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I was given this clear guidance and I decided at a young age to say yes to it. No idea what the hell I was going to do. And I knew this would mean the end of my life as I knew it. I felt like I didn't have a choice. I could resist it and I could go against it, yet I couldn't at the same time. And so I surrendered. Sometimes people think,
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When you find your purpose, everything happens and the unicorns manifest and you can manifest anything and everything appears and everything is at your face. Sometimes when you manifest your purpose, that's when the real stuff falls apart. That's when all life breaks down. It's not always like this rainbows and roses and caramels and unicorns. Sometimes that's when you're forced to go into the deep unknown, the dark night of the soul. You have to enter into a void. The tests that you have to go through when you follow your soul
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are not a sign that you're on the wrong path. That's a sign that you're actually on the right path. I tell people, I can't make you happy, but I can show you the way and I can guide you. But until you clear the blockages, we're not able to hold the true magnificence and bigness of the light that we are. And so for me, the real point of this whole thing is evolution.
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Today on Thrivecast, we're stepping into the real conversation about human evolution with Coot Blackson. Coot is a bestselling author, transformational teacher, and a member of the Transformational Leadership Council, truly one of the voices shaping what I would call the evolution of human consciousness. What I've always respected is that his work isn't just something you listen to, it's something you experience, whether that's through his teachings or the life-changing immersive environments he's created around the world.
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In this conversation, we go into surrender, into truth, into what it actually takes to follow your soul when it doesn't make sense. This one goes deep. So let's dive in. Koot Blackson, welcome to Thrivecast. Thanks for having me. It's a joy.
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So it's been a while. We go way back. 2003. It's pretty wild. It kind of feels like we've blinked, and it also feels like we've lived a lifetime. So for those of you tuning in to the Thrivecast, Coot is a friend of mine that I met back in the transformational initiation, I would say, of understanding masculine and feminine energies and really...
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enlightenment intensives and how to come into pure presence. That was really in the pretty early days for me. For you, Coot, you were already an old man by sort of your journey standards at that point when you've started at eight years old. Yeah.
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So this is something when I dipped back into your world and I saw that you had spoken to 3,000 people at eight years old, I thought, okay, this is a significant start to your journey. You were ordained as a minister under your father's spiritual organization at 14. And then at 17, you decided to leave your spiritual inheritance, sort of this empire, right?
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and to seek your own journey in America. Have I got the beginnings of your journey down right? That's the essence, for sure. That's the essence, yeah. It's a pretty powerful essence to actually be in a position that you're in, to walk away from sort of that level of inheritance. A million followers, 300 churches, have I got that right? 300 churches at the height, a huge church in London, yes. This is incredible. But what a start for you in your journey, I think.
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You know, I, like my first memories as a young boy was seeing, I remember seeing crippled people picking up the gravel that my father walked on, wiping it on their face and stand up, seeing blind people see and deaf people hear and people standing up out of wheelchairs my father would.
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look at a person in a wheelchair and say, why are you in this wheelchair? You're not sick, stand up. But I haven't walked in 10 years. Do you believe in the power of God? Do you believe? Do you believe? Yes. Then if you really believe, then stand up. And I would see this happen day after day, every weekend, every Sunday. And I didn't think anything unusual about it because that's honestly all I knew. So in many ways, it was a real blessing to grow up in an environment where
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There were no real limitations where it was a world of all possibilities, truly. And that was my reality. And I remember when I was 14 years old and my father announced to the congregation, my son is taking over my ministry. He is my successor. And everybody was excited. And I should have been excited. But there was something inside of my soul, beyond my mind and beyond my logic, that
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My heart sank and I knew, I knew inside of my being that this was not my path. The church, even though my father was a very spiritual man, very mystical man, he went to India in the 60s, even though he had these churches, had an enlightenment awakening experience, like truly went up to the Himalayas.
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became awakened, so to speak, came back, kept his churches, shifted his philosophy from old school religion to more about Christ consciousness, that we all have this potentiality of the Christ within us, that Christ wasn't just a human individual, but was actually a consciousness that is accessible to us also. By the time I was born...
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He was a real spiritually awakened man on one level. Yet I knew that the structure of religion, the form of the church, it wasn't my path. And I couldn't explain why. And for four years, I...
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I kind of tried to fit myself into a box of being who I thought the world wanted me to be, my father wanted me to be, everyone wanted me to be, and I went through a deep internal conflict and turmoil. And I struggled, and I tried to make sense of it all, and nothing made sense because I loved my father and I felt this calling to make a difference.
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for humanity and people. And I saw a vision in my life of reaching millions of people, yet it wasn't through the church. I was clearly being guided. That was something else, but I had no idea as a young kid, what is that something else? And when I was 17-ish, 17 and a half, I had a very clear direction from my soul that said, go to America, your destiny lies in America.
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Now, I chose not to go to university, no college education, didn't come from a rich background, no father support, nothing. And my fear was if I dared to follow my truth, if I dared to follow my calling, if I dared to follow what I knew was real inside of my being, I would be alone. I would be outcast. I'd be abandoned. I'd lose my father. It would just be, you know, I'd be thrown out. And sure enough, when I was 17, I felt this fear.
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unshakable calling, go to America. And I think when your soul guides you, it often doesn't make sense to your mind. It often doesn't make sense to your logic or your personality. And I think in fact, it's not meant to make sense to your mind or your ego because the soul guidance is arising from a deeper dimension of your being that is unconditioned.
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And most of us were living and we're creating from ego. And the reality is the ego is conditioned by past experience. So whatever we create is still limited. And so when we're guided, it doesn't make sense. And the challenge is most of us, we talk ourselves out of our true guidance. We talk ourselves out of our true soul direction because the ego part of us tries to understand what the guidance we've been given. We try to make sense of the guidance we've been given, and then we kind of
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overanalyzed and we tried to control and we think if I can control and understand this guidance I've been given, then I won't get hurt again, then I'll be safe. And before you know it, we end up not following our soul. And so I was given this clear guidance and I decided at a young age to say yes to it.
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No idea what the hell I was going to do and how things were going to unfold, but I knew what that meant. And I knew this would mean having a conversation with my father, leaving the church, basically the end of my life as I knew it, which is why it took me, you know, at 14, I'm a kid and my father's iconic.
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It took me four years of grieving the death of myself and my life and the life I thought I was gonna have and having to make peace with the fact that I may never have a relationship with my father ever again. And I finally began to make peace with that. And so when I was given this clip,
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directive, I felt like I didn't have a choice. That was what it felt like. It was like I didn't have a choice and I could resist it and I could go against it, yet I couldn't at the same time. And so I surrendered. You know, this was, you could say, a first moment of profound, deep surrender before I even knew what the word really meant. And I left everything behind, renounced everything, had the conversation with my father. We didn't speak for two years, which was incredibly devastating and painful. But I knew what,
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I had to do and it felt like my soul was guiding me. Long story short, I ended up winning a green card in the green card lottery and that brought me to the US, that brought me to America, 18 years old, two suitcases, $800 in my pocket and no idea, just following my soul. And I think if there's something I have done in my life, for better or for worse, it's I have always...
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I have never compromised the deep knowing inside of my heart, inside of my being. I've never compromised the guidance of my soul. And what I have found is if you follow your soul, you will always end up in the right place at the right time, doing the right thing with the right people, even though the pathway that you take may not make sense. You're going to think that you're on the wrong path. You're going to think that you made a mistake.
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But even the mistake that you think is a mistake is actually a necessary evolutionary learning for your soul so that you can grow and evolve and become the person who's capable of fulfilling the true vision that is guiding you, the true vision that your soul is seeking to manifest. And so I followed my soul and 18 years old, came to America and it was terrifying and I was scared. And, you know, sometimes people...
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When you find your purpose, you know, it's like the self-help field. Sometimes I think those people are disservice because it's like when you find your purpose, everything happens and the unicorns manifest and you can manifest anything and everything appears and everything is at your feet. Sometimes when you manifest your purpose, that's when the real shit, that's when the real stuff happens.
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falls apart. That's when life breaks down. It's not always like this rainbows and roses and caramels and unicorns. Sometimes that's when you're forced to go into the deep unknown, the dark night of the soul, where you question everything about what was, everything about who you were, and you have to enter into a void. And a lot of people end up thinking that
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I'm following my soul and yet things are falling apart. I'm doing something wrong. Maybe I made the wrong decision. And I have found that the tests that you have to go through when you follow your soul are not a sign that you're on the wrong path. To me, that's a sign that you're actually on the right path. Life is giving you these opportunities. It's like life is a gymnasium and it's giving you the opportunities to...
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to grow your consciousness, to grow your soul muscle, to develop the soul force so that you can be the person who is truly capable of fulfilling the vision that you've been given. And so many times the dreams that we have, I've seen, and the vision that we've been given, we're given the vision, but now we're forced to go on the journey, an evolutionary journey of becoming the person. And so the tests and the challenges we face are really blessings in disguise that we have to unwrap. And so that began my journey.
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You know, that began my journey. And so it was difficult. It was challenging. It was hard. Many times, you know, the last thing I'll say is many times we pray like, God, give me guidance. I want to see. I want to see the path. I want clarity. The truth is, if we were given the complete clarity for our life, if we were given the total pathway of how life was going to unfold, looking back now, if I was given that, I would have been given the total pathway.
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I would not have gotten on the plane. I would not have left London. If I knew how difficult it was going to be and some of the challenges I would have faced, I would have just stayed home. And so I think many times the universe, it doesn't give you the entire pathway because you wouldn't take the step. And so I think we're given in life. The universe gives us the exact step or information and guidance that we need so that we can take the next step and take the next step and take the next step. And so it's been a hell of a journey, but I'll pause there.
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Amazing. Your beginning of your whole journey, Kut, is just, I think what it reminds me of with you is that transformation is not intellectual. Yes. The lived experience and that we're being breathed and we're being moved and to tap into that, to plug into that. And in order to do that, we have to be in the present moment. We have to be available, surrendered. Surrender. Surrender.
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I was compelled. One of the favorite things that I stumbled across in my journey and keeping in mind, too, like the whole conversation we're having here at Thrive Evolution, right? Thrive Cast is the broadcasting arm of Thrive Evolution, which is an absolute...
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beacon in my world, in my heart, for what it means to evolve right now. How do we thrive? What is this evolutionary journey that we're on both personally and collectively and civilizationally? We're at this huge turning point. And now what does it look like to not only do the personal transformation, but to collectively transform together and then civilizationally
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begin to work with this mirror manifestation that you refer to. And where I saw that seminal point with you was when you were talking about being on the train in India, and I've been on the train in India. And so you took me right back to that moment. And if you've been on a train in India and I was on that same train, I guarantee you we were on the same train. As you spoke of it, I felt like I cried also for hours to just be that close to human suffering
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And we don't see it where, you know, where I was born. This is not something that you see, but to go and to see that this is how people live day in, day out for miles and miles and miles. Tell me a little bit more and everyone listening about that experience and how transformative that was for you. It really was the birthplace of so many of the things that you offer. Yeah. You know, I found myself in a moment of my life where.
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And I won't go into all of that right now, but I found myself in a moment of my life where everything that I had tried to manifest and make happen didn't seem to work. I felt as though I had reached the end or the edge of my ego's capacity to make shit happen.
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And I just threw my hands up and I said, God, I don't know. I don't know. And so I literally, I just gave up. And I said to myself, I want answers for myself, answers for why I'm here and what I'm here to do and what my purpose is and show me. And that's when I was guided, go to India. And so I traveled far and wide.
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all over India seeking for answers. I basically, you know, I was in my early 20s, shaved my head, broke up with my girlfriend, put everything in storage, took a backpack and started traveling. And I went to the North, I went to the Himalayas, I went to Varanasi, I went to Delhi, I went to Bombay. I was looking for teachers and gurus who could give me answers to what is this? What is this whole thing about? Why are we here? Why am I here? What is the nature of reality? And so, and I met some amazing teachers and gurus and, you know, had great wisdom and philosophies.
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A moment my life really changed when I jumped onto the back of this train in the poorest state in India called Bihar. And because I was late, I jumped on, so I didn't really have a seat and I was sardine canned with just people.
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in the third class section of this train. And it's intense, as you know, it's intense. And the train is rolling and I'm sitting, I'm standing on this train. And I remember seeing this mother, this woman with three children. And it's like, you could tell that she didn't have anything. She had nothing. I mean, she was like physically poor in a certain sense. They say that
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people that live in this state, if you sold everything that they had, maybe their net worth would be $20. I mean, it's crazy. The entire net worth is $20. And I remember seeing she had this, these children that looked malnourished and starving and the light seemed to be going out of her eyes. And one of the kids, the head was literally hanging out of this moving train
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And I thought if this kid died right here, nobody would give a shit. Nobody would know like what is the value of human life? And here we are in Beverly Hills, Ferraris and Bentleys and Rolls Royces. And we're sending people to the moon. And we value a car more than we value human life, a child's life. And I just wept.
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just feeling the suffering of humanity. And I thought I was so disconnected from, I didn't grow up in great wealth, but I didn't grow up like this. And so just the suffering, the raw suffering of humanity hit me and cracked me open in such a deep way.
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And I started weeping. And as I looked into this mother's eyes, and she looked into my eyes, and we looked into each other's eyes, and I started crying, it felt as though what was looking at her was looking at me. And in a certain sense, there was no one looking. There was no separation. There was just one looking.
