Unexplained Phenomena Australia - Willow Grove Encounter & Kelly Cahill

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Australia, the sixth largest country on Earth. An ancient, rugged
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and unforgiving land with abundant animal life, both beautiful and
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deadly found within its awe inspiring landscapes and natural beauty.
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Exists a deep history of unexplained mysteries for anyone with
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the courage to investigate them. Tonight we joined Ben on
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a journey across this vast island continent in search of
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answers to events that have reshaped the lives of so
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many that have been exposed to Unexplained phenomena. As with
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your host Ben in her.
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Hit, Everyone and welcome to another episode of Unexplained Phenomena Australia.
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It's so good to be back this week. And since
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last week I was thinking what are we going to
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look at on this week's show, and I thought there
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was an investigation that I did in about twenty fifteen,
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so quite a few years ago now, and it was
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looking at the very interesting case of Willow Grove. Now,
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Willow Grove is a little, small, little farming area that's
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just east of Melbourne. And we'll have a look at
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some maps a little bit later. And on the fifteenth
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of February nineteen sixty three, a farmer had a very
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unusual encounter and it occurred at seven am, which is
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sort of an interesting time as well. Like a lot
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of UFO encounters tend to occur, well, it can occur
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any time, of course, but a lot of them tend
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to occur more in the early hours of the morning
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or of the nighttime, and this was actually at seven am,
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so it was a sort of not usually a time
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where you see a lot of reports around that time
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of the day, and that he was actually in the
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process of milking a herd of cows, so that was
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that was actually what was happening, or they were in
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the process of getting the cows into the yard, pushing
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them through and getting them milt. And the first the
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witness who saw this strange object was Charles Brew and
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his son Trevor Brew was actually in the milking shed
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milking the cows and Charles was basically hurting them through.
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So this case is really interesting because the witness, the
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primary witness, was very credible at the time in nineteen
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sixty three, and it did receive an extraordinary amount of
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publicity at that time too. It ended up in the
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Herald Sun down in i think it was the Herald
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at that time down in Melbourne, and it got quite
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a lot of local publicity as well, appeared in the
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local paper and people were curious about this entire incident
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that had happened. So I thought, well, this case is
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worthy of having a look at all these years later,
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so I contacted Trevor Brew, who was the son, and
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Charles had since passed away, so by twenty fifteen I
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had no chance of being able to talk to the
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original and primary witness, but I thought, I'll try and
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track down Trevor because Willow Grove is about ninety minutes
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to two hours from where I'm sitting right now, and
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I thought I could easily catch up with him if
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he was willing to do so. So I rang him
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on the phone, or found his phone number in the
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phone book, which was great because unless it wasn't Smith
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or Jones one of those real common names, it was,
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you know, Brew's not uncommon. But I did find a t.
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Brew living in Warrigal, which is a large town just
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to the south west of where Willow Grove is, and
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so I rang him up just out of the blue,
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just phone call out of the blue, as these calls
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are and I said to him, Oh, Trevor, it's Ben
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Herle here. Just wanted to touch base about the strange
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UFO encounter that you that you and your father had
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back in nineteen sixty three. Oh yes, yes, yes, that's right,
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Yes we did all those all those years ago. I said, yeah, look,
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I'm interested in having a chat to you about it,
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maybe visit the location, maybe do an interview with you.
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And he says to me, oh, nah, I'm not just
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not really that interested. My heart sort of sunk at
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that moment, because that can happen. You know, You've got
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all these great plans, great ideas, things you want to do,
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and the primary witness is reluctant or says no, you know.
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So so I went to work on him. I just
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worked on him and I worked, and I said, I said,
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come on forever. This is this is history that's being lost.
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Now you know.
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Your father's passed away. It was decades ago. People really
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are still interested in this topic after all this time.
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It's not as it's not regarded with the giggle factor
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as much as it was encouraged back in the sixties, seventies, eighties,
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nineties and even into the two thousands. It's you know,
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there's a there's a greater awareness of the potential for
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the reality of the UFO phenomenon. So you know, it'd
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be just be great to capture your story, to capture
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the you know, what happened to the Brew family. And
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he sort of thinks about it, and he goes, oh, yeah, okay,
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all right, I reckon I could do that for you.
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And I said, brilliant, that's so good. And he said, yeah,
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something for the grandkids to have a look at. And
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I said, yeah, well, there you go exactly. So you know,
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that's let's arrange to make this happen. So I was
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able to meet up with him and we actually went
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out to the property where this incident occurred, and that
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was very exciting. So today we're going to help on
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tonight's episode, we're going to have a look at the
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Brew the Brew family Willow Grove encounter, and we'll look
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at it in a relative amount of detail. And then
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we're going to have a listen to the interview that
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I did with Trevor. Now it's the only one in existence.
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There are no other interviews anywhere else, and that's why
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at the time I thought it was really important to
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get out there and make contact with him and get
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something down so that there's something recorded. So we did,
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and so I ended up doing about a twenty minute
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interview with him, which we will have listened to. So
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what happened. So at seven am on the fifteenth of
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February nineteen sixty three, Charles Brewe had a classic encounter
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and his twenty year old son Trevor was at work
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in the milking sheds on their farm in the little
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hamlet of Willow Grove. So it was light, but rain
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clouds lay overhead and the rain was coming down steadily.
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That morning, Charles Bruye was standing out in an open
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area with a full view of the eastern sky, and
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it was from that direction that he saw a strange
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object appear and descend very slowly down towards the milking shed.
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The object's approach was as it approached, the cattle and
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the nearby horse all reacted violently. The two farm dogs,
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they disappeared, they fled and once this report actually got
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out to the newspapers, the local newspapers reported that the
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cows even turned somersaults, but that was a suggestion that
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the Brews strongly denied that didn't happen. That was just
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a bit of artistic license. So the UFO descended to
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a height of about thirty meters hovering over a streaming
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bark tree, and it was about eight meters in diameter
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and three meters high. The top section appeared to be
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a transparent dome of a glass like material from which
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protruded a two meter high mast an antenna on top
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of it, and the aerial appeared to be as thick
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as a broom and resembled bright chrome in color. This
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tall antenna that was on top of it, the top
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portion of the disc was battleship gray in color, classic gray,
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and appeared to be of a metallic sort of appearance.
