Rob McConnell Interviews - KATHERINE CHILJAN - Shakespeare Suppressed

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go on and on and on, but already you're saying,
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what's going on in the xxon? He's doing Shakespeare now
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well for a very special reason. My guest this hour
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is a young lady who is it's got a very
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interesting book out. It's called Shakespeare Suppressed. Catherine. How do
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you pronounce your last name?
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Children?
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Catherine childm Catherine Children is our guest, and Catherine is
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basically looking at hidden history exponation. It's pretty obvious from
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the title of her book and the little examples I
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gave you of my massive knowledge of Shakespeare. Yeah, I
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failed it in Schoolgang, Who was this major literary figure?
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Do we really know?
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The mainstream historians want us to believe the biography they
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have presented to us. However, the profile of this great
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author doesn't match the biography of the man from Stratford,
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not Strafford, Ontario either, Strafford, Ontario. What was the name
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of that young guy that singer? Oh, it'll come to
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me anyway. This is going to be a very interesting
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hour exponation. So joining me now is Catherine Children. Did
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I say it right? Katherine? Chill jan chill jan kill
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Jen all right, Chill chill jan.
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Chill jan right. Chilly in January?
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All right, so chilly in January. So here's Catherine Smith.
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No, just kidding.
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Thanks very much for joining us all the way from
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San Francisco, beautiful city. Pleasure, and tell us a little
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bit about yourself. First.
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Well, I am an independent scholar who's been involved in
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the history of the real Shakespeare for over thirty years.
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It was a history major UCLA a long time ago,
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and I just shortly after I graduated, I got into
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this and it's just electrified me ever since.
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Wow, and by the way, my producer Craig on the
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other side of the glass whispered in my ear. Justin
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Bieber is from Stratford, Ontario, and of course William Shakespeare.
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Shakespeare was from Stratford in England, right.
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Stratford upon Avon. Yes, that is the traditional story. But unfortunately,
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if you really look at the evidence, it really is
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an unproven theory that the Stratford man was the great author.
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And that's what my book's all about, is to show
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you the evidence and how so much of pretty much
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the entire evidence that a professor would tell you that
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points to the Strafford man. It's all after he had died.
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That's the evidence that they used. But if you look
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at lifetime evidence, which is normal, you don't see any
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evidence at all that he was a writer. We have
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evidence that he was involved in the theater, that he
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owned shares, and that he was a member of an
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acting company, but that is about the extent of it.
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So am I getting this inclination right that history lied
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to us.
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Again, Yes it did. I think it was purposeful, but
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I think it was done after both of these two
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different gentlemen, the man from Stratford and the real author
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of the place after they had both died. Yeah, just
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I think ultimately it was political, but you.
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Know that I agree with you, and this is why
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we've got to go to a break. But I'm just
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going to close off with this that they're still teaching
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children in schools in Canada and the United States. Christopher
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Columbus discovered America and we all know that is anything
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about the truth. We'll be back on the other side
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of this break. Www. Dot shakespeare Suppress dot com is
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Catherine's website and we're talking about the truth, the hidden story,
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the hidden history of William Shakespeare.
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All right, excellanation. My guest this hour is Katherine Chiljan,
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and we're talking about suppressed truth about. You've got a
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William Shakespeare. Her website is suppressed Shakespeare. I'm sorry, Shakespeare
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suppressed dot com. That's Shakespeare suppressed dot com. All right,
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what do we know about? Not the guy that they
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want us to know, but the real Shakespeare, the Shakespeare
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that you investigated and that you're bringing to light. How
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different is one from the other.
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Well, the first one would be the breath of his knowledge.
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He had an incredible amount of knowledge. He knew several languages,
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modern languages, classical languages. He knew medicine. There's over six
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hundred medical references. He knew astronomy, he knew bought me,
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he knew the law plant. You know so many things,
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and that is indicative of somebody who was greatly educated. Right,
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he had to have gone to university like for example,
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the subject of rhetoric is only taught at university level
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during those that period we're talking sixteenth century, it was
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not at the local grammar school, so he had to
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have been someone who had such access. And yet when
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you look at the education of the Strafford Man, all
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they say is that he had a grammar school education
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that he probably you know, left school when he was
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about thirteen to go into the trade of his father.
