Threshing Day Recap

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Hey Jeff.
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Hey Justin.
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Hey guys.
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Welcome to the show.
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Yeah, welcome.
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If this is your first time joining us, this is gonna be a good one.
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It is.
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Because we're we're big Empyrean series fans.
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Mm-hmm.
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And we got a new book that we're gonna talk about today.
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Sure are.
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And again, if you're new to it, we're married.
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We like to read books and then we like to talk shit a little bit.
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Yeah.
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Welcome to the Tilt Books to Us Part Podcast.
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That's right.
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All right, Jack.
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What do we what are we doing today?
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Because you have been working hard for it at putting something together.
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So I feel like we need to kind of start out with we're gonna be discussing the Threshing Day book, obviously.
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We read it, it really inspired us to get back into it and get back into it.
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We absolutely have, especially me.
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But important to note spoilers.
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For sure.
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Yeah.
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If you haven't read Fourth Wing, Onyx Storm, Iron Flame and Threshing Day.
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Yeah, and Threshing Day.
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Then we're gonna ruin it for you.
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And if you're okay with that, listen to us.
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If not, you probably don't want to.
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Yeah, read it and come back to us because definitely spoilers throughout connections made to three books.
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Have been writing essays.
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It's not an essay.
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Essays.
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It is quite a bit.
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But it was so fun because I feel like it kind of like brought us back.
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Like, you know, obviously the last few episodes, no deep diving has been happening.
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Well, there's been no books that we've been reading together that we're like, oh, this is so fun and so like the a mystery or a problem to solve that we can really get into it.
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Right.
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And then Threshing Day comes out and it's like, oh, this little whatever, three and a half book, novella, whatever these things are called.
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And all of a sudden we're like, holy shit, there's a bunch of info.
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Like I kind of expected it to be very fluff, very filler, and in some ways it was, but Rebecca Yaris is too smart for that.
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Yeah, you're you I can't we know you're not gonna get something like that, and there's not gonna be what do you always call them?
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The Easter eggs or whatever?
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Yeah.
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Like we know that that's gonna be in there.
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But also so much information and like new information too that you know we didn't have before.
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And she says this isn't required reading going into book four.
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Right.
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And I would agree with that to a degree, but I think that you would be missing out if you didn't read it.
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Yeah, I think it's worth reading if you haven't.
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For sure.
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So before we get into threshing day, I think we should discuss our threshing day stories and exactly how that went down.
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Yeah, so it's dragonkind, maybe like.com.
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No, you I'm sure you can Google it, but it's a dragonkind website.
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Yeah, if you haven't done it, you get to experience threshing.
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Right.
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So Jackie texts me, I think, during the middle of the day and was like, oh, you should try this thing out or whatever.
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Or maybe she just told me about it.
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I don't remember.
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Either way, I went on to it, she went on to it.
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You know, you fill out some basic information and then it starts hitting you with questions like, you know, do you want to go in alone or with friends or with squad mates and you want to climb this tree or go forward, you know?
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So it kind of takes you down this path, and then at the end, based on your questions or decisions that you make, you cat might have the opportunity to bond with a dragon.
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And you might not.
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So you might not.
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I I did it.
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Actually, no, Jack, you did yours first, right?
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The first attempt.
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Yes, I did the first attempt.
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Yeah, tell us about your first attempt.
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I don't remember exactly which order things happened in.
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I think that was the one where I tried to jump on the back of a red dragon and then I died.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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It didn't work out for me.
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So I tried a Dane approach.
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Okay.
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Um and it was unsuccessful.
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Okay.
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And then so you're like, oh, I didn't bond.
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And I believe I was at work.
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Maybe you have to wait four hours.
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And maybe you might have been at work too.
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I don't know.
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We were probably both at work.
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And I think you did it and that happened.
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And then you text me and you asked if I had done it yet, which I had not.
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So obviously I'm at work.
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There's no better time for me to do it.
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So I I went ahead and I did it as well.
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And yeah, I was like, Do you want to bond this green dragon that's like, please bond me?
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And I was like, man, green, that's weird for me.
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That would have been my last thought.
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But I was like, after reading Threshing, there's a lot of people who didn't get the dragon that they thought that they wanted because you want somebody either opposite of you or in some cases similar.
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And the drink green dragon was like, Oh, we'd be perfect for each other because I would, you know, basically oppose you in a lot of ways.
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And I was like, that is a good match.
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Thanks.
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Because me and the green would probably he'd mellow me out a little bit.
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That would definitely be the last thought, like that my last like assumption for you would be a green.
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Again, but opposites attract.
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Right.
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Level headed, that's not necessarily you.
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Yeah.
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So I was like, oh, cool, you know, and um, you know, we become close, obviously we bonded, and that was that.
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And then Jackie was like, Well, I'm gonna redo it.
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And I was like, redo it, and I like you know you're dead.
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You can't.
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Yeah, and you can't well, of course not if you die.
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But in this fictitious world, I was able to try again, and so I did two more times.
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Second time, I think I had two greens that were looking at me, and it's like, which one do you want to go to?
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The one on the left or the right?
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And I said, No, I'm gonna keep a neutral, neutral stance and let them choose.
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Took the passive approach with the dragon.
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Yeah, and then they were like, bitch you dead.
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Um because you were indecisive.
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Right.
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That was fair, that was fair.
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And then the last time mm it was like from the get-go, my dragon was calling to me.
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It it was several steps along the way, and even had my dragon like try and intimidate me and trying to test me, like it was like it's growling at you, it's got steam coming out, you sure you don't want to turn away.
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Yeah.
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And I'd I stood my ground.
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Right.
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And it was there.
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And you know, what I learned from this experience and all of the experiences I've seen other people having across the board is that it doesn't matter what you do when you go into the threshing field.
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Like, literally, there is no right or wrong way to approach it.
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And that's all these threshing stories.
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There's no right or wrong way to approach it because your dragon is looking for you regardless.
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And is this I don't know if endorsed by Rebecca Yaris is a word, but she's the one who's gonna be like, She's the one who made it.
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Yeah.
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She's she's come out and said this is her thing.
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Like she said this is doesn't involve any publishers or anything like that.
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Like you get this from her.
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Right.
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And it's, I mean, yeah, it's kind of silly, right?
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If you think about it, you're like, oh whatever.
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But let me tell you this I bonded migrant dragon.
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And I was like, that that was kind of cool.
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Like I know the name and the age and kind of like a little history, it was cool.
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And then Jack was like, hey, by the way, they do merch.
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They do, they do merch.
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I'm kind of excited about that.
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You know what else I noticed?
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Rebecca Yars is a genius.
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She is and she's super rich.
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Well, that, but your dragon is a boy and mine's a girl.
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Right.
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So our dragon's best to mates.
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And my dragon is green, so really just like kind of laid back, like, hey, you know, everything's cool, no big deal.
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We'll get through it, everything's fine.
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And you bonded a red dragon.
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Right.
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And like temperamental.
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Yeah.
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It just seems maybe more like it it is in real life.
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Yeah, probably.
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I'm probably green and you're probably a red.
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And maybe our dragons love each other.
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Probably probably, I'm sure they do.
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Uh the other piece to that is there's a countdown afterwards, which I have not had the countdown on mine, where it's a countdown to getting your signet.
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And that is a date in May.
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It's like a Monday in May.
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In May.
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Mm-hmm.
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Wow.
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And so there's been a lot of speculation about what that means.
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A lot of people thinking that it perhaps is a date signifying, like a book coming out.
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That seems very unlikely because she's not done writing book four from everything that we've heard.
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So whether that's like gonna be maybe a cover or title release, or maybe it's just you're getting your signet then.
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Well, and now I'm like, I haven't really got on mine because, you know, then, well, not to make this story too long.
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Jack was like, well, nobody really gets a black dragon, and blue's like really rare too.
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Which goes, you know, like real life, you know.
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Well, real life for the real book.
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Right.
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But you know, yeah, you get it.
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So I made another one to be like, oh, well, let's like test it.
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And I got a similar kind of path, but when I came to a crossroads, I made different decisions just to sh to see, and I died.
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I died like a straight up bitch.
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Yeah.
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Like straight up, I fell off the dragon.
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Which to me, as a rider or cadet or whatever, is there a worse way to die in threshing than falling off?
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Like you've made it, the dragon has picked you.
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Yeah, that would be tough.
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You're going back to the field and it's there.
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Trina?
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Is it Trina that does that happens too?
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I can't remember.
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Probably Trina.
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Somebody in Sawyer's.
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Yeah, I think it's Trina.
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Yeah, whatever girl he was close to and like was a part of his chapter or whatever.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Well, no, I don't I don't have a countdown on mine as far as I don't either.
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I see.
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I do wish that I could tell you my dragon's name.
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He's really cool.
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He is a green sword tail, and he's fifty one.
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I would like for you to try to pronounce his name.
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Okay.
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Uh Shia Brill.
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Okay.
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Shyobru.
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Hey, there you go.
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C-H-I-O-B-R-I-L.
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I don't know that I would pronounce C-H as shy, but you never know.
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Chia?
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Like like Shy Town?
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Yeah, maybe.
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Okay.
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Who knows?
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Chia Brew.
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Wow.
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I like that.
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Very exciting.
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So let's get into the book now.
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Okay.
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So this book starts with this Trial by Fire, Thrushing Advice for Dragon Kime Professors.
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Okay.
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And Rebecca Yaris has come out and said in an interview that this version of events is the only one that we can trust.
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Which is wild.
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Because it was not written by scribes.
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Yeah, and like you're gonna come out and say that shit after three whole ass books.
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Yeah.
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So you're saying that we can't trust anything that we've just read in those three books.
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Right.
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And then our first generation of podcasts, when we deep dove like four chapters at a time every week for all these books, which is now lost.
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Yeah.
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No thank you to our podcast hosting service.
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I don't want to throw them out because I'm still using it because I'm resistant to change.
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But yeah.
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We're talking, I don't know how many episodes.
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Anyway, we had theories, and one of them we talked about all the time was like Jacenia in general, her role.
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Is she trustworthy?
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She's writing everything down, or this, you know, what is it?
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Is it the dragons changing it?
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Is it writers?
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Is it the scribes?
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So there's all these theories we've had, but that kind of confirmed like don't trust everything Jacenia writes down.
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Well, even these stories though are transcribed by Kaori and Minna, I guess, professors of dragon kind.
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Shout out.
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So is she saying they are trustworthy, the scribes are not?
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That's kind of the way I'm taking it.
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I don't know.
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I I've always since we started reading this, kind of looked at it with a you can't trust anything from anybody type of deal.
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Yeah.
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You know, so like you're not getting Brennan's POV from Brennan and Mira's POV from Mira.
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You're getting it transcribed still.
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Right.
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And and so again, is it who's changing it?
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It it seems like it's the scribes changing it, but also is it riders putting on a certain show in front of the scribes?
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It's not like the scribes are gonna be with them 24-7, right?
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Like it's just only certain times or whatever.
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Yeah.
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And that's something that like I actually did want to go back and look at too, because it says in the beginning of this one, all events are true, names have been preserved to honor the courage of those fallen.
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And I'm assuming that all of the other books also said that.
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I think they do.
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I'm pretty sure that all events are true.
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Yeah.
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And that's like, mmm, but like, all right.
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I I believe, and I didn't go back and check every one.
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I'm pretty sure that's the same intro to all the books.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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So overall thoughts on this one.
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What did what were your overall thoughts?
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So I did not expect I honestly expected to go in disappointed because I view things like this a lot of times as money grabs, where it's like, this is not what we asked for.
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It's not, you know, whatever.
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It's another thing to add that's like doesn't really give you anything.
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You don't have to have read the books to read that.
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And I'm like, you know, I'm going to because I really love it, but man, I don't like this.
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And I was wrong.
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I was like, oh, this is fun and good.
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And like, I'm so glad she did this.
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So one again, she's a genius.
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She's great.
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Again, I think I'm just a big fanboy, I guess.
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Yeah, I think you are too.
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I was I was like, oh, this is great.
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I'm so glad that I paid money for this.
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Multiple formats.
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Right.
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I think it's great.
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I think it's worth it.
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It's like 200 pages.
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Yeah.
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And it starts with that again, that thrushing advice for dragon kind professors.
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A few things stuck out to me from that section.
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One, he says more than once, all times our loyalty remains with the Empyrean.
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And even goes into point out that if it becomes between like any sort of conflict between a cadet and a dragon, you have to drag to improve the loyalty to the Empyrean.
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Yeah.
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And so I wonder if that's what makes these professors like more trustworthy, is because they're on the side of the dragons.
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Yeah, it seems that way.
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But also I'm like, who can you trust, right?
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Still like professors, you don't know you can trust.
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What dragons you can trust?
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Right?
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We don't know.
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Like we already know.
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Clearly you can't.
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Right.
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And they're we don't know what this fight is about.
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We don't know that Venn are as bad as we think that they are, or Wyvern.
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We don't know what Wyvern are still.
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And again, it's just all of these odd things that we don't know.
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So I I know that I say I don't know a thousand times an episode, and that's my go-to is I don't know.
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I think it's gonna you're gonna up the ante on it for this one.
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But like how can you read it and get all this information and be like, well, I trust all that too.
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I trust everything to drag.
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I do you trust Taryn a hundred percent?
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Yeah.
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You shouldn't.
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Do you trust Siguel 100%?
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For sure not.
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No way.
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She's a secret keeper if there ever was one.
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Right?
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Like, and you go down the list and like you're not gonna say a dragon's name.
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Yeah, Mulvik.
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Uh-huh.
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No.
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Oh, for sure not Mulvik.
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I got lots to say about Mulvik.
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There is no dragon that you're gonna be like, oh yeah, I trust him 100%.
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No.
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Well, and again, he speaking of not being trusted with your dragons, they mentioned that no artist has depicted every distinguishing mark of a dragon, and that makes telling descendants apart woefully difficult.
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Yeah.
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Like clearly very difficult because we've got all kinds of bamboozlery, that's not a word, happening.
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Shenanigans of these dragons who are pretending to be dragons that they are in fact not.
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Well, and I'm again, I'm sure we're gonna get into all of it, but we already know their descendants.
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We already know that lineages are gonna match up.
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Like it if you read this, you're gonna come away thinking, oh fuck.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if anything that I've read in three books is right.
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I don't know what uh up, down, down, it's up.
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Everything is twisted now.
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No.
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And we're gonna get into each person's POV, but I want to talk about some big themes that I noticed.
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Okay.
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Like overarching that can't kind of seem to come across all of them.
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One that was very obvious to everybody is the marked ones dragons are already predetermined.
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Which is not something that I remember knowing.
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Not really.
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No, like definitely not, at least to that degree.
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Like, I definitely feel like we heard where they said that these dragons who were supportive of the cause were intentionally like bonded with marked ones because of that.
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But I kind of think I interpreted that as that happened at Threshing.
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Right.
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So what I think that I believed was that some of the dragons in rare cases were seeking out marked ones based on their familiar lines.
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Right.
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Yeah in limited cases.
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Yeah.
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But reading this makes it seem like to me it's in all cases.
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Yeah, or at least all the ones of the examples we were able to see.
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It seems like a lot of marked ones POVs we don't get from this, obviously.
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Yeah, from what you see.
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But I also came away thinking or questioning are all of the dragons right now, you know, across multiple sides.
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I shouldn't say all the dragons.
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It made it seem like all the marked ones had dragons already assigned or whatever, picked out familial lines, whatever.
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Yep.
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I also started to get the thought, like, okay, well, is that happening on the other side too, where we're getting familial lines?
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See, but the the the familial lines part I don't know.
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But what I noticed was that in the cases where the marked ones already had dragons looking for them, other dragons left them alone.
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Or other dragons.
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Yeah, like Whitney attack them or whatever.
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Yeah.
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So it's like even the dragons who well, and we don't know that the dragons that were mentioned in those situations were ones that maybe were on the other side.
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But we just know that it was other dragons who were just like, oh no, I've got to leave that one alone.
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They're not bonded yet, but they're going to be already.
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And that seems big that other dragons are already like, you know, they're untouchable because these other dragons have claimed them.
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Right.
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So now the is threshing just a dog and pony?
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Just a show.
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Like it's the dragons when they fly out and land into the trees, every single one of them already knows.
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I think so.
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And that's where, you know, the example that I was giving earlier about my own personal experience of threshing.
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You know, it's already predetermined.
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Like I just had to wait for my dragon because they've already got their minds made up.
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Yeah, you're you're right.
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And we get an example of someone who we're gonna talk about later on who's just like, I didn't get pick blast and blah blah, and the dragon goes into maybe why.
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Yeah.
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So another thing that came up a lot, we're gonna talk about some trees.
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I love trees.
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I'm on tree watch.
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I'm I'm always on tree watch.
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I'm fully on tree watch.
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I need you to know that the word tree or trees was said one hundred and twenty-six times in a book that's only two hundred and twenty-four pages long.
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That seems like a lot.
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That seems significant for a book that's not about trees.
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Well, and it to be fair, or people in trees are going into threshing in the woods.
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So like trees are gonna be there.
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They're gonna be mentioned.
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But I know from not knowing uh doing that count, which is well, thank you for that.
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Yeah, well.
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That is a high number.
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I because if you'd have just been like, hey, they mention trees a lot, I'd have been like, okay.
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Yeah.
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The fact that you meticulously know that it was 126 times mix it eye popping.
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I'm like, oh wow, that's that's quite a bit.
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It seems like a lot.
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And again, we'll get into the specific mentions, but we've got that petrified tree with the lightning wielder business.
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We got Liam waiting at a tree.
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Sloan mentioning trees from all over the kingdom, so many of these.
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Dragons climbing trees, a mention of, oh, I didn't know you guys could climb trees.
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Exactly.
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Trees are important, and I don't know why yet, but I'm gonna point out.
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I didn't know, and maybe I just missed it from like fourth wing.
