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The path of the Warrior blinds down with many roads.
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Some use their fists and others their wits.
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However, Mike the Berdinant and the rest of Twig use
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a power unlike any other I've encountered.
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I want them to teach me this new power in
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my quest at this weekend geek dot Net, Hold.
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A good.
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Hello. It's time for another special feature.
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Hey guys, what's going on you are listening to this
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weekend geek dot Net. I'm your host, Mike the bird Net,
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And well, the year is starting to wrap up here
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at Twig. We've had some really fun interviews over this
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last year. We've talked with people from the tt RPG industry,
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We've talked with people from the.
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Video game industry.
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And while I want to end the year off well,
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I probably got one more of these left in me
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to talk about a different ttr RPG. But this one
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kind of landed at my doorstep at a funny time. So,
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as you guys know, I occasionally chat with people over
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at Free League. We actually talked with one of those
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guys earlier this year, Thomas, and we talked about the
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Alien Evolved RPG, which is now currently shipping and It
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is pretty awesome. You can look forward to seeing more
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about that in our holiday gift guides, which you'll hear
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probably next Friday and the following Friday, on the fifth
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and on the twelfth. But that's not what we're talking about.
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I'm finally not talking about Zeno Morphs.
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I'm actually talking.
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About a new IP to me and a new tt
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RPG which is currently it just ended its Kickstarter It's
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gonna be coming out next July or so, and that's
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the Invincible RPG. That's the the comic book series by
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Robert Kirkman. The Amazon series is currently available, with a
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new season coming out in March. The stories of Mark
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Grayson and his father Nolan, and well, if you've seen
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the memes of Think Mark Think, you know exactly what
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I'm talking about. But it's a ridiculously cool superhero are universe,
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and to me, it's very very new and preparation for
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this interview, I've marathon the first two seasons of the show,
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let's just say I didn't expect to be as hooked
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as I am. I'm literally going to my local bookstore
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after this interview to see if I can find the
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compendiums I'm excited. So, without any further ADEO, I want
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to welcome two people who are developing this for FREELEA
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one is the co founder of Free League and we've
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had him on the show before. But a new guy,
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a new challenger, if you will, is going to be approaching.
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So I'm gonna be talking with Adam Bradford. He is
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one of the people who worked on D and D Beyond.
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He's done stuff for Cortex Prime and Marvel Thomas. The
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guy needs no introduction, Alien Blade Runner, Mutant, Year zero
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and Dragonbane. Gentlemen, welcome to the show.
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Thank you very much for having us.
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Yeah, guys, this is really exciting for me, just the
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fact that you had a really successful kickstarter and again
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off airs chatting with Adam. I never would have expected
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the Invincible IP to work with the year zero system,
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but the more I look at it, like this actually
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kind of works. So I'm gonna so whoever wants to
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pick up the ball and kind of run with it here,
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Why the Invincible IP? Why Free League and why the
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year zero system? Why does this synergize so well?
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You want to pick that up, Adam and I can
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talk to the system then you yeah, yeah, absolutely, When
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we started the whole thing.
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So yeah.
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I so Thomas and I were actually having lunch at
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gen Con, you know these legendary lunches that people have
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at these big conventions, and so I think it would
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have been four years ago, maybe maybe five time flies,
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but we were just you know, talking in general about games.
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I was effusively talking about how much I love Free
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League you know games and all of the products and
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how great the company does. And I just said, hey,
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you know, I love superheroes. Have you ever thought about
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doing a superhero game? And Thomas was basically saying that,
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you know, definitely would love to do one. And he said,
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but we haven't found the right ip yet, and I said, oh,
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I've got, you know, just the right ip that I
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think would work so well for it. And uh and
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you know, basically ask if he had heard of Invincible
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and at the time he had not, and uh, but
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you know, it was my favorite comic series from the
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time it came out twenty years ago at this point,
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just you know, followed it all along its original run
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and I just just really love it. Thought it would
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be a great fit. And so, you know, a few
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years later, we were you know, talking about something else again,
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and then Thomas said, hey, you know, I watched this
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Invincible show. And then pretty much after that he went
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and I think, did what you're you're about to do
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U and grabbed all the compendiums and read the comic
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you know, really quickly. But he was pretty hooked on
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it too. So yeah, so then you know, approached approach
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Skybound after that.
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you did, Mike, just sort of not expecting to be
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as hooked as I as I was. So so I
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saw everything that was then available on the animated series,
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and then I got a hold of all on three
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of these huge compendiums and and just went through them
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all and and uh. And then we started talking to Skybound,
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who who is the publisher of the comic book, And
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we had worked with them a little bit before on
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some Simo Stalin hag projects, the Electric State RPG. They
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earned the publisher of his some of his art books,
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so we sort of knew them a little bit and
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that made things easy, and we approached them and talked
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to him about this and managed to agree on on
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on this and for me, it was such a g fit.
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do a superhero RPG with the Yuzero engine for forever,
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for a very long time. I think one of my
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first RPGs was the original Marvel Superheroes by TSR back
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in the day, so that sort of always stuck with
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me as something that I'd like to do something, you know,
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a superhero game with the years of engine. I had
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some ideas that've been sort of just bancing around with
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my head for years, and this just turned out to
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be a great fit and a great opportunity to do that.
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it's the Invincible game, which as all of those superhero
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tropes and things that you love about superheroes, but it
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also has his own special vibe and sort of turns
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things a little bit in a different direction, with which
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I think makes the game unique. So yeah, it's a
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really cool project.
