Sound, Consciousness And The New Earth | Tom Kenyon

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, I'm your host Paula Skatalone, the founder of Transformative Permanix, a podcast that offers listeners a synthesis of ancient wisdom and modern science.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello listeners, welcome back to another episode of Transformative Permanix, I'm your host Paula Skatalone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My guest today is someone who I came upon back in the early part of my own transpersonal journey, the latest version of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you know me, I'm standing at the intersection of neurophysiology and sound and spirituality and I was looking for places to turn to understand my own internal experience and also the role of sound.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and I came across the work of Tom Kenyan at that time and began to learn about him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I watched the documentary called The Song of the New Earth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I read many of his books, and I began to explore his use of sound and its interaction on brain itself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this conversation for me is important because
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right now, we have so many different places and ways in which you might walk into your spiritual expansion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I do feel that this process is going to talk about it on the show needs to be grounded and embodied.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also allow you to traverse your psychological material so that the process of expansion is a mature,
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[SPEAKER_02]: spiritual growth that's grounded in the body and in your understanding of your emotional world and not just seeking the high that might come from these expanded states.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so Tom for me speaks a lot of the same language that I use with my students in why the intersection of these things are so important as you're growing yourself and expanding into the next version of who you are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I'd like to introduce Tom if you do not know his work, he is one of the most respected sound healers in the world today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tom Canyon is a sound practitioner, a musician, an author and a psychotherapist, whose work explores the intersection of sound, consciousness, and human neurophysiology.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He holds a master degree in psychological counseling, and spent over a decade in private clinical practice, before shifting his focus towards psychokusics, and the effect of sound on the nervous system and perception.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In 1983, Tom founded the Acoustic
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[SPEAKER_02]: brain research, an organization dedicated to studying how sound, music, and language influence brain states, creativity, and psychological transformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His early work combined clinical psychology with emerging research and neurolinguistic programming,
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[SPEAKER_02]: hypnosis and auditory entrainment, which later became the foundation for his sound-based meditation work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tom's life studies and many lifetimes of remembrances complete with background knowledge and experience allow him to move with equal facility between Tibetan Buddhism, Egyptian
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[SPEAKER_02]: Over time, Kenyan developed a large body of recordings, teachings, and live workshops, centered on the use of sound, toning, and psych acoustic sound, as tools for shifting awareness and facilitating inner experience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thomas the author of several books, including Brain States, Mind Thieves, the Hawthorne material, and the Magdalene manuscripts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He currently resides
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tom Kenyan.com I hope you take your time today to listen to the message underneath our conversation and also explore Tom's website after the show if you'd like to learn more about him and the work he's doing in the world today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, and welcome back to transformative harmonics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host Paula Scatuloni.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Today, this conversation is very important to me, I think, and listener.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to ask everyone if you are going about moving quickly around to take a moment and pause and get settled.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or grab yourself something cool this in the summer, it's only cool the drink.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you can relax a little into this conversation as you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is all about resonance and frequency and so everything we say is wanting a place to land and it can't land if we're moving quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I'll just invite you to take that time before we start and let anything that's ready to land find a home and if not you're always welcome to come back to this podcast episode again at another time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So today, I am here with Tom Kenyan, who I appreciate with taking a while to set up this conversation, and I appreciate that we have this time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'd like to start Tom, because I feel where to critical point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in humanity and in this time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is why I brought you on specifically because I feel as a psychotherapist, a brain researcher and acoustic person who understands acoustics, but also has a very in-depth perspective on what is happening from an evolutionary perspective from a planet that you have a
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[SPEAKER_02]: on where we're at, where we're going, the role of sound, some of these bigger questions that I tried to tackle in small ways in my community.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I appreciate this wealth of knowledge and I'm hoping we can just go back and forth and ponder some of these questions that feel so important to me right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as an educational platform, trying to get the most accurate
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, thank you, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And to start, maybe we can start with a synopsis, a short synopsis of who you are in your background, in case my listeners do not know, although I talked about you in the class so they should know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But let's brief them a little bit on who you are and then we'll jump into the bigger questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to back up a little bit of the thing that you had your listeners do to calm down to settle in to receive the information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was very cogent because from my perspective it has to do with the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the sympathetic nervous system is how we engage to do things to make things happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it also creates stress hormones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's how we organize this energy to make things occur.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The pair of sympathetic is the part of the nervous system that relaxes and heals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's only when we're in deep states of sleep that the body heals itself, which is why sleep is so important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interestingly enough, spiritual experiences usually emerge in the pair of sympathetic nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: not the part of us that makes things happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for those who are multitasking and making multiple things happen, as long as we can manage it, it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes the overmanagement eclipses the parasympathetic response.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this conversation, hopefully, will open up the parasympathetic response in everyone, because that's what we're going to visualize as far as spiritual transformation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as far as who I am, I am essentially a five-year old boy in a body that's 77-year-old man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the thingy as I can put it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had educated in blah blah blah, but that's a core, because when I was five, I set in a swing that my dad made from me from a giant oak tree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my favorite time of night or between day and night was sunset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was swing for hours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My mom said she'd have to drag me in for dinner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was singing to the sun and the moon and the stars and plants and animals and I knew they were singing back me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could hear them at five years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, of course, grew up and got educated and decided that was all, you know, delusional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I entered the shamanic world and the world of spiritual transformation, guess what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The plan started talking to me again, singing to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I say, I am a five-year-old boy and a body of a 70-year-old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you keep that that childlike perspective in your way of moving through the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take the most fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's in between in terms of your story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: where you are right now based on that story is standing at this intersection of the understanding of spirituality and the brain and science, and also the evolutionary path that we're on as a consciousness as an organism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so maybe we can start to talk a little about
