When Nerds Attack - Ensnared: The Murder of Kelly Bullwinkle

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Hello, campers, Grab your marshmallows and gather around the true
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crime campfire. Wear your camp counselors. I'm Katie and I'm Whitney,
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and we're here to tell you a true story that
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is way stranger than fiction. Or roasting murderers and marshmallows
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around the true crime campfire.
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There's a meme I've seen a few times. It says
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you never know how toxic something is until you breathe
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fresher air. I think it's about how easy it is
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to get so completely wrapped up in a relationship or
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a group dynamic, or a way of thinking that you
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stop seeing it for what it is. You become less
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and less tuned in to what's normal. This happens a
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lot when you get two close friends together, two people
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who might not be likely to do any damage if
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left to themselves, but who become like fire and gunpowder together,
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pushing each other further and further, with neither one willing
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to flinch. This can get even scarier when the two
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friends in question are teenagers with huge Eva goes in
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a fascination with all things dark and gloomy. This is
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your latest when nerds attack ensnared the murder of Kelly Bullwinkle,
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So campers for this one. We're in Redlands, California, October fourth,
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two thousand and three. It was just after noon when
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two men came bursting into the police station. They'd been
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playing paintball over near the Santi Mateo Creek, they said,
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and they were pretty sure they'd found a body. They
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hadn't seen it up super close. It was down an
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embankment and partially covered by an old, abandoned couch. Now,
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police never really know about a thing like this until
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they see it for themselves. People's imaginations can run away
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with them. It was possible the men had just seen
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a weirdly shaped bundle of clothes or something. One time,
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a woman had called nine one one in a panic
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about a dying bear in her front eard, and it
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turned out to be a faux bear skin rug somebody
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had thrown out, and not even a very convincing one, apparently.
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So until you get there and see for yourself, you
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can't really be sure what you're gonna find. But when
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investigators arrived at the foot of that embankment, they quickly
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realized this was all too real. The woman had been
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buried in a shallow grave and covered with a beat
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up orange sofa. She was clothed levi's and a camo
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jacket and a blue tank top. She had a little
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bag of weed tucked into her waistband. The body looked
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like it had been there for a few weeks at least.
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Littered around the body were a bunch of random things,
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some cassette tape, some broken cell phone gloves, the handle
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of a shovel, and most disturbing, the casing from a
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twenty five caliber bullet. It was a teenage girl, the
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medical examiner soon found, and she'd been shot twice. One
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of the shots was just a grazing wound, the kind
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of thing that would have needed a bandage but didn't
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do any serial damage. But the other shot was deadly
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close range, right to the back of the head. It
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didn't take long for investigators to make an id. They'd
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been working a missing person's case for three weeks now,
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the disappearance of eighteen year old college student Kelly Bullwinkle.
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Kelly had gone missing on September thirteenth after wrapping up
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a shift at Baker's Burgher's and as the days went
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by without answers, her friends and family had taken to
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the TV news to ask the public for info. Kelly's mom, Diana,
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thought her daughter must have been abducted. Through the cameras.
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She spoke directly to the person whoever it was that
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had taken Kelly from her. Please send her home, she said,
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don't hurt her. She's a great kid. There had been
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searches where Kelly's loved ones joined dozens of volunteers to
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comb the area around a mall where Kelly's car had
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been found, but there hadn't been many leads until now.
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The news of Kelly's murder hit the town like a meteor.
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Kelly had been a light in a lot of people's lives,
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and it was hard to accept that that light had
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gone out. Kelly was one of those kids who really
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did march to the beat of her own drummer. A
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lot of kids liked to sink there that way, like, ew,
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I'm not one of the cheerleaders. I wear black lipstick.
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But they're really just conforming to a different esthetic. Line
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up a bunch of high school goss kids and tell
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me they don't look like they're in uniform, right. But
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Kelly Bullwinkle had her own style. She liked to jerry
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rig her own clothes. She'd make a skirt out of
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bits and pieces of other clothes, for example, or combine
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two jackets into one with safety pins. She dyed her
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hair bright red to match her favorite singer, Tory Amos.
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I was obsessed with Tory Amos in high school, so
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that little detail really tugged at my heart when I
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was researching this case. Kelly's way of sort of frankensteining
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clothes together to make something unique may have had something
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to do with the way she grew up. Her mom
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was in the Coastguard, so they'd moved around a lot
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over the years, meaning Kelly had to change schools a lot.
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Just when she'd start to vibe with a new set
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of friends, it would be time to move on again,
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and for a while it would just be Kelly, her mom,
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their cats and dog, and Kelly's show horse banner. That
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shit's hard on a kid, but Kelly learned how to
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make it work, how to quilt a life together out
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of bits and pieces. She could roll with the punches,
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jump into a new school with both feet, and find
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her people fast. She was sparkly, outgoing, fun to be around.
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People were drawn to her. But underneath the fun, quirky
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exterior was a girl who was a little insecure and
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had a deep need to be accepted and loved. She
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could be a little more naive than most, maybe because
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she'd never been around any friend long enough for them
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to disappoint her or betray her trust.