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So what does the collaboration look like for something like this,
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you do too, So when you're adapting a world like
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like Invincible, because it has shades of Marvel, shades of DC,
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shades of image but like you were mentioned, it does
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have its own identity. I was actually saying this to
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Adam off their Year zero seems like a weirdly good
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fit because while a character like Invincible Mark Grayson could
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take an awful lot of damage and then somehow, oh
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look he's broken, you know, like he reaches those that
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D sixty six thing that you don't want to happen,
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and then other characters like say war Woman or Dark Wing,
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they get hit the wrong way, it's not gonna go
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so well for them. So what did the collaboration look
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like just to adapt this very unique comic universe to
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and forth, I think. I mean, there was a lot
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to do, not only just adapting the rules as such,
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but also just you know, there's so much to describe
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and develop in terms of character powers, the world. And
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I think Adam, did you know most of if not
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all of the you know, heavy lifting that on that end,
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and then it came to mechanics that's sort of what
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I love to do. That there was a lot of
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back and forth on that front, and there it just
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felt that I mean, since the user engine tends to
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work well with sort of harsher environments and a bit
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of a survival type gaming style. I think for the
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Invincible Superhero franchise that works pretty well since it can
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get pretty bloody and it's it's so I think that
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was actually a good match. But even so, the main
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challenge was to adapt our levels. I mean, normally have
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an attribute scale of like one to five in year
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zero for like normal people, and here you have to
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have superheroes with incredible powers, and how do you sort
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of balance that, And that is a challenge for I
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think every superhero game RPG ever made, and that's something
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we really worked a lot with and it's still working
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with and I think we're landing now in a really
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good place. I mean, there was a free quick start
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available that that was I think worked pretty well, but
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we also learned quite a bit since then, so we're
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developing it further. So now I think we're close to
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a place, but I think it really really works. So
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we're excited to share the whole beta PDF for the
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rule book pretty soon in a probably before the holidays
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for the end of the year with backers, So that's
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going to be that's gonna be great to see what
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they think.
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really quickly. You know, I think one of the things,
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because being such a huge superhero fan and playing games
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like this for gosh, approaching you know, forty years or
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however long it's been, I've played, you know, all of
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them that I'm aware of anyway, you know, I've played
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you know, every superhero game out there. And you know,
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I think one of the most challenging things for a
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superhero game to really nail is uh, you know what
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I'll just say, scope of you know, figuring out how
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much detail you want to go into, how much you
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want to you know, handwave, you know, and and and
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where where is that sweet spot in between? And I
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think for both Thomas and I, uh, you know, I
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think that uh, you know, uh, my favorite superhero game, uh,
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you know, until this one that we're trying to make
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now has been you know, that Marvel Superheroes game, because
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and I think to a large degree it really got
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scope right. That probably was the thing that it had,
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you know, going the best for it. And uh and
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so I think that you know, there's uh, there's definitely
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some heavy inspiration there. Uh and and people that are
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familiar with that game, can can kind of see that,
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you know, we're wearing it on the sleeve there. But uh,
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but I do think that, uh, you know, trying to
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get that scope was really important for Invincible, uh, in
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order for that to be able to work for uh,
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you know, Dark Wing getting completely clobbered, uh and Invincible
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taking that that clobbering. But but you know, keeping coming
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back there. And so I'm u as Thomas said, We've
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we've gone through so many iterations. You know, we started
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this uh project, you know, quite a while back, and
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so we've been working on it for some time. And uh,
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and I really do think that we're we're getting into
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a really good place and and you know, towards that
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sweet spot now and uh and that's really exciting to see.
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So now that you've got this book coming out, I said,
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you've got your beta rules coming out and hopefully just
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a couple of weeks with everything coming out next year.
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You guys had a very successful Kickstarter. When the Kickstarter,
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like like I said, like you started getting more stuff unlocked,
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like a bigger Rogues gallery, more guest characters kind of
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showing up. What are some of the things we can
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expect like, who are some of the characters that are
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going to be shown up?
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I said, I'm only in season.
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Two, so be careful spoiled here for me, be gentle,
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but get me excited. To you, I'd love to hear
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what is coming for this because this is a universe
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that seems like it would lend itself well to additional
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Splat books. But also having the Guardians of the Globe
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already set out and stated, but also knowing it's more
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than just doc Seismic, the Mauler Twins and Angstroam stuff
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like that. What are some of the cool things we
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can expect to see in the book itself?
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I don't think your best today.
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Yeah, yeah, I think you know, I'm trying. I'm trying
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to be really careful because of the spoiler warning there. Yeah,
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but but but yeah, it's uh, you know, because I've
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lived and breathed this stuff for so long now that
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it's it's kind of like, you know, time as a construct,
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and I don't know, you know, which character came in
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which place. But uh, but but what I will say
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is we're really excited. One of the things that you know,
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initially we weren't sure whether we were going to be
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able to do it or not. But but we've been
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able to is to include what is called Invincible Universe characters.
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And so if you're in the second season the show,
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several of those characters probably haven't quite made their appearance yet.
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But but ultimately, you know, the the universe of Invincible
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has been expanded. Outside of the core comic series, which
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ran for one hundred and forty four issues, it tells
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a single, you know, comprehensive story. But then as you're
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referencing the Guardians of the Globe, they kind of end
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up doing an expansion similar to Justice League and Limited
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you know where it's like, you know, it goes. So
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the Guardians get a little bit bigger, and they introduced
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some new characters that we have been able to integrate
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into the game. There were some separate comic series of
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even you know, one of them was called tech Jacket,
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and he became a really popular character in the fan base.
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And so, you know, because of unlocking that stretch goal
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in the Kickstar, we've been able to integrate those characters
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into the game. And so I you know, worked on
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statting out the profiles for that, and you know, it's
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just a complete geeking out moment there of being able
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to think about those things because you know, it reminded
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me of creating characters in the old you know, Marvel
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Superheroes game that you know, you would just dream like, Okay,
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how would you make this image character? Because you know,
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there wasn't an Image game back then, you know, And
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so this was like, you know, kind of treading that
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new ground of being able to you know, capture some
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of those great characters. But but yeah, we're really excited
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to be able to integrate those kind of things. And
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I do think, you know, we we've got so many
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plans for things that we would like to do for
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future supplements, so you know, nothing we can talk about yet,
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but we're really excited about everything that we could potentially
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explore with that.