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[SPEAKER_02]: you're perspectives on where we're at right now, and as you traverse trauma healing and sound and brain, how do you describe and help people understand what's happening?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because we are in a resurgence, we are in a massively transformational,
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[SPEAKER_02]: error.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fortunately, I'm in a good space today, so I can be positive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do have moments where I look at the whole thing as like, this is such a show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no hope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I escalate, go to the escalator to the higher stage of my mind, potential, I arrive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it is chaos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you go into a transformational process that's shifting on one way of being, another way of being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: move into each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One lets go and one emerges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, unfortunately, in the human experience,
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[SPEAKER_00]: chaos is a big part of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're in a very chaotic confusing period.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have so much misdirection from authority figures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have so much lies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So many lies that are just pervasive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, for me, I'm really speaking from my own perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the choices to get into, do I just go into distress about the horrible nature of the chaos and the suffering?
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[SPEAKER_00]: or do I go to a different aspect of my consciousness that has hope, that's authentic and real, not make the lead everything's going to be wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's it's the tight road walking across that traverse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: say, okay, we're going to stay in the game and we're going to play this out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is when I first came across you, it was through the documentary of the song of the New Earth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the first time I have heard that phrase, the New Earth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it began to take me on a story, your story personally,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so maybe we can talk about that and that may also support the listeners and understanding where we're heading.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was brought my son off for martial arts practice on the island where I live and there's a a big comment going to point, which is the native sacred ground with the Lumi tribe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I decided to go there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It happened to be my birthday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the hackers told me several days before the birthday, we're going to have something to actually plan for you on your birthday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so for the first time, I was at a point with them, or I was like, disnew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, very, I'm not sure, I mean, one of them, to what they said was right on, but so much of what they said was a violation against my own contracted perception of the world, because there's some more expansion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't, I started meditating when I was 18 and didn't miss the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking about I was 35.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't meditate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't connect with pastors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did everything to avoid them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you want to do something special?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, watch this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just locked down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sitting on the ground at Madrona Point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden the ground opens up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was a physical sensory experience, which is just why I was hit with the altar because my brain had to have been, they shifted my brain physiology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was deeply parallel sympathetic state and the ground opened up and I saw my my body grabbed because I was my experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was not my body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in my body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My body grabbed the grass with the hands to try to keep me from falling into a hole and as I fell into the hole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Edward Lee, Indian natives, saying, we would like to know if you was thinking the song would be worth when you'd come back, come back from where, go down deeper, then there were aborigines spinning these spyristics and plane digitally to do is it was a company of imagery and sensory information and finally I dropped down into what I experienced as the center of the earth that this, this is my personal experience, I'm not saying this is how it
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a sphere of light, and it spoke, and it said, I am the earth's dreamer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I dreamed this world into existence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting ready to change my dream.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will you sing the song of the new earth?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had learned through having interacted with some extraordinary, illuminated people to jump on the ship just because it's leading the dock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It said, I'll think about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I pulled back up in the average and he said, will you sing with something else?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Think about it and we come up in the natives are doing their thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, I'll think about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I came back up into my body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And shockingly, a young couple had come into the park and said, maybe just a few feet, maybe six feet from me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're obviously in an amorous,
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[SPEAKER_00]: mood because they're very few people in Moderna point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's taken off his shirt and she's I'm threatening her blouse and they're getting ready to do their thing and I'm going oh my god they're going to turn around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do I say to him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I was here first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I now thought this was so fascinating and an important point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The woman, the young woman,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was feminine intelligence, the wisdom of the feminine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The dude was just on it, he was off his shirt, which oh, God, he's ready to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The wisdom of the feminists, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll still do that, but let's go somewhere else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can just say, critical point in our culture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our culture is overly patriotic, overly stimulated into the sympathetic response, make things happen as quick as possible, and we're paying a price, a carable price.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But all of this comes back, we might have an experience I had with the whole tour of the Hopi tablets, grandfather Martin, and my wife Judy helped them in federal court trying to get resolves the native issues, so she had a relationship with him and his family, so we drove to his Mesa and
