Rob McConnell Interviews - MAXIM FUREK - The Paranormal, Addiction, Rock'N'Roll

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Oh, Henry, Welcome to the X Zone, a place where
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fact is fiction and fiction is reality. Now here's your host,
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Rob vicconnell.
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Welcome back to the X and everyone. I am Rob McConnell,
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coming to you from our broadcast Enterance Studios in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada,
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on the X Zone Broadcast Network, talk Star Radio Network,
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Mutual Broadcast Network, and your hometown Radio Classic twelve twenty
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C F A J A M throughout the Niagara Region.
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Based in Saint Catherine's, Ontario, Canada, I'd like to send
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me an email xon at x on Radio TV dot
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com and on all social media sites X Zone Radio TV.
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Tonight we welcome journalist, author, and cultural explorer Maxim Frederick,
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whose work takes us deep into the strange intersection of
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rock and roll addiction, supernatural folklore, and regional legends. From
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the dark shadows of rock tragedies to the unexplained mysteries
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of America's coal country. Maxim's voice is one that challenges
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that arman explorers the fringes. Buckle up, ex Zone Nation,
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It's going to be a rough ride and Maxim, Welcome
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to the X Zone.
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Rob, thank you so much. I really appreciate it, and
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you know, everybody sort of gets the pronunciation wrong, but
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it's Maxim Furic and I'm honored to be on your show.
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And I've so many good things about the X Zone Radio.
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So thank you and looking forward to, you know, to
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speaking with your listeners there in Ontario.
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All right, Maxim, For those who are unfamiliar with your work,
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how would you describe your back ground and mission on
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a researcher and author side.
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Yeah, well, it's I don't know, it's kind of eclectic.
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I think I've worn a couple of different pat rob
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But my day job was I was a psychologist, but
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specifically I worked in addictions. So I'm pretty well, you know,
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fascinated and aware of the power of recovery. You know,
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people that had been addicted for maybe for decades and
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decades and found a way out of that. And many
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times I would ask these folks who were in recovery,
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how did you get into recovery, And a lot of them,
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I mean a lot of them would say, I don't know.
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It was a miracle, and that is that they just
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stopped using for whatever reason. It was a miracle. And
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you know, so just you know, you could you could
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take a look at that and put a label on that.
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That's just a pretty amazing thing. I really I dabbled
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a lot in rock and roll journalism. I'm a baby boomer,
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you know. You know, I've gone to tons of concerts.
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I just love music, as so many of my peers do.
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And I wrote a couple of books about rock and
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roll that were very successful, and I would have stayed
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with that. In twenty sixteen, I wrote a book on
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the Shepton mythology. And what I was doing rob I
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was trying to write a book, a biography about the
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song Timothy. Now in northeastern Pennsylvania, the highest charting song
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that we had was in nineteen seventy one, and it
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was by a group called the Boys, and it was
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called Timothy, and Timothy was about cannibalism and a mind shaft.
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So I'm writing this book about Timothy and cannibalism and
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its correlation with the true life Shepton. My disaster that
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took place in nineteen sixty three, and here you had
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three guys that were in tune for two weeks made
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international news. I mean it was just like a huge,
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huge story. And when they were rescued and It was
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a fascinating story abou humans arrival, but after they rescued,
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they only got two guys, and then counts people when
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to know what happened to your mate? What happened to
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your buddy? And then as now there were rumors, unsubstantiated
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allegations of cannibalism. And so I wrote a book called
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The shefton the Myths, miracle and music, about this human survival,
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about the cannibalism, about the miracle of Pope John the
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twenty third. One of the miners was Roman Catholic. He
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claimed that Pope John the twenty third was in the
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mind with them for the two weeks and gave them
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the hope that they were going to be saved. Here's
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the thing. Pope John twenty third died in June of
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nineteen sixty three. Shepton took place in August the sixty three.
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In all three of Pope John the twenty third miracles,
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his purported mirror, they all happened after he had died.
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It was an example of life after death. And the
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miners went around to various luminaries and experts and researchers,
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and one of whom was Elizabeth Koubler Ross. She was
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down in Virginia and she was one of the leading
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forward thinkers of the twentieth century. She wrote a book
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called On Death and Dying that talked about the stages
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of grief. You know, when a loved one dies, we're angry,
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and then we negotiate, you know, if you bring them back,
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I'll be good, and how it changed my ways until
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finally we get into that phase of acceptance. But Elizabeth
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Koubler Ross interviewed the miners and she said, yes, this
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is an example of life after death. So all of
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those things, all those things happened. Very few people know
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about the Shepton tragedy, the Shepton mythology, and the thing
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that gets me, I mean just just fascinates me to
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know when the rescue technology that they developed and Shepton's
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ani in nineteen sixty three was later used in twenty
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ten at the Chilean Copper Mind disaster. You know, there
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was a movie called the thirty Yeah, yeah, those thirty
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three guys were rescued by Shepton mining technology. And let
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me just add this to the to the narrative if
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I may. You know, we're talking about cannibalism and in
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the thirty three they had rations. Now, there were several
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books written about that is Chilean Copper Mind disaster, as
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well as the movie. But there were books written and
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these miners had food stores. They had a little symbol
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of milk, They had some tuna fish, and they had crackers.
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They knew that at a certain point the food was
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going to kick. It was wasn't going to be anything.
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So they started to think what's plan be And some
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of the leaders of the thirty three guys said that
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maybe we need to resort to cannibalism. So, I mean,
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that's like just like a grotesque, ghoulish topic. Es. Part
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of the yeah, you're agreeing with me. Yeah. Part of
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the black humor though, was all of these guys were
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from Chile except the one guy was from I believe
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it was Uruguay. And so the black tumor was in case,
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you know, the gallows humor, in case they had to
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cannibalize anybody, the guy from Uruguay was going to get it.