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When the dragons, when threshing begins and they descend into the valley, they land in the trees.
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They're like in the tree?
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Yeah, they there's a point in this in threshing, and I can't remember who's POV, but they're talking about they all coming out and landing in the trees.
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Oh, I thought that just meant that they like came into the forest.
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Maybe that maybe it does.
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I viewed it as like, oh, are they like landing in trees like big giant ass birds?
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And some of them seem to.
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Some of them seem to be in the trees.
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Okay.
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Another big thing that I noticed across multiple POVs is people wishing for things that somehow lead to their signet.
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And I don't know that this was so much of like an I gotcha moment or an aha, or if it was just Rebecca liking to put, you know, like little fun Easter eggs of like, hey, like, you know, they said this and then this ended up being their signet.
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Right.
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Or if there's more to it.
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I definitely feel like we've seen themes where it said things about like them getting a signet that was based on something that they actually needed, you know, like internally somehow.
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Yeah.
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I I think a huge example of like foreshadowing or whatever is when we get to Zadens.
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Yeah.
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With the shadows.
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Oh, well, and the being an intense, like needing information, needing to be able to keep secrets, like lots of examples of that.
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The other big thing that happened a lot is every single person somehow gets hurt, more specifically, has blood drawn.
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And a lot of them have it done in a very similar way or a very similar part of their body.
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And I'll get into that as we keep going.
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Well, I again I know I'm building this up to be big.
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The amount of information I feel like you have ready to like get into is exciting.
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Well, we are on half of page one of an outline that's six pages long.
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So perhaps we should continue.
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Wow.
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I love outlines.
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All right.
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So the first chapter or whatever that we're gonna get into is Brennan's Threshing Day.
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Yes.
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With every time I see it, I want to call it Marble.
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I know it's not marble.
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Marb.
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Marb.
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It just is like I think Barb and I think old people.
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Anyway, Marb and Brennan, Marb's supposedly, okay, again, we're gonna get into it, but supposedly is 76 and has three recorded riders.
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I think that's important that they say estimated age and recorded riders.
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Right.
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You know, so who knows?
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And now because it's the first one, why not talk about for the first one?
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I seem to feel like when they're on the side of like Dane types, you know what I mean?
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It's kind of like maybe a trustworthy writer's and age, and I'm sure that it's not, but I I just feel like it's more heavily on the marked ones.
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Now, this is Brennan, and I don't think Brennan's is accurate either.
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No, I don't think I I honestly question if any of them are, to be honest.
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But who knows?
00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:47.200
So Brennan's story, he's needing to find the highest, most central tree.
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Uh-huh.
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Tree watch.
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But that seems to be like a common theme among the Soren Gales is deciding that trees are their best bet.
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Didn't work out for me.
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No, something maybe they learned from from their mom or whatever.
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But we do jump to Like a big like right off the bat, like, oh, okay, that's interesting.
00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:04.319
Uh meeting Asher.
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Right.
00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:09.119
That was so like I think everybody's jaws dropped when that happened.
00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:13.680
Well, it's right out the gate of the first chapter, and you're just like, what, their dad?
00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:17.119
Like, you know, just kind of like you're gonna get actually get to meet the dad at some point.
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And there's so much secrecy around him, and so much like not quite sure exactly like what role he plays.
00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:25.359
Like, there's a there's so many questions around that.
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Again, do you need that to is it gonna ruin fourth wing?
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No, whatever.
00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:35.119
But if somebody was like, Oh yeah, one of the first chapters, the things you do is meet their dad and get an interaction with him.
00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:37.519
Yeah, you might want that for information.
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And I'm sure there's more too, and there is one big thing that I feel like comes within this interaction with him.
00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:51.759
But he mentions that he's been on assignment somewhere classified and he got back in August and didn't get to see Brennan at Parapet or whatever.
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But also mentioned the mom, and this I don't know if I was a hundred percent aware of.
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Okay.
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That it says that the mom is currently the commander of the writer's quadrant, which I do feel like I knew that she was at some point.
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But I felt like for whatever reason, I thought that that was like a progression of she was the commander of the writer's quadrant and then went to be the commander of Bas Gaiath.
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And it could be that this information was in one of the other books and I just don't remember it.
00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:28.960
But this shows that in Mira's POV, it says that she's stationed at Torseni at the front lines.
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That sounds like a good name.
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Yeah, Torseni.
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Torseni.
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Yep.
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And then of course, when By Violet is going through Bas Gaiath, she is the commander of like the whole college.
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Yeah.
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So it's like she's at the college, she's on the front lines, and then she's back to the college.
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Right.
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I feel like that can't be a coincidence.
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Yeah, I don't and then so when I think about when you're getting again, last time I'm gonna say this, spoiler, you ain't read those books.
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I'm about to fuck it up for you.
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I feel like before she dies, the times that you have with her, the whole time she is the general of Bass Gaias, but also is like going and traveling in a way.
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But this specifically says in Mira's POV that she's stationed at Torseni.
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Yeah.
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:20.400
So I'm thinking there is a promotion, which you would think if you're going from the writer's quadrant general to the school general or whatever, that would be the logical next step.
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I don't know where being stationed somewhere else becomes you know, where that comes in.
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:28.079
I just feel like it it's just interesting to me.
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She's at the college with Brennan's there, she's at the college when Violet's there.
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Is there a reason for that?
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Is that intentional?
00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:35.519
Who knows?
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Big.
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Um the dad mentions that he has, again, this is like that signet watch kind of thing, where the dad mentions Asher that he has trained him on healing.
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And so he's asking, Are you like upset that I didn't go into the healer's quadrant?
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:54.640
But then he also mentions later, like, thank God for the Menders, we need more of them.
00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:57.119
And of course that's right Brennan's signet.
00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:05.440
And so, like you said, first evidence of like kind of wanting the signet or foreshadowing what the signet's gonna be.
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:09.440
But I also got the vibe that Asher already kind of like knew what the path was.
00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:11.119
I don't know, it seems like he knows everything.
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Right?
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He's just the way, you know, and you'd have to actually read it yourself, you know, go word for word, but the way the interaction goes comes off very much like Asher knows it's all planned.
00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:34.000
Everything is already even when it comes to his dragon, because Brennan mentions not wanting an orange, and the dad says Zynol does not favor just those who need luck, but those who accept his gifts without hesitation.
00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:36.000
And then he ends up bonding an orange dragon.
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:38.960
He does, and he even is like, hey, you never know.
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:44.400
It might be what you need is something different from yourself, something opposite might, you know, be what's right for you.
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:44.799
Right.
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:46.319
And how is it that the dad knows this?
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:52.319
And what communication does he I personally just like random throw a theory out there?
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:55.759
I believe that the dad is absolutely in communication with the dragons.
00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:59.039
I agree, and I think and he's not a professor of dragon kind.
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:00.240
And he's not a writer.
00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:00.720
No.
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:10.960
But I think that he is too, through how what however that has worked out, and he already knows the dragons have communicated like all of those dragons are already picking his children.
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:13.599
And it's specific which ones and for what reasons.
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:16.880
So the dragons trust him, but he's not even a writer.
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:18.079
Yeah, right.
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:18.319
Yeah.
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:19.359
Shit is wild.
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:25.519
So here is the big thing that came from Brennan's chapter to me, and it's like a big thing, but not a big thing.
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:25.759
Okay.
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:30.160
Okay.
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:31.279
Well, that's big then.
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:43.039
So Brennan's dad randomly gives him this black beaded bracelet that says he's worn forever, and even mentions that it's still warm, like when Brennan puts it on, he says it's still warm from his body heat.
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:43.440
Okay.
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:45.519
Or is another reason that's warm?
00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:46.319
I don't know.
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.839
Because I thought this bracelet seemed familiar to me.
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:58.079
And not that just that it seemed familiar to me, but it seemed too specific and pointed not to be more important than just a random little trinket that he's getting.
00:26:58.240 --> 00:26:58.400
Okay.
00:26:58.720 --> 00:26:58.880
Okay.
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:00.160
So I did some research.
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:00.640
Okay.
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:01.119
All right.
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:06.400
This bracelet does not come up in Fourth Wing or Iron Flame, but it does come up in Onyx Storm.
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:07.200
That's weird.
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:07.680
Okay.
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:08.079
Okay.
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:20.079
So in Onyx Storm, Mira is wearing what seems to be this black beaded bracelet when she tells Violet about having gone to see their grandma Niara.
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:32.000
And Violet just keeps bringing this bracelet up and how it seems so familiar to her that when she's seeing it, she's smelling parchment like from scribes.
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:36.799
And then Violet's wondering if grandma is where this bracelet comes from.
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:42.720
It comes up again in Onyx Storm where Brennan recognizes the bracelet.
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:47.119
Zaydan tells Violet this as having belonged to their grandmother.
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:56.480
And then he and Mira get into this superheated argument, and this is where we find out that Mira believes that the parents took Violet to be dedicated to Dune.
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:04.160
So do you think that the dedication to Dune and this bracelet is connected?
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.000
I mean, obviously it seems like, yeah, that's a weird important.
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:17.440
I don't understand how Brennan has this bracelet at one point and then Mira has it and then he realizes that it came from the grandma.
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.440
Because how did it get from Brennan to Mira?
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:25.839
Did grandma have it in between those two things and Brennan knows that?
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.119
I'm gonna go ahead and shoot my first theory off.
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:29.680
Okay.
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:32.720
And I don't know if we need to track these theories off because I love tracking theories.
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:34.960
This bracelet cannot be unimportant.
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.759
I'm not I'm gonna go ahead and completely convinced that it's important.
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:44.640
This bracelet has originated from like one of the first six, or like something down there familiar lineage that's been handed down.
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.079
It's made from black tourmaline.
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:46.799
I don't know if that matters.
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:47.920
I couldn't find that word anywhere else.
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.440
So I again we have a million theories.
00:28:52.000 --> 00:29:03.200
My biggest one I feel like at this point in a moment in time is that all of the original or first six riders or whatever and the first dragons, I think that they're all linked, right?
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:10.960
Like they're the dragons or descending and riding, or the riders are the same descendants of the first ones.
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.200
And again, there's only six of them, right?
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:14.240
Or seven, I guess.
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:19.519
And there's hundreds of riders or whatever the case is, but I feel like Violet is one of them.
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:30.960
And I might not be right, you know, because Brennan's still alive, Mira's still alive, but one of them has to be, I guess all of them could be a descendant, but I feel like that bracelet is somehow linked from like early rider.
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:31.759
Maybe.
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.519
I I wouldn't disagree with that.
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:41.839
I definitely like as you're saying that my wheels are turning because there were several examples in this book where it's like a dragon saying that my line has always sought out your line.
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:42.319
Right.
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:46.880
I don't know if there were more than six examples of that or not, but there definitely were several.
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:47.440
Yeah.
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:50.000
And I th you could be absolutely on to something there.
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.480
But this bracelet's important and everybody's always twisting it.
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:53.839
Is it a four crux?
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:54.720
Who knows?
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:55.039
Maybe.
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:55.359
Yeah.
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:56.720
They're always twisting it.
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:58.400
I don't know if twisting it means something.
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:05.119
I don't know if this bracelet does something, or if there's magic inside, or if there's answers to something inside, but it's important.
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:06.160
I'm convinced.
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:06.799
I'm convinced.
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:07.440
Bracelet watch.
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:09.519
So we have tree watch and bracelet watch.
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:10.079
Yes.
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:10.559
Yeah.
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:10.960
Okay.
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:13.039
Bracelet watch is definitely convincing me.
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:15.839
The other thing I'm watching is Mulvik.
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:17.920
And you know why I'm I'm watching Mulvik?
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:18.799
Tell me why.
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.400
Because he was everywhere.
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:22.160
And it was so subtle.
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.599
And I probably did not even myself catch all the mentions of him.
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:26.160
Okay.
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.680
But he just shows up in everybody's POVs at their threshings.
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.200
He and Brennan's, it just says it's a mention of a blue.
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:35.440
No, there's no blues on Kaori's list.
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:37.839
So he's like, what the fuck's that dragon doing here?
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:38.400
Mm-hmm.
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:40.240
And that dragon is hunting for something.
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.319
And I don't know if that dragon is hunting for information or if it's hunting for a specific person.
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.200
Obviously Mulvik ends up with Arik in the end.
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:54.160
But he it's almost like each one of the people's POVs that he shows up in are people that he may be considered.
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:54.880
Okay.
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:55.599
Yeah.
00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:01.599
Because I do remember him showing up more than once uh before you get to ARC's, which he does have a POV at the end.
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.160
He's the last one, and I think it's sick that way for a reason.
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:10.960
I'm just wondering, you know, for so Arc he has a signet where he can like see Yeah, glimpses of the future.
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:12.160
The glimpse of the future, whatever.
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:13.920
And like Movvik's all over.
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:19.440
Is it really that, or is Movvik just kind of like appearing?
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:26.720
I'm just like projecting all over, and like this is how that signet works, is because Movik is able to like project at all these different places and time.
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:27.200
Right?
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:28.400
Because you get your signet from the city.
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.480
Yeah, there's a couple of situations where he for sure was there because he tried to like roast people and stuff.
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:32.799
Okay.
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:34.400
Like he was very much there.
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:35.920
Alright, Movik watch.
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:42.079
So obviously I said every single one of these POVs, they bleed in some way, shape, or form.
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:46.079
In this case, Brennan's, he scrapes his forearm at some point and is bleeding.
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:47.119
Don't know what it means.
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:48.480
Don't know what it has to do with it.
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:50.640
I don't know if it's something about bonding with your dragon.
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:52.720
You got to bleed first, but they all do.
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.599
And he ends up bonding with Marb, obviously.
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:56.240
Marb.
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:02.319
But Marb says, you can call me Xinal's chosen one, which is kind of a callback to what the dad said.
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:04.559
About, yeah, Zanal's favoring.
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:05.119
Yeah.
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:11.680
About Xinol favor, those who need luck, not just those who need luck, but those who accept his gifts without hesitation.
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.640
So and we know Zanal comes up a lot later, in Onyx Storm.
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:15.119
Uh-huh.
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.240
Again, I can't connect all the dots, but the dots are there.
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.480
The dots are there waiting to be connected.
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:20.960
Right.
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:21.359
Yeah.
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.079
Also, if you thought you were going to come out of this with answers.
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:24.640
Oh yeah.
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:25.279
No, you're not going to.
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:26.240
I don't know if we covered that.
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:26.720
Have that.
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.920
You might get a few, and you're going to probably come away with more questions.
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:31.279
Yeah, but you're me thinking a lot.
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:33.200
For sure, because that's what we like to do.
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:33.920
Alright.
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.880
So our next POV is Mira's.
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:37.440
Mira.
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:41.680
And I 100% don't trust her dragon age or any of that.
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:42.079
Alright.
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:42.799
So Tiny.
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:44.240
No recorded writers.
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:46.319
41 years old.
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:47.759
No recorded riders.
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:48.480
False.
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:49.440
Definitely false.
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:51.519
So one, I Tiny's a thug.
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:52.640
Tiny's a thug.
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:54.240
Kind of between a couple things.
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:59.039
Between are any of these dragons' names, riders and age correct?
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:02.480
And not even just like, oh well, Tiny's not 41.
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:04.000
Tiny's actually 72.
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:06.400
No, is Tiny 650?
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:08.880
Do they get that old?
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:09.440
Right?
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:10.079
Do we know?
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:10.640
I don't know.
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.880
Have you heard about a dragon just retiring out?
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:14.559
Like they go to the Empyrean or the bit?
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:15.839
Like we don't know shit about anything, right?
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:16.319
We don't.
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.039
How do we know that dragons don't live a thousands of years?
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:19.759
We don't.
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.680
So how do we know Tiny's 41 and not 641, right?
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:25.599
And I don't know, man.
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:29.039
I don't trust any of it, but I definitely don't trust Tiny.
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:33.599
Well, she already seemed to know that she wanted Tiny from presentation.
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:42.559
And so I don't feel like this is quite the same as the Marked One situations where it was like the other dragons saying, like, this is gonna be your dragon.
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:49.200
But another example of like there being this early level bond, and these are the only POVs we get.
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:50.400
That's important to remember.
00:33:50.559 --> 00:34:00.559
It could be that every cadet that successfully bonds in any situation, you know, maybe feels some type of pull to a certain dragon, or maybe that happens 50% of the time, or whatever it is.
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.759
Well, we're not getting POVs from those who die threat in threshing.
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:04.480
Sure, not that.
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:04.799
Right.
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.759
So we don't know But not even the ones who successfully bond either.
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:08.159
Right.
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:08.559
You know.
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:10.480
That aren't integral to the main story.
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:10.960
Right.
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:18.719
And and I just feel like it's just noteworthy that she says, you know, at presentation, she was immediately drawn to this dragon.
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.119
It was like a very quick connection.
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:25.840
Could that be because it has bonded a member of her familial line at some point or another?
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:26.400
Yeah.
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:28.320
So that connection comes from somewhere.
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:28.880
Somewhere.
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:29.119
Right.
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:29.840
Yeah, I'm with you.
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:30.719
So tree watch.
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:31.360
Tree watch.
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:32.719
Mira's up in a tree.
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:34.880
The Soren Gales love their trees.
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:35.280
They do.
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:38.880
Also, her dragon knocks down a tree to test her at some point.
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:40.800
So again, we're just trees.
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:47.599
Something that stuck out to me from Mira's point of view is this feeling of her not belonging.
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.079
Like she at one point says, like, I belong to me, or like I, you know, in myself.
00:34:52.320 --> 00:35:02.639
Because she feels like the mom favors Brennan, even Brennan's POV, he kind of like confirms that where he says that she only like that Lilith only softens for two people and it she he implies that it's him and the dad.
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:02.960
Right.
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:03.280
Yeah.
00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:06.480
And dad obviously favors Violet with all the scribe business.
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:10.880
And so she feels kind of like a a missing, you know, classic middle child.
