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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, I'm your host Paula Skatalone, the founder of Transformative Permanix, the podcast that offers listeners a synthesis of ancient wisdom and modern science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like we're so afraid of ourselves and the voice is this this medium that is audible so we can't run away from it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking is is one thing but singing is a whole other animal so the energy of the body
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[SPEAKER_00]: meeting the light of consciousness that actually is light that I see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, let's talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha, so let's talk about who know this is where it was going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello listeners, welcome back to the transformative Hermonex podcast I'm your host Paula Sketteloni.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As usual, I would like us to take a few moments before we begin to create some space in the body and the nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that we give credence to this beautiful conversation that I have a feeling is about to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always like us to be in a receptive mode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you haven't slowed down and you haven't taken a moment to look at your surroundings or just get a sense of your nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe take a deep breath and exhale with a little sigh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And open up, since we'll be talking about the voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and just bringing ourselves a little bit more into the body and into the slower gear, which allows us to retain what's being shared and to feel it through the whole body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the beauty of this conversation today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, welcome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Bumont.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited to have you here today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're coming from Canada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Paula and very nice to meet you and thank you so much for having me on here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thrilled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love what you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love all these guests you have so feel very honored to be here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad we connected.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although, yeah, it was an interesting way that we didn't connect and then I found your email.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm thrilled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I've spent a little time this week just exploring some of your message and so I'm hoping we can get to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I would love to start as usual to give my little listeners a little bit of an idea about your background.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And where you're coming from, because it's so interesting, you're coming from, you know, profession of music and then integrating into the body and energy system now, so it's beautiful, beautiful work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, any piece of your story of where, where does it, where does the start for you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I started singing at a very young age and my dad, my dad, is a singer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he and I began singing together and I was very, very shy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I came into the forefront over time, and then I started to, I went to music school, took singing, and then all of a sudden I was out in the world, catapulted, though from like from a cannon almost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sang at the Olympics in 1988.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sang David Foster as part of David Foster's song at the Olympics in Calgary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then shortly after that I was chosen to tour with Mary Wilson of the Supremes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: throughout Europe and parts of parts of the US and Canada, and I was a sort of token, I know this is going to sound strange, but I was a token white person that she wanted to come on to try to break out of this sort of one-sided conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was that then I at some point
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[SPEAKER_00]: with a band and so all of these things now all of the sounds great and it was and I have lots and lots of great stories but at some point along the way I realized that this was too much for me and too much for my nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have those words back then you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I started to sort of split from myself and so my voice was very affected by that because the voice reflects our inner weather, I like to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that was the time that I came back home and then I came back home to myself and I think it was this, it was and a awakening of sorts where I could, I knew that I had to just take a lot of time to just be still.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I did and then I started to find little drops of my voice going into my body as opposed to outside of my body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the turning point where I could feel this medicine that I was a professional singer, I was being paid for all of this and it was all about the audience and it was all
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew that that was killing me to be honest, so it just, because there's grace, I certainly didn't plan any of that, you know, it just started to pour into me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I became this like curious scientist of my own body's energy field and sound and energy and and all of a sudden all of this bounty, this beautiful energy and me began to rise up again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a start.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the turning point for you was your own journey of realizing that this gift of your voice which was going out was actually harming you in the end and that there was something you needed to listen to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I, there are these performance and there's these personalities I want to say that will take over a singer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, take over anybody that is in a great deal of exposure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the performer, let's say it's a performer personality or even an archetype we could even go there, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It, it just grew so big that it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: I became this performing person that had lost me, so this personality, this archetype, this just sort of came on me so hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a call for me to uncover and find myself again inside of that underneath that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard that from other musicians I've worked with and there's a re-establishing relationship with music for yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so from now what type of things do you explore inside during that time period where you require it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, how the body holds sound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, this was not something that I had run into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was something that I was documenting and I was writing about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and that was then that I started to teach singing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was able to, I was able to really...
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[SPEAKER_00]: help my students and of course the right students appear before you when you're you're learning something and it's just you know there was do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a beautiful playground for me to explore my own healing using my voice and using I will say space and silence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: energy and light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the energy of the body, meeting the light of consciousness that actually is light that I see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, let's talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Going out this is where it was going, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, yeah, when I became really still,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, everything would go black and white in like a negative, like a negative, and I could see the light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see, so when I was, when I was using these tones and these notes to try to get my voice back, I mean, the whole thing was about me trying to heal my voice, so I could, so I could sing, you know, I was really, I was really clean to that because of course
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I didn't really know what was going on with me and I didn't like, I was just like, okay, let's just get on with this, you know, let's just get on with this and help me to have this voice again, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it of course became the larger stacking doll, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: my voice is the medium that all of these energies on the light is using to help me refract, to help me to embody, to help me to lengthen, to help me stretch and horizontally and vertically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is something I do a lot with my students and something
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[SPEAKER_00]: is about stretching energy using sound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, stretching energy, I don't know if I've ever actually said that before, but it feels about like, it's like this, here's my slinky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I call slinky science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my slinky science, by the way, I should totally go to the creative, so stretches energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I was experiencing, and then this way as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can see in all of these runs that there's become space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was feeling the space is coming back into my body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In like, it was like I was in my own lab.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what we do when we're healing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We might have a therapist for an hour but then you're on your own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And especially if you have to get back out there
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I became quite, I became very aware of two things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The sense of stillness and consciousness, and I mean, I wouldn't have called it then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I wouldn't have called it that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The light and the sense of flow of energy moving and the ground and all of the elements
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[SPEAKER_00]: But really, there is just two things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The energy moving and the container holding that energy and how the voice help to spread and organize it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk, let's go there next.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like to say that vibration is
