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Hold she was a guardian, too old, raised.
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And a no where we go?
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All right, give me a count from one to five please, Craig.
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One, two, three, four.
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Five, Craig, are you still there?
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Yes?
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Yeah, I'm just getting it back for the Ontario thing
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you said.
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Ah, looks like you got some of that starting radiation
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on your brains.
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Mm hmmm, mm hmm.
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The neon. So you do a pretty good impression of
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a neon song.
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Okay, Oh, you know the routine. So no sense and
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where the hell is I'm missing one thing here?
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Oh so after the ex so.
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Okay, and when does it air? It's not it's not live.
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This will lurk tomorrow night at ten o'clock.
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So you're always like a day ahead. That's a little
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more peaceful than live.
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Yeah, because you never know what happens.
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Eh, I'll tell you.
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Just get these weird guests like Craig Weber, who knows.
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Yeah, he's a real weird All.
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It's from the internet. Strange, strange Quebecker.
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All Ray, Okay, that's.
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That's coming through Claire.
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Okay, so we're going to put that.
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We're just going to leave that there, all d ray.
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Al Right, Okay, yay, we've got everything up and running.
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All right.
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Yeah, I got your sound bites anyway, pardon you got
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your sound bites anyways? On the email I SENTIA, there's
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some bumper, but yeah, it'd be hard to find now
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they could search for the title. I think it says
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helpful information for upcoming shows December twenty eighth.
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I think I don't have access to the to the
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email in the studio.
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System. Did email means said see you on the thirtieth?
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Yeah, just give me a second here, buddy, you have
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to check into that one two three four five? Can
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you give me a one two three four five? Quick?
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One two, three four or five?
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All right, don't yell what two three four? Okay? Stand
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by fourteen seconds?
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All Henry.
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Welcome to the X Zone, a place where fact is
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fiction and fiction is reality. Now here's your host, Rob McConnelly.
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In the heart of the night, where are the shadowss playing?
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On the X Zone? We gather Come what May with
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Rob McConnell guiding us through the dark, searching for truth hidden,
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igniting the spark whispers of spirits, both gentle and bold
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tales of the ancients in the stories retold from haunted
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old houses to the echo in halls. We seek the unknown,
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where Misterry calls on the exone Radio, where the truth
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finds away through the.
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Stories of and good evening, one and all, and welcome
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back to the Xona and to everyone just tuning in.
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Happy new year. This is our first show of the
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new year. And to one and all, I hope that
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you know you had great Christmas holidays and that you
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fully enjoyed yourself. You ate like crazy, but you know,
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here we go to January twenty twenty six, and this
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is when we all start our diets again. And of
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course you're listening to us on your hometown radio, Classic
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twelve twenty cfajaam right here in Saint Catherine streaming us
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at Classic twelve twenty dot CA. My guest this hour
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Craig Webb. He is a researcher, he is a musician,
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he is a filmmaker, he is a dreams specialist. And Craig,
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welcome back to the Xcell and happy New Year to you,
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my friend, and the very best in the new year.
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Thank you very much. Rob. I love the new theme music.
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There you got some custom music for the show.
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Oh yeah, yeah, you know we're just getting ready for
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this brand new season that we're in. And so how
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are your holidays? How are things in Montreal?
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Well, I spent a little bit of my pre holidays
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actually in Florida, enjoying some of the warmer weather, and
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that was great. I got to see dolphins pretty much
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every day. So that's my little break before the break here.
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But in Montreal, it's great. My family's here, some friends,
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some holiday cheer, you know, and then lots of snow.
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We did have a white Christmas. I guess you didn't
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really get much there, right.
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which is really cool because I don't know, it seems
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the older you get, the less snow you really want
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to have to put up with in your life. So,
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you know, I'm just kind of happy that, you know,
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for kids, Christmas is for kids, right, And Laura and
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usually do, and I don't know, without the kids around,
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you know, we saw the kids over the holidays, don't
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get me. Yeah, sure, you know, the tearing up of
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the pre since in the morning, you know, and the excitement,
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it's just not there with children without children.
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Well, do you watch your dreams. It's kind of a
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topical thing, but Christmas morning or New Year's morning, sometimes
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there's big sort of trailer kind of style dreams for
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the year or for the for the vacation.
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and I've just been super busy getting ready for everything
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that's going to be new, thrilling and exciting in this year. Okay,
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So yeah, by the time I get to bed, I'm
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just so tired. I crash for four or five hours,
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and then my day starts all over again.
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So there you go.
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That's life here in the exit, and I.
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Go to sleep, my day starts. But that's the other me.
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You know what.
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That makes a lot of sense because there are those
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people who actually believe that their reality is in the
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dream state, and this what we call reality in our wakings,
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you know, in our waking hours, is to them the
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other world.
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Yeah, imagine when we fall asleep, some part of us,
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let's say, weights up and go with that was a
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weird dream talking with this guy Rob on the radio,
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and it could be as much as that. Personally, I
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think there's more than one station. Obviously, stay tuned to
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the X zone. But on the bigger dial of life,
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there's lots of stations. Life is one dreams or other.
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Probably there's deeper states too.
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Yeah, quite possible, Quite possible. With everything that's going on
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in the world today. You know, you've got President Trump
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who just invaded Venezuela and now he's talking about invading
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let me see Cuba, Colombia taking over Greenland and apparently Canada.
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Canada is in his sites as well and Greenland Yeah, Greenland? Yeah? Wow?
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How does this How does all this news that we're
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getting inundated with seven twenty four, three sixty five, how
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does that affect our dream state?
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whatever is going on in our life, and some of
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this news is pretty upsetting, especially for that it's Venezuelan.
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it certainly shows up as kind of like mass media
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on the inner levels. In other words, a lot of
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people start dreaming of it when we have big cultural events,
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and you might be interested rob when there's a let's say,
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significantly emotional impact event like a September eleventh of Hilway
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or something really upsetting with probably a lot of unfortunately
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a lot of like death that people dream quite a bit,
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like a number of people dream such events ahead. So
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pre cogs sort of like Minority Report. Do you remember
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that film?
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No? No, I don't tell me.
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About that's a really good one. Wow. If listeners or
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you haven't seen that, check out Minority Report. I'm dating
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myself a little because I think it's about twenty five
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years old. But Tom Cruise, I think it might be Spielberg.
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in short, it's a super guy who has these pre
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cog dreamers who are sort of I guess, people that
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have been put into these little baths to optimize their
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intuition or their dreaming, and they can tune into death
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so that he can operate a pre crime division and
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they arrest and they stop murders before they happen because
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they had precogs working for them. Oh that's I mean,
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it's very cool, but it's well done. I mean, I
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mean sci fi Hollywood. But the actual sort of I guess,
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let's say the psychic physics, if you want to say,
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is actually pretty accurate of how they can tune in
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and they get a little hints and then I won't
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ruin the film, but there's a big They start with
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three precogs and then it sort of ends up as
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one and then two others, and they sort there's something
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very important about sort of all the precogs getting along
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or not on certain visions.
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How has the interpretation of dreams changed over the years, Craig.
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Oh, that's a good one. I don't know if I'm
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too qualified to answer about that. I can say one
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interesting fact related to that that there has been some
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research to show that the color dreams I guess people
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say technicolor, but be careful of it. That's a trademark
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has come more commonly in some research that has been
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done over I guess centuries here, more common since the
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advent of the television with color. So that's one factor.
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As for, you know, the cultural influences, for sure, that
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changes the whole dreaming psyche of a nation. Sometimes dreams
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actually play out most of our daily concerns and most
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of our things we really wish, like wish example nineteen
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you know, I guess second World War, maybe first World War.
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We can't really talk about all our issues out in
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public because it could result in being arrested or worse.
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So a lot of things go under and they pop
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out in dreams and of course nightmares or whatever. Some
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of the artists actually be surprised. I updated my book
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if you remember the dreams behind the music? Yeah, And
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there's a lot of artists in the last two three
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years I think since the pandemic probably had a big
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influence who've been having like nightmares, night terrors, terrors and
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getting huge, huge fan bases based on songs about that.
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You know you ever heard of Billie Eilish. No, she's
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one of the younger crowd here, but fifty billion streams
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so that's big, you know, as everybody in the world
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times you know, eight seven seven streams per person here,
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and it's all about nightmare, sleep, terrorist, sleep, paralysis. Where
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do I go when We Fall asleep?
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That's her album, Where do We Go and We fall Asleep?
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That's a good question. What would you say what happens
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after like waking Craig closes his eyes or waking robson
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he sleeps? Okay, what does your spirit, your psyche, your consciousness,
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head anywhere do you have? I mean, you remember dreams
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and have experiences, so you have some view on it.
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Yeah, I used her, But like I, like I was
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saying earlier in this segment, because of the amount of
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work that we are undergoing here at Realmar, not only
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with our radio division or public mashing division, our digital division,
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but our radio division end and the growth of the
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radio network. By the time I get home, I'm just
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so pooped. I just lay down and crash for four
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or five hours, and then it's up again, take the
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dog out for the walk, have my coffee, and back
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the work.
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Well, let's work with that, because a lot of people
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will have that same challenge or they just don't really
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realize that there could be value in getting kind of
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what I call the download or the harvest from the
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night dreams. But do you ever fall asleep, let's say,
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working on a problem, the business problem, client relationship problem,
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or anything, and then wake up with the answer. So
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of sleep on it, because even that is dreams percolating
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into our thoughts just when we wake up.
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I used to Craig, I used to buy those days
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are gone.
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You know, Well, maybe I'm going to take tonight and
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incubator sleep on how to get rob some a little
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bit more spaciousness.
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No, no, there's a great idea. And listen, Craig, has
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anyone ever connected with a person through dreams?
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Oh?
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Thanks, Well, I think most people will say yes to that.
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If if we say in the general sense, because about
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eighteen ninety percent of people have dreams with the department.
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So that's probably, if you kind of tune into all
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variations of it, the most widely worldwide theme. Even though
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I know before five or ten years ago I said
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flying was the biggest, Actually departed is bigger if you
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take the variations. So that's a general statistic about people
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who remember dreams. Ninety percent or so have dreams that departed.
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But an interesting personal story is my recent whole film
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as one example among many others, Like all these artists
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who write the I guess the nightmare songs or whatever
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and dreams of bandmates who come to them. I dreamt
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of my deceased dad when I was, you know, having
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a really tough time after he passed on, maybe four
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years ago, just before COVID, or actually at the start
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of COVID, and you know, a really tough time. But
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I guess the dream came and he said, let's go
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catch some big fish. And obviously I work with dreams,
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so I noted the dream, but I didn't really have
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a rod. I was in Hawaii, but I wasn't going
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to go deep sea fishing. I didn't know. I left
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it in the kind of inbox that day. But later
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in the day I was out just practicing with my
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new drone and I saw the whales spout out over
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in front of Keihy actually, which I think you know about, Ye,
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a huge spoom from the I think it's the what
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did the whales there? The humpbacks maybe about two kilometers out,
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And then the dream came right at that moment I
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remembered it, Oh, catch big fish on video, not just
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like with a line, you know. And then I, you know,
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had to face a little fear barrier. Long story short,
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I flew my drone out about a kilometer or two,
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got some amazing footage of whales. You know, it could
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have turned into a submarine, or I could have had
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the wind change or something bad and lost five hundred bucks.
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But in this case, I got amazing footage that led
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to this film that I think be living in the ocean.
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It's not available publicly yet, but it's gone about twenty
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wards and festivals, in fact in LA recently just before
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Christmas in Hollywood, it actually won the Grand Jury Award
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and beat out two hundred plus films for the whole festival.
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So it's like, wow, there's some kind of intrinsic. Usually,
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I think a gift is one way to say it,
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or let's say value to when a deceased visits us,
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if we act on it, if we take the advice.
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In this case, I was lucky enough to sort of
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download the dream, act on it, and it seems to
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be touching people.
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Craig, what's the website? Listeners can check out all that
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you do? Oh?
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Sure, well if they want to learn about my personal
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I guess session speaking and all that, Craig web dot ca.
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If they want to see more artists site edutainer dot
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ca and the book Dreams Behind the Music dot com.
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Greg and I will be back on the other side
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of this break as the Xzone continues with yours truly,
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Rob McCall from our broadcast center in studios in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada,
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and you're listening to us on the Talk Star Radio
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Network Mutual Broadcast Network. The Xon Broadcast Network, and of course,
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on your hometown radio, Classic twelve twenty c f AJAM
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screaming us right here in Saint Catharine's on Classic twelve
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twenty dot CA.
