TWIG's Future Imperfect & Earth Vs Soup Halloween Spooktacular - Halloween 2026 Week 4 - Phibes!

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And now it's time for another special feature. Tickle. What's
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the point on this? Did you grow up with a mess?
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PlayStation, Star Wars, cartoons, and 80s TV.
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Do you like to think you would win in a
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fight between Batman and the Master Chief?
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Comics, games, movies, music, and TV. They're gonna tell you
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everything you need.
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Superheroes or not they got your back they're gonna save
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the world.
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Of geeks.
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Comics, games, movies, music, and TV.
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They're gonna tell you everything you need.
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Superheroes or not, they got your back. They're gonna save
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the world.
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This way can kick. This way can kick.
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What lovely music. or a murder, or two, or three,
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or nine. Who's this? Ladies and gentlemen, I want you
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to meet a dear friend.
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You take his head, and I'll take his feet.
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Let's unscrew it.
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But you I will kill. But you can't, Doctor. I
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am already dead. Are you ready for Doctor Five?
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Hmm?
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Probably the most terrifying motion picture you'll ever see.
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Hello and welcome out to one of our Halloween specials.
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I'm not sure if this is week three or week four,
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but it's definitely one of our Halloween specials right here
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at This Week in Geek. And it's actually a bit
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of a crossover, a spooktacular crossover of epic proportions, I
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can say. Maybe you could sort of say that. But yes,
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instead of a individual future imperfect sci-fi horror themed episode,
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and I guess... we're still going to have regular programming
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from earth versus soup, but we thought, Hey, let's pick
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something that kind of fits into both of our wheelhouses
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of what we do. It's new enough that it would
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be something that we would likely feature on a future imperfect,
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but it's also borderline what you would be doing. Uh,
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and you've, you've actually experimented in going into some of
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the stuff in the seventies as well.
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Exactly.
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Like, and it's, it's more like, obscure is probably the
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better term like you've you've had you've gone through most
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of the well-known lesser well-known and least well-known uh 50s
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60s kind of sci-fi stuff with earth versus soup that
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you're sort of had to sort of expand into and
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and branch out and do a little bit more and
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again it's stuff that wouldn't necessarily go on one of
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our other programs and i thought what can i find
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that we can do together for this and i thought
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okay uh i know that we've all of us here
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love Vincent price. Let's pick some Vincent price movies. And
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I found the abdominal Dr. Fives and, and Dr. Fives
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rises again. I think it's called. And I said, would
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you guys like to do this? It's been a while
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since we hopped on together. And as you've heard in
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the background here, we've got Aaron and Darlene on and
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I'll be hosting. It's just sort of going to be,
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it's informal. We have some bullet points. I think we're
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going to go through on these, but, This is sort
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of our Halloween hangout. So how are you guys doing?
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Doing okay. I mean, these movies tested us.
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Yeah.
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I was all the way through both of these movies
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with my pinky at my mouth going an overly elaborate
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and exotic death. I have never seen these movies before
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and we taped specific episodes of for each one of
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these movies after watching them for Earth vs. Soup to
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be released at some point.
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Yeah, some place down the line that you might have
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even forgotten that we've recorded this.
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Yeah, exactly. So it's going to feel like a blast
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from the past when they do get released. Because Darlene
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and I have far ahead. Just in case one of
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us just suddenly goes off into the great beyond, here's
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at least a year's worth of stuff.
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And I work on them in batches. Yeah. So, so, uh,
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basically because we release them weekly, but sometimes, you know,
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I'll get sent five or six at a time from
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you guys or more. Uh, what we do is I
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work on them in batches. So, uh, you know, in
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my ready pile that we've got scheduled out, we've got, uh,
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for the next several months ready to go. And then
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I have my, my work in progress pile and it's
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on my end of my computer end. It's starting to
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look like when you go into the old newsroom and
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there's stacks of papers for research everywhere. And I'm looking
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at the pile. I'm going, I got a lot of
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cool stuff. I've got to edit over the next few weeks.
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So there's plenty of stuff there for you guys. And
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that's where you're going to go much more in depth
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because you've got individual episodes for it. So these are
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going to be surface thoughts, but also just what is
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probably the best way to describe it. Cause I can
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explain my background with these. I saw these films. they
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were always in like the bargain bins when I would
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go to like the grocery store and it'd be like,
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you know, $ 5 VHS and there'd be one of these or,
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or both of them together. Uh, it was released by MGM.
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I think at some point on a two in one,
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like midnight movies, double pack matinee, uh, for probably like 10,
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15 bucks. Um, they have had Blu-ray releases. Uh, they've
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been available on different streaming services to stream, uh, remastered
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in quotes because, uh, there's only so much remastering that
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you can do to something from the late sixties, early
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seventies through from like American international pictures. And this is
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like American international pictures, but not the same. Like I've
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seen a lot of American international. This is like specifically
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a UK division of them that put these out. So
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it's like American money producing hammer horror is like, is
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that kind of, Like that's sort of what I thought
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they were trying to go for.
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Yeah, I think the style is supposed to be Hammer,
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but it does not get close.
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No. And I mean, I guess before diving into it completely,
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had you ever heard of these films before, either of you?
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I guarantee you that we have come across them in
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our yeah, our searches and our general like perusing of
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Vincent Price's, you know, walk. Um, but we had never
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watched them just because they seemed like on the surface,
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they're written on like on internet movie database and all
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that dark comedy, comedy. And generally we're not people that
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would go for that with earth versus the rare comedy film.
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With that said, The first movie is not comedic at all,
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arc or not. And the second movie is darn near slapstick.
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In a lot of ways. It's very broad. It's very,
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I don't know, just sort of in your face, right, Darlene?
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I mean, we had never watched these, right? Oh, the
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bottle in the second movie.
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Oh, do remember, do know that each one of these
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is first in the U.S.
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Then the U.K., yeah. And Alex, I just looked, Darlene
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and I have taped almost, almost 400 hours of Earth vs.
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Sue at this point.
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Oh, that's amazing. I was going to say 400 hours
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on these two movies. Oh, good Lord.
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No, it's actually 394 as of this moment.
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Amazing.
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But yeah, no, we had never come across these. And
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the thing is, is that there are people in here
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that we did recognize other movies.
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That's what I was going to ask, because other than
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Peter Cushing in the second film, I didn't really recognize any.
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I was thinking, are these going to be people that
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Darlene and Aaron recognize from like Doctor Who or something?
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Yeah, you'd be surprised how many people do pop up
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in Doctor Who, but not. These aren't movies that have those.
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Like the one person that we recognize that he was
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just in on a stuff was Terry Thomas. He's one
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of the victims. I think he's the victim in the
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first movie that it has all of his blood drained.
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Oh, okay.
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He, he appears in tons and tons and tons of
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British British movies. Another guy is, is peter gilmore that
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we've we've recognized before he he's on in the carry-on films.
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Um i've seen some of those like so i was
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wondering if i was like is my mind playing tricks
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on me but it sounds bad but i'm like a
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lot of the british actors from that time period kind
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of look alike so.
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Yeah, it's, you just generally have to watch as much
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as we have. And then we're like, oh yeah, I
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recognize them. You know, I recognize them. But Terry Thomas
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was in both of these movies playing different parts. The
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guy that plays Detective Trout, Peter Jeffery.
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Oh, the only one. real character in this book. Yeah.
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In these two movies, the two inspectors, they're like actual
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rays of sunshine. Yeah, he's been through a whole bunch
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of stuff that we recognize him from. And then obviously Vincent.