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But the friends she'd made in Redlands over the past
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couple years were a pretty tight little family. She'd found
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people who really loved her there, admired her growing writing talent,
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showed interest in her eye ideas, appreciated her fizzy personality.
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Redlands is a small town, and at least in the
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early odds, it had a very Norman Rockwell vibe, So
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Kelly and her friends had an experience that a lot
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of us weird folks have in high school, standing out
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in ways that make people nervous or uncomfortable.
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Yeah, I grew up in a small town and I
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remember what that was like. And as much as you're
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feeling kind of exhilarated to start breaking out of the
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norm and exploring your own identity, it's still a little
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bit destabilizing to feel like everybody's staring at you and
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making assumptions about you.
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Right. So when you meet friends who are all so
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different in the same way you are, those friendships can
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be really intense, even more than teenage friendships usually are
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you finally feel like you belong somewhere, you sort of
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cling to each other. It didn't take long for the
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weird kids at Redlands East Valley High to notice Kelly Bullwinkle,
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and they bonded with her pretty much immediately. Her friend
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Rachel later told Ellie Weekly that she and Kelly used
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to hide under their desks in class just to mess
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with the army kids. Sounds fun, kind of like a
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teenage version of a blanket for hell Yeah. Before long,
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this little circle of friends became Kelly's universe, and although
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she got close to several other girls, the one she
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had the closest connection with was Kinsey Nordman. Kinsey was
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pretty much the undisputed queen of the weird kids. She
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was passionate about her beliefs. She was the one who
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started a chapter of p Flag Parents, Families and Friends
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of Lesbians and Gays at the high school, and she
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didn't back down even when a group of kids staged
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a protest against it. Very cool, yeah, even more so
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in two thousand and two than it would be now,
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I think, oh definitely.
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Yeah.
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Another time, Kinsey decided the school cafeteria shouldn't be serving meat.
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Meat was murder and they were condoning it with every
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hot dog they dished up. So she got a bunch
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of like minded kids together and coordinated a hunger strike
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at school.
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Hey boy, Okay, I'm all for p Flag, but quite
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a bit less stoked about the hunger strike. Just seems
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like a bad look for a bunch of privileged kids
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who don't have to worry about where lunch is coming from, right,
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I mean, it's great to be vegetarian, Kinzy, Honey. I've
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been vegetarian for years at a time. I'm not now,
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but I've done it off and on my entire life.
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I am all for being vegetarian, but you don't get
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to demand that everybody else is.
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I'm sure some people found her insufferable. I mean I do,
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but a lot of kids admired her for standing up
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for what she believed in. For the record, I find
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her insufferable for the vegetarian thing, not the p Flag thing.
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Of course, like a hunger strike for.
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Very much, isn't it?
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Like, let's all let's all relax a little bit settled down.
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Her one time girlfriend and classmate, Heather Hill told Ellie Weekly,
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Kinsey was the leader. She always had something interesting to say.
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People looked up to her and respected her. Kinsey was
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her parents golden girl. They'd adopted her when she was
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four days old and she was their only child. Every
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year they celebrated her Gotcha Day in addition to her birthday,
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and they let her know she was adopted when she
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was still really young. They wanted her to know she
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was special. They'd chosen her, and they were devoted parents.
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Kinsey had pretty much anything and everything she could want,
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and for the most part, she was really close with
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her mom and dad.
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It wasn't all peaches and cream and Kinsey's family, though
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they'd had a few rocky patches over the years. When
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Kinsey was a sophomore, she was dating this senior guy
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named Marco, and Marco was bad news. Years later, dude
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ended up in jail for statutory rape. That kind of
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bad news, and one night Kinsey's mom, Deborah, picked up
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the phone to make a call and realized Kinsey was
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on the phone with Marco. Instead of hanging up the phone,
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Deborah decided to give in to the motherly urge to
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be nosy and listen in on the call. She very
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quickly wished she hadn't. Hey, wouldn't it be cool if
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your mom got cancer? Marco said, then we could take
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away her medication and she could die.
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Oh my god, yeah, so.
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Her jaw probably on the floor. Deborah waited for her
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daughter to tell Marco to go straight to hell on
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the big slide, but instead Kenzie said, yeah, that would
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be cool, And it got worse as Marco went on,
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wouldn't it be cool if your dad killed himself? He said, yeah,
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said Kenzi. Deborah slowly hung up the phone, probably feeling
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like she'd been kicked in the stomach. That had to
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have been an awkward family dinner that night. But of course,
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Kensey was a sophomore in high school at the time
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dating an older bad boy type, so it would probably
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be pretty tempting for her to play along with whatever
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Marco said just to seem cool. And this was definitely
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a wrong note in Kenzy's otherwise cool personality. It wasn't
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just that she fought for social justice, she was also
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the kind of person who would go out of her
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way to befriend people who didn't fit in with the crowd.
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She cared her friend, Cheryl later told Investigation Discovery she
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wanted to make a difference. She met new girl Kelly
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Bullwinkle at the p Flag table in the school lobby,
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and she liked her right away. Kelly had a big personality,
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and she was pretty much an open book to her friends.
