TWIG Classic - Monthly Topic Show 115 - Universal Horror (With James Rolfe)

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not alone as I trek through the Univoosarle Movie Monster catalog.
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I'm joined with my able body, youthful ward the children.
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Then Scott Bord this and you will.
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You will get used to these, And of course it's
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not Halloween here on this week and geek without my
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friend I've been friends with James. Well, I guess I
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just spoiled a surprise for the last seven years. Actually,
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oh wow, I got How the hell have I known
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you this long?
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I can't even think back to the first time. Where
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was it.
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I think we just ran with you had just started
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doing your angry Nintendo Nerd videos. I sent you a
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message on YouTube. It just kept going back and forth,
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and we started talking on my show, and then we
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just we always would meet each other at MAGFest or
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some convention for at least half hour.
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It might have been one of the Screw Attack conventions first,
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like the Iron Man one.
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Yeah, back in two thousand and each the first time
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I met you face to face. My god, such a
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long time ago. So as always, James, it is a
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pleasure to have you here on the show.
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Oh thank you, Yeah, thanks for asking me again.
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So, guys, like I said, we're gonna be talking universal
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movie Monster something I know James knows like the back
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of his hand. And this traces all the way back
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to two thousand and sevens, the original Monster Madness when
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that came out. Are going through the history of Horror,
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and then was continued on in sequel Thon and then
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with more detail through other Monster manuss. Obviously, you can
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find these all up on YouTube or on cinemasacre dot
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com if you want to find out more information. So, guys,
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we're not gonna waste your time anymore. We're gonna hit
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you with a little bit of a factoid thing we
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like to call just the facts.
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I am not cute that I bid you welcome. Listen
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to them the nine What's music today?
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Me?
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Welcome back my horror movie themes for this week in
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geek dot Nets topic show for the month of October,
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and this time we're looking at the classic Universal horror
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movie monsters and their legacies. Universal Monsters applies to a
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series of horror suspense movies made by Universal Studios from
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about nineteen twenty three to just about nineteen sixty. The
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series began with the nineteen twenty three version of The
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Hunchback of Notre Dame and continued with such movies such
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as Phantom of the Opera, Dracula, Frankenstein, The Mummy, The
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Invisible Man, Bride of Frankenstein, The Wolfman, Frankenzeim Meets the Wolfman,
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Son of Dracula, Creature from the Black Lagoon, and among
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many others which are entirely too many to list, and
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you'd be here all damn day. The studios leading horror
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actors were Lawn Chaney, Bella Lagosi, Boris Karloff, and Lawn
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Chaney Junior, and the numerous directors would include Todd Browning
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and James Whale. The era would begin soundless and start
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with the Hunchback of Notre Dame with lawn Chaney back
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in nineteen twenty three, but it was more of a
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historical drama more so than anything else. The next feature
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would feature Cheney again, but this time as the legendary
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Phantom of the Opera. Things began the changes a decade
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due to her close and we would unfortunately see the
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death of Lawn Janey due to throat cancer, but we
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would see the birth of something else sound in horror movies,
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and the era began with the unsettling Gothic hor of
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Dracula with Bella Lagosi. Draculu would make his Theat debut
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and scare audiences in nineteen thirty one with Legosi in
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the lead role, along with Renfield played by Dwight Fry
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and Edward Van Sloan as Doctor Van Helsing. This film
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would introduce many elements that will become a part of
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the Van pyromethos, such as the accent, the cape, the
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Gothic atmosphere, and the crumbling castle. We owe a lot
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of this to mister Legosi, so thanks for that. Not
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long after, we would be introduced to the mad scigns
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of Doctor Henry Frankenstein with Colin Clive in the role,
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and the monster would be played by the man himself,
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Boris Karloff. The Monster would also have a few sequels
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with him in the role, heavy makeup and the performance
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given would shock theater goers at this time. It is
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one of the only movies I can think of that
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actually has a warning before it delivered completely straight. You
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would also get a direct sequel with The Bride of Frankenstein.
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Universal would churn out more hits like the Animal Trapped
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Inside the Man with Lon Jenny Juniors, the Wolfman, and
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we'd get chills again from The Mummy with Boris Karloff
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and even later still with the Creature from the Black Lagoon.
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In the mid nineteen fifties would also even be a
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battle Royal SmackDown with the House of Frankenstein. Films that
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were also releasing this golden era include Man Made Monster,
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Invisible Agent, Weird Woman, The Mad Ghoul, Son of Dracola,
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She Wolf of London, and even the comedy of Abbott
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and Costella Meet Frankazon, among many many others. The classic
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era would end around the nineteen sixty, but the legacy
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lives on through multiple releases and theaters playing homage to
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these horrors of the silver screen. We may not always
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still fear Frankston's monsters, Dracula, the Wolfman, the Hunchback, or
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even the Mad Scientists, but we respect where they came
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from and where they will lead the horror genre going forward.
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Today we celebrate these titans of terrorist cinemaskers James rolf
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On this week and Geek gott NEETs topic show for
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the month of October.
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It's.
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Gone.
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I know what it feels like to be gone.
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Welcome back, my too. As you just heard the justifacts
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for the Universal Monster movies, and uh man, these movies
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are classics. They are such fun movies to watch, especially
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at this time of year.
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You know, it's I didn't used to like the idea
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of universal horror movies, and I'll tell you why. I
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always had this, this conception that they were stupid, they
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were cheesy, because they were black and white. They sucked.
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Allow me to say that I was an ignorant fuck.
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Then you went to college.
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Yeah, and then I went to college, and I completely
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recant this. In fact, what we're gonna talk about now
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is how we first discovered these. And I'll go first,
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this the Patriot. How much of an ignorant fuck I
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actually am? It turns out a year ago today is
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the first time that I saw this, So thank you
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get glue for tracking when I watch movies. I went
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to my local theater. They had this double bill, which
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was really cool. For six bucks, you could go see
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the original Dracula and the original Frankenstein. Now, my wife
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didn't want to go with me. She doesn't like horror
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movies are black and white movies in general, and that's whatever.
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So I go and literally it's like something out of Frankenstein. Literally,
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like there's all this fog everywhere, it's a dark night,
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I'm driving by myself, there's wind whipping around, there's leaves everywhere,
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Like it literally seems like like a scene out of
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a horror movie. So I pull up to the theater
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and there's me and maybe seven or eight other people
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in there, so not a super successful double bill, but
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it's people I know that give a shit about this.
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So I go in there. I do not know what
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to expect, and I'm sitting in the theater and Dracula
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comes up on screen. Now, this is the first time
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I'd ever seen Bella the ghost that wasn't you know
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Martin Landau. And I was utterly impressed, Like I did
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not expect these movies to a clip along so fast,
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because horror movies back they didn't have to follow Oh
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you must be ninety minutes blah blah blah. And I
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was utterly blown away, like I could not believe how
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entertaining these were. And I could see, wow, I could
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see how other horror movies had taken inspiration from this.
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And literally there was a fifteen minute break in between
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Dracula and Frankenstein. So I called up my wife on
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my on my cell phone and I'm like, holy shit,
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you really should have come. This is actually really good.
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There's no way you can get bored in these movies
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because they were all succinct and so fast, and then
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Frankenstein came on the screen later and I'm sitting there
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just utterly entranced by I think it's a call and Clive,
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the guy that plays doctor Henry Frankenstein in obviously Frankenstein,
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and this guy's presence on screen complete lately sucked me
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in and it's that. And it was that moment where
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he starts talking to uh doctor Waldman Edward Van Sloane
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and he says, wouldn't you want to know why the
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sky's blue? What's beyond the stars? Et cetera like that,
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And I'm thinking, holy shit, I need to see all
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these And that's how I got into it. So I
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feel so dumb for loving horror movies like Chucky Jason
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Freddie for all these years and never giving these guys
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a shake.
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Oh so that was just last year.
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Huh yeah, just last year. And I've really started to
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look back at other directors, like in the horror genre,
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Like I'm like, I want to go back and see
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more of James Whale's stuff, Todd Browning stuff, and just
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see where these guys have come from and movies that
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they did that word horror because I love their style.
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So Scotty, what about you. How did you first discover
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the Universal Movie Monsters.
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Well, the time I first discovered the Universal Movie Monsters
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was in a King's Kids meal what it was like
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the nineties, and they had like the Creature from the
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Black Lagoon, the wolf Man, like toys in your in
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your little happy meals there and that was the first
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time I was like four or five somewhere around there,
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and that was the first time I had actually like
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seen these guys, and I'd always had a love. I
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always loved the way they looked, but it wasn't until
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later that I actually got to see any of the
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films around that still time period. My family, I guess
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because Belle Lagosi was Hungarian and that's my background. My
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uncle and my grandfather like had a big love for
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the guy because he was a fellow countryman, so they'd
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always my uncle would always tell me elaborate stories how
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we are actually descendants of the bloodline of vampire hunters
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and stuff like this, all these weird stories when I
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was a kid, which always really got me interested to
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see these films. And I saw Dracula when I was little,
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bits and pieces of it. I don't remember when exactly.
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It all happened, but I just remember seeing a bit
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of it at my grandparents' house. I think my uncle
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had brought it over, and I was a scaredy cat
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of any kind of monster of horror films, and I
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was like, Oh, if it's on tele if it's on
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a TV screen, it's probably gonna scare me. I don't
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know what's gonna happen here. He's gonna jump out, scare me,
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kill somebody. So I never actually watched the whole thing.
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Then a few years later, I had gotten The Mummy
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from the library because I had seen the remakes and
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I was like, Oh, these are cool, I want to
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see the original one. And then I watched that with
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my grandpa as well, and I really liked it. It
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was something about it, like feeling like I knew the
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story already, which was really cool to see. And then
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see the films from the nineteen thirties and just comparing
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both of them. As a kid, I thought that was
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kind of cool, knowing that a film from thirty years
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from nineteen thirty two was still captivating an audience in
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the new millennium. But then I hadn't seen any of
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the horror films until recently when I actually went out
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to see them on I want to get the blue
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ray set, and I just wanted to watch all of
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them to see what I was missing. And that comes
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to run now when I finally got to see the rest,
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well most of the Universal films, and.
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Then finally James, because I know you've had a huge
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love of these for probably most of your life, how
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did you first get into these guys?
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Yeah, I was about eleven or twelve when I first
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got in the Universal Monster movies, and there was no
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Internet back then, so they weren't that easy to find.
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You'd think these movies would be on TV all the time,
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but they weren't, or at least I could never find them.