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The base of underside section glowed with a pale blue
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color and had scoop like proturbances around the outside edge
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underneath the bottom of it, and the bottom section rotated
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slowly at about one revolution per second. This spinning motion
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caused those turbances on the on the underside to generate
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a swishing noise somewhat like a turbine sort of a
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sound that was really clearly audible not only to Charles
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Brew but also his son Trevor, who was inside the
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shed near the operating diesel powered milking machine. So even
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above the sound of the of the milking machine and
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the cows, Trevor could actually hear this noise, this strange
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noise outside. Meanwhile, the principal witness, Charles, felt his eyes
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were drawn towards the object as though beams of a
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magnetic current were between it and him. So that's kind
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of strange as well. And you also experienced a peculiar
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headache which came on with the approach of the object.
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So this headache kind of started to form and grow
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it with intensity inside his head. So after hovering for
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a few seconds, the object began to climb again, and
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it continued on its westward course and passed up into
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the cloud deck and headed out over the Boorboor Mountain range. So,
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as I said, Trevor didn't see the UFO, but he
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did confirm that strange sound, and he described it as
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being like a digery do or a bull roarer, which
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are aboriginal sort of instruments which produced a pulsating wind,
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rushing noise. So that's the basics of the encounter. That's it.
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That's the basics and it was really just a short visit.
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This craft came down out of the cloud deck, came
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down slowly over a nearby tree and I've been to
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this actual area. Hovered over the nearby tree and sat
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there with rotating and it had this physical impact on Charles,
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the principal witness, and then it and the cows also
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all surged forward. They surged into the dairy. So Trevor
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had this stampede of cows coming thrushing into the into
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the rushing into the the dairy area. So that's the
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that's the report. It's relatively short. It didn't it wasn't
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there for long, but there was this massive outpour. After
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this actual encounter and the Wrath, the Royal Australian Air
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Force came and they actually interviewed the family. So Flightood
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Tenant Hudson and Squadron Leader Joe's of the Wrath interviewed
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the Bruce and while they were impressed with his credibility,
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the weather at the time of the sighting, the heavy
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continuous rain, with very low clouds and poor visibility and
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with a fresh wind coming from an easterly direction, led
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the raft to focus on whether related explanations their report
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described the basis of their somewhat extraordinary explanation of the incident.
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So day on the sixth of March a doctor Berson
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and mister Clark, who were Commonwealth meteorologists, were interviewed to
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see if clouds could give this type of phenomenon, and
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they agreed that a tornado condition could in fact give
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this effect. And the direction of Charles Bruce report of
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the object was consistent with known facts for the southern Hemisphere.
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The bluish coloring had been reported previously and it was
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probably due to electrical discharge, and there would be a
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smell of ozone. The only difference in the Bruise report
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was that the object moved from east to west, because
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all their previous reports of this nature have been from
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west to east. So the meteorological report stated that the
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wind was westerly at eight knots, But the local weather
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report had come from an observer in your lawn, which
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is twenty kilometers away, So the weather for the day
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is reported as being you know that report's coming from
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not that location. It's twenty kilometers to the east. So
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the raft concluded that there's little doubt that brew did
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witness something and it was most likely that it was
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a natural phenomenon, and the phenomenon was probably a tornado.
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There was no report of damage along its path. Therefore
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one could assume that it was weak in nature. So
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this is back in that time when they were trying
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to literally explain everything away everything. Now farmer knows his
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local environment and he knows the weather particularly well, it's
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highly unlikely that what Charles brew experienced was anything like that.
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So we'll have a bit of a listen to Trevor
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and and see his whole take on the incident as
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it occurred. But before we do, I'll just show you
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a couple of other little quick things. Where are we
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come back up here? So this is where Willow Grove is.
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So Willow Grove is just to the east of Melbourne.
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And you can see where that red dropper is there
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where it is, So it's in southeast Australia, in my
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state Victoria. Now this brings it in a little bit closer.
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So where that little red circle is in that map there,
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And again you can see it's near the Ara Rangers
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National Park. Always love it. Myan UFOs are appearing near
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national parks. It's very very common, which is just to
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the north of the Willow Grove area, and where I
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live is across to the eastern side there where it
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says Banstar Lake Entrance. I live in that area there,
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so I'm only roughly two hours away from that Warrigal area.
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And then Melbourne's off to the east, the big capital
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of our state. So that's that's that. So what we'll
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do is I shall just get the interview underway.
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Good folks.
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Today we're out here at Willow Grove and I would
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like to welcome Trevor brew Thanks for being with us.
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Trevor, that's no where is it all.
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It's a pleasure, Yeah, thank you very much.
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On the fifteenth of February nineteen sixty three, in this
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beautiful location where we're standing, a most unusual event occurred
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for Trevor and his father, who were operating a dairy
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farm out here at the time.
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And we're standing here with Trevor.
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In the actual location where an object appeared from the
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eastern sky, came down, hovered briefly over the hill just
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behind us here, and then it took off over to
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the hill over in this direction here. So it must
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have been the most unusual day.
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It was, certainly, and the after effects were too of
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a publicity but followed. But yeah, unfortunately my dad's saw
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it and I didn't, and you didn't. I heard it,
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but I didn't see it because I was in a
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built up area of the shep sort of thing, and
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naturally we were not expecting anything like that to happen.
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No, no, And what was the weather like on that day?
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The weather was very rainy, not windy, but very heavy
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rain steady, not heavy heavy, but very steady.
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Yeah. And it was the clouds quite low see clouds.
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It was just a lovely just a little rain, just.
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A lovely lot of.
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Rain coming, lot of steady rain. Yeah. And how far
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into the milking were you on that day?
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I'll probably about halfway through, nearly halfway through.
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Yeah, And what happened when so just explained to us
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what happened, Well, it would have.
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Been about probably i'd got the cows in and it
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would have been about seven point thirty in the morning.
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And in those days.
