From Double Dragon to Wrestlefest- Time Pals Celebrate Yoshihisa Kishimoto!

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It's underscore the time pals.
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This year has been rough for the pulp culture memorial.
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We lost Chuck Norris, Aiden Pendeteer, Katherine O'Hara, Dolly Pardon, Tim Curry.
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We friggin' lost James Vanderbe, the guy who tricked me into watching movies and being kind of an asshole would get me the girl next door.
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Technically, he lost to Pacey twice.
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2026, pals, is a bad time.
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So today I wanted to take a few moments and celebrate someone who passed away and whose death was kind of under the radar.
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I'm talking about Yoshihisha Kishimoto, considered to be one of the godfathers of the modern arcade beat-em-up.
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His contributions helped create an entire genre of arcade games and eventually led to sweaty pro wrestling nerds like me and Mr.
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Bortman to waste so many quarters on a little game called WWF WrestleFest.
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So with me tonight is the main host of the Time Pals and the MC of this year's initial mile cosplay run, John Powell.
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Hey everybody, I'm back.
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You can just feel the mayonnaise coming from the stream.
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I do not like mayonnaise at all.
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You are from Hayward.
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It goes on two things.
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I was gonna say it goes on two things, and one of them is corn.
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Dude, I hate corn.
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I hate corn.
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You hate corn?
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Really?
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I hate corn.
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Even if you put like spices like elote, you just make it like more Mexican.
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Yeah, that's what I mean.
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That's what I can do.
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Corn kernels like in a bowl.
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Like I'd rather.
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I'd rather die.
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Amazing.
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Can you just dry them out like a Native American so I can pop them later?
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Yeah.
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Or at least make them a death torque.
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Um the other voice you're hearing is our special guest because anytime anyone in the time pal says the words pro wrestling, he floats in our direction like a cartoon character smelling a pie cooling on the windowsill.
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It's Twitch, it's Twitch's Mr.
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Bortman.
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Hello.
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I am currently reaching a three-stream streak with John's live Twitch stream, and I am saying fuck you.
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And he can read it right on his comment section of his Twitch right now.
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Uh every time I see the words Mr.
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Bortman, I think of uh South Park with Hackman.
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Yeah.
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You will not stop me this time, Hackman.
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Uh, main question for the pals for this episode: how do we get from Billy and Jimmy Lee fighting machine gun Willie to Earthquake splashing the big boss man?
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Uh, the same way all good stories start, it all began with petty revenge over a woman.
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So the story goes like this: When Yoshi Kishimoto was in high school, he became the equivalent of your most shy and sensitive metalhead friend, not Mr.
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Bortman.
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Surprisingly.
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Static ex shirt, journal full of bad poetry, again, neither me or Bortman.
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Lettered in theater instead of sports because his dad didn't want to be proud of him ever.
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I'm talking about Kishimoto, not either of us.
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Came from a Filipino family, didn't celebrate a birthday until he was 30.
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Anyway, Kishimoto.
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Kishimoto did what many of us nerds could not do.
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He got himself a girlfriend.
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Yay! And then he lost himself a girlfriend.
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Boo.
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According to Kishimoto, getting dumped helped trigger a period of his life when he was getting into fights constantly.
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And the thing about the 80s is that you couldn't channel that nerd rage into an angry Reddit post or throw Limbiscuit lyrics on your Instagram story.
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Kishimoto did the next best thing.
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He eventually turned all those experiences into a video game.
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The developer, Technos, made a 1986 game called, and I'm gonna butcher the fuck out of this, so I should have John read it instead.
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Nekaketsu Koha Konyokun.
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And by your blank reactions, you might know it from the 80s street gang makeover and called it Renegade.
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Renegade is something you guys have probably seen.
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I saw John uh the other night on the stream.
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Basically, he played as Kunio, however, he was also known as Mr.
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K Wink, a high school delinquent beating the absolute shit out of various gangs because they were bowling his friend Hiroshi.
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Shishimoto handled his heartbreak the way all two high schoolers do, by keeping his feelings inside and punching everyone within arm's reach.
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In the Japanese version, Mr.
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K fought four gangs in order to reach his former classmate.
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In the traditional Japanese storytelling, the game ended with a dramatic handshake and multiple students silently observing in great shame.
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When this got to America, when he brought the game to the West, the first reaction was friendship, fuck that.
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Americans need a kidnapped woman with great big boobies.
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And thus, Renegade replaced his Kunio and Herocious history with something more 80s about a hero fighting a bunch of uh street tufts to rescue his girlfriend.
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The important part wasn't the really the story, it was that Kishimoto made something amazing with the gameplay.
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I don't know if you guys ever played arcade games in the 80s, but generally a lot of games like Kung Fu Master had a whole one-hit kill thing.
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You guys probably remember Kung Fu and NES.
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Guys would just run at you, you hit him once with a high kick, and they drop to the ground.
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You just do this the entire game.
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Shinobi was like that.
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Not a lot of actual punchy kicky shit.
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Kishimoto wanted fights that felt like real fights.
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So his enemies in Kunio kun would take multiple hits to go with that before they went down.
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You were just walking across, karate chopping an endless supply of assholes.
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Legendary gaming progress that we all kind of take for granted now, quite frankly.
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That is his contribution to the arcade world.
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He also changed the way you moved through the environment.
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Instead of being restricted by left and right, you can move up and down to the battlefield, which basically created little combat arenas.
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But it also created another problem.
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You can't push up the jump, which is all these games did at the time.
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So instead, you had a jump button.
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He made a jump, kick, and punch button, which is a three-button setup, which then became the foundation of all these freaking games.
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That is another one of his legacies.
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Before Renegade, everything was just attack, up to jump, and then maybe another button.
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He gave that person the amend uh the ability to do anything they wanted and feel like an actual beat-em-up that we now obviously have played a million times of.
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So, do any of you guys have any memories or have ever played Renegade whatsoever?
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So I've seen it around at various like arcades.
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Not a ton of them, but there's all there's always those arcades where you find like in the back dusty corner that one cabinet that they got, and it's some game that you're like, what the hell is that?
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Looks old.
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And um that one for me, there was a a small arcade in downtown Hayward, and they had a renegade cabinet in there.
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I don't know if it was like uh an emulated one, I don't know if it was a legitimate one, but it was running, it was running Renegade, and it was fun because I mean those beat-em-ups, I think all of us played the hell out of those as we were kids because it was there was just a wave of them.
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Oh, yeah, 100%.
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I mean, I thought it was gonna be a trick question.
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Nobody had ever played this fucking thing before.
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I haven't played it.
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This is the first time I've seen it.
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It's a legit forgotten classic in the sense that it was like a stepping stone to better things.
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Yeah.
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And you know, obviously, all the things I just mentioned was copied ad nauseum.
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Um, one of the things I loved the the most about Renegra Gate's story is that when it got Ported to the West and they added the kidnapped girlfriend, it gave you somebody to rescue, which kind of became a thing for the longest time.
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And when 1987 rolled around and the first screen of Double Dragon shows your girlfriend getting punched directly in the stomach by the main bad guy.
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You knew Mr.
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K, quote unquote, was getting the last bit of spite out of his system.
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It's you know what I mean?
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It's just like take that, and then like he knocked you through the first fucking thing he made.
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I'm gonna beat up my ex-girlfriend.
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It's misogyny, but it was the late 80s.
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And 67 years ago, women got the right development.
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So in theory, it's still relatively fresh.
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Really, it's it was one of those things where when it finally got ported to Nintendo, they ended up switching everything around a little bit.
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So you fought your own brother because fuck him too.
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I have no idea if we're gonna fight everybody.
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You know what I mean?
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Well, I don't know if this is for what you said at Thanksgiving last year.
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Right, yeah, that there's a part of me where I'm like, if you're gonna motherfuck your life and just add things you hate, why not add your shitty asshole brother too?
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You know what I mean?
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I don't see why not.
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I would fucking do it too if I was angry like that.
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For all I know, like in my mind's eye, he was an only child.
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Yeah, just him dramatically punching his own reflection in the mirror while listening to Dan would spiral for like a thousand times.
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But if he did have a brother, makes total sense.