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[SPEAKER_00]: Organizational in its essence and mathematical in its nature, it could be the other way around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it is organizational, vibration, I'm sure you know this, vibration is mathematical and organizational.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it takes this energy which is just really unconscious energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like pain, trauma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's unconscious energy that is looking to be organized to be purified, it's looking and I had a lot of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so using the high notes for me were the most beneficial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the high notes seemed to, they had a higher frequency, and they organized, and then I could move and do different notes, and I would feel the benefits of the organizing going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm following you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your body is a tuning fork.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your body is an instrument.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the voice comes through and it's self-healing capacity, because it's organizing the places where there's blocks using sound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we can then we can cry something that's been trapped, because getting actually grieving and crying and letting go is not that easy if it's been really compartmentalized for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when I started to explore the use of making sounds and using my voice, I started with a couple of people, probably like yourself or, you know, finding people that were teaching this and this invitation to just hear our own voice because most of us don't do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're conditioned out of it and do you find that a lot of that sort of a first
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[SPEAKER_01]: be okay to hear their own voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a huge part of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like we're so afraid of ourselves and the voice is this, this medium that is audible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can't run away from it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking is one thing, but singing is a whole other animal that exposes us in the way
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[SPEAKER_00]: not a lot does like this because you can hear the nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can hear the sound of a person's fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can hear, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can hear that they're trapped or and so people know this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: how afraid I was of my own voice because I didn't want to be exposed to that degree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I understand this and so I can help people who have this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, people, there are, I mean, I've worked with a lot of professional singers in my life loads, but at this stage, there's a lot of mainly women that come who have gone through a lot and they haven't
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[SPEAKER_00]: a way to process and they think, oh, you know, what I'll take singing lessons and then they come to me and then they realize, oh, this is a lot more helpful than I thought, you know, I would say take singing lessons is cheaper than therapy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's what you don't know why it didn't, too, because maybe people aren't going to go and it's it's also what I love, it is playful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: less of the, you know, sit across for me and the, you know, Western model.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And um, it was used in cultures across civilization, sound and music, and movement, right, as a primary medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and now it's like singing is this weird thing that is just for karaoke and performance, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's very different, very different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, one of the things that's go back to the nervous system because so I found I use sound technology to work with the vagal nerve and the vagus nerve in the nervous system and I always find that people's voice changes as they come into more safety in the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I heard you speaking on a podcast about disability to assess people by simply listening to the voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not only you're assessing safety and threat, but you also can assess the masculine and the feminine dynamics within them through
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[SPEAKER_00]: the voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that you brought up the Vegas pair of years and years ago, I ran into Stephen Porges on this really, you know, hard to hear YouTube video and this was like when he was just coming out with the Vegas nerve information, the polyvigal theory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: that really caught my attention and it helped me to really get a piece about the face that I hadn't I'd been doing with my students and because I knew that the face if you did a certain thing it would help switch something on but I didn't know what that was until I studied
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[SPEAKER_00]: to I really learned about the vagus nerve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, this masculine and feminine, I think that that was one of the first sort of big pieces that came from me, the masculine and the feminine, and how the voice is a reflection of two energies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can just imagine every single opposite energy, every single comes through the voice in terms of dark and light, Yin and Yang, and in musician or voice teacher speak, it's the head voice and the chest voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the sound that refuf that is felt up here is the head voice and the sound that is felt in the chest, of course, it's just voice, it sounds obvious and it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But those two energies have to fit through this little tiny vocal cords and become one note from two different energies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: has a different intonation, has a different tone, a different way of playing than the masculine does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And women have become quite masculinized, if that's a word, and the sound of the voice becomes quite dropped, quite low.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what it does is it comes out of it compresses, first of all, it compresses a woman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: out of her length into this compression, which is going all the way down into the diaphragm and all the way down into the belly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a big old squasher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can hear that in the sound of the voice that doesn't have any right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to exaggerate the sense of musicality
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[SPEAKER_00]: this kind of thing oh my god oh wow you know no none of that is allowed if it's being been controlled and if the system is guarding trauma
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's guarding trauma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's guarding trauma, the voice has to do its part in keeping the lid on that trauma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By lowering it and becoming very strong and becoming very much in command and these are people that are running the world, you know, talking like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and it hurts my throat even doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it just makes me feel way too compressed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that answers the question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I start to think about how mechanical some people can be, especially, and I was in academia for a lot of years, Duke University, and you know, and the...
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[SPEAKER_01]: The safety comes from knowing a lot when you're in institutions, not, not, not creatively bringing forward what is moving through you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just think of all the ways society perpetuates and the systems that we move through perpetuate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then trauma, which we could also say is emotions, blocked emotions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so part of your work with people is using the voice to open a valve, so that emotions can start to move through them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, beautifully said that I love air valve, you know, taking the lid off and at first it can be quite volatile, you know, until things get settled down or the opposite, it's just a tiny trickle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But usually the stories will come out which is fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm, I'm, then we'll sort of go into a back and forth between talk therapy and, and then singing and just give them a voice sometimes, not not everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I do have just regular voice students that just want to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just happens, there's just an organic nature to this, but singing as we keep talking about this organizing nature, so a person will speak and talk and then I'll just sort of go, okay, well then let's organize again, which is maybe regulating in the somatic therapies and it maybe it's regulate, but I don't say that, it just say like, this is
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe singing a song, but sometimes the singing of songs is not ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not, they can't sing songs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's too, they're too split or it's too much to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just a few notes in a really beautiful connection to the vagus nerve, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, you know, we fire up again, you know, everything fires up and it's just like this is this has been my life of being fired up and being a performer and I'm just like can't I can't do it, you know, I just I want to I want to help people to not
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[SPEAKER_00]: unground and lift out of themselves in order to perform for society, which is actually lying to them about everything to do with what's healthy and natural.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What they need to do in order to belong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I certainly did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, I certainly have done a lot in
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[SPEAKER_00]: the reaching through the performing is a very big wound that's so many of the performers that I work with half, so I work with the performance anxiety a great deal with my performers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, there's always the trauma's underneath all of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How about the person who's performing, but does it know they're performing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the majority.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the majority.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, boy, that is like a, because this was, this was me too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can, I can recognize, I call it the storefront.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a storefront that comes over people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there isn't a connection to the audience in that way, is the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a real authentic connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'd like to think that I was connecting and being good at my job, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to think that, and I know that I, you know, obviously had some really good performances and situations that wasn't a black and white.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a black and white thing, but there are people that it's, they don't know connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're performing from a construct, a place in them that is injured.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, I could see it all the time, you know, when I go see
