Rob McConnell Interviews - KEITH CHESTER - Military Encounters wityh UFOs

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So I was watching the X-Zone TV channel last night
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when I was abducted by aliens and they kept repeating
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to me over and over again, Simultv.com, Simultv.com.
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What's Simultv.com? That's what I asked them.
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They had it written on the side of their UFO.
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How do you spell that? UFO.
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No, I mean Simultv.com.
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S-I-M-U-L-T-V.com.
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S-I-M-U-L-T-V.com.
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Right.
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S-I-M-U-L-T-V.com.
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Interesting that you were abducted by aliens in a simultv.com
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UFO last night. Oh, yeah?
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Yeah.
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Now that you mention it, I remember now last night.
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I was awakened from a deep sleep. My great-grandmother was
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standing there. She said she'd come from the hereafter to
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tell me about simultv.com. She even spelled it out for me.
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Simultv.com, sonny boy.
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S-I-M-U-L-T-V dot com.
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S-I-M-U-L-T-V dot com, sonny boy.
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Wow. Yeah.
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Guys, you'll never guess what my psychic guru just told me.
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S-I-M-U-L-T-V dot com.
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Exactly.
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Are you guys psychic too?
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Of course.
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We all know about simultv dot com. S-I-M-U-L-T-V dot com.
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Greetings from Kalkorf and Kalskorner in the beautiful city of
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Prague in the Czech Republic at www.kalkorf.com. You're listening to
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Join Rob and I Thursday nights from 10 p.m. to
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Welcome to the X-Zone, a place where fact is fiction
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and fiction is reality. Now, here's your host, Rob McConnell.
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Doing that thing you do Breaking my heart into a
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million pieces.
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Like you always do And.
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You don't mean to be cruel You never even knew
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about the heartache I've been going through Well, I tried
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and tried to forget you, girl But it's just so
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hard to do.
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Good evening, one and all, and welcome to the X-Zone.
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On tonight's show, we have Keith Chester joining me. In
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a few minutes, we're going to be talking about strange
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company military encounters with UFOs in World War II. James
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Gilliland will be talking in the second hour about UFOs.
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Open mic, third hour, with yours truly, Rob McConnell. And, oh, okay,
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let's see. There are more paranormal researchers than any other
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time in history, and yet there is no proof that
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ghosts are real. Alien abductions are real. Bigfoot is real.
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Nessie is real. And that's just for start. Now, with
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all the digital cameras that people have access to and
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all the high-tech satellite surveillance and tracking capabilities, still no
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concrete proof. Now, I'm going to be asking you for
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your opinions, your comments, and your observations. And that is
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in hour number three. Hour number four, my buddy Cal
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Kor from the Czech Republic joins us for Cal's Corner.
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And this is tonight. January 10, 2008. Mankind has reached
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a threshold in the fourth decade of the 20th century.
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There were unprecedented scientific and technological achievements, but despite such progress,
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humanity was entering one of its darkest chapters. World War
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II would grip the world with six years of terror.
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During that time, military personnel reported seeing numerous highly unconventional
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aircraft in all theaters of operation. These objects had extraordinary
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flight performance capabilities, came in a variety of shapes, sizes,
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and colors, and were able to travel at extraordinary speeds
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and avoid radar detection. Strange Company is the first in-depth
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account of unconventional aircraft observed and reported by the military
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during World War II. It includes the reactions by military commands,
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their viewpoints, and theories as they struggle to make sense
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of the observations. Strange Company presents one of the greatest
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wartime mysteries, one that has been shrouded in ignorance for
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more than 60 years. And it suggests that while an
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immense 20th century war was raging on Earth, there appeared
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to be someone or something from somewhere else watching us.
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When I come back from this two-minute commercial break, my
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first guest tonight, Keith Chester, he is the author of
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Strange Company, Military Encounters with UFOs in World War II.
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That's right here in the X-Zone. UFOs, the first two
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parts of tonight's show. Trying to understand why, with so
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many people now in the field calling themselves researchers, we
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know less than we did before, statistically speaking. And Cal Corfin,
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our number four. My producer tonight, the one and only Superman. Hey, Superman,
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nice working with you again tonight. And Superman and I
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will be back on the other side of this two-minute
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break as the X-Zone continues. We're right here, live and
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around the world, on the Talk Star Radio Network from
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the X-Zone Studios in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Don't go away.