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If she was in a bad mood, she'd come to
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school in all black. If she was happy, she'd be
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in rainbow colors and makeup. Kelly was by like Kinzy,
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so they bonded over that, and over their taste and
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clothes and music, their mutual writing talent and general creativity,
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their love of horseback riding and books. That first day,
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Kinsey brought Kelly to sit with the other p Flag
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kids at lunch, and everybody thought she was great, open
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and warm and definitely not boring like most of the
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losers at their school. Before long, Kelly considered Kenzie her
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best friend, and wherever you found Kinsey, you were also
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gonna find the guy she considered her number one bestie
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and soulmate, the guy who would soon become the center
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of Kelly's world. Damian Guerrero. Yeah, Damien, I know, if
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it was a movie, you'd say it was too on
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the nose, Like his creepy little namesake in the movie
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The Omen, and like many a dork we've covered on
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this show before him, Damien very much presented himself as
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one of the children of the night. Every single high
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school has some version of this kid, the goth slash
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punk slash emo guy with the brooding eyes and the
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notebook full of terrible poetry, and the clothes, cigarettes and
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the floppy hair probably a little bit of music snobbery
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thrown in there, lots of cynical commentary about a world
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that he's barely dipped his big toe into. Yet if
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he ever cracks a smile, it'll be all ry and sarcastic.
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One.
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We all know this guy, and we all know that,
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especially if he's easy on the eyes like Damien was,
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he tends to be catnip to a certain type of
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high school girl. And I was that type of high
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school girl. So don't come at me for saying that
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little seventeen year old Whitney would have been all over him,
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one hundred percent certain. So what else can I tell
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you about Damien? He liked to wear white contacts like
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Marilyn Manson O spooky. He collected knives and swords, of
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course he did. His favorite movie was Natural Born Killers,
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because of course it was. He was also a big
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Tarantino fan. Music Wise, he liked nine inch nails and tool.
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He was a tool. For his yearbook quote one year
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in high school, he quoted Samuel Johnson, he who makes
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a beast of himself loses the pain of being a man,
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and as so many world weary teenagers do. He lived
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a comfortable life with his mom and stepdad in a
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well to do area of town, and unsurprisingly, Damien was
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the undisputed king of the alternative slash goth kids in Redlands.
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Yeah, I can see why. He's almost got the whole
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bingo card filled out. The only thing he's missing is
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an obsession with vampires and blood letting. And you know,
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I don't know that he wasn't in the Vampires. I
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just don't know that he was. I wouldn't be surprised
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if he took an occasional nip from one of his
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little hangers on, just like our boy Rod Farrell.
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I feel like he must have at least tried it.
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You know, yeah, or at least like said he did.
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I think he probably carry like some knives. I mean
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he had to look at him. He's got he's got
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he listen. I mean, Trent Resnor's right there. Bless him.
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I love nine inch Nails. I hate to be in
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the be in the vicinity. But god, well that's.
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What always galls me about these people because they remind
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me so much of myself in school.
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Like I would have totally.
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Hung out with these kids, you know, and now I
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just realized, like, oh you little doorklings.
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But the but the thing is like when I was
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into like nine inch Nails, I wasn't like, you know,
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I think Trent Reznor's being very serious right now with
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these songs.
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Well, and you probably didn't use lyrics as your book.
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Quoting, no no. I just I just feel like there
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are people that are like appreciating the artistry, and there
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are people that are like this is real life and
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I'm gonna make this my entire personality, right and that
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are like I need to buy weapons right now and
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figure out how to use them. Like there's there's a
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there's a line. It's a thin line, but there's a line,
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you know, I.
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Feel like it's a thick line to be vers. I
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feel like it's a bright neon.
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And this is this is why, Like every time, every
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time something happens, they're like, did video games do this? No?
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I know, did did Ramstein make fucking you know the
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Columbine Killers do this? No, there's something wrong in their brains.
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They don't understand metaphors. Okay, so Damien definitely had those
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teenage cult leader vibes. He knew how to hold yeah,
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he knew how to hold back just enough to stay
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dark and mysterious. And the goth kids all fluttered around
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him like moths around a light bulb, especially the girls.
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Kinsey loved Natural Born Killers just as much as Damien did.
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For Christmas, she gave him a replica of the snake
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Rings Spree Killers Mickey and Mallory Knox wore in the movie,
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one for herself too, so they'd match. And she named
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her pets a parrot in a rabbit Mickey and Mallory.
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Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, little guys.
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You deserve so much better than that. What a dork.
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The real question, The real question is is if she
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liked Natural Born Killers before or after she knew. Yes,
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Damien did, and I can promise you. I promise you.
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She did not. I promise you because this is not
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a good movie. It's just not. We can argue about
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it in the comments campers, but it's not a good movie.
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For her yearbook quote one year, she picked the lyrics
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from the nine inch nail song the Becoming the me
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that you know he had some second thoughts. He's covered
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with scabs, he's broken and sore, the me you know,
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he doesn't come around much. That part of me isn't
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here anymore.
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You know, this bitch reminds me of especially like you're
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saying that, you bet she didn't like that movie before
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she met Damian. Like, I think you're totally right, and
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I just realized who she reminds me of. Freakin' Laura Hall.