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like louder and louder is better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bigger is better, more pushing, bigger, you know, stronger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is everything we're talking about, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I'm starting to really think about you probably have a lot to say about what's happening in the world, in the music industry, right now, and what you see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It must be fascinating to think about things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say this one thing, and then we'll go back to, because I have some questions about the voice, but I do remember going to a concert with my child over 16 year old, and I was just watching the people respond to the person and trying to feel into that energy of what was happening between them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were all ages.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was 30-year-old men in my 16-year-old daughter and somehow this musician had found this way of touching all of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, it was, so I think that's part of that resonance that is not in everyone right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not, you know, in whenever my students are preparing for a concert, I will have them perform, I will have them sing their song, and I will know that they've disconnected and the thing that I always say to them is, because I could think,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You lost me, I lost you, because I could feel the people, the other students watching, I could feel them wanting to go to their phone or something, then you lost me, so because you had lost you, so don't try to get to me, try to get to you, and then you'll get me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, there was any advice for any performers, you know, if there's anything else, don't try to get to me, get to you, then yes, to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we can invite folks who are listening to draw that as a very general statement as well beyond the performers, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: right, especially those using social media or even if, you know, you're promoting your business or whatever you're doing of of staying connected to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is really hard, especially with social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is, it is like cocaine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very, it takes us out of our embodiment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so many things take us out of our embodiment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of the things I thought about, if you're listening to you on their podcasts, you've talked about the connection between these important parts of the body, the root and the throat, the third eye and the throat, the heart and the throat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe we can drop into that little
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening with those connections?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, I studied the shockers for a very long time and I got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They really all of this information really helped me a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was never really, I never really learned about what I call now the inner relationships between the shockers and their functionality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was something, it was a big piece of work for me to come together with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if we talk about how I break them down, so yes, the throat,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the root is like, there is, I am, I have a right to be here, the root, and I have a right to speak or sing the throat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have a right to be here and to use my voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I will say then that the sound of my voice grounds me into my I amness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the sound that grounds, then becomes the ground, that sounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can just see this beautiful feedback loop of ground and sound and like it's real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that was something because I was so, you know, needing all of these things, you know, I've really spent a lot of time working with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have the the third eye and now there are way more subtleties to that I can speak about coming but let me just give you this little system here first so so the third eye and the belly so the sacred chakra.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is like the light of our eyes, the light of consciousness, the clarity of the voice, the clarity of the voice coming into the emotional movement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the stillness of the eyes, the stillness holding stillness being able to hold what I call the flickering candle-mind steady.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that helps the emotional nature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: of our water body, like light on water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those two come together beautifully.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can imagine there's other things, like, of course, the creativity and the imagination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I like the idea of the light on water reflecting in the water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sure you've heard about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you add sound to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it really makes that come to life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know the glistening water and yeah it's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then the crown chakra, the crown and the third chakra.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these are the two wills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My will versus thy will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's just one more thing maybe I'll talk about with that that has come into my awareness maybe the few years ago, which is the relationship between the warrior archetype in the solar
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be purified, be allowed, be opened alongside the voice, is the solar plexus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is our breath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is our power and our breath coming together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those two, the throat and this are the most immediate relationship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes we have to do a lot of fancy footings all over the place in order for this one to get some softening and some settling down into the ground, all of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to complete that thought about the warrior in the solar plexus, the warrior is in a relationship and not really quite disconnected from the king of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a at-logger heads, this is what I'd see, mainly with the women, the dark, dark patriarchal kind of energies that have infiltrated and taken up so maybe you can let me know if this fits in with this last piece, all of that I can track and see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: happens in the programs and the ways that we're using sound as the emotions release the voice opens and and something shifts in and the voice changes the whole sound of the voice changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more resonant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: as the safety comes in the body in the first chakra, there's a slowness and cadence of the voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a right in the up and down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the last piece and this is just my personal story and you can tell me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So so I was listening to Dr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Port just way back 2018 and he was talking about did
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[SPEAKER_01]: COVID, but it started to open up that third chakra and then more recently I picked up a drum and just started letting myself make sounds and the power that's coming through the voice in that third as this piece
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[SPEAKER_01]: is opening and my connection instead of the connection to the patriarchy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's connection to something else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the songs and the feminine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, it's just been fascinating and there's a lot of power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, the power of the voice, hey, when it
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's a beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm guessing, you know, you're seeing that transformation, that kind of transformation happening in women, that have a knowingly inherited the patriarchy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even want to use that word, just the ingestion of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: the evolution of what's happened to us, this energy, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's repressive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just part of where we're at, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's part of where we're at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah, as you work with them, they're coming back into their power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the sense of the warrior becomes more like a light warrior, and then works for the person to help the voice,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's been used to stop the voice, to hold the voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like, my image is a beach ball underwater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is being held down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The beach ball is the diaphragm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, there's just been no way for so many to know how to take the lid off that to even know that it's happening first of all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then how do we safely take it off because they want to sing usually when they come to me people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they have the secret, you know, I want to say, but it's like this very, it's the secret, you know, I want to sing, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like a shameful thing and they kind of have to run into this, you don't did anybody see me kind of thing, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I'm exaggerating a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you catch by drift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for the secret of their power, for their secret of also alongside of it, the grief and the shame and the hurts and the wounds to be able to be allowed all of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like power's got to be purified.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just, uh, it'll arrive and then it brings into the system the next level of what's ready to be processed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get more water, more power and then we get more sediment and we got to go through that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the beauty is they don't, they don't know everything they're signing up for when they come in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That it's transformational.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The transformation
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what a beautiful way to do it, because it's, you know, I think sometimes, I mean, I, in my journey, it got to a point where I was just the talking wasn't enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love that we're talking about, well, what else, what is the net?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's it's the future of healing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how do we go back to this medicines?