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That's a big disconnect from the very beginning.
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Is it possible that he was self taught.
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It's possible. However, you know, they didn't have public libraries
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back then, so if you were somebody who showed great
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knowledge and promise and genius, there were such things as
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you know, like a form of scholarships, or you could
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have a patron that would sponsor you. But as far
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as we know, there is no known person who's come forward.
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You know that we found in history that he was
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associated with other than the Earl of Southampton, but he
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was the one person that Shakespeare made a dedication to.
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But there's no evidence that the two knew each other,
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so it's problematic, to say the least. Another reason that
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would indicate a disconnect is that there was a lot
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of politics in the Shakespeare place, like, for example, in Hamlet,
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the character Lord Polonius, he was a counselor to the king,
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and it's accepted by many historians that that was a
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lampooning of the high counselor at the time in the
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Queen Elizabeth's court, Lord Brewley. Now, how can you get
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away with lampooning such as a powerful person and not
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be prosecuted, And there's no evidence that Shakespeare was ever prosecuted.
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And yet you have other writers like Samuel O'Daniel and
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Thomas Nash and Ben Johnson who were all prosecuted for
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some you know, writing some of their plays. So that's
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another disconnect right there.
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Well, is it possible that the person who we call
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William Shakespeare was actually a pen name that was used
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by a number of different people, each having an expertise
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in this specific craft.
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Well, you are correct that it William Shakespeare was a
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pen name. Ah, I don't quite. I do see a
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common voice in all of the Shakespeare plays, So I
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don't quite you know, go for that theory. If you
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look at the name, how the name was hyphenated almost
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half of the time that you saw it in print
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during the sixteenth and seventeenth century. It had a hyphen
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between shake and spear. It's a descriptive name spear shaking,
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and that was a common expression back then because of
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you know, they used swords back then.
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Yeahs.
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And so that's a hyphen. Is not enough to say, okay,
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that's a pen name. You have to look at what
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we know about the great author, which amounts to very little.
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I mean, we don't have any manuscripts written in the
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hand of William Shakespeare or letters. We don't have any
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payments to Shakespeare. We don't have any notice of his death,
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you know, things like that. No one claimed to have
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known him while he was alive. So when you look
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at all these zeros and then you can say, okay,
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and the name had a hyphen, and it makes sense
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that this really is a pen name.
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You see even in today's media, for example, there are
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groups of people who will write TV series and they'll
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use a pen name of one person, but it's actually
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the work of many people behind the scenes. And I'm
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just wondering if this is what happened in this case.
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Like I said, it is possible that I don't think so.
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So give me your hypothesis.
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Well, you see, some Shakespeare professors today will tell you
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that he partnered with some other writers of the period.
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And the reason they do that is because Shakespeare wrote
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so many plays in a relatively short amount of time.
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So to give them a little slack, they in my opinion,
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they are they're trying to make him partners with other people.
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That was the case. The real case is that the
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great author was writing decades earlier than the Shakespeare professor
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will tell you today. He was writing in the fifteen
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sixties and seventies and eighties. And you asked the professor
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and he'll say, Shakespeare started writing in the fifteen nineties.
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So it's partially to kind of explain how prolific he
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was in a short amount of time. But no, I
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don't think it. I think the Earl of Oxford was
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the real author, and I think that he wrote all
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these plays by himself.
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So what do we know about the Earl of Oxford
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that we that we can take what is known about
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the Earl and connect it to the William Shakespeare that
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we all believed was a real person.
