Where the Map Goes Quiet - Meeting Places for Otherworldly Beings

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Where they work or whatever.
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The craft generates its own gravitational field and you don't
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the Criminal Center releases.
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good evening, and welcome to Troubled Minds Radio. I'm your host,
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Michael Strange. We're streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch, and kick.
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and of course eighty eight point four FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight,
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we're taking your calls as we go to the forgotten
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places of the ancient past. Now, you look at the
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wilderness of the world, and we've talked about this quite
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often in many different capacities. There's a lot it's still
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hidden out there. A lot of the things we know
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and the archaeological and the anthropological records are incomplete. Is
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not an adequate way to put it. It's really just
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we are scratching the surface of what we know when
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it comes to where we came from and what humans
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are and some of our ancestors that have vanished in
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mysterious ways, even millions of people in this particular case.
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And we're going tonight into a weird space where this
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is all the links from the description as usual. So
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if you're interested in the ideas, I fully encourage you
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to go read up on this stuff. It is highly
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fascinating and there's a ton of wild information in this,
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and of course there's a troubled minds thread that you
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won't hear anywhere else, because well, that's really what we
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do these days, dig in, kind of look at some
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of the other weird angles on these things, and not
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really with a big imagination, but with something more to
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the degree of what are we missing? And certainly in
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this particular story, I'm telling you what, there's something that
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we're missing, and we'll get to that momentarily, but we
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start here. So this is from Nature dot com. It's
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a scientific paper and it's the headline is this over
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twenty thousand pre colonial earthworks in the southwest Amazonian which
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is incredible. Right, we were told the Amazon was the
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last frontier, it was one of the most the untouched
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places of the Earth that has been basically a primordial
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forest since the dawn of time, right, sort of kind
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of right, well, not really not anymore. That used to
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be the old narrative. But if you look at this,
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this is absolutely wild. And there's some pictures in here,
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but of course lasers reveal hundreds of geoglyphs made by
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a mysterious civilization in the Amazon rainforest thousands of years ago. Yeah,
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that's right, not a few hundred, not five hundred, not
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eight hundred, thousands of years ago. Okay, And now when
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we look at prehistory, ancient history and the things like this,
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like I said, it's been it's been pretty well mapped.
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But when you look at something like this, now, suddenly
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this is off the charts. This is something nobody ever
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dreamed would be this massive. And look, we've seen the
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Mayans and the Aztecs and some of these populations that
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they traced back hundreds of years, but certainly not thousands
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of years. And that's why this is incredibly wild. Now,
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let's see the information on this is really good. It's
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really robust. It's a place called and all these links
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are in the description Hoops and you can find all
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of that there, all everything down below. So here's the thing, right.
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So the wild part about this is when I was
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digging and doing the thing, not only did they find
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enough of this let me read the article, that's probably
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the best way to do this, enough of this where
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it'll make your eyes spin but and boggle your mind.
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But in the larger context, there's so much here that
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they scanned three percent of the Amazon's Here we go, abah,
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So a large ancient population dubbed the Aquery civilization that's
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a q u i r y by archaeologists, may have
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lived in the southwestern Amazon Jungle roughly two thousand years ago.
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What historians thought they knew about the early inhabitants of
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the deep rainforest? Okay. According to a new study published
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in Nature, researchers say they've identified over twenty thousand pre
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colonial earthworks in a tiny section. Now, this is where
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it's going to bogger your mind. Just three percent of
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the Amazon, of the area historically occupied by the aquerry
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in this case, So the earthworks offer evidence of a
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monument building pre colonial civilization on a much grander scale
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than ever seen before. The scale and precision of these
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constructions is simply astonishing, said the studies lead authored University
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of Helsinki archaeologist Marty Parsonin. According to New scientists, now,
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the other bizarre part about this is, Okay, so they
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found this, They scanned three percent with LDAR, and suddenly
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we're talking about plus twenty thousand structures in this tiny
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little space from two thousand years ago that they estimate
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was between one and three million people in the population. Okay, Well, Okay, well,
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you're like, wow, oh Mike, this is super cool. This
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is a very nice science article. When an't we going
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to get the troubled mind stuff? Yeah? Okay, Well number one,
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prehistory is foggy. We still don't know a ton of
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stuff about what we don't know. That's the one troubled
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mind thread that sits. The second is if you read
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many of these articles, which I did, and they're all
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similar information, but check this out in this particular one.
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This is from LiveScience dot com, and the lead archaeologist
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the one just mentioned there actually said this, if you
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scroll down to the bottom and here's some actually amazing
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pictures of what they found. Actually, I'm sorry, this is
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not okay like this one. Okay, it is. It is
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because some of these have no pictures whatsoever. Which is
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really weird and which caught my attention, by the way,
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was this one. It says a lost civilization carved pentagrams,
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let me move my big head out of the way,
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carved pentagrams into the Amazon jungle, then vanished without an explanation. Right,
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So it's like, oh, maybe maybe there's something to this.
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I kind of made a joke on X there, you know,
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I'm sure there's nothing to worry about here, But when
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you look at it and scroll down, they don't have
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any photographs whatsoever of any of this stuff. And I'm like,
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that sounds suspicious to me. Where it's the pentagrams, bro
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like when you're killing me. Okay. But the other part
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is that in this Live Science article, and this is
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where we get the title from tonight where the map
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goes quiet meeting places for other worldly beings, and it
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is in here watch this. So this is it's one
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place I found one little nugget from the Live Science
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article where this actual archaeologist said this, and I quote,
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according to native oral traditions, the Acquay centers were built
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to foster relations among communities and with significant other world beans.
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Parsonen said. These centers also served as venues for gatherings
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and political decision making, and they enabled chiefs to display generosity.
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He added, Yeah, notice the quote ends and then and
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with significant other worldly beings. Now what does that mean?
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I don't know.
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This could be some hocus pocus, just throwing some keywords
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in there to you know, make people go, what the
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hell does that mean? And yeah, what the hell does
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that mean? And that's the question tonight. How come even
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in some of these places, the most remote places on
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Earth that supposedly have never been occupied by any human
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civilization ever, at least notable the sizeable this is three
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million people, but in this particular case significant other worldly beings?
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And why specifically do we always find the ancients searching
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for beings from elsewhere, whether that's the fay realm like
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we talk about in folklore and mythology, whether that's space
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with the space brothers and spacemen and little green men
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as we like to call them. Look, I don't know
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those answers, but that is the question tonight. Why do
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we always find ourselves searching for these other worldly beings?
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That's it, That's all I got. I mean, hey, there's
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a ton more here. Of course we're gonna talk about
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what these things might be and why why we continue
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to look for them. That's It's be right back. More
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Welcome back to Troubled Minds On Michael Strange, Let us continue,
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shall we? Okay, So that's where we start. Where the
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map goes quiet meeting places for other worldly beings. And
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like I said that the clickbait headline, of course, is
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a lost civilization carved pentagrams into the Amazon. That's not true,
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It's not entirely true. It is true that they have
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pictures of this stuff, and it is you know, they
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got maps and all the stuff you would expect them
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to have. But another thing came up here. I'll see
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if I can find you. But there's some of the images. Again,
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move my head out of the way so you can
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see if you guys are watching the stream, And these
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are some of the things they found. And remember this
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is deep in the Amazon forest. This is from literally
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two thousand years ago that they said, actually the estimate
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is from one hundred to three hundred CE. Okay, like
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that is way back. That is so far back that
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it makes you wonder, Like I said, what the hell
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was going on in the Amazon? And not only that
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that it's been way overgrown and hidden and lost forever.
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I mean, this is certainly going to be the place
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where you know, they have the the what the Golden
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fleece or the whatever mythological hidden thing in some treasure.
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I mean, we're gonna find it here, right. They've been
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telling stories for thousands of years about these places. And
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about these things. And so maybe just maybe this particular place,
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this meeting place for these other worldly beings are significant
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in some way or another. And so that's the question
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tonight as we start, why do you think every single
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civilization we've ever found is infatuated with these other worldly entities?
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Whatever that looks like, whether it's a demi God, whether
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it's God him or herself, however you see that, whether
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it's the Space Brothers or the Spaceman, a little green man.
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As I said, it seems strange to me that even
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in this even with the clickbait headline, which is wild
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to me, that they're like, oh uh, you know, carved
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pentagrams into the Amazon, but then they don't mention the
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other worldly beans.
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I don't know.
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Maybe I'm sniffing out the clickbait from all the different places,
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because the only one that I found that mentioned it
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was from Live Science, and again this is exactly the quote.
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I peeled it out, so I didn't have to look
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for it. According to native oral traditions, the aquerry centers
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were built to foster relations among communities and with significant
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other worldly beans. Okay, all right, there we go. That's
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where we start now, Why, why is this? Why is
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it a continuing theme on and on and on, over
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and over and over, and look, they they're actually suggesting
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that this three percent of the Amazon they scanned means
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that the entirety of the Amazon Forest, unexplored mostly is
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going to be cover with ancient civilizations and these ancient structures.
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So what the hell does that mean? Who was there?
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Oh?
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And here's the other part of that mystery. By the way,
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that the buzzwords that the modern scientists like to use.
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the Mayans and the Aztecs were a little bit prior.
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millions of people, one to three million people estimated here gone.
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Why does that not seem suspicious to you? Anyway? What
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the hell's going on here? Why are we always searching
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for these other worldly beings? Seven O two eighty five
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seven six nine three nine. We are taking a call tonight.
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click the discord and just real quick before we get
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to James. Thanks James for jumping in here. Always a pleasure. No,
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there's no truth here, okay. We're looking at these ideas
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outside of the box, outside of the scientific paradigm, outside
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of the maybe in the twilight zone aspect of it,
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and talking about the unseen realm. That's what we do now.
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and that's why we do it in the format we
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do take calls and talk to people, because that's what
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a conversation is about. Dare I suggest, but there's no
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truth here. If you're trying to cite me and say, oh, well,
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Michael Strange said, so, don't go to the source material.
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I found and then be able to read back and
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there's going to be a ton of that. So thanks
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for hanging tight, Thanks for listening, Thanks for being part
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of this. Happy Sunday to everybody out there. Tomorrow in
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be less than one hundred degrees and I am thrilled.
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Yeah anyway, seven two eight, five, seven, six, nine three nine.
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you on the show. It's as easy as that's Let's
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go to James James in Michigan, the paranormal expert of
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Troubled mind steal Cio Paranormal. What's on, my man? You're
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on Trouble Minds. How are you, sir? Go right ed?
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I'm okay. Can you hear me?
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Yes, sir, loud and clear. Welcome.
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Good.
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This is a fascinating topic and I'm just really wondering here.
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And I don't know if this this may not be original,
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who knows, but I'm just wondering about the disappearances of
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those civilizations.
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Did they disappear because they.
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Whenever they were communicating with whoever they were communicating with
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in terms of other worldthy beings told them, Okay, we're
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done here, Yeah, to move elsewhere now to communicate with us,
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or there's others that you should communicate with, and so
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we're done here.
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And so then they move on. I don't know. I
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haven't looked into that. I haven't done any research on that.
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It'd probably be hard to do that.
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there's not like other than the scientific explanation of possibly
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of you know, the climate change and all that. But
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aside from that, if there's not any other explanation, I'm
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just thinking if they were in contact with non physical
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beings of some kind, whatever kind, really, then there wouldn't
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be evidence of why they laughed or of who told
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them to leave necessarily, which is to me is fascinating.
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Is that why places people just empty out of a place,
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any place around the world any given time.
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explanation here, and I think he's partially right. He says
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the Spanish Inquisition wiped them out, and you know, Cortes
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and all that stuff. If you followed any of that.
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You guys know exactly what we're talking about historically, but
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I'm not so sure that they didn't have like the
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ability to just wipe an entire continent, because we're talking
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about two completely separate ways here that not just the
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Mayans and the Aztec and the sort of Central Erica
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into into Mexico itself, but we're talking about now the
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Amazon Jungle, which is completely on the opposite aspect of
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a completely different continent. And so suddenly it makes it
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makes that the mystery of why the when they disappeared
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even a little bit more spooky, because clearly, like an
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entire swath of thousands of miles didn't just all undergo
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a drought at the same time, did it. That seems
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a little strange, That seems sort of anti scientific and uh,
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you know, not in line with the wink wink climate
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change narrative. So so I don't really know, but it
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is it is a good a good thing to point
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out that in Central and Central America up into Mexico,
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we certainly had that happening. But in this case, these
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guys disappeared and we're forgotten about it had grown over
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in the Amazon Forest for hundreds of years again going
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back to two thousand years ago. So maybe just maybe
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this is where the actual Aztecs and Mayans came from.
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I mean, I don't know, just kind of spitballing here,
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but it's an interesting thing when you go back that far.
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That's they told us there weren't people here back that
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far with these massive civilizations, and yet here we are
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finding new evidence to suggest instead there is by our stuff, James,
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what else you.
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Got, Yeah, I feel like I've been hearing over the
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last handful of years about more and more of these
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lidar scans, these laser scans basically of different parts of
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the world that part in particular as well, where they're
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they're just finding the foundations of you know, buildings, or
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they're finding complete buildings that are just beneath the jungle.
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you said, does that mean you know that every part
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of the world almost it has something there, had something
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there at one point or another. That's that's really fascinating
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me to think about that, like how how much how
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much of the world was was populated at maybe its
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highest peak.
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two thousand years ago, the world was teeming with civilizations,
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and I mean some of those are very well documented,
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but some of some of them, like this one, is
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comple been lost to history itself. And again, remember this
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is three percent of the Amazon. They scanned and added
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plus twenty thousand structures to the space. So taking that
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and extrapolating over the entire Amazon, suddenly it looks like
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there may have been a flourishing civilization. Therefore, who knows
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how long and how far back does it go. That's
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when this gets really really weird, because nobody would have
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guessed that, and yet here we are sort of on
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the cusp of it seems not just unlike past the
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unlikely space and into the probable space, which is incredibly
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wild if you ask me, of course, yeah, and.
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Then getting to those other worldly beings.
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I mean, obviously anyone who's looked into any kind of
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anomalous experiences. Things don't just happen inside modern build or
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even older buildings. Things don't just happen on roads modern roads.
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They happen in nature. They happen out in the woods.
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They happen I mean, so much stuff happens in the
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forests in different parts of the world. So, and if
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some of these places have remains of buildings in them,
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does that mean some of these anomalous experiences are somehow
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connected to those those older buildings that were there or
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that are there just beneath the ground.
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And that's the whole point of this. And you guys
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know me, like, when I come to those types of theories,
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I'm like, you know, I'll listen to it with an
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open mind, but there's a lot of plot holes. And
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don't forget, everything's narratives anyway, So if you listen close enough,
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there's going to be plot holes in every narrative. It's
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just the way it is, because not just missing evidence
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like we're seeing here, but also people kind of trying
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to fib all the time, People trying to make up
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a little bit of a story here there, or you know,
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and put them into a space where they don't belong,
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to make them seem like they're a hero when they're not.
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You know, I mean, you go back thousands of years,
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there's going to be tons of tall tales. Yeah, and
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so this in particular, I look, I don't know. I
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don't know where it leads, I don't know where it
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comes from, and I don't know how big this civilization
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actually is going to become. And if they're finding this
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and suggesting two thousan years ago and up to three
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million people, imagine how far back this could go and
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how many tens of millions possibly lived in the Amazon
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for who knows how long. That's that's when this gets
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incredibly weird. A couple of minutes left. If you got
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anything else, James, I do like the otherworldly beans angle,
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and of course it is the Troubled mind space, And
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don't forget that's exactly what it says, just so you
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can fact check me. It is in the Live Science
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article down near the bottom. What else, Scott James?
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Good, Yeah, I'm reminded of and I don't remember who
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the explorer was and what pyramid it was over in Egypt,
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but I've heard in a couple of different shows that
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some of the the hieroglyphs or the images that were
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found in one of the pyramids, you know, first people
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thought they were amazing, then they looked at them and
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they found errors that indicated maybe that explorer added those
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to the pyramid to make themselves look more amazing and
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like a better you know, better explore and make them
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more famous, like I found this. Then it turns out
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maybe they could have, you know, maybe they they made
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it and they found what they made themselves. So yeah,
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there's definitely that aspect of everything. But and I've heard
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of the pyramids having paranormativity around them as well in Egypt.
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So anyway, that's a couple of random things there. But
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happy to sitting with you for this one and see
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where we go from here.
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You were the best. Appreciate you very much, you know
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you love him. James Salcido of course, a dear friend,
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the glue with the show, the paranormal Expert of Troubled Minds.
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Go give them a follow. You know where to find
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that Troubledminds dot org for SI friends. Scroll down just
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a little bit. It is alphabetical, it's under James there.
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Click that and he'll take you to his link tree,
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which of course will take you to his website and
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on the rest of the amazing things he's got going on.
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That would be Salcedo Paranormal dot com s A S
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A L S I d O Paranormal dot com, and
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you know to find it. If you forget that and
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or type it funny, just go to troubleminds dot org.
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Click friends, scroll down, follow James. That's it. That's where
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we start. Now. It is strange to me that not
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just the the the aspect that caught my attention was
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the pentagrams carved into the Amazon on from thousands of
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years ago in a mysterious disappearance of a million plus
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people civilization, but the other part that we have space
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brothers or entities, nature spirits. Maybe I don't know what
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does it mean? And why are we always finding these
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things that we were searching for? Whoever resides in the
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invisible realm? One more time, Love to hear your thoughts.
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If you want to be part of the conversation seven
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O two eight seven six nine three nine. That's seven
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oh two eight five seven six nine three nine, you
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click the discord link at troubleminds dot orgle love to
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hear from you Tonight's and look, I don't know. I've
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got some ideas on who these people might be, and
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it might be more Avatar asked than you ever dreamed.
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time seven O two eight five, seven, six, nine, three nine.
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This is Troubled Minds on Michael Strange, Mulwich James coming up.
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Nobody on the line. If you guys want to jump
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You're tuning into Troubled Minds, the show where mystery knows
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no bounds. Stay tuned for revelations that'll keep you questioning
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the fabric of reality.
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Fly the light low down to the leaves, most of
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the catches, a little bit, breez hits the flow of
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no body's been on the ground.
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Rights back in the language durams.
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Three percent of the green.
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And a million under, Quiet as.
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A dream, Nobody empty, nobody wild.
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Somebody carried this garden from myles.
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We love the serf, So just throw the dark, not.
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For the dead, not for the wall, cutsp door in
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the floor of the world, to sit down with something.
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We couldn't see the world.
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Coming mely green, greed, long house, smoke and palms, and
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the foce remembers what the map makers don't. We tended
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these trees till the trees were named, and.
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We walked out the door and never came again.
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Far side of the sky.
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Know the jungle.
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Lets it.
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Fires, die, same lonely decades, same going, quiet hairs, Let go,
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and nobody.
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Knows what.
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We welcome back. It's Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
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Were streaming on YouTube, rumble x, Twitch, and Kick. We
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are broadcasting live on the Troubled Wines Radio Network. That's
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KUAP Digital broadcasting out of Las Vegas, Nevada, and eighty
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eight point four FM Auckland, New Zealand. Tonight, we're going
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deep into the Amazon. Two thousand years ago. Supposedly there
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was a civilization of up to three million people, and
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they only scan three percent of the Amazon. They're upgrading
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the estimate of buildings in that region to be twenty
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plus twenty thousand. Now scale that over the course of
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the entire Amazon Jungle, and we are literally looking at
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hidden history because we were told it was the last
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undiscovered place, the last unexplored and uninhabited ever place on Earth,
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and now suddenly we're seeing all of this data that
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refutes that entirely. And that is really why this kind
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of made my tinfoil tingle. And a couple things specifically
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is that they mentioned in the not the Nature dot
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com article of the paper, but in this is who
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is it from? This is from Popular Mechanics. A lost
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civilization carved pentagrams into the Amazon jungle, then vanished without
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an explanation. Oddly enough, there's not a single photograph of
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the petroglyphs in here or the actual buildings. But luckily
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in some of these other ones they do have photographs,
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so we can take a look at what they mean
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as part of it. But I mean, this is wild.
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This is two thousand years ago, up to three million people,
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and it's only a scan of three percent of the Amazon,
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So what the hell's going on here? And not to
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mention the otherworldly beings? Sort of a way station of sorts,
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a place, a meeting spot to get together, not just
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with humans and maybe differing tribes, but in this case,
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with entities from somewhere else. What does it mean? Love
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here your thoughts? Seven h two eight five seven six
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nine three nine clicked the discord link of trouble Minds
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dot org changed anything to add and we'll go to
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Ricky on the line. Welcome back if you're there.
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Yeah, I'm just thinking here.
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Even if let's say there were no actual other worthy
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beings as in other consciousness. Again, even if people through
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their own minds and their own rituals and their own
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energy perceived that there were or thought that there were
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and had a feeling like, you know, we should move
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because we're not getting as much contact or we don't
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feel like it, then that's still the end result is
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still the same.
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Whether they were or there were or not.
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These other beings, which to me is fascinating, can go
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either way with that depending on your you know which
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way you want to lean, and like you still have
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the same outcome, I think, yeah.
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And the weird part is it really reminds me, and
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I said you mentioned this, I'll just drop it now,
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is that you think of Avatar, right, and how they
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were so communed and in tune with the forest and
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the nature spirits and even communing with Mother Nature herself
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through a physical interaction through the tale that kind of
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rap with the trees and everything has some sort of
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actual tactile output that they could connect to and actually
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communicate with Mother Nature herself. Now, I wonder in this case,
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I mean, if we're going back two thousand years like
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this was not you know, oxen and tools like that.
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I mean, they probably shape this with their hands. So
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I mean there's a really really deep primordial thing here
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that not only did they really carve these things out
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of very ancient ways obviously, but beyond that, there's also
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evidence to suggest that they planted many of these trees
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in high concentration because they were fruit bearing, not bearing
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trees that could feed them. And so when you look
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at the Amazon, it may have been sort of an
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old school terrarium or not to a forestation aspect of
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them building what the Amazon is now by bringing in
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sort of the old agricultural space of let's put a
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bunch of these trees here, we'll live here, they'll grow,
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and we can eat the fruit from the trees. I mean,
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it is very garden of eaten esk. When you start
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to think about what this is and how fast the
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Amazon grows and how it can completely swallowed this civilization hole,
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pretty wild stuff. You're the best, James. Get back to
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momentarily seven oh two eight five, seven, six, nine three nine.