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With a haunting hellody.
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The air begins to throw an echo the wonders that
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from beyond have come.
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Celestial encounter as the stars a line, a tapestry of
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wonders woven through space and time from the void of
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darkness of chorusing so bright, the story is unfolding in
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the velvet night.
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Alright, give me a second.
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Wow, I like that.
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Thank you? Are you commissioning artists or no?
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I brought you that?
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Did it?
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Oh? My god?
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That's great?
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Yeah, No, I write, I write all the bumpers.
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Now and who did it? Who sang it?
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I have no No, I have a whole bunch of
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independent artists that I've worked with over the years. Okay, wow,
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I like it, Thank you. Okay, stand by, We're coming
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down in fifteen seconds. Me a second story set, Okay,
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here we go. Fifteen seconds.
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Mm hmmm.
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Fastening nine on Gate Street, the signal humes low, statics alive,
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and the shadows glow through the glass of the control room. Door,
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something whispers we've been here before. Oh pushta seco your
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size red on nails like flickers and dives through the hallways, chill, creeps.
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Deep, c k T be never sleeps, go s y street.
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Calling money.
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Money lost in the flame a welcome back everyone. Are
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you a skeptic or are you a believer? Send me
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your email x on at x on radio, TV dot
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com and tell me what you think. Tell me about
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your dreams. Tell me if you have had that dream
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where you're flying, or if you've had a dream within
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a dream within a dream within a dream, or how
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about that dream where you're standing in front of a
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group of people and you are bear naked and Craig,
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what do those dreams mean?
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Some of these archetype ones, right Rob, I think you
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picked on four of the worldwide themes, right, Well, one
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big one the naked will go people go, what naked? Yeah,
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that's actually about let's say a third of people have it.
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And what they'll usually notice in that dream, not one
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hundred percent, but let's say ninety percent of the people
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who do have it is the other people in the
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dream aren't noticing or really caring that we the dreamer
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is walking around naked or sometimes scantily dressed. And the
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lesson which most of these themes, these recurring dream themes
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have is in this case, hey, I'm feeling kind of
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self conscious, really kind of exposed, let's say a little
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bit about something. But whatever, the scenario of the dream
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is showing that actually nobody else is thinking that, so
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don't worry about.
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It in a dream. And is it possible that the people,
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for example, in the dream where you're standing in front
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of our group of people naked, that the people or
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some of the people, maybe one or two of the
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people are actually dreamers from another who are actually having
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the dream of you standing there being.
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Naked like a spy who's coming in your dream?
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Yeah, something like that.
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Well, now we're moving into inception. Do you remember that
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film Noe with e Leonardo DiCaprio and some of the
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other great actors there.
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I very rarely watch movies, my friend, I just don't.
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Okay, Well, that's a Christopher Nolan classic. Really, Now, it's
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a classic I think fifteen years or so that you
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can see, first of all, dream within a dream, you
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can see dreams that are sparked or engineered. Now they
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say with technology, and then the one you just said.
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You can affect somebody else, you can see somebody else,
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you can share a space in dreams, then both people
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remember in waking. In this case, it's shown to be possible.
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I've had experiences a little more anecdotal than researched, but
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where there's overlapping dream scenarios, not always the exact dream
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like waking reality, where we'd have like two cameras or
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two viewpoints, but let's say the same theme. In fact,
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any couples or I guess friends, even close friends listening,
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maybe family members, especially twins. Just check a little more
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regularly with your partner or your family member, your twin,
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and you'll see that actually you're very often you're dreaming
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on the same theme or elements or sometimes the exact
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same scene. So it's surprise in common you ever had one,
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never tuned into something like that somebody else shared with
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you later, Oh I dreamt you doing this on this
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actually no? Oh yeah, okay, well that's a little put
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it on the I guess inbox of potential experiments to
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try to get you inspired when you have like one
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minute free, which I don't know when that is.
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Yeah, For example, can can two people actually make make
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a date so to speak, to to meet each other
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in their dreams?
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Yeah?
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Date, Well, I'll first share somebody else's story, because I
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lead students and have coaching clients and classes and things
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online often and to my students really wanted to meet
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and they were learning lucid dreaming, that's what I teach,
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and said one of then, I guess content things of
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how to become conscious in the dream, and one of
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them was getting pretty good, and he remembered in a
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dream that his intention was to visit the other class mate,
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go find something recognizable that he could bring back and
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waking life, and so remember and then check later. So
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in this case, the person became conscious in the dream.
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He went to put his hand on the door, how
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except that I guess the handle came off and it
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wasn't a normal door. It goes that's weird, realized it
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was the dream, and remembered his intention. So in the dream,
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of course, now he flew up across I guess us,
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pretty far across the US in his dream landed in
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the city, which I guess intuitively, somehow the dreamscape knew
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where the other dreamer from the classmate was got the
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street name very close of the street he landed on,
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met the person's father. He later found out that their
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father guided them to the other classmate's house, got the
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address from the door specific number that I won't share again.
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This is all in the dream now, but he's conscious
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in the dream, So Loocid found out some things from
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the hallway and her bedrooms whatever. He sort of said, Hi,
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I can I commandage she was open, not less really
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the bedroom or anything too dark like that, but just
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kind of exploring the house so he could remember, and
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then checked with me privately. I checked with the other classmate,
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and there was about seven very clear hits, including the
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street name, apartment door number. So some specifics to give
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let's say, a loose anecdotal proof, but something that shows
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definitely possible and probably worth exploring more.
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Is there a connection between dreaming and reincarnation, Yeah.
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For sure. I mean, let's say, any non physical sensory
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perceptions which something before or after this physical life will
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fall into that category, fits with dreams perfectly. There's some actual,
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really great videos. I think James Lenninger is one of
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my favorites because it's documented by ABC, the news station
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ABC and James Lenningery can search YouTube. Was a young
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I guess few years two, three, four, five year old
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who kept dreaming of these like World War two planes.
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He named the plane horsehair, he named Iwo Jima. He
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got very clear specifics of where he dreamt of his
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plane going down Japs shot me down, very very clear
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specifics in his dreams and nightmares, I guess, and his
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parents at first were skeptical, but then the dad started
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noting the data and went to check some of the facts,
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which all prove true. Long story short, they sort of
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went to visit the actual place where let's say his
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previous carnation incarnation plane went down. They visited the sister
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who was still alive of his flying mate. So I
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guess sort of a family member who remembered very well,
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certainly the guy who was his flying mate on the mission,
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and who told her, yes, it was specifically where he
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was shot on this side of the plane, just like
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his dream said. So so many specifics that just kind
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of say, okay, it's anecdotal, because they're always going to
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be told. These stories are going to be told from
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some new wakes up from a dream. It's a bit
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hard to actually like get images out of our head.
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But you know, once you get enough anecdotes and statistics
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and some real specifics, you start to say, hey, this
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is worth checking out. And yes it's possible. I guess
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other incarnations bleeding through, especially when we're young, you know,
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first few years of life, and I believe night terrors
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from some of the children can be that too, sort
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of like past life deaths or really strong traumas that
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sort of pushed through into this life a bit.
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When did psychologists and psychiatrists start actually paying attention to
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dreams as a way to better understand of their patient
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and to help their patient work through psychological problems.
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Well, we got the more western recognized Jo Freud, Young
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Fritz Pearls, and some of the I guess early nineteen
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hundred scrab but for many for millennia, in fact, probably
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since the dawn of time, really like Caveman's all the shamans,
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which might be called from their society or tribe, they're
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called the psychologists of the of the society. We're working
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with dreams. In fact, it would be natural for someone
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to come to the shaman to ask them what the
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dream means, what should they do about it and take
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very practical real world actions. It's a little bit lost now,
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but there's still some societies that act regularly daily almost
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on their dreams and share them for us in the West.
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I guess Freud's publication in nineteen oh one of the
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interpretation of dreams sort of moved it a little bit
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into the science of, Hey, this is something we can study,
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we can look at statistically, we can analyze. It's good
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for psycho analysis, et cetera. Then Young came along and
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many others that start to show, and then we had
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the EEGs, you know, the sleep lab recordings, which can
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show when we dream and you can wake people up
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after m cycles and you can actually prove that there's
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this experience going on at certain times in certain phases
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of sleep and stuff. So that kind of ties into
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the Western version of how to understand how it could
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be helpful for people.
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What happens if a person just doesn't dream? Are there
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any psychological problems that they can develop?
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All right, I'm gonna put a little mirror on that
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one to ask you, what if Rob's so busy with
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the show that he doesn't get a chance to dream,
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is that good or well?
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You know, just because I don't remember the dream doesn't
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mean that I don't have one, does it right?
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Very good? So when people say I, you know, kind
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of end quotes their I don't dream, really, they're saying
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that the waking part of me doesn't remember what the
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deeper part of me is experiencing at night, usually during sleep,
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but sometimes half awake states, creative states, daydreams on the
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bus or whatever. So those states might be forgotten quickly,
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but they're definitely happening. If we put electros in wake,
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like Rob up after his two am xome shift, and
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I will see that probably has a little dream lit there.
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I mean, he says, let me go back to sleep.
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So the experiences are coming, for sure.
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But what would happen if someone just did not dream.
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You brought them to this sleep lab and you put
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the sensors on them and you're watching them all night long, nothing,
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and then you say, well, you know what, maybe this
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is just an off one. Let's try it again and
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again in the sleep lab. This person has no dream activity.
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That's a very good one. Well, there's one of my colleagues,
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I think Pagel, Jim Pagel actually found that when they
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really really looked at it. There was about one percent
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of people who even with sleep lab awakenings right after
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like a RAM period of rapidi movement period which should
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be a visual dream, woke up and had zero recall.
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And then they said, Okay, there's sort of one fraction
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of a percent of people who actually don't remember, but
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we can't prove for a fact that they're not having experience.
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They just don't have any connection to the memory of that.
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And then there's a little more known statistically, and this
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is unfortunately a lot more common. But if we have
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a bottle in front of me, or about frontal lobotomy,
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in other words, if we have brain damage or brain
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surgery or lots of alcohol, we actually limit or completely
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remove dreams, depending what part of the brain's affected. So
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it can be physiological too, So the dreaming muscle, let's say,
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the dreaming activity is kind of limited from physiological or
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or I guess for chemical food, alcohol purposes, or certain
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medications too.
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People who were put into medical comas do they dream?
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That's a good one. Well, I gave a talk for
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the World Palliative Care Conference, and some of these things
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are just anecdotal, you know, because the medical coma patient
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are a bit tough. Sometimes they tell stories after I
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think there's a great book now trying to remember something
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Proof of Heaven by one of my colleagues. So I
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speak to Aside who had a huge, long, you know,
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like a week long kind of dream when he was
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in a coma medical coma, and shared the experience happened
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while he was sleep. In other words, he remembered it
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after not exactly asleep, but I guess completely coma toast.
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So that's an anecdotal And certainly there's a medical person
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that I gave in this I described him the talk
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I gave for the World palliad of Care conference where
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the nurse decided, after I think about six months of
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some one of the patients being coma, she was a
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little more shamonic, let's say, believed in some of these things.
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And Craig, we're going to actually take a break. Who
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We're going to have a cliffhanger here. Xnation is our
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special guest, and we'll continue this story on the other
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side of this break as the xone continues with yours truly,
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Rob McConnell from our broadcast center and studio right here
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in St. Catherine's Ontario and you're listening to us on
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the Talk Star Radio Network, Mutual Broadcast Network, XOT Broadcast
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Network and on your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty c
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fajam right here in Sane Catherine's Ontario streaming, I said
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Classic twelve twenty dot cal.
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Last in the flame, from the grid to the they
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rise again. Telling the story is through static and rain
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Bano's wistful Where the signal?
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Please go on a streams.
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Haunting me already it's fifteen seconds starting and now Craig
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got once again, what's your website, buddy?
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Oh good, one is Dreams behind the Music dot com.
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They can reach me and that's the book.
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Okay, so you can piece of paper here.
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Throw that in at the end, or or you can
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ask me about them.
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Oh yeah, okay, we'll do that.
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Sorry, I got a.
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Little long windows right, and you could take that as
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a sort of tease for the.
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Next sure, no problem. Stand by fifteen seconds.