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Remember her from the Colton Potoniac case, the guy we
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called the gosh Father. Laura followed her bad boy crushed
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Colton around like a smitten little puppy while he treated
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her like a smear of dead cockroach guts on the
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bottom of his shoe and basically used her as a
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sex doll slash errant girl.
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You are so right.
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Yeah.
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Kinsey swore up and down she was not in love
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with Damien, that they were just best friends and soulmates.
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And I mean again, I guess we have no way
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of knowing for sure. They were both dating other people
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during all this, several other people in Kenzy's case. But
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I gotta say, y'all, I'm calling bullshit on that.
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Oh me too. I absolutely think she was in love
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with him, or at the very least really possessive of him.
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Damien had a big influence on Kensey since they started
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hanging out. When they graduated in two thousand and two,
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the kids voted Kinsey most changed. One of her classmates
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later said she went from a surfer chick to a goth.
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She wore conga shells and was going out with a
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guy in track a few months later. She looked like
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something out of the crow. I love that comment.
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That is such a like a subtle little burn. I
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just love it.
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They don't do superlatives anymore, and I can see why,
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because that is not a very nice thing to say.
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Most changed is so mean. She also liked to mess
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with people, like if she knew you were scheved out
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by bugs, she shoved one in your face and laugh.
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Oh hell, she liked playing pranks to some of her friends.
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It seemed like she craved attention and she didn't really
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give a shit if it was good attention or bad.
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If the spotlight wasn't on her, she'd always do something
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to swing it back her way. And once she started
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hang out with Damien, her rebellious streak ramped up. She
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started fighting with her parents a lot. Sometimes it seemed
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like she and Damien were competing to see who was
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the edgiest edge lord in all of edge Selvania and
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Kinsey seemed proud of the fact that Damien saw her
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as one of the guys.
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Oh pick me, pick me, careful, babe, you're gonna pull something.
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Reach him for that male validation.
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They spent a lot of time together, despite Damien having
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a girlfriend, Elidi. Supposedly, Elidie didn't care that her boyfriend
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was spending a metric shit ton of time with another girl,
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a girl that Damien had described as his hetero lifemate.
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Whatever the hell that means.
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Oh, wouldn't ELDI be your hetero lifemate? Since yeah, you're
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in a hetero presenting relationship. It's so weird. I don't know.
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I don't miss two thousand and two.
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I puzzled over that for like ten minutes. I kept thinking,
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did I.
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Did I read that one?
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No, Federal life, mate, I do not understand. What the
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hell are you talking about? Hey? Anyway, Once new girl
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Kelly Bullwinkle started hanging around with Kinzie and the rest
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of the Goth kids, it was pretty much inevitable that
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she'd get close to Damien too. Before long they were
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the three little Goth Musketeers. It was kind of a chain.
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Kinsey idolized Damien and Kelly idolized Kinzie, or at least
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she respected her a lot and saw her as a
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role model. Kensy and Damien were older than Kelly, by
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the way. Kinsey was two years older and Damien was
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one year older. But they were a tight little unit
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for a while, the three of them. They played around
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in the cemetery, which I think is actually required by
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law for kids with piercings who like Marilyn Manson and
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whose wardrobes consist of at least seventy percent black check
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your city ordinances, but I'm pretty sure that's a law.
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They went for nature walks in the woods. They watched
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movies like Reservoir Dogs and pulp fiction, and of course
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their favorite natural Born Killers. They hung out at the
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coffee shop and after a while something started sparking between
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Damien and Kelly. This was messy. Damien's girlfriend, Elidy was
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one of the Goth friend group. She was somebody Kelly
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thought of as a friend, but Damien was just too
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tempting to resist. Their classmate. Kirsten later told Investigation Discovery
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Damien was kind of a spider laying in wait, looking
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for a specific type of mule. Kelly knew it was
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a dumb idea to get involved with him. She knew
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it might throw a gigantic wrench into the well oiled
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machinery of their friend group, and she knew it would
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probably piss Kenzie off. But she just couldn't resist Damien.
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So behind Eledy's back, Kelly and the dark lord of
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the lunch room started a torrid affair. Actually, some sources
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say Kelly thought Damien and Eldi were on a break
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when it started, so as possible she didn't know he
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was cheating at first, but either way, this was when
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the tide started to turn for the Goth Musketeers. Kinsey
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didn't approve of what Kelly and Damien were doing behind
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Elledy's back. None of the friends did, and Damien, of
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course was the worst. Instead of being honest with Eldy,
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Damien took the chicken shit option, fooling around with Kelly
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behind her back, whispering all kinds of sweet little nothings
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in both girls ears when they were alone, and then
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treating Kelly like garbage whenever they were all hanging out together.
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I guess he thought if he made fun of Kelly
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all the time, it would help hide their little affair
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from his real girlfriend, which I don't think would work,
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because if I were Eledi, I'd be more suspicious for
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him to start constantly teasing this other girl. Why are
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you suddenly picking on this girl? I would totally suspect something.
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But anyway, I think that's what he thought. And what
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made this bullying even worse was that Kinsey started joining in. Kinsey,
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who was supposed to be Kelly's best friend in the world,
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and at first it wasn't too bad. They just tease
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her little barbs that made Kelly feel small, but still
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gave Kenzy and Damien plausible deniability if she called him out.