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They used to show them back in the fifties as
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part of those shock packages, but our generation wasn't really
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being exposed to them. However, we were being exposed to
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them in just different ways, like on cereal boxes and
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you know, cartoons and stuff, like the monsters were everywhere,
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like you almost knew them even if you didn't see
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any of the movies. And I think the books that
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really got me into them were these books by Ian Thorne,
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the Crestwood House series and I did a video on that,
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which explains it more. You'll find that I keep doing
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that all the time. I'll keep saying I have a video,
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because then if that just means if there's a longer answer. Basically,
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those books were what got me interested in them. And
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then those are old books too, They're from like the seventies,
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but they just happened to be laying around in my
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school's library and I found them and I read them.
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But then it was all just screenshots, all just stills,
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so I would have to imagine what the movie looked
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like if.
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It was moving.
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So those books were really good for my imagination, and
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then it was interesting to see the actual movies and
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then find you know, how close my imagination was to it.
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And I didn't really start finding them until some of
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my video stores would have them, and then then I
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found out you could order them too, so then I
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just started saving up money to buy them, and it
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was it was a long process, but I eventually got
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to see all the ones I wanted to.
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So when you started like kind of collecting all these tapes,
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is there one that was maybe particularly hard to find?
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They they released all the main ones first. Uh, yeah,
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because this was all happening around the same time. They
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were putting out all these new VHS releases of them,
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and they sort of did like one batch at a time.
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So first they would do Dracula, Frankenstein and The Mummy,
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the Invisible Man, the wolf Man, you know, all the
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main ones, and then they started getting into more like
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The Black Cat, the Raven and and all the the
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sequels to the you know, the monster movies. But then
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there were some at the very bottom of the barrel
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that just never came out on beachs and I haven't
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seen those until recently because they're really really rare and
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hard to track down. But now that I've been watching those,
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I know why because they suck. So there are there's
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like one called That's the Spirit, just all these movies
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you would never hear about because there there's just nothing
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to remember about.
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Oh and you know that's the thing. I mean, not
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everything in the Universal Movie catalog is necessarily super memorable
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or good, which is kind of sad, but all the
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classic ones pretty much everybody knows and loves. In fact,
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I didn't even what I was doing some research for
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the show last night, and this will kind of transition
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into what we're gonna talk about now the actual monsters themselves.
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I didn't realize that For some reason, I held this
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thought that Lon Cheney was still the wolf Man. Didn't
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realize it was Lon Cheney Junior.
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For a really, really long ass time was the same actor.
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Yeah, I really thought it was that, And then I
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found that out last time, like, oh, that's terrible. He
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got a throat cancer before he could ever get cast
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in Dracula, although they know that they actually wanted him.
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So let's talk about some of the monsters themselves. And
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I I was just mentioning the Hunchback there and the
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Phantom of the Opera Lawn Cheney Jr. Yeah, those are
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two guys I really wish i'd seen more of. In fact,
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once we're done this show, probably gonna go watch that actually,
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probably Phantom of the Opera.
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Yeah, the lawn Cheney, Well, that's that's the best one.
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But both Hunchback and Phantom are in the public domain.
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And I don't know what it is, but Universal just
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doesn't want to touch the public domain ones because I
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guess they just feel it's worth their time or whatever.
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So the version of Phantom that always ends up on
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those those collections like that Blu Ray, that Essential collection
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that we were talking about earlier before the you know,
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recording started. But like they always use the nineteen forty
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three Phantom, which is the color one starring Claude Rains,
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and it doesn't even come close to the original. It's
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just it's just really sad that that's the one that
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they always It's not a terrible movie, but and it's
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actually a lot more the production. It's huge, it's in color,
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and it's you know, got huge sets and costumes everything,
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but it's not anything close to the lawn chaining one.
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Which that kind of says something because the fact that
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the Phantom was the original launching on had no sound. Yeah,
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like it was a purely physical performance, and I've.
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Think it was a sound version of it where they
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dubbed it.
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But you know, it's just not you know, it kind
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of takes away from it. And that's but something that
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I liked about the Phantom character because I've seen all
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the all the stills of it, and there's something that
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very much disturbs the shit. I mean, I don't there's
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something about that very gaunt face of lun Chaney that's
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just it creeps me the fuck out. Actually for a
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lot of a better phrase.
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He was great with makeup because he did all that
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makeup himself, and that's.
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I think a bit of a lost art these days
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actors that are willing to do that to themselves in
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some ways, like because back then, I think actors were
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more hardcore in a lot of ways. Because I was
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reading about Boris Karloff doing Frankenstein and how you have
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to sit there for like five or six hours in
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the makeup chair do all his own stunts and everything.
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And he would go home in that sometimes too.
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Oh my god, that's awesome.
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And it seems today like we have stunt doubles, we
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have all these prosthetics. Back then, I don't know, it
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just it was more elbow grease, and I can really
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appreciate that more well.
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I also think it comes to the fact that a
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lot of those actors at the time came from a
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theater background too.
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Yeah, and it really helps their performances. And one performance
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I'd love to point out because he was a theater actor,
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was Bella Legosi in Dracula. He has this incredible on
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screen presence. Everybody else except for maybe Dwight Fry Edward
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Van Sloane pale to him because whenever he walks in
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the room, he doesn't have.
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To say anything.
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Yeah, yeah, well you feel this intimidating, sexy presence. And
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we do this this DVD commentary which will be out
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next week, and we talk about it like he's unconventionally
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handsome in a way that unnerves a man, yet a
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woman is kind of drawn into it, I think. And
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it's because of the physicality I think he had by
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being a theater actor. He knows how to overact at
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just the right moment to really convey the physical part
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of the role. And when he speaks, you want to listen,
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like every word he says is important to what will
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happen to you next. Yeah, and that's something I can't
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think of any actors today, and that's probably ignorant to say,
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but I really can't leaves up the top of my
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head who have that kind of presence.
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Kristen Stewart, Yeah, clearly.
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Uh.
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The you know what, I can't even remember the asshole
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who played Edward Cullin.
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Now, I can't even remember Robert Pattinson. Let's get it
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real here, Michael Dodd.
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Oh yeah, well, actually you know, I'm kind of glad
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and said at the same time that you mentioned that,
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because Dracula from these movies is what we think of
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as the modern vampire. Like in Mary in Bram Sucker's Dracula,
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he's this decrepit old guy who does get younger as
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he drinks more blood. But in Dracula the movie, he
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has the certain this certain physical qualities, the way he dresses,
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the with it, he gives this air of high society
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nobility almost yeah, like this nobility and yet slight arrogance,
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like I'm better than you.
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I don't have to tell you that I'm count Dracula.
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Who are you?
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Exactly? Like he just walks into him and you and
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you know it. And that's just what we associate with vampires.
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And it wasn't until probably i'd say probably the eighties
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is when things started to change for vampires. We got
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the more vicious ones, and then in the nineties we
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got the blade vampires, and then the two thousands.
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Are sexy vampires.
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And it's sexy because it's literally the actor is sexy,
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Whereas I think someone like Belle Legosi brought sexy because
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it was a confidence that didn't need to be conveyed
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by fucking ab.
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Machines, or I would have slept with bell Legosi. If
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he looked at me like that, if you start waving
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his hand, I been like, yes, sir.
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Well.
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The thing about Bella Lagosi is he has these intense eyes.
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Very much so when he's looking you can see the
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concentration and like he's not breaking any eye contact.
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And it's weird because as I did more research for this,
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I was listening to a documentary about him. He would
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only memorize the lines for the movie he was doing
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in English, so it wasn't his first language, so he'd
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have these odd pauses and these odd uh mannerisms to it.
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And when he performed the role, he threw himself one
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hundred and fifty percent into it. When he stared at you,
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like there's there's there's that great close up in Dracula
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where the camera kind of kind of starts to push
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in on his eyes and they're all kind of lit up.
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And then there's another one where he's going after Mina
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and he's just about to bite her and the camera
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pauses on his face again and just that intensity right there.
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Yeah, And there's so much silence in the movie too,
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because they were just off of the silent era and
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they didn't really think to put in music. I mean,
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there is another music track somebody did in recent years,
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but it doesn't for some reason, it doesn't work. That
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movie just doesn't need music.
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It plays off the tension of it being silent.
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Yeah, and that's while going back and watching Dracula as
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you as you both mentioned it didn't have a soundtrack.
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I mean, there are there are pieces of music that
483
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.839
are played at the beginning and in the opera scene. Yeah,
484
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.839
and that's about it. The fact that it doesn't have
485
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:49.160
sound It's an unintentionally tension building element that like Scott
486
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.200
had had just mentioned, and there are certain scenes where
487
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.720
it is so effective that I wonder if the director
488
00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:57.519
didn't even know it.
489
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:01.480
And cool too it You said that your first time
490
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:03.400
seeing it you really got into it too.
491
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:05.960
Right, Yeah, like like literally it sucked me in.
492
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:08.839
That's cool, Yeah, because a lot of people have trouble
493
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:14.119
with Dracula, especially because it's very quiet. Even as a kid.
494
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:16.240
That was one where I had to see it a
495
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:18.400
few times for it to really grow on me the
496
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:21.200
way it did. But but yeah, it's like all that
497
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:27.240
sort of all that just plays to its advantage.
498
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.680
Oh yeah, very much so. And again it's also the
499
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:35.279
unintentional in the sense that it was only four years
500
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:40.319
into the UH era of talkies, so it's like we
501
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:42.559
didn't they didn't really have all the pre established like
502
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.319
let's put soundtrack in here while we're talking and stuff
503
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:49.519
and yeah sorry, oh yeah.
504
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.559
And when they and even as the horror movies progressed
505
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:55.920
throughout the years, they knew enough when to play with
506
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.920
sound because sound design was still very new in its
507
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:04.920
infancy with this, Yes, it's it's I don't know. I said,
508
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:06.359
this is one of one of those movies obviously be
509
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:10.240
preserved for all time, and it's something I think. It's
510
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.119
something I wish my film professor had shown me when
511
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:18.880
I went to college a number of years ago, because
512
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.240
I would have appreciated sound design more because it was
513
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:24.440
absent in Dracula.
514
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:26.759
And Yeah, you can pick it up easier, I think,
515
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:29.039
because there's not much of it, so you'd be able
516
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:30.839
to notice where these things are happening.
517
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:34.599
Yeah, but then you go to Frankenstein, which came right
518
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.160
after and The Old Dark House, which came right after that,
519
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.319
and those movies had storms going on. The reason there
520
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:46.480
is sound is because there's constant thunder and rain and wind, so.
521
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:48.920
It changes up the film completely.
