Rob McConnell Interviews - CERRIDWEN FALLINGSTAR - Shaman, Witch, and Priestess

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All Henry, Welcome to the X Zone, a place where
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Rob McConnell.
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Bank. Good evening, one and all, and welcome back to
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guest tonight is the young lady I've had the pleasure
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of having on the show before. Her name is Sarahodin
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Falling Star, and she has a pioneering priestess in the
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feminist spirituality of movement. She's helped ignite in the nineteen seventies.
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She is a renowned lecturer and teacher of magic and
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shamanistic spiritual development classes. She has appeared on programs ranging
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from AMLA Morning Show, OPRAH, Channel Time, Magazine, Readers, Digest, CNN,
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and a national geographics special. Joining me now from San
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Geronimo in California, is my guest this hour shared Wind
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Falling Starr and Sarah And welcome back to the X.
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I'm great have you with us again.
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Wonderful to be back. Rob. It's great to see you.
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What have you been up to you you're one of
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the busiest ladies I know.
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Well, my latest book has come out Cold Rocket in
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My Pocket. Uh So, this is a humor memoir of
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my life as a pagan priestess and some of the
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funnier things that have gone on, and also starting really
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in my childhood, where you know, my father was a
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rocket scientist. He designed the space rockets during the Space Race.
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He designed that first big spy in the sky satellite
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that took pictures of Soviet installations. So I grew up
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very much in the Cold War, the belly of the
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beast of the Cold War, where they were very much
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hoping to go to the Moon. And then of course I,
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priestess started drawing down the moon and having a somewhat
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different lunar relationship than my father did. It's kind of
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a heartbreaking time for me right now, because my father
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was a very loyal Republican back in the days where
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they were Eisenhower Republicans and you could be a decent
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person and be a Republican. And if he could see
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now the party that he loved, you know, kowtowing to
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Putin and well more than flirting with fascism, you know,
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really really trying to replace democracy with oligarchy and fascism,
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well he would just roll over in his grave. I'm
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glad he's not here to see it.
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These are very trying times for many people, not just
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in the United States or up here in Canada, but
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right around the world. We have the president going after
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the European Union. He wants to he wants to take
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over Greenland Ellsbire Island. He wants to make Canada the
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fifty first state. He's going to be going into the
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Panama Canale's looking at making the Gaza Strip into the
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Club med of the of the Middle East. And it
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seems that nobody is able to stop this man.
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Well, you know, I think there is process, you know,
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there's progress. You know, the Democrats are trying various things.
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The judges are, you know, issuing restraining orders and pretty
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much as quickly as as he can try and make
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a bad plan. The judiciary is for the most part
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doing their job trying to trying to stop him. And
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this is where we'll find out, you know, how well
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our checks and balances work. But since the Republicans right
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now control both the House and the Senate, although by
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very slim margins, the Democrats' friends will not be able
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to get enough votes to impeach and get him, say, arrested,
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don't I don't think it can. I hope it could
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work that way. But unless some of the Republicans come
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to their senses, which doesn't look like they are right now.
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But you know something you can do, even if you're
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not a citizen of the United States, you also can call,
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you know, the representatives and senators of our country and
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tell them how you feel, as say a citizen of
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Canada or wherever you are in the world, that you
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feel that your security is being undermined, and that you know,
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the Pax Americana, for all its faults, does need to last.
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You know that the keeping of peace. You know, we've
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had a fairly peaceful time of it in this world
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for a while. Exceptions, of course, in all the places
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we know about, but overall, people have been moving in
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a more peaceful direction, and we need that to keep going.
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I've been speaking to a number of my friends down
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in the US, and it seems that the business people,
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the industrialists, the consumers can all read the writing on
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the world wall. But this isn't something that is just
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going to be hard on Canada or the other nations
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that he is hitting with tariffs. But it's also going
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to be very hard on the American families. It's going
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to cost more, everything is going to increase.
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That's what I'm hoping is that enough of the enough
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of the rich people who don't want the stock market
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to go down, who don't want tariffs to cut into
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their profits. Hopefully enough of the rich people will start
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pressuring the Republicans and pressuring Trump to let go of
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some of his more stupid ideas. Well, they're all stupid ideas,
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like well of the economically stupid ideas, you know. And
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he's already backed off the tariffs quite a bit. And
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I don't think that the teriff idea is going to stand.
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I think the I think the rich people will have
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something to say about that, and those are the people
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he will listen to.
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I have never seen a president spend so much time
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in front of a camera, having all this media attention
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in the in the oval office, and signing executive order
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after executive order after executive war Is this common practice for.