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My, my, my, my.
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Music, you know, so hard.
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Makes me say, oh, my Lord, thank you for blessing
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me with my.
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Ta-na-na-na, ta-na-na-na, ta-na.
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We've got your father's time But I'm dancing on the valentine.
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I tell you somebody's fooling around With my chances on
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the danger line I'll cross that bridge when I find it.
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Another day's a man Keith Chester is the first guest
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tonight here on the X-Zone. Keith was born a Sputnik baby.
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Keith's interest in UFOs was sparked by a daytime sighting
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during the mid-1960s. He's a private researcher, abstract artist, and
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filmmaker living in Bel Air, Maryland. Keith, welcome to the X-Zone.
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How are you tonight?
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Thanks a lot, Rob. Glad to be on.
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Keith, how did you first get interested in the topic
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of UFOs, and can you tell us about the sighting
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you had?
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Yeah, I was nine years old living in Frederick, Maryland,
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and it was an evening daytime sighting. The sun had
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gone down behind me. I lived against the Catoctin Mountains.
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But it's around 630 on a summer evening, and I
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looked out across the field about 200 yards. There was
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a bright red circular ball structure just hanging in the
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air above the trees, and At nine years old, I
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had to hold my hand out, and I could hold
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it in a full palm. So that's about as much
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as I can tell you about the size, but it
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just hung there, and it scared me. That's all I remember,
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that it did scare me. I was used to seeing
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helicopters because the Vietnam War had been pretty thick and
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starting up, and I saw a lot of aircraft, hot
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air balloons. We used to have an area where biplanes
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would come out and do their stunts for practice. So
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I was very aware of what was in the air.
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So that started my interest, basically.
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Now, when did you start active research into ufology?
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That didn't start until around, I guess, 1989. I had
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a friend who was going to a local high school,
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and She spoke of a teacher who had worked for
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the Pentagon in the summer of 1969 under the CETA program,
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which is the Civilian Employment Training Agency. And at that time,
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she worked for Colonel Sullivan for the Office of Civil Defense.
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And it was just her. and Colonel Sullivan, who was
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an Army officer. At that time, she heard at one
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point other military officers, and he discussed having UFO in U.S. custody,
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and they were discussing what they should be doing with
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it in terms of where to keep it and store it.
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She tried not to listen, but that was her take
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on it. And that was around 1989 was the time
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I think Schmidt and Randall came out with C. Roniswell
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when that story broke. It was around that time frame.
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So she was telling her classes in school, high school.
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And so I interviewed her. And because of that, I
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decided that I needed some guidance, and I contacted Leonard Stringfield,
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who became my mentor. And so he helped guide me
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through the case, and that's when I actually started active
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research with UFOs.
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Now, what inspired you to write Strange Company?
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Well, it was Mr. Stringfield's sighting. He had a sighting
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on August 28, 1945, over the Pacific. And that was
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after the war had ended, and he was heading between
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Iwo Jima and Iwo Jima. In a C-46 transport aircraft,
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they were going to be the first. He was part
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of an intelligence capacity for the 5th Air Force, and
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they were going to be the first intelligence team into
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the Atsugi airdrome after the bombing of Nagasaki. And he saw,
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during the day, three circular aircraft, magnesium-colored, like burning magnesium,
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come out of a cloud bank, And it was his
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impression that they actually caused his aircraft to malfunction, and
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they were ready to crash land into the ocean, so
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it scared the heck out of him. And they proceeded
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to go back into a cloud bank, and from that
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point on, he decided to devote his life to UFO research,
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so we all know that story.
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Now, what transpired over the course of the war? Were
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there many sightings, and were Foo Fighters part of the
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UFO phenomena during World War II?
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Foo Fighters were a part of the phenomena, and the
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thing that I soon discovered after the research was that
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they weren't... What was being seen was called the Foo Fighters,
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not until January of 1945. They had been seen since 1933,
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and it was a host of names... Ghost aircraft, mysterious aircraft,
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phantom flyers, the light, the thing, balls of fire, rockets, jets,
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whatever the pilots decide to describe them as or the
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intelligence officers, that would go into the report. And, of course,
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then they would try to backtrack and determine if it
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was conventional aircraft. So really the Foo Fighters was a
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name given by one night fighter unit, a United States
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night fighter unit called the 415th Night Fighter Force. and
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they named it after a Smokey Stover cartoon that was
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popular in the States in the 1940s. It was named
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after the fire truck that Smokey drove around with his
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mad caper activities. So it stuck because that name hit
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the press, and it became a generalized term even post-war.