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Like when I was like, again, as I'm starting to
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read and as I'm starting to look at the expanded
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universe of Invincible, one of the characters that really caught
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my attention was battle Beast. Like, I'm a freelancer on
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Star Trek and I know Battlebeast's voice by Michael Dorn
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and I was like, yo, that is so awesome. And
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then in the episode where Battlebee shows up and he
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mops the floor with those guys. I'm like, when I
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started prepping for the interview, if Thiss like I could
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base an entire campaign around this, like I want to
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know more about his.
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And Skybound kind of has has started to do that,
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which which is really fascinating. So there is a Battle
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Beast series that just debuted, you know, probably six months
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ago or something, because because we're in issue six of
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it right now, and and ultimately with that that moment
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in the show that you're referencing where you know, he
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mops the floor and then he literally teleports the way
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and just says like, yeah, this was not I was
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not impressed with this. I'm out of here there and
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uh and once he leaves there, there's literally like this, Uh,
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you know in the comics series, uh you you know,
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don't see Battle Beast for a very long time. Well,
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you know, now they're going back and exploring, Okay, once
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he teleported away there what happened with Battle Beasts. And
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so that's been a really cool process to see new
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Invincible content coming out for the first time in several years.
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And I've absolutely loved, you know, what I've seen in
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these first six issues, and we've already incorporated you know,
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they've expanded some of the Battle Beast's lore in these
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six issues already, and we've already incorporated that into the game.
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So so that that process is really, uh, you know,
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fascinating to see that unfold like that too. So one
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of the questions I'd love to ask you both, because
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obviously this would have to be a collaboration. You've Marvel,
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you've referenced the Marvel Heroic role Player. What the game
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about you phase rip?
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Either way, how did you guys get the scale right
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for because like when you're back in the day, you'd
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have that sliding scale of trying to like who has
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like a green power, yellow power, et cetera. And here,
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obviously Monster Girl is quite different from Rexplode or Atam
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or Atamy versus like kind of robot, Like how is
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developing the stats for these guys? Like how did you
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guys manage to find the right balance with that? And
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who are who was the hardest character to get mechanically
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right without being either ope or like they're gonna walk
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into a fight and get frigging pasted.
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and I think, you know, that's something we discovered pretty
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early on that that is definitely a big challenge and
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but a fun one. And I think what we've been
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doing is that we I think had the idea from
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early on to expand the scale. I mean, like I mentioned,
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your zero typically has back and one to five attribute scales,
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so we wanted to increase that just to signal that
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in this game, you're you go way beyond your normal,
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so the scale is different. But then also you sort
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of introduce the logarithmic aspect to this, that that's some
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where you go up from like a six to a
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seven to an eight. It's not just a you know,
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you're one pretty major level stronger than on the on
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the step below. So one reference that I had when
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I started working with this was actually a very different
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game Twila two thousand that we do, which is a
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fairly semi realistic military type RPG. But I wanted to
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feel like when you face like someone fairly normal, it
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is this like omnimn it should be like facing a
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tank in twel of two thousand, it should feel like that.
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That's sort of what going going into this is what
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we tried to do but then yeah, of course balancing
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a little bit so that even if you're a Rexplode
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or someone perhaps a little bit less powerful, you still
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have to be able to play a meaningful part in
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the game. So that's just balancing all of that, right,
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I think, is what we've been working on, and right
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now I think it's together. I think for the most
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difficult character to adapt, I think one that we struggle
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with quite a bit is Adam Eve right Adam.
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Yeah, so Adam Eve is, you know, and and that
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is among the fan base, that is a you know,
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big topic that constantly comes up because you know, on paper,
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her powers are you know, kind of ridiculous. You know,
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she can do theoretically so many things. And I think
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that that's the important part that we've kept in mind
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is just like Thomas is saying between Rexplode that you know,
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might not again on paper, feel as powerful. I think
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the important thing, and this happens in virtually every Superhero universe,
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is you know, Captain America on paper is nowhere near
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as powerful as the Hulk, but the number of times
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that he has defeated the Hulk in actual direct combat
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is pretty staggering. When you go back through and look
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at this, you know, and so it's like, how does
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that happen? And you know, I love it, and uh,
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you know, some of the older Marvel games they had
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something called Edge that they used and basically Captain America
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had this huge edge score, you know, and so that
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that was the equalizer. And and I think that you know,
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for us, at the end of the day, it comes
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down to their their role in the plot and how
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the story is told is similar that even though you know,
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Rex on paper has a less impressive you know power
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maybe than than Adam Eve, in this case, they ultimately
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kind of you know, they they are teammates. They are
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our colleagues, you know, on you know team teams starting
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out and everything. And so I think, I think that
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that's the the thing is that they can both hold
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their own, uh in the stories that are being told.
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And and really that's what we wanted to make sure
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of was that, you know, yes, if you have dark Wing,
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who you know, at least the original dark Wing had
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no you know, super natural abilities, superpowers, he you know,
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he could still hold his own against some of these
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other characters, and you know, he he had his role
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to play in those fights and so balancing between is
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always a challenge, But I think at the end of
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the day, you want the players that are playing these
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heroes to feel like they are impacting the story in
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the same way that those characters do in the comics.
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So with all that in mind, like we've talked about
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all the major established characters, but what does character creation
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look like for something like this? Because obviously the Invincient
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universe has a wide scope of abilities from like I said,
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Autumn with with like Adam eves like energy and matter manipulation, rexplode,
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kind of being like Gambit by way of Timu, stuff
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like that. Like, I'm like, literally, as you two were talking,
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I'm thinking, what is my character going to look like?
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Here?
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Already have kind of an idea for an an indigenous
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them spiritual character with like ghost powers.
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So what does character creation and generating your.
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Powers look like for something like this to scale with
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everybody else?
