Decoding UFOs: ATOMIC INTENTIONS? (Ft. Larry Hancock) Total Disclosure Podcast

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We'll be right back. All right, everybody, welcome back to
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With that being said, we have a great show tonight,
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and I am really excited about it. So, you know,
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I want to jump right into it. So, you know,
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for decades, I would say that the public conversation surrounding
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unidentified flying objects has been bogged down by, you know,
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endless debates over the mere existence, single incident speculation, anecdotal noise.
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But what happens when you do strip away the speculation
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and apply rigorous strategic intelligence, you know, analytics to decades
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of a vetted data set. My guest tonight is researcher, author,
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and military veteran Larry Hancock. With a background spanning history, anthropology,
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and electronic communications in the U.S. Air Force, alongside over
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30 books and publications on national security, Cold War history,
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Larry serves as a board member for the Scientific Coalition
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for UFO and UAP Studies, SCU, and leads their intention
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studies team. And in this monumental new work, UFO Intentions,
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Decoding the Patterns, Larry and his co-authors undertake a multi-year
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strategic intelligence study that veteran national security analyst Christopher Mellon
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notes surpasses the depth of analysis done by the government itself. So,
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Let's get into it. I want to welcome tonight's guest, Mr.
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Larry Hancock.
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Great to be here.
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Thank you. Thank you, Larry. Super, super excited to have
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a conversation with you. You're one of those guys that,
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you know, I think you're much more of an analytical mind.
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And it's really nice. Obviously, everyone loves a story, right?
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Everyone loves a story. But the UFO community and the landscape,
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the technology, the science behind it, that can't just be storytelling.
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There needs to be rigorous scientific, you know, rigorous scientific endeavors,
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you know, attached to it. So I really enjoy what
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you bring to the table.
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Yes, as you say, I first became involved in this
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in 1964.
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Wow.
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Decades ago, the bookcase behind me has dozens and dozens
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of books, which essentially are storybooks, like you're saying. They're
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very entertaining, individual story, one case after another case, one
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more sensational than another. And when you get through the
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end of all of them, it's a lot of cases.
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And the team that I'm on, the intention study team
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and I are referred to it as like the forest
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and tree problem. You keep looking at the trees. What
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about the forest? What about the overall behavior? I won't
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even call it the phenomena. Our assessment is just in 1947,
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the Air Force assessed the UFOs as real objects, real
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enough so that they could write a profile up to
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distribute to the field officers. Here's what you look for.
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Here are the characteristics. And it was more a matter
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of they were worried about where they were from and
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their intentions. It wasn't a question of reality. Yet decades later,
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we're back to there being phenomena. It's like, wait a minute,
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they were real in 47, now they're phenomena? Have we
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stepped backwards?
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Right, right, right. And a lot of people, I would say,
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right now especially, are kind of fed up with unsubstantiated
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stories whether it's coming from, you know, a high level
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government official like David Grush on a huge platform like
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Joe Rogan or even Jay Stratton, you know, who who
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led one of the UFO programs in the government science.
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I mean, stories without proof. They can only take the
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ball so far. Right. And I think people have had
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their fill of storytelling and and really want the next
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phase of whatever disclosure means.
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In general, my impression is after a certain point in time,
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as you're saying, all those stories can actually make it
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more mysterious. They leave you literally with more and more FUD, fear, uncertainty, doubt.
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They didn't give you anything. One of the questions I'm
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pondering now, I'm working on an op-ed, is, well, wait
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a minute, DIA. Jay was with the DIA senior position.
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The role of the defense intelligence agency is to do
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indication studies. They do threat and warning studies. They have professionals,
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you know, that that's their job or where they never
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tasked with doing that. Did, did somebody deny the reality
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so long that they just ignore it and they never
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tasked and, and Jay just had to walk away, you know,
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cause you guys never considered it seriously, but you know,
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my team, we have, four guys. We have intelligence professionals,
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career professionals, and data analysis and intelligence, but we've been
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working on it for seven years, you know, and that's
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four of us for seven years. That's a long time
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and a lot of data. But, you know, the country,
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the nation has assets who are professionals whose job is
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to do this. You know, did nobody ever task them
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with a job? One of the questions that's occurring to
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me when I look at the statements that Grush and
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Stratton are giving is, you know, we should be asking
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these questions, not with a congressional oversight committee. These are
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questions that we need to hold the secretary of defense
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responsible for the director of national intelligence. You know, we're,
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we're totally working at the wrong level. If the situation
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is the way that they describe, we're really working at
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the wrong level and somebody, somebody dropped the ball. I mean,
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it didn't, you know, it didn't get elevated. We, we
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know it got dropped back in 1952, but come on now,
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given the tech tax and what we have in 2014
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and onward, did nobody ever pick up the ball again?
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Come on guys.
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Yeah. Right. Right. And I find that even more hard
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to believe, you know, considering, considering just what the phenomena
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might mean and, how much it might benefit, you know,
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nation states technologically and, you know, in our, you know,
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our mundane, which it sounds so, you know, it sounds
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so primitive, but in the race of humanity, It seems
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whoever does crack the code on this technology would essentially,
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you know, it's checkmate at that point, right? That this
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technology is so, at least that's what we're led to believe, right?
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That this technology is so far advanced that whoever, you know,
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it breaks or cracks the code will essentially, you know,
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run the planet. Forever, for foreseeable future. And I don't
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know whether that's a scary notion, because I don't know
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if any one entity in the current landscape, I don't
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think I trust anyone with this kind of technology.
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You see, I don't think it is so much scary
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as more or less depressing, because what we see in
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our study in the very beginning, when these UFOs showed
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up in the late 40s through the 50s. They were
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very visible. I mean, you had formations flying over major cities.
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We constantly tracked them with radar. We sent interceptors after them.
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They showed that they were kind of oblivious to the interceptors.
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They would engage with them. I've got dozens of pilots
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on record saying, this thing totally outmaneuvered me, established a
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firing solution, and then kind of went away. Like they're just...
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It's a type of messaging. We're here. We have capabilities
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that are outstanding. You can't bother us. Now, it's actually
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the first step in any known contact protocol. But did
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we respond to that? It's almost like they made themselves
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very visible. They made their intelligence very visible, and we
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didn't respond. So I find that is our problem, not
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their problem.
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Right. That's actually very, very, um, I hadn't kind of,
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I hadn't thought about it. Well, in that, that way specifically,
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but yeah, I mean, they're demonstrating from a very, you know, from,
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from early on, from the get-go that, Hey, listen, um,
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that might be your best, like that, you know, you're
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coming after me with your best, but like, just know
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that at any, any moment, you know, we could, you know,
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destroy you. But that's, you know, that's not what we're
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here to do. But don't think that you can, you know,
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don't think that you're a match. And I think, you know,
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it's been very apparent at our nuclear sites that, you know,
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they've demonstrated, you know, far more restraint than humanity has.
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But they've also showed us that, you know, guys that
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you might think these are the most, you know, you know,
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advanced weapons you could possibly have, but at any moment
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they could be, you know, rendered useless. So good.
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Restraint. And I think patience is, it's kind of amazing
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to me. Some of the, Actually, we're not getting much
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usable data from the presidential releases. They're coming out. The
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pursue release is coming out. But one of the things
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that amazes me, there's an incident from, I think, about
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two years ago. And the report just says Western United States,
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which to me is an indications analyst is meaningless. Like
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you need to give me a little more detail about. OK,
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but it looks like it's probably white sands over seven
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hours in response to a test that we were doing.
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the test radar started tracking UFO. They dispatched a helicopter,
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and over that period of seven hours, they had multiple
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radar contacts. It started off in the evening, went until
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after midnight. Then later on, they dispatched jets. So over
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seven hours, we're tracking the object. It's just kind of
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hanging out over the area. By late night, it's looking
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like an orb, but it's reflecting radar, so it's a
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physical object. And by the end of all of this,
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this orb sends out six or seven different little orbs,
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and they form a row. Now, a lot of people
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are kind of interested in what's the propulsion of these things, obviously,
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what's their capability. But what it really did at that
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point in time, what they did at that point in time,
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is this row of orbs starts turning off their lights
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one at a time in sequence. And when it reaches
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the end of the row, they start turning on their
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lights again in sequence. And my immediate reaction is, okay, we,
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the non-human intelligence to watch close encounters of the third kind,
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we probably forgot that. So we didn't respond at all.