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Click the discord link at Troubledminds dot org will put
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you on the show. Thanks for being patient. Friends. Let's
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go to Ricky Ricky, Ricky, Ricky anything, as possible, Ricky,
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how you don't brother, you're in trouble minds with Mike
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and James? How are you, sir? All years? Go right ahead?
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Good good man? How are you doing tonight?
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Oh? Pretty good, just doing doing weird stuff by dark
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of night with my wild and amazing friends, leaving the
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dream as I like to say, Yeah, but what go
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go right ahead?
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What do you got?
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There's a ton of stuff here, and you know, we
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could talk about the beans, the garden of even aspect
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or as usual. You know me take it wherever you like,
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because there's so many threads here we can kind of
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chase down. Yeah.
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The first thing that the pop in my head was like,
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you know, you're like you're kind of saying where people
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kind of start looking through history and then they you know,
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and there's big old holes and there's big plot holes
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and stuff. And then a lot of people they do
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they fill in their own percatto h Robert of or
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narrative who where they want to put stuff, you know,
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like oh this is this has got to be this.
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They put it in this little box, you know, and
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they got to go, Okay, this has got to fit
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here because this is what I think there should be here,
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you know, and and so it's it's but it's interesting
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to see, you know, and it's just another another moment
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of everything we were taught in school, and the history
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is just wrong. I mean ninety nine percent I think
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at this point is absolutely wrong for the you know,
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for for George and X. We were we were just
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taught every damn thing in the history was wrong. It
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was sadly, you know, we know that, you know, Columbus
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didn't discover America. We now know that the Vikings are
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here a long time before any of that, and and
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many other civilizations were here. And you know, it's it's
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interesting to seeing the down in the rain forests, and
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and there's there's so much.
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Of this stuff.
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You know, there's there's still tribes and features and stuff
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they keep finding down there too that they've never seen before.
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I know, not too long ago, there was a.
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I think a new monkey or something like that just
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came out that they found, like they've never seen that
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that breed of monkey before. Uh So there's there's all
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kinds of creatures and stuff down there.
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You know.
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One reason is because it's so dangerous down there. You know,
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it's easy to die down there. But now with a
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lot of other stuff you can and it's getting better
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and better where you can actually see some of the
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stuff and see underneath there, and that's it's absolutely amazing
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and seeing you know, the possibilities of what it could
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be there, and it makes it only three percent you know,
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that's you know, that's scratching the surface there. It's kind
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of like a peppi teppe, you know, and you know
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that's about all they've done really is you know, about
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five percent of really what they've actually uncovered, you know,
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so that's what it's actually there. So it must have
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been ancient, asked the society, and.
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Who knows what they had really used?
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You know that you know, we everybody wants to put
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you know, not everybody, you know what I'm saying, but
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you know a lot of people want to put everybody
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in a box, you know, and oh there's you know,
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these were stone age people or this was this and
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so they couldn't do this, and you know, and then
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you find places like you know, uh, good pet py teppe,
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you know, and places like that where there's no wait
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a minute, there's there's no reasoning behind this, you know, Uh,
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I want you Peach you and places down there in
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South America, and and I wonder, you know that there's
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lots of stories like with the Indians and stuff, you know,
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talk about a lot of that stuff was there a
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long time before. I wonder kind of my key curiosity,
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you know, maybe that was all connected to you know,
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with I mean, it's all the same continent, So why
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couldn't it be for that kind of ancient site and
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ancient stone which you know, again we can't we can't
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date stone. We don't know when none of that stone
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was actually anything. All they can do is date the
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matter around it where they find where somebody eat something
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or somebody. That's about all they can actually really truly date.
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So the possibility of you know, good Peppi Teppy, I mean,
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I got that in my head. I guess, you know,
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Machi Pichu and as places like that over there in
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South America are just you know, absolutely ancient also, so
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having more places of more that place they find.
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And I but I put money.
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I put money if they actually do scan the rest
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of them, but they don't find more pyramids and stuff
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down there too, you know.
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Wouldn't surprise me at all if you look at the
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toot Wacan in places like that, they used to be
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just as big hill. And then they started digging and like,
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wait a minute, there's something down here. And now you
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look at it's clear this entire plateau is just covered
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with structures, including that massive pyramid that was literally buried
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and right there in plain sight for everybody to see.
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So I'm with you. I think we're going to find
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some pretty astonishing stuff here if they keep it up.
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And some of the stuff was the reason they searched
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this area, by the way, is the satellite photos from
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Google Earth and things like this, so you know, that's
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definitely giving us a leg up on where to search.
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But then even when they went and did the lidar here,
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it astonished them how much more there was in they thought.
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So it's you know, even some of the clues we
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get from satellites, and that type of imagy now is
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going to accelerate when people actually get out there on
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airplanes and start doing the scans over or with drones
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or however they're doing it these days. Suddenly this is
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going to become I don't you know, dare I suggest
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the garden and beaten like at least that type of
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imagery or that Avatar imagery where we're talking about this
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primordial nature space where these people lived, you know, sort
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of in harmony with the forest to the tune of
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millions of people. I mean, that's incredible to think about.
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And it's going to accelerate. It's going to be more
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and more of these places, and who knows what we
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have to learn. It's an incredible find here. I'm really
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digging this.
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Yeah, And you know, I remember you talked about this
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a while back, you know, and you know how the
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scientists and stuff. But kind of I think I remember
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it this and I hope I do.
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Uh.
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You know, we're talking about like, you know, the where
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nature and everything is like like Avatar, you know, where
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it has a connection you know, through the root system
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and all the plants and everything, and the possibility where
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you know, truly they can communicate with each other and
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which you know, it was one of the things like man, you.
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Know, now, what can you eat?
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Now?
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You can't eat anything. Everything's love and living and but
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it's it's amazing to see what they can find in
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there and whenever they actually take the time to start
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going through there and actually you know, excavating and actually
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finding you know, boots on the ground on which I
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know that's just going to take time and money, and
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it's gonna be interesting to see what they can actually
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find down there though, and hopefully, hopefully it don't destroy
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it or do you know, do like they've done with
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Go Peppy Teppe, you know, over five percent And they're like, well,
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that's good enough, you know, y'all, y'all bring in tourist
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dollars in. We don't need to see what the rest
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of this shows us, you know, you know, it's such
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a shame to see places like that, you know that,
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you know, we could learn so much as a society,
718
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:21.400
and the possibilities of knowledge could absolutely blow everybody's mind.
719
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:24.000
And they're like, no, we can't do that, we can't.
720
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:27.719
We don't want, we don't want people to have knowledge,
721
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.480
and and that's beyond their recognition. We want to keep
722
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:35.360
everybody in this dark. It seems like, you know, yeah, totally.
723
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:37.599
And even in this case, I found the line when
724
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.480
I was reading it to start here, I just kind
725
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:41.599
of speed read and burn through a bunch of stuff.
726
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.039
But in the paper itself they mentioned somewhere in here
727
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.320
that there's some of it they haven't disclosed yet, Like
728
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:50.679
they're kind of hiding stuff because it's I mean why,
729
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:52.199
like I don't know, Like this is the type of
730
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.280
stuff that's like exciting as hell, and you know, the
731
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.719
more information that gets out, the more people will study it,
732
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.360
the more interested will get. But then also they're saying
733
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.519
because it's you know, encroaching on indigenous lands and things
734
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:04.639
like this, and you know, the things they always use.
735
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.760
And again I'm not saying I'm not saying we should
736
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.280
just burn everything down because we find something, but it
737
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.039
is interesting that they are even doing some gatekeeping with
738
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.079
this right right off the bat, which is a little
739
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.559
bit strange to me, because what did they find. I mean,
740
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.599
maybe they did find these pentagrams and it kind of
741
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.000
leaked out and then everybody redacted it. I mean, who knows,
742
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:24.880
you know, just sort of a food for thought here,
743
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:26.559
What the hell are you actually hiding? I mean, we're
744
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:29.400
talking about a civil civilization we know nothing about, so
745
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.480
at this point, the more information we get, the better.
746
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.639
And for some reason, they're already gatekeeping right out right
747
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:37.360
from jump, which doesn't make any sense.
748
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.199
No, no, And that's interesting. You know, it would be
749
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.320
a you know, another moment in a time where you
750
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.440
know possibly that you know, not these symbols and stuff
751
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:50.840
that you know, everybody has a meaning of now or
752
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:54.199
have a concept of, you know, and has changed, you know,
753
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.639
like you know, there's it has happened throughout history, you know,
754
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:02.000
and and so maybe that's it's a possibility be where
755
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:04.559
we could see that. But I mean I could see
756
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.719
that with the indigenous land. I mean it might be
757
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:10.199
getting close to some of the ones that really hadn't
758
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:13.360
never been around anybody, and so it would really be dangerous,
759
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.239
like we would probably you know, you know, he almost
760
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:18.159
had to go through to go to war with the
761
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:21.519
Indigenous people there kind of thing situation possibly to get
762
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.159
in there. You know, some of them are very you know,
763
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:27.840
you know they're they're living the same way they would
764
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.280
live for you know, ten thousand years down there.
765
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:31.159
You know some of them are.
766
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:34.639
And you know, all of a sudden you start coming
767
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:38.400
there with you know, bulldozers and pain saws and all
768
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:41.280
kinds of stuff. There's going to be you know, it'd
769
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:42.840
be kind of like the Avatar movie, you know, it
770
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.639
would it be it would be a real big pushback.
771
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:47.840
Except it's this planet, not theirs it's our planet.
772
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:51.519
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know, it really would be. It
773
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.360
would be like the movie, you know, And but yeah,
774
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.519
it's curious. I'm curious too, I'm with you. I'm like,
775
00:41:57.599 --> 00:41:59.280
what what are they already covering up?
776
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:01.800
You know?
777
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:05.320
And maybe, you know, especially with everything going on with
778
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.639
the you know, the disclosure, you know, maybe maybe there
779
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:10.960
is some alien stuff down there.
780
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:11.440
Who knows.
781
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:15.320
I mean, there's all kinds of.
782
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:19.559
Stories, especially Incan history and my mine and you know,
783
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.480
you know, the Creator gods and stuff like that to
784
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.639
come down there and it was you know, very uh,
785
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:32.559
interterrestrial type sounding stuff going on. So there's always anything
786
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:34.840
as possible, you know, well.
787
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:38.519
Said anything is possible, indeed, And does it Does it
788
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:42.000
surprise you that these other worldly beans ended up as
789
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:43.760
part of this article and part of a you know,
790
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:46.960
a partial quote by the lead archaeologist. Does that does
791
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:48.480
that shock you at all? I mean, it seems like
792
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:51.239
this is ubiquitous in ancient history as well as modern
793
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.559
history too, so it didn't shock me per se, But
794
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:56.559
it did surprise me a little bit that the term
795
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:59.960
was used as otherworldly beans, not you know, sky gods
796
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.480
or whatever gods of the forest like you might expect
797
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:04.920
an archaeologists to say he said, he literally said other
798
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.920
worldly beings at least from the article, So you know.
799
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:12.159
Yeah, I mean it makes you wonder, you know, of course,
800
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:14.880
you know, if you get in, you get people talking,
801
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.519
and you get interest, you know, then that's how you
802
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:21.840
get funding for you know, absolutely foot you know, more
803
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.760
lot door and more you know, boots on the ground.
804
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.559
So maybe you know, with all the disclosure stuff, is
805
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:33.360
a good way of you know, getting peaking people's interests
806
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:38.360
and making people talk about it. You know, it could
807
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:42.119
be in that narrative like you know, but and like
808
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:43.599
I said, it could be some you know who knows
809
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:47.960
what's down there, and it's the Amazon and rainforest is
810
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:53.119
just teeming with life that we have most people have
811
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.199
never ever seen and be interesting to see what, you know,
812
00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:59.159
what they could find and what you know, if they're
813
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:04.119
actually able to go down there and see and I
814
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.920
guess time would tail, but it is interesting.
815
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:10.199
All amen, Amen, Well said, I'm looking forward to them
816
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.280
actually kind of doing some actual archaeology down there. But
817
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.880
the problem is that it's incredibly remote. I mean, you know,
818
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:18.519
you can take a plane and fly over, but then
819
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:21.800
to get an expedition down there. There's no roads. Good luck,
820
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:24.599
you're gonna have to you know, airlift some people in there.
821
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:27.639
And an extremely remote region of the world that may
822
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.280
be inhospitable to life, like you describe. Maybe there's a
823
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.280
lions and tigers and bears of the Amazon down there,
824
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:35.920
so like who knows, And that becomes really the hard
825
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:37.760
part of this is you can't just simply snap your
826
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.400
fingers and we're doing archaeology. It's like, this is this,
827
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:43.199
this is a huge endeavor just to get people down
828
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.199
their boots on the ground. Like you said, it's incredible.
829
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:47.760
But let's hope they do it sooner rising later, because
830
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:50.320
I'm getting old. Let's find some cool stuff.
831
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.840
Absolutely, I mean yeah, they would have to you know,
832
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.360
you know, maybe some military helicopters and drop some stuff
833
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:59.039
where they get clear hour the path, you know, and
834
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.480
I had to open up a little airport type you
835
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:03.559
know section right there. You know, it would it would
836
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:08.280
take some sure enough major work, you know, building the
837
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:10.199
road all the way to there, sure enough would take
838
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:15.400
some real work. I mean, so yeah, it to actually
839
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:18.639
get people there and getting work doing and you know,
840
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:21.119
you see some of them other ancient older sites and
841
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.559
stuff where people are working, and it's it's so primitive
842
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:26.719
to the point, you know what they you know what
843
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:30.920
they had to do, and you know, just barely building roads,
844
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:32.800
you know, enough for a little jeeps and stuff and
845
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:36.239
stuff to get through there and and a lot of
846
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:43.079
just manual labor and and hands on. So but but yeah,
847
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:47.920
I'm with you. You know, we need a lot of stuff.
848
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:50.320
I mean, it's it's always fascinates me, you know, all
849
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:53.440
that stuff. I wish that I you know, places like that, like, hey,
850
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:56.000
we need to invest in some of these places and
851
00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:58.960
learn some of his history and instead of investing in
852
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.000
some of the things that we do best in in
853
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.679
the world. But it would be more I think it
854
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.880
would be more beneficial for sure we if we did.
855
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:11.159
Amen. Amen, and uh, I'll keep an eye on this
856
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.800
as as this develops, and hopefully we find some some
857
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.559
some really wild stuff because I'm expecting that's going to
858
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:18.159
be the case. You're the best, brother. I appreciate you
859
00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:19.719
very much. Thank you for the call, thank you for
860
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:21.599
the raid, thank you for doing that the fire stuff
861
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.480
before the show, the professional courtesy, ending it right when
862
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:26.559
we start and rating over. I appreciate you so much
863
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.280
and fantastic work to booking all the guests and stuff.
864
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:30.880
I'm keeping an eye on what you're doing, and I'm
865
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:33.400
telling you what fantastic work. Keep up the good work.
866
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:35.119
Always a pleasure. Thanks for the call. You have a
867
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:35.480
great night.
868
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.679
I'men Yeah, sorry, you too. Appreciate you, Appreciate you, and
869
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:41.960
appreciate James always. He's been there every time so far.
870
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:44.679
Nice James, James the glue. The glue of the show
871
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:48.000
shows plural. I share the best wrecking. Appreciate you man,
872
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:50.199
have a great night. Seven two eight seven six nine
873
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:51.440
three night. I sorry to rush off. Want to get
874
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.719
Aryl in here. She's been waiting a minute. I'm callloing
875
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.880
this where the map goes quiet meeting places for other
876
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:58.239
worldly beings, Darylin, New York. Thanks for being patient. Got
877
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:00.239
about six seven minutes, and if you've got more than that,
878
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.320
you're welcome to staff to Thanks for being patient. You're
879
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:03.960
in trouble mind with Mike and James. How are you
880
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:06.760
on mute? And it's all yours? Go right ahead, dearrely
881
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:10.679
in New York. Unless you jumped in accidentally, I don't
882
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:13.679
think that's the case. That's one two all right, James,
883
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:17.079
anything on what Ricky said there again, not just you're amazing,
884
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.599
of course, but and thanks for anchoring that show too
885
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.239
and helping him out with all the stuff he's doing
886
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:23.719
over there. But anything on what he said with regard
887
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:27.800
to this ancient civilization, Yeah, it is fascinating.
888
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:32.199
I did hear somewhere with in the case of go
889
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:35.360
Beckley Tepe. I probably can't see that word either very well.
890
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.320
That one of the reasons why they supposedly stopped was
891
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.800
they're waiting for a better technology to discover more. Which
892
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:46.920
it's one of those reasons where I can imagine I
893
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.000
can see that, I can understand that, but also it's
894
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:53.079
a really good and really good reason to use that
895
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:56.639
doesn't require any proof of what you're saying either, you know,
896
00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:02.119
to give that reason. But yeah, just all the there's
897
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:04.880
so many like animals in that part of the world that,
898
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.519
if I'm not mistaken, are like deadly like snakes and
899
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.559
different things that so it is kind of it's pretty
900
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:14.880
dangerous to be in there, even if you're not trying
901
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:17.679
to make roads or do whatever, if you're in that
902
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.239
part of the world. And yeah, I'm always fascinated by
903
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:25.159
the possible connections between Again, I mean, because we have that,
904
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:28.920
we don't know what's under there, and it could be
905
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:33.119
something that would completely change the way we think of
906
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:36.079
what we think of as what was possible in the past.
907
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.320
When it comes to other worldly beings, you know, what
908
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:43.719
if that is something physical that was here and they
909
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:47.880
have you know, momified one or something, or they've they've
910
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.639
made a statue of one that is like, there's no
911
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:55.199
arguing that, oh, that's that's that's a human. But they
912
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:58.960
find something that's like, no, that's not human, you know,
913
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:02.079
and in one of these temples, these pyramids. It's a
914
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.960
fascinating I need to think of and doesn't wonder when
915
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:08.639
they sort of stop or they slow down, or they
916
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:13.320
sort of they don't want to disclose all the information.
917
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.760
You know, there's always all a part of me that's
918
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:17.719
like I wonder, I wonder about wonder about that, Why
919
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.039
is that happening? You know, there's all the usual logical explanations,
920
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.920
but also I mean, if it's something that big, I
921
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:28.599
could totally understand the government's being involved saying no, that's
922
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.559
that's that's not going anywhere.
923
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:33.760
Yeah, yeah, agreed. And the other thing that came in
924
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:35.280
mind when I was thinking of this I was, you know,
925
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.440
because you brought up the funerary practices, maybe there's gonna
926
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:40.880
be some really fascinating stuff. I do wonder you go
927
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:42.880
back up a couple of thousand years and maybe even
928
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:46.239
deeper than that in their prehistory of the civilization. Were
929
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:50.039
they mummifying people? Was it sort of parallel to Egyptian stuff?
930
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:50.159
Like?
931
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:53.760
How much of this this actually really maybe came from there?
932
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:56.039
I mean, thor Hirre Doll proved that you could come
933
00:49:56.119 --> 00:50:00.239
across the Atlantic Ocean on a read raft so on.
934
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:03.440
I mean, so the Kantiky voyages looked that up. If
935
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:05.519
if you don't know anything about that, it's an incredible story.
936
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:08.920
And so there were some suggestions that people from ancient
937
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.800
Egypt and the Mediterranean thousands and thousands of years ago
938
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:16.400
actually came and populated these areas of the South America,
939
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:19.480
so Central America, and even parts of North America all
940
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:22.119
off Florida things like this. So I don't know, I
941
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:23.960
don't really know those answers, but I do know when
942
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:25.519
I look at this, not only does it remind me
943
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:28.360
of the idea of sort of crop circles a little bit.
944
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:30.000
You know, you look at some of these things there
945
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.360
that they're they're very geometric and buried into the Amazon here.
946
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:36.719
But beyond that, but just so many themes kind of
947
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:38.960
flowing through my head, including that Garden of Eden, the
948
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:42.599
fact that maybe the Amazon Jungle was not a natural space.
949
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.760
It was planted by maybe thousands of years of a
950
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.679
civilization living there, I mean, and there's there's evidence to
951
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.000
suggest that right off the bat here. So I don't know.
952
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.280
It's weird, man, It's weird. And that's that's the wonderful
953
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part about this is we don't know anything about it,
954
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so kind of all the speculation is open right now.
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But it is also range other hiding stuff right off
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00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:03.480
the bat, which I didn't sit well with me, but
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00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:06.320
you know me, I'm wear a tinfoil hat. I'm known
958
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.920
to wear tinfoil half from time to time. Got about
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00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.239
a minute left. Thanks for being patient, Alco. We'll go
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to you at the top of the break there after
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we come back and when Daryl gets it figured out.
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I don't know what's going on with her with the technology, hey,
963
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:20.320
and we have there are bad days with the technology,
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00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:22.639
but anything else on that James, tons of stuff here
965
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:23.559
to talk about and think about.
966
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:26.360
Yeah, the shapes are always fascinating to me, and why
967
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:28.559
the shapes are made and how they're made and what
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00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:31.400
they're made of, you know, whether it's stone or different things.
969
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:34.960
Even with one of the things that's always been fascinating
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00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.000
to me about crop circles, and I wonder if it's
971
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.440
a similar thing here in these forests. We just never
972
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:41.760
hear about it because it's everything is covered by forest.
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00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.760
Is there's anomalies of people seeing orbs or lights or
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00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:49.239
getting weird feelings when they're in and around crop circles.
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00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:53.559
So if that's happening with just crops, what can you
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00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:56.159
do with stone and rocks that have energies in them
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00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:59.320
as well? And what kind of experiences good people have
978
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.320
because of all that that they're not even aware that
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the rock is there until now with all these these scams.