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But like, yeah. Otherwise, there's not a lot of Doctor
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Who connections in here. Okay.
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So I will open up by saying we'll sort of
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go through the plot as much as we can, but
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My first impression when, uh, when starting it was I
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wrote down what, like what is happening, like essentially, and
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then later on a little more what, but I can
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say this, it has for being such a low budget,
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it has an art direction. It definitely has a vision
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for what they want to go for. Uh, we, we,
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we essentially open up with, uh, the doctor doing his,
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his best Phantom of the Opera. playing a piano. He
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has what's obviously people inside of crudely made automaton suits
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as like a wind-up orchestra.
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Like amazing clockwork orchestra. It's Dr.
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Fabes' orchestra.
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Yeah. Yes. But everything looks... I couldn't quite pin down
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what decade is it supposed to be taking place in?
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We had the same problem.
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Everything is Art Deco, so at first I thought, okay,
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it's the 1920s. But the lighting with everything really made
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some of the sets, especially the doctor and his son,
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the two that play chess with each other, their apartment
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looks 70s. But when you're actually looking at all the furniture,
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it's still 1920s. The lighting and the colors are just
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very odd. Do they come across as 70s?
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Some of it has specifically 1950s, 60s neon look.
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And then some of it has 70s aesthetic. I forget
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if it's the first or second film. There's rotary phones,
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but they have people's faces printed and photographs on them.
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And it's very much almost a psychedelic late 60s style
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that they just threw in. But then some aspects feel
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like Victorian era. And then some aspects like the cars
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are a mix between like 1920s cars and then like 1940.
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Like I couldn't figure it out. Like some of the
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stuff that they're wearing, the suits fit more in line
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with like 1890. And then some of the stuff they're
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wearing is like 1930. But it's supposed to be. Yeah.
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And the detectives, they're wearing pretty traditional suits that are
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late Edwardian. I'll say that. The costuming is actually kind
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of a highlight of the film in that it does
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all fit. Even the stuff that looks 70s, you can
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still find examples of that in the 1920s. It's just
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that people, it was a little more rare to see.
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The person that really comes across as uber beginning of
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the 1920s is the assistant to Dr. Pheebs, Volnavia.
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Yes.
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All of her costumes, she's silent all the way through it,
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but all of her costumes are just stunning, right?
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Shocking.
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Like, it almost opens, like, in watching it, I went,
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whomever was in charge of the set design for this
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was a big, big-time fan of Metropolis.
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I have nothing but positive things to say about the
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set design.
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Yeah, and the note I wrote down for this, when
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you're thinking of the Art Deco and stuff, and the
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very Ayn Rand, Fountainhead kind of designs, was I wrote down,
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it's like Bioshock, the game. It's like the 1920s vision
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of the future is what I thought this was going
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to be, and then that's when it makes that jump
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to when it shows like the Victorian apartments and everything.
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And I'm like, when is this supposed to be? But, uh,
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the next note I had is, is basically related to
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the plot. There is a long time that goes by.
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I didn't realize that 32 minutes go by before we
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hear Vincent price talk.
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And I wrote that in my notes.
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I thought this is a choice because you hire Vincent
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price 90% for his voice. And then, you know, 10%
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for his look. Maybe he swapped that ratio around a
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little bit depending on the film, but like that was
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a bold choice to not to have him basically do
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a silent film pantomime the whole time. And of course
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he can pull it off because he was a great actor.
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So he's doing his best, you know, his best mimic
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miming and pantomiming and everything throughout. But you slowly get
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revealed that it's a case of him being a serial
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killer and That's doing it for some mystical, biblical reasons
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that they reveal later on. But I actually laughed out loud.
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I was, oh, this is so British, even though it's
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American International Pictures. Was when they have giant fruit bats
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that they pretend to be vampire bats that end up
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in the first, I think it's the first victim's bed.
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And he's supposed to like be terrified of them. And
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all I could think was, they're so cute. I want
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to pet them. They look, because I've seen them. Those
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are just regular fruit bats. Like they're not, they would,
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they would never bite a human. They're, they're too big.
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The big bats are the ones that aren't scary. And,
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but they have real bats. They're just crawling on them.
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because they know they're not scary looking where they clearly
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move them to different positions on his body. And like
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when they're supposed to be biting him, you can see
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they're just licking their lips because they just ate some fruit.
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And I was already laughing. And then the next scene
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is when somebody comes to discover the body, they just
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have the worst looking dollar store bat on a clothesline
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string that they pull towards to scare him. And then
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his face is just covered with like oatmeal.
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The first, you are correct. That's the first one in
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the movie, but it's the second murder in the plot.
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And the second thing I wanted to say was if
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Vincent Price's voice was not as recognizable as it is,
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it going through that 10 sound would not have been
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Vincent Price.
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You can still tell it's Vincent Price speaking.
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Yeah, but I see.
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I do have to put it as kudos to him
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for putting it through 10.
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And I think the fruit bat thing was my first
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indication that every single murder in this movie is going
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to be incredibly contrived and generally impossible. Again, Dr. Evil
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style kind of like plotting. And it just gets worse
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in the second film.
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He's laying in bed, letting these Honestly, as much as not,
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not everybody's going to like bats, but I saw, but
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I went letting these cute bats just crawl at him.
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And Oh no, he's paralyzed in fear as they eat
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his face. Yeah.
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It's everyone like the lamest one in this film. I'm
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sorry if I'm jumping, but yeah, it's that Vincent price
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is getting revenge on all the doctors that helped try
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to save his wife. And if you're watching the movie,
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all the people that he's killing, are totally innocent, did
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their job, and were good people. He's just like.
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How dare you let her die?
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How dare you let her die? The lamest murder that
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actually made me laugh and probably was the only thing
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that I thought was a joke in the movie was
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the catapult that launches the unicorn head and stabs a
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guy through the wall and they have to rotate him
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to unscrew him from the wall. That was funny.
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See, that's where I think the comedy, when they market
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it as a comedy, I think this is after the fact,
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like years later, people looking at it like us and going, what?
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At the time, I think they were trying to make
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it scary.
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Like the guy that gets killed in his biplane, which
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is a moth, a moth biplane. It's rats. How does
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he not notice that there's like 17 rats in the
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tiny little cockpit that he's in? How does Vincent Price
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sneak these rats in at the moment that he just
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appearing from Europe fly his plane?
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And they're beautifully reddish brown.
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Oh, all the rats are so healthy.
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And they're very clean.
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Yeah, very clean. Like every single murder in that would
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require months of setup and pre-planning. and like more than
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two people to keep everything ready to go at a
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moment's notice and it it takes me out of the
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movie and again it just is worse in the second.
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Film well there is one one murder that i think
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kind of works and it was kind of cool okay
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go ahead for The frog head. Yes, actually, I'll agree
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with that. Because the frog head one, the idea that
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it's a trap that's going to eventually squeeze, suffocate, and
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potentially decapitate. Yeah, that makes sense. He goes to a
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masquerade party, gives a custom mask to one of the
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doctors who thinks it's the most beautiful thing he's ever seen,
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and it's one of the most hideous looking masks I've
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ever seen.
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I loved it.
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I mean, it's cool. He puts it on. And it
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starts to slowly, once he puts it on, it triggers
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a mechanism to slowly squeeze and tighten and squeeze. It's
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like a vice on a geared key lock system.
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That one makes sense because he does clockwork.
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Exactly.
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And that's a clockwork.
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A clockwork mask.