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Never never, never been done before. No, No, it's completely different.
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I mean, you got to remember Trump is not a politician.
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He was He was a.
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TV a TV guy, you know, and that's what he
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knows is how to impress people visually and with his
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voice tones. He doesn't know anything about the subject of politics.
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And you know, they're also doing this as a way
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of trying to overwhelm us, make us feel like, oh
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my god, it's hopeless, because you know, every time you
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try and put out a fire over here, they've lit
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another fire over there. So we have to be very
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you know, really standing up during this period to show
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them that we're not rolling over. We're not impressed with
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this sheer number of proclamations. He's not a king who
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can issue these proclamations.
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You know, as as we've seen through history, a lot
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of diversionary tactics are used, whether it's psychological war, whether
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it's trade war, financial or whatever. And every president Trump
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has has everybody watching his right hand. You know, he
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keeps on bringing the attention to the right hand, whether
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he's calling the Prime Minister of Canada, the governor of
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his fifty first state, or he's you know, he's he's
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digging into the very meat of the issues in his
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own corrupt and weird way, but nobody's watching his left hand.
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And I think that we need to start taking our
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eyes off of the right to see what the left
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is doing.
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I think Ellen Musk is the left. You know, he's
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he's been you know, given them permission to just you know,
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go and access the treasure. This has never happened before.
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There's never been this kind of you know, a person
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who doesn't even have security clearance, who's never been elected
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or appointed to anything. Since Trump doesn't actually have the
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power to appoint him or to create a new a
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new part of the government without without help from you know,
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he has to has to pass Congress, and it might
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pass Congress, but he's not trying to do that. He's
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just trying to he's launching the coup. So we you know,
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he promised that that was what he was going to do,
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and sure enough, you know that's what he's doing. And
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we just have to fight it on every every level.
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I hope we won't have to fight it at some
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point with guns, but you know, right now, we're trying
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to fight it through the through the courts, and through
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talking to our representatives.
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I was talking to a friend of mine who is
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a former high ranking officer in the Canadian military and
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he was part of the Canadian Armed Forces that was
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with NATO. A representative of Canada NATO, and I said,
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what happens if the president of the United States decides
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to use military action to try and take over Canada
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and then he said, well, this is when I think
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it's Section five kicks in that if one member of
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NATO was attacked, they're all attacked. But I said, the
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United States is still a member of NATO, So how
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would this work? And apparently from what I gathered, this
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is a very very serious question because this has never
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happened before. So we'll just have to see what happens.
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And I think that if we stick together, you, myself,
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and the other people who who understand what is going on,
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that there can be a way to successfully come out
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of this.
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Yeah.
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I think, as you said, he's kind of wanting you
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to watch the scary thing. Oh my god, is he
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going to attack Canada? Well, really, he just wants to
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loot the United States treasury. It really is just about
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getting money for himself and the other orcs who already
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have far more money than they could ever spend, you know.
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And it's I mean, it does make.
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You wonder just just how insecure about their cocks they
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really are. I mean, granted, yes, no one would have
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sex with them without lots of money being involved, but
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they have enough money to pay for sex.
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Maybe relax, right, It's amazing.
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Sad when we have to take our first break right now,
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but when we come back, I'd like to talk to
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you about witchcraft, paganism, and human consciousness because I really
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believe that all this plays into these trying days that
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we're seeing and exonation. If you'd like to find out
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more about our I guess this hour, visit our website,
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the Heart Ofthfire dot com and on Facebook, Facebook dot
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com or with slash Sarah duin Falling Star and that
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cr R I d w E N Falling Star and
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we'll both be back on the other side of its
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break as the XUM continues with Herestreli Rob McConnell from
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our broadcast enter and studio. I was in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada.
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Welcome back everyone, sarahed when Falling Stars are a special
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guest And Sarah, how did you get involved into wicca
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or witchcraft and become a priestess?
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Well, it was definitely kind of a swerve, you know,
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I was saying. My father was a rocket scientist when
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I was growing up, so you know, religion was the
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opiate of the masses. It wasn't something any anyone that
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people like our family was involved with when I was
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twenty two. I was working as a journalist and my
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editor walked in the room and said, there's a witch
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on trial for fortune telling. This is in nineteen seventy
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five Los Angeles. I was like, ooh, I'll take that story.
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So that was my introduction.