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Double Dragon was originally conceived as the successor to Renegade, uh, taking the street brawling formula, expanding it to a two-player co-op, gave you the ability to pick up weapons and accidentally overpowered and basically accidentally gave you an overpowered bionic elbow.
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That was kind of like a Dusty Roads kind of deal.
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You could spam the hell out of it and beat the whole game as long as you kept feeding it quarters.
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Did any of you guys ever play the original Double Dragon for the arcade and not the Nintendo?
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Uh yeah, I remember playing it in the arcade and kind of being because I was still pretty young.
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I remember being kind of confused about like home and why is it I I feel like I played it at one of the various, like, you know, Golfland, Scandia, you know, your mini golf arcade places.
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And then back in the days where we would rent video games, not from Gamefly, but from the local, the local brick and mortar establishment.
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Um, we rented it for NES.
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Um, but I feel like what really got me into it was the Double Dragon cartoon series that came late.
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Really?
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You were fancy.
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That one only went, I think, one season.
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I remember that.
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Oh no, it was it was it was better than the movie, though.
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That's and that's a very low bar to hop over.
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Yeah.
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I remember that cartoon show.
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You I had the action figures for it.
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Like they would they had to add some like extra element to it.
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We're like, you're not just walking around beating people up.
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Like they could transform into these dragons, but it wasn't a cool dragon.
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All that happened when they transformed is they had these like dragon Halloween masks that would go on.
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I remember that.
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So I remember I had these action figures of them where it was like, now to transform, and you just put this stupid dragon mask on their heads.
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You know, it's like a knockoff figure, and on the back it said it turns into the grand dragon, and you're like, oh.
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Oh yeah.
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That was the the wasn't that the villain was the grand dragon, and he had like yeah.
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It was and when he was just in a Leotard onesie.
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I thought the villain was a guy all in black called the Shadow Master or something like that.
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Oh, maybe it was the Shadow Master.
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Yeah, was it Shadow Master?
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Okay, the Grandmaster.
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I don't remember he was in a onesie, and I'm like, that's it?
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That's how you came up with was a onesie and the time balls actually have an episode about where we actually like laze Double Dragon 2 for like an hour because it's me.
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That was like the measuring stick that if I brought anybody home to play my Nintendo, if I liked you, we were playing Double Dragon 2.
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And if I didn't, you were stuck playing Duck Hunt with me.
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I'm sorry.
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Um quick sidebar.
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What came out first?
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Double Dragon or River City Ransom?
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Double Dragon was way before Ransom.
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Okay.
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But who was trying to copy Double Dragon with River City Ransom?
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Well, you know what's crazy?
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So uh Kishimoto, this isn't this is just an aside, but Kishimoto made a game called like Super Volleyball or something like that.
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And the such a fun game.
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The characters are all River City Ransom, but he had nothing to do with it.
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Which only tells me like somebody from River City Ransom pissed him off, and he's just like, I'm just gonna spike balls at your face.
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Did you see what I fucking did to Hero Shido?
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Like, you know what I mean?
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Just like that kind of thing.
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And I don't, it's I don't I haven't looked it up, I'd have to, but I have a feeling River City Ransom came before the volleyball game, and he's just like Yeah, no, no, no.
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So here's actually the thing is Renegade was the first in the Cunio or River City series.
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Ah, so they made it into a series.
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So yeah, and and so that's that's River City Ransom, that's Crash in the Boys Street Challenge, that's even I think Nintendo World Cup, where it was like gang member soccer.
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All of those are part of the same, the same series, um, including one of my favorite games of all time, which is Super Dodgeball.
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Super Dodgeball was one of the ones that he yeah.
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Super dodgeball.
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I think Super Dodgeball was his.
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I think I said volleyball.
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I can't remember.
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I didn't own a Nintendo or Super Nintendo, so I don't remember Super Ball.
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Well, there was there was both.
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So there was there was there was Super Spike Volleyball, but then there was also in the arcade super dodgeball.
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And I saw that everywhere.
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I would play the crap out of Super Dodgeball.
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No way, and it was so weird that that they're all in the same thing, and they all have the same characters because the main character in Renegade, Kunio, was variously over time renamed like Alex or um like Crash Something, like it's the main character, the main gang member of like for Crash and the Boys Street Challenge, which was another port to the west of a River City ransom game.
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Um so yeah, it's just kind of bizarre that they're all that they're all connected.
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I don't know how many games there are total though.
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I kind of miss that though, where like if a game company introduced a game, he they would just start putting like Easter eggs and stuff like that in it.
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So they were all in the same vein.
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I that I mean to me that was always cool.
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Crash and the boys was one of the River City ransom games.
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It sounds like Dirty Mike and the Boys.
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So wait, that's where from Scott Pilgrim, they go the first band they go up against is Crash and the Boys.
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Yeah, isn't that crazy?
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Because everything's gonna be.
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But Crash and the Boys is amateur hour compared to the deep cuts that's a deep cut crash in the boys.
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Right?
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Isn't that crazy?
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What a deep wow.
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You learn something new every day.
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Exactly.
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You should download the show.
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Um starting from here on end, though.
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Um John and I were talking about it the other day at night, but uh so they they ported Dragon, Double Dragon to everything.
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It had an Atari 2600 version, obviously the Nintendo game and all the sequels.
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Um they even had a Tiger Electronics handheld, which I owned.
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We mentioned it earlier, a terrible movie with Alyssa Milano and what the dude from Party of 5 as like the main characters in it, complete garbage.
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Don't forget the T1000.
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He was the bad guy.
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Oh god, that's right.
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As the main blondes.
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They shaved Alyssa Milano's head for this.
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Alyssa Milano.
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They shaved Alyssa Milano's head.
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Basically, they gave her a pixie cut and dyed it blonde.
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Eh, that's nothing.
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They bleached Blonde the T1000.
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That's the real tragedy.
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To be fair, I have a feeling he asked for that.
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Robert Patrick strikes me as the kind of guy who's just like, well, if I'm gonna be in this piece of shit, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna kind of give it my own spin.
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Fucking dive my hair.
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So did you know he's the brother of Richard Patrick from Filter?
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From Filter?
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The band Filter Patrick.
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Do you want to take my picture guy?
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Yeah.
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Heyman nice shot.
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Jesus Christ.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, I'm just I'm just here to destroy your episode.
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No, he's he's uh he's definitely more popular than all of Filter.
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Um that he doesn't look anything like himself.
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He looks more like he looks more like vanilla ice with uh than he does Robert Patrick.
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What the hell?
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And I think he has combat boots on for some reason.
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Um like what and army as well?
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Why?
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Well he wore he wore one of each because they could like again, Robert Patrick has do whatever he wants.
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Well, if they don't do what he wants, he'll stab them with his sword arms, you know.
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Well, exactly, exactly.
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That's actually who the stunt double for Alyssa Mulato was.
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He just changed it to Alyssa Mulato.
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It's hard, it's hard acting with the T1000.
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Yeah, if they didn't do what he said, he'd chase after their car and jump into their back to the window.
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Um did you guys ever do you guys ever play the uh the fan-made game of Bobo's Big Adventure?
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Absolutely.
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So that was part of uh the whole there was a while there where Newgrounds just fucking flooded the internet with flash games, and it was one of the big ones at the time.
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That shit was everywhere.
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I actually I have a copy of it saved in my uh in my Google Drive just in case there's ever a moment.
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Like I I download all the fan games I find that are like really good and like just like you can tell people put a lot of work into them.
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Oh, yeah.
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For the inevitable period where their links get t taken down, there's a lawsuit, there's whatever the hell, you know.
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Um, so I have a I have a copy of it in there, and it's fun to revisit it every now and again.
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It was really well done for the time.
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It was incredible.
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Yeah.
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So, but in any case, so obviously his contributions to Double Dragon, we're not gonna take a ton of time.
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There's whole documentaries on YouTube made about it.
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Um he did the first, the second, the third, the super double dragon, and then he unfortunately did the fourth one back in like 2017, where all he did was he took Double Dragon 2 and then just remade it and then charged money for it.
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It was fucking awful.