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And And you slowly watch it, and it's not like
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it doesn't immediately, it slowly creeps up. So he starts
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to suffocate, and then it gets worse and worse and worse,
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and that is something where it wouldn't have needed months
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to set up, other than the creation of it. And
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it's something he could have easily just given. It's the
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one death in it where I went, this is one
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that makes sense. Why weren't all of the deaths clockwork-based?
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Yeah. That would have made more sense if he would
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have given the.
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Detective Trout something to look into.
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Yeah.
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To make them more competent than they were. The Longstreet
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one where he removes the blood. Why would you sit
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there and allow him to do that?
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Yeah. Not scream, not struggle. He just sort of, like,
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looks at the bibs and does nothing.
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The cherry Kool-Aid blood.
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Man, the nurse. The fact that, like, All the cops
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are like, yeah, this psycho is going to kill you,
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so we're going to post guards outside your door. But
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Fibs makes like a Brussels sprout syrup and knows exactly
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where she sleeps in her room. And it just so
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happens that the floor isn't concrete in this modern hospital
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for 1920. And it just so happens that she takes
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a sleeping pill that makes her unable to wake up
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While suffocating.
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I take sleeping pills to sleep. Don't do that.
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She took like a general anesthetic and just like, I'm
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going to go to bed. Like the only time I've
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ever had anything like that was when I was having
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like legitimate abdominal surgery. And they're like, countdown from 100, okay, 99, 98,
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and then I woke up four hours later. That's the
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kind of stuff that you take when they put a
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breathing mask on you to make sure that your lungs
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don't stop.
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But even beyond that, it was like, it's in locusts
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that eat her alive.
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All the way to the skeleton.
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And she doesn't wake up.
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I don't get it. Or screams. That, and then, of course,
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there's the acid that just looks a little bit like
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runny honey.
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Yes.
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And, okay, so the son, like, the firstborn of this
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last kill, it was like, what's a key to move
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the gurney so acid doesn't drop on him, so, like,
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this guy can do surgery, and I'll give you the
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same amount of time that you gave my wife, and
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he's like, dude, I tried to save your wife. No,
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you didn't. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah on him. Fibs, whatever.
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The argument is she died within six minutes so you
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didn't give enough time to try to save her.
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It doesn't make sense. The doctor goes, oh my god,
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I have to operate on my son. Fibs already did.
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All you have to do is open the incision, take
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the stuffing out, and get the key. 30 seconds. 30 seconds.
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It's already been done.
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I made that point.
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I'm already getting my voice like raised here because the, the, there,
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all the aspects that have nothing to do with the
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plot for this movie are enjoyable. Everything that deals with
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the plot. So frustrating.
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There's not really any plot points to lead the detectives
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on where to go. They just sort of happenstance of
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upon solutions. And the, the evil, is there, was there
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a reason given for the evil assistant.
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To No, she's just sort of magic.
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I don't even know why she follows him.
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Because he's not in love with her.
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No, and she just sort of like apparates for the
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second film because she got melted by acid.
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Yeah, she got melted to the point where they didn't
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even want to show her face. I will say this,
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the makeup effects was very British and terrible, which is
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generally normal for the time. But when Vincent Price takes
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off quote-unquote, his prosthetics to reveal what he looks like
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when it's his Phantom of the Opera reveal. The makeup
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is 90% good, except why does he have just, like,
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Play-Doh drawn-on teeth?
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Probably because he did that himself. I don't know.
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Like, wouldn't it have been more realistic looking if they had,
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you know, melted it so maybe his, like, lips had
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melted together so there was no mouth and not Play-Doh-looking teeth?
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Maybe he had to wire his jaw shut because of
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all the muscles being... It makes sense to me. That
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bit makes sense.
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But I still think it was a weird choice to
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have him speak through like a vocoder, right? Like through
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his magical neck device, I think is what they referred
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to it as.
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There's like a plug. He just plugs in into his neck.
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Did you notice that when he does eat, he eats
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through the back of his neck?
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Yes. God, that's weird. I wrote a note down here
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and I went, neck eater.
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Yeah, no, this frustrated me.
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It ends, you know, again, we should mention that there
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was a point where the detectives try to figure out
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what's going on and how it's following some sort of
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biblical trails. He's leaving a calling card or like a
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serial killer would. And it's some Hebrew writing is what
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I believe they refer to it.
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As, right? It's a Hebrew letter, and he accidentally leaves
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it one time.
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Yes, one time.
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They figure out the connection right away.
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They go to a rabbi, and he pulls out some
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ancient scroll-looking stuff, and he's like, it's an ancient scroll
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that happens to look like a children's picture book for
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the sake of convenience.
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He's another one that's in there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. The actor, his name is Hugh Griffith.
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He's actually in the second movie.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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But of that, like when they're at the rabbi, I
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actually thought all of that was well done. Like even, yeah,
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the children's picture book.
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I don't know.
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Have you seen Passover things for kids?
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I've seen, to me, what it reminded me of was
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coming from a German family, you know, multi-generation family. We
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had the Struvalpeta, which was a book written by a
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German doctor in the 1800s. Basically the morality book that
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you'd read your kids, and it was all the horrible
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things that'll happen to you if you don't behave and
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listen to your parents. Hilarious if you've never read it.
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I'll send links to you guys because it's worth it.
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There are stories in there about a boy who wouldn't
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eat his soup, and his parents told him, you have
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to eat your soup, and he kept refusing. And the
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pictures show him getting thinner and thinner and thinner Until
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the last picture is him. It's just his gravestone. And
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his parents put the soup bowl on top of it.
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Like it's that kind of stuff. Like eat your soup
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or you'll die.
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I think I remember something like that.
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Similar stuff. It reminds me of that from the pictures.
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00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:30.220
Of the.
490
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.299
The plagues of Egypt.
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00:28:34.700 --> 00:28:34.799
Is.
492
00:28:34.819 --> 00:28:40.519
The whole thing is a drinking game. That you're drinking constantly.
493
00:28:41.140 --> 00:28:41.500
Yeah.
494
00:28:41.859 --> 00:28:45.210
And the kids are seeing this. Duke's song about the
495
00:28:45.250 --> 00:28:46.130
plagues of Egypt.
496
00:28:46.170 --> 00:28:49.410
Because you're supposed to, like, when you're eating your dinner,
497
00:28:49.670 --> 00:28:54.970
between the courses, you're supposed to, like... And my family
498
00:28:55.009 --> 00:29:02.190
never did that. We had vodka. And... But, yeah. And
499
00:29:02.210 --> 00:29:04.599
then there's, like, the song, the children's song, that's like
500
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:06.880
a nursery rhyme about the plagues of Egypt. And it's
501
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:10.980
done in such, like, a cutesy little way. And I
502
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.450
don't know. It's... makes me laugh every time.
503
00:29:14.170 --> 00:29:14.549
I hear it.
504
00:29:14.569 --> 00:29:15.849
Makes me drink every time.
505
00:29:15.890 --> 00:29:19.039
Yeah, I know. It's just so dark.
506
00:29:20.019 --> 00:29:20.380
It is.
507
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:21.940
It's like a German fairy tale.
508
00:29:22.420 --> 00:29:26.400
It's just really dark. The old school, old world songs
509
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.759
and stories that are like that. That's what this reminded
510
00:29:29.779 --> 00:29:31.980
me of. It was like, just the pictures of it.