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Well, the first thing is he was an aristocrat. He
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was a seventeenth Earl of Oxford. And during this period,
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if you were somewhat of high rank like that and
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you had an interest in literature, in the theater and
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the drama and writing, that was something that you didn't
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want to be well known, so it was common for
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those of high rank to use pen names. And he
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was a champion of the joust so it would make
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sense that he would call himself a William Well, I
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don't know about the William Park, but a spear shaker
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because he was a spear shaker. The jousting instrument was
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called a long spear. So he was also the Earl
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of Oxford known to have written anonymously anonymously, so that's
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another indication. In fact, someone during the period said that
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he was best in comedy, and also some contemporary writers mentioned,
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you know, by inference that Shakespeare was someone of high rank,
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that he also wrote anonymously or with an alias. So
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those are just a few points. The Earl of Oxford
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was known as a patron of the arts and music,
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and he patronized many books to be published, history books,
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music books, poetry works, things like that, so he was
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definitely in the literati. He was definitely known as a writer,
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and yet even though he was known as best in comedy,
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nothing in his own name has survived. So that's, you know,
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kind of a disconnect, and that puts us back to
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he was using a pen name, and what was the
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pen name? William Shakespeare?
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Am I correct in believing that my memory serves me correct?
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That he wrote approximately thirty five to forty plays and
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then in somewhere between one hundred and fifty five to
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one hundred and sixty sonnets and two long narratives.
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Right, yes, yes, he was incredibly prolific and all of
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very high quality. You know, you know, this man had
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about a seventeen thousand word vocabulary. The next writer of
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the dramatist of the period would be Christopher Marlow. For
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the breadth of his vocabulary, he had seven thousand. So
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he was really I mean, he was an extraordinary individual,
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and yet no one claimed to have known him during
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his lifetime, so there's always silence around him. That's the problem.
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Okay, our researchers came up with this on Shakespeare. At
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the age of eighteen, Shakespeare married twenty six year old
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Anne Hathaway the Conservatory Court of the Diocese of Worcester
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issued a marriage license on November twenty seventh, fifteen eighty two.
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The next day, two of Hathaway's neighbors posted bonds guaranting
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that no lawful claims impeded the marriage. The ceremony may
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have been and arranged in some haste, since the Worcester
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Chancellor allowed the marriage bands to be read once instead
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of the usual three times, and six months after the
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marriage and gave birth to a daughter, Susanne I, baptized
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the twenty sixth of May fifteen eighty three. Twin sons
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Hamnet and daughter Judith followed almost two years later and
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were baptized on the second of February fifteen eighty five.
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Hamitt died of an unknown cause at the age of
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eleven and was buried eleven August fifteen ninety six. It
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seems that there's plenty of references to Shakespeare.
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There are, but none of them are of relevance to
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writing or education. That's the problem.
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So what are we saying here?
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The thing that's not normally noted is that the Stratford
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man's parents were illiterate, and so were his children. So
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this again is a disconnect between what you would expect
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of someone of such a high knowledge and prolific being
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prolific in literature.
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All right, So why would history lie to us?
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Well, that's the ultimate question, you know, the disconnected. But
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what makes us believe that the Trafferman was the great?
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Shakespeare was from a book that was published in sixteen
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twenty three. Today we call it Shakespeare's Firstfolio, but it
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is actually a collection of thirty six Shakespeare place and
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there are about fifteen or sixteen opening pages where there
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are tributes to Shakespeare. And there's also that famous face
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engraving supposedly of Shakespeare. And in one poem to Shakespeare
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there's a reference to Stratford monuments, and then on another
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poem by another poet is a reference to Avon. So
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you have Avon in one section and Stratford on another,
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but Strafford upon Avon. Nowhere is that in those opening pages.
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So that is basically always got to point to Stratford
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upon Avon. And but there just so happened to be
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somebody named William Shakespeare from Strafford upon Avon. Isn't that
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a coincidence? The other evidence that a professor will tell
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you is that, oh, well, there's a monument to him
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in the Stratford upon Avon Church. Well, if you look
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at early reproductions, you know, during this period in the
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sixteen hundreds, of what the monument look like, it's totally
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different from what the monument we have today. The first
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monument was a man with an effigy of a man
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holding a sack, and in today's monument it's a man
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whose arm is resting on a pillow holding a pen.
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So something happened there too.