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In the heart of the night, where are the shadowss
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Playing on the X zone, we gather Come what May?
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With Rob McConnell guiding us through the dark, searching for
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truth hidden, igniting the spar whispers of spirits, both gentle
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and bold tales of the ancients in the stories retold
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from haunted old houses is to the echo in halls.
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We seek the unknown, where Mistery call.
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On the.
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Radio, where the truth finds away.
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Craig web is my guest, and Craig continue that fascinating
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story that we had to kind of put into a
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cliffhanger because of the break.
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Yeah.
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Sure, Well, we were talking about maybe coma patients did
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they dream and what did they experience And it's a
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bit hard to get the data out from the coma patient.
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I'll just say one little side research. It's kind of
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interesting because I'd like to throw in a little research.
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There's been a few studies now where we I guess
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an AI kind of bought or program goes through a
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huge number of videos, which is that's how they train
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the AIS, and that they matched it up the videos
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matched up with EEG or let's say brain activity recordings
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usually from the visual portion in the back of the head,
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and that you can start to get like sort of
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like a very weak not high death yet, but a
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week video out Jack, you can start to see some
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of the images because they sort of correlated the brain
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activity with the actual I guess images that the dreamer
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was dreaming. So you can kind of see somebody's dream
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either in real time or after. So that's a little interesting.
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But back to the main story here. So one of
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the nurses was working at a palliative care center, so
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or I guess medical sort of palliative. One of her
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patients actually went into a six months or so coma,
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and eventually, you know, they are trying to decide the
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family do we remove the life support? What's the choice?
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They didn't really give a clear I guess, real last
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testament before they went in. So the nurse, who was
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a little more shamanic, decided to go into kind of
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deep meditation, let's say, a shamanic journey, kind of intentional
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dream and managed to meet up, in her words, with
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the patient with the being or the spirit or the
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subconscious of the person who was in the coma and
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physical life and said hey. The person said, hey, where
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is everybody? They stopped coming the nurse in the dream
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or I guess the coma vision. The nurse said, well,
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they did come for a while, but it's been six
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months that you've been really just lying there. And the
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person said oh, well, I really would like to see
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so and so and so and so, and actually the
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nurse took notes of a list of about I think
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eight to ten people woke up, and that she called
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up family, friends and whoever and asked for those eight
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to ten people to come specifically by name. And then
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I think it was two days later, after they had visited,
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the patient passed on peacefully, even though they never woke
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from the coma. So a bit tough to prove, but
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interesting that after six months, all of a sudden they
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were done.
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You know, Craig, what was it that inspired you to
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do the work that you're doing with dream research.
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Well, there's lots of aspects to it. So most of
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what I do talk, even my language, jewelry, body haircut,
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theay or not on purpose, really just sort of naturally
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comes are affected by my own dreams. So I did
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have a big calling dream I call it sort of
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a life path or let's say, a career dream when
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I was younger and wishing, hey, what can I do
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with my talents and the different gifts that I've been
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fortunate to have a good upbringing and maybe a little
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bit of intelligence here and some of the skills that
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I had, and I had a big vision calling dream
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if I could be speaking, writing, and then later sort
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of sharing artistically music and film about some of the
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truths that I've experienced, some of the research data, some
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of the valuable things that can help people. I can
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share and express it through talks, music, film, And I
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guess that's the calling that led me on. There's lots
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of little stories and steps between now and then. That
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was kind of the seed, an interesting one, but Rob
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I'll just throw it in because it's the same story,
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so it's not just Greg web story.
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Here.
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In my recent book edition, which I just updated for
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twenty twenty six, I learned that Joni Mitchell had the
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same a very close similar kind of calling dream. She
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saw herself beautifully like making music, this incredible music like
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Rockman enough in a film that she knew and that
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it would really touch people's emotions. They'd be super happy
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and really moved. But the family was kind of poor
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there from southern Ontario, and so she said, okay, well
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can we have a piano? And she kept asking, but
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there was not enough funds for it. But eventually, I
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think maybe a year or so later, a big truck
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pulled up from some other city into the driveway, and
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there it was her piano, and that started her whole
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career which I think ten Grammys and eighteen other nominations
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and many many other awards and accolades later sparked by
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the DNA dream or the initial calling dream of hey,
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I can make beautiful music. So there's some of those
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out there who actually tracked that their whole life path
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came from a dream, and I guess I'm lucky.
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To be one of them.
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And of course, Joni Mitchell is a very famous Canadian folks.
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I heard that move down to the States. And wasn't
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she married to Geffen for a while?
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Entirely possible. I haven't followed my social media, but I
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know that she was very close with Prince, another sort
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of loocid dreaming artists, so they had a I guess,
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at least a very strong artistic nation. I'm not sure
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what else.
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So if somebody wants to become a dream analyst, is
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there such a profession as that?
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Absolutely? I mean there's right out of like the medical
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psychond psychoanalysis. You can go to the medical almost even
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like medication routes. You could become more of a psychologist,
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in which case you'll started working with I guess, the
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emotional elements, which sometimes they can also have a little
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more medical knowledge. Or you could just become let's say,
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more of a explorer practitioner of helping people with their dreams,
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leading classes, which there's a number of universities now that
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offer sort of degrees with that. And then what I
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encourage is, actually everybody is kind of a dream expert
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because we all get our own dreams privately, and our
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intuition is the same as sort of the dream channel,
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so we can kind of into it what the dreams
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start to mean with a little bit of reading, a
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little practice, and everybody could be a pretty good sort
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of analyst or expert for their own dreams their family.
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Maybe there's a lot of different dream books out there,
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and as a dream expert in your opinion, are those
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books any do they hold any value?
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Yeah? Well, certainly, any creative work has value for the
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person who had the process of creating it. So I'll
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never knock anything, but I think, like websites or like
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many of the emails we get, or anything else in life,
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there's so many gradations and levels. Some books are real
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watershed like Freud's interpretation of dreams, which I don't agree
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with all the content, but boy, he really broke ground
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back in nineteen hundreds and nobody was talking about it,
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and really he was sort of risking his reputation a
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little bit to go out on a ledge and talk
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about these crazy experiences people had could be valuable for psychoanalysis.
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And then there's some more recent ones medical books. Discovery
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of lucid dreaming and books about that by one of
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my mentors, Steven Lbersh at Stanford was a huge breakthrough
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for people having conscious dreams. Patricia Garfield, I'm sure many
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of the listeners no creative dreaming A really close friend
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of mine and wonderful woman who's passed on now, but
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that's I think still selling quite a few copies. That
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really encouraged people to do what I think Richard Wagner
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back in eighteen hundreds called dream interpretation, but we use
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the word pretty differently now. Back then, excuse me, he
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meant interpretation in an artistic sense, so.
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He would creates kind of operas and poetry and like
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a stage plays from the interpretation artistic representation of his
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dreams and Patricia's book really helped with bridging the science
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interpret So those.
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Are a few big ones. If people want to check
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them out, there's a whole list on the website or
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that I can refer to if people want to see
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specific categories of what might be a good author.
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So when Craig web has a dream, how do you
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analyze your dreams?
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That's a good one. So I'll sort of segue a
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little bit into how universal principles that I use can
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be used by anybody, and the students of mine and
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I guess different feedback from books and things, have had
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really good success with Personally, the number one thing I
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do is I befriend dreams, which sounds like a very
748
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vague or non scientific technique, and I do have a
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degree in physics. But friendship or let's say a relationship
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with is something that's going to last over time, and
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by the way, it's probably the most important friend in
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our life that's going to be there when all the
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other people come and go. You know, are deeper subconscious,
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and that way we're not trying to control the heck
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out of them, and we're also not ignoring them. You know,
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if the dream comes calling like a loud nightmare or
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a vision dream or something important. We don't just ignore it,
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so a friendship can grow into let's say, understanding how
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that part of us works. If we start watching our dreams.
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I would say another way that I do it and
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many people do, is just catch the first waking thought.
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I use the word thought, and I guess parentheses or
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quotes there. But the very first kind of let's say thought.
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It might not be visual, could even be like a
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little melody or a sensation in our body. But that
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first thing that comes right as we wake up, that's
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it could be something like, you know, the minutes or
768
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the action item from the whole night's dreaming. And if
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we just follow or contemplate or maybe act on that thought,
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we can usually get some of the gifts from our dreams. Otherwise,
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there's lots of great books, or start working with a group.
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Starting it's taking some classes with people who have gone
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that route quite a bit, or practice with a shamans.
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Many shamans are very good at interpreting or at least
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connecting people with that level of theirareness. There's lots of
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different routes for different people.
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How long do dreams last? Do they actually last the
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length of the dream in real time or is it
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just a moment in time that we are able to
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stretch out the time space continuum when we dream.
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That's a physics question there, I like it. How about
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you answer it from your experience, Because I've got lots
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of I've got the science and then the subjective.
784
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I would have to say that I'm not a physicist,
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So taking it from a layman's point of view, I
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would say that the length of the dream that we
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have is equal to the actual time that we would
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spend in our waking time having that dream.
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Yeah, well, depends on sort of what you mean by length.
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So that's what I meant by science or sort of
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measured eeg, kind of physical proof or subjective because dreams
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are a huge subjective, emotional experience. You know, maybe in
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one dream it was sort of like a movie scene
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cut to four years later. Now I'm with Dad, who's
795
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seven years you know, four years older. So the subjective
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experience could be much longer than the actual dream itself, right,
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just like a film. You know, four years might pass
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in the film, or four years might pass in the dream.
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An interesting little side study that I did with a
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database of I think ten thousand dreams, so a huge,
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huge amount. That many of the dreams had an estimated
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dreamer estimated time of how what the duration was, which
803
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was just a guess after awakening, but with a ten
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thousand number that starts to get a little accurate. The
805
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average time of a dream was four point two minutes,
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which is interesting. And I later found out this very
807
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strange connection which I had no idea doing the research,
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that the average YouTube video of I guess the most
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successful YouTube videos, but maybe all videos, I don't know,
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but I think the one that really get attraction or traffic,
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what's about four point two minutes. That's strange. So people's
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attention span is about the length of the average shortest dream.
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That's interesting.
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Craig West Web, Craig West, Yeah, Craig Web is our
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special guest, and we're talking about dreams this hour here
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in the X Zone. Craig West is my producer is
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somewhere down south. I believe, knowing Craig, he's got something
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to do with the events in Venezuela. So I keep
819
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on watching CNN from our studio monitors here, and I
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don't know. For some reason, I think that one of
821
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these times, I'm going to look up and I'm going
822
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to see Craig waving at us as he's hauled off
823
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by the military.
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Yeah, oh boy, Yeah, I hope he's okay. Well that
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Craig East wishes him well down there, and I'll watch
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your dreams in case. Dreams can be very protective.
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Stand by, Craig. We've got to take our final break.
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This is the X one. I'm Rob McConnell. We'll be
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back as we rap of this hour from our broadcast
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center in studios in Saint Catharines. Don't Go Away on.
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The Song Radio, where the truth finds away through the
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stories of ghosts that wander and sway, inviting the seekers
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who wasn't the Braid.
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Join us each episode. Let the curis.
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All right, this is the final segment. My friend does
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always thanks very much for joining us.
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Yeah, I'm glad it worked out. And I guess the
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season's greetings. I guess at least the very amazing year
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to Laura.
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All right, I will stand by. Here we go fifteen seconds.
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In a quiet town called Carrotman, near the River's Gentle Call,
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lived a woman with a light so pure she gave
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her love to all.
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She walked the streets of Mountree.
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All with grace and steady hands, working for the salvage
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folk from far off London lands.
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My mother, my friend, a soul.
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So kind, a guardian angel through.
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Space and time, with.
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Open arms and a heart so wide.
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She stood by me by every sight, from Candy's Lanes
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to Heaven's Hall.
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She was a guardian to all. Raised in a.
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Canly welcome back.
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Craig Web is our special guest speaking about Montreal. Craig
856
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is in Montreal. He does his research there and Craig
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can listeners contact you if they would like to send
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you one other weird, wacky, bizarre dreams. Yeah.
859
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I always love to hear from people new experiences. Sometimes
860
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I can offer a lot of guidance in a short
861
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.599
little message or email or if necessary, a call. If
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they want to go deeper, I leave teleclasses. People can
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check out Applied Dreaming dot com with two d's in
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the middle. They're Applied Dreaming. If they want to reach me,
865
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I guess for speaking engagements. Sometimes I've even done sort
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of like celebrity parties as dream Analyst or other shared
867
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music to dream inspired music. Craigweb dot Ca and I
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guess the way that I most serve many people is
869
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through my book The Dreams Behind the Music, two hundred
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top artists who actually dreamed many of their biggest hits.