522
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:54.079
Yeah, which, all right, let's actually talk about Frankenstein, and
523
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:56.319
we're kind of doing this out of order, which is
524
00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.680
fine for me. Looking at Frankenstein, as you mention, James
525
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:04.440
and had really great sound for it, and it's something
526
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.160
that really helps get you in into it because one
527
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:11.279
of the old tropes I've heard about making horror movies
528
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.279
is half your movie is sound. Horror movies are goofy
529
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:17.680
if you take away the sound. The lone exception being
530
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:23.240
Dracula into it and there are just there's little things
531
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.119
in that movie that really, really, really really get you
532
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.559
into the scene. The one that does it most for
533
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:32.480
me is when he brings the monster to life and
534
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:37.680
you hear that crackling of electricity and just electricity. That
535
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:42.079
was a sound they must have captured on set, because electricity,
536
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.400
when you hear in movies now doesn't have that raw
537
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.319
crackle where it has that really rough edge to it.
538
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:50.599
It sounds more polished it. It sounds more like a
539
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.920
like a Brent Burt sound effect from Star Wars.
540
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:59.640
Yeah, you really believe that it's antique equipment that's just buzzing.
541
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:01.480
All over the place, and which is really cool because
542
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:05.480
I think they kept that stuff around till the nineteen seventies,
543
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.640
that original Frankenstein gear then I guess I don't know
544
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:08.279
what happened to him.
545
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:10.680
I heard they used it on Young Frankenstein.
546
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.960
It was the same gear, which is incredible the fact, Yeah,
547
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.559
it stayed around for that long, so I know, not
548
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.440
all sets necessarily get kept.
549
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.720
Yeah, I think I think some of it still exists.
550
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:24.519
Actually I'm really not sure.
551
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:28.759
But well, especially if it existed until Young Frankenstein that
552
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.319
I'm assuming people would have tried to buy that stuff up.
553
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:32.240
Yeah.
554
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:35.839
In fact, somebody just sent me a pictures. One of
555
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:39.680
my friends was at Universal Florida and said he sent
556
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.279
me a picture that they had in like a glass case.
557
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.440
They had some of the light bulb sort of things
558
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:49.319
that went off, and it looked pretty ancient. But I'm
559
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:51.279
not sure if it's because you know, you never know
560
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.400
that some things are replicas.
561
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:58.759
And no, it's very hard hard to authenticate unless you
562
00:30:58.799 --> 00:30:59.680
were actually there.
563
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:02.720
So speak Yeah, because the only things that I've heard
564
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.000
that have survived from any of those movies were let's
565
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:12.680
see the boots from the Monster in abin Costello Meat Frankenstein.
566
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:18.880
I think that's in Bob Burns's collection. The Dracula cape
567
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.119
Lugosi was buried in. That was the one from abnic
568
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.599
Costello Meat Frankenstein. I think the original cape for re
569
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:31.359
Akerman had, but after he passed away, I'm not sure
570
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:32.960
brought up all this stuff.
571
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.359
I know his son still has one.
572
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:38.880
Oh okay, yeah there was.
573
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:42.960
There was a part in the documentary about Bella where
574
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.279
they mentioned he was buried in one of the capes.
575
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:49.519
He had eight capes to begin with, but he stucked
576
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.599
him off over the years and he still has one
577
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.920
which he's gonna keep. So I'd like to know where
578
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.079
these all ended up. And I know there aren't many
579
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.119
movie posts left from this era either. I used to
580
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:04.960
watch this show. I think it was called Hollywood Treasures.
581
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:06.319
Yeah, that's a great show.
582
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.519
Yeah, he's just a really neat shit on there.
583
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:09.000
Oh, I know.
584
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:13.279
And they found an original Frankenstein poster and I think
585
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:14.759
it went for something like ten grand.
586
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.079
Oh my gosh, those are so beautiful.
587
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:17.279
Though.
588
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:22.920
There's an original Mummy poster that Kirk Hammett from Metallica
589
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:27.079
bought and it was because he put out a horror
590
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.599
book that's all his collection, and it's crazy. The Mummy one.
591
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.519
I can't remember the number offhand, but he just went
592
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:38.200
to this guy's house, dropped down i'm gonna say, like
593
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.599
tens of thousands of dollars in cash on the guy's table,
594
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:43.759
and he still didn't want to give it to him.
595
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.720
He eventually got it, but it was like the only
596
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:49.839
Mummy poster in existence.
597
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:55.839
My gosh, holy shit, that's awesome. The art behind these
598
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:57.000
things are beautiful, though.
599
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:01.960
Oh my god. Yeah, in that Blue Race set from Universal,
600
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:07.599
you get these poster postcards and they're all replicas of
601
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.599
the original movie posters. In fact, I was actually saying
602
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.359
this to my friend Dave. I'm looking at the poster
603
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:18.400
for Frankenstein. That is genuinely, i think, one of the
604
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.839
best looking posters that I've ever seen for a film,
605
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:26.480
and because it literally seems like it's popping out at you,
606
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.880
and it just has this style that captures the makeup,
607
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.480
it captures the contours of Carlov's face, and it has
608
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.440
this really neat color gradient to it that well, they
609
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:42.160
didn't have photoshop back then, so there was a real
610
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:44.880
artistry behind these things as opposed to the movie posters
611
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.640
of today, which are just two big heads photoshop with
612
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.519
some stupid text over it. X men Days the Future
613
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:55.160
pass I'm looking at you. And it's just there's such
614
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.680
a beauty to all these and even seeing the Mummy
615
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.359
him and his makeup all wrapped up Dracula. There's like,
616
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.319
there's actually something called the Dracula Archives on the Blu
617
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:10.360
Ray and it's set to music, the music that was
618
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.400
played in the beginning. It's like the full sweep Swan
619
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:17.400
Lake and it's just Dracula posters and it's really neat
620
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:18.559
to see some of the different.
621
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:20.519
Yeah, there were a lot of posters for those moment,
622
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:22.800
because when you brought up the Frankenstein one, I was
623
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.199
going through my head thinking of which, you know, because
624
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:30.840
there's like so many different ones. Yeah, but I think
625
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:31.920
I know the one you mean, though.
626
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:37.800
There is one that I like and it's so it
627
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:41.800
must have been an Italian release and it's one where
628
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:45.599
it's Dracula hovering over Mina and I wish I could
629
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:50.199
remember the actresses name something Chambers, wasn't it. It'll probably
630
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.599
come to me. Someone's probably yelling at at their mic right.
631
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:56.800
Now and it's posters that I have are twenty years
632
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:58.960
old and they're still on my wall. I thought them
633
00:34:58.960 --> 00:34:59.679
when I was thirteen.
634
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:03.639
Oh my god. I tend to trash by posters, and
635
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:05.239
I've had some really nice ones over the years.
636
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:10.079
They're so cool, Like I just couldn't you know, bear
637
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:13.559
They're not originals or anything like that, you know, but
638
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.280
they're just look at It's like, if you watch the
639
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:22.599
nerd video for uh Frankenstein, those two posters in the back,
640
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:23.400
those are the ones.
641
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:28.719
I mean, actually, Where's I going with this? Oh right,
642
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.519
So the poster that I'm talking about is one where
643
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:34.639
Draca is hovering over Mina and there's just like a
644
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:36.840
little bubble off to the side. And that's something that
645
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:40.000
I did notice about those movies. They would always have
646
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:43.840
bubbles of scenes that weren't necessarily related to the main
647
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.039
picture that was being shown. Like they've got drag of
648
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.719
the posters that show Jonathan talking to Edward Van Sloan's
649
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.159
character of doctor van Helsing. They've got ones that are
650
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:58.679
just people talking and yet it says Dracula coming out
651
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.000
blah blah blah blah, And that's something really weird, Like
652
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.079
you could get away with that back then, and it
653
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:04.119
was Okay.
654
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.320
Now everyone's gonna sue you, that's not the movie.
655
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.039
Well yeah, yeah, it's so strange with that. Like movie posters,
656
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.679
back then, it was way different than it is now.
657
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.880
In fact, there is one movie poster that I want
658
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:21.079
to pick up. It's not a universal movie, but I
659
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:22.880
just want to talk about this for just ten seconds.
660
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:26.719
I saw it on AMC's fear Fest. It was called
661
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:31.280
The Beast Must Die and it is the weirdest. It's
662
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:36.480
about this guy, this black karate master guy who goes
663
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.760
around the world, gets ten people to come to his
664
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:41.800
house and says one of you is a were wolf
665
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:47.280
and I'm going to kill you. And the cool thing
666
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:50.639
is it's an interactive movie. Right before the movie starts,
667
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.280
this announcer comes on and says, one of these people
668
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.679
is a were wolf. Can you guess who? Will stop
669
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:58.679
at the end of the movie to take your guesses?
670
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.760
And it's really, really, really neat. And how was this
671
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:06.079
weird funky synth soundtrack to it too? It's really weird.
672
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.880
I think it came out like nineteen seventy four. James.
673
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:10.239
If you get a chance, you should check this out
674
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.280
for next year's Monster Man because it's so weird but
675
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:16.360
so awesome. Okay, uh yeah, yeah, yeah.
676
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:21.519
Yeah, it's strict's interactive, like like it was interactive back then.
677
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.000
Yeah, like like like like they stopped the movie at
678
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.599
the beginning, and they stop it right at at the end.
679
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:30.639
Is it kind of like William Castle's style, like the
680
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.199
Tingler and stuff stop the movie and yeah.
681
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.880
Yeah, they like kind of stop it and then they
682
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.039
it kind of plays out like clue where they drop
683
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:43.320
hints about it throughout the movie and there's a couple
684
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:46.639
of red herrings along the way. The ending is really neat,
685
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.239
that I'll say, But it's the weird performances in it
686
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.519
that I really enjoy. And I actually started looking for
687
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:54.880
a poster for it because I'm thinking, I guess I
688
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:57.599
just became a whore hipster, Like I like this movie.
689
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:02.599
You've never heard of it. But back to the show
690
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:07.039
at hand. So, when we look at some of the
691
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.760
other movies that come out of the Universal Era, another
692
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.639
one that I wish I'd gotten into and very much
693
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:18.119
differed from some of the other films was The Wolfman
694
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:22.800
and The Wolfman took it made a man into a
695
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:28.280
monster because it wasn't necessarily the fact that he wanted
696
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.719
to be this. It just that's the way it was,
697
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.960
and it brought a different type of humanity to it
698
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.159
because you look at Dracula, he is an evil dude,
699
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:44.440
there's no questioning that. Yeah, Frankenstein is literally he is
700
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:48.719
without fault because he is like a child, at least
701
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.840
at least in the first Frankenstein. When you get to
702
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.000
the other ones, there's more deliberate action and with the
703
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:57.360
wolf Man, he has this animal inside of him. And
704
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:01.119
I yeah, and I think that's something that audience has
705
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:03.800
really got back then, because that's another thing too, watching
706
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.840
these horror movies. There is a lot of commentary there
707
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:11.480
that may not necessarily be intended, but I think really is.
708
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:13.480
I mean, for example, and I'll just and then we'll
709
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.199
talk about the wolf Man. In Frankenstein, they stop the
710
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:19.400
movie at the beginning and this guy comes out and
711
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:23.800
tells you this is a movie that explains life and death.