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On it. For Kelly, it must have been such a
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mind fuck, because when they were alone, Damien could be
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so loving and kind. He'd confide in her, tell her
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she was beautiful. But then they'd get back around their
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friends and he'd turn into a totally different person. Teenage
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infatuation can be pretty intense, and soon Kelly was borderline
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obsessed with Damien. Not all of her friends knew, at
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least not at first. Kelly knew. Most of her friends
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weren't fans of Damien. They thought he was a sarcastic
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asshole whose ego was way too big for him, and
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they'd seen him be intentionally cruel to people. Kelly was
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so sweet it seemed like a bad match to them.
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The actual relationship between Kelly and Damien only lasted a
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few months. Eventually, Damien told her he wanted to focus
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on Eledy. Kelly wasn't ready to let go. Her friend
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Rachel's take was that Kelly had kind of an obsessive personality.
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When she was into something, she gave it her full attention.
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She'd get into a movie or a TV show and
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want to collect all the merch she could get her
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hands on.
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That kind of thing and She brought that same kind
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of energy to her infatuation with Damien, calling and emailing
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and taking every chance to spend time with him. Damien
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treated her like an annoying little mosquito a lot of
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the time, but the friend group still hanging out together.
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The relationship between Kelly, Kinsey and Damien was getting poisonous
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and confusing. When Damien was around, Kinsey would join in
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on the bullying, but in private, she still acted like
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Kelly's bestie, as all goth kids are contractually obligated to do.
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The Redlands crew like to hang out at Denny's at
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all hours. Yep yeah, And at one point that spring,
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a huge screaming fight broke out between Kelly and Eldy.
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Damien dragged Kelly outside and pretty much Redder to filth. Look,
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I'm back with Eldie. It's over. Do not fuck this
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up for me. Kelly ended up leaving upset. For Kelly's
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eighteenth birthday, she and her friend Amy put together a
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party with a fun kid's birthday party theme. Paper hats,
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party games, cake, and ice cream. Sounds like an absolute blasphemy,
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but apparently not to Kinsey and Damien, who showed up
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and stood together in one corner of the room the
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whole time, rolling their eyes and.
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Whispering Happy birthday, Kelly.
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Right, what fucking loser is too cool to enjoy a
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birthday party? Good job, guys. It's like there's like teenagers
476
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:17.160
that just like they're too cool to just enjoy basic things,
477
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:21.000
Like they're just too cool to enjoy ice cream. That's
478
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:22.000
literally what it comes down to.
479
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:24.799
Definitely, like some part of their brain is like, get
480
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:26.519
some ice cream. What are you doing?
481
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.119
Like the ice cream? The ice cream will clash with
482
00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:32.920
my Jenco pants.
483
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:37.559
Ice cream is ice cream is a tool of the bourgeoisie.
484
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:43.640
It's like, man, just has some ice cream. There's no
485
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:47.359
ethical consumption under capitalism. Just get some fucking just get
486
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:48.240
some fucking cake.
487
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:48.519
Man.
488
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.720
It's fine, play some pin the tail on the donkey.
489
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:58.039
It's gonna be okay. And shortly before Kelly's graduation in
490
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:01.839
two thousand and three, things got tense. Kinsey and Damien
491
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:05.160
had graduated the year before and were now in community college,
492
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:08.880
but they both went to prom anyway, Damien with Eliti
493
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.599
and Kinsy with Kelly. Eldi was pissed at Kelly and Kinsey,
494
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:15.440
allegedly because the two girls were trying to talk Damien
495
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:19.279
into using some cocaine with them, something they'd allegedly been
496
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.680
getting more and more into lately, and she confronted Kelly,
497
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.960
calling her a poser and making fun of her for
498
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:27.799
copying her style getting her clothes at hot topic like
499
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:31.119
Eliti always had. Kelly called Eliti a bitch.
500
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:35.279
Damn in a crowd like that, poser is freaking nuclear.
501
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:37.160
That's about as bad a burn as you can get.
502
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:38.480
At least it wasn't my day.
503
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.200
Yeah, no, it's mine too. I remember that when you're
504
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.119
a sixteen year old goth, someone calling you your commitment
505
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:46.920
into question feels like the world ending, and I'm like,
506
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:49.880
I have a job, Please leave me alone and put
507
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:55.799
the fries in the bag. Also, like Kelly is like
508
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:58.519
the furthest thing from a poser, she was making her clothes.
509
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.200
Yeah, she was early the one among them who was
510
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:04.359
the most original and the most truly herself. I think, yeah,
511
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:05.519
that's the ironic part.
512
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:11.119
Yeah. But despite all this barely concealed cruelty from Damien
513
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:13.680
and Kinsey, Kelly just couldn't bear to give up her
514
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:16.880
connection to either of them. She kept coming around, and
515
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:20.720
I think that made little Timu, Bonnie and Clyde feel bolder.