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I'm sure the listeners know many dreams behind the Music.
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Dot com is that website.
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Can you share with us some of the artists that
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you've featured in your book and tell us a little
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bit about their dreams.
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Sure, that's a great one. By the way, I think
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there's two hundred and fifty or so now since it's
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a newly updated edition for twenty twenty six. Here we
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did mention about Joni Mitchell, which was a new one.
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I added tonight one that might be of interest. Earlier
881
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we were talking about deceased people who come and visit
882
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us in dreams. Sammy Hager. I don't know if you recognize, Oh, yeah, rocker. Yeah,
883
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he's our famous rocker here. I think he was in
884
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various groups, but later he was pretty well known for
885
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being in Van Halen. After David Lee Roth sort of
886
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got the boot, I think, and he dreamt of the
887
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deceased Eddie van Halen. I guess the band's namesake who
888
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.800
came in a dream and said Hey, I got this
889
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.719
amazing riff, remember this one. We practiced, played it for
890
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.000
him in the dream and said, let's make some music together,
891
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bro and the dream he did, And I guess a
892
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.239
few years later put out the song to honor. I
893
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guess because Eddie ben Halen has passed on. He wanted
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to really say thank you and goodbye and bless his
895
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:12.920
journey and sort of close that life, that part of
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his life with gratitude, and he published that song. That's
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one if I think about five or six stories where
898
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artists wrote songs with in a collaboration with the deceased. Collaboration.
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00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.400
I mean, that's a weird word use of that word,
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isn't it?
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Walll Sure is it? Certainly is.
902
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:31.639
I'm a getting help from the other side for this. Yeah,
903
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I need some arrangement. I'll just dream on dream with
904
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:34.480
him again tonight.
905
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:40.039
So who else said, who else has had their dreams
906
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help them to find fame and fortune?
907
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.239
Well, I love those ones because they're fascinating. So there's
908
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an interesting one. Bono. Many people know you too, the
909
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Big I think one of the top world groups of
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rockers actually dreamt this very interesting little riff Mystery Girls.
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She's a mystery to me. And it was just before
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a big concert by you two at the Wembley Arena,
913
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I guess in the UK there and he kind of
914
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:11.519
half awake, half asleep, said, oh, that sounds like an Orbison,
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you know orbisonic. He's kind of noted it. They really
916
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note their dreams you two days because they do. Right
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song from me woke up and said, oh, there must
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be Roy Orbison on the album that I had playing
919
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like in the background while I was sleeping. And he
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did see the song in Dreams on that album. It
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was the Blue Velvet soundtrack for the David Lynch movie.
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But he didn't see anything a mystery girl and go,
923
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oh it sounded like Orbison. Anyways, he started writing a
924
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bit that day. They went and the band did a
925
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sound check and he showed the guys, hey, there's this
926
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interesting little melody. I think maybe I wrote it in
927
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my dreams sounds Does this sound like Orbison? Bandmates said,
928
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I don't know, it sounds pretty good. And then at
929
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the end after the show there's a knock on the door.
930
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He's still working on the song, believe it or not.
931
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After the concert, Bano right, and the knock is he says,
932
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the security guard brings them in because mister Arbison wants
933
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to speak to Bono. Didn't even never met him, didn't
934
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know he was in UK, certainly didn't know he was
935
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at the concert. And he came in and said, you know,
936
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good evening. Chancey had that quiet voice. The show was great.
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I really liked it. I can't say why I liked it,
938
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but I liked it. By the way, do you have
939
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a song for me? That was like the third thing
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out of his mouth, and Bono says, well, I guess
941
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I do, and the guys in the band are saying, oh,
942
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you're Josh. Long story shorty. He wrote and composed the
943
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song with the Edge, and actually it was recently in
944
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the soundtrack for Aquaman movie Marvel, so there's a little
945
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story behind the Aquaman love theme was Mystery Girl, which
946
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Bono and Orbison sort of wrote it. I guess in other.
947
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Levels unreal wow, So dreams really do come true.
948
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Well when we act on them. So that kind of
949
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leads me to I guess my little soapbox here, I
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encourage people not just what their dreams mean. It's a
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good question, but it's getting a little dated with of
952
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the intellectual analysis of dreams. It's okay, that's kind of
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one aspect of dreams understanding it, but I encourage people
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to ask, hey, what is my dream or what do
955
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dreams want? You know, we have these dreams for our life,
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like our wishes in her career, but we also have
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private personal dreams we wake up with in the morning
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and when we act on them, those inner I guess gifts, dreams, wishes,
959
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sometimes intuitions. They can really help people. They come true,
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they become physical, and they can help people become inventions, songs,
961
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movies like my film, or like James Cameron, a colleague
962
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who I spoke to and I got him on a
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big radio show and he said, yeah, Avatar, the I
964
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guess worldwide number one selling film of all time, came
965
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from two dreams. One from his mom. She dreamed a
966
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tall blue warrior people in this alien landscape and he
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thought that was really cool. And then he had to
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dream about sort of this pile luminescent river and glowing
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forest and glowing lake and stuff. He says, Wow, I'm
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going to make this film. So I guess he had success.
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So it came true.
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Avatar. Have you seen the new Avatar by the way
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I have not.
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It's in theaters now. I should check it out. The
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ashes and snow is that one? Or fire and ashes?
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Ashes and fire?
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Yeah, I've heard a lot of mixed reviews. Should see
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that you love it or you hate it?
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Have you? No?
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No, I haven't. I'm just going to wait until it
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comes out on DVD.
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I saw the trailer. Yeah, DVD. Oh wow, that's like
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00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:29.239
dating ourselves here, DVD. Does anybody do that anymore? Have
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a DVD player? A round?
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Sure?
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Okay, good. I'm joking a little bit here because I
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use the analogy of a darn valuable dream. You know,
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let's try to let's start become lucid and edit our DVD.
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But most of the stuff nowadays is streaming, stream yard
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and all these kind of things.
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How can people best prepare themselves to have a good dream?
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Oh, very good question. And in fact, I think another
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soapbox moment here. So we have waking hygiene, like when
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we wake up for our day, right, often we comb
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the hair, dress nicely, hopefully, shower or clean or put
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on perfume or eye makeups or whatever we do. But
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00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.360
we prepare to go out into society, and we have
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a whole ritual. But most people or many people anyways,
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have no kind of ritual or respect or don't think
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it's important to prepare for meeting our subconscious, maybe meeting
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00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:21.760
other people on the inner net, like the Internet, but
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00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:24.679
the inside net of dreams, and that we go to
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sleep with all our mind all over the place, or
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00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:29.400
stressing about something or just you know, no intention or
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00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:31.760
huge pizza, just you know, two minutes before we go
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to bed. So I encourage people to kind of get
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00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.920
a quiet state. Think of it like meeting somebody pretty important.
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00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:40.519
Have an intention. Maybe do you want to dream on
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a topic or a question you want to answer, or
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00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:44.679
do you want to just have like a really rich
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00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:47.800
creative state. So maybe you get a musical inspiration or
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00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:50.880
an idea for the family party or something, and that
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00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:54.360
state and that intention will work wonders for really really
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00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:58.880
moving forward some enriching life waking moments. We may or
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00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:00.920
may not remember the dream on it, but the next
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00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:03.880
morning we might get an intuition or that first waking thought.
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00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.800
It guides us to some really cool actions that are
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00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.079
kind of dream inspired. The DNA, you know, the deep
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00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:12.679
level behind the idea that comes in that early morning
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or the dream make up right and really work into
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00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:18.239
this whole amazing event. That's quite different than just like
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00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:20.760
I thought about it, I thought about it. No, it
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00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:23.480
comes from a deeper intuitive level and it usually helps people.
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00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:29.039
Is there any specific time of the night when people,
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00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:32.719
you know dream more than others?
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00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:37.840
Well, there are sleep cycles, there's circadian rhythms. The Labs
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00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:41.920
research shows that they're not perfectly matched to everybody on
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00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.480
every night, So there's trends. Let's say, usually about every
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ninety minutes we'll have a cycle, and during the ninety
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minutes there's different stages and states. Sometimes, you know, you
1031
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:55.559
have that just falling asleep. Ever had that rub where
1032
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you're sort of like you come too quickly or you
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00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.000
shake or you feel like you're falling or you jump
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a little bit when you're falling asleep.
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Yeah, that iPad.
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Yeah, So that's usually what they call the hypnopompic or
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just falling into sleep hypnogogic. As I guess falling into
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sleep hypnopompic is just like.
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Isn't hypnogogic the old high syndrome?
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00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.119
No, that could be. It's related in the way that
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00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.920
there's an experience going on when we're sort of half awake,
1042
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:26.199
but hypnogogic is usually referred to as the little visions
1043
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:31.239
before dreams. Some of the artists, like example, Robert Lewis Stevenson, Yeah,
1044
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:33.920
the big writer, I guess, doctor Jackyl mister Hyde, many
1045
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:36.760
other I think he was also a musician. He's in
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my book. But anyway, he would get his inspirations from
1047
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:44.159
the little brownies he called them, who would sort of
1048
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.719
meet him just at the start of sleep. But for
1049
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:51.239
most people that's usually short, not too remembered. The dreams
1050
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:54.039
we remember usually towards the end of each ninety minute cycle,
1051
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:56.320
and we call it the rim R e M. Rapid
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eye movement. The visual dreams and those periods of RAM
1053
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or I guess visual dreaming, they lengthen throughout the night.
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So usually the best dreams to answer your original question,
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or the most easy dreams to recall, are the ones
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during the early morning or actually right near waking, because
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we probably have about like twenty to thirty minutes of
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RAM and lots of you know, lots of things going
1059
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.119
on in our emotions and stuff, and also our waking
1060
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.480
and dreaming minds are very close together, so the recall
1061
01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:26.920
should be a little better. So just try to catch
1062
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:28.880
that last dream we wake up with. Usually it's a
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01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.639
bit of an action item. What did this dream want?
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01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:33.320
It's a good question when you wake up with that.
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01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:37.039
I had a friend who would actually fall asleep with
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the television on and he could enter a dream state
1067
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:45.719
of that television program.
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01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.320
Oh okay, so we kind of dreamt into the scenario
1069
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:48.840
on TV.
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01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:52.039
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. That's how you know.
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01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:54.960
None of the listeners are doing that, right, I doubt
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01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.400
stay awake for the rest of that maybe after the show.
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01:00:57.559 --> 01:00:59.360
That's it. Especially if you're driving your car on the
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01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.639
qwor or the yeah, you know, any other road here
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01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:05.679
here in Ontario. We don't want you getting into problems
1076
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with the opp or the NRP.
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We've got a huge conference happening now on that theme.
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I mean, that's one of the elements. It's called the
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Dream Engineering Conference. I'm not super happy about the title
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or the idea of engineering dreams because it may be
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01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:25.079
not always recognizing that there's a pretty sacred space there too.
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01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:27.760
Let's just crush and do what we want with it, Craig,
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01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:30.239
We've gotaiting next weekend, all right, Craig.
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01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:33.079
We've got about thirty seconds before I have to say
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so long, so quickly, let our listeners know how they
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01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:36.760
can find out more about you and how they can
1087
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:37.639
visit your websites.
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01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:41.119
Okay, well, thanks again for having me on Robin Pleasure.
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01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:44.599
My listener's got something beneficial. Come visit Dreams beehind the
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01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:46.880
music dot com and you can reach and email me
1091
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:49.599
through there and check out my book Different Music and
1092
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:50.559
reach out to me.
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01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:53.800
We love it all right. That's Craig web in Montreal.
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Dreams has been the topic of this first hour of
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01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:58.360
tonight show. I'll be back on the other side of
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this news break as we continue here in the X
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Zone with yours truly, Rob McConnell from our broadcast center
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and studios in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada. And you're listening
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to us on the xone Broadcast Network, Talk Star Radio Network,
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Mutual Broadcast Network, and on your hometown radio Classic twelve
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01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:18.119
twenty c FAJA M right here in Saint Catharines, Ontario,
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01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:20.800
and they stream us around the world at Classic twelve
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twenty dot CA. Don't go away, We'll be right back.
