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Thank you for being with us. What do you make
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of the summit?
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So I've been listening to your gloommongers there and quite
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surprised really at the tone that they've been taking. I
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think that you need to take these things in the round. So,
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for example, there's been no progress made in relation to Gaza.
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Let's let's let's hit let's go for that, because it's
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right to say that. Donald Trump said, you know, we
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don't agree on this. But remember this, They had an
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hour long conversation just the two of them. How many
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times does Donald Trump have an hour long private conversation
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with any world leaders?
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You know?
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And Donald Trump needs to have some decent friends. He
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needs to have some sensible friends. He needs to stop
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listening to the likes of Netanyahu and Putin and spend
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some time with some people who can help him and
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help the world to find a way through problems such
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as as Gaza. Now he says that he doesn't agree
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with us recognizing Palestine, but he and he focused on
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the on the ostriches, and he said they had to
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be released before and then there will be peace. And
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you know, and the question is what does that piece
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then look like? And the fact that he was not
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overtly criticizing us, just saying that he didn't agree, I
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think doesn't show that there's a major wedge between the
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Prime Minister and the President of the United States. And
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I think that it's all to play for. I think that,
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you know, if a sensible plan can be put before
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Donald Trump, there aren't any other sensible plans that are
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being hatched. And I think that, you know, Kirs Starmer,
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having a good relationship with the President is an absolute
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positive and is that there is a possibility of being
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able to influence him in the right way. So I
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mean that, for example, I also heard complaints about the tariffs,
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you know, in the fact that we have higher tariffs
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than we did before Donald Trump could it, and of
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course we do. We have ten percent tariffs. It's better
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that than to be a Swiss person at the moment
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who has thirty nine percent tariffs. I mean, we do
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have the best tariffs of any other country. I mean,
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it's like it's unfortunate we have at all, of course,
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and more negotiations need to happen in relation to steal.
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I mean, to be honest with you, I wasn't thinking
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I was going to come on and say all of that.
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But having just listened to your journalists kind of you know,
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pouring such cold water on everything, I.
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Just feel a bit provoked, fair enough, But I will
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come back on a bit of it because I think
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in that defense, we have said that it has been
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a success, that you know, Donal Trump was well behave
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that there clearly is a positive personal relationship between these
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two men, which I'll be honest, I didn't predict a
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year ago that has come to pass. And also that
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that investment that was announced is a real deal. It's significant.
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But just on Gaza, just to pit you up on
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the Gaza thing, and look, I take your point that
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it is important to get Donald Trump in the room.
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It's important to have that strong relationship in order to
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make the case. But there hasn't been any movement on Gaza,
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has there? And you listen to what Donald Trump said
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in the press conference. He wasn't moving towards Kistan's perspective
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at all, and he said that he disagreed quite you know,
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strongly it felt with the recognition of Palestine statehood. Now
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you might say that, look, you're not going to persuade
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him on something like Gad so that's just how it is.
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But it's not really like there has been a diplomatic breakthrough.
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On it though surely no, I'm not saying there's been
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a diplomatic breakthrough, but what I have. What I am
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saying is this is that the differences that there are
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are not insurmountable, are not a major problem. He didn't
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use this as an opportunity to have a go at Britain.
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You know, why are you doing this? You know, it's
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irresponsible or kind of picking up on any of Netna
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who's like wilder lines against Britain that obviously they have
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been trying to persuade the Americans of the truth off
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but instead simply saying, well, I don't agree with Britain
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in relation to this, and it leaves the door open
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to you know, he wants peace, We want peace, so
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you know, how do we go about achieving that? So,
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I mean, he as far as he's concerned, it's conditional
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on the hostages being released. And frankly, I don't think
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they've many people who would disagree with that. You know,
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the hostages must be released in order for there to
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be peace. But then the question is what does Donald
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Trump want when it comes to peace, and he is
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talking about, you know, losing patients with nettnow who he
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I mean, the wording is kind of much stronger than that,
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you know privately, from what one understands, and the same
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with Putin, So at that moment, at that precise moment,
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when he's losing patients with these two, you know, for
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Britain to be in a strong position and for him
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to have a strong relationship with the Prime Minister is
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not a negative. It is a positive and it is
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important not only for Britain, but I think, you know,
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for the cause of peace in both both Gaza and
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in Ukraine, for us to have the era of the
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president and for him to be listening.
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Can I ask, do you think that Israel's actions in
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Gaza are mantogenocide?
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Personally? Yeah, personally I think it looks like a genocide
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to me. But it doesn't really matter what I think.
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What Matt is what a court of law thinks, and
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there will be a reckoning for this, and at that stage,
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you know, we need to have a court of law
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make a decision one way or the other. You know,
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it won't be for politicians, and remember you know they
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won't let journalists like yourself into Gaza. So it's quite
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difficult at this stage to be able to get a
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proper assessment of evidence. But from what one can see,
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yeah sure it looks like a genocide. But you know,
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I'm not the one who makes the decision. A court
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will make the decision.
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Emery Thornbrae, thank you very much for coming the program
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for your spirited defensive Well
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Sorry, but really, you know I was so provoked
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Thank you for being with us. What do you make
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of the summit?