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:11.280
Right.
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:12.320
You get the middle child, yeah.
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:13.039
That's exactly right.
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:23.599
Does this mean that Mira is going to those hurt feelings or that feeling of being unwanted or whatever is going to make her a bad guy later?
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:25.360
I think it's a possibility.
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:30.960
I think that there's no way we can believe well, we know Brennan.
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:34.559
But it's like there's just no way we can believe that none of them are gonna turn bad.
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.119
Like all three are gonna survive and be good guys and all this.
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:38.239
I don't just don't know.
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:42.960
Which we've had our our questions about Brennan before, because obviously there's a lot of uncertainty around him.
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:48.800
Yeah, so I 100% believe that it could be Mira that is one of the people who turns.
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:56.719
Yeah, like I said, she definitely is just like, yeah, I know that my mom loves my brother and my dad loves my sister, and I'm on my own, and none of them care about me as much as they care about them.
00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:58.159
Like, oh shit.
00:35:58.480 --> 00:35:59.679
Such classic male job.
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:00.320
Yeah, for sure.
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:06.480
She mentions at one point that she wishes she had Melgren's Signet of being able to like see the outcome of battles.
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:14.400
That might have just been like a throwaway line where Rebecca just wanted to like point out Melgren's signet, you know, because she needs that information.
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:20.000
You know, they always try to find like sly ways of giving you backstory without doing a full recap.
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:29.360
Could have been, but again, if we think that maybe her dragon is not who it says it is and it's somebody in a familiar line, is she gonna end up with a second signet or already has one and we don't know about it?
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:40.239
And maybe not even hiding it from her sisters or whatever, but these scribes, Justinia, whoever is just not recording it.
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:40.480
Yeah.
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:43.440
Or not recording it correctly or writing it out completely or whatever.
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:52.079
The only thing that goes against that was her dragon specifically said that it is not bonded previously because it refuses to bear a writer who breaks under pressure.
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:52.639
Okay.
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.119
And then it's like like testing her to see like how far she'll go until she breaks.
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:01.119
Cuts the shit out of her leg, like straight up talon into the thigh.
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:02.639
So that's her bleeding moment.
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.960
And maybe Tiny is telling the truth and and Tiny's never had a recorded writer.
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:07.360
Maybe.
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:08.159
Or a writer.
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:10.239
Again, this is a recorded writer.
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.039
But it's still a descendant of whatever bloodline, you know, that's connected.
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:15.840
Could be.
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:23.920
Or at least like they've, you know, gotten together and have chosen her to be a part of something bigger in the future.
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:34.320
The only other big thing that came out of her POV was this mention of the other signets in their family line, which was big for multiple reasons.
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:44.000
It confirms that there were other writers in their family line, which I feel like we probably should have guessed, given the like lots of like, you know, mentions of the Sorengale line.
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:45.599
Like that can't just be from Lilith.
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:51.039
Like can't be like Lilith has created this notoriety of the Sorengale name from herself.
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:51.599
Right.
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:52.000
Yeah.
00:37:52.480 --> 00:38:02.320
We apparently have a grandmother that had a fire wielding signet and a great grandfather that could wield the tides.
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:06.719
Yeah, which seem like pretty good signets, like pretty powerful.
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:11.679
And then you've got Lilith with like the storm wielding.
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:12.559
I don't know.
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:13.519
It just was interesting.
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:18.079
Obviously, like Mira and Brennan, neither of theirs has anything to do with any sort of elemental magic.
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:18.880
Oh, as far as we know.
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:19.280
Right.
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:23.599
Anything to do with any sort of elemental magic, but I just thought that was like an interesting note.
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:37.039
But Mira mentions that whatever signet she gets, she's gonna use to protect those that she loves and those that her dragon loves, which I thought that was an interesting point, but also was foreshadowing to her signet of being able to ward.
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:37.760
Yeah.
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.519
And okay, so I feel like it's a lot of information there too.
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:48.239
I've I do think that the grandparents or great grandparents or whatever signets are there for a reason.
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:49.199
I think it's a clue.
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:53.840
And again, it could be, but even if it's just like, oh, yeah, they're all elemental.
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:55.440
It's like, okay, well, is that it?
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:55.760
Right.
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:57.519
I just don't always feel like that's it.
00:38:57.840 --> 00:38:58.719
There is something to it.
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:00.079
And maybe it's just information.
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:01.679
It's building on to something.
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.039
Well, just giving you the information about their family being writers.
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.679
Yeah, you go back at least however many generations that is.
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:08.239
Who were there?
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:09.440
Four generations.
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:09.840
Right.
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:10.239
Yeah.
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:13.039
Again, I I hope that we find out.
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:17.519
I don't know that we're going to find out all of it ever, I'm sure.
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:23.280
I feel like there's no way that every single bit of information comes to fruition.
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:32.000
I feel like if that were the case, then Rebecca would have to have like a set of encyclopedias worth of all the little Easter eggs and tidbits that she's got to connect at some point.
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:36.960
Yeah, you'd have to write a whole nother series to just explain all of the other stuff.
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:41.920
So I'm sure that some of these little pieces are just throwaway lines are just there.
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:46.320
But I think that equally as many are absolutely not.
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:47.440
I agreed.
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:48.239
Alright.
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:52.320
So the next chapter is Zaydon and Sega.
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:53.599
Zaydan and Segail.
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.480
Which again, you're like, oh shit, that's only the third chapter.
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:57.039
You know what I mean?
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:01.199
They kinda you would think that one would be a big one waiting for the end, but they're all so good.
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.039
I think they're in chronological order too, though.
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:03.840
Oh, is that what it is?
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:04.400
I think so.
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.760
Because it's like Brennan's was like, he was the first one to go through, then Mira.
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.079
Man, see, you're so much you're so smart.
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.280
Well, I I think that's I think she laid that out.
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:14.239
Yeah, good for you.
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:14.559
Not me.
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:15.760
I'm just like, man, crazy.
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:16.719
He's only the third one.
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:17.119
All right.
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.000
So Siguel, supposedly, 64 and has three recorded writers.
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:24.320
She's such a badass.
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:25.519
Maybe, yeah.
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.400
64, we're in 631 AU.
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:30.800
Is it more like 640?
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:31.440
I don't know.
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:32.960
I think we have things we need to think about.
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:33.840
But she is a badass.
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:41.920
She is so much so that on her, I guess, like calling card, whatever it is that they are, you know, showing the cadets ahead of time.
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:43.199
Or like flashcards or whatever?
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:47.199
Yeah, it says, do not approach under any circumstances.
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:51.840
It's like if you see this dragon, you better run the other fucking direction.
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.599
Yeah, there's dragons where they're like, yeah, this one likes this, and this one likes this.
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.000
And they flip Sigale's card and they're like, she doesn't like anything.
00:40:58.400 --> 00:40:58.639
Anything.
00:40:58.960 --> 00:40:59.920
She is going to fucking kill you.
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:00.800
She will kill you.
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:04.559
And in fact, she left one writer for dead for cowardice.
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:05.039
Mm-hmm.
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:09.119
And another she killed, apparently, didn't make it to graduation.
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:13.599
So she killed her own writer, which I don't feel like is something you hear of.
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:14.239
No.
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:17.039
And why I want to know what the real reasons are.
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:17.599
Why?
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:24.480
Cowardice could be cowardice for any that could be drawing power, cowardice, which Zaden does later, you know, whatever trying to channel.
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:26.239
Like it cowardice could mean anything.
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:30.880
But one of those has to be Zaydan's, well, now we know, grandfather.
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:31.360
Right.
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:31.760
Right?
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:32.320
Maybe.
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.960
Is that the left the rider for dead for cowardice?
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:35.119
Right?
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.760
But didn't actually be the one that was killed, and in which case, so many more questions there.
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:45.199
Or did he become Venom and he's one of those old dogs, and that was the cowardice she left him for dead for?
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:46.880
Like he turned and so she left.
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:47.599
I don't know.
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.880
I feel like that's that that it opened up a lot of questions for me.
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:54.880
And we kind of knew some of that, but we just hadn't really like dug in and put those pieces together.
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:55.280
Yeah.
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.440
Not that we have now, but we're trying.
00:41:57.760 --> 00:41:59.440
Well, don't approach no matter what.
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:00.400
Don't approach her.
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:11.119
So speaking of not approaching her, she's like gonna insert herself because Zaydan is in the process of killing Alec, who is the crown prince of Navarre at the time.
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:12.880
Yeah, which is the older brother.
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.599
Older brother of Arik, twin to Halden.
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:16.320
Yes.
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.039
And T total dickhead.
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:20.480
Yeah, so so much.
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:32.079
He's been bullying Garrick, and they get to the point where basically they're waiting for another marked one to show up so that Melgren can't see that they have been the ones to kill him, because obviously then they would face consequences.
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:37.760
So once that other marked one shows up, which was Mason, I think, they're able to move forward with killing him.
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:39.920
And at that point seemed real easy for him.
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:44.000
But there is another blue dragon there when that happens.
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.480
Yeah, I wonder who that blue dragon can be.
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:48.079
The blue dragon is Mulvik.
00:42:48.480 --> 00:43:05.199
And that explains a lot of pieces because it explains why he tells Arik in his POV that he's been seeking out his bloodline before and been disappointed, because it's like he's watching this interaction where Alec is trying to make Garrett get on his knees and it's like, I'm the prince, you're gonna do what I say, and all this stuff.
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:10.159
And Mulvik at that point kind of just like walks away, and they're like, Well, that was weird.
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.320
Like he was sitting like watching the interaction, and then he's like, fuck this, and it dips out.
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:14.960
Yeah, right.
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:26.800
So it's like Mulvik is obviously listen looking for some characteristic or whatever, and it was not whatever Alec had, which is apparently wasn't a bullying, like not good person.
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:38.719
It also explains because you know, no one knows who it was that killed Alec because you know, there Melgren wasn't able to see it and the the evidence was destroyed by Segale.
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:39.119
Yep.
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.440
So of course, of course, Segale's gonna help you hide bodies.
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:42.880
Yeah, nothing but a scorch mark.
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:43.599
Naturally.
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:44.880
Yeah, she's she's the best.
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:49.119
But somehow Arik knows, like right out the gate, that Zaydan was the one to kill Alec.
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.079
And that makes sense that Mulvik told him.
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:57.519
Yeah, I guess and Mulvik's probably just like, yep, and your brother was a piece of shit, and I watched it and was like, fuck him, I wouldn't help him either.
00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.760
Yeah, but somehow Arik still comes out of that.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.920
With like some beef or grudge against Aiden.
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:02.320
I'm not sure.
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:04.480
So I'm I'd be curious to see how that conversation went.
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:05.440
Yeah, me too.
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:12.719
There's a mention, of course, like that signet, you know, foreshadowing of him needing to know who knows their secrets.
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:16.239
They were worried that Kaori might, you know, be on to something.
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:21.280
Yeah, and like I said, so it's the dragon's magic that, you know, whatever powers your signet.
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:30.719
But I feel like in fourth one, they say, you know, your signet is powered by your dragon or whatever, but it still kind of comes to be out of whatever's needed at the time.
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:31.280
Right.
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:38.480
But it seems like is it what's needed, or like you've pointed out, like it's kind of directly related to who they are already.
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:46.400
And I I think that's a combination of a lot of things because Aiden's seems to be like the most specifically linked to like what he for sure needs.
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:46.719
Right.
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:50.719
And that was, you know, she mentioned that, especially with the intensity stuff.
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:52.960
Another tree watch situation.
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:54.719
They discussed meeting at that tree.
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:59.440
I'm pretty sure it's the one that they're meeting at in Fourth Wing when Violet's, you know, up in the tree.
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:02.320
Over here and um stuff like that.
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:03.679
They killed Alec.
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.679
Didn't feel like I got much out of that other than what we already talked about.
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:11.199
That seemed easy for them, and it seemed like an obvious reason to kill him.
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:20.559
Yeah, he was the worst, and they were kind of allowing him to bully him to a degree because they're just like we can't really respond, can't do much.
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.000
And then it got to the point where Zaydan's like, you know, okay.
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.920
I think we're good now, and kills him with it was anticlimatic.
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:29.280
It was very relative ease.
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:33.360
Yeah, Alec was like backing up and like, you know, was not capable of fighting for himself.
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:41.679
Sega scrapes Zaydan's face, gives him that scar that goes through his eyebrow that makes him dark and dangerous.
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:46.400
But yes, it makes him bleed, just like all the others have, but his is on his face.
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:48.239
Gotta be important, gotta be a part of it.
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:49.199
Gotta be important.
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:51.679
Sigale helps hide the bodies, of course she does.
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:52.480
She's the best.
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:57.440
And then she's telling him that he is the grandson of Maxim Ryerson.
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.519
And he's like, nah, I'm the grandson of Corbin Ryerson.
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:05.119
And that Maxim was his great uncle.
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:08.639
Which is his what he believes his grandfather's brother.
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:09.280
Right.
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:09.760
Okay.
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.280
And Segel's like, well, if your grandmother said so, I suppose.
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:13.920
Right.
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:15.599
Yeah.
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.920
Basically, Segale's like, grandma, not both those brothers.
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:20.639
Maybe.
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:30.320
I and that's what I'm assuming is the case, but like I guess went up with the pretenses of it seeming like Maxim was the grandfather.
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:36.079
But then this gets really complicated to me because I just don't understand it.
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:42.000
And I it might just be I'm not understanding it, and like it's it's plain as day, or if we just don't have all the pieces yet.
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:48.320
So Maxim and Corbin, brothers, grandfather and great uncle of some sort.
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:53.360
Seemingly like Maxim was the grandfather, Corbin was the great uncle, although Zaydan always thought it was the opposite.
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:56.960
His dad, Finn, was mentioned to be the oldest twin.
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:02.159
And then Zaydan like says that as like, but dad was like the oldest twin, dot dot dot.
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:03.679
And then she interrupts him.
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:09.840
And so what does the dad being the oldest twin have to do with who the grandfather was?
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:14.320
Yeah, so I think that's an important question.
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:20.079
Obviously, there's something going on with his familial line, and it if normally it wouldn't matter.
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:30.400
Like if he was the son of whatever the great grandfather, or the grandfather or the great uncle, like who gives a shit, unless there's a reason of importance that he's a descendant of that one of the other.
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:35.679
And it could be that just because one was the dragon of Segail and one wasn't, perhaps.
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:36.559
Perhaps.
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:41.280
Or what if, you know, again, these bloodlines, but it can only go to one person.
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.159
You know, you have multiple children or siblings.
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:51.119
Like if we're bonding a certain reason in a certain, you know, bloodline, a dragon can only pick one of them.
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:55.119
And is it because one is better suited, one's not, one's good, one's bad?
00:47:55.199 --> 00:48:02.159
Like I'm, you know, I'm I I think there you can make a whole nother series just from the dragons story, and I would be intrigued to read that.
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:12.480
Well, and we had said before that we felt like, you know, Zaydan's grandfather had to have been one of the ones that either she left for dead or killed, but I guess she had three previous ones.
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:14.320
So he could have been the one.
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:19.039
But I feel like they said at some point that Zaydan's grandfather was the one that didn't make it to graduation.
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:27.440
And is Sigale just bonding him just for shits and giggles because she knew what it would mean when she bonds his grandson later down the line?
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:36.239
Was grandfather and all previous writers all turned Venom because she's bad and she wanted Dayton to turn Venom?
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.800
And it's like specifically she does I don't know.
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:45.920
The only other thing that came I decided to search twins because I'm like, okay, what does this twin business have to do with it?
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:49.360
I would love to know if you had safe search on or off.
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:50.480
What do you mean?
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.360
I searched twins within the book.
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:54.719
Oh, on the internet.
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:57.440
No, that would be probably disastrous.
00:48:57.760 --> 00:48:57.920
Right.
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:03.599
But Zaydan's younger brothers, like the two that are his mom, like his half-brothers.
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:05.679
Yeah, I forgot about them, but yes, now I remember that.
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:06.639
Or twins.
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:07.679
Oh, yeah, that's right.
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:09.760
Twins kind of kept seeming to come up.
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:12.400
There weren't any other examples that I found really noteworthy.
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:16.719
Is there another example in this book where it's twin dragons that might be searching out twin writers?
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:18.239
So like that's weird.
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:19.760
But I don't know.
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.079
I feel like that can't be a coincidence why there's all these twins.
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.559
Like, are Corbin and Maxim twins too?
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:25.119
Right.
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:25.679
I don't know.
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.639
If it's not mentioned in there, then I guess we just don't know.
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.719
But yeah, that is very odd.
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:38.000
And I know that twins run like more likely in, you know, generations or whatever.
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:43.039
Like if your mother is a twin or your grand, you know, you have a higher probability of having twins or something, right?
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:43.760
I've always heard that.
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:44.559
I don't know if that's a fact.
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:52.639
Well, and that's where it kind of gets a little convoluted because if the dad, Finn, was a twin, you know, that seems like it's coming from his side.
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:54.639
Well, it's supposed to skip a generation.
00:49:54.800 --> 00:50:01.360
Well, and then the mom is having children with, we assume, someone else, these two younger brothers, and they're twins.
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:03.360
So then that would be like from her line.
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:04.000
I don't know.
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:05.119
It it might be nothing.
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:05.599
Okay.
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:06.400
It might be everything.
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.320
We're on twin watch at twin watching.
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:10.880
Like we're just looking at everything.
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:11.360
Okay.
00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:23.599
So Sigale mentions that Taryn is gonna have to live with her decision to choose Zaiden, and that she suspects one day she'll have to live with his decision, which of course she does because he chooses Violet.
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:27.360
And she initially thinks Violet is weak and like unworthy.
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:34.000
Yeah, doesn't seem to be on board, which is weird because again, all of this stuff seems so predetermined.