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got there and we asked where he was in his grandson that he's in the back and so we went into the other Eva and he's all dressed up and Judy said to me later she'd never seen him dressed up so well and he said he would tell me that very important person was coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here it was going about my wife, not me by the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just be quick on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very important point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, that's who you're here, the little messenger boy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and he said, they got you finally arrived because I have to go out and pick corn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have time for this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we started to talk and then he relaxed and it was an amazing thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at one point,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the hope you talk about the fifth world, that's why I'm referencing this, because the fifth world is a different, energetic experience of this planet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the hope you believe that that we're headed to, the hatters also believe that's what we're headed to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're an terribly difficult birthing process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at one point, this was before the Twin Towers were attacked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, I had a dream that something is going to attack the Twin Towers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the long time before the actual towers were hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, if it comes from the East, it'll be okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it comes from the West, not good, or it may have it reversed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, and I noticed there was a taco on the wall from Tibet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, what is that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, well, to Baton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, he came to visit me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he handed that to me as a gift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's interesting about Tibet and hopey land is that they are reversed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the words are the exact opposite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The architect is very, very similar, especially in the personal living spaces.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, in Tibet, there are places where you can stand and you can be transported through the center of the earth to hopey land.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but we go on it my life and I went on it took a group to bed we've been to bed for time and we were in a cave that was opposite Lafson with the main temple area and it was little stone marker in the floor and I stood there and I was in a Ovalan just like the earth experience that took me down to the center of the earth so there are several ways of
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[SPEAKER_00]: is that matter is an illusion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a very important illusion, but it is an illusion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's similar to a propeller on a plane that has, you know, three little spokes and it's, when you see it when it's not turned on, it's clearly distinct propellers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When it starts to spin, it becomes a disk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: did that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you'll end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do a conduit to Earth with somehow relates to my experience out on the grown-up point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So as you're putting that all together, as you came out of that experience, what prompted you to say yes to the request.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They felt motivated to do something to help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was compassion, I guess, he'd be my.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And compassion for the earth itself, not just the sentient beings, he live on the earth again, we're repressing the feminine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So answering the call.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which many are hearing now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, fortunately, yay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yay, yay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's an arduous task, though, as you answer that call, to have discernment along the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, that is so, can pull it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and so what are you seeing within that topic?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been doing psychotherapy for over 40 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been trained in multiple modalities in college and I did postgraduate work in Erxony, Metal for the Poses and I've worked with people for 40 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fine fine are coming to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a more poised to share her radically and faster than the entire pool decades that I've been doing before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So something is happening at the personal individual level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we sometimes forget that the collective and vast it is is made of individual choices that each of us are making, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So so it's almost like we have computer programming that's ready to shift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't stop to wear the socks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're there to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just had to talk about me hit the right codes in then bang.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The software has changed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to upgrade it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be upgraded through the heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, and yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the portal, you know, an ancient Egyptian alchemy, they're the symbols of the omit, which is a crocodile, a hippopotamus, and a lion, the great devourer, and he is shown next to Mott.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Mont is the goddess that has the scales and weighs people at the moment of death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if their hearts are light as of feather, the admissement to paradise, if they are contracted, they go down to the lower worlds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And omit would have his snout tucked between something called the jid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the jid pillar is the movement of life force up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he would have his snout tucked between the heart center and the power center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they did not have the heart open, he would devour them at the moment of death, because they were becoming solely from the desire for security, sex and power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was only when the heart opened and they could see the higher potentials of their being that the omit would let them pass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's a symbol of the importance of the heart in that tradition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another tradition is to think about the same thing, but in different language, metaphorics, though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we can also maybe touch into the importance with that particular,
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[SPEAKER_02]: civilization and that path or there was the opening of both the heart and the power center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the connection between the two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What are the dangers of people opening just the heart and not below?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your roses, psychosis, big problems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do see that there is a