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as itself, at itself, through itself. And my heart just cracked because I just felt compassion. I just felt like true love, the inherent recognition of the oneness of us all. And my heart just sort of exploded for love. We are one. And how did we forget? And so that really inspired me in many ways to feel into how do I
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remind people of this deeper reality. How do I awaken people to this deeper reality? How do I show people so that they can have an experience within themselves of the truth of who they are in a really experiential way? And that experience cracked me open and grounded me in such a profound way and has inspired, you could say, so much of my work and so much of what I do. And that's why,
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Yeah, I think you're right. My work isn't simply, you know, sort of intellectual teaching, highfalutin information because it's all great. But I really seek to give people an experiential sort of a lived experience in my work of touching into the truth of who they are.
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really access the truth of who I am, then I know if I know who I am, then I know who you are. And that there's really is no separation. It just is. There's apparent separation, but it's just an illusion. And I think so much of the suffering of the world and humanity and wars, what have you, is because we are trapped into this illusory
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This illusion that we are separate and we are not. And the matrix and society and politics and media and advertising and all of these systems and paradigms try to perpetuate this idea that we are separate. Because if we believe that we are separate, separate from each other, separate from source, then we are disconnected from the true sense of what we really are. Our true abundance, our true infinity, our true power, our true enoughness.
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Then I think we can be easily controlled and manipulated and so much of the suffering arises from that. So yeah, that experience changed my life. There's so much I could say. I feel like you and I need to see each other in person and chat to catch up on so many things.
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I'm not going to go into what I experienced in India, but I traveled all over India. I lived there for years and went and lived in an ashram. Did the whole thing. Broke up with the boyfriend, shaved the head. It's like if you really are a deep seeker, it sort of has to be done. So you went from there on to create liberational one-on-one journeys with your clients. You would take them to India.
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This is wild. I can't even imagine. With these people, they give you their passport, they give you their complete trust, and you're going to these places, Varanasi, you're looking at all these people pilgrimaging there to go and die at the Ganges River. I can only imagine the places that you took them.
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Just to give context, I came back from India and I started coaching people one-on-one before coaching was a popular thing. This is 25, 20-some years ago. And I started coaching people one-on-one. And after a few years, it's funny, when I was on the back of the train, I had a vision. And sometimes a vision is a seed that is planted that needs a moment to germinate. And I realized I needed to become a...
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the consciousness that could hold the vision, but the vision I got on the back of the train was, wouldn't it be amazing if leaders and visionaries were on this train? You know, presidents and prime ministers and people and billionaires and people in Oprah, people in a leadership position who could, through their consciousness shifting and transforming, could
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could impact and transform systems, companies, corporations, a dime systems, industries. And I thought, wow, that'd be amazing. And I just kind of forgot about it. And around, so I started coaching people and transforming lives in around 2005, 2006, I felt the sort of click, the download, like it's time. Time for what? It's time for that journey.
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That journey. Oh, yeah, it's time for that journey. And so the journey was called the Liberation Experience. Started out as a 14-day, ended up 12. The 14-day transformational journey where I take you to India. I take away your passport, take away your money. You have a backpack, one pair of clothes. You have no idea where you're going. You sign your will in case you don't come back. And you write letters to everyone in your life in case you die, by the way. And you give me...
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And give me full permission to do whatever is necessary to transform you. And so what does that mean? This means whenever is necessary. And it's not a tool by any means. Yes, I take people to different places that can maybe serve as lubricants or activations for people. But what I do on those journeys is I create a process that is designed to help people
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become conscious of the deepest sort of internal blocks that are keeping them stuck and helping them free themselves ultimately from their deepest patterns and layers of conditioning. And it's a freedom journey. It's a process of freedom. And so I'm 24-7, you know, like you go to a therapist or a seminar, you go for an hour, you go for a weekend, 24-7, you're stuck with me and
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you know, when people sleep and I'm processing you all the time on trains, on planes, walking and, you know, on the Ganges banks in the middle of field with cows. And I'm basically using India as the classroom to facilitate transformation. And what I'm doing on those journeys is really exposing your deepest unresolved patterns that prevent you from being the fullest authentic
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It's a wild, wild. I wrote about it in my first book, You Are the One. But that doesn't even honestly cover five to 10% of what the journey really is, because it was, it's insane. You wouldn't believe the stuff that occurred on the journey. I might a little bit. I might just have a little, having lived there and traveled there and pilgrimage there, you know, we went, we did a lot of, I traveled with someone who had an ashram there.
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And we went into places that we couldn't go and get into unless we were with him. And we experienced things that like you from a young age, if you if you see things, no, believe me, if I told them half the stuff I saw. But and so I don't talk about it because people would be like, you know, and so but once you've seen these things, you realize that reality is not what we think it is or what or what the programming is.
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And when I go back to your early starts or, you know, my early starts, you and I actually have a lot of similarities in our in our start. I had a father who was was very much like your father, not in, you know, he didn't own churches. But, you know, I think they would have been friends. Right.
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Dad passed a couple of years ago, but he was my best friend. And he took me on so many wild adventures and showed me. He lived in India with me for a while. And he was there with me when I birthed my children at home. And I had a really special relationship with my dad. And India is such a unique place on so many levels. But to take people there...
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is one thing to take people who are involved at high level positions. What is the greatest takeaway there for people listening right now? On the surface, it appears that we're different. But the surface, the personality, the bank account, the titles are just labels that we have acquired and collected over time. But those labels are not really who we are.
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And I think at the deepest level, we are all the same. At the deepest level of humanity, at the deepest level of source, we are just pure. We are all the one light. At the deepest level of humanity, I think also what I found is doesn't matter if you're black, white, green, orange, you know, live in a slum in India, live in the billion dollar mansion in India or Beverly Hills, we all have the same insecurities.
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the same fears, the same concerns, the same, we breathe the same, we shit the same, we eat the same, we cry the same. We're all the same. This is just the surface level costume that we're wearing. And so even the CEO who has made $500 million has similar insecurities or fears or...
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I have everything that money can buy, yet I don't feel meaning in my life. I have everything money can buy, but what am I doing with my life? Where am I going with my life? I have everything money can buy, but I still have concerns for my children and I want my children to live a good life and be happy. And so I think at the deepest level, we have the same concerns, the same fears, maybe on a different magnitude in a different way. So that's one thing I would say. I think we are more alike as humanity than we are different.
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The other thing is, in many ways, we think we're free, you know. Oh, I'm free. I'm just free. But the moment I take someone out of their regular environment, the moment I take away your cell phone, the moment I take away your makeup, the moment I take away your shoes, your socks, your car, your CEO title, what have you, and put you in a completely different environment, often that sense of freedom collapses. And so, so much of our sense of,
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Freedom is dependent and conditionally based on external things, on external factors. And for me, real freedom, real true freedom is not conditional. Real true freedom is not based on what you have, what you don't have, your cell phone, your title, bank account. Real true freedom is an inner state of being. It's what we truly are. It's our true essence.
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It's innate. It's our natural state. And I think many, many times we have lost touch with that natural state. And so when I look at a lot of us in the West, when I look at a lot of CEO types, a lot of times the true sense of freedom is so conditional based on title, bank account, role, fame, success, status. But the moment you take all that away, who are you really? Who are you really?
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And so for me, this is the question I ask people, but not through just conversation, but through process and showing people. So in India on these journeys, I take away everything. They have nothing. I take away everything, take away control, take away everything.
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nobody knows who the hell they are. And then we're forced to find out who we really are. And so many of us, we've just created so many labels for ourselves. And we identify ourselves as all of those labels. And the more tightly we hold onto those labels that have often been passed down to us and created and stories that we've made up, the more tightly we hold onto those labels as ourselves,
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the less free we are, the less authentic and expressed we are, because we're locked into living a prison of identity, a prison of those labels. And so the journey in my work is really about helping free people, you know, more than anything. I kind of give this analogy, like if
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If we think we have free will, and many people say, oh, I have free will. But do we really have free will? We think we have free will, but the degree to which we are conditioned is the degree to which we're not free. And most of us, we don't realize until we start questioning and traveling and going to events and traveling.
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asking questions. Most of us don't realize that we're living a pre-programmed script that has been passed down to us for lifetimes from parents, from generations, you know, from our lineage, from our childhood. And so until we start becoming conscious and aware and have the courage to start questioning ourselves, we don't have the free will. We're just repeating the patterns of our own conditioning. If you look at a child, a child is free when they're born and they incarnate into
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There's a light in their eyes. There's a freedom in their essence and their being. They jump on the table and they sing and they dance. They don't give a shit if they can't sing like Celine Dion or dance like Bruno Mars. And they're not like, oh, what do I look like? I've got some satellite on my legs. And how do I look? They're just being fully self-expressed and fully free. They're in touch with the light. Light, life is moving through them. Yet what happened to us? The conditioning process starts. We meet our parents.
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God bless them. You know, our parents do the best that they knew how to do based on their parents and their life and generations. And maybe dad was crazy. Mom was crazy. Maybe there was some dysfunction there. Every one of us in the human incarnation, we have some something to work through, you know, some lessons to work through. And so as children, two things happen. The first thing is we learn.
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often unconsciously, all sorts of strategies to disconnect, not feel, function, and survive. So we start shutting down parts of ourselves and suppressing emotions and the unprocessed layers of emotions start building up. And our true light, our true authentic expression, our true essence, our true magnificence often
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gets a little buried to varying degrees underneath the layers of unprocessed emotion and feeling that we've learned to suppress as a way of survival. And we develop all sorts of survival defense mechanisms to just function and cope, strategies to function and cope. And then we learn a way of being of, you know, who do I need to be
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in order to fit in. Who do I need to be in order to get mom and dad to love me? For me, I thought I needed to be the perfect son, the good boy, the independent one, the one who took care of everyone. And so we develop a role and a mask and a persona. And before you know it, we're age four, age five, age six, shutting down our feelings, suppressing those feelings, and then contorting ourselves into a shape to become who we think we need to be in order to get love, validation, and approval. Now,
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That gets reinforced over a decade or two. And before you know, now we're finding ourselves living inside of this prison of a personality that's been created. And we think that the version of ourselves that we've become is who we are, but it's not. It's just a conditioned pattern that we've adopted to function, survive and get love and approval and validation. And so I think we don't realize that we're not free until life stops working or until we start...
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cycling certain patterns over and over again or attracting certain dynamics and relationships. And so what worked for us as young children, what worked for us at 15, what worked for us at 20, we start realizing, wait a second, it worked to help me function and navigate that time of my life back then. But it's now inhibiting the full explosion of myself, it's inhibiting the next level of my evolution. And so I think life is a process of
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of becoming conscious and aware and having the courage to question oneself and question one's identity. And life is a process of, you could say, healing away the layers so that we can return to who we've always been. We can return to what we always were all along, but just kind of forgot in the process of life. And so that's the essence of what I do. You're a dad now. Yeah, I have a beautiful son. Yeah. He's four? What's that? He's four. Yeah.
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My son is almost three, almost three. And he's, he's my guru. He's my true guru. Right. He's my guru. I like all of these gurus from India. I mean, they're amazing. But the real guru for me is my son. I agree. He's a reflection of so much of who I am and the work I've done, the work I need to do. Because he copies everything I do. You know, I say, oh, shit. He's saying, oh, shit. Oh, man, I need to be better. So...
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It is a profound journey. I was told I couldn't have kids after, you know, I had two near-death experiences, flatlined, crossed over. I spent many years healing, both very unique experiences, both different experiences, one at 19 and one at 26. And so I wasn't expecting to have kids. And that's a whole other story.
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the experience that came for me when I had my first child and to look that child in the eyes and what you see and what looks back at you, like you explained on the train, like that this illusion of separateness just vanishes when you look at your child for the first time, you know, because they're so close from it. They just came fresh, you know, they're still just so in that source essence.
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But you're absolutely right. I mean, I've done a lot of stuff in my life that I think is pretty hard, pretty tough stuff. And parenting is one of the genuine hardest things I've ever done.
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Parenting is true spiritual practice and path. Because if we talk about spirituality being a path of, shall we say, loosening the grip of your ego and surrendering beyond your own self-egoness as a spiritual path, you know, the whole point of yoga and meditation, then I think an ultimate spiritual path is parenting because...
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It is no longer about you. And it really does require you to transcend your ego and move beyond your ego in so many ways. And so it's humbling. It's profound. It's awakening. It's all of it. You know, it's deep. It's a good ass whooping.
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It's so humbling. We're still really days. Just wait, brother. Just wait. It gets spicier. I've got now a couple of teenagers. On that note, there's also a lot of surrendering. Yeah. Because if you don't surrender, you're fucked. You know, like you have to surrender. This is the element that I love in your teachings. It's a deep path to actually get to the point where you can take a deep breath and just unclutched.
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And it takes such deep trust to do that. This is such a beautiful message that you carry through your work. I just want to quote you here. We are in the midst of the greatest spiritual revolution the world has ever seen. And I thought after watching the last thing I watched of yours was your recent YouTube video talking about the darkness on the planet and this evolutionary tension that we're facing. And so I'd like to talk about that and, you know, where humanity's at, at this evolutionary turn. Yeah.
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and how you're putting this into context for people so that they can palette what they're seeing externally. You know, I think I personally am really excited about what is happening on planet Earth, because I feel we're at a point where I see humanity evolving very rapidly and very quickly in a certain way. And when we look at the world, I think it's easy to feel hopeless or go, what's going on? The world's
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is falling apart but i would say the world is falling apart as we have known it because there is something more than before that is seeking to emerge as a planet as a species as a humanity you know and so when we look at the world to me the world
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is simply a reflection, a mirror manifestation of the totality of the consciousness of all humanity combined. The world that we see out here is really a reflection. There really is no world out here. The world out here is a reflection of the total collection of the consciousness of all of our
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consciousness, psyche, projections out here reflected into the world. And the screen that we see of the world out here is really reflecting our most deeply held beliefs, thoughts, feelings, and emotions. So I think if we want to see what we all believe collectively, just look at the world.