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We didn't have electricity down here, so we had a
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Lister engine which was a diesel run and the milk
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machines were run by batteries sorry pulley belts and things
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like that, not batteries. And I was sitting up at
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the blind end of the shed doing what a man
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has to do milk and cows, and I was doing
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a half at the time, which as anyone who's got
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that sort of experience or they've got very smaller bags
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and very tight and small little teeth. So I was
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holding the cups on it so that they wouldn't drop off,
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because if you lose too much air pressure, they would
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just drop off. As she was news, you have to
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had to sit there and hold them on for the
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first minute or two. And then I heard this noise
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and I thought, oh no, not another bloody excuse expression,
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not another pulley belts come off the drive you.
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Know, the drive wheel.
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And then of course all the cows at the same
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time bolded forward nearly went right through the shed.
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Would have been a.
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Shock, Yeah, it was, And I thought, what's going on here?
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And you sort of heard the noise as it come down,
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because if it was winding back at the end of
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its run. Yeah, And it sort of hobbled there, as
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that's explained, for about six to seven seconds, perhaps eight
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and nine seconds something like that, and then it just
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took off in a normally direction and the power of
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it just listening to it was really phenomenal. And I
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don't know, I can't remember whether he explained that that's
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what it was straight away or whever he explained later
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on in the day. Well, all I wanted to do
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was finish the milk. When I found out that that's
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what I missed out on. Yeah, I've been disappointed for
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the rest of my life that I didn't have enough
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sense to jump up and have a look. But I
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didn't expect to have a UFO or call it what
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you're like hovering above the milkshit. Well, to me, they
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would have been just it's just.
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Not going to happen, you know. Yeah, I wouldn't have
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been a believer.
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No, No.
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And your father he wouldn't have been a believer either.
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No.
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What sort of a man was your father? Very quiet,
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very quiet.
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And reserved and certainly not want to make up stories.
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No, no, And he experienced.
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He's got to get too much for him and he
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had to bring up the herald Son, which he was
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concerned was the worst thing that happened because we had
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so many visitors and that Yeah, they said he had
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a bit of a headache, but that might have been
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just stressed out. I don't dressed out yet. Possibly, yeah,
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because you do get a headache when you get stressed out,
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you do. Yeah, wherever that was, yeah, I can't see
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how it would have given him a headache.
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But I don't know.
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I don't know, no, no.
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And so after it took off and it went away
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in that direction there, did he come and see you
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or did you go and see you?
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We just continued milking and he didn't say anything.
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And I can't remember because we wished to drive from
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here back home to have brecky, Yeah, and which was
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a couple of kas away, and he didn't say anything
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about it. The next thing I knew was that he'd
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run up son and okay.
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So he didn't discuss it with you at the time.
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You just got struck straight back into the milking. Yeah,
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we get the cow through and then after that, yeah,
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gone home.
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Yeah, and then he's run the well, yeah, that's the
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way I can remember.
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I can. Yeah, I wouldn't say that he didn't discuss.
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It, but I can't remember him that he actually that
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he did that he did discuss it, And if he had,
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if I probably would afford his care, you know. But
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when it took off like it did, sort of left
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made dance in my mind that it was something out
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of out.
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Of the usual for sure.
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So what did it sound like.
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It sounded like like an aboriginal did you we do
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type noise and a type of concussion, type of.
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Concussion type of sound.
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Yeah, that's that's how it was powered that way.
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But it certainly had a lot of power.
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It was gone.
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Okay, yeah, And of course I didn't even get up
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to see what it was there.
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That's what it was.
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Well, there's been no reason to you no, of course,
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not no.
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But would you have described it as being as loud
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as a low flying helicopter louder, No, not just had
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or that loud, justnomb to get above the diesel engines
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for you to go, yeah, oh y, it's an unusual sound.
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Yeah, but you know, like the black Hawks and the helicopters,
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they make a lot of noise they do, and I
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wouldn't say that it was as loud as them when
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it took off.
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It was just a phenomena. It was a phenomenal al
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is when it took off.
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Okay, So, so as you said, it did power down
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and then.
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And then when it realized what am I doing here?
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I've seen what I want to say it whatever, Yeah,
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off they went off.
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They went, no worries, and of course the stop went
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crazy they did.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and they would have got a bird's eye viewer
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that sort of thing, you know. Yeah, cattle are always
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anything like strange, upset and very you know.
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Yeah, they spook easy, yes, yeah.
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They.
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They would have forged forward twenty to thirty feet and
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then realized that they couldn't go no further.
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They were very frightened.
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They were very frightened, and the dogs went quiet, and
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the dogs seemed to go quiet for a week or two. Yeah,
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were the horses here? There was a horse here. She
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was tied up for she in the yard, yep, and
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I saw her rare up.
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Yeah, so she reacted.
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Yeah, she didn't have a saddle on. I had ridden
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her bare back to get the cows in in the morning. Yeah,
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just a bridle. It's just a good quiet horse. So
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she read it up and come back down again. But
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she didn't break the reins or anything like that. So
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if it had been my other horse, she would have
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went through a defense, I'm sure. Yeah, the better horse
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was there that day, so she behaved herself pretty.
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Well, okay.
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And I've also read that the stock were a bit
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unusual for the time after that as well.
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Well, it was when they it would have been when
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they were coming back past where it had been. Yeah,
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they were always sniffing and smelling and carrying on like
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they do, like if there's been a dead another dead
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caw or something like that, they'll carry on until the
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smell goes. And that's what they were like, So behaving
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like that. They weren't silly, silly silly ye had but
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you had to drive and punches, drive and pass to
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keep moving.
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Yes, because the object was just over this hill here
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where we're standing.
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So getting them to go past that area.
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Was always a bit slower, always a bit slow they were.
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Do you think they were maybe remembering it?
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Who they would do?
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Yeah, animal, Yeah, so they would have remembered what happened.
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That that was the case.
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Now, soon after the events and there was some official interest.
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Oh yeah, can you remember who came here?
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Well, there would have been representatives of the heroine Sunday
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and perhaps some other papers. There was also someone came
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out from England. I I don't know who he was
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or who he represented, but there was he had come
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out from England to whether he was already out here
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or not, I don't know, okay, but yeah, there was
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a lot of UFO people around.
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Naturally they did come out.
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Oh yeah, yeah, So I did read that the CSI
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r O came here. They happily did. Yeah, and the
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rat came of course as well. And they did a
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bit of an investigation at the time and all for
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throughout all publicity. But mom and Dad got in letters
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that we've got. There was only one cranky.