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:45.039
So it seems odd that Segill wouldn't have automatically been on board with him choosing Violet if they already know like who is being chosen and who's gonna be a part of this next one.
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:46.400
Well, we don't know if that was bullshit.
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:48.000
That was just Cynia's writing.
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:49.440
Like, we don't know what the real story was.
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:50.559
That is facts.
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:52.480
That is an excellent point to point out.
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:54.559
We don't know that that's how she felt.
00:50:55.199 --> 00:51:03.920
And at the end, Zaydan is like, hey, I'm gonna burn this place to the fucking ground, and includes like the hatching grounds, and Segail was like, let's do it.
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:05.920
Yeah, which is like Venon-ish.
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:06.880
Venom-ish.
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:07.280
Right?
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:10.079
Because like that's what the venom are trying to do is get to the hatching grounds.
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:11.599
And trying to steal the magic from it.
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:13.760
So why Sega would be on board with it?
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:14.719
Yeah, let's do that.
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:23.519
Maybe it's because she knows that they're gonna be able to make the other hatching grounds in Erasia eventually, so she's okay, but did they mean like everywhere?
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:24.079
Who knows?
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:33.280
Yeah, you don't know if it's just because he wants the magic and the power and the wards and all that good stuff at erasure for his people who seem to be like the good side of the stuff.
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:35.920
Yeah, and he's like okay with burning Navarre to the ground.
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:41.039
Or if it's like in general and the Venom come in and take over, you know, you don't know which one he's really talking about.
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:41.679
Guess what?
00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:42.880
What we don't fucking know.
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:44.239
No, we don't know again.
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.480
We need the merch that says we don't know shit.
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:47.599
We don't know shit about shit.
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:48.719
We clearly don't.
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:58.960
Yeah, if I can figure it out, again, our store has still one item on it that have not gone live because it's really hard to design things uh when you don't know how to design things.
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.159
So we don't know shit about shit coming soon to you.
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:02.719
All right.
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:07.440
Next chapter is Garrick's Garrick's chapter and Trodos.
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:08.000
Crad.
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:09.280
I'm gonna say Crad.
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:09.760
Okay.
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:10.800
That's how I would pronounce it.
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:11.840
Crad H.
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.079
Listen, total bullshit.
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.960
Age of this dragon is 27 with zero riders.
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:17.679
False.
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:18.480
Ain't no way.
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:18.960
No way.
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:19.519
Ain't no way.
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.480
And that's clear, and that that's even that's not just us saying ain't no way.
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:24.079
Like that's that's in the on the pages.
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:25.519
Yeah, read the read the book.
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:26.719
It says that's not the case.
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:27.440
That's not the case.
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:27.760
Yep.
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:29.280
So alright, tell us a little bit about Garrick.
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:38.159
So Garrick's dad said when he was leaving to go fight this final battle, that Zaydan is Tyrandoor's pride and he must live.
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:41.519
Tyrandoor only star survives if he does.
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:47.119
And maybe that's just, you know, like because he's the prat's or whatever.
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:48.320
The Duke.
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:49.599
Yeah, Duke, whatever, square.
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:50.480
Whatever that is.
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:51.760
Maybe there's more to that.
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:59.280
But seemed like the dad was like, you've got to take over protecting Zaiden, like at the cost of even your own life, it seemed like.
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:07.840
So their parents' generation apparently knew everything about everything, but didn't share anything about shit with any of their kids.
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:08.960
And then went off to die.
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:10.800
And Justinia just doesn't want us to know.
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:12.559
Also true, because you can't trust shit.
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.920
And we don't get enough of Zaydan's POV to know what he really knows.
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:19.920
Like we're we're getting mostly Violet's POV, and Violet does not know shit.
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:21.360
She does not do shit.
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:24.800
That's that is something that we know for sure is that Violet knows absolutely nothing.
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:25.199
Yeah.
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:26.480
Dumbass.
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:32.880
Like you said, he hears the voice of a much older dragon, and he was excited about hearing this older dragon.
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.800
Talks about wanting an older dragon, talks about the voice being older.
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:38.000
Like it's a good one.
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:39.039
Specifically, yeah.
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:46.800
You know, he's been feeling the pool since they entered the threshing field, but he wanted to make sure Zaydan was good and he wanted to make sure Mason was good.
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:50.480
He's looking out for everybody else because he knows his dragon's out there waiting for it.
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:54.639
And I think it's like, yeah, I don't want a young one because I need an older dragon.
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:55.039
Yeah.
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.119
And like again, it's a whole thing if you read it.
00:53:57.199 --> 00:53:58.400
He wants his older dragon.
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:03.360
And there's this random mention, and I this again may have been something in a previous book.
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:04.960
I do not remember it at all.
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:15.840
He says that he got his mom out of erasia before the Navarians came for them and was preventing them from the same fate that everybody else's parents ended up meeting.
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:18.159
So does that mean Garrick's mom is alive somewhere?
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:19.519
Do we know that?
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:22.960
I don't remember if we knew that.
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:24.239
I don't think I did.
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:25.840
I feel like that would have been big news.
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:28.639
I think the assumption was that all of their parents were burkings.
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:29.360
Yeah.
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.000
And Garrick's mom is potentially out there somewhere.
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.159
And that And where did he get her to?
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:36.159
Well, he's a distance wielder.
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:38.400
So he Well, but he wasn't then.
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:38.800
Yeah, right.
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:39.760
He wasn't then.
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:40.880
Or was he?
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:41.599
You know?
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:43.760
No, because he hadn't mounted a dragon yet.
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:45.440
According to Jacendia Card, we don't know shit.
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:45.920
We don't know shit.
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:46.639
You can't trust anything.
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.039
Well, even according to this POV, technically, he had nothing.
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:49.599
Okay, that's true.
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:49.920
That's true.
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:50.400
That's true.
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:51.039
Okay, you're right.
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:57.599
But who knows where she is, who knows when she's gonna pop around a corner, but I think she's absolutely coming.
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:02.400
He talks a lot about this intense love for Imogen.
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:08.400
And we knew that there was this, you know, relationship between Garrick and Imogen.
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:09.679
But not like this.
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:10.880
But not to this level.
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:17.280
I definitely don't feel like I was aware that Garrick was madly in love with her and had been since he was nine years old.
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:20.719
Yeah, since they were children and she like punched him in the face and broke his nose or something.
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.840
Yeah, and that i I don't know, it doesn't come across as strongly.
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.079
But again, we're getting mostly Violet's POV.
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:31.760
So Yeah, but it's even like Zaydan and him at some point are like talking about it and like waiting for her to come and how much he loves her.
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:33.039
Yeah.
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:43.920
I don't you look at Imogen as such like this hard outer shell or whatever from the first time you meet her, it's hard to to kind of see that even through Onyx Storm where you really get to see her more.
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:47.920
But yeah, I definitely didn't know that Garrick's been in love with her since they were small kids.
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:49.199
No, I didn't either.
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:59.360
And I I guess maybe that's because of Imogen's like harder outer shell and she's the one being like, no, we can't be together, and you know, that comes through in her POV, but And she's not talking to Jacinia about it.
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:00.239
Maybe.
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:12.960
So I I definitely was a little bit surprised at at how intense this this relationship seemed to be to the point where he Signet foreshadowing says he would do anything to be able to travel to her quickly.
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:18.400
Again, is that just fun for us to be like, oh, that's cool, it's a foreshadowing she did that because she's like, Oh, they'll like that.
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.039
Yeah, he got his distance wielding signet so he could go see Imogen.
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:26.400
Or is it a reason that they feel these things and they get to, you know.
00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:31.519
It certainly seems like he doesn't use his distance wielding signet to be able to go see her.
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:33.119
At least RP of you.
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:37.440
Because by the time she gets there the next year, she's like, You left and never say goodbye.
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:38.159
Right.
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:44.960
His dragon says that he has chosen to involve himself with your kind again.
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:45.519
Yeah.
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:47.599
Which again, he's like, What do you mean?
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:48.880
You don't have any writers, you're 27.
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:50.960
You're too young for that.
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.960
And he even says something like, Finally, you know, just several mentions.
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:58.400
And then that's when Garrick is like, Oh, you're only 27.
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:00.079
He said, What even is a year?
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:00.719
Right.
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:02.000
Which goes to your point.
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:02.960
How old is he?
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:04.000
How fucking old are these?
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:05.199
What even is a year?
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:06.239
What even is a year?
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:06.559
Right.
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:08.400
Your year is like my minute.
00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:11.360
Again, he could be 500 years old.
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:14.320
And clearly has experience.
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:24.320
We don't get any background as to who his writers were, but certainly evidence that perhaps that was maybe another familial line situation.
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:32.000
Just like I'm willing to spend money on certain things that other people might be like, why would anybody want that?
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:46.719
If you made the like encyclopedia or whatever thing you were talking about, like just the whole Wicca fandom, whatever, it had all this information at the end, like, alright, here's you know, our next chapter's gonna be Dane and Kurt Cure or whatever his name is.
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:50.079
Like, here's Cure's whole story, like the real story from how old they are.
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:51.119
Like, I would I would buy that.
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:57.280
Well, you just certainly not gonna come out until at the very end everything the whole series is over.
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:00.320
So, like I said, Dane and Cure or whatever.
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:11.199
Yeah, I think Rebecca's setting herself up for for lots of lots of income for future years because she can just keep putting out background stuff similar to like JK Rowling and Harry Potter thing.
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:17.039
Like then you're able to do the Fantastic Beast and spin-offs and you know dumbasses like us are like, yeah, take my money.
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:17.760
Yeah.
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:22.800
So I think that we can maybe potentially again okay, Dane and Cure.
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:24.320
Cure is supposed to be 89.
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:25.119
That's old.
00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:29.199
We think what even is a year, with two recorded riders.
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:37.039
It seems like the people that we're like, they're not on, they're not on our side, like the Danes of the world have the older dragons and like let the previous writers.
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:43.760
See, I don't know though, because I think that cure is on the side of the rebellion, personally.
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:46.239
Okay, and maybe not started out that way.
00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:46.639
Right.
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:52.000
Obviously, this point of view from Dane is when he was a Codex loving motherfucker.
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:53.840
Yeah, and true.
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:56.719
And before you're like, oh, I hate Dane, which I mean, fuck Dane.
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:03.119
It is definitely when I read it, I was I wasn't even telling you, I was like disgusted because I was like, oh, it's a redemption arc.
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:07.360
Like it's uh they're trying to make them look good and like make you understand them more.
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:08.159
They are.
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:13.840
They definitely are trying to make you understand, like from his point of view, why he made the decisions that he made.
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:19.679
I personally don't think it necessarily changes anything, but yeah, like for you, like how you feel about him.
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:27.039
Yeah, I mean, I feel like the same way I do feel about him with all of the redemption things that's happened to him throughout the last few, you know.
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:32.000
Like, yeah, I get that he is a flawed person, he's trying to do the right thing.
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:40.400
I think that he's going to become like a you know character who He just seemed to trust all the worst people all the time.
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:43.440
Well, mainly just his dad, and that's a tough situation.
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:44.960
Was the torturer?
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:45.679
Torture.
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:46.880
Oh yeah.
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:48.079
I forget his fucking name.
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:49.280
Not pancheck.
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:49.920
No.
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:51.119
Come on, y'all.
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:52.159
Tell me the answer.
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:52.960
You know the answer.
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:54.719
They'll they're probably not using it.
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:56.000
Yeah, y'all are like, oh, you idiot.
00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:56.559
Yeah.
00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:58.400
So that fucking guy, that was the big one.
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:11.440
But again, all of it comes back to his dad, and apparently his dad was raising him as somewhat of a single dad, which makes it even more of a situation where he would have this bond with his dad because his mom left.
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:13.280
Where the fuck is Dane's mom?
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:14.719
Where is Dane's mom?
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:18.800
Don't think I even remembered thinking about Dane's mom.
01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:21.760
I don't think I questioned where Dane's mom was.
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:31.920
I just assumed that she was like some trophy wife that was sitting at home while she's like bacon bread and she's like well, Dane's dad is like out, you know, committing atrocities.
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:34.719
And she apparently was not.
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:36.800
She apparently was like, fuck this dude.
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:40.079
I'm leaving him and my son was writing to Dana.
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:42.480
Because immediately when I saw that, I was like, oh, she's dead.
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:43.280
Like he killed her.
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:44.639
Like this is like Melgran.
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:45.519
Okay.
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:47.679
Like not Melgren, but Dane's dad, Atos.
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:50.880
Killed her for sure.
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:51.920
Like she's gone to dead.
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:56.239
Still think that might be the case because she stopped writing to Dane a year ago.
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:57.840
A year before his threshing.
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:03.440
Well, yeah, and thinks that because he decided to go into the writer's quadrant or whatever, suspect is fuck.
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:03.760
Yeah.
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:06.719
Similar to Zaidan's mom situation.
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:10.239
I feel like like there's a little bit of parallels there.
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:12.079
I feel like it's weird.
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:13.679
Dane's mom's gonna come back.
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:15.039
Everybody's mom's gonna come back up.
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:15.280
Yeah.
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:16.800
Where are all these moms?
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:18.079
Where are all the moms?
01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:18.639
Mom watch.
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:20.000
You should Google that too.
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:22.880
I am curious, though.
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:24.880
Yeah, okay, so Dane's mom could be dead.
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:25.599
She could be dead.
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:26.800
I don't think so, though.
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:35.679
I think it is more of she also knows the truth, is aware of the truth, and she it's like a lot of these people are happening to pick sides.
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:38.639
We're only getting information from Justinia about people talking.
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:40.960
There's all of this stuff that we really don't know.
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:45.440
I take it just as she's gone because she's on the correct side of things.
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:50.480
Well, maybe but then she left Dane there to just be with the dad.
01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:51.840
Maybe she just couldn't get him out.
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:53.599
She was just like, there's no way for me to get him out.
01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:59.119
And Dane at that time, remember he's been traveling with his dad forever, right?
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:05.679
Like new Violet from way way back in the day, because her parents are military riders flying around together, you know, whatever.
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:06.480
I don't know.
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:07.599
I it is weird.
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:16.239
So Colonel Atos has been stalking Dane like this whole time, like showing it up all his classes, just like not like helicopter parents.
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:27.679
And even to the point where he says he spoke to his own dragon on Dane's behalf and really seems to want him to bond a green dragon.
01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:28.159
Yeah.
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:34.559
And Dane already, for whatever reason he doesn't get into, says he's he's thinking about a red.
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:35.039
Yep.
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:36.239
I don't know why that is.
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:37.760
Certainly he ends up with a red.
01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:41.440
Well, it seems like for again, like whatever reason, we don't know.
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:44.320
He's just like, everybody thinks I should have a green.
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:48.000
My dad says there's a green waiting for him, but I'm I'm gonna go against, I'm gonna get a red.
01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:52.000
I'm gonna like it seems like he's trying to prove a point, like kind of rebel a little bit.
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:55.840
Well, and I think that that's ultimately what's happening with his dragon.
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:57.920
I think that his dragon is testing him.
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:05.679
Like Kath even says, like, what truly holds your allegiance, and he's testing to see if he'll go against his dad's wishes.
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:06.079
Right.
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.199
Because he gets ends up with a red and a green together.
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:09.679
Yeah.
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:10.880
And he picks the red.
01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:18.400
And Kath is like, yeah, like I wanted to know that you're gonna go against he even like calls his dad, you're gonna go against your dad, like your commanding officer.
01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:22.960
Like he needed to know, Kath needed to know that Dane was willing to do that before he'd be willing to bond with him.
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:26.320
Yeah, your allegiance is not gonna be to your dad, your allegiance is gonna be to me.
01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:26.880
Yeah.
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:33.840
And the dad again trying to explain why Dane did what he did with the whole Athbean situation.
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:39.199
The dad makes him watch out for any breaches of the codex from the marked ones.
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:41.119
So he's like, you've gotta be looking out for that.
01:03:41.199 --> 01:03:43.840
And Dane's like, Well, they would be handled by their chain of command.
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:45.679
And the dad's like, No, you fucking don't make.
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:47.519
Yeah, you tell me directly how about that.
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:50.400
So that obviously sets the scene for that.
01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:52.719
And again, he trusts that implicitly.
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:58.079
Yeah, and when you read he's a young man, his dad has been very tough on him.
01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:02.960
He's trying to prove himself he wants his dad's approval and respect, especially as a writer.
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:06.719
Like he wants to earn it himself and show that he can do it without his dad's help.
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:07.440
And yeah.
01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:11.440
And again, you understand, and if it's real life, you totally get it.
01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:13.840
But Dane can eat a dick.
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:20.400
Well, he gets hurt, just like all of them do, trying to help somebody, climbing a tree, for the record.
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:24.079
He's climbing a tree, someone else's climbing a tree, tree watch, and blood watch.
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:32.559
They mention he has a red welt across his palm, and that both his palms begin to throb, but also mentioned like bleeding at some point.
01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:37.440
Yeah, when I s when I saw the palms thing, for whatever reason, my immediate thought was runes.
01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:37.840
Yeah.
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:39.920
And I guess that's because of Brennan's hand.
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:40.320
Uh-huh.
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:43.440
But it just the way I read it, I was just like, oh, runes.
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:44.400
It has something to do with runes.
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:49.199
But getting Kurt on the hand seems to be a very common theme.
01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:51.440
Like a lot of them are getting heart on their hand.
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:56.079
I think Brennan's was his forearms, Aiden's was his face, Mira's was her thigh.
01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:05.119
Dane starts the track of what seems like most of the rest of them at the from this point forward, their their injury was their hand.
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:06.320
Blood Brothers.
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:07.280
Blood Brothers.
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:08.800
Also, guess who shows up?
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:09.679
Tell me.
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:10.320
Mulvik.
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:11.280
Motherfucking Mulvik.
01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:12.159
Mulvik just skirting on.
01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:12.559
Just watching.
01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:13.679
Just watching.
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.119
Just just skirting on by.