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Yeah, I mean, I think one concept that Adam introduced
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early on was we have like hero ranks, so you
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can sort of choose what level you want to have
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your group on, going from Team Upstarts at the lowest
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level to Street Defenders Global Guardians, which is sort of
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the effault level and then Cosmic Champions, which is basically
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those superpowered mega heroes that go across space and fight
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like galactic threats and things. So that was a good,
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great starting point to have, so you can sort of
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where you want to place your campaign or your game on,
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what sort of general power level do you want to
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be at, So that won't that's the starting point. But
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then we also wanted to of course, yeah, this game,
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I think even though it's the Invincible RPG and we
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want to explore that universe, we also wanted to be
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a vehicle and a tool set for creating your own
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superhero stories, you know, in the Invincible universe or in
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any universe if you like. So it's a very comprehensive,
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i think character creation system where you create your civilian
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side of your character, of course the superhero side. And
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there's like i think at this point, sixty nine different
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powers and then many of those common different levels and
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with different like boosts and limits that modify them. So
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there's a wide range of our statutes from and then
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add to that there are talents which are a bit
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less powerful, but that if you like a small edge drawbacks,
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there is that and then there are ways to develop
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your character's personality in a different way drives them. Of course,
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they have key relationships both the other heroes and the team,
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but also to civilians like NPCs that you have to
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manage your sort of civilian life. So there's I think
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a pretty wide range of tools, a pretty wide scope
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for character creation, even things like developing your team base,
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getting at like a team vehicle, things like that. So
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there's a I think you really can go to town with
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creating your character and also your hero team. So I
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think there's a lot there. Do you want to add
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anything to that.
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Yeah, I think that, you know. The The other part
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there that that we thought early on was going to
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be really important is that there are a whole lot
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of options that players can pick up here. And sometimes
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inspiration in the first place is one of the toughest
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challenges for a player to come up with, especially if
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they've you know, just come in from work, they're sitting
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down at the gaming table and they didn't have time
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to give it thought, you know, before in And so
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we also have archetypes and that that's a really important
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part here, and we almost thought about those in video
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game terms as load outs essentially that you know, hey,
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you can have one of the archetypes is called the
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metamorph and so you know, if you play a metamorph,
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if you if you want to play a shape shifter
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like Mystique or you know, possibly you know Martian Man
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from Invincible, you know that kind of thing, then you
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can essentially just go to this archetype, making that character
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creation a whole lot easier because it's going to suggest powers,
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it's going to you know, suggest allow you to roll
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talents that would be appropriate and applicable to that kind
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of you know, kind of iconic archetype in the comic space.
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And so, you know, I think that archetypes are a
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great way, and you know, you can always customize. So
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if you don't quite like what you see there with
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the archetypes, so even for the character concept that you
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brought up, it could potentially be going to an archetype
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like the Shaper and making a few tweaks to really
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make it fit that concept best.
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Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, good point the archetypes there,
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because they really there's like sixteen of them, which is
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quite a lot, but they because there are so many
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options in character creation, it can really help when you
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want to, you know, get to the table quickly and
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have or just have something to starting point. So that's
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that's a good point.
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Yeah, Like, like, the more I hear about this, the
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more excited I'm getting, because like I've played a couple
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of superhero games, like I've played the TSR one. I
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played one game of the Cortex one, which by the way,
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doesn't get nearly enough love. I've played the new Marvel
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six one six game by Matt far Back, and I
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really enjoy that one. But this one, I said, I
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like the idea, Like, here's a bunch of art types.
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But if you don't, here's like sixty something powers. Figure
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it out and not gonna lie while you guys are chatting.
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All right, Cool, I've got this idea worked out. Awesome,
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I can make my character and I just have to
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find an artist to draw this.
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Yeah.
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This is Yeah, It's rare to get this excited for
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an ip that I'm so new to. But then again,
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you guys have really picked like the perfect time. We've
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got the Invincible Versus Fighting game coming out next year
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and I didn't get into the the beta, and damn it,
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but the new season of the show is coming out
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in March. There's new comics coming out, like literally, like
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I said, I'm gonna go get the Companions. But now
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that Adam mentioned Battle Beast, I guess I got six
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issues of comics to go find later on today. So
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this is exciting, guys, Like, I'm really looking forward to
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seeing this, and you guys said there might be more
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cool stuff in the pipeline you can't talk about yet,
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but I will be back. I'm gonna get my own
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version of Cecil and Donald and we are gonna talk.
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But regardless, I'm excited for this guy. So thank you
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for taking time out of your days. I know for Adam,
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it's probably Turkey.
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Day today, so thank you again.
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And not quite but you know, all the preparations go
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on for like a week round here, so.
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Yeah, you guys take that haliway ridiculously seriously. And then
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Thomas is Thursday. But yeah, guys, again, thank you so much.
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We are gonna be talking again, like once I get
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a once I get my hand on hands on the
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rules for this and I can start creating stuff. I
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think we're gonna have another conversation, looking forward to seeing
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this come out next year. When are when are pre
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orders expected to open next year because now that the
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Kickstarter is over, I presume late pledges are probably done too.
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Late pedges are actually still available, so that's there. Yeah,
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you can actually make a late pedge right now, and
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then there's going to be more more of a regular
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pre order closer to the release, which is going to
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be sometime late summer most likely.
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Fantastic guys.
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Well, once again, thank you so much for joining us
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here on this weekend gieg. I wish you guys all
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the success in the world, and I too cannot wait
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to be well. See if I had a title card,
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it would pop up here, but I don't, but you
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know what I'm going for. So guys, that was my
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interview with Adam and Thomas. This game sounds awesome, Like.
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Seriously, the Invincible universe is not.
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Something I expected to like this much, but you guys
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know how I really don't sleep, and the fact that
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I'm able to stay up all night in Marathon Invincible.
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I'm gonna be getting the fighting game. I'm going to
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my local Compic store to pick this up today. This
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is exciting. I haven't been typed about a game like
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this in years, and it's kind of refreshing, not since like, well,
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I guess the Aliens evolved really had me excited. But
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this is cool, Like honestly, I'm looking forward to it.
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Freely has been really good to us, so we'll be
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talking about this for sure next year. And this is
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something I've added into my Holiday Gift Guide as new
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and upcoming, so when that comes out, hopefully things are
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still available.
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Please check this out. There's gonna be lots of information.