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the leaders, the presidents, the prime ministers, the leaders, the wars, it's a reflection. And so I think one thing is to point the finger at the world and go, you know, Trump, Biden, this person, that person. But I think all that does is create more of a sense of separation, more of a sense of division.
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And all that does is kind of perpetuate this current state of the world by blaming or judging or pointing the finger. I think if we really take on, okay, the world that we see is a mirror manifestation of the collective consciousness of the totality of us all combined. If we really want to transform the planet, I think it's not enough to simply go out and protest. It's not enough to simply make new laws. It's not enough to simply go out and fight the current system. If the world is a mirror,
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then I think what we can all do is look at ourselves and ask ourselves, what does the world mirror to me about myself? What does the world show me about myself? What does Trump, Biden, whoever, whatever, Prime Minister, Putin, Iran, what does this reflect to me about myself?
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And I think if we're willing to do that, then we stop the separation of pointing the finger and making that leader, that situation as an other. And then we can integrate that person, that projection back into ourselves and go, wow, how do I lie?
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Where do I live out of integrity? Where do I not tell the truth? Where do I hide some shit? Epstein, Epstein, yeah, where do I keep things in the dark shadow and secret? And I don't want people to sort of know some of the stuff I've done, like Epstein files in your own consciousness, in your own self, in your own psyche, in your own shadow.
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And so when I look at the world right now and all, it looks like the world is going to shit all of the stuff that has been buried deep in the shadow psyche of the consciousness of humanity is the way I see it. It is now coming up to light racism, division, this wars, what have you, whatever it's all of that. Darkness is coming to light to the surface, to,
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for us to see, for us to be aware of, for us to transmute, for us to transform, for us to be able to really, for us to be able to see our own selves mirrored out there so that we can no longer run away from it, no longer deny it, no longer project it. We must own it and heal it within ourselves.
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Where am I divided in my own consciousness, the division of me and the divine, the division of me versus you, my own internal racism against myself or another? We have to own that. And I think where am I at war within myself? Where am I dropping bombs of self-hatred in my own consciousness about myself, about my body, about everything, about myself? And I think if we're willing to look at that.
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and integrate that, then we can no longer project, but own the projection, come back into oneness, shift our psyche, shift our consciousness, shift our belief system, heal ourselves from inside. And I think when we do that, you might not be able to
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influence the president or a government. But I think when we do that, we are shifting our energetic vibration as a result, raising our vibration to a higher state of consciousness. And as a result, we are transmitting a whole new frequency that does affect the energetic space and consciousness of our surroundings and those around us. And so I think we all have the power to change ourselves. And in changing ourselves,
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Because there really is no separation between ourselves and what's out there. Through changing ourselves, we end up changing the world. And if I do it and you do it and we all do it individually, slowly with a bit of time, or maybe not time, but with a moment of time, the projection shifts.
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And then, you know, five years from now, three years from now, 10 years from now, 20 years from now, as we all start waking up more and more and more, the projection shifts and what we start seeing projected out into the world becomes also a reflection of our most integrated inner state of being. And so I think before any true breakthrough, before any true healing, before any real transformation happens, even on a personal level.
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Often we have to face those parts of ourselves that we have denied, we have avoided, we have run away from, the pain, the hurt, the shame, the guilt, whatever that we've suppressed deep into our psyche. We have to bring it to the surface and own it and feel it and release it and let it go.
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and so that it can be transmuted, and so that it can be forgiven. And so that is the personal process of true, you could say, healing. And so when I look at the world, all of that stuff is coming to the surface right now as a process. We are in a process of the purification of the consciousness of humanity as a whole, and as a result, our own consciousness as well. And so in that sense, I feel as though we're being purified. We're going through a cleansing process.
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It's like if you have a swimming pool, right? And on the surface, it looks clean, but you haven't cleaned that pool. And there's a bunch of shit at the bottom of the pool for decades. It looks clean. You can swim in it. You can pretend. Now, everything's fine. But the moment you get down to the bottom of the pool, you're like, oh, shit, what's all this stuff down here? And if you swim in that pool, it might look okay, but you will get sick.
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And I think that's what has happened for a long time. And I think right now, all that stuff that has been buried at the bottom of the pool is now coming up. And it looks a bit messy. It looks a bit dirty. But that is a part of the authentic, true cleansing, not just the superficial cosmetic cleanse.
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And so it's an intense moment, you know, it's a powerful moment. It's an intense moment. It's, I think, more and more, we have to be prepared for more and more and more and more to be exposed, to come up to the surface for us to see. And everything that was buried in secret, everything that has been hidden, everything that has been suppressed and denied must come up and will come up over this next period of time. And that is the...
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the quickened evolution that is happening on planet Earth because we're ready for this moment. And so that's when I'm excited. When I see what is happening, it looks like, oh, shit, the pool is getting dirtier. No, it was always dirty. It was always dirty down there. You just didn't see it. And so just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't contaminating and affecting us as a humanity.
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It's like, Johnny, get out of the pool, you know, but you don't you don't want Johnny playing in the pool. This is this is the thing that's so tricky with this transition is for those of us that have children, for those of us that that know children is probably a better way to put it. Anyone who cares about the next generation, the amount of change is radical.
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Right. So how we meet that change has to be radical. And this is one of the reasons I wanted to have you on is I don't see you as radical in the sense of when we watch you and you come so much from the heart and you speak so much truth. Your radicalness comes across to me when you press people by saying, you know, what are you not being honest about? Yeah. Where are you lying to yourself? Yes.
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And to actually have that accountability on the personal level, I want to start to shift the conversation to what does this mean now for the systems built? For example, for you, you're on the Transformational Leadership Council. I do know that you've been given several prestigious awards, which I think are of mention. And I want to mention those because I want the people listening to understand that you have a humility, which is beautiful, but you have an opportunity here in my mind to.
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If you wanted to really step onto the world stage as an evolutionary leader, that's why you're here on the Thrivecast. That's what we do here is we look at people who we genuinely want other people to know and to see and to feel and to experience and who've worked with people at the personal level, but who also have the ability now to shift into how do we build this new era? And what do these new era builders look like? What are they saying? How are we doing it?
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impulse for the build is so strong and i'm like hunting who out there is ready to build who's getting the visions for the new systems hi everyone excuse me as i drop in here for just a moment at thrivecast we believe in the business of change and in today's world where business has so many different faces we've decided to help enable transformation by promoting new era entrepreneurs thought leaders whose businesses are making a real impact and whose work aligns with the thriveolution principles
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to relax and just melts away those fears, melts away those layers, and opens you to who you truly are, opens you to the bliss of your being. This journey, this program, is not for everyone. It's really for a select group,
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There is so much available to each and every one of you. I invite you to cross over to the other side. Join me on a journey of boundless bliss.
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You're one of the best in the ring, I think. Thank you. And that's why I know I don't want to put you on the spot, but I do want to hear what you're in your heart, in your soul, in your vision, your feeling for this new era in the midst of what we face with all of it. We haven't even gotten into AI yet.
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and the technology, the synthetic sort of kind of seeming takeover. And yet the juxtaposition for us humanity to sort of stay human, keep rocking out the human vibes, right? I'm excited about AI on one level. You know, there's also some caveat in that. But I am excited about AI if we're able to use it wisely, if we're able to use it with intelligence in that I think
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If we use it with intelligence and not outsource our wisdom to AI in an artificial way, I think that it will free up time to free us to be able to connect more deeply with ourselves, to free up the mundane...
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of tasks in life and job so that we have more spaciousness and time to be able to think rather than being caught up on the hamster wheel of the matrix that doesn't want us to breathe and think and keeps us stuck in a loop, that it can free us up to think and vision and be more creative and truly direct our energy to purpose and service and impact.
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And I think that the new currency in five, 10, I mean, maybe two years, five years, three, 10 years, 20 years in an age of AI where information will be basically meaningless. Because now a high school kid can plug into AI, read AI and sound like a freaking enlightened genius because they're reading the script of what AI is telling them to say.
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But just talking about something doesn't mean embodying it and being it and transmitting it. And so I think we're going to move from an information currency age of valuing information to really actually the real value will be the humanity, the creativity, our intuition. These things that cannot be, I would say, AI, I think will become truly, the human will become truly valuable.
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I feel moving forward, you know, because these are things that cannot be replicated or duplicated through AI. And so in that sense, I think the real courage is how can we be more human? How can we be more authentic? How can we be more real? How can we be more truthful? How can we tap into more of our intuition? And I think there's going to be room for those of us who have the courage to lean into that as...
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true leadership, for true leadership. And I think that as parents, one of the, you know, I think AI will potentially revolutionize the education system because what is education? Now you just plug your homework into an AI, it's like, for me, what was the point of fricking education anyway? So I think AI is gonna make that obsolete, which is gonna force us to, if we have the courage again, to reimagine a new way of truly educating our children. Because I think the current education model
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is broken from the standpoint of we send our kids to a factory to brainwash our children, how to basically not think and to indoctrinate them in a certain program way of thinking to prepare them to basically be controlled and conditioned. And so I think the reimagining of a new education system that, what would it look like? I'm not sure, but that can preserve
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freedom of a child's innate state, creativity, aliveness, and connection. And so in that sense, I think AI is going to destroy the current educational model, but we have to be the ones that can rethink what would that look like? You know, a child spends eight to 10 hours of their day in a factory being programmed. And what does it look like now to raise free kids? I think one of the first places we can start as human beings, and one of the greatest gifts that
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parents can give their children is your own consciousness, your own healing, your own liberation, because that expanded consciousness is what holds the nervous system and holds the energy of a child. You know, that's one thing that that holding space is what holds the
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the nervous system, consciousness of a child, which allows them to grow and blossom into their own innate expression. But also, I think as parents, what we don't realize is we talk about generational wealth, passing on generational wealth. Yeah, but for me, true generational wealth is consciousness because
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The patterns that we don't heal and shift within ourselves, the secrets that have gone unresolved in our generations, energetically, vibrationally get passed on to our children. When I look at my son today, when I looked at him in the first few days, in the first few months, there was an energy, there was a vibration, there was a frequency, or I saw that he was free. The work I had done for the
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my lineage of men and father and patriarch, all of these things that I had healed and shifted and worked through in the last 25 years, my son was energetically free of and that I saw completely shifted his timeline. And so as parents, I feel as though one of the greatest impacts we can have for our children's future is our own healing because then they no longer have to play out the unresolved patterns that have been passed down to us from generations that flow through generations.
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And so anyway, I'm excited about the future. I don't know what the future holds, to be honest, because I think moving so fast, but I'm excited to participate in the co-creation of it. I just got such huge shivers when you were sharing about your son, like huge. My whole body just was like lit right up, like incredible what you're saying. Many of us, we live in...
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a life that is that many of us, we're not really living our own life. We're living the energetic karmic momentum of the unresolved life and patterns passed down through generations. There's three pillars that affect a human's life or success. Number one, destiny or karma.
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We're born into an energetic preset momentum stream of energy based on past life, based on generations, based on unresolved patterns and everything from our lineage. And now we're born into a momentum stream of energy and that affects our life in some way. Right. That's about maybe, let's say, 33 percent.
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The other 33% is our own decision, intention, shall we say, effort and willpower to say, okay, I'm born with these patterns, but maybe through my healing, maybe through my effort, maybe through my internal work, I'm going to clear some things, shift some things. And I don't have to stay stuck in that. I'm born into poverty, but I don't have to stay stuck in that. And so the other 33% is our own, uh,
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intention work, goal power, creativity, our own application of ourselves. So that's 33%. So we do have the power to shift in a sense. The other 33% is environment. The environment, the house, the location, the spaces, relationship environments that we grow up in.
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Because as we expand our consciousness, what a lot of times we don't realize, and maybe this would be something in terms of, okay, what does the future hold? Is many times people expand, but then they go back into an environment that is contracted. And then we don't realize how much our energy system starts conforming to an old environment that starts conditioning us back down to a small frequency. And so the other 33% of life and success is
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And so I think maybe projecting into the future, what would it be like to create communities, cities, trees, towns, you know, that are even architecturally built?
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optimized feng shui'd you know in a certain way to optimize for the energetic vibrational flow and awakening because a lot of the architecture feng shui of how cities are set up as a flow itself in a city is is actually energetically making people crazy and so i think environments structuring environments
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in a way that can hold people, enhance people's chi and energetic expansion and happiness and joy on a structural level, I think will be interesting for the future as a, you know, enlightened city planning, enlightened environmental architecture, because...
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spending time in environments that are conditioning us. You know, you go into a temple in India, like, whoa, I just feel just something opened up. Wow, what happened? The structure is mechanically and architecturally dialed in to expand your energy and consciousness. So, you know, I'm curious in the future, what would it be like to design structures, architecture, cities to keep people awake?
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Mm hmm. This is this is one of our calls with Thriveolution is to call in the architects, the builders, the creators, the visionaries, the changemakers, the network of transformation of the people who are building the new era.
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We don't like so much of what we're experiencing externally at the moment. I think you talk to most people just what you said, you know, the way that our environment has been curated in the majority of places, certainly the Western world or newer places in the Western world. Go to India, you go to Bali where you're doing your boundless bliss retreats. And it's different. That's why we love it.