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:16.320
Again, but like, isn't it?
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.519
These signets and these dragons and what they produce has to have a link too.
01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:24.719
And Mulvik's just all over, always seeing every he just happens to be at all of these places at all times.
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:26.559
Yeah, he's just something something's up.
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:27.679
He's just there.
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:28.559
I'm just saying.
01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:30.559
I'm just saying Mulvik showed up.
01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:30.880
So.
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:32.559
Yeah, Mulvik showed up again.
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:33.920
Alright, so on to the next one.
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:35.280
We have another marked one.
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:39.280
It is everybody's likely next Venom, Bodie.
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:40.000
Bodhi.
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:40.960
And Cure.
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:41.920
Cure, sure.
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:45.119
And Cure is maybe fifty-nine with one previous writer.
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:45.840
Maybe.
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:46.400
Yep.
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:51.119
So we all know that Bodhi is I would say eighty percent the next Venom, right?
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:52.000
The Venom brother.
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:57.199
I think that this chapter definitely makes that a higher possibility.
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:05.519
I think that we had lots of different ideas, but Bodhi's inferiority complex just shines in this chapter.
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:07.599
And to the point where it was almost uncomfortable.
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:12.800
Like I was uncomfortable for Zaydan in those conversations because Bodhi's like, well, I'll never be you.
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:14.159
I'm not going to be amazing as you.
01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:16.880
And then Zaiden's just like, Well, yeah, like you're not me.
01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:20.800
Yeah, but you're like Bodhi, just put on a little muscle and you'll be fine, Dan.
01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:25.360
Like, but he is very much stacking himself up against Zaydan in every way.
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:29.440
It doesn't seem like it's just related to the physical aspect though.
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:36.559
Like he's like, Zaydan's a better like motivator, and it just so many areas in which he finds himself inferior to Zaiden.
01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:43.599
And I feel like that absolutely would be good evidence for why he would be the one that ends up needing to draw power.
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:44.000
Yeah.
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:44.639
For the Ben.
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:47.199
Including when the majority of it.
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:48.159
Dragon says at the end.
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:48.639
We'll get to that.
01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:49.280
Okay.
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:49.760
All right.
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:54.719
He says three different times Durands don't go back on their word.
01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:56.239
I don't know what that means.
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.000
I just thought it was important because he kept saying it.
01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:02.159
I feel like if you say in in these chapters, some of them are longer than others.
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:03.679
Some of them aren't all that long.
01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:05.199
None of them are super crazy.
01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:12.159
But I feel like if you say the same thing three times in one chapter, there there's likely significance to it.
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:13.199
So gotta be.
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:14.880
Yeah, Durands don't go back on their word.
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:20.320
And again, more to all of this background of these parents who seem to know shit.
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:25.519
Um he's like telling him over and over again, like Durands don't go back on their word.
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:34.000
Also, you know, another mentions of like him sticking with Zaydan and them being brothers and needing to stick together and he's gonna balance Zaydan out.
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:36.159
Uh none of this stuff is coincidence.
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:36.559
Right.
01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:39.519
Um, his dragon is also already chosen for him.
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:40.719
Siguel said so.
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:44.159
Yeah, Sigil's like, we already we got that handle, don't worry, just walk out in the valley.
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:45.519
And Bodie's pissed about that.
01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:48.880
He's like, I don't want to go with the dragon, it's you picked for me.
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:50.239
I want to pick my own dragon.
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:51.920
So guess you who he tries to pick.
01:07:52.239 --> 01:07:52.960
It can't be.
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:54.079
It can't be Molvik.
01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:55.039
It can't be Mulvik.
01:07:55.119 --> 01:07:56.079
And Mulvik took that will.
01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:57.360
No, Mulvik did not.
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.000
Mulvik was like, fuck you, I'm gonna burn you to the ground.
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:02.079
Which I think is also interesting.
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:06.159
Because Mulvik seemed like he was willing to kill Bodie.
01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:06.880
Yeah, yeah.
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:13.679
It it it very much appeared that if cure or whatever didn't show up, Bodhi was going to die.
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:14.000
Right.
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:15.679
It was not like a No.
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:22.560
And so like Mulvik obviously might not be fully in line with all these dragons that the marked ones are getting.
01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:25.600
Maybe, or is it yeah, I don't know.
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:27.279
Because is Movik good?
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:28.239
I don't know.
01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:29.840
Because we think Arik is good.
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:30.479
Maybe.
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:31.680
But is Arik good?
01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:32.159
I don't know.
01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:33.359
Because Mulvik might not be good.
01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:38.239
Mulvik definitely is newsworthy, noteworthy, he's in every chapter.
01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:39.920
He's in every chapter.
01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:40.960
He keeps showing up.
01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:46.399
We all feel like Arik is going to be a more important character, whether that be good or bad, we don't know.
01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:46.880
Yeah.
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:48.880
But something the fuck is up.
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:50.880
Something the fuck is up.
01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:52.239
And coffee cup idea?
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:52.880
T-shirts?
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:53.920
Something the fuck is up.
01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:54.479
Hey, shout out.
01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:56.800
Send me a send me a message if you like.
01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:57.760
What's the quote again?
01:08:58.159 --> 01:08:58.960
Something the fuck is up.
01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:00.880
If you'd like something the fuck is up, let me know.
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:03.840
I'd love to add a second product to our upcoming store.
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:06.399
That will none be suitable for work.
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:09.520
No, that's that's not the type of stuff that we're children.
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:09.760
Yeah.
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:19.039
So yes, cure saves them from meeting his untimely end with Mulvik, and at some point he's bleeding from trying to climb up cure.
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:19.760
So again.
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:20.479
Blood watch.
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:21.199
Blood watch.
01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:22.800
And climb climb watch.
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:24.319
Climbing up the dragon.
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:24.640
Yeah.
01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:25.279
Climb watch.
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:35.600
And then Mulvik, or not not Mulvik, Cure says, I will choose you every day until your death or your demise.
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:37.439
Interesting phrase.
01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:38.960
Interesting way to end that.
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:41.039
Bodhi's like, aren't those the same thing?
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:41.439
Yeah.
01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:42.720
Guess what, Bodie?
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:43.600
Maybe not.
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:44.079
Yeah.
01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:44.880
No answer really.
01:09:45.359 --> 01:10:01.520
So does that mean that if Cure is going to choose him until his death or demise, if we are assuming that his demise is him drawing from the source and becoming a venom, that Cure is like, Deuces, dude, we're no longer together.
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:03.600
Because Segel did not do that.
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:04.159
Right.
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:09.920
It is very hard to tell, like I said, who's good, who's bad.
01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:21.920
Or it does not appear that all dragons are on the same side of things or in the same agreement, is that the break in the Arasian and Navarian.
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:24.640
Yeah, we really don't know what the differences are.
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:29.359
I don't know, because the Gale sticks with Zaydan when he turns Venom.
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:31.199
Whether, you know, we don't know why.
01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:31.359
Yeah.
01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:35.680
We don't know, like, you know, it certainly seems like there is some conflict uh within that.
01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:37.119
Will Cure stay with Bodhi?
01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:38.560
But will Cure stay with Bodie?
01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:39.359
We'll find out.
01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:40.000
We'll find out.
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:43.520
In that it's you know, assuming that Bodhi is the brother who is turned Venom.
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:48.319
We're assuming certainly seems like Maybe we'll find out in May.
01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:49.600
I doubt it.
01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:52.000
So I doubt it too, but hopefully.
01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:53.840
Alright, next up is Imogene.
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:54.479
Mm-hmm.
01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:59.359
Imogene is, you know, in America we're gonna call Glane.
01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:01.920
I'm sure that is Lane's not Glane.
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:06.399
No, no, but that's probably not how you even pronounce that.
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:09.359
But Glane supposedly is 19.
01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:11.359
Yeah, right and has no writers.
01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:12.399
False.
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:14.000
And then bonded Imogen.
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:15.039
I'm not buying that.
01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:16.479
Absolutely not.
01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:25.920
So Emogene mentions that even from when Kaori was teaching them about the dragons, that he projects this orange dagger tail that should be dead.
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:27.359
Right, which is Glane.
01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.960
But Glane uh is not Glane.
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:32.399
And Imogen recognizes it.
01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:34.319
Immediately, she's like, yeah, it's not right away.
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:36.239
Why should the dragon be dead, though?
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:37.039
That's my question.
01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:40.000
Is what happened in that situation?
01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:52.560
If you have one confirmed dragon changing their name and age and history and being able to get back to the Rider Squadrant and choose riders over and over, there's no reason to suspect that all of them question for you.
01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:52.880
Okay.
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:54.479
And I don't know if we have an answer for this.
01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:54.880
Okay.
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:55.600
I love questions.
01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:05.119
What happened to their dragons?
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:06.159
We know.
01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:07.680
I don't know.
01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:09.760
So is that why it's supposed to be dead?
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:11.439
Because their dragons were killed?
01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:11.920
Right.
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:21.920
Maybe it was just in battle the dragons and the riders fought until their death, and then the ones who were executed, when they were executed, their dragons died from the broken from their riders being killed.
01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:23.600
Yeah, but that's not supposed to always happen.
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:25.199
Like sometimes it does, but not usually.
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:28.239
Like the dragons supposed to be able to survive it.
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:32.399
So they were just like, well, the dragons, like that we can't do fuck shit to them.
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:37.600
Maybe the dragons flew off and they're like, well, some of them will die and some of them didn't, some of them die.
01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:38.399
I don't know.
01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:38.800
Ah.
01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:40.479
Good question.
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:46.800
But that's why I'm wondering if that's why she assumed that she should be dead was because they were supposed to have been killed in some way, shape, or possibly.
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:47.920
I don't know.
01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:58.079
But craziest business of them all, Imogen's POV truly was to me the wildest of all of them because of what happened to her and the fact that we didn't know any of this.
01:12:58.319 --> 01:12:58.560
Right.
01:12:58.640 --> 01:12:58.800
Okay.
01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:09.199
That her dragon has hovered close to her mind since presentation, hovered so closely, in fact, that she could switch to a mental pathway if she wanted to.
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:12.960
So she could already start talking to her dragon mind to mind.
01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:21.520
Because she went to bed after presentation with her dragon relic on her thigh.
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:23.359
Yeah, she it was already.
01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:25.199
She had already bonded.
01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:28.880
Or is this just the the important is Imogen?
01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:34.880
When we talk about all the important ones, uh what's gotta be Ark and Violet and Zaydan and Bodie and Garrick and all that.
01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:35.279
All of them.
01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:35.439
Right.
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:35.840
They're all important.
01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:36.479
They're all important.
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:38.479
And I feel like some of them are becoming like like Garrick.
01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:39.439
But some are specifically.
01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:43.439
After you and I read Garrick's chapter, you and I both said there's more to Garrick than we.
01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:44.000
Yeah.
01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:45.439
And I think Imogen's the same.
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:46.239
I think so too.
01:13:46.479 --> 01:13:48.560
So there's they're all important, sure.
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:55.199
But there is in my mind six or seven specific ones that I am searching for.
01:13:55.359 --> 01:14:02.720
I think that it all is a replay, like the original six dragons, and really there's a seventh, and six riders, which means really there's probably a seventh.
01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:14.800
I feel like the descendant thing, the familial line thing, it's all just pointed at specific dragons and specific riders, you know, being even more important or whatever.
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:26.399
And either way, it it's obviously we have a dragon that's supposed to be dead that's not, that's lying about their name and their age that is bonding Imogen, but Imogen's already had this bond since before Threshing.
01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:33.680
Like none of that makes sense unless there is some sort of power or connection that is extremely important or, you know.
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:41.600
Well, and it Imogen's dragon seems to be the one that speaks the most in favor of the rebellion specifically.
01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:53.439
So I'm wondering if literally this dragon, Glaine, you know, which is her grandmother's dragon, was actually one of the ones that actively fought in the rebellion, and that's why she has these such strong feelings.
01:14:53.680 --> 01:14:59.680
Because at some point she says that she needs to end her relationship with Quinn, who's a Navarian.
01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:02.159
She's like, you've got to not be friends with her anymore.
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:02.800
Yeah.
01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:07.039
And does her dragon ever say why she wants her to end the relationship with Quinn?
01:15:07.359 --> 01:15:08.319
Because she's a Navarian.
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:08.880
But that's it.
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:11.359
Like, no specific, just her where she's from.
01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:18.720
That like her ancestors or her like, you know, family, or it was some of the ones that killed members of the rebellion, basically.
01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:19.199
Okay.
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:22.720
But then imagines at Quinn didn't have anything to do with that.
01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:25.920
Random mention, tree watch.
01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:27.119
Okay, tree watch.
01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:27.439
Yep.
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:38.239
She mentioned trees of fall, trees in Tor Tyrandor, but specifically the trees in Deaconshire, which is her home, that have like trees that drop leaves in the autumn.
01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:43.920
Yeah, that's right, because the dragon said that something like, Oh, I thought you liked these, or was that her dragon that made the comment?
01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:45.680
Liam's makes that comment.
01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:46.319
Okay, I gotcha.
01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:51.520
And she picks up a magenta leaf with five points and says that it reminds her of like her mother.
01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:51.840
Wow.
01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:53.439
It's like it was her favorite color or something.
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:54.720
So yeah, tree watch, right?
01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:55.680
Weird stuff to bring up.
01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:56.000
Okay.
01:15:56.479 --> 01:16:01.840
She has this interaction with Garrick, and he tells her that she's looking for the dragon Glane.
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:07.279
He doesn't seem to know like the backstory about Glane, though, and that Glane isn't really Glane.
01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:07.760
Right.
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:21.920
He says that Kraud told him and Sagale told Ryerson, and they rarely regr agree on anything, so you could trust like the sources, which I didn't know who he was talking about there, where he said that they rarely agree on anything.
01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:23.760
Was he talking about Kraud and Segael?
01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:25.119
That's how I took it, yeah.
01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:26.159
I I assume.
01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:26.640
I don't know.
01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:27.680
I just thought that was interesting.
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:28.399
It is.
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:34.960
And then the relationship that Garrett and Zayden have together, you would think that they're dragons, you would want them on the same page with stuff.
01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:36.479
I don't think Sagale agrees with anybody.
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:38.000
Yeah, I don't think she might be her own fucking brother.
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:42.960
I think Segael is just like, hey, I do what I want, and Taryn kind of listens to me, but that's about it.
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:46.319
Yeah, she's like, I am the most badass dragon on the continent.
01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:46.800
Uh-huh.
01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:49.600
So I'll kill whoever I want inside with whatever I want.
01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:50.239
That's fair.
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:50.880
Yeah, that's fair.
01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:52.079
He's gonna tell her not to go girl.
01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:52.640
That's right.
01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:55.920
Uh so Glaine starts channeling to her before they've ever even flown.
01:16:56.159 --> 01:16:58.640
She just straight up is like, girl, you're not gonna get a choice.
01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:01.680
Here's the magic that I'm gonna to give to you.
01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:09.760
And in the process of that, Imogen cuts her palm and bleeds with her own fingernail.
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:13.119
Like she squeezes her hand so tight that she she cuts her palm.
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:17.119
Yeah, again, weird, like that has to be important.
01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:23.359
The blood thing, it it's it would be too odd for it not to be, the fact that it's brought up every single time.
01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:24.239
I agree.
01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:31.840
And then Glaine tries to torch Quinn and this petrified tree that gets brought up.
01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:45.920
So this gets brought up at the beginning of uh Imogen's chapter where she talks about this petrified tree that was split in half by a lightning strike ages ago from the lightning wielder that was in their ranks back then.
01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:50.479
Yeah, but and how far back in their ranks is she talking about?
01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:55.840
She said ages ago, but I also thought that that was not enough of an explanation.
01:17:56.239 --> 01:18:02.239
Right, because I think that's the thing, it's like we haven't had a lightning wielder in a century, right?
01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:08.000
Like that's the fourth wing thing, same thing with like the shadow wheel and haven't had the you know, wheelder this powerful in a century.
01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:13.600
Yeah, that doesn't seem like ages ago is a century, but maybe maybe their version of ages is the same.
01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:15.680
But I think you're talking 600 years ago.
01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:19.199
Tree watch, lightning wielder watch, all the things.
01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:23.279
So Glen is apparently the first dragon, not Glane.
01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:29.119
But Glane, not Glane, is the first dragon that Imogen's grandmother introduced her to when she was five.
01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:32.880
And she says Glane's kill count is zero.
01:18:33.039 --> 01:18:38.800
So it was one point that Glane's like, oh, I have, you know, killed all of these dragon or all I have all of these kills.
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:40.239
Somebody's got thousands of kills.
01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:43.359
And she's like, actually, Glane's kill count is zero.
01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:44.880
And I thought that was really funny.
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:48.159
It is funny because Glaine's like, no, that's not me.
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:48.800
I'm Glaine.
01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:49.600
I'm 19.
01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:52.000
And Imogen's like, I recognize you.
01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:53.760
Like I know you're my grandma's dragon.
01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:54.960
Like, we've met, I know you.
01:18:55.359 --> 01:18:56.399
And she's fully aware.
01:18:56.560 --> 01:19:02.800
And that that whole thing, like this was very much like this dragon was like, Imogen, you're bonding with me no matter what.
01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:15.279
And I don't know if that's just Glen, not Glain's personality of seemingly very fiery, very committed to the rebellion, like this shit is going down, and so or if there's more to it.
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:20.560
What if again, we only know what the scribes write down, right?
01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:25.439
And we know that Justinia's versions might not be fully accurate or trustworthy.
01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:27.439
This one supposedly is.
01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:32.880
And the good guys, right, are always like, oh, well, dragons this, dragons this.
01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:34.399
They have these guides for them.
01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:46.720
But anytime you hear from the dragons directly, they're like, we only let you guys know what we want you to know, and only let on what we just you know, so we're reading this earlier from this point of view of where it's this rule book and this codex, and this is the way things go.