516
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:24.720
They could put her through pretty much anything and get
517
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.920
away with it. Ooh fun, Let's see how far we
518
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.759
can push her. This is even more bizarre when you
519
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.519
consider that at some point in the midst of all this,
520
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:39.240
Damien and Kelly started hooking up again, I assume because
521
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:44.440
he initiated it. Yeah, and interestingly he kept at a
522
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:50.440
secret from everybody, including had her life mate Kinsey. Our
523
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:54.799
boy was apparently a very smooth liar, but despite the
524
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:57.240
fact that he was dating Kelly again, Damien didn't let
525
00:29:57.319 --> 00:29:59.720
up on the bullying when the friends were all out together.
526
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.960
It was worse when Kenzie was there. They seemed to
527
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:09.079
bring out the meanness in each other. One evening, Damien, Kinsey, Kelly,
528
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.400
and their friend Amy were in Damien's car heading for
529
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:15.680
the movies when the bullying started again. They were making
530
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:17.880
fun of Kelly for the movie she wanted to see,
531
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:21.680
and then they took it to the next level. Kinsey
532
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.039
and Damien started grabbing Kelly's hands and bending her fingers
533
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.359
back as if trying to break them. Kelly yelled out
534
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:30.160
in pain, but it didn't stop them.
535
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.759
Finally, Damien stopped the car, and he and Kenzy kicked
536
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.160
Kelly and Amy out on the sidewalk and just left
537
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:41.039
them there, and Amy was just gobsmacked. She looked at
538
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:43.920
Kelly and said, that is it. I can't do this anymore.
539
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:46.920
I can't spend any more time with these two, and
540
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:49.839
Kelly just kind of looked sad and apologetic. She told
541
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:52.319
Amy she knew it was getting bad, but she felt
542
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:54.799
like she had to be there, had to keep holding on,
543
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.440
And I mean, like a lot of people in toxic relationships,
544
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:01.400
Kelly was weighing the good in the bad. They weren't
545
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:03.640
always like this. Sometimes they still had a lot of
546
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.720
fun together. When they were alone, Damien told her he
547
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:09.640
wanted to be with her, and the bottom line was
548
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.759
she was still in love with them. But things started
549
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.440
to go south again as Damien and Kinsey egged each
550
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.200
other on to increasing levels of assholary whenever Kelly was around.
551
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.599
That finger bending incident was the beginning of the end
552
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.880
for Kelly. She was getting fed up with Damien's jeckal
553
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:29.359
and hide bullshit, and she finally decided to do something
554
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.720
about it, as most kids did. In two thousand and three,
555
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.400
the friends spent a lot of time chatting online through
556
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:41.359
AOL chat remember aw nostalgia. One of Damien's AOL screen
557
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:43.200
names was necromaniac.
558
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:48.079
By the way, a fucking course, it was Dorcass will
559
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:48.440
Lose her.
560
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:52.319
Kelly's was stage Pony, which I think is really pretty.
561
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.920
And in August two thousand and three, Kelly took the
562
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.839
gloves off. She logged into her AOL instant messager and
563
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:06.039
told Eldy about her and Damien in specific detail. I
564
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:10.160
think Elidy probably suspected before this, but now Kelly just
565
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:14.759
came out and told her over AOL instant message. I
566
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.519
know you like Damien, Elidi wrote, I know you want
567
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.160
us to break up, but it's not gonna happen. This
568
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.519
stops now. I'd hate to see anything happen to you.
569
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.559
Bye bye. Whoof sounds like a threat to me, right,
570
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.640
But when Kelly told Damien about it, he took Ellidy's side.
571
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:33.759
You need to stop being in love with me for
572
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:38.480
the good of everyone, wrote the necromaniac, and that was it.
573
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.039
Damien broke it off with Kelly for good.
574
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:42.960
He was furious at her.
575
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:47.599
Kelly's friend Amy told La Weekly she was upset, but
576
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:50.839
after a while she was saying who cares about Damien.
577
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.079
He didn't treat her well, and that's one of the
578
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:57.599
most heart wrenching things to me about this case. Kelly
579
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.000
was almost out. She just to make a new life
580
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:05.039
for herself without Damien and Kenzie. She'd learned something from
581
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:07.640
the past year or so, and she'd found the strength
582
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.200
within herself to stand up to her bullies and say
583
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.799
this is toxic. I'm done with this, which takes a
584
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:16.160
lot of balls. I mean, it really does. She wanted
585
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:18.759
to concentrate on college, which she was planning on starting
586
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:20.720
in the fall, and she wanted to focus on her
587
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.599
real friends, but Kenzy and Damien weren't gonna let her
588
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:28.240
get away. Mickey and Mallory had come to a decision.
589
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:32.880
Kelly had forgotten her place in their pecking order. She'd
590
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:36.039
had the nerve to tell on Damien, how dare she
591
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:42.119
Kelly was gonna die? Kinsey and Damien planned the murder
592
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:46.039
for several days. They found an isolated orange grove that
593
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.519
they figured would be the perfect place for it, and
594
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:51.599
they spent a couple hours pre digging a shallow grave
595
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:56.519
just deal with the creepiness of that, and Damien already
596
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.359
had a gun a present from his brother. It was
597
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.440
a twenty five caliber Raven Arms Model P twenty five.
598
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:05.480
They knew where they were going to kill Kelly, and
599
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.320
they knew how. Now it was time to set their
600
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.800
plan in motion. Kenzy messaged Kelly like, Hey, I feel
601
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.320
really bad about the way things have been between us lately.