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Tales of the ancients in the Stories were told from
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01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:36.440
haunted old houses, to the echo in halls. We seek
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01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:40.760
the unknown, where Mistery call.
1107
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:49.079
On the Exone radio, where the truth finds away through
1108
01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:57.480
the stories of ghosts that wander and sway, inviting the seekers.
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01:02:57.960 --> 01:02:59.760
Who was in the break
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Joined us each episode, let the Curis say, with voices
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like Larry and Paul at the help
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Three others.
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Hold she was a guardian, too old, raised.
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And a no where we go?
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All right, give me a count from one to five please, Craig.
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One, two, three, four.
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Five, Craig, are you still there?
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Yes?
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Yeah, I'm just getting it back for the Ontario thing
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you said.
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Ah, looks like you got some of that starting radiation
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on your brains.
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Mm hmmm, mm hmm.
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The neon. So you do a pretty good impression of
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a neon song.
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Okay, Oh, you know the routine. So no sense and
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where the hell is I'm missing one thing here?
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Oh so after the ex so.
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Okay, and when does it air? It's not it's not live.
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This will lurk tomorrow night at ten o'clock.
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So you're always like a day ahead. That's a little
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more peaceful than live.
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Yeah, because you never know what happens.
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Eh, I'll tell you.
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Just get these weird guests like Craig Weber, who knows.
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Yeah, he's a real weird All.
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It's from the internet. Strange, strange Quebecker.
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All Ray, Okay, that's.
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That's coming through Claire.
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Okay, so we're going to put that.
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We're just going to leave that there, all d ray.
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Al Right, Okay, yay, we've got everything up and running.
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All right.
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Yeah, I got your sound bites anyway, pardon you got
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your sound bites anyways? On the email I SENTIA, there's
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some bumper, but yeah, it'd be hard to find now
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they could search for the title. I think it says
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helpful information for upcoming shows December twenty eighth.
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I think I don't have access to the to the
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email in the studio.
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System. Did email means said see you on the thirtieth?
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Yeah, just give me a second here, buddy, you have
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to check into that one two three four five? Can
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you give me a one two three four five? Quick?
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One two, three four or five?
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All right, don't yell what two three four? Okay? Stand
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by fourteen seconds?
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All Henry.
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Welcome to the X Zone, a place where fact is
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fiction and fiction is reality. Now here's your host, Rob McConnelly.
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In the heart of the night, where are the shadowss playing?
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On the X Zone? We gather Come what May with
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Rob McConnell guiding us through the dark, searching for truth hidden,
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igniting the spark whispers of spirits, both gentle and bold
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tales of the ancients in the stories retold from haunted
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old houses to the echo in halls. We seek the unknown,
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where Misterry calls on the exone Radio, where the truth
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finds away through the.
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Stories of and good evening, one and all, and welcome
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back to the Xona and to everyone just tuning in.
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Happy new year. This is our first show of the
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new year. And to one and all, I hope that
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you know you had great Christmas holidays and that you
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fully enjoyed yourself. You ate like crazy, but you know,
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here we go to January twenty twenty six, and this
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is when we all start our diets again. And of
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course you're listening to us on your hometown radio, Classic
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twelve twenty cfajaam right here in Saint Catherine streaming us
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at Classic twelve twenty dot CA. My guest this hour
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Craig Webb. He is a researcher, he is a musician,
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he is a filmmaker, he is a dreams specialist. And Craig,
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welcome back to the Xcell and happy New Year to you,
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my friend, and the very best in the new year.
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Thank you very much. Rob. I love the new theme music.
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There you got some custom music for the show.
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Oh yeah, yeah, you know we're just getting ready for
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this brand new season that we're in. And so how
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are your holidays? How are things in Montreal?
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Well, I spent a little bit of my pre holidays
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actually in Florida, enjoying some of the warmer weather, and
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that was great. I got to see dolphins pretty much
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every day. So that's my little break before the break here.
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But in Montreal, it's great. My family's here, some friends,
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some holiday cheer, you know, and then lots of snow.
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We did have a white Christmas. I guess you didn't
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really get much there, right.
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No, we didn't get very much here at all, you know,
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which is really cool because I don't know, it seems
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the older you get, the less snow you really want
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to have to put up with in your life. So,
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you know, I'm just kind of happy that, you know,
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for kids, Christmas is for kids, right, And Laura and
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I really didn't go out decorating the house like we
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usually do, and I don't know, without the kids around,
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you know, we saw the kids over the holidays, don't
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get me. Yeah, sure, you know, the tearing up of
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the pre since in the morning, you know, and the excitement,
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it's just not there with children without children.
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Well, do you watch your dreams. It's kind of a
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topical thing, but Christmas morning or New Year's morning, sometimes
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the year or for the for the vacation.
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that's going to be new, thrilling and exciting in this year. Okay,
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That's life here in the exit, and I.
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Go to sleep, my day starts. But that's the other me.
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You know what.
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That makes a lot of sense because there are those
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people who actually believe that their reality is in the
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dream state, and this what we call reality in our wakings,
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you know, in our waking hours, is to them the
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other world.
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Yeah, imagine when we fall asleep, some part of us,
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let's say, weights up and go with that was a
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weird dream talking with this guy Rob on the radio,
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and it could be as much as that. Personally, I
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think there's more than one station. Obviously, stay tuned to
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the X zone. But on the bigger dial of life,
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there's lots of stations. Life is one dreams or other.
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Yeah, quite possible, Quite possible. With everything that's going on
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in the world today. You know, you've got President Trump
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who just invaded Venezuela and now he's talking about invading
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let me see Cuba, Colombia taking over Greenland and apparently Canada.
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Canada is in his sites as well and Greenland Yeah, Greenland? Yeah? Wow?
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How does this How does all this news that we're
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does that affect our dream state?
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like a number of people dream such events ahead. So
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pre cogs sort of like Minority Report. Do you remember
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that film?
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About that's a really good one. Wow. If listeners or
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myself a little because I think it's about twenty five
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in short, it's a super guy who has these pre
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cog dreamers who are sort of I guess, people that
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intuition or their dreaming, and they can tune into death
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so that he can operate a pre crime division and
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they arrest and they stop murders before they happen because
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it's very cool, but it's well done. I mean, I
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mean sci fi Hollywood. But the actual sort of I guess,
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is actually pretty accurate of how they can tune in
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and they get a little hints and then I won't
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ruin the film, but there's a big They start with
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three precogs and then it sort of ends up as
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one and then two others, and they sort there's something
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very important about sort of all the precogs getting along
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or not on certain visions.
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How has the interpretation of dreams changed over the years, Craig.
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too qualified to answer about that. I can say one
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interesting fact related to that that there has been some
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research to show that the color dreams I guess people
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advent of the television with color. So that's one factor.
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changes the whole dreaming psyche of a nation. Sometimes dreams
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actually play out most of our daily concerns and most
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of our things we really wish, like wish example nineteen
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public because it could result in being arrested or worse.
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out in dreams and of course nightmares or whatever. Some
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of the artists actually be surprised. I updated my book
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if you remember the dreams behind the music? Yeah, And
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there's a lot of artists in the last two three
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years I think since the pandemic probably had a big
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influence who've been having like nightmares, night terrors, terrors and
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getting huge, huge fan bases based on songs about that.
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You know you ever heard of Billie Eilish. No, she's
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one of the younger crowd here, but fifty billion streams
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so that's big, you know, as everybody in the world
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times you know, eight seven seven streams per person here,
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and it's all about nightmare, sleep, terrorist, sleep, paralysis. Where
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do I go when We Fall asleep?
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That's her album, Where do We Go and We fall Asleep?
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That's a good question. What would you say what happens
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after like waking Craig closes his eyes or waking robson
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he sleeps? Okay, what does your spirit, your psyche, your consciousness,
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head anywhere do you have? I mean, you remember dreams
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and have experiences, so you have some view on it.
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Yeah, I used her, But like I, like I was
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saying earlier in this segment, because of the amount of
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work that we are undergoing here at Realmar, not only
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with our radio division or public mashing division, our digital division,
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but our radio division end and the growth of the
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radio network. By the time I get home, I'm just
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so pooped. I just lay down and crash for four
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or five hours, and then it's up again, take the
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dog out for the walk, have my coffee, and back
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the work.
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Well, let's work with that, because a lot of people
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will have that same challenge or they just don't really
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realize that there could be value in getting kind of
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what I call the download or the harvest from the
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night dreams. But do you ever fall asleep, let's say,
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working on a problem, the business problem, client relationship problem,
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or anything, and then wake up with the answer. So
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of sleep on it, because even that is dreams percolating
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into our thoughts just when we wake up.
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I used to Craig, I used to buy those days
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are gone.
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You know, Well, maybe I'm going to take tonight and
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incubator sleep on how to get rob some a little
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bit more spaciousness.
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anyone ever connected with a person through dreams?
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eighteen ninety percent of people have dreams with the department.
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variations of it, the most widely worldwide theme. Even though
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flying was the biggest, Actually departed is bigger if you
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take the variations. So that's a general statistic about people
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who remember dreams. Ninety percent or so have dreams that departed.
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as one example among many others, Like all these artists
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who write the I guess the nightmare songs or whatever
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and dreams of bandmates who come to them. I dreamt
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of my deceased dad when I was, you know, having
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a really tough time after he passed on, maybe four
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years ago, just before COVID, or actually at the start
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of COVID, and you know, a really tough time. But
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I guess the dream came and he said, let's go
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catch some big fish. And obviously I work with dreams,
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so I noted the dream, but I didn't really have
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a rod. I was in Hawaii, but I wasn't going
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to go deep sea fishing. I didn't know. I left
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it in the kind of inbox that day. But later
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in the day I was out just practicing with my
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new drone and I saw the whales spout out over
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in front of Keihy actually, which I think you know about, Ye,
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a huge spoom from the I think it's the what
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did the whales there? The humpbacks maybe about two kilometers out,
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remembered it, Oh, catch big fish on video, not just
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like with a line, you know. And then I, you know,
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had to face a little fear barrier. Long story short,
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I flew my drone out about a kilometer or two,
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got some amazing footage of whales. You know, it could
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have turned into a submarine, or I could have had
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the wind change or something bad and lost five hundred bucks.
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to this film that I think be living in the ocean.
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wards and festivals, in fact in LA recently just before
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Christmas in Hollywood, it actually won the Grand Jury Award
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and beat out two hundred plus films for the whole festival.
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if we act on it, if we take the advice.
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download the dream, act on it, and it seems to
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be touching people.
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Craig, what's the website? Listeners can check out all that
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you do? Oh?
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Sure, well if they want to learn about my personal
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I guess session speaking and all that, Craig web dot ca.
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If they want to see more artists site edutainer dot
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ca and the book Dreams Behind the Music dot com.
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Greg and I will be back on the other side
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of this break as the Xzone continues with yours truly,
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Rob McCall from our broadcast center in studios in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada,
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and you're listening to us on the Talk Star Radio
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Network Mutual Broadcast Network. The Xon Broadcast Network, and of course,
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on your hometown radio, Classic twelve twenty c f AJAM
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screaming us right here in Saint Catharine's on Classic twelve
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twenty dot CA.
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With a haunting hellody.
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The air begins to throw an echo the wonders that
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from beyond have come.
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Celestial encounter as the stars a line, a tapestry of
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wonders woven through space and time from the void of
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darkness of chorusing so bright, the story is unfolding in
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the velvet night.
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Alright, give me a second.
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Wow, I like that.
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Thank you? Are you commissioning artists or no?
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I brought you that?
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Did it?
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Oh? My god?
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That's great?
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Yeah, No, I write, I write all the bumpers.
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Now and who did it? Who sang it?
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independent artists that I've worked with over the years. Okay, wow,
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I like it, Thank you. Okay, stand by, We're coming
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down in fifteen seconds. Me a second story set, Okay,
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here we go. Fifteen seconds.
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Fastening nine on Gate Street, the signal humes low, statics alive,
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and the shadows glow through the glass of the control room. Door,
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something whispers we've been here before. Oh pushta seco your
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size red on nails like flickers and dives through the hallways, chill, creeps.
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Deep, c k T be never sleeps, go s y street.
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Calling money.