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Yeah, but I don't know if that could be any worse than night about the uh he was the Double Dragon III is responsible for microtransactions.
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Sort of.
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Yeah, sort of.
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I mean, it's it's it's the the first idea of a microtransaction that I could think of, but four could not be worse than three, could it?
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Four is one of those games where if you bought it in 2017, you would think to yourself, well, surely it's updated everything.
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Graphics, response time, everything.
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The answer is no.
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What he what he ended up doing was he took Double Dragon 2, not the arcade version, which would have looked great on a big screen, but the Nintendo version of it.
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So you basically just remade these tiny little sprites in an era with fucking Grand Theft Auto 3 and 4.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like it was bad.
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Yeah.
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They they so somebody, I can't remember when it came out, but Double Dragon Neon ended up being that like real spiritual successor, you know, in homage to everything.
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And it was fantastic.
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You would think that the guy who made Double Dragon understood Double Dragon, but by then I think he was just photing it in.
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I mean, when I played, when I played Double Dragon III the other night, it it was awful because at least with Double Dragon 2, you could what's what's the word I'm looking for?
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Like you had a chance to back off, do a jump kick, do something, clear some space.
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Double Dragon III, everybody's reach is longer than yours.
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They time it for the immediate, like as soon as you stand up, they're already swinging at you, and you're just you're a human ping pong ball.
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Even with the ability to at the beginning of every level, pump a bunch of quarters in, put as many quarters in as possible, because it was using the the arcade emulator.
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Sure.
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Go into that little shop, buy four extra lives, buy a weapon, buy a power-up, extra energy, all of the stuff.
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And that's why I say that there were microtransactions because you spent real quarters on each of those.
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Yeah, and I was watching you do it, and you could spam it.
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You could just keep putting in quarters and keep buying stuff, and I was like, that's a microtransaction, baby.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Put a pin in that because when we get to WrestleFest, he actually makes it into a way we're gonna go.
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Yeah, like I remember.
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Oh, I know what you're getting at.
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Put it up for now.
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Um but it it seriously, like I won, you know, whatever it is, two dollars worth of quarters would get me through just one level last night.
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The bosses were just destroyed, like it was ridiculous.
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But I thought I'm like, oh, it's interesting they have different moves.
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You have like a running headbutt, you have different grapples from the first two double dragons, you have the ability to stomp on people.
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Um, you know, they changed the movesets and everything.
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And I think it's one of those interesting things where people complained a little bit, they're like, oh yeah, Double Dragon 2 was too much like Double Dragon 1.
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But then they said, okay, cool, we'll take that feedback.
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And then they made whatever the hell Double Dragon III was.
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It is a complete, well, not a complete department.
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It's still a walk and fight, but it you look at the it's it's obviously a different game.
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It's so choppy.
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Did you see how choppy it was?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And that's from the emulator, which is actually has the ability to make it go smoother.
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And it's very choppy.
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It looks like a series of flashcards.
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Yeah, it it does.
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Yeah, it was, it was, it was very it was bad.
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So with without Double Dragon, though, we probably don't get WWF Superstars, which is the first WWF RK game and one of the first games that really captured basically the insanity of wrestling.
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Um, before that, I don't know if you guys have ever played it, but they released a mostly forgotten wrestling game called Exciting Hour of the Pro Wrestling Network.
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I I I miss Japanese English titles like that, to be fucking frank with you.
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You might have seen it before.
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If you guys know the Fire Pro series, it it's a precursor to what you would look at for graphic-wise for that, where wrestlers were just barely within kissing distance of copyright law.
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And they get names like of like they have names like Coco Savage and Golden Hulk.
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Um the the best part though was Insane Warrior.
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They misspelled it in like traditional like Japanese style, and it became like I can't remember off top of it, but it became something like like in like irritating warrior or something, like something completely like it's uh it's it's Ultimo Dragon all over again.
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Right?
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It's incredible.
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I love it.
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And it's the game did well enough back then, but when 1989 rolled around, they ditched the fake Hulk Hogan and they got the real one because they got the uh the immortal one himself, because he actually got the license.
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What superstars did was they took what they had learned from Double Dragon and put it inside a ring, and with Kishimoto directing, he basically took the double dragon grappling system, the tag team stuff, signature moves, and he just rebuilt it from on top of it.
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Uh which is why if you've ever played the game again, and I suggest you do.
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It is it is an interesting slice from the pro wrestling era.
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All the punches, all the kicks will look immediately familiar, especially if you're John, where you just played all the double dragon games.
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They're straight up that game.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um yeah, just completely.
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And that's what you know that's cool, is that that's why you see all these mods where people take out the double dragon characters and they put in the ultimate warrior and Hulk Hogan because it's all the same mechanics and they fit perfectly in a double dragon modded game, you know?
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Exactly, right?
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Isn't that insane?
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Like, because we could we you know, Fort Mindows, we we've seen these games, these modded games, a million times.
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We will share each of the videos and stuff.
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Hey, check it out, they put fucking, you know, Macho Dragon and Double Dragon 2 and shit.
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And then you look at it later, you're like, oh wait, what the fuck?
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Of course they did that.
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This is the literal game.
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All they did to make Andre the Giant was take one of the heavies from Double Dragon 2 and just made him bigger and then just slapped on the Leotard.
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But you don't see it as a kid.
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You never would notice that as a kid.
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But uh now you look at it and you're like, oh yeah, no fuck, no fucking shit.
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Like, of course they did that.
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Um, the the best thing about superstars though was the roster.
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Because looking back, it looks like somebody just pulled names out of Mr.
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Fuji's bowler hat.
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So if you if you just take a look, there's only what six on the screen?
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If you because you can't select Andre and uh Teddy Beyasi, the mega bucks at the time.
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So there's Macha Man, Hulk Hogan, and Ultimate Tonk.
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There's Honky Tonk, isn't there?
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Those are the the first three are obvious, right?
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Right.
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The next, and you're not even yet, you're fucking-I played honky tonk religiously.
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Rounding out honky tongue is the big boss man and motherfucking hacksaw Jim Duggan.
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I don't know a single kid on the playground that went, I can't wait to put Hoarders in to play Hacksaw.
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Never happens.
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But he's in the freaking game.
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Well, before we get into memories of superstars, there were supposed to be eight characters selectable, and it was going to be Rick Rude and Brutus Beefcake.
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But because the team was split in half, trying to make this one and another game that didn't really go anywhere, they didn't have enough time to put the other two in.
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But that would have been an incredible roster.
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What year did this come out?
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This came out in 1989.
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I mean, you could have chosen you could have put the Texas Tornado in there.
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Right?
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Right?
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You could have put Jake the Snake, obviously, is the obvious big one they needed, which they did put in WrestleFest, but Jake the Snake needed to be in there.
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Definitely.
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Over Brutus the barber beef cake.
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Hell yes.
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Jake the Snake Roberts was the number two guy, number two baby face in the company.
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Honestly, looking back on it, how does Hogan not get Brutus in more games?
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Like they were best friends, and like every chance Brutus had, because he was around for all of these games, did not get into one until the Sony era, if if if anything.
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Fucking Brutus.
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I know, I mean, none of us would ever play as him, but still, it is kind of like that.
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Well, Jake should have been in a lot of stuff, to be honest with you.
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Jake was amazing.
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It's it is weird to me that it's limited to just six characters.
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I mean, I know, you know, late 80s, limited memory, limited, you know, you had to do a lot.
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But I mean, it's also an arcade title.
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They had a lot more to play with, you know, you can add to it to increase storage, you could put different chipsets in.
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So it when when I started playing it, I'm like, why is there only six people?
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Especially because there were cutscenes referencing other wrestlers, too.
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Like well, like you said, you could be the the the mega bucks, but also there was like a cutscene with Virgil in it.
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Oh my god, we would have to play Virgil.
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It's you would think he would be in there.
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When they uh when they re-released the game later on when they resold Russell, Russell Fest and uh and Superstars uh as like a standalone arcade unit, he lost the license to have these guys.
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So if you were buying that game, there's even fewer people in it.
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And I feel like I have a Mandela effect about I thought Macho was in Superstars.
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Was he not?
