We Want to Try it All! Sample Different Somatic & Witchy Modalities with Kanjana Hartshorne, LCSW, C-IAYT, Reiki Master, CCFP

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Welcome to the Witchy Therapist Podcast.
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I'm Stacy Aldridge.
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I'm a therapist and Ricky Master who is learning how to bring my witchy and therapist parts together.
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And I'm Charity O'Reilly, a trauma therapist who has learned to embrace all the holistic ways we heal from trauma and thrive in this dumpster fire of a world.
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We are here to explore together what it means to be a witchy therapist, how to blend witchy practices with evidence-based therapies, and dive deep into the magical world of how we use our witchy powers as we heal.
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Hi everybody, welcome back to another wonderful interview on the Witchy Therapist Podcast.
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We're really excited for you to hear from Kangen, our guest today.
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However, you might notice that we actually swapped around the episodes.
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Partway through our conversation with Kangena, we realized that one of her incredible offerings you would hear about too late if we waited to air this until October when it was originally scheduled to air.
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Kanjana is going to talk all about her semantic sampler.
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And once you hear about it, I think you're really going to want to attend.
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And you'll hear that there are two different ways that you could attend the sematic sampler.
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One would be in person, and actually, if you chose to come in person, you'd be with me and Kanjana and actually one of our other former guests, Jody Silverman, will all be presenting at the Somatic Sampler in the Poconos in January.
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However, we guess that not everybody can come to the Poconos in January.
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And so Kangena also is offering a mini version in September, a virtual version, which is why we wanted to make sure to air this episode as soon as we could.
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Because of that, you'll notice that in the conversation, Kanjana and I nerd out a little bit about A Court of Florence and Roses and the fact that it is actually the next Avatar book is scheduled to release when Kanena was originally scheduled to be on the podcast in late October.
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But the dates will no longer make sense because we bumped the episode up considerably.
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We also wanted to let you know that Kangena has offered a discount code for the in-person version of the schematic sampler.
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We'll share this in the show notes, we'll share it on our social media.
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But she has created a code just for our listeners.
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You can get$100 off the ticket to the in-person conference with the code Witchy100, or there's also a payment plan version, which is$33 off each payment for the three-month payment plan.
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And that code is Witchy100PP.
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We wanted to make sure that you knew as you were listening that there are two amazing options coming up, and one of them is actually happening this September.
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We hope that you enjoy the show.
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Hello everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the Witchy Therapist Podcast.
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We are so excited to have Kangena with us today.
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And in a little bit, as always, we'll share about her and I'll share with everyone how Kanja and I connected.
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But first of all, um we want to start the way we always do with Stacy and I sharing our Witchy resources this week.
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So, Stacy, what is a resource you would like to share?
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I have been trying to dropped my pen on the floor.
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I have been trying to add a little bit more ritual into my daily life.
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And I've been revisiting the book Monday Magic by Molly Donlin.
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And I feel like it's probably okay to say that she will be a guest on the podcast in season two, which I'm very excited about because D Mystify Magic, her podcast, was I think the first witchy podcast I ever listened to.
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Stacey, this is hilarious.
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I almost brought that book as my resource.
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I just got it because you have told me about it.
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And last night I was reading it in the bath and I'm basically now just sharing it as my resource as well because it was so good.
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It was so good.
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I could not believe how packed it is with information.
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Could not believe it.
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Because I feel like oftentimes you get books like that and they have a little bit of good information and either a lot of fluff or not a lot of anything.
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It is packed with good information.
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It would have been hilarious.
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Now I do wish I brought it as my resource.
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I wanted more time to like, I know, I wanted more time to read it.
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It was my first, like I was just, I was kind of jumping around because you can do that with it.
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So I was like looking at different sections.
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Yes.
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And I was like, oh, should I bring this tomorrow?
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And then I was like, you know what?
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I'm gonna, I'm gonna read it more, but that would have been so funny.
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Yeah.
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And I I did a video, a reel um of like beginner witchy books, and I did not include this one.
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And somebody had commented and said, This is a great book too.
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And I said, Well, you know, I got the signed copy from um Spellcrafter, which is her co-host on the podcast um store.
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Because of course I wanted the signed copy, but then I also got the audio book because as an ADHDer, you know, there are times when I'm like, I'm gonna listen to the book, and then there's times when I want the physical copy for like the simmer pot recipes and stuff, which she does have a download with the audiobook, but I just really wanted to have both.
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I mean, another thing that was super impressive about it is all of the um like tables in the back with like here's all the herbs and all of their uses, here's all the crystals and all of their uses.
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And so for me, definitely I agree I would like a physical book for that kind of thing, but that's very cool that she does a download.
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And does that include those like tables and and stuff?
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I'm sure it does.
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I didn't download it since I do have the book, but I know she had mentioned that you could do that.
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Well, this is just gonna be a resource that's gonna reoccur because it really is that good.
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So I'm so excited.
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Um yeah, and I think anything, you know, I started doing, and I can't remember if it's in the book or it was on just on her Instagram.
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But when I make my coffee in the morning, setting intentions and stirring in the Reiki symbols, and that just feels like a great way to start the day.
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But I would also like to do other things throughout the day that just make it a little bit more magical and kind of bring me back to, you know, me and my body and not just like therapy, telehealth, you know.
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Well, what I was so impressed by, among many things, when I was just browsing through it, is that um there is like no area of life that she does not have an idea for how you can make the mundane magic.
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So, like she talked about taking out the trash and like the intentions that you can set when you're taking out the trash.
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Like, we love to talk about that with like, you know, our showers or our baths or things like that.
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But like literally, there was nothing.
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I don't know how long she must have spent thinking of what is every single thing that a human being might do on a daily, weekly, monthly basis.
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She talked about when you're paying your taxes, like everything.
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And I was just like, oh my gosh, I love this.
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I feel like it was probably one of those things where she was thinking, how do I make this for me?
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And then I turn it into a book too, because you know, cleaning your kitchen.
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She's always doing videos of like, we have to clean this kitchen, let's make it magical.
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Because yeah, like all of the housework stuff, uh, there's just no dopamine in it.
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There's not.
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Yes, exactly.
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Exactly.
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Ah, well, that is so so fun, and it would have been hilarious.
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And I wish I had it here on my desk because I could have at least, but it's actually up by the bathtub.
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That makes sense.
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Exactly, because I'll read it again in the bathtub tonight.
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Yeah, but what did you choose for your witchy resource?
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So this is something I have never done before.
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And what I actually chose, and I gave it a lot of thought because I was like, is that weird to do?
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But I decided it wasn't, and you can both tell me if it was.
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I actually chose as a resource the resources that our guest today, Kanjana, has.
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Because yeah, similar to what we were just talking about with Molly's book, Kanjana has so many resources and she does so many things.
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Uh, she's definitely one of those people that you're like, how do you do all of these things?
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And how do you have so many resources?
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So, you know, I think the first place, Kanjana, that I saw your resources was on Instagram.