01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:49.920
And dragons, they just can't do this, and they can't do this.
01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:59.760
And then we see kind of what we expect to be the real unfiltered, not changed version, and it's they're kind of like just joking about it, like, no, you know I'm clean, and I'm just like, you're not gonna let me know that.
01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:00.560
All right, let's keep going.
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:00.960
Yeah.
01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:03.520
Which seems like that should be a very big, big deal.
01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:16.720
Well, and I guess in order for you to really have all of the information, the true information about all of the dragons, it would have to be compiled from like every conversation that an individual writer had with their own personal dragon, and that's just never gonna happen.
01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:21.520
Like, would a dragon be willing to sit down with a journalist and write a biography?
01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:22.880
I'm guessing not.
01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:23.840
That would be sick.
01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:29.039
Like invite them over to the hatching grounds, hang out for a bit, have dragon's milk or whatever.
01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:30.319
Little interview.
01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:31.520
Yeah, just do a little interview.
01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:32.399
Tell me about yourself.
01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:43.760
Well, at the end, Emogen is kind of like speaking to her mother and sister in the heavens, or so to speak, and is like, hey, tell grandma took her dragon or her dragon took me.
01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:44.079
Yeah.
01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:44.880
Sort of thing.
01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:51.680
Another really important thing at the very end though is that Imogen was like, just so you know, I have every intention of dying in combat.
01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:53.439
And the dragon said, like, me too.
01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:54.000
Right.
01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:56.479
I think that means that Imogen's probably gonna die at some point.
01:20:56.720 --> 01:20:57.279
I think so too.
01:20:57.520 --> 01:20:59.119
Because she's already like calling her shot.
01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:00.880
Like that's how she's gonna go out.
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:04.960
Yeah, I just so you know, my dream is to die in combat.
01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:06.399
Like, I'm gonna do it no matter what.
01:21:06.479 --> 01:21:08.960
Like and it seems like dragons like bird, that's why I love you.
01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:09.279
Right.
01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:10.319
You're just like your grandma.
01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:12.239
And that makes me sad preemptively.
01:21:12.479 --> 01:21:13.600
Yeah, well, hopefully she dies a hero.
01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:14.159
No joke.
01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:18.399
So at this point, she puts up the fourth wing spoiler warning.
01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:26.159
And I deduced from like where those spoiler warnings were placed that it's solely about whether or not a person bonds with a dragon.
01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:37.199
I feel like that's like what it is, is it's like everybody who had already bonded with a dragon prior to fourth wing beginning, like the first book, yeah, was in that first section with no spoiler warning.
01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:40.479
And then now this one is Violet's year of people.
01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:45.600
And so there's this fourth wing spoiler warning of like, hey, like if you don't want to be spoiled as to whether they bond or not.
01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:45.920
Right.
01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:53.119
And then there's an iron flame for Sloan and Arik, a spoiler warning for them because they don't bond until then.
01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:53.600
Right.
01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:59.920
But there's so much information that is to me big spoilers throughout.
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:03.600
So it the placement of those spoiler warnings was interesting to me.
01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:04.079
Okay.
01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:04.479
Yeah.
01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:09.039
Like everything that you just read, you don't feel like any of that is a spoiler warning for Ford Wing?
01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:13.520
If you had no context to anything, I don't I think you're fine.
01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:14.399
I don't know.
01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:19.119
You can make an argument for like you're knowing the mark ones are working on something.
01:22:19.600 --> 01:22:22.880
Do you know that these dragons are choosing to bond them specifically?
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:26.239
And they don't say what they're working on, but they reference this evil.
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:26.640
Yeah.
01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:30.880
They reference this fight that they're fighting that isn't the fight that everybody thinks they're fighting.
01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:31.600
I don't know.
01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:32.479
I think there's a lot there.
01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:32.960
Okay.
01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:41.760
Anyway, I'm not gonna argue with with the the chosen placements of spoiler warnings, but I feel like the whole thing probably should have been a big spoiler warning.
01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:50.239
But this is the section where it gets into Violet's year and all of her her friends and their journey in threshing.
01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:56.479
So our first post-spoiler warning is Rihanna and Fergie?
01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:57.520
I'll go Fergie.
01:22:57.680 --> 01:22:58.560
I think it's Fierge.
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:01.920
Fierge, Fierge, one or the other.
01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:08.159
So Fergie, Fears is 87 with three previous writers.
01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:08.960
Allegedly.
01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:09.680
Allegedly.
01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:11.520
Not a lot here.
01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:15.279
Yeah, Rihanna's chapter I don't feel like gave me much.
01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:18.960
I think that that kind of speaks to you know Rihanna's whole character, honestly.
01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:22.560
Is that, you know, she's wonderful, we'd love her, she's a badass.
01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:32.239
Good friend to but doesn't seem to have necessarily like as much like secrecy and backstory and mystery surrounding her as some of the other ones do.
01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:37.359
No, it it appears it's like you know her, you know her family story, you know.
01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:37.760
Yeah.
01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:41.039
She's loyal, she's a good friend, she's a good character.
01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:49.840
You know, like she's it seems open and shut, and maybe that's why it'll flip everything on its head when she ends up being like something different.
01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:50.560
Maybe.
01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:54.000
Or maybe she's just like a good, wholesome character in person.
01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:54.720
Who knows?
01:23:54.960 --> 01:24:04.239
But her gr dragon definitely seemed like her and her dragon were bonded, not officially bonded, but had some level of bond immediately after presentation.
01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:10.800
Like she knew that she was choosing Fears before she even got onto the threshing field.
01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:15.600
And Fears spoke to her and said, Come find me, right when right out the gate.
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:16.640
Yeah, they knew.
01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:17.199
She knew.
01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:22.479
I guess presentation, like you said, it's sometimes that just clicks and you get the feeling, and she did.
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:26.000
Like you said, and it but you knew the whole time exactly who her dragon was gonna be.
01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:26.560
Exactly.
01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:28.479
And not a ton of tree watch for hers.
01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:34.479
There might have been like, you know, there certainly was like mention of trees, but like in an organic, like there's trees around because it's a forest kind of way.
01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:36.880
Right, not specifically talking about the trees.
01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:55.680
But the blood watch for her is so Vizia, who ended up being a repeat in in the next year, well, squeezed her hand at one point because she just gotten like torched by a dragon but was alive, and she squeezed her hand and her fingernails cut Rihanna's palm.
01:24:56.399 --> 01:24:57.359
Still blood watch.
01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:58.479
Rihanna's bleeding.
01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:01.279
But it's not Rihanna's or it is Rihanna's blood.
01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:02.800
Yeah, it just wasn't caused by Rihanna.
01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:16.159
No, and I'm sure like in the process of her actually getting on her dragon and all that stuff, she probably and incorporated some other injuries, but that one was a specific blood to the palm, like noticeable to me.
01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:18.479
So every single one so far has bled.
01:25:18.720 --> 01:25:19.199
Has bled.
01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:19.680
Okay.
01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:24.560
And a lot of them have specifically bled on the hand, palm specifically.
01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:25.199
Alright.
01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:26.159
Obviously, it's important.
01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:26.399
Yep.
01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:27.039
I think so.
01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:28.640
And that's it for Rihanna, honestly.
01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:30.159
Like, I really didn't have much else.
01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:37.039
Like, you know, she had this interaction with Aya and all that kind of stuff, but you know, it seemed pretty simple.
01:25:37.439 --> 01:25:38.319
Sawyer.
01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:39.600
Sawyer's next.
01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:41.359
And Sleaseg.
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:42.479
Slice egg.
01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:43.279
Slice egg.
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:44.000
I don't know.
01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:49.199
We probably should have checked the audiobook for pronunciations before we recorded this episode.
01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:55.119
The thing is, this is this is gonna come as a shock to anybody who's listening right now, but we are not Celtic anything.
01:25:55.279 --> 01:25:56.319
We are from America.
01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:57.279
Yeah, we are.
01:25:57.520 --> 01:25:59.119
And we don't know how to pronounce things.
01:25:59.359 --> 01:26:00.239
We do not.
01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:03.840
Alright, so Sawyer and Slea Slag.
01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:11.680
Slea Slag has 70, or he is 73 and has two previous riders, allegedly.
01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:12.479
Allegedly.
01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:13.520
Allegedly.
01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:14.560
Sawyer.
01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:21.119
I feel like I really enjoyed Sawyer's character, but so much has happened that I feel disconnected.
01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:26.800
Yeah, I I would agree with that because he's certainly not like what we would consider like main main characters.
01:26:27.039 --> 01:26:27.520
Right.
01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:34.560
And so I don't know that I had formed like a huge opinion of him, honestly, like just overall, like of everything that's happened.
01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:40.960
Like we know he's a rape first year that he had gone through threshing and was unsuccessful in bonding, but we didn't really know why.
01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:45.840
Still don't necessarily know why, because supposedly he did all the right things, which I can relate to Sawyer.
01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:49.199
And like I told you, bro, your dragon is waiting for you.
01:26:49.520 --> 01:26:57.359
And it it just it isn't about you doing everything by the book, even though you you tried your hardest and you studied and you did all the right things.
01:26:57.760 --> 01:26:59.279
Got a hundred on all the tests and quizzes.
01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:01.760
Yeah, it just wasn't your time, and we can relate to that.
01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:09.119
I feel like Sawyer was a bigger character in Fourth Wing before The Leg.
01:27:09.760 --> 01:27:12.640
And then after it was kind of like a little back and forth.
01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:14.000
That happened in Ironflame.
01:27:14.239 --> 01:27:14.800
Was it Ironflame?
01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:16.079
Or no?
01:27:16.319 --> 01:27:17.199
Was it in Fourth?
01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:18.159
No, it was Iron Flame.
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:18.560
Okay.
01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:32.880
Well, I feel like post the leg, he he's kind of out of it for so long, like recovering and not wanting to write all of that stuff that even though he's a character, he's just not like he just drops down in the rank of like importance.
01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:34.319
What a tough go though.
01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:40.880
What a tough go for him that he he was a repeat first year, he had to wait for his dragon, and then he loses his fucking leg.
01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:42.880
I still think Sawyer is very important.
01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:45.840
I just think he took a back seat for a little bit, and that's a charade of things.
01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:47.199
But like, what's that gonna mean?
01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:56.960
Because the other thing that stood out to me in his chapter was these anger issues, and I feel like she put that stuff here for a reason because I don't believe that has necessarily shown up.
01:27:57.119 --> 01:27:59.760
Like, definitely there's like some angsty stuff after that.
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:07.439
The leg thing where he's kind of got to be coaxed back into, you know, believing in himself and believing he can still be a writer and all of that stuff.
01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:10.880
But I don't necessarily know that I saw like anger issues.
01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:15.039
Not that I remember, not bad enough to where I was like, oh yeah, remember whatever.
01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:15.600
Yeah.
01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:18.800
And he just specifically would just kept bringing that up.
01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:24.079
And even his dragon choosing him, it's specifically for that reason, seemingly.
01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:29.119
It's like, yeah, I know you've got anger issues, and you can present yourself however you want to everyone else.
01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:31.439
But like to me, like, don't dull that.
01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:32.800
Like I like that.
01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:33.680
Right, yeah.
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:34.560
Yeah.
01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:39.359
Why these dragons are are drawn to these specific traits.
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:42.159
Like what to say about the dragon, if anything, I don't know.
01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:44.079
Well, he comes across Trina.
01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:47.439
And I there must have been something going on to me with him and Trina.
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:49.039
Because he's like picking branches out of her hair.
01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:51.119
And I feel like that's kind of like an intimate thing to do.
01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:51.600
Okay.
01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:54.159
If it's not somebody that you're like physically involved with.
01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:57.840
Like if you saw somebody with like stuff in their hair, you'd be like, hey, you got some stuff in your hair.
01:28:58.000 --> 01:28:58.159
Yeah.
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:04.880
Like you're not necessarily gonna start like picking the stuff out their hair for them unless you're already physically comfortable with them to some degree.
01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:06.479
It doesn't matter though, because she dies.
01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:07.279
Tree watch.
01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:08.159
Womp womp.
01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:08.560
Yes.
01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:12.880
There wasn't necessarily a tree, but it mentioned her being in these thorny bushes.
01:29:13.279 --> 01:29:20.000
He bites his tongue at some point and it's like tastes metallic and then touches it and sees blood.
01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:21.359
I mean, there it is.
01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:22.159
There's his injury.
01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:26.960
But like a weird one, like biting his thumb, like his tongue and still apparently enough.
01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:33.199
Doesn't have to be like because in my mind I'm like, all right, it's it's contact with the dragon's scales, you know, your hand, your thigh, your legs.
01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:34.239
It's not usually the case though.
01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:35.359
It's not usually the case.
01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:40.000
Only a few of them have actually bled because of their dragon or like interacting with their dragon.
01:29:40.239 --> 01:29:42.640
Well, I mean like bleed on their dragon, like when they're gonna rock.
01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:44.880
There has been a lot of that.
01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:45.119
Yeah.
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:49.279
Where they're bleeding and it mentions them touching the dragon, then the dragon getting blood on it.
01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:54.159
But if this is your tongue, unless it is somehow dripping out of your mouth onto the dragon.
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:55.199
Well he did touch it.
01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:56.079
He said he's gonna be.
01:29:56.880 --> 01:29:57.600
Okay, so there we go.
01:29:57.680 --> 01:29:59.039
Maybe it still has something to do with that too.
01:29:59.359 --> 01:30:00.239
There was blood on his hands.
01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:00.880
Interesting.
01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:10.159
So yeah, then he's all worried that he did not bond his first go round, and his dragon is like, hey, dude, you didn't bond because of me.
01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:12.239
You didn't bond because I wasn't ready for you.
01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:15.439
And the quote was, You were not unworthy last year.
01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:17.600
I simply wasn't available to you.
01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:22.479
When half a pair cannot open themselves to a bond, the other must wait.
01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:28.159
And at one point they had said that his previous rider had died a year before last.
01:30:28.640 --> 01:30:36.319
So maybe there's like a a waiting period between like when your writer dies and when you're ready to open yourself up to another bond.
01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:40.800
Well, I guess it's like, you know, it it harms or hurts the dragon in some form.
01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:47.680
So however long it takes until the dragon feels ready or comfortable or finds a rider they consider worthy or whatever.
01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:47.920
Yeah.
01:30:48.159 --> 01:30:50.319
And I guess for him it was the two years or whatever it was.
01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:58.720
And it seems like this was just kind of like a therapy session between like Sawyer and his dragon, where his dragon's like being his hype man.
01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:03.840
Yeah, and like trying to help him with his self-confidence crisis that he's going through at the moment.
01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:05.119
Yeah, I guess so.
01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:08.880
But that's that's pretty much it for Sawyer.
01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:09.600
All right.
01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:12.399
Next up we got Riddick and Aotrim.
01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:13.439
Yeah, I believe.
01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:17.199
I think that's correct, because it says emphasis on the O given on his own syllable.
01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:19.439
I read that also, and that's what I took out of it.
01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:21.359
So Aotrim is what I got from it.
01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:27.199
And allegedly definitely not true, Aotrim is 21 and has no recorded writers.
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:35.760
And it it it's interesting because in this case, that is like a plot point of it, is that he is young and has not had writers before.
01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:37.600
So perhaps his is true.
01:31:38.079 --> 01:31:50.800
Could be because he's definitely acting like if you could envision, you know, Sigale and Taryn are let's call them 150 in terms of like ages, and these other dragons are 80.
01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:54.319
This is what you would expect a 21-year-old dragon to act like.
01:31:54.399 --> 01:31:54.720
Mm-hmm.
01:31:55.039 --> 01:31:56.079
He acts like a 21-year-old.
01:31:56.479 --> 01:31:58.239
He does, he and he acts very similar to Riddick.
01:31:58.399 --> 01:32:08.800
But Riddick said that he doesn't want somebody that acts like him, he wants a very mature, responsible dragon, which is very responsible of him because he's like, I need somebody to keep me in check, not the other way around.
01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:10.720
Like, I'm not gonna make good decisions.
01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:20.960
So if a dragon like this, like Aodrum, who comes out the gate like trying to play a splash fight, he's like, he needs somebody that's gonna make him make better decisions.
01:32:21.199 --> 01:32:21.359
Yeah.
01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:23.439
And Aotrum appears to not be the one.
01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:25.279
No, they seemed very similar.
01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:33.840
And apparently was the one next to Andarna at presentation, which I didn't I didn't really remember that.
01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:40.319
I don't know if we knew that before, but specifically mentions that this was the dragon standing next to Andarna at presentation.
01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:54.560
And you know, if I think about it, Aotrim acts kind of like Andarna acting, you know, not to the same degree, but like young playful, kind of like not really serious, kind of like, what do you mean I can't eat a human if I want type of attitude, you know?
01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:58.399
Like they kind of seem very, I don't know, young together.
01:32:58.479 --> 01:33:02.399
So maybe they were just beside each other because they're close and like maturity.
01:33:02.800 --> 01:33:10.159
And uh, I guess 21, I guess, is old enough to have gone through like all of the dragon, you know, developmental stages.
01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:14.880
Like Andarna has to do like the dreamless sleep, and I'll I guess 21 is old enough to have already gone through that.
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:16.640
I guess it seems pretty sure.
01:33:16.720 --> 01:33:17.279
Yeah.
01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:23.760
So again, paying attention to how they get hurt, he drops to the ground to avoid A.O.
01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:26.319
Trim's tail at one point and cuts his palm.
01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:27.359
Blood watch.
01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:28.960
On his palm specifically.
01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:31.359
Again, kind of weird.
01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:32.479
Kind of weird.
01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:40.640
Then that was like the whole dragon climb in the tree business that you were talking about, where Aotrim like tries to climb into the tree and is like, catch me if you can.
01:33:40.880 --> 01:33:41.119
Right.