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So it's over decades, they have shown their capabilities, they've
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shown their technologies. And they show a great deal of
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patience in the fact that we never respond to them
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in any different manner. You know, we still, if they
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show up, we track them for radar or we send
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a nuclear sub out and they respond to it. But
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it's always, we essentially are the offensive ones. They respond,
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they're there. And in no known cases, certainly there are
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a number of known cases where individual humans and actually
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aircraft fired on them, whether they had orders to or not.
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So you really have to raise the question that tells
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me that they're still, they're hanging around, they're being patient,
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they're signaling us. Over the years, they have done a
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number of different things that would suggest messaging and signaling,
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and we've been totally unresponsive. And one of the things
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that we found in our studies is actually the pattern
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of their behavior changed over time. For the first couple
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of decades, it clearly was focused on the atomic warfare complex.
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And so do you think, can I ask you, I
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just kind of want to stop you there because now,
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because I do want to, I want to gauge you
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on something. Do you think that it began with the atomic,
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like when the atom was split, when mankind rang that
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bell for the first time at Trinity, right? Was that,
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do you think what brought them here or had they
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been here before? And this is what just, there was
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just a massive uptick because we had reached a certain
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level that demonstrated that we needed more of a, maybe
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a more hands-on approach.
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Yeah. That's a really interesting question. One of our team
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members is actually into astronomy and does exoplanet research and
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that sort of thing. And we know now that you can,
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we're almost to the point of having the capability to
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detect atmospheric signatures within a couple of hundred light years.
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So we can say without certainly, if another planet has
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biosignatures that show life, If it has technology signatures that
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show that it's reached the industrial age because the contaminants
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are going to show up in the atmosphere, we can
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see when they get electricity deployed on a large scale.
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in terms of light years. So our best guess is
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that these UFOs, not to say nobody's been here before,
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but these showed up right in the middle of World
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War II. while combat was going on, while we were
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still developing atomics before we had dropped a bomb, they
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actually show up at the material centers before we ever
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even tested an atomic weapon. So what it appears is
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they showed up, they had a good clue on the
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fact that we, you know, we had reached a certain
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level of, you know, technological progress. They showed up, they
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found us in the middle of a world war and just,
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About the same time we got here, we set off
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an atomic explosion. So you can imagine that you'd be
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really curious, like, okay, what is this civilization going to
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do with atomics? Clearly, they understand quantum theory. They can
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do atomics. What are they going to do with it?
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Are they going to take it in a peaceful direction?
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Are they going to build more bombs? Are they going
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to use more bombs? And, of course, over the next
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couple of decades, they found us building 40,000 atomic weapons.
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You know, which obviously would raise some questions.
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Yeah, it's like it's so much it's so overkill that
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it's not even funny. Right. Like it's not it's I
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watched one of those charts. It was like, you know,
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like it's like a YouTube video where, you know, it
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will show you a linear timeline and how many nukes
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were killed. it's scary. At one point during the Cold War,
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I mean, there's enough nuclear weaponry to destroy the earth
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like 20 times over.
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Each side had 20,000 nuclear weapons. What am I, strategic
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nuclear weapons now? And I remember back being kind of
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a military historian when Eisenhower first asked the people on
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the Manhattan Project, you know, it's like, well, how many
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bombs can we build? And he asked the Joint Chiefs,
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how many can we need to destroy Russia? Because he
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did ask that. It's like, well, how many of these
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will we really need to, you know, destroy Russia? And
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the response was, well, we probably should have a dozen. OK,
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and that's, you know, that's in 19. 50, 51, and
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then eight years later, we've got 8,000. They're like, how.
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About a quintillion dozen of them? Of course, just making
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a number up for fun, but it's like, yeah, and
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that's military. That's the military for you. It never ceases
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to amaze me just how.
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I don't know. Knowing that we had the power, and
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we still do, at any moment, we could end civilization
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as we know it here on Earth, which we don't
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even know what the ramifications would be throughout the universe
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and throughout the multiverse and through space-time. what happens if you,
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you know, nuke yourself as a civilization? You know, we don't,
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we just kind of like gauge it as, oh, well,
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we destroy ourselves, but who knows if we're doing damage,
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you know, in a parallel universe more so than we
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are here when we test one of these weapons, let
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alone set it off.
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Well, the other fact is, over the last 10 years
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or so, we have come to know a lot about
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near-Earth space, out to 100 light years, maybe 200 light years.
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And one of the things that's emerged is we've got
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a really choice piece of real estate here. There aren't
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that many biospheres that are habitable within that space. There
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are some, but there are just all sorts of issues
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that we didn't even realize before. The amount of radiation
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from your star, how stable your star is. And we're
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actually in kind of a stable area within a particular
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rift of our galaxy you you would there there's less
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going on there's less uh supernovas there there's just less
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activity so we actually did a second book which will
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be coming out in february which is ufo origins which
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takes our extensions and intention study and says all right
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what we know of their behavior with what we know
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of their behavior what could we at least evaluate as
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far as their particular origins? Across scenarios, you know, is
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it just space? Is it interplanetary, interstellar, intergalactic, space-time warps, dimensional,
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you know, all of those options. But your question is
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really good because the biosphere that we take so much
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for granted, maybe you can understand why somebody would want to, well, no,
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we just can't let them destroy it.
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Yeah. Like, you know, I think a lot of people
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are like, you know, they they jump to the conclusion that,
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you know, there's this prime directive for the NHI. And,
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you know, they they're so concerned with humanity. And it's like, well,
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you know, as much as I think that that, you know,
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they definitely have an interest. I think they're more. They're
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more protective of the actual earth itself because it is clearly,
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it's very, very clear from anyone who does any astronomy
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that what we are living on is not common. In fact,
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you could argue that we live on paradise, that paradise
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has been bestowed to us, but yet we're so busy
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and we're so focused on fighting each other over skin
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color and, you know, insert thing here that we're not
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realizing that, you know, we're lucky. We're very, very lucky
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to live on a planet that is so diverse in
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its landscapes and its peaks and valleys and, you know,
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all of it. And I think people really need to
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remember why we fight, you know, why, why we, why
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we want disclosure, right? It's because when you stand at
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the top of the mountain and you look up, right?
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Disclosure is like what it means to you to not
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be alone in the cosmos. It's not about, you know, how,
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of course, you get there eventually. How did they get here?
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Who are they? But knowing we're not alone, you know,
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that is something that that you have to tackle in here. And,
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you know, when you're alone at the top of the
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mountain staring up, you know, that's a profound feeling to
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know that someone actually is watching back. And it changes
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the dynamic.
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All of the astronauts describe that.
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Yeah.
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All of the astronauts describe that. And we've kind of
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anticipated that. I have a science fiction book on the
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shelf up here that talks about before the first Russian
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went into orbit, but the first cosmonaut going into orbit,
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looking back on earth and realizing getting back on earth.
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And immediately they start talking to him about space weaponry
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and the high ground and everything. And in his mind,
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he's going, no, I think I realize who the real
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enemy is. You know, it's the commissar. It's not, but
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the oceans, the oceans are another big factor. It's, we
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may have something almost unique in the quantity of oceans
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that we've got, the extent to which they moderate the
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weather system. Right. We just now understand that, appreciating the
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full context of the Gulf Stream or El Nino. We've
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just been taking a lot for granted.
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I agree. I couldn't agree more, actually. Before we get
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into some of the heavy stuff, you know, just to
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kind of like, you know, continue the breaking the ice, uh,
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you know, uh, certain Congress members of, you know, even
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friends of mine, uh, you know, I, I, I'm friendly
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with some of the members like Tim Burchett, uh, Tim Burchett, um, uh,
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Eric Burleson and the likes of those guys. Um, you know,
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they've made reference to, uh, uh, some of these crafts
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potentially originating in our oceans. Um, Have you guys looked
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at that possibility? Yeah.