712
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:26.320
If you have a weak heart, Well we warned you
713
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:30.599
because you would see the digging of the graves, you
714
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:32.639
hear the dirt hit the cough and the guy hanging
715
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.719
right at the very beginning, and when they bring Frankenstein
716
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:38.079
back to life, we all assume, yeah, it's a dead
717
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:44.480
body being reanimated. Correct, So put yourself in Frankenstein's shoes,
718
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.719
those very large shoes for just a minute. Imagine, if
719
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.360
you will, you are the guy waking up in Frankanstan's
720
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:56.360
body as far as you know the mons, right, yeah, yeah,
721
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.039
So you wake up in the monster's body, you're dead.
722
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:03.519
Imagine if you wake up from that, Imagine the utter
723
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:09.039
terror that you have. You've come back from something. I mean,
724
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:12.480
even if that wasn't an abnormal brain in that body,
725
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:17.199
that would drive you insane. The fact that you've now
726
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:19.440
cheated death, that you are back I mean. And some
727
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.159
people might say, yeah, I beat death and give it
728
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.360
the finger, but just think about the existential tear of
729
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:27.960
what that means. You either confirm the life after death
730
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.519
or there's not, and that knowledge could literally drive you insane.
731
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:33.639
And that's why I look at Frankton as a more
732
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:39.360
sympathetic childlike creature, especially after he accidentally kills the little
733
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:42.239
girl because he assumes she will float too, just like
734
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:43.119
those flowers.
735
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.679
Especially in Bride of Frankenstein, he really starts the mature
736
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:49.719
and everything, and you really see more sides of the monster.
737
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.440
Yeah, and with the wolf man. You get this idea
738
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.519
that you know, as a man, he has this. You know,
739
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.800
men are expected to behave a certain way civilized we are,
740
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.079
we are not the creatures that roam the forests.
741
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:05.679
Well, he's a wolf. He's chasing girls down and stuff.
742
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:08.760
Because there's a scene in the beginning when he's peeping
743
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:11.880
on that girl through her through her bedroom, and then
744
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:13.519
he goes to the shop and he says, I want
745
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.119
those earrings you have on your bedroom desk. He're the
746
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:19.079
ones you're just trying on. How do you know this?
747
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.719
Oh I'm psychic? Oh okay, then yeah, I.
748
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:27.079
Love that even as a kid, I love that. You know,
749
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:30.079
it was just the right amount of creepy, like it
750
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.280
could have been overkilled if if you know, if it
751
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:39.559
went too far, but you know it's in some odd way. Yeah,
752
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.920
it's like you you kind of you like the guy
753
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.360
going into the movie and he becomes the wolf. You
754
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:48.599
really do feel sorry for him what happens.
755
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.400
And that's something that I think is neat the fact
756
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:55.079
that he does turn into this wolf creature and can't
757
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:57.559
really control himself through it. And then, like I said,
758
00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:58.519
he is creepy.
759
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.320
Yeah, and he's the only one of the monsters that
760
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:07.159
played the monster in all the sequels, So I think
761
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:11.599
like it really became his character, Like nobody else could
762
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:15.119
play like you know, they've they've they've had many people
763
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:18.079
into the you know, the Frankenstein Monster makeup and the
764
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:21.119
Mummy and all that, but the Wolfman could only be
765
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:23.199
Lon Chaney Junior.
766
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.360
Wasn't he super happy to be typecast because now he's
767
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.880
made his mark? Or was that karl Off that had
768
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:30.760
said that. I can't.
769
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.079
I think they all were happy with what happened with
770
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.119
them all, but Launch Chane Junior was kind of he
771
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:41.320
felt really pressured though, because they start billing him as
772
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:44.119
Lon Chaney Junior, that what the name is his real name,
773
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:48.360
it was Cradon, but because they were trying to make
774
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:54.079
him into the next Lawn Cheney, he felt so pressure
775
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:55.559
that he actually.
776
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:56.920
Uh was just.
777
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.000
He's just like kind of crack so to speak.
778
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:03.760
He definitely cracked it one time, you know, try to
779
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:07.280
commit suicide that they on that blu Ray thing and
780
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.039
that that he blamed it on the Wolfman, which is
781
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:11.599
really sad, but.
782
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.360
Well, that actually kind of brings me up to something
783
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.039
that I didn't expect to talk about. But it's rather
784
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.639
kind of poignant. Almost everybody from these movies, with the
785
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.440
exception of Carloff, i'd say, had a real tragedy to them.
786
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:31.480
Yeah, he was the one that kind of made out
787
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:36.719
best for himself. I'm not sure where that is, but yeah,
788
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:40.039
we always heard stories that Lugosi they just didn't give him.
789
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:44.480
They would usually put him as a minor character a
790
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.199
lot of times as time went on, and they just
791
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:52.280
he didn't have as star power. Yeah, and I think
792
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:54.639
he even took a big cut and pay for Dracula
793
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:57.800
because just because he played him on stage a thousand times,
794
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.800
he wanted to be Dracula, and I think he took
795
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:06.119
a smaller pay than somebody else would. So I've heard
796
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:07.320
all different things like that.
797
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:13.039
Yeah, Like there was one story about Legosi kind of
798
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.320
going off that how he started getting he was type cast.
799
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:18.440
He loved it and you hate it at the same time,
800
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.119
and it was actually funny. So this kind of contradicts
801
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:24.840
something you said in one of your videos. But then again,
802
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:27.079
maybe you have more resources than me to answer this.
803
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.519
It was said that Legosi was offered the role of Frankensteign. Yeah,
804
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:34.800
he screen tested for it and the director hated it.
805
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:39.400
Then they offered it to him, and for years Legosi
806
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:43.360
would say he made karloff by turning down that role.
807
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:48.400
Yeah, there's two stories. Yeah, I've heard both that most
808
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:50.199
of my life. The one I was heard was that
809
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:54.639
Lugosi turned it down because with Dracula he was you know,
810
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.159
he would be able to show his face and his voice,
811
00:44:57.760 --> 00:44:59.880
and that was very different than what he wanted to.
812
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.280
He wanted to as he came to America wanting to
813
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:06.960
be like the hero character. He wanted to be the star,
814
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.119
and then Frankenstein was kind of getting away from what
815
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:12.639
he wanted to do. But I have also heard the
816
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.800
story about James Waal just didn't like it and he
817
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.360
wanted to use carlof Yeah.
818
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:23.880
Another one. Another guy who makes the Universal movies for
819
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:27.519
me because he played Fritz and he played Renfield is
820
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:32.119
Dwight Fry. Yeah, this is a guy. His performance in
821
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:36.039
those movies is unparalleled. Although my favorite is probably Renfield
822
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.719
because he has that he's got the crazy eyes.
823
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.320
He does very much so like sorry, sorry, go ahead,
824
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:45.239
I was gonna say the transition to see from him
825
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.360
in the beginning of that film to the Mold Man,
826
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:51.840
Oh hello, mister Dracula, Count Jactuly, here's your luggage tags.
827
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:55.519
And then once you see they open the door in
828
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:58.480
the boat and you just see the complete transformation. When
829
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:00.039
I was watching it the first time, I thought it
830
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.679
was a different character. I wasn't sure it was the
831
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:04.800
same actor when I first saw the movie. Uh huh,
832
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:08.000
because it's just such a different, drastic change, and he
833
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:09.119
plays it off so well too.
834
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.480
Well. What's interesting, actually, if you think about it, he's playing.
835
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:16.519
If it were sticking to the book, the guy in
836
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.239
the castle would have been Jonathan Harker. So he actually
837
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.280
is playing the Harker part and the Renfield part, but
838
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.559
they made it both Renfield for whatever reason, and then
839
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:28.840
they made Jonathan Harker a separate character.
840
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:34.400
But one of the things that happened to Dwight Fry
841
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.599
is it turns out this guy, huge family man, really
842
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:41.960
really really, pretty much by all accounts of a really
843
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:45.559
nice and upstanding guy, dine on a bus of a
844
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.440
heart attack in nineteen forty three, I think it was
845
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:52.840
or forty one, and he and obviously he never lived
846
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.639
to see what his legacy would become, for though respected
847
00:46:55.760 --> 00:47:00.559
in his day, another one that would happen was Clive
848
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:08.599
or Owen. Yeah, Colin Clive, that's not Clive Owen. I
849
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:13.119
always get that confused. He allegedly was this huge drunk
850
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:17.239
on set and the scenes where it's over the shoulder,
851
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:21.159
there's somebody holding him up, which is really terrible because
852
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:23.920
he's another one of these guys who has this presence.
853
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:26.480
He walks into a room, you listen to him, and
854
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:28.719
I think it was his performance that I think gave
855
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:33.320
me a lot of insight into Frankenstein. And what what
856
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:36.159
the Frankenstein Doctor means to me is the fact that
857
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.599
he wants to do good for the good of mankind,
858
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.280
but he flew too close to the sun.
859
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:43.480
And there's his ego to kind of thing.
860
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.920
Yeah, like he's going to change the world, but it
861
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:48.400
will be him, it will.
862
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:49.639
Be Yeah, he becomes God.
863
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:50.119
It's me.
864
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:53.880
God created man in his image. Frankenstein creates his monster
865
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:54.679
in his image.
866
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:59.400
And while and for all intents and purposes, life after
867
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:02.920
death or reanimating dead flesh, that's a good thing that
868
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:06.199
can save lives. That means no longer do we have
869
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:09.280
to fear mortality. But yeah, obviously he drives some nuts
870
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:15.760
and it's really sad to see the actor of caln
871
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:22.159
Clive decline and eventually die of complications from tuberculosis in
872
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.159
his later years, because I would love to have see
873
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:27.440
what this man could have accomplished later on, because the
874
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:31.639
roles that he played were really, really good. I'm trying
875
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:33.960
to think of other people that had a tragedy with
876
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.199
this too. I know Bella Legosi as he got more
877
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:39.559
and more type cast. I know at one point he
878
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:42.440
went through three agents in three years because he just
879
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.599
couldn't find work, which is really unfortunate. When he died
880
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.760
in the fifties, I'm very glad that he got buried
881
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:54.119
in his cape one last performance, so to speak to
882
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:58.760
kind of take kind of with him. Although Carloff he
883
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.840
was quoted in documentary I found the thing that I
884
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.280
was talking about there. He talked to his daughter she
885
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.559
and he said he was very happy that he was typecast,
886
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:09.519
because that means he made the role his own, He
887
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:14.559
made his niche impact on film, and he was happy
888
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:16.679
for it, which I think is really really, really kind
889
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:18.960
of cool the fact because a lot of actors these
890
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:22.320
days who get type cast aren't necessarily happy with it.