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But what about his friends that were well known and
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who collaborate the existence of William Shakespeare, the playwright, the author,
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the poet. John Hemmings and Henry Condell, you know, they
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were two fellow actors of Shakespeare's They published a more
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definitive text known as the First Folio, and they have
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a lot of you know, why would they lie about
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this man that didn't exist.
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That's a great question that it can be partially answered
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in that cee. Hemmings and Condell, they were actors of
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the period. And they signed two letters in the First Folio,
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the book I was describing to you. One was to
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be patrons of the book and one was the letter
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to the reader. And they signed their names Hemming and condall. Unfortunately,
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it's been known for over two hundred years and accepted
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by scholars that it was actually Ben Johnson, a writer
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of the Periodramatist, who wrote their letters. So that's kind
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of a first indication that we've got a hoax here.
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Well, what about his children? What about the marriage certificate?
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Has anybody done any research in to see if that
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there's any any doubt to the to the the wedding certificate,
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to the birth certificates of the children.
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No, I mean, I wouldn't doubt those things at all.
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I mean they see. The thing is there are two different,
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two different men with two different lives, you know, but
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at artist whose life was hidden and the other one
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is the Strafford man.
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You know, it's it's conspiracy theories are always fascinating, But
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what we find in every conspiracy theory is it's just
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a theory because there are no direct ties in this
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theory to say beyond a shadow of a doubt. Unless
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I'm missing something here that the William Shakespeare that we
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know about in that history teaches us about is not
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the person who he was.
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Well, i'd it's really an unproven theories I mentioned because
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the only evidence that we have of writing or education
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happened you know, anything tying that to the Strafford Man
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happened after he died. It's not during his lifetime. We
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don't have any evidence of his education. Would they have
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just assumed that he went to the grammar school in
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Strafford on Avam. But they don't have proof. Those records
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don't survive unfortunately, So really it is an unproven theory
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that the Strafford Man was a great author.
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His father, what do we know about his father.
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That we could use, was John Shackspurg. Actually the name
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was pronounced. If you look in the documents of the period,
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the name was pronounced shakspeare with a short a. It
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was rarely spelled. Like the great author Shakespeare, he was
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a wolf trader.
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And he was a wolf.
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He was a wolf, a trader in wool, perhaps in
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making gloves.
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He wasn't an alderman.
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And yeah, he was an alderman at one point, yes,
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But as I mentioned, the monument to Shakespeare in the
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in the church is a man holding a sack, and
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it could very well have been, you know, a sack
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of cotton, you know, or not cotton, But the wool.
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Could have been a sack filled with cats, a sack
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filled with garments, a sack filled with manuscripts, a sack
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filled with poems.
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Right, good, well, it doesn't look like paper.
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All right.
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we're talking about William Shakespeare To Thine own self be True,
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and we're trying to decide whether or not William Shakespeare
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was the great person that many people believe he is,
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or is he someone else? If you'd like more information
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on Katherine, her website is ww dot Shakespeare Suppressed dot com.
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What about the people who believe that he actually went
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to what's the name of that school again, Craig.
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H.
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King's New School in Stratford.
483
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:26.639
Right, It's very possible that he did go to the school,
484
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:32.320
but there are no records of that time that survived
485
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.519
to prove it, well, that going to the grammar school
486
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:40.280
isn't enough for somebody of Shakespeare's unbelievable breath of knowledge
487
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:41.840
and education.
488
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:42.800
But what happens.
489
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:46.440
What happens if he was a savant well versed in everything.
490
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.840
What happens if he had been reincarnated, like so many
491
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:53.079
people believe that people who are reincarnated come back with
492
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:54.199
a wealth of information.