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[SPEAKER_01]: that we, you know, are just innately part of, they're there for a reason, they're there for a reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I will say that what, I mean, I think we're talking about something that we're talking about singing and how it is this medium for healing
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is also not also, but what I do with the voice is to help, to heal the warrior, and so that all of this, so that the voice itself can begin to move and have expression,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's healing the split between the light and the dark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's healing the split between the masculine and the feminine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to come back to that again, the masculine, the feminine, the light and the dark, there is a split.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, these things are not black and they're not black and white.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But healing the split,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that is seemingly normal, which is, I have a chess voice, and I have a head voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we have one voice that has been separated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are one self that has been separated, and the voice is the correct measurement of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's such a beautiful reflection of our essence and how it is injured or not or flowing or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what is great about it is that it is immediate feedback, immediate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You, like I'll know, it's like, yeah, know that work, know that didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they can do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can do this at any, anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We, it's just making the time to work with your instrument.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And having the right exercises because there's a lot out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, singing like just sing, just like open up and do whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure, for sure, do that until that boards you and your curious about more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then go find somebody like me, that can help you open the heart, which is what happens when the balancing of both of these energies occurs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is that third way, but just the one that ends up showing up in the voice, it's a big thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm teaching a retreat weekend on the 17th of July, so it's called Open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm, you know, I've got this little chat going on with all the participants and I'm telling them, you know, at least little things and I'm like, oh, you know, healing the split and the voice and they're like, oh, yeah, we're just going to do that and I'm like, okay, we're going to give it a shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do what we can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because it's, it's like, whoa, you know, are you ready for the fallout, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah so people will only do like it's always the case now people will only go where they need to go and if people need to have an awakening they will certainly i'm just holding space for it's certainly not my business if you know what i mean yeah i i think that everyone comes in and takes what they're ready for in the
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love to hear that you're doing this in a group setting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what can you share a little bit more of what happens?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's about singing in groups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I run groups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't sing together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what, yeah, what happens when we bring people together to sing together?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have these small groups between four and six people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're always women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we get to do these beautiful little dainty, not dainty, but subtle exercises to help stretch and get up into the temples and up into the ears in order for the energy body to decompress.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll all just teach someone exercise and we'll all do the exercise and maybe I'll zero in on one person just so we can make sure because the exercise is very, very detailed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're magical because they, again, there's this immediacy where you can feel, there's a safety that happens in the body and the energies, they spring up and you can just
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, well, like we will sing songs together, usually songs that I have written, but it's also healing so much of this vagus nerve that is like this hiding, this sort of sense of one of the big, big pieces and the work that I do is about getting the face back into the mix, because the face is quite disconnected in most women in this strange way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you say more about that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is really some of the work that Stephen Porch has helped me to sort out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for a number of years, I would talk about with my students, I'd say, okay, we're going to use the curtains right here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, but we need to have crinkles when we do the curtains in order for the sound to get up into the the resounding container up in here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: out the face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is our expressive face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the pathway of the vagus nerve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The vagus nerve wraps around here at the front.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when we do a little bit of the curtains, what I call the curtains and crinkles, you know, when we do the curtains and the crinkles, what it does is it helps all the people in the group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It sets off the heart, the heart opens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the energies are able to come from a sense of impersonalness, length, verticality, into personal energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The personal energy sets off the vagus nerve in the face, like the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's a sense of flow that begins because it creates a safety between the women, between us all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God, that safety piece you can imagine
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is all leading to them to be on stage where they can feel safe with themselves first, not needing the audience to, you know, it's a big thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love it, I'd love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's exercises for the vagus nerve using.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you be the working with the structures of the actual face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, to get it out of the throat, to get this beautiful, out of the throat, compressive, to get it out of the head, can come on board because that's where we, that's our biggest sounding board is our brain, is our head, not our brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the resonance really wants to play, which is why I went to work and figured out all this around the king and the sage and all this, because it's like, well then, what's blocked and why is the wisdom, you know, the clarity not there and that person?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is that person not making any sense to me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand the meaning has gone from the sound of the voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Rich, I have to listen to this episode myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get into what we're saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like layering neuroscience on top of the movement structure and spirituality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds just fabulous, it sounds fabulous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope what I would like to end with if it's possible, if there are like one practical tip or tool, since that you can give people listening maybe that they could run with and then if they want to find out more about you, they can go to your website, but what can we give them today?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What we can give them today is that the sound of their singing voice, the sound of your voice, has a container, the body, that it needs in order for it to have resonance and clarity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, if we just humm, I want them to feel their lips resonating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want them to feel their cheekbones activate because there's a lot of chi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can actually feel the bones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want them to feel their collarbone, the collarbones are vibrating and especially the back of the head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to help, to lift the energies up out of a compression, the oxybiloidal ridge, the back of the head is huge for that, and then the third eye,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But keep this, get this stimulated, get this stimulated, and your eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So find all these little points that help to wake up, the sleeping, sloppy unconscious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: connection between people that is really built of the pleaser and not from a natural authenticity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I was getting toned by you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I can feel that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, beautiful, beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how can people find you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you mentioned you have something coming up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I'm assuming they can reach out for individual sessions with the best way to reach you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they can go to my website, animalmott.com and you'll see a forum that says, and you'll see all over it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you'll just see my phone number there and my email right at the top.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and a dot boom on to Gmail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can do definitely one on one sessions with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also something that I do call 30 minute connections, which is really fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just 30 minutes on two days from 12 to 12, 30 mountain standard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it gives people a real taste of these bite-size pieces of connection that can happen in 30 minutes to really help the whole person feel grounded, connected, open, using their voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And still, stillness as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go to my website,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just begin this journey of allowing your energies to have their voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And can we add, I don't also want to forget that your music is on Spotify or beautiful music?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it everywhere?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So please, yeah, plug that in and listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is quite a few albums and some beautiful, roomy, roomy poems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the roomy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The roomy album is...