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Money lost in the flame a welcome back everyone. Are
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you a skeptic or are you a believer? Send me
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your email x on at x on radio, TV dot
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com and tell me what you think. Tell me about
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your dreams. Tell me if you have had that dream
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where you're flying, or if you've had a dream within
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a dream within a dream within a dream, or how
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about that dream where you're standing in front of a
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group of people and you are bear naked and Craig,
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what do those dreams mean?
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Some of these archetype ones, right Rob, I think you
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picked on four of the worldwide themes, right, Well, one
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big one the naked will go people go, what naked? Yeah,
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that's actually about let's say a third of people have it.
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And what they'll usually notice in that dream, not one
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hundred percent, but let's say ninety percent of the people
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who do have it is the other people in the
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dream aren't noticing or really caring that we the dreamer
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is walking around naked or sometimes scantily dressed. And the
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lesson which most of these themes, these recurring dream themes
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have is in this case, hey, I'm feeling kind of
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self conscious, really kind of exposed, let's say a little
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bit about something. But whatever, the scenario of the dream
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is showing that actually nobody else is thinking that, so
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don't worry about.
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It in a dream. And is it possible that the people,
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for example, in the dream where you're standing in front
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of our group of people naked, that the people or
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some of the people, maybe one or two of the
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people are actually dreamers from another who are actually having
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the dream of you standing there being.
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Naked like a spy who's coming in your dream?
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Yeah, something like that.
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Well, now we're moving into inception. Do you remember that
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film Noe with e Leonardo DiCaprio and some of the
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other great actors there.
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I very rarely watch movies, my friend, I just don't.
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Okay, Well, that's a Christopher Nolan classic. Really, Now, it's
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a classic I think fifteen years or so that you
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can see, first of all, dream within a dream, you
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can see dreams that are sparked or engineered. Now they
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say with technology, and then the one you just said.
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You can affect somebody else, you can see somebody else,
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you can share a space in dreams, then both people
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remember in waking. In this case, it's shown to be possible.
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I've had experiences a little more anecdotal than researched, but
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where there's overlapping dream scenarios, not always the exact dream
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like waking reality, where we'd have like two cameras or
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two viewpoints, but let's say the same theme. In fact,
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any couples or I guess friends, even close friends listening,
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maybe family members, especially twins. Just check a little more
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regularly with your partner or your family member, your twin,
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and you'll see that actually you're very often you're dreaming
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on the same theme or elements or sometimes the exact
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same scene. So it's surprise in common you ever had one,
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never tuned into something like that somebody else shared with
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you later, Oh I dreamt you doing this on this
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actually no? Oh yeah, okay, well that's a little put
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it on the I guess inbox of potential experiments to
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try to get you inspired when you have like one
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minute free, which I don't know when that is.
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Yeah, For example, can can two people actually make make
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a date so to speak, to to meet each other
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in their dreams?
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Yeah?
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Date, Well, I'll first share somebody else's story, because I
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lead students and have coaching clients and classes and things
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online often and to my students really wanted to meet
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and they were learning lucid dreaming, that's what I teach,
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and said one of then, I guess content things of
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how to become conscious in the dream, and one of
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them was getting pretty good, and he remembered in a
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dream that his intention was to visit the other class mate,
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go find something recognizable that he could bring back and
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waking life, and so remember and then check later. So
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in this case, the person became conscious in the dream.
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He went to put his hand on the door, how
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except that I guess the handle came off and it
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wasn't a normal door. It goes that's weird, realized it
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was the dream, and remembered his intention. So in the dream,
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of course, now he flew up across I guess us,
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pretty far across the US in his dream landed in
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the city, which I guess intuitively, somehow the dreamscape knew
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where the other dreamer from the classmate was got the
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street name very close of the street he landed on,
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met the person's father. He later found out that their
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father guided them to the other classmate's house, got the
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address from the door specific number that I won't share again.
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This is all in the dream now, but he's conscious
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in the dream, So Loocid found out some things from
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the hallway and her bedrooms whatever. He sort of said, Hi,
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I can I commandage she was open, not less really
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the bedroom or anything too dark like that, but just
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kind of exploring the house so he could remember, and
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then checked with me privately. I checked with the other classmate,
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and there was about seven very clear hits, including the
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street name, apartment door number. So some specifics to give
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let's say, a loose anecdotal proof, but something that shows
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definitely possible and probably worth exploring more.
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Is there a connection between dreaming and reincarnation, Yeah.
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For sure. I mean, let's say, any non physical sensory
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perceptions which something before or after this physical life will
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fall into that category, fits with dreams perfectly. There's some actual,
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really great videos. I think James Lenninger is one of
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my favorites because it's documented by ABC, the news station
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ABC and James Lenningery can search YouTube. Was a young
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I guess few years two, three, four, five year old
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who kept dreaming of these like World War two planes.
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He named the plane horsehair, he named Iwo Jima. He
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got very clear specifics of where he dreamt of his
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plane going down Japs shot me down, very very clear
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specifics in his dreams and nightmares, I guess, and his
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parents at first were skeptical, but then the dad started
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noting the data and went to check some of the facts,
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which all prove true. Long story short, they sort of
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went to visit the actual place where let's say his
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previous carnation incarnation plane went down. They visited the sister
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who was still alive of his flying mate. So I
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guess sort of a family member who remembered very well,
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certainly the guy who was his flying mate on the mission,
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and who told her, yes, it was specifically where he
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was shot on this side of the plane, just like
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his dream said. So so many specifics that just kind
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of say, okay, it's anecdotal, because they're always going to
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be told. These stories are going to be told from
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some new wakes up from a dream. It's a bit
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hard to actually like get images out of our head.
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But you know, once you get enough anecdotes and statistics
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and some real specifics, you start to say, hey, this
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is worth checking out. And yes it's possible. I guess
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other incarnations bleeding through, especially when we're young, you know,
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first few years of life, and I believe night terrors
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from some of the children can be that too, sort
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of like past life deaths or really strong traumas that
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sort of pushed through into this life a bit.
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When did psychologists and psychiatrists start actually paying attention to
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dreams as a way to better understand of their patient
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and to help their patient work through psychological problems.
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Well, we got the more western recognized Jo Freud, Young
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Fritz Pearls, and some of the I guess early nineteen
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hundred scrab but for many for millennia, in fact, probably
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since the dawn of time, really like Caveman's all the shamans,
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which might be called from their society or tribe, they're
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called the psychologists of the of the society. We're working
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with dreams. In fact, it would be natural for someone
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to come to the shaman to ask them what the
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dream means, what should they do about it and take
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very practical real world actions. It's a little bit lost now,
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but there's still some societies that act regularly daily almost
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on their dreams and share them for us in the West.
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I guess Freud's publication in nineteen oh one of the
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interpretation of dreams sort of moved it a little bit
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into the science of, Hey, this is something we can study,
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we can look at statistically, we can analyze. It's good
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for psycho analysis, et cetera. Then Young came along and
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many others that start to show, and then we had
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the EEGs, you know, the sleep lab recordings, which can
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show when we dream and you can wake people up
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after m cycles and you can actually prove that there's
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this experience going on at certain times in certain phases
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of sleep and stuff. So that kind of ties into
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the Western version of how to understand how it could
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be helpful for people.
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What happens if a person just doesn't dream? Are there
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any psychological problems that they can develop?
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All right, I'm gonna put a little mirror on that
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one to ask you, what if Rob's so busy with
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the show that he doesn't get a chance to dream,
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is that good or well?
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You know, just because I don't remember the dream doesn't
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mean that I don't have one, does it right?
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Very good? So when people say I, you know, kind
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of end quotes their I don't dream, really, they're saying
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that the waking part of me doesn't remember what the
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deeper part of me is experiencing at night, usually during sleep,
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but sometimes half awake states, creative states, daydreams on the
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bus or whatever. So those states might be forgotten quickly,
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but they're definitely happening. If we put electros in wake,
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like Rob up after his two am xome shift, and
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I will see that probably has a little dream lit there.
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I mean, he says, let me go back to sleep.
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So the experiences are coming, for sure.
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But what would happen if someone just did not dream.
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You brought them to this sleep lab and you put
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the sensors on them and you're watching them all night long, nothing,
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and then you say, well, you know what, maybe this
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is just an off one. Let's try it again and
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again in the sleep lab. This person has no dream activity.
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That's a very good one. Well, there's one of my colleagues,
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I think Pagel, Jim Pagel actually found that when they
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really really looked at it. There was about one percent
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of people who even with sleep lab awakenings right after
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like a RAM period of rapidi movement period which should
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be a visual dream, woke up and had zero recall.
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And then they said, Okay, there's sort of one fraction
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of a percent of people who actually don't remember, but
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we can't prove for a fact that they're not having experience.
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They just don't have any connection to the memory of that.
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And then there's a little more known statistically, and this
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is unfortunately a lot more common. But if we have
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a bottle in front of me, or about frontal lobotomy,
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in other words, if we have brain damage or brain
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surgery or lots of alcohol, we actually limit or completely
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remove dreams, depending what part of the brain's affected. So
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it can be physiological too, So the dreaming muscle, let's say,
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the dreaming activity is kind of limited from physiological or
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or I guess for chemical food, alcohol purposes, or certain
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medications too.
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People who were put into medical comas do they dream?
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That's a good one. Well, I gave a talk for
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the World Palliative Care Conference, and some of these things
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are just anecdotal, you know, because the medical coma patient
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are a bit tough. Sometimes they tell stories after I
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think there's a great book now trying to remember something
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Proof of Heaven by one of my colleagues. So I
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speak to Aside who had a huge, long, you know,
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like a week long kind of dream when he was
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in a coma medical coma, and shared the experience happened
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while he was sleep. In other words, he remembered it
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after not exactly asleep, but I guess completely coma toast.
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So that's an anecdotal And certainly there's a medical person
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that I gave in this I described him the talk
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I gave for the World palliad of Care conference where
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the nurse decided, after I think about six months of
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some one of the patients being coma, she was a
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little more shamonic, let's say, believed in some of these things.
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And Craig, we're going to actually take a break. Who
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We're going to have a cliffhanger here. Xnation is our
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special guest, and we'll continue this story on the other
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side of this break as the xone continues with yours truly,
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Rob McConnell from our broadcast center and studio right here
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in St. Catherine's Ontario and you're listening to us on
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the Talk Star Radio Network, Mutual Broadcast Network, XOT Broadcast
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Network and on your hometown radio Classic twelve twenty c
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fajam right here in Sane Catherine's Ontario streaming, I said
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Classic twelve twenty dot cal.
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Last in the flame, from the grid to the they
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rise again. Telling the story is through static and rain
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Bano's wistful Where the signal?
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Please go on a streams.
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Haunting me already it's fifteen seconds starting and now Craig
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got once again, what's your website, buddy?
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Oh good, one is Dreams behind the Music dot com.
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They can reach me and that's the book.
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Okay, so you can piece of paper here.
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Throw that in at the end, or or you can
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ask me about them.
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Oh yeah, okay, we'll do that.
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Sorry, I got a.
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Little long windows right, and you could take that as
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a sort of tease for the.
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Next sure, no problem. Stand by fifteen seconds.
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In the heart of the night, where are the shadowss
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Playing on the X zone, we gather Come what May?
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With Rob McConnell guiding us through the dark, searching for
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truth hidden, igniting the spar whispers of spirits, both gentle
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and bold tales of the ancients in the stories retold
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from haunted old houses is to the echo in halls.
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We seek the unknown, where Mistery call.
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On the.
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Radio, where the truth finds away.
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Craig web is my guest, and Craig continue that fascinating
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story that we had to kind of put into a
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cliffhanger because of the break.
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Yeah.
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Sure, Well, we were talking about maybe coma patients did
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they dream and what did they experience And it's a
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bit hard to get the data out from the coma patient.
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I'll just say one little side research. It's kind of
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interesting because I'd like to throw in a little research.
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There's been a few studies now where we I guess
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an AI kind of bought or program goes through a
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huge number of videos, which is that's how they train
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the AIS, and that they matched it up the videos
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matched up with EEG or let's say brain activity recordings
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usually from the visual portion in the back of the head,
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and that you can start to get like sort of
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like a very weak not high death yet, but a
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week video out Jack, you can start to see some
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of the images because they sort of correlated the brain
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activity with the actual I guess images that the dreamer
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was dreaming. So you can kind of see somebody's dream
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either in real time or after. So that's a little interesting.