980
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:09.079
Yeah, exactly, And so who knows. I'm looking forward to it,
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and I'm gonna guess I'm gonna go out on a
982
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limb with Ricky there and say they're probably gonna find
983
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.840
pyramids there, like these things, these these ancient structures that
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00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.159
mirror other parts of the world around the same or
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00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.159
similar timeframes, And it wouldn't surprise me at all. If
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they find any of that stuff, or let's say, let's
987
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.760
say big chunks of that stuff, many many of those structures,
988
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:31.320
it wouldn't surprise me a single bit. We're gonna keep looking.
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00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:32.960
We're gonna keep, like I said, keep our ear of
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00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:34.599
the ground on this as it develops. But it's just
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00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.800
brand new. This hit the study hit it and was
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00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:39.000
released at the end of July. So here we are
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00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:42.239
early August talking about it. Love to hear your thoughts again.
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00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.000
I'm calling this so what is this called? Where the
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00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:48.800
map goes quiet medium places for other worldly beings talking
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about an ancient civilization in the Amazon jungle seven two eight, five, seven, six,
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nine three nine. Click to discord link at Troubleminds dot org.
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This is Troubled Minds by Michael strange Beer right. Fact,
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we had a bunch of people coming up from a
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Mike algorithm. We got looks like Daryl's gonna call in.
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Jen's on the line. Herschel Matsel got a full slight here.
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Thanks for being impatient, friends, be a right back. More
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Trouble Minds on the way. Do not go anywhere, and
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none of.
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This is Troubled Minds. Your host Michael Strange, the master
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of the mysterious, is here to guide you through the
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shadows of the unexplained.
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Welcome back to Troubled Minds. I'm your host, Michael Strange.
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All the places, all the things, YadA YadA, YadA YadA,
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Troubleminds dot Org. They're right there. You get the whole website,
1011
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:57.239
you get all the stuff, all the podcasts of these friends,
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00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:59.639
cast and cast and family and friends of that that
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00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:03.079
make this show. Go Troubled Mindsided reportside Friends. Tonight, we're
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00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:08.639
talking in ancient civilization, as yet unknown ancient civilization. It
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00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:12.920
was recently discovered in the Amazon jungle in the southwest, Okay.
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00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:16.280
So this is again sort of opposite of where the
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Mayans and the Incas and and this these these actual
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00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.400
the Aztecs where they were sort of doing their thing,
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00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:26.880
and then the northern more central Mexico part of this.
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It's incredible and literally they're saying two thousand years ago
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00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:34.719
is the estimate here, and that up to three million
1022
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:38.639
people lived there at one time wild and we're supposed
1023
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:41.199
to we've been led to believe, and it was it
1024
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:44.960
was the ongoing theory that the Amazon itself was never
1025
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:48.920
actually sort of conquered by people. It was the last
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00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:51.840
one of the most final wildernesses that has never been
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00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:54.760
conquered by by mankind. And now we're seeing that two
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00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:56.440
thousand years ago they found a way to do it.
1029
00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:59.599
And some of the evidence is compelling enough to suggest
1030
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.039
that maybe they planted a lot of these trees in
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00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:06.039
certain areas to feed themselves. It was not a natural
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00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:10.239
thing of just nature doing its thing. They were planting
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00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:12.880
fruit trees and nut trees to feed themselves and these
1034
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.559
these civilizational aspects in areas. So hey, look, I don't know,
1035
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:18.920
there's there's a suddenly you start to look at the
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00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:22.360
tree distribute distribution of what's happening down there, and maybe,
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00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:24.840
just maybe you can find by what trees are planted
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00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:27.599
where that leads you to some of these large civilizations.
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Thanks for being patient, friends, James, anything to add and
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then we'll go to uh. I think Darrel's on the line.
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00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:35.639
I think Darrel's up next. Now it's just looking forward
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00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.960
to all the cause you are the best. Seven oh
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00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:39.880
two eight, five, seven, six, nine, three nine. Click the
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00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.639
discord link of Troubleminds dot Org. Is Daryl there? Yes
1045
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:44.199
she is. Okay, let's go to Darrel in New York.
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Thanks for being patient. You're on trouble minds.
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How are you?
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00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:48.480
Thanks for jumping through some hoops. Go right ahead.
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00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:52.880
Hi, Hi, Hi Michael, great show, great topic. You know,
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I love these topics. I think that's so interesting about
1051
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:01.239
what you said about them planting trees. Listening to so
1052
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many different people right now, my lunch break, Jared Boosters.
1053
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These people that are doing a lot of research, I
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00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:11.239
kind of have to trust them because I'm not going
1055
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:14.599
to be able to explore all these places. And they
1056
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:18.360
have pictures, they have photographs, and they're doing these deep dives. Now,
1057
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.159
one of them has come up with this theory that
1058
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:27.000
they that we had a primidial forest both in America
1059
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:31.119
as well as in Europe, and that has been kind
1060
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:37.440
of systematically simultaneously cut down to put up farms and
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an industrial type of farming instead of this supposedly self
1062
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:46.559
sustaining forest that was planned. Even the explorers that went
1063
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:50.119
across the country said it was more like a garden
1064
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:55.400
than a wild savage forest. It was looked very planned
1065
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:59.880
and everything that was there seemed to be self sustaining
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00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.960
for a civilization to just help themselves. It was like
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free food and all the food basically you just you know,
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00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.519
it was like men to be eaten. And then you know,
1069
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:14.679
we processed in some mulch and you know the animals
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that would you know, uh, fertilize it, and the bees
1071
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and the birds and whatever. It was, you know, a
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00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.000
real food chain. And it was planned. And some of
1073
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:26.719
these trees had been there forever. You know, these were
1074
00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:29.159
it wasn't like they were just planned and it was
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00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:31.400
you know, these this was a system that was in
1076
00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:34.599
use for a long time. If if you've looked at
1077
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:38.000
the size of the trees that were cut down, let's say,
1078
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:41.719
to you know, make room for industrial farming, et cetera.
1079
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:46.079
And it didn't just happen in one country. It happened
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00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:49.400
all over the world. It seemed to be like a
1081
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:57.639
communication system was very very functional. Somehow, you know, how
1082
00:57:57.719 --> 00:57:59.960
could this happen here and not happen there? How can
1083
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:02.199
there be pyramids in one country or not any other?
1084
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:05.440
They're all over the place, have not be It's not
1085
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:06.320
a coincidence.
1086
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:07.719
It couldn't be.
1087
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:11.039
You know, none of this is a coincidence. So as
1088
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:14.760
soon as we seem to find something, there's some society
1089
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:18.880
of the preservation of history that shows up and doesn't
1090
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.960
let anybody explore any further because they have to make
1091
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.320
sure that we don't know or they get all the spoils,
1092
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:29.800
you know, of what's underneath everything? Why is there pyramids everywhere?
1093
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:32.960
Why are there tunnels everywhere? Why are there underground some
1094
00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:39.639
some sort of cities everywhere? Necropolis is underneath the streets.
1095
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:43.039
You know, this is not just in one country or Turkey.
1096
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:49.280
It's everywhere we have tunnels. So obviously this planet has
1097
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.519
seen global societies. I don't think good Land this was
1098
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.639
limited to one place. I think it was everywhere. And
1099
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.719
I'm just saying, what if these the elite or somebody
1100
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:04.119
is able to survive every cataclysm and pick up where
1101
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.199
things left off as soon as something bad happens, and
1102
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:11.400
then recreate themselves like what the Earth's heel, and then
1103
00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:17.239
suddenly repopulate everything. This is what I've been experiencing and
1104
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.800
thinking about. So of course there's stuff over there, and
1105
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:24.000
apparently there's a lot of fortunes to be made. What
1106
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:27.159
is to be found? Gold everywhere? What happened to the
1107
00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:31.199
price of gold? What happened to the economy? You know,
1108
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:34.199
what if there is gold everywhere to be just picked
1109
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:37.320
up in the Amazon. Everywhere you look and dig every
1110
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:41.119
pyramid that you dig up, there's going to be fortunes
1111
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:46.880
and riches beyond our wildest imaginations. What happens then, you know?
1112
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:47.800
And who gets that?
1113
00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:50.400
It's a hell of a point that there are real
1114
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:53.800
world considerations here. And what if they find the legendary
1115
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:56.840
city of El Dorado buried in one of these old civilizations,
1116
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.320
and like you said, maybe the structures are seen are
1117
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.039
made of solid what would that do to the global
1118
01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:05.119
gold economy? It would It could clearly not put a
1119
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:08.079
little dent. It would really turn upside down a bunch
1120
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:10.599
of things. And I'm not suggesting there's a four Knox
1121
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:13.719
everywhere out there, buried underground in some ancient civilization. But
1122
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:18.960
where do we find these actual spaces of gold? In
1123
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:21.760
one one place? I mean you look at you look
1124
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.000
at King Tut's tomb. It was full of gold. So
1125
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:27.039
even if it wasn't sort of a natural aspect of
1126
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:30.400
the area itself, massive gold mines or whatever, they certainly
1127
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:33.079
seem to collect it and bring it together for a
1128
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:36.199
great many reasons. And so so who knows there are
1129
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.239
true real world considerations when it comes to that stuff
1130
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:42.519
with the economic aspect of the modern day of cooking
1131
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:45.119
the books and certainly you can't uncook the books or
1132
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:47.480
well it's pandemonium, right.
1133
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:51.320
Or something like that, right, right, Apparently there was. I
1134
01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:53.800
think there's so much gold on the planet, but they
1135
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:58.599
wanted to make is scarce to increase their holdings. Perhaps,
1136
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:01.440
you know, maybe if they're holding the majority of it,
1137
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:06.320
then they maintain their you know, superiority and their control.
1138
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:11.119
I'm not sure, you know, I mean who they have
1139
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:13.679
to be able to survive. They're trying to be immortal,
1140
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:18.280
you know, obviously they have some knowledge from the past.
1141
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:21.239
You know, there's been resets. I think there was a reset.
1142
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:24.400
Jen just said something the other night that we've had
1143
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:27.400
the end of the world after a big cataclysm, and
1144
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:29.639
it doesn't take long for us to be living in
1145
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:33.159
the Stone Age. If we list all our technology, how
1146
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:36.559
many people would be around to remember how we did stuff?
1147
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:39.679
You know, how would we recreate all the technology we
1148
01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:42.639
have today? If it just decided if we just couldn't
1149
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:47.440
use electricity for another fifty years before it took to
1150
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:50.039
get it back, you know, even with the people with knowledge,
1151
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:53.079
how would they get back online? You know what, I
1152
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:56.440
think they've had the internet. I think the internet was
1153
01:01:56.519 --> 01:01:59.960
around way back. I think they've had ways of community
1154
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:04.679
kate instantly all over the planet. It looks like it,
1155
01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:09.320
it seems like it, you know. And again every time
1156
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:12.199
they look, there's not only are their buildings, but under
1157
01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:15.519
the buildings or tunnels in cities or some sort of
1158
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:20.039
necropolis with lots of you know, tunnels, miles and miles
1159
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:23.079
of tunnels. Apparently you could go from somebody said they
1160
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:27.960
went from New York to Florida all underground without using
1161
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:31.960
the Amtrak, So I don't know, you know, they weren't
1162
01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:35.559
using Amtrak. So I'm just saying there there's definitely something.
1163
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.719
Or when somebody said, how could they build these tunnels
1164
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:43.559
so deep without electricity? Now we're assuming they didn't have electricity,
1165
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.559
you know, we don't. We can't date them because we
1166
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:48.000
don't know. But who does that?
1167
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:48.480
Well?
1168
01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:51.719
Ants do that right? Ants can do it stuff and
1169
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:55.239
dig in the dark. What about these ant people? And
1170
01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:59.519
apparently the word for ant is ANNEUW And I forget
1171
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:03.159
what Naki was, but whatever it was, it's a new Knaki.
1172
01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:07.440
Maybe there are ant people and other beings that live
1173
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:11.159
under the ground to say anyway, in.
1174
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:14.480
The south Southwest Native Americans, there is a tradition where
1175
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:16.079
they have ant people that live under the ground.
1176
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:20.400
That's a real thing, right right, So who knows, you know,
1177
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:23.880
And maybe they build all these underground cities. They would
1178
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:26.199
know how to do that. They have the technology. Maybe
1179
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:29.360
they do do it without any tools because they're that,
1180
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:33.360
you know, skillful with their whatever antlight qualities.
1181
01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:33.760
That they have.
1182
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:36.239
It would answer quite a few questions, wouldn't it.
1183
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.480
Amen, Absolutely right, so far stuff. Thank you for being
1184
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:41.039
patient and jump through the hoops. What else you got?
1185
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:41.360
Go ahead?
1186
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Just I think you know why women to marry archaeologists, No,
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because they'll date anything.
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Indeed, I love It's fantastic, got another one.
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I think I'm done. I'm done.
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I appreciate you very much. Thanks again, always a pleasure,
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Thanks for calling, Thanks for contributing. Have a fantastic night.
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We'll talk to you soon.
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You too.
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Thank you, Daryl New York. You know you love a
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01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:09.920
good friend for a long time and very talented obviously.
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The cosmic comic of Troubled Minds Official by the way,
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official hashtag official and go get follow with Trouble Minds
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dot org. Forts my friend. Scroll down just a little bit.
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It is alphabetical. It says follow Daryl right there. Click that,
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I'll take you to her YouTube channel. She's a multi
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01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:26.400
talented Not only is she a great singer in English
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and French, she's the cosmic comic. As I said, she's
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got some stuff on more gallons and some paranormal stuff
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on her channel. Let's go give her a follow, join
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01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:35.559
the discord, come say hi to Darryl, and come hang
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out with these amazing people. Like I said, I cut
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people off and stuff in a really unnatural way as
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part of the show. But these people, I promise you
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I've known many of them for a very long time
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now in different capacities, and they are way more incredible
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than they are on this show, even though on this
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show they are hot fire. So come meet Daryl and
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all the rest of the amazing people that are part
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of this Troubleminds dot Org. Click the discord link on top. James,
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anything to add to that, and then we'll go to
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Algo Rhythm.
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This is amazing what we found underground.
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It is just need to be everywhere, and I mean again,
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not just cities, but just entire buildings or what would
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be a building, but it's it's basically just the inside
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of building underground.
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Which is always fascinating to me. So yeah, great call,
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great call.
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So far, absolutely and fantastic joke. I had never heard that.
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One seven two, eight, seven, six, nine three nine Click
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to discordingk at Troubleminds dot Org put you on the
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show today. We're talking to civilization. I'm calling it where
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the map goes quiet, medium places for otherworldly beings. Let's
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go to Mike and Colorado algorithm. What's up brother, You're
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on Trouble Minds. How are you tonight? And welcome back
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and go red ahead.
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Well, thank you, I appreciate the opportunity and an interesting topic.
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Thank you, glad to have you.
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I think the for me, I can just say.
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Control all delete because I think if you, if people
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know what control all delete used to do to a computer.
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It seems from.
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Everything I've experienced in the past fifteen years that simulation
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theory is probably the most accurate. And those structures that
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they found, even buildings that we say we can't build
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today in pyramids and all these things seem to be
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civilizations clearly gone by with no explanation other than resets.
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I'm the latest probably be about eighteen sixty one in
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my estimation. But what I find interesting about that and
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simulation theory with that is we're here now dealing with
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our reality and media and all of these things want
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to continually bring us back to things that have long
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gone by that we can't do anything about, and even
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if we knew everything about them, they wouldn't change our
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current here and now. And that's what I find most
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interesting is I love your show, and I love WU
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01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.400
and I like people to talk about these things. But
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let's say we found out exactly what they were doing
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then in the Amazon and the technology that they took
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to build it. I don't think that would get us
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on board any better than we're doing right now, and
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I don't think it would help our future.
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And I love where your mind's out here, and it
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mirrors what Daryl said too about the gold. So if
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they're let's say, let's say again out on a lamb
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here up the if cliff, way up high. But if
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there was some sort of actual ancient technology that is
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free energy, you know, sort of a Tesla type of
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energy like they've suggested with the Pyramids, I'm not saying
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it's real. I'd say, what if we find that? Certainly,
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like just like we if we found the city of
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El Dorado and everything in the Amazon was just gold, gold,
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gold everywhere you looked, it would turn the world economy
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upside down. But the same thing goes with energy, The
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same thing goes with technology. The same thing goes with
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a lot of these things that we're always talking about
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in terms of what's covered up and why in that
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artificial scarcity. It's a world we live in and it's
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it's phony and it's fake, and we recognize it and
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we talk about it. So it's a I don't think
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it's a a misfire to bring that up, because I
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think you're onto something here.
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Yeah, and I go to Coral Gables in Florida, Sorry
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about that, And there are eyewitness reports of technology that
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he used to build Coral Gables that could totally could
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transform our entire world. But if you've seen the guy
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that made the hydrogen fuel cell for his car in
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the late seventies and Tucker and even free energy that's
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now available today that guy's making in their little garages,
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I don't think the force that's in charge right now is.
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Going to not kill you if you figure that out.
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I'm pretty certain that when you do find a revolutionary
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technology or an abundance of gold that could crash the
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world banks, that you're not going to be able to
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spend it, because it seems that we have clandest agencies everywhere,
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way more than I ever imagined in numbers in all
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over the realm that want this place to be a
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prison planet. A maybe not prison plants not the right word,
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but it's an energy harvest of humans. We're being we're domesticated,
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and they harvest our energy, and so I find it
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fascinating that these things exist. I do wonder if simulation
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isn't the real thing. But in the meantime, until we
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can grab our energy back and not give it to them,
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I don't know where we're headed with these things, you
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know what I mean?
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Yeah, one hundred percent? Like how much of this really
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does matter? And to add to what you said, there
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are some things we can learn from our pastors know about,
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no doubt about that. However, like you're describing, are we
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going to find some kind of actual breakthrough that will
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change the way we live today? I'm not so sure
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that's the case. It'll make for a plethora of trouble
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mind shows in the future. But again, you know, we're
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just we're just kind of riffing here and talking about
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ideas and whatnot. And again what Darre brought up with
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the gold and you with the energy and some of
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this whole technology, You're right, there are bottlenecks in place,
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and there are there are things that they will not
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let us do and borders we cannot cross because it's
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been determined that the power brokers in place will continue
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to be the power brokers in place by penalty of death.
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And I think that's that's pretty well proven over the years.
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You look at the wards and all the things you
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want to you want me to do a whole paper
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up on that, I'll do it. But it's there. There's
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a lot of information and data to suggest that's the case.
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And uh, kudos to you for bringing it up. I
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missed that entirely. And maybe this is this is really
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where this will head us. I don't know, maybe not,
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I don't know. We'll see what happens.
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Right well, sure, and I'd say for anybody out there
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who does pursue these things, and if you do find
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an energy source, you can harness, don't. It's not your
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01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:54.880
job to give it to the world. If you find it,
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it's your job to use it for yourself. The guy
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that you're pretty familiar with Coral Gables, I'm sure he
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made that. And he didn't tell anybody what he was doing,
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why he was doing it. He didn't go and say, okay,
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01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:10.319
look you can do this too. He did none of
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01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:12.680
that stuff. He just made it and it was his
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and who knows why. And I think that's the way
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01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:18.079
to go about it. As much as that sounds selfish,
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01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:23.760
it's really not. It's self preservation. And I look at
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01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:28.239
the natural world is mostly my teacher, So self defense
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01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:31.000
is an inherent function in this realm.
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01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:35.680
A rose has thorns for that reason. If you find something.
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01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:39.800
Really incredible that makes your life free and easy, maybe
1343
01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:41.920
share with a couple of friends in your family.
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01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:44.399
That only people you trust people they won't help.
1345
01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:47.319
Yeah, if you think you need to change the world
1346
01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:49.760
with it, you're gonna be a footnote in history and
1347
01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:52.560
it's not going to do any good. So but I
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01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:54.640
will tell you the one thing I love about your
1349
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:58.760
show is that you can get an article and it
1350
01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:01.239
can lead to all these amazing conversations with all these
1351
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:02.239
great people who join you.
1352
01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:04.520
So thank you for that and thank you for being
1353
01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:06.840
part of it. Fire stuff as always and bringing angles.
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01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:08.439
I didn't think of That's the whole point. I'm going
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01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:10.000
to think of a lot of things. But I'm just me,
1356
01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:12.840
I'm me, You're you, but together we're us and that's
1357
01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:15.079
a powerful thing. Appreciate you very much. Thanks for staying
1358
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:17.119
in here, thanks for being patient, and just thanks for
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01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:19.680
being you. And Friday works best for me, if that's.
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Okay, Okay, yep, absolutely, we'll do that.
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Okay, So I will be on Friday night on Algorithms
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01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:27.880
Show and we'll be talking about stuff. So we'll have
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01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:31.319
an extra trouble Binds Slash algorithm Show on Friday night
1364
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:34.039
and where we get together and talk and looking forward
1365
01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:35.159
to it. Let me know if you need me to
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01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:37.399
bring anything prepared. If not, I'll just show up with
1367
01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:39.640
some beer and kicking with my bud Mike.
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01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:41.399
Just yourself, my friend.
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01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:43.159
You got it, You got it. Appreciate it very much.
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Take care, take care of James.
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Thanks for the invite well, looking forward to that. Seven
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O two eighty five seven six nine three nine Click
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the discord link at Troublemindes dot org will put you
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01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:54.520
on the show thanks to algorithm. Troubleminds dot org. Forard
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01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:56.359
side friends, click that, scroll down a little bit. It
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01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:59.119
says follow algorithm. It's alphabetical. He's the first one on
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01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:01.479
the list. Give Mike al following all the places, and
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01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:04.279
he's doing great work over there. And that's the point
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01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:06.880
of it. People talking to each other. And look, look
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at all the great angles that have come out of
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this that I didn't even consider. That's the point. That's
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why people talking to each other are so paramount. Seven
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on two eight, five, seven, six, nine, three nine. Click
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01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:17.359
the discord link of Trouble Minds trying to rush through
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01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:20.119
this to get everybody in Matt's how Matthew in California,
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you're on Trouble Minds. How are you, sir? We got
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01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:23.760
about four and a half minutes left, five minutes and
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01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:25.359
then you're welcome to stay after the break if you've
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01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:27.680
got any wrap around, but welcome. Thanks for being patient.
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How are you sir? In correct? Head?
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01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:32.319
Hey Mike, good job, thank you, thank you.