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[SPEAKER_00]: My heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for what you're doing in the world and I'm spending time with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for spending pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a federal pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for being a part of the transformative harmonics community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This helps more people discover these conversations around sound, embodiment, consciousness, and healing to explore this work more deeply, visit transformativehermonics.com, where you can learn more about the wisdom school and our membership community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The wisdom school brings together modern science, ancient wisdom, and embodied practices to support personal transformation and spiritual growth through the body, nervous system, and the relational pathways that influence how we connect to ourselves, each other, and the world around us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, I'm your host Paula Skatalone, the founder of Transformative Permanix, the podcast that offers listeners a synthesis of ancient wisdom and modern science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like we're so afraid of ourselves and the voice is this this medium that is audible so we can't run away from it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking is is one thing but singing is a whole other animal so the energy of the body
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[SPEAKER_00]: meeting the light of consciousness that actually is light that I see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, let's talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha, so let's talk about who know this is where it was going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello listeners, welcome back to the transformative Hermonex podcast I'm your host Paula Sketteloni.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As usual, I would like us to take a few moments before we begin to create some space in the body and the nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that we give credence to this beautiful conversation that I have a feeling is about to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always like us to be in a receptive mode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you haven't slowed down and you haven't taken a moment to look at your surroundings or just get a sense of your nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe take a deep breath and exhale with a little sigh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And open up, since we'll be talking about the voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and just bringing ourselves a little bit more into the body and into the slower gear, which allows us to retain what's being shared and to feel it through the whole body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the beauty of this conversation today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, welcome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Bumont.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited to have you here today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're coming from Canada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Paula and very nice to meet you and thank you so much for having me on here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thrilled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love what you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love all these guests you have so feel very honored to be here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad we connected.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although, yeah, it was an interesting way that we didn't connect and then I found your email.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm thrilled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I've spent a little time this week just exploring some of your message and so I'm hoping we can get to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I would love to start as usual to give my little listeners a little bit of an idea about your background.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And where you're coming from, because it's so interesting, you're coming from, you know, profession of music and then integrating into the body and energy system now, so it's beautiful, beautiful work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, any piece of your story of where, where does it, where does the start for you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I started singing at a very young age and my dad, my dad, is a singer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he and I began singing together and I was very, very shy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I came into the forefront over time, and then I started to, I went to music school, took singing, and then all of a sudden I was out in the world, catapulted, though from like from a cannon almost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sang at the Olympics in 1988.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sang David Foster as part of David Foster's song at the Olympics in Calgary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then shortly after that I was chosen to tour with Mary Wilson of the Supremes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: throughout Europe and parts of parts of the US and Canada, and I was a sort of token, I know this is going to sound strange, but I was a token white person that she wanted to come on to try to break out of this sort of one-sided conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was that then I at some point
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[SPEAKER_00]: with a band and so all of these things now all of the sounds great and it was and I have lots and lots of great stories but at some point along the way I realized that this was too much for me and too much for my nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have those words back then you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I started to sort of split from myself and so my voice was very affected by that because the voice reflects our inner weather, I like to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that was the time that I came back home and then I came back home to myself and I think it was this, it was and a awakening of sorts where I could, I knew that I had to just take a lot of time to just be still.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I did and then I started to find little drops of my voice going into my body as opposed to outside of my body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the turning point where I could feel this medicine that I was a professional singer, I was being paid for all of this and it was all about the audience and it was all
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew that that was killing me to be honest, so it just, because there's grace, I certainly didn't plan any of that, you know, it just started to pour into me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I became this like curious scientist of my own body's energy field and sound and energy and and all of a sudden all of this bounty, this beautiful energy and me began to rise up again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a start.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the turning point for you was your own journey of realizing that this gift of your voice which was going out was actually harming you in the end and that there was something you needed to listen to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I, there are these performance and there's these personalities I want to say that will take over a singer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, take over anybody that is in a great deal of exposure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the performer, let's say it's a performer personality or even an archetype we could even go there, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It, it just grew so big that it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: I became this performing person that had lost me, so this personality, this archetype, this just sort of came on me so hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a call for me to uncover and find myself again inside of that underneath that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard that from other musicians I've worked with and there's a re-establishing relationship with music for yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so from now what type of things do you explore inside during that time period where you require it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, how the body holds sound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, this was not something that I had run into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was something that I was documenting and I was writing about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and that was then that I started to teach singing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was able to, I was able to really...
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[SPEAKER_00]: help my students and of course the right students appear before you when you're you're learning something and it's just you know there was do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a beautiful playground for me to explore my own healing using my voice and using I will say space and silence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: energy and light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the energy of the body, meeting the light of consciousness that actually is light that I see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, let's talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Going out this is where it was going, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, yeah, when I became really still,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, everything would go black and white in like a negative, like a negative, and I could see the light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see, so when I was, when I was using these tones and these notes to try to get my voice back, I mean, the whole thing was about me trying to heal my voice, so I could, so I could sing, you know, I was really, I was really clean to that because of course
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I didn't really know what was going on with me and I didn't like, I was just like, okay, let's just get on with this, you know, let's just get on with this and help me to have this voice again, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it of course became the larger stacking doll, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: my voice is the medium that all of these energies on the light is using to help me refract, to help me to embody, to help me to lengthen, to help me stretch and horizontally and vertically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is something I do a lot with my students and something
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[SPEAKER_00]: is about stretching energy using sound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, stretching energy, I don't know if I've ever actually said that before, but it feels about like, it's like this, here's my slinky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I call slinky science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my slinky science, by the way, I should totally go to the creative, so stretches energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I was experiencing, and then this way as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can see in all of these runs that there's become space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was feeling the space is coming back into my body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In like, it was like I was in my own lab.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what we do when we're healing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We might have a therapist for an hour but then you're on your own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And especially if you have to get back out there
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I became quite, I became very aware of two things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The sense of stillness and consciousness, and I mean, I wouldn't have called it then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I wouldn't have called it that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The light and the sense of flow of energy moving and the ground and all of the elements
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[SPEAKER_00]: But really, there is just two things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The energy moving and the container holding that energy and how the voice help to spread and organize it.
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[UNKNOWN]: Ugh!