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No, no, Macho, yeah.
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The main three people played was Togan, Macho, and the Ultimate Warrior.
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The shitty thing was Macho was not in Russell Fest.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah.
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Isn't that nuts?
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Well, he would have been the Macho King by that point, right?
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Right.
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Right.
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And it would have looked incredible having him run down the aisle.
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I it's one of the one thing I will say about Russell Fest, though, it is it did scratch the itch as a kid.
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And on top of that, it was one of those games where you finally got to see finishers that you recognized on screen.
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Like, I don't know if you guys remember playing it, but the million dollar dream looked fantastic.
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Like it looked like an actual sleeper hole.
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Like it looked, it looked amazing.
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Yeah, the the um animation for the gorilla press from the Ultimate Warrior will always stuck in my head forever.
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You know, like that, like switch up, you know.
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Fantastic game, probably not worth porting.
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Nobody ever really did made did the uh did the thing.
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However, 1991 is when we finally get to WrestleFest, perhaps the most beloved pro wrestling arcade game ever made.
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Yeah, easily one of my favorite arcade games, probably top three arcade games of all time.
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And one of the reasons why I even decided to pitch this episode.
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So when I read Kishimoto died, and I'm like, that name is really familiar.
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And then they were going through the list of his games.
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I'm like, the motherfucker made WrestleFest?
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You know what I mean?
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Like, how is it not like mourned by every fucking wrestling nerd on the planet?
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And it just he was just one of those guys, everybody just kind of forgets one double dragon, obviously.
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But these games, nobody does the arcades anymore.
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These games are now like long out of fashion.
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So it's it is kind of sad.
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So part of the reason why I wanted to do this episode was hey, let's let's let's uh go back and pay homage to some of the guys as a nerd podcast about video games and movies and shit.
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Might as well drag this guy out there.
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But it also it also does make me a little sad that there's really there's not arcade games like this anymore.
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Like I I understand people move with the trends, and you know, so right now they're making fighting games, they're making rhythm games, they're making racing games, and a whole buttload of ticket, you know, games.
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I don't think I've seen any sort of new beat-em-ups or anything come across an arcade in I mean, a decade.
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I don't remember the last time I saw an arcade.
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That's true, too.
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Here's the thing you do see them now, but you know, because I take my kids all the time, but they replaced traditional arcade games with prize games, and every single one costs like a dollar to play.
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Like it's it's just a different kind of scam.
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Before, you know, we you'd have to earn tickets, and we'd joke around about how like something would cost like 3,000 tickets, which is really like you know, 80 bucks.
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Now they just skip the middleman.
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They're like, if you want to win this toy or this doll, a dollar every single time you push the button.
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It sucks.
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It sucks.
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At least now we don't have to talk to the carnies directly.
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I bet you didn't know.
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That was kind of the fun part.
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Round one in in Concord and San Francisco.
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If you win something, you basically win the idea of something for some of the bigger prizes where you actually use the claw machine to collect basically a uh a ball that says you win, and then you have to go hunt one down.
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And I will say this about Carneys, they have not changed in 45 fucking years.
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They're still always too busy and too bored to help you.
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And they they will look at you, they will look at your kids, they will look back at you, and they will shake their head as if you were bothering them.
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I uh I went to round one with a girlfriend of mine at the time, and she went right up to this machine and was just like pumping dollars into it, and I'm like, Well, or what are the card or whatever, you know, you put it all in the card.
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And I'm like, why this machine?
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.960
She goes, they don't realize yet that this machine is way broken.
00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:31.680
Because if she's like, if you get it up to here, you get 85 tickets regardless.
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.559
But if you get it right on this thing, you know, you get a thousand.
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.920
And she was spamming this machine like crazy.
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:43.920
And by the end of the time we were there, she went to the carney booth for lack of a better term.
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.079
Like I was just referring to these two shirts.
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:51.200
She got two shirts and like she got two shirts and uh something else, like a box of things.
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.200
Who would buy clothing from round one?
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.720
She didn't buy it, she paid like five dollars for it.
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.119
Who would win clothing from round one?
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:01.519
What do you want her to buy?
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:05.279
Those little jumping frogs, a Chinese finger trap, or an employee.
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:07.759
She got like a halo shirt, you know?
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:09.200
So I don't know.
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:10.160
I've never been there.
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.519
There's one one freeway exit away from me, and I haven't been there too.
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:14.400
You shouldn't go.
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:15.119
You'd hate it.
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:16.319
Dude, you could get it.
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:20.480
You can at the time, you could get a PlayStation 4 if you had enough tickets there.
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:24.000
You would wander around and complain as to where the Pac-Man machine is.
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:24.400
I know you.
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:29.039
You wonder why I don't want to go to round one and why I will not go to a Dave and Buster's again?
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:32.799
Because I went with my heart, my heart was broken.
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:34.319
My heart was broken.
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.039
One is enough for us to handle at a time, you know?
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:43.279
Dom, it was Dom, Mike, and me, and we spent money on the unlimited car.
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:44.319
Yes, that's right.
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.200
And we're all sharing it back and forth, back and forth.
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.960
And we're hitting these ticket games left and right, doing this and that.
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:53.279
We're like, what, two hours in?
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:53.440
Yeah.
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:55.759
And I'm like, hey man, what's our ticket balance?
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.759
And he's like, Yeah, I didn't have the heart to tell you guys because you were both so excited.
00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:05.039
When you buy the unlimited game bash, you can't actually accrue tickets.
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:08.480
And my heart just sunk.
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:13.759
I'm like, what the f that's why I didn't tell you guys because I saw that heartbreak coming.
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:19.119
There was such kind of quote-unquote pal would I be if I made you sad before we played.
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:21.279
Aren't you glad you're not one of Mike's kids now?
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:21.920
Right?
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:22.880
Yeah, exactly.
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:23.839
I will say this.
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:24.720
I will say this.
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.200
With my oldest back when she was Chuck E.
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:31.200
G's age, she found a broken ticket machine, basically.
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:40.000
So uh it was one of those ones where you throw, you put your uh you slide your cart, a token would come out, you throw the token in the in the arcade machine, and it would roll.
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:45.759
And if it would hit like a certain like um section of the uh of this like conveyor belt, you would win whatever tickets.
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.400
Well, somebody before us jammed it.
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:53.680
So when she put her coin in, it it didn't stop counting tickets.
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:57.599
So like it was unlimited, and I had a choice as a dad.
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:03.680
Do I tell my daughter we need to go talk to somebody because we need to be honest and the machine is broken?
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:09.680
Or do I do what I would do as a guy and be like, let's wait until it's out of tickets?
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:11.359
Fuck no, you don't go and tell them.
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.039
You get all the tickets you want, you get a Halo shirt and a PlayStation 4.
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:16.160
You're fucking right.
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:21.599
I waited like 30 minutes until it got her like 6,000 tickets.
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:29.759
And then I pulled the tickets out, shoved them all into as many pockets as I had on her, and I said, He's like shoving him down her shirt and shit.
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.000
I'm like, keep all this, they're not gonna search you.
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:38.960
And then I raised my I raised my hand, I went, Hey, um, guy, I think it's broken.
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.759
And then they walked up, stopped the machine.
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.000
But because it's me, I turned, I know no bullshit.
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:45.119
I turned the to the attendant.
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:46.640
I go, uh, you know what?
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.440
Um, my daughter would be really sad if she didn't win anything.
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:51.200
Do you mind if you give her some?
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:53.839
And he just gave her like another thousand.
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:58.240
So like she was coming home with like stuffed animals and shit.
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.759
And I'm like, this should be a lesson that I'm never gonna teach you.
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:09.759
But if you have the advantage over a fucking corporation, I don't care what it is, if you get an advantage over a business, you take that advantage.
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.079
And we just kind of just throw home, you know.
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:17.839
You know, I don't remember how many tickets she got, but we're we're talking like like they lost money on a kid that day.
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.319
Remember what Clooney said in Oceans 11.
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:27.920
It's always you against the house, and you lose and you lose until that one time when you've got the hand and you gotta bet big, and then you take the house.
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:28.400
Exactly.
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.599
That somehow makes sense to your story, maybe not at all.