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Actually, one of the things we did, we did two
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things I think are really important. We studied intentions. We
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looked at six different scenarios of intentions, starting out from surveys,
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going through assistance, going through exploitation. We came up with
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like 37 different indicators that you could apply to these. Anyway,
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we looked at scenarios, but the other thing we did
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was look at something we call presence. In other words,
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we have enough data to show we can estimate how
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many reports occurred at a given time, given place. We
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can actually come back and look at their operational cadence
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and make an estimate of presence. And our assessment is
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their presence is limited. They're not here in great numbers.
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They have limited resources. They appear to be somewhat risk adverse,
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even with their technology. And because of that, we posit
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in the book that they would have local basing. Their
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presence and everything we can see about their command and
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control structure, their response times to mission changes, is that
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they would have bases and that they would most likely
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be underwater. So yes, I would I would not be
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at all surprised by an underwater base, much more so
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than something on land or in the Antarctic or something
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like that. I think it's underwater. And probably only two
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or three. Again, not a huge presence.
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Right. And I think that is, you know, I'm kind of,
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I'm on the same lines as you on that, you know,
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in hindsight. I think that there would have to be
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some sort of, uh, you know, even if you, you know,
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even if the right word, you know, we're using base
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because that's, you know, that's in our lexicon, who knows what,
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you know, it is to them, but a place where, where, where,
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you know, they, they can habitate while visiting the planet,
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and do whatever they're doing. So I really want to know,
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because obviously, you know, you're a veteran. Thank you for
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your service. You know, really, really appreciate anyone and everyone
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that does time in the military. What got you, you know,
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what got you into the topic of Was it was
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it a sighting? Was it, you know, just the amount
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of stories? What what what pulled that lever for you?
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What really did it for me is going back all
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the way to 1964. There was a lot of activity
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in 1964 in the midnights. You couldn't. It was in
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newspaper headlines. It was in Life magazine. It was in
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the standard media much more so than it is today
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or certainly over the last few decades. So you couldn't
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avoid it. And here in Oklahoma, we did have a
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wave of sightings that summer. And, you know, I can
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recall listening. I'm a teenager, right? I'm listening to AM radio.
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So suddenly all the news announcers break in and they're
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giving live coverage of, you know, a formation of four
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UFOs sighted over this town and highway patrol are rushing
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to this town and somebody else reports this. So I
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go outside and I'm going, all right. And overhead, I
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see this big, orange, bright orange cigar-shaped thing go over
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at high speed. And I'm going, whoa, I just saw
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a UFO. Well, I realized in a couple of seconds
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it was not a UFO. It's a jet fighter with
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its afterburner on. And what I'm seeing and hearing is
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a jet going in the direction of the UFO reports. Now,
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the next day, the Air Force says, no, it was actually, no,
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the aircraft were We're scrambled. We really didn't track anything.
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And I'm going, yes, you did. I saw them. But
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then their explanation was that people were fooled by seeing
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Orion and the constellation Orion. And that's what they thought
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was a formation of UFOs. And even at that time,
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I was enough into amateur astronomy to go, that's a
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winter constellation. It's not overhead in August. You guys really,
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you're really messed up. And that explanation didn't last long.
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But at that point in time, I really began to
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question what was going on. I did join a couple
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of the early organizations, the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, National
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Investigations Committee, did a couple of field investigations of my own.
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But then, you know, life got in the way. And
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for the next several decades, it was, you know, it's life,
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it's a career. When I retired and came back into it,
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I began doing a lot of work in national security
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areas and actually researched and wrote a book called Surprise Attack.
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And the whole core of the book is evaluating threat
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and warning, the intelligence practices for threat and warning, who
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does it, how do they do it, how effective is.
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And one of the things I looked, I started out
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with Pearl Harbor, and went all the way to Benghazi
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through all the other national security incidents on the way.
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And I found out the practices were quite structured and
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quite effective. We had had warning of virtually everything that
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had happened to us for decades. And the warning community
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was very good at it. But when they reported it
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into the political system, it got screwed up. And in
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most cases, where we got surprised, it wasn't that we
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were really surprised or that everyone was surprised. It was
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just that the folks at the top of the pyramid
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had chosen not to act for various reasons. And so
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that surprise attack book is what really got me into thinking,
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you know, maybe we should be applying these practices to
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the question of UFOs. And that was my entree into
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combining my UFO interest with threat and warning analysis.
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00:33:43.099 --> 00:33:49.720
Okay. Well, what a journey. Right. Well, that kind of,
470
00:33:49.789 --> 00:33:53.490
you answered kind of the first question I had here,
471
00:33:54.150 --> 00:33:58.809
but when people tune into the news today, they're kind
472
00:33:58.849 --> 00:34:05.849
of hit with constant streams of viral clips, whistleblower hearings, isolated,
473
00:34:06.089 --> 00:34:11.659
you know, like I said, isolated single-story cases, but your
474
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:16.429
work takes a completely different path by looking at a
475
00:34:18.670 --> 00:34:25.349
curated 30-year vault of vetted reports through strategic intelligence. If
476
00:34:25.389 --> 00:34:28.570
we step back from the daily chaos, what does the
477
00:34:28.610 --> 00:34:30.630
big picture actually look like?
478
00:34:31.869 --> 00:34:35.110
The big picture, and here's the thing that always puzzles me,
479
00:34:35.969 --> 00:34:39.250
Although I would love more disclosure, I would love more reports.
480
00:34:39.789 --> 00:34:43.150
We have thousands of reports. Actually, we have hundreds of
481
00:34:43.190 --> 00:34:45.489
thousands of reports. We have more data than we need.
482
00:34:45.530 --> 00:34:49.670
The big challenge is curating it down to a solid
483
00:34:49.730 --> 00:34:53.110
core of reports that we can use because more data,
484
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.400
if it's not good data, doesn't help you any. So
485
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.119
what we really saw is we saw two main things
486
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:02.679
come out of our study. And this is a behavioral study.
487
00:35:02.739 --> 00:35:06.519
We're not worried really about propulsion or technology. This is
488
00:35:06.579 --> 00:35:10.659
an activity behavior pattern study. What we saw is when
489
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:15.889
the UFOs showed up during World War II, and for
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00:35:15.929 --> 00:35:20.010
the next probably decade or more, they were highly focused
491
00:35:20.130 --> 00:35:23.889
on our atomic warfare complex. And the interesting thing about
492
00:35:23.929 --> 00:35:26.380
that is that they weren't focused in all of it,
493
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:30.280
and it shifted over time. First, there were clusters around
494
00:35:30.340 --> 00:35:34.860
where we were developing the radioactive materials. Then those clusters
495
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.260
moved to where we were assembling the bombs. Then when
496
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:42.699
we deployed the bombs regionally, the clusters moved out to
497
00:35:42.739 --> 00:35:46.369
those sites. They're called Q sites. And then eventually when
498
00:35:46.409 --> 00:35:49.429
we put them at all the SAC bases and at
499
00:35:49.469 --> 00:35:52.889
the missile bases, they moved. And this all occurs over
500
00:35:53.610 --> 00:35:56.610
like a 15 year period of time. And once they move,
501
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.659
they never recur. So the sightings that were at those
502
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:04.170
first types of facilities don't reoccur. Well, that just screams
503
00:36:04.369 --> 00:36:11.510
out to you, intelligence, mission, agenda, focus. This is a
504
00:36:11.550 --> 00:36:15.010
behavior pattern. There's an intelligent actor going on here with
505
00:36:15.050 --> 00:36:20.949
a mission. However, in the mid-60s, we saw a takeoff
506
00:36:20.989 --> 00:36:24.510
of that pattern. What had been very high visibility, high
507
00:36:24.550 --> 00:36:31.139
profile stuff, daylight sightings, formation flights, aircraft encounters and engagements.