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So that was written in the books. But Shepton, the
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Shepton Mythology in twenty sixteen, nine years ago, opened up
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the doors to me. And I'm going to say this,
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I didn't go looking for the paranormal. You know, I
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was into rock and roll and I was a successful
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rock and roll journalist, and all of a sudden, I
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have this book on Shepton that opened up doors and
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I'm getting invited to expos and podcasts and on and on,
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and it was just like an amazing something, something was
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being channeled through me. And again I didn't go looking
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for it, it found me. So that was nine years ago.
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So since then, and I know this is pretty long winded,
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it's very interesting, but since then, I wrote a bunch
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of other books like Coal Region, Who Do? Which is
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off the charts, and you know, I mean, I'm so
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fortunate that as an author that I could have something
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like the Shepton book and also Cole Region Who Do
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that resonates and gets good marks and you know, and
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some good things are happening. So that's me. I mean,
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I'm a writer. I love what I'm doing, and I
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think what I'm trying to do for the paranormal is
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just to help define what it is, help to look
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at it through maybe an academic lens, and give it
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some kind of validity rather than a lot of these
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people that are out there that just I don't know
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I mean they're almost like knuckle draggers. They don't do
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much to uplift the genre of the paranormal so that
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we could get the respect that we need, you know,
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from from the community, from the public, from the scientific
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you know, establishments. So if I could, if I could
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do some of that, that's fine, that's my my mission,
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I guess, just to help define it a little bit more.
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Why do you think the scientific community is dragging its
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heels when it comes to doing credible research into the paranormal.
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Well, part of the elitism, you know, that they know
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more than we do. And let's face it, you know,
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with all of us, even guys like me, I mean,
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I love this stuff. I'm fascinated by it. I do
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as much research and reading, you know, and talking you know,
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discussions as I can to learn as much as I can.
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But I don't have any kind of background in quantum
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physics or biology, or zoology or astrophysics or anything. I mean,
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I'm you know, I'm not a scientist like that. I'm
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a citizen scientist. And we all come to the tables, well,
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very few of us are invited to the high table,
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first of all, but we all come with one hand
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tied behind our back because we don't have that background
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that the scientists scientific community has, and we don't speak
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the language. And you know, even with a good example
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David Grush when he testified in front of the Congressional hearings,
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and let me see, it was July of twenty twenty three,
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and I was amazed at his vocabulary. I mean, some
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of the words he was talking about, the what was
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they called the extra biologics, the exo biologics whatever, the
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humans and the crafts and all that. It was a
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different language, but he knew that. And there's a term
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called mystification. And for some people, they use mystification just
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to bamboozle us. They use these five syllable words just
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to confuse us and to make us think that they
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know more than we do. But it's it's a type
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of abuse of power. And I don't know, I think
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that with Grush. I'm really upset because back then, in
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July of twenty twenty three, he said this, I know
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where the bodies are, I know where the craft are,
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and under the right circumstances, I will share this classified
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information with the right people at the right time. Well,
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we've had plenty of time for him to go and
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you know, tell us to show us cards, right, and
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we haven't had that, so we have that, and I
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think it was just it was just a tease. He
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brought us to the brink and he gave us nothing.
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The other thing, too, is that he talked about the
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Mussolini's flying Saucer that Mussolini captured the craft, gave it
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to the Vatican, they gave it to us. So you know,
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when all the research I've done is that that's just
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a folklore. There's no nothing, nothing tangible, and nobody talks
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about it. I mean there was any truth to that,
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I mean, that would be on every newspaper and you know,
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on page one on every newspaper. So you know, so grush,
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I mean, I like what he did or I did
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at the time, but you know, the same thing happened
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was what's the name Luis Alexandro November of twenty twenty four,
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the same song and dance. I know where they are
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then knows where they are? Well where are they? You know?
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And so I'm just I have a headache, I'm discussed
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that I'm up set and rob what I did? I mean,
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and I encourage all of your viewers to do the
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same thing. Start writing letters to your representatives, your political representatives.
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And when I was down in Florida, my wife and
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I are snowbirds. We spend winters in Florida and summers
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in Pennsylvania. But down in Florida, I wrote letters to
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all of these politicians that were involved in the congressional hearings.
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There were six of them, and the only one who
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wrote back was Marco Rubio, who at the time was
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a senator. Now he's Secretary of State. But he wrote
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me back, and I and my letter was this was
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just that let's encourage people like David Grush to show
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the cars, tell us what he knows. So and that
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was And then in the meantime, Senator Marco Rubio became
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Secretary of State, and then I lost my contact, my
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only contact.
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So all right, stand by week, stand by place. We've
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got to take a break into exponation. I'll be back
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with our guests this hour. Maxim Merk on the other
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side of this break, So whatever, you don't go away.
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I'm Rob McConnell. This is the X Zone. You're listening
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A fine Welcome back to me going. Maxim Murrik is
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our guest of this hour, and his website is Maxim Mrrick.
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I'm sorry, Matric.
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It's Maxim Spirit. If you are a Maxim.
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Spirit, all right, I apologize for that. Okay, So What
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was it that that was the final straw in convincing
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you to become this, this writer of the macabre, this
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investigator of the paranormal, the person who questions the the whistleblowers.
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And what was it? What was that one event that
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pushed you?
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Well, I think, you know, I'm like everybody else. I
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think you and I, you know, we don't know each other,
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but I think that maybe we're motivated by the same thing.
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I think a lot of us human beings are we
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there's a bit of that Indiana Jones and all of us.
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And I think we need to find that holy grail.
