Rob McConnell Interviews - BARBARA CAMP - On the Seventh Day God Rested

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Some men climb a mountain Some men swim the sea
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Some men fly above the sky They are what they
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must be But baby, the rain must fall Baby, the
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wind must.
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Blow Wherever my heart leads me Baby, I must go Baby,
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I must go.
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I do not love for silver.
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I do not love for gold My heart.
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Is mine to give away.
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It never will be sold. So baby, the rain must fall. Baby,
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the wind must blow. Wherever my heart leads me.
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Baby, I.
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And welcome back to the Exxon, everyone. My name is
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Rob McConnell. We're coming to you from our studios in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada,
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My guest this hour is Barbara Camp, and following her
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Midwest childhood and studying interior designs at the University of Illinois,
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Barbara spent expatriate years in Milan, London, and Paris as
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a fashion industry makeup artist. New York City has been
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home for Barbara over the past two decades, where favorite
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activities include snapping stockpiled SX-70 Polaroids, and hunting for treasure
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in thrift shops. Having read the entire Bible a lucky
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13 times for research, On the Seventh Day God Rested
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is Barbara Camp's first book. A New Testament sequel is
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in the wings. Now joining us from the beautiful city
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of New York is Barbara Camp. Hey, Barbara, welcome to
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the X-Zone.
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Thank you so much, Rob. I'm thrilled to be here.
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Thank you so much.
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We are so happy that you're here. Tell me about,
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where did the inspiration for your book, On the Seventh
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Day God Rested, come from?
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On the Seventh Day God Rested is basically, and the
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subtitle is 33 New Lessons from the Old Testament. It
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is a book of the epic, miraculous Old Testament stories. However,
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they are cast in modern times.
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And....
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I am a baby boomer. I think that boomers grew
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up in a particularly wild and woolly time culturally. And
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many of us have become more conservative or certainly more
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spiritual as we've grown older. And that, having had free
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license to go completely nuts while we were young, I've become,
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I know New York City, I've lived, I was raised
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in the Midwest and I moved to Europe for several
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years and I've lived in New York City for 23 years,
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and for whatever reason, New York has totally brought out
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the spiritual side in me. And I started going to
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church again, and I had this idea to... Actually, my
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book is On the Seventh Day God Rested. I've written
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and illustrated. Wow. And I started drawing illustrations of the
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most miraculous stories, and then I added text, and then
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the book was bought and put under contract, and... The
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rest is history. But, you know, I think the Bible
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is certainly as modern as it is ancient.
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You know what? You're right.
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And people are so intimidated by it that they would
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never pick it up. I mean, the length and breadth
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of the Bible is something that people never feel that
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they can get through.
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Hey, Barbara, hold that thought. You and I have to
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take a two-minute commercial break. We'll be right back. XO Nation,
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our very special guest this hour, is the one and
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only Barbara Camp. She's the author of On the Seventh
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Day God Rested. Her website is www.barbaracamp.com.
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I do not love for good Hey.
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Lady, you lady Cursing at your life You're a discontented
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mother And a regimented wife I've no doubt you dream
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about The things you'll never do But I wish someone
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had to talk to me Like I want to talk
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to you Ooh, I've been to Georgia and California And
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anywhere I could run Took the hand of a preacher
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man And we made love in the sun But I
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ran out of places and friendly faces because I had
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to be free. I've been to paradise, but I've never
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been to me.
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XO Nation, we're so happy that Barbara Camp is with
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us this hour. Her website is www.barbaracamp.com. She's the author
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of On the Seventh Day God Rested. It's available online.
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on iUniverse.com, Amazon.com, and retail and internet venues worldwide. Once again,
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her website is www.barbaracamp.com, and the name of her book
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is On the Seventh Day God Rested. Barbara, welcome back.
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Thank you so much, Rob.
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Okay, we were talking about your book and why the Bible.
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Right, and why I had written this book. Yes. And
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you know, I think that we're living, I think the
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technology has compelled us to operate at a maniacal pace. Mm-hmm.