508
00:36:32.409 --> 00:36:36.289
began to shift much more to the nighttime. Yeah, there
509
00:36:36.329 --> 00:36:39.420
was still a core of military activity, but there were
510
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.480
a lot more incidents and engagements with down at a
511
00:36:43.539 --> 00:36:48.619
low level, ground level, with individuals, with small groups, with cars.
512
00:36:49.659 --> 00:36:53.920
It moves from the typical UFO incident being a formation
513
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:58.909
flight over Albuquerque, New Mexico, to a 12 o'clock encounter
514
00:36:58.989 --> 00:37:02.449
with a carload of people on a remote road in Indiana.
515
00:37:03.269 --> 00:37:03.510
Right.
516
00:37:04.150 --> 00:37:07.409
So there's a real change going on here over time.
517
00:37:08.230 --> 00:37:10.739
Why it's going on, there's a lot of speculation. We
518
00:37:10.780 --> 00:37:15.400
have some, but clearly, again, this appears to be an
519
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:20.179
intelligent actor because they have a mission, the mission changes.
520
00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:24.719
And we describe that and characterize it as more of
521
00:37:25.010 --> 00:37:29.659
perhaps a behavioral study. It's a guess, but They may
522
00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:32.110
have simply been puzzled by the fact that we were
523
00:37:32.150 --> 00:37:35.690
failing to respond to them in what had been clearly
524
00:37:35.769 --> 00:37:40.650
intelligent behavior and had demonstrated their capability. Like if I
525
00:37:40.690 --> 00:37:45.969
can demonstrate that I'm really advanced and I'm really not hostile,
526
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.380
why would you not want to talk with me? I
527
00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:51.659
have things to offer. Why are you not engaging with me?
528
00:37:51.820 --> 00:37:57.000
Which we never did. Even after they tried electronic signaling
529
00:37:57.099 --> 00:38:01.199
of various sorts, you know, I, I'm, I'm now beginning
530
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.570
to think that they're just puzzled. They may be questioning
531
00:38:04.989 --> 00:38:08.190
we're intelligent or like, are we just a colony of
532
00:38:08.329 --> 00:38:11.449
ants that understand quantum theory and nothing else?
533
00:38:11.550 --> 00:38:16.349
Yeah. And like you said, you know, that's something I've
534
00:38:16.409 --> 00:38:20.639
pondered for, for a long time as well is the shift,
535
00:38:20.900 --> 00:38:27.360
like you said, from these, you know, kind of dramatic, um,
536
00:38:28.230 --> 00:38:35.320
you know, military sightings to a very, very personal, you know,
537
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:41.239
individual case-by-case basis. Do you think that, I mean, this
538
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:44.599
is obviously speculative, but do you think that they grew
539
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.849
tired of waiting for the military to try to do
540
00:38:47.889 --> 00:38:51.750
the right thing and that they were like, okay, so
541
00:38:51.809 --> 00:38:55.389
maybe the next best way to do this is to
542
00:38:56.349 --> 00:39:01.829
show enough people that there's something else out there to,
543
00:39:03.030 --> 00:39:04.969
you know, because it's not something that's going to take
544
00:39:05.010 --> 00:39:08.610
hold right away. But through the process of, you know,
545
00:39:09.050 --> 00:39:12.420
children having children, you know, having families and yada yada.
546
00:39:13.579 --> 00:39:16.599
You know, I came from a family where my mom
547
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.519
told me that UFOs existed, right? That we didn't have
548
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:24.260
all the answers. You know, I saw a UFO. She
549
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.519
didn't tell me I saw God. She didn't tell me
550
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:30.429
I was mistaken. She said, you saw a UFO. um
551
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.019
and she didn't put it in a box and you
552
00:39:34.059 --> 00:39:36.940
know it's it almost seems like that was you know
553
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:41.000
the the backup plan like show show the people rather
554
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:46.239
than um try to engage with who the queen be
555
00:39:46.300 --> 00:39:46.900
if you will.
556
00:39:47.579 --> 00:39:51.940
I i think of it as desensitization I mean, they
557
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.619
they they may very well. It's like we have to
558
00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:58.000
show ourselves enough. We have to demonstrate we're not hostile,
559
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.780
even when we could be. OK, you know, we'll demonstrate
560
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:04.460
to you that we can take down a wing of
561
00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:08.239
your missiles. But, you know, we won't take them down forever.
562
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:12.349
We'll let them go back. But so to desensitize the
563
00:40:12.369 --> 00:40:15.409
general public. But but I have to say, after all
564
00:40:15.449 --> 00:40:19.730
this time, if you were monitoring our channels and who
565
00:40:19.789 --> 00:40:23.000
knows if they're electromagnetics are even that important to them
566
00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:28.199
as far as communication. We don't know that. That if
567
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.260
they watch the movie Close Encounters, as I mentioned before,
568
00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:35.920
they might be asking themselves, well, clearly this species knows
569
00:40:35.980 --> 00:40:38.429
how to communicate. Why aren't they actually doing it? They're
570
00:40:38.469 --> 00:40:43.429
only doing it in their movies. What's going on here?
571
00:40:43.469 --> 00:40:49.760
So I am puzzled by that. They've given us ample time.
572
00:40:49.820 --> 00:40:52.300
And I think to a large extent, we are desensitized.
573
00:40:53.300 --> 00:40:57.780
I don't think there is going to be any huge panic.
574
00:40:58.420 --> 00:41:02.039
If the Pentagon announced that there is a non-human intelligence
575
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:04.380
involved here, I think it would largely be ho-hum.
576
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:10.590
Now, if we... Yeah. Well, I think most people nowadays
577
00:41:10.650 --> 00:41:15.230
would go, finally, you admitted it. Right?
578
00:41:15.250 --> 00:41:16.010
Yeah.
579
00:41:16.460 --> 00:41:22.949
Like we've been waiting for you to catch up. And yeah, it's,
580
00:41:23.050 --> 00:41:26.230
it's kind of frustrating in that sense where it's like, it's,
581
00:41:26.590 --> 00:41:32.010
we're all just waiting for like some confirmation from the
582
00:41:32.090 --> 00:41:36.500
same machine that told us there was nothing there in
583
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.880
the first place. And it blows my mind that, that
584
00:41:39.980 --> 00:41:44.159
that's the conundrum we seem to be stuck in. And
585
00:41:44.780 --> 00:41:49.519
you know, you know, whoever the others are, you know,
586
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.679
it didn't occur to me that maybe it frustrates them
587
00:41:52.780 --> 00:41:53.340
as well.
588
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:58.119
And I think it may well be. One of the
589
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.309
reasons is we haven't changed our behavior at all. You know,
590
00:42:02.329 --> 00:42:04.949
so that's got to puzzle them, even though they can,
591
00:42:05.730 --> 00:42:08.409
they can watch our media, you know, and even if
592
00:42:08.449 --> 00:42:11.570
they don't, I'm not sure that they've had the capability,
593
00:42:11.650 --> 00:42:16.159
even with a survey group to, to break down our language.
594
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:20.599
Communications is a tough thing. Bilateral communications is really a
595
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.980
tough thing, even on our own biome with dolphins and
596
00:42:24.110 --> 00:42:27.170
elephants and other species that we now know to be
597
00:42:27.250 --> 00:42:30.670
intelligent at a certain level. It's tough.
598
00:42:31.289 --> 00:42:31.530
Right.
599
00:42:33.829 --> 00:42:38.769
But they themselves, their behavior, I think, has become more...
600
00:42:40.690 --> 00:42:44.489
it's almost irrespective of us. They're waiting for us to respond. They're,
601
00:42:44.929 --> 00:42:47.289
they're persistent. They're here. But if you go to the
602
00:42:47.349 --> 00:42:51.789
Tic Tac incident, the Tic Tac incident, they did not
603
00:42:52.210 --> 00:42:56.860
approach that carrier group. They did not engage that carrier group,
604
00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:00.039
not engage the aircraft. They're just kind of going about
605
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.699
their routine business, which appears to involve something under the ocean.
