Rob McConnell Interviews - ZACK VAN EYCK - Skinwalker Ranch

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www dot XBN dot net. My
guest this hour is Zach van k and
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we're going to be talking about the
Skinwalker Ranch and one I'm going to bring
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Zach on right now. Zach,
thanks very much for contacting us and telling
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us about this this phenomena. Rob
Thanks very much. Yeah, no problems.
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It'll be twenty one years now next
month that I went out on the
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ranch and first broke the story,
and I just don't want people to forget
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about it. It's pretty amazing and
stuff is still going on. So what
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is your background and why did you
get involved in the investigation into this ranch.
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You know, I started as a
sportswriter in journalism at the age of
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fourteen, and then you know,
when I got married in my twenties,
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I went over to news and it
was fun. And I'd always been interested
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in UFOs, I mean, as
all Chariots of the Gods that came out,
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I think when I was like eight. I'm fifty four and now I
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was born in sixty two, raised
in Virginia, and you know, it
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was always interested in this sort of
stuff. But when I got into journalism
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and worked for The New Mexican in
Santa Fe, the daily newspaper there.
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I started there in nineteen ninety one
and was working as the assistant sports editor
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and then moved over to be an
enterprise reporter. And it was fun.
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I got to do stories about They
would give me like a whole month and
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I would do a series of stories
like hunger and starvation in northern New Mexico,
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which is really prevalent there, and
that really opened some eyes. And
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one thing that was going on at
that time was there were some mysterious caldimulations
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that nobody seemed to understand, and
we would have ranchers that would call the
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paper and say, look, you
know this is going on, and this
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stay won't help me. No one
will help me. What do I do?
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And so they gave me a month
to examine and explore calimulations in northern
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New Mexico in ninety three ninety four, and that's that was really my first
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official journalistic dive into all of this. I'd done a little bit previously,
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but that gave me the background.
And then I got a little bit better
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job, higher paying job at the
Salt Lake paper, the Deserret News,
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and I moved there in ninety four, and then it wasn't until ninety six,
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when Independence Day came out that I
finally convinced my editors to unleash me
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and let me write some stories about
local UFO sidings, etc. And I'd
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already had some experience with it because
they're in Utah, because when I first
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moved to the Desiret News in ninety
four, they put me on the town
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government beats, and so I was
covering all these little governments within Salt Lake
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County and so Mildred Beasley, who
was the coordinator for MUFFON for the state
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of Utah at the time. She's
since passed. She was in her eighties
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at the time, and so I
would go over and visit with Mildred between
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my assignments and just hear about all
this amazing stuff that was going on in
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Utah, including in the nineteen seventies. Nineteen seventy five, there was a
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book that came out called the Utah
UFO Display. It's still around, but
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I think there were only five thousand
copies originally. It's written by doctor Frank
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Salisbury from Utah State University, and
he passed away about a couple years ago,
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believe or last year, and he
was fantastic. I called Frank and
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got a lot of information from him. But just to give you a sum
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up, what I found out was
that in the seventies there were four hundred
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recorded sightings of UFOs, and seven
of those included beings inside or outside the
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craft. And this was in the
un a basin of eastern Utah roughly the
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late sixties until nineteen seventy five,
and out there there was a gentleman by
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the name of Junior who was the
Junior High science teacher in Roosevelt, Utah,
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which you can look on your map
where that is, and that's very
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close to where all this was happening, and so everyone would come to Junior
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because no one officially was keeping track. They wrote the book. I knew
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stuff had happened in the past,
so in ninety six I thought, well,
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let me see what's going on now. All right, stand by,
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Zach thanks very much for joining us
and tell us about this, uh,
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this Skinwalker ranch that you did a
beautiful job on setting up for us.
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Yeah. Absolutely, And let me
tell you real quick that that website,
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if you go to it, that
is our Indigogo campaign for a movie called
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The Shannandua Experiment, which we're shooting
this summer. And the movie after that,
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which we'd like to do with a
bigger budget, is the one that
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is about the Sherman Ranch and we
call it the Devil's Ranch and h yeah,
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we just want to get this one
down first. This first one,
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though, does include the menacing blue
orbs, which are part of the skin
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Walker ranch last see and we will
get into the orbs briefly, but let
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me just give you a set up
here. So I was working the Desert
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News and saw like State in nineteen
ninety six. It was an afternoon newspaper
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at the time. It's still around
that. It's big. They laid off
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a bunch of people and that's one
of the reasons why I'm in Hollywood right
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now and not working as a journalist
because journalism really changed about five ten years
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ago. So, as I mentioned
previously, I had covered caldamulations in northern
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New Mexico, and it's really frustrating
for all the cattle ranchers because a lot
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of them in northern New Mexico it's
a very small family operation. They have
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like ten to twelve cattle, and
so if they have a light in the
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sky at night and they wake up
the next morning and they have a cow
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that's mulated, you know, that's
that's four thousand dollars. Potentially maybe less
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than that market, but that's that's
like, you know, that's eight percent
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of your family's income, and if
you lose a second cow, you're pretty
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much shock for the year. So
it was a real concern and the government
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really wasn't doing anything about it.
There was a study in nineteen eighty former
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FBI agent was hired and he concluded
that all of the caldimulations in northern New
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Mexico in the nineteen seventies were done
by flies and insects and other predators.