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Now, what wartime sightings do you feel were the most significant?
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Well, the most significant would be, I'd say, June 25, 1942.
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Captain Ray Sabinsky was coming back from bombing the Ruhr Valley,
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Germany's industrial area. He was heading out over Holland, going
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out over the North Sea, and his crew saw a copper,
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the size of a moon, object come towards the aircraft.
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So he immediately alerted the gunners to take defensive position and...
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It got close, and so they fired upon it. He
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was in a position where two gunners were able to
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fire on the object, and what startled them was that
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the tracer rounds were going into the object, but they
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weren't exiting. So they were sure they were hitting this object,
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but there was nothing that they could see that left
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behind it. So then they really started to panic. But
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by then, the object started to maneuver around the aircraft,
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and then... shot away and disappeared. They reported it back
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at the base. They were ridiculed. They were laughed at.
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Intelligence officers wanted to know what they were drinking. But
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other aircraft coming in behind them had seen the same thing. But,
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of course, it did not make it into official reports.
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The official report can't be found. However, the testimonies are
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all there.
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Tell me, Keith, in this case, did the UFO take any...
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or respond to the fire that the aircraft was giving it?
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No. To his knowledge, Captain Spinski's knowledge, it was basically,
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it maintained a certain distance. It just, as if it
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was monitoring their aircraft. It took no hostile actions. It
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stayed around. It was under fire. It maneuvered around their
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aircraft at different positions, and then it just departed. And
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you'll find many of the sightings were like that throughout
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the war. I don't know of any real hostile encounters
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with aircraft. They would get close, so you could take
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that as a hostile movement. But the fighter pilots would
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fire on them. The bomber crews would fire upon them.
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But basically, it was almost as if they were being
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under surveillance.
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Now, during this time, during World War II... Was there
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any official investigation launched into the Foo Fighters or the
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wartime UFOs?
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Well, the only thing that we know for sure is
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in February, January of 1943, the British initiated what they
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called a rocket phenomena investigation. Now, they were calling the
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odd sightings rocket phenomena because they had believed that the
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Germans were, fooling around with rockets. However, the performance capabilities
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of these rockets turning at 90-degree angles had intelligence operatives thinking, well,
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there's no way that could be happening. So we are
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now dealing with hallucinations, misidentifications, celestial phenomena. So that was
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the first official investigation. And then, by the time the
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Foo Fighters came around in the beginning of 1945, General
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Eisenhower's office initiated an investigation specifically into the Foo Fighters,
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and that was headed by Dr. H.P. Robertson, which is
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famous from the 1953 Robertson Panel Commission held in Washington
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to determine if UFOs weren't a threat to United States security.
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And what were the findings of this investigation?
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Well, they... The one... significant paper, one document that has
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anything to do with a finding, if you could call
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it that, there was a part in the report called
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On Lack of Danger. And it's, quote, if the term
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flying saucers had been popular in 1943 to 1945, these
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objects would have been so labeled. However, the team of
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scientists in Washington Robertson, Dr. Louis Alvarez, Lloyd Berkner, Dr.
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Samuel Galsmith, Dr. Thornton Page, determined that it was basically St.
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Elmo's fire, electromagnetic static. It was some type of celestial phenomenon,
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but they still could not determine or have an answer
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to give the public or the scientific community as to
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exactly what they were.
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Now, how many pilots or crew members did you interview
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for your book, and which was the most compelling stories
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that you heard?
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Well, of course, Leonard Stringfield was the most, I guess,
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compelling in terms of it showed that there was an
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actual physical reaction with his aircraft. And when he did land...
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he was able to see that the left engine where
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he saw the objects had leaked oil all the way
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down his aircraft. And then he had talked later and
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found out there was some type of magnetic problem with
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the controls. The other would be Harold Augsburger, which was
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the commanding officer of the 415th Knife Fighter Squadron, and
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they were the unit who named them the Foo Fighters.
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Most all the men had seen them. over the course
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of months, and Augsburg himself had gone up, and he
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too witnessed it several times. And the one time he
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did see it, it was just a ball of light.
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It appeared out of nowhere. It wasn't on their radar.