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk, let's go there next.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like to say that vibration is
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[SPEAKER_00]: Organizational in its essence and mathematical in its nature, it could be the other way around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it is organizational, vibration, I'm sure you know this, vibration is mathematical and organizational.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it takes this energy which is just really unconscious energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like pain, trauma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's unconscious energy that is looking to be organized to be purified, it's looking and I had a lot of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so using the high notes for me were the most beneficial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the high notes seemed to, they had a higher frequency, and they organized, and then I could move and do different notes, and I would feel the benefits of the organizing going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm following you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your body is a tuning fork.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your body is an instrument.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the voice comes through and it's self-healing capacity, because it's organizing the places where there's blocks using sound.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we can then we can cry something that's been trapped, because getting actually grieving and crying and letting go is not that easy if it's been really compartmentalized for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when I started to explore the use of making sounds and using my voice, I started with a couple of people, probably like yourself or, you know, finding people that were teaching this and this invitation to just hear our own voice because most of us don't do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're conditioned out of it and do you find that a lot of that sort of a first
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[SPEAKER_01]: be okay to hear their own voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a huge part of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like we're so afraid of ourselves and the voice is this, this medium that is audible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can't run away from it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking is one thing, but singing is a whole other animal that exposes us in the way
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[SPEAKER_00]: not a lot does like this because you can hear the nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can hear the sound of a person's fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can hear, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can hear that they're trapped or and so people know this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: how afraid I was of my own voice because I didn't want to be exposed to that degree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I understand this and so I can help people who have this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, people, there are, I mean, I've worked with a lot of professional singers in my life loads, but at this stage, there's a lot of mainly women that come who have gone through a lot and they haven't
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[SPEAKER_00]: a way to process and they think, oh, you know, what I'll take singing lessons and then they come to me and then they realize, oh, this is a lot more helpful than I thought, you know, I would say take singing lessons is cheaper than therapy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's what you don't know why it didn't, too, because maybe people aren't going to go and it's it's also what I love, it is playful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: less of the, you know, sit across for me and the, you know, Western model.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And um, it was used in cultures across civilization, sound and music, and movement, right, as a primary medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and now it's like singing is this weird thing that is just for karaoke and performance, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's very different, very different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, one of the things that's go back to the nervous system because so I found I use sound technology to work with the vagal nerve and the vagus nerve in the nervous system and I always find that people's voice changes as they come into more safety in the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I heard you speaking on a podcast about disability to assess people by simply listening to the voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not only you're assessing safety and threat, but you also can assess the masculine and the feminine dynamics within them through
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[SPEAKER_00]: the voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that you brought up the Vegas pair of years and years ago, I ran into Stephen Porges on this really, you know, hard to hear YouTube video and this was like when he was just coming out with the Vegas nerve information, the polyvigal theory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: that really caught my attention and it helped me to really get a piece about the face that I hadn't I'd been doing with my students and because I knew that the face if you did a certain thing it would help switch something on but I didn't know what that was until I studied
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[SPEAKER_00]: to I really learned about the vagus nerve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, this masculine and feminine, I think that that was one of the first sort of big pieces that came from me, the masculine and the feminine, and how the voice is a reflection of two energies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can just imagine every single opposite energy, every single comes through the voice in terms of dark and light, Yin and Yang, and in musician or voice teacher speak, it's the head voice and the chest voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the sound that refuf that is felt up here is the head voice and the sound that is felt in the chest, of course, it's just voice, it sounds obvious and it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But those two energies have to fit through this little tiny vocal cords and become one note from two different energies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: has a different intonation, has a different tone, a different way of playing than the masculine does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And women have become quite masculinized, if that's a word, and the sound of the voice becomes quite dropped, quite low.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what it does is it comes out of it compresses, first of all, it compresses a woman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: out of her length into this compression, which is going all the way down into the diaphragm and all the way down into the belly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a big old squasher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can hear that in the sound of the voice that doesn't have any right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to exaggerate the sense of musicality
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[SPEAKER_00]: this kind of thing oh my god oh wow you know no none of that is allowed if it's being been controlled and if the system is guarding trauma
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's guarding trauma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's guarding trauma, the voice has to do its part in keeping the lid on that trauma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By lowering it and becoming very strong and becoming very much in command and these are people that are running the world, you know, talking like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and it hurts my throat even doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it just makes me feel way too compressed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that answers the question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I start to think about how mechanical some people can be, especially, and I was in academia for a lot of years, Duke University, and you know, and the...
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[SPEAKER_01]: The safety comes from knowing a lot when you're in institutions, not, not, not creatively bringing forward what is moving through you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just think of all the ways society perpetuates and the systems that we move through perpetuate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then trauma, which we could also say is emotions, blocked emotions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so part of your work with people is using the voice to open a valve, so that emotions can start to move through them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, beautifully said that I love air valve, you know, taking the lid off and at first it can be quite volatile, you know, until things get settled down or the opposite, it's just a tiny trickle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But usually the stories will come out which is fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm, I'm, then we'll sort of go into a back and forth between talk therapy and, and then singing and just give them a voice sometimes, not not everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I do have just regular voice students that just want to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just happens, there's just an organic nature to this, but singing as we keep talking about this organizing nature, so a person will speak and talk and then I'll just sort of go, okay, well then let's organize again, which is maybe regulating in the somatic therapies and it maybe it's regulate, but I don't say that, it just say like, this is
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe singing a song, but sometimes the singing of songs is not ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not, they can't sing songs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's too, they're too split or it's too much to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just a few notes in a really beautiful connection to the vagus nerve, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, you know, we fire up again, you know, everything fires up and it's just like this is this has been my life of being fired up and being a performer and I'm just like can't I can't do it, you know, I just I want to I want to help people to not
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[SPEAKER_00]: unground and lift out of themselves in order to perform for society, which is actually lying to them about everything to do with what's healthy and natural.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What they need to do in order to belong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I certainly did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, I certainly have done a lot in
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[SPEAKER_00]: the reaching through the performing is a very big wound that's so many of the performers that I work with half, so I work with the performance anxiety a great deal with my performers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, there's always the trauma's underneath all of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How about the person who's performing, but does it know they're performing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the majority.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the majority.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, boy, that is like a, because this was, this was me too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can, I can recognize, I call it the storefront.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a storefront that comes over people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there isn't a connection to the audience in that way, is the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a real authentic connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'd like to think that I was connecting and being good at my job, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to think that, and I know that I, you know, obviously had some really good performances and situations that wasn't a black and white.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a black and white thing, but there are people that it's, they don't know connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're performing from a construct, a place in them that is injured.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, I could see it all the time, you know, when I go see