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Yeah.
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01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:36.640
I just wanted to call. I wanted to talk about this.
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I like this kind of stuff.
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Good articles and I hope we do find more stuff
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with these, the ground penetrating radars and stuff like that,
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or the the midar.
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So it's good to find these kind of things.
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But what I call it I was talking about, so
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maybe not the same place, but some of the more
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like these ancient civilizations and well the things.
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That we don't know about this one that we just
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01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:06.119
recently found. But let's talk about what we do know.
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And so some of these places. A lot of this
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information that.
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I'm getting from is from these Zacharist Tension books. So
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this is coming from Zachwist Tension. It's the fourth book
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in the series of the Earth Chronicles, and it's called
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the Lost Realms. It's talking about how in the beginning
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there was a god called Vera Cooca, and he arranged
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four brothers and four sisters to roam the land and
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bring the civilization to the people. And in all these
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stories it talks about how the god gave him this.
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Some stories it's a staff, some stories as a want,
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but in some stories it's a splendorous scepter. And these
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peoples went out with that golden staff and found the
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place to mark for their cities. And so how the
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tale of Cuzco came Now Cusco was the capital of
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the Incan capital, and.
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That's how it was formed.
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When one of the guys, Marco Capec he struck a
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stone with a magical staff, and it spoke to him
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and it selected him as the ruler of the kingdom.
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And this is through that golden staff, and lots of
1425
01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:28.640
stories with that, lots of stories with either a.
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Golden staff or a scepter or a wand that was
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01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:36.600
made to mark the land where the cities were built.
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So let's talk about that. What if what if these
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cities that were being built were this one that we found.
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We talked about lay lines, places of power. Maybe maybe
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there is something going on there. What do you think
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about that?
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01:15:52.039 --> 01:15:55.399
Yeah, definitely that type of thing in particular. And if
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you see you're you're watching the graphics that I put up,
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I was thinking that too when I put this together.
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It did remind any of the idea of crop circles
1437
01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.119
and lay lines and sort of that aspect and not
1438
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:06.399
just these other worldly beings, but maybe just maybe this
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01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:11.800
is a power spot that for some reason decayed. Again.
1440
01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:14.560
You know, we've got a mysterious civilization that was millions
1441
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of people. Supposedly they just snap your fingers and they're
1442
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all gone. I mean, surely they all didn't just die
1443
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at the same time. That's ridiculous. There's no known cataclysm there.
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01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:26.560
They say a drought and climate change. But yeah, fire stuff,
1445
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:29.760
and I think you're got another fire angle. Here was
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01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:33.439
Veracoca and how this looks. And also he came to
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01:16:33.479 --> 01:16:35.720
mind when I was putting this together for that exact reason,
1448
01:16:36.159 --> 01:16:38.600
and as part of the primordial nature spirit or the
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01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:41.640
communion with nature itself, he was certainly one of the
1450
01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:46.239
catalysts in the Central and South American mythologies one hundred percent.
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Yeah, I wonder about that, the places, and I wonder
1452
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:53.439
too about what are these people?
1453
01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:56.119
You know, we think these people the same thing with
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the Egyptians.
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01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:00.560
We always were told in our history books these people
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were like primitive Neanderthals and they didn't really know anything.
1457
01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:09.439
But here come to find out they they were very religious.
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01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:16.079
They're very spiritual. They have practices and rituals and all
1459
01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:19.000
these things. And so I wonder if my theory, and
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01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:22.279
this is my theory, what I believe is that these
1461
01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:29.319
people were able to ascend like divinely and that's why
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01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:31.359
they all disappeared kind of like a some sort of
1463
01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:34.760
like maybe like a rapture moment, like they were able
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to ascend and leave this earth behind.
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That's why they all left it once.
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That's just my personal opinion, no evidence for it, but
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I wonder if they were just so connected to the
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gods that they were able to go to a higher
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01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:51.000
dimension or.
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Something at very atlantis like Darre brought up and like
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Ricky brought up too. I mean, they're like, who knows,
1472
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Like this is the type of stuff that if they
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vanished and they're gone, there's's got to be some actual
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01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:03.159
way to track that down. And I don't know. I
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don't know those answers, but I do know that it's
1476
01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:07.960
it's fascinating to me to sort of learn about these
1477
01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:10.760
new mysterious places, and this is certainly one of them.
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01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:12.039
We're kind of at that weird spot. So if you
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if you've got more, you're welcome to day. If you're finished,
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a final thought and wrap it up, appreciate you very much,
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thanks for jumping in here.
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I would like to say I want to talk more
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about some more cities, if that's okay, Yeah, of course, of.
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Course, thank you. Of course, No thank you. You are
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the best. Matsow Temple off theeol dot com. Check out
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his podcast that's where you find him and all the
1487
01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:31.760
great work he's doing. And we're going to hear more
1488
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:33.840
from him when we come back. Virea coaches a great,
1489
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:36.199
a great way into this and we're talking about I'm
1490
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:39.279
calling this where the map goes quiet meeting places for
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01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:41.960
other worldly beings. And of course we're talking about this place,
1492
01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:46.119
this pre colonial earthwork in southwest Amazonia where they found
1493
01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:50.960
not twenty thousand plus in three percent of the Amazon
1494
01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:54.239
through light our scans. And I'm telling you it's a
1495
01:18:54.279 --> 01:18:56.520
wild thing to consider, and that's why we're talking about it.
1496
01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:58.359
So what do you know, how weird does this get?
1497
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How far back does it go? And letes that surprise
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01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:05.000
you that we were told that the Amazon itself was
1499
01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:11.279
sort of the final vestige of conquering nature. It had
1500
01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:15.920
never been inhabited directly except in some sparseerious spots. You know,
1501
01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:17.560
we've talked about this in the past quite a lot.
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01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:21.159
It's been covered quite a lot historically. However, now we're
1503
01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:24.640
talking two thousand years ago, somewhere between one and three
1504
01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:29.159
million people, and they've they've upgraded the number of buildings
1505
01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:33.600
or structures they've found to plus twenty thousand. What the
1506
01:19:33.640 --> 01:19:35.680
hell's going on? If you got back? More Trouble Minds
1507
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:38.119
coming up. I'm Michael Strange. Catch you on the other
1508
01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:41.039
side of the break. We've got Jenny Missouri herschel Sterling,
1509
01:19:41.119 --> 01:19:44.960
We've got Jacob Harsher Boy more from Matt's Alan Dre
1510
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:46.840
calls as well. Don't go anywhere, see you on the
1511
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:51.680
other side of the break, be right back. Which button
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01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:52.960
toeck pussure. I got this one first.
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You're tuning into Troubled Minds, the show where mystery knows
1514
01:20:07.159 --> 01:20:11.319
no bounds. Stay tuned for revelations that'll keep you questioning
1515
01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:12.960
the fabric of reality.
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01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:17.920
Three percent.
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That's all.
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We looked at something down there is still counting the
1519
01:20:24.119 --> 01:20:30.680
other ninety seven We thought we were reading it. It
1520
01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:34.319
was reading back. They took some of it off the map,
1521
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:38.640
not to lose it, to keep it. You are looking
1522
01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:41.920
at the message. You have always been looking at the message.
1523
01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:48.479
Nothing down here was ever lost. You just weren't the
1524
01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:49.319
one it answered to.
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01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:12.520
Welcome out to Trouble Minds. All the places, all the things,
1526
01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:15.279
YadA YadA, Troubleminds dot Org, click all the stuff, follow
1527
01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:18.039
all our friends. Tonight we're talking. But this is a
1528
01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:21.560
wild thing, right. You're told that the Amazon jungle itself
1529
01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:25.079
had been unconquered. It was one of the final places
1530
01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:29.079
that humans had not really encroached on the primordial wilderness
1531
01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:31.439
per se. But it turns out that's not the truth
1532
01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:34.119
at all. New light our scans have suggested that a
1533
01:21:34.279 --> 01:21:37.119
civilization has been found that's two thousand years old and
1534
01:21:37.399 --> 01:21:40.680
arbored somewhere between one and three million people. And that's
1535
01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:44.199
scanning three percent of the entire Amazon. So what the
1536
01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:46.960
hell else is out there? And how far back does
1537
01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:48.840
this go? Like I said, it's got very much Garden
1538
01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:51.720
of Eden vibes, It's got very much you know, avatar
1539
01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:55.439
vibes that varicocha As Matsaw was talking about. This is
1540
01:21:55.479 --> 01:22:00.000
a wild space. It is the frontier of not just archaeology, anthropology.
1541
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:02.479
And how far back does it go in terms of
1542
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:05.520
these primordial nature spirits that I love to think about
1543
01:22:05.560 --> 01:22:08.439
and talk about. But then what about the layers? I mean,
1544
01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:10.960
how long has this civilization been here? We see the
1545
01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:14.319
topological aspect of it with the light our scans, But
1546
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:16.760
what if it's been built on over tens of thousands
1547
01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:19.239
of years, and these people have been here forever. I'm
1548
01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:22.560
just saying, spitballing thinking about this a little differently, and
1549
01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:25.399
what about their funerary practices. Do you think it's possible
1550
01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:30.479
they actually mummified people just like the Egyptians. The plot
1551
01:22:30.520 --> 01:22:33.000
thickens seven two eighty seven six nine three nine. Click
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01:22:33.039 --> 01:22:35.479
to discording like a troubleminds dot Org Matsal Back to you,
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01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:38.119
Viracocha and everything else. You got to thank for being patient.
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01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:41.239
Welcome back, go right head, sir, Thank.
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01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:43.640
You, Mike. Yeah, I did want to talk about that,
1556
01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:46.760
and I'm talking about how, like we don't know this
1557
01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:49.880
new place that they're finding. Obviously no one's been there
1558
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:56.520
yet to archaeologally discover it. But I'm using references of
1559
01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:59.319
like Incun's and the Mayans to kind of describe maybe
1560
01:22:59.479 --> 01:23:01.640
what we might I find when we do find this
1561
01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:04.399
if we do go into the city, and how these
1562
01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:09.359
people were spiritually in like they're very much in tune
1563
01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:14.199
with nature and the gods. So back to talking about Cusco,
1564
01:23:14.319 --> 01:23:18.399
the ancient the Incan capital, and talking about how first
1565
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:22.600
it was found by using a golden staff or a
1566
01:23:22.720 --> 01:23:25.960
wand from a god to find the site and then
1567
01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:29.920
how they built it. So when the Spaniards entered Cusco
1568
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:34.039
and Incan capital, they found a metropolis with some one
1569
01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:39.359
hundred thousand dwelling houses surrounding a royal religious center of
1570
01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:46.680
magnificent temples, palaces, gardens and marketplaces situated between the two
1571
01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:51.520
streams at the elevation of eleven five hundred feet. The
1572
01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:53.920
city was divided into twelve wards.
1573
01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:56.760
Now check this out. It was divided into twelve wards,
1574
01:23:57.279 --> 01:24:00.720
a number that puzzled the Spaniards. It was arranged in
1575
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:05.199
oval and the first ward where where they built this
1576
01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:06.399
started to build the city with.
1577
01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:11.359
That gold wand it was called the kneeling Terrace. It
1578
01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:15.720
was located in the slope of the northwest. That's where
1579
01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:20.319
the first Incans were building those palaces. All the wards
1580
01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:25.960
for picturesque names, the speaking Place, the Terrence of Flowers,
1581
01:24:26.600 --> 01:24:30.520
the Sacred Gate, and so on. So I think it's
1582
01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:34.000
interesting that so they separated their city into twelve they
1583
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:38.239
called wards or twelve sections. Each one was named kind
1584
01:24:38.279 --> 01:24:41.479
of cool. I wonder what those all mean. The sacred Gate,
1585
01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:45.399
those types of things. I'm talking about, how they were
1586
01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:47.840
very like religious in the way they built these cities,
1587
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:51.720
and one of the palaces at the time it had
1588
01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:55.720
it was a palace that they all worshiped this giant
1589
01:24:57.039 --> 01:25:00.399
like they worshiped idols, and they had this giant in there,
1590
01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:04.079
called the Holy of Holies. It was this giant sun
1591
01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:10.000
shaped disc of gold, and they worshiped this us, this idol,
1592
01:25:10.119 --> 01:25:14.319
this sun disc made out of gold. And of course
1593
01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:17.439
it's not there anymore, but in this shrine. Then they
1594
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:19.199
sacrificed animals.
1595
01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:20.319
To it, to the gods.
1596
01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:26.119
But another thing was weird is that when the when
1597
01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:31.119
the Spanishers came there to them, to them, the Mayans,
1598
01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:34.079
they didn't gold wasn't worth anything. It wasn't worth money,
1599
01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:37.560
It had no monetary value. What they believed is that
1600
01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:44.000
it was like crystallized liquid secretions from the gods, like
1601
01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:47.680
the God's tears and the God's blood. And to them,
1602
01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:51.319
the gold was everywhere. It was already out in the water.
1603
01:25:52.119 --> 01:25:53.720
So they use that to.
1604
01:25:55.279 --> 01:25:59.600
Plate their houses and plate their temples and build these giant,
1605
01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:04.920
these giant things, idols of worship, and everything was made
1606
01:26:04.920 --> 01:26:08.680
out of gold. Their forks, their plates, their knives, everything
1607
01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:09.760
they had was madeut of gold.
1608
01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:11.279
They didn't think of it as money.
1609
01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:14.640
Now, when the Spaniards came, of course they saw all
1610
01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:18.319
the money, so they took all that gold. They put
1611
01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:20.880
it in these They filled up this giant palace with
1612
01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:23.479
all their gold, so all their plates and forks, and
1613
01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:27.640
all their little animal trinkets and all their holy relics
1614
01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:32.640
made out of gold medallions. Who knows what else we saw,
1615
01:26:32.760 --> 01:26:35.640
like the clocks, like the mine clockman, you know, sun
1616
01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:38.000
dials and stuff like that made out of gold on
1617
01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:40.359
the food in there. They put it on a boat,
1618
01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:43.680
they took it back to England and they smelted it
1619
01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:47.199
all down into gold ingots for the king and queen.
1620
01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:52.319
And what what trusted me out about that is what
1621
01:26:52.560 --> 01:26:55.720
did we lose that we can never get back?
1622
01:26:55.960 --> 01:26:58.640
Yeah, totally, totally. They think of like the mask of
1623
01:26:58.680 --> 01:27:00.920
Aga Mevnon or something to matter, they melted that down.
1624
01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:05.359
That type of stuff like literal the past of our
1625
01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:08.920
archaeological space that may have been passed down generations and
1626
01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:11.199
hundreds of years and even further than we ever would
1627
01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:13.960
like to dream. And in this case we're talking thousands
1628
01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:16.319
of years. Like we were told that the Incins and
1629
01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:18.920
the Demayans and the Aztecs were you know, hundreds of
1630
01:27:19.039 --> 01:27:22.000
years old, but not thousands of years old, and so
1631
01:27:22.159 --> 01:27:24.880
suddenly this is turning on its head with this. And then,
1632
01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:26.760
of course, like I said, that link to the Kantiki
1633
01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:29.840
expeditions of throw Hir Doll and maybe this all came
1634
01:27:29.880 --> 01:27:33.520
from the ancient East anyway, maybe this is all the
1635
01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:37.760
connected space of Atlantis of the mind, right, these these
1636
01:27:37.840 --> 01:27:41.640
ancient places that were all over as Daryl very smartly
1637
01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:43.760
pointed out that maybe there wasn't one Atlantis, there were
1638
01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:46.199
dozens and they were all over the damn world. And
1639
01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:52.399
maybe that's why it's sort of a worldwide mind space
1640
01:27:52.520 --> 01:27:54.880
still to this day. I don't know, just a thought.
1641
01:27:56.640 --> 01:27:57.520
Yeah, man, good show.
1642
01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:00.039
I think. I hope we find more. I hope we
1643
01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:02.399
find more stuff with the light r. I hope we
1644
01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:04.560
go looking for it. I hope we can can find
1645
01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:07.600
some stuff that answers those questions that we have. What
1646
01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:10.439
were they doing, what gods are they worshiping?
1647
01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:10.840
And how?
1648
01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:14.720
And then also, don't forget the light our stuff.
1649
01:28:14.399 --> 01:28:18.199
That was happening when they the underground cities in Egypt
1650
01:28:18.520 --> 01:28:22.039
under the Pyramids. So let's continue doing that kind of stuff.
1651
01:28:22.079 --> 01:28:24.439
Let's look for it and hopefully find some good stuff.
1652
01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:27.279
Thanks my good show an brother. We'd be preppreciate the call.
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01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:28.760
The fire stuff as always, you know what me love them.
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That is again Temple Ofthil dot com, Matsyle affectionately Matthew
1655
01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:35.239
and California fire Takes and Viacocha was part of this
1656
01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:38.800
because you know me, in my primordial nature spirit fascination,
1657
01:28:38.920 --> 01:28:41.800
I think there's this idea that goes back deep, deep,
1658
01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:44.880
deep to deep time, and we've been worshiping these same
1659
01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:47.680
entities forever. A whole other show for another time. We'll
1660
01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:49.680
talk about it then, but Viacoacha came to mind as
1661
01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:51.720
part of this cool coocan and some of these other
1662
01:28:52.039 --> 01:28:54.840
these entities they were space lizards. I mean, these were
1663
01:28:54.920 --> 01:28:57.000
things that were kind of moving in and out of
1664
01:28:57.039 --> 01:29:01.359
our our space and into other realms per se. But anyway,
1665
01:29:01.600 --> 01:29:03.680
I digress. Thank you for all the great calls tonight.
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01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:05.439
We're going to go one more segment tonight to get
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01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:09.239
everybody in, so please make sure we don't go way
1668
01:29:09.319 --> 01:29:11.560
too long. Let's get everybody in here, but we'll go
1669
01:29:11.640 --> 01:29:13.439
in extra thirty minutes to make sure we get everybody
1670
01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:15.640
in tonight. Thanks for all the enthusiasm for the conversations.
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01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:18.199
Jen coming up next to give you guys the order
1672
01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:20.760
gens up next. Then we got Herschel that it's Jacob
1673
01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:23.840
and it's Kelly or Kelly than Jacob, but I don't know.
1674
01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:26.279
We'll coin flip, but hang tight, we will get to
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01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:27.800
all of you. I'll go extra thirty minutes to make
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01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:29.800
sure we get everybody in James anything to add, and
1677
01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:31.760
then we'll go to Jen on the line in Missary.
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01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:35.439
Yeah, I think all those.
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01:29:37.119 --> 01:29:41.239
Those those beings that you know, whether whatever you want
1680
01:29:41.279 --> 01:29:43.880
to think of them, those could be the other world
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01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:47.159
be beings, and there could be others. I mean again,
1682
01:29:47.359 --> 01:29:50.960
these places haven't been excavated yet, so wouldn't it be
1683
01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:53.880
amazing to find out there were other other wilthy beings
1684
01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:55.159
that we haven't even heard about yet.
1685
01:29:55.600 --> 01:29:57.319
But a great call so far. I'm looking forward to
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the rest.
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You were the man seven two eight five, seven, six
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01:29:59.800 --> 01:30:02.039
nine three nine Click to discord link at Troubleminds dot RT.
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01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:03.680
We'll put you on the show just like this. Let's
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01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:05.840
go to the phone lines. Janna Missouri, the ar kandobserver.
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01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:07.880
You're on Trouble Minds. How are you? Tonight's all years?
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01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:08.439
Go right ahead?
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01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:11.159
Hey, can you hear me, okay and clear.
1694
01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:14.800
So I mean the entire system we're living in, the
1695
01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:18.199
environment we're living in, it seems like it's designed to
1696
01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:21.560
just take in information, like any kind of information that's
1697
01:30:21.560 --> 01:30:26.720
available everything, and it's that every single biological all biological
1698
01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:31.039
life forms are arranged to not just communicate with other
1699
01:30:31.119 --> 01:30:36.319
biological life forms, but they're communicating also with the you know,
1700
01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:42.159
the chemical invisible system, through with humans, the indercant system,
1701
01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:45.840
and a great deal communication on throw a magnetic level,
1702
01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:48.880
you know, between all the different species and root systems
1703
01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:52.039
and everything that is behind the matter that causes it
1704
01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:57.479
to move and communicate in the system we have if
1705
01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:01.399
we do have a situation where and it appears to
1706
01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:03.560
be the case if you look at the Mayans, and
1707
01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:06.720
you look at Easter Island, and you look at any
1708
01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:10.359
other example from around the entire planet about how there's
1709
01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:16.479
a constant cyclical it doesn't pread me typlical experience occurring
1710
01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:20.760
where people have to retell a story about what happened
1711
01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:23.279
and they want to hold on to that world tradition.
1712
01:31:24.439 --> 01:31:28.880
That's because the world hasn't ended yet. Because all of
1713
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:31.279
the information we're communicating to each other all the time,
1714
01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:35.840
like everything we've heard in our current history strand is
1715
01:31:35.880 --> 01:31:40.279
from this era. It's from this most current reset, and
1716
01:31:40.359 --> 01:31:43.279
all that information is from there. But at the most
1717
01:31:43.439 --> 01:31:48.520
deepest biological level, there is a memory that's sewn in
1718
01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:54.720
to the DNA and the entire program of the world
1719
01:31:54.760 --> 01:31:58.359
we're living in, including ourselves, and that information is coming
1720
01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:02.039
from the original root system. So if you think about
1721
01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:07.600
like reptilians, for example, let's just use that for an example.
1722
01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:11.800
And at this point it's become kind of, you know,
1723
01:32:12.199 --> 01:32:17.079
ridiculous that people as a conspiracy theory essentially is the idea.
1724
01:32:17.239 --> 01:32:19.119
Now I'm not saying that optillions are real. I'm saying
1725
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:23.560
that there is a primordial species origin source and that
1726
01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:27.720
humanity is descending through carrying the DNA that's been altered
1727
01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:32.720
every single time that there has been a reset. Cosmically,
1728
01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:36.560
like say, there is a cosmic reset that if you
1729
01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:38.600
look up at the sky, if here to come into
1730
01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:41.680
the world, just fresh the daisy, the first thing you
1731
01:32:41.680 --> 01:32:46.800
would notice is that the sky the impact of the
1732
01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:49.199
world around you, but you would notice the stars and
1733
01:32:49.359 --> 01:32:51.640
the systems and all the information that's trying to tell you.