606
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:09.320
And we challenged them over air safety, right? Uh, So again,
607
00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:14.260
it's the same old story, except they're no longer interested
608
00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:17.300
in the carrier group. They're just doing whatever we're doing.
609
00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:21.519
We respond to them. We attempt to engage them with interceptors,
610
00:43:22.090 --> 00:43:24.070
and we go through this same old song and dance.
611
00:43:24.550 --> 00:43:28.070
They just demonstrate to us once again that we have
612
00:43:28.769 --> 00:43:32.170
no capability to actually engage with them and do them
613
00:43:32.230 --> 00:43:36.579
any damage. But it I'm seeing more and more, and
614
00:43:36.659 --> 00:43:39.940
even the fragmentary videos that are released and that sort
615
00:43:39.980 --> 00:43:43.380
of thing, as if they appear to be doing something
616
00:43:43.539 --> 00:43:46.710
independent of us. Where in the beginning, for the first decades,
617
00:43:47.030 --> 00:43:49.489
it really was focused on us. And I'm not sure
618
00:43:49.530 --> 00:43:50.309
it is anymore.
619
00:43:51.969 --> 00:43:57.150
Yeah, that's an interesting point.
620
00:43:58.789 --> 00:44:00.550
But you don't see that sort of thing unless you
621
00:44:00.570 --> 00:44:04.519
have the pattern. Again, that's why I'm frustrated. by the
622
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:10.250
statements that are coming out with people that should know
623
00:44:10.349 --> 00:44:12.730
that you have to do this kind of analysis to
624
00:44:12.769 --> 00:44:15.949
see the real picture. You can't keep getting stuck on
625
00:44:16.250 --> 00:44:19.690
who said what about which, who saw an alien. That
626
00:44:19.769 --> 00:44:23.119
does you no good. I can show you the fact
627
00:44:23.179 --> 00:44:26.960
that the Air Force, back in 1950 to 1952, 1947
628
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:34.170
to 1952, examined multiple bits and pieces of what were
629
00:44:34.190 --> 00:44:38.269
purported to be ufo crash materials they're just bits and
630
00:44:38.309 --> 00:44:42.030
pieces okay they had them they examined them it didn't
631
00:44:42.050 --> 00:44:46.480
really tell them anything you know uh but but the
632
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.599
fact that that's an old story the old story of
633
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.679
bits and pieces has been around for a long time
634
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.619
so the fact that somebody saw something oh that was
635
00:44:55.659 --> 00:44:59.260
a part of a flame The thing that also troubles
636
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.860
me is I've done enough studies in national security to
637
00:45:02.909 --> 00:45:05.889
know that this whole thing of who tells you something,
638
00:45:05.969 --> 00:45:09.309
who shows you something, you've always got to question who
639
00:45:09.349 --> 00:45:13.050
it was and what the purpose of doing that was.
640
00:45:13.250 --> 00:45:18.320
Because very sincere people get really trapped by really good
641
00:45:18.389 --> 00:45:20.480
disinformation programs.
642
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:25.380
Well, that's almost what I'm most concerned about right now.
643
00:45:25.969 --> 00:45:28.659
if I'm being honest with you, Larry, is the fact
644
00:45:28.739 --> 00:45:35.840
that we know and, you know, we know for a fact,
645
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:42.579
you know, vis-a-vis guys like Richard Doty, right? You know, OSI,
646
00:45:43.260 --> 00:45:46.670
the CIA, you know, the NSA, even NASA to a degree.
647
00:45:47.130 --> 00:46:00.409
We know that they know lie to us, right? And
648
00:46:01.050 --> 00:46:15.639
we know that there's disinformation being inserted into the mainstream
649
00:46:16.010 --> 00:46:21.400
to confuse, to muddy the waters, and to discredit certain individuals,
650
00:46:21.699 --> 00:46:26.440
certain stories, or the whole topic itself. But all of
651
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:31.949
a sudden, you got this rollout and the timing is,
652
00:46:32.710 --> 00:46:35.630
it's not a coincidence, I don't think. Ever since the
653
00:46:35.670 --> 00:46:40.170
New York Times article came out, it seems that whoever
654
00:46:40.309 --> 00:46:44.889
is in charge of, you know, the dam and how
655
00:46:44.929 --> 00:46:49.969
much gets through, they saw the tides turning with the internet,
656
00:46:50.409 --> 00:46:53.699
the connection people were having, you know, the, the, the, the,
657
00:46:55.590 --> 00:47:01.269
ability for information to transfer instantaneously around the globe. I
658
00:47:01.289 --> 00:47:05.300
think they saw the tides turning, and they decided that, listen,
659
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:09.019
we need to get ahead of this. So I'm not
660
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.159
so sure, and I'm sorry, I'm not so sure, guys,
661
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.679
and I'm not saying David Grush is a plant. I'm
662
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:19.500
not saying Elizondo is a plant. Actually, maybe Elizondo is
663
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.639
a plant. I don't think David Grush is a plant specifically,
664
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:32.820
but all these DOD-approved whistleblowers. It boggles my mind that
665
00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:36.599
people can't look at that and go, something's not right.
666
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:40.059
For years, they said there's nothing. And now they're telling
667
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.659
us the same stuff that Dr. Greer was ostracized for
668
00:47:44.780 --> 00:47:48.460
many years about. And I'm not saying Greer was right,
669
00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:52.920
but Grush just went on Rogan and said that greys
670
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:57.769
are fighting reptilians and, you know, It's just, it's like.
671
00:47:57.909 --> 00:48:00.869
And the problem is we know where that came from.
672
00:48:01.969 --> 00:48:05.989
We know that the reptilians came out of Dulce base.
673
00:48:06.329 --> 00:48:07.929
Dulce and Paul Benowitz.
674
00:48:08.309 --> 00:48:11.539
And it was all a duty inspired and a DNI.
675
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:16.719
It's kind of like the DNI people created the reptilians
676
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.440
and they created the underbound races. It's kind of like,
677
00:48:20.019 --> 00:48:22.969
this is DI, DNI and DNI are now the ones
678
00:48:23.030 --> 00:48:25.940
that should have been doing the intention studies. But the
679
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:29.860
only thing we know that they actually did was disinformation. So,
680
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:36.090
you know, there's a real problem. If your day job
681
00:48:37.110 --> 00:48:41.409
is to do counterintelligence and disinformation and try to use
682
00:48:41.469 --> 00:48:44.550
the UFO topic to find out who knows about things
683
00:48:44.610 --> 00:48:48.230
that they shouldn't or who will spread rumors that they
684
00:48:48.269 --> 00:48:53.719
shouldn't or who is a security risk, unfortunately, my position is,
685
00:48:54.070 --> 00:48:58.920
That compromises the whole whistleblower thing unless you pursue it. Now,
686
00:48:59.300 --> 00:49:03.960
here's my example. I was involved with people who were
687
00:49:04.019 --> 00:49:09.880
involved with the FBI and investigating the MJ-12 stuff. And
688
00:49:10.179 --> 00:49:14.539
it was determined the FBI essentially concluded that they couldn't
689
00:49:14.579 --> 00:49:19.679
charge with anybody because the point is lying about something,
690
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:25.360
you can create whatever you want. They weren't real classified documents.
691
00:49:25.780 --> 00:49:29.920
So no real crime had been committed. Right. And there's
692
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:33.079
a real story to be learned about that. If what
693
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:37.110
we were talking about on those shows was actually real,
694
00:49:37.610 --> 00:49:42.570
you know, people had compromised real national security documents, real
695
00:49:42.750 --> 00:49:46.559
serious technology programs. I have to tell you, even though
696
00:49:46.579 --> 00:49:49.719
I might not like it, people should be locked up.