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And after monitoring his flight, the ball shot up into
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the night sky and just disappeared among the stars, and
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he estimated it had to be at thousands of miles
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per hour. No vapor trails, no flames, nothing. As if
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someone took a flashlight beam and shot it up. But
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he was sure that it was some type of object
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because they had come close enough to the aircraft over
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the month to determine it wasn't just All right, Keith.
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Long Keith Chester is my special guest. He is the
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author of Strange Company, Military Encounters with UFOs in WW2.
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Keith's website is www.anomalistbooks.com forward slash Chester dot html. And Keith,
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thanks for joining us tonight and for enlightening us on
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the UFO phenomenon during WW2. There was a lot of speculation, Keith,
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about the advancements that the Germans had made in, as
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you and I were talking about earlier, in rocket propulsion,
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and also that the Germans had been working on an
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anti-gravity flying machine. Is there any connection between this and
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any of the UFO sightings that you're aware of?
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No, but, however, I can see how the correlation is there.
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When the air intelligence officers moved in to exploit Germany
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right at... Germany surrendered, they were uncovering vast amounts of documentation, blueprints, material,
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and of course they were encountering the facilities, scientists, technicians,
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and they quickly realized that Germany, aeronautically, were 20 years
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ahead of the United States. So there was a great
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deal of information that, of course, would be phenomenal to us,
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Regarding UFOs during the war, there's no evidence to suggest
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that the great sightings that we have were German-related. However,
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it wouldn't surprise me, and of course other researchers have
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shown that there were UFO-type aircraft on the drawing boards.
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That controversy rages now. But the actual UFOs that I
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consider phenomenal during the wartime I do not see any
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indication that Germany had such ability.
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During your research, Keith, did you also investigate radar reports
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and radar targeting of these UFOs? And is there any
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correlation between the UFO radar tracks that were reported in
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World War II to the present-day UFO tracking reports?
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Well, of course, radar was new during World War II,
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and there were... aspects of radar, what they call them
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the ghost of Nancy or Pips or Blips or Phantoms, that,
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you know, birds could actually come up on the screen.
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But there were aspects where radar operators could not see
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the aircraft on their screens, even though they knew they
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were only about 50 feet from the aircraft. That's what
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some of the amazing things are. As far as The
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technology today in radar detection, I'm sure, is far more sophisticated.
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But at that time, and given how new radar was,
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there was enough to cause real concern in American intelligence.
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During the war, did the UFOs seem to pick sides,
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and did they ever interfere with any of the air battles?
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There's no indication that I have that that happened. However,
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there are indications that the Axis pilots were seeing them also.
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The most unfortunate thing about my research was I wasn't
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able to go to Germany or Austria or Russia and
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check the archives there. But there are researchers in Italy.
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There are researchers in Russia that have... dug into the archives,
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and from what I gather, there have been just as
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many sightings of some type of phenomenon. And I do
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know from interviewing some of the pilots that a couple
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had told me that they were told by intelligence officers that, yes, indeed,
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when we were capturing the German pilots, they too had
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talked about observing something that they thought were ours. yet
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there's no official documentation that I've come across that shows that.
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I still believe that's classified for whatever reason.
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To your knowledge, Keith, is there any theater of operation
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that did not encounter wartime UFOs?
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The primary theater of operations were the Italian theater of operation,
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the Mediterranean, European, and, of course, the Pacific operations. China
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and Burma Theater, I believe, had a few. But again,
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I only really touched the tip of the iceberg regarding
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documentation and was only able to see a very small
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fraction of air intelligence reports that came in. So there
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was probably a great deal more. However, the European Theater
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and the Pacific Theater had the most information and made
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it to the widespread press And that's why we know
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so much now, because the press got a hold of
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the story.
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For one.
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And, of course, now you can find documentation in the
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archives that talk about the phenomenon. They use these actual words.
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Now, during World War II, the... Japanese were involved with
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the development and launching of fugos from the shores of Japan,
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and these balloons would rise and use the jet streams
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to try and attack the U.S., some of the Some
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of the Fugos carried intelligence equipment, others carried personnel, and
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others carried bombs. Is it possible that some of the
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UFOs reported in the Pacific campaign or the Pacific Theater
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were actually Fugos?
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Oh, absolutely. There were probably a lot of misidentified objects,
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you know, high-altitude weather balloons, weather balloons. They had, of course, Fugos.