1734
01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:54.800
And at some point people figured out that there was
1735
01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:56.840
some kind of information we gathered from all of that,
1736
01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:03.720
and they created these things credible time space. This incredible
1737
01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:07.159
space and time information that we're still getting to to stay.
1738
01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:11.520
But we are not all we are because we just
1739
01:33:11.640 --> 01:33:16.479
came into the world this way. The species of humanity
1740
01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:20.520
and the subconscious watcher that is observing everything that you
1741
01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:24.600
are not is put there. You're just a plan to
1742
01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:29.079
be sure that everything that can be conceivably conveyed it
1743
01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:33.960
and you're driven by this is my opinion, you're driven
1744
01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:39.279
by the experience is previous to your blood to continue
1745
01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:43.560
to act upon or go against or whatever. But your
1746
01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:48.960
whole experience is being recorded and nothing goes nowhere. So
1747
01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:54.680
the moment you do, for example, extinguish the flame, all
1748
01:33:54.720 --> 01:33:58.039
of that information goes directly back in the system. But
1749
01:33:58.119 --> 01:34:00.279
it's already been the system. But there's a hyper a
1750
01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:03.960
harvest idea, there's a cosmic harvest idea that there's a
1751
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:07.760
if there is a singularity to be reached, ever so
1752
01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:12.159
often it has to get it. So like everything's going
1753
01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:15.319
on for thousands and thousands of years and then it
1754
01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:18.520
collapses in on itself and it's like a balloon that pops.
1755
01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:22.720
But it's like the self imposed vacuum is designed by
1756
01:34:22.760 --> 01:34:26.239
the cosmos that record the information. If you look at
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01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:32.000
nature as it fits, it doesn't. It abides by a
1758
01:34:32.119 --> 01:34:38.479
singular focus of continuing the cycle regardless, and the information
1759
01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:44.079
is reborn again even every single time, and it's improved
1760
01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:47.920
upon every time that it happens. If people try to
1761
01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:54.720
manipulate the system by keeping really good records and good
1762
01:34:55.039 --> 01:35:00.800
oral records and using language and symbols and information and
1763
01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:05.199
computers or whatever they may want to do, they're attempting
1764
01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:10.680
to survive something like a harve it you only get,
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01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:15.760
you know. I would think that the underground bunkers and
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01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:21.399
all of the particular paths that they research at the
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01:35:22.079 --> 01:35:25.720
medical and scientific level are all kind of actually guided
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01:35:26.359 --> 01:35:29.359
by this idea that this might be something conceivable. I
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01:35:29.399 --> 01:35:33.119
don't know if it's necessarily as devastating as it appears
1770
01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:35.880
to be, but they do want to come out on top.
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01:35:36.199 --> 01:35:38.880
Would be the idea, and hoping to kind of rule
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01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:42.399
over the ashes. I'm talking about the elite that are
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01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:45.800
gatekeeping all of this information about where humanity comes from
1774
01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:50.239
and what will happen If people knew that this is
1775
01:35:51.079 --> 01:35:56.039
a timeline and that it could possibly you know, after
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01:35:56.960 --> 01:36:00.319
a billion years or something like that, probably not that much,
1777
01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:04.319
but who knows. If it's going to the circle will
1778
01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:07.760
come back around to itself again and something very unusual
1779
01:36:07.880 --> 01:36:12.079
will happen. Yeah, life will survive, but not but you know,
1780
01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:15.319
whoever is alive at that time, the you and me
1781
01:36:15.479 --> 01:36:19.279
may not survive, but the information will go forward that
1782
01:36:19.399 --> 01:36:23.319
sort of you know, with certainty. And then the idea
1783
01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:27.399
that we may be the actual vessels of that primordial
1784
01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:34.560
being to say there is some sort of original demon
1785
01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:38.760
or angel or reptile being at the beginning of time
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01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:42.560
when humanity was coming into the world. I should not
1787
01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:47.399
say human like intelligence is coming into the world, you know,
1788
01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:50.600
like that's the wrong way to put it to So
1789
01:36:50.720 --> 01:36:52.920
you have the intelligence of the entire world around you,
1790
01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:56.119
but then this self awareness. I don't know if the
1791
01:36:56.159 --> 01:36:57.680
plants are feeling this way too, but like, you know,
1792
01:36:57.760 --> 01:37:00.399
the idea that there's some sort of a watcher effect
1793
01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:04.960
observer effect. I don't know if the other species are
1794
01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:07.600
doing the same thing. But whatever was at the very
1795
01:37:07.640 --> 01:37:10.680
beginning that had communication with all of the species on
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01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:14.359
the planet is still inside of us, and it's survived
1797
01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:19.159
all this time by adapting or changing and so within us,
1798
01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:21.520
if you were to go through that part of yourself,
1799
01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:25.880
you don't know, like the subconscious mind it comes out
1800
01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:28.960
in sleep or in hypnotic states and things like that.
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01:37:30.199 --> 01:37:36.000
It knows this information hypothetically going back because it's been
1802
01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:38.800
retaining it. And we know that that it's true because
1803
01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:41.520
DNA is carrying everything that it needed necessarily to get
1804
01:37:41.560 --> 01:37:47.600
to this point. So we are a map. If you
1805
01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:50.760
were to take anything living right now, it's a map
1806
01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:54.079
of what has been and what it took to get
1807
01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:58.800
to hear. And so I think as far as going
1808
01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:01.279
back to the forest, actually I'm done with that. I
1809
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:03.640
think that that's I mean, that's my point. I think
1810
01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:10.439
that there is we talk about aliens or demons or reptiles,
1811
01:38:10.479 --> 01:38:15.279
they're inside of us. We've evolved like we have come
1812
01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:19.680
from that, and the stories are telling the past about
1813
01:38:19.720 --> 01:38:23.159
what has happened, and there's an attempt to somehow get
1814
01:38:23.239 --> 01:38:26.960
out of this cyclical process. The elites of the world
1815
01:38:27.159 --> 01:38:31.039
have all of that information and they use it to
1816
01:38:31.159 --> 01:38:36.119
make sure that they survive, but then they're also gatekeeping
1817
01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:38.840
all the information so that people don't live their life
1818
01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:41.600
that they're supposed to live, and that in itself is
1819
01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:47.960
retarding the force forward because they are trying to They're
1820
01:38:48.079 --> 01:38:52.239
like overly smothering the race because of their own greed
1821
01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:58.439
and psychopathy, you know, like they are preventing people. And
1822
01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:02.399
people can get this, they can get this information, but
1823
01:39:02.640 --> 01:39:05.960
they design a world that doesn't diverts your attention away
1824
01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:09.279
from the possibility and of following your true instincts of
1825
01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:12.640
what you would like to do with your time. And
1826
01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:15.039
so that's very I think that's the most point at
1827
01:39:15.079 --> 01:39:21.199
point to make, and that the demon and the alien
1828
01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:26.159
is within us and we will. If the entire species
1829
01:39:26.279 --> 01:39:29.760
was wiped out, the information was still continue. It's all
1830
01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:33.560
a trajectory that you don't have control over. You don't
1831
01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:35.880
know your subconscious mind, and if you were to figure
1832
01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:39.079
it out and contact your subconscious mind, you would be terrified.
1833
01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:43.079
And most people are because they're supposed to just kind
1834
01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:45.520
of collect information as they're going to their life. Do
1835
01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:46.239
you see what I mean?
1836
01:39:46.520 --> 01:39:49.600
Yeah, hundred percent, you're stepping me out here. I was
1837
01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:51.439
going to add an extra thread to this. I thought
1838
01:39:51.479 --> 01:39:53.479
it was too much and too dense. We'll kick it
1839
01:39:53.560 --> 01:39:56.079
down the road for another time, do it. But it's
1840
01:39:56.119 --> 01:39:58.039
just real quickly, it's what you said. It's basically what
1841
01:39:58.159 --> 01:40:02.840
you said. There are two new mysterious DNA ancestors of
1842
01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:05.439
humanity that they just discovered and they don't know what
1843
01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:09.039
they are. And funny that you said too, demons and aliens.
1844
01:40:09.279 --> 01:40:11.239
So we'll just leave it at that, so I'll send
1845
01:40:11.279 --> 01:40:13.159
you the link afterward. But I was going to add
1846
01:40:13.199 --> 01:40:14.640
it to the shows, like, nah, this is kind of
1847
01:40:14.680 --> 01:40:16.079
too down SA already, so we're not going to do that.
1848
01:40:16.159 --> 01:40:18.039
But we will talk about that in the future and
1849
01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:20.199
I will send you a link. But hey, you're onto
1850
01:40:20.239 --> 01:40:22.279
the game here, and that's where my mind was at
1851
01:40:22.279 --> 01:40:23.800
as well. I think when you look at this stuff,
1852
01:40:24.239 --> 01:40:26.920
it's really impossible to tell how far back and how
1853
01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:30.039
primordial this is in terms of what really happens. Like
1854
01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:32.239
I said, like I always say, it's always narratives, and
1855
01:40:32.439 --> 01:40:36.319
in these narratives there's always flaws, and that's the whole point. Yeah.
1856
01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:40.000
Well, remember they can continue to try to write things
1857
01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:44.039
down track it with a computer and that may or
1858
01:40:44.159 --> 01:40:46.920
may not make it, you know. But in the point
1859
01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:49.840
of it is is that the universe, the cosmos, had
1860
01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:52.720
its own plans, and that is that it embeds it
1861
01:40:53.079 --> 01:40:55.279
directly into the DNA of the species and we're just
1862
01:40:55.359 --> 01:40:58.000
trying to hack it. So they're trying to get a
1863
01:40:58.119 --> 01:41:02.880
one up on nature and sort of a preface of
1864
01:41:03.039 --> 01:41:04.920
like us, we could just master this, and they've been
1865
01:41:04.920 --> 01:41:08.119
passing this information down. You could call this the fallen angels,
1866
01:41:08.159 --> 01:41:10.760
the demons that are trying to upose God, like that
1867
01:41:10.920 --> 01:41:14.920
kind of concept that you know, we will not be destroyed,
1868
01:41:15.039 --> 01:41:18.920
we want to conquer this, we want out. There's something
1869
01:41:19.079 --> 01:41:22.439
like that going on. So there's this whole belief system
1870
01:41:22.720 --> 01:41:26.239
surrounding these ideas that people have been trying to overcome
1871
01:41:26.359 --> 01:41:29.520
for a long time, you know. And then at this
1872
01:41:29.720 --> 01:41:32.520
level with the governments and the people that are the
1873
01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:35.800
elites ruling the world, which are not the governments, they
1874
01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:39.119
are not government entities. There's not a I don't believe
1875
01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:41.880
there's any government on the planet that is a part
1876
01:41:42.000 --> 01:41:44.399
of this system. And when you're looking at things like
1877
01:41:44.520 --> 01:41:47.960
it's going to be personal motivation of these particular individuals
1878
01:41:48.039 --> 01:41:53.319
that have been placed there through pacific genetic purposes, so
1879
01:41:53.439 --> 01:41:56.560
they may not even be a high class. There is
1880
01:41:56.600 --> 01:41:59.920
a strange manipulation of the population and there's an obsession
1881
01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:03.039
and with genetics about the blood and that's because that
1882
01:42:03.159 --> 01:42:07.119
blood contains the information that they need about, you know,
1883
01:42:07.640 --> 01:42:10.920
trying to figure it out themselves. If that means annihilation
1884
01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:13.720
for a certain group, at least they still have the blood.
1885
01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:16.640
And that's why there's so many different rituals about and
1886
01:42:16.800 --> 01:42:20.840
around that. But it's a containment. It's a hope to
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survive a cosmic harvest, if that is, if that is
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the theory, you know that people could understand. You know,
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it survives that just at the winter, the summer comes,
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everything appears to be dead, but it comes back, and
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when it does, it's something different. You know, it's learned
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from the past.
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Amen. Amen, well said, Well said all that. Like I said,
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you're stiffing me out here on where my mind was
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headed with this. I think there's a lot of things
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that are important to talk about and think about it,
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and that's why we do this together. You're the best.
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We've got tons of we got tons of calls. We
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got to get to you, Mike.
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Thank you so much.
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Appreciate the cool. Here's the best. A Jendi Isary the
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r K and Neserver. Please go give her a follow
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in order to find her. That's the whole point of
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this troubleminds dot org forts that friends school down a
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little bit, says followed. Jennifer right there, click it to
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go check out her YouTube channel and all the all
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the rest of the stuff she's doing. Who's also the
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co host with James Selsey to para normal on the weekends. Yeah,
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fire stuff, James, anything Dad, and we'll go to Herschel's
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up next. Kelly says, he's stapping out. Thanks for being patient,
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my man. We'll get back to send me a message
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if you want, and we'll we'll kick that forward to
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whatever you want to talk about. We'll work it into
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a show. James anything Dad.
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Just great to hear from jen is always a great call,
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and uh yeah it does. I do agree.
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There's there's definitely always been a lot of focus on
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on that that dnare, that jeans are the blood, I mean,
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blood has been a big thing for a long time,
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focusing on it.
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So great calls so far. Looking forward to this.
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I'm gonna wait for a minute, Mike, Bob right back
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and I'll listen to the restaurant here.
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You got a buddy, We're here forty seven oh two
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eighty five seven six nine three nine Click the discord.
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Lik at Trouble Minds dot le butch on the show
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just like this herschel Starling dot com. What's up brother,
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you troublelines. However you think for being patient? What do
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you got for us tonight? This is a wild one,
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A lot of threads, a lot of ideas flowing through.
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What you got.
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It's great. So I think about the epochs a lot,
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and so that's what got me going, you know on
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this one was like the different cycles and ataclysms and
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starting over and all that, you know. But as to
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the question of like where did these people go a
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lot of times, I just think, you know, they were
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into some weird stuff. You know, you talked about blood.
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You know, they're doing sacrifices. I think a lot of
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those civilizations died off from the illnesses they got from,
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like the lack of sanitation during those sacrifices like blood
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and meat, like going rotten and getting in the water,
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and then they just get pestilence and die off. Either
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that or the big feathered serpents just fattened them.
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Up and ate them.
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I like that very much better. I'll take that. Vera
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koca a Google kon came down and had his feast
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and the uh, the civilization disappeared forever.
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Yeah, but I just think a lot of those like,
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I don't know, it just seems like it's not much
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of them. Some of that isn't much of a mystery.
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It just seems like but what I just like, you know,
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you're sacrificing people on an altar and the blood's dripping
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down the gutters down into the street and then it
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gets in the and there's evidence that like this is
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kind of a different story. But you know, where the
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they say that some of the old like Olmec or
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Mayan civilizations just kind of also just disappeared, but the
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people higher up on the mountains didn't because they weren't
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downstream of all that, you know.
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Yeah, and there's there's some there's some folks out there.
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And again, you know, I don't know what to believe
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because everything that we're told, you know, Ricky brought it
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up earlier, you know, sort of our our being gen X,
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the elementary school history of kind of learning and all
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the things. I mean, it was so fractured and broken
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in pieces as we were coming through and it's changed
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so much already in fifty years. But beyond that, there's
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also a ton of stuff that's been censored historically. I mean,
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you know, as they say that the winners right the history,
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and so you know that type of stuff is clearly
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like an in your face situation. But then beyond that,
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there's also all the stuff we have no idea about.
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So and I've said this a lot to the to
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the point where you know, with when it comes to
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archaeology and anthropology, we're like working with one tenth of
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one percent of all the data we should have. And
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so you know, it's like a it's like a nice narrative,
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but it's also super flimsy, and there's tons of stuff
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that we've missed as part of it. And this is
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a huge piece, a massive piece. We're talking two thousand
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years ago in the Amazon, and this is the surface level.
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Recognize I said this the other night too with Troy,
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right like it was just a Plato it was, it
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was a fake and nobody ever believed Troy was real.
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And then they found Troy, and then they found layers
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beneath Troy of generations previous to Troy. So imagine what's
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underground in this space. So we're talking two thousand years
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ago imagine if it's like ten thousand years ago. I'm
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just saying, like, maybe, just maybe this is more incredible
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than anybody ever dreamed. And that's why I'm excited about this.
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Yeah, nothing would surprise me. I want to go down
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to those tunnels. So I got a story, a quick one.
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It won't take long. It's like two hundred and twenty
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nine words, no problem, We're here for you, and written
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almost a year ago today, August sixth, twenty twenty five,
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and I'm just going to herschel Sterling dot com and
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I'm scrolling down to speculative fiction and it's right there.
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It's the first story in speculative fiction, and it's called
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Pyramids and pul Shifts. The evidence of the pole shifts
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appeared before the occurrence. Plates were moving. There were earthquakes,
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there was erratic pole behavior and other magnetic anomalies, and
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dormant volcanoes had resurrected. Radiation levels had increased somewhat due
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to the magnetosphere protection weakening. The shape of the Earth
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had been changing, not over millennia, but even in a
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generational span. There were islands forming while existing islands receded.
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Those who knew hoarded land and goods. They built underground,
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and they claimed ancient underground regions for themselves, for in
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most cases a futile effort to be preserved. It finally
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dawned on the susceptible why the political was deceiving them.
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Another py Sephian cycle had completed, an epoch had ended,
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and a new one begins. The clouds had cleared, the
2013
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dust had settled, The new equatorial lands were melting, the
2014
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new poles were adjusting. God knows what sort of DNA
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would emerge to reassert its evolutionary path, what new iterations
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would arise. There were pockets of people, the hidden underground,
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surviving on mountains, the fortunate and unfortunate. Then there was
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the humming, the resonance all over the planet. Ancient structures vibrated,
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loose their overgrowth. It was like dormant, repowered factories coming
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back online. Built at a time when the Earth was
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in this position, they were once again relevant. The pyramidal
2022
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structures came back to life, their purpose finally understood.
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Amen far stuff Herschel is a fantastic writer. I'll just
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say it that way because it's the truth. And also
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look his heads in the game forward looking, recognizing what's
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out there because we're finding it now. But yeah, this
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is incredible and very well written. I love I love that.
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Like the Roberts said, this too, is very hard to
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write something short like that and make it so punchy
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and poignant. And you do it, man, you do it.
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That is fire stuff. What else you got regarding that
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or any of the rest of this stuff. I think it's,
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like I said, lots of threads heare. There's a garden
2034
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of Eden and all kinds of stuff, even the slee
2035
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stad going back to the land of the Loss. I mean,
2036
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what are we looking at? What do you think?
2037
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I don't know.
2038
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There's a bunch of stuff like that. There's a story
2039
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called The Cross that I have that's like that.
2040
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Let me see.
2041
01:51:03.560 --> 01:51:06.000
I know there's a I know. There's one in the
2042
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dreams category that's about epochs changing. It's called a guided dream,
2043
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the epoch explained. I've read. I've read that a couple
2044
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of times on your show. That one is kind of
2045
01:51:24.960 --> 01:51:35.079
also about like iterations of you know, of evolution, like
2046
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iterations of species. How in different epochs a species will
2047
01:51:42.680 --> 01:51:47.079
have a different iteration than before, like it'd be a
2048
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mild diversion, like the dinosaurs. The birds are are the
2049
01:51:52.279 --> 01:51:58.199
descendants of dinosaurs. So maybe in the next epoch our
2050
01:51:58.359 --> 01:52:01.880
iteration of our DNA emerge as being a much milder
2051
01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:07.760
version of humans, you know, something along those lines, Like
2052
01:52:07.880 --> 01:52:10.760
I think you know about that stuff. I think as
2053
01:52:10.840 --> 01:52:13.560
you get older, I think as you age there's a
2054
01:52:13.680 --> 01:52:16.520
trade off. What you lose physically, you kind of gain
2055
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an inner space.
2056
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I would agree. Actually I'm not the physical beast I was,
2057
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but I'm also way smarter, way way smarter than I
2058
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used to be. And it's not even like like reading,
2059
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you know, like you can read a lot of stuff
2060
01:52:35.039 --> 01:52:36.840
and not be smart, you know what I mean. Like
2061
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there's there's like there's a way to synthesize information and
2062
01:52:40.319 --> 01:52:42.079
look and do it in real time. And this was
2063
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a challenge, by the way. So I'm not saying that
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just because you read a lot you're dumb or not
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dumb or whatever. I'm not trying to call anybody dumb.
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I'm saying the reason I'm here doing this is I
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wanted to synthesize the ideas in my mind in real
2068
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time from my brain to my mouth that makes sense
2069
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to you, And here I am like I've conquered that
2070
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dragon for the most part, and it's incredible. Like if
2071
01:53:01.880 --> 01:53:05.560
you're an introvert, as I am, really truly like I
2072
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couldn't spit out a sentence when I was sixteen years
2073
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old without crying, Like it was just it was hard
2074
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because everything that came out of my mouth, I really couldn't.
2075
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I wanted to take it all back and say differently
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every single time, Like everything that came out of my mouth,
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I was like, I botch that, I ruined that, it
2078
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was a disaster. I want to take it back. And
2079
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that's why I went into writing, because when you write,
2080
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you can think deeply about what you're about to say,
2081
01:53:31.880 --> 01:53:33.920
and you can even cast out three or four or
2082
01:53:33.960 --> 01:53:36.279
five iterations of it and then write it as you
2083
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mean when you're speaking. It's very much difficult to do that,
2084
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and some people are masters and just naturals and can
2085
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do that. I'm not a master yet, but I'm very good.
2086
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And so it's really been a challenge of my adult
2087
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life to look that in the face and be like, hey, look,
2088
01:53:55.520 --> 01:53:57.800
I have got good ideas in my head. Let me
2089
01:53:58.600 --> 01:54:02.000
say them to the microphone, for better or worse, and
2090
01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:04.920
then see what happens, and here we are. I've improved
2091
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immensely and I'm very good at this and you can
2092
01:54:07.720 --> 01:54:11.720
be too. Okay, So if I don't inspire you, I
2093
01:54:11.760 --> 01:54:14.199
don't know what I'm doing. I'm doing something wrong. Get
2094
01:54:14.279 --> 01:54:15.000
your ass out there.