511
00:29:32.089 --> 00:29:34.390
And we're like, okay, so we're going through this is
512
00:29:34.430 --> 00:29:40.029
like something there wasn't really any the first film doesn't
513
00:29:40.250 --> 00:29:45.410
deal with magic except maybe his assistant somehow just being
514
00:29:45.450 --> 00:29:52.079
there it's more hinted that he's doing it to fulfill
515
00:29:53.190 --> 00:29:56.359
something in his mind there's no explanation as to why
516
00:29:56.410 --> 00:29:58.279
he's killing them this way.
517
00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:02.759
Yeah It's just that he likes it. He likes doing
518
00:30:02.779 --> 00:30:04.019
it because he was a biblical guy.
519
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:07.680
He's doing it for revenge and then at the end
520
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.799
when all is lost for him, he goes and hides
521
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:15.160
in an awesome looking double casket, right? That when it
522
00:30:15.180 --> 00:30:18.980
closes has that cool symbol of the moon and the
523
00:30:19.089 --> 00:30:21.750
earth aligning with the cosmos and all this.
524
00:30:22.230 --> 00:30:26.670
Yeah, because the last plague is darkness. And it's like, yeah, okay,
525
00:30:26.730 --> 00:30:27.190
that's cool.
526
00:30:27.630 --> 00:30:29.750
That's a cool thing. It ends in And, of course,
527
00:30:30.089 --> 00:30:32.450
the police come down. They're like, where did he go?
528
00:30:32.509 --> 00:30:34.630
There's nowhere to go. But there's this big box in
529
00:30:34.650 --> 00:30:37.210
front of me. I guess we'll walk away. And then
530
00:30:37.230 --> 00:30:40.029
they walk away. End of movie. And then it ends
531
00:30:40.049 --> 00:30:44.430
with the whole, he's embalming himself with giant vials of
532
00:30:44.490 --> 00:30:48.400
embalming fluid to keep him in suspended animation. And he's
533
00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:50.680
going to come back. And then the next film starts.
534
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:53.359
And it's been three years. And somehow nobody has noticed
535
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:54.240
his body is in there.
536
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:59.279
Oh, I should point out. that first movie does not
537
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.660
end with him becoming back. Oh, it is. It is
538
00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:05.140
flat out told that he is going to be dead
539
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:08.039
next to his wife. Cause he fills his own veins
540
00:31:08.059 --> 00:31:08.619
with involving.
541
00:31:09.339 --> 00:31:12.079
Right. That's right. That's right. And they retcon it when,
542
00:31:12.140 --> 00:31:15.440
when the film was, I guess, somewhat successful a year later, they,
543
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:18.519
I don't think they filmed them directly back to back
544
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.319
because the way it doesn't feel like it was meant
545
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.769
to have a sequel. Initially. I feel like they, they
546
00:31:24.789 --> 00:31:28.589
filmed it. It was successful, but, for whatever means they
547
00:31:28.609 --> 00:31:32.430
determined it was successful. And then they went, okay, uh,
548
00:31:32.569 --> 00:31:35.089
we have most of the same costumes and set. Let's
549
00:31:35.130 --> 00:31:39.410
film another one. And they just did. Um, because the
550
00:31:39.569 --> 00:31:42.390
second one opens with a full recap. And I mean,
551
00:31:42.970 --> 00:31:45.329
full recap, you don't have to have watched the first movie.
552
00:31:45.970 --> 00:31:51.049
It explains everything that happens, uh, with, with, with like
553
00:31:51.269 --> 00:31:54.589
dramatic narrator voice. And as we mentioned previously, the tone
554
00:31:54.650 --> 00:31:58.390
is very different in the second one. Uh, And it
555
00:31:58.430 --> 00:32:06.380
becomes full metaphysical, Egyptian, raising the dead, mystical, supernatural power movie.
556
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:11.599
And somehow, Volnavia returns. I'm going to use that line
557
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:15.039
from freaking Star Wars. Somehow, Palatine came back.
558
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:16.960
When I saw her name, I was like, is this
559
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.799
like a James Bond villain name? Like a woman henchman name?
560
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:26.380
It immediately is... Well, OK, so to me, when you're
561
00:32:26.579 --> 00:32:30.079
dealing with stuff from the 19th, you have a female name,
562
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.640
anything with a V in it. It is specifically like
563
00:32:33.660 --> 00:32:37.319
a hyper feminine name because it's immediately supposed to make
564
00:32:37.339 --> 00:32:38.480
you go, oh, vagina.
565
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:40.759
That's what I was like. I was like, is this
566
00:32:40.819 --> 00:32:43.519
like a like a pussy galore sort of thing?
567
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:48.740
Yeah, no, it is. It is basically a play on
568
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.400
words to make you go, oh, she's like a seductress.
569
00:32:52.740 --> 00:32:54.069
Is she? No.
570
00:32:56.009 --> 00:32:57.190
She's just like magic.
571
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.799
She's magic and dances and helps murder.
572
00:33:00.900 --> 00:33:06.900
And destroys priceless archaeological artifacts in the second movie. The
573
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:12.920
second movie, my god. I had good things to say
574
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:15.740
about the first one. The second one I still do
575
00:33:15.809 --> 00:33:17.390
have good things to say because I always try to
576
00:33:17.430 --> 00:33:20.589
find something positive. The costumes are great.
577
00:33:20.779 --> 00:33:22.579
The set, like when they go to, when they're in
578
00:33:23.089 --> 00:33:26.950
Egypt and they have the final sets, again, cheap, very,
579
00:33:26.970 --> 00:33:30.130
you know, it's low budget. People worked really hard within
580
00:33:30.170 --> 00:33:32.750
that budget to have pretty cool looking stage sets.
581
00:33:33.609 --> 00:33:33.869
Yes.
582
00:33:34.609 --> 00:33:38.990
But unfortunately, like none of the sets make sense with
583
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:43.980
what the characters have at hand or the time available
584
00:33:44.059 --> 00:33:52.150
to them. Like, Freaking Fibs makes a giant Dr. Evil
585
00:33:52.210 --> 00:33:58.210
contraption and builds like an actual pyramid with like metal
586
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:03.299
snakes with extendable tongues that were going to spear this
587
00:34:03.380 --> 00:34:09.000
woman and he produces like a sluice gate and pumping
588
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:14.989
mechanism bringing water to raise the water at a certain speed.
589
00:34:15.590 --> 00:34:15.909
In a desert.
590
00:34:15.949 --> 00:34:20.860
He should like impale herself. It just goes on and on.
591
00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:25.300
All for the purpose of getting his wife's soul back
592
00:34:25.340 --> 00:34:27.349
in her body to raise her from the dead so
593
00:34:27.409 --> 00:34:30.170
that they could live forever. Yeah.
594
00:34:30.309 --> 00:34:32.510
The whole point of the movie is, is he's taking
595
00:34:33.050 --> 00:34:35.949
his wife's body to Egypt to go on the river
596
00:34:36.030 --> 00:34:37.300
sticks or something like that.
597
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:40.000
So that they could either live together forever or it,
598
00:34:42.500 --> 00:34:44.059
it made it seem like he wanted to bring her
599
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.409
to life here, but it might be that he just
600
00:34:46.429 --> 00:34:49.300
wants to be with her in the afterlife. Yeah.
601
00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:53.750
Together, together forever. Right. And I have to say the
602
00:34:53.889 --> 00:34:59.630
one like absolutely stellar, stellar thing in this movie is
603
00:34:59.670 --> 00:35:04.210
the wife's coffin that brings her to Egypt. And did
604
00:35:04.250 --> 00:35:09.289
you notice what that was? It is a glass coffin
605
00:35:09.929 --> 00:35:15.929
with acid etched, And both ends are the grill and
606
00:35:16.010 --> 00:35:21.179
hood ornament from a Rolls Royce Phantom.