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It makes sense, right? You go even areas in China you go to, the ancient places, the places that are working off of ancient wisdom and ancient knowledge, the old temples and cathedrals, they're just different. If you look at now, the music, the culture, so much, almost everything, actually, we've got this really ripe opportunity in this inversion where everything is designed in this realm on this planet at the moment.
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to be the opposite of what empowers us. It's like we've chosen the hardest video game possible. And I've heard you speak to this effect somewhat, basically like don't expect to come into this life and expect it to be easy. That's not this game. That's not the game you chose. Yeah, yeah. Right? The way I see is this dimension that we're living in, this 3D realm of relativity,
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is made up of interdependent polaric opposites. That's the nature of life. It's not a utopia. It's not, this realm is not a realm of perfection and unlimitedness, this realm. That's not the point of this realm. It's like the point of going to India is not that it looks like Hong Kong. It's India, there's only one India. Now, Hong Kong is Hong Kong. You want Hong Kong, go to Hong Kong. You want India, you're Varanasi, go to India.
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Don't go to Varanasi and go, why does it not look like Hong Kong? It ain't Hong Kong. It's Varanasi. So this realm, I think we as souls, we are infinite beings. We're all manifestations of the divine infinite. And we incarnate into this realm of apparent finiteness or limitation. Not to be limited to, in the realm of limitation, to actually, the game is to actually awaken and remember everything.
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our unlimited nature, our true infinite nature inside of the realm of limitation. If everything was unlimited and it was all unlimited and everything was limited, then what's the point of the game? There's no part of the game. We just float in the transcendental realm wherever we were before and just kind of hang out there.
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It's kind of like life is a video game of hide and seek. It is consciousness manifesting in this limited form, forgetting itself as you and I, in the form of you and I, so that we can remember itself. We can remember ourselves and who we truly are in this game. And you could say part of awakening is
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Can you remember who you are inside of this crazy circus show called life that is full of limitation? You got freaking you can't do this and you can't do that and governments and lockdowns and that that that that that bullshit bullshit bullshit. It's like, can you remember who you really are? And can you remember that none of this shit outside of here determines your freedom? Can you remember who you really are? You are free. No, I'm not. You are free. No, I'm not. And so we're confronted with limitation out here.
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not to limit you, but to actually trigger and irritate you into going inside to remember, I have been free all along. I am truly infinite. And my true freedom is not out here, out here, out here, out here with the government, with business. It's
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It's my nature. And I think that's part of the game that we're playing and the game that we're in. And so life is a dance of interdependent polaric opposites. It's the nature of life, plus and minus, yin and yang, up and down, black and white, positive, negative. This is just the nature of this. It's physics. It's the nature of this dimension. And I think there is no perfection, so to speak, in this dimension.
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You know, there's no, no matter how much healing you do, your personality will never be perfect. It's not meant to be perfect. And that's perfect. But the true dimension of perfection is at the depth of our own being. We were all inherently perfect.
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at the depth of our own being, is why the kingdom of heaven is within you. It doesn't say the kingdom of heaven is in a house, in a Ferrari, in a this. It's within us, and that is what we are. We're all already perfect, and I think when we can truly connect to that, that shifts everything, because then we no longer go out into the world
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trying to make it perfect because it's not perfect. It is what it is. And that's perfectly as it is. All of this is kind of a creative artwork manifestation out of the imagination of the divine. And when we can connect to the perfection of our being, then we can move into the world, not from againstness, not from something's wrong, something's wrong, something's
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All of this is a fucking manifestation of God. And if God is truly infinite and unlimited in its nature, if it's truly unlimited, if God is truly unlimited in its nature, then there's no limits to how the infinite can manifest as you, as me, as Biden, as Trump, as Fauci, as...
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as Putin, as Mother Teresa, as Mandela, as is no, no, no. God can only be Ramana Maharishi. Well, that's limited. God can be Putin, Trump, this, that, that, that in this, in this, in this play, this cosmic play that is kind of like consciousness manifesting
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into a multiplicity of form, playing itself as me, you, and all forms. And I think when we die or we wake up while alive, the veil drops, the mask drops. And that's when we realize, oh, this is a game. And there's only one of us really here. And there's only one of us playing all of us, you know, even though it seemed like there was separation and opposition. And so I think you look at children, you know, you have four, I have one, I'm a beginner in
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My son just, everything is a game. Totally. And have you ever thought, why is it that kids love to play so much? It's like, man, my son is teaching me that everything is a play. All the shit I take seriously is just the play. And why is it that kids innately, you don't have to teach a kid, but innately, no matter what the culture, kids love playing hide and seek, you know, the hide and seek.
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So there's an innate knowing of we're playing hide and seek with ourselves. And so I think life is a beautiful game, not because it's perfect, you know, not because you get everything you want, not because it's all roses, but life is a beautiful game because all of it exists. The vanilla, the chocolate, the ice cream, the cookies and cream, everything. And that's, I think, the beauty of life. Life is beautiful. Mm-hmm.
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And I think when we drop this human costume and this body, as challenging as it is, as tough as it is, I think most of us will be like, I want to go back. I want to go back. Fine. Only if I knew the ride was, I want to go back. So why not remember that? Why not sort of remember that while we're in it, even though it's challenging and it's difficult and it is the movie. And nobody said it was going to be easy.
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No one said it was easy, but if it was easy, it would be boring. Imagine you're playing sports, right? And like every freaking play, slam dunk, slam dunk, slam dunk, slam dunk, slam dunk. It's like Roger Federer playing tennis against me.
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He would win every damn time and he'd be bored as hell. It's like, what's the point of that? The best game is when Federer's playing Nadal, you know, or Djokovic. And it's like, bam, bam, bam, three, two, three, three, three, four, five, six. He's going to lose. I'm going to win. I'm going to lose. I'm going to lose. And finally, it's like, oh, what a game. But how boring would it be if like every time?
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you manifest it again every time. You got exactly the thing you thought you wanted. Another, it's like, that's not the proof. For me, the point of the game is we incarnate into this human realm to ultimately remember who we really are. And to me, life is a school, an evolutionary school, and everything and everyone is serving your evolution
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Everything and everyone is your teacher, your parents, your children, your ex, your husband, your wife, everything in your box. Everyone is really part of your classroom. And we often forget because we tend to look at life one dimension. It's like we look at life on the goal line.
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what happened, what didn't happen, and we just judge success by I achieved it, I got married, I stayed married, I made a million, I lost a million, this happened, that happened, and we look at life on the goal line level, but we forget that there's a multidimensional underlying layer of life that is the soul line.
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And the soul line is always going on underneath the goal line. The soul line really consists of the lessons that our soul is seeking to learn whilst going through that experience. And so for me, the real point of this whole thing is evolution. We are here to evolve. That's the bottom line.
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There's really nothing else going on. Vacations, it's all great. The only thing that's really going on is our evolution, the evolution of our consciousness. And I think we evolve when we can learn the lessons for why we are attracting experiences and situations. And through that process, remembering who we truly are as divine.
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The soul doesn't want comfort. It wants evolution, baby. Are you kind of just holding on to the holy shit handles and waiting to see how the world changes and then get yourself a robot? I'm excited because, you know, I come from the standpoint of this intelligence knows what it's doing. And it's been around for billions of years. Life has been around for billions of years.
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Life will be around for millions of years after you and I are gone. And so I'm doing my best to do my best where I am, with who I am, spread as much love on the planet, awaken as much consciousness on the planet, not take it too seriously.
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and just savor every moment, you know, every moment. Like you said, it's, I mean, I also trust the evolution. And it's kind of fun to be like, you know, what are we looking at and choosing to focus on? And what are we giving our energy awareness and attention to? And then where are we consciously shifting and going, this is what we're focusing on. This is what we're building.
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And this is the new era. Are you going to focus on Boundless Bali here moving forward? Because this is a big... No, I would say, yeah, the last 15 years, I did these events to Bali called Boundless Bliss. And it was actually inspired by my India journeys. I did 21 India journeys in about the span of seven years.
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So three year year. And then people started asking me, can you take a group to India? I'm like, the way I do it is going to be pandemonium in India. And so I never felt a calling to that. And a few years later, I ended up going to Bali, had a really profound, beautiful experience in Bali.
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And I got a download to create a journey to Bali that was as transformational in nature, but for a group of 20 people at a time. It became called Boundless Bliss, the Bali Breakthrough Experience. 12 days experiential immersion seminar training without walls.
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And it's intense. It's intense. I wanted to create the most sort of intensive process on the planet. That was my vision when I created the India journey. And then when I created the Bali journey, it kind of downloaded to me. It's like, what would be the most intensive process on the planet?
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Over the last 15 years, I've done 24 of these journeys and I was guided to stop them. In 2025, I didn't do a journey and I thought that was it. And I was guided to do one more year. And so I'm doing one more year of these journeys in 2026. And this will be the final year of me, me facilitating those journeys. And I feel like, yeah, next evolution is coming. So for those that
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want to know more. June the 26th through July the 7th is the next Boundless Bliss Bali journey. And I felt, when I created those journeys, I felt that I was told that there were souls, leaders, visionaries, souls that were destined to impact humanity in some way, destined to transform consciousness in some way, to play a role that through their own transformation, they will go out and transform consciousness. Because before you can lead others, you have to lead yourself.
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And that this journey was really designed to transform people at the deepest level and reset and prepare them for their true vision and mission. And I was told that when these souls heard about the Boundless Bliss Bali journey, they would know, they would feel a destiny, they would feel a calling. And so over the last 15 years and 24 journeys, we've had some amazing people come through this journey, hundreds of people, no more than 20 at a time. And everyone has felt the calling.
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And so I'd invite anyone listening. If you're feeling the calling, this is the time. This is my final year. People can go to
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It's kind of sad that you're not doing it anymore. It's like, but I'm sure you're going to be off to new and exciting new things. As you close one door, you open another. Well, maybe that's why you waited a year because I was supposed to come with all my friends. Let's go. You know, I love intense, obviously. I think, you know, you know, when you trot off to India or do 40 day fast in the desert. I mean, I've like you found this deep.
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calling to evolve and to understand the nature of what it means to be in the human experience as a formless being. And it's been a rocky road. I mean, it has been, I mean, being on the human journey is not for the faint at heart. And, but I do find to what you were saying that the more I come into a childlike state, but I do the shadow work. So it's like this, it's like this balance between, okay, yeah, like I love to play. I'm just a big kid. I'm just a big kid.
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Now, I mean, and I've done my fair share of shadow work. I meditated in Varanasi for three days, three nights just on death alone. What does it mean to actually live only comes through facing death? And I've faced it a lot of times. And that's why I love talking to souls like you, because you ride that edge. And this is how you can help people with transformation so deeply as your commitment runs so deep to them, awakening to who they really are and the power that they are.
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despite everything thrown at us to have us forget how powerful we are. And only because you've walked that journey and you felt that pain and you've had that suffering and you constantly transmute it. Even back in the day when I met you, just constantly alchemizing, constantly transmuting and taking in.
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what we're seeing from the outer world and then going, okay, that's not the reality though. That's actually not real. The only thing that's real is what's going on in our inner verse. And it's such a concept that's difficult to understand in a conversation like this, which is why I would urge anyone who is feeling the call, as Coot said, to actually do the transformational travel. Because I would have to say that the number one thing that has
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taken those concepts, those nebulous concepts and anchored them into my being is only to go and have it at the experiential level. And with AI and online, this events in person are absolutely going to be more important than ever is for humans to come together, to have that contact and to transform over a period of time at the
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deepest level so that there's a point of no return, right? You go away for a seminar weekend, you have a great experience, but then it doesn't last. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
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I think a lot of folks, we're looking for a kind of a surface level quick fix these days. And the truth is, we're looking for someone to do it for us. And the truth is, there's no shortcut. You know, there's guides that can, like I tell people, I can't make you happy, but I can show you the way. And I can guide you, but we have to be willing to do the work. And I think with technology and our culture, so many of us were looking for the shortcut, just swipe to the left, just...
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push a button, just push an app, have, you know, let me do my meditation on car. It's like, it's cool. But like, until you really do the mental, emotional, psychological, internal work to sort of clear the blockages, then often we're not able to hold the true, the vessel isn't able to hold the true magnificence and bigness of the light that we are. And so it takes courage, but I think this is why we're here. This is why we're here.
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Coot, you're awesome. Thank you. Thank you. You too. Thank you so much for being on the Thrivecast. Thanks for having me. We have the Thrive Forum coming up, which is transformational leaders, inspirational leaders, but really it's that evolutionary leader.
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that we're looking for, those that are speaking into the new build and the new era. So we would be really honored if you would come and speak on the panel, more voices out there, you know, like yours, talking about what this new era is going to look like and how we can get some skin in the game and keep doing the work, doing the shadow work, doing the bliss, doing it all. You are truly an evolutionary leader of our time. We'll speak again really soon. Thanks for having me.
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I was given this clear guidance and I decided at a young age to say yes to it. No idea what the hell I was going to do. And I knew this would mean the end of my life as I knew it. I felt like I didn't have a choice. I could resist it and I could go against it, yet I couldn't at the same time. And so I surrendered. Sometimes people think,
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When you find your purpose, everything happens and the unicorns manifest and you can manifest anything and everything appears and everything is at your face. Sometimes when you manifest your purpose, that's when the real stuff falls apart. That's when all life breaks down. It's not always like this rainbows and roses and caramels and unicorns. Sometimes that's when you're forced to go into the deep unknown, the dark night of the soul. You have to enter into a void. The tests that you have to go through when you follow your soul
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are not a sign that you're on the wrong path. That's a sign that you're actually on the right path. I tell people, I can't make you happy, but I can show you the way and I can guide you. But until you clear the blockages, we're not able to hold the true magnificence and bigness of the light that we are. And so for me, the real point of this whole thing is evolution.