493
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:59.199
Well, there's a lot of learning. And you I mean,
494
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.639
you can be a genius, like with numbers and things
495
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.920
like that, but to you know, no French and Italian,
496
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:10.440
I mean that implied some sort of being taught. He
497
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:14.480
also knew it was very familiar with European geography, specific places,
498
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:18.480
and yet there's no evidence that the Straffordman ever left
499
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:23.320
the you know, England to go into the continent. And
500
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:27.639
he had knowledge of the aristocracy and things that just
501
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:35.320
a non ran highly ranked person would know, and I
502
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.559
mean he knew the law on top of it. In fact,
503
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:41.760
that is what got Mark Twain, who he was using
504
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:45.639
a pen name Samuel Clemens, that got him interested in
505
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.719
this controversy, and he wrote a book about it called
506
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:52.760
is Shakespeare Dead? He did brote that in sixteen oh nine, sorry,
507
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:57.159
nineteen oh nine, you know you have to. They had
508
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:01.079
law schools back then, and we also have the records
509
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:03.280
of people who attend in law school and there are
510
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.840
no William Shakespeare's there. We also have the records of
511
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.360
the universities, and there's no William Shakespeare there.
512
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:11.599
Well, how do we know that there are no records?
513
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:14.679
Who's actually gone through each and every school, each and
514
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.239
every each and every law school, each and every university
515
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:23.440
to see if William Shakespeare was actually there.
516
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:28.079
The records are out there, and scholars have looked, and
517
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.280
you know they scholars have been combing all sorts of
518
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:37.239
records to find anything, anything of relevance about the great
519
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:39.880
Shakespeare's life, and they just are coming up with nothing.
520
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:44.199
I mean, there is no play manuscript in the handwriting
521
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.400
of Shakespeare. I mean, as you mentioned though, over almost
522
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:51.119
forty plays and all these sonnets, how come there's not
523
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:55.320
one letter, you know, signed William Shakespeare to somebody.
524
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:58.119
Maybe that's what he had to have.
525
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.320
Written a letter. We have letters that have survived by
526
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.960
other people who were not famous, many many many in
527
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:08.880
England have survived in diaries and things like that. We
528
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:10.159
don't have anything like that.
529
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:12.400
But I will bet you, I will bet you there
530
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:17.199
are a lot of people who are well known in
531
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:21.639
history that if we take a magnifying glass to their
532
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:26.119
life we would find a lot of consistent inconsistencies as well,
533
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:28.639
and a lot of missing documentation. So in the big
534
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:36.719
realm of things, if William Shakespeare wasn't William Shakespeare, besides
535
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:41.519
the fact that it's a it's another fallacy within the
536
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:47.320
educational system. How does that What difference does it make
537
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:48.920
in the life of a human being today?
538
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:56.760
Well, to know who the real author was will help
539
00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:00.920
us understand the works better. I mean, there's already a
540
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.280
little bit of a barrier because they're so you know,
541
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.760
we've got the language they spoke slightly differently back then.
542
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:15.559
But there are so many life reflections in the works
543
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:20.519
right now they can't connect with the strap for man's
544
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.400
known life. Anything in the works that is like a
545
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:29.159
little bit of a you know, autobiography or anything. And
546
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:34.119
if you look at Shakespeare's sonnets, they are one hundred
547
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.599
and fifty four fourteen line poems, and most of them
548
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:41.119
are written in the first person, and they're extremely personal,
549
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:45.039
and they tell you a lot about he tells us
550
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.440
about himself, and he does tell us in a way
551
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:54.320
that he is highly rained. Like he says in Sonos
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00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:58.880
sixty two, methinks no face so gracious is as mine.
553
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.039
And gracious was a term that you applied to someone
554
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:06.039
who was like a duke or somebody who can hire
555
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.840
a prince or a king, that term, and he is
556
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:14.320
saying that his face is gracious. He's also said where
557
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:18.440
it ought to me, I bore the canopy with my extern,
558
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.639
the outward honoring that's on it one twenty five. The
559
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.199
only person who would have the privilege of bearing a
560
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:29.000
canopy over the monarch, and that's what it meant to
561
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:32.159
bear the canopy, would be somebody who is highly ranked
562
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:36.800
or very distinguished. So you know, these are little subtle
563
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.039
clues if you look in the sonnets which were in
564
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:44.400
the pervers person indicating he was somebody who was highly ranked.