607
00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:21.739
It is.
608
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:27.320
Oh, my God. That is class. I don't know.
609
00:35:27.860 --> 00:35:29.960
You know, it must have been... I feel like a
610
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:33.119
lot of stuff in these films were repurposed from bigger
611
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:38.019
budget films that they happened to be producing. Everything felt
612
00:35:38.059 --> 00:35:41.099
very Roger Corman-esque. So I'm wondering.
613
00:35:42.460 --> 00:35:44.360
What they used that prop from previously.
614
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:54.219
My headcanon of that casket is that somebody ordered it,
615
00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:00.429
wouldn't pay for it, and that's my headcanon.
616
00:36:00.469 --> 00:36:03.449
The producers went off and said, hey, we'll take it
617
00:36:03.570 --> 00:36:04.469
off of you.
618
00:36:04.489 --> 00:36:08.150
So some rich guy was like, hey, I got money,
619
00:36:08.190 --> 00:36:10.889
I'm doing this, and then his company fell through. And
620
00:36:10.929 --> 00:36:13.199
then they're like, I can't pay for it. And then
621
00:36:13.980 --> 00:36:17.880
American International Pictures was like, either we'll rent it for
622
00:36:17.900 --> 00:36:21.039
a couple movies or we'll buy it and use it
623
00:36:21.059 --> 00:36:23.469
in like 10 movies or something.
624
00:36:24.409 --> 00:36:27.530
Yeah. Boy, that looked good.
625
00:36:27.570 --> 00:36:31.710
There was one scene with acting that came off real good,
626
00:36:32.150 --> 00:36:34.429
but did not feel like it belonged in the movie.
627
00:36:34.449 --> 00:36:36.170
Or was it between the detective and.
628
00:36:36.590 --> 00:36:41.070
Well, there's the detective in that, but I'm talking about
629
00:36:41.860 --> 00:36:48.289
And when Peter Cushing comes down as the captain and
630
00:36:48.349 --> 00:36:49.250
does the whole.
631
00:36:49.269 --> 00:36:52.510
Oh, yeah, we've searched and we can search for a
632
00:36:52.530 --> 00:36:55.869
couple more hours. But then douchebags like, no, you know,
633
00:36:55.889 --> 00:36:58.389
we need to make it to Egypt on time. You
634
00:36:58.409 --> 00:37:01.210
need to just get this ship underway. And Cushing's like,
635
00:37:01.230 --> 00:37:03.030
you know, as the captain, he's like, I am the
636
00:37:03.070 --> 00:37:05.489
captain of the ship. I'll make that determination and just
637
00:37:05.510 --> 00:37:08.809
sort of walks out. There's no real resolution to the scene.
638
00:37:09.269 --> 00:37:13.809
But by God, that whole scene does feel completely different.
639
00:37:14.449 --> 00:37:15.329
Because Cushing walks on.
640
00:37:15.750 --> 00:37:21.050
Surprise, surprise. Surprise, surprise that the scene with Peter Cushing
641
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.340
is the best scene in a 1970s movie, right?
642
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:30.340
I mean, yeah. He immediately catches... We make this comment
643
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.840
all the time on Earth vs. Space episodes when Peter
644
00:37:32.860 --> 00:37:35.900
Cushing's in something. It doesn't matter what the movie is.
645
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:41.119
When that guy's on screen, the camera... He holds that camera.
646
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:44.199
He holds the attention of everybody in that scene.
647
00:37:45.139 --> 00:37:48.500
He was definitely practicing for.
648
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:52.360
Grand Moff Tarkin. Look, Darth Vader doesn't screw with Peter Cushing.
649
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:54.690
This douchebag sure as hell isn't going to screw with
650
00:37:54.710 --> 00:37:55.570
Peter Cushing.
651
00:37:56.150 --> 00:37:57.969
I mean, we know there's only one man that can,
652
00:37:58.010 --> 00:37:59.570
and it's Christopher Lee, right?
653
00:38:00.489 --> 00:38:01.349
Yeah, yeah.
654
00:38:01.809 --> 00:38:04.530
And he wasn't in this, unfortunately. Having the three of
655
00:38:04.590 --> 00:38:05.329
them would have been great.
656
00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:09.579
There are movies. There is one movie specifically that we
657
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.280
have for a five or a ten that has Peter Cushing,
658
00:38:12.619 --> 00:38:18.440
Vincent Price, Christopher Lee in it. And they actually all
659
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:23.840
are the leads. They're like co-leads. So, we'll get to it.
660
00:38:24.699 --> 00:38:27.119
I'm sure people can figure out what that is. But
661
00:38:27.179 --> 00:38:31.010
like Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee were actually very good.
662
00:38:31.909 --> 00:38:34.750
Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee were very good friends in life.
663
00:38:35.849 --> 00:38:38.960
And We've talked about this on at least one of
664
00:38:38.980 --> 00:38:41.960
the movies where they both appear in it, on Earth vs.
665
00:38:42.099 --> 00:38:42.280
Sue.
666
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:46.179
I forget which one. It was right after Peter Cushing's
667
00:38:46.260 --> 00:38:51.800
wife's death. And Cushing was going to give up acting.
668
00:38:52.179 --> 00:38:55.539
He couldn't come to the set and not just have
669
00:38:55.579 --> 00:38:59.989
complete breakdowns, missing his wife, because he had a very
670
00:39:00.070 --> 00:39:03.710
loving relationship with his wife. And Christopher Lee had already
671
00:39:03.730 --> 00:39:06.360
been very good friends with him. and said look i'll
672
00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:08.519
sit with you if you need if you have to
673
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.719
go to sleep in your trailer i'll i'll lay in
674
00:39:11.780 --> 00:39:13.909
bed with you and i will be here for you
675
00:39:13.949 --> 00:39:16.730
and it was a very platonic like totally platonic but
676
00:39:16.750 --> 00:39:20.570
yeah basically he was just always there for peter cushing
677
00:39:21.550 --> 00:39:26.690
and peter cushing never forgot that loved christopher lee and
678
00:39:27.070 --> 00:39:29.710
he's like christopher lee is the reason why peter cushing
679
00:39:29.730 --> 00:39:36.920
went on in the 1960s and seventies and kept making movies. Yeah. What,
680
00:39:36.940 --> 00:39:39.019
what a standup guy, Christopher, what a standup guy.
681
00:39:39.539 --> 00:39:43.400
Honestly, you hear that about him even going up into
682
00:39:43.420 --> 00:39:46.659
the two thousands when he was still working fairly frequently
683
00:39:46.699 --> 00:39:50.059
and lots of supporting roles. nobody ever had any bad
684
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.440
words to say about him ever. So yeah, it tells
685
00:39:52.460 --> 00:39:54.420
you something, you know, a 60 year career like that.
686
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:57.159
And I mean, he is the guy that's like, that's
687
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:00.570
not how, how a man who's had his neck broken
688
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:03.809
would fall. Yeah. You know, you have to do it
689
00:40:03.989 --> 00:40:05.710
this way. And it's like, Oh yeah, you were in
690
00:40:05.730 --> 00:40:08.530
SAS during World War II, weren't you?