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We need to climb the mountain. So there's just that
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that that wonder us. You know that we have to
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do that. And I think the combination of fear and
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curiosity is what sort of gets it done. And even
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though we're afraid of some of these things, you know, uh,
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the moss to the flame, you know, the rat to
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the cheese, the spider watching the fly, I mean all
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of this. I mean we're fascinated by that flame, by
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the darkness, and we have to explore it. And I
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think that are innate human curiosity. And again, this is
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my trying to answer your question, Rob, But I think
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curiosity is the driving force. And I think that maybe
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with people like doctors and scientists and those explorers, I
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think that maybe that curiosity gene, maybe they're they have
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just a little bit more of that DNA, you know,
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that curiosity thing that than the rest of us. I mean,
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it's a driving hunger that they need to go and satisfy.
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And with me, I'm just fascinated by all aspects of
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the paranormal. Uh, certainly uithology, cryptozoology, and more than anything else, demonology.
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I just think that it's just fascinating. Uh, you know,
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I want to learn more and and and it's nothing unusual.
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I mean, I'm like a whole lot of other people.
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So that's what gets me in here. And I you know,
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I mean i could easily write books about rock and roll,
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but I'd rather write about the paranormal because that, you know,
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just gets my attention, It holds my interests and uh
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and you know, and and it motivates me. So that's
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you know, I'm currently writing a book on the Schmurl
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haunting and in the if you're familiar with the Conjuring franchise, Yeah,
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the next Okay, the next installment someone it's called Last Rites,
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and that's about the Schmurrol haunting in West Pittston, Pennsylvania,
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that took place in the nineteen eighties. And that's in
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my backyard. And I had an opportunity to meet Ed
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and Lorraine Warrem in nineteen eighty eight, So I hung
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out with him, took pictures, interviewed him, and then stayed
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in touch with them over the years. And I would
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call Ed and ask him how he did battle with
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demonic forces, and he would go and explain it to me.
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They sort of held my hand and walked me through
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this thing. And you know, so I just, you know,
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I'm interested in all this and these topics, and I'm
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fascinated by them, and you know, and I guess I
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showed that fascination through my word, through my research and
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my books, and that's you know, that's sort of who
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I am and what makes me tech.
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Why do you think that the coal area of Pennsylvania
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is so so rich with haunted stories and stories of
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people long gone by?
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about the paranormal aspects of the Pennsylvania North East East,
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especially places like Shepton or Centralia. You know, the Cursed Hand,
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where there's maybe five people living there. You know, the
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Catholic priest put a curse on the town so that
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at the end of the day the only thing left
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standing will be the same ignacious church. And in nineteen
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sixty two, I believe they were having a festival and
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they threw trash down int this mind pit and started
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to burn it. Well it's burned. It's still burning, you know,
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since nineteen sixty two. Yeah, Centralia, and they made what
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was a Silent Hill. There was a couple of horror
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movies based on Centralia, but that's in my backyard as
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well as Shepton. You know, a whole lot of things.
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And I wrote this coregion who do mainly because I
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was upset. I was frustrated that all of the paranormal
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books about Pennsylvania are for the most part about Gettysburg
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and the lost ghosts that are wandering, you know, looking
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for their homes, looking for their spouses, you know, whatever
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they're looking for, or or they're about Lancaster and the
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White Witches and the heck signs and you know, cases
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of of a farmer putting a hex on the other
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farmer's cow so wouldn't give milk or whatever, any crazy
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stuff like that. But you know, I felt we had
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more things going in the Pennsylvania coal region and also
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in western Pennsylvania in a crazy place called Chestnut Ridge,
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which has the most not only Bigfoot sidings, but bigfoot
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in connection with UFOs. Really yeah, and we know this.
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sort of like the keeper of the key. He's been
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doing this for decades. He was there when we had
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the Kecksburg UFO in let me see, December ninth of
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nineteen sixty five, something came down and they conjectured that
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it was either ours or it was a Soviet probe venus,
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or it was a flying saucer. And now the latest
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in the Techsburg. You know, mythology now is that it
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was the glock. It was the German time machine, this
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bell that went from the nineteen thirties over to Pennsylvania
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in nineteen sixty five. So a lot of books being
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written about that, a lot of paranormal people talking about
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the bell. But that's western Pennsylvania and this guy Stan Gordon.
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Whenever the Pennsylvania State Police out that way get a
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call about a cryptid, about a dog man or a
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bigfoot fighting, they'll say, call Stan Gordon, here's his phone number.
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these books and in his books, his books are very dry,
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you know, it's like like looking at like watching the
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wallpaper peel. But he has the data and a typical
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entry in one of his books would be like a
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farmer and missus Brown went out to the barn at
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six o'clock at night to feed the cow, and they
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saw this cryptid emerging from an orb. And there's numerous
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documented cases like that where Stan Gordon will go and
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talk about where it happened, when it happened, and describe it.
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For me, my connection was Stan. I've known him for years.
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that he saw two bigfoot creatures in our hometown. We
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live in a tiny little mountain community called Macanaqua. And Joe,
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my neighbors saw, who's a level headed guy, he's a
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medical supervisor, a medical technician guy, and saw these two
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bigfoot creatures. One there was cynamon one was black, one
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was bigger than the other. And when I interviewed him
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numerous times, he said that they didn't look scared, they
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look curious. They looked at him, and then they walked
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away like humans. So I called Stan Gordon and gave
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stand that report, and then stand called Joe and major
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it official. So again that's just to get it entered
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into the into the narrative that we're fortunate in this
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part of Pennsylvania that at least we have somebody that's
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keeping those documents, because frankly, there's not one center, not
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one resource, not one organization that does this. So what
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we have in Pennsylvania is pretty outstanding. And in keeping
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with that thought, they claim that in the United States,
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the four leading states as far as bigfoot sightings are California, Washington,
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and then either either Pennsylvania with Dickfood or Florida with
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the Skunk Ape. And you know, I reside in both those,
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you know, Pennsylvania and Florida. So you know, I look,
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I go hiking, I go in the swamps and the
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mountains and haven't seen anything yet, but you know, I'm
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still looking.