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And the reels that you make about somatic work and embodied living and all of those things are just so wonderful.
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And so that's a really easy access point for people if you're looking.
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Well, what are Kangena's resources?
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Is her Instagram.
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Although you actually have a couple Instagrams, so I do.
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As do I.
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So I can't uh I can't get on that.
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But um yes.
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Oh yeah, Stacey, you have like seven Instagrams.
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Amazing.
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The cake with the Instagram because the ADHD makes me make me start businesses before I realized I had ADHD.
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And I was like, oh, starting businesses is how I get my dopamine.
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Oops.
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Okay, but I want to share some of Kanjana's other resources.
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I'm sure that she will share resources, but okay, so then I got connected to Kanjana through her courses, and she has so many kinds of courses that I am still learning.
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I still come across things on the internet that I'm like, what?
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I didn't know that Kanjana also did this.
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So we'll have to ask you about some of them, Kanjana.
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But for instance, one that she recently did was a CE course about falconry.
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Oh, yeah, unexpected.
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That's so cool.
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So cool.
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Um, she has a very cool um whole training thing coming up, the somatic sampler that we're definitely gonna talk about on this podcast.
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So I won't go too far into that.
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But she also is going to be hosting um like a, I'm not sure exactly what you'd call it, Kanchima, like an online hub for CEs, for therapists, like evergreen trainings that people can access over and over again.
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I'm actually gonna be doing one on Mother Maiden Crone for that.
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So very excited about that.
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Oh, I love that.
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But then I just learned, I just stumbled across this randomly, that she also does international retreats, which I did not know, and she has one about romanticy in Scotland.
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Yeah, yes.
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I was like, I know charity's into romanticies, Stacy.
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Are you like very much a non-fiction or thrillers kind of a person?
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You know what?
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I just realized this is going to air, I believe, the week that Sarah J.
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Moss's new Aquatar book comes out.
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Oh, yes, I believe.
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So for everybody who so let's see, what day of the week does that come out?
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I'm gonna look at my calendar because I think I think it's the 26th.
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I think it's the 26th because there's a a release at the bookstore near me.
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Yes, amazing.
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And so actually, you would air the next day, the 27th.
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Perfect.
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And I wonder if it's midnight, like is that Sunday into Monday that her book releases or Monday into Tuesday?
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Anyways, it'll be right around that same time.
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So, for any listeners who are also romantic fans and who are maybe also, like perhaps Kanj and I are doing waiting with Bated Breath for the next Avatar book.
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I don't know if you're an Avatar fan, but you knew about your book release.
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Yes, exactly.
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Um, a romanticy retreat in Scotland.
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I cannot get over it.
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And this is their CE retreats as well.
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And I know you have a bunch of other very cool things.
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So I just feel like you have so many creative ways and at all different access points, you know, whether it's like um an Instagram reel or it's uh the somatic sampler online version or it's like a full conference or it's a romantic retreat in Scotland.
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So, really, when I was thinking about well, what is a good resource?
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I look at you as a resource, and you have so many resources for therapists.
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Um, so that's what I wanted to share, which kind of got us into your bio.
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But I'm gonna let Stacy share your real bio.
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And you know, maybe Stacy, just since we're here, I kind of already shared sort of how Kanja and I met.
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Um, but actually, I think our first connection point might have been that we're both presenting at a conference next August in Seattle.
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Um, and so that's the Therapist Evolution Summit.
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Kanja and I will both be presenting at.
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And so I think we became a little connected that way, and then through your conference in January, which I'm also presenting at, and we just have had a bunch of points of connection come up, um, which is really cool.
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So, do you want to share Kangen's official vial so everybody can hear all about her?
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Yes.
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Kanjina Harthorn takes therapy beyond the couch and into the world through nature, movement, art, music, and energy.
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As a psychotherapist, yoga therapist, and breaking master, she helps people discover transformation through the body, breath, sound, and creative or spiritual practices that align with their values.
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As founder of Healing Hearts Models, Confina leads a team of somatic therapists, redefining what modern healing as rounded in science and infused with spirit.
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Through Launter Home Retreats, her continuing education and retreat brand for therapists, she creates immersive learning experiences that invite clinicians to reconnect with their own healing and bring that aliveness back to their work.
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Her retreats and seeing programs explore every layer of being, physical, energetic, emotional, intuitive, and spiritual.
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Now we are also internationally.
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Yes.
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And when you were reading the different layers, I was like, where's the romanticy?
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That's a layer of our being, right?
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Yes.
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Definitely.
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At least you and me.
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Exactly.
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Some of us, some of us.
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Although, Stacey, I do feel like since you love like horror and stuff, it all fits into paranormal, right?
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Like whether it's about the Fey or vampires or ghosts or whatever, it's all paranormal.
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That's true.
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There is a whole dark romantic category.
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That's so true.
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Yes.
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Now we can't get, I mean, we probably could, but we shouldn't get too into books.
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But now I was I thought that the dark stuff was like serial killers and like like creepy stuff, not like supernatural, but I could be wrong because I just sort of tangentially pick up things on the internet.
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Interesting.
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I mean, I've never read a uh serial killer romantic, but that does not mean it's not out there.
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Yeah, I know there definitely is one.
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Yeah.
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That's what I stumbled across.
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Oh wow.
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So what comes to my mind is a book that I read last year, I think, Alchemized.
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Conjunct, have you read Alchemized?
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I haven't.
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I'm writing it on my list though.
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So ridiculously good, everybody, but so many content warnings for all the things.
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Ah, okay.
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I um I don't ever know what a book is about when I get it.
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And so I had no idea when I got this book from the library that it was actually it started as fanfic, which there's so much great romanticity that starts as fanfic.
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Um, the fanfic people might know is Manicold.
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And I do think Manicold did really well, especially in sort of like the dark fantasy world.
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Um, it is a uh well, I won't go, I won't, I won't explain it all, but um, because it was so popular, it ended up being becoming published as you know, I don't want to say a real book, but an off-the-internet book published by a publisher company, and it's like 900 pages, and I spent all day one weekend just sucked into this world.
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It was so good and so horrifying.
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Talk about dark, it was horrifying, and I don't do horror, but I was really sucked in and I don't regret it.
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So take take that with uh some content warnings.
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But um, thank you.
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I like getting sucked in, but I'll I'll double check the content warnings.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean like for everything, yeah.
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Yeah, I'm usually the category of book where it's like they held hands and then fade to dark.
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Yeah, this is actually throne of glass, a little more than Avatar.
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Oh, yes, like they both have their different Yes, I gotcha.
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Oh, I'm so glad this is coming out the same week as Avatar.
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That was that's a happy accident.
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So maybe listening right now who's maybe people have delayed this because they're reading Aquatar.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah, reading it at midnight.
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Exactly.
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For people who are not as plugged into books and stuff.
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I don't know if you said before that that is a gourd of thorns thorns and roses, yes.
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Yes, exactly.