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We really are globally connected. And, you know, these catastrophic
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headlines can't diminish the bulletproof inspiration that's in the bestseller
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of all time. I mean, I think most of us
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feel like, you know, our lives are no day at
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the circus, unless, of course, we're the aerialists dangling by
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our teeth. Right. You know, times are very difficult, and
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particularly given the financial recession that we've been through and
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continue to go through. People are searching for real answers, but,
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you know, once again, I mentioned that the Bible is
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intimidating to people because of its length and breadth and,
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you know, it's mysterious, yet it is as modern as
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it is ancient. And, you know, I have written these
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stories in modern scenarios. My Parting of the Red Sea
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story is about... the St. Jude Hospital in Memphis and
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how when it opened, the survival rates for acute lymphoblastic
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leukemia were 4%, and now they're 80%. My man in
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the desert story is about being self-employed for 25 years
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and earning a living. My Tower of Babel story is
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specifically about technology and cell phones and texting and My
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Creation of Adam story in the book is about the
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DNA code and how that has revolutionized everything, including crime solving.
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Samson and Delilah is about feminism, and my job is
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a playboy bunny. And, you know, a very famous feminist journalist.
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Hey, wait a sec. Hold on here. Hold on here.
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Let's do a bit of a backtrack here. My ears
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perked up, and I don't have bunny ears, and so
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do my producers. Craig, you were a playboy bunny?
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Yes, I was a Playboy bunny during my college years.
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I went to University of Illinois, and my summer, the
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summer of 1974, I worked as a Playboy bunny at
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the Lake Geneva Playboy Club in Wisconsin, which, of course,
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we couldn't date the key holders, which I jokingly refer
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to as these guys with shirts unbuttoned to their waist
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and their knick-knack shirts unbuttoned to their waist and their
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gold chains and their cups and necklaces. Nor could we
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date the employees. So we were a bunch of college
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girls just hanging out up in Wisconsin making piles of
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money and water skiing. And my Samson and Delilah story
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in my book is about feminism 40 years later. and
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how being a bunny was considered this vacuous, sexist job.
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But I wiggled that goofy cottontail all the way to the.
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Bank, paid for my college education, and now, 40 years later,
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I think we need to lose the stigma that's attached
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to stay-at-home wife and mother, because that, in fact, is
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the most important work any parent can do.
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But the Playboy story is very funny. In fact, I'm
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writing a New Testament book, and my Last Supper story
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is about being... Actually, one of the definitions is top chef.
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Of course, the Last Supper is about the biblical Last Supper.
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But the part of the story deals with when you're
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hired as a bunny and they fit you in your costume.
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You cannot gain a gram or your eyes will bulge.
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My Noah's Ark story in On the Seventh Day God
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Rested is about typing, how no one in a million
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years ever thought typing would be useful. And we all thought, well,
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I'm not going to be a secretary. What am I
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going to do with this? And now, you know, the
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entire world is brought to its knees by its ability
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to type. So, you know, we're all typing away, but
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I feel like Noah was building his ark and thinking,
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there's no rainfall. What's going on? My temptation in the
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garden story is about Iraq. What if Adam and Eve
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had gone in a time machine to the 21st century?
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Would they have eaten the fruit? If they could see
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what the modern-day knowledge of good and evil would be,
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would they have eaten the fruit?
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Good question.
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So my temptation in the garden story is about our
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decisions and the decisions that we make and how... We're
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able to live in the moment, but, you know, all
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of these series of events are so interconnected that it's
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very important to think about all of your decisions. My
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Jonah story is about this just cacophonous distraction that's out
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there known as, you know, you go to look for
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an aspirin and there's an entire wall of pain relievers.
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You look for a book and, you know, there's like
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five gazillion titles. Everything has become so... Our society and
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the way we live has become so over-proliferated that it's
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hard to hear the voice. I mean, God says to Jonah,
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go to Nineveh. So the first thing he does is
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take an about-face to Tarshish, and of course he eventually
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does go to Nineveh. So just hearing that voice amongst
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all of the chaos is very, very important. My Psalm
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23 story is about Dr.
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Adam.
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I'm so sorry, Rob. I'm getting all choked up talking
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about God. My Psalm 23 story is about Martin Luther
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King's letter from Birmingham City Jail.
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And, of course, it's probably one of the most beautifully
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written compositions of all time. And though he walked through
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the valley of the shadow of death, I mean, his
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legacy is much bigger than the person.
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You know, we're all going to die. The statistics are
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still one out of one.
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Mm-hmm.
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And the legacy that we leave is.
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Isn't that what makes us the person that we are
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or the person that we were?
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I think so.
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You know, I also... My Esther story is about... It's
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about abortion and it's about how we may be... And,
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you know, one of the definitions is contraception, exercising your
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right to choose whether or not you become pregnant. And,
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you know... we may be aborting the very souls that
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were meant to be curing cancer and AIDS. I mean,
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I am not preachy on the subject. It's obviously a
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very polarizing subject.