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How come with all these sightings, nobody has any concrete evidence.
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You know, have a good photograph, how about a cadaver
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of a Bigfoot? How about something that proves the existence
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of this picture of this creature. Except you know, let
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me see the Gimmlin Patterson film novel. Let's scratch that
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one off. You know, the list goes on around the
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same within the UFO community, the alien abduction, all these stories,
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but when it comes to physical evidence, there never seems
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to be any right.
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Well, you know, the with Bigfoot, there's no carcass, there's
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no DNA. All we have and I consider this to
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be the Holy Girl, but all we have is that
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Patterson Gimlin film from nineteen sixty seven. Same thing with UFOs.
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the two thousand and I think four limits United States
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Navy film of the TikTok video that went back and
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forth and then hovered and then went under the under
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the water.
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of alligations made by the company that built the avionics.
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You know that there could have been an air in that.
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It's either the what was the what was the race?
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the avionic or the computer attachment giving a false image. Yeah,
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didn't look like a false image to me.
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Yeah, we can't. Yeah, we can't get anything the with
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with Bigfoot, you know, with the carcass. They talked about
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the carcasses. But down in Florida there was I remember
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a while back there was a dead a wild pig
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that was on the side of the rod got hit
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by a car and it was there for about two weeks,
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the parasites and everything to break it down in the elements,
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two weeks before it came down. So I would assume that,
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you know, a creature in the deep woods without cars
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going back and forth, we would probably have more predators,
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you know, you know, breaking breaking it.
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Down, didn't that didn't that pig still have its bones?
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I forget. I just drove by it. I mean, it
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seems to me that everything was sort of pulverized. You know,
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maybe there were I don't know, I don't know, but
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you know, they probably ate the bone marrow. There's stuff
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in the in the bone marrow, right there is the Yeah,
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the people that go out looking for Bigfoot, they hang
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their hat on just maybe five things. They have eyewitness
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reports that they've seen, uh, these these cryptids. They have
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the smell, you know, this horrible uh fecal odor, rotten egg,
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wet dog smell that seems to.
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Be Listen, we're going to have to pull a We're
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gonna have to pull a cliffhanger here, got to take
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my break the hour, So explanation. If you'd like to
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find out more about our guests, visit his website. All right,
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do you have your pencils and papers ready? A's my friends,
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Maxim Furrick dot com. I'm Rob McConnell. This is the
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X On Maxim and I will be back continuing our
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conversation about bigfoot, things that could bump in the night,
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the paranormal UFOs, aliens, and who knows what else. Don't
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go away in the late.
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Night hours when the world's asleep. Rob McConnell's voice echo
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secrets to keep from Roswell's whispers to tales of the sky.
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On the X Zone Radio, we learn to fly high.
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With every new guest, the story unfolds, from abductee's tales
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to the mysteries told government cover ups there deep in
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their wide but We're on a quest with the truth
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as our guy.
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Journey through the ex.
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In a quiet town called Carrotman, near the River's Gentle Call,
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lived a woman with a light so pure she gave
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her love to all. She walked the streets of mountree
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A with grace and steady hands, working for the salvage
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folk from far off London Lands. My mother, my friend,
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is soul so kind, a guardian angel through space and time,
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with open arms and a heart so wide. She stood
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by me by every sight, from Cally's Lanes to Heaven's Hall.
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She was a guardian.
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Maxim Firk is our guest. This our exhanation, and Maxim,
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what is your favorite genre is? If there was one genre,
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would you say that it is Bigfoot? Compared to the
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other aspects of the paranormal.
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Not at all. Now. I think demonology would be the
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the thing that you know that you know just rings
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my bell. I've done a couple of presentations on what
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I call Catholic Catholic mysticism, and I talk about, you know, exorcism,
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the right of exorcism, miracles, guardian angels, you know, like
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your song, your leading song, and Saint Teresa of Avila,
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the seventeenth century Spanish mystic that claimed that through prayer
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and meditation we could reach states of rapture and ecstasy
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and what Saint Tresa called flight of the soul and
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an actual out of body experience. And the miners there
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in Shepton experiences out of body experience several time. So
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really that's one thing that fascinates me. And then the
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other one is the story about padre Peele. And padre
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Peele was he's a saint now, but he was a
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priest over in Italy, and he bled the wounds of
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Christ and people started to come there just to see him,
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you know, I mean, you had these gawkers. I mean,
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they wanted him to hear their confession, but they also
482
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wanted to see these wounds. So the Vatican they didn't
483
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know what to do with this guy, because I mean,
484
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it's like a circus and thing out of hand. So
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they wrapped his wrists with gauze and they watched it
486
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for like six seven days and then took the gauze off.
487
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They were looking to prove that padre Peele was just
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as human as you were, eyes that there would be
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signs of scabbing, of healing, and there weren't. They took
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off the gaus and he was still bleeding, So that
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was one thing. And again the Vaticann't couldn't understand it.
492
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They thought that here was this guy, a con artist
493
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that had convinced thousands of people that his delusions were accurate.