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There's a lot some people on YouTube talking about this
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right now, so go give this a check out. Go
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to Freelya's website, just type in Invincible RPG. You'll find
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out more and just listen to people. I said, this
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is gonna be awesome. So anyway, guys, I'm gonna get
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out here. I have a lot of books to read
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between now and Holiday Gift Guide, So I'll be back
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with Alex doing the final live show of the year,
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which will be taking place probably on Monday, if not
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Sunday of this week, and then we are in Holiday
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Gift Guide prep and we also have the Game Awards
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from Los Angeles coming up the week of the tenth,
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so we'll be talking about that and then our last
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big holiday gift guide you can look for on December twelfth.
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Your last minute holiday needs be the video games, movies, television,
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or something weird for the cap. That's what we're gonna
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be talking about. So anyway, guys, I am going to
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get out of here. I've been Mike the Birdman saying,
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be excellent to each other and we will be back
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right here on This Week in Geek dot Net.
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At no point and you're rambling incoherent response, were you
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even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought?
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Thanks for listening to this episode of This Week in Geek.
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Hungry for more, check out our website at this Week
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Some use their fists and others their wits.
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However, Mike the Berdinant and the rest of Twig use
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a power unlike any other I've encountered.
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I want them to teach me this new power in
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my quest at this weekend geek dot Net, Hold.
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A good.
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Hello. It's time for another special feature.
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Hey guys, what's going on you are listening to this
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weekend geek dot Net. I'm your host, Mike the bird Net,
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And well, the year is starting to wrap up here
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at Twig. We've had some really fun interviews over this
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last year. We've talked with people from the tt RPG industry,
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We've talked with people from the.
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Video game industry.
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And while I want to end the year off well,
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I probably got one more of these left in me
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to talk about a different ttr RPG. But this one
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kind of landed at my doorstep at a funny time. So,
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as you guys know, I occasionally chat with people over
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at Free League. We actually talked with one of those
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guys earlier this year, Thomas, and we talked about the
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Alien Evolved RPG, which is now currently shipping and It
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is pretty awesome. You can look forward to seeing more
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about that in our holiday gift guides, which you'll hear
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probably next Friday and the following Friday, on the fifth
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and on the twelfth. But that's not what we're talking about.
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I'm finally not talking about Zeno Morphs.
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I'm actually talking.
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About a new IP to me and a new tt
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RPG which is currently it just ended its Kickstarter It's
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gonna be coming out next July or so, and that's
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the Invincible RPG. That's the the comic book series by
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Robert Kirkman. The Amazon series is currently available, with a
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new season coming out in March. The stories of Mark
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Grayson and his father Nolan, and well, if you've seen
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the memes of Think Mark Think, you know exactly what
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I'm talking about. But it's a ridiculously cool superhero are universe,
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and to me, it's very very new and preparation for
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this interview, I've marathon the first two seasons of the show,
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let's just say I didn't expect to be as hooked
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as I am. I'm literally going to my local bookstore
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after this interview to see if I can find the
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compendiums I'm excited. So, without any further ADEO, I want
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to welcome two people who are developing this for FREELEA
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one is the co founder of Free League and we've
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had him on the show before. But a new guy,
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a new challenger, if you will, is going to be approaching.
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So I'm gonna be talking with Adam Bradford. He is
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one of the people who worked on D and D Beyond.
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He's done stuff for Cortex Prime and Marvel Thomas. The
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guy needs no introduction, Alien Blade Runner, Mutant, Year zero
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and Dragonbane. Gentlemen, welcome to the show.
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Thank you very much for having us.
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Yeah, guys, this is really exciting for me, just the
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fact that you had a really successful kickstarter and again
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off airs chatting with Adam. I never would have expected
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the Invincible IP to work with the year zero system,
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but the more I look at it, like this actually
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kind of works. So I'm gonna so whoever wants to
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pick up the ball and kind of run with it here,
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Why the Invincible IP? Why Free League and why the
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year zero system? Why does this synergize so well?
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You want to pick that up, Adam and I can
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talk to the system then you yeah, yeah, absolutely, When
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we started the whole thing.
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So yeah.
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I so Thomas and I were actually having lunch at
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gen Con, you know these legendary lunches that people have
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at these big conventions, and so I think it would
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have been four years ago, maybe maybe five time flies,
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but we were just you know, talking in general about games.
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I was effusively talking about how much I love Free
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League you know games and all of the products and
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how great the company does. And I just said, hey,
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you know, I love superheroes. Have you ever thought about
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doing a superhero game? And Thomas was basically saying that,
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you know, definitely would love to do one. And he said,
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but we haven't found the right ip yet, and I said, oh,
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I've got, you know, just the right ip that I
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think would work so well for it. And uh and
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you know, basically ask if he had heard of Invincible
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and at the time he had not, and uh, but
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you know, it was my favorite comic series from the
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time it came out twenty years ago at this point,
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just you know, followed it all along its original run
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and I just just really love it. Thought it would
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be a great fit. And so, you know, a few
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years later, we were you know, talking about something else again,
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and then Thomas said, hey, you know, I watched this
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Invincible show. And then pretty much after that he went
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and I think, did what you're you're about to do
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U and grabbed all the compendiums and read the comic
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you know, really quickly. But he was pretty hooked on
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it too. So yeah, so then you know, approached approach
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Skybound after that.
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Yeah, I had sort of the same same reaction that
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you did, Mike, just sort of not expecting to be
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as hooked as I as I was. So so I
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saw everything that was then available on the animated series,
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and then I got a hold of all on three
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of these huge compendiums and and just went through them
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all and and uh. And then we started talking to Skybound,
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who who is the publisher of the comic book, And
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we had worked with them a little bit before on
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some Simo Stalin hag projects, the Electric State RPG. They
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earned the publisher of his some of his art books,
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so we sort of knew them a little bit and
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that made things easy, and we approached them and talked
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to him about this and managed to agree on on
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on this and for me, it was such a g fit.
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I mean, like like Adam mentioned I've been wanting to
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do a superhero RPG with the Yuzero engine for forever,
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for a very long time. I think one of my
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first RPGs was the original Marvel Superheroes by TSR back
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in the day, so that sort of always stuck with
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me as something that I'd like to do something, you know,
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a superhero game with the years of engine. I had
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some ideas that've been sort of just bancing around with
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my head for years, and this just turned out to
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be a great fit and a great opportunity to do that.