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Today on Thrivecast, we're stepping into the real conversation about human evolution with Coot Blackson. Coot is a bestselling author, transformational teacher, and a member of the Transformational Leadership Council, truly one of the voices shaping what I would call the evolution of human consciousness. What I've always respected is that his work isn't just something you listen to, it's something you experience, whether that's through his teachings or the life-changing immersive environments he's created around the world.
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In this conversation, we go into surrender, into truth, into what it actually takes to follow your soul when it doesn't make sense. This one goes deep. So let's dive in. Koot Blackson, welcome to Thrivecast. Thanks for having me. It's a joy.
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So it's been a while. We go way back. 2003. It's pretty wild. It kind of feels like we've blinked, and it also feels like we've lived a lifetime. So for those of you tuning in to the Thrivecast, Coot is a friend of mine that I met back in the transformational initiation, I would say, of understanding masculine and feminine energies and really...
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enlightenment intensives and how to come into pure presence. That was really in the pretty early days for me. For you, Coot, you were already an old man by sort of your journey standards at that point when you've started at eight years old. Yeah.
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So this is something when I dipped back into your world and I saw that you had spoken to 3,000 people at eight years old, I thought, okay, this is a significant start to your journey. You were ordained as a minister under your father's spiritual organization at 14. And then at 17, you decided to leave your spiritual inheritance, sort of this empire, right?
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and to seek your own journey in America. Have I got the beginnings of your journey down right? That's the essence, for sure. That's the essence, yeah. It's a pretty powerful essence to actually be in a position that you're in, to walk away from sort of that level of inheritance. A million followers, 300 churches, have I got that right? 300 churches at the height, a huge church in London, yes. This is incredible. But what a start for you in your journey, I think.
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You know, I, like my first memories as a young boy was seeing, I remember seeing crippled people picking up the gravel that my father walked on, wiping it on their face and stand up, seeing blind people see and deaf people hear and people standing up out of wheelchairs my father would.
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look at a person in a wheelchair and say, why are you in this wheelchair? You're not sick, stand up. But I haven't walked in 10 years. Do you believe in the power of God? Do you believe? Do you believe? Yes. Then if you really believe, then stand up. And I would see this happen day after day, every weekend, every Sunday. And I didn't think anything unusual about it because that's honestly all I knew. So in many ways, it was a real blessing to grow up in an environment where
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There were no real limitations where it was a world of all possibilities, truly. And that was my reality. And I remember when I was 14 years old and my father announced to the congregation, my son is taking over my ministry. He is my successor. And everybody was excited. And I should have been excited. But there was something inside of my soul, beyond my mind and beyond my logic, that
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My heart sank and I knew, I knew inside of my being that this was not my path. The church, even though my father was a very spiritual man, very mystical man, he went to India in the 60s, even though he had these churches, had an enlightenment awakening experience, like truly went up to the Himalayas.
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became awakened, so to speak, came back, kept his churches, shifted his philosophy from old school religion to more about Christ consciousness, that we all have this potentiality of the Christ within us, that Christ wasn't just a human individual, but was actually a consciousness that is accessible to us also. By the time I was born...
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He was a real spiritually awakened man on one level. Yet I knew that the structure of religion, the form of the church, it wasn't my path. And I couldn't explain why. And for four years, I...
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I kind of tried to fit myself into a box of being who I thought the world wanted me to be, my father wanted me to be, everyone wanted me to be, and I went through a deep internal conflict and turmoil. And I struggled, and I tried to make sense of it all, and nothing made sense because I loved my father and I felt this calling to make a difference.
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for humanity and people. And I saw a vision in my life of reaching millions of people, yet it wasn't through the church. I was clearly being guided. That was something else, but I had no idea as a young kid, what is that something else? And when I was 17-ish, 17 and a half, I had a very clear direction from my soul that said, go to America, your destiny lies in America.
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Now, I chose not to go to university, no college education, didn't come from a rich background, no father support, nothing. And my fear was if I dared to follow my truth, if I dared to follow my calling, if I dared to follow what I knew was real inside of my being, I would be alone. I would be outcast. I'd be abandoned. I'd lose my father. It would just be, you know, I'd be thrown out. And sure enough, when I was 17, I felt this fear.
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unshakable calling, go to America. And I think when your soul guides you, it often doesn't make sense to your mind. It often doesn't make sense to your logic or your personality. And I think in fact, it's not meant to make sense to your mind or your ego because the soul guidance is arising from a deeper dimension of your being that is unconditioned.
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And most of us were living and we're creating from ego. And the reality is the ego is conditioned by past experience. So whatever we create is still limited. And so when we're guided, it doesn't make sense. And the challenge is most of us, we talk ourselves out of our true guidance. We talk ourselves out of our true soul direction because the ego part of us tries to understand what the guidance we've been given. We try to make sense of the guidance we've been given, and then we kind of
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overanalyzed and we tried to control and we think if I can control and understand this guidance I've been given, then I won't get hurt again, then I'll be safe. And before you know it, we end up not following our soul. And so I was given this clear guidance and I decided at a young age to say yes to it.
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No idea what the hell I was going to do and how things were going to unfold, but I knew what that meant. And I knew this would mean having a conversation with my father, leaving the church, basically the end of my life as I knew it, which is why it took me, you know, at 14, I'm a kid and my father's iconic.
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It took me four years of grieving the death of myself and my life and the life I thought I was gonna have and having to make peace with the fact that I may never have a relationship with my father ever again. And I finally began to make peace with that. And so when I was given this clip,
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directive, I felt like I didn't have a choice. That was what it felt like. It was like I didn't have a choice and I could resist it and I could go against it, yet I couldn't at the same time. And so I surrendered. You know, this was, you could say, a first moment of profound, deep surrender before I even knew what the word really meant. And I left everything behind, renounced everything, had the conversation with my father. We didn't speak for two years, which was incredibly devastating and painful. But I knew what,
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I had to do and it felt like my soul was guiding me. Long story short, I ended up winning a green card in the green card lottery and that brought me to the US, that brought me to America, 18 years old, two suitcases, $800 in my pocket and no idea, just following my soul. And I think if there's something I have done in my life, for better or for worse, it's I have always...
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I have never compromised the deep knowing inside of my heart, inside of my being. I've never compromised the guidance of my soul. And what I have found is if you follow your soul, you will always end up in the right place at the right time, doing the right thing with the right people, even though the pathway that you take may not make sense. You're going to think that you're on the wrong path. You're going to think that you made a mistake.
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But even the mistake that you think is a mistake is actually a necessary evolutionary learning for your soul so that you can grow and evolve and become the person who's capable of fulfilling the true vision that is guiding you, the true vision that your soul is seeking to manifest. And so I followed my soul and 18 years old, came to America and it was terrifying and I was scared. And, you know, sometimes people...
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When you find your purpose, you know, it's like the self-help field. Sometimes I think those people are disservice because it's like when you find your purpose, everything happens and the unicorns manifest and you can manifest anything and everything appears and everything is at your feet. Sometimes when you manifest your purpose, that's when the real shit, that's when the real stuff happens.
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falls apart. That's when life breaks down. It's not always like this rainbows and roses and caramels and unicorns. Sometimes that's when you're forced to go into the deep unknown, the dark night of the soul, where you question everything about what was, everything about who you were, and you have to enter into a void. And a lot of people end up thinking that
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I'm following my soul and yet things are falling apart. I'm doing something wrong. Maybe I made the wrong decision. And I have found that the tests that you have to go through when you follow your soul are not a sign that you're on the wrong path. To me, that's a sign that you're actually on the right path. Life is giving you these opportunities. It's like life is a gymnasium and it's giving you the opportunities to...
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to grow your consciousness, to grow your soul muscle, to develop the soul force so that you can be the person who is truly capable of fulfilling the vision that you've been given. And so many times the dreams that we have, I've seen, and the vision that we've been given, we're given the vision, but now we're forced to go on the journey, an evolutionary journey of becoming the person. And so the tests and the challenges we face are really blessings in disguise that we have to unwrap. And so that began my journey.
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You know, that began my journey. And so it was difficult. It was challenging. It was hard. Many times, you know, the last thing I'll say is many times we pray like, God, give me guidance. I want to see. I want to see the path. I want clarity. The truth is, if we were given the complete clarity for our life, if we were given the total pathway of how life was going to unfold, looking back now, if I was given that, I would have been given the total pathway.
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I would not have gotten on the plane. I would not have left London. If I knew how difficult it was going to be and some of the challenges I would have faced, I would have just stayed home. And so I think many times the universe, it doesn't give you the entire pathway because you wouldn't take the step. And so I think we're given in life. The universe gives us the exact step or information and guidance that we need so that we can take the next step and take the next step and take the next step. And so it's been a hell of a journey, but I'll pause there.
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Amazing. Your beginning of your whole journey, Kut, is just, I think what it reminds me of with you is that transformation is not intellectual. Yes. The lived experience and that we're being breathed and we're being moved and to tap into that, to plug into that. And in order to do that, we have to be in the present moment. We have to be available, surrendered. Surrender. Surrender.
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I was compelled. One of the favorite things that I stumbled across in my journey and keeping in mind, too, like the whole conversation we're having here at Thrive Evolution, right? Thrive Cast is the broadcasting arm of Thrive Evolution, which is an absolute...
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beacon in my world, in my heart, for what it means to evolve right now. How do we thrive? What is this evolutionary journey that we're on both personally and collectively and civilizationally? We're at this huge turning point. And now what does it look like to not only do the personal transformation, but to collectively transform together and then civilizationally
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begin to work with this mirror manifestation that you refer to. And where I saw that seminal point with you was when you were talking about being on the train in India, and I've been on the train in India. And so you took me right back to that moment. And if you've been on a train in India and I was on that same train, I guarantee you we were on the same train. As you spoke of it, I felt like I cried also for hours to just be that close to human suffering
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And we don't see it where, you know, where I was born. This is not something that you see, but to go and to see that this is how people live day in, day out for miles and miles and miles. Tell me a little bit more and everyone listening about that experience and how transformative that was for you. It really was the birthplace of so many of the things that you offer. Yeah. You know, I found myself in a moment of my life where.
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And I won't go into all of that right now, but I found myself in a moment of my life where everything that I had tried to manifest and make happen didn't seem to work. I felt as though I had reached the end or the edge of my ego's capacity to make shit happen.
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And I just threw my hands up and I said, God, I don't know. I don't know. And so I literally, I just gave up. And I said to myself, I want answers for myself, answers for why I'm here and what I'm here to do and what my purpose is and show me. And that's when I was guided, go to India. And so I traveled far and wide.
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all over India seeking for answers. I basically, you know, I was in my early 20s, shaved my head, broke up with my girlfriend, put everything in storage, took a backpack and started traveling. And I went to the North, I went to the Himalayas, I went to Varanasi, I went to Delhi, I went to Bombay. I was looking for teachers and gurus who could give me answers to what is this? What is this whole thing about? Why are we here? Why am I here? What is the nature of reality? And so, and I met some amazing teachers and gurus and, you know, had great wisdom and philosophies.
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A moment my life really changed when I jumped onto the back of this train in the poorest state in India called Bihar. And because I was late, I jumped on, so I didn't really have a seat and I was sardine canned with just people.
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in the third class section of this train. And it's intense, as you know, it's intense. And the train is rolling and I'm sitting, I'm standing on this train. And I remember seeing this mother, this woman with three children. And it's like, you could tell that she didn't have anything. She had nothing. I mean, she was like physically poor in a certain sense. They say that
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people that live in this state, if you sold everything that they had, maybe their net worth would be $20. I mean, it's crazy. The entire net worth is $20. And I remember seeing she had this, these children that looked malnourished and starving and the light seemed to be going out of her eyes. And one of the kids, the head was literally hanging out of this moving train
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And I thought if this kid died right here, nobody would give a shit. Nobody would know like what is the value of human life? And here we are in Beverly Hills, Ferraris and Bentleys and Rolls Royces. And we're sending people to the moon. And we value a car more than we value human life, a child's life. And I just wept.
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just feeling the suffering of humanity. And I thought I was so disconnected from, I didn't grow up in great wealth, but I didn't grow up like this. And so just the suffering, the raw suffering of humanity hit me and cracked me open in such a deep way.
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And I started weeping. And as I looked into this mother's eyes, and she looked into my eyes, and we looked into each other's eyes, and I started crying, it felt as though what was looking at her was looking at me. And in a certain sense, there was no one looking. There was no separation. There was just one looking.
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as itself, at itself, through itself. And my heart just cracked because I just felt compassion. I just felt like true love, the inherent recognition of the oneness of us all. And my heart just sort of exploded for love. We are one. And how did we forget? And so that really inspired me in many ways to feel into how do I
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remind people of this deeper reality. How do I awaken people to this deeper reality? How do I show people so that they can have an experience within themselves of the truth of who they are in a really experiential way? And that experience cracked me open and grounded me in such a profound way and has inspired, you could say, so much of my work and so much of what I do. And that's why,
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Yeah, I think you're right. My work isn't simply, you know, sort of intellectual teaching, highfalutin information because it's all great. But I really seek to give people an experiential sort of a lived experience in my work of touching into the truth of who they are.