494
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.519
So he had the stigmata, but he also had a
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thing called bylocation and padre peel. It's been documented with
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two places at the same time. And we know this
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because he would be at an opera with other brothers
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and priests and cardinals and that, and then he would
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be someplace else, maybe one hundred miles away another function
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scene physically seen by all these other people. So it's
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called bylocation. And it's not the first time we've heard
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of bylocation of another people that have that. But you know,
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when you talk about the realm of mysticism, and you know,
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I think that some of these mystics, some of these
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00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:53.839
saints have been given abilities through God. You know, they
506
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.319
say all three things through God. You know that they
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can perform miracles that they could do by location, that
508
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:06.119
they could levitate. But even in the cases of Saint
509
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:11.440
Teresa of Babyla and also padre Peal, along the journey,
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they suffered, they were castigated and put down, and they
511
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weren't believed. So, I mean, how would it be to
512
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be working miracles and to be you know, talking to
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people and trying to you know, talk about love and
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00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.240
faith when you have the higher ups, you know, the
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executive the administrators saying that you're a con artist. So
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he padre Peal, had to deal with that. But an
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amazing individual. And padre Pele said this, He said that
518
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the power of the devil is tremendous, but he goes,
519
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:48.680
I go to the Blessed Mother for strength. And you know,
520
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:51.920
in Catholicism we have a lot of folks like that,
521
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:55.200
like even Ed Warren. When Ed did demonic battle, he
522
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:59.400
would invoke the spirit of Jesus Christ, of Saint Michael
523
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:03.119
the Arcane, you'll and padre Peel to do battle. So
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you know, you pickure your saint, you pick your you know,
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the whatever, and I mean, whatever you do. You know,
526
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.279
they say that, you know, what you need to do
527
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:12.559
is just fill your heart with God's grace and uh,
528
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:16.359
you know, and uh, you know, I've been warned about
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getting too close to the to the darkness, you know,
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to the demonic and I don't think that, you know,
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I mean, I view this as a as an academic.
532
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:28.160
I mean, you like to read about it, write about it,
533
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but I you know, I'm not tempted. You know, there's
534
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a certain progression where there's temptation and then possession and
535
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:37.559
then well let me ask you.
536
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Let me ask you about possession. How much of possession
537
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is fact and other is you know, mind over matter?
538
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.519
Well I don't know, but I mean if if if
539
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:54.480
you're tempted to do bad, if you're tempted to have
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an affair, to cheat on your wife, you know, I mean,
541
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you know, that'd be the first thing. I think with
542
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.359
some of these people that are into this hardcore I
543
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.319
think what it is, I mean, and forget about the
544
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.799
word evil. I think it's like a hedonistic thing. Like
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I think a lot of them feel that they can
546
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.480
make a bargain with the devil so that they could
547
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.719
live a life of hedonism. They could have any pleasure
548
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.440
they want, any carnal pleasure, you know, you know, any
549
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any drug induced pleasure. So I think that may be it.
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00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:27.440
I think that that hedonism, you know, without any self control,
551
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:29.840
you know, is one thing that you know, I mean,
552
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I don't think you need the devil to do that,
553
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you know, because the temptations there, the ability to do
554
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that there. I mean, if you want to go and
555
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you know, live your life like that, I mean, you
556
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.239
could do that. But I was in let me see
557
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:44.599
that was I think it was May twenty sixth. We were
558
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:48.840
out in Butler, Pennsylvania for the Butler Paranormal Conference, and
559
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.280
I was one of the guest speakers, which it was
560
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:52.920
just at a great time there. I met a lot
561
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of people. But on the same bill were the Psychic
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Vincent Sisters and so the Psychic Vincent says, these Catholic girls,
563
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.679
they were talking about finding missing people for the police
564
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:07.920
and you know, tracking down killers and all that. So
565
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:09.599
there's they're talking and all of a sudden, this guy
566
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:13.039
in this front Rowe stands up and he gave the
567
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.840
story and here he was a ghost hunter. He went
568
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.039
out to these mentalist former mental institutions and prisons by
569
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himself looking for demons. One night he was attacked by
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something he thought it was a demon. His chest was
571
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ripped up and he showed photographs pictures on his iPhone
572
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:33.800
and also his eye was just hanging out. Was just
573
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.159
like gouged out and it was just amazing. And the
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00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:42.079
psychic Vincent's sisters thought it was a case of possession
575
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.519
where he was stalked by this demon and then they
576
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.159
possessed him, you know, they infested him. But they said
577
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.400
that the only way out of that is through a
578
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.360
whole lot of holy water and a crucifix and you know,
579
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fill your your heart with God's grace and then get
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00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:00.480
rid of that, you know, that darkness. I mean, this
581
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:02.400
is what they said that. I told those pictures they
582
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.639
were scary, they were scary, and you know, I you know,
583
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.559
I'm a belief I believe that there's a realm, a
584
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demonic realm. I believe the devil exists. And I think
585
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:16.079
a lot of people think it's sort of a fairy tale.
586
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:21.400
It's it's it's folklore. It's a means of scaring kids
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so that you know, if you don't say your prayers,
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if you don't go to church, the devil is going
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to get you.
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00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.519
Well, you know, I think any parent that uses that
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needs to be shot. You threatening that nothing peeves me off.
592
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:36.039
Then to see a child to get abuse psychologically or
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or physically.
594
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.159
Yes, well, take a look at all those fairy tales. Yea,
595
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:45.960
and what's the uh, what's the German thing at Christmas?
596
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:52.960
Who's that little bad guy that the crumpet? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
597
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.440
And I've seen pictures that that's terrifying. I mean, god,
598
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:58.599
you know, I mean that's for kids. Yeah, to show
599
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:00.559
a kid that, you know, I mean, come on, you know,
600
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:03.639
but I'll tell you, I don't know how it is
601
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:07.719
in Canada the rabbit in the United States. And I
602
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.039
think this goes along with a conversation. We had laws
603
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.960
in the United States to protect animals before we had
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00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.639
laws in the States to protect children. Children were just
605
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:20.679
they were like furniture, they were like cattle. You know,
606
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:24.920
they were allowed in northeastern Pennsylvania. This is our sin,
607
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:28.079
but part of our legacy. They sent these little breaker
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boys down into the minds to work. I mean, these
609
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.480
little kids that were seven, eight, nine, ten years old.
610
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.840
I mean, what a horrific, horrific crime. And you know
611
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.400
when we did that back here, So you know, that's
612
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:42.400
just a disgusting part of our history that a lot
613
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.039
of us don't talk a lot about.