2095
01:54:16.319 --> 01:54:19.000
Like a lot of us have gotten bank going on
2096
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our own stuff as a result of listening to your show.
2097
01:54:22.600 --> 01:54:24.319
Look how many people have started shows.
2098
01:54:24.640 --> 01:54:28.680
You're right, thank you, But I'm just saying, hey, get
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your ass out there because you can do it too.
2100
01:54:30.560 --> 01:54:33.520
I'm not some special like magical entity. I'm just a
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human that challenged my demons, which were was the communication space. Sorry,
2102
01:54:37.760 --> 01:54:40.159
it's your time, go ahead. Thank I appreciate. I appreciate
2103
01:54:40.239 --> 01:54:43.520
the acknowledgment and fire stuff. And I want to shout
2104
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out too commercial herschel sorry herschel sterling dot com. Go
2105
01:54:48.079 --> 01:54:51.279
check it. He's literally integrated his entire substack through code
2106
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where you can roll down and just like click stuff.
2107
01:54:55.359 --> 01:54:58.840
It's all you want to talk about, artificial intelligence, it's there,
2108
01:54:58.960 --> 01:55:03.920
click it like buyer stuff. Nice work. Appreciate you very much.
2109
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I'll show your time, and.
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If anybody wants to beta test that software, just dm me,
2111
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like if you've got content and you want to get
2112
01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:15.720
that's the same kind of website that I have. I'll
2113
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send it to you and you can help me test
2114
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it perfect anybody, any any of the content creators on
2115
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the show, any of you perfect.
2116
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I may take you up on that, by the way.
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Yeah.
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I think it's the kind of thing that once you
2119
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see it, especially once you realize that it's built to
2120
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be found. It's built to be searched. And I there's
2121
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a side program that comes with it that gives you
2122
01:55:42.600 --> 01:55:45.840
control over which companies are allowed to crawl you and
2123
01:55:45.960 --> 01:55:49.520
whether larger language you can block the larger language models
2124
01:55:50.279 --> 01:55:53.239
like there's a whole, there's a hole, like a bunch
2125
01:55:53.279 --> 01:55:57.119
of peripheral software that goes with it different things. So,
2126
01:55:58.119 --> 01:56:00.880
and I think that once people realize that it's built
2127
01:56:00.920 --> 01:56:04.000
to be searched and to be found, that's the way
2128
01:56:04.039 --> 01:56:07.319
it's built. It's built with structured data. There's nothing in
2129
01:56:07.439 --> 01:56:11.000
there that's unnecessary. Everything you see is the bare bones.
2130
01:56:11.560 --> 01:56:14.840
Its structured. It's pre structured, so the AI and the
2131
01:56:15.039 --> 01:56:19.000
search can just come in shake hands and leave perfect
2132
01:56:19.199 --> 01:56:24.399
my and my search results, like my downloads have increased.
2133
01:56:25.119 --> 01:56:26.880
I was building this thing for two months and I
2134
01:56:26.920 --> 01:56:29.439
didn't do any arc of the Bard or any easy
2135
01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:31.640
Topia none. I was too busy working on this and
2136
01:56:31.720 --> 01:56:34.319
doing other stuff. And during that time, while I was
2137
01:56:34.359 --> 01:56:38.840
building it, my easy Toopia views and the Bard views
2138
01:56:39.039 --> 01:56:41.520
kept going even though I wasn't doing new stuff. That's
2139
01:56:41.560 --> 01:56:44.359
because they were. My outlet showed they were. People were
2140
01:56:44.399 --> 01:56:45.399
fined in my website.
2141
01:56:46.880 --> 01:56:49.960
Oh yeah, hell yeah. And by the way, too, U
2142
01:56:50.359 --> 01:56:53.039
double kudos because while he was working on this, he
2143
01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:54.840
was explaining it to me, Like we were talking to
2144
01:56:54.920 --> 01:56:56.600
DMS a little bit and we were talking about vibe
2145
01:56:56.640 --> 01:56:58.520
coding and stuff, and he kept saying it over and
2146
01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:00.319
over and I'm like, I don't know what you're talking to, bro,
2147
01:57:00.439 --> 01:57:02.279
Like I have no idea why this would be useful
2148
01:57:02.319 --> 01:57:04.479
to anybody. And then he built it, and now I
2149
01:57:04.520 --> 01:57:06.840
look at it and I'm like, oh shit, this is
2150
01:57:06.880 --> 01:57:09.119
why this is why it would be useful, because that's
2151
01:57:09.279 --> 01:57:13.520
very useful. Sorry, sorry for my vision. I didn't get
2152
01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:15.760
what you were trying to say, and so that's my fault.
2153
01:57:15.760 --> 01:57:16.680
Good at explaining it.
2154
01:57:17.159 --> 01:57:19.039
You got to see it, and I see.
2155
01:57:18.920 --> 01:57:21.800
It, and I'm impressed, is my point. Anyway, back to this,
2156
01:57:22.520 --> 01:57:24.239
back to other worldly beings and the rest of this
2157
01:57:24.319 --> 01:57:26.399
the Garden of Eden. What else you got regarding any
2158
01:57:26.399 --> 01:57:28.760
of this? There's so much here. The threads are deep.
2159
01:57:28.840 --> 01:57:31.239
It goes back to the primordial forest and all the rest.
2160
01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:34.359
But I mean, it's exciting. We're talking about wid are,
2161
01:57:34.439 --> 01:57:37.239
We're talking about modern technology, We're talking about the unexplored
2162
01:57:37.319 --> 01:57:40.840
places of the world, and hey, what comes next?
2163
01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:44.039
Well, we talk about all this stuff on this show.
2164
01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:47.760
We talk about everything from you know, different spirit to
2165
01:57:47.840 --> 01:57:50.520
spiritual battle, you know, the Ouiji boards and all of
2166
01:57:50.600 --> 01:57:54.640
the other things. And I just really do feel and
2167
01:57:54.880 --> 01:57:57.720
know and have experienced the fact that there is a
2168
01:57:57.760 --> 01:58:03.720
spiritual battle and for all the scary, unexplained stuff out there,
2169
01:58:03.760 --> 01:58:06.279
there's also a spirit that wants to protect us, that
2170
01:58:06.399 --> 01:58:10.399
sees us as precious, and that our consciousness is is
2171
01:58:10.600 --> 01:58:14.279
so valuable and we are honored and respected and loved
2172
01:58:14.359 --> 01:58:15.880
by the good team.
2173
01:58:17.399 --> 01:58:20.039
Amen. And I was thinking about this the other day too.
2174
01:58:20.079 --> 01:58:23.399
And I don't like to crap on Christians or Muslims
2175
01:58:23.520 --> 01:58:26.319
or anybody, right, Look, I know there's like philosophy and
2176
01:58:26.359 --> 01:58:28.560
stuff we can talk. It's for a different time. But
2177
01:58:28.640 --> 01:58:30.680
I was like, hey, I kind of really live a
2178
01:58:30.760 --> 01:58:33.359
Christian life myself, though I'm not a Christian, right, and
2179
01:58:33.479 --> 01:58:35.640
so I don't know, like maybe I could be adopted
2180
01:58:35.680 --> 01:58:38.039
as maybe you know, like a like an honorary or something.
2181
01:58:38.199 --> 01:58:43.880
I'm just saying, by your fruits, by your fruits, okay,
2182
01:58:44.079 --> 01:58:47.199
Jesus on the only curse the olive tree because it
2183
01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:49.720
wasn't grown any olives. It's like you're supposed to be
2184
01:58:49.800 --> 01:58:50.479
grown olives.
2185
01:58:50.560 --> 01:58:54.199
Let's go, let's go LFG, let's go. Absolutely, let's go.
2186
01:58:54.359 --> 01:58:56.279
Let's let's build things too. And I just posted this
2187
01:58:56.399 --> 01:58:59.520
recently on next. Hey, look, you're here to create things.
2188
01:58:59.840 --> 01:59:01.760
And as they say that, not just the devil, but
2189
01:59:02.159 --> 01:59:04.399
the inverse, the bad faith actors of the world and
2190
01:59:04.479 --> 01:59:06.359
all the rest of that stuff comes into play here,
2191
01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:10.199
and they want to tear things down. If you find
2192
01:59:10.199 --> 01:59:12.079
the negative nancies of the world that are trying to
2193
01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:16.439
tear down the things that you're building, your positive energy ignore,
2194
01:59:16.720 --> 01:59:19.359
move on, continue with your positive energy. That's what this
2195
01:59:19.439 --> 01:59:20.479
is all about. I appreciate your.
2196
01:59:20.439 --> 01:59:24.239
Better grateful and be grateful that those kind of people
2197
01:59:24.359 --> 01:59:26.159
reject to you because you don't need that energy in
2198
01:59:26.199 --> 01:59:28.159
your life. Say thank you for being over there.
2199
01:59:28.560 --> 01:59:35.439
Amen, all right, the best, Appreciate you very much. Herschel Sterling. Hey,
2200
01:59:35.960 --> 01:59:38.359
Thanks everybody, it's a pleasure, have a great night. Thanks
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01:59:38.399 --> 01:59:40.680
for the call. You don't love him. Herschel Starling commercial
2202
01:59:40.760 --> 01:59:43.840
Herschel affectionately. That's a substack. But just go to herschel
2203
01:59:43.880 --> 01:59:46.159
Sterling dot com. Link is in the description. You know
2204
01:59:46.199 --> 01:59:47.880
where to look. You know where to find our friends
2205
01:59:48.279 --> 01:59:51.439
troubleminds dot org, forward sized friends or just click the
2206
01:59:51.479 --> 01:59:54.600
friends link. Scroll down. It's alphabetical Herschel right there. Click
2207
01:59:54.640 --> 01:59:56.079
it and it goes straight to his website and you
2208
01:59:56.159 --> 01:59:58.760
could look. It's got all the things. His books are
2209
01:59:58.800 --> 02:00:01.359
all there, and this is this is a fantastic format
2210
02:00:01.760 --> 02:00:04.479
because it has structured his entire sub stack to be
2211
02:00:05.560 --> 02:00:09.840
easily searchable, easily findable, and like he said, like, I'm glad,
2212
02:00:09.880 --> 02:00:11.920
he says, you can scroll down and find this in
2213
02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:13.600
the thing. And I do it along with him, and
2214
02:00:13.680 --> 02:00:16.399
I'm impressed with what he built. See, you can just
2215
02:00:16.479 --> 02:00:18.640
do things and appreciate the call. You were the man
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02:00:18.840 --> 02:00:20.840
seven two eighty five seven six nine three nine Click
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02:00:20.840 --> 02:00:22.840
they discord like a trouble white side James, anything to
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02:00:22.880 --> 02:00:24.800
add and then I'll try Kelly on the phone line.
2219
02:00:24.840 --> 02:00:26.319
He said he dipped, but he's still on there. So
2220
02:00:26.359 --> 02:00:27.680
I'm gonna just check and then if not, we'll go
2221
02:00:27.720 --> 02:00:29.279
to Jacob. Thanks for being patient, friends.
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02:00:31.039 --> 02:00:33.840
Yeah, no, great call from Herschel. I caught most of it,
2223
02:00:34.439 --> 02:00:36.079
had to step away from minute because of my eyes.
2224
02:00:36.119 --> 02:00:41.399
But yeah, no, just it is all these things I
2225
02:00:41.439 --> 02:00:43.359
don't know. I'm really curious see what comes from this
2226
02:00:43.600 --> 02:00:46.920
this place. And yeah, there's I do agree that it's
2227
02:00:47.000 --> 02:00:50.600
so hard to know what sources to go with and
2228
02:00:50.720 --> 02:00:52.840
all that, and that's sort of why at this point
2229
02:00:53.359 --> 02:00:56.359
I'd never like to say that, you know, this one
2230
02:00:56.439 --> 02:01:00.560
thing is this way for sure, because you know, there
2231
02:01:00.600 --> 02:01:02.199
are things I used to think about as far as
2232
02:01:02.520 --> 02:01:07.520
like famous panorm Ufo experiences that I thought, oh that
2233
02:01:07.600 --> 02:01:09.880
seems like wow, that that that probably happened, and then
2234
02:01:09.880 --> 02:01:14.079
you go and look back at it years later it's like, oh, okay,
2235
02:01:14.760 --> 02:01:15.840
I'm not sure about that now.
2236
02:01:16.159 --> 02:01:18.960
So anyway, Yeah, great call so far. I'm looking forward
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02:01:19.000 --> 02:01:20.800
to the rest of the show. Yeah, shout out to Ashley.
2238
02:01:20.880 --> 02:01:23.199
Think change, repeat, that's what this is all about, Like
2239
02:01:23.439 --> 02:01:27.319
like you shouldn't. There's a line from a Pearl Jam
2240
02:01:27.479 --> 02:01:31.880
song in the nineties from the album Versus, I believe.
2241
02:01:31.640 --> 02:01:35.199
That I change by not changing at all. No, no,
2242
02:01:35.479 --> 02:01:38.000
like like, think about things and then learn new things
2243
02:01:38.039 --> 02:01:41.079
and then change, think, change and repeat. Shout out Ashley,
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02:01:41.359 --> 02:01:43.119
that's doing it. Got great work over there with Knights
2245
02:01:43.119 --> 02:01:44.600
of the Storm and shout out care and I see
2246
02:01:44.640 --> 02:01:47.239
there and they're real Jason Barker, fire stuff. You guys
2247
02:01:47.239 --> 02:01:49.439
are all doing it. Look, this is the point. Look,
2248
02:01:49.479 --> 02:01:53.239
I'm just me, but recognize what's happening together as part
2249
02:01:53.279 --> 02:01:56.680
of these conversations is that it's okay to be wrong.
2250
02:01:57.840 --> 02:01:59.800
It's okay to be wrong in the periphery. It's it's
2251
02:01:59.800 --> 02:02:02.880
okay to be wrong entirely. But when there's food for
2252
02:02:03.039 --> 02:02:05.640
thought that might help or change somebody's mind in a
2253
02:02:05.680 --> 02:02:08.680
particular space, that's good for them. Okay, a good way,
2254
02:02:09.960 --> 02:02:12.239
Then conversation is good. Something like this is this is
2255
02:02:12.319 --> 02:02:16.680
like therapy in public out there for the Internet forever.
2256
02:02:17.720 --> 02:02:21.680
It's a lot, it's complicated. But also by the way, look,
2257
02:02:22.159 --> 02:02:25.560
you know many times like we've got a dedicated following
2258
02:02:25.640 --> 02:02:27.520
thanks to all the amazing friends that make this show go.
2259
02:02:28.000 --> 02:02:31.239
And the whole reason is because this isn't about judgment,
2260
02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:35.439
it's not about doom. It's not about you know, putting
2261
02:02:35.479 --> 02:02:38.239
our dick in the dirt and crying about the circumstances
2262
02:02:38.319 --> 02:02:40.840
we do or don't have. It's about looking at the
2263
02:02:40.880 --> 02:02:44.960
world differently and recognizing together we can make a difference.
2264
02:02:45.560 --> 02:02:47.640
Shout out, Darrel. I'll read Margaret Mead and I'll pull
2265
02:02:47.680 --> 02:02:48.760
it up right now as we get out of here.
2266
02:02:49.039 --> 02:02:50.960
Let's go to Kelly and Colorado too. Eighty five, seven
2267
02:02:50.960 --> 02:02:53.199
six months, three nine. He dipped, I think, but just
2268
02:02:53.279 --> 02:02:54.640
in case he's still on the phone line, going to
2269
02:02:54.680 --> 02:02:58.760
click it, because my vibe code thing has a when
2270
02:02:58.760 --> 02:03:00.479
they hang up, it doesn't tell me the hang up
2271
02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:04.039
they're still there, so I don't think he's there. Test Test, Kelly,
2272
02:03:04.720 --> 02:03:07.319
I think he dipped. Appreciate you, you know me, love him.
2273
02:03:07.399 --> 02:03:09.359
Kelly the first, the first guy that called her this
2274
02:03:09.399 --> 02:03:11.560
show and then called back. Literally been a friend for
2275
02:03:11.600 --> 02:03:14.760
eight years plus. Kelly's the man seven two eighty five,
2276
02:03:14.840 --> 02:03:17.800
seven six nine, three nine. Click the discord link at
2277
02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:22.479
Troubledminds dot Org. Let's go to Jacob hersher boy, what's
2278
02:03:22.520 --> 02:03:25.239
her brother? Welcome, welcome back, hope you're well your own
2279
02:03:25.279 --> 02:03:26.920
troubled minds. What do you offer us tonight?
2280
02:03:29.079 --> 02:03:30.880
You know, and just some good points I think about
2281
02:03:30.920 --> 02:03:34.239
the the pullshifts. You know that Herschel was making. You know,
2282
02:03:34.319 --> 02:03:38.039
that's something to that, uh, trying to fathom what the
2283
02:03:38.079 --> 02:03:41.680
world was like during these old ancient empires.
2284
02:03:41.680 --> 02:03:45.279
I mean, come on, the world's the weather of these
2285
02:03:45.359 --> 02:03:50.880
days is very delicate, like you know, the natural disasters
2286
02:03:50.920 --> 02:03:51.479
and things.
2287
02:03:51.359 --> 02:03:53.520
You know, So I think we're naive to think that
2288
02:03:54.319 --> 02:03:57.199
it was probably even like we're some more chaotic back
2289
02:03:57.239 --> 02:03:59.319
in those times, you know, if we don't think.
2290
02:03:59.199 --> 02:04:03.359
That, Yeah, the world's always been a dangerous place. The
2291
02:04:03.439 --> 02:04:06.520
propaganda has been wobbly in our brains as part of it.
2292
02:04:06.600 --> 02:04:08.920
But my brother said this years ago to me, and
2293
02:04:09.000 --> 02:04:12.399
he's totally right. I might I'm like, hey, the world's
2294
02:04:12.399 --> 02:04:15.560
a dangerous place. He's all, Mike, the world has always
2295
02:04:15.560 --> 02:04:18.119
been a dangerous place. Like, okay, all right, you're right,
2296
02:04:18.760 --> 02:04:21.159
you win, my uncle Mercy.
2297
02:04:23.000 --> 02:04:27.319
Yeah, it's strange. I think about that a lot. I've
2298
02:04:27.359 --> 02:04:28.680
read a bit about some of the.
2299
02:04:30.479 --> 02:04:33.239
Things about where you know, Atlantis was a real place
2300
02:04:33.319 --> 02:04:36.560
or whatever, and then you know, it used to be
2301
02:04:36.720 --> 02:04:41.920
similar pretty close to where the equator was nowadays, and
2302
02:04:42.039 --> 02:04:44.319
then the pull shifts just shifted it way north to
2303
02:04:44.359 --> 02:04:45.920
where like Nova Scotia is. I don't know if that's
2304
02:04:45.920 --> 02:04:48.159
a real thing. I don't know, and it doesn't really
2305
02:04:48.279 --> 02:04:51.039
nicsarily tie into where like you're going with with some
2306
02:04:51.159 --> 02:04:53.880
of the jungles and like some of the forest you're
2307
02:04:53.880 --> 02:04:57.800
talking about, I think you're leading to like where like
2308
02:04:57.920 --> 02:05:00.840
central Mexico or there in South America.
2309
02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:06.000
But I think I think you get into the points where,
2310
02:05:06.159 --> 02:05:07.680
like this.
2311
02:05:07.880 --> 02:05:13.079
Great flood that gets talked about that the the more
2312
02:05:13.600 --> 02:05:18.119
newer religions talk about this, uh their version of it
2313
02:05:18.279 --> 02:05:20.800
where but you know, it goes a lot back farther
2314
02:05:20.960 --> 02:05:24.560
than that, right, So, And I've always been on I
2315
02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:28.960
don't know, there's something weirdly magical about these other civilizations
2316
02:05:29.079 --> 02:05:36.439
where their history was rewrote because these other places conquered
2317
02:05:36.520 --> 02:05:38.840
them and rewrote their own history, you know. And I
2318
02:05:38.920 --> 02:05:40.880
think you know that they did that to suit their
2319
02:05:40.920 --> 02:05:45.079
own agenda, to their faith or whatever, which is whatever
2320
02:05:45.119 --> 02:05:46.960
it is. We can't really change the past of losing.
2321
02:05:47.359 --> 02:05:52.239
But I think there probably was these other ancient cultures Atlantis, Lamyria,
2322
02:05:52.359 --> 02:05:57.479
all these places, and they had big catastrophes, big cataclysms
2323
02:05:57.520 --> 02:06:00.319
that happened that wrecked their culture. And I think that's
2324
02:06:00.359 --> 02:06:04.359
where the original greatest floods actually were. That's what inspired
2325
02:06:04.439 --> 02:06:07.640
some of these tales that probably went into these these
2326
02:06:09.520 --> 02:06:11.279
these other you know, Christianity, all these things. You know,
2327
02:06:12.039 --> 02:06:15.520
they they ripped off a lot of things that's pretty
2328
02:06:15.560 --> 02:06:18.399
well known. But also I think that's why you have
2329
02:06:19.680 --> 02:06:22.640
some of the some of the Pharaohs had the feathered serpent,
2330
02:06:23.119 --> 02:06:25.880
and then you have that with some of the empires
2331
02:06:26.079 --> 02:06:29.520
in the South America and then the Aztecs and then
2332
02:06:29.960 --> 02:06:33.359
the Omes, you know, and there different pyramids.
2333
02:06:33.399 --> 02:06:36.960
It's like they were trying to recreate their ways that they.
2334
02:06:36.920 --> 02:06:40.520
Knew, you know, and they just they didn't I'm sure
2335
02:06:40.560 --> 02:06:44.279
they had some sense of direction, but they were probably
2336
02:06:44.359 --> 02:06:46.800
just surviving and going in any direction which they thought
2337
02:06:46.920 --> 02:06:51.520
was the best way to go and survive so many
2338
02:06:51.640 --> 02:06:57.000
thousands of years ago BC. And I mean, we're just
2339
02:06:57.079 --> 02:06:58.399
trying to guess, we're trying.
2340
02:06:58.239 --> 02:07:01.039
To pin it all together, you know. Yeah, yeah, all
2341
02:07:01.119 --> 02:07:01.760
that makes sense.