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really access the truth of who I am, then I know if I know who I am, then I know who you are. And that there's really is no separation. It just is. There's apparent separation, but it's just an illusion. And I think so much of the suffering of the world and humanity and wars, what have you, is because we are trapped into this illusory
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This illusion that we are separate and we are not. And the matrix and society and politics and media and advertising and all of these systems and paradigms try to perpetuate this idea that we are separate. Because if we believe that we are separate, separate from each other, separate from source, then we are disconnected from the true sense of what we really are. Our true abundance, our true infinity, our true power, our true enoughness.
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Then I think we can be easily controlled and manipulated and so much of the suffering arises from that. So yeah, that experience changed my life. There's so much I could say. I feel like you and I need to see each other in person and chat to catch up on so many things.
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I'm not going to go into what I experienced in India, but I traveled all over India. I lived there for years and went and lived in an ashram. Did the whole thing. Broke up with the boyfriend, shaved the head. It's like if you really are a deep seeker, it sort of has to be done. So you went from there on to create liberational one-on-one journeys with your clients. You would take them to India.
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This is wild. I can't even imagine. With these people, they give you their passport, they give you their complete trust, and you're going to these places, Varanasi, you're looking at all these people pilgrimaging there to go and die at the Ganges River. I can only imagine the places that you took them.
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Just to give context, I came back from India and I started coaching people one-on-one before coaching was a popular thing. This is 25, 20-some years ago. And I started coaching people one-on-one. And after a few years, it's funny, when I was on the back of the train, I had a vision. And sometimes a vision is a seed that is planted that needs a moment to germinate. And I realized I needed to become a...
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the consciousness that could hold the vision, but the vision I got on the back of the train was, wouldn't it be amazing if leaders and visionaries were on this train? You know, presidents and prime ministers and people and billionaires and people in Oprah, people in a leadership position who could, through their consciousness shifting and transforming, could
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could impact and transform systems, companies, corporations, a dime systems, industries. And I thought, wow, that'd be amazing. And I just kind of forgot about it. And around, so I started coaching people and transforming lives in around 2005, 2006, I felt the sort of click, the download, like it's time. Time for what? It's time for that journey.
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That journey. Oh, yeah, it's time for that journey. And so the journey was called the Liberation Experience. Started out as a 14-day, ended up 12. The 14-day transformational journey where I take you to India. I take away your passport, take away your money. You have a backpack, one pair of clothes. You have no idea where you're going. You sign your will in case you don't come back. And you write letters to everyone in your life in case you die, by the way. And you give me...
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And give me full permission to do whatever is necessary to transform you. And so what does that mean? This means whenever is necessary. And it's not a tool by any means. Yes, I take people to different places that can maybe serve as lubricants or activations for people. But what I do on those journeys is I create a process that is designed to help people
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become conscious of the deepest sort of internal blocks that are keeping them stuck and helping them free themselves ultimately from their deepest patterns and layers of conditioning. And it's a freedom journey. It's a process of freedom. And so I'm 24-7, you know, like you go to a therapist or a seminar, you go for an hour, you go for a weekend, 24-7, you're stuck with me and
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you know, when people sleep and I'm processing you all the time on trains, on planes, walking and, you know, on the Ganges banks in the middle of field with cows. And I'm basically using India as the classroom to facilitate transformation. And what I'm doing on those journeys is really exposing your deepest unresolved patterns that prevent you from being the fullest authentic
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It's a wild, wild. I wrote about it in my first book, You Are the One. But that doesn't even honestly cover five to 10% of what the journey really is, because it was, it's insane. You wouldn't believe the stuff that occurred on the journey. I might a little bit. I might just have a little, having lived there and traveled there and pilgrimage there, you know, we went, we did a lot of, I traveled with someone who had an ashram there.
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And we went into places that we couldn't go and get into unless we were with him. And we experienced things that like you from a young age, if you if you see things, no, believe me, if I told them half the stuff I saw. But and so I don't talk about it because people would be like, you know, and so but once you've seen these things, you realize that reality is not what we think it is or what or what the programming is.
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And when I go back to your early starts or, you know, my early starts, you and I actually have a lot of similarities in our in our start. I had a father who was was very much like your father, not in, you know, he didn't own churches. But, you know, I think they would have been friends. Right.
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Dad passed a couple of years ago, but he was my best friend. And he took me on so many wild adventures and showed me. He lived in India with me for a while. And he was there with me when I birthed my children at home. And I had a really special relationship with my dad. And India is such a unique place on so many levels. But to take people there...
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is one thing to take people who are involved at high level positions. What is the greatest takeaway there for people listening right now? On the surface, it appears that we're different. But the surface, the personality, the bank account, the titles are just labels that we have acquired and collected over time. But those labels are not really who we are.
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And I think at the deepest level, we are all the same. At the deepest level of humanity, at the deepest level of source, we are just pure. We are all the one light. At the deepest level of humanity, I think also what I found is doesn't matter if you're black, white, green, orange, you know, live in a slum in India, live in the billion dollar mansion in India or Beverly Hills, we all have the same insecurities.
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the same fears, the same concerns, the same, we breathe the same, we shit the same, we eat the same, we cry the same. We're all the same. This is just the surface level costume that we're wearing. And so even the CEO who has made $500 million has similar insecurities or fears or...
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I have everything that money can buy, yet I don't feel meaning in my life. I have everything money can buy, but what am I doing with my life? Where am I going with my life? I have everything money can buy, but I still have concerns for my children and I want my children to live a good life and be happy. And so I think at the deepest level, we have the same concerns, the same fears, maybe on a different magnitude in a different way. So that's one thing I would say. I think we are more alike as humanity than we are different.
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The other thing is, in many ways, we think we're free, you know. Oh, I'm free. I'm just free. But the moment I take someone out of their regular environment, the moment I take away your cell phone, the moment I take away your makeup, the moment I take away your shoes, your socks, your car, your CEO title, what have you, and put you in a completely different environment, often that sense of freedom collapses. And so, so much of our sense of,
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Freedom is dependent and conditionally based on external things, on external factors. And for me, real freedom, real true freedom is not conditional. Real true freedom is not based on what you have, what you don't have, your cell phone, your title, bank account. Real true freedom is an inner state of being. It's what we truly are. It's our true essence.
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It's innate. It's our natural state. And I think many, many times we have lost touch with that natural state. And so when I look at a lot of us in the West, when I look at a lot of CEO types, a lot of times the true sense of freedom is so conditional based on title, bank account, role, fame, success, status. But the moment you take all that away, who are you really? Who are you really?
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And so for me, this is the question I ask people, but not through just conversation, but through process and showing people. So in India on these journeys, I take away everything. They have nothing. I take away everything, take away control, take away everything.
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nobody knows who the hell they are. And then we're forced to find out who we really are. And so many of us, we've just created so many labels for ourselves. And we identify ourselves as all of those labels. And the more tightly we hold onto those labels that have often been passed down to us and created and stories that we've made up, the more tightly we hold onto those labels as ourselves,
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the less free we are, the less authentic and expressed we are, because we're locked into living a prison of identity, a prison of those labels. And so the journey in my work is really about helping free people, you know, more than anything. I kind of give this analogy, like if
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If we think we have free will, and many people say, oh, I have free will. But do we really have free will? We think we have free will, but the degree to which we are conditioned is the degree to which we're not free. And most of us, we don't realize until we start questioning and traveling and going to events and traveling.
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asking questions. Most of us don't realize that we're living a pre-programmed script that has been passed down to us for lifetimes from parents, from generations, you know, from our lineage, from our childhood. And so until we start becoming conscious and aware and have the courage to start questioning ourselves, we don't have the free will. We're just repeating the patterns of our own conditioning. If you look at a child, a child is free when they're born and they incarnate into
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There's a light in their eyes. There's a freedom in their essence and their being. They jump on the table and they sing and they dance. They don't give a shit if they can't sing like Celine Dion or dance like Bruno Mars. And they're not like, oh, what do I look like? I've got some satellite on my legs. And how do I look? They're just being fully self-expressed and fully free. They're in touch with the light. Light, life is moving through them. Yet what happened to us? The conditioning process starts. We meet our parents.
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God bless them. You know, our parents do the best that they knew how to do based on their parents and their life and generations. And maybe dad was crazy. Mom was crazy. Maybe there was some dysfunction there. Every one of us in the human incarnation, we have some something to work through, you know, some lessons to work through. And so as children, two things happen. The first thing is we learn.
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often unconsciously, all sorts of strategies to disconnect, not feel, function, and survive. So we start shutting down parts of ourselves and suppressing emotions and the unprocessed layers of emotions start building up. And our true light, our true authentic expression, our true essence, our true magnificence often
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gets a little buried to varying degrees underneath the layers of unprocessed emotion and feeling that we've learned to suppress as a way of survival. And we develop all sorts of survival defense mechanisms to just function and cope, strategies to function and cope. And then we learn a way of being of, you know, who do I need to be
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in order to fit in. Who do I need to be in order to get mom and dad to love me? For me, I thought I needed to be the perfect son, the good boy, the independent one, the one who took care of everyone. And so we develop a role and a mask and a persona. And before you know it, we're age four, age five, age six, shutting down our feelings, suppressing those feelings, and then contorting ourselves into a shape to become who we think we need to be in order to get love, validation, and approval. Now,
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That gets reinforced over a decade or two. And before you know, now we're finding ourselves living inside of this prison of a personality that's been created. And we think that the version of ourselves that we've become is who we are, but it's not. It's just a conditioned pattern that we've adopted to function, survive and get love and approval and validation. And so I think we don't realize that we're not free until life stops working or until we start...
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cycling certain patterns over and over again or attracting certain dynamics and relationships. And so what worked for us as young children, what worked for us at 15, what worked for us at 20, we start realizing, wait a second, it worked to help me function and navigate that time of my life back then. But it's now inhibiting the full explosion of myself, it's inhibiting the next level of my evolution. And so I think life is a process of
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of becoming conscious and aware and having the courage to question oneself and question one's identity. And life is a process of, you could say, healing away the layers so that we can return to who we've always been. We can return to what we always were all along, but just kind of forgot in the process of life. And so that's the essence of what I do. You're a dad now. Yeah, I have a beautiful son. Yeah. He's four? What's that? He's four. Yeah.
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My son is almost three, almost three. And he's, he's my guru. He's my true guru. Right. He's my guru. I like all of these gurus from India. I mean, they're amazing. But the real guru for me is my son. I agree. He's a reflection of so much of who I am and the work I've done, the work I need to do. Because he copies everything I do. You know, I say, oh, shit. He's saying, oh, shit. Oh, man, I need to be better. So...
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It is a profound journey. I was told I couldn't have kids after, you know, I had two near-death experiences, flatlined, crossed over. I spent many years healing, both very unique experiences, both different experiences, one at 19 and one at 26. And so I wasn't expecting to have kids. And that's a whole other story.
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the experience that came for me when I had my first child and to look that child in the eyes and what you see and what looks back at you, like you explained on the train, like that this illusion of separateness just vanishes when you look at your child for the first time, you know, because they're so close from it. They just came fresh, you know, they're still just so in that source essence.
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But you're absolutely right. I mean, I've done a lot of stuff in my life that I think is pretty hard, pretty tough stuff. And parenting is one of the genuine hardest things I've ever done.
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Parenting is true spiritual practice and path. Because if we talk about spirituality being a path of, shall we say, loosening the grip of your ego and surrendering beyond your own self-egoness as a spiritual path, you know, the whole point of yoga and meditation, then I think an ultimate spiritual path is parenting because...
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It is no longer about you. And it really does require you to transcend your ego and move beyond your ego in so many ways. And so it's humbling. It's profound. It's awakening. It's all of it. You know, it's deep. It's a good ass whooping.
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It's so humbling. We're still really days. Just wait, brother. Just wait. It gets spicier. I've got now a couple of teenagers. On that note, there's also a lot of surrendering. Yeah. Because if you don't surrender, you're fucked. You know, like you have to surrender. This is the element that I love in your teachings. It's a deep path to actually get to the point where you can take a deep breath and just unclutched.
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And it takes such deep trust to do that. This is such a beautiful message that you carry through your work. I just want to quote you here. We are in the midst of the greatest spiritual revolution the world has ever seen. And I thought after watching the last thing I watched of yours was your recent YouTube video talking about the darkness on the planet and this evolutionary tension that we're facing. And so I'd like to talk about that and, you know, where humanity's at, at this evolutionary turn. Yeah.
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and how you're putting this into context for people so that they can palette what they're seeing externally. You know, I think I personally am really excited about what is happening on planet Earth, because I feel we're at a point where I see humanity evolving very rapidly and very quickly in a certain way. And when we look at the world, I think it's easy to feel hopeless or go, what's going on? The world's
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is falling apart but i would say the world is falling apart as we have known it because there is something more than before that is seeking to emerge as a planet as a species as a humanity you know and so when we look at the world to me the world
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is simply a reflection, a mirror manifestation of the totality of the consciousness of all humanity combined. The world that we see out here is really a reflection. There really is no world out here. The world out here is a reflection of the total collection of the consciousness of all of our
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consciousness, psyche, projections out here reflected into the world. And the screen that we see of the world out here is really reflecting our most deeply held beliefs, thoughts, feelings, and emotions. So I think if we want to see what we all believe collectively, just look at the world.
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the leaders, the presidents, the prime ministers, the leaders, the wars, it's a reflection. And so I think one thing is to point the finger at the world and go, you know, Trump, Biden, this person, that person. But I think all that does is create more of a sense of separation, more of a sense of division.