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like louder and louder is better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bigger is better, more pushing, bigger, you know, stronger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is everything we're talking about, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I'm starting to really think about you probably have a lot to say about what's happening in the world, in the music industry, right now, and what you see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It must be fascinating to think about things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say this one thing, and then we'll go back to, because I have some questions about the voice, but I do remember going to a concert with my child over 16 year old, and I was just watching the people respond to the person and trying to feel into that energy of what was happening between them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were all ages.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was 30-year-old men in my 16-year-old daughter and somehow this musician had found this way of touching all of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, it was, so I think that's part of that resonance that is not in everyone right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not, you know, in whenever my students are preparing for a concert, I will have them perform, I will have them sing their song, and I will know that they've disconnected and the thing that I always say to them is, because I could think,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You lost me, I lost you, because I could feel the people, the other students watching, I could feel them wanting to go to their phone or something, then you lost me, so because you had lost you, so don't try to get to me, try to get to you, and then you'll get me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, there was any advice for any performers, you know, if there's anything else, don't try to get to me, get to you, then yes, to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we can invite folks who are listening to draw that as a very general statement as well beyond the performers, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: right, especially those using social media or even if, you know, you're promoting your business or whatever you're doing of of staying connected to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is really hard, especially with social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is, it is like cocaine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very, it takes us out of our embodiment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so many things take us out of our embodiment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of the things I thought about, if you're listening to you on their podcasts, you've talked about the connection between these important parts of the body, the root and the throat, the third eye and the throat, the heart and the throat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe we can drop into that little
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening with those connections?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, I studied the shockers for a very long time and I got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They really all of this information really helped me a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was never really, I never really learned about what I call now the inner relationships between the shockers and their functionality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was something, it was a big piece of work for me to come together with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if we talk about how I break them down, so yes, the throat,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the root is like, there is, I am, I have a right to be here, the root, and I have a right to speak or sing the throat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have a right to be here and to use my voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I will say then that the sound of my voice grounds me into my I amness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the sound that grounds, then becomes the ground, that sounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can just see this beautiful feedback loop of ground and sound and like it's real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that was something because I was so, you know, needing all of these things, you know, I've really spent a lot of time working with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have the the third eye and now there are way more subtleties to that I can speak about coming but let me just give you this little system here first so so the third eye and the belly so the sacred chakra.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is like the light of our eyes, the light of consciousness, the clarity of the voice, the clarity of the voice coming into the emotional movement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the stillness of the eyes, the stillness holding stillness being able to hold what I call the flickering candle-mind steady.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that helps the emotional nature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: of our water body, like light on water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those two come together beautifully.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can imagine there's other things, like, of course, the creativity and the imagination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I like the idea of the light on water reflecting in the water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sure you've heard about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you add sound to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it really makes that come to life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know the glistening water and yeah it's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then the crown chakra, the crown and the third chakra.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these are the two wills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My will versus thy will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's just one more thing maybe I'll talk about with that that has come into my awareness maybe the few years ago, which is the relationship between the warrior archetype in the solar
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be purified, be allowed, be opened alongside the voice, is the solar plexus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is our breath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is our power and our breath coming together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those two, the throat and this are the most immediate relationship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes we have to do a lot of fancy footings all over the place in order for this one to get some softening and some settling down into the ground, all of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to complete that thought about the warrior in the solar plexus, the warrior is in a relationship and not really quite disconnected from the king of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a at-logger heads, this is what I'd see, mainly with the women, the dark, dark patriarchal kind of energies that have infiltrated and taken up so maybe you can let me know if this fits in with this last piece, all of that I can track and see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: happens in the programs and the ways that we're using sound as the emotions release the voice opens and and something shifts in and the voice changes the whole sound of the voice changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more resonant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: as the safety comes in the body in the first chakra, there's a slowness and cadence of the voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a right in the up and down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the last piece and this is just my personal story and you can tell me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So so I was listening to Dr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Port just way back 2018 and he was talking about did
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[SPEAKER_01]: COVID, but it started to open up that third chakra and then more recently I picked up a drum and just started letting myself make sounds and the power that's coming through the voice in that third as this piece
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[SPEAKER_01]: is opening and my connection instead of the connection to the patriarchy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's connection to something else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the songs and the feminine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, it's just been fascinating and there's a lot of power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, the power of the voice, hey, when it
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's a beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm guessing, you know, you're seeing that transformation, that kind of transformation happening in women, that have a knowingly inherited the patriarchy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even want to use that word, just the ingestion of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: the evolution of what's happened to us, this energy, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's repressive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just part of where we're at, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's part of where we're at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah, as you work with them, they're coming back into their power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the sense of the warrior becomes more like a light warrior, and then works for the person to help the voice,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's been used to stop the voice, to hold the voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like, my image is a beach ball underwater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is being held down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The beach ball is the diaphragm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, there's just been no way for so many to know how to take the lid off that to even know that it's happening first of all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then how do we safely take it off because they want to sing usually when they come to me people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they have the secret, you know, I want to say, but it's like this very, it's the secret, you know, I want to sing, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like a shameful thing and they kind of have to run into this, you don't did anybody see me kind of thing, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I'm exaggerating a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you catch by drift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for the secret of their power, for their secret of also alongside of it, the grief and the shame and the hurts and the wounds to be able to be allowed all of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like power's got to be purified.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just, uh, it'll arrive and then it brings into the system the next level of what's ready to be processed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get more water, more power and then we get more sediment and we got to go through that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the beauty is they don't, they don't know everything they're signing up for when they come in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That it's transformational.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The transformation
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what a beautiful way to do it, because it's, you know, I think sometimes, I mean, I, in my journey, it got to a point where I was just the talking wasn't enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love that we're talking about, well, what else, what is the net?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's it's the future of healing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how do we go back to this medicines?