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They know they were coming over, but there was a blank...
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A blank out of the information to the American public.
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They had no clue because they didn't want to start
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a panic.
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That's the last thing they wanted to do.
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I know.
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And I think there was actually some death caused. I
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think a Boy Scout master and a few of the
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troops walked upon one, hanging in a tree and were killed.
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But yes, the pilots were seeing all kinds of things
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that were definitely all lumped together. And we have to
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remember the terminology of World War II is what gets
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us in trouble. Some of the strange sightings were called jets,
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yet they weren't jets, but they were using terms. So
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when the reports read balloon, you had to think, well,
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there's a real possibility that was a balloon. However, we
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also know from other reports, balloon was just a catch-all term.
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That's where rockets, flares, you name it. So absolutely, there
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were a lot of things that were being seen that
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can be explained. However... At a distance, war nerves, under fire,
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in combat situations, it's very understandable how you could not
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get all the details.
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Keith, prior to and after the nuclear explosions at Hiroshima
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and Nagasaki, did UFO activity increase or decrease?
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Well, when I first started my investigation with Mr. Stringfield,
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he felt... at the time, that the UFO activity increased
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with the atomic bomb testing. But that I don't quite
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agree with. I believe that the activity, the flurry of activity,
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was just as great at that point ten years prior.
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The Scandinavian sightings of 1933 were in the hundreds. Finland, Norway,
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Sweden were all conducting investigations. John Keel did a lot
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of investigation on that, and I based my book on
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his investigation. But they were seeing things that mimic today's sightings.
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Objects in the sky that beams would come down on
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the ground, and there were hundreds of these beams seen
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all around the world. So I was shocked to see
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when I started to pull all this together into one
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form that no... There were plenty of sightings. But by
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the time the war started, that had to, of course,
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take the most important aspect in the press. So a
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lot of it was suppressed. And, of course, it was
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intermingled with enemy activity. So I don't agree with that
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at all. I think that the activity was just as
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strong as ever prior to the bombing.
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Now, is there any, based on your research now, Has
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there been a hypothesis brought forward that would indicate where
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these craft originated from and what their purpose was?
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The hypotheses are in the hundreds, probably. I mean, I'm
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sure you have in your show have come across quite
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a few. To this day, I see nothing that can
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identify this. the phenomenon that was being seen during the war.
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If I put blinders on and look at the phenomenon
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during the war, I can say, okay, there's a good
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chance we were dealing with enemy technology. However, when you
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read the intelligence reports, it dictates otherwise. And then after
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the war, we have one document, one major document out
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of the CIA that talks about this phenomenon, and there
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was no explanation. So it's I don't understand it either.
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I think in your third hour you're going to discuss
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that topic, correct?
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Yes.
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And it amazes me. You know, I think Jerome Clark
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has said it best. He said that we're not dealing
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with a phenomenon, we're dealing with phenomena. And it's just
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at this point still eluding us. I don't understand why.
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But during the war it was truly startling a lot
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of people, including these, you know, hardened veterans who were
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in combat for months, years, and when they would encounter
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these things, it was so different. It was beyond what
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they considered. They were calling it Buck Rogers. They were
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calling it Flash Gordon related. They were laughing about it
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at the same time, but they realized, what are we seeing?
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So I hope that answered your question. I jumped around
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a lot.
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You know, it's all right. As I said, it was
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based on your research and what your hypothesis was, and
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I understand that the field is very vague. Were there
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a lot of photos taken of these UFOs during World
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War II? Because there were a lot of newsreel cameramen
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all over the place.
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Absolutely. If you watch a World War II documentary of
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the air war... They had cameramen who, handheld cameras, they
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had 8mm, 6mm, they had nose cameras, they had cameras
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in aircraft, and that's all they did for meteorological reasons
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or air reconnaissance. So there was tons in the air.
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And from what I understand, there were objects captured. However,
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what's interesting is there is no known official record photograph
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that can be verified of a Foo Fighter or a
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UFO during the war. There's about two or three that
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have been circulated for the last several decades as being authentic. However,
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I don't believe that those sources are known in terms
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of where they came from. But when you talk to people, veterans,
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you find out, yes, the gun camera footage existed. It
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was whisked away to Washington, to the Same old story, secrecy.
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And that's all I can say. That was one of
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the things I'm still looking for with my research are
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more of the photographs, what happened to the gun camera footage,
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any kind of report that was generated from that.