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.880
No, my daughter took the house.
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.759
The entire house of mouse went down.
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.559
Um yeah, it was it was fantastic.
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:45.920
Uh, but in any case, uh WrestleFest took superstars and they gave it to the Street Fighter 2 treatment.
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:50.640
Bigger sprites, bigger animation, more wrestlers, more voices, which by the way, the voices all suck.
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:52.000
I don't know if you guys remember that.
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.960
We sneak on danger and dying on death.
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:57.440
Right?
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.920
And that was that was fucking Hogan saying that.
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:03.759
It's a programmer, you know.
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:04.480
Oh god.
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:08.000
Can you imagine being the guy that had to do the voices?
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:09.200
Fucking incredible.
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:13.440
Anyway, four players simultaneous is what the reason why guys like me and Mr.
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:17.680
Boardman and and John remember it because that was the friend game.
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:18.640
Everybody went.
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:22.000
Uh, the roster jump from the paltry six to ten.
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:29.599
So you pad your Hogan, your warrior, Macho Man doesn't make the cut, but you get Jake the Snake, Big Boss Met again, Sergeant Slaughter, Earthquake, Mr.
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:32.400
Perfect, Ted DiBiassi, and Demolition, Smash and Crush.
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:41.920
Um, Hawk and Animal, Legion of Doom were also in there, but they basically did a weird I understand it now, but as a kid, it was weird that they didn't weren't in the game.
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:46.160
But Technos, the actual publisher, basically made sure you couldn't touch them.
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:54.480
So you would pump quarter after quarter after quarter to beat them, and you had to earn the right to fight them, but you could never unlock them, which obviously nowadays with re-emulation.
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.640
I that's a personal grievance I have against uh whatever his name is for this game.
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.559
Kishimoto, uh Kishimoto, and I'll put this on his grave if I ever am there.
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.440
Because uh, the bad guys were demolition.
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.920
They should have been the main people you fight.
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.639
Then you can play as the Legion of Doom who were over.
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:14.159
That's called the role the warrior pop for a reason.
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.519
That's who you should everyone would have played as the Legion of Doom, you know?
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.880
And the shitty thing was you only got two of demolition.
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:22.639
They could have programmed the third one.
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:24.320
Some of his information's in the game.
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:28.400
I mean, it's just a it's just a redrawing of a sprite completely through him out.
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.039
So, like it's a what a it's a it's a bummer all around.
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:32.880
However, we ignored all that as kids.
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:40.960
What I what I did like, and I I saw John play it, but you got to create your tag team, you worked away up, and you know to fight Legion of Doom for the tag team.
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:48.159
But it was one of those things where the graphics of it, they didn't just have the same background, right?
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.039
Everything was different.
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:57.280
There was a cage match, there was a Saturday Night Main event, there was this thing there, this and they did they uh varied it to the point where I always felt fresh.
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:05.440
And even playing it now, and I I bust that thing open on my my machine maybe twice a month now, it still gets me.
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:06.880
It still gets me.
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.800
Um in uh yeah, four people could play.
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:22.719
Um, but the entire thing was basically playing fast and loose with their actual royal royal rumble rules because you can eliminate somebody by throwing them out of the ring, but then also pinning them and making them submit.
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:23.840
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:36.000
And I don't know if it was if you were the same boardman, but for me, there was a part of me that loved wrestling where I'm like, this doesn't make sense, and the other part of me that was just like, oh, like four of us can just hop on top of like you know, the earthquake.
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.519
And then the computer would interrupt the pin all the time, and you're like, why?
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.159
What this is to your advantage if we get him out.
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:50.320
It's amazing because Vince McMahon spate years explaining to me and you how both feet had to touch the floor, and Kishimoto's like, fuck that.
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:53.039
We're just gonna dogpile and some schmuck after a deep.
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:56.079
Yeah, exactly.
00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:12.079
Um it it did blow my mind, like I didn't understand in the tag team setups, though, that when you're pinning somebody and that you automatically take control of the other member of the tag team to go stop the computer from breaking up the counter kicking you off.
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:21.760
And so it's sitting there like I'm watching the pin, and in the corner it's like flashing, like, get up, get up, because I'm getting my ass kicked off screen, not understanding what's going on.
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:30.320
But then it seems like they just put like a general, like, if somebody's getting pinned to stop them, like you said, like even in the Royal Rumble, why interrupt a pin?
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:31.599
It makes no sense, right?
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.239
Wrestling logic is exactly that.
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:36.559
It's not supposed to make sense.
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.840
There was uh one of the guys I like watching is uh what's his name?
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:45.519
He's like a he he's like basically he's got the huge handlebar mustache, he's like the veteran Jack something or other.
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:52.880
But he would constantly make fun uh because uh he's an independent wrestler, but he constantly makes fun of the difference between indie wrestling and professional wrestling.
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:56.079
And one of my favorite it's it's it's Jack, it's Jack Vaughn.
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:57.199
Jack Vaughn.
00:36:57.679 --> 00:36:58.159
Yeah, thank you.
00:36:58.239 --> 00:36:59.679
Yeah, yeah, Jack, Jack Vaughn.
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:04.079
He would once uh he would constantly slap his thigh because all indie guys do it.
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:09.760
So, like, whatever move he would do, even if it had nothing to do with thigh slapping, he would just tell somebody to slap his thigh for him.
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:16.880
However, case, one of my favorite bits was he's doing a sunset flip and he's got the guy down, the guy kicks out, he's like, that's pro wrestling.
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.119
Indie wrestling is they're doing a sunset flip.
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:24.239
The guy pushes off the dude, breaking up his own pin for no reason, and they go, Hey, why are you doing this?
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.039
Like, well, because I have a move I want to do, so I had to push him away.
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:27.760
Oh, that makes sense.
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:29.679
And they both look at the camera and go, No, it doesn't.
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.519
That's sort of this game.
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:35.119
It's like, well, why are we not just letting somebody get eliminated?
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:36.320
That that doesn't make any sense.
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:37.440
He goes, Yeah, it does.
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.440
And then they just everybody moves on.
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:40.960
What was the Homer?
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:42.400
It smells like urine in there.
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:42.960
No, it doesn't.
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:44.800
No, it doesn't, yeah, exactly.
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:52.159
Um, one uh continuity error that's always bugged me as a kid that I just can never get out of my head was that uh they would do this shot.
00:37:52.239 --> 00:38:02.960
They would do like you'd see a shot of your wrestler before they come into the ring, and it would be like a close-up, but it'd be a really good artist, you know, art created, like really close to what they look like in real life.
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:09.119
Ultimate Warriors was uh was taking a picture of him when he was doing his symbol on the side of his cheek.
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:09.679
Oh, right.
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:14.480
Yeah, a picture of him about to come to the ring, but then he came to the ring with a full paint on.
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:21.039
And even as a kid, I would go, wait a minute, he just I just saw him with the cheek paint, and now he here he is with the full makeup on.
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:22.639
And that bothered me.
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:27.440
I'm like, wait a minute, something tells me this whole thing is fake.
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:31.039
Morbin, just remember this.
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:32.000
A wizard did it.
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:41.440
That's what it's I do have to say, one of the most frustrating things about the game was that allegedly there is time in between your match, right?
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:41.760
Oh, yeah.
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:42.159
Wrestle.
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:42.719
Kinda.
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.599
And then you wrestle at the next promotion.
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:46.639
Oh, I know what you're gonna say.
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:49.039
And you wrestle at the next promotion, right?
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:54.639
So why does my health not fill back up going into the next match?
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:56.239
I should be well rested.
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:57.119
I don't care.
00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:59.199
Gong, gong, gong, and it's edited.
00:38:59.440 --> 00:38:59.760
Edited.
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.559
It's because of microtransaction.
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:03.440
I know.
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:04.000
Microsoft.
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:05.280
Which we hadn't got to yet.
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:14.159
About you're if you're when you're running low on health and they don't refill your health between stages because they want you to put another quarter in and refill your health, baby.
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.320
I will have to play it again.
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.519
I don't know if your emulator is is doing it wrong or not.
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.239
I remember you starting with health every single match.