01:33:41.199 --> 01:33:49.199
And it seems like a total nothing, but just mentioning, like in the book mentions, oh, I didn't know the dragons could climb trees.
01:33:49.359 --> 01:33:53.920
And then just the fact that you mention it makes me think like, oh, there's something to it.
01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:58.239
But this might be one of those things where it's like, no, it's just a dragon has claws and they can climb trees, man.
01:33:58.479 --> 01:34:07.760
But then the dragon says not everything is meant for human knowledge, which I could just be a callback to the whole like your dragons like have secrets, not supposed to know everything.
01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:08.159
Right.
01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:17.760
You guys, you know, you're getting this code extra, these manuals or dragons guides or whatever, but that's just what we allow you guys to know about us.
01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:20.960
Like you think that's really everything about us, that's just what you know.
01:34:21.199 --> 01:34:21.279
Right.
01:34:21.439 --> 01:34:32.000
And in fairness, they always do say in the books, like, this is all known whatever, you know, it and always it never says that it knows everything about dragons, it's always very pointed, like this is what we know.
01:34:32.239 --> 01:34:33.520
No, but it does say everything is true.
01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:35.119
Oh, yeah, and that's not true.
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:35.600
Correct.
01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:40.399
The whole signet watch situation at the end.
01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:47.680
So he I guess while he's climbing up the tree, Aotrum like gouges some holes in the tree and like sap is coming out.
01:34:47.840 --> 01:35:01.680
So Riddick has sap on him as he's trying to get into the seat, and he gets sap on Aotrum's scales and talks about needing ice potentially to remove the sap from his scales, that ice would do the trick.
01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:05.359
And of course, he develops the ability to wield ice.
01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:14.560
Weird how it's like, oh, well, you know, these riders develop the signet that they need, or like what's needed of them at the time.
01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:18.479
And he needed his signet to pull pranks on his dragon.
01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:21.760
Right, he needed ice to get the sap off of his scales.
01:35:22.319 --> 01:35:22.640
You know?
01:35:22.800 --> 01:35:23.359
Interesting.
01:35:23.680 --> 01:35:24.399
Very interesting.
01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:27.199
Uh the next chapter, I'll be honest, I didn't even want to read.
01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:28.720
I was just like, I don't want to read.
01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:29.520
It's Liam.
01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:30.800
Yeah, I don't want to read about it.
01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:31.680
I don't want to read Liam.
01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:34.479
That's just like you just know in there, you're like, this man, I know how it ends.
01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:35.600
It's so fucked up.
01:35:36.079 --> 01:35:47.520
It was kind of sad because you're you're getting the the golden boy aspect of Liam, but then you're also getting, you know, the kind of foreshadowing to what his old timely end was gonna be.
01:35:47.760 --> 01:35:48.640
Like you know what's gonna happen.
01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:50.159
So it's Liam and Day.
01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:51.279
I guess it's Day.
01:35:51.439 --> 01:35:51.840
Uh-huh.
01:35:52.079 --> 01:35:55.680
62 with one previous rider, allegedly.
01:35:55.920 --> 01:35:56.239
Yeah.
01:35:56.399 --> 01:35:56.720
All right.
01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:58.079
It's sad, but we're gonna get through it.
01:35:58.319 --> 01:36:02.640
So Tree Watch, very much tree was very front and center in this one.
01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:08.239
Liam is waiting underneath a tree that he felt pulled to wait there.
01:36:08.319 --> 01:36:12.800
He says he entered the valley and then just immediately said, This is the tree I'm supposed to sit beside.
01:36:13.199 --> 01:36:18.800
Day later tells him that he chose it because it was a tree from Tyrandor, specifically a polypsis tree.
01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:19.680
Oh wow.
01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:20.960
I don't know what that is.
01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:21.680
That's pretty cool.
01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:31.600
He already knows exactly what dragon he's waiting for, name, color, what it looks like, everything.
01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:38.720
But interestingly, Zaydan says that Segail would not tell him what dragon was meant for Liam.
01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:39.520
Weird.
01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:40.159
I wonder why.
01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:40.960
I wonder why too.
01:36:41.279 --> 01:36:43.039
Because Terran's always or Terran.
01:36:43.439 --> 01:36:46.880
Zaydan is always kind of like, oh, Segael said you're getting this dragon.
01:36:47.119 --> 01:36:55.039
And it's like, is there some type of foreshadowing there where Segail already knew that Day was going to die at some point?
01:36:55.279 --> 01:36:57.199
Like, do the dragons know the future?
01:36:57.439 --> 01:36:57.680
Right.
01:36:57.760 --> 01:37:00.079
And so Day even knows how this is gonna go?
01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:01.039
I don't know.
01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:09.199
Like, I got that vibe, but that's I I can't think of many other reasons why Sagale would not tell him what dragon was meant for Liam.
01:37:09.279 --> 01:37:09.520
Right.
01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:11.760
Zaydan said he hoped it would be Tarn.
01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:15.760
Like, didn't specifically name Terran, but hoped that Sagale's mate would be ready to land.
01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:17.680
It's like, nope, he is.
01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:18.720
Just not with Liam.
01:37:18.960 --> 01:37:19.520
Just not with Liam.
01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:20.239
That's right.
01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:29.039
He also randomly mentions that like, you know, there's this whole thing about him knowing that Zaiden has already got feelings for Violet, and Zaydan's kind of denying it.
01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:35.119
And he's like, oh, and Garrick probably has caught on to this already too, but he's probably been able to keep it from Bodhi.
01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:36.079
Yeah.
01:37:36.239 --> 01:37:41.439
And that was again, I I question why are anything why are sentences like that in there?
01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:44.239
Is that a nothing or is that more pointed?
01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:45.760
I feel like those are pointed things.
01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:53.920
It is letting you in on personalities and relationships and kind of just And is that more of Bodhi's being left out?
01:37:54.079 --> 01:38:02.640
So that's more, you know, fuel for Bodhi and his desire later to draw from the source so he's not being left out or left behind.
01:38:02.960 --> 01:38:11.199
I kind of took it as like Garrick is more with it and closer to Zaiden a lot of the times.
01:38:11.359 --> 01:38:13.680
Bodhi is like the little brother, but not quite.
01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:16.720
But Liam is the little brother, and he's like, I've noticed it.
01:38:17.039 --> 01:38:17.199
Yeah.
01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:17.920
Yeah.
01:38:18.159 --> 01:38:18.960
I don't know.
01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:20.000
I don't know.
01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:21.119
Story of our lives.
01:38:21.359 --> 01:38:21.840
Story of our lives.
01:38:21.920 --> 01:38:22.079
I don't know.
01:38:22.159 --> 01:38:23.279
I told you I'd say it a thousand times.
01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:23.680
I don't know.
01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:31.039
So as he's whittling this little wooden figurine of Day, uh, he cuts himself with his knife.
01:38:31.279 --> 01:38:32.079
Weird finger.
01:38:32.399 --> 01:38:32.720
Wow.
01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:33.359
Causes blood.
01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:34.239
Bleeds a little bit.
01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:34.880
Blood blood.
01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:36.319
His finger.
01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:38.319
So Day appears out of nowhere.
01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:40.159
That's what causes him to cut himself.
01:38:40.479 --> 01:38:42.560
That I feel like came up a few times.
01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:47.920
And by the time I got to this POV, I recognized like Dane's dragon kind of seemed to do that.
01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:50.239
I feel like Bodie's dragon kind of seemed to do that.
01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:57.039
I don't know if there's more to the dragon coming out of nowhere, more so than just like, oh, dragons are more stealthy than maybe I thought they were.
01:38:57.279 --> 01:39:00.000
But just a lot of like a dragon appearing out of nowhere.
01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:00.319
Right.
01:39:00.399 --> 01:39:01.840
Like they're low, they're big as a bitch.
01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:02.720
You would think they would be low.
01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:05.920
Yeah, and like we know Andarna can like camouflage herself.
01:39:06.079 --> 01:39:09.039
So we know it's not necessarily something like that per se.
01:39:09.199 --> 01:39:11.439
Just, I don't know, something to keep an eye on.
01:39:11.680 --> 01:39:11.840
Okay.
01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:12.479
Weird watch.
01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:13.279
Dragons, yeah.
01:39:13.359 --> 01:39:13.920
Yeah, weird watch.
01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:15.760
Dragons appearing out of nowhere.
01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:22.079
And says to Liam that those of my line have always favored those in yours.
01:39:22.479 --> 01:39:26.880
Yeah, that to me is such a big pointed sentence.
01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:27.680
You know what I mean?
01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:37.119
Like it's very direct, telling you exactly again, that which always error doesn't to me, it kind of means that Liam should also have a second signet.
01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:37.920
Yeah.
01:39:38.159 --> 01:39:38.479
Right.
01:39:38.720 --> 01:39:39.039
For sure.
01:39:39.279 --> 01:39:39.840
He should have.
01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:45.199
Did I know that he did where he was able to wield ice in addition?
01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:45.600
I think.
01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:46.159
Could be.
01:39:46.399 --> 01:39:46.800
Sounds good.
01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:46.960
Okay.
01:39:47.119 --> 01:39:55.760
I think we already knew that maybe, but it I think it definitely speaks to your point about possibly the like the first six descendants or something like that.
01:39:56.000 --> 01:40:03.279
Like specifically, like these are dragons within a line, and all the dragons at this line have wanted to bond with humans in this line.
01:40:03.359 --> 01:40:18.079
Like maybe that helps create stronger magic for the dragons and or met you know, wield power for the humans, like, oh, we've been bonded to the same bloodlines for generations, and that, you know, leads to it.
01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:18.560
I don't know.
01:40:18.800 --> 01:40:19.279
Perhaps.
01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:19.760
Perhaps.
01:40:20.079 --> 01:40:20.479
Perhaps.
01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:29.680
And it mentions in the same time that his mother, who was a rune master, which we knew that, but that gets brought up again in Sloan's POV too.
01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:33.680
So the their mother being a rune master, it comes up twice here.
01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:34.159
Yeah.
01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:34.640
Important.
01:40:34.880 --> 01:40:42.319
And then sadly, at the very end, it says that he begins the next and last chapter of his life as Day's writer.
01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:42.640
Man.
01:40:43.039 --> 01:40:43.600
So sad.
01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:44.239
Fucked up.
01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:45.199
Why gotta do us like that?
01:40:45.359 --> 01:40:46.159
Why gotta do us like that.
01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:46.399
Yeah.
01:40:46.479 --> 01:40:47.359
Liam, come on.
01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:48.399
He's the best.
01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:53.279
The next person to me is somebody that I still just I can't stand.
01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:53.920
Really?
01:40:54.079 --> 01:40:57.840
See, her POV made me feel a little differently about her.
01:40:58.319 --> 01:41:00.560
I felt like it.
01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:03.520
I already knew why she was angry at Violet.
01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:04.159
I already knew.
01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:06.800
And I felt like she was just holding a grudge.
01:41:07.119 --> 01:41:12.560
This made me feel more not like I didn't dislike her less.
01:41:12.720 --> 01:41:20.159
It made me feel more sad for her, I guess, as a character of somebody who's just like, my brother died, so now I'm going to just not just her brother.
01:41:20.319 --> 01:41:22.159
Her parents were murdered.
01:41:22.399 --> 01:41:23.359
Her brother dies.
01:41:23.600 --> 01:41:29.840
She was fostered by herself, whereas most of the other ones, with the exception of Imogen, were all fostered with someone else.
01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:31.439
So they had somebody.
01:41:31.680 --> 01:41:35.680
She's fostered by people who are not seemingly supportive of the rebellion.
01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:37.119
So she's truly on an island.
01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:39.760
Like I we're talking about Sloane, by the way.
01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:44.880
I feel like we need to introduce it to Sloane and Thor Thor, age 62, Riders 1, allegedly.
01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:45.760
Allegedly.
01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:49.439
So I feel like it definitely made me more empathetic to her.
01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:52.800
I mean, she was literally out there trying to commit suicide by dragon.
01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:53.359
She was.
01:41:53.439 --> 01:42:03.600
And again, I'm just saying I don't find her at the end of Onyx Storm, tur towards the last, you know, 25%, 50%, or whatever, she finally got over it.
01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:06.960
Like she started to get over it and it got better.
01:42:07.119 --> 01:42:08.640
She became more tolerable.
01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:14.560
In the fourth book, I'm sure I will begin to enjoy her more unless she dies or does something crazy.
01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:17.279
But she has been incredibly annoying.
01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:24.000
Yeah, like I said, I I feel like this gave me more of an understanding about why she was the way that she was.
01:42:24.159 --> 01:42:26.560
And, you know, again, she doesn't want to be a writer.
01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:27.760
She doesn't want to be a part of this.
01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:29.680
She says she doesn't want to be used as a weapon.
01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:32.239
So just this whole situation just sucks for her.
01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:34.640
Yeah, I'm I can be sympathetic.
01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:36.880
I just she hasn't won me over yet.
01:42:37.119 --> 01:42:40.159
Well, she has won somebody over, and that's Dane.
01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:46.319
Because Dane, codex loving mother effort he is, brings the codex for her.
01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:47.039
That's wild.
01:42:47.199 --> 01:42:55.279
And he pulls his eyes here line on her again, where he prevents her from meeting her untimely end by dragon.
01:42:55.439 --> 01:42:56.479
He's like, no, girl.
01:42:56.640 --> 01:42:58.800
And then is like holding her up against him.
01:42:59.199 --> 01:42:59.359
Yeah.
01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:01.279
I'm feeling his chest on her.
01:43:01.359 --> 01:43:02.079
So I'm like, all right then.
01:43:02.399 --> 01:43:02.640
Shinny.
01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:03.039
Damn.
01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:04.079
Like, all right, Dane.
01:43:04.159 --> 01:43:07.119
And then he says he's gonna go report himself for breaking the codec.
01:43:07.359 --> 01:43:09.680
I wonder if he ever actually did that, because I don't remember anything about that.
01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:10.640
Yeah, I don't know.
01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:14.720
I've never seen somebody who was more LDE than Dane.
01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:17.920
He saved her.
01:43:18.079 --> 01:43:18.399
Yeah.
01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:25.920
So again, we have Thorte that says the dragons of my line have long chosen the writers of yours.
01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:34.159
Definitely makes it seem like this goes beyond just the rebellion years, because the rebellion has only been happening for like, you know, however many years, like during Zaydon's lifetime.
01:43:34.239 --> 01:43:40.640
And if we're talking about lines and generations of people, that's way, way beyond the rebellion.
01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:42.159
Yeah, right, right.
01:43:42.239 --> 01:43:49.520
Because we're 640 years or whatever past the AU unification.
01:43:50.079 --> 01:43:52.640
And then prior to unification was a whole thing too.
01:43:52.720 --> 01:43:56.960
So Yeah, but this rebellion has only been like in the last yeah ten years.
01:43:57.199 --> 01:43:57.840
Ten years or something.
01:43:58.239 --> 01:43:58.960
That's what I'm saying.
01:43:59.039 --> 01:44:01.760
Like I think we're going back a long time.
01:44:02.079 --> 01:44:02.800
I agree.
01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:09.680
Thor was Day's sister.
01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:12.079
So Day Liam's dragon who died.
01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:15.520
So both Sloane and Thorte lost their siblings.
01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:15.920
Yeah.
01:44:16.159 --> 01:44:18.640
And she's like, maybe we can heal together.
01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:19.439
That's all.
01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:19.920
Yeah.
01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:24.239
I mean, again, it's a good dragon match, you know, pair-up, it seems like.
01:44:24.479 --> 01:44:26.399
Yeah, because Thorte was so nice to her.
01:44:26.560 --> 01:44:29.439
She's just like, you'll wield when you're ready.
01:44:29.520 --> 01:44:31.520
And if you don't, hey.
01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:32.159
Yeah.
01:44:32.479 --> 01:44:34.560
This war will be lost and that'll be bad.
01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:35.039
Yeah.
01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:41.760
But it seemed like, you know, again, for you, you're you're told that like dragons are these fear, like they're all the same.
01:44:41.840 --> 01:44:45.359
And then you have this one dragon who's like, no, it's fine, whatever.
01:44:45.439 --> 01:44:47.199
You know, very empathetic, I guess.
01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:48.399
Very empathetic.
01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:52.880
But also kind of like reminded her how important she is as far as this cause.
01:44:53.119 --> 01:44:53.359
Right.
01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:57.760
Which I'm like, I'm curious how that's going to play out.
01:44:58.079 --> 01:44:59.600
There's a couple of things that came up.
01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:05.439
Like siphoning is Sloane's main segment, but obviously we're assuming she's going to get a second segment.
01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:05.840
Yeah.
01:45:06.239 --> 01:45:20.880
And even if she doesn't, I guess the siphoning could be related to the rune situation because she mentioned that Liam did not inherit her mother's gift like with runes, but that she did, that Sloane did.
01:45:21.119 --> 01:45:21.439
Yeah.
01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:27.680
So I'm thinking she's going to be able to like imbue runes very well because like her signet, like with her own power, her own music.
01:45:27.920 --> 01:45:32.720
Well, she's able to like siphon magic out of others and maybe put it into a rune or something.
01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:35.840
Siphon it from her dragon and put magic into runes.
01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:36.479
I don't know.
01:45:36.640 --> 01:45:36.800
Okay.
01:45:36.880 --> 01:45:37.039
Yeah.
01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:37.600
I'm with you.
01:45:38.079 --> 01:45:39.199
I I don't know.
01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:40.560
Very interesting.
01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:48.560
But mentions like having family again, like them, you know, this being her family, which is very sweet, I guess.
01:45:48.640 --> 01:45:48.880
Like her.
01:45:49.279 --> 01:45:51.600
Yeah, they have nobody and now they have each other type of deal.
01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:53.439
But I'm like, is there is there more to that?
01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:59.680
And like Sloane is constantly like comparing herself to a venom, like with her siphoning power.