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So it really didn't help people.
But by the time time we came along,
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ten years had passed. People were
talking about it, some more so
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by the time I moved to Salt
Lake, I was aware of that.
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Pretty much any state, if you
wanted to do some research, you could
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find out a lot of strange things
going on, and most newspapers did not
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cover. Now the Desert excuse me, the Desert News is a little bit
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different. Newspapers owned buy the Mormon
Church. I know when I moved to
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Salt Lake and the Mormon missionaries came
over. That was one of the things
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we talked about quite a bit,
was UFOs in life on other planets.
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I wanted to talk only about that. They wanted to talk about other things,
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so we didn't have much too to
talk about. But I found that
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my editors were really supportive of getting
out there and doing some stories. But
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we were waiting for the right moment. So in ninety six the movie Independence
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Day came out. They gave me
a couple of weeks to see what I
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could find. I already knew some
stuff that was going on. I talked
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to some people some very interesting things
just in those last couple of years.
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There was a gentleman who spoke to
me on the record. He was in
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his house and Immigration Canyon in Salt
Lake City late at night, very cold
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winter night, and he's something told
him to go outside. He went outside,
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he looked up. There was a
There was a UFOO craft he described
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disc shaped craft where he could see
through the portals. He could see people.
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He described them, I guess what
you would say, like Nordics,
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like like thin blonde humanoids. And
they spoke to him telepathically and said,
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hey, would you like to come
with us? And he essentially said,
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well, no, you know,
I got a family. I really can't
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go. And they said, okay, no problem, and they flew on
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by. So you know, but
there was like ten different stories like that.
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A woman named Lenus guns up in
Niola. I believe it was up
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in near Park City. I had
how to situation years before, and she
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spoke on the record about it where
she and her son saw a UFO land
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in the backyard. So I knew
a lot of stuff that happened, but
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I really wanted something for those series
of articles that had happened like within the
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last year or so, and so
I talked to Junior Hicks on the phone.
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And again he was the junior high
science teacher in Roosevelt, Utah who
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in the sixties and seventies really kept
track. People would come to him and
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Junior. I went to his house
and he had all these models of UFOs
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that people had seen and it was
pretty incredible. But the last thing I
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did for those series of articles was
give Junior a call and say, you
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know, I've got a lot of
stuff, but is there anything going on
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right now? And you know,
it's one of those things where as a
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reporter, it's like you always want
to ask that follow up question. There's
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always that nagging feeling that you didn't
get everything. And so Junior paused from
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it and he said, you know, you might want to check with Gwynn
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down at the bank, and that
was gwyn Sherman. I gave her a
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phone call and within a week I
was out on the Sherman ranch at the
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end of June of ninety six talking
to Terry gwyn Sherman about all the crazy
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things that had happened on their ranch, a lot of which they had witnessed
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personally over the last twenty months.
And we'll get into that in just a
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second. So all these sightings that
have been going on, you know,
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what's your hypothesis? How come some
people see these crafts, some people see
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extraterrestrials in the craft. Other people
have tell path of communication, and other
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people nothing. Yeah, and this
case is full of that stuff. First
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of all, I think there's a
bit, as you know, there's a
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bit of an angular angular perception.
In other words, someone can be standing
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here, someone can be over there
forty feet away and see something in the
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sky that the person who's forty feet
away doesn't see, or they see something
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different. And I certainly experienced that
in my interviews with people in Utah,
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and that was the case in the
nineteen seventies cases too. A lot of
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times where people were together, one
person saw something, one person didn't.
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As far as the telepathy goes,
you know, I'm an astrologer and I
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would love to know if these people
have a lot of water, like a
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lot of pisces, for example.
But when the National Institute for Discovery Science
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went out and observed this ranch later
and we're moving ahead a little bit,
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but it's pertinent here. One of
the most interesting incidences was one of telepathic
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communication with one of the KNIDS scientists, where there were two men sitting in
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a trailer essentially watching the kettle hoping
it would boil. Because that's kind of
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what happened. Once the scientists got
on a ranch, nothing really happened.
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So they're playing cards, probably bored. There was a light outside. They
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were aware of it, and one
of the investigators said, we need to
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go outside, so he went out. The other guy followed him, but
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it wasn't as close as him,
and of the two one one of them
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was standing there for about two minutes
looking up in the sky and the other
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person was observing him. The person
who was observing the guy couldn't really see
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anything in this guy just saw kind
of a brown spot. Well, after
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those two minutes, the other guy
reported to him that they that he had
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seen something and they had communicated to
him and telepathically, and basically what they
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said was that they were doing the
same things. They were both doing the
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same things, but their roles were
reversed, which I thought was really interesting.
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And they told him also that whoever
they are, they have the advantage
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and humans can't stop them from doing
whatever they want to do. And then
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and then they basically said, well, we're going back to work now,
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but the guy was really freaked out
and didn't go back. And so,
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and that is something that's interesting and
John Alexander, who was one of the
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Knid's officials. In fact, you
can find a pretty good video of John
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Alexander. It's a pr piece,
but it's pretty good. It came out,
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I think in twenty thirteen. It's
on YouTube, and he talks about
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the ranch a little bit. But
but John basically said in that interview,
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he did say that there does seem
to be some people who he used the
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word sensitive, some people who are
sensitive and are able to pick up information
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telepathic communication. And I don't know
if if they wherever they are aware of
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that and then choose people or what
it's all about, but there definitely does
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seem to be a telepathic component to
it. And the and the Shermans felt
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that a little bit too once they
got on the Randich as well, what
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do we know about the Shermans as
far as background is concerned. You know,
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solid of the solid stable, just
salt of the earth people. Terry
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is you know, in fact,
one thing that people have said about our
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screenplays they don't believe because they think
the family would have left sooner. And
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I'm like, well, this is
real life. Terry is not about to
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let anybody dictate what he wants to
do, and he had this life vision
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and he's from Arizona. He went
to school at Washington State for animal husbandry.