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For anybody, it's a very popular fantasy series, and um I kind of used that one, a lot of Sarah J.
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Mouse's work, uh to pull different themes or things that like you may pick up, like this character is really good at this, or this series focuses on energy work.
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This series has someone who can speak to animals.
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So we're gonna do falconry, we're gonna do Reiki.
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Um gosh, there's a lot of like, I don't want to give it all away, but like it's all themed.
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Um so you feel the hope is that you feel like you're in one of the books and you're okay.
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Oh my gosh, uh photo shoot uh with a professional photographer in front of like Castle y grounds.
00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:23.359
So lots of fun, kind of nerdy, witchy stuff.
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Oh my gosh, that is amazing.
00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:31.200
Well, at the end, you'll definitely have to tell people how to sign up for that retreat because again, everybody's just rereading Aquatar right now.
00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:38.960
I actually just uh read this morning that all of the Akatar and the Throne of Glass books have jumped to the top of the bestseller lists again as people prepare.
00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:43.279
Yeah, yeah, as people prepare for the new books to come out.
00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:44.960
That's awesome.
00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:46.559
Pretty cool.
00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:50.960
Well, we could keep going that route, but you know, we're gonna wander on back.
00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:56.319
So to use Kanjana's uh the name of one of her businesses, Wander Home, we're gonna wander on back home now.
00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:57.680
And we're gonna ask you.
00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:03.680
Well, it's come, it's certainly come up already, but what does it mean to you, Kanjana, to be a witchy therapist?
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Yeah, I feel like when I first heard that, it felt really narrow.
00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:18.640
But what it means to be now feels like it's not one aesthetic, you know, and it's not like a claim to have secret answers or anything.
00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:36.000
It's more like permission to be a whole person, like all those different layers of the self and have room for symbolism, ritual, pieces of ancestral healing that maybe were forgotten or maybe your therapist doesn't know about because you have a different background.
00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:42.079
Um, mystery, creativity, uh, any kind of way really to make meaning.
00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:49.440
And I think it can really vary therapist to therapist, or even like clients coming in wanting to see a witchy therapist.
00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:57.920
We may have completely different backgrounds, which I think is cool because you know you're coming into a non-job, non non-judgmental, there we go, space.
00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:09.359
Um, and that creates an element of safety, and then you don't feel like you have to hide this part of yourself instead of being like your whole self in therapy, which like we kind of need all of you.
00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:30.799
Um for me, that's kind of what it is, these practices and interventions that might be dismissed by mainstream therapy or training, um where like the thing that comes up is ethics, or like where's the evidence, or uh, you know, there is a lot of evidence behind it.
00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:33.680
It's just yeah, using ancestral names.
00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:43.039
And some of the things we do in Western psychotherapy are exactly the same as those practices with a non-witchy or non-cultural name.
00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:43.359
Yeah.
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And those things are accepted.
00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:51.680
So I think it is part of our like cultural competency to start to open up to include these processes.
00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:54.319
What a beautiful framing.
00:19:54.480 --> 00:20:01.119
I've actually never heard anybody say that, that it's part of cultural competency to open up to those practices.
00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:09.759
And before you shared that, I also really loved the layered aspect that you were talking about, and you know, this being your whole self and all of the layers that that includes.
00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:12.000
And I do feel like you really embody that.
00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:22.960
You are somebody who is, you know, your whole self and what you offer to the world includes so many layers, whether it's about falconry or romantic or somatic work or anything else.
00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:24.400
I mean, what you see is what you get.
00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:25.519
I'm pretty transparent.
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So, like if you ask me a thing, you're gonna hear the answer to it.
00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:34.480
And I even texted charity this morning, was like, I'm a little anxious because daycare is closed and I have a three-year-old.
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And she was so kind.
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She was like, it doesn't matter, we don't care.
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Like, tell your anxious parts it's fine.
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And I was like, Oh, yes, this is great.
00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:46.400
Like, look at us being so real and like this doesn't have to be stressful, you know.
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We get some curveballs and we're going with the flow.
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That's right.
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And we if she appears, we so welcome her to be here.
00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:56.799
As well as all the all the anxious parts too.
00:20:57.359 --> 00:20:58.319
Yes, of course.
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Yeah, they feel so much better after that text.
00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:02.079
So we're good.
00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:03.759
Yeah.
00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:09.519
And if we're showing up as old people, I think that that makes clients feel more comfortable to do that too.
00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:25.599
I've talked in our quantum healing hypnosis technique episodes about when I did a past life regression, I was seeing a therapist and I was afraid to talk about my experience with her, even though I needed to process it because I thought this was gonna think about us.
00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:27.440
Yeah.
00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:29.119
Yeah, absolutely.
00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:32.960
It's that, you know, neuroception that our nervous systems do.
00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:46.240
We can tell if somebody is actually not judging us or welcoming all parts of us or whatever it is, or if they are secretly judging us because they're also judging that within themselves.
00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:50.799
Yeah, well, I think in that case it was probably more me judging that in myself.
00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:57.920
She was pretty open when I finally talked about it and was like, EMDR to process past life stuff.
00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:06.640
But it just Yeah, I think it took me being like okay, I can be can be weird, what I'm all weird.
00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:10.640
I love that you brought that up though, because that's exactly what Kanjana was just saying.
00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:23.599
Like, and I know so this episode, okay, by the time this episode airs with that they're we're doing right now, the episode about my QHT experience with Stacy will have aired and people will have heard me compare it to EMDR.
00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:29.279
And what you were, yeah, and what you were saying, Kanjana, with you know, we we call things one thing.
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Like here's this Western evidence-based protocol EMDR, or here's this hypnosis past life regression technique.
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But honestly, my embodied experience of them, they were pretty similar to each other.
00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:44.000
That's really cool and interesting.
00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:45.440
I'm excited to listen to that.
00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:46.799
It was super cool.
00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:47.839
Super, super cool.
00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:49.599
Thank you again to Stacey.
00:22:51.519 --> 00:23:02.799
I feel like that sort of brings us to one of our questions was how do you decide what to what practices to bring into the therapy?
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:04.960
Yeah.
00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:09.200
Um, I think the number one thing always is consent, right?
00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:16.640
So, like, am I just super excited about this practice and I'm gung-ho, or like, do they actually want this?
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Do they understand it?
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.720
Um is it clear that they can change their mind at any time?
00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:26.559
Like we could be in the middle and they could say, just cannon, I'm out.
00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:33.839
Um, you know, just making sure they know what are the guidelines and what are the boundaries of this and that they have permission at any point.
00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.359
Uh, I think competency is a piece of it.
00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:43.680
So there's some things I really love that I would not say I'm trained in bringing into a clinical space.
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:48.799
Uh I might bring them in in a different way with the client leading rather than me.
00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:50.720
So I don't have a background in tarot.
00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:51.839
I think it's super cool.
00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:53.599
I've been to a handful of trainings.
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I don't feel like that's enough for me to bring that into session.