891
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:24.480
I know Mark Hamill wasn't super happy with it for
892
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:27.239
a long time because they're like, oh, that's fucking Luke Skywalker.
893
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:30.119
And then when he broke out in the voice acting roles,
894
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.199
you know he was no longer Luke. He was the
895
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:36.559
joker and he could do these other roles, some of
896
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:40.119
them questionable, like the guy for live action movie.
897
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:40.920
Uh.
898
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:43.519
But one that's more awesome that no one knows about
899
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:46.880
is a John Carpenter proposed television series called body Bags
900
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:49.800
where he plays this ex baseball player who gets his
901
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:51.920
eyes stabbed out and he takes the eye of a
902
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.840
killer and tries to kill people. It's really cool. You
903
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.679
should check it out. It's from Shout Factory Scream Factory Collection.
904
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:03.320
But getting back to where we started, another I don't
905
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:05.440
know where should we go with the next movie monster,
906
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.320
because one I don't have any experience with is the Mummy.
907
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:11.519
I've only seen the remake and I hope to christ
908
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:13.320
it doesn't have a lot to do with the Brendan
909
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:13.920
Fraser thing.
910
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:16.880
Oh yeah, well, I just did The Mummy as Monster
911
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:21.760
Madness this year, so you could go to that for
912
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:28.480
my long answer, I guess. But yeah, so yeah, what
913
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:29.239
about the Mummy?
914
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:35.480
What makes what makes him scary the Mummy is is kind.
915
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:40.880
Of like the original Zombie. Really it's just but but
916
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.559
I like the idea of the of the zombie being
917
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:47.920
more decayed. So I've always thought if I were to
918
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:51.199
do a Mummy movie, it would be just bones under baniches.
919
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:56.159
But the Original Mummy takes a totally different way, which
920
00:50:56.199 --> 00:51:01.639
is really good. It's it's actually a lot like Dracula,
921
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:04.159
but it's it's like if you just took Dracula but
922
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:08.400
made it, you know, made him a Mummy instead. They
923
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:11.800
both come from a you know, like an exotic place
924
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:16.079
far away, and they have the same kind of love
925
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:20.039
interest going on, and they have that same kind of
926
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.679
hypnosis power. And you have the same actors playing the
927
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:26.960
parts too. You have Edward Van Sloan in there, and
928
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:32.639
you know what else about the Mummy, there's just too
929
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:34.599
much to talk about.
930
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:38.800
Yeah, it's one I really want to see because it's
931
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:42.679
got this wonderful reputation, and it's also one of those
932
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:44.880
movies where if you see a still out of it,
933
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:47.000
you know exactly.
934
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:47.440
What movie it is.
935
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:48.599
Oh yeah, yeah.
936
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:52.280
And it's like, because he's not the stereotypical mummy that's
937
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:56.960
wrapped up and banishes the whole movie. So it almost
938
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:01.039
like whenever you see the Universal Monsters all group together,
939
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:04.480
it's always the Wrapped Mummy usually, like if you know,
940
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:06.599
if they were the Yeah, because if there was Yummy
941
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:10.039
Mummy or you know, or a cartoon, it would never
942
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:10.519
be the.
943
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:14.280
You know, it would be the Bandages.
944
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:15.000
Yeah.
945
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:19.039
There's only one good update to that makeup that I
946
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:21.480
can think of, where they kind of keep the bones
947
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:25.440
and the bandages. Fred Decker's Monster Squad from eighty seven.
948
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:26.840
Oh yes, there you go.
949
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.280
Actually legitimately creepy at shit and how they kill him
950
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:36.400
is awesome with a bow and arrow. And that's a guy.
951
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:41.119
I wish that I continued in Hollywood because Monster Squad
952
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:45.079
and Night of the Creeps are amazing. Yeah, although Rubber
953
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.199
Coop three is.
954
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:48.760
Even better than those two combined.
955
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:51.039
Get off my show.
956
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:55.000
Now.
957
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.559
One that I want to talk about again is one
958
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:00.360
that I haven't seen, but I know you You have
959
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:03.920
Creature from the Black Lagoon. Now this was from a
960
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:06.880
later on time, right, like this was in the fifties,
961
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:07.559
I think.
962
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:14.119
Yeah, so this is actually like silver age horror. M Yeah,
963
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:16.800
like if if you were to put you know, do
964
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:19.880
it like the way comic books are. It's like the
965
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.400
Golden Age, I would say is the thirties and forties.
966
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.960
Anything before that is the Ancient age before they became
967
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:30.599
such a huge genre. And then the Silver Age is
968
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:33.360
the fifties and sixties, where a lot is going on,
969
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:38.199
where you have the sci fi alien Invader movies and
970
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:40.440
Creature from the Black Lagoon in there. But then you
971
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:44.519
also have Hammer, and you have Alfred Hitchcock and William Castle,
972
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:46.679
and then at the end of all that you have
973
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:50.679
George Romero and then that takes it into the Bronze Age,
974
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:54.679
where you know, it goes on and on. But and
975
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:57.039
then of course the Modern Age would be later. But
976
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.119
you know, not to get into the whole thing. What
977
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:01.760
was I trying to answer, I don't even remember.
978
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:05.800
Well, we're talking about the Creature from the.
979
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.320
Yeah, you're just asking, yeah when it was from? Yeah,
980
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:11.880
it's from nineteen fifty four. And that one had two
981
00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:16.000
sequels also, which aren't as good, but they're still worth
982
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:19.039
seeing that they get worse as they go on. The
983
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.800
Creature Walks among Us is is kind of forgettable, but
984
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.800
they did something new with it. They tried to give
985
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:29.199
the creature lungs, and he gets like a lung transplant.
986
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.800
And they make it to you know, where he can
987
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:35.880
breathe oxygen. It was actually kind of a good idea
988
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:36.760
what they were going for.
989
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:41.239
But uh, I'm just trying to process this.
990
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.239
I have to say I rather enjoyed that one. Sorry,
991
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:47.000
not the Lung one, I haven't seen that, But the
992
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.000
Creature from the Black Lagoon. I think of all those films,
993
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.199
it is the latest one. Isn't it considered in the
994
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:56.920
universal block of like? Yes, that said, I think it
995
00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:57.800
was the latest one.
996
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.719
Yeah, I did a I did a video about that
997
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:03.360
one time where I was trying to figure out what
998
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:08.320
is legitimately the last universal monster. I think I went
999
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:12.840
all the way to Jaws. But but yeah, I mean
1000
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:17.079
the creature is the last of the classic universal monsters
1001
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:18.960
that that usually ends up in that group.
1002
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.719
I think it also you can see such a huge difference,
1003
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:27.000
especially in the film itself. Can go back to look
1004
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:29.559
at Dracula and then look at this film. You see
1005
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:33.280
how film has progressed in those twenty years. And I
1006
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:35.719
think if anyone is going to really try to delve
1007
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:39.280
jump right into the universe versus monster stuff, and isn't
1008
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:41.840
I guess isn't too.
1009
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:43.559
Shit.
1010
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:45.039
I don't know what the word I'm thinking of is.
1011
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.760
But this one, I guess is closer to modern cinema,
1012
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:50.280
like modern films kind of thing with soundtrack and stuff
1013
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.239
like that and the effects that it might be easier
1014
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:55.079
for you to jump into it comparatively, say, than jumping
1015
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:56.000
right into Dracula.
1016
00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:59.599
Yeah, it's basically Jaws is a remake creature from the
1017
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:02.239
Black basically much bigger budget.
1018
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:06.039
Yeah, ark, but yeah, and they had a bigger boat,
1019
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:07.760
I think. Yeah.
1020
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:13.079
Now I'm looking on Wikipedia for some of the things
1021
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:17.039
that are considered universal monsters. Some of these I don't
1022
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:19.960
know whether I necessarily agree with. As we're starting to
1023
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:23.679
kind of wind down, uh the like hour here, and
1024
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:26.119
I guess we're going to talk about how these things
1025
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:29.519
have kind of influenced later on films and their kind
1026
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:33.440
of legacy. According to Wikipedia, the universal Monsters legacy the
1027
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:39.400
later years included Woman Psycho.
1028
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:41.239
Yeah.
1029
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:45.000
If you do like the Leech Woman, then there's really
1030
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:48.599
a lot more that you like. It's sort of like
1031
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.320
you have the Major League monsters, and then if you
1032
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:55.159
go under that, there's the teams like the Captive Jungle
1033
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:59.119
Woman like that. That's the series that was like three
1034
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:01.800
movies that was like a series, but it sucks and
1035
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:06.639
nobody remembers it. So and then the creeper, you know, Rondo.
1036
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:11.079
Hadden't one of them that gets mentioned. And I didn't
1037
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:13.760
think Universal did this one. So here you get to
1038
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:17.719
call me ignorant again. Is evidently the thing is considered
1039
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:18.679
a Universal monster.
1040
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:22.599
Wait a minute, the thing that was our ko Oh well.
1041
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:24.719
No, I'm talking about the nineteen eighty two one.
1042
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:29.400
Oh yeah, they consider that, Well fucking's the thing?
1043
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:33.159
If Universal remakes it like they remade King Kong, would
1044
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:35.239
that make King Kong a Universal monster?
1045
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:41.360
According to Wikipedia and their remakes thing, he's not officially considered,
1046
00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:44.519
but he's often mistaken to be part of that group.
1047
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.280
But now they just consider him part of the Universal legacy,
1048
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:47.920
so to speak.
1049
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:50.280
Yeah, Psycho, is it?
1050
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:50.519
Is?
1051
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:55.079
It sort of ify territory because because Paramount made that film,
1052
00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:58.960
but it was shot on Universal back lot, and Universal
1053
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:02.920
also owned all the rights to it, like they you know,
1054
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.400
if you get the DVD to Psycho, it's it's from
1055
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.880
Universal and it's a big part of their back lot tours.
1056
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:12.760
So of course it seems like Norman Bates would be
1057
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:17.199
a Universal monster, a psychological monster, but you know, a
1058
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:18.599
human monster. I guess I'm trying to.
1059
00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:21.320
Say now, they do have some other questionable entries, and
1060
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:23.119
I'd love for us to just kind of riff on
1061
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:27.639
this for just a file minutes dark sand what Liam
1062
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.000
Neeson is considering a monster by Wikipedia?
1063
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.840
Okay, all right, well, yeah, we do have to mention
1064
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:36.920
the Invisible Man, of course, because that's one of the
1065
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:37.599
main ones.
1066
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:41.000
That's one that I haven't seen once again on my
1067
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:42.920
list to watch tonight before Halloween.
1068
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:47.239
Okay, yeah, go for it. It's a nineteen thirty three
1069
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:50.920
and it's the effects they did in nineteen thirty three
1070
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:51.760
are amazing.