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He became really good at creating a
hybrid breed of angus, and that's
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what he wanted to find a big
ranch so he could have a lot of
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cattle and sell his hybrid angus,
which bring a pretty good price on the
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market. Well, guess what that
he had other cattle out there too,
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but the hybrid angus were the only
ones that whatever it is, the mutilators
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the only ones that they bothered.
But Terry was determined to defend his ranch
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and so and that's one reason why
the family saw so much stuff because he's
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always out there with a scope piece
looking. He knows where these three different
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types of craft that they see flying
through the air. They say they see
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red balls, they see blue balls
flying through the air. The blue balls
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are the ones that seemed to indicate
that a catmulation may be on the way,
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that mutilations take place during the new
moon. And so Terry is processing
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all this with Gwen, and they
have two kids who I believe were I
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think nine and eleven, I want
to say, and I'd love to talk
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to those kids. Now, that's
something I want to do this summer.
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But but you know, they're just
normal folks and you get out there.
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And Terry told me, he said, and here's the deal, Robin.
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It was like I had connections with
Robert Bigelow. I felt Robert Bigelow would
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jump at the chance of buying this
ranch. So my deal with the Shermans
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was like, look, I have
been covering this for several years. I
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have I have eleven pages of people
who have had things happen to them.
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Let me share this with you,
which I did, and they called people
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and they felt a lot better,
I think, after talking some people who'd
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had some similar experiences. And then
within a month Biggolow was out there.
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Linda Moulton how had Terry on on
Dreamland at Night because I was familiar with
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Linda from having done in caldemutlitions in
New Mexico. So at least what happened
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is Terry and his family they were
able to get off the ranch. Bigelow
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bought the ranch. I heard for
a little lesson with Terry paid for it.
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But they were just when they spoke
to me, they were just at
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their wits, and they didn't know
what to do. Terry had already tried
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to sell the ranch and he didn't
want to sell it to a family because
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of everything that happened to his family. It was just too scary. You
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didn't want to sell it to a
hunting club. He figured that could be
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trouble. So what do you do? So reporter comes out, he gives
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us the story, and Robert Bigelow
about a month later, comes out to
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the ranch I think it was less
than that, and ends up buying it
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and bringing his National Institute for Discovery
Science onto the property to study the phenomena
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and what has been found out about
the study of the phenomena with all the
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all the research that's been done to
date. Well, and you know,
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Bigelow of course is building space stations
in space now, so or hotels,
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I guess, so he has kind
of moved on. He shut down the
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National Institute for Discovery Science. I
think you can. I think their website
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is still up. But basically what
they'll tell you is they were out there
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for let's see, at least five
years, if not ten, with people
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out there actively, and there's still
people there. Bigelow owns a ranch.
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If anything happens, he'll know about
it. But not much happened. In
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other words, they did have one
calumulation that they study. It proved to
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be similar to all the other caldumulations, with high heat involved and all of
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that. But but I'll tell you
the incident that they've talked about that they
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and this is actually the incident that
prompted me to write The Shamandoah Experiment,
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which is a time travel film.
Okay, so here's what happened. When
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they first got on the ranch.
They put up four platforms. This is
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a four hundred and eighty acre ranch. The family has moved on. Terry
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is still coming over and caretaking the
ranch and they and they have cattle there
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still. Okay, So the cameras
are pointed to each other, so camera
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one can see Camera two, Camera
two can see Camera three, etc.
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But it's a lot of property to
cover here. So the cameras are up
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and running. And this wasn't very
long into their stay on the ranch,
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and all of a sudden, camera
two went out. Well they could see
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with camera one that you know,
the cattle were right under it, and
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they didn't seem to be disturbed.
They didn't really know what had happened.
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Well, they went and checked it
out, and everything that supports the camera,
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all of the duct tape, all
of the wiring, THEE PBC pipe,
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all of that was completely gone,
not just stripped, but gone like
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vanished. And here's the interesting part
is they could see what happened, if
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you will, from camera one,
and apparently it's one point three seconds per
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frame, that's the way they had
the camera set. So within one point
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three seconds they could see camera two
sitting there with everything working properly, and
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then one point three seconds later you
can see it. It's completely stripped.
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It's completely gone, it's no longer
working, and the cattle didn't even move.
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And these cattle I was out there. If you walk near the cattle
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anywhere near them, they're going to
run. So what happened in that one
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point three seconds? And that's and
we talk about angularity, and we also
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talk about time because to me,
there are just some some elements of this
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story and other stories where Okay,
how did they do that? How how
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was whatever did it? Not seen? And also apparently did it in a
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very short amount of time. Zack
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for joining us. So I tell
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us more about the people who originally
owned the Skinwalker Ranch and the experiences that
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they had. Yeah, Terry and
Glenn Sherman and their two kids lived on
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what we now call the Skinwalker Ranch, which is in the eastern Utah,
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and it was it was left alone
for about seven years before they moved on
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to the property, and there was
some interesting history with it and they found
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out a lot of that history as
they once they got onto the property.