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Do you believe in predestination, a predestiny, and that we
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all have a life plan to follow?
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Well, you know, part of what I was mentioning in
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the Zester story is that we have no control over
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the date and time of our birth, the socioeconomic class,
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our sex, our IQ... our physical appearance. I mean, all
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of these things are so much a part of who
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we are when we come on the scene. I mean,
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that in itself I think is predestination.
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So if we're looking at that as being part of predestiny,
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if someone decides to have an abortion because of whatever
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reasons that they see predestined, As you notice, I'm treading
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very carefully here. If they, for one reason or another,
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decide to exercise their right not to continue with the pregnancy,
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isn't it possible that it was meant that this child
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was not to be born and that this soul was
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to be returned and come back at a later time?
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Well, I think that, obviously, God knows those things. And,
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you know, I think that we are all eternal souls. Actually,
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the story that I wrote in my book is a
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very personal one, and I won't go into it on
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the air, but it is from a personal experience. It
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is growing up in a generation of women that the
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pill came on the scene, abortion was legal, the sexual
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revolution was in full throttle, and this generation, if we
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spend our entire lives trying not to get pregnant, When
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we did become pregnant, we had abortions, and the same
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generation of women in their 40s have tried desperately through
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in vitro to get pregnant. So I think that's as
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much of a part of God's plan as the children
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that were aborted. I mean, I think we're eternal souls.
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I think that those children live on. I think that
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the mother that has, in fact, terminated a pregnancy will
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be reunited with that child. Yes. I think that things, yes,
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obviously do happen for a reason. I spoke of my
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own personal experience in how I was on location with
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a model and she was pregnant and I said, you know,
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I said the same thing to her about what I
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just said. You know, I grew up in a generation
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of women and this was just what we did. And
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I said, you know, I'm not going to tell you
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what to do. I just want you to pray for
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guidance because I know it's there for you and I'll
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be praying for you. And I said, you know, in
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any number of things in my life, I have so
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single-handedly changed the course of my life and the lives
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of others that my life has been connected to, but
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God uses that. God is not about punishing. God is
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about instruction and taking the thing that... is unfortunate in
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turning it into a learning lesson. All I can say
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to your listeners is I encourage them to buy On
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the Seventh Day God Rested. And if you want to
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read a very moving story, go to the story of
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Esther first. Well, actually this isn't lighthearted, but my David
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and Goliath story is about Kirk Douglas hiring Dalton Trumbo
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to write Spartacus. And then insisting, and, you know, Dalton
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Trumbo was not only blacklisted, but he was one of
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the Hollywood unfriendly 10. So, I mean, he was basically
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a leper screenwriter.
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And he wrote Spartacus, you know, under wraps. And then
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when the movie was being post-production, Kirk Douglas insisted that
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Dalton Trumbo's name go on the opening credits. And everyone said, oh,
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my God, you'll never work. And, oh, my God, you know, like, ugh,
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that's a career of suicide. And he said, I don't care.
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He wrote it. His name's going on the opening credits. And,
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you know, Kirk Douglas single-handedly broke the blacklist. So all
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to say that these stories are, they're very, they are
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interwoven with pop culture that everyone can relate to. There
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That's B-A-R-B-A-R-A-C-A-M-P dot com. That's barbaracamp.com. Barbara, have you had
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any miracles in your life?
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Well... Writing a book of Bible stories after having gone
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to a convent boarding school. In fact, the first line
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in my first story is, before I was a playboy bunny,
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I attended a Catholic convent boarding school in the Midwest
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called Ladywood. And after the convent experience, I am the
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last person anyone would ever have expected to write a
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book about God. And I challenge people to either ask
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my friends and family, or if they don't believe it,
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ask the Sisters of Providence. I would say that, yeah,
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I think that me coming to this point with my
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wife and writing a book of Bible stories is probably miraculous.
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Why?
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Why would that be? You were in a convent, you know,
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for some reason you went to the convent and wasn't
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Wasn't theology or religion one of the main stay subjects
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in a convent?
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Well, I went to a convent Catholic boarding school. I
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did not, you know, I wasn't in the convent to
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prepare to become a nun. I merely was at a
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girls' boarding school, and it was a Catholic school, and
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there were nuns. There were definitely nuns. This was, I
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started high school in 1969, so.