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.400
However, I don't know about yours.
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:29.440
No, I just didn't press the uh I didn't realize that was a function of it.
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:37.280
It depends on the region you're using, because a lot of the uh like especially with MAME multi-arcade machine emulator, it'll give you the reason region to choose.
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:42.320
So, like, depending on use if you use the US region or the UK region or Asia region, you know.
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:47.119
So maybe, maybe in Japan it was like they they were like, fuck it, we're on hard mode, bitches.
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:50.800
Like you get you only get the health we give you at the beginning of the the guard.
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.599
We're setting it, we're setting the precedent now.
00:39:55.280 --> 00:40:00.239
Um Russell Fest, first one to do double team moves, first one to let you fight outside the ring.
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.880
Um, not first one, but fighting outside the ring became a thing.
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:05.519
They gave you weapons, big colorful sprites.
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:12.400
Uh motherfucking Mike McGurk, the female ring announcer who never shows up anywhere else again, is in this game.
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:14.000
And then Mean Gene Okerland, too.
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:18.079
Am I am I off by saying she's kind of attractive in this game?
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:18.559
She was.
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:20.079
We kind of got her down pretty good.
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:20.559
Cute.
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:22.320
But like in this game.
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:24.239
I mean, her sprite is pretty attractive.
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:25.679
Well, you know what's crazy?
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:29.119
I didn't I forgot she was a real person for years.
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:33.199
I'm just like, oh okay, they used her instead of like mean Jean or somebody like that.
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:34.480
No, she actually did that.
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:35.760
It just went right over my head.
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:36.239
I forgot.
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.519
She was on her cup of coffee in WF was not very long.
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:41.199
But she was there for the game.
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:51.599
I feel like that sh they did, I think uh they added it took a little extra attention to make her sprite pretty, you know, pretty good looking for a for a sprite, you know, for a video game.
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:57.840
Yeah, but you're the you're mad that Bulrier had only one thing on his cheek and then came back with full face paint.
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.800
So you're gonna notice stuff that I'm not gonna notice.
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:02.559
But but it's all good.
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:03.280
I understand.
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:04.800
Yeah, exactly.
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:12.719
Both boobs, hey, underscore boobs where one hurler bead each for those nips, brother.
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:15.920
Um wrestle fest.
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.039
Oh, before we move on, the the quarter, the microtransaction.
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.960
Um I I meet I forgot to mention earlier that it didn't start in WrestleFest.
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:24.639
You could do it in superstars as well.
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:26.480
You can put in a quarter and get your health phones.
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:33.679
It was Akichimoto kind of sort of started in superstars and then really ramped it up for WrestleFest.
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:39.599
Like he made sure that the game made basically the game made you, especially with the rumble, have to put quarters in.
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:47.440
The funny thing about the rumble is you could be low health, throw in another like quarter of 50 cents of refill your health, and someone could just still throw you out of the ring, which is fucking amazing.
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:51.920
And then you lose your money anyway, which is why I'm like, they were pretty slick.
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.039
They were honestly pretty slick.
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.199
Portman being Bortman, at that point, it's like, I'm leaving this game, I'm never playing it again.
00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:58.800
I would walk out of the arcade.
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:00.239
See you tomorrow.
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:02.480
I mean, that happened last night.
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.760
I jumped in and then all of a sudden, just I'm out.
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.960
Mike can tell you many times in our life, I just went, fuck it, I'm out.
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:10.079
But I'm done.
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:10.800
I'm done with the game.
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:13.920
Um, WrestleFest never got a home port, never got a true sequel.
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.159
Uh, multiple attempts to recreate the idea.
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:19.920
Youkes, who did the SmackDown series, did a Royal Rumble game based off it.
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:24.880
Way more wrestlers, zero charm, and for some reason, still the PlayStation 1 framerate.
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:26.800
If you ever tried it, it's not good.
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:28.239
It's not bad, but it's not a good game.
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:33.840
You're also forgetting the awful line of acclaim wrestling games for Super Nintendo and Genesis.
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:42.159
They were trying to be WrestleFest, but but they did have one that was just called Royal Rumble, and it was not good too.
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:44.400
Why I loved Royal Rumble.
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.199
Royal Rumble is fine for a button masher.
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:49.920
Royal Rumble, though, was okay overall.
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.519
Like I preferred it when it became raw because then they kind of they gave you more to it.
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:54.880
But it was at the end of the PlayStation.
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:58.480
Uh no, no, when it was a uh uh still in the Genesis in the Super Nintendo.
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:00.239
Oh, I didn't realize that was on Johnny.
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:08.400
We could probably do a whole other episode about Acclaims wrestling games because they've they did WrestleMania for arcade and they did In Your House for PlayStation 1.
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:09.199
Acclaim.
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.840
So John and I have a uh developer roulette.
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:16.159
If one of these days a claim is gonna be one of the ones we hit, and there's gonna be so much shit to say.
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:17.840
Oh man, Bart's Nightmare.
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:24.000
If you guys get a claim, I would gladly review Bart's Nightmare for Well, the next time we do it, man, we'll give you a call.
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:24.239
Yeah.
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:32.079
I don't know if you know there was a cell phone version for some stupid reason that was WrestleFest like 2010 or whatever the fuck they call it.
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.079
And it was all the buttons were on the phone.
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.480
It was virtual buttons, but literal depression.
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:37.440
It was terrible.
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:42.960
And like all the the the the sprites were off, like they didn't do the pixelated stuff.
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:44.719
It was like flash game style.
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:45.199
Yeah.
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.280
Basically, yeah, it was garbage.
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:51.760
But the most exciting Royal Rumble game was the pinball game, which does not exist anymore.
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.400
I mean, that thing's gotta be like twenty grand now at this stage.
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:59.840
That was the only real like Royal Rumble named thing that was probably in the WWE warehouse somewhere, you know.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.559
Honestly, how this didn't become more popular, I don't know.
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.719
Um, we kind of already said it, but that was gonna touch base on the whole microtrans transaction thing.
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:08.400
You guys had already hit the nail on the head.
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:13.519
Sneaky, it got guys like like Bortman and I to spend so much money.
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:15.519
So much of our parents' money.
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:32.639
Um, I will say this for at least for my thoughts on Russell Vest, the fact that it was still based somewhat on a double dragon um engine be meant that all how as slow as the punches were, as slow as the moves were, because it was based off the slowness of that made sense because all of these guys were giant dudes.
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:35.519
Like the sprites were huge and detailed, so you felt heavy.
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:48.320
If you guys haven't played Retro Mania, which is in theory the actual like spiritual sequel to this game, Retro Mania looks great, pixelated, got a bunch of guys on them because they can't afford they have like demolitionists and the Road Warriors, but they can't get a lot of guys.
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:49.199
It's a lot of indie guys.
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:57.039
Well, like Demolition's kind of cooler than the Road Warriors now, because it's like you never because they took them till this last year to get into the Hall of Fame.
00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:57.519
Exactly.
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.199
It's just ludicrous, you know?
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.400
And they uh if you've never played it, it's it's available everywhere.
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.639
It's it's uh an indie developer, but it it's it's it's it's fine, but it moves super fast.
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:09.599
Like it's like go, it's like everything is crazy, crazy quick.
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:15.360
It kind of reminds you like the charm that kind of got left behind with WrestleFest, because you're never gonna be able to remake that game.
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:16.239
Not not in that way.
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:19.519
And the the one that tried can't get the lifestyle, the characters anyway.
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:21.119
So it's like half the roster again.
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:27.679
No, but I'm I'm looking, I'm looking at this Retro Mania roster, and it's very interesting.
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:32.400
You won't know Stumble Bum, and you might know I don't know most of them.
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:39.760
Well, a lot of them are indie darlings, so you have like Jeff Cobb, you have um Warhorse, and this is off the top of my head.
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:44.159
You've got uh the the Blue Mini and Big Stevie Richards and Supernova.
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.079
It's got the guys from Rock and Roll Express.
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:50.559
Oh yeah, Ricky and Bahami and them.
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.519
They bought the rights to the macho man, and he looks incredible in it.
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:57.280
But again, did smaller sprites move way too quick.