1071
00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:54.400
Yeah, no, it gets to make an invisible person. I
1072
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:56.719
was like, how are you doing this without your green
1073
00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:58.320
screens in the thirties.
1074
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:01.679
Yeah, it was really complicated, and that was the same
1075
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:04.800
year as King Kong. I think nineteen thirty three was
1076
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:09.960
just a very very prolific year in effects. But sure
1077
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:13.360
the voice though, Claude Raines has such a good voice
1078
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:16.320
in that, and then then you have Vincent Price in
1079
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:19.559
the sequel, So it's all those Invisible Man movies are
1080
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:23.079
pretty good. And then there's been all those spin offs
1081
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:28.800
like Invisible Agent and Invisible Agent sort of reminds me
1082
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:31.519
of Indiana Jones a little bit because it takes place
1083
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:37.400
when like Hitler is trying to get a hold of something.
1084
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:41.360
In visa Hitler, what's up in visa Nazis?
1085
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:46.400
In visa Hitler He's trying to use because it actually
1086
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:49.599
takes the idea of what would happen if there really
1087
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:53.239
existed invisibility and and what if it got into the
1088
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:57.480
wrong hands, and you know, World War two is going on, and.
1089
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:02.199
Basically, yeah, you nailed that. The Nazis are trying to
1090
01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:04.559
get a hold of the power of invisibility.
1091
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.719
I'm just I think comedic aspects for my own sick
1092
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:10.559
twisted humor.
1093
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:16.400
I'm not gonna lie if I had invisibility abilities. Who
1094
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:17.880
the hell am I kidding? I'm not gonna get off.
1095
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:21.880
It's like it hasn't even been explored as much as
1096
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:25.159
it could, which is why I've been waiting for another
1097
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:26.960
Invisible Man movie.
1098
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:29.400
Let's make it happen, James, Yeah.
1099
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:31.800
Well we did have Hollow Man. We can bring back
1100
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:38.280
Kevin Bacon, another considered a universal monster. And I can
1101
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.360
kind of see this because it's very kind of has
1102
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:46.280
its roots in the fifties. Would be tremors I could
1103
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:52.000
see that just because they're that kind of nuclear offspring,
1104
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:53.800
like what the hell causes I mean, they're in the
1105
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:55.639
middle of the deserts or you could or you could
1106
01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:58.320
say maybe it's more of a love crafty and approach
1107
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:03.559
with the CATHONI or something like that. Another later universal
1108
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:08.159
monster would be Chucky, ah, which not a bad addition,
1109
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:10.079
but obviously that's more than edition.
1110
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:12.719
I didn't even why did I not know Chucky was universal?
1111
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:18.280
Yeah, they say Bride of Chucky specifically. Let's see, I
1112
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:19.880
want to see who originally.
1113
01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:23.559
Did this, Yeah, because I always counted whoever originally, because
1114
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:26.960
I mean they've done Doctor Jekyl and mister Hyde before.
1115
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:32.000
But the one that's the most classic wasn't universal. Which
1116
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:36.760
there's several versions of Jeckelin Hyde. Actually, I mean there's
1117
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:39.679
ones that go back to where they don't even exist anymore.
1118
01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:43.639
But then there's see there's like the twenties version with Barrymore.
1119
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:44.480
Then you have the.
1120
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:49.199
The nineteen thirty one I guess it was late thirty
1121
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:51.320
one or early thirty two. I think it was late
1122
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.400
thirty one with Frederick marsh That one is the best.
1123
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:57.039
Then you have the one with Spencer Tracy and I'm
1124
01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:01.360
going to say nineteen forty or forty one, and but
1125
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:03.880
then universal I think the first time they probably did
1126
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:07.840
it was aDNA Costello meet Doctor Jekyl and mister Hyde
1127
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:11.599
with Carloff. So it's always a matter of who does
1128
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:13.800
it first. And that's actually one thing a lot of
1129
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:17.159
people mentioned that is the t Rex from Jurassic Park
1130
01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:22.880
a universal monster. And I always felt they didn't invent
1131
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.679
the idea of a killer t Rex. No, you know,
1132
01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:30.119
go back to Valley Iguangee or the Trust World.
1133
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:33.960
Yeah, so it's doesn't King Kong have i'n't seen the original?
1134
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:36.440
Isn't there the t Rex in that? Yeah?
1135
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:42.920
Yeah, exactly. So I always count what they do first.
1136
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:48.960
I mean, actually that that's kind of contradicting too, because
1137
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:51.159
it's not like they did the first Dracula or the
1138
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:53.719
first Frankenstein. But who made it.
1139
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:56.360
They did the most iconic and well known.
1140
01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:02.039
Yeah, now to update this the Chucky situation, turns out
1141
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:05.519
it was MGM. The reason it's considered a universal monster
1142
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:10.000
because they picked up Bride of Chucky, which I guess
1143
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:14.440
the universal monsters would be Chucky and what's the name
1144
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:17.920
of the Tiffany and I guess to a lesser extent
1145
01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:22.519
the Daughter Boy thing, Glenn. I don't know. Those movies
1146
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:23.760
got stupid after three.
1147
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:27.199
I've never once seen one of those films because I
1148
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:28.960
didn't want to look at my toys in a different light.
1149
01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:31.800
I used to think Chucky was coming to kill me
1150
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:33.199
when I was a kid. I swear to God, I
1151
01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:34.800
saw him standing in my doorway when I was like
1152
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:39.480
nine years old. You saw Chucky, I swear to God it.
1153
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:42.239
And here's the thing that made it even more scary.
1154
01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:46.719
It was during Christmas, so I thought he was going
1155
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:50.800
to kill Oh my god, I still I could see
1156
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:54.199
that image in my head and almost hear Brad Dwarf's voice.
1157
01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:58.719
So looking at the Universal Movies Legacy now, there have
1158
01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:02.079
been some remakes in the last couple of years. There
1159
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:04.440
was a remake then that there was a Wolfman with
1160
01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:07.480
Belnicio del Toro, and I've not seen that. I hear
1161
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:10.280
it sucks. James, have you seen it?
1162
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:15.480
Yeah, I did a video on that actually when it
1163
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:18.960
came out. It was one of those first impression things.
1164
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:21.599
I haven't seen it again since. But it's it's it's
1165
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:24.880
not horrible, it's it's just good.
1166
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:26.280
It's just competit.
1167
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:29.199
Maybe I would. It's competent, but I wouldn't say go
1168
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:30.239
out of your way to see it.
1169
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.880
Another one that was remade in nineteen seventy nine was
1170
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:37.320
Frank Langella and Lawrence Olivier's Dracula.
1171
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:40.000
Yeah. Now there's a lot of Draculas.
1172
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:44.519
I think he's one of the most used literary characters
1173
01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:46.039
of all time or something like that.
1174
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:46.920
Uh.
1175
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:51.440
The Mummy and The Mummy Returns are considered remakes.
1176
01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:55.239
I don't no the Mummy technically, if you watch the
1177
01:04:55.280 --> 01:05:00.519
original Mummy. Basically the plaud is very similar with remotep.
1178
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:03.880
Except sorry, except with like Brendan Fraser and the guy
1179
01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:05.039
from Resident Evil.
1180
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:07.400
Pretty much, but the whole story is almost the same.
1181
01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:10.119
Emo Tep has risen. He wants to get the scroll
1182
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:12.519
to get the nooks and a moon rar back, and
1183
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:14.480
it's very similar if you watch both of them. That's
1184
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:17.199
why it's actually yeah, just why I rented on me.
1185
01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:20.360
Yeah all right, as a kid, they're very similar, except
1186
01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:23.320
without action and there's no Dwayne the Rock Johnson in
1187
01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:23.880
the sequel.
1188
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.880
That's what the original moment you needed was the rule
1189
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:33.400
of the Scorpion King. We also have another one, I
1190
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:36.639
guess it's not really a remake, but considered in that universe.
1191
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:39.880
Ish it was Van Helsing with Hugh Jackman.
1192
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:42.519
Yeah, you know what, I've always been holding out for
1193
01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:46.800
another really good monster mash and I guess Van Helsing was.
1194
01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:51.480
The latest Van Helsing. I say anes that I enjoyed
1195
01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:51.920
that film.
1196
01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:57.480
Oh yeah, like the two thousands version of Monster Squad,
1197
01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:00.679
and and Monster Squad was, of course the new version
1198
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:05.320
of the forties Monster Matters. That's where that all started, really,
1199
01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:09.159
because you know, you go back to movies like Frankenstein
1200
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:11.159
Meets the wolf Man, and it was such a new
1201
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:14.639
idea to take two monsters and put them together, because
1202
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:18.079
how would it ever work, Like, if you think about it,
1203
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:23.159
those monsters would never exist together or at all really,
1204
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:27.679
but they they did a really good job finding a
1205
01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:31.039
way to get them together, even though there are are
1206
01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:35.719
a lot of flaws with those movies. House of Frankenstein's
1207
01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:39.239
always been one of my favorites, even though it does
1208
01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:43.159
such a poor job at getting the monsters together because
1209
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:45.199
they're not even on the screen at the same time.
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01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:48.639
It sort of deals with Dracula. Then then the rest
1211
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:50.679
of the movies about the wolf Man, and then in
1212
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:55.039
the very last minutes it gets into Frankenstein. But but
1213
01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:57.960
the characters that thread it all together are so good,
1214
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:04.440
like Launchain is so good in that and Boris karl
1215
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:08.199
Off as doctor Niemon, uh, sort of the monster wrangler.
1216
01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:12.239
He's really the one that gets it all going. Uh.
1217
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:17.599
But then, uh, then they started doing it more often
1218
01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:22.840
with you know movies like Monster Squad, and uh they
1219
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:26.840
there actually was an attempt. I've always wanted to see
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01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:31.079
this done. I've wanted to see just a newer version
1221
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:39.480
of Hang on one second, that's all right, Yeah, let
1222
01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:44.039
me just get my thoughts together. Uh there there. I've
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01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:47.280
always wanted to see a modern version of the monster match,
1224
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:50.239
like seeing I think, what's up?
1225
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:53.199
I think that'd be Now would be a great time
1226
01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:55.079
to do it too. I think with the advent of
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01:07:55.119 --> 01:07:57.559
film we're in, I feel almost with every single big
1228
01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:01.159
advancement in film, they've been doing these monster mashups, and
1229
01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:03.000
I feel now is probably a good time again.
1230
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:06.760
Yeah, I've always wanted to see one in the classic style,
1231
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:11.840
like seeing one in black and white, and it was attempted. Actually,
1232
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:15.639
there was a movie called House of the Wolfman, which
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01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:19.880
would have came after House of Frankenstein House of Dracula,
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01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:22.800
and I really get the sense that the people who
1235
01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:24.920
made it, like their hearts were really in it and
1236
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:29.439
they wanted to do They just you know, wanted to
1237
01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:31.439
show their love for those movies, and it was just
1238
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:33.319
kind of like a love letter to the fans. But
1239
01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:36.439
the one thing that went wrong with it really was
1240
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:39.840
that it's a seventy five minute film, which is what
1241
01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:43.399
they would have been back then. The monsters don't show
1242
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:48.279
up until the last fifteen minutes, and that's that's the Wolfman.