614
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.840
Well, it was you, it was your Secretary of the
615
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:52.079
guy who's responsible for immigration. What's his name. Anyway, he
616
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:54.320
said the other day, he said, when we get rid
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of all the immigrants, we're going to put the children
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in the old people to work in the fields.
619
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Oh god, I mean, I hate what's going on here.
620
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:02.599
I know, I know, I don't think you have a
621
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:06.119
political program, but uh, I'm one American that does not
622
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:10.199
approve of this current administration and distuggery. And we don't
623
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:12.360
want Canada to be our fifty first state and it's
624
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.840
never going to be. We love Canadians, we respect Canadians,
625
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:18.719
you know, and just I hope your listeners hear that
626
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:22.199
and know that, of course. Okay, well I hope so
627
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.960
I rarely have a chance to have this conversation, but
628
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:29.400
you know, we we I'll tell you what. It's a juggernaut.
629
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:34.079
We didn't see it happening. And democracy is fragile. It
630
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.639
didn't take much for Trump to put together a coalition
631
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:39.639
and just steamroll us.
632
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:41.800
I mean, well, he had four years to do it.
633
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.000
Yep. Yeah, he got he got his ducks in orders.
634
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.519
But I think there's a few I think there's a
635
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:52.000
few surprises he wasn't expecting, including Elon Mosk and and
636
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.159
how that relationship is it's working out.
637
00:38:56.480 --> 00:39:01.239
Yeah, well we'll wait to see Elon watching his p's
638
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:03.840
and q's. You know, yeah, you know, you know, but
639
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.039
there it's I don't know what it's like to be
640
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.199
at the top. I mean, these are billionaires, you know,
641
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:11.360
they got they there, They have their privileged you know,
642
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:13.360
so I can't. I don't speak that language, and I
643
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.960
don't wear those clothes, and you know, I don't know
644
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:18.519
that I don't. That's another another side of town.
645
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:21.159
And I think they're just like us. The moment they're
646
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:22.960
conceived is the moment they start to die.
647
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:27.000
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, well that's all of us. And
648
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:31.039
but but anyway, getting away from politics, but I have
649
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.920
a book coming out published by Hangar one. It's called
650
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:39.119
Paranormal Apocalypse. This how it is, This how it ends,
651
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:44.239
And maybe in April or in August when it comes out,
652
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.320
maybe we could do a revisit if you're interested. You know,
653
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.960
I would love to Paranormal Apocalypse is this How it
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00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:55.159
talks about fear and H. P. Lovecraft said that fear
655
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:59.639
is the most elemental, the most basic emotion that man has,
656
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.599
and fear of the unknown is the most powerful. And
657
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:08.639
I talk about keeping people afraid. Religious groups keeping us
658
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:12.079
a prayed political groups society. We have a whole bunch
659
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.480
of people that are just walking in line like lemmings
660
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.599
following you know, they're the herd over the over the cliffs.
661
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:23.719
So there's a lot of people that don't use critical thinking,
662
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.760
rational thinking, common sense. They just follow the crowd. And
663
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.480
we're in a bit of a mess. So I don't know.
664
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:34.159
I mean, if you want a totalitarian state like George
665
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:35.039
orwell talked.
666
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All right, hold on, hold on here, hold on, I've
667
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got to take my final break. Let's come back with that. Okay, Yeah,
668
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.840
when it comes to kids that oh that, that's another show,
669
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:50.840
another topic for another time. Explanation. Our guess this hour
670
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:55.119
is Maxim Firk Firk and we'll be back as we
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wrap up this hour. Hearing the X Zone from our
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Tales of the Sky on the X Zone Radio. We
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learn to fly high. With every new guest, the story unfolds,
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from abductee's tales to the mysteries told government cover ups
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there deep in their wide but we're on a quest
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with the truth as our guide.
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The sunro through like a whisper inside pain and go
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long the tears in your eye.
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Welcome back every one. Maxim for Rick is our guest
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to this hour, and Maxim before we went to the break,
687
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.039
a couple of segments ago, we were talking about the
688
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.000
Patterson Gimlin film up sixty seven. What is your take
689
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on it?
690
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Yeah, I think it's authentic. Of all the things we
691
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have out there, you know, the photographs and the videos,
692
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and we don't have a whole lot of authentic videos
693
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even in this day and age of AI. But from
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the Patterson Gimlin film from sixty seven to me is
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something that's valid. It's only fifty eight seconds and Patterson
696
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and Gimlin were going they were riding their horses. They
697
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had three horses up in northern California. They were going
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to make a documentary to make money to do an
699
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expedition to find Bigfoot. So they're going around the creek
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bed and they see a female bigfoot that they later
701
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called Patty. But Patty looks at Patterson and then takes off,
702
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and as she looked at Patterson, his horse rears. He
703
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starts falling off the horse. He reaches into the saddle
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bag for the camera and start shooting, and behind him,
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Gimlin's horses are also doing the same thing, and he's
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you know, they're rearing and bucking and he's falling off.
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But what happened was John Napier was a British paleontologist
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that was working at the Smithsonian, so in nineteen seventy
709
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two he was allowed to take a look at the
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Patterson Gimlin film and they viewed it numerous times. He
711
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had a number of scientists there with him, including a
712
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bunch of scientists from Russia, and Russia was a lot
713
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:45.639
more keen on Sasquatch and the bounderable snowman in Almus,
714
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:47.159
you know, the yetti and all that. I mean, they
715
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believed in that. They put money behind it as far
716
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as expeditions. But Napier took a look at it and
717
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:57.000
he said, no, it's not it's a fake. And the
718
00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.480
reason he said it was fake. Was this? He said
719
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that Past had an upper body like an ape and
720
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the bottom like a hominid, had walked like a human.