01:45:59.920 --> 01:46:02.960
So that was the other part of it where I was like, eh, is there more to that?
01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:04.880
It it very well could be.
01:46:05.119 --> 01:46:08.800
Maybe this dragon is like Venom dragon, right?
01:46:08.880 --> 01:46:11.920
It's supposed to be so nice and so different where it's like, oh no, it's fine, you know?
01:46:12.079 --> 01:46:13.359
Whatever, whenever you're ready.
01:46:13.439 --> 01:46:14.800
It's like trying to sweeten the pot.
01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:15.359
Yeah.
01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:21.039
I mean, uh that could have certainly been interpreted in multiple ways, but she I don't know.
01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:22.319
Very, very interesting.
01:46:22.479 --> 01:46:26.079
Okay but yeah, she knew that Thorte was coming after already.
01:46:26.319 --> 01:46:29.600
She was aware because Imogen told her that that's that was who was coming.
01:46:29.680 --> 01:46:34.239
So it's another marked one who already was prepared for that.
01:46:34.399 --> 01:46:34.640
Right.
01:46:35.039 --> 01:46:38.640
But I don't know that I caught how she bled.
01:46:39.119 --> 01:46:42.079
I think that she did, but I do not remember this one.
01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:43.520
But I'm sure she did, because they all did.
01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:45.039
Yeah, no way, right.
01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:53.439
Well, it takes us to our last rider, our last threshing P of V, which again I believe is the most important.
01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:54.479
It's art.
01:46:55.439 --> 01:47:03.039
And his bullshit ass dragon Mulvik, who is allegedly 39 with zero riders.
01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:07.439
There is no chance that Mulvik is 39 with zero previous riders.
01:47:07.760 --> 01:47:08.399
I agree with that.
01:47:08.479 --> 01:47:10.560
Unless I I definitely don't believe he's 39.
01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:18.479
The previous riders being zero, maybe, because it seems like certainly in all the POVs we saw of him, he was very discerning in who he chose.
01:47:19.039 --> 01:47:24.479
He seemed to be waiting for a very specific set of characteristics characteristics, if not a specific person.
01:47:24.720 --> 01:47:28.239
And he was r willing to kill a main character.
01:47:28.479 --> 01:47:28.720
Yeah.
01:47:28.880 --> 01:47:30.800
You know, didn't give up.
01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:33.119
So yeah, maybe, maybe we were wrong.
01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:35.520
Maybe he's just a new age, like, I don't trust anybody.
01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:37.760
This is just I'll fuck everybody up I don't agree with.
01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:38.399
Perhaps.
01:47:38.560 --> 01:47:38.800
Who knows?
01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:45.520
So Arik mentions very early on the last three times a Prince of Navarre walked these woods, he didn't come out alive.
01:47:45.680 --> 01:47:47.600
We knew obviously Alec.
01:47:48.479 --> 01:47:59.920
Halden is the other brother, and he went into the infantry, so he's not so somebody else who was a prince, like in their line, I guess, tried to be a writer and was unsuccessful.
01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:01.680
We just I don't know that we know who that is.
01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:02.319
Interesting.
01:48:02.399 --> 01:48:04.800
Yeah, because you would think it would be like their dad.
01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:06.720
Yeah, but I wouldn't think the king would do that.
01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:14.319
Like it seemed like it it was more customary for the royalty to go the infantry route because they were less likely to die.
01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:21.279
I guess that's whereas like they they couldn't be risked going into the writer's quadrant because the survival rates are so low.
01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:21.840
Okay.
01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:22.399
Interesting.
01:48:22.560 --> 01:48:26.479
Um but Arik goes into this forest so confident.
01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:32.880
Like if you're talking about LDE with Dane, I'm thinking there's B D E with Arik because he shakes his head at a green.
01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:34.479
He's like, Nope, not you.
01:48:34.560 --> 01:48:35.600
Yeah, he was like, not you.
01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:36.479
I'm not bonding you.
01:48:36.640 --> 01:48:37.760
And just turned away and kept going.
01:48:37.920 --> 01:48:39.279
Was like, no, get the fuck out of here.
01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:43.600
And finally, when he's looking for Mulvik, he speaks to Mulvik first.
01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:44.000
Yep.
01:48:44.319 --> 01:48:50.079
He doesn't wait to be spoken to or, you know, play this whole, I'm gonna like chill.
01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:51.520
And he's like, You're mine.
01:48:52.079 --> 01:48:52.479
Right.
01:48:52.720 --> 01:48:52.960
Yeah.
01:48:53.359 --> 01:48:53.840
What?
01:48:54.079 --> 01:49:02.159
Yeah, I don't I don't know that I would have guessed that Ark was this like confident, I guess is the word.
01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:06.399
He does come across that way because he's got that quiet confidence where he doesn't need to say much.
01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:15.760
But not look at a dragon and say, not you and keep walking like threshing day before you like that is somebody who seems like he is confident he's gonna live.
01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:20.399
And mentions specifically Molvik is second in ferocity only to Segale.
01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:20.800
Yeah.
01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:22.000
But he doesn't care.
01:49:22.239 --> 01:49:25.359
He I I just want to know the motivation for that.
01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:33.760
I mean, it just seemed like in his POV, we still didn't get the full story with why he was so confident and dead set that Mulvik was his dragon.
01:49:34.079 --> 01:49:35.199
But I don't know.
01:49:35.439 --> 01:49:42.239
Mulvik wasn't immediately convinced because he said, I've been drawn to the strength of your bloodline before, and I got disappointed.
01:49:43.039 --> 01:49:45.840
So is that the brother is that Alec?
01:49:45.920 --> 01:49:46.079
Yeah.
01:49:46.239 --> 01:49:48.239
Or is that That's what Arik says.
01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:49.680
He said, Alec, it has to be.
01:49:49.840 --> 01:49:50.000
Right.
01:49:50.319 --> 01:49:51.680
He's like, I'm not my brother.
01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:56.319
And he's like, Well, that's why I still allow you to breathe, and calls him by his actual name.
01:49:56.720 --> 01:49:59.279
Cameleon Arik Barron.
01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:03.600
Why would Movvik the be drawn to the strength of the blood?
01:50:03.840 --> 01:50:11.279
I guess it's just because but like what makes Movik anybody if he's only a thirty-nine year old, never bonded dragon.
01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:12.079
Right.
01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:12.720
That's what I'm saying.
01:50:12.800 --> 01:50:19.199
It's like you wouldn't be this sulking number two, only gonna ride with you know, royalty.
01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:23.760
Movik is important and Movik was looking for something very, very specific.
01:50:24.560 --> 01:50:28.319
I a call to the whole strength uh the signet business.
01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:32.159
He says, You think you know the future is what the dragon says to him.
01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:33.920
And he's like, I know mine.
01:50:34.720 --> 01:50:40.159
And obviously he ends up developing a signet where he in fact does know some of the future.
01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:44.000
Tree watch, he does mention passing an ancient redwood.
01:50:44.079 --> 01:50:48.000
The redwoods were mentioned multiple times and then being ancient.
01:50:48.319 --> 01:50:48.720
Uh-huh.
01:50:48.960 --> 01:50:49.119
Okay.
01:50:49.439 --> 01:50:49.920
Ancient trees.
01:50:50.399 --> 01:50:52.000
Tree watch, ancient tree watch.
01:50:52.640 --> 01:50:53.600
Blood watch.
01:50:53.920 --> 01:50:59.279
After he dodges Moldvic's fire, he has a bloody scrape on his uh palm.
01:50:59.600 --> 01:50:59.840
Yep.
01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:02.960
Alright, so it has to be Blood Watch is very important.
01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:06.640
Yeah, and specifically the palm in so many different cases.
01:51:07.119 --> 01:51:12.800
Is that encouraging us to when you go back and do a reread, like Fourth Wing?
01:51:13.279 --> 01:51:13.600
Palm.
01:51:13.920 --> 01:51:29.039
Well, every when you're getting the threshing stories, is Violet ever like, oh when I see whoever that we're not getting their POV and like they're bleeding, but they are on the dragon or whatever, and it's like Yeah, mention about other people.
01:51:29.119 --> 01:51:30.159
And Violet herself.
01:51:30.239 --> 01:51:36.720
Like that's honestly what we should have done is kind of gone back through and done a side-by-side deep dive with Violet's threshing.
01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:44.399
Like we know obviously she gets into a a scuffle trying to protect Andarna against Jack Barlow and Yeah, I think she was bloodied up a little bit.
01:51:44.640 --> 01:51:46.720
I'm sure she got bloodied up, like no doubt about it.
01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:48.479
She got bloodied up in that scenario.
01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:49.760
Interesting.
01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:52.560
Or and is it important or it's just like that's just a part of it?
01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:53.520
That's a a tip.
01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:54.640
Like, yep, that's also a part of the thing.
01:51:54.880 --> 01:51:55.279
That's the thing.
01:51:55.359 --> 01:52:08.399
I can't figure out if it's important because it has a bigger meaning, specifically like where they're injured or where they bleed from, or if it happens to be the hand because, like you said, like it's gotta make contact with the dragon, and that's like the most common It's a part of the bond.
01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:12.399
But like obviously if it's on your hand, you're gonna touch them.
01:52:12.720 --> 01:52:15.279
Like, you know, hold the pommel with your hand, sort of deal.
01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:21.439
But or yeah, like, or is it just a part of the bond or it doesn't mean something else?
01:52:21.520 --> 01:52:21.920
I don't know.
01:52:22.079 --> 01:52:24.560
But just new noteworthy noteworthy.
01:52:25.039 --> 01:52:25.359
Blood bunch.
01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:25.760
Okay.
01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:26.800
It happened a bunch.
01:52:26.880 --> 01:52:28.720
So Trees and Blood.
01:52:28.880 --> 01:52:29.840
We're watching them all.
01:52:30.479 --> 01:52:31.840
Yeah, that that was a ton.
01:52:32.159 --> 01:52:32.800
That was a ton.
01:52:33.039 --> 01:52:33.600
That was a ton.
01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:37.039
But so fun, I think hopefully informative.
01:52:37.359 --> 01:52:41.520
I don't know that informative is the right word because we said I don't know, probably six hundred times.
01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:45.439
But well, if this is your first time tuning in, I don't know is what we say.
01:52:46.560 --> 01:52:47.119
I say it all the time.
01:52:47.359 --> 01:52:48.479
But we're thought provoking.
01:52:48.720 --> 01:52:49.680
Like we'll make you think.
01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:55.359
We'll point out things that maybe you didn't notice yourself and just give you more questions than answers.
01:52:55.680 --> 01:53:00.479
Yeah, if you're you always read stuff, or if you're reading this and you're like, Man, I don't know what this means.
01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:03.279
We're the friends that are like me either.
01:53:04.159 --> 01:53:04.720
You know?
01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:06.000
Exactly.
01:53:06.319 --> 01:53:09.680
All I do know is is it makes me want to reread all of these books.
01:53:09.840 --> 01:53:14.079
I can't decide if that's gonna happen right now or if I'm gonna wait until closer to book four.
01:53:14.399 --> 01:53:15.920
I feel like I want to read them now.
01:53:16.159 --> 01:53:16.399
Right.
01:53:16.560 --> 01:53:17.520
And I very well might.
01:53:17.600 --> 01:53:34.479
I think it might be like a side audio book situation where it's just what I listen to when I'm driving in the car, but when it's funny you say that because you had been talking about doing the reread and how this made you want to do it and before the fourth book, whenever it does come out, like oh we need to do a reread.
01:53:34.720 --> 01:53:44.399
And I think I probably will end up I'm not the fastest reader in the world, but I can take in audiobooks super quick if I want.
01:53:44.560 --> 01:53:50.560
So I think I'm wanting to try to audiobook all three in like a six-week period before the new book.
01:53:50.640 --> 01:53:51.920
You know, whenever like six weeks out.
01:53:52.399 --> 01:53:59.520
Yeah, and I think I will too, but I don't anticipate the next book coming out like any time before like closer to the end of next year.
01:53:59.680 --> 01:53:59.840
Really?
01:54:00.159 --> 01:54:01.760
Honestly, no, no, for sure not.
01:54:01.920 --> 01:54:03.039
She hasn't finished writing it yet.
01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:10.479
And we're, you know, from my understanding, there's usually going to be by the time they finish writing it to the time that like it hits the shelves.
01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:11.600
It's more closer to a year.
01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:18.560
See, I was thinking when Onyx Storm came out, she was still writing into a certain part, and then she had put like an Instagram out when she was done.
01:54:18.640 --> 01:54:20.960
And I felt like it was like a six-month timeline.
01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:23.840
So no, not not from everything that I've seen.
01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:27.119
So I think that we're still probably a year away.
01:54:27.359 --> 01:54:30.560
So I think I might do another reread now and then another one then.
01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:38.079
The reread now just for fun, just because I I this book made me miss that world and it made me miss these characters, and I want more of Zaiden and Violet.
01:54:38.159 --> 01:54:42.800
I missed Violet in all of this because we didn't get much of her at all, which was intentional, you know.
01:54:42.960 --> 01:54:43.359
Right.
01:54:43.600 --> 01:54:50.800
But I miss her point of view and I miss her story and you know there's gonna come a time where the fifth five is the total books that's supposed to come out, right?
01:54:51.039 --> 01:54:51.359
I think.
01:54:51.600 --> 01:54:52.159
I think so.
01:54:52.399 --> 01:54:56.800
So there's gonna come a time where the fifth book will be out, and we'll do a reread before that.
01:54:56.960 --> 01:55:01.920
But then we're gonna read the fifth book, and then that's when I feel like I'm gonna be like, I need to read all five again.
01:55:02.319 --> 01:55:06.479
I think that you're gonna experience like that sadness for the first time ever.
01:55:06.640 --> 01:55:07.920
Like Yeah, I'm not gonna like that.
01:55:08.159 --> 01:55:15.920
It's extremely sad to end a long-term book series and feel like you're almost mourning the characters because they're gone.
01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:18.159
Well, knowing that like that's it, the story's over.
01:55:18.399 --> 01:55:19.920
You're not gonna learn from them.
01:55:20.159 --> 01:55:24.319
Now, fortunately, we live in a time where every good series gets picked up on television and I get to watch it again.
01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:27.840
Experience it in different ways, and that's kind of how I have been with like Harry Potter.
01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:28.720
But you're still gonna miss them.
01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:31.760
You're still gonna miss being in the world and experiencing it for the first time.
01:55:32.159 --> 01:55:32.479
I agree.
01:55:32.640 --> 01:55:34.720
And you know, this will be the biggest one.
01:55:34.800 --> 01:55:37.359
Like Red Rising for me, I was just I really loved that.
01:55:37.680 --> 01:55:39.840
And that's kind of how I felt after the third book.
01:55:40.079 --> 01:55:40.239
Right.
01:55:40.399 --> 01:55:50.399
And I read the next ones after, and there's three more, and the seventh is coming out, but that first three book kind of like standalone omos-ish type part was so good.
01:55:50.640 --> 01:55:52.880
But then you go to this other part where it's disappointing.
01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:56.000
This is gonna be different because I can't imagine anything where I'm disappointed.
01:55:56.319 --> 01:55:57.199
I just don't think it's gonna happen.
01:55:57.359 --> 01:56:00.880
Regardless of which way the story goes and how things go, I'm not gonna be disappointed.
01:56:01.119 --> 01:56:01.439
I agree.
01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:03.760
I think it would be tough to to turn me off at this point.
01:56:03.920 --> 01:56:08.960
I might not be happy with the decisions that she makes with all the characters, but I'm gonna love it too.
01:56:09.359 --> 01:56:10.000
The story's gonna be good.
01:56:10.079 --> 01:56:14.720
Like she everything is so excellent at like being hidden and then coming together.
01:56:14.960 --> 01:56:16.239
Like it's gonna be fun.
01:56:16.640 --> 01:56:18.239
Well, stay tuned.
01:56:18.399 --> 01:56:27.279
Obviously, there's not much more on the horizon with this series and in the near future, but certainly when there is, we will likely be back to discuss it.
01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:30.079
We'll probably discuss the Blood Nash book that comes out.
01:56:30.319 --> 01:56:31.039
If it does, yeah.
01:56:31.279 --> 01:56:31.760
If it does.
01:56:31.920 --> 01:56:32.159
Yeah.
01:56:32.399 --> 01:56:34.159
Maybe give you some Acatar season books.
01:56:34.640 --> 01:56:35.600
Yeah, we need to get back to it.
01:56:35.680 --> 01:56:40.159
So as far as like our other like Justin's from reading, and he did finish the first Acatar book.
01:56:40.319 --> 01:56:41.600
Yeah, I'm not gonna talk about it.
01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:43.439
Like five more or six more?
01:56:43.520 --> 01:56:43.920
I don't know.
01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:44.720
Did they get better?
01:56:44.880 --> 01:56:47.199
Because it was fairly arguably they do.
01:56:47.359 --> 01:56:47.520
Okay.
01:56:47.680 --> 01:56:49.439
Yeah, arguably a lot of people think they do.
01:56:49.680 --> 01:56:50.960
I enjoyed the last 25%.
01:56:51.439 --> 01:56:52.079
Yeah.
01:56:52.479 --> 01:56:55.600
But before that, I was like, this is a drag.
01:56:55.840 --> 01:56:57.039
So TBD on that.
01:56:57.279 --> 01:56:58.319
We'll we'll get to that.
01:56:58.479 --> 01:57:00.159
We'll see where where we're going with it.
01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:01.039
But you know, yeah.
01:57:01.119 --> 01:57:02.159
Just see us when you see us.
01:57:02.399 --> 01:57:03.039
Stay tuned.
01:57:03.119 --> 01:57:04.960
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01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:10.079
Same name.
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Yeah.
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Listen, if you're looking for somebody that's gonna post once or twice every once in a while, we're your people.
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We're your people.
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Yeah, that's right.
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All right.
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See you later.