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Letter, okay, and we reckon We worked out who that
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was was from people were knew, and it said, oh
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how big was it?
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Was? It as big as an orange.
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So obviously they didn't believe, or they didn't believe to
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start now they would the story.
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And how about over the years, you know, most people
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are very creditable and est to it and listening to
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I haven't had I never go and tell people what happened.
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If someone practiced me, then you yeah, say yeah.
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But yeah, most people, especially the last half dozen years
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or twelve years, a beginning to accept the fact that
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perhaps there is extra life out there.
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Out there, Yes, and on that particular day, they may
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have come in for a look at the broof arm't.
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Well, well, it wasn't the brow farm, or was Patrick Patrick.
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I don't know whether they came down by a mistake
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or whether they were just having to look around. To
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me as well as I would imagine they'd be just
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having to look around. I don't believe that they'd lost
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their way or anything like that. Too too too good
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to be losing their way.
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It was.
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It was pretty precise in what it did.
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Came down, had had a bit of a look of
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it for a while, and then took off.
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So so basically, yeah, had a look and it went
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off over that direction there, that's right north north northeast northwest.
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And so your father over the years, did he have
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much to say about it after that?
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His mind at all?
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He wasn't the publicity person. Yeah, he told what he knew,
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and mom and dad went to a few UFO meetings.
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They did, yes, but I think they got a little
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bit sick of them after a while because there was
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a fair bit of religion in it, apparently. Yeah, so
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they sort of decided that they weren't going to go anymore.
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They would went to half a dozen meeting they were invited,
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of course.
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Did you or your father see anything else at all
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over the years. So that was basically the main which
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was pretty pretty good.
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That's the main event.
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There's nothing else.
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There's nothing else occur stories the stories. Have you heard
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of any other stories? Yes, there have been other stories.
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That is always very interesting.
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Yes, it had apparently had been seen by someone else
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on that day.
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Someone else on the day, Yes, another another farmer around here.
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It was a local identity apparently. Yeah, and I know
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his surname, but I wouldn't know.
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That's fine, you don't.
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Then he may not be around anymore anyway.
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Okay.
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So yeah, it was either seen that day or in
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that week, or probably would have been the same day.
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Okay.
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Would he have been at Willow Grove or would he
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have been hell n or it would have been.
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Grave area. Okay.
492
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So so there was another sighting and you don't know
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what time of day or anything like that.
494
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.680
Okay, that's very interesting. I never knew that that there
495
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was any supporting people.
496
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:07.799
He wouldn't have come forward with it. I was fully
497
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:12.119
understandable too. Yeah, so that's that's quite reasonable. Yeah, okay, so.
498
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:16.319
Yeah, that's apparently it was seen on that particular day
499
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:17.759
by someone.
500
00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:20.319
Else, by someone else as well, but he's.
501
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Kept quiet about it.
502
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.440
So whether he was smarter or not, I don't know.
503
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:26.880
In those days you would have been especially you know,
504
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.079
I believe that if it was seen again today, anyone
505
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:34.640
would say, yes, we're definitely. The trouble is it was
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00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.480
only seen by one person, which you know.
507
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:39.319
That is a problem.
508
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It was.
509
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:41.920
Yeah, it limits the.
510
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.799
I suppose the impact of the experience. But you said
511
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:47.480
your father was a very level headed man.
512
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.640
Yeah, he wouldn't have been. No, no, no way, he
513
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:53.680
would have been making up a story. No, And it
514
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:55.839
wasn't because I can back it up. I heard it,
515
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:56.920
No know what happened.
516
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.279
Yeah, yeah, certainly.
517
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:03.839
It wasn't what have I called the wind, Yeah it was.
518
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:10.359
There was no helicopter, gyrocopter, aeroplane. The explanation was that
519
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:14.480
it was a tornado weather event. Didn't knock any buildings down,
520
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the trees or we're all still standing. It wasn't a
521
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tornado and it wasn't a wind either. But those things
522
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.680
that they put up, the C S I, R I
523
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:27.640
or whatever.
524
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:31.839
It is, balloons, Yeah, that wasn't. Yes, it wasn't a
525
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:33.960
weather balloon. It wasn't a plane. It was something that
526
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:35.759
it was something unusual.
527
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:39.000
It was something that shouldn't have been there, shouldn't have.
528
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:42.839
Been there, absolutely shouldn't have been there. So well, thank
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00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:44.400
you very much for your time today, Trevor.
530
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:46.480
It's really good. And we'll have a bit more of
531
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:49.319
a walk around and we'll shoot some more footage for
532
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:51.480
you of the actual location so you'll get a good
533
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.119
look at it, and Trevor might give us a bit
534
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:55.880
of a walkthrough on some of the some of the
535
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:56.799
other aspects of the day.
536
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.279
Yeah, probably got some more in the back of my mind,
537
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:07.480
but it has been fifty two years, so very thank you.
538
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.039
There were Yeah, that wasn't down there.
539
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:12.200
It was soon here.
540
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:15.279
Okay, So here in this area here there were large
541
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:16.960
rocks and they've come and have.
542
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:18.279
Extracted those rocks.
543
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.720
So whether someone took them for garden beds or it
544
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.519
could have been yeah, it was taken for another reason.
545
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:28.079
As another possibility as well.
546
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:29.640
They were here when we left.
547
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.039
They were yeah, okay.
548
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.079
It's very it's very interesting to know that that was
549
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:36.799
and you said there was a meteorite that was extracted
550
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.039
from not necessarily around the event.
551
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.359
We don't know whether it had anything to do with
552
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:46.160
the identified objects or not. No, And we don't for
553
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.319
sure know whether it was a meteorite or not, but
554
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:50.920
someone said that it was. It was a meteorite, yeah,
555
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.279
and it had landed in there. Yeah, but whether that's
556
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:58.279
please are born or I don't know whether that was
557
00:31:58.359 --> 00:31:59.480
actually a media right.
558
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:02.680
Okay, well that's interesting.
559
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:06.000
So it is. I don't believe they had anything to
560
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.720
do with the UFO, So I don't believe.
561
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:13.720
Just another coincidence in this area here where we're standing
562
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.720
people right here up to the maximum height of about
563
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:18.400
thirty feet.