00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:01.680
But sometimes a client wants to draw a card at the start and they want to interpret it.
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:02.880
Totally fine.
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:04.480
They're making their own meaning.
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.400
I'm not doing any of that.
00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:09.599
I'm just sitting there through that process.
00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:19.839
Uh, and you know, maybe offering some processing and things like that, some reflection, but I'm not explaining what the cards mean to them because that's not something I'm confident in.
00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.880
It's cool, maybe one day, but not today.
00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.680
Among all the other things that you're doing, yes.
00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:27.119
Yeah, exactly.
00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:28.480
Like I like a lot of other things.
00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:29.839
So, you know, you have to pick.
00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:30.559
You do.
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That's what you do.
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:32.799
I know.
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:35.759
I struggle with picking because I like all of them.
00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:36.480
They're all cool.
00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:36.799
Yeah.
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:43.279
Um, I think another piece is really honoring the heritage of the practice.
00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:53.119
Um, so rather than appropriating, like acknowledging to say, like, this is where it came from, this is how I know about it, here's the lineage.
00:24:53.359 --> 00:25:06.880
Um, so it doesn't feel like we're extracting or whitewashing practices, which can be especially triggering for clients of color when they're in a space with a white therapist who then gives them back their culture with you know stripped down.
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:13.920
And if you're real brave, you can be call your therapist in on that, but it's really hard in that dynamic.
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:15.599
So hard, exactly.
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:19.200
And like no one's intending harm with that, right?
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:24.559
It's just a like I didn't realize, uh, but the the impact is still harmful.
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.599
So I think that's a big piece to remember.
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:32.640
And then I think really, where is my client right here, right now?
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:35.279
So, like, what's the context of their nervous system?
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:39.519
Is it appropriate for us to engage with whatever this practice is?
00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:46.559
Um, how is it gonna what's our best guess as to how it may impact them from our previous work?
00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:54.079
And you know, hopefully we're not diving into something really intense if we haven't gotten a feel for what their nervous system is like.
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:58.079
Yes, yes, those are all such important considerations.
00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.880
And the very first one that you said, I was like, oh yeah, I've definitely been there.
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:06.640
The I'm so excited about something, some new, you know, technique or training or information.
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:15.519
And not always, I've you know, there have been times that I've put that out there to somebody out of my own excitement and not out of their need for that.
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.880
So I think every everything you just shared is important.
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:36.480
And the consent piece too is maybe the charity about you talking about the first time you had Reiki and how you didn't feel comfortable with the way you were playing and you didn't know if she was gonna touch you or not, and she wasn't telling you where she was in the room, so it wasn't trauma informed.
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.039
Right, right, absolutely.
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:56.799
It's it's always fascinating to me how every conversation we have with every therapist or healer on this podcast, whatever it means to them to be witchy, which ever it's been something different for everybody, that really being trauma-informed is the heart of it, is what it what it all comes back to.
00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:58.720
I think that makes a lot of sense.
00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:01.599
You don't want to f around and find out with this kind of work.
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:03.440
Yeah, exactly.
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:04.480
Exactly.
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:15.599
Well, we we are we're gonna do something um maybe a little bit different, which is use actually your upcoming um training, the somatic sampler, to kind of talk through some of this in a really practical way.
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:22.559
And so um, because it's such a great um sort of living embodiment of everything that we're talking about.
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:37.920
And so just to kind of set the stage for this, if you could tell our listeners about what is the somatic sampler, because it is actually something that they could attend if they would like to, there is a virtual component that people could attend from anywhere, or of course they could come to Pennsylvania and join us, which would be so cool.
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:49.359
Um, but also if people are like, oh, I don't need any CEs or I don't feel like doing that, I think they can learn a lot as we talk through just this vision that you had, which is so creative, like everything that you do.
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:57.119
Um so first of all, so we're gonna we're gonna talk through some things using that as the example, but first of all, can you tell us what the somatic sampler is in its two iterations?
00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:58.240
Yes, yeah.
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:00.079
So it's like a part one and part two.
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:04.880
And the idea is that you get to sample a lot of different somatic modalities.
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:09.839
Uh, I love topas, you know, so it's like that, but for therapy, right?
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:15.759
So just like I said, I love learning and kind of have a problem not signing up for every cool workshop I see.
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:19.599
Part of the challenge of that is figuring out what am I training in neck.
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:25.279
So you get to see them rather than read a description on a page like a website or a textbook.
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:31.839
I feel like that does not give me an idea of what is my day-to-day life gonna look like if I study this and bring it into my work.
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:35.599
Like, what is it actually gonna look like being a fly on the wall for the session?
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:38.400
And what is it gonna feel like in my nervous system every day?
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:42.000
Because I love bringing yoga and meditation into session.
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:47.119
Uh, so I love to bring yoga therapy into session because it's so helpful for me personally.
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:56.079
Obviously, it's really helpful for my clients, but that's a big piece of why it's uh the main focus of my practice is I'm constantly moving my body.
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:01.119
I'm constantly practicing Reiki, I'm meditating in most sessions.
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:05.680
And that's taking care of me, which helps me to better care for my clients.
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:10.559
Uh, so you know, that made a lot of sense to me when I lived it.
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.799
But when I read about it on paper, I wasn't sure if it was the right one.
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:33.039
So that's the idea of the somatic sampler, is it lets you have a little taste of each one so you can figure out what feels right for your nervous system, what blends well with your current modalities, and what makes sense for your practice so it's sustainable and you're not burning out doing things that drain you, right?
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:40.319
Like I'm doing things that fill me up, so I feel pretty good at the end of the session, which is nice.
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:48.480
Um, I think all the time, like, and I know there's so there's so much wrong in our field, of course, and there's so much that we could talk about systemically that's an issue.
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:54.079
But at the end of the day, I just feel so lucky that the work I do is good for me too.
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:57.759
And, you know, so I do incorporate yoga into into my therapy.
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:15.359
Stacy incorporates Reiki into hers, like whatever it is, um, that even if it's, you know, not something that people might consider witchy, like if it's mindfulness or um breath, you know, whatever it is that we are so lucky that we get to do these practices in our job.
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:17.599
And like you said, hopefully end the day.
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:28.480
Yes, of course, there's so much burnout in the field and there's so much that it can take from us, but hopefully, if we're actually getting to practice these in session, then then we're not ending the day in total depletion.
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:38.559
And I think it's such an awesome idea to let therapists sample these because you know, here we are talking about all the cool CEs that there are in the world, all the amazing options.
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:39.759
How do we choose?
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:49.200
Well, going to something like this and experiencing a little bit of everything, your little topas buffet of all of the different modalities because there's 11 modalities, right?
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.559
That you're gonna be and actually more with the breakout sessions.
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:57.599
So actually, if you included the breakout sessions, it's probably like 17 or 18.
00:30:57.920 --> 00:30:58.240
Yeah.
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:01.920
I know, I know.
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:04.720
So tell people about the two options.
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:06.079
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.640
So I definitely wanted it to feel accessible.