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You know, when everyone else was wearing buckskin fringe jackets,
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I was wearing box-pleated herringbone tweeds, which, you know, weren't
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necessarily what people were sporting in 1969. But, you know, I,
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like a lot of people in my generation, I think
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that religion was, even if you were raised in a
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religious upbringing, and you know what I think is unfortunate
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is so many people hold their feelings about God hostage
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to that belief upbringing, you know, religion can be polarizing,
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but consider how many other lifelong decisions, you know, like
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if you come to the conclusion at 14 that you
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do not want any religion or any spirituality, not so
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much spirituality, but you just don't understand God, I mean,
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how many other decisions do you make at 14 that
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have no expiration date? I mean, people dismiss religion as irrelevant, although...
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You know, you wouldn't dismiss the practice of medicine, even
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though the field is populated with, you know, amateurs and
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quacks and obviously reputable people. But I think it's unfortunate
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that people hold God hostage to the religion of their youth.
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Long-winded way to say I'm the last person that would
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ever write a book of Bible stories, and that in
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itself is miraculous. You know, I've been self-employed for 25
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years in.
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The United States, in Milan, London, Paris, and New York.
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And things happen. My Man in the Desert story in
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my book is about being self-employed and how freakishly work
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comes to me. And I was buying a stereo, and
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they undercharged me. And I said, you know, I don't
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think you've charged me for one of the speakers, and this.
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Is $ 300 less.
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Mm-hmm. you know, the guy couldn't believe that I was
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bringing it to his attention. And sure enough, I got
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home juggling all these boxes and the phone was ringing
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and it was an art buyer from J. Walter Thompson
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calling to book me for a makeup job for $ 3, 000.
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And I mean, it was literally 10 times 300. And,
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you know, God says, give us his first 10, give
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us our, give him our first 10%. And, you know,
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I just passingly said, I think I've been undercharged. And
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literally it came whiplash way around. the same day. I mean,
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you know, they booked me for a job three days,
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a thousand dollars a day, and it was literally 10
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times the amount that I had, uh, called to their
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attention as a stereo steward. So I, that's miraculous, but
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you know, I see big and little miracles every day.
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I think when you look into the face.
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Of an infant, Oh, big time. Oh, I couldn't agree
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with you more.
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You know, babies are, uh, they're miraculous.
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Um, Or just take a walk through a garden and
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look at the flowers, you know, how the insects work
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with the flowers and how the bees pollinate the fruit
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trees for the rest of us. You know, you look
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and you see that everything works together. And then, of course,
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you've got BP who drills oil in the middle of
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the Gulf of Mexico and starts screwing up the environment left, right,
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and center.
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Yeah, yeah. You know, and their blowout preventer had been damaged,
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and that's why that happened. And I haven't. great old
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gal friend lives in Kentucky. Her daddy invented the blowout preventer.
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And I know that he didn't invent it to malfunction
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like that. And, you know, the fellow that was in
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charge of the operation, who was the last person off
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the rig, was on 60 Minutes not long.
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After the accident.
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I don't know if you saw that.
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No, I didn't.
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But, yeah, there's all sorts of man-made intervention that causes
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things to go awry. But, you know, as I mentioned
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in this Jonah story, we are so... We are just
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so bombarded with information and products and news, and, I mean,
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we can't hear.
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We have to really make an effort.
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To hear that small voice. You know, we have to
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make an effort to hear the spiritual in the temporal.
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And it's there. And when you're tuned to that station,
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there is nothing more exciting. I mean, I've seen and heard, and,
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you know, you go to some of these gospels. I've
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gone to all sorts of... churches over the years. As
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I mentioned, I was raised a Catholic, or I mentioned
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having gone to a convent boarding school. I consider myself
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a non-denominational Christian, although I so cherish my Catholic upbringing.
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I so love going to Baptist gospel churches in Harlem.
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It's there. The great tragedy that we're living through is
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that we don't have time. I mean, we are so distracted.
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that it is hard to hear, it's hard to gravitate
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to the spiritual with all of this, with all of
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the mortal. But that doesn't mean it's not there, and
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I think that God is still performing miracles at a
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steady clip. Definitely, definitely, definitely.
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Why do you think people in today's society seem to
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be turning back to spirituality for guidance?
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Oh, my God, I mean... volcanoes, tsunamis.
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Yeah, but there's been volcanoes. There's been tsunamis throughout time.