564
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:22.720
This is where the object was hovering for some up
565
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.039
to ten seconds that Charles.
566
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.200
Saw, and then it disappeared out over the mountain which
567
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:29.839
is just off here that we're.
568
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:33.400
Panning around to now, and then it was gone and Trevor.
569
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.519
Didn't have the opportunity to see it because it was
570
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:41.759
here and it disappeared in next to no time at all, and.
571
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:43.480
Trevor didn't realize what it was as well.
572
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:49.680
So so yeah, very interesting.
573
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.079
Trevor was only a young twenty year old and it
574
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:57.920
did not expect to see UFO no, right.
575
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.960
Yeah, So I hope you enjoyed that that interview that
576
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:06.559
I did with Trevor Brew at the location, and those
577
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:10.880
pictures that I were circulating through the audio, they were
578
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:15.119
actually at the location where both Trevor and I was standing.
579
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:20.440
So basically, when you look at this picture here, the
580
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:24.000
UFO was back up over above Trevor's head on the
581
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.440
right hand side there, and this picture here is just
582
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:31.440
right out across that whole beautiful area which leads off
583
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.920
towards the Bourbonne Mountains, so it's in a very rolling hill,
584
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.839
lush sort of dairy area. Very common for UFOs to
585
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:44.079
appear around dairy farms. So I've got another little treat
586
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.799
for you now too. I'm going to play a snippet
587
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.440
of an interview that Charles Brew did many years ago,
588
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:56.680
so Charles being the primary witness, He was interviewed by
589
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.720
a gentleman called Kevin Arnett who used to work for
590
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:04.200
the Australian Broadcasting Corporation and he did a brief interview
591
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.839
with Charles at the location. So I'm just going to
592
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.239
play a snippet of that for you too, so you
593
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:14.800
can hear Charles's version of events. Just press play.
594
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:21.320
That's about the sight of it is about twenty five
595
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.519
thirty feet of furs. In this hears, I could work
596
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:24.880
out in about nine feet.
597
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You know, in depth.
598
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.119
It was raining hard at seven thirty that morning when
599
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:35.639
Charles brue was milking his cars. What was about to
600
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.480
happen was to put Willow Grove in Victoria's Gibbs Land
601
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:42.320
on the map and to put the date April twenty eighth,
602
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:46.239
nineteen sixty three firmly in Charles Bruce's mind for the rest.
603
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:46.639
Of his life.
604
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:51.920
Way through milking, and the cows were very disturbed, and
605
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.079
they parently broke away from over there.
606
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:55.239
That's probably what.
607
00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:00.239
Drew my attention to it first, trashing out what hell
608
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:03.519
was that? And I looked over there and I seen
609
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:12.079
this object, which I took to be a flying and
610
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:18.280
we went on looking through a while, and I look
611
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.000
and I walked up people the doorway I'm going to
612
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.599
get across to towards you get a closer up book,
613
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:28.719
and this thing was over and there, raining very heavy
614
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.400
at the time. I said, well, I'll sif I can
615
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:37.159
live the good place, didn't you if I make any
616
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:37.920
movement at all?
617
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.039
It did slightly given just before before it a board
618
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towards me.
619
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.039
And then I got this sounding great headache and just
620
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:53.840
like something you want, and I'm bad, and I got
621
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.280
this headach which lasted, I suppose the best part of
622
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.519
a week before it finally went away and then a
623
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.320
level up a little and then took off.
624
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.719
About the meeting, right, this is another important thing. It
625
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.679
was a meeting. Oh yeah, yes, Well the.
626
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:11.760
Met was in this area.
627
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:17.280
Yes, that's where the lightly at that spot just where
628
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:19.559
we're standing here. Well, I didn't look for it for
629
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.119
about two days, out of suppose, and I got off
630
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.000
amatic pick. I think it was a pick, and I
631
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:29.360
don't get up there and to ye the pickri that was,
632
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:31.599
I suppose a.
633
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:37.199
Little bit bigger than Australian rules football, and hollow inside
634
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.239
and a stone color normal stone.
635
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.280
Colors on the outside, moss on top, and as I said,
636
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.480
on the inside was jet black.
637
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.079
It's thought by some that meteorites may attract UFOs, and
638
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.920
if this is so, that's the coincidence of this setting.
639
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.400
It's not as extraordinary as some may believe. Do you
640
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:56.960
think people would regard you as a crank?
641
00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:57.440
Oh?
642
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:02.000
Yes, I got one of my I said, dent, and
643
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:05.400
I reckon too.
644
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:08.960
One of these days, you never know, you might see
645
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:13.000
something yourself and change your mind that was years ago,
646
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:19.559
years before and what you're seeing and trying and working.
647
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:19.880
Out from lear.
648
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.079
So there you go. That's in the words of the
649
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.840
man himself, Charles Charles Brew and he mentioned a friend,
650
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.639
Ron Dent, and I actually knew Ron Dent when I
651
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:37.039
was about twenty years old. I worked for his son.
652
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:41.880
So small, small connections like that are really quite intriguing.
653
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:46.199
So I hope you enjoyed the presentation and the intrigue
654
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.480
of the willow Grave Encounter. And to round out this
655
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:53.199
week's episode, I'm going to share with you a rare
656
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.000
interview that Kelly Cahill did. And Kelly had the unusual
657
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:02.679
encounter in Narry Warren in August nineteen ninety three when herself,
658
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:07.159
her husband and three other cars saw that incredible football
659
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:11.639
field UFO that appeared out over the field and then
660
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:14.679
these beings with red eyes charged across the paddic, very
661
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.719
very famous case. This is an interview that she did
662
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.800
at a at a conference in nineteen ninety seven in Melbourne,
663
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.000
so it hasn't been seen very much and it was
664
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:28.159
done on a program called Top Secret TV with David Beckett,
665
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.199
which ran for a season or two on public public
666
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:35.960
air television and she and in this one she sort
667
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.639
of talks about about a lot of different things, so
668
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:41.880
it's sort of a bit more of a of a
669
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.320
sort of an access to Kelly and her thoughts, and
670
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:47.760
I thought that maybe it might be interesting to have
671
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:50.079
a bit of a look at that, so I'll play
672
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:50.519
that now.