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:17.359
So if people don't want to come to Pennsylvania where you know I am and some of the speakers are too, uh, they have the option to do something virtual.
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:33.519
So part one is uh a panel, and there will be 11 speakers, and we'll have one case study, and then each person will kind of go down the line, rapid fire, no death by PowerPoint, explaining this is how my modality would approach this case.
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:41.119
And because I love a good double dip, just like the, you know, your everyday life stuff being your rituals, right?
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.759
So the double dip is that the case study is a burnt-out therapist.
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:55.680
So you can also maybe get some ideas for your own self-care or something that I struggled with was figuring out what type of therapy is right for me.
00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:01.440
Like, do I want to try EMDR, IFS, like as a client.
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:07.200
So hopefully this would be helpful in more than one way, both personally and professionally.
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:19.279
And then the in-person is each speaker, instead of just having 15, 20 minutes, is gonna have 90 minutes, an hour to 90 minutes to dive deep into their session.
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:25.440
And then we have breakout rooms to choose from, and charity's doing one of those that I'm really excited for.
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.079
Uh, and a lot of really, I think, witchy or witchy adjacent topics.
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:41.359
We have ecotherapy, trauma-informed shamanism, ancestral healing and family systems, uh, hypnosis and past life regression, brain spotting.
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:42.319
It's a long list.
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:43.920
I'm gonna say like 16 things.
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:54.960
But that's actually one of the presenters, which I did not know, Kanjana, until we got on a call a few weeks ago in preparation for the the training was Jodi Silverman, who we interviewed on the podcast.
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.599
When we're talking to you, Kanjana, that episode just aired this week.
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:06.640
Um so for our listeners, it will have been a couple months ago, but um it uh it she's gonna be presenting on Reiki.
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:11.200
And Stacey and I loved her approach to Reiki that she shared with us on the podcast.
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:14.319
Yeah, and she's also gonna be doing some CEs too.
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:18.799
So hopefully we'll we'll get some of those available um on demand.
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:20.559
Oh, that's so great.
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:26.640
Curious for myself, but I I saw you and also I saw you taking those now.
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:30.240
Is the virtual panel happening beforehand?
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.400
So then if people wanted to come to Pennsylvania, they could exactly.
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:44.960
Yeah, so that way you get to see not all of the presenters, but a good chunk, and you'll have an idea of like, oh, I really want to hear more from this person or a couple people.
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:55.519
And I've seen most of these folks speak, and like some of the talks, I was, you know, just going to a conference to have fun and hang out with other therapists, and I'm like, that just like blew my mind.
00:33:55.759 --> 00:34:01.039
So I'm so psyched, like learning EMDR through rhythm, like that's gonna be really cool.
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.839
Polyvagel theory through sound healing.
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.119
Uh, it's it's gonna be some witchy stuff.
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:13.039
It is, you know, I know it's called the somatic sampler, but honestly, it's a it's like the witchy therapy sampler.
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:14.000
It really, really is.
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:18.480
And there's also very, you know, EMDR and brain spotting are both on the docket.
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:21.360
Um, human design, which I'm super excited for.
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:22.800
Um, so many.
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:23.519
Yeah.
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:29.199
And what's really cool is like each of these speakers has built a practice around this modality.
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:33.920
And you'll see how they've kind of made it their own and blended it with other things at the summit.
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:40.159
So you can really get a feel for not being stuck in a rigid model and how that can look.
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.840
Uh, and they all have successful careers based around that.
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.039
So that I feel like is a nice confidence booster for me.
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:54.320
Studying something new is like I can actually see what it looks like if it works out, and you know, I decide to pursue this long term.
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:58.159
Here's what my career might look like, or one way it could look.
00:34:58.480 --> 00:34:58.719
Yeah.
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:03.280
Katie May is presenting on somatic DBT and what a cool blend.
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:05.599
You know, like we're all familiar, of course, with Debbie Church.
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:06.719
Yeah, I know.
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.119
And talk about somebody who's built a career around something.
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:15.440
Katie has a uh pretty extensive publishing, speaking career around her DBT practice.
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:34.559
So I think that's that's just so cool, Kantana, that again, you're offering people the opportunity to taste all these different kinds of somatic or witchy or whatever practices, to experience in the case study, oh, if if this is me, if I'm the burnt out therapist, which of course we all are at some point, um, how would this look for me?
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:40.880
Maybe it helps me choose a therapist, but also what it would look like for me to get trained in any of those modalities.
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:50.719
And then to see firsthand from some people who are wildly successful in their career, what could it look like to shape a practice around those modalities?
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.719
It's just such a cool offering.
00:35:53.039 --> 00:36:02.639
And I hope that the culture of this also kind of permeates, especially with younger clinicians, that the idea is that there's so many paths to healing.
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:04.719
One is not better than the other.
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:15.760
It's what's a better fit for me as a clinician, what's a better fit for my clients that I, you know, work with, uh, and what feels good in my nervous system that I can actually continue to do it.
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.960
Because did CBT for a long time, not for me.
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:30.079
I did uh play therapy for a long time, hospice, loved them both, and I now have found something that I'm not gonna hit burnout again because I'm taking care of myself better.
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.119
Yes, you know, as a part of my practice.
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:33.760
Yes.
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:42.159
And I also love how at the in-person conference you're giving us the opportunities to also experience a lot of those outside of the CE session.
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.280
So I I think the conference is like Thursday to Sunday.
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:57.199
And every day, multiple times a day, there are offerings of maybe I'll let you tell us about that, but like there's an opening offering, there's so many different beautiful ways to hold space and embodiment.
00:36:57.760 --> 00:36:59.519
Yeah, I'm so excited for that.
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:03.199
And a lot of the speakers are offering practitioner sessions.
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:17.360
So if you want to try a one-on-one and get to do some sound healing or, you know, some breath work or find out more about your human design and what it means to you, you can sign up with them for a private or small group.
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:22.960
Um, and then some of the like, I love little details and making something an experience.
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.280
Um, like I love immersion.
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:29.039
So Thursday night, we're gonna start with Kirtan and it's optional.
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.480
You don't have to participate, but it's call and response.
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.159
So we'll bring in the local community because we're at an ashram.
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:43.599
So it's a way for us to kind of join together with them, thank them for having us in their space and all come together and practice.
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.639
And they'll lead us if any of us feel a little nervous.
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:49.679
They're very used to practicing Kirtan together.
00:37:49.920 --> 00:38:03.519
So I think that'll be a nice community building opener, you know, and I'll have some neurodivergent friendly things there because I can't do loud spaces, bright lights, and like lots of movement.
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:05.199
And I know I'm not the only one.
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:09.840
So I'll have earplugs for everyone, some fidgets and like a social battery pin.
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:14.159
So if you're like, I want to be here, but don't talk to me or look at me, just move it over.
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.079
We got you.
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:21.840
I just think you just have those in life, like social battery pin.