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I went to the four day trial of the witch
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who was on trial for fortune telling, and by the
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end of it, I was pretty darned curious about the
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whole thing. I mean, I thought all the witches were dead, right,
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I thought they'd been killed off, you know, back in
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the Middle Ages, And it was quite a surprise me
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to find out that they were still operating and meeting
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in groups in nineteen seventy five Los Angeles. So I
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started attending those rituals and I fell in love with it.
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What was the basis of a charge for this witch
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who was well?
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There was a law on the books at the time
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from the eighteen eighties but had never been taken off
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the books, saying that fortune telling was illegal, except that
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no one was allowed to predict the future except for ministers.
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I guess, so they could tell you you're going to
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Hell or something like that.
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But any case, she a No one had complained about her,
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An undercover police woman showed up and got a reading
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from her and then arrested her after giving the reading.
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And this was very shortly after the woman the witch's
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name was a Budapest had applied for ministerial status for witches.
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So there was a thought that the government was trying
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to shut that down before it's got going. But then
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many many witches are from all over the country came
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to her side and all work together to make a
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group that would be a legal organization where if you
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were then a part of that legal organization, you could
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become a minister. You could perform weddings, you could predict
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the future or do whatever else ministers were licensed to do.
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Ye if I wonder if anybody saw what was going
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to happen with President Trump in power, if anyone saw
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what if any of the psychics that are up, if
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they saw what was going to.
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Happen, Oh, you didn't have to be too much of
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a psychic.
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Trump was saying that he was that you were never
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going to have to vote again if you voted him in.
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He was. He's been coming right.
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Out and saying what he's going to do. All you
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had to do is believe that he was serious, which
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unfortunately he is.
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So So here you were you you you went to
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the trial, you did reporting on it.
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You you were very interesting in what was going on.
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Excuse me? How did you what was what did you
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do from then? Did you take courses? Did you read books?
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Did you I studied with her, I started working with
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her coven. I was started reading what few books were out.
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There wasn't so much in nineteen seventy five, really, right, but.
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You know what I could find. I was reading everything
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I could find.
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And then you know, I started my own coven and
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we started experimenting with consciousness and seeing what we could do,
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you know, how we could do trans journeys into other
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realities and teach ourselves how to read, read fortunes and
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cards and things of that nature, and how to do
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seasonal rituals, and you know, we just started to started
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really expe You know, the science says they don't know
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what you know, a good fifty percent of the brain
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is for, and which is a very interested in that
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fifty percent.
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We really want to know, Oh what.
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Can we you know, let's play around in here. It's
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not you know, what we're doing is not irrational, it's
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it's irrational. It's in the in the zone that doesn't
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happen to be rational, but which has its own ways
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of working. Is the right side of the brain, which
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our culture doesn't tend to use very much. So out
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how to how to operate the right and left sides
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of your brain together? Hopefully this is what we're up to.
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So is there a difference between the witchcraft that is
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practiced today and the witch craft that was practiced in
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the olden days?
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And is it witchcraft? Is it wicca? Is it all
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part of paganism? How does it all work?
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Paganism is like the the bigger, the bigger name, Like
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you know, you would have Christianity, and under Christianity would
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be Catholic, Presbyterian, Baptist, you know, different flavors of Christianity.
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So you know, in that same way, paganism is the
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big umbrella term and wicca or you know, uh, any
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any of the other sub smaller subgroups would be underneath
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that whichcraft can apply. Wicca is very more specifically Celtic
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European witchcraft comes from the root word wicca, same as
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for wicker, from the willow that bends with the wind.
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So meaning you can move with the flow of things.
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So that's where that term wicca comes from, and which
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witchcraft from that term. But there are you know, people
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Afro Caribbean people who practice witchcraft there, you know, there
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are people from all over the world who might practice
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something they call witchcraft. And we don't really know for sure,
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you know, because there was a three hundred period of
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year period of time in Europe where witches were being burned,
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we don't really know very much about what did people
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actually practice back in those days.
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You know.
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Modern witchcraft is a recreation. It's something that we have.
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A friend of a witch teacher friend of mine said,
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she said, I practice witchcraft exactly the way my ancestors
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did sixty thousand years ago.
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I make it up and that that's the truth is.
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We are making up a traditions as we go along,
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which is kind of beneficial in a way because we
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aren't really stuck in, say some past practices that don't
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really fit anymore. We can adjust it to work within
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modern consciousness and modern society.
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How are you and the other members of the witch
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covens that are around the United States and around the world,
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what are you doing in the us under the current
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political conditions that you know, and I've been talking about.