1243
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.279
I don't even think Dracula and the Frankenstein Monster, they
1244
01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:53.760
don't even show up till like the last five minutes
1245
01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:54.199
of the movie.
1246
01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:57.640
That's terrible, especially imagine going to see those films and
1247
01:08:57.720 --> 01:08:59.760
being like, oh so stoked.
1248
01:08:59.479 --> 01:08:59.800
To see them.
1249
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:00.800
Yeah.
1250
01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:03.760
Now now when they do show up, they look awesome,
1251
01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:06.119
that the makeup is great, and and I love all
1252
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:09.920
the thought that went into it. That they have Ron Cheney,
1253
01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:13.039
by the way, his grandson as the Wolfman. But uh,
1254
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:16.640
the like the Frankenstein Monster is all beat up and
1255
01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:18.680
that looks like what would happen to him if he's
1256
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:23.600
been through all those other movies. But I think what
1257
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:27.479
they should have done was either not market it as
1258
01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:30.640
a monster mash movie, like just let the monsters be
1259
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:35.520
a surprise at the end, or only release it as
1260
01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:40.119
a short film with the monster part and have that
1261
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:42.159
just be like it would be a big hit at
1262
01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:46.000
film festivals and monster consm So it's like you watch
1263
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:47.640
the movie and like I'm sitting there and I'm like,
1264
01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:49.119
where where's the monsters?
1265
01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:52.880
You know, I came for my Dracula, my Frankenstein Monster,
1266
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:54.640
Like what do you give me here? Yeah?
1267
01:09:54.840 --> 01:10:00.000
And yeah, right, But the way they show up, especially
1268
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:03.600
actually Dracula and the Frankenstein Monster, they just show up
1269
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:04.760
and it's random.
1270
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:07.000
They're in the neighborhood.
1271
01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:09.800
Yeah, Like it's like literally they just turn around, Dracula
1272
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:13.960
standing in a doorway. It's just like what And then
1273
01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.920
it ends also really abruptly. But I do have to
1274
01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:20.079
say that that those few minutes when the monsters are
1275
01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:25.479
fighting and everything is great, and that like you can
1276
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.439
you can tell how much better job they did than
1277
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:30.880
the actual Frankenstein meets the wolf Man.
1278
01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:31.720
Yeah.
1279
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:36.039
Now let me ask you this this, guys, do you
1280
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:38.359
think they could pull this off today and actually have
1281
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:39.600
a competent.
1282
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:42.079
I think so, like another monster mash.
1283
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:45.199
Yeah, like a true like I'm not talking Freddy versus Jason,
1284
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:47.760
where it's m where it's up to you to decide
1285
01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:50.680
who really won that one. Do you think they they
1286
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:53.359
could pull off a classic Universal monster mash and would
1287
01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:54.600
it be a box office success?
1288
01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:57.399
I think they can because right now is a big
1289
01:10:57.479 --> 01:11:01.960
era of throwbacks. Look at Pacific, you have the artists,
1290
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:05.239
it's a big throwback to an older style of film,
1291
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:07.520
to older films people grew up with. And I feel
1292
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:09.640
they really could now that seems to be a very
1293
01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:11.640
popular thing to do, and I think that they could
1294
01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:14.640
do it in such a way that you'd get film
1295
01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:17.560
people and you get a new generation of people who
1296
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:20.760
all know about these characters but have nothing really in
1297
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:25.039
their mindset and their idea of pop culture. So I
1298
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:26.800
think it would be a hit just because of how
1299
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:27.560
iconic they are.
1300
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:31.560
Yeah, And it's one of those things where you don't
1301
01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:34.399
need to build a lot of backstory. Everybody knows these things,
1302
01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:39.640
and that's something the Universal movie Monsters have done better
1303
01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:44.079
than anything else, at least from that time period. They
1304
01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:47.279
are a part of our culture. They literally are cultural
1305
01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:51.800
icons in the regard that it's me and Dave talk
1306
01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:55.640
about this during our Frankenstein commentary. We mentioned the fact
1307
01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:59.800
that when we saw a picture of Dracula, even before
1308
01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.680
we knew what it was, we were scared of it.
1309
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:05.720
We knew that was dracketed. We didn't even have to
1310
01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:06.119
know that.
1311
01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:08.199
It's the sinister look in his eyes.
1312
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:13.319
Well, it's almost like we're tapping into this universal unconsciousness.
1313
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:14.840
Of fear that's hive mind.
1314
01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:20.000
But it's just, I don't know. I find that really
1315
01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:22.279
cool that this is a legacy that will live on
1316
01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:26.359
as long as we're around. I think we're always gonna
1317
01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:29.640
know Frankenstein's, MAM's were always gonna know Dracula, We're always
1318
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:31.680
gonna know the wolf Man, Invisible Man, et cetera, et cetera,
1319
01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:34.600
et cetera. And I think that's just really, really really neat.
1320
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:36.720
So I guess it was my final question to my
1321
01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:42.000
esteem panel of guests esteemed, well, we fancy if you
1322
01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:44.920
could remake any of these movies, which one would it
1323
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:47.199
be and why? And I'll go first to give you
1324
01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:50.399
an idea. Okay, also think of your dream casting as well.
1325
01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:55.520
I would like to remake Frankenstein. I would like to
1326
01:12:55.640 --> 01:13:01.439
cast as my primary doctor Frankenstein Michael Fastbender, because I
1327
01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:05.079
think I would do the role tremendous justice. There's a
1328
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:06.920
package at my door, but I'm going to ignore that.
1329
01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:11.760
And I think as the monster, I would have it
1330
01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:16.720
be practical effects, and I want someone who really gives
1331
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:20.520
a really good physical performance. And I'd almost give it
1332
01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:25.079
to one of the former Jason's actually, and I'll probably
1333
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:29.800
get crucified for this one, but I would say Ken Kursinger,
1334
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:33.000
who played Jason and Freddy versus Jason.
1335
01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:35.920
Oh my god, why would you pick him? I don't know.
1336
01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:36.239
I'm just.
1337
01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:42.840
The reason I would. I would pick him physicality and
1338
01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:46.119
how you get more out of him. Kin Hodder played
1339
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:51.000
a wonderful Jason, but it's more brutality with I feel
1340
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:54.039
with Ken Kurzinger you get a little bit more emotion
1341
01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:57.640
with the brutality. So I think if you gave him
1342
01:13:57.640 --> 01:13:59.840
a frankensigned role where he's more of the innocence of it,
1343
01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:02.560
but he has the brute strength of well a brute,
1344
01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:06.359
I think it might be remarkable. My dream director for
1345
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:10.279
this might be Darren Aaronofsky for this one.
1346
01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:14.319
So let's go to you, Scotty, Oh my god, please
1347
01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:15.760
don't go to me. I'm still trying to think.
1348
01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:18.960
I haven't all right there, James, what about you?
1349
01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:22.439
Oh, I guess I had to pick one because I'm
1350
01:14:22.439 --> 01:14:25.199
going with the monster mash theme. I would pick House
1351
01:14:25.239 --> 01:14:29.479
of Frankenstein, and I think the first thing I would
1352
01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:33.439
do is get more monsters in it and have them
1353
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:35.840
all interact a little bit more with each other too,
1354
01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:41.760
because you have Doctor Niemon who is basically double crossing
1355
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:44.520
everybody in the movie, and he's giving all these promises
1356
01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:47.600
to all these monsters, like Dracula, I'll always make sure
1357
01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:50.359
that I have your coffin ready, and and you know,
1358
01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:53.319
you always have fresh blood and everything. But then he
1359
01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:55.600
uses Dracula for as long as he needs him and
1360
01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:58.439
then gets rid of him. I always felt he would
1361
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:01.119
be doing the same thing with the Mummy and just
1362
01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:05.399
like pull off his bandages at the most inconvenient time.
1363
01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:10.600
I think there'd be a lot of comedic potential in it.
1364
01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:16.840
As far as casting, I haven't really thought about it yet.
1365
01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:19.439
There's there's just a lot of a lot of characters
1366
01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:21.199
to cast, So.
1367
01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:25.039
Just find a way to put Chris Rock in there.
1368
01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:31.079
What Chris Rock, Let's see, he could be Blacula. Blacula,
1369
01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:31.960
all right.
1370
01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:35.199
Actually, James, you would know the answer to this question
1371
01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:40.000
more so than any I could possibly ask. Now, there
1372
01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:43.880
was Blacula, which was a blaxploitation for film. Was there
1373
01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:46.439
ever a like Blackenstein?
1374
01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:52.319
Yes? There was, if I'm correct, there was also Doctor
1375
01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:57.800
Black and mister Hyde. By god, I mean, they made
1376
01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:00.199
every kind of movie they could in the seventies was
1377
01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:01.840
just Blackie.
1378
01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:05.159
How would you do a black invisible man?
1379
01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:10.840
Now that's interesting. I don't know, I could be done.
1380
01:16:11.399 --> 01:16:13.119
I'm actually surprised it hasn't.
1381
01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:17.600
Okay, So okay, here's your YouTube challenge, make us a
1382
01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:22.199
non racially offensive Well then you can't do it. Oh
1383
01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:23.640
my god, that's so racist.
1384
01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:24.359
Just kidding.
1385
01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:28.239
Moving on the black invisible man, if you can make
1386
01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:29.279
this happen, let us know.
1387
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:31.560
The thing is, those movies kind of will pull on
1388
01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:33.359
those like stereotypes.
1389
01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:36.920
I mean, he wouldn't really be black technically if he's invisible,
1390
01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:40.279
because if you're invisible, you're you're whiter than white. You're
1391
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:42.000
just yeah, you're clear.
1392
01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:44.760
So if you a black man with a white man problem,
1393
01:16:46.319 --> 01:16:47.520
I don't know.
1394
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:51.800
I don't you're going to hell for this conversation. I'm
1395
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:55.680
already in hell, all right, Scotty. What about you? What's
1396
01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:58.159
the Monzimer? You would remake? Dreamcasting?
1397
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:01.439
Oh my gosh, I'm not good at this, I know.
1398
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:04.520
I I I want to do it Dracula because I
1399
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:06.760
love that character so much, but it's been done so
1400
01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:07.439
many times.
1401
01:17:08.399 --> 01:17:11.520
But I just thought there's new ways you can do it.