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is too ultimately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you get down to the fine points of being in matter, there are other forces that clove.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if a person does not attend to taking care of their security, managing their sexual energy wisely, making choices through their power, there's not a base to support the heart opening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost a developmental thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or spiritual maturity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So as we see more and more people, although it's a spiritual renaissance right now, which is great, there can be some danger in that, in maybe the explanation of plant medicine or other mediums that may take people into higher states.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with out the grounded embodied understanding of what's in the dark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my first Taoist teacher, Mr. Wu said, Tom, before you step into heaven, step on earth first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what he meant was, make sure there's a solid platform to support these extraordinary experiences, otherwise it leads into delusion and all types of problems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to be grounded.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is one of the reasons I love sound and psychocoustics because I think it can be tremendously grounding and support all dimensions, but we can make sure that bottom dimension is really taking care of as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As you've watched that field unfolds, like acoustics, it would, again, I'm talking thinking about trends or things that you're seeing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I first started using that word psycho acoustics, people around me didn't know what I was talking about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had to keep, you know, referencing and turning them, and now it feels like sound is certainly more mainstream.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And psychocoustics is becoming more of a, they're starting to do more studies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even more, you were in the early, you were in the emergence of a field that was 40 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, what's your observation of the field of psychocoustics right now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: working with psychokusdics in the dictionary with psychosc.
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[SPEAKER_00]: ESYCO acoustics because simply, they would have been looking at the menthol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But later, I noticed that the spelling was also within H, which would make it the emotional intellectual impact was bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I first started,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This word, I had, I had come across this work of a samples of a soft graph, and I had connected to something called a music that supports image streaming, which is an alpha technique for generating alpha activity in the blank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I noticed that it would, and they were using that particular researcher was using the rope music for the larkle movements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and, and I was very fascinated with this was measured.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the first studies that were done to show that, and I'm not, it's not saying I was promising of the researchers they might continue at some point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they discovered that the brain did produce alpha activity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: through listening to a rock music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I started to play a rock music from my clients, as I was doing medical diagnosis, and it really facilitated more happen per minute in terms of the inefficient, change agents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And being a musician, I decided to, I wasn't gonna compose some music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's that of innocence to see if I could create the same thing and it did for my plans and they preferred my music over the Baroque music, but that's because I think they were familiar with me, but it turned into a whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I started to produce these, is that tapes we're talking way, way back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And with the turning point from me came when I got a letter from Dr. Wilson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it's a physiologist researcher at the university, and he said he was in a class teaching about music and brain function and made the statement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Music can increase affectivity, but it can't produce theta activity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to do students that serve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have this degree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have in my hands like I said tape that does just that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, well, bring it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I loved about Dr. Wilson did to say, no, this is not possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He engaged the scientific method.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He brought up another student, hooked him up, and the machine showed increased his theta activity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, this is what this can't happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He thought there was something wrong with the machine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He tried to recalibrate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe the story was that he brought in a tech person to look at and clear the equipment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next class, he picked another student, did the same thing, moved theta activity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What blew his mind and what I find so interesting is the interface between the science and spirituality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The biggest impact of the found field was that the crown chakra, and it just happens that when you do an EEG study, that's one of the points, it just seems to be arbitrary, but it's actually aligned with the crown chakra, and it led up like the Christmas tree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have been reading the works of Patangeli, the A.K.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yogi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and knew about the heart about the crown chakra, and it blew his mind that so much of the state activity was bare at the crown, and he thought that was a very important point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because that data allows you to do hands-on healing and explore all their state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Consciousness, it's a door that can open, come into this, and sound, clearly, can produce data activity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first researcher, who study out of a data activity as a response to Chamanic drumming was a woman by being of Maxwell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is, so it blew his mind that this was rea, and yeah, it was very full.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The beginning of understanding sound as a healing therapy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when most people think about sound, they do think of drums or bowls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't think of acoustics themselves and the manipulation of frequency and how frequency can be developed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the art form comes in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that seems to also be growing right now where I'm seeing and meeting musicians who ask me to listen to something they've created to feel what happens in my body with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I can feel energetically, and sentience in their production.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, in your, this is going to jump or move us into talking about the hot doors, because that is also this, this ability to tune into higher states of consciousness and higher intelligence to also take that field of understanding psychocoustics and expand it even more into ways that are helpful in healing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so maybe we can talk a little about that story of how that came because there's also some research you did when that started happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You come out when the authors came to me when they came and then they said, well, you know, do this with your clients and so then you did and you started to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Test out, right, the information that was happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: very resistant because I thought this is just absolutely the decision.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the big moment came when I did a private meditation retreat using Siddash Yogi, Yoga, and