691
00:40:08.550 --> 00:40:10.429
That was, he was doing what was, uh, it was
692
00:40:10.670 --> 00:40:12.889
one of the Lord of the Rings movies. Yeah. And
693
00:40:13.250 --> 00:40:16.429
he had to stop Peter Jackson to tell him same,
694
00:40:16.489 --> 00:40:20.190
similar thing. He said, uh, that's not how somebody screams
695
00:40:20.550 --> 00:40:23.219
when they're stabbed in the back. And he's like, what
696
00:40:23.260 --> 00:40:26.480
do you mean? He goes, Oh, you don't scream and
697
00:40:26.500 --> 00:40:29.559
you don't put your hands up. Uh, you, you sort
698
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:31.460
of sigh and all the air rushes out of you.
699
00:40:31.780 --> 00:40:34.900
And he's like, why? He goes, because that's how it happens.
700
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:36.469
And that's all he, that's all he wanted to say.
701
00:40:36.489 --> 00:40:38.969
It's like, it's.
702
00:40:38.889 --> 00:40:41.329
Like, why? It's because, because he stabbed people like that.
703
00:40:41.369 --> 00:40:42.510
And that's what they sound like.
704
00:40:43.309 --> 00:40:45.349
He killed, he killed himself some Nazis.
705
00:40:47.150 --> 00:40:50.429
He didn't go into more detail. And Peter Jackson goes, oh, okay,
706
00:40:50.449 --> 00:40:51.070
we'll do it again.
707
00:40:51.090 --> 00:40:55.909
I will defer to Christopher Lee in this regard, yes.
708
00:40:56.070 --> 00:40:58.750
He apparently had a puzzled look on his face, and
709
00:40:58.769 --> 00:41:00.809
then it dawned on him. It's like, oh, he's not
710
00:41:00.829 --> 00:41:03.250
giving me this advice because he thinks it's how it
711
00:41:03.269 --> 00:41:05.429
should be done. He's giving me this advice because that's
712
00:41:05.469 --> 00:41:05.969
what happens.
713
00:41:06.869 --> 00:41:11.050
Yeah. Back to this track.
714
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:14.199
I was going to say, the plot of the second
715
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:20.699
one is... even more inconsequential. It ends with them doing
716
00:41:20.739 --> 00:41:25.380
that whole scene with the elaborate set that has the
717
00:41:26.420 --> 00:41:28.820
knives that come out and the water rays, all this craziness,
718
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:33.219
all just to somehow get into the River Styx or whatever.
719
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:35.460
But there is one part of it that I thought
720
00:41:35.500 --> 00:41:39.780
was one cool effect and it's when the one character
721
00:41:39.820 --> 00:41:42.280
decides he wants to go with him in the River
722
00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:46.150
Styx and we get like almost like a precursor to
723
00:41:46.789 --> 00:41:50.050
Indiana Jones. Uh, uh, you know, it's like the grail
724
00:41:50.090 --> 00:41:53.389
scene where the guy chooses poorly. You see him age
725
00:41:53.469 --> 00:41:58.230
in real time to, till he's dead. Uh, and that,
726
00:41:58.530 --> 00:42:01.050
that fading effect that obviously they did it where in
727
00:42:01.090 --> 00:42:02.949
multiple stages, we had to stay sort of in the
728
00:42:02.989 --> 00:42:06.730
same position. It faded rather well where it wasn't like
729
00:42:06.769 --> 00:42:09.269
very choppy. It looked pretty cool.
730
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:11.090
Yeah, it was okay.
731
00:42:11.489 --> 00:42:14.710
You've got to consider the budget for 1972 in England.
732
00:42:14.750 --> 00:42:20.389
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, for the time, judging it
733
00:42:20.530 --> 00:42:25.510
in context, yes, it was pretty good. And again, costumes
734
00:42:25.550 --> 00:42:26.989
are great. That's great.
735
00:42:28.429 --> 00:42:29.219
Plot sucks.
736
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:31.639
Plot was terrible, yeah.
737
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:33.380
Unbelievably bad.
738
00:42:34.780 --> 00:42:36.860
There was supposed to be a third one, but then
739
00:42:36.900 --> 00:42:37.719
it just didn't get made.
740
00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:44.980
To me, it feels like somebody bet how many elaborate
741
00:42:45.500 --> 00:42:52.480
weird I put into a movie and actually have it
742
00:42:52.539 --> 00:42:56.860
go to production.
743
00:42:56.900 --> 00:43:01.239
Get produced? I mean, every time I didn't, at least
744
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:04.719
in the second movie, I did not care when people
745
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.119
were going to be killed. Because I knew that it
746
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:08.409
would just not make sense.
747
00:43:08.969 --> 00:43:09.610
Yeah, of course.
748
00:43:10.289 --> 00:43:13.170
Nothing about it would make sense. And it would be
749
00:43:13.250 --> 00:43:17.670
entirely inconceivable to whatever is going to happen after.
750
00:43:18.369 --> 00:43:19.469
Neither did their son.
751
00:43:22.670 --> 00:43:23.289
History.
752
00:43:23.389 --> 00:43:26.949
Yeah, the history. The rings of Saturn were.
753
00:43:27.750 --> 00:43:30.210
Oh, yeah, they give the wrong date for that. Like,
754
00:43:30.250 --> 00:43:31.530
look that crap up.
755
00:43:32.139 --> 00:43:35.039
It's 1610 by Galileo.
756
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:41.309
What the hell? Anyway, these movies were a trial.
757
00:43:41.670 --> 00:43:44.389
It was interesting. Okay, here we go. There were supposed
758
00:43:44.429 --> 00:43:51.510
to be two to three more sequels. The only one
759
00:43:51.769 --> 00:43:55.230
that got somewhat started in production before they were doing
760
00:43:55.269 --> 00:43:57.360
pre-production and then canceled it, I guess when this one
761
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:02.340
did very poorly. Because this one, the first one made
762
00:44:02.380 --> 00:44:05.989
about $ 3 million on about a million dollar budget. So
763
00:44:06.179 --> 00:44:12.860
that's successful, especially back then for a genre picture. But Dr.
764
00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:18.039
Five's rides again, they didn't report what it made. The
765
00:44:18.059 --> 00:44:21.789
box office meeting, it must have done real bad. But
766
00:44:21.849 --> 00:44:27.769
the proposed sequel that they were working on was The
767
00:44:27.849 --> 00:44:31.170
Bride of Dr. Oh, God, that would have been so bad.
768
00:44:31.190 --> 00:44:32.610
Yeah.
769
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:36.639
They were trying to make an American International Pictures... They
770
00:44:36.659 --> 00:44:40.400
were trying to make their own Universal Pictures staple of monsters,
771
00:44:40.460 --> 00:44:40.760
I think.
772
00:44:42.570 --> 00:44:46.010
And it could have worked if you actually cared about
773
00:44:47.210 --> 00:44:51.650
setting up his motivations to make him a tragic figure
774
00:44:51.690 --> 00:44:59.780
rather than a psychopath. And actually made the kills.
775
00:45:01.059 --> 00:45:01.559
Plausible.
776
00:45:03.510 --> 00:45:05.690
Even just slightly plausible.
777
00:45:06.210 --> 00:45:08.769
If all on the first one, if all of it
778
00:45:08.809 --> 00:45:10.389
was done clockwork.
779
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:15.559
Yeah, just make every single pill something to deal with clockwork.
780
00:45:15.739 --> 00:45:19.760
Then it's like, okay, it's all rooted in something. Like, hey, look,
781
00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:23.679
instead of having the nurse get eaten alive or something
782
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:27.840
like that after having Brussels sprout juice poured all over her,
783
00:45:28.699 --> 00:45:31.659
why don't you just have a clockwork cage that he
784
00:45:31.699 --> 00:45:38.320
has set up and her in that room, right? And yeah,
785
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:41.460
there are locusts, but they're like covered with like....