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.280
You're not gonna scratch the wrestle vestige.
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:01.119
It's a different game and it's fun.
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:04.719
Don't get me wrong, the the the indie guys did a great job, but it's not the same.
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:08.960
There's uh there's uh funkiness that goes along with nostalgia.
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:10.880
It can't be too clean, you know?
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:18.000
Like uh I have a Mega Man X game for my iPhone and it it moves like they cleaned it up, but it's too clean.
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:21.199
Because I'm like, where's my where's the garbage I'm used to?
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:21.920
You know?
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:23.360
Well, because you're just gonna be able to do it.
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.079
It's like trying to dress up craft mac and cheese with like other stuff.
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:27.840
You're like, it's still Kraft.
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.000
Oh, did you guys, you know what I just found out?
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:36.480
The fucking Kraft mac and cheese used to be called Kraft Family Dinner, and it was like the number one food in Canada.
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:40.320
Canadians love mac and cheese.
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:41.199
This is why it's my show.
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:42.320
I do the fuck I want.
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:50.719
Canadians love mac and cheese to the point where Kraft family dinners is what you would call their mac and cheese meal.
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:58.960
And it's and they've got, just like you were saying, you want a little bit of dirtiness, they've got all these recipes based off instant mac and cheese.
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:00.159
That makes a lot of sense.
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.760
There was an episode of Kids in the Hall where there was based off of it.
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:10.559
There was an episode of Kids in the Hall where there was like two of the two of the guys were just losers eating mac and cheese in their apartment with ketchup.
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.280
It was like they just eat mac and cheese and ketchup all day.
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:13.599
Yeah.
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:23.360
And um, there was a time when it was like I I don't know, it just kind of devolved and it's this uh these scientists came in and were like, hi, we're with the Loser Research Foundation.
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.800
You guys have eaten so much mac and cheese that you have tapeworms the size of us of your stomachs inside.
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:30.719
And it's like, does that mean we're gonna die?
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:36.960
And it's like, oh no, we're just gonna give you a bunch of this tapeworm food so that you guys can continue to eat mac and cheese and ketchup for the rest of your life.
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:39.920
Sounds so disgusting.
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:40.719
I'm sorry.
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:48.320
It's and they uh don't mean up to the fan of mac and cheese as is, but with ketchup, Jesus Christ.
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:48.880
Yeah.
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:54.719
My stepdad is like you might think on a deserted island just to like get calories into you.
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.800
Fucking baby food, eat real food.
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:04.719
Sir, I would not feed hot mac and cheese to a baby.
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:06.239
How dare you?
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:12.239
I guarantee I'm gonna have to make it for dinner for one of the kids tonight.
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:13.039
Hell yeah.
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.360
And you're gonna take a big old bite, baby.
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:19.760
Look it up, look at the Canadian version of it, and realize the box mac and cheese.
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.400
No, but they only deliver it by moose.
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:30.559
If you want to actually know good mac and cheese, uh Wonder Woman's uh Goodles, it's called Goodles.
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.639
Wonder Woman makes her own brand of boxed mac and cheese, and it's fucking delicious.
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:35.920
Galgo Gal Gado.
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:37.199
Gal Gadote.
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.119
I'm gonna be this is a trick.
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:42.079
There's no way a Wonder Woman mac and cheese is called Goonels.
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:42.960
Goodles.
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:45.920
I like Annie's is good.
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:50.719
I'm just I'm telling you, Wonder Woman's got good noodles.
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.480
Dude, she can act on my dick all day.
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:57.760
Can we can you cut that?
00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:58.559
No, I'm not.
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:00.320
It's in there, it's gonna lead the show.
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.000
Uh honestly, good transition.
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:08.559
Speaking of Bartman's dick, are you guys familiar with a game series called Chooniki?
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:10.880
Or as it's known out here, Super Big Brother.
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:11.119
Yes.
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:12.320
Do you guys know anything about this?
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:12.960
Yes.
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:14.079
John does.
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:14.880
John does.
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:20.400
So I I I want to to basically say about Chooniki.
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:22.320
What can you say about Chooniki, John?
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:23.199
So much.
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:29.119
Um you got the chance to try the PC engine version of it.
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.559
Now, the PC Engine version of it is technically not his.
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.679
It's a uh it's the original one.
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:38.800
Kishimoto was asked to remake this one.
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.000
Not remake it, but do his own version of it for the PlayStation.
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:46.960
But before I get ahead, John, please, please let me know uh Cho and your thoughts on it.
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:47.840
C H O.
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:54.320
So, okay, so the original game is Cho and each, and it's your standard side scroll, like R type, shoot 'em up.
00:49:54.639 --> 00:50:01.440
And it's two characters, it's just uh a guy and a girl, and it's almost like, you know, like you have like an elf or an angel flying shooting.
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:02.079
Sorry.
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:02.719
Yes.
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:23.280
The sequel, which makes absolutely no sense, goes from standard side scroller, shoot 'em up, you know, you press button and you shoot, you press other button and thing go boom, to I choaniki, which was two butt um bodybuilders, right?
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:29.360
That the translation of it in English is love super big brother, and you had to do moves.
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:34.000
How do I imagine I missed shit like that when people used to say stuff like that all the time?
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:40.000
Instead of just mashing the buttons, you actually had to do moves similar to Street Fighter.
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:43.599
So back forward attack, up down attack, down, up.
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:45.280
And there was all sorts of different ones.
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:48.000
So you had some long range ones, you had some short range ones.
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:51.760
But this is the one that Kishimoto was remaking.
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:54.239
Would you like to know the names of the moves?
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:55.840
Because they all have names.
00:50:56.159 --> 00:51:01.119
So you can hold a button and you put your hands above your head like a ballerina and you spin.
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:02.960
When you do this, you're invincible.
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:06.320
You're basically spinning around the screen, dodging whatever's being thrown at you.
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.760
That's called sweat juice boisterous dance.
00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:18.079
Your basic attack, just throwing out an energy ball that kind of homes enemies but is kind of weak, is called pleasant sigh.
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:20.960
Sigh like, ah, yeah, I know exactly.
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:21.679
I'm aware of that.
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.079
Not like the dude who sang Gangnam style.
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:35.199
Um your upwards and downwards close range attacks were fainting ascending lovers suicide and fainting lovers suicide.
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:44.000
Your long range, and by the way, for all of these, you are wiping the sweat off of your body and flinging it at the enemy.
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.000
That is your projectile.
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:52.960
So uh before before we get too far in what might be the greatest game ever made, Sooniki was made to be a joke game.
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:57.280
It took the Japanese kind of uh sensibilities and made it a satire.
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:01.119
However, uh, when Kishimoto got it, he was told one thing.
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:04.239
And he was said, When you develop this game, we only want one thing from you.
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:06.000
This is a double dragon guy, right?
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.000
Yeah, Mortal Kombat's crazy popular.
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.480
I want you to make sure everything is digitalized.
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.679
So Kishimoto goes, Yes, sir, I can do that.
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:29.280
Goes to develop the visual style by gathering a team of bodybuilder builders from bodybuilding magazine and gay erotic magazines from Japan, brought them all into the office, and then basically was just like, This is the world we're making.
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.199
Everybody take off your clothes.
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:34.000
So he then starts taking all these photos.
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:45.840
Um, the main guy was a guy who won uh all Japan's bodybuilding championship like multiple times, and then he chose that guy because he looked most like the um cartoon sprites from the pri the previous game.
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:50.079
And five days of photography to do this game.
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:53.440
And basically they were like, Okay, what do you want me to do?
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:54.320
I want you to flex.
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:54.559
Great.
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:55.920
Now pretend you're flying, great.
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:57.119
Can you give me more nipple?
00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:57.440
Great.
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.880
These are actual quotes from the making of Cho Niki.
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:07.840
And then later on, when he was interviewed, he said, uh, you couldn't make a game like this while maintaining a completely normal mindset.
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:11.360
So he encouraged his staff to get as weird as possible.
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:14.960
And eventually one of the designers goes, You know what this game needs?
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:15.840
My ass.
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:26.800
And according to Kishimoto, he the developer pulled down his pants and had another uh employee photograph his ass, scan the picture, and that's now in the fucking game's background.