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:27.280
Yeah, I I literally have it in my purse so I can like take it out and put it on my coat if I need it.
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:28.639
That's amazing.
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.280
Well, I have earplugs, loops.
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:45.039
I'm sure most neurodivergent people are familiar with loops, and you know, I carry the loops, um, conversation or whatever they're called, so that you can still hear what's going on around you in my bag at all times because you just never know.
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:46.000
Yes.
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:46.400
Yeah.
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:52.719
And the same way I have the flares because they're a little softer and loop was too hard for my sensory sensitivities.
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:54.480
Oh, yeah.
00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:13.119
Well, and what a perfect example, even that is, like talking about different, you know, aids to be, you know, supporting our nervous systems and our bodies through this life of again what it means to be a witchy therapist, whether it's the trainings that we choose to attend, whether it's the aids that we choose to use through life.
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:14.800
Oh, Kantana's showing us her.
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:16.480
I love it.
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:17.840
That's so cute.
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:22.960
We'll put a picture on um on Instagram if people aren't watching on YouTube.
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:24.800
But it's a little slidey pin.
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:26.239
It's so cute with weird.
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:32.400
I want to make like a nerdy gamer version that's like health points and man points, magic points.
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.039
So chronic illness baddies.
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:39.360
So I could be like physical, like I'm not doing so great, but I could talk to you.
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:40.239
Yes.
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.440
Oh my gosh, that would be so perfect.
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:50.079
Uh well, I wonder for our listeners right now, because we like to, you know, just offer a moment of reflection.
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.320
And, you know, maybe people are reflecting and being like, oh, I want to either join virtually.
00:39:54.480 --> 00:40:00.400
We'll tell you at the end how you could do that, or I think I want to go to Pennsylvania and and spend some time with Kanjana and Charity.
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:07.519
And honestly, I see Stacy's face, so maybe Stacy too in the Poconos at the ashram in January.
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:14.559
But I have wanted to go to every single thing every one of our guests has offered because it's all so cool.
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.000
But I mean, we have been talking about getting me back to Pennsylvania.
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:19.599
Well, I know, I know.
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:24.320
And and I feel like this is a good place to talk about your podcast too.
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:31.119
Uh, and we are doing like a scholastic book fair type night, uh, but nerdy and for therapists.
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:35.039
So, like some of the therapists are authors, so they'll have their books.
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:35.519
Yeah.
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:42.159
Some, you know, people who might have like a podcast or consulting, like we'll have a couple tables out.
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:49.360
Uh, so it'll be a good way to kind of, if you want to socialize, get to check out some of those resources.
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:57.280
Our listeners may want to, because maybe they're thinking, oh yeah, I'd like to come to the conference, but maybe they're thinking that's not something that they would like to do or able to do or whatever it might be.
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.480
But what is the at-home version of this?
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.719
So just for our listeners to take a moment and think like, what's the sampling that I need right now?
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:22.960
Is there something, maybe one of the things Kanjana just shared that you've been wanting to try for yourself or to do a little research about, or you know, just offering that moment for reflection for our listeners of what what what are the the witchy or somatic things that that you might want to invite into your life?
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:28.480
Maybe you've been curious about something that we've talked about on other podcasts or something that Kanjana mentioned today.
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:31.360
That's all I wanted to offer.
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:32.719
Yeah.
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:52.719
And it's always nice if you don't have access to, I mean, obviously, probably anybody can come to the virtual panel, but you know, if they can't come to a somatic sampler training like this, you know, and they're like, hey, I really am interested in psychotherapeutic reiki, you know, find somebody in your area, you know, do it as a client.
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:58.400
That's always, I think, the first step of figuring out like, is this something that I might want to incorporate?
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:00.000
I totally agree.
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:10.719
When people come to me for consultation about starting an intensive practice, I always let them know that was my first step was going to a multi-day intensive because I felt like it was so important.
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.039
You know, I was hearing, wow, five consecutive days of trauma therapy.
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.760
Like, that sounds life-changing, but like could I actually do that?
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:18.960
Could my body do that?
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:20.159
Could my nervous system do that?
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:21.039
Could my parts do that?
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:29.280
And it turned out the answer was definitely yes, and I loved it, and it was transformative, but I needed to experience that, I felt like before I could start offering it.
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:30.320
That makes sense.
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:33.039
There's a lot of uncertainty until you you live it, right?
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:34.000
You feel it.
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:35.440
Yes, exactly.
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.480
Which is why the somatic sampler is so cool.
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:39.440
Yeah.
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:44.719
My hope is to solve a problem that I was having, which is like signing up for everything ever.
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.840
And I just don't have that kind of time or money.
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:49.119
Yes.
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:50.239
Exactly.
00:42:50.480 --> 00:43:03.920
Um that's the problem is that like all the trainings do sound cool, and all of them probably do help clients, and they would probably all be fun things to do, but we just can't do it all, unfortunately.
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:16.800
But I really love the framework that you offered at the beginning, Kantana, that you know, so so if you're a therapist or a healer of any kind listening right now, thinking, like, yeah, how would I choose whether or not you're planning to go to the somatic sampler?
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:21.440
The framework of, well, what is most supportive for my nervous system?
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:30.639
Because if I'm gonna do this full time, if I'm gonna spend hours a day doing this modality, which ones would actually really support me the most?
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:42.639
And hopefully each person can really discover that for themselves because I think it's so incredibly freeing when we are able to engage in work that that supports our bodies and our nervous systems too.
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:43.679
Yeah.
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:59.840
And I think that's um, you know, one of the the biggest things I get coaching calls about is people feeling burnt out and needing to figure out what to change to feel excited and passionate about their work again and you know, not feel like they're on edge all the time.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:00.320
Time.
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:01.920
Exactly.
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:02.880
Exactly.
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:14.480
Well, that starts to bring us actually towards, you know, ways people can connect with you and your offerings, but I want to check first because we want you to be able to share how people could come to the Sematic Samsung or either version if they wanted.
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:15.920
We want you to be able to share about your other offerings.
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.280
But was there anything else that we wanted to talk about?
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:29.199
We did skip ahead on the questions a little bit and how did you decide whether to bring the practices into the therapy rooms?
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:36.800
There was a question about when did you start bringing spiritual, intuitive, and holistic practices, if we want to go back to that.
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:37.760
Sure.
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.480
Yeah, I'm happy to talk about when I started.
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:48.880
Um, I really kept my spiritual practices in my personal life, and that was very separate from my professional life.
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:53.679
Um my spiritual journey started actually back in college.
00:44:53.840 --> 00:45:00.400
I did a study abroad in Japan and I lived at a Rinzai Sen temple for a couple months.
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:07.119
Uh, went back a couple more times, did the silent weeks, shaved my head, did the whole thing, and really committed to it.
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:10.800
Uh and I was just doing it because my friends were doing it.
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:14.559
I hadn't like just, you know, it wasn't something I was super excited about.
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.280
It just seemed better than working at a ski lodge.
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.639
And so I signed up for this and it ended up changing my life.