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you know, calling our senators and representatives and writing letters
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and things like that. You know, certainly I think there
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will probably be a lot, a lot of magical actions
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going along with that. I thought something that was very
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interesting was you see how there was a Christian bishop
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who presided over Trump's inauguration asking him to have mercy
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on immigrants and other people. And do you see that
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immediately after that, leading Christians all called her a witch.
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This is a Christian bishop, and they immediately started calling
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her a witch because she was a powerful woman who
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was saying something that a powerful man didn't want to hear.
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It. And you also pointed out that during the inauguration,
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Trump didn't have his hand on the Bible.
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It's like, I'm kind of surprised that the Christians haven't
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taken a little more note of that. For the first
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time ever, a present being sworn in did not put
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his hand upon the Bible. And so you know, for
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people who say, well, he's the Antichrist, it's like, well,
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there's your proof. I mean, he doesn't even want to
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touch the thing right. You know, if you're one of
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the Christians who voted for him, I would be getting
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a little worried right about now that maybe you got
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sold down the river and things aren't going to be
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so pretty for you either.
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Interesting times, to say the very least. In your new
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book Rocket in My Pocket, you introduced us to your father,
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who was an engineer designing rockets during the Space Race
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of the nineteen sixties. How did this did you progress
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from and intensely radical upbringing to being more of a
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mystical life.
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shift as you might think. You know, my father took
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us on long camping trips, my father and mother. It
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was my father who was running the engine on that
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of driving us all around the country and we would
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camp out everywhere. This was a great time to be camping.
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You really only had people in the woods who wanted
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to be in the woods. You know, people didn't bring
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their TV's or any of that stuff, you know, And
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you know we saw bears and mountain lions and you know,
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bighorn sheep and you know, all the wildlife. And you
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know he would take us, you know, we'd be out
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in the middle of some beautiful forest and he'd open
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his arms and say, why would anyone go to.
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Church when they could go be with the trees.
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And so he had a fairly Paganish viewpoint, even if
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he might not have. And in fact, when we moved
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to Upstate New York, because he was working then with
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he was doing a top secret thing which I didn't
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find out about till much later, with Eastman Kodak to
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make that first big spy in the sky satellite. So
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while you know, when we moved up there, all the
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teenagers were coming up to me. I was fourteen years old,
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and the teacher would come out and say, oh, what
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church does your.
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Family go to? And what church? I mean, I didn't
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grow up with any church. The kids don't want to
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know what church we go to. And he said, tell them,
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we're Pagans, honey, tell him we worship the trees. I
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was like, that's going to go over really well.
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But now I can say, yeah, we're Pagans. Were shy,
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I worship the trees. You got that one, right, Dad.
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So in some ways it was you know, while he
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prided himself as an entirely rational person, he was also
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an extremely psychic person, and that I think at one
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way he was able to make these leaps of consciousness
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that enable to invent the things that he invented was
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that he had his brain worked in these kind of
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psychic leaps. He frequently would see the future or dream
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about the future, and then after it happened, you would
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always say, well, it's just a coincidence. Well, that's a
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heck of a coincidence.
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There was a time where he dreamed that one of
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his kids, and he didn't remember which one, was getting
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off the school bus holding something in their hands, and
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the wind blew it around the front of the bus
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and the kid ran after it and was hit by
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a truck and killed. So he was shaken up enough
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and about that, so he talked to us at breakfast
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that day, said, hey, you know, I certainly hope none
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of you are stupid enough to do that, right, And
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we all said, no, we're not. And then, you know,
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my sister was coming home, you know, the next day,
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I think in the afternoon she had a picture she
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was very proud of in her hands that she had painted.
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The wind took it around the front of the school bus.
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She ran around following it, she remembered my father's dream
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and stopped, and the truck blazed by and left a
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tire print on the painting.
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Yeah, you know.
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And then when she told everyone about that at dinner,
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my father said, well, it's just a coincidence, but I
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hope you've all learned a valuable lesson.
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We're like. I was like, whoa, well, that's a heck
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of a coincidence.
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By that time, I knew that I myself had a
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fair amount of psychic ability, and I could see where
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I got it from. But it was off limits as
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a topic, you know, something we did not discuss.
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But I would imagine everybody listened to Dad at breakfast
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to see how the rest of the day was going
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to go.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean he said watch out for something.
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We were like, okay, fine.
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You know, we.
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Definitely tended to pay attention. It didn't happen often that
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he would he would give a warning like that, But
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if he did, you were like, okay, well we won't
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go out tonight. If you think you have a bad
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feeling about it, that's fine.
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Shared Why do you think that history was so harsh
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and so cruel to witches? And those who wanted to
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be Pagans.