673
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:02.880
I'm speaking with Kelly Carhill actually is one of a
674
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.039
rear breed of Australians who's had a multiple witness encounter
675
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:10.480
a UFO experience of the first time, I guess, and
676
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.960
that involves physical ground traces and actual marks and people's
677
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:17.840
bodies as well as in contact with the beings themselves.
678
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.639
So welcome, Killy, Hi David. Not bad, that's good.
679
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.559
Now, I'd like to actually start off firstly by I
680
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:27.639
think your case is very interesting in the way that
681
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:28.880
it's been portrayed in the media.
682
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:30.159
You've had quite a lot of media attention.
683
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:31.960
Can you take us through some of the good and
684
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.360
bad experiences or some of the issues that have ways
685
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:34.800
to do with me?
686
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:37.000
Yeah, I guess I could.
687
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:39.719
Actually the only reason that I went public in the
688
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:43.920
first place is thanks to another experiencer in Sydney. He
689
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.800
had been doing a little bit of public work himself,
690
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:48.559
and he said, look, there's so many of us, and
691
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:52.039
you know how many there is, but everyone's well, no
692
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.639
one's game to come forward simply because they've got no evidence.
693
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:56.480
And here you are sitting there with all of this
694
00:39:56.599 --> 00:39:59.360
physical evidence, with other witnesses something no one else has,
695
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:03.440
and you staying quiet. So basically that was the first
696
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.760
thing I did. Was it was a conference and it
697
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.639
went on from there. I found that I haven't had
698
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:13.760
too much flack compared to what a lot of other
699
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:14.760
people might have had.
700
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:15.440
I've had.
701
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.360
I've had one or two incidences where the where the
702
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.880
where the presenter hasn't been very keen on the subject
703
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:27.559
at all, but usually that's more to do with a
704
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:29.000
bigoted opinion of whether.
705
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:32.320
UFOs exist or not, and when it comes down to.
706
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:38.079
The actual evidence available for the existence of UFOs, it's
707
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:41.639
quite quite easy to stomp in the end. So I
708
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:43.800
know it's been pretty good, but it's been very, very hectic.
709
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:47.320
I think that I found that.
710
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:51.280
Once it started, it just didn't seem to stop. So
711
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.840
it wasn't a case of doing one thing, but you know,
712
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:55.360
one followed by a million.
713
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.960
But you've had pretty positive experience with the media.
714
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.800
Yeah, most of it has been as I said, occasionally,
715
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:07.440
I mean I've had this problem of the skeptics following
716
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.280
me around. A particular Victorian skeptic is my problem at
717
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:12.800
the moment, and he keeps jumping on the bandwagon with
718
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.400
any of my media. And I mean, he's done some
719
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:19.280
wonderful things. He said, called me a what was it,
720
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:24.559
a disorganized neurotic woman because I took my handbag with
721
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.079
me to the encounter. Mind you, they can't dump on
722
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.639
the case and can only dump on the person.
723
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.400
Yeah, and I don't even know this guy. He's been
724
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:34.760
telling the media all about me, sort of.
725
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.119
So I'm picking up the interviews I've done and all
726
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.280
of a sudden, this guy's name's popped up again and
727
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:41.800
he's had his little say about me, and I, oh,
728
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:43.199
I would be nice to meet.
729
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:47.559
Him one day. But I've been told there's a lot
730
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:48.840
of media that goes on without me.
731
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:49.320
Now, you know.
732
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:51.440
It's sort of like, quite often I get told, oh,
733
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.679
you're in the paper today, all they were talking about
734
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:55.159
you on TV the other day, and they're the ones
735
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:56.199
I have no control over.
736
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:58.039
And how do you feel about that?
737
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.360
The fact that you've almost turned into an icon for
738
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:04.679
the UFO scene in Australia, particularly abduct these industry.
739
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:10.679
Yeah, and I kind I wouldn't say AMBASSADORFF. Well, I
740
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:11.039
don't know.
741
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.320
Do you think you get targeted both for positive and
742
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:18.880
bad publicity because you are such a high profile I guess.
743
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:20.599
I mean the last.
744
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:23.639
Creation that I heard about, Bill Chalker told me that
745
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:25.559
they put on a television show in Sydney where the
746
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.159
Skeiptics were sitting there saying that I'd given birth to
747
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:31.280
an alien hybrid baby. And I'm not sure whether it
748
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.440
was national television or not, but you know, I sort
749
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.239
of I start thinking, you know, the stories are going
750
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.599
to start getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and I'm
751
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:43.519
not there to myself, but in a lot of ways,
752
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:45.159
I think it's encouraged a lot more people to come
753
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:48.920
forward about their experiences. I mean, that's what I guess
754
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.679
the whole, the whole main thing is about is that
755
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:55.719
you know, I can't really well the case itself can't
756
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:59.840
really be crucified. And a lot of serious people are
757
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.599
of academics, you know, a lot of a lot of scientists,
758
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:04.800
a lot of interested parties are actually starting to pay
759
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:09.800
serious attention to it, and you know, whereas any person
760
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.639
like that had underground involvement in the UFO field before,
761
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:14.800
they're starting to come out about it too.
762
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.559
And a lot of people are starting to feel like, hey,
763
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.239
there are people here. You know, I can come and
764
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:20.239
tell somebody.
765
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.559
Now, or or you know, I found out that there's
766
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:24.400
experience support groups and I can go and meet other
767
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:27.440
people like me. And I think a lot of people
768
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:29.480
are coming out of the closet and which is really
769
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.639
you know, it's building, it's building public acceptability up as well,
770
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:35.320
so people.
771
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.480
Are starting to realize, hey, there is something going on here.
772
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:38.119
And.
773
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:44.239
Maybe eventually, maybe you know, look at the people like
774
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:47.599
governments who give grants for you well, who give grants
775
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:49.679
for research in every other field, might decide to turn
776
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:53.159
around and say, oh, well, there's so many people calling
777
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:55.239
out for belief here, maybe we ought to do something
778
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.880
about UFO research too and actually fund something that might
779
00:43:59.000 --> 00:43:59.920
produce some results.
780
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.719
So, you know, I think it can only be beneficial
781
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:06.199
in the with with the government Ritish to what degree
782
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.480
obviously you would have heard of all your conspiracies here.