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But back to the main story here. So one of
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the nurses was working at a palliative care center, so
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or I guess medical sort of palliative. One of her
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patients actually went into a six months or so coma,
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and eventually, you know, they are trying to decide the
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family do we remove the life support? What's the choice?
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They didn't really give a clear I guess, real last
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testament before they went in. So the nurse, who was
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a little more shamanic, decided to go into kind of
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deep meditation, let's say, a shamanic journey, kind of intentional
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dream and managed to meet up, in her words, with
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the patient with the being or the spirit or the
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subconscious of the person who was in the coma and
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physical life and said hey. The person said, hey, where
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is everybody? They stopped coming the nurse in the dream
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or I guess the coma vision. The nurse said, well,
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they did come for a while, but it's been six
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months that you've been really just lying there. And the
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person said oh, well, I really would like to see
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so and so and so and so, and actually the
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nurse took notes of a list of about I think
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eight to ten people woke up, and that she called
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up family, friends and whoever and asked for those eight
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to ten people to come specifically by name. And then
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I think it was two days later, after they had visited,
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the patient passed on peacefully, even though they never woke
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from the coma. So a bit tough to prove, but
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interesting that after six months, all of a sudden they
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were done.
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You know, Craig, what was it that inspired you to
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do the work that you're doing with dream research.
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Well, there's lots of aspects to it. So most of
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what I do talk, even my language, jewelry, body haircut,
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theay or not on purpose, really just sort of naturally
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comes are affected by my own dreams. So I did
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have a big calling dream I call it sort of
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a life path or let's say, a career dream when
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I was younger and wishing, hey, what can I do
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with my talents and the different gifts that I've been
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fortunate to have a good upbringing and maybe a little
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bit of intelligence here and some of the skills that
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I had, and I had a big vision calling dream
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if I could be speaking, writing, and then later sort
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of sharing artistically music and film about some of the
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truths that I've experienced, some of the research data, some
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of the valuable things that can help people. I can
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share and express it through talks, music, film, And I
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guess that's the calling that led me on. There's lots
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of little stories and steps between now and then. That
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was kind of the seed, an interesting one, but Rob
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I'll just throw it in because it's the same story,
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so it's not just Greg web story.
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Here.
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In my recent book edition, which I just updated for
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twenty twenty six, I learned that Joni Mitchell had the
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same a very close similar kind of calling dream. She
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saw herself beautifully like making music, this incredible music like
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Rockman enough in a film that she knew and that
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it would really touch people's emotions. They'd be super happy
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and really moved. But the family was kind of poor
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there from southern Ontario, and so she said, okay, well
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can we have a piano? And she kept asking, but
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there was not enough funds for it. But eventually, I
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think maybe a year or so later, a big truck
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pulled up from some other city into the driveway, and
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there it was her piano, and that started her whole
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career which I think ten Grammys and eighteen other nominations
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and many many other awards and accolades later sparked by
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the DNA dream or the initial calling dream of hey,
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I can make beautiful music. So there's some of those
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out there who actually tracked that their whole life path
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came from a dream, and I guess I'm lucky.
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To be one of them.
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And of course, Joni Mitchell is a very famous Canadian folks.
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I heard that move down to the States. And wasn't
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she married to Geffen for a while?
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Entirely possible. I haven't followed my social media, but I
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know that she was very close with Prince, another sort
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of loocid dreaming artists, so they had a I guess,
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at least a very strong artistic nation. I'm not sure
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what else.
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So if somebody wants to become a dream analyst, is
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there such a profession as that?
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Absolutely? I mean there's right out of like the medical
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psychond psychoanalysis. You can go to the medical almost even
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like medication routes. You could become more of a psychologist,
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in which case you'll started working with I guess, the
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emotional elements, which sometimes they can also have a little
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more medical knowledge. Or you could just become let's say,
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more of a explorer practitioner of helping people with their dreams,
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leading classes, which there's a number of universities now that
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offer sort of degrees with that. And then what I
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encourage is, actually everybody is kind of a dream expert
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because we all get our own dreams privately, and our
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intuition is the same as sort of the dream channel,
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so we can kind of into it what the dreams
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start to mean with a little bit of reading, a
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little practice, and everybody could be a pretty good sort
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of analyst or expert for their own dreams their family.
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Maybe there's a lot of different dream books out there,
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and as a dream expert in your opinion, are those
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books any do they hold any value?
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Yeah? Well, certainly, any creative work has value for the
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person who had the process of creating it. So I'll
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never knock anything, but I think, like websites or like
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many of the emails we get, or anything else in life,
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there's so many gradations and levels. Some books are real
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watershed like Freud's interpretation of dreams, which I don't agree
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with all the content, but boy, he really broke ground
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back in nineteen hundreds and nobody was talking about it,
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and really he was sort of risking his reputation a
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little bit to go out on a ledge and talk
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about these crazy experiences people had could be valuable for psychoanalysis.
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And then there's some more recent ones medical books. Discovery
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of lucid dreaming and books about that by one of
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my mentors, Steven Lbersh at Stanford was a huge breakthrough
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for people having conscious dreams. Patricia Garfield, I'm sure many
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of the listeners no creative dreaming A really close friend
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of mine and wonderful woman who's passed on now, but
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that's I think still selling quite a few copies. That
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really encouraged people to do what I think Richard Wagner
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back in eighteen hundreds called dream interpretation, but we use
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the word pretty differently now. Back then, excuse me, he
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meant interpretation in an artistic sense, so.
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He would creates kind of operas and poetry and like
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a stage plays from the interpretation artistic representation of his
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dreams and Patricia's book really helped with bridging the science
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interpret So those.
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Are a few big ones. If people want to check
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them out, there's a whole list on the website or
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that I can refer to if people want to see
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specific categories of what might be a good author.
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So when Craig web has a dream, how do you
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analyze your dreams?
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That's a good one. So I'll sort of segue a
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little bit into how universal principles that I use can
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be used by anybody, and the students of mine and
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I guess different feedback from books and things, have had
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really good success with Personally, the number one thing I
747
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do is I befriend dreams, which sounds like a very
748
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vague or non scientific technique, and I do have a
749
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degree in physics. But friendship or let's say a relationship
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with is something that's going to last over time, and
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by the way, it's probably the most important friend in
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our life that's going to be there when all the
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other people come and go. You know, are deeper subconscious,
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and that way we're not trying to control the heck
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out of them, and we're also not ignoring them. You know,
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if the dream comes calling like a loud nightmare or
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a vision dream or something important. We don't just ignore it,
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so a friendship can grow into let's say, understanding how
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that part of us works. If we start watching our dreams.
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I would say another way that I do it and
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many people do, is just catch the first waking thought.
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I use the word thought, and I guess parentheses or
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quotes there. But the very first kind of let's say thought.
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It might not be visual, could even be like a
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little melody or a sensation in our body. But that
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first thing that comes right as we wake up, that's
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it could be something like, you know, the minutes or
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the action item from the whole night's dreaming. And if
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we just follow or contemplate or maybe act on that thought,
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we can usually get some of the gifts from our dreams. Otherwise,
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there's lots of great books, or start working with a group.
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Starting it's taking some classes with people who have gone
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that route quite a bit, or practice with a shamans.
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Many shamans are very good at interpreting or at least
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connecting people with that level of theirareness. There's lots of
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different routes for different people.
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How long do dreams last? Do they actually last the
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length of the dream in real time or is it
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just a moment in time that we are able to
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stretch out the time space continuum when we dream.
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That's a physics question there, I like it. How about
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you answer it from your experience, Because I've got lots
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of I've got the science and then the subjective.
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I would have to say that I'm not a physicist,
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So taking it from a layman's point of view, I
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would say that the length of the dream that we
787
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have is equal to the actual time that we would
788
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spend in our waking time having that dream.
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Yeah, well, depends on sort of what you mean by length.
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So that's what I meant by science or sort of
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measured eeg, kind of physical proof or subjective because dreams
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are a huge subjective, emotional experience. You know, maybe in
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one dream it was sort of like a movie scene
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cut to four years later. Now I'm with Dad, who's
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seven years you know, four years older. So the subjective
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experience could be much longer than the actual dream itself, right,
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just like a film. You know, four years might pass
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in the film, or four years might pass in the dream.
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An interesting little side study that I did with a
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database of I think ten thousand dreams, so a huge,
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huge amount. That many of the dreams had an estimated
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dreamer estimated time of how what the duration was, which
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was just a guess after awakening, but with a ten
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thousand number that starts to get a little accurate. The
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average time of a dream was four point two minutes,
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which is interesting. And I later found out this very
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strange connection which I had no idea doing the research,
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that the average YouTube video of I guess the most
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successful YouTube videos, but maybe all videos, I don't know,
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but I think the one that really get attraction or traffic,
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what's about four point two minutes. That's strange. So people's
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attention span is about the length of the average shortest dream.
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That's interesting.
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Craig West Web, Craig West, Yeah, Craig Web is our
815
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special guest, and we're talking about dreams this hour here
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in the X Zone. Craig West is my producer is
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somewhere down south. I believe, knowing Craig, he's got something
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to do with the events in Venezuela. So I keep
819
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on watching CNN from our studio monitors here, and I
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don't know. For some reason, I think that one of
821
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these times, I'm going to look up and I'm going
822
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to see Craig waving at us as he's hauled off
823
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by the military.
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Yeah, oh boy, Yeah, I hope he's okay. Well that
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Craig East wishes him well down there, and I'll watch
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your dreams in case. Dreams can be very protective.
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Stand by, Craig. We've got to take our final break.
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This is the X one. I'm Rob McConnell. We'll be
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back as we rap of this hour from our broadcast
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center in studios in Saint Catharines. Don't Go Away on.
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The Song Radio, where the truth finds away through the
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stories of ghosts that wander and sway, inviting the seekers
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who wasn't the Braid.
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Join us each episode. Let the curis.
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All right, this is the final segment. My friend does
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always thanks very much for joining us.
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Yeah, I'm glad it worked out. And I guess the
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season's greetings. I guess at least the very amazing year
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to Laura.
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All right, I will stand by. Here we go fifteen seconds.
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In a quiet town called Carrotman, near the River's Gentle Call,
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lived a woman with a light so pure she gave
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her love to all.
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She walked the streets of Mountree.
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All with grace and steady hands, working for the salvage
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folk from far off London lands.
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My mother, my friend, a soul.
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So kind, a guardian angel through.
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Space and time, with.
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Open arms and a heart so wide.
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She stood by me by every sight, from Candy's Lanes
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to Heaven's Hall.
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She was a guardian to all. Raised in a.
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Canly welcome back.
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Craig Web is our special guest speaking about Montreal. Craig
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is in Montreal. He does his research there and Craig
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can listeners contact you if they would like to send
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you one other weird, wacky, bizarre dreams. Yeah.
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I always love to hear from people new experiences. Sometimes
860
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I can offer a lot of guidance in a short
861
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.599
little message or email or if necessary, a call. If
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they want to go deeper, I leave teleclasses. People can
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check out Applied Dreaming dot com with two d's in
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the middle. They're Applied Dreaming. If they want to reach me,
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I guess for speaking engagements. Sometimes I've even done sort
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of like celebrity parties as dream Analyst or other shared
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music to dream inspired music. Craigweb dot Ca and I
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guess the way that I most serve many people is
869
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through my book The Dreams Behind the Music, two hundred
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top artists who actually dreamed many of their biggest hits.
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I'm sure the listeners know many dreams behind the Music.
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Dot com is that website.
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Can you share with us some of the artists that
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you've featured in your book and tell us a little
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bit about their dreams.
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Sure, that's a great one. By the way, I think
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there's two hundred and fifty or so now since it's
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a newly updated edition for twenty twenty six. Here we
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did mention about Joni Mitchell, which was a new one.
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00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:30.079
I added tonight one that might be of interest. Earlier
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we were talking about deceased people who come and visit
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us in dreams. Sammy Hager. I don't know if you recognize, Oh, yeah, rocker. Yeah,
883
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he's our famous rocker here. I think he was in
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various groups, but later he was pretty well known for
885
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.599
being in Van Halen. After David Lee Roth sort of
886
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:48.760
got the boot, I think, and he dreamt of the
887
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:51.880
deceased Eddie van Halen. I guess the band's namesake who
888
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.800
came in a dream and said Hey, I got this
889
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.719
amazing riff, remember this one. We practiced, played it for
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00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.000
him in the dream and said, let's make some music together,
891
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:01.800
bro and the dream he did, And I guess a
892
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.239
few years later put out the song to honor. I
893
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:07.239
guess because Eddie ben Halen has passed on. He wanted
894
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.440
to really say thank you and goodbye and bless his
895
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:12.920
journey and sort of close that life, that part of
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his life with gratitude, and he published that song. That's
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00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:18.559
one if I think about five or six stories where
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00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:24.440
artists wrote songs with in a collaboration with the deceased. Collaboration.