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Well, it's you know, they say, the winners write the
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history books, and you know, the Christians, you know, won
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They killed enough of the Pagans and the and the
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witch and to the point where they were virtually wiped
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out in Europe, although they also committed vast crimes against
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the native people of North America, Central America, South America.
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Everywhere everywhere Christians went, they created, you know, chaos and
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havoc and disaster Africa too, you know, amongst all the
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pagan communities they came into contact with and forcibly converted.
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So you know, it's just like imagine if Hitler had
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won World War two. You know, you know when somebody
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mentions the Jews, you're gonna be like, oh, you know, yeah,
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they were poisoning the wells and you know, killing Christian.
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Babies and using their blood to make matsa. Everyone knows that.
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The Hitler who had won the war, that's what you
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would see in your history books. A good thing I
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got rid of those Jews. So unfortunately, you know, yeah,
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people are are escapegoaded and then you know, if the
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winners are writing the story, of course, some of us
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also talk about whether which hurt us more, Inquisition or Hollywood.
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This Hollywood has certainly gone along up until recently you
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see a lot more pro which things. Now though, it's
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really started to shift where you see all sorts of
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very pro which and psychic material on all the different
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channels and movies and things like that. So there has
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been a good shift there.
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Do you think that the change of the mentality within
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different religious philosophies have also played a major part on
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how Wicca and whiches are looked at now compared to
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when they were during the earlier days, when in my opinion,
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it was a way of maintaining control over the people
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that there's only one religion. It's my way or the highway,
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and if you don't like the highway, well we'll just
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bring you out stake. Yeah.
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Yeah, it was a way of intimidating people. Also, the
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other thing was driving the inquisition was the plague, the
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Black Plague. Many more men than women died during the plague,
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probably because they were tending animals and so more likely
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be bitten by fleas et cetera and so forth. So
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you've got lots of women who suddenly suddenly you have
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women weavers, you have women merchants, you have women who
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have taken over their husband's professions. You have women with
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money and status and power. And that was very threatening
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them to the church at the time, and so they
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be The war against witches was very much a war
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against women. And you see that coming up again in
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my country right now where the Project twenty twenty five
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wants to take away women's right to vote, and they
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state that right up front that they plan to take
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away women's right to vote, and they're actually floating right
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now the idea that if you're if your current name
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is different than the name on your birth certificate, you
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will not be allowed to vote. Now, who does that
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mostly affect Mostly women who've changed their names to their
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married names, to their husband's names. So it's a way
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of trying to you know, they really want to get
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us back back barefoot.
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And pregnant in the kitchen.
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They are really very threatened by the progress women who
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have made.
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You know, I have found out throughout the years I
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love history. I truly love history because you know, if
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you're smart enough to look at it and understand that
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it does repeat itself to you. And I were talking
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about this when it came to the similarities between President
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Trump and Adolf Hitler that looking at looking at all this,
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how much play does does history actually have in the
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in the down the control not only of women, but
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the control of the different religious philosophies that were founded
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by women. And in my opinion, any country that has
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had a woman at the at the helm, like the
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Queen and Margaret Thatcher and so on, that country has
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has prospered because women think before they act. And my
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wife will tell you that that's why she got me
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a GPS as soon as they became available, so I
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didn't have to worry about reading that anymore. But you know,
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history is proving itself that women have what it takes.
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And I, for one, I'm very happy to see that
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the world is looking at women not only as mother figures,
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but people who actually, like I said, think before they act.
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And that is why it's Mother Earth and not Father Earth.
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Can you just imagine Father Earth? Oh my God, talk
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about a havoc. You and I have to go to
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take our commercial break at the Bond of the Hours,
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so please stand by explanation if you'd like to find
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out more information about our guest. This Hour and the
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books she has written. Visit her website, the Heart Ofthfire
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dot com and we'll be back as they some continues
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with you Australia. Rob McConnell or Broadcast Center in studios
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here in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, Canada, and strange days, and
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I know that we're going to be talking about these
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days for years to come. We'll be back on the
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other side of this breakdown and welcome Everyone's Heard When
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Falling Stars are a special guest of This Hour, and
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if you'd like to find out more about her, visit
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her website at the Heart of Thefire dot com and
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on Facebook, Facebook dot com, Forward Slash Heard When a
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Falling Star. You've written three books, I.
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Believe all told five actually five.
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Now, what's it like to be an author in today's
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world where there is so much information out there? How
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do you how do you keep up with the competition?