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But but basically you're talking about,
you know, just an average rancher guy
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who wants to wants to do what
he loves, get out there playing a
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big ranch, have a lot of
cattle, makes some money and do what
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he's good at doing, which is
creating a genetic hybrid of angus cattle that
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bring top dollar at the auction.
But that kind of backfire. Terry Sherman
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thought he had a great property to
buy, four hundred and eighty acres of
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very near where his wife was from. His wife is from the un A
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Basin. Terry's from Arizona and went
to school up in Washington. But this
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is what he wanted to do.
This was his life dream, and the
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price was right, and everything looked
great until they got on the property.
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Even before they moved on to the
property, there was some interesting things that
407
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.880
happened. They started to see some
circular depressions. There was one out in
408
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:27.000
the field that that was kind of
close to the tree line, and Terry
409
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.680
just it was kind of eroded a
little bit. Terry figured somebody just pulled
410
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.839
a tree out of there, maybe, But then he started seeing them in
411
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.839
the middle of the pasture where you
wouldn't think the trees would be and certainly
412
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.319
weren't as far as he knew.
And then there was an occasion where before
413
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:42.519
they even moved in, they had
come over I think they were moving in,
414
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:47.000
they were putting some stuff up,
and there was a Terry described as
415
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:48.920
kind of like a like a wolf
dog, but it was huge. It
416
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.160
was like eight hundred pounds. It
was something they'd never seen before, and
417
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.640
it was kind of lumbering around the
property and was threatening, and Terry shot
418
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.799
at it and several times, and
I know, one big patch of hair
419
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:06.279
like flew off, like one big
peach piece of you know, hair and
420
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.880
skin, but didn't phase the animal. The animal ran off. Okay,
421
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.680
I've never seen anything like that before. And then little by little more things
422
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:17.720
here and there, and again they
lasted about twenty months on the ranch.
423
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:22.240
They found out later that the d
Indians who run the water treatment plant there
424
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:27.720
that is on the road going towards
the ranch when they moved in, they
425
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:30.559
and Terry got to know them later. But they took a pool to see
426
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:36.400
how long the family would last,
because the local Indians know about that area,
427
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:40.200
that ranch, and they don't go
on that area. And the longest
428
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:45.200
bed apparently was eighteen months, and
they they beat it. So I don't
429
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.319
know who won the pool, but
I think twenty two months is how long
430
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:52.039
they were out there. But all
sorts of strange things in addition to seeing
431
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:58.319
later, especially creatures that you don't
think belong in this time period, like
432
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.640
there was some sort of velocity wrap
or something in a tree at some point
433
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:07.240
they were. The biggest thing I'd
say is that after a few months they
434
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.880
were on their front porch and they
started seeing the windows in the sky open
435
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.759
up, if you will. And
whether or not it's some sort of tear
436
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:21.599
in the electromagnetic fabric of our planet, as Linda Moulton Howe has talked about,
437
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.839
or in this case, whether it
was some sort of cloaked ship or
438
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:29.279
something with a different environment on the
other side. Because what they were seeing,
439
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:30.759
and they saw this many times,
and they sat there on their porch
440
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:36.319
and watched it again from about four
hundred yards. But Terry has several high
441
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.000
powered rifle scopes, so they were
able to see it pretty well. And
442
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:43.359
what happened is these circular openings there
were about one hundred feet in diameter.
443
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.720
They would open up. There were
a total of four of them that would
444
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.160
open and they were always in the
same position in the sky and relationship to
445
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.920
each other, about one hundred yards
away from each other. And on the
446
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:58.799
other side you could see this sort
of auburn sky and at times you could
447
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:00.799
see a blue sky. So it's
it's almost like, you know, was
448
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:05.440
that another reality on the other side, or is it such a large cloaked
449
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.960
ship that only opens to allow smaller
ships in and out, which is what
450
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:14.159
was happening. Does it have its
own environment or is it something completely different?
451
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.079
But it's pretty interesting and it also
Terry also was told by a rancher
452
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.960
six years before that this rancher lived
down near Price, Utah, so about
453
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.159
eighty miles away southeast, that he
had the same thing happen where there are
454
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.519
catamulations, and he saw these openings
in the sky where ships would come out,
455
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:34.320
come in and out, and so
at least Terry felt like they weren't
456
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.000
alone. But that wasn't really helping
him because what they would see is they
457
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.880
would see two types of craft that
would come out. One was the box
458
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:45.239
shaped craft, which was like a
large refrigerator basically like like eight feet by
459
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.920
six feet, and I believe it
had it had very if any wings at
460
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:51.079
all. They were very small.
It's mostly just a box. It had
461
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:55.039
a sort of an albur auburn pulsating
light behind it, and then on the
462
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:59.519
front. It seemed, Terry said, you couldn't see where it was coming
463
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:02.280
from, but but there was the
projection of a beam that they described.