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And all that does is kind of perpetuate this current state of the world by blaming or judging or pointing the finger. I think if we really take on, okay, the world that we see is a mirror manifestation of the collective consciousness of the totality of us all combined. If we really want to transform the planet, I think it's not enough to simply go out and protest. It's not enough to simply make new laws. It's not enough to simply go out and fight the current system. If the world is a mirror,
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then I think what we can all do is look at ourselves and ask ourselves, what does the world mirror to me about myself? What does the world show me about myself? What does Trump, Biden, whoever, whatever, Prime Minister, Putin, Iran, what does this reflect to me about myself?
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And I think if we're willing to do that, then we stop the separation of pointing the finger and making that leader, that situation as an other. And then we can integrate that person, that projection back into ourselves and go, wow, how do I lie?
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Where do I live out of integrity? Where do I not tell the truth? Where do I hide some shit? Epstein, Epstein, yeah, where do I keep things in the dark shadow and secret? And I don't want people to sort of know some of the stuff I've done, like Epstein files in your own consciousness, in your own self, in your own psyche, in your own shadow.
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And so when I look at the world right now and all, it looks like the world is going to shit all of the stuff that has been buried deep in the shadow psyche of the consciousness of humanity is the way I see it. It is now coming up to light racism, division, this wars, what have you, whatever it's all of that. Darkness is coming to light to the surface, to,
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for us to see, for us to be aware of, for us to transmute, for us to transform, for us to be able to really, for us to be able to see our own selves mirrored out there so that we can no longer run away from it, no longer deny it, no longer project it. We must own it and heal it within ourselves.
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Where am I divided in my own consciousness, the division of me and the divine, the division of me versus you, my own internal racism against myself or another? We have to own that. And I think where am I at war within myself? Where am I dropping bombs of self-hatred in my own consciousness about myself, about my body, about everything, about myself? And I think if we're willing to look at that.
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and integrate that, then we can no longer project, but own the projection, come back into oneness, shift our psyche, shift our consciousness, shift our belief system, heal ourselves from inside. And I think when we do that, you might not be able to
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influence the president or a government. But I think when we do that, we are shifting our energetic vibration as a result, raising our vibration to a higher state of consciousness. And as a result, we are transmitting a whole new frequency that does affect the energetic space and consciousness of our surroundings and those around us. And so I think we all have the power to change ourselves. And in changing ourselves,
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Because there really is no separation between ourselves and what's out there. Through changing ourselves, we end up changing the world. And if I do it and you do it and we all do it individually, slowly with a bit of time, or maybe not time, but with a moment of time, the projection shifts.
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And then, you know, five years from now, three years from now, 10 years from now, 20 years from now, as we all start waking up more and more and more, the projection shifts and what we start seeing projected out into the world becomes also a reflection of our most integrated inner state of being. And so I think before any true breakthrough, before any true healing, before any real transformation happens, even on a personal level.
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Often we have to face those parts of ourselves that we have denied, we have avoided, we have run away from, the pain, the hurt, the shame, the guilt, whatever that we've suppressed deep into our psyche. We have to bring it to the surface and own it and feel it and release it and let it go.
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and so that it can be transmuted, and so that it can be forgiven. And so that is the personal process of true, you could say, healing. And so when I look at the world, all of that stuff is coming to the surface right now as a process. We are in a process of the purification of the consciousness of humanity as a whole, and as a result, our own consciousness as well. And so in that sense, I feel as though we're being purified. We're going through a cleansing process.
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It's like if you have a swimming pool, right? And on the surface, it looks clean, but you haven't cleaned that pool. And there's a bunch of shit at the bottom of the pool for decades. It looks clean. You can swim in it. You can pretend. Now, everything's fine. But the moment you get down to the bottom of the pool, you're like, oh, shit, what's all this stuff down here? And if you swim in that pool, it might look okay, but you will get sick.
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And I think that's what has happened for a long time. And I think right now, all that stuff that has been buried at the bottom of the pool is now coming up. And it looks a bit messy. It looks a bit dirty. But that is a part of the authentic, true cleansing, not just the superficial cosmetic cleanse.
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And so it's an intense moment, you know, it's a powerful moment. It's an intense moment. It's, I think, more and more, we have to be prepared for more and more and more and more to be exposed, to come up to the surface for us to see. And everything that was buried in secret, everything that has been hidden, everything that has been suppressed and denied must come up and will come up over this next period of time. And that is the...
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the quickened evolution that is happening on planet Earth because we're ready for this moment. And so that's when I'm excited. When I see what is happening, it looks like, oh, shit, the pool is getting dirtier. No, it was always dirty. It was always dirty down there. You just didn't see it. And so just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't contaminating and affecting us as a humanity.
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It's like, Johnny, get out of the pool, you know, but you don't you don't want Johnny playing in the pool. This is this is the thing that's so tricky with this transition is for those of us that have children, for those of us that that know children is probably a better way to put it. Anyone who cares about the next generation, the amount of change is radical.
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Right. So how we meet that change has to be radical. And this is one of the reasons I wanted to have you on is I don't see you as radical in the sense of when we watch you and you come so much from the heart and you speak so much truth. Your radicalness comes across to me when you press people by saying, you know, what are you not being honest about? Yeah. Where are you lying to yourself? Yes.
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And to actually have that accountability on the personal level, I want to start to shift the conversation to what does this mean now for the systems built? For example, for you, you're on the Transformational Leadership Council. I do know that you've been given several prestigious awards, which I think are of mention. And I want to mention those because I want the people listening to understand that you have a humility, which is beautiful, but you have an opportunity here in my mind to.
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If you wanted to really step onto the world stage as an evolutionary leader, that's why you're here on the Thrivecast. That's what we do here is we look at people who we genuinely want other people to know and to see and to feel and to experience and who've worked with people at the personal level, but who also have the ability now to shift into how do we build this new era? And what do these new era builders look like? What are they saying? How are we doing it?
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impulse for the build is so strong and i'm like hunting who out there is ready to build who's getting the visions for the new systems hi everyone excuse me as i drop in here for just a moment at thrivecast we believe in the business of change and in today's world where business has so many different faces we've decided to help enable transformation by promoting new era entrepreneurs thought leaders whose businesses are making a real impact and whose work aligns with the thriveolution principles
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Kut Blaxson is definitely one of those evolutionary leaders. Check out Boundless Bliss Bali Retreat at the link below. It's one of his last. So don't miss out. Decided to create the Boundless Bliss process, an 11 day transformational, experiential, immersion seminar training for 22 leaders and visionaries from around the world. I'll be using the whole of Bali to assist you in transforming, to assist you,
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an opening to more and more of who you really are. A radical adventure of a lifetime without walls. Bali is the oasis. It was literally like I wasn't transforming in a sense through intensity. I was being melted. So what I found different about Bali is that the energy of Bali is so family feminine that it allows the nervous system
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to relax and just melts away those fears, melts away those layers, and opens you to who you truly are, opens you to the bliss of your being. This journey, this program, is not for everyone. It's really for a select group,
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of visionaries and leaders that are radically committed to serving the world. It's for those that are ready to get in touch with and live their life purpose fully in the world. It's for those that are craving and wanting and just inspired by living adventure.
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Imagine living a life beyond your wildest dreams. Imagine living a life of passion, of joy, of adventure, of excitement. Imagine living a life where you're seizing every moment. Imagine living a life where you're touching the mystery and the magic of now. What I'm first and foremost radically committed to is serving each person in the transformational process. It's a great responsibility and I don't take that lightly.
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There is so much available to each and every one of you. I invite you to cross over to the other side. Join me on a journey of boundless bliss.
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You're one of the best in the ring, I think. Thank you. And that's why I know I don't want to put you on the spot, but I do want to hear what you're in your heart, in your soul, in your vision, your feeling for this new era in the midst of what we face with all of it. We haven't even gotten into AI yet.
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and the technology, the synthetic sort of kind of seeming takeover. And yet the juxtaposition for us humanity to sort of stay human, keep rocking out the human vibes, right? I'm excited about AI on one level. You know, there's also some caveat in that. But I am excited about AI if we're able to use it wisely, if we're able to use it with intelligence in that I think
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If we use it with intelligence and not outsource our wisdom to AI in an artificial way, I think that it will free up time to free us to be able to connect more deeply with ourselves, to free up the mundane...
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of tasks in life and job so that we have more spaciousness and time to be able to think rather than being caught up on the hamster wheel of the matrix that doesn't want us to breathe and think and keeps us stuck in a loop, that it can free us up to think and vision and be more creative and truly direct our energy to purpose and service and impact.
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And I think that the new currency in five, 10, I mean, maybe two years, five years, three, 10 years, 20 years in an age of AI where information will be basically meaningless. Because now a high school kid can plug into AI, read AI and sound like a freaking enlightened genius because they're reading the script of what AI is telling them to say.
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But just talking about something doesn't mean embodying it and being it and transmitting it. And so I think we're going to move from an information currency age of valuing information to really actually the real value will be the humanity, the creativity, our intuition. These things that cannot be, I would say, AI, I think will become truly, the human will become truly valuable.
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I feel moving forward, you know, because these are things that cannot be replicated or duplicated through AI. And so in that sense, I think the real courage is how can we be more human? How can we be more authentic? How can we be more real? How can we be more truthful? How can we tap into more of our intuition? And I think there's going to be room for those of us who have the courage to lean into that as...
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true leadership, for true leadership. And I think that as parents, one of the, you know, I think AI will potentially revolutionize the education system because what is education? Now you just plug your homework into an AI, it's like, for me, what was the point of fricking education anyway? So I think AI is gonna make that obsolete, which is gonna force us to, if we have the courage again, to reimagine a new way of truly educating our children. Because I think the current education model
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is broken from the standpoint of we send our kids to a factory to brainwash our children, how to basically not think and to indoctrinate them in a certain program way of thinking to prepare them to basically be controlled and conditioned. And so I think the reimagining of a new education system that, what would it look like? I'm not sure, but that can preserve
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freedom of a child's innate state, creativity, aliveness, and connection. And so in that sense, I think AI is going to destroy the current educational model, but we have to be the ones that can rethink what would that look like? You know, a child spends eight to 10 hours of their day in a factory being programmed. And what does it look like now to raise free kids? I think one of the first places we can start as human beings, and one of the greatest gifts that
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parents can give their children is your own consciousness, your own healing, your own liberation, because that expanded consciousness is what holds the nervous system and holds the energy of a child. You know, that's one thing that that holding space is what holds the
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the nervous system, consciousness of a child, which allows them to grow and blossom into their own innate expression. But also, I think as parents, what we don't realize is we talk about generational wealth, passing on generational wealth. Yeah, but for me, true generational wealth is consciousness because
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The patterns that we don't heal and shift within ourselves, the secrets that have gone unresolved in our generations, energetically, vibrationally get passed on to our children. When I look at my son today, when I looked at him in the first few days, in the first few months, there was an energy, there was a vibration, there was a frequency, or I saw that he was free. The work I had done for the
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my lineage of men and father and patriarch, all of these things that I had healed and shifted and worked through in the last 25 years, my son was energetically free of and that I saw completely shifted his timeline. And so as parents, I feel as though one of the greatest impacts we can have for our children's future is our own healing because then they no longer have to play out the unresolved patterns that have been passed down to us from generations that flow through generations.
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And so anyway, I'm excited about the future. I don't know what the future holds, to be honest, because I think moving so fast, but I'm excited to participate in the co-creation of it. I just got such huge shivers when you were sharing about your son, like huge. My whole body just was like lit right up, like incredible what you're saying. Many of us, we live in...
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a life that is that many of us, we're not really living our own life. We're living the energetic karmic momentum of the unresolved life and patterns passed down through generations. There's three pillars that affect a human's life or success. Number one, destiny or karma.
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We're born into an energetic preset momentum stream of energy based on past life, based on generations, based on unresolved patterns and everything from our lineage. And now we're born into a momentum stream of energy and that affects our life in some way. Right. That's about maybe, let's say, 33 percent.
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The other 33% is our own decision, intention, shall we say, effort and willpower to say, okay, I'm born with these patterns, but maybe through my healing, maybe through my effort, maybe through my internal work, I'm going to clear some things, shift some things. And I don't have to stay stuck in that. I'm born into poverty, but I don't have to stay stuck in that. And so the other 33% is our own, uh,
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intention work, goal power, creativity, our own application of ourselves. So that's 33%. So we do have the power to shift in a sense. The other 33% is environment. The environment, the house, the location, the spaces, relationship environments that we grow up in.
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Because as we expand our consciousness, what a lot of times we don't realize, and maybe this would be something in terms of, okay, what does the future hold? Is many times people expand, but then they go back into an environment that is contracted. And then we don't realize how much our energy system starts conforming to an old environment that starts conditioning us back down to a small frequency. And so the other 33% of life and success is
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And so I think maybe projecting into the future, what would it be like to create communities, cities, trees, towns, you know, that are even architecturally built?
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optimized feng shui'd you know in a certain way to optimize for the energetic vibrational flow and awakening because a lot of the architecture feng shui of how cities are set up as a flow itself in a city is is actually energetically making people crazy and so i think environments structuring environments
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in a way that can hold people, enhance people's chi and energetic expansion and happiness and joy on a structural level, I think will be interesting for the future as a, you know, enlightened city planning, enlightened environmental architecture, because...