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Well, it is very it's very challenging, you know, the
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the publishing industry has been struggling for a while, and
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it's it's very challenging. But but in many ways, I don't
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you know, I'm happy that you know so much when
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you know when I first got involved in witchcraft in
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nineteen seventy five. It was very small, very niche. You knew,
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if you didn't know everybody, you knew somebody who knew them.
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And now you know, we're the fastest growing religion in
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the United States, and you know, we've got over a
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million people. And so it's actually I don't really think
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of it as the competition. When people are writing the
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kind of books that I'm writing, they think of it
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as this is fantastic. You know, we're we are getting
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to be known. We are we are, we are getting
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to be known as an alternative that people are hungry, thirsty,
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you know, very much wanting something spiritual, but they don't
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necessarily want to give up their intelligence to have it.
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And you know old.
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School religions very much, well, you just have to listen
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to you know, the minister will tell you, the priest
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will tell you don't ask questions. You know that for
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many of us that that just won't work. You know,
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we need to be able to ask questions. We need
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to be able to be our own authority and not
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necessarily just listen to someone else who says they're they're
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the authority. So I think it's a pretty great thing actually,
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that there is so much out there to be read.
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What do you think has been the catalyst in you know,
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the the movement of WICKA from being a very small
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organization to where it's actually giving the other established to
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a religious philosophy a good run for their money.
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Right Like, where I live, there's definitely a lot more
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Pagans than Christians at this point, you know, in Maren County, California,
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I think, and of course lots of Buddhists too, but
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you know, there's not a lot of you know, the
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traditional religions are somewhat struggling. In my traditional Christian religions
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are struggling. I think it's two different things. It's the
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it's feminism. You know that women started saying, hey, you know,
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how can you have a religion that just has a
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male god and no goddess? Does that make any sense?
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How could this possibly be a good thing? You know,
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to be leaving half of the population out of the
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sacred and to say that that group is not as sacred,
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that doesn't make any sense. We're the ones who give birth,
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are the ones who give life. So there's that, and
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then there's also the environmental movement of people becoming more
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aware of that this earth is you know, this is
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not a stage that we're walking around and pontificating on
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that the earth is us and we are the earth,
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and that we cannot thrive or survive, you know without
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a healthy planet and witchcraft and all kinds of paganism.
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That's the whole focus. Is the planet as sacred, the
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earth as a living embodiment of the goddess and the God,
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the earth as sacred, and that I think also draws
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people people say, oh, I want something that makes sense
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to me in terms of you know, I walk out
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and I see a sunset and I feel like, ah,
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having a spiritual experience, and that nobody is mediating it.
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Nobody's telling you what to do. You have to read
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a book. It's there, The Book of Nature is there,
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and that we want to, you know, feel that and
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interpret for ourselves. So how can I be in right
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relationship with this?
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Everything is so simple in life? We complicated and if
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we would just get back to our core beliefs are
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core values, this would be one heck of a better place.
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And I think that the amount of information that we're
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being force fed each and every day seven twenty four,
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three sixty five is more damaging then we realize right now,
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And and I believe that this has been one of
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the major factors when schools are saying, all right, listen,
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you come to school to learn. You don't come to
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school to play with your iPhone or you know, you
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need to do these things because God forbid, when the
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power goes out, what are you going to do without
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a cell phone, without your access to the internet. My
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grandson came over one day and he said to my wife, Nana,
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can you teach me how to write? Because they don't
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teach curse of writing anymore in school.
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Right right, right, right, Yeah, it's very much changing what
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what we'll need to Yeah. But but but again, you know,
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then you see, you know, I mean, who's who's who's
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behind this coup that's happening in my country.
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It's the tech bros.
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You know, I mean, you know, Musk and his tech
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guys are you know, are looking to possibly crash you know,
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all our computer systems on which we desperately depend, you know,
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and that that's where they're going. That's the jugular you know,
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of our of our current culture is is the world
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of the computer.
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I understand that you've had a past life experience.
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I have many, many past life memories. I started when
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I was a kid, so that was interesting. I started
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when when I was like three. I remember, you know,
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saying to my mother, Oh, I'm so glad we're rich now.
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And she said, oh, honey, we're not rich. And I said, yes,
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we are meat every day and uh and we we
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have we have rug on the floor instead of dirt.
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And I went and turned on the bath and I said,
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hot water whenever we want it. We're rich as I
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you know, we didn't have a television. We didn't I
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couldn't read yet, but I remembered, you know, walking a
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long way and pulling water out of a hole in
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the ground, you know, cold a well, and being in
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a you know, a dirt floor place of.
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Being being cold and hungry.