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And I think now it's not just any superhero game,
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it's the Invincible game, which as all of those superhero
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tropes and things that you love about superheroes, but it
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also has his own special vibe and sort of turns
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things a little bit in a different direction, with which
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I think makes the game unique. So yeah, it's a
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really cool project.
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So what does the collaboration look like for something like this,
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shades of image but like you were mentioned, it does
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have its own identity. I was actually saying this to
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fit because while a character like Invincible Mark Grayson could
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take an awful lot of damage and then somehow, oh
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look he's broken, you know, like he reaches those that
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they get hit the wrong way, it's not gonna go
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so well for them. So what did the collaboration look
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like just to adapt this very unique comic universe to
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back and forth on that front, and there it just
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felt that I mean, since the user engine tends to
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work well with sort of harsher environments and a bit
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of a survival type gaming style. I think for the
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Invincible Superhero franchise that works pretty well since it can
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get pretty bloody and it's it's so I think that
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challenge was to adapt our levels. I mean, normally have
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an attribute scale of like one to five in year
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zero for like normal people, and here you have to
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have superheroes with incredible powers, and how do you sort
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of balance that, And that is a challenge for I
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we really worked a lot with and it's still working
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good place. I mean, there was a free quick start
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we also learned quite a bit since then, so we're
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developing it further. So now I think we're close to
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a place, but I think it really really works. So
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we're excited to share the whole beta PDF for the
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rule book pretty soon in a probably before the holidays
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for the end of the year with backers, So that's
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however long it's been, I've played, you know, all of
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them that I'm aware of anyway, you know, I've played
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much detail you want to go into, how much you
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want to you know, handwave, you know, and and and
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where where is that sweet spot in between? And I
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think for both Thomas and I, uh, you know, I
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think that uh, you know, uh, my favorite superhero game, uh,
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you know, until this one that we're trying to make
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now has been you know, that Marvel Superheroes game, because
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and I think to a large degree it really got
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scope right. That probably was the thing that it had,
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you know, going the best for it. And uh and
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some heavy inspiration there. Uh and and people that are
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familiar with that game, can can kind of see that,
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you know, we're wearing it on the sleeve there. But uh,
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get that scope was really important for Invincible, uh, in
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order for that to be able to work for uh,
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you know, Dark Wing getting completely clobbered, uh and Invincible
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taking that that clobbering. But but you know, keeping coming
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back there. And so I'm u as Thomas said, We've
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we've gone through so many iterations. You know, we started
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so we've been working on it for some time. And uh,
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a really good place and and you know, towards that
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sweet spot now and uh and that's really exciting to see.
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you've got your beta rules coming out and hopefully just
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a couple of weeks with everything coming out next year.
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like like I said, like you started getting more stuff unlocked,
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like a bigger Rogues gallery, more guest characters kind of
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showing up. What are some of the things we can
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expect like, who are some of the characters that are
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going to be shown up?
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but get me excited. To you, I'd love to hear
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what is coming for this because this is a universe
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that seems like it would lend itself well to additional
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Splat books. But also having the Guardians of the Globe
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already set out and stated, but also knowing it's more
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than just doc Seismic, the Mauler Twins and Angstroam stuff
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like that. What are some of the cool things we
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can expect to see in the book itself?
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to be really careful because of the spoiler warning there. Yeah,
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but but but yeah, it's uh, you know, because I've
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lived and breathed this stuff for so long now that
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it's it's kind of like, you know, time as a construct,
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and I don't know, you know, which character came in
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which place. But uh, but but what I will say
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is we're really excited. One of the things that you know,
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initially we weren't sure whether we were going to be
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able to do it or not. But but we've been
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able to is to include what is called Invincible Universe characters.
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several of those characters probably haven't quite made their appearance yet.
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has been expanded. Outside of the core comic series, which
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ran for one hundred and forty four issues, it tells
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a single, you know, comprehensive story. But then as you're
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referencing the Guardians of the Globe, they kind of end
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up doing an expansion similar to Justice League and Limited
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you know where it's like, you know, it goes. So
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the Guardians get a little bit bigger, and they introduced
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some new characters that we have been able to integrate
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into the game. There were some separate comic series of
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even you know, one of them was called tech Jacket,
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and he became a really popular character in the fan base.
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in the Kickstar, we've been able to integrate those characters
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into the game. And so I you know, worked on
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statting out the profiles for that, and you know, it's
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just a complete geeking out moment there of being able
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to think about those things because you know, it reminded
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me of creating characters in the old you know, Marvel
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Superheroes game that you know, you would just dream like, Okay,
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how would you make this image character? Because you know,
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there wasn't an Image game back then, you know, And
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new ground of being able to you know, capture some
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of those great characters. But but yeah, we're really excited
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to be able to integrate those kind of things. And
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plans for things that we would like to do for
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future supplements, so you know, nothing we can talk about yet,
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but we're really excited about everything that we could potentially
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explore with that.
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read and as I'm starting to look at the expanded
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universe of Invincible, one of the characters that really caught
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my attention was battle Beast. Like, I'm a freelancer on
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Star Trek and I know Battlebeast's voice by Michael Dorn
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and I was like, yo, that is so awesome. And
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then in the episode where Battlebee shows up and he
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mops the floor with those guys. I'm like, when I
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started prepping for the interview, if Thiss like I could
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base an entire campaign around this, like I want to
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know more about his.
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which which is really fascinating. So there is a Battle
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Beast series that just debuted, you know, probably six months
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ago or something, because because we're in issue six of
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it right now, and and ultimately with that that moment
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in the show that you're referencing where you know, he
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mops the floor and then he literally teleports the way
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and just says like, yeah, this was not I was
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not impressed with this. I'm out of here there and
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uh and once he leaves there, there's literally like this, Uh,
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you know in the comics series, uh you you know,
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don't see Battle Beast for a very long time. Well,
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you know, now they're going back and exploring, Okay, once
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he teleported away there what happened with Battle Beasts. And
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so that's been a really cool process to see new
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Invincible content coming out for the first time in several years.