1402
01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:15.000
I think, yeah, there are, for sure. I just I
1403
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:17.840
like the plot they had, like the story in the original,
1404
01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:20.039
and like, I'm just trying to think of who I'd
1405
01:17:20.079 --> 01:17:22.439
have as a Dracula who can kind of captivate somebody
1406
01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:25.880
with a me mesmerizing feel when you see them on
1407
01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:28.479
on on film.
1408
01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:29.119
Yeah.
1409
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:33.199
See, that's the hardest part because right when you said
1410
01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:35.560
a remake, that was always what I would hit in
1411
01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:37.840
my head. But just trying to find someone who could
1412
01:17:37.880 --> 01:17:41.079
do it now almost as similar like to bell.
1413
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:44.399
Legosia, you know, Christopher get him back.
1414
01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:46.159
Yeah, we saw him in the Hobb and he had
1415
01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:50.239
to sit down for all his acting roles. Oh my gosh,
1416
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:52.119
Oh holy shit.
1417
01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:55.159
Sorry to break the mood here. I just got this
1418
01:17:55.319 --> 01:18:00.520
awesome package from Ubisoft. Okay, I have this giantus Aisen's
1419
01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:01.439
Creed Press.
1420
01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:01.680
Kind.
1421
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:03.319
I don't what the hell am I gonna put this
1422
01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:07.840
in my hand. My wife just what the hell? Okay, awesome,
1423
01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:10.960
now she's handing me food anyway, moving on, Sorry, guys,
1424
01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:12.000
that was very distracting.
1425
01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:14.560
I almost think you Go Weaving could pull off.
1426
01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:20.079
That instead of Dracula, should just be the Castle Vania movie.
1427
01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:25.079
That'd be awesome actually as Dracula, but have it be
1428
01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:27.680
like kind of like the beginning of Symphony in the
1429
01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:28.560
Night or something.
1430
01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:30.840
With al card and he's coming like, oh, I'll defeat you.
1431
01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:34.119
Yeah, and he gets he gets killed, like in the beginning.
1432
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:37.199
The Christopher Lee Dracula is the first ball.
1433
01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:42.199
Christopher start no better way, and then he kills Dracula
1434
01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:45.239
and then the title screen comes up and says Castle
1435
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:50.159
fucking Vania. The rest of the movie, you know. I
1436
01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:52.199
think then the rest of it would be all about
1437
01:18:52.399 --> 01:18:56.119
putting Dracula back together, like in Castlevania two. So it
1438
01:18:56.199 --> 01:18:59.079
would be Christopher Lee as like a ghost, and it
1439
01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:01.840
would just be his because then you just all you
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need him for is just to digitize his face, and
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then that would be a way to get him in
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the rest of the movie because because obviously you're not
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going to get Christopher Lead perform as practical there's that cards.
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Oh boy. Actually, supposedly they are still making the Castlevania
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movie at last I heard. I don't think Uber Bowl
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was attacked, so thank Christ for I want to say
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it was Len Wiseman, but I'm not even sure about that.
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And he was the guy who did die Hard or sorry,
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he's the guy who did Live Free or die Hard,
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but I'm not sure about that one. So consider that
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one up in the air. So, guys, we pretty much
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reached the end of this conversation. We had a lot
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of really good talks on this, and I'm really happy
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to see that these movies can still be appreciated today.
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Oh yeah, and it's not necessarily. They don't have like
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the best special effects. They don't even have the best
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acting in them sometimes. But the fact that these films
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can suck you in with atmosphere, with certain performances and
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even the questions that they raise, you know, philosophically, I
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think that's really, really, really cool, and I'm glad these
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movies are gonna be with us pretty much the rest
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of the civilization anyway. Yeah, so, I guess James, this
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will be final question to you. If you could recommend
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three of these movies people must see before next week's Halloween.
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Which which three are they?
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Huh? I would? I mean, I want to pick one
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of the Wolfman's, but you know what, like like if
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I were to just pick three, I think a great
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trilogy to watch is Frankenstein, Brida Frankenstein, and Son of Frankenstein.
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Have you guys got to Son of Frankenstein yet?
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Not yet?
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Yeah?
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When you get to that one, it's my favorite that
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grew on me over the years. But don't go into
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it expecting much of the monster. It really isn't the
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Monsters movie. It's more about the actual Son of Frankenstein played.
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I was hoping there'd be a scene where Frankenstein and
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Son of Frankas have been playing baseball in the front
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01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:19.800
yard and like pies ready it be like the Monsters. Yeah?
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01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.800
Yeah, Because that's another thing is that Colin Clive, isn't it.
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So when you get to the third one, you're like, okay,
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01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:29.600
well there's there's no more Mary Shelley material. You don't
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have Colin Clive. Karloff is in there again, but he's
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01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:37.760
mute again. And but Lugosi steals the whole movie as
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01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:42.039
Igor and it's longer than the other movies too. It
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feels like a much more fuller, sophisticated movie. It's basically
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01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:50.640
just a battle of wits between the son of Frankenstein
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01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:51.239
and Igor.
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01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:56.279
I'm gonna have to check this out before Halloween, for sure.
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01:21:56.600 --> 01:21:58.479
Those three of those are my three picks.
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01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:01.319
All right, then, I think for me, I've had to
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recommend three. I would definitely recommend obviously Dracula and Frankenstein,
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01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:09.920
and I would say The wolf Man. So the three
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01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:12.279
ones that I've seen and enjoyed the most so far, Scotty,
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01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:13.039
what about yourself?
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Uh?
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01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:15.640
The ones I think to get somebody into this, someone
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01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:18.479
who's a fan of say, I guess isn't really a
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01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:23.479
Cinophile to say, I'd probably throw a creature of the
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01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:25.479
Black Lagoon, just because it still has a lot of
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01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:29.840
similarities to more modern cinema. Not in regards of Dracula.
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01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:32.800
Wouild is my second choice to be Dracula because coming
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01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:36.760
off of the talkie, right into the talkies, it's so
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01:22:37.079 --> 01:22:39.720
awesome to see this that it's only four years into
1505
01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:42.079
this whole new thing of film, and just the way
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01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:45.279
you see great acting from Bella Lagosi just doing the
1507
01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:47.600
show and that, And then I'd say the Mummy just
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01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:49.960
because of its modern counterpart, which is the whole reason
1509
01:22:50.039 --> 01:22:53.079
I watched the original, and they share a lot of similarities,
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01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:56.039
so you wouldn't be so lost seeing that one either,
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01:22:56.760 --> 01:22:58.800
All right, wrong, you know what?
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01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:01.640
I do have to mention though, Frankston meets the wolf Man,
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01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:04.279
just because I just got to give like an honorable mention,
1514
01:23:04.479 --> 01:23:06.920
just because that was the first one that I saw,
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01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:12.119
and it opens with the best cemetery scene ever and
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01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:16.960
ends with one of the greatest monster fights ever. So
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01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:19.960
you just have I think that's a really entertaining one
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01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:22.840
that could hook somebody in, because it hooked me in.
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01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:28.319
My honorable mention might be Abbott and Costello me Frankenstein. Yeah,
1520
01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:31.680
so I guess Jams. Since this is going to be
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01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:36.279
airing today, October the twenty fourth, what's coming up on
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01:23:36.399 --> 01:23:38.920
Cinemascar over the next week and leading up to Halloween.
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01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:42.119
Oh well, we have one more horror series to get
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01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:45.960
to and that's coming week at Bernie's. Weekend at Bernie.
1525
01:23:46.039 --> 01:23:48.439
Like I said last year, I was hoping for some
1526
01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:49.479
Weekend at Bernie's, but.
1527
01:23:49.560 --> 01:23:54.560
The twenty's a zombie and the second one, well, do
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01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:55.840
you know what, You're not too far off.
1529
01:23:55.880 --> 01:24:00.359
Then ooh, exciting stuff also coming up on the show
1530
01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:03.840
for this week in geek Well, we have a couple
1531
01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:06.520
of DVD commentaries coming up. I know people are gonna
1532
01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:09.960
give us hate mail for Dractled Frankenstein because it was
1533
01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:12.319
Day's first time my second time, so I know we
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01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:14.560
get a few things wrong, but you're coming more from
1535
01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:18.439
the conversation there. Same with Frankenstein. And then we watched
1536
01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:22.600
the Conjuring, the latest release from James Wan of The
1537
01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:25.560
Guy Who Did in Cities that's coming out on Halloween.
1538
01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:28.359
Plus you can find I think we should have the
1539
01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:32.680
conclusion of our role playing called Cuthulhu podcast over on
1540
01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:36.159
These Warriors Are Terrible dot com where I play a
1541
01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:39.600
veteran World War One soldier who has a itchy, triggy
1542
01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:43.279
trigger finger and is immenseally fucked up. And also more
1543
01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:46.319
episodes of the untitled Mike and Laura Project Last Exit
1544
01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:49.159
the Pony vill because season four is coming up, and
1545
01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:52.880
for the topic show for the month of November, and
1546
01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:56.399
we're gonna go back through fifty years of space and time.
1547
01:24:56.479 --> 01:24:59.840
We're looking at Doctor Who, the entirety of the franchise
1548
01:25:00.319 --> 01:25:03.680
leading up to we'll probably release the episode on the
1549
01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:06.560
day of the doctor. So save the date November twenty
1550
01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:11.199
third for that. I'm looking I'm looking forward to it. Nice. So, guys,
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01:25:11.479 --> 01:25:13.920
for this week in Geek and Sinemascre dot com, we
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have been.
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That's your cue?
1554
01:25:19.479 --> 01:25:20.319
Which one of us?
1555
01:25:20.720 --> 01:25:21.600
I'll go first?
1556
01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:34.760
Okay, it was me, Scott Bora Dash yeah the meah, okay.
1557
01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:41.800
That's James. All right, guys, and I've been Mike the
1558
01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:45.479
Birdman Dodd saying the creatures of the night. What beautiful
1559
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:46.359
music they make.
1560
01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:51.960
I wonder if you me make bubbles with my spitch
1561
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here you in fact, that's shout?
1562
01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:03.000
What the hell happened to?
1563
01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:07.199
George Lucas. Oh my god, there's snot on my face
1564
01:26:07.399 --> 01:26:09.560
and I'm your host, Mike the burdenands out. But I'm
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not a join, not a joint. Does that mean that
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01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:18.319
ten seconds? Let's do this. Let's do this right the
1567
01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:24.920
first time, you guys, you's in my mouth? Oh god,
1568
01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:28.720
oh what it tastes like my water? You selp. Let's
1569
01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:33.960
start this episode with shot. Okay, Okay, I'm good.
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Geico, Holy shit, Oh my gosh, freak die die die die,
1571
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holy crap.
1572
01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:48.479
Whoa, whoa, whoa my goo, whoa where did it go.
1573
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I am like a stupid monkey, as you can imagine.
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They they don't let us out much.
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1578
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:08.840
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