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And so I've always had that access, and that's something,
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you know. My first three books are all historical novels
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written for my past lives. The Heart of the Fires
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about witchcraft in sixteenth century Scotland, and then The White
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as Bone, Red as Blood series is set in twelfth
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century Japan. Then my last two books are memoirs from
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this life, but you could call the other ones past
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life memoirs. Really so I've also had a long term
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practice of taking other people on past life journeys, and
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I think it can be very very interesting. You can
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you could it's you know, could use it to solve trauma,
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but also you can go back to your happier past
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lives and re experience the power that you had then.
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And I'm not talking about power over other people. I'm
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talking about power from within, you know, actually being in
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consonance with your deepest self, actually fulfilling your destiny, providing
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value to the people around you, those experiences of empowerment.
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So it's a very useful, uh, a very useful technique to.
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Add to your own power in this.
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Life as a pagan and as a priestess. When you're
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talking to people, how do you how do you explain
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to them or how do you kind of message do
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you give them that they understand the importance of you know,
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of healing our planet and that we need to We
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just can't pull out of the powers at cord. We
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just can't do whatever we want to ignore an issue
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that's there because we're part of the problem. How do
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you address that issue?
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Well, it's interesting, you know, I was in a.
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Group that was you know, lots of different religious leaders
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from different traditions coming together and talking, and the Episcopalian
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that I was, you know, chatting with Seto. You know,
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they had asked an interesting question in the National Episcopalian
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magazine where they asked people, if you thought you were
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going to be reincarnated and come back in another life,
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would you be more inclined to take care of the planet,
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And eighty five percent of them said yes. That just
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shows again how important it is to have If you
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believe that you're going to come back to this mess,
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you don't want to leave a big mess. You know.
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It's like, if you realize that this is indeed what
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you're going to be dealing with in your next life,
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then you're going to want to you know, not just
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leave a better world for our children.
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You'd think that would be enough motivation.
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It's certainly enough for me to want to leave a
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better world for my son and my grandchildren, but that
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you know, the unfortunately, you know, the you know, much
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of the traditional Christian beliefs, and I know there's many
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Christians who are turning away from that this now but
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traditionally it has been very much about.
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Well, this is a sinful world. It's not a good place.
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You just want to die and go to heaven and
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forget all about it, and that that God put the
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earth here for us to just use. You know, there's
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just stuff for it. You know, this is stuff for
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us to enjoy, to play with. We don't have to
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take care of it. So I think those messages have
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really caused, you know, caused us to be in the
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crisis type situation we are now. The oppression of women,
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how women are generally, if women are able to control
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their birth rate, they will not have more children than
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they can suffeed, you know, generally they will not do that.
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But when they are being prevented from having birth control,
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prevented from having abortions, then you get the overpopulation situation
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that we have right now, which is destroying our planet.
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There are simply too many people trying to inhabit this
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one very small space, and there's really no settlement on
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Mars in the future whatever, Ellen Musk, thanks, that's not
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going to be happening anytime soon.
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So yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. And
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a lot of the different organizations that are out in
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the world today trying their very best to get the
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message across that this is our problem. We need to
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get on board. We need to work with nature, not
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against nature, because this is a very real problem and
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it's not going to be solved unless we all work together.
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Very few people know this, but some of the top
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organizations that are working towards get making this planet a
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better place, including green Peace, they're all Pagans, a lot.
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Of them are.
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When I first got involved in paganisn't what I was
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really shocked about was I kept meeting physicists. I was like,
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wait a minute, the physicists are all pagan. Well they believe,
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they believe a lot more crazy stuff than I do.
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I have to intend the physinesists are really out there,
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you know. But yeah, it's an interesting interesting to see,
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you know, who kind of resonates and starts, you know,
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moving in this direction.
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In your opinion, what has been the most influential, most
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of influential lesson that you've learned over the years that
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you've been working as as one of the many people
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who are trying to clean up the mess that are
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past has left us.
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Well, certainly some of you know what keeps me interested
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in the pagan path is just the number of absolutely
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wild experiences I've had that kind of go outside maybe
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my ability to explain. You know, one of my books,
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I talk about that we were doing a ritual at
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the beach at night and we cast a circle in
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the sand, and then the tides started coming in, and
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the tides started going around our circle, and we're all
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the way around and touched in the back, and we're like, oh, whoa,
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this is crazy. How can the ocean be, you know,
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actually delineating our circle. So then we you know, we
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released the circle, and then the next wave came in
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and just swept everything off the altar. We should have
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picked up a meathing before we dismissed. But but you know,
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something like that, or something like I cast a circle
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and a bear walks out of the woods and walks
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around the circle and then off in another direction. These
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kind of the things where it's like, okay, wow, this
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is this is this is getting kind of out there
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and this is really interesting. Or when I see the
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future for myself or someone else and then it just
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comes to pass the way I've seen it, I'm like, well,
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how does this work? Obviously it works. There's some part
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of the brain that could do this. You just don't
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know very much about that part of the brain. We
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don't really understand the interactions often between ourselves and they,
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and they take on this miraculous quality.