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these first six issues, and we've already incorporated you know,
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they've expanded some of the Battle Beast's lore in these
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six issues already, and we've already incorporated that into the game.
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fascinating to see that unfold like that too. So one
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of the questions I'd love to ask you both, because
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obviously this would have to be a collaboration. You've Marvel,
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you've referenced the Marvel Heroic role Player. What the game
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about you phase rip?
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for because like when you're back in the day, you'd
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have that sliding scale of trying to like who has
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like a green power, yellow power, et cetera. And here,
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obviously Monster Girl is quite different from Rexplode or Atam
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or Atamy versus like kind of robot, Like how is
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developing the stats for these guys? Like how did you
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guys manage to find the right balance with that? And
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who are who was the hardest character to get mechanically
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right without being either ope or like they're gonna walk
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into a fight and get frigging pasted.
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and I think, you know, that's something we discovered pretty
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early on that that is definitely a big challenge and
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but a fun one. And I think what we've been
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doing is that we I think had the idea from
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early on to expand the scale. I mean, like I mentioned,
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your zero typically has back and one to five attribute scales,
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so we wanted to increase that just to signal that
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in this game, you're you go way beyond your normal,
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so the scale is different. But then also you sort
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of introduce the logarithmic aspect to this, that that's some
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where you go up from like a six to a
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seven to an eight. It's not just a you know,
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you're one pretty major level stronger than on the on
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the step below. So one reference that I had when
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I started working with this was actually a very different
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game Twila two thousand that we do, which is a
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fairly semi realistic military type RPG. But I wanted to
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feel like when you face like someone fairly normal, it
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is this like omnimn it should be like facing a
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tank in twel of two thousand, it should feel like that.
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we tried to do but then yeah, of course balancing
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or someone perhaps a little bit less powerful, you still
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the game. So that's just balancing all of that, right,
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now I think it's together. I think for the most
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difficult character to adapt, I think one that we struggle
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with quite a bit is Adam Eve right Adam.
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big topic that constantly comes up because you know, on paper,
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her powers are you know, kind of ridiculous. You know,
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she can do theoretically so many things. And I think
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that that's the important part that we've kept in mind
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the important thing, and this happens in virtually every Superhero universe,
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is you know, Captain America on paper is nowhere near
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as powerful as the Hulk, but the number of times
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that he has defeated the Hulk in actual direct combat
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is pretty staggering. When you go back through and look
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at this, you know, and so it's like, how does
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that happen? And you know, I love it, and uh,
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you know, some of the older Marvel games they had
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something called Edge that they used and basically Captain America
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had this huge edge score, you know, and so that
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that was the equalizer. And and I think that you know,
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for us, at the end of the day, it comes
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down to their their role in the plot and how
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the story is told is similar that even though you know,
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Rex on paper has a less impressive you know power
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maybe than than Adam Eve, in this case, they ultimately
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kind of you know, they they are teammates. They are
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our colleagues, you know, on you know team teams starting
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out and everything. And so I think, I think that
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that's the the thing is that they can both hold
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their own, uh in the stories that are being told.
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And and really that's what we wanted to make sure
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of was that, you know, yes, if you have dark Wing,
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who you know, at least the original dark Wing had
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no you know, super natural abilities, superpowers, he you know,
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he could still hold his own against some of these
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other characters, and you know, he he had his role
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to play in those fights and so balancing between is
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always a challenge, But I think at the end of
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the day, you want the players that are playing these
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heroes to feel like they are impacting the story in
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the same way that those characters do in the comics.
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So with all that in mind, like we've talked about
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all the major established characters, but what does character creation
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look like for something like this? Because obviously the Invincient
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universe has a wide scope of abilities from like I said,
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Autumn with with like Adam eves like energy and matter manipulation, rexplode,
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kind of being like Gambit by way of Timu, stuff
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like that. Like, I'm like, literally, as you two were talking,
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I'm thinking, what is my character going to look like?
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Here?
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Already have kind of an idea for an an indigenous
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them spiritual character with like ghost powers.
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So what does character creation and generating your.
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Powers look like for something like this to scale with
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everybody else?
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Yeah, I mean, I think one concept that Adam introduced
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early on was we have like hero ranks, so you
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can sort of choose what level you want to have
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your group on, going from Team Upstarts at the lowest
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level to Street Defenders Global Guardians, which is sort of
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the effault level and then Cosmic Champions, which is basically
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those superpowered mega heroes that go across space and fight
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like galactic threats and things. So that was a good,
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great starting point to have, so you can sort of
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where you want to place your campaign or your game on,
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what sort of general power level do you want to
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be at, So that won't that's the starting point. But
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then we also wanted to of course, yeah, this game,
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I think even though it's the Invincible RPG and we
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want to explore that universe, we also wanted to be
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a vehicle and a tool set for creating your own
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superhero stories, you know, in the Invincible universe or in
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any universe if you like. So it's a very comprehensive,
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i think character creation system where you create your civilian
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side of your character, of course the superhero side. And
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there's like i think at this point, sixty nine different
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powers and then many of those common different levels and
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with different like boosts and limits that modify them. So
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there's a wide range of our statutes from and then
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add to that there are talents which are a bit
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less powerful, but that if you like a small edge drawbacks,
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there is that and then there are ways to develop
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your character's personality in a different way drives them. Of course,
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they have key relationships both the other heroes and the team,
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but also to civilians like NPCs that you have to
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manage your sort of civilian life. So there's I think
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a pretty wide range of tools, a pretty wide scope
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for character creation, even things like developing your team base,
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getting at like a team vehicle, things like that. So
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there's a I think you really can go to town with
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creating your character and also your hero team. So I
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think there's a lot there. Do you want to add
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anything to that.