464
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:06.000
It made it look like it was
it was sunlight, okay, middle of
465
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.159
the night, new moon, and
you've got sunlight on the ground coming from
466
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:14.320
somewhere apparently the front of the craft
or around the craft, and the beam
467
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.079
would go It could go down to
about ten feet, or it could widen
468
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.559
up and brighten up the whole pasture. So they would see this a lot,
469
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.039
and it often seemed that these box
craft were following sort of a grid
470
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:27.440
where it would it would go down
and then it would hit the bottom of
471
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.360
the pasture and it would make a
ninety degree angle, and then another one
472
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:32.320
and come back up the way it
came, just you know, ten yards
473
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.760
away, that kind of thing,
as though it was searching for something.
474
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.519
What do then, what do the
experts say? Yeah, what does the
475
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:43.880
military say? What do the local
law enforcement officials say about? Well,
476
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:45.320
you're not going to get much out
of them at all. In fact,
477
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.840
I never got anything official out of
Hill or Force base or really anyone.
478
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:54.239
Um basically we talked to um Hatzidakis
was his last name to leave it was
479
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.000
Stephen. He was the and he
may still be there. He was the
480
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.159
sheriff, deputy sheriff. Are you
in a county? And we talked to
481
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:05.039
him quite a bit, and you
know, the local guys really couldn't do
482
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.280
much. I mean, he said
that the problem with the mutilations, and
483
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:12.199
in fact the sherman's their neighbor had
two also at the same time. He
484
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:14.559
said, usually the ranchers call us
late. We go out there, it
485
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.480
doesn't look like anything. We can't
really do anything. And they really can't
486
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:20.360
do anything unless unless they can find
the perpetrators, but they don't really know
487
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:23.880
now as far as the military is
concerned, um, there was nothing ever
488
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.639
official. But Terry actually knew somebody
at Hill Air Force Base and he there
489
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:31.039
was a guy who was coming out
in a car in a truck and kind
490
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:34.639
of seemed to be observing things.
And a lot of this happened after the
491
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:40.639
immediate sorry, after my articles came
out as when sort of six months before
492
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:44.360
that they hadn't really seen anything.
But then this guy from Hill Air Force
493
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:45.880
Base was there. Terry confronted him. He said, yeah, I'm from
494
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.480
Hill. R Terry said, get
off my land. The guy came a
495
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.639
couple other times, saw the same
vehicle, Terry saw a different license plate
496
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:57.199
each time. And so Terry eventually
did his own research and called his friend
497
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.119
at Hill Air Force Base and found
out who the guy was, but but
498
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:01.559
didn't really get much more than that. He thought maybe he was he was
499
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.719
working on his own. There was
a guy from the Navy. Two guys
500
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.480
from the Navy, allegedly from the
Navy that came out and poked around and
501
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:13.400
were really curious and got some information
and left and never came back. What
502
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:19.360
about what about other what about other
UFO and investigative organizations such as moufon?
503
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.599
Did they come out and do an
investigation? You know? M Yeah,
504
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:27.760
I'm not sure about mouf On because
I think Mildred. I'm not sure Mildred
505
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.360
was still around that. I think
she was. Um yeah, I don't
506
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.519
remember what they did now. I
think a lot of it was kind of
507
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.199
what happened at the time is because
Bigelow swooped in so quickly. What everybody
508
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:42.000
was saying was, oh, hey, now this who this millionaire guys taken
509
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.280
over the ranch and we don't have
any information now. So it was like
510
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:50.159
there really was no way to study
or get on there or or make your
511
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.960
own opinions because eventually, you know, it was quickly locked down and eventually
512
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:57.440
they did release information, but that
that was the backlash, I think the
513
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.199
Bigelow guy. But you know,
they said they were trying to do is
514
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.559
the right way and look at things
scientifically, and that I think that's great,
515
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.119
that that's a great way to study
it. But what they found out
516
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.360
is that you really can't find a
scientific fact that they basically just left it
517
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:17.599
at. It is a precognitive sentient
phenomena, and John Alexander will tell you.
518
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:22.639
You know, it's very real and
it is in control. And you
519
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.639
know, they talked about calling it
like the trickster, and that's the story
520
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:30.840
of where the skinwalker monitor comes from
the shape shifter. But I think it's
521
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:35.679
much more than that. But the
trickster element is very prevalent in this because
522
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.559
as the Knids researchers found out if
you, and Terry found out as well,
523
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:42.400
if you, because they interrupted a
couple of catamulations. So if you
524
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:46.400
try to stay one step ahead of
this phenomena, it seems to be precognitive.
525
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:50.280
It seems to know what you're doing
and it seems and Terry found that
526
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.519
to be true. There was one
time he said he saw a craft four
527
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.159
hundred yards away, he started walking
towards it. He got three hundred yards
528
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:59.199
away and it started to move and
signal to him, and it knew he
529
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.320
was coming. So they always felt
like they were being watched, and they
530
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.400
had dreams as well. They were
telepathic. And let me ask you a
531
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.800
question here. You know, if
Terry was so confident that these crafts would
532
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:17.320
be coming back, how come there's
no photos. Well, actually they videotaped
533
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:22.039
the craft I think they said,
I think seven different times. The one
534
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.079
that they got that was supposedly really
really good early on, Terry took it
535
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:30.840
to a guy in town. The
guy who said he could look at it
536
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:34.800
and enhance it. Well, you
know, after some time went by,
537
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:36.960
Terry checked with him and the guy
said, oh, you know, it
538
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:42.199
busted. Sorry, I don't have
it anymore. One of those things that
539
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.519
was the best one they had.