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:41.360
I learned Reiki there, um, came back to the States, had a hard time, and had to go live in Costa Rica for a little while as I kind of had a reverse culture shock, uh, came back and really spent a lot of time in my personal practice through yoga, dance.
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:49.679
Um gosh, all these different, I had this group in college where people would come, I don't know why, in college at 5 a.m.
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:59.280
to my dorm, and we would take turns leading practices, spiritual practices to get to experience each other's uh what we had to offer, right?
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:02.159
Our backgrounds and get to try new things and talk about it.
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.920
And this is some of my friends from Japan who also went to the temple.
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:07.199
So we had some overlap.
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:09.119
Like one day we we made bread.
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:12.159
We did the mindfulness of needing bread.
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:14.400
At 5 a.m.
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:15.760
I mean, that is commitment.
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:16.320
Right.
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:17.360
I'm annoying.
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:24.480
Yeah, I was like, I can't believe we actually did that.
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:27.519
Um, so that's kind of how it started personally.
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:39.519
And I remember I gave a talk in grad school, I went to UPenn, and like everybody was like, oh honey, like afterwards, because I was talking about bringing yoga and Reiki into session, and they were like, Yeah, in one million years.
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:46.400
And then, you know, 15 years later, I just gave a talk on a national stage about incorporating Reiki into session.
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.719
So I feel like came full circle a little bit.
00:46:51.039 --> 00:47:05.039
And it was through hospice and then being at a different group practice that was focused on kids and play therapy that I really felt like both of those settings allowed me to feel more comfortable bringing in yoga.
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:12.480
At first, it was like sneak my mat in under my sweater because they're like, that's weird, bringing a yoga mat to a pediatrician's office.
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:14.320
Uh, because you know, this is like 10 years ago.
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:16.880
People thought it was weird, weirder than they do now.
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:23.760
Uh so that's kind of how it started for me was I was like, why am I why are these separate?
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:29.679
I had a client that I knew yoga could help, and I was like, why am I not bringing it in?
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:30.880
Because I don't know how.
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:33.599
And so let me go figure out how.
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:39.360
And that's how I found out yoga therapy was a thing that I didn't make up, but like an actual field.
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:41.360
And I pursued it.
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:47.360
So that's kind of what brought it, you know, that was the start of it for me.
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:57.679
It was a two separate paths that finally I had that aha moment of like, I don't feel good that they're separate and learned how to blend them.
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.800
I feel like hospice too, the boundaries are so different.
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:10.960
You know, I went from only having done mental health to after grad school um going to work in hospice.
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:18.159
And my very first day shadowing the chaplain, uh somebody was like, Can I give you a hug?
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:25.119
And I was like, Oh, this is gonna be really different than mental health in a hospital setting.
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:34.880
But I think that's good, you know, because it helps sort of bring some of those barriers down and say, you know, like, how do how do we look at mental health holistically?
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:41.440
And you know, not maybe up on that pedestal, like, I Freud, I know.
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:48.320
Yeah, and like when people are dying, there is so much more wiggle room because it's like I just want them to have relief.
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:53.679
Go ahead and do the weird energy thing, like do whatever if they're on board, go for it.
00:48:53.920 --> 00:49:00.719
And there's that permission, you know, as a clinician that like even if they think what I'm doing is strange, they're open to it.
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:03.840
Yeah, which yeah, I didn't always get in other settings.
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.079
I had to do a little more convincing.
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:07.679
Yeah.
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:14.239
You know, it's funny, it actually does just make me think of how, you know, every person listening has been on some kind of journey.
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:15.760
And like we can never guess each other.
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:22.559
It's like, I had no idea, Kanana, about your experience in Japan with shaving your head and you know, making bread at 5 a.m.
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:23.599
in college.
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:30.960
Um, but every every listener has been on some kind of journey that has brought them to the place they are today that they are listening to this podcast.
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:34.639
And of course, we always hope that this podcast is like helping people along on their journey.
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:47.199
And then I think things like the Sematic Sampler too are, you know, it can easily be the next step in somebody's journey, the thing that they didn't know they needed, you know, the the discovery that they didn't realize was waiting right around the bend.
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:52.480
Yeah, that's really what I'm hoping for is to help folk connect folks to their next step.
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.599
So it it feels good to them as they're moving forward.
00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:03.519
And we need clinicians doing this work, and that means we need to make sure it's sustainable for them, those of us who are training folks in this kind of work.
00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:07.440
Yes, like self-care needs it's a it's an ethical piece, right?
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.400
Like we have to, it's non-negotiable.
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:12.239
That's a hundred percent right.
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:12.880
Yeah.
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:17.840
So tell us about how people can um how they can connect.
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:34.960
When is the virtual uh the virtual one is September 23rd, and then we're gonna do seven days of recording access so that if folks for some reason last minute can't make it or they're not available that day, but they know they want to watch it later, you can still sign up and then you'll have access to that.
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:41.760
Um so September 23rd is the Somatic Sampler virtual, and people have a week access to that.
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:47.760
Um so whenever you're hearing this, if it's on Instagram or if you're listening to the podcast, it's not too late when you're hearing us say this.
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:49.840
Go sign up for the somatic sampler.
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:51.599
Um, and then uh the virtual one.
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.960
And then if people wanted to come to Pennsylvania, that's in January.
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:58.000
Yeah, yeah, January 14th through 17th.
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:02.000
So four days, it's hundreds of acres of land.
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:08.960
There's trails with waterfalls, it's when you drive onto property, you feel the energy shift.
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:10.639
Um, it's one of my favorite places.
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:15.440
I lead retreats there every year, and it it is an ashram, so it's a different experience.
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.760
Um, but I really love it.
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.719
It's gonna be beautiful.
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:24.159
And what are the other ways people can connect with you?
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:32.159
So you've mentioned coaching, of course, you've mentioned therapy, you have a group practice, um, you have your international retreats.
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:36.320
Yeah, so I also have ADHD if you haven't figured it out.
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:41.199
And the talk I'm doing in Seattle is actually from passions to profits.
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:46.079
So, how to like take what gives you all your dopamine and and get some money from it.
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:49.199
You know, that's like my falconry CE.
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:51.039
Like that's really fun for me.
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.079
I mostly do things that are actually fun for me.
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:55.840
Like talking to you two is fun for me.
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.960
Yeah, I you know, that's how I like to spend my time.
00:51:59.280 --> 00:51:59.679
Exactly.
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:01.760
I'm such a believer in that as well.
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:02.159
Yeah.
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:24.400
And so people can find me um on social media, and that's usually the first place I announce, hey, I'm doing this wild thing, like a falconry CE, or let's go swim with wild dolphins in the Bahamas and get 20 CEs and become certified in nervous system literacy, like stuff that I think is fun, that hopefully there's some other nerdy therapists out there who also think it's fun.
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:32.000
And it's all very neurodivergent friendly because my brain cannot like sit in front of a PowerPoint for seven or eight hours.