565
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:48.159
You know, it's no secret that you know, since about
566
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:51.880
two hundred and thirty years after Shakespeare's death, people began
567
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:57.159
to actually wonder about the authorship that was attributed to him,
568
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.679
you know. And I know that others were opposed as
569
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.719
alternative candidates. That included Francis Bacon, Christopher Marlowe, just to
570
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.119
name a couple as well as the seventeenth ar Old
571
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:15.440
of Oxford. However, there's only a very small minority of
572
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:19.000
academics that believe there is reason to question the traditional
573
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:25.639
attribution and to question the existence of the William Shakespeare
574
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:31.440
that is known. So I don't understand the importance if
575
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:36.320
there's only a very small minority that are still questioning
576
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:38.079
if it was William Shakespeare or not.
577
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:45.119
Yeah, they don't question, in my opinion, perhaps because they're
578
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:49.639
either not aware that there is so little evidence connecting
579
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.639
this track from them to writing a education, either they
580
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:57.559
don't know about that, or they just still prefer the
581
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.920
status quo. They don't want to upset, you know, because
582
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:03.119
if it was proven that it really was a pen
583
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:07.599
name for someone else, you know, their their papers and
584
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:11.559
their books, and you know, reputation, and it's not going
585
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:12.599
to be that great, all right.
586
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.840
So if William Shakespeare wasn't this person's real name, Let's
587
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:22.039
say William Shakespeare was a pen name. There are other
588
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:25.119
there are other authors out there even to today, they
589
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:29.119
use pen names. And you, just like you said, Mark
590
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:34.559
Twain was a pen name. And my question is what
591
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:35.719
difference does this make?
592
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:43.199
Well, we're going to understand the works so much better
593
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.840
if we have the real author. We have a real biography,
594
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:49.800
if you accept the Earl of Oxford, he's got a
595
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:55.599
fantastic biography that fits the profile of the great author
596
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:59.880
to a t. And you know he went to cam
597
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.880
when he was eight years old. He really was, you know,
598
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:08.079
a child prodigy. Sure his father he grew up with
599
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:10.639
a troop of actors. His father had actors.
600
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:12.719
Okay, it evolved in the theater.
601
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:14.320
I mean we have all that, all right.
602
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.960
So if you're saying that we don't know very much
603
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.639
about the real William Shakespeare, and this is what we're saying, right.
604
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:24.000
Right, we don't.
605
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:28.480
We don't, Yes, okay, if you if you're looking at
606
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:30.599
the Stratford man, we have very little.
607
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:34.000
Okay, so we have very we have theater, We have
608
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:39.760
very little to go on. Does that mean it's not real?
609
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:44.079
Does that really mean that he did not exist? Does
610
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:48.840
that really mean just just a secure Does that really
611
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:53.199
mean that this person is not who we believe it
612
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:58.480
is because we cannot find the information. Yes, we're talking
613
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:01.800
three hundred years ago, but.
614
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:04.400
We do have many, many records of that period that
615
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.079
have survived, and there should.
616
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:08.679
Have been, and I'm sure there are many many records
617
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:09.840
that did not survive.
618
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:12.920
That's true too.
619
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.519
So what proof I'm not talking just a second, I'm
620
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:19.239
not talking. Oh wait a second, hold on here, hold
621
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:23.119
on here, I'm not I'm not asking about theories. I'm
622
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:29.000
not asking about possibilities. I'm saying, what proof? What physical
623
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:33.920
evidence is there that the William Shakespeare of Stratford is
624
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.199
not the William Shakespeare of Stratford that we think we know.
625
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.480
There were two people named William Shakespeare during this period.
626
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.519
There was a Strafford man who was involved in the theater, okay,
627
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.159
and there was a man using a pen name William Shakespeare.
628
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:55.039
There are two different entities. But there's no but come on,
629
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:59.800
there's no there's no documentary evidence that connects the strat
630
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:03.599
Shakespeare to writing or education.
631
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.119
There is no that's a must. There is no There
632
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:11.400
is nothing that has been found. That doesn't mean it
633
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.840
doesn't exist. It just hasn't been found.
634
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:15.320
Maybe well, here's one.
635
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:16.400
Maybe it was destroyed.