786
00:45:47.070 --> 00:45:47.929
Yeah.
787
00:45:48.010 --> 00:45:48.670
Or something like that.
788
00:45:48.750 --> 00:45:51.570
And they could have even been clockwork grasshoppers.
789
00:45:51.750 --> 00:45:57.170
Could have been clockwork grasshoppers. I mean, fine. And they
790
00:45:57.289 --> 00:46:01.429
look fake. They look like they're metal. But like that's
791
00:46:01.510 --> 00:46:04.409
maybe why she picks it up. It was, Oh, look
792
00:46:04.449 --> 00:46:08.260
at this. It's beautiful. And then it like snaps and, and,
793
00:46:08.460 --> 00:46:12.039
and pops her like, that would make sense.
794
00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:15.280
And, and I mean, it's, this is weird because I
795
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:17.239
was looking up the director. It's the same director for
796
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.809
both films. Uh, Robert, uh, fewest, I think is how
797
00:46:20.829 --> 00:46:24.570
you pronounce his name. And, and he had done after this,
798
00:46:24.750 --> 00:46:27.010
you know, low budget stuff, but the film he had
799
00:46:27.030 --> 00:46:32.900
done previous to this was, uh, American International Pictures, same thing,
800
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.920
but it was something that was much more highbrow and
801
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:40.260
much more well-acclaimed and made a lot more money. He
802
00:46:40.300 --> 00:46:42.860
did one of the better, especially for that time period,
803
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.969
adaptations of Wuthering Heights. Probably best known for being one
804
00:46:47.010 --> 00:46:49.449
of the first breakout film roles for Timothy Dalton.
805
00:46:51.369 --> 00:46:55.010
Yeah, and I think, Darlene, you said you probably had seen.
806
00:46:55.909 --> 00:46:57.429
I think a lot of us have seen either bits
807
00:46:57.469 --> 00:46:59.360
and pieces. It's the, it was talked about. It was
808
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:01.280
one of those ones that was on PBS all the time.
809
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.420
They would throw it up there because it is considered
810
00:47:04.460 --> 00:47:07.059
like one of the best adaptations until, you know, modern,
811
00:47:07.099 --> 00:47:07.760
modern times.
812
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:07.980
Right.
813
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:12.320
So it was like, this was not like a nobody director.
814
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:14.260
He had had a big hit and then they gave
815
00:47:14.300 --> 00:47:17.599
him garbage to work with right after he must've been
816
00:47:17.619 --> 00:47:19.420
under contract to them. And they're like, this is what
817
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:20.280
you're doing next, buddy.
818
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.139
Yeah, boy, that's, that's rough. And he mostly did TV
819
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:25.719
after that.
820
00:47:25.989 --> 00:47:28.949
Yes. I mean, it's pretty clear. You start out with
821
00:47:28.969 --> 00:47:33.150
this highbrow Werther Heights where your cast is getting big
822
00:47:33.210 --> 00:47:36.429
nominations at different award shows, and you're being shown at
823
00:47:36.469 --> 00:47:39.789
film festivals, and then your next pictures are a couple
824
00:47:39.829 --> 00:47:44.250
monster movies. It's like, okay, I guess. But I'll bet
825
00:47:44.269 --> 00:47:45.699
you that he probably said, oh, I get to work
826
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:46.949
with Vincent Price. That's always good.
827
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:52.500
The other writer on this was Robert Bleas, and we've
828
00:47:52.579 --> 00:47:55.119
done a couple films. I don't know been released or
829
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:57.739
not for earth versus soup, but he's actually done, um,
830
00:47:59.579 --> 00:48:00.539
with like frogs.
831
00:48:01.780 --> 00:48:02.460
Oh, okay. Yeah.
832
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:05.510
Which I don't know if you've ever seen frogs. That's
833
00:48:05.590 --> 00:48:09.190
actually pretty good. I would say it has a good message.
834
00:48:09.230 --> 00:48:13.110
It has a good, like environmental message. Um, but yeah,
835
00:48:13.130 --> 00:48:15.050
like he did that in a whole bunch of like
836
00:48:15.329 --> 00:48:21.579
project UFO episodes and things like that. But yeah, he
837
00:48:21.619 --> 00:48:24.760
did Frogs right before Dr. Phibbs writes again.
838
00:48:25.099 --> 00:48:28.789
Yeah, and it's like, okay, it's just a standard genre
839
00:48:28.829 --> 00:48:33.570
kind of writer, right? I will note that when he
840
00:48:33.610 --> 00:48:39.469
has his automatons play music, it's in some cases well-known
841
00:48:39.510 --> 00:48:43.099
or somewhat well-known songs. But interesting, did you, going and
842
00:48:43.139 --> 00:48:46.420
watching these, did you ever in your wildest dreams think
843
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.699
that both movies would use Somewhere Over the Rainbow as
844
00:48:49.780 --> 00:48:51.889
the main theme song for both movies?
845
00:48:53.130 --> 00:48:59.309
I did not expect that. It's surreal. It's surreal. Him
846
00:48:59.389 --> 00:49:03.389
going down the river Styx and Somewhere Over the Rainbow
847
00:49:03.449 --> 00:49:03.909
is playing?
848
00:49:04.389 --> 00:49:09.059
It plays over both credits of both films. And at
849
00:49:09.099 --> 00:49:11.989
the end like they they say thank you to whatever
850
00:49:12.550 --> 00:49:16.630
it doesn't appear like it's weird i don't think they
851
00:49:16.710 --> 00:49:18.849
paid for the rights to use them because there's no
852
00:49:18.909 --> 00:49:22.199
soundtrack they just thank them. It's like they wrote them
853
00:49:22.420 --> 00:49:25.369
and then just requested the right to use the music
854
00:49:25.750 --> 00:49:27.349
or the sheet music for it. And then they just
855
00:49:27.389 --> 00:49:32.929
recorded their own versions. Yeah. But again, somewhere over the rainbow,
856
00:49:33.070 --> 00:49:37.130
it's like, that's such a aspirational inspiration. And it's also
857
00:49:37.190 --> 00:49:41.530
like at that time, You're thinking 1972, you're only a
858
00:49:41.590 --> 00:49:47.380
few decades removed from The Wizard of Oz. Even now,
859
00:49:47.449 --> 00:49:49.920
it's so attuned to that film. We all know it
860
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:52.519
from that film. But at that time, that must have
861
00:49:52.539 --> 00:49:54.280
been such a weird... If you went to see it
862
00:49:54.300 --> 00:49:55.460
in theaters, you're like, what?
863
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:58.639
Plus, it's very strange that Wizard of Oz came out
864
00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:00.980
in 1939 and this is supposed to be taking place
865
00:50:01.019 --> 00:50:06.820
in 1921. Yeah, that too. I don't know if we.
866
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:09.920
Mentioned that in our review.
867
00:50:09.940 --> 00:50:12.219
There's lots of weird anachronisms.
868
00:50:14.340 --> 00:50:20.300
Again, what date is it? Is it some weird dream.
869
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.219
From something in 19... We know what date it is.
870
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:23.840
It's the wife's grave.
871
00:50:24.019 --> 00:50:27.389
Yes, we do know from the grave, but is it?
872
00:50:27.889 --> 00:50:32.530
It feels very much like... It's kind of weird for
873
00:50:32.570 --> 00:50:36.170
me to say this, but what was that Neil Gaiman
874
00:50:38.050 --> 00:50:43.090
TV show from the... Yes, where they're like underground, but
875
00:50:43.130 --> 00:50:45.170
it's like a whole different world. That's what this felt
876
00:50:45.190 --> 00:50:45.590
like to me.