697
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:54.280
I mean, the way this works is the FBI should not,
698
00:49:54.380 --> 00:49:59.309
not some house oversight committee, but the FBI, the justice department,
699
00:49:59.809 --> 00:50:02.369
it should not be an IG issue. It should be
700
00:50:02.409 --> 00:50:07.989
an FBI and a, uh, ONI or Air Force. There
701
00:50:08.010 --> 00:50:11.590
are real serious consequences of this that seem to be
702
00:50:11.650 --> 00:50:16.300
escaping everybody. You just don't go on TV and say,
703
00:50:16.929 --> 00:50:21.760
I saw an alien body without being called in and
704
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seriously investigated by who showed it to you when. And
705
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:29.119
we're not brooking any of this, even though I love
706
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:32.469
whistleblower protections and what we've got isn't good enough. You know,
707
00:50:32.590 --> 00:50:35.219
that's not the way the system would normally handle it.
708
00:50:35.500 --> 00:50:39.159
So when the system doesn't handle it, it makes me
709
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.760
curious that there's something wrong here. If the system doesn't
710
00:50:42.820 --> 00:50:46.570
work with the draconian procedures that it's got built in,
711
00:50:46.889 --> 00:50:50.849
wait a minute, I'd prefer to let these guys go
712
00:50:50.969 --> 00:50:53.510
talk about it. Uh-oh, maybe that's a problem.
713
00:50:54.630 --> 00:51:07.599
Exactly. And, you know, again, it really does, it starts
714
00:51:07.739 --> 00:51:12.139
to make me wonder if I've been chasing a lie,
715
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:19.590
a disinformation, or disinformation, you know, this whole time. And
716
00:51:19.630 --> 00:51:24.280
it really starts to mess with your head when, you know,
717
00:51:24.489 --> 00:51:29.460
you look over to what's supposed to be the biggest podcast, right?
718
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:34.719
Joe Rogan, you And then, you know, David Grush is arguably,
719
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:43.630
you know, his credentials are impeccable. But, you know, he
720
00:51:44.110 --> 00:51:51.780
can tell these stories, but anytime the proof is asked for, it's, well,
721
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.380
I can't talk about that. Well, I can't talk about that. Well,
722
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:57.980
it's like, well, then, well, why can you talk about this,
723
00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:04.239
but not that? who's making the judgment call here, right?
724
00:52:04.260 --> 00:52:11.250
Because if it's anyone but DOD, then... Right.
725
00:52:11.369 --> 00:52:15.510
And if that were true, clearly multiple people violated their
726
00:52:15.550 --> 00:52:19.539
security oaths. Having been a minor liver in the military,
727
00:52:19.820 --> 00:52:23.400
that's serious stuff. You don't... I had top secret. You
728
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:26.900
don't do that. And if you then go on TV
729
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.619
and say, oh, by the way, You know, I'm talking
730
00:52:29.659 --> 00:52:32.889
freely about what was classified and still hasn't been released.
731
00:52:33.889 --> 00:52:37.309
They jerked me into an office. And it's let's talk
732
00:52:37.429 --> 00:52:42.150
because you just you signed some paperwork here. Let's let's
733
00:52:42.230 --> 00:52:45.449
talk about that. That that's not happening, which is which
734
00:52:45.510 --> 00:52:50.300
is why, again, our our team feels much safer with
735
00:52:50.619 --> 00:52:51.460
looking at data.
736
00:52:52.260 --> 00:52:52.400
Yes.
737
00:52:52.539 --> 00:52:55.539
And getting away from the people, getting to get away
738
00:52:55.579 --> 00:52:59.610
from the antidotes. Because we think the data. actually speaks
739
00:52:59.650 --> 00:53:04.090
for itself and has for decades. We're now trying to,
740
00:53:04.530 --> 00:53:08.929
our initial study goes from 45 to 75. We're working
741
00:53:09.030 --> 00:53:12.989
on extending it to current times. That's really tough because
742
00:53:13.050 --> 00:53:17.260
the military is holding all its information back. Once the
743
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.699
Air Force stopped collecting it, I will tell you one
744
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:23.739
of the most egregious things going on now is that
745
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:29.960
neither AARO or the PURSUE releases are covering the period
746
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:35.650
in the continental United States from 1976 to 2014, or
747
00:53:36.690 --> 00:53:40.750
actually 2020. It's just a total hole about what might
748
00:53:40.769 --> 00:53:45.150
have been reported at military installations. AARO was chartered with
749
00:53:45.190 --> 00:53:48.090
going back and looking at that history. In the book,
750
00:53:48.130 --> 00:53:49.670
we even say where you have to look. You have
751
00:53:49.690 --> 00:53:53.340
to look at op rep reports, sit rep reports, national
752
00:53:53.380 --> 00:53:55.900
military command center. They've done none of that. If they've
753
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.369
done it, they haven't made it public. If there was
754
00:53:59.409 --> 00:54:02.489
something in there that might worry me, okay, fine. But
755
00:54:02.530 --> 00:54:04.679
they haven't even done that. So I don't have that data.
756
00:54:04.949 --> 00:54:08.579
It's making life hard. So that's a protest on my part.
757
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.780
But the data speaks for itself for the decades that
758
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:19.230
we have available. And the good news is we've curated
759
00:54:19.289 --> 00:54:21.429
it to the point where most of the incidents we're
760
00:54:21.449 --> 00:54:28.199
dealing with are from professionals, pilots, military, law enforcement, Most
761
00:54:28.260 --> 00:54:32.820
of it's corroborated with radar tracking or instrumentation. It's the
762
00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:35.250
sort of thing there is no argument about. When I
763
00:54:35.289 --> 00:54:39.309
look at Malmstrom Air Force Base, and I have several
764
00:54:39.349 --> 00:54:44.550
security teams, and I have a B-52 tracing this thing,
765
00:54:44.809 --> 00:54:47.940
and I have the radar screen photos of that, there
766
00:54:48.019 --> 00:54:52.760
is no debate. And the other thing that irritates me
767
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.099
is the data that we've got from the Air Force
768
00:54:55.139 --> 00:54:58.920
for that 30-year period, is far better than the data
769
00:54:58.940 --> 00:55:02.440
that we're getting from ARO and Pursue Now. They're holding
770
00:55:02.500 --> 00:55:05.119
back all the technical data we would really want to see,
771
00:55:05.139 --> 00:55:08.070
the metadata, the instrumentation data.
772
00:55:09.809 --> 00:55:11.250
Because that proves something.
773
00:55:11.809 --> 00:55:12.070
Yeah.
774
00:55:12.809 --> 00:55:14.409
Right?
775
00:55:14.510 --> 00:55:16.969
We still have the original, I mean, so they're not
776
00:55:17.030 --> 00:55:20.829
helping me on contemporary affairs, but the story from the
777
00:55:20.889 --> 00:55:22.780
first 30 years is very clear.
778
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:25.860
I want to talk to you about Malmstrom now that
779
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:31.239
you brought it up. Um, I worked very, very closely
780
00:55:32.019 --> 00:55:36.219
with Robert Salas. Um, I was able to bring him
781
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:41.559
into multiple, uh, members of Congress's office, um, and allow
782
00:55:41.619 --> 00:55:46.559
him to brief sitting members of Congress. Um, and he
783
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:50.139
had been waiting 50 years to do so. Um, I
784
00:55:50.179 --> 00:55:53.090
did it with a couple of phone calls, um, and
785
00:55:53.130 --> 00:55:56.059
it blew my mind that it hadn't been done already. And, uh,
786
00:55:56.389 --> 00:56:03.659
even guys like Dave Schindley, who was at Minot in 66,
787
00:56:03.659 --> 00:56:08.079
six months before the 67 Malmstrom incident. And then I
788
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:11.760
worked with a guy named Mario Woods, who was at
789
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:15.000
Ellsworth Air Force Base in, I believe, 79, I believe
790
00:56:15.019 --> 00:56:22.800
it was. And the consistent thing that I see through
791
00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:26.500
all of these nuclear sites, and obviously Robert Hastings has
792
00:56:26.539 --> 00:56:29.519
a great book, UFOs and Nukes, where it's a very
793
00:56:29.619 --> 00:56:36.650
dry book of data in cases, but a lot of
794
00:56:36.710 --> 00:56:42.989
the same things are being seen at these bases, reddish, orange,
795
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:49.610
orbs of light that are breaching the perimeter, they range
796
00:56:49.670 --> 00:56:54.619
in size, but they're able to move at tremendous speeds.