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[SPEAKER_00]: two beans are in the room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It couldn't seem to visit me back who filled a presence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one spoke in one, never spoke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a student feature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was sent to a project to work with a primitive human and the observed would check to see if he followed the protocol correctly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And first thing that one says to me that speaks is we are the others and become with the sounding of a new reality or and then they started to teach me the geometry of conscious and they gave me specific geometries to work with and they said this will change how your brain organizes in for making.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said okay whatever and I tried it and my God it did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was changing my perception.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So being the analytical
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[SPEAKER_00]: contracted person, I decided to prove them wrong, and I decided to create three different beta test sites in Washington State, three different cities, and I went to these cities and caught the geometry for several weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and people were changing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was unbelievable as a therapist watching this unfold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does this look?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my undermilk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Question here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a professor who was a professor of art and he had, I was supposed to do an art show and he was in a crisis mode because he hadn't created art in years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had no inspiration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if he didn't do the show, his job would be in jeopardy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did these geometries and
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[SPEAKER_00]: people were hardly depressed came out of depression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that is a cure for depression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying that's what happened for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the ones that really stood out for me was a woman because of trauma had no awareness of her back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The back side of her body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No neurological connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think it was the last class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's going around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Feel my back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Test my back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can feel for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that struck me as extraordinarily important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I decided to let's go into this and see what opens up in here, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it makes me think that so much of, we want to understand, like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: how does sacred geometry work, how does non-localized healing work, how do we take these higher technologies that come through us, whether it's, when you, it was given to you as a prescription as a very specific, you know, for me it comes through just play us of
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[SPEAKER_02]: the healing field itself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's intelligence in it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that this is different than what, you know, we think we know it all as humans.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We think we...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we're both Ubers, the humans, we're both Ubers, Ubers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's very humbling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel, right, to become co-creators with the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an honor, a privilege, and it's fun, joyful, to connect with a field that is moving upward and expanding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very, very interesting, wonderful experience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the scientific part of that story as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It gives people that option of, well, test and out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If we feel a little reservation about what's coming through our channels that we can test it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But also have discernment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a question I have for you, too, is more and more people open the psychic pathways or pathways of higher intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What type of discernment do we need to have?
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[SPEAKER_02]: to converse, right, that next level of being more telepathic or being more sensitive energetically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like a simple question, but it is so complex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'd like to break it down to the best I can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, as human mammal, we are mammal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: we share things with the animal kingdom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a new cortex, so we think differently than animal, but it's not necessarily better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's very important because in our hubris, we think we are the ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is so complex, I'm gonna say like, okay Tom, get on the horse, all it rains, let's get on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm overwhelmed by the complexity of it, that let me, there are a few simple points in this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one is our psychological flaws,
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of us are damaged to some degree, some incredibly damaged, but all of us have been confined by experiences and family systems and cultures and civilization that come in gone so we have a lot of burden with ourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in if you are going to explore sound healing in the vibratory nature of things and instruments for convey information and energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're doing it from all art, I'm great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am doing something so wonderful well then you missed the point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's always the temptation, because the ego's not a bad thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ego is simply a reference point for identity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not the solution to life problems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll not come from our ego's when to come from other aspects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm joined with our ego's our ego in function at a higher level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The discrimination, I think it's wonderful that people are exploring the use of style.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said wonderful insights and terrible consequences, the people of the history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we have to have discrimination so that be absolutely intellectually honest with yourself on cognitive levels doing the sound or inaccompanion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't take something that somebody has told you is the way it is, because that's just
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[SPEAKER_00]: You might explore that, but don't necessarily buy it until it proves itself to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the fundamental question underneath all that is why you're doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you engaging a potentially healing modality?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That question is the fundamental compass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's what we perceive, what we believe to be true becomes our perception.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when we do sound reactivating one of the most primal forces of the cosmos, you know, and out of ancient India, Brahma is the god that added the sound, oh, and his consort Sarasavati is the goddess of language and intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He uttered the sound, oh, man, the whole thing is vibrating the fundamental, oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love a metaphor that comes out of Hinduism, which is where Vishnu is laying back on a lotus, of course, a lotus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And out of his power center is a little broma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Vishnu is that which sustains things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bram is that which creates new things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what it is saying, even while the old is there, a new vision is coming forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Brahma, a new world is being created.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where we are, the standard of the world that, through the metaphor of this newer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something is happening, and these new introduce are coming up and it's the new Brahma and new cycle of creation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what we're moving into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as a sound healer, or one simply exploring sound healing,