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:37.679
So, yeah, wanderhome.tlc is the handle for Instagram and TikTok.
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:49.840
And that's usually first place I post my unique CEs, whether it's online and more accessible in terms of pricing, all the way up to like international and a little more luxury.
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:55.679
Uh, and there's stuff in between because I think it's really important that everyone have access to this information.
00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:58.559
And also, I would like to go fly a falcon.
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:00.079
And that's not free.
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:02.800
It's a range.
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:04.480
Yes, yes.
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:11.199
And then you have coming up the, it's not, I don't think live yet, but you'll have the um the on-demand courses.
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:12.320
Yes, yeah.
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:12.880
Mm-hmm.
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:14.159
And there's already some there.
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:17.039
There's yoga for mental health, which is 20 CEs.
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:24.480
There's a 20 CE mindfulness and meditation based on positive psychology, and there's some Reiki and energy work in that one.
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:27.519
It's actually 30 hours, but only 20 CEs.
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.719
Um, and that was the one I submitted to ASWB.
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:35.280
So I it was my most sticky, like they might have a problem with kind of course.
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:38.480
And now it's been very thoroughly looked at.
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:43.119
So um forget to offer 20 CEs for meditation.
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.199
So I'm really excited about that.
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:47.679
Um, and there's some short ones too.
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:48.159
Yeah.
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:54.719
That also makes me think of though, that you know, for people listening, maybe who are like, wow, I would like to turn my passion into profit.
00:53:54.800 --> 00:54:02.800
I would like to make a course that's actually part of this offering that you have a piece of it where you will help walk people through developing a CE program.
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:05.039
Yeah, because I'm a social worker.
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:10.000
So like it's really expensive to offer CEs as a provider.
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:14.000
So if we can cost share that, then we can also share the benefits.
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:19.280
So I just take a percentage that I feel is fair, we discuss it, and there's a six-month agreement.
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:21.199
And then there's kind of three levels.
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:29.199
You do your own thing, and I just provide the CEs and double check that what you're doing is uh CE, you know, KED could be approved.
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:39.280
And then there's versions where I offer a little more support, where I'm doing editing, I'm helping to answer questions and put things together, and there's full-on handheld.
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:45.519
I walk you through the whole thing and we launch whether it's on demand or live.
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:46.559
Yeah.
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:54.639
So really just endless options, which is why I started by saying that you are my resource this week because you really are such a resource for therapists.
00:54:54.719 --> 00:55:13.760
And so, again, whether their entry point is following you on Instagram, um, or if it is uh working with you to develop their own CE course hosted on your platform, or if it's attending the CE sampler either or the Sematic Sampler virtual or the in-person event, or if it's going to Scotland with you for a romanticy retreat.
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:16.719
Yes, please make my dreams come true.
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:17.920
Let's make it happen.
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:18.639
Yeah.
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:19.440
Yes.
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:23.280
So many amazing resources.
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:28.400
Is there anything else, Kanchna, that you'd want our listeners to know about you or how to contact you?
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:39.119
Um yeah, I think just, you know, my website is wanderhomeretreats.newsemler.com, and it will eventually be just wanderhomeretreats.com.
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:42.400
But, you know, I'm in the middle of expanding it.
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:47.760
And I just want to take a moment to thank both of you for having me and having this conversation.
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:55.280
Because, you know, I think a lot of therapists are curious about this kind of work and also like there's a little bit of fear they want to do it thoughtfully.
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:03.519
And so that's like the whole heart of the somatic sampler is how can we start to bring this in more and have the confidence to do it well.
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:04.880
Exactly.
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:09.119
Oh, well, we're so appreciative that you're out there doing all that work, Antana.
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.039
It's a lot of work, so yeah.
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:12.320
Thankfully, it's fun, right?
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:14.400
It's all the stuff I'm passionate about.
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:19.199
I'm never again giving a training on like differences between DSM four and five.
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:21.679
I once did like a two-day on that.
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:23.840
Why did I say yes to that?
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:25.360
That was a nightmare.
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:26.800
That sounds like a nightmare.
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:27.679
Oh my gosh.
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:28.559
Yeah.
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:30.719
For a bunch of lawyers.
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:32.960
So, like my jokes did not land.
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:34.639
Oh my goodness.
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.199
Like, sweat through my whole outfit.
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:39.920
It's a real, real nightmare.
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:40.880
Yeah.
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:44.719
But that's part of how I learned that it was not for me, right?
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:45.360
Exactly.
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:51.679
My ADHD breeding, like, I need that dopamine, I need that passion to like help me cross the finish line.
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:54.079
So made it work for me.
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:54.880
Yes.
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:55.920
Oh, perfect.
00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:57.840
As you were doing in so many areas.
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:08.000
And I hope our listeners are also taking that away, that it really is possible to find a way to do this work that's fulfilling and that's gentle for your own body and system.
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:09.679
And yeah, it really is possible.
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:14.159
We don't have to be stuck in in burnt out roles as therapists.
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:15.920
Yeah, definitely.
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:18.239
I hear Raya.
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:19.360
Do you want to say hi to her?
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:21.199
Come say hi, Raya.
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.239
Yeah, you're doing such a good job.
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:26.559
Come on over.
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:28.960
You gotta come over a little bit, okay?
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.159
I hear that you have matching hair.
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:32.960
Oh my goodness.
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:35.280
Look at that.
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:38.159
It's a rainbow.
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:41.440
Oh my goodness, it matches mommy's hair.
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:42.320
Right.
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:48.719
We went to tea this morning and she picked out all her jewelry and her hair, and mommy had to wear a dress.
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:50.000
So I missed it.
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:51.360
Oh my goodness.
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.519
That sounds like so much fun.
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:57.840
Yeah, it was a really great time, and she did such a good job letting us chat.
00:57:58.000 --> 00:57:58.960
Yeah, really good taste.
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:00.559
Yes, thank you so much.
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.159
But thank you for coming on too.
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:03.760
It's so nice to see you.
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:04.800
Yes.
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:08.320
She's a little shy.
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:09.920
Oh, I totally get it.
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:16.079
She does she was talking about energy work earlier because I told her that's what I was talking about today.
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:17.039
Oh, wow.
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:17.440
Right?
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:19.920
You do you give mommy some energy sometimes?
00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:21.199
Yeah.
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:23.840
Oh my goodness, that's so special.
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:24.719
Yeah.
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:28.159
Well, it was great to meet you, Raya.
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:30.320
And Kanjana, it was great to talk with you.
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:31.599
Yeah, thank you.
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:33.039
Thanks so much, both of you.
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:34.239
This was really fun.
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:35.280
Oh, it was.
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:36.800
And thank you to our listeners.
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:37.440
As always.
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:47.199
And as always, we're gonna ask if you would leave a rating or review for the podcast because it makes a difference and helps get this kind of really important information out in the world.
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:49.840
So we will look forward to seeing you all next week.
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:51.039
Thank you, man.
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:52.559
Bye.
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