602
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.360
Can we go for a hike and talk about it?
603
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.679
And you know, Kelly still cared about Kenzie. They'd been
604
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.960
best friends until all the Damien stuff started, so maybe
605
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:29.960
a little bit reluctantly she said sure. They set a
606
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:33.519
date and time, September thirteenth, and agreed to meet up
607
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:37.199
at the Orange Grove. When the day came, Kelly pulled
608
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.519
up in her little Mazda and greeted Kenzie as she
609
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:42.400
got out of the car. I imagine she was smiling
610
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:44.719
at her friend, happy to be getting together to talk
611
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:49.000
things out, But then she heard another car approaching. She
612
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.800
turned around to see Damien driving up. Damien was not
613
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:56.199
supposed to be there. Did her heart drop when she
614
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.480
saw him? Was she scared right away? Or did she hope?
615
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.079
All three of us them we're going to reconcile. We
616
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:02.960
have no way to know.
617
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.639
What we know is that Damien fired first, grazing the
618
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:10.519
side of Kelly's head and sending her falling to the ground,
619
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:15.639
and the killing shot that was Kinsey's doing. She took
620
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.960
the gun from Damien, walked up to her former best friend,
621
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:24.639
and fired a single fatal shot. Then she and Damien
622
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:28.400
dragged Kelly into the shallow grave they'd already dug days earlier.
623
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.679
They covered her as best they could with dirt and leaves,
624
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:34.880
then pulled in an old, abandoned couch on top of
625
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.960
the makeshift grave. They dumped Kelly's car off at the mall,
626
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.280
and then they went out to dinner in a movie.
627
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.199
Jesus, Mrri, just imagine being hungry after that and like
628
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.360
wanting to go see a show. I just can't even
629
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:51.159
imagine how scared Kelly was and how sick she felt
630
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.039
that the weight of that betrayal is just unimaginable.
631
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.000
These aren't people fit for society. They killed a girl
632
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:58.360
over MySpace to here drama.
633
00:35:58.800 --> 00:35:59.639
Yeah, absolutely.
634
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.679
When Kelly didn't show up for two shifts in a
635
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.840
row at work, and when her friend Amy went to
636
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:06.639
her house to try and find her and found the
637
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:10.159
pets all alone, and then cared for everybody knew something
638
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.480
was badly wrong. Kelly wasn't the tight to do a
639
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:15.559
no call, no show at work, and she would never
640
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.599
leave her animals with no food or water. Her mom, Diana,
641
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:21.880
was out with a coastguard at the time, but she
642
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.199
came rushing back as soon as she'd learned that her
643
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:28.000
daughter was missing, and she was missing for three weeks,
644
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.079
during which time people posted missing posters all over town,
645
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.360
gave interviews to the TV news stations, cried and prayed
646
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:40.599
and worried Diana especially, and all the while, Kinsey stuck
647
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:44.480
close to Kelly's mom, consoling her, helping her put up
648
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.519
the flyers, telling her it was going to be okay.
649
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:52.320
I hate this girl so much. She also painted some
650
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.280
Tory Amos lyrics on poster board and helped set up
651
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.119
a memorial at the Orange Grove where they killed Kelly
652
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:00.400
after her body was found in Everyone but he knew
653
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:01.239
it was a homicide.
654
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:05.440
But as billy badasses Damien and Kinsey thought they were,
655
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.519
they did not handle being murderers very well. The stress
656
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.639
was getting to both of them. At one point, Damien
657
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.239
got into a big argument with Led at her house,
658
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.920
and he flipped out right in front of her mom
659
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.000
sobbing and screaming and punching their garage door.
660
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.039
Oh you all right there, buddy, could possibly be the matter.
661
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:28.840
And I know this is going to shock you because
662
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.280
we thought their soul materie would be eternal. But Damien
663
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:35.480
Kinsey were starting to get on each other's herves. Damien
664
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.920
Damien seemed to be avoiding Kinsey, and Kinsey was pissed
665
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.519
about it. She was having noticeable mood swings in front
666
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.320
of her friends. As you might imagine, it didn't take
667
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.239
long for police to zero in on led Kinsey and
668
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:54.199
Damien as possible suspects and the murder. All their friends
669
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.320
had plenty to tell the cops about the drama that
670
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:58.559
had been unfolding between them for the past.
671
00:37:58.400 --> 00:37:58.840
Year or so.
672
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.480
They they were able to rule Eledy out pretty quickly,
673
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:07.159
and that just left the other two. They found out
674
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.679
that Kenzy and Damien had been together on the day
675
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:13.039
of the murder. This raised their eyebrows, and they rose
676
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:15.400
even higher when they took a look at their instant
677
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:19.400
messages and realized that Kelly and Kinsey had plans to
678
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.280
meet up that evening for a hike guess where.