They had another one that a kid,
540
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.039
one of the kids took and they
said it was just it was just a
541
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:51.679
little bit too blurry. But they
really did try. But the thing you
542
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.280
have to realize too, they would
go four months without anything happening, and
543
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:58.360
often when things would happen, it
was just simply when Terry and his kid
544
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.800
or his nephew or Terry Gwyn were
out on the ranch doing things. And
545
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.000
Terry tried to be fairly prepared.
Of course, this was you know,
546
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:08.559
ninety six. You didn't have a
phone camera back then easily. But yeah,
547
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:13.199
they did make efforts and they did
get things, but nothing that anybody
548
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.880
really ever saw. And Ni's tried
to do the same thing allegedly. How
549
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.800
about now, with the freedom of
information at getting radar trackings of those dates
550
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.360
and times to see if there was
any radar occurrence. That would be great.
551
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:27.360
Could you do that? That would
be very interesting. Muf could do
552
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.880
that. Yeah, yeah, no, I in fact, I do want
553
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.480
to talk to mufin here in California
fairly soon about this whole thing. So
554
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:36.760
yeah, that would be interesting to
find out. It'd be interesting to go
555
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.239
back and do some work too.
And and believe me, there's many many
556
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:43.960
stories that are not being revealed.
Even when Terry and Gwinn spoke to me,
557
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:46.480
Terry told me he said, I
can't tell you everything. And they
558
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:52.519
didn't tell me about the menacing blue
balls in blue orbs in the first interview,
559
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.199
and I can understand why, and
I can tell you about that next.
560
00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:02.599
All right, so I understand the
enthusiasm behind behind the whole project,
561
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.800
But where's the where's the where's the
meat, Where's the proof. That's exactly
562
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:15.199
what the National Institute for Discovery Science
said as they walked away. They said,
563
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.760
we don't have the proof. We
try there is no proof, absolutely
564
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.480
no um Now what there is is, for example, and I mentioned Linamon
565
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.719
how earlier, and she's pretty much
done what I did in the past,
566
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:29.079
but she's continued to do it.
And you know, with all of her
567
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.639
investigation and talking to people in the
government and whatnot, her feeling is that,
568
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:37.079
you know, to some degree the
mutilations are have to do with with
569
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:43.679
sustenance for whatever these beings or creatures
are. But primarily it deals with replication.
570
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.719
It deals with replicating bodies for the
use of some sort of alien species.
571
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:50.199
And there's probably more than one.
I mean, that's all theory and
572
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.599
conjecture, and of course we've all
talked about that at nauseam, but it
573
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:59.639
seems like something like that certainly fits
the fact that the phenomena is in control.
574
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.199
I think is very apparent too,
that we're only going to be told
575
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:07.119
what we need to know. And
I'm very curious about the whole incident with
576
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.559
the NIDS scientists too. But you're
saying, you're saying that, you're saying
577
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:14.840
the phenomena is in control. Could
it be that there is no phenomena to
578
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:20.199
control? Yeah? Sure, would
you like to go live out in the
579
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.880
ranch for two years? Sure?
Uh? Yeah? No, I mean,
580
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:27.719
uh well, I mean so you're
doubting, like, I mean,
581
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.960
we can the the NIDS researchers also
saw a lot of the stuff that the
582
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:35.960
sherman saw, and they were certainly
not doing it for publicity, that's for
583
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:37.800
sure, you know. The I
mean, the kids were getting ridiculed in
584
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.920
town. Gwynn lost her job at
the bank, she couldn't get any sleep.
585
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.480
I mean, there was poulter Geist
activity in the house also, so
586
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:49.599
not so not only is there a
UFO activity, poulter geist activity, I'm
587
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:54.159
sorry, UFO activity, cattle mutilation
and let's hit the men in black or
588
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:59.760
government agencies, but there's also no
poulter geist activity in the house. So
589
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:05.039
it's like a plethora of every book
I've ever read on the paranormal pretty much,
590
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:08.199
and and Terry. They also had
nightmares and dreams. They had some
591
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:13.280
dreams where they were Okay, Zach, I've got to take my final break.
592
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.559
Please stand by extermination. This is
the X Zone. I am Rob
593
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.079
McConnell, and we'll be back on
the other side of this break as we
594
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.039
continue and wrap up this out.
We're hearing the X Zone from our broadcast
595
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center in Hamilton, Ontario. Don't
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Welcome back everyone, This is the XON.
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I am Rob McConnell. Zach van
Eck is our special guest. We're
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talking about the Sherman Ranch and the
strange going on there. We've had let
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me see cattle mutilations, UFO sightings, um and poldergeist activity, strange dreams.
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Biggelow bought bought the ranch, couldn't
find anything to substantiate any of the
648
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claims. Um, Well, I
wouldn't say he couldn't substantiate the claims.
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I think I know what, I
know. What I said was could not
650
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find any evidence to substantiate any of
the claims. You're pretty much correct there
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with reception of one caldimulation and yeah
and as far as we know, Yeah,
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So why pay interest in this case? Well, I think one of
653
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the reasons is because in my research, this is where I came across the
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blue orbs for the first time,
and they're very interesting. Terry and Gwyn
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started seeing them several months into their
experience on the ranch, where they would
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look down at the end of the
pasture and see this blue ball of light
657
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that was kind of bouncing through the
air, maybe six to ten feet off
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the ground. It seemed to move
very quickly. When I wanted to definitely
659
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intelligently controlled the way they described it
moving quickly and then solely at times bouncing
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around. They saw it several times
and they would see it generally they came
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to associate it with the caldimulation.