2342
02:07:01.840 --> 02:07:02.800
You know, No, you're good.
2343
02:07:02.880 --> 02:07:03.079
You know what.
2344
02:07:03.159 --> 02:07:04.880
You know what's fascinating to me about that is that
2345
02:07:06.399 --> 02:07:11.159
in nineteen ten, we we're like, oh, dinosaurs were you know,
2346
02:07:11.279 --> 02:07:15.479
scaled serpents, you know, and then we come to learn
2347
02:07:15.520 --> 02:07:21.319
that it wasn't just archaeopterics, it was it was maybe feathered,
2348
02:07:22.119 --> 02:07:24.640
feathered scale right, and then you look at some of
2349
02:07:24.680 --> 02:07:27.039
these other you know, Vera Koca as we were talking
2350
02:07:27.039 --> 02:07:31.680
about earlier, Kogo kan feathered serpents from the sky. There's
2351
02:07:31.760 --> 02:07:34.800
just this weird dichotomy of this information that was like, okay,
2352
02:07:34.920 --> 02:07:38.119
so are you telling me waits, hold on, you're so
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02:07:38.479 --> 02:07:43.359
you're telling me that the ancient mythologies of some of
2354
02:07:43.399 --> 02:07:46.079
these places had it more right than archaeology had it
2355
02:07:46.800 --> 02:07:51.920
palaeontology had it in nineteen ten. Right, I'm just saying, Look,
2356
02:07:51.960 --> 02:07:54.640
I'm just saying. I'm just saying there's a lot of
2357
02:07:54.720 --> 02:07:56.880
weirdness going on, and that's why I think it's important
2358
02:07:56.920 --> 02:07:59.760
to look at the world just a little different, you know.
2359
02:08:00.399 --> 02:08:02.279
And look, it makes me an enemy of the state
2360
02:08:02.399 --> 02:08:06.319
or whatever, or you know, I'm not team UFO disclosure
2361
02:08:06.359 --> 02:08:09.560
and I'm not team Republican or Democrat. Look, I'm just
2362
02:08:09.720 --> 02:08:13.000
me noticing the world around me, and I smell a rat,
2363
02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:15.439
and I think it's important to talk about. And part
2364
02:08:15.479 --> 02:08:17.560
of it is that recognizing some of the things that
2365
02:08:17.640 --> 02:08:22.279
were correct for hundreds of years ago that now they're like, oh, yeah,
2366
02:08:22.800 --> 02:08:27.039
you know the veloci raptors had feathers, Well, did they fly?
2367
02:08:27.199 --> 02:08:29.159
Did they come from space. I mean, that's that's the
2368
02:08:29.239 --> 02:08:31.680
next disclosure. Maybe that's true disclosure.
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02:08:33.920 --> 02:08:34.680
I mean I don't know.
2370
02:08:35.159 --> 02:08:37.239
Yeah, that's a whole other crazier thing, where like if
2371
02:08:37.399 --> 02:08:43.000
even say that some sort of maybe old chromagnant man
2372
02:08:43.239 --> 02:08:44.960
lived back a little bit of the time where the
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02:08:45.039 --> 02:08:47.479
dinosaurs were, you had these predators just coming out in
2374
02:08:47.560 --> 02:08:49.960
the sky and just probably I don't know, that was
2375
02:08:50.000 --> 02:08:50.680
a dangerous thing.
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02:08:50.720 --> 02:08:54.359
You're like, whatever, that's high a whole different other timeline.
2377
02:08:55.159 --> 02:08:58.880
But yeah, it's I think it's it's safe to say
2378
02:08:58.920 --> 02:09:02.880
that I think the some sort of something came along
2379
02:09:02.960 --> 02:09:08.319
where history was was distorted a bit. I've wrote a
2380
02:09:08.560 --> 02:09:12.279
few pieces of the music touching on this. I wanted
2381
02:09:12.279 --> 02:09:15.720
to write a whole concept album about what, in my opinion,
2382
02:09:15.800 --> 02:09:18.800
thought about the whole downfall of Atlantis. I don't know,
2383
02:09:18.920 --> 02:09:22.119
I just I'm I try to be respectful of religion,
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02:09:22.199 --> 02:09:24.039
especially as I get older, but I've just read of
2385
02:09:24.079 --> 02:09:27.000
all the Christian tales and I'm just like, man, this
2386
02:09:27.199 --> 02:09:29.039
is boring to me, and it's just just feel like
2387
02:09:29.159 --> 02:09:32.199
something's missing, you know, And so I feel maybe enchanted.
2388
02:09:32.399 --> 02:09:36.199
And why do you have these shows like Stargate Atlantis
2389
02:09:36.239 --> 02:09:39.039
talking about all these like magical cultures that are like
2390
02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:42.319
to have this very advanced technology. There's something to me
2391
02:09:42.479 --> 02:09:46.039
that's like speaking of a hint of truth there. And
2392
02:09:46.399 --> 02:09:51.000
I wrote some concepts about this where somehow they tapped
2393
02:09:51.039 --> 02:09:57.119
into this very advanced technology. Sure it probably corrupted their society,
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02:09:58.039 --> 02:10:02.079
their political figures, and and somehow it wipe them out.
2395
02:10:02.760 --> 02:10:07.239
Do we see familiar patterns repeating themselves, right, So that's
2396
02:10:07.359 --> 02:10:09.960
something that was a very interesting concept to me. I
2397
02:10:10.000 --> 02:10:13.119
wrote some songs about this where it just this crystal
2398
02:10:13.199 --> 02:10:19.199
technology that they tapped into was like very prominent energy
2399
02:10:19.279 --> 02:10:22.800
which is making their culture thrive, and other people were
2400
02:10:22.880 --> 02:10:25.600
like using it to maybe start wars or something, you know,
2401
02:10:26.199 --> 02:10:28.319
and it was like in Mother Nature, it was probably
2402
02:10:28.399 --> 02:10:29.840
like all right, this has got.
2403
02:10:29.760 --> 02:10:31.840
To stop, and I'm going to send you a.
2404
02:10:33.359 --> 02:10:35.880
Reality check and bam, your culture is wiped out, right,
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02:10:37.039 --> 02:10:42.359
And I think there's something to that and the people tried,
2406
02:10:42.520 --> 02:10:45.159
you know, there's probably survivors. That part probably makes sense.
2407
02:10:45.800 --> 02:10:47.640
You know, you're probably finding a piece of wood to
2408
02:10:48.119 --> 02:10:50.720
survive on in the middle of some piece of water,
2409
02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:52.880
and then you float and you're on some piece of
2410
02:10:53.279 --> 02:10:56.600
land you find and you're like relieve whatever, and then
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02:10:56.640 --> 02:11:00.439
you start recreating your culture as you knew as you raise.
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02:11:00.520 --> 02:11:03.399
You know, these things make sense to me. And I
2413
02:11:03.479 --> 02:11:07.119
think there's something like that. We've been very fascinated about
2414
02:11:07.159 --> 02:11:09.720
things like that, and I think there's some truth to
2415
02:11:10.199 --> 02:11:13.880
those those old like tales we hear about and it's
2416
02:11:14.000 --> 02:11:16.600
just word of mouth, or we can read the books
2417
02:11:17.439 --> 02:11:21.800
that we we hopefully can trust, or you know, we
2418
02:11:22.119 --> 02:11:24.399
have to people tell us that raised us, and I, oh,
2419
02:11:24.399 --> 02:11:25.800
you got to believe this, You got to believe this.
2420
02:11:26.039 --> 02:11:28.279
Unless we have our own critical thinking, we start questioning
2421
02:11:28.640 --> 02:11:31.079
these things. And you know, so I think that's important.
2422
02:11:31.560 --> 02:11:34.319
But I think there's something too that there's these old
2423
02:11:34.359 --> 02:11:38.680
cultures that had many kind of closims, and the official
2424
02:11:40.520 --> 02:11:43.760
religions that we call officially these days have their own
2425
02:11:43.840 --> 02:11:47.600
version of it. Some of us feel deeply different about it.
2426
02:11:47.960 --> 02:11:53.399
So yeah, that's I agree with you. And and look,
2427
02:11:53.439 --> 02:11:55.640
this is the this is the reason I tipped tiptoe
2428
02:11:55.680 --> 02:11:58.239
around the religious stuff. Like like I said, you know,
2429
02:11:58.359 --> 02:12:00.479
like like the people teaching me this when I was
2430
02:12:00.560 --> 02:12:05.159
a kid, like it felt disingenuous to me. I felt
2431
02:12:05.239 --> 02:12:07.359
like they didn't even believe the crap they were trying
2432
02:12:07.399 --> 02:12:09.600
to tell me. Right, And I'm not saying it's not true.
2433
02:12:10.000 --> 02:12:13.079
I'm saying that the information from human to human, the
2434
02:12:13.560 --> 02:12:16.359
human aspect of communication to me as a kid, and
2435
02:12:16.479 --> 02:12:18.600
you know, when you're a kid, you're bs meters off
2436
02:12:18.640 --> 02:12:21.479
the charge. You can spot a rat from a mile away.
2437
02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:23.960
And every time I went into these religious places, I
2438
02:12:24.039 --> 02:12:27.039
spotted her rats everywhere, and I was just like, m
2439
02:12:28.560 --> 02:12:32.680
so'm I am a verse. But once again, it doesn't
2440
02:12:32.720 --> 02:12:35.680
mean that you can't gain knowledge from these places and
2441
02:12:35.800 --> 02:12:38.680
these you know, the tones and the doctrines and even
2442
02:12:38.760 --> 02:12:41.479
ritual magic. You know, many of these things are actually
2443
02:12:41.520 --> 02:12:44.159
doing ritual magic, which is a whole other conversation for
2444
02:12:44.159 --> 02:12:47.199
a whole other time. But I've made some recent posts
2445
02:12:47.199 --> 02:12:48.760
on X. If you haven't followed me on X, please
2446
02:12:48.800 --> 02:12:50.920
do that. If you guys are an X at Troubled
2447
02:12:50.960 --> 02:12:53.279
Minds of Art, don't forget the R for radio because
2448
02:12:53.319 --> 02:12:56.119
Troubled Minds is taken by some many years ago that
2449
02:12:56.199 --> 02:12:58.560
they've now they're going to charge me one thousand dollars
2450
02:12:58.640 --> 02:13:00.880
to get and then keep it thout a thousand dollars
2451
02:13:00.920 --> 02:13:03.239
every month to keep it. I'm like, I'll just keep
2452
02:13:03.279 --> 02:13:06.000
the art ad Trouble Minds are follow me on X anyway,
2453
02:13:06.079 --> 02:13:07.560
you're the best brother. This EANs for staying up lay
2454
02:13:07.560 --> 02:13:11.119
with us fire stuff. Appreciate you very much. Final thoughts
2455
02:13:11.439 --> 02:13:13.720
and you were the man. No.
2456
02:13:13.880 --> 02:13:15.880
I think just like you were saying, you got these
2457
02:13:15.960 --> 02:13:18.199
Charlatans you gotta be aware of, like you know those
2458
02:13:18.680 --> 02:13:20.880
I grew up more man, and you'll and luckily I
2459
02:13:20.920 --> 02:13:22.600
haven't ran in the missionaries where I live now, but
2460
02:13:22.960 --> 02:13:25.640
they'll send these twenty year old kids to come talk to.
2461
02:13:25.640 --> 02:13:28.600
You about that. They know the official way of the Lord.
2462
02:13:28.760 --> 02:13:30.960
It's like, man, you haven't even barely lived your life, dude,
2463
02:13:31.159 --> 02:13:31.760
you know nothing.
2464
02:13:31.840 --> 02:13:31.960
Man.
2465
02:13:32.199 --> 02:13:34.399
I'm not trying to be like mean or like.
2466
02:13:34.720 --> 02:13:38.359
Uh to you, but you got to live your life
2467
02:13:38.880 --> 02:13:42.119
and you got to dissect these the history you got
2468
02:13:42.199 --> 02:13:44.319
to read, you know, dive into that critical thing.
2469
02:13:44.359 --> 02:13:47.199
You read these other religions, man, study these things.
2470
02:13:47.279 --> 02:13:50.359
Man, you know they're going to be like that was
2471
02:13:50.399 --> 02:13:51.960
a weird thing that bugged me at an early age,
2472
02:13:52.079 --> 02:13:54.159
Like they had this thing that choose the right the
2473
02:13:54.279 --> 02:13:57.880
ctr rings and that bugged me really bad. I was like,
2474
02:13:58.000 --> 02:14:02.199
is this elitist statement. You'll send these kids out and
2475
02:14:02.520 --> 02:14:05.399
somehow they influence these other cultures. And I'm going on
2476
02:14:05.479 --> 02:14:07.239
a bit of a right here about like religion. But
2477
02:14:07.279 --> 02:14:11.159
I'm like, you know, you're going to tell you tell
2478
02:14:11.199 --> 02:14:13.640
people that your religion better than all the other ones,
2479
02:14:14.399 --> 02:14:16.199
and you're going to send out these like younger people
2480
02:14:16.279 --> 02:14:17.960
to try to influence people who go to like knock
2481
02:14:18.039 --> 02:14:20.920
on doors or whatever, and you're gonna try to tell
2482
02:14:20.960 --> 02:14:24.319
them your version of things. You know, it's hard to
2483
02:14:24.359 --> 02:14:26.479
take some of that seriously because you haven't even really
2484
02:14:26.600 --> 02:14:29.319
lived your life versus you're going to go try to
2485
02:14:29.600 --> 02:14:33.640
influence somebody who's forty fifty years old, who's been studying
2486
02:14:33.800 --> 02:14:37.439
things or been devout to their own faith, you know.
2487
02:14:37.560 --> 02:14:40.039
And I'm just like, man, we're not or been disillusioned
2488
02:14:40.199 --> 02:14:42.239
your own lane. Perhaps that's all I'm trying to say.
2489
02:14:42.319 --> 02:14:45.880
Now, I just look, I'll disagree respectfully. I think stay
2490
02:14:45.880 --> 02:14:48.279
in your own lane is propag yeah, absolutely, no, no, no,
2491
02:14:48.560 --> 02:14:52.640
because hey, look we're sloppy. Humans are sloppy. We're supposed
2492
02:14:52.680 --> 02:14:55.399
to be in this lane and in that lane. And
2493
02:14:55.560 --> 02:14:57.560
I don't mean in traffic, don't do that, stay in
2494
02:14:57.600 --> 02:15:01.800
your lane in traffic, but otherwise, like through our mind space,
2495
02:15:01.880 --> 02:15:04.439
we're supposed to be a little sloppy. We're supposed to
2496
02:15:04.640 --> 02:15:07.159
disagree with ourselves yesterday and today. We're supposed to have
2497
02:15:07.279 --> 02:15:09.880
new ideas tomorrow. And so that's the point. That's the
2498
02:15:09.920 --> 02:15:13.000
point of what humans are. So you know, I mean,
2499
02:15:13.640 --> 02:15:15.800
like I get it, and I know that what I'm
2500
02:15:15.840 --> 02:15:19.119
saying about religion when you're young resonates, and Herschel says this,
2501
02:15:19.159 --> 02:15:21.439
and this is very, very pertinent to this. He says,
2502
02:15:21.520 --> 02:15:23.840
a loss or rejection of religion is an imperative to
2503
02:15:23.880 --> 02:15:28.560
finding God. And look, I agree, I agree, And that
2504
02:15:28.920 --> 02:15:31.279
type of thing right there is exactly what this is about.
2505
02:15:31.560 --> 02:15:35.319
It's and you know, there's a conspiracy meme that's like
2506
02:15:35.399 --> 02:15:38.760
you know, the always Sonny in Philadelphia or whatever. They're like,
2507
02:15:38.920 --> 02:15:42.039
you know, some of us found God like this, and
2508
02:15:42.159 --> 02:15:44.079
you don't have to listen to some guy like reading
2509
02:15:44.239 --> 02:15:48.720
you know, Ecclesiastic Keys to fourteen or whatever to you
2510
02:15:48.840 --> 02:15:51.760
to find God. Like, hey, if God's out there, God's
2511
02:15:51.800 --> 02:15:55.079
talking to us, and if you can find God without that,
2512
02:15:55.319 --> 02:15:57.079
then I think that's what this has always been about.
2513
02:15:57.399 --> 02:15:58.119
By a star brother.
2514
02:15:59.079 --> 02:16:02.159
That's why I'm glad there's a great counterculture that exists
2515
02:16:02.199 --> 02:16:04.800
in the Holy Land of Mormonism, and.
2516
02:16:05.119 --> 02:16:08.279
I've been a part of it. It's a strong force.
2517
02:16:08.560 --> 02:16:10.600
You know, you try to, you know, you got to
2518
02:16:10.680 --> 02:16:10.920
have that.
2519
02:16:11.600 --> 02:16:13.680
It's a good balance. But you you know, you have
2520
02:16:13.840 --> 02:16:19.319
this very dominant, like oppressive force of religion. You have
2521
02:16:19.439 --> 02:16:22.399
to have this counterculture that comes in its own force
2522
02:16:22.520 --> 02:16:25.359
and just says, hey, we're not going to deal with it.
2523
02:16:25.479 --> 02:16:27.760
We're not going to accept this for your your narrative
2524
02:16:27.760 --> 02:16:29.640
of things. We're going to bring your own things. And
2525
02:16:30.000 --> 02:16:32.280
that's important too. It's you know, the beauty. You gotta
2526
02:16:32.319 --> 02:16:35.760
let that that also something that thrives. So that's all
2527
02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:37.440
I'm going to say, brother.
2528
02:16:38.000 --> 02:16:40.360
Find the beauty, stick with the beauty, and don't forget
2529
02:16:40.360 --> 02:16:44.000
the beauty is also you Like, if you can't recognize beauty,
2530
02:16:44.799 --> 02:16:48.120
then right, we're doing something wrong. So the recognition of
2531
02:16:48.200 --> 02:16:51.239
beauty in and of itself is beauty itself. You get it.
2532
02:16:51.479 --> 02:16:54.920
So you're beautiful. Appreciate your brother. Appreciate your brother. You're
2533
02:16:54.959 --> 02:16:57.040
the best. I thank you for listening, thank you for calling.
2534
02:16:57.200 --> 02:17:00.319
Always a pleasure. Glad to have you back. And Jacob
2535
02:17:00.520 --> 02:17:04.760
arsher boy Mafisto walls on on a discord here. Please
2536
02:17:04.760 --> 02:17:06.440
give him a follow. I'm gonna drop you down. Thanks
2537
02:17:06.440 --> 02:17:08.479
for the call. You know what to do go give
2538
02:17:08.559 --> 02:17:11.200
him a follow troubleminds dot org forward size friends. A
2539
02:17:11.479 --> 02:17:14.120
very talented musician that got great thinker as you can tell.
2540
02:17:14.520 --> 02:17:16.920
And that's the point. Let's, you know, all of our
2541
02:17:17.000 --> 02:17:21.600
skills come together in this space troubleminds dot org. Click
2542
02:17:21.639 --> 02:17:24.200
the friends link or forward slash friends, scroll down, very easy.
2543
02:17:24.360 --> 02:17:27.079
Jacob's on there. That's Jacob right there. Boom, go check
2544
02:17:27.079 --> 02:17:29.000
out his music, Go support our friends. And that's that's
2545
02:17:29.040 --> 02:17:31.079
the whole point of this. I have no idea who
2546
02:17:31.120 --> 02:17:33.559
this is. It's a Las Vegas area code, so I'm
2547
02:17:33.600 --> 02:17:35.879
hoping it's not a troll from my work or something.
2548
02:17:36.280 --> 02:17:40.399
Let's go for it. Mystery caller, mystery caller West of
2549
02:17:40.440 --> 02:17:42.719
the Rockies. You're on Troubled Minds. What's your first name?
2550
02:17:42.719 --> 02:17:43.760
Where you call them from? Go right head?
2551
02:17:46.520 --> 02:17:50.520
Age's Jase from Arizona. I'm calling from my my girl's phone.
2552
02:17:50.520 --> 02:17:52.399
I apologize she has a different area code.
2553
02:17:52.920 --> 02:17:53.360
That's okay.
2554
02:17:53.719 --> 02:17:53.920
I was.
2555
02:17:54.000 --> 02:17:55.920
I was worried with somebody from my work that found me.
2556
02:17:56.000 --> 02:17:57.879
So you're good to go ahead, and what do you got?
2557
02:18:01.840 --> 02:18:02.319
Yeah, I know.
2558
02:18:02.440 --> 02:18:06.479
I'm glad uh uh for the topic. Tonight always is
2559
02:18:06.520 --> 02:18:08.520
interesting and thanks again. I'll try to make it quick,
2560
02:18:08.719 --> 02:18:11.479
but uh, just drop in some knowledge again.
2561
02:18:11.479 --> 02:18:12.000
Just as you do.
2562
02:18:13.319 --> 02:18:15.479
I don't know where to take it per se regarding
2563
02:18:15.520 --> 02:18:18.799
the topic. I guess just elevation and some of the
2564
02:18:18.920 --> 02:18:25.760
interesting perspectives or points that the callers made. But again,
2565
02:18:26.360 --> 02:18:29.760
you know, I'm not expecting, uh, I'm just expecting truth
2566
02:18:29.799 --> 02:18:31.920
to come out of my mouth, not really, you know, uh,
2567
02:18:32.280 --> 02:18:34.920
any feedback or anything. I mean, to each his own perspective,
2568
02:18:35.040 --> 02:18:38.799
but uh, the elevations, I don't know how deep you
2569
02:18:38.879 --> 02:18:43.280
guys get into it with research outside of man made
2570
02:18:44.399 --> 02:18:48.559
search queries. I guess more like books and uh, you know,
2571
02:18:49.520 --> 02:18:52.000
I guess forbidden knowledge, not even forbidden knowledge, but knowledge
2572
02:18:52.000 --> 02:18:54.920
that's not even being pursued anymore because people lack the
2573
02:18:55.639 --> 02:18:58.879
I guess, the effort and initiative to really sit down
2574
02:18:59.120 --> 02:19:02.040
and be bored and actually go through page by page
2575
02:19:02.079 --> 02:19:06.000
to find the accurate information. But I guess this kind
2576
02:19:06.000 --> 02:19:09.159
of goes back to the different cultures as well as
2577
02:19:10.280 --> 02:19:14.479
you know, NASA, the Department of Defense, et cetera. And
2578
02:19:15.319 --> 02:19:17.079
for me, what I've kind of gathered is just the
2579
02:19:17.200 --> 02:19:21.120
elevation aspect is it's the firmament again. And I don't
2580
02:19:21.120 --> 02:19:24.280
know if you guys ever looked into like the original
2581
02:19:24.399 --> 02:19:27.239
texts or books that were published during our times, not
2582
02:19:27.360 --> 02:19:28.719
even ancient times per se.