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So I've been listening to your gloommongers there and quite
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surprised really at the tone that they've been taking. I
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think that you need to take these things in the round. So,
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for example, there's been no progress made in relation to Gaza.
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Let's let's let's hit let's go for that, because it's
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right to say that. Donald Trump said, you know, we
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don't agree on this. But remember this, They had an
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hour long conversation just the two of them. How many
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times does Donald Trump have an hour long private conversation
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with any world leaders?
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You know?
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And Donald Trump needs to have some decent friends. He
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needs to have some sensible friends. He needs to stop
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listening to the likes of Netanyahu and Putin and spend
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some time with some people who can help him and
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help the world to find a way through problems such
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as as Gaza. Now he says that he doesn't agree
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with us recognizing Palestine, but he and he focused on
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the on the ostriches, and he said they had to
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be released before and then there will be peace. And
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you know, and the question is what does that piece
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then look like? And the fact that he was not
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overtly criticizing us, just saying that he didn't agree, I
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think doesn't show that there's a major wedge between the
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Prime Minister and the President of the United States. And
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I think that it's all to play for. I think that,
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you know, if a sensible plan can be put before
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Donald Trump, there aren't any other sensible plans that are
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being hatched. And I think that, you know, Kirs Starmer,
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having a good relationship with the President is an absolute
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positive and is that there is a possibility of being
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able to influence him in the right way. So I
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mean that, for example, I also heard complaints about the tariffs,
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you know, in the fact that we have higher tariffs
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than we did before Donald Trump could it, and of
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course we do. We have ten percent tariffs. It's better
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that than to be a Swiss person at the moment
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who has thirty nine percent tariffs. I mean, we do
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have the best tariffs of any other country. I mean,
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it's like it's unfortunate we have at all, of course,
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and more negotiations need to happen in relation to steal.
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I mean, to be honest with you, I wasn't thinking
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I was going to come on and say all of that.
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But having just listened to your journalists kind of you know,
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pouring such cold water on everything, I.
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Just feel a bit provoked, fair enough, But I will
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come back on a bit of it because I think
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in that defense, we have said that it has been
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a success, that you know, Donal Trump was well behave
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that there clearly is a positive personal relationship between these
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two men, which I'll be honest, I didn't predict a
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year ago that has come to pass. And also that
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that investment that was announced is a real deal. It's significant.
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But just on Gaza, just to pit you up on
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the Gaza thing, and look, I take your point that
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it is important to get Donald Trump in the room.
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It's important to have that strong relationship in order to
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make the case. But there hasn't been any movement on Gaza,
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has there? And you listen to what Donald Trump said
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in the press conference. He wasn't moving towards Kistan's perspective
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at all, and he said that he disagreed quite you know,
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strongly it felt with the recognition of Palestine statehood. Now
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you might say that, look, you're not going to persuade
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him on something like Gad so that's just how it is.
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But it's not really like there has been a diplomatic breakthrough.
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On it though surely no, I'm not saying there's been
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a diplomatic breakthrough, but what I have. What I am
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saying is this is that the differences that there are
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are not insurmountable, are not a major problem. He didn't
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use this as an opportunity to have a go at Britain.
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You know, why are you doing this? You know, it's
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irresponsible or kind of picking up on any of Netna
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who's like wilder lines against Britain that obviously they have
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been trying to persuade the Americans of the truth off
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but instead simply saying, well, I don't agree with Britain
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in relation to this, and it leaves the door open
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to you know, he wants peace, We want peace, so
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you know, how do we go about achieving that? So,
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I mean, he as far as he's concerned, it's conditional
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on the hostages being released. And frankly, I don't think
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they've many people who would disagree with that. You know,
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the hostages must be released in order for there to
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be peace. But then the question is what does Donald
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Trump want when it comes to peace, and he is
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talking about, you know, losing patients with nettnow who he
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I mean, the wording is kind of much stronger than that,
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you know privately, from what one understands, and the same
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with Putin, So at that moment, at that precise moment,
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when he's losing patients with these two, you know, for
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Britain to be in a strong position and for him
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to have a strong relationship with the Prime Minister is
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not a negative. It is a positive and it is
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important not only for Britain, but I think, you know,
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for the cause of peace in both both Gaza and
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in Ukraine, for us to have the era of the
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president and for him to be listening.
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Can I ask, do you think that Israel's actions in
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Gaza are mantogenocide?
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Personally? Yeah, personally I think it looks like a genocide
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to me. But it doesn't really matter what I think.
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What Matt is what a court of law thinks, and
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there will be a reckoning for this, and at that stage,
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you know, we need to have a court of law
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make a decision one way or the other. You know,
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it won't be for politicians, and remember you know they
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won't let journalists like yourself into Gaza. So it's quite
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difficult at this stage to be able to get a
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proper assessment of evidence. But from what one can see,
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yeah sure it looks like a genocide. But you know,
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I'm not the one who makes the decision. A court
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will make the decision.
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Emery Thornbrae, thank you very much for coming the program
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for your spirited defensive Well
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Sorry, but really, you know I was so provoked