So when they saw the blue balls,
662
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they felt like they were going to
have some trouble. And what the balls
663
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would do, it looked like,
was go throughout the periphery of the property
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as if it were checking for something
or what have you. So then they
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had an occasion where one of the
blue balls actually came up out of the
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past year and came up to where
they were near the house, and it
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spooked one of the horses. There
was one blue ball. It was flying
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around the head of a horse,
and Terry and Gwyn were there and they
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saw it, and Terry remembers that
his thinking is that these orbs or whatever
670
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they are, they have some ability
to make you afraid, very afraid,
671
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much more so than just simply Now
obviously a ball flying through the air seemingly
672
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intelligently controlled, and by the way, crackling with static electricity is probably enough
673
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to frighten you anyway. But Terry's
not a guy who gets scared very easily.
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And he always said whenever the orbs
were around, there was some element
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of fear that they would they would
somehow deposit within you this idea that you
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should get away. And the orbs
did prove themselves to be dangerous on that
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first case, when the orb threw
around the horse, the horse's head then
678
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flew over towards Gwen, right at
her, and she had a flashlight,
679
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so she shined the light on it, and that seemed to distract it.
680
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The minute you shine the light on
it, it goes away. It went
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around, flew around a little bit
more, and then and then left,
682
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and Terry described it as sort of
a glass glass or opaque ball maybe softball
683
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size, maybe a little bit bigger
than a softball, with kind of a
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liquid, a blue liquid that he
said would sort of sit at the bottom
685
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half of the circle, and it
was almost like it was starting to boil.
686
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It was some kind of liquid.
And then he also noticed that when
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it would move that the liquid would
overlap and there was almost like one dark
688
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blue and one light or blue.
And you know, because they really got
689
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to look at it up close and
then and then they'd see it a few
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more times and then and then later
in ninety six before they moved out,
691
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and this was something they didn't tell
me about, but this is really what
692
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clinched it for them. I didn't
tell me about this originally, but they
693
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talked about it later. And what
happened is Terry saw another one these blue
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blue balls, and they'd seen them
before and they were irritating and they always
695
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knew that they kind of, you
know, meant trouble. So it's three
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hundred yards away bouncing around the pasture. The dogs of course see it and
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aware of it. He's got three
dogs, three healers. He's got him
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on a leash, and Terry says, you know, I don't really know
699
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why I let him go, but
I was kind of frustrated anyway, I
700
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just I just let him go.
So the dogs take off and they run
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down the pasture, and Terry's watching
on a scope. And this is late
702
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at night. I think the weather
was bad as well, which often they
703
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would come when the weather was bad. They seem to like that cover.
704
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But the dogs started chasing the ball, and the ball started playing with the
705
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dogs in the sense that it would
dip down right where they could grab it,
706
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and then as soon as they would
fight at it, it would lift
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up, and they had no success. And of course it's really frustrated and
708
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angered the dogs. So the blue
ward then with all these angry dogs after
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it led the dogs into and this
seemed to be something too. They like
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the cover of trees, so I
was trying to pull the dogs into lure
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them into a grove of trees,
which it did, and then Terry I
712
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couldn't see them anymore, but he
heard a yelp, and then nothing,
713
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and the dogs didn't return, and
he didn't go out at that time,
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obviously late at night with it raining
and that having just happened. But the
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next day he went out with Gwen
and they found three sort of darkened circular
716
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impressions on the ground, and there
was sort of an apple butter greasy like
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sort of substance in the center of
those three, which is somewhat consistent with
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the calamulations that doctor alf Schuler has
looked at. And they no longer had
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dogs, so at that point Terry
and Glenn were ready to leave. Did
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they file a report of the Sheriff's
office at that point? Yeah, I
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don't know if it did any good. They'd certainly been in touch with the
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sheriff's office, but it's just like
in New Mexico, it's like, what
723
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good does it do? What?
Let me ask you this, did they
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take the daver of the dog to
a veterinarian to get a vet's opinion into
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filery part? Well, there was
no cadaver, There was nothing. There
726
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was just a black spot on the
ground. Okay, So what have you
727
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yourself seen? Oh? I haven't
seen anything at all. So who has
728
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besides these people, um about I'd
say, well at least four hundred people
729
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in the un A Basin in the
sixties concent. I mean on this ranch,
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on this ranch, all the all
the examples you've given us tonight about
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going there's a guy named I know
what she looked for. There's a guy
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named Dean Dean Durahawk who I interviewed, and he was eleven years old in
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nineteen eighty when he was on his
uncle's property, which is right across from
734
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the ranch, and he saw a
silver disc land on the ranch property.