783
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:14.039
Ones, Yeah, what's your general feeling on the UFO cover.
784
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:19.159
I don't know, I'm not personally, I'm not much into
785
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:25.280
the idea that the government's hand in hand with aliens.
786
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:27.559
I don't like that at all. I do believe that
787
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.000
there's that there is.
788
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.360
Covert military activity going on, but I think even on
789
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.159
the same level trying to find out more of what's
790
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:44.400
going on. But I don't believe that, say, it's just usual,
791
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.960
usual defense force. I mean, they opened up their archives
792
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.440
ages ago then and gave them to the researchers, and
793
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.880
they tell everyone.
794
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.000
Else to go to the researchers.
795
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.480
But there are interested you know, there are sort of
796
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.840
little task forces and things that I'm well pretty well
797
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:05.559
it exist even in Australia, and there are more or
798
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:10.159
less interested in I can I say it, in gathering information.
799
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:13.480
So I don't really think that they've got answers. But
800
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:15.599
I think that they want answers just as.
801
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:18.039
Much as anyone else, you know. But I don't know.
802
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:20.480
As for the American.
803
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:23.639
Scene, well, you know, if anything happens, it happens in America,
804
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:24.119
doesn't it.
805
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:26.079
So I really don't know.
806
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.840
I would say that obviously there's something going on over there.
807
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.800
There's just too many secret documents, too many well too
808
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:37.440
many top secret documents that aren't aren't allowed to be
809
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.519
released from the States on the UFO topic. And if
810
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:42.719
they don't exist, well why not release the whole God temple?
811
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:44.400
And it doesn't you know, it doesn't, thinek it happens.
812
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:48.000
But as for the big conspiracies, and you know, I'm
813
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:51.599
an sort of underground bases and aliens and humans sharing
814
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:54.880
their technology together and allowing people to be abducted and all.
815
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:58.000
That sort of stuff from you know, I sort of
816
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.840
try and picked my feet on the ground a bit
817
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:04.079
more than that. I mean, if they proved me wrong
818
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:05.840
one day, well I'll stand through as say, my god,
819
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:06.400
I was wrong.
820
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:11.199
Yeah, I'm not so sure about that side of it.
821
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.800
Moving on to some of the associated phenomena like crop
822
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:17.119
circles and mutilations.
823
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.280
Now that sort of thing seems to be on the increase.
824
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:22.880
Do you do you think that there's any link between
825
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:25.760
UFOs and crop circles or UFOs and kettle mutilations.
826
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:27.239
Well, it's really funny.
827
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.480
I don't know if you saw that video recently that
828
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.760
came out of the little Light going around creating a
829
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.360
crop that was proved to be a fake. But the
830
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.760
funny thing is is that We've got some friends in
831
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.679
Holland who have researched crop circles, and I know some
832
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:45.599
other people, and quite often in filming crop circles that
833
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:48.800
are already there, a little light will be seen spinning
834
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:51.639
around the crop circle, not actually creating it, but they
835
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:53.920
are seen, and I'm more inclined.
836
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:55.000
I don't know.
837
00:46:56.639 --> 00:47:00.199
See there's a lot of light phenomena seen in in
838
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.000
relationship to crop circles.
839
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:03.480
But not necessarily u FI phenomena.
840
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:06.119
I don't know if it's some sort of natural light
841
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:09.440
phenomenal or some sort of magnetic light phenomena from the Earth,
842
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:12.199
but I don't see it. I see it only linked
843
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:16.000
with lights, you know, even I mean, especially over in England,
844
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:19.039
there's sort of It's not you know, a dirty big
845
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:24.039
triangular shaped UFOs or big ground silver spherical things that
846
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:26.960
seem to be connected to it. It's it's light forms,
847
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.960
and so I don't know. Maybe there is a connection
848
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:32.320
or maybe it's just a different type of phenomena. Definitely,
849
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:36.119
I guess it definitely goes over the over the boundaries
850
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.519
of your usual physical.
851
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:41.199
Phenomena, like just like the UFOs do. But whether there's
852
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:43.960
a link or not, I don't know cattle mutilations. I
853
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:46.599
got a good theory on this one. I don't know anything.
854
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:48.840
I don't know enough, you know, but what it's only
855
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:50.079
a recent one that I came up with.
856
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:56.159
What I thought is I noticed that when when they
857
00:47:56.199 --> 00:48:00.840
were doing when they released the infant on the cloning
858
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:02.920
that they've done with the sheep, and I noticed that
859
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:06.199
they'd taken it from the mammary gland and they and
860
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:08.079
they actually had attempts.
861
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.000
At other soft tissue areas. Then I looked at cattle
862
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:12.199
mutilations and I thought, these are the parts that go.
863
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.920
It's the lips to see others, it's the vaginal areas,
864
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:16.519
all the anal areas, and they're.
865
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.199
All the soft tissue areas of the body. And I thought,
866
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:19.280
you know, we could have.
867
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:22.039
Some sort of secret cloning going on here that we're
868
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:24.559
not supposed to know about. Isn't there a perfect cover
869
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.280
up with a with an alien situation?
870
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:31.719
I mean, this is just soft true, But with the
871
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:33.880
way I look at it, if they're presenting as a sheep.
872
00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:36.480
That they've already cloned, well, you know, and I mean
873
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.960
we've known about it sort of well, there's been knowledge
874
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:44.360
about the stealth like the stealth in the seventies that
875
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:49.320
wasn't and the Aurora and they and basically when that
876
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.239
was talked about, that was a wholly rubbish and it
877
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:53.880
was a big conspiracy idea and it was a load
878
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:56.920
of garbage. But eventually they let us know, which means
879
00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:58.239
that they've got something bigger and better.
880
00:48:58.280 --> 00:48:59.599
And I think it's the same with the cloning. They
881
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:00.960
wouldn't let us know that they've.
882
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:01.280
Gone this far.
883
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:03.360
That's all they gone. You know, I don't think it's
884
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.079
much further advanced. And I think, yeah, yeah, so.
885
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:08.519
What you're suggesting is that ten to fifteen year time
886
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:11.679
lag between the military and trickle down effective technologies.
887
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:15.320
So yeah, yeah, well we're getting to hear about it. Yeah,
888
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.800
so I we've got clothes chips, now what they whatever,
889
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:20.280
they've got ten to fifteen Yeah, exactly. But I don't know.