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Yeah, I think that, you know. The The other part
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there that that we thought early on was going to
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be really important is that there are a whole lot
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of options that players can pick up here. And sometimes
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inspiration in the first place is one of the toughest
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challenges for a player to come up with, especially if
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they've you know, just come in from work, they're sitting
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down at the gaming table and they didn't have time
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to give it thought, you know, before in And so
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we also have archetypes and that that's a really important
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part here, and we almost thought about those in video
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game terms as load outs essentially that you know, hey,
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you can have one of the archetypes is called the
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metamorph and so you know, if you play a metamorph,
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if you if you want to play a shape shifter
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like Mystique or you know, possibly you know Martian Man
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from Invincible, you know that kind of thing, then you
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can essentially just go to this archetype, making that character
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creation a whole lot easier because it's going to suggest powers,
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it's going to you know, suggest allow you to roll
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talents that would be appropriate and applicable to that kind
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of you know, kind of iconic archetype in the comic space.
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And so, you know, I think that archetypes are a
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great way, and you know, you can always customize. So
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if you don't quite like what you see there with
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the archetypes, so even for the character concept that you
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brought up, it could potentially be going to an archetype
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like the Shaper and making a few tweaks to really
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make it fit that concept best.
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Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, good point the archetypes there,
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because they really there's like sixteen of them, which is
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quite a lot, but they because there are so many
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options in character creation, it can really help when you
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want to, you know, get to the table quickly and
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have or just have something to starting point. So that's
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that's a good point.
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Yeah, Like, like, the more I hear about this, the
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more excited I'm getting, because like I've played a couple
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of superhero games, like I've played the TSR one. I
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played one game of the Cortex one, which by the way,
491
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doesn't get nearly enough love. I've played the new Marvel
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six one six game by Matt far Back, and I
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really enjoy that one. But this one, I said, I
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like the idea, Like, here's a bunch of art types.
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But if you don't, here's like sixty something powers. Figure
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it out and not gonna lie while you guys are chatting.
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All right, Cool, I've got this idea worked out. Awesome,
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I can make my character and I just have to
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find an artist to draw this.
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Yeah.
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This is Yeah, It's rare to get this excited for
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an ip that I'm so new to. But then again,
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you guys have really picked like the perfect time. We've
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got the Invincible Versus Fighting game coming out next year
505
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.480
and I didn't get into the the beta, and damn it,
506
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.559
but the new season of the show is coming out
507
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in March. There's new comics coming out, like literally, like
508
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I said, I'm gonna go get the Companions. But now
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that Adam mentioned Battle Beast, I guess I got six
510
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issues of comics to go find later on today. So
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this is exciting, guys, Like, I'm really looking forward to
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seeing this, and you guys said there might be more
513
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cool stuff in the pipeline you can't talk about yet,
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but I will be back. I'm gonna get my own
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version of Cecil and Donald and we are gonna talk.
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But regardless, I'm excited for this guy. So thank you
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for taking time out of your days. I know for Adam,
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it's probably Turkey.
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Day today, so thank you again.
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And not quite but you know, all the preparations go
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on for like a week round here, so.
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Yeah, you guys take that haliway ridiculously seriously. And then
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Thomas is Thursday. But yeah, guys, again, thank you so much.
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We are gonna be talking again, like once I get
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a once I get my hand on hands on the
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rules for this and I can start creating stuff. I
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think we're gonna have another conversation, looking forward to seeing
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this come out next year. When are when are pre
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orders expected to open next year because now that the
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Kickstarter is over, I presume late pledges are probably done too.
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Late pedges are actually still available, so that's there. Yeah,
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you can actually make a late pedge right now, and
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then there's going to be more more of a regular
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pre order closer to the release, which is going to
535
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be sometime late summer most likely.
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Fantastic guys.
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Well, once again, thank you so much for joining us
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here on this weekend gieg. I wish you guys all
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the success in the world, and I too cannot wait
540
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:08.039
to be well. See if I had a title card,
541
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.000
it would pop up here, but I don't, but you
542
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:13.119
know what I'm going for. So guys, that was my
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00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:17.920
interview with Adam and Thomas. This game sounds awesome, Like.
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Seriously, the Invincible universe is not.
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00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.519
Something I expected to like this much, but you guys
546
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:25.920
know how I really don't sleep, and the fact that
547
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I'm able to stay up all night in Marathon Invincible.
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I'm gonna be getting the fighting game. I'm going to
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my local Compic store to pick this up today. This
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00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:36.720
is exciting. I haven't been typed about a game like
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this in years, and it's kind of refreshing, not since like, well,
552
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:42.559
I guess the Aliens evolved really had me excited. But
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00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:44.759
this is cool, Like honestly, I'm looking forward to it.
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00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:46.440
Freely has been really good to us, so we'll be
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talking about this for sure next year. And this is
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something I've added into my Holiday Gift Guide as new
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00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.519
and upcoming, so when that comes out, hopefully things are
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still available.
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00:29:57.319 --> 00:29:59.640
Please check this out. There's gonna be lots of information.
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00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:01.519
There's a lot some people on YouTube talking about this
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00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:03.640
right now, so go give this a check out. Go
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00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.279
to Freelya's website, just type in Invincible RPG. You'll find
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00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.960
out more and just listen to people. I said, this
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is gonna be awesome. So anyway, guys, I'm gonna get
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00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:13.839
out here. I have a lot of books to read
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00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.079
between now and Holiday Gift Guide, So I'll be back
567
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:21.319
with Alex doing the final live show of the year,
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which will be taking place probably on Monday, if not
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Sunday of this week, and then we are in Holiday
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Gift Guide prep and we also have the Game Awards
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from Los Angeles coming up the week of the tenth,
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so we'll be talking about that and then our last
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big holiday gift guide you can look for on December twelfth.
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Your last minute holiday needs be the video games, movies, television,
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or something weird for the cap. That's what we're gonna
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be talking about. So anyway, guys, I am going to
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get out of here. I've been Mike the Birdman saying,
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be excellent to each other and we will be back
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right here on This Week in Geek dot Net.
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At no point and you're rambling incoherent response, were you
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even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought?
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Thanks for listening to this episode of This Week in Geek.
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