735
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He was out on a horse by
himself and uh, and he also saw
736
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something get out of it and it
creaked him out and he left. So
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that's the one story I can tell
you as someone who did see something on
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the ranch long before the Shermans moved
in. Now, the other thing you
739
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have to realize, too, is
there's a long history of the ranch before
740
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the Shermans got on there, including
ran Chands who came out and talked to
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the Germans afterwards and told them about
the experience that the Myers has had there
742
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because the Myers had the house for
a long time. Mister Meyer died in
743
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nineteen eighty. His elderly wife lived
there for seven more years, and the
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woman who took care of her encouraged
her to get off the property because there
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was too much strange things going on. The Myers had four chains for they
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had four supposedly ferocious dogs. That's
what the workers told Terry that they would
747
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put at each of the doors.
Inside the house. There's locks on the
748
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inside, sort of like a panic
room. Also, there's lots of youths
749
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legends and information for example that like
told you before, the youths consider that
750
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area off limits, never go over
there. When when Terry bought the property,
751
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what you required to do over there
because there's a lot of private property,
752
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Indian property is get an archaeological study
that shows whether or not there are
753
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any Indian artifacts there. And the
Indians said, no, you don't need
754
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that. It's okay, we know
there are no artifacts there. We never
755
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go there. We know that's the
skin Rocker ranch. So it's it's completely
756
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within the Indian culture. They're they're
very aware of it that strange things go
757
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:07.320
on there. I think what the
Sherman's experience was unusual because of who they
758
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were and what they were trying to
do. At that time. For all
759
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we know, things have been going
on for a long time. I don't
760
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Yeah, I don't have any doubts
that the Shermans are genuine, because there's
761
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no reason why Terry would leave that
ranch otherwise. I mean, I mean,
762
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that's his goal is to raise hybrid
cattle. That's that was his dream,
763
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:29.199
that's what he wanted. If looking
dream went down hard, Yeah,
764
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but if we're looking at twelve cattle, that's not a ranch. Well,
765
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he has hundreds of cattle, but
ten ten were mutilated or disappeared. What
766
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I was talking about earlier is in
northern New Mexico, a lot of the
767
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small ranchers, if they have one
or two y Terry had hundreds of head
768
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.960
out there. Well, once again, push comes to shove. There's no
769
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evidence, a lot of hearsay.
Well, and that's you know, is
770
00:56:54.360 --> 00:57:00.199
it hearsay or is it eyewitness report
after eyewitness report for eyewitness report? So
771
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:04.440
you know, that's okay. I
mean, people who if people don't want
772
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.400
to believe the Germans, that's fine
that but but if people want to be
773
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:12.119
open to the idea that possibly this
family experienced something unusual and may have contacted
774
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.760
another side, whatever that side is
uh, then I think, you know,
775
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:17.039
and things like this have happened elsewhere. I mean, it's not you
776
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:21.280
know, this isn't the only report. Now, the blue balls are pretty
777
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.000
interesting that I think is fairly new, and that's in our film and I'd
778
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:28.320
love to hear more cases about that. But once again, once again,
779
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:34.239
there's no eyewitness all right there.
There may have been, there may be
780
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.559
second and third hand stories about it, but when it comes to when push
781
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.840
comes to shove, there's a lot
of hearsay. There's a lot of you
782
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:45.840
know, a lot of non substance. It's another story. It's another row
783
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.920
aswell. Yes, and and the
nationalists two for Discovery Science and Bob Bigelow
784
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:52.400
and all those guys, they would
agree with you entirely, absolutely, because
785
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:57.960
that's that's what they came away with
ultimately. Other than other than a camera
786
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:01.559
that shows another camera being completely stripped
in one point three seconds with no explanation,
787
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:05.400
that was really the only thing they
came out of there with as far
788
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:08.920
as physical evidence and the cow that
was mulated, they did have any cropsy
789
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:14.519
done on the on account and what
was the results of the autopsy on the
790
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:16.280
cattle. Yeah, I think you
can still find it online. It was
791
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just like all the other calumulations with
a high heat laser of some type being
792
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:27.440
used. I believe they did send
those to doctor Altschuler, who worked for
793
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.440
Bigelow and another of Bigelow was funding
him for a while. He was just
794
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:36.760
looking at calcumulations and trying to figure
out what they were all about. See.
795
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:42.760
One of the biggest questions I have
is why would an intelligent race who
796
00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:47.199
is using cattle for experimentation or for
whatever reason, why would they leave the
797
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:52.599
evidence there to be found that does
not Probably probably because they know we can't
798
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:53.559
do anything about it. And why
why would they care. It's just like
799
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:59.679
somebody drinking a soda and throwing the
can into the garbage because you don't need
800
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:01.480
it any or you know. I
don't think they I don't think they care
801
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:05.840
what we think, because that was
part of the point, was that with
802
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:08.199
the telepathic communication, if it was
real, it was basically saying, look,
803
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:10.880
we're doing what we're doing. You're
not going to understand it, but
804
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:15.639
you know, Zach, I want
to thank you for joining us. Great
805
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:17.320
having you with us x own nation, our guests. This hour has been
806
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:25.000
Zach vent eck talking about the sun
Walker ranch. I'm sorry, x Own
807
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:29.519
Nation. I just can't get into
this. I really can A lot of
808
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:35.440
hear saying a Biggelow walks away from
it. Yeah, not that I give
809
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.719
him more credit than anybody else,
but I don't see a story here.
810
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:45.000
I really don't. I see a
made for TV movie or a TV show,
811
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:52.000
But sorry, don't buy into it. We'll be back on the other
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side of the break. Don't go
away, bow bow the animal, blow
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out to get the card, and
bow out