679
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:25.960
So they hauled KINSI in for questioning, and I know
680
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:28.079
you're going to be stunned to hear this from such
681
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.519
a cool criminal mastermind. Kenzy cracked like an egg at
682
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:34.599
the first sign of pressure. We did it, she said,
683
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.639
But it was an accident. It was just supposed to
684
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:38.639
be a practical joke. We were just going to take
685
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:42.280
out the gun and scare her. But then Damien accidentally
686
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:44.639
shot her and she was writhing around in pain, and
687
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:48.360
I just shot her to put her out of her misery. Now,
688
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:51.800
obviously the detectives did not buy this bullshit. Why would
689
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.599
you predig a grave just to play a practical joke?
690
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:57.559
In that a bit much? And if you just accidentally
691
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.400
shot one of your best friends, wouldn't you like nine
692
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:03.679
one one or something. Wouldn't you at least be too
693
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.039
upset to go straight to the mall for a snack.
694
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:11.000
Now that they had a confession sort of, they needed
695
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:13.679
to go lean on Damien too, And you will love this.
696
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.039
When they knocked on his parents' door to question him
697
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:19.119
and told him Kenzie had just confessed, he said, I
698
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:21.639
do not want to answer any questions, and I am
699
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.880
going to get up and walk into the house and
700
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:29.039
take a nap like a little Roman emperor waving them away.
701
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:34.519
Good luck with that, Bubba. They arrested him a few
702
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.880
days later at the movies. He was watching Matrix Revolutions.
703
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:43.280
I know it's so appropriate, isn't it. I'm sure he
704
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:48.239
thinks he's the one as well, just like Neo. Kinzi
705
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.360
went on trial in two thousand and five, and the
706
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:52.559
jury didn't buy her it was supposed to be a
707
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.800
joke defense. She was convicted of first degree murder and
708
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:59.760
sentenced to forty five years to life in prison, with
709
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:03.199
no no consideration for parole until she'd served forty four
710
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:07.679
of those years. At her sentencing, Kinsey reiterated her claim
711
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:11.360
that the murder was just an accident, a prank on sideways,
712
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:14.320
and said she'd never meant to hurt Kelly. She called
713
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:20.960
the murder a bad decision. Yeah. Damien unfortunately got much luckier,
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with his first jury deadlocking on the first degree murder charge.
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The deadlock was eleven to one in favor of conviction,
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which just ah kills me and I can't imagine how
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it deadlocked in the first place. Like, in addition to
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everything else, they found bullet casings in Damien's backyard where
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he liked to do target practice that perfectly matched the
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casings at the crime scene. I mean, what do you want?
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That is nice heart evidence? But whatever. To avoid a retrial,
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Damien took a plea deal second degree murder in exchange
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for a sentence of fifteen to life, not even close
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to enough, in my opinion. I can imagine that really
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hurt Kelly's loved ones, as if they hadn't been hurt
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enough already. This case is a little more complicated than
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it's been made out to be. I think the prevailing
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theory is that Kenzy and Damien killed Kelly because she
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told Eldi her boyfriend was cheating on her. And I'm
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sure that's partly true, but I feel equally sure that
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this murder wasn't just about that. I think these two
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had been pushing each other's limits for months now, enjoying
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taking their abuse of Kelly to the next level, and
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the next level and the next. I think this was
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part revenge, part thrill kill, and for Kenzy, I think
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killing Kelly was a way of cementing her bond with
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soulmate Damien. Forever Eldi and Kelly might get to sleep
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with them, but now she'd have this huge secret connection
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with them for the rest of their lives. Mickey and
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Mallory Knox soul mates. Girl, Please, what soul you talking about?
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I also think she was jealous of Kelly, jealous that
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she had a secret with Damien, Like, how dare he
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keep a secret like this from her? They were supposed
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to be best friends. One of Kelly's friends, Rachel Schneider,
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has been on a couple of TV shows about the case.
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On one, she said, I think this story is about
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kids who don't know how to handle their emotions and
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their circumstances and get carried away in some sort of
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fantasy world. From the outside, it was really easy to
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see that there was something not completely right, But from
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the inside it was hard to see that there was
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something off about it, which is really a great way
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to describe an abusive relationship. Rachel got a tattoo to
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memorialize her friends so she would never forget Kelly or
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the lessons her murder has to teach us. And one
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final ps to this story. Damian Guerrero was released from
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prison on parole in twenty twenty three, much to the
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dismay of the prosecutors and to Kelly's friends and family.
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They argued that he'd never taken real responsibility for the murder,
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instead trying to blame the goth scene, violent movies, lack
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of parental attention, pretty much anything but Damien. And when
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I searched his name to see if there was any
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info on what he's up to now, I found a
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TikTok from a user who calls herself Latin Barb. Her
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TikTok account is dedicated to warning people about scary people
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on dating apps, like if a bunch of women have
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a scary experience with the same guy, she'll tell you
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about him and advise you to keep away from him.
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And guess who recently popped up in one of her tiktoks. Yeah,
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mister Damian Guerrero, still looking irritatingly handsome and using an alias,
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presumably to prevent women from looking him up and finding
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out he's a frickin murderer. So be careful out there, ladies,
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and look, if you have friends like Kenzy and Damien,
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especially if you're a teenager and you have friends like this,
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the problem is not you, okay, and you're not going
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to get any metals for putting up with their toxic bullshit.
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Bullying is a tactic of small, angry little minds. Be
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better than that. You are better than that, So get
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the hell out of their baby go live your best life.
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