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:27.679
Amazing.
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:28.480
Amazing.
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:29.840
Um, Kishimoto.
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:40.719
So if you can't picture your head, instead of using ships and stuff like Gradius, the the guys, the muscle men themselves are the actual ships, which is a blessing and a curse.
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:42.079
Because on one hand, it's crazy.
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.519
Visually, it's crazy, and you're gonna be like, what the fuck am I watching?
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:49.760
The downside is for a hitbox and a ship, it's like one pixel, it's like a block.
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:59.440
For a dude who's flexing and shit and wiping sweat from his own brow to throw at bad guys, it's like this weird Byzantine, like, you know, collision detection.
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:04.000
So you've got to like dodge in shit with this giant pro wrestler guy.
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:15.679
And it's it's one of those things where at some point in time, um, he was basically saying, like, I've made several catastrophic decisions to get this game out there.
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:20.079
Somebody had to explain to him how to program a crotch hitbox.
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:32.159
And like we're we're talking, like, if there's one guy to be clever enough and insane enough to make that game, it's the double dragon guy who started his career by punching his ex-girlfriend in the stomach.
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:36.559
If you guys haven't tried it, you should try it.
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:41.360
The PlayStation version is the one we're talking about, but the entire series is past shit insane.
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:42.400
I'm sorry to cut you off, John.
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:43.840
Did you have any robots for it?
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:55.519
There was a there's a boss in there with a it was a lady bodybuilder who's like super ripped and then has like, you know, long blonde hair and a ponytail, and it looked strikingly like Nicole Bass.
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:56.559
Yeah.
00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:59.679
And I was wondering if maybe she had something to do with this game.
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:01.599
Oh dude, I wish.
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:05.679
Can you imagine the ECW like connection with Nicole Bass and shit?
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:06.960
That'd be incredible.
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:12.480
Here's the thing though, is like this series went like this series is on its like ninth game.
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:12.880
Right.
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:19.039
It's still up until they they're coming out with a a Cho and Niki dancing rhythm game.
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:21.679
They came out with it in I think 2021.
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:22.639
Dude, or was it?
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:28.400
I didn't say it earlier, but so so so his version of Cho Niki only sold 20,000 copies.
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:32.880
The music was so popular, it sold 50,000 copies by itself.
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:34.880
That's what I said last night.
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:38.079
Dude, the soundtrack is amazing.
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:40.719
That game was amazing.
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:43.840
It it's sold the actual video game.
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:48.960
I don't think there's a I I would, I mean, I'm sure somebody can correct me, but there's no way that's happened before.
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:49.679
There's no way.
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:56.320
Even like it's not a Final Fantasy game that where the sound, I mean the soundtracks are popular, but they obviously didn't outsell the games.
00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:57.360
The game, right?
00:55:57.760 --> 00:55:59.039
It's fucking incredible.
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:00.960
No, the the the the music.
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:05.519
I I could have just sat there and like left the game on with the music in the background last night.
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:14.960
And and and to be fair, like Kishimoto, because he kind of knew what the deal was, he even scanned his own like child in there to be like a boss and shit.
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:25.280
Like he he knew he was making something soap ashit, which at the very end he later said in his life that was the most fun he'd ever have developing it a game, you know, ever.
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:27.119
And uh you can see it on the screen.
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:28.000
You can see it on the screen.
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.320
That broke him, and after that, he was only a producer.
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.880
Like Howard Hughes, he went back to porn.
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.599
Get these Kleenex boxes off my feet.
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:39.360
Get in the spruce moose.
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:41.519
I said hop in.
00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.840
Which that feels like a perfect place to end his story.
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:50.159
You know, I didn't expect it to go an hour, but at the same time, it's us three, so it was gonna go an hour.
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:52.480
Should talk about random shit.
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Exactly.
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Uh, when you look at his career, obviously it's insane.
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He turned Renegade into Double Dragon.
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Double Dragon helped to find the beat-em-up, which then became Superstars, which then became Russell Fest, and then spent five days photographing half-naked bodybuilders, and then put collision detection directly on a man's dick, which is how we get go back to Briff to Mr.
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Boardman.
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To Wonder Woman.
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You're right.
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That's that's a career arc of all career arcs.
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We go back to macaroni.
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I was kidding.
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Kishimoto was one of those developers' name isn't immediately recognizable, which is why I decided to take an episode to kind of throw him out there, even though millions of people grew up playing the games that came from him or barred something that actually invented, basically.
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I mean, without him, we wouldn't have Ninja Turtles Arcade, we wouldn't have Streets of Rage, Final Fight, the Avengers game.
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I mean, with without him America still needs your help.
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Well, honestly, it would have been in the style that people already did.
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The the one the guy just running at you from left to right, like Leonard would just hit somebody with a sword, that'd be it.
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And it wouldn't be multiplayer.
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I mean, maybe eventually it would be multiplayer, but it wouldn't have been that early.
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He was the innovator of I want this to feel like a street fight.
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And that's that's his his glory, honestly.
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Um yeah, that there's I don't really have much less after that.
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I want to feel like I'm punching my girlfriend, my ex-girlfriend in the stomach.
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:16.559
I mean, you know, I I'm not saying it was a good thing, but I'm saying if you had to get to WrestleFest, maybe.
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A lot of things were created out of spite.
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Like the guy who created potato chips because the guy wanted the potato slices cut thin, so he cut them so razor thin that they were crisp.
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Yeah.
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Good things happen because you want to be angry.
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I'm just telling you guys.
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So a final little thank you to Mr.
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Kishimoto.
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You took heartbreak, wrestling, street fights, muscle men, and one terrified programmer who wanted to show his ass and turn it all into video game history.
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Rest in peace, my man.
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I don't have to be.
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Thank you for WrestleFest, dude.
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Exactly.
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That was amazing.
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It's part of my childhood, our childhood.
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And Mr.
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Boitman, tell everybody where they can find you.
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Twitch.tv slash Mr.
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Boortman TTV.
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We uh play a lot of Dead by Daylight, and um then I play Metal Gear by myself and maybe one other person.
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Nobody cares.
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But you'll see a lot of us for Dead by Daylight.
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So that's uh that's your money game, man.
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It doesn't matter.
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I did I I have told the story several times about how you came over to my house when I beat it the first time in 2000.
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And I was like at the end of the game, and you're like, oh yeah, I'll just come over for the next 20 minutes.
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Yeah.
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Four hours you left my house.
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Four hours, most of it cutscenes of Raiden with a knife in his or with a sword in his mouth because he lost his arms.
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I just remember you came over at like eight and you left at like one in the morning.
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:40.079
John, do you uh do you have a little thing about initial mile that could throw up up there?
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Um, I mean, initial mile is uh anime and uh fan and fitness convention starting Gilbert, California.
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Um it's in the morning hours of it is a 5k, 10k, and then throughout the rest of the day, it's just an outdoor anime convention that has a bunch of fun fitness challenges baked in.
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Um if you are in the Bay Area on September 19th, come check it out.
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It is completely free unless you want to sign up for the 5k or 10k.
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Uh, but if you complete it, you get a cool metal t-shirt and um well, not a metal, it's a pendant, it's made out of wood.
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Um but it's laser etched, you know, it's real free.
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Thank you for running a 10K.
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Here's your wood.
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Pretty much.
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I hope it becomes more next more successful next year.
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Here is a tin can that we wrote you win.
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I was gonna say bigger wood.
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:39.599
Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, it's a it's a co can I write it.
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It's also wood, and then it's gonna go to pine, and then teak, and then mahogany.
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Release the stone of shame, attach the stone of triumph.
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I I know we're joking because the guy who who runs initial mile is fucking rad.
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But next year, just give him give somebody a bag of rocks.
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Twenty dollars?
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I wanted a peanut.
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Yeah.
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Here's a quarter, go play Russell Fest.
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This is underscore for the rest of the time, fellas.
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We'll see you next time.
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Thank you, everybody.
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We gamble around just giving time.
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We wrap the hair on the good old days when we had hair and our bodies didn't taste.
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Now we're the smithage guy with a ball.