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You know, Keith, after having done the research that you
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did and working on your book, Strange Company, When speaking
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to the veterans, what did they say? How did they
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express their feelings when it came to these unidentified flying objects?
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Two of the veterans said, I are in my book,
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Harold Augsburger and, of course, Leonard Stringfield, both to this day. Well,
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Leonard passed away in 1994, but Harold Augsburger is still alive,
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living in Ohio, and they believe that they had been
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dealing with something of extraterrestrial nature. That's exactly what they
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said to me, and they stand behind that. Others thought
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it was a good possibility. Some couldn't believe that's what
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it was and thought for sure they were dealing with
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German technology. However, they weren't sure, but they weren't willing
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to say, oh, it was from outer space or Buck Rogers.
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But generally, the veterans kind of laughed about it. They
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kind of were taken aback. They were surprised. They didn't understand,
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you know, many of them had encountered the ME-262 jet,
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which was the first. Could you imagine being 19, 20
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years old and encountering the first jet in combat? That
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was something very extraordinary to see, I'm sure.
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Sure was, yeah.
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And then some of them had seen the V-2s in flight,
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the V-1s in flight. So they had a good understanding
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of what flight capabilities were. And the... UFOs that they
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were seeing really stuck out in their mind as being
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something very unusual. But I'd say the majority of the
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pilots I spoke with thought it was German technology.
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Keith, stand by, young man. You and I have to
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take a commercial break. Keith Chester is our special guest.
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out more about Strange Company, visit www.anomalistbooks.com forward slash Chester
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show I got my hush puppies on I guess I
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never was meant for glitter rock and roll.
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And honey, I didn't.
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Know That I'd be missing you so Come Monday, it'll be.
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All right Come Monday, I'll be holding you tight.
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I spent four lonely days in a brown LA. And
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I just want you back by my side.
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Yes, it's been quite a while.
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I know for a fact that, yes, the Korean War
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and Vietnam War both had sightings. And from what I understand,
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there have been sightings in the Gulf War. And unfortunately,
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I'm not knowledgeable enough to really discuss those with you.
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But I have come across the articles in books and magazines, too.
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Keith, do you have any other books coming out soon?
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Well, I'm still working on it. I'm going to probably
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work up on a follow-up for this book. As I
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researched it, more and more questions. I'm very intrigued by
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the investigations, the air technical intelligence teams. I'm interested in
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the fact that we were exploiting Germany. And, of course,
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we had to be looking for that technology, assuming it
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was theirs. If we looked at it through the eyes
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of an intelligence officer in 1945... I doubt seriously they
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were thinking, except for in certain realms, that there was
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something extraterrestrial taking place. So they were probably wanting to
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know what did the Nazis have that can account for
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some of these sightings, and that fascinates me. So I'm
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going to keep researching the National Archives and hopefully put
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together another book.
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After writing this book, Keith, and talking to the people
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that you did, the men and women on both sides
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of the campaign, what is the most intriguing question that
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came to light?
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Regarding the veterans or my research?
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Both.
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I guess the most intriguing was, for years, it was
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printed in... and books that there were no official investigations.
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The war was a top priority. Churchill, Eisenhower, Truman, Roosevelt,
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they had more to worry about than chasing down UFO sightings.
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But come to find out, when I went to the archives,
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I uncovered documentation right out of General Eisenhower's office talking
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about night phenomenons. And, of course, that was what the
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Foo Fighters were in the press. However, the British were
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calling them balls of fire. So it tells me that
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there were investigations going on behind the scenes. And that
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tells me there's documentation, and especially when it was at
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that high level of the military.
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Keith, I hate to do this, but we've run out
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of time for tonight. Love to have you back on
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in the future. And congratulations on a great book and
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continued success.
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Thank you very much, Ron. I appreciate it.
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It's really nice talking to you, Keith. Take care of yourself.
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Have a great night.
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Keith Chester has been our guest this hour. The name
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of his book is Strange Company, Military Encounters with UFOs
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in WW2. His website, www.anomalistbooks.com forward slash Chester dot html.
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If you're into UFOs, don't go away. When we come
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back from the news at the top of the hour...
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My guest is going to be James Gilliland. We're going
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to be talking about contact. We're also going to be
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talking about UFOs, the International UFO Congress, and much more.
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I'll be back with UFOs right here on Talk Radio.