721
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He said that Patterson Gimlin just cobble together some basic
722
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:13.480
elements of a man and an ape. And so going
723
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on that premise, Napier said that was a fake. So
724
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that was nineteen seventy two. In nineteen seventy four, a
725
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bunch of guys were over there in Ethiopia and they
726
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discovered Lucy. This was austrolopithecus. Right, It was like me
727
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maybe yeah, maybe like three and a half four foot tall.
728
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They named Austriopithecus Lucy after the Beatles Loucy in the
729
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sky with diamonds. So that night these researchers got drunk
730
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and they played the beetles and it was just like,
731
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you know, a moment of red letter day in history.
732
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But when John Napier heard about this in nineteen seventy four,
733
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he said, wait a second, He goes, I was wrong.
734
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He goes, Lucy has an upper body like an ape,
735
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you know, so it could climb trees and everything, you know,
736
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you know, the strength, and has the bottom like a hominide.
737
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It walked on two feet. So Napier believed that the
738
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Patterson Gimlin film was authentic. It took him a couple
739
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.039
of years to come around to that. But this was
740
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you know, Rob you asked earlier, why hasn't the scientific
741
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:24.519
community come around exactly, Well, in seventy four they did.
742
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:28.599
They came up with information that helped validate, you know,
743
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:33.480
the Patterson Gimlin film, and they did this with Lucy.
744
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:36.000
So it was kind of neat how this happened, I mean,
745
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from sixty seven to seventy four. But you know, I
746
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think that this, this was, this is good when this happened.
747
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And for a lot of us who think there's nothing
748
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:49.159
new under the sun, you know, keep in mind that
749
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I believe it was January of this year, January of
750
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:57.840
twenty twenty five, there was this gigantic glacier. It was
751
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.480
the site of the Sights of Chicago that cat It
752
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:04.159
broke off and started to float. There was a bunch
753
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:08.239
of oceanographers there on a ship about an hour away
754
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:09.840
from it, and they happened to be at the right
755
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:12.440
place at the right time. They went over there and
756
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:17.239
their ship and they sent these underwater robots down there
757
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.079
to see what was there. Now, this glacier had been
758
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there for either hundreds or thousands of years. I mean,
759
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we don't know, but they didn't expect. They don't know
760
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what they were going to find there. But they found
761
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jellyfish that were larger than anything that we've seen. And
762
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they weren't quite sure. I don't know what they came
763
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:35.880
up with now, but they weren't quite sure what the
764
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:41.159
what was keeping these creatures under there alive, you know,
765
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if it was like the plankton going down there. But
766
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they weren't quite sure, and they thought that there's a
767
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possibility that there was another life source and another undiscovered
768
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.519
life source that might have been there. So again, I
769
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:59.239
haven't heard much more about that other than that glacier
770
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was being tracked and it's melting and all that. But
771
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just pretty interesting stuff. So that was, you know, that
772
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just happened in January, and I find that amazing, and
773
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I mean there's still mysteries being I guess solved or
774
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being presented, and you know, and even the thing that
775
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:19.679
I get excited about are some of the Mars Mars
776
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:24.079
probes that they're finding what they believe are canals. They
777
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:26.480
believe that there were there was water there on Mars,
778
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:28.880
and they believe that there was civilizations there on Mars,
779
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.400
you know, not you know, three weeks ago, but maybe
780
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:34.280
millions and millions of years ago, So there was They
781
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.639
believe that life existed on Mars at one time.
782
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.000
So so do you think we do you think we
783
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:40.960
should go back to Mars? Do you think we should
784
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:44.199
colonize Mars and dead planet?
785
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:48.880
Well? I don't know, I mean, I got you know,
786
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:51.760
I don't know how we would get there and how
787
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:53.800
we would be able to sustain that. And I don't
788
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know how would we we would be able to go
789
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:57.320
and keep people alive. I mean that would take a
790
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:01.679
whole lot of planning and uh, you know, resources and
791
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all that. So but if we could do that, if
792
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:05.920
we could, yeah, I think so I think we should we.
793
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:07.559
I think we should go and do that. I think that,
794
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you know, that's our destiny. We go out and we
795
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explore and uh you know, uh you know, we go
796
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:18.440
into those uncharted uh waters and territory. So you know,
797
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:21.480
that's that's what we do. And uh you know, I
798
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:23.800
mean I think that's the exciting thing. And and and
799
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:27.679
this is what what this is what differentiates us from
800
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.519
from the animals. I mean, we have more DNA, we
801
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:35.280
have more brain cells, we have more of an ability
802
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:39.039
to think and create and imagine and to do all
803
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:42.639
that stuff. And certainly like uh you know, uh, you know,
804
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:46.199
apes can communicate and apes can use tools, and they
805
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:49.639
could do different things, and they could solve uh uh,
806
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.280
you know, problems, and they could communicate like a three
807
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.800
year old as Jane Goodall good All toll tall to us.
808
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.039
But but still they're not human beings, and we have
809
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:02.119
the edge. I mean, just we just have it all.
810
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.239
It's just it's that brain power that gives us more
811
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:10.400
cognition and spirituality, and that's what makes man different. You know,
812
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:16.119
We're more spiritual and more cognitive. Although although down here
813
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:19.119
in the States, not everybody uses that you know, uses
814
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:23.519
their DNA or their you know, to the best advantage.
815
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:26.960
One quick question for you, as as a journalist and
816
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.920
a futurist yourself, where do you think pop culture is headed?
817
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.119
Are we embracing mystery more? Are we losing touch with it?