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[SPEAKER_00]: just realize that you're doing with something that is profoundly powerful and hopefully do it with the right intent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like, and you can say if you agree or not, I like to propose that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: are inner guidance if we've used down for in other lifetimes or been a healer before will actually guide us through and that is actually your best teacher rather than yeah so that's more of how
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[SPEAKER_02]: I approach it and so you will know if you are a teacher or a user of a particular method because the memory is restored as you heal your trauma and the clarity of
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[SPEAKER_02]: relationship with the instrument or the music is organically comes through.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not about learning this way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's about learning through your body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I hope that message is getting out there in different ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many, again, it's beautiful to see such a variety of ways
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[SPEAKER_02]: But just having discernment of the places that you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And discernment is something that develops over time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you see what works and what doesn't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're authentic with yourself and true to be watching merging, you will see that these things just flower by themselves and you discern which of those blossoms you want to work with and explore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that for some of those that only to a particular instrument or a working probably comes out of a previous lifetime.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's what it feels like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the last piece is a piece also that we're exploring my program, which is the emergence of other gifts as well, such as using the voice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe in the way that you sound or songs are coming through us, songs that we don't know the songs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, where did that song come from?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's in another language.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's in our
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the ways in which we can allow that to organically come through without feeling like we have to explain it, and if we do explain it, how does one explain it to people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, when a baby in your living room or your house and you have a young child and infant, usually the mother is the one who picks it up, but the father sometimes picks it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do it, that's the best way to do
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's as if we are tuning for it's resonating who we are resonating the consciousness through the voice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's going to be interesting because it seems like more and more of that is also evolving around us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we'll see where things are at in another few months or year, it's something I'm watching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, things are moving very fast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Things could be very different in just a few months,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So as we wrap up Tom and we again that my hope for this was to bring someone in who has is holding the whole picture and seeing how are we navigating this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are there any other important pieces that you feel?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The listeners may need to consider as they continue to embark and say yes to the call.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I would go back to the metaphor out of Hinduism, which is we are both this new
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, part of the art of working with all of this is to know when something needs to be dealt with fortunately through the close of either metaphorically or through the tissue, aspect which is to let things be for Brahma, the creation of your realities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fear of choosing to step into sound as a catalyst, the transformation, you are in that interface between Brahma,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's know, out of this week's body, the new reality is important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you are the tuning port to your language here that's setting the vibration goes out and it affects the people they're listening and those who are ready to shift in that direction will make that shift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those who are not will not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no judgment about any of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the phenomena of existence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So staying in your own body, working on your own resonance, being in integrity with what you bring.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And honoring the power of the tool itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure those work for you to add a look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That supports the rapid unfoldment of your potential, as the sound healer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I've appreciated just getting a teeny bit of time with you today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I could ask a ton more questions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm going to close and to send the listeners to your website, your,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And wealth of CDs, options for exploring sound with the hot doors and with you, and is there anything else?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of it is free.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of it is free now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that an installation?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can be benefit and it should be made available to people without them having to pay for everything?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I will make sure that your website is there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will make sure the song of the new earth is still easily available through Gaia TV and through some other platforms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they can access that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you doing anything live anymore?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just decided to do website events because the world is in such chaos right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the price of traveling and lodging is going to make it out of sight from many people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really feel
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[SPEAKER_00]: that those who don't have the financial platform to support that type and indulgent, so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to address that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm making the material on the website accessible to everybody so that they don't have to travel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I plan on creating something next year publicly, but we'll see how things unfold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll keep my eyes out, be sure to get on his mailing list.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the books, I haven't talked about the books, but please check out Tom's books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you haven't been introduced to the Hothors, you are missing a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I am a little direct people that way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thank you, Tom, for the time you spent today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: With our community.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for being a part of the transformative harmonics podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can visit Transformant of Harmonics at poliscatulony.com.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To find out more about my work, forthcoming classes, and the transformative harmonics academy, you can also reach out and connect with me on Instagram.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My handle is at Paula Scateloni.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I write regularly on Substack at Signature Frequency Living.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Until next time, take good care and thank you for being part of the journey.