2583
02:19:28.840 --> 02:19:30.040
But I forgot it was.
2584
02:19:30.079 --> 02:19:33.120
I think it was an encyclopedia, and one of my
2585
02:19:33.239 --> 02:19:34.840
uncles he gave me one, and it's in there. I
2586
02:19:34.879 --> 02:19:36.920
think it was like in the nineteen fifties or forties.
2587
02:19:36.959 --> 02:19:40.520
It was printed about the firmament and the elevation, and
2588
02:19:41.600 --> 02:19:44.479
it kind of pertains the way the cultures were so
2589
02:19:44.680 --> 02:19:48.159
high in those mountain ranges like Peru, and you know,
2590
02:19:48.360 --> 02:19:53.159
the monks at et cetera. But what's interesting too, I
2591
02:19:53.280 --> 02:19:56.959
kind of came across the number one consumer of helium
2592
02:19:57.079 --> 02:20:01.440
is NASA and the Department of Defense, and then the
2593
02:20:01.559 --> 02:20:03.959
ones that own it is Excell Mobile and they are
2594
02:20:04.600 --> 02:20:08.399
they own Black Rocks, Vanguard, and those also own all
2595
02:20:08.440 --> 02:20:10.200
the media outlets, Google.
2596
02:20:10.120 --> 02:20:10.600
Et cetera.
2597
02:20:10.719 --> 02:20:13.360
So it kind of makes you wonder, you know, discernment,
2598
02:20:13.559 --> 02:20:17.040
like what is being portrayed per se. And uh, I
2599
02:20:17.120 --> 02:20:19.440
guess our reality today versus what.
2600
02:20:20.520 --> 02:20:21.159
Has been written?
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02:20:21.239 --> 02:20:21.559
I guess.
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02:20:22.799 --> 02:20:24.680
And then what gets even more interesting? I guess my
2603
02:20:24.760 --> 02:20:27.280
mind works a little differently. But I kind of believe
2604
02:20:27.319 --> 02:20:30.399
the Nazis did won't win the war and the reason
2605
02:20:30.440 --> 02:20:32.000
I say that, I mean is if you look at
2606
02:20:32.040 --> 02:20:36.200
it in reality, who ran NASA, you know, Werner von Braun.
2607
02:20:37.360 --> 02:20:39.879
A lot of these Nazis came over here. And then
2608
02:20:40.600 --> 02:20:42.040
I don't know if you guys get deep into it,
2609
02:20:42.159 --> 02:20:44.479
but uh, I dabbled a little bit. I'm part of
2610
02:20:44.520 --> 02:20:47.079
the screen actors guield and I remember back in the
2611
02:20:47.159 --> 02:20:50.959
day just researching a lot of old old Hollywood, like
2612
02:20:51.040 --> 02:20:53.200
in the fifties and forties, during the wars, like World
2613
02:20:53.239 --> 02:20:56.479
War One, world War Two. And one of the playboys
2614
02:20:56.680 --> 02:21:00.479
was Errol Flynn. He was actually a Nazi too, like
2615
02:21:01.079 --> 02:21:02.520
a spy or something like that. I don't know if
2616
02:21:02.520 --> 02:21:05.040
you guys ever researched him. He's pretty interesting. And he
2617
02:21:05.159 --> 02:21:09.319
was a Hollywood star. And again they infiltrated what do
2618
02:21:09.399 --> 02:21:10.559
you want to call I don't know what you want
2619
02:21:10.600 --> 02:21:10.840
to call it?
2620
02:21:10.920 --> 02:21:11.200
Media?
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02:21:11.319 --> 02:21:14.440
Hollywood and with Disney and stuff like that. It's kind
2622
02:21:14.440 --> 02:21:19.239
of interesting how all the characters, I guess per se
2623
02:21:19.319 --> 02:21:22.280
of Germany came over here and they kind of infiltrated,
2624
02:21:23.200 --> 02:21:28.280
you know, different departments of our of our civilization, I guess,
2625
02:21:28.319 --> 02:21:31.680
and how they ran it. And then with Warner von Braun,
2626
02:21:31.760 --> 02:21:35.280
it's really interesting too, not only with his his headstone,
2627
02:21:35.360 --> 02:21:38.000
with what he had written in stone regarding the firmament
2628
02:21:38.079 --> 02:21:42.000
when he died, but his brother he was also a
2629
02:21:42.120 --> 02:21:44.559
character too. He was kind of a playboy and kind
2630
02:21:44.559 --> 02:21:47.479
of funny. But what was interesting is his brother lived
2631
02:21:47.520 --> 02:21:51.200
out here in Arizona and he got caught once by
2632
02:21:51.239 --> 02:21:54.799
the military. He was trying to uh I think it
2633
02:21:54.920 --> 02:21:57.760
was platinum or plutonium. He stole it and he was
2634
02:21:57.799 --> 02:21:59.879
trying to sell. I don't know why, but him and
2635
02:21:59.879 --> 02:22:03.559
his brother were completely two different characters. And anyways, it
2636
02:22:03.639 --> 02:22:06.120
just gets kind of interesting. And then going back to
2637
02:22:06.200 --> 02:22:10.959
civilizations with von Braun, with rockets and stuff like that. Uh,
2638
02:22:11.399 --> 02:22:15.719
he did a lot of trips or expeditions per se
2639
02:22:15.760 --> 02:22:19.760
to Mexico. One of them was the Zona de Celencio,
2640
02:22:19.799 --> 02:22:22.479
the Zona Silence and Mexicoats and I think it's near
2641
02:22:22.639 --> 02:22:25.520
Chihuahua or somewhere. But if you guys get into it,
2642
02:22:25.559 --> 02:22:29.559
it's kind of interesting. You know, the the patterns of
2643
02:22:30.000 --> 02:22:33.520
how everything kind of got woven and then what ended
2644
02:22:33.600 --> 02:22:35.280
up being portrayed, and then you kind of see what's
2645
02:22:35.280 --> 02:22:37.000
going on right now with Elon Musk and all this.
2646
02:22:37.200 --> 02:22:41.479
And then like you said, certain tribes or civilizations. Uh
2647
02:22:41.639 --> 02:22:43.639
when they This is just my belief. I mean again,
2648
02:22:43.680 --> 02:22:46.120
I just think it was the firmament. And it's kind
2649
02:22:46.120 --> 02:22:49.639
of interesting to today with uh, you know per se
2650
02:22:49.719 --> 02:22:52.159
movies or media like uh, you know a lot of them.
2651
02:22:52.959 --> 02:22:55.280
You guys call it science fiction, but they kind of
2652
02:22:55.360 --> 02:22:57.959
steal it like that, Uh that movie for instance. I
2653
02:22:58.000 --> 02:23:00.120
know a lot of people like it is, uh with
2654
02:23:00.280 --> 02:23:03.639
Matthew McConaughey. I forgot the movie, uh where he goes
2655
02:23:03.680 --> 02:23:05.719
to space or something like that on TIMEE Travels or whatever,
2656
02:23:06.719 --> 02:23:09.399
the two D three D. But again that's just that yeah,
2657
02:23:09.559 --> 02:23:12.559
that they're they're knocking off all the spiritual realm aspects
2658
02:23:12.600 --> 02:23:14.200
and just kind of creating their own version of it.
2659
02:23:14.680 --> 02:23:16.120
But it's just a spiritual realm, that's all.
2660
02:23:16.159 --> 02:23:16.319
It is.
2661
02:23:16.399 --> 02:23:18.479
A two D and three D. It's kind of like
2662
02:23:18.559 --> 02:23:21.719
aerial psychology. It gets into like skydiving and aviation and
2663
02:23:21.760 --> 02:23:26.079
stuff like that. But uh, anyways, it's just uh, it's
2664
02:23:26.120 --> 02:23:27.760
interesting per se, you know when you kind of go
2665
02:23:27.879 --> 02:23:30.559
down the truth of the rabbit hole versus kind of
2666
02:23:30.680 --> 02:23:33.719
like you know, the I don't know what the word is,
2667
02:23:33.799 --> 02:23:37.239
not not discernment, but just kind of the the filter
2668
02:23:37.399 --> 02:23:39.159
that they're feeding us through, you know, and then the
2669
02:23:39.239 --> 02:23:42.760
same goes with the per se. I guess whatever you
2670
02:23:42.799 --> 02:23:44.520
want to call them UFOs aliens. I mean, if you
2671
02:23:44.559 --> 02:23:46.120
really look at them, what do they look like? They
2672
02:23:46.200 --> 02:23:50.360
look like demons. And that's just my perspective. And another
2673
02:23:50.479 --> 02:23:52.680
interesting thing too, is like the Book of Solomon, if
2674
02:23:52.719 --> 02:23:56.719
you ever, guys get into his writings, he talks about
2675
02:23:56.719 --> 02:24:00.399
shooting stars, and you know, if you get into his text,
2676
02:24:00.440 --> 02:24:02.600
it's interesting what he writes, and it's it's based upon
2677
02:24:03.239 --> 02:24:05.959
the wisdom of God, and he talks about shooting stars
2678
02:24:06.000 --> 02:24:10.799
being uh, the demons falling from they fly up to
2679
02:24:10.959 --> 02:24:13.120
the realm of the firmament to.
2680
02:24:13.399 --> 02:24:14.319
Eavesdrop on God.
2681
02:24:15.079 --> 02:24:16.920
And I'm not making this stuff up. I mean, I
2682
02:24:17.000 --> 02:24:19.520
know it sounds like this sounds crazier than what you
2683
02:24:19.600 --> 02:24:22.840
guys are into in Hollywood and movies and what, you know,
2684
02:24:22.920 --> 02:24:27.120
what they're brainwashing us with. But again, to each his own,
2685
02:24:27.120 --> 02:24:28.680
I mean, I'm not expecting you guys to go down
2686
02:24:28.760 --> 02:24:31.040
that path or you know, whatever you guys believe. I respect,
2687
02:24:32.319 --> 02:24:34.559
but you know, I just appreciate what you guys do.
2688
02:24:34.600 --> 02:24:35.959
I kind of feel like this is a church and
2689
02:24:36.000 --> 02:24:38.719
we're all just kind of coming together with knowledge and
2690
02:24:39.000 --> 02:24:42.559
hopefully discerning the truth from from the nonsense, which a
2691
02:24:42.639 --> 02:24:46.479
lot of it is nonsense here in America, not just here,
2692
02:24:46.520 --> 02:24:50.200
but again, just look up the look up the elevation
2693
02:24:50.479 --> 02:24:53.719
aspect of that, and then research it per se and
2694
02:24:54.000 --> 02:24:55.959
it'll get interesting. I mean, like I said, I can't
2695
02:24:56.319 --> 02:24:58.520
I don't have all the answers, but I mean a
2696
02:24:58.600 --> 02:25:00.719
lot of it's truth. It's kind of when you go
2697
02:25:00.840 --> 02:25:04.680
down the path of von Braun. And you know, even
2698
02:25:05.520 --> 02:25:07.840
Jack Parsons he was he was a cool character too.
2699
02:25:08.280 --> 02:25:09.879
I don't know if you guys ever researched him. One
2700
02:25:09.879 --> 02:25:12.920
of the guys in the military, and he was deeply
2701
02:25:13.000 --> 02:25:16.840
involved in I guess they stole a lot of the
2702
02:25:16.920 --> 02:25:18.760
teachings from the church and they kind of did their
2703
02:25:18.799 --> 02:25:22.319
own version of it, but again calling upon the spiritual realm,
2704
02:25:22.399 --> 02:25:24.920
you know, and it's they were able to communicate to
2705
02:25:25.040 --> 02:25:28.200
the spiritual realm per sae two D three D, you know.
2706
02:25:28.479 --> 02:25:31.799
And anyways, I'll let you guys go. I gotta get going.
2707
02:25:31.920 --> 02:25:34.120
But you know, thanks again for what you do, and
2708
02:25:34.760 --> 02:25:34.959
you know.
2709
02:25:35.079 --> 02:25:37.280
Take care. There's the best. Thanks for the cale, appreciate
2710
02:25:37.319 --> 02:25:39.520
it very much. You'd be safe out there, Have a
2711
02:25:39.559 --> 02:25:42.680
great night. And we'll talk to you soon. Yeah, I
2712
02:25:42.760 --> 02:25:46.120
me love. That's uh. The Jay in Arizona, the official
2713
02:25:46.120 --> 02:25:48.120
sky diver of Arizona, he had a dip. I had
2714
02:25:48.120 --> 02:25:51.079
a question for him, and I'll just leave this here
2715
02:25:51.159 --> 02:25:54.520
with you guys to ponder. Is that he brought up
2716
02:25:54.559 --> 02:25:59.600
the firmament and the firmament itself of course is it's
2717
02:25:59.600 --> 02:26:04.639
a name term. But also he spends a lot of
2718
02:26:04.719 --> 02:26:07.440
time in airplanes jumping out of him, so he's probably
2719
02:26:07.520 --> 02:26:11.440
had a better look of the firmament than I ever have.
2720
02:26:12.120 --> 02:26:13.879
So I kind of wanted to ask him anyway, just
2721
02:26:13.959 --> 02:26:19.399
a just a thought experiment for y'all. I'm not from Texas,
2722
02:26:19.799 --> 02:26:24.159
but y'all anyway, that's it. Hey, look, I'm just me.
2723
02:26:24.760 --> 02:26:26.360
And by the way, if you think that you can't
2724
02:26:26.440 --> 02:26:30.280
be a talk show host, maybe you can challenge yourself.
2725
02:26:30.959 --> 02:26:35.159
It just took six eight, ten, fifteen, thirty, one hundred
2726
02:26:35.159 --> 02:26:39.120
and fifty months of nobody listening to be able to
2727
02:26:39.360 --> 02:26:41.319
have the thoughts in my head come to my mouth
2728
02:26:41.799 --> 02:26:46.520
coherently to do this. So please, if you're not inspired
2729
02:26:46.559 --> 02:26:48.639
by this, I don't know. Like I said, shut out
2730
02:26:48.719 --> 02:26:51.239
Herschel and everybody else. I appreciate you guys for creating
2731
02:26:51.319 --> 02:26:55.319
the things you do. It's easy, it's easier than it looks,
2732
02:26:56.479 --> 02:26:58.520
but also it's harder than it looks. But if you
2733
02:26:58.559 --> 02:27:01.559
don't try, you don't get. Yeah, James, anything to ad,
2734
02:27:01.840 --> 02:27:03.520
You're the man. Appreciate you very much. Thanks for being
2735
02:27:03.600 --> 02:27:06.319
patient and part of the thing and the glue of
2736
02:27:06.319 --> 02:27:09.239
the show. You're an animal and I mean that in
2737
02:27:09.239 --> 02:27:10.079
the nicest way.
2738
02:27:12.120 --> 02:27:13.840
And just glad to be here.
2739
02:27:13.959 --> 02:27:18.079
Big calls all night and yeah I am no, I
2740
02:27:18.159 --> 02:27:20.680
think I'm pretty this animal was pretty well worn out.
2741
02:27:23.200 --> 02:27:25.079
Yeah, thank you for having me on as always.
2742
02:27:25.600 --> 02:27:33.079
Thanks for being here. We'll say for James. Oh oh, James.
2743
02:27:33.520 --> 02:27:36.280
James is the coyote tonight who worn out by dark
2744
02:27:36.360 --> 02:27:38.879
of night. I did Ricky show. He's on the show.
2745
02:27:39.680 --> 02:27:41.239
Feel better? I know he had. He had an eye
2746
02:27:41.239 --> 02:27:43.840
exam recently and it kicked his butt for a few days.
2747
02:27:43.879 --> 02:27:47.159
But rest up, feel better. Always a pleasure. Thanks for
2748
02:27:47.200 --> 02:27:49.719
being part of this. You are the best, as you know.
2749
02:27:52.159 --> 02:27:52.799
Thank you for having me.
2750
02:27:53.040 --> 02:27:56.680
It's always glad to have you. Look, hey, do the
2751
02:27:56.760 --> 02:27:58.760
thing right like this is this is the point I
2752
02:27:58.920 --> 02:28:02.520
recognize that it's okay to be wrong about things. It's
2753
02:28:02.559 --> 02:28:05.680
okay to be right about things. But this is where
2754
02:28:05.879 --> 02:28:10.319
not just the modern culture war rests. It's where the
2755
02:28:10.479 --> 02:28:15.000
narratives of history, of the modern times, and of the future,
2756
02:28:15.760 --> 02:28:19.040
where this all comes together. Like if you can't recognize
2757
02:28:19.040 --> 02:28:22.399
that everybody's trying to tell you a story and convince
2758
02:28:22.440 --> 02:28:26.319
you of something that you may not be super hyped about.
2759
02:28:26.360 --> 02:28:29.440
It's like, look, I'm not super hyped about a lot
2760
02:28:29.479 --> 02:28:33.680
of the things people trying to tell me. I'm like, well, interesting,
2761
02:28:33.879 --> 02:28:36.120
tell me more. Not this group. Of course, this group
2762
02:28:36.239 --> 02:28:41.120
is on fire and on point. And notice our cup
2763
02:28:41.200 --> 02:28:44.159
runneth over. We have so many incredible, smart people with
2764
02:28:44.280 --> 02:28:48.959
amazing ideas from different walks of life. And do recognize, please,
2765
02:28:49.000 --> 02:28:51.639
if that's what it's about, honestly, Like, you can't do
2766
02:28:51.760 --> 02:28:53.559
this man on the street stuff. You might get stabbed.
2767
02:28:53.719 --> 02:28:56.079
I mean, you know, go downtown Vegas with a microphone.
2768
02:28:56.719 --> 02:28:58.639
I mean, you know, at least here in my home
2769
02:28:58.719 --> 02:29:00.879
I'm safe. I'm not going to get stabbed. Not that
2770
02:29:00.959 --> 02:29:02.760
I expect any of you to stab me, but you
2771
02:29:02.840 --> 02:29:06.200
know what I mean. It's it's it's it's very important
2772
02:29:06.280 --> 02:29:09.159
for people to talk to each other outside of the
2773
02:29:09.200 --> 02:29:14.280
physical space. Is some monstrous mountain of a dude, it's like, oh, yeah,
2774
02:29:16.360 --> 02:29:19.639
what are you mean, little man? Like I meant, uh,
2775
02:29:20.200 --> 02:29:25.840
we're having a conversation like, uh, don't bury me please. Anyway,
2776
02:29:25.879 --> 02:29:30.559
you get the idea, So what's about. Ideas will live forever,
2777
02:29:30.799 --> 02:29:34.479
people will come and go. Okay, so entertain the ideas
2778
02:29:34.479 --> 02:29:36.719
and I appreciate it very much. Thanks for being part
2779
02:29:36.719 --> 02:29:38.120
of this, Thanks for staying top play with us, Thanks
2780
02:29:38.159 --> 02:29:41.920
for caring about whatever comes out of this and all
2781
02:29:42.000 --> 02:29:45.200
of my imperfections, Thanks for excusing them. Appreciate you guys
2782
02:29:45.280 --> 02:29:47.399
very much. If you want to help us, we know
2783
02:29:47.479 --> 02:29:50.639
the drill. Help our friends, troubleminds dot or sport side friends. Click,
2784
02:29:50.760 --> 02:29:52.479
click the things, do the things. There's a wall of
2785
02:29:52.559 --> 02:29:56.000
people there, seal with people. Yeah, it's not an accident.
2786
02:29:56.879 --> 02:30:00.239
An accident. We found each other for a reason. Okay.
2787
02:30:01.520 --> 02:30:03.559
So look, if you appreciate this show and you haven't
2788
02:30:04.040 --> 02:30:06.520
spent some time going down that list and following people
2789
02:30:06.680 --> 02:30:13.559
and helping them legitimately one, you're hurting my feelings. Do
2790
02:30:13.639 --> 02:30:15.280
you want to know how many hours I put into this?
2791
02:30:17.399 --> 02:30:19.120
So don't give me the Oh it's going to take
2792
02:30:19.159 --> 02:30:21.280
me twenty minutes on Thursday, Mike to go through and
2793
02:30:21.319 --> 02:30:24.760
click some things and make some accounts to help these folks. Nope,
2794
02:30:25.079 --> 02:30:28.280
no sympathy. Get your ass over there and follow our friends.
2795
02:30:29.120 --> 02:30:31.079
Ninety five percent of it's free. Ninety eight percent of
2796
02:30:31.079 --> 02:30:33.040
it's free. Put some people selling books here and there,
2797
02:30:33.559 --> 02:30:37.040
and if you have disposable income, you should be helping
2798
02:30:37.319 --> 02:30:42.200
and find their books. Okay, that's it, all right. If
2799
02:30:42.239 --> 02:30:43.799
you want to help us directly spread the word. Let
2800
02:30:43.840 --> 02:30:47.079
people know what conversation is happening. But we're not going
2801
02:30:47.120 --> 02:30:48.680
to tell you to vote for We're not going to
2802
02:30:48.760 --> 02:30:51.440
take their narratives and stuff them down your throat. We're
2803
02:30:51.440 --> 02:30:54.360
going to talk about ideas that are ancient and modern
2804
02:30:54.520 --> 02:30:58.760
and futuristic. And that's how this works. This one goes
2805
02:30:58.799 --> 02:31:01.479
out to each and every one of you. Be sure,
2806
02:31:02.600 --> 02:31:07.840
be strong, be true. Thank you for listening from our
2807
02:31:07.920 --> 02:31:11.200
troubled minds to yours. Have a great night.