797
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:59.579
They're able to interfere with our nuclear weapons, whether it's
798
00:56:59.619 --> 00:57:05.110
shutting them off, turning them on in some cases, like
799
00:57:05.139 --> 00:57:08.750
in the Soviet Union or the former Soviet Union, modern
800
00:57:08.789 --> 00:57:11.590
day Ukraine, which is a case that came out through
801
00:57:11.630 --> 00:57:15.849
George Knapp. When he brought records back from the Soviet
802
00:57:15.969 --> 00:57:22.010
Union after it fell, But there is clearly something unequivocally
803
00:57:22.550 --> 00:57:26.739
happening at our military sites. And these are the people
804
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:37.800
that we entrust with our nation's most complex, most catastrophic,
805
00:57:39.010 --> 00:57:46.039
world-ending weaponry. And when they say, hey, something's going on,
806
00:57:46.769 --> 00:57:50.679
I tend to want to listen or at least owe
807
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:54.519
it to them to listen. So what do you know
808
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:55.360
about Malmstrom?
809
00:57:56.460 --> 00:57:59.780
Well, for all of those cases, I think what disappoints
810
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:01.739
me about all of them is it's kind of like
811
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:05.599
the pilot cases. The security teams at the missile bases
812
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:10.199
are handpicked. They either work for SAC or they work
813
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:15.750
for STRATCOM. You know, these are highly trained, highly qualified people.
814
00:58:17.429 --> 00:58:20.429
They're there in case, you know, the Soviets preempted us
815
00:58:20.489 --> 00:58:25.489
and dropped Spaznets troops in. If you can't trust them,
816
00:58:26.650 --> 00:58:29.860
there's something wrong. The same goes for the interceptor pilots.
817
00:58:29.989 --> 00:58:32.659
If you can't take their word for it, they're defending
818
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.460
the continental United States, you know, back in the 50s
819
00:58:35.500 --> 00:58:39.079
and 60s from Soviet bombers. If you can't trust them,
820
00:58:39.099 --> 00:58:42.679
the whole system comes apart. It just boggles my mind
821
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:47.440
when it's sort of like I listen to. A security team,
822
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:51.239
multiple witnesses who say they saw a UFO hover, not
823
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:56.909
just above the silos, but above a atomic weapons bomb
824
00:58:57.130 --> 00:59:00.789
storage hut at the airbase. You know, I watched this
825
00:59:00.829 --> 00:59:03.190
thing there. We tried to respond to it. We kind
826
00:59:03.250 --> 00:59:07.389
of maneuvered around. It kept moving. And in the end,
827
00:59:07.449 --> 00:59:11.030
it just took off. You know, but they won't, that even,
828
00:59:11.050 --> 00:59:13.920
I guess to wrap up what you really ask is,
829
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.920
I think the surprising thing is that all of that
830
00:59:17.980 --> 00:59:21.780
got reported to the National Military Command Center, to the
831
00:59:21.860 --> 00:59:26.579
NMCC at the Pentagon. It got reported to NORAD. It
832
00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:29.849
wasn't that this stuff was not reported. But when you
833
00:59:29.929 --> 00:59:32.110
look at the paper trail from the guys that did
834
00:59:32.130 --> 00:59:36.090
the fantastic FOIA work, there's never any result on the
835
00:59:36.150 --> 00:59:41.010
other end. Was that ever assigned? Did that ever get
836
00:59:41.090 --> 00:59:45.320
kicked up to the Intelligence Committee? Did they just, it's like,
837
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:50.139
it stopped, so we'll just drop it? That's what troubles
838
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:53.800
me is there's no sign in the records that any
839
00:59:53.860 --> 00:59:57.619
of the, even the most sensational cases got elevated to,
840
00:59:57.929 --> 01:00:00.550
They should have gone to the National Security Council or
841
01:00:00.590 --> 01:00:03.760
their advisory committee. But there's just no sign that they
842
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.900
ever get elevated up to being a national level problem,
843
01:00:07.219 --> 01:00:10.820
which clearly when you have UFOs operating over the entire
844
01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:15.539
northern tier ICBM bases, it is a national intelligence problem.
845
01:00:16.139 --> 01:00:22.710
Yeah. Inherently, even at the baseline, like whether you want
846
01:00:22.750 --> 01:00:26.510
to say it's another, you know, nation state or whatever,
847
01:00:27.860 --> 01:00:33.199
bad actor that has some sort of technology that's able
848
01:00:33.260 --> 01:00:39.389
to fly with impunity through our most secure sites, that baseline,
849
01:00:40.309 --> 01:00:44.989
that there's something there, that's enough to warrant further investigation.
850
01:00:45.809 --> 01:00:49.039
Well, and you remember what their answer was. Ultimately, they
851
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:54.000
attributed it to helicopters, mystery helicopters. And I'm going, oh
852
01:00:54.019 --> 01:00:58.840
my God, if mystery helicopters can penetrate the ICM base
853
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.420
and hover over the bomb dumps, the Russians really don't
854
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:06.860
have to do much. Come in, hire half a dozen helicopters,
855
01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:11.289
and we're done. It's insane that you would even write
856
01:01:11.329 --> 01:01:14.469
the reports off by saying, well, they're mystery helicopters, but
857
01:01:14.510 --> 01:01:19.389
we couldn't find out where they came from. Who would
858
01:01:19.469 --> 01:01:23.179
read that report and not laugh at it? It almost
859
01:01:23.260 --> 01:01:25.920
makes me want to go, Who was the top guy
860
01:01:25.980 --> 01:01:28.239
in the chain of command for this? And why did
861
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:31.539
he not call somebody on the carpet? You know, your
862
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:37.300
whole security system obviously sucks. Yeah. It's just not working.
863
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:39.559
Clearly not working.
864
01:01:40.070 --> 01:01:40.260
Yeah.
865
01:01:41.449 --> 01:01:44.349
And, you know, I've talked to many of these guys,
866
01:01:44.809 --> 01:01:49.590
many of these nuclear witnesses. And the one thing that
867
01:01:49.630 --> 01:01:57.219
they tell me is that, if they could describe these
868
01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:08.469
bases in one word, it is safe, safety, like safety priority, um, regimented, right. Um,
869
01:02:09.690 --> 01:02:15.030
like they, they train, they train, they train, they train,
870
01:02:15.369 --> 01:02:16.050
and they train.
871
01:02:16.949 --> 01:02:23.230
Um, And their profile, their site profile screened under SAC,
872
01:02:23.269 --> 01:02:26.170
and I'm sure it's under Stratcom too. Yeah. You know,
873
01:02:26.190 --> 01:02:29.750
if you make the wrong statement or say the wrong
874
01:02:29.789 --> 01:02:32.590
thing in a bar or whatever. You're out. You're out.
875
01:02:33.030 --> 01:02:36.110
You're out. And which makes me think again, okay, my
876
01:02:36.170 --> 01:02:39.829
security teams all reported this. They all said they saw UFOs,
877
01:02:40.570 --> 01:02:44.530
but they're still there. So in essence, somebody accepted the
878
01:02:44.570 --> 01:02:47.840
fact that they actually saw what they said they saw.
879
01:02:48.340 --> 01:02:50.320
And we can leave them in place. We're not going
880
01:02:50.340 --> 01:02:53.920
to rotate all of them. We're just not going to
881
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.860
deal with it. But you're right. The watchword for SAC
882
01:02:57.900 --> 01:03:04.260
and for STRATCOM is it's awesome how demanding they were.
883
01:03:04.380 --> 01:03:09.619
But then in the same breath, they put that report
884
01:03:09.699 --> 01:03:11.739
out and it's like, wait, what?