818
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.960
No? I think it's it's a therapeutic thing. And paranormal
819
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:43.280
paranormal apocalypse. I have a term called apocalyptic awe, and
820
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:47.199
that's how we look at fear through fascination, and we
821
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:51.480
look at fear through the eyes of fascination through movies, films,
822
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.480
music and all that. So by doing that, we conquer
823
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:57.519
the monster, you know, the ogre that's in the closet
824
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.320
or the monster under the bed. So we could bunker
825
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:05.360
those fears, you know, through this apocalyptic awe by transforming
826
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:09.119
it into something as something of wonder and curiosity. And again,
827
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.280
you know my premise that you know that that that
828
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:16.719
that that combination of fear and curiosity is pretty much
829
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.679
our chemistry, you know that, and it's what we do
830
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.000
as kids. But I think it's at what we this
831
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.800
is I think what keeps us young, you know, that
832
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:28.360
combination of fear and curiosity, just to be curious about
833
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.480
the world rather than just laying on the couch and
834
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:33.880
you know, using the remote and just like letting the
835
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:37.280
world go by. And I mean, if you're curious and inquisitive,
836
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.320
you know you're gonna ask questions and you're gonna you're
837
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.199
gonna find answers. So I think that's the that's the key.
838
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:46.119
But no, I think pop culture is so much a
839
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.519
part of all of this. I mean, especially when you
840
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:52.440
look at the realm of uiphology, you know, and when
841
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.920
you take a look at Roswell, I mean you look
842
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:57.840
at what we know about Roswell and what we think
843
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:00.199
we know. I mean, it's just like an amazing thing.
844
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.280
I mean, it's the Roswell mythology, and that's what it is.
845
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:07.639
I mean, we don't have little alien bodies and we
846
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.639
don't have spacecraft. I mean, we have people that claim that,
847
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:13.760
like Bubb Lazarre claims that they know where they are.
848
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:16.320
You know that, you know that we haven't. We don't
849
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:19.199
have any. Yeah, and even what's his name, Jimi Moussan,
850
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:22.480
you know, he had the aliens down there in Mexico City.
851
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:24.760
He car them, carted them out and said that these
852
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:28.800
were alien creatures from Peru and all that, and that
853
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.639
wasn't true, you know. I mean, I mean it's a
854
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:34.760
fascinating journey and it's a fascinating topic. But we have
855
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:37.480
a whole lot of hoaxers out there that are just
856
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.239
looking for their fifteen minutes of fame, and I hate that.
857
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:44.559
I mean, that's just it's disrespects our paranormal genre.
858
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:50.920
What's your take on the new paranorma tourism industry?
859
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:53.480
Well, I'm I'm to blame you. I just went down
860
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.039
to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania for the Devils on the Run tour
861
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.960
and Annabelle the Curse Dahl was there. So, uh, I
862
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:03.719
paid my forty bucks and my wife paid hers and
863
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:06.119
we saw annabel and we met some people. But you know,
864
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.159
it was pretty cool. I mean I wanted to see that,
865
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:12.719
and uh it's almost like going to a Carney show,
866
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:14.320
you know, paying your money to go.
867
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.639
See the the the War for the.
868
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:19.960
But I mean it was, you know, it was, it was.
869
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:21.960
It was a good I mean, I enjoyed Gettysburg. It's
870
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:25.119
a great town, and I liked the experience, and you know,
871
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:28.000
I'm just glad I went there for the experience, you know,
872
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:32.719
I mean, not for anything else. And but but there
873
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.119
were a ton of people there. And Annabelle's been in
874
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:41.119
I think three conjuring movies and has recognition and that,
875
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:45.320
but also has a notoriety because let me see, Annabelle
876
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.199
was at the War in a cult museum in Monroe, Connecticut.
877
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:53.239
Lorraine before she passed, wanted it to be kept there
878
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:56.480
under lock and key, and it's in this wooden case
879
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:01.039
that has crosses carved into it. Has the Lord's prayer
880
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:04.239
in the back of it. It's embedded or imbued with
881
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:08.159
holy water and holy oil, so you know, the priest
882
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:11.039
blesses it every so often, just to keep it in check.
883
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:19.519
But Tony Spira, the Warren's son in law, he took
884
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:22.880
the doll on the road Annabel, and when it was
885
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.360
down in New Orleans, got this. When it was down
886
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:29.719
in New Orleans, they had a plantation fire, they had
887
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:33.239
the jail break. Ten guys took off from the Oh.
888
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:33.440
Yeah, I.
889
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:37.840
Mean right around the time that Annabel was down there.
890
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:43.519
So I mean, I don't know what that means, but
891
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.320
I mean, you know, it's either coincidence or something else.
892
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:48.440
I mean, you tell me, what do you think.
893
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.480
I don't know. I'm a guy who likes to see
894
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:55.519
the evidence before I make a conclusion. Max, I want
895
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:57.280
to thank you ever so much for joining us tonight.
896
00:53:57.320 --> 00:53:59.440
It's been a great pleasure. Let our listeners know how
897
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.199
they can find more about you and where they can
898
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:02.559
get your books.
899
00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:05.320
Yeah, for sure, Yeah listen. If you're interested in any
900
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.320
books by Maxim W. Furick, paranormal author, you could check
901
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:13.679
out my website which is www dot Maximfuric dot com.
902
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.159
And I'd be glad to go and get you autographed
903
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:19.320
cap a copy of any of my books. Or if
904
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.960
it be easier for you to go to Amazon and
905
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.920
give Jeff Bezos the billionaire, some of your money, then
906
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:29.000
you could do that too and go to Amazon. But
907
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:31.679
check out some of the books co Reach and Hudoo,
908
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:37.320
the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot, Chefton, Flying Saucer, Esolteric, I
909
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.039
got a bunch of them. But again, Maxim W. Furick
910
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and that's f R e K.
911
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All right, Max, Rob, take care of my Hey, we'll
912
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speak to you in August when the new book comes out.
913
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That sounds good. Yeah, thank you so much for the invite.
914
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I appreciate it.
915
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You take care of my friend. By now, all right, explanation.
916
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