877
00:50:46.610 --> 00:50:51.610
Neverwhere is fantastic. That is a great TV mini-series.
878
00:50:53.289 --> 00:50:56.289
I thought it was more like the problem that we
879
00:50:56.369 --> 00:51:00.110
had with that movie where the Marines take over and
880
00:51:00.130 --> 00:51:01.050
the guy says.
881
00:51:01.110 --> 00:51:01.849
Narrow so down.
882
00:51:02.610 --> 00:51:07.050
Where the where people were totally drugged out. The truck
883
00:51:07.349 --> 00:51:07.670
with the.
884
00:51:07.849 --> 00:51:09.530
Oh, are you talking about Maximum Overdrive?
885
00:51:09.550 --> 00:51:10.889
Maximum Overdrive.
886
00:51:10.909 --> 00:51:13.210
Maximum Overdrive is so good, though.
887
00:51:13.250 --> 00:51:17.769
Yes, but everybody was so high in this movie.
888
00:51:19.090 --> 00:51:23.550
The writing room was incredibly high. Have you ever.
889
00:51:23.929 --> 00:51:27.989
Speaking of weird dream state where it's like a city
890
00:51:28.050 --> 00:51:30.570
or world locked in time, have you ever seen Dark City?
891
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:31.860
Yes.
892
00:51:32.460 --> 00:51:36.730
It's like that. Just without the stuff that happens at
893
00:51:36.750 --> 00:51:38.309
the end where it explains it. You know what I mean?
894
00:51:38.590 --> 00:51:42.639
It's almost like that or like the 13th floor where
895
00:51:43.059 --> 00:51:47.099
it's like you're locked in time, but there's things within
896
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:49.829
that world that are out of place for that time period.
897
00:51:51.750 --> 00:51:53.510
Yeah, for sure. I'm with you. Yeah.
898
00:51:54.179 --> 00:51:56.139
But yeah, I don't think there's much more we can
899
00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:00.519
say on these unless you have final thoughts. I'm glad
900
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.880
I picked it because I was probably never going to
901
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:07.079
watch these on my own otherwise. But I would say
902
00:52:07.099 --> 00:52:09.860
for the listeners here that want to watch, if you're curious,
903
00:52:09.900 --> 00:52:12.719
you can definitely search them out. You can find them
904
00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:15.280
on most, I'm sure they're probably on YouTube if you
905
00:52:15.300 --> 00:52:18.340
want to watch them that way even. But the first
906
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:22.699
one is worth watching. The second one is not worth watching.
907
00:52:22.739 --> 00:52:24.239
I don't think at all for any reason.
908
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:29.400
100% agree. Yeah. The first one is okay. Darlene didn't
909
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:32.679
like it. I thought it was okay. Cause there's things
910
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:37.050
that it's, that it has definitely going for it. But
911
00:52:37.090 --> 00:52:42.710
the second movie is pullingly bad. And it would only
912
00:52:42.829 --> 00:52:46.309
be recommended for people that are like Vincent price.
913
00:52:46.730 --> 00:52:46.989
Yeah.
914
00:52:47.010 --> 00:52:49.289
Like if you have to complete your collection, you can
915
00:52:49.369 --> 00:52:51.050
get them in a two pack so you don't have
916
00:52:51.090 --> 00:52:53.530
to get the second one separate. Yeah.
917
00:52:54.130 --> 00:52:56.219
And even if you got like the two pack, you
918
00:52:56.300 --> 00:52:58.500
really don't need to see that second movie. There's just
919
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:03.019
nothing in it that besides frustration and, and, and, and pain.
920
00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:05.920
Yeah, boy.
921
00:53:07.409 --> 00:53:08.289
What else can I say?
922
00:53:08.710 --> 00:53:10.769
I was going to say, I think that's pretty much it.
923
00:53:10.889 --> 00:53:13.820
So we're probably going to close out the show with that.
924
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:19.900
So spooky, spooky, spectacular crossover of future. Perfect. And earth
925
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:23.619
versus soup, just a fun little romp, I guess, fun
926
00:53:23.659 --> 00:53:26.119
and quotes on this for the second film's part, but
927
00:53:26.619 --> 00:53:31.099
we could say that we've seen it. We came, we saw,
928
00:53:31.980 --> 00:53:35.769
we don't necessarily want to watch again. Maybe again, maybe
929
00:53:35.809 --> 00:53:38.389
take some cool still shots from the first film. And
930
00:53:38.409 --> 00:53:41.320
you could use that for like some like background on
931
00:53:41.340 --> 00:53:43.619
your computer or something as, as art. Other than that,
932
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:46.820
it is always good seeing Vincent price doing something different.
933
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:49.059
I would say that he did a really good job
934
00:53:49.219 --> 00:53:51.840
doing the pantomiming stuff where he's having to like emote
935
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.780
with his face more than the actual acting of voice acting.
936
00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:58.389
Cause it's all, you know, canned stuff that he recorded
937
00:53:58.469 --> 00:54:02.139
earlier and he's sort of reacting as it goes. But yeah,
938
00:54:02.460 --> 00:54:05.139
that's going to do it. Obviously, listen to Earth vs.
939
00:54:05.139 --> 00:54:07.110
Soup that we have on the show every single week
940
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:11.050
and Future Imperfects that we have sporadically when we have
941
00:54:11.110 --> 00:54:16.389
time throughout the year. It'll be a fun, spooktacular rest
942
00:54:16.510 --> 00:54:19.750
of the Halloween holiday, whatever you want to call it,
943
00:54:19.769 --> 00:54:24.400
spooky season. And we will be back. Maybe with more
944
00:54:24.420 --> 00:54:27.159
crossovers like this, definitely with more of the individual shows
945
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:29.590
right here on ThisWeekInGeek.net.
946
00:54:30.010 --> 00:54:34.909
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you
947
00:54:34.989 --> 00:54:38.829
even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
948
00:54:40.389 --> 00:54:43.010
Thanks for listening to this episode of This Week in Geek.
949
00:54:43.869 --> 00:54:47.510
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950
00:54:47.550 --> 00:54:50.400
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954
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Tune in next time, and remember, lower your shields and
955
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:01.860
surrender your listenership.
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We would be honored if you would join us.
957
00:55:05.150 --> 00:55:06.530
Thank you for your cooperation.
958
00:55:07.110 --> 00:55:07.510
Good night.
959
00:55:07.710 --> 00:55:27.829
The scorpions embrace. You bloody man! The eagle's caress. The
960
00:55:27.909 --> 00:55:31.869
sausage machine. The one hand persuader.
961
00:55:49.420 --> 00:55:50.349
He has nothing to say, sir.
962
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:52.199
Touché, Dr.
963
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:52.619
Fibes.
964
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:56.329
And as another victim falls, the world awaits your next
965
00:55:56.469 --> 00:56:04.389
blow of vengeance. Only one man, only one menace, only
966
00:56:04.670 --> 00:56:08.179
one diabolical mind could create such chilling terror.
967
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:10.059
That's not a common thief, sir.
968
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:14.460
An inspector who are faced with an impossible task. For
969
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:15.920
there's no force in all the world could win a
970
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:20.530
fight against such a supreme opponent. Run, but you can't
971
00:56:20.570 --> 00:56:31.710
escape him. Hide, but he'll find you. Scream, but no
972
00:56:31.869 --> 00:56:34.309
One will hear you.