890
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:21.000
I just thought this.
891
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.320
I'm probably wrong, but I thought that cattle mutilations link
892
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:26.840
with this well, well, god knows, you never know that
893
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:30.199
the aliens might, you know.
894
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:31.719
I just thought it was a good link. Yeah, it's
895
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.719
an interesting idea. Just just to finish off with or
896
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.400
as the last couple of questions, the spiritual evolution angle
897
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:41.079
do you think that the UFO experiences that are not
898
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:43.000
only yourself but other people are having are in some
899
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.159
way link to our evolution, whether that be a physical
900
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:46.559
evolution or a spiritual evolution.
901
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:48.880
Well, there's definitely a lot of changes in a human
902
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:53.679
being mentally. I even think you could go as far
903
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:58.719
as sayings whether it is because of the experience, or
904
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:03.480
it was created during the experience, or has come about
905
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:06.719
as an after effect. You know, of the experience, it
906
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:10.880
seems to be an expansion in mind capability towards a
907
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:15.360
lot more guess, a lot more metaphysical things and a
908
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.239
lot more psychic things. And I've been through all of
909
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:19.360
these myself. But you know, I look at it from
910
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:21.840
two angles. You learn to adapt to those sort of
911
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:24.239
things and it sort of becomes like eating.
912
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:26.599
Breathing, or any other part of you, or you know,
913
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:28.480
you go the other way, you end up an absolute
914
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:29.039
fruit loop.
915
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:32.800
Or you know, someone that no one else can understand
916
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.039
because they've gone so whod guru that you know what
917
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:39.559
I mean, it's unbelievable. You can accept that this is
918
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:42.400
you know, these facilities have become available to you and
919
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:43.400
you can exercise them.
920
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:45.159
At the same time, keep your logic and your feet
921
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:46.000
on the ground, and you've.
922
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:48.800
Got more of a chance of sort of being analytical
923
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:50.960
about it and actually learning how to develop it and
924
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:51.559
how to use it.
925
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:55.000
And I do think that that is very prominent with with.
926
00:50:56.320 --> 00:51:00.440
With people who've had UFO encounters and experiences and people
927
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.679
that I've met that I know for certain bona fide
928
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:07.920
experiences I have had had an incredible change psychically.
929
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:12.159
And yeah, definitely that's very interesting.
930
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:14.920
Now it's just to sort of close off, but you're
931
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.480
doing a few pretty interesting things with regards to the media.
932
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:19.079
I understand you've got a doctor coming up.
933
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:20.440
Yeah, that's right.
934
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:24.400
I'm one of one of a number of people.
935
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:30.800
Actually on that documentary it's about that's basically covering abduction
936
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.119
cases in Australia.
937
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:33.320
Great, that's really good.
938
00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:36.760
And yeah, and what about We've also got this book,
939
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:41.920
So if anyone's actually interested in reading Kelly's story, pretty
940
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:44.639
amazing story, just sort of get hold of.
941
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.920
This book is available just bookstores the usual places.
942
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:48.280
It should be.
943
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:50.239
I mean, it came out in September last year. This
944
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:54.639
should still be somewhere but yeah, no, they should still
945
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:56.719
be able to find it in kmart or target or
946
00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:00.599
somewhere like that or in some bookshops newsagents.
947
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:03.800
You've probably got more of a chance in some way,
948
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:05.760
like Angus and Robertson or something like that.
949
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:10.480
Yeah, okay, And of course you're actually in negotiations for
950
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:10.840
a movie.
951
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:12.760
Yeah, yeah, I guess.
952
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:17.400
So they're actually negotiating with just for this is actually
953
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:18.840
for the book, to make a movie out of the book,
954
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.719
which includes a bit more than the experience, it includes.
955
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.480
My personal life. Is this going to be a little
956
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:26.400
bit like a fire in the sky or something like that.
957
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.239
That's sort of a yeah, But they want to make
958
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:33.039
it almost like a biography of a life, so they
959
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:34.519
want to carry it on further to the work I'm
960
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.119
doing with Exposure magazine now and everything else.
961
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:38.920
You know how everything's followed.
962
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:40.679
Tracks and how it's had an effect on the entire
963
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:44.079
life scheme of a you know, a suburban Melbourne housewife.
964
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:48.400
And yeah, they're negotiating with a few networks at the
965
00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:49.960
moment for it's a for a talent movie.
966
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:52.679
And yeah, I'm just sort of sitting back waiting.
967
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:56.199
There's about I think there's three potential groups of backers
968
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:57.239
that they're doing deals with it.
969
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.800
So yeah, all right, that's all we have time for
970
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:03.639
Thanks much for moving along, and yeah.
971
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:05.559
We'll catch up with you sometime in the future.
972
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:06.199
So there you go.
973
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:10.440
That was Kelly at Contact nineteen ninety seven. And it's
974
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:13.599
interesting to note that what they were talking about back
975
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:17.719
then is still just as relevant today. So you know,
976
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.400
listening to what David was going through with her in that,
977
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:24.559
it's all still very very current all these years, all
978
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:28.880
these years later, moving on. And the TV show that
979
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.880
she was referring to is actually called OZ Encounters and
980
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:37.119
that's really good Australian documentary, perhaps the last really good
981
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.599
documentary that was ever made, and that was made around
982
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:43.760
that time in the mid to late nineteen nineties Oz Encounters,
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and it's on YouTube. You can certainly check it out.
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And Kelly does appear in that, and she also appeared
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in The Extraordinary, which was another TV show that was
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on Australia during that period of time that focused on
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paranormal events in Australia. And that movie never eventuated that
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she's talking about at the end, so that was a
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bit of a shame that that that didn't come to fruition.
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But that's a little snapshot of Kelly in nineteen ninety seven,
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what was going on for her and the UFO whole
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phenomenon at that time, and plus we had the I
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hope you enjoyed the Charles and Trevor brew story as well,
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so I look forward to seeing you again next week
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when we shall continue. I had another one, which was
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a UFO case in Orange, but we've just run out
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of time for that today, and I'll be sure to
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cover that again next week. So thank you for joining
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me very much, and I'll look forward to seeing you then.
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Have an absolutely great night