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It's just the advent of the instantaneous communications that we
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have that brings it to people's attention. But besides that,
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why do you think instead of going to all the
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technological resources that we have to find out the reason,
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they're going back to their spiritual roots.
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Hey, by the way, God Googled. The opening line of
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my introduction is, God Googled exists. 400 and da-da-da-da-da. God
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Googled exists. 563 million search results. Evidence of beauty. Experts agree.
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I mean, you can go onto eBay and there are 30,000, 40,000
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hits for God, even on eBay. Yeah. I think that people,
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we've come to a time where we realize that we
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have worshipped the created versus the creator. And, you know,
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the created does not bring us any deep sense of pleasure.
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You know, I have a story in my book about suicide.
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and I'm really hitting on all the gruesome parts here.
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Blaise Pascal, famous mathematician, famous, you know, famous, famous, famous, brilliant,
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brilliant mind. He said... Every human heart has a God-shaped vacuum.
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And I think that emptiness is often, and most often,
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the human condition, whether you succeed or you fail. You know, people,
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and there's only one thing that can fill that up. And,
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you know, we've all got 20-20 faith. People say, oh,
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I need more faith, and oh, I do.
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Sure.
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We all have 20-20 faith. It just needs to be
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directed at the right friend, Puba. And it's not that
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new Rolex, and it's not the Ferrari, and it's not
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a great new house. It's not the... The pearls of
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wisdom really are the pearls of wisdom, and they are spiritual,
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and they come from the mouth of God. And it's...
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It's tragic that we live through such a distracting time.
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That's why I think times are tough now. Things have
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always been tough. That is the human condition. And, you know, suffering,
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I think, is a very important part of life. My
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Job story in the book is about John Nash, the mathematician.
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I think the book was A Brilliant Mind, and then,
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of course, the film was made of the book that
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Russell Crowe, I think it was Russell Crowe, starred as
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John Nash. I mean, that guy's life, schizophrenic, you know,
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physician heal thyself, he ends up with the Nobel Prize
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in Economics. I think it was 1994 that he won that. And,
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I mean, I'm not saying that schizophrenia, that, you know,
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I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. And, you know,
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mental illness and depression are, you know, they're out there
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big time. But that story had a really happy ending.
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I mean, that story came full circle. in such a
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remarkable way. Suffering is redemptive, but I think we suffer
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most when we don't go to this unlimited spiritual bank
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account that we have access to every single moment of
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our lives. You know, we all have a spiritual arsenal
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24-7 to combat fear and worry and, you know, all
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of these things. I mean, my Fear is such a huge, huge,
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huge thing. I mean, you know, fear is an epidemic.
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And we have an arsenal to fight it every single moment.
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And all we need to do is go to it.
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I'm addressing these issues far more... Well, you know, the
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New Testament book is... It's a book of New Testament stories, obviously.
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It deals a great deal with Christ and.
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The crucifixion, you know, the intervention on the cross, and again,
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it's a lighthearted book. I mean, you know, these are
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deeply serious, and I'm very reverent in these stories, but
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they also have been translated into a format that anyone
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can relate to them, and that's what I think is
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important about the Bible, that people, you know, it's my
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hope that people would read my book and then pick
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up the Bible. You know, you can read the entire thing,
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and it You can read my book in two hours,
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but you can read the entire Bible in a year,
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broken up into daily readings. So, you know, I think people,
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you know, when tackling it, small increments at a time.
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Tell me this. Tell me this. How do you think
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the Bible would have been written if the events that
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happened in biblical times happened today with all the knowledge
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that we have of the sciences, of the telescopes, of
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the the information highway that we have access to, as
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well as the new science of quantum physics and quantum mechanics,
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would the Bible still be as mystical as it is?
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Well, you know, it was written over 1,500 years. So
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I'm sure that the first author making the first entry
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probably felt the same way. And the Bible was written
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by 40.
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Different people over a 1,500-year span. So that, I think,
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is comparable to the scenario that you are picturing.
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For example, would we call the angels angels, or would
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we call them extraterrestrials?
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Good question. I don't know the answer to that. You know,
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I also have a chapter in my book, The Moses
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and the Burning Bush Story, is about science. I'm so sorry,
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I just put a cough drop in. It's about science
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and God. And in fact, you know, I begin my
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stories with the Scripture and then definitions that are applicable
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to the text in the story. And since that story
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is about science, one of my definitions is string theory,
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and then the next definition is string bikini theory, which,
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you know, obviously is a lighthearted take on string theory. But,
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you know, what God created... everything, then science would be
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part of that creation. You know what I mean? Even Einstein,
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one of Einstein's famous quotes is, God does not play
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dice with the universe. There's a very famous theologian, and
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he's actually an Anglican priest, his name is Sir John Polkinghorne.