885
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:16.360
This doesn't... I know it wasn't a helicopter. I was
886
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:19.079
right under it. It was not a helicopter. Why won't
887
01:03:19.139 --> 01:03:21.460
you believe me? When you leave the report, you almost
888
01:03:21.500 --> 01:03:23.739
get to that point. It's like, why will you not
889
01:03:23.820 --> 01:03:25.719
believe me that it wasn't a helicopter?
890
01:03:26.909 --> 01:03:29.789
And well, part of me, part of me says that
891
01:03:29.829 --> 01:03:30.630
they do believe.
892
01:03:31.869 --> 01:03:32.050
Yeah.
893
01:03:32.389 --> 01:03:36.710
That they know. But right. You know, of course, that's
894
01:03:36.730 --> 01:03:40.389
where we get into territory where it's a little bit dicey.
895
01:03:40.929 --> 01:03:44.389
What I, you know, I got to ask and, I
896
01:03:44.449 --> 01:03:49.070
know we have limited time tonight, but I don't know
897
01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:53.219
how we're already an hour in, but I could talk
898
01:03:53.260 --> 01:03:59.659
to you for days. This has already been amazing. What
899
01:04:01.739 --> 01:04:05.980
do you make about abductions? What do you make about...
900
01:04:05.780 --> 01:04:08.090
I know you center your stuff on.
901
01:04:08.809 --> 01:04:12.150
That's an interesting second question. I'd like to talk about it.
902
01:04:12.250 --> 01:04:15.179
I've actually... It's not that I'm not interested in them,
903
01:04:15.860 --> 01:04:21.739
but I think there's a taxonomy of the UFO experience.
904
01:04:22.389 --> 01:04:22.550
Yeah.
905
01:04:22.590 --> 01:04:25.269
And there's a taxonomy on one end that relates to
906
01:04:25.690 --> 01:04:30.230
physical objects that reflect radar waves. In the middle, these
907
01:04:30.269 --> 01:04:35.900
are same physical objects and people are, they see them
908
01:04:36.300 --> 01:04:39.159
and then they describe being abducted and the experience they
909
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:43.519
have like Pascagoula or- Betty and Barney Hill, we can
910
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:46.929
talk about. But then there's the others where there's no
911
01:04:47.050 --> 01:04:52.389
UFO involved. Aliens are reported. Greys are reported. There's no
912
01:04:52.510 --> 01:04:56.449
UFO involved. It's in a bedroom. You know, we love
913
01:04:56.489 --> 01:04:59.110
to talk about that. It's just such a broad subject.
914
01:04:59.219 --> 01:05:03.099
I have to. It's like, OK, I have to be
915
01:05:03.179 --> 01:05:05.980
up front about which part I'm talking about in what space.
916
01:05:07.300 --> 01:05:09.619
Right. You almost have to give a disclaimer like this
917
01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.090
is all speculation at this point. Right.
918
01:05:12.670 --> 01:05:15.550
Although it could be tackled. The interesting thing is you
919
01:05:15.570 --> 01:05:17.969
could use the same techniques. And I'm talking to a
920
01:05:17.989 --> 01:05:21.900
couple of trauma psychologists and the issue of trying to
921
01:05:21.940 --> 01:05:25.820
find markers that are associated with abductions. Missing time may
922
01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:29.380
be a very strong marker. Another very strong marker is
923
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:32.599
that it appears the people that may have truly been
924
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:37.480
abducted are troubled by this experience and they want to
925
01:05:37.539 --> 01:05:42.909
recover it. And most people who are truly traumatized, don't
926
01:05:43.030 --> 01:05:46.110
want to recover it. That's the last thing that they
927
01:05:46.150 --> 01:05:50.260
want to do is give it. These people, unfortunately, I
928
01:05:50.340 --> 01:05:51.719
am going to have to drop off to go to
929
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:54.420
another show. But yeah, I would love to talk about
930
01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:57.539
either that or there are a lot of things about
931
01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:02.420
intentions and origins that we have dealt with in the
932
01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:04.340
books that we could talk about separately.
933
01:06:05.900 --> 01:06:09.599
Can I ask you one last thing? Sure. So to
934
01:06:09.659 --> 01:06:11.800
wrap things up, you know, I'm glad, I'm glad we
935
01:06:11.820 --> 01:06:14.050
were able to do this segment. You have an open door,
936
01:06:14.110 --> 01:06:17.550
my friend, um, you know, to this, cause I have
937
01:06:18.329 --> 01:06:21.449
plenty more that we didn't even get to touch on. How,
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how has staring into this data for years changed that
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your own view of our future? Um, you know, has
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it changed your own view of our future as humanity?
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Actually, I, I hate to say this, but it's probably
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made me a little bit more negative because it's kind
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of exposed to me that we can't really fully engage
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with reality. Things that are staring us in the face.
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In the book, we talk about something called institutional denial.
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And institutional denial is very dangerous. If you look at
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some of the things that are happening right now in
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terms of of the climate and the biosphere. If you
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look at our own technology, you know, it's kind of
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01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:19.090
weird that in 1952, we were flying aircraft at a
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certain speed to intercept UFOs. Guess what? In 2014, our
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aircraft are largely the same. We have no new technologies.
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We have no new propulsion system. And what's the most
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dangerous weapon that we're stepping back to? Drones powered by
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rotors or maybe a jet, you know, like V1, V2.
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We've been there. I don't know if it's institutional denial
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at the academic level, the government level, but something seems
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to be holding us back. So I hate to say that,
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01:07:50.409 --> 01:07:54.300
but and especially my age, it's kind of like, OK,
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until we can really be open about some of the
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things that we're facing, I'm afraid we're building walls around ourselves.
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And that's a bad thing.
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I agree. Where can people find the book, Larry? And
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where can people?
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The book is now available at shipping. It's on Amazon,
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but basically anywhere you would buy a book, eBay or,
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you know, so it's widely available now. Actually, what I
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can do is I can drop you a link to
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our team page where we discuss a lot of things
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about our intentions work. And that's probably the best place
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to see what we're doing because we're carrying this forward
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as best we can.
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Well, I'll put that in the link below for people
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on the replay. Larry, I know you got to get going.
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I got to get ready for Texas. So please, let's talk.
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01:08:46.420 --> 01:08:50.930
Let's get back on the horn. And I really, I'd
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01:08:50.970 --> 01:08:52.670
like to do, you know, maybe we could set a
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couple hours for like a really in-depth conversation.
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Would love to do that and say hello to Boston
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01:08:59.890 --> 01:09:02.260
for me. I spent several years working on South Street.
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Ah, good old South Street. All right.
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We'll talk to you next time.
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Talk to you next time. Thank you, Larry.
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You bet. All right.
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It was such a wonderful evening with Larry Hancock. You know,
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he's such a great guy who I was just introduced to.
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We're going to be the show. I mean, we are
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going to be headed out to Austin, Texas. Tomorrow, I'll
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be leaving for Austin and we're going to be covering
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what was known as Austin Quest and now being known
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as SideQuest. A very, very funny, ironic thing. But yeah,
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it's going to be super fun. So I will be
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probably live multiple times throughout the weekend. Um, and with
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various people, I know, uh, Kurt Metzger, uh, Duncan Trussell,
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like the mystery boys, um, you know, guys like Billy
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Carson who let's face it, you know, um, but others, uh,
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some amazing people like David Childress, uh, and, and so
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many more, you and all those people that we've been
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networking with in the past year. So it's going to
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be really fun to kind of, you know, not just
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be focusing on UFOs per se, but bridging the gap into,
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you know, a broader topic set. So can't wait to
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do that. I'll be one of the videographers for the
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conference and I will be capturing as much as I
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can and bringing it to you in some sort of
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story format once I get back. So it's going to
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be really fun. And yeah, and then I got a
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couple other surprises while I'm down in Austin. So thank
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you guys. Make sure to like, share, subscribe. As always,
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one is Bryce Abel, and that's in... coming up in November,
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and then a slew of people after that. So stay tuned.
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Lots coming. And stay humble. Stay kind. Most importantly, stay vigilant.