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00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.400
I mean, that's a weird word use of that word,
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00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:26.679
isn't it?
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00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:29.119
Walll Sure is it? Certainly is.
902
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:31.639
I'm a getting help from the other side for this. Yeah,
903
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:33.679
I need some arrangement. I'll just dream on dream with
904
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:34.480
him again tonight.
905
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:40.039
So who else said, who else has had their dreams
906
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help them to find fame and fortune?
907
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.239
Well, I love those ones because they're fascinating. So there's
908
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:51.239
an interesting one. Bono. Many people know you too, the
909
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:54.360
Big I think one of the top world groups of
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rockers actually dreamt this very interesting little riff Mystery Girls.
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00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.480
She's a mystery to me. And it was just before
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a big concert by you two at the Wembley Arena,
913
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:08.639
I guess in the UK there and he kind of
914
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:11.519
half awake, half asleep, said, oh, that sounds like an Orbison,
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00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:15.199
you know orbisonic. He's kind of noted it. They really
916
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:18.159
note their dreams you two days because they do. Right
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00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:20.400
song from me woke up and said, oh, there must
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00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:22.519
be Roy Orbison on the album that I had playing
919
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.039
like in the background while I was sleeping. And he
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00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:28.000
did see the song in Dreams on that album. It
921
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:31.159
was the Blue Velvet soundtrack for the David Lynch movie.
922
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:33.760
But he didn't see anything a mystery girl and go,
923
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oh it sounded like Orbison. Anyways, he started writing a
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bit that day. They went and the band did a
925
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sound check and he showed the guys, hey, there's this
926
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.280
interesting little melody. I think maybe I wrote it in
927
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my dreams sounds Does this sound like Orbison? Bandmates said,
928
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I don't know, it sounds pretty good. And then at
929
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:51.079
the end after the show there's a knock on the door.
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He's still working on the song, believe it or not.
931
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:57.480
After the concert, Bano right, and the knock is he says,
932
00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:00.639
the security guard brings them in because mister Arbison wants
933
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to speak to Bono. Didn't even never met him, didn't
934
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know he was in UK, certainly didn't know he was
935
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at the concert. And he came in and said, you know,
936
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good evening. Chancey had that quiet voice. The show was great.
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I really liked it. I can't say why I liked it,
938
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but I liked it. By the way, do you have
939
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:19.199
a song for me? That was like the third thing
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out of his mouth, and Bono says, well, I guess
941
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I do, and the guys in the band are saying, oh,
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you're Josh. Long story shorty. He wrote and composed the
943
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:29.360
song with the Edge, and actually it was recently in
944
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:33.920
the soundtrack for Aquaman movie Marvel, so there's a little
945
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:37.360
story behind the Aquaman love theme was Mystery Girl, which
946
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Bono and Orbison sort of wrote it. I guess in other.
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00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:47.719
Levels unreal wow, So dreams really do come true.
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Well when we act on them. So that kind of
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leads me to I guess my little soapbox here, I
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encourage people not just what their dreams mean. It's a
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00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:00.199
good question, but it's getting a little dated with of
952
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the intellectual analysis of dreams. It's okay, that's kind of
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one aspect of dreams understanding it, but I encourage people
954
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to ask, hey, what is my dream or what do
955
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:13.519
dreams want? You know, we have these dreams for our life,
956
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like our wishes in her career, but we also have
957
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:18.119
private personal dreams we wake up with in the morning
958
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and when we act on them, those inner I guess gifts, dreams, wishes,
959
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.320
sometimes intuitions. They can really help people. They come true,
960
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they become physical, and they can help people become inventions, songs,
961
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movies like my film, or like James Cameron, a colleague
962
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who I spoke to and I got him on a
963
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:39.599
big radio show and he said, yeah, Avatar, the I
964
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guess worldwide number one selling film of all time, came
965
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.159
from two dreams. One from his mom. She dreamed a
966
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tall blue warrior people in this alien landscape and he
967
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:49.679
thought that was really cool. And then he had to
968
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.840
dream about sort of this pile luminescent river and glowing
969
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.920
forest and glowing lake and stuff. He says, Wow, I'm
970
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:58.599
going to make this film. So I guess he had success.
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So it came true.
972
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:04.000
Avatar. Have you seen the new Avatar by the way
973
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:05.079
I have not.
974
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:07.719
It's in theaters now. I should check it out. The
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00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.239
ashes and snow is that one? Or fire and ashes?
976
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:11.519
Ashes and fire?
977
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:14.239
Yeah, I've heard a lot of mixed reviews. Should see
978
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:15.599
that you love it or you hate it?
979
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:17.079
Have you? No?
980
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:19.239
No, I haven't. I'm just going to wait until it
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comes out on DVD.
982
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:25.719
I saw the trailer. Yeah, DVD. Oh wow, that's like
983
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:29.239
dating ourselves here, DVD. Does anybody do that anymore? Have
984
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:30.320
a DVD player? A round?
985
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:30.639
Sure?
986
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:33.679
Okay, good. I'm joking a little bit here because I
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00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:36.159
use the analogy of a darn valuable dream. You know,
988
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:39.440
let's try to let's start become lucid and edit our DVD.
989
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:43.400
But most of the stuff nowadays is streaming, stream yard
990
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:44.480
and all these kind of things.
991
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:49.079
How can people best prepare themselves to have a good dream?
992
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:53.559
Oh, very good question. And in fact, I think another
993
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:57.400
soapbox moment here. So we have waking hygiene, like when
994
00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:00.599
we wake up for our day, right, often we comb
995
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:03.800
the hair, dress nicely, hopefully, shower or clean or put
996
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.199
on perfume or eye makeups or whatever we do. But
997
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.360
we prepare to go out into society, and we have
998
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:11.760
a whole ritual. But most people or many people anyways,
999
00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:14.599
have no kind of ritual or respect or don't think
1000
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:18.480
it's important to prepare for meeting our subconscious, maybe meeting
1001
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:21.760
other people on the inner net, like the Internet, but
1002
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:24.679
the inside net of dreams, and that we go to
1003
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:26.599
sleep with all our mind all over the place, or
1004
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:29.400
stressing about something or just you know, no intention or
1005
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:31.760
huge pizza, just you know, two minutes before we go
1006
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:34.559
to bed. So I encourage people to kind of get
1007
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.920
a quiet state. Think of it like meeting somebody pretty important.
1008
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:40.519
Have an intention. Maybe do you want to dream on
1009
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:42.960
a topic or a question you want to answer, or
1010
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:44.679
do you want to just have like a really rich
1011
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:47.800
creative state. So maybe you get a musical inspiration or
1012
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:50.880
an idea for the family party or something, and that
1013
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:54.360
state and that intention will work wonders for really really
1014
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:58.880
moving forward some enriching life waking moments. We may or
1015
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:00.920
may not remember the dream on it, but the next
1016
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:03.880
morning we might get an intuition or that first waking thought.
1017
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.800
It guides us to some really cool actions that are
1018
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.079
kind of dream inspired. The DNA, you know, the deep
1019
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:12.679
level behind the idea that comes in that early morning
1020
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.360
or the dream make up right and really work into
1021
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:18.239
this whole amazing event. That's quite different than just like
1022
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:20.760
I thought about it, I thought about it. No, it
1023
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:23.480
comes from a deeper intuitive level and it usually helps people.
1024
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:29.039
Is there any specific time of the night when people,
1025
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:32.719
you know dream more than others?
1026
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:37.840
Well, there are sleep cycles, there's circadian rhythms. The Labs
1027
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:41.920
research shows that they're not perfectly matched to everybody on
1028
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.480
every night, So there's trends. Let's say, usually about every
1029
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:49.159
ninety minutes we'll have a cycle, and during the ninety
1030
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:53.119
minutes there's different stages and states. Sometimes, you know, you
1031
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:55.559
have that just falling asleep. Ever had that rub where
1032
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:57.760
you're sort of like you come too quickly or you
1033
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.000
shake or you feel like you're falling or you jump
1034
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:01.400
a little bit when you're falling asleep.
1035
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:03.239
Yeah, that iPad.
1036
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:07.639
Yeah, So that's usually what they call the hypnopompic or
1037
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:11.320
just falling into sleep hypnogogic. As I guess falling into
1038
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:12.679
sleep hypnopompic is just like.
1039
00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:15.519
Isn't hypnogogic the old high syndrome?
1040
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.119
No, that could be. It's related in the way that
1041
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.920
there's an experience going on when we're sort of half awake,
1042
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:26.199
but hypnogogic is usually referred to as the little visions
1043
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:31.239
before dreams. Some of the artists, like example, Robert Lewis Stevenson, Yeah,
1044
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:33.920
the big writer, I guess, doctor Jackyl mister Hyde, many
1045
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:36.760
other I think he was also a musician. He's in
1046
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:40.639
my book. But anyway, he would get his inspirations from
1047
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:44.159
the little brownies he called them, who would sort of
1048
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.719
meet him just at the start of sleep. But for
1049
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:51.239
most people that's usually short, not too remembered. The dreams
1050
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:54.039
we remember usually towards the end of each ninety minute cycle,
1051
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:56.320
and we call it the rim R e M. Rapid
1052
00:59:56.360 --> 01:00:01.400
eye movement. The visual dreams and those periods of RAM
1053
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:04.239
or I guess visual dreaming, they lengthen throughout the night.
1054
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.800
So usually the best dreams to answer your original question,
1055
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.320
or the most easy dreams to recall, are the ones
1056
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:13.880
during the early morning or actually right near waking, because
1057
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:16.320
we probably have about like twenty to thirty minutes of
1058
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:19.519
RAM and lots of you know, lots of things going
1059
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.119
on in our emotions and stuff, and also our waking
1060
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.480
and dreaming minds are very close together, so the recall
1061
01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:26.920
should be a little better. So just try to catch
1062
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that last dream we wake up with. Usually it's a
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bit of an action item. What did this dream want?
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It's a good question when you wake up with that.
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I had a friend who would actually fall asleep with
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the television on and he could enter a dream state
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of that television program.
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Oh okay, so we kind of dreamt into the scenario
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on TV.
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Yeah, that's pretty interesting. That's how you know.
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None of the listeners are doing that, right, I doubt
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stay awake for the rest of that maybe after the show.
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That's it. Especially if you're driving your car on the
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qwor or the yeah, you know, any other road here
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here in Ontario. We don't want you getting into problems
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with the opp or the NRP.
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We've got a huge conference happening now on that theme.
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I mean, that's one of the elements. It's called the
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Dream Engineering Conference. I'm not super happy about the title
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or the idea of engineering dreams because it may be
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not always recognizing that there's a pretty sacred space there too.
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Let's just crush and do what we want with it, Craig,
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We've gotaiting next weekend, all right, Craig.
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We've got about thirty seconds before I have to say
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so long, so quickly, let our listeners know how they
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can find out more about you and how they can
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visit your websites.
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Okay, well, thanks again for having me on Robin Pleasure.
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My listener's got something beneficial. Come visit Dreams beehind the
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music dot com and you can reach and email me
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through there and check out my book Different Music and
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reach out to me.
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We love it all right. That's Craig web in Montreal.
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Dreams has been the topic of this first hour of
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tonight show. I'll be back on the other side of
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this news break as we continue here in the X
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Zone with yours truly, Rob McConnell from our broadcast center
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and studios in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada. And you're listening
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to us on the xone Broadcast Network, Talk Star Radio Network,
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Mutual Broadcast Network, and on your hometown radio Classic twelve
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twenty c FAJA M right here in Saint Catharines, Ontario,
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and they stream us around the world at Classic twelve
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twenty dot CA. Don't go away, We'll be right back.
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Tales of the ancients in the Stories were told from
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haunted old houses, to the echo in halls. We seek
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the unknown, where Mistery call.
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On the Exone radio, where the truth finds away through
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the stories of ghosts that wander and sway, inviting the seekers.
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Who was in the break
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Joined us each episode, let the Curis say, with voices
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like Larry and Paul at the help