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If there are people out there right now listening to
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us and the experiences that you've had and the work
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that you're doing, and I thank you for the work
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that you do in trying to get the message across
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about how we're all part of the solution, because if
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you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
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How can someone listening who wants to learn more about
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this besides going to your website, how would somebody find
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a good teacher, a good mentor when it comes to
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page you know.
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You kind of have to look around, you know, kind of.
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Certainly with computers, that's one thing, it's a lot easier
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to figure out who's in your area and to go,
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you know, check them out. If they've written books, obviously,
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check out their books, you know, go show up, do
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some ritual, see if it feels good. It might be
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very important to find there's something called the let' see
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Isaac Bonowitz cult Danger of Value frame I recommend looking
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that up. Look up the you know how you can
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identify a cult in case you should run across someone
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who's trying to manipulate you. It will give you that
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and get that information about what are the suspicious signs.
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A lack of humor for instance, you know, if people
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don't laugh, that's usually a bad sign.
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If the leader.
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Is assumed to be all powerful and all knowing, also
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a very bad sign. If you can't question the leader
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not a good This is when you want to run
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for the door. There's not a lot of witches per
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se who are operating in this cult like manner, but
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there are a lot of culty people of one sort
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or another. So you just have to be careful. Try
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and go with a friend and compare notes, you know,
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see what you can do to figure it out, and
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if it feels scary or wrong, you know, maybe back off.
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But also be aware that actual spiritual growth is often
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going to feel very scary too, and psychological growth too.
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You know that you can go into therapy, you're going
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to spend a lot of time being scared because you're
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going to have to shift a lot of things that
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you believed exactly the same with any kind of mystical work.
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My second cousin Covin, called themselves the Holy Terrors because
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we recognize that there is a kind of fear that
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means most fear usually means run in the other direction, right,
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There is a kind of fear that says, oh, well,
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if I keep going this way, nothing's ever going to
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be the same. I'm not going to be able to
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go back. And that's the terror that you want to
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step into and say, yeah, what's next.
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Uh. My final question for you tonight is your dad
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was a bonafide or real rocket scientist. But do you
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think your father would think of Elon Mosk and his ambitions,
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including the you know, the ambition to get to the Mars.
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Oh, I'm sure he too would have been very excited
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about getting to Mars, but he would not have approved of,
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you know, just destroying people's lives on Earth to try
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and do it, you know, or destroying the planet that
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we can depend on, the planet that does sustain life
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in order to try and get to one that probably
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isn't going to sustain life at any point and certainly
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not within.
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Any of our lifetimes. Is that going to happen?
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So, you know, he would have felt that desire, the
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excitement that hey, let's see if we can do it,
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but he certainly would not have approved of robbing the
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treasury in order to do it.
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Well said, what are your final thoughts for the explanation?
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We've got about sixty seconds. What would you like to share?
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What's your final message?
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Well, I really, I really hope that we all can,
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you know, keep feeling strong. You know that the essays
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are very challenging times. Just breathe one step at a time,
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do a bunch of work one day, take the next
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day off.
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You know, we can't.
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We can't be slamming day after day after day. You
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have to pace yourself. We're in it to win it.
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Go for the law, you know, we've got to go
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for the long haul. And don't be afraid. It's like,
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you know, we're all going to die. It's nothing to
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worry about. Yeah, live your life fully while you're here,
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live it, live it fully, and give everything you have
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to give while you're here.
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Good friend of mine and Montreal said, we're here for
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a good time, not for a long time. Yeah exactly,
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Sara Dwayn, thank you ever so much for joining us tonight.
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I wish you continued success. Please come back and visit
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us anytime, and ex Oonation, if you'd like to find
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out more about our guest, this our visit www dot
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Theheartofthefire dot com. Take care of yourself, Sarah, then thank
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you so much, Rob.
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It's always a pleasure to talk with you.
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Thank you so much for being you, and thank you
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for the great work you've done over the years and
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continue to. I'll be back on the other side of
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this break, Exponation as our number two up. Tonight's show
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starts right now.