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[SPEAKER_01]: that we, you know, are just innately part of, they're there for a reason, they're there for a reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I will say that what, I mean, I think we're talking about something that we're talking about singing and how it is this medium for healing
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is also not also, but what I do with the voice is to help, to heal the warrior, and so that all of this, so that the voice itself can begin to move and have expression,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's healing the split between the light and the dark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's healing the split between the masculine and the feminine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to come back to that again, the masculine, the feminine, the light and the dark, there is a split.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, these things are not black and they're not black and white.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But healing the split,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that is seemingly normal, which is, I have a chess voice, and I have a head voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we have one voice that has been separated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are one self that has been separated, and the voice is the correct measurement of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's such a beautiful reflection of our essence and how it is injured or not or flowing or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what is great about it is that it is immediate feedback, immediate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You, like I'll know, it's like, yeah, know that work, know that didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they can do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can do this at any, anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We, it's just making the time to work with your instrument.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And having the right exercises because there's a lot out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, singing like just sing, just like open up and do whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure, for sure, do that until that boards you and your curious about more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then go find somebody like me, that can help you open the heart, which is what happens when the balancing of both of these energies occurs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is that third way, but just the one that ends up showing up in the voice, it's a big thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm teaching a retreat weekend on the 17th of July, so it's called Open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm, you know, I've got this little chat going on with all the participants and I'm telling them, you know, at least little things and I'm like, oh, you know, healing the split and the voice and they're like, oh, yeah, we're just going to do that and I'm like, okay, we're going to give it a shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do what we can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because it's, it's like, whoa, you know, are you ready for the fallout, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah so people will only do like it's always the case now people will only go where they need to go and if people need to have an awakening they will certainly i'm just holding space for it's certainly not my business if you know what i mean yeah i i think that everyone comes in and takes what they're ready for in the
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love to hear that you're doing this in a group setting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what can you share a little bit more of what happens?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's about singing in groups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I run groups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't sing together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what, yeah, what happens when we bring people together to sing together?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have these small groups between four and six people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're always women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we get to do these beautiful little dainty, not dainty, but subtle exercises to help stretch and get up into the temples and up into the ears in order for the energy body to decompress.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll all just teach someone exercise and we'll all do the exercise and maybe I'll zero in on one person just so we can make sure because the exercise is very, very detailed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're magical because they, again, there's this immediacy where you can feel, there's a safety that happens in the body and the energies, they spring up and you can just
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, well, like we will sing songs together, usually songs that I have written, but it's also healing so much of this vagus nerve that is like this hiding, this sort of sense of one of the big, big pieces and the work that I do is about getting the face back into the mix, because the face is quite disconnected in most women in this strange way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you say more about that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is really some of the work that Stephen Porch has helped me to sort out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for a number of years, I would talk about with my students, I'd say, okay, we're going to use the curtains right here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, but we need to have crinkles when we do the curtains in order for the sound to get up into the the resounding container up in here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: out the face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is our expressive face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the pathway of the vagus nerve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The vagus nerve wraps around here at the front.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when we do a little bit of the curtains, what I call the curtains and crinkles, you know, when we do the curtains and the crinkles, what it does is it helps all the people in the group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It sets off the heart, the heart opens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the energies are able to come from a sense of impersonalness, length, verticality, into personal energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The personal energy sets off the vagus nerve in the face, like the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's a sense of flow that begins because it creates a safety between the women, between us all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God, that safety piece you can imagine
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is all leading to them to be on stage where they can feel safe with themselves first, not needing the audience to, you know, it's a big thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love it, I'd love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's exercises for the vagus nerve using.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you be the working with the structures of the actual face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, to get it out of the throat, to get this beautiful, out of the throat, compressive, to get it out of the head, can come on board because that's where we, that's our biggest sounding board is our brain, is our head, not our brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the resonance really wants to play, which is why I went to work and figured out all this around the king and the sage and all this, because it's like, well then, what's blocked and why is the wisdom, you know, the clarity not there and that person?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is that person not making any sense to me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand the meaning has gone from the sound of the voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Rich, I have to listen to this episode myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get into what we're saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like layering neuroscience on top of the movement structure and spirituality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds just fabulous, it sounds fabulous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope what I would like to end with if it's possible, if there are like one practical tip or tool, since that you can give people listening maybe that they could run with and then if they want to find out more about you, they can go to your website, but what can we give them today?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What we can give them today is that the sound of their singing voice, the sound of your voice, has a container, the body, that it needs in order for it to have resonance and clarity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, if we just humm, I want them to feel their lips resonating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want them to feel their cheekbones activate because there's a lot of chi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can actually feel the bones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want them to feel their collarbone, the collarbones are vibrating and especially the back of the head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to help, to lift the energies up out of a compression, the oxybiloidal ridge, the back of the head is huge for that, and then the third eye,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But keep this, get this stimulated, get this stimulated, and your eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So find all these little points that help to wake up, the sleeping, sloppy unconscious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: connection between people that is really built of the pleaser and not from a natural authenticity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I was getting toned by you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I can feel that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, beautiful, beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how can people find you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you mentioned you have something coming up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I'm assuming they can reach out for individual sessions with the best way to reach you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they can go to my website, animalmott.com and you'll see a forum that says, and you'll see all over it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you'll just see my phone number there and my email right at the top.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and a dot boom on to Gmail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can do definitely one on one sessions with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also something that I do call 30 minute connections, which is really fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just 30 minutes on two days from 12 to 12, 30 mountain standard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it gives people a real taste of these bite-size pieces of connection that can happen in 30 minutes to really help the whole person feel grounded, connected, open, using their voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And still, stillness as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go to my website,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just begin this journey of allowing your energies to have their voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And can we add, I don't also want to forget that your music is on Spotify or beautiful music?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it everywhere?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So please, yeah, plug that in and listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is quite a few albums and some beautiful, roomy, roomy poems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the roomy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The roomy album is...
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[SPEAKER_00]: My heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for what you're doing in the world and I'm spending time with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for spending pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a federal pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for being a part of the transformative harmonics community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The wisdom school brings together modern science, ancient wisdom, and embodied practices to support personal transformation and spiritual growth through the body, nervous system, and the relational pathways that influence how we connect to ourselves, each other, and the world around us.
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