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spending time in environments that are conditioning us. You know, you go into a temple in India, like, whoa, I just feel just something opened up. Wow, what happened? The structure is mechanically and architecturally dialed in to expand your energy and consciousness. So, you know, I'm curious in the future, what would it be like to design structures, architecture, cities to keep people awake?
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Mm hmm. This is this is one of our calls with Thriveolution is to call in the architects, the builders, the creators, the visionaries, the changemakers, the network of transformation of the people who are building the new era.
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We don't like so much of what we're experiencing externally at the moment. I think you talk to most people just what you said, you know, the way that our environment has been curated in the majority of places, certainly the Western world or newer places in the Western world. Go to India, you go to Bali where you're doing your boundless bliss retreats. And it's different. That's why we love it.
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It makes sense, right? You go even areas in China you go to, the ancient places, the places that are working off of ancient wisdom and ancient knowledge, the old temples and cathedrals, they're just different. If you look at now, the music, the culture, so much, almost everything, actually, we've got this really ripe opportunity in this inversion where everything is designed in this realm on this planet at the moment.
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to be the opposite of what empowers us. It's like we've chosen the hardest video game possible. And I've heard you speak to this effect somewhat, basically like don't expect to come into this life and expect it to be easy. That's not this game. That's not the game you chose. Yeah, yeah. Right? The way I see is this dimension that we're living in, this 3D realm of relativity,
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is made up of interdependent polaric opposites. That's the nature of life. It's not a utopia. It's not, this realm is not a realm of perfection and unlimitedness, this realm. That's not the point of this realm. It's like the point of going to India is not that it looks like Hong Kong. It's India, there's only one India. Now, Hong Kong is Hong Kong. You want Hong Kong, go to Hong Kong. You want India, you're Varanasi, go to India.
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Don't go to Varanasi and go, why does it not look like Hong Kong? It ain't Hong Kong. It's Varanasi. So this realm, I think we as souls, we are infinite beings. We're all manifestations of the divine infinite. And we incarnate into this realm of apparent finiteness or limitation. Not to be limited to, in the realm of limitation, to actually, the game is to actually awaken and remember everything.
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our unlimited nature, our true infinite nature inside of the realm of limitation. If everything was unlimited and it was all unlimited and everything was limited, then what's the point of the game? There's no part of the game. We just float in the transcendental realm wherever we were before and just kind of hang out there.
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It's kind of like life is a video game of hide and seek. It is consciousness manifesting in this limited form, forgetting itself as you and I, in the form of you and I, so that we can remember itself. We can remember ourselves and who we truly are in this game. And you could say part of awakening is
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Can you remember who you are inside of this crazy circus show called life that is full of limitation? You got freaking you can't do this and you can't do that and governments and lockdowns and that that that that that bullshit bullshit bullshit. It's like, can you remember who you really are? And can you remember that none of this shit outside of here determines your freedom? Can you remember who you really are? You are free. No, I'm not. You are free. No, I'm not. And so we're confronted with limitation out here.
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not to limit you, but to actually trigger and irritate you into going inside to remember, I have been free all along. I am truly infinite. And my true freedom is not out here, out here, out here, out here with the government, with business. It's
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It's my nature. And I think that's part of the game that we're playing and the game that we're in. And so life is a dance of interdependent polaric opposites. It's the nature of life, plus and minus, yin and yang, up and down, black and white, positive, negative. This is just the nature of this. It's physics. It's the nature of this dimension. And I think there is no perfection, so to speak, in this dimension.
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You know, there's no, no matter how much healing you do, your personality will never be perfect. It's not meant to be perfect. And that's perfect. But the true dimension of perfection is at the depth of our own being. We were all inherently perfect.
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at the depth of our own being, is why the kingdom of heaven is within you. It doesn't say the kingdom of heaven is in a house, in a Ferrari, in a this. It's within us, and that is what we are. We're all already perfect, and I think when we can truly connect to that, that shifts everything, because then we no longer go out into the world
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trying to make it perfect because it's not perfect. It is what it is. And that's perfectly as it is. All of this is kind of a creative artwork manifestation out of the imagination of the divine. And when we can connect to the perfection of our being, then we can move into the world, not from againstness, not from something's wrong, something's wrong, something's
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All of this is a fucking manifestation of God. And if God is truly infinite and unlimited in its nature, if it's truly unlimited, if God is truly unlimited in its nature, then there's no limits to how the infinite can manifest as you, as me, as Biden, as Trump, as Fauci, as...
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as Putin, as Mother Teresa, as Mandela, as is no, no, no. God can only be Ramana Maharishi. Well, that's limited. God can be Putin, Trump, this, that, that, that in this, in this, in this play, this cosmic play that is kind of like consciousness manifesting
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into a multiplicity of form, playing itself as me, you, and all forms. And I think when we die or we wake up while alive, the veil drops, the mask drops. And that's when we realize, oh, this is a game. And there's only one of us really here. And there's only one of us playing all of us, you know, even though it seemed like there was separation and opposition. And so I think you look at children, you know, you have four, I have one, I'm a beginner in
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My son just, everything is a game. Totally. And have you ever thought, why is it that kids love to play so much? It's like, man, my son is teaching me that everything is a play. All the shit I take seriously is just the play. And why is it that kids innately, you don't have to teach a kid, but innately, no matter what the culture, kids love playing hide and seek, you know, the hide and seek.
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So there's an innate knowing of we're playing hide and seek with ourselves. And so I think life is a beautiful game, not because it's perfect, you know, not because you get everything you want, not because it's all roses, but life is a beautiful game because all of it exists. The vanilla, the chocolate, the ice cream, the cookies and cream, everything. And that's, I think, the beauty of life. Life is beautiful. Mm-hmm.
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And I think when we drop this human costume and this body, as challenging as it is, as tough as it is, I think most of us will be like, I want to go back. I want to go back. Fine. Only if I knew the ride was, I want to go back. So why not remember that? Why not sort of remember that while we're in it, even though it's challenging and it's difficult and it is the movie. And nobody said it was going to be easy.
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No one said it was easy, but if it was easy, it would be boring. Imagine you're playing sports, right? And like every freaking play, slam dunk, slam dunk, slam dunk, slam dunk, slam dunk. It's like Roger Federer playing tennis against me.
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He would win every damn time and he'd be bored as hell. It's like, what's the point of that? The best game is when Federer's playing Nadal, you know, or Djokovic. And it's like, bam, bam, bam, three, two, three, three, three, four, five, six. He's going to lose. I'm going to win. I'm going to lose. I'm going to lose. And finally, it's like, oh, what a game. But how boring would it be if like every time?
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you manifest it again every time. You got exactly the thing you thought you wanted. Another, it's like, that's not the proof. For me, the point of the game is we incarnate into this human realm to ultimately remember who we really are. And to me, life is a school, an evolutionary school, and everything and everyone is serving your evolution
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Everything and everyone is your teacher, your parents, your children, your ex, your husband, your wife, everything in your box. Everyone is really part of your classroom. And we often forget because we tend to look at life one dimension. It's like we look at life on the goal line.
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what happened, what didn't happen, and we just judge success by I achieved it, I got married, I stayed married, I made a million, I lost a million, this happened, that happened, and we look at life on the goal line level, but we forget that there's a multidimensional underlying layer of life that is the soul line.
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And the soul line is always going on underneath the goal line. The soul line really consists of the lessons that our soul is seeking to learn whilst going through that experience. And so for me, the real point of this whole thing is evolution. We are here to evolve. That's the bottom line.
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There's really nothing else going on. Vacations, it's all great. The only thing that's really going on is our evolution, the evolution of our consciousness. And I think we evolve when we can learn the lessons for why we are attracting experiences and situations. And through that process, remembering who we truly are as divine.
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The soul doesn't want comfort. It wants evolution, baby. Are you kind of just holding on to the holy shit handles and waiting to see how the world changes and then get yourself a robot? I'm excited because, you know, I come from the standpoint of this intelligence knows what it's doing. And it's been around for billions of years. Life has been around for billions of years.
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Life will be around for millions of years after you and I are gone. And so I'm doing my best to do my best where I am, with who I am, spread as much love on the planet, awaken as much consciousness on the planet, not take it too seriously.
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and just savor every moment, you know, every moment. Like you said, it's, I mean, I also trust the evolution. And it's kind of fun to be like, you know, what are we looking at and choosing to focus on? And what are we giving our energy awareness and attention to? And then where are we consciously shifting and going, this is what we're focusing on. This is what we're building.
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And this is the new era. Are you going to focus on Boundless Bali here moving forward? Because this is a big... No, I would say, yeah, the last 15 years, I did these events to Bali called Boundless Bliss. And it was actually inspired by my India journeys. I did 21 India journeys in about the span of seven years.
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So three year year. And then people started asking me, can you take a group to India? I'm like, the way I do it is going to be pandemonium in India. And so I never felt a calling to that. And a few years later, I ended up going to Bali, had a really profound, beautiful experience in Bali.
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And I got a download to create a journey to Bali that was as transformational in nature, but for a group of 20 people at a time. It became called Boundless Bliss, the Bali Breakthrough Experience. 12 days experiential immersion seminar training without walls.
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And it's intense. It's intense. I wanted to create the most sort of intensive process on the planet. That was my vision when I created the India journey. And then when I created the Bali journey, it kind of downloaded to me. It's like, what would be the most intensive process on the planet?
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Over the last 15 years, I've done 24 of these journeys and I was guided to stop them. In 2025, I didn't do a journey and I thought that was it. And I was guided to do one more year. And so I'm doing one more year of these journeys in 2026. And this will be the final year of me, me facilitating those journeys. And I feel like, yeah, next evolution is coming. So for those that
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want to know more. June the 26th through July the 7th is the next Boundless Bliss Bali journey. And I felt, when I created those journeys, I felt that I was told that there were souls, leaders, visionaries, souls that were destined to impact humanity in some way, destined to transform consciousness in some way, to play a role that through their own transformation, they will go out and transform consciousness. Because before you can lead others, you have to lead yourself.
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And that this journey was really designed to transform people at the deepest level and reset and prepare them for their true vision and mission. And I was told that when these souls heard about the Boundless Bliss Bali journey, they would know, they would feel a destiny, they would feel a calling. And so over the last 15 years and 24 journeys, we've had some amazing people come through this journey, hundreds of people, no more than 20 at a time. And everyone has felt the calling.
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And so I'd invite anyone listening. If you're feeling the calling, this is the time. This is my final year. People can go to
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It's kind of sad that you're not doing it anymore. It's like, but I'm sure you're going to be off to new and exciting new things. As you close one door, you open another. Well, maybe that's why you waited a year because I was supposed to come with all my friends. Let's go. You know, I love intense, obviously. I think, you know, you know, when you trot off to India or do 40 day fast in the desert. I mean, I've like you found this deep.
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calling to evolve and to understand the nature of what it means to be in the human experience as a formless being. And it's been a rocky road. I mean, it has been, I mean, being on the human journey is not for the faint at heart. And, but I do find to what you were saying that the more I come into a childlike state, but I do the shadow work. So it's like this, it's like this balance between, okay, yeah, like I love to play. I'm just a big kid. I'm just a big kid.
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Now, I mean, and I've done my fair share of shadow work. I meditated in Varanasi for three days, three nights just on death alone. What does it mean to actually live only comes through facing death? And I've faced it a lot of times. And that's why I love talking to souls like you, because you ride that edge. And this is how you can help people with transformation so deeply as your commitment runs so deep to them, awakening to who they really are and the power that they are.
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despite everything thrown at us to have us forget how powerful we are. And only because you've walked that journey and you felt that pain and you've had that suffering and you constantly transmute it. Even back in the day when I met you, just constantly alchemizing, constantly transmuting and taking in.
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what we're seeing from the outer world and then going, okay, that's not the reality though. That's actually not real. The only thing that's real is what's going on in our inner verse. And it's such a concept that's difficult to understand in a conversation like this, which is why I would urge anyone who is feeling the call, as Coot said, to actually do the transformational travel. Because I would have to say that the number one thing that has
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taken those concepts, those nebulous concepts and anchored them into my being is only to go and have it at the experiential level. And with AI and online, this events in person are absolutely going to be more important than ever is for humans to come together, to have that contact and to transform over a period of time at the
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deepest level so that there's a point of no return, right? You go away for a seminar weekend, you have a great experience, but then it doesn't last. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
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I think a lot of folks, we're looking for a kind of a surface level quick fix these days. And the truth is, we're looking for someone to do it for us. And the truth is, there's no shortcut. You know, there's guides that can, like I tell people, I can't make you happy, but I can show you the way. And I can guide you, but we have to be willing to do the work. And I think with technology and our culture, so many of us were looking for the shortcut, just swipe to the left, just...
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push a button, just push an app, have, you know, let me do my meditation on car. It's like, it's cool. But like, until you really do the mental, emotional, psychological, internal work to sort of clear the blockages, then often we're not able to hold the true, the vessel isn't able to hold the true magnificence and bigness of the light that we are. And so it takes courage, but I think this is why we're here. This is why we're here.
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Coot, you're awesome. Thank you. Thank you. You too. Thank you so much for being on the Thrivecast. Thanks for having me. We have the Thrive Forum coming up, which is transformational leaders, inspirational leaders, but really it's that evolutionary leader.
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that we're looking for, those that are speaking into the new build and the new era. So we would be really honored if you would come and speak on the panel, more voices out there, you know, like yours, talking about what this new era is going to look like and how we can get some skin in the game and keep doing the work, doing the shadow work, doing the bliss, doing it all. You are truly an evolutionary leader of our time. We'll speak again really soon. Thanks for having me.