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He is one of the preeminent physicists of the 20th century,
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and he has written, literally spoken in written volumes about
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the god of science. And, you know, James Collins, I
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think his name is. He is one of the two people.
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James Collins? I have it in my book. My Creation
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of Adam story is about the DNA code. And J.
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Craig Venter and, I want to say James Collins, and
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please forgive me if I got this wrong because he's
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a genius. They were the two men that cracked the
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DNA code. The DNA was discovered in 1953 by Kirk
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and Watson. And then 2000, Collins and Venter cracked the code.
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They came up with the four links. And, you know,
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James Collins is a hugely, hugely, hugely religious man.
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All right, stand by, Barbara. You and I have to
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take our final break. Barbara Kemp is our guest. www.barbarakemp.com
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That's Barbara, C-A-M-P dot com. We'll be back on the
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other side of this break. Don't go away.
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I don't care.
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She said, love don't come easy. It's a game of
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give and take. I can't hurry love. No, you just
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have to wait. You gotta trust this time. No matter how.
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Long it takes, but how many heartaches must I stand
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before I find enough to let me live again? Right
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now the only thing that keeps me hanging.
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On when I feel my strength.
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Yeah, it's almost gone. I remember mama said no.
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Welcome back, everyone. Barbara Camp is our special guest. She's
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the author of On the Seventh Day God Rested, and
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it's available through iUniverse.com, Amazon.com, and retail internet venues worldwide.
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Her website is www.barbaracamp.com. That's B-A-R-B-A-R-A-C-A-M-P.com. Barb, it's been great
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having you on the show. What would you like to leave...
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After somebody has read your book on the seventh day
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God rested, what would you like them to walk away with?
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What's the message you want them to leave with?
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You know, the overall takeaway, everything old is new again.
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The messages of the Bible are timeless. They're as modern
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as they are ancient. And I, you know, this book,
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it's time to think outside the biblical box. I mean,
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I say that, again, it is a very reverent book.
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But it is written in a way that anyone can
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embrace it. And, you know, I... A lot of religious
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books preach to the choir. This does not. This is...
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This book is for agnostics and skeptics and atheists, and
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it's a very... You know, I'm bragging. I don't mean to.
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It's fun.
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It's a fun book. Dr. Francis S. Collins is the
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geneticist that co-wrote the DNA code in.
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June 27, 2000, New York Times front page, Dr. Francis S. Collins,
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and his book is The Language of God. But anyway,
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major scientist, major believer. There's a lot to believe in.
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I guess that's what I would like to say. There's
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a lot to believe in. And we all have 20-20 faith.
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It just needs to be pointed at the right grand poobah.
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um you know there's a lot of i don't know
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i think there's a lot of deception out there i
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think that you know but pure and simple um god
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is love and in any uh you know when you
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see love you see god you see you know but
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god is love in the purest form and love and
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fear cannot coexist so you know where does that leave
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fear other than ready for us to take our aim
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and obliterate it from our lives. And, you know, we
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have a great, great, great, great caring provider and source
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of love at our disposal any possible moment. And I
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would hope that the listeners have enjoyed this interview. My
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apologies for the scratchy delivery.
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Hey, you don't worry about that.
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All of a sudden, if I start talking in an interview, granted,
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my throat will probably become scratchy or dry. But I
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can't thank you enough for spending the time and having
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me on your show, Rob. And it's been absolutely delightful
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to talk to you.
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It's been a great pleasure for me, Barbara. I look
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forward to talking to you in the future. I'd love
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to talk to you the next time you're with us
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about your new book.
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Absolutely.
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A New Testament.
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I can tell you a couple of stories from it.
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All right.
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Until then, you take care of yourself. Great talking to you,
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and we'll speak to you the next time you join
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us here in the X-Zone. So until then, be good,
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be happy, and be safe.
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Many, many thanks, Rob. God bless.
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You take care of yourself. Now, Barbara Camp has been
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my special guest this hour. She's the author of On
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the Seventh Day God Rested. It's available, let's see, through iUniverse.com, Amazon.com,
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and retail internet venues everywhere worldwide. Her website, www.barbaracamp.com. I'll
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be back after the news. Don't go away.