636
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:20.480
When the Stratford man died in sixteen sixteen, no one
637
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:26.159
said a word. When Edmund Spencer, a famous poet during
638
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:30.559
the same time period, died in fifteen ninety nine. There
639
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:34.880
was a huge funeral. It was paid for by the
640
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:38.679
Earl of Essex and he was buried in Westminster Abbey.
641
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:43.679
The same with Ben Johnson. He was buried in Westminster Abbey.
642
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:47.400
He had many tributes when he died. How Come one
643
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:51.079
of the most famous writers of the period and respected.
644
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:54.480
How is it that his death passed with no one
645
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.880
saying a word? So these are all but you know
646
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.840
the problems with the authorship of Strafford Man.
647
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.840
What about when Howard Hughes died, a very influential man,
648
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:09.079
a very industrial man, a man who did a lot.
649
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:12.719
You know, nobody really stopped to give a second chance,
650
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:17.880
a second look to him. So that doesn't improve anything
651
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:18.079
to me.
652
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:24.239
Well, if you didn't look at how contemporaries treated writers,
653
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:29.159
you know, who were respected, it is unusual. And there's
654
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:33.480
another interesting thing is, as I mentioned, there was a
655
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.760
lampooning of Lord Burley, who was one of the most
656
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.360
powerful men in England. How come the Straffordman didn't go
657
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:45.840
to jail. Also, the play Richard the Second was That's
658
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:50.760
a Shakespeare play that was performed the night before the
659
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:55.400
Essex Rebellion. They used that play to sort of get
660
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.880
people into in the mood of deposing a monarch. Now,
661
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.360
why wasn't the writer of this play arrested? So you know,
662
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.000
there's many things like that.
663
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:08.000
But what about the will?
664
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.199
Add them all up? It's problematic.
665
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.280
What about his will? The will that was signed by
666
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.639
William Shakespeare and that was read when he went on
667
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:21.719
April twenty third, sixteen sixteen, when he died at the
668
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:22.559
age of fifty two.
669
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:23.840
What about that?
670
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:27.760
Yes, yeah, Interestingly, there's no books mentioned in the will,
671
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.679
and books were very expensive items back then. There's no
672
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:36.679
mention of theater shares, nothing that would connect. You could
673
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:40.840
read this will with other normal people of the period
674
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.000
who are not writers, and you're not going to find
675
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.599
you know, there's nothing in there that indicates he was
676
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:45.960
a writer.
677
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:48.199
All right, listen, we've got to take our final break
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Explanation. Catherine Chilijan is our special guest this hour. Shakespeare
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Suppress dot Com is her website, and she's the author
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of Shakespeare Suppressed. You know, this almost sounds like the
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story of Jesus Christ, because no, there's no documentation to
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prove that he actually existed. There's nothing that talks about
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that is written about in any of the New Testament
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about his childhood years. So we could actually say the
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same thing about Jesus that we're saying about about Shakespeare.
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Right.
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Well, you know, like in some ways, but we have
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a lot more records. Let's put it that way.
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You've got a lot more believers. Yah, you've got a
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lot more believers too. I'm having a problem with with
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the lack of facts. There's a lot of coincidence here.
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I'll give you that, there's a lot of coincidence, but
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when it comes to the facts, when it comes to
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all right, let's say he didn't exist, So what the work?
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Whoever did it? Is great? No one around the world.
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Well, let me clarify that I'm not saying that he
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didn't exist. He existed, but there were just two people,
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two different individuals with that name there are who were
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involved in the theater.
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Okay, I'm going to I'll give you an example. I'll
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give you an example. Right now, there are four Rob
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McConnell's that are in the Canadian media.
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Wow, that's a great example.
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Okay, So and yet I don't I talked to one
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of them on the phone. I don't know. The others
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were not related. They live in different parts of Canada.
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But I am Rob McConnell.
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Yes, so it's the same thing. There were two William
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Shakespeare's involved in the theater at the same time.
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And how do you know why?
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It's so confusing?
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So who's to blame here? Is it William Shakespeare? Who's
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to blame here? Is that William Shakespeare the one that
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we know that? Who who perpetrated some deceiving plot? What's
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what's what's the end game?
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Yes, the combination the great author being a man who
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was highly ranked. You you don't want credit during your lifetime,
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so that that was the reason he was silent during
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his lifetime. But after one's death, if you, you know,
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if you had works to publish, it would be okay
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to do that if your family wanted to chose to
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and that was the perfect opportunity. But maybe the family
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some reason they didn't do this.
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Maybe maybe the family sold the the the rights to
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the place and the family for some reason. Maybe they
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needed money. I don't know, but we can see this.
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There is also the fault on the Strafford Man's family too,
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and his neighbors. Why didn't they say that he was
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the great Author? Why didn't they mention it? Why didn't
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they make reminiscence reminencences?
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Maybe they didn't want to. Maybe that was hit one
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of the wishes that he wanted. He didn't want this
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extra hooplaw. I don't know, But we can say the
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same thing about many other characters in history, many others.
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But you also have to look what contemporary writers were
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writing about the Great Author during this time period, his contemporaries,
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and they were saying, by inference, and this is the
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whole chapter in my book, that he was a man
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who was highly ranked, that he wrote anonymously, that he
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wrote as a hobby, that by praising him will stain
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his name. You know that he was dead by sixteen
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oh five to sixteen oh on. We have several references,
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so we do have to look at what people in
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the know, who were you know, in the writing world.
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Listen, that's about him.
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Here we are in the year twenty seventeen, and will
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still believe that Elvis is alive. People still believe that
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John F. Kennedy is alive and a bunker in the
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White House. So a conspiracy theory, it's a belief based
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on a hypothesis, not based on fact.
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Well, my book gives facts, fact after facts.
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We'll give me some facts. Points, give me some facts.
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I haven't heard any facts yet.
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Well, here here's one in sixteen forty, a book of
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shakespeare poems, and this is, you know, decades after the
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Strafford man had died, and there was an the image
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of the well known image of an engraving of Shakespeare
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that we would know, and they reproduced that image, and
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underneath it there was this line and it says, this
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shadow is renowned Shakespeare's with a question mark, the soul
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of the age with a question mark.
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Okay, So this is.
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Someone in sixteen forty, not too long after the Strafferman
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had died, questioning the man in the first folio that
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image that is really the author. So it's not just
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the last two hundred years. There's been questioning since sixteen forty.
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So where's the proof?
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Also, Well, these are all little bits and pieces that
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come together very nicely. Also, in sixteen forty, somebody wrote
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to Shakespeare in a book and anonymously written a line Shakespeare,
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we must be silent in thy praise? Why why should
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we be silent?
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You know so?
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And yet if you look at that line, you are
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praising Shakespeare, right, But they're saying we must be silent
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in praising you. Well, maybe Shakespeare was not the real
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name of the author. So they are being silent in
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praise is braise.
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They're not saying the real author's name. So these are
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all things that make one doubt. And you know, okay,
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website is doubt about will dot org. And you can
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see many people, Supreme Court justices and actors and people
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with doctorates in every other field saying that there is
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reason to doubt that the Strapperman was a great author.
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And yet nobody can prove any evidence to substantiate the claims.
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Because there's a reason we can't part.
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The Strapperman was the great author. Either. That's irony.
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Yes, that's not irony. That's tit for tat yep, tit
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for doubt yep. But once again, looking at the big
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picture twenty seventeen, how is this information going to change
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my life. How is this information going to make this
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a better world? How is this information going to help
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with climate control? How is this information going to stop
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the problems with isis? How is this information going to
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stop the diseases that are plaguing this Who cares?
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It's just a matter of the truth. And for people
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who love Shakespeare, they're going to love him even more
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when they finally have a biography to connect him.
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So what happens if the truth that what happens if
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the information that everybody has now on Shakespeare is the
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truth and that this conspiracy theory was just invented by
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people who were envious of Shakespeare.
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Well, I mean it's it's the predominating theory right now,
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so no one's going to get hurt.
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Well, it's a theory that, according to statistics, isn't shared
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by very many people in academia.
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It is shared by people, It's.
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Just shared people.
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In the English departments. They're the ones