Fourth Wing Chapter 17 - Part 2

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Welcome to The Wing Readers, where we deep dive
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into the Empyrean series, chapter by chapter,
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theorize and overanalyze. I'm Abbey. I'm John.
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And I'm editing Abby. And today we are covering
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the second half of fourth wing chapter 17. We
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get super deep into spoiler territory in this
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one. So a very applicable reminder that all published
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material is fair game. So please listen at your
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own risk. We recorded all of chapter 17 in one
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go. So no battle brief for you today. We are
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jumping right back into the chapter. Without
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further ado, take it away past us. Take me to
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flight school, Cassie. Yeah. Okay. We're in flight
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school. We get special flying leathers now, which
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are thicker and have no patches. And goggles.
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Besides rank. Yes, and they very smartly get
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goggles because I don't know if you've been in
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a boat or a convertible or some other open -topped
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vehicle at high speed. It doesn't even take that
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fast. Your eyes be watering. Motorcycles are
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the same. Yes. And that's why you wear a helmet
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with a shield on it. So here's where I said,
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okay, so there's no patches besides rank. So
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patches are for showing off to your other dragon
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scouts, not the enemy. Even though they cheat,
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well, I guess the rank wouldn't. The rank wouldn't,
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but you know what? Rank seems to be how many
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stars you have. How many you have. Yeah. Nobody
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else knows what skills you earned your patches
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for, but they can see how many are on your sash,
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okay? I will go so far as to also share, it does
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not sound like the weapons qualification patches
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change year by year. So if you have a crossbow
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patch, everyone, no matter what, knows that you
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are very capable with the crossbow. That's fair.
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Yeah, that makes sense. And yeah, you don't want
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to be... You want all of your fellow riders to
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be like, oh, look at me, but you don't want the
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enemy to know that. On the other hand, you're
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probably holding the crossbow and aiming it at
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the enemy, and I think that would be a pretty
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big clue as well. You make points. So there's
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patches, and there are also, quote, a lot of
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sheaths for weapons, but she may as well just
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say daggers because that's all they seem to use
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and all you can sheath on your own body. I mean,
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doesn't someone, like, pull out an axe at some
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point? People can use other weapons, but they're
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not, like, sheathed in your uniform. I feel like
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the idea of, like, small little hatchet axes,
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like, strapped to your body or, like, okay. I
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mean, at that point, it sounds like you're wearing
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a tool belt and not flying leathers. You say
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potato, I say potato. I bet people do plenty
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of custom modifications and make their sheaths
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work for their weapons. The ones who can sew,
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anyway. Okay, yes. Fair. Okay, so Violet tries
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really hard to pretend that she's at commercial
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pilot school and not military war pilot school,
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and that she has the scariest, most powerful
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jet. She notices everyone giving nervous glances
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at Tarn, and she doesn't blame him. She thinks
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to herself that his bared teeth would make her
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back away, too. To which Tarn is like, uh, no,
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you did face dragon teeth, and you stayed to
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defend Indarna instead, and that's why I chose
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you. Yep. She tries to deflect, ahem, dismiss,
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downplay, disregard. Yep. Is that right? Yes.
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Deflect is a good one too. But there was a lot
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going on at the time, okay? And oh hey, where
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is Ann Tarn anyway? Tarn points out that since
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she can't hold a rider, it would be silly for
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her to go to rider practice class. I think this
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is just a convenient excuse because she's a baby.
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Yeah. Which Violet is like, too bad because she's
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quieter and less meddlesome than you. Less curmudgeon
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-y. Yeah, absolutely. She's sassy in a very different
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way. She's got much more pep in her sass and
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much less curmudgeon. So Kaori is instructing
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the whole field using lesser magic as a megaphone
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for his voice. Quote, God help us when Ryback
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figures out how to do that. Because he'll only
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use it for nefarious purposes. Yep. And here
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I'm just thinking, like, random Riddick announcements
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over the PA system. Announcement! Announcement!
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I just took a dump. Or, like, doing, you know,
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did your guys' schools, like, middle and high
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school, have, like, the morning announcements
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where, like, a couple kids were in charge? Yes.
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And they just let the wildest things go on there
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sometimes. Yeah. And I'm picturing him being
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in charge of that now. Yeah. Except for there's
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no video. It's just the, yeah. Oh, we never had
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video. We were just... Yeah, we had TV screens.
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My middle school actually had a green screen.
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My school started doing video, but we only did
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video once a week because we only had homeroom
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once a week. We didn't have a homeroom class
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that was separate. We just had, like, whatever
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our first period was, like, was homeroom. Same.
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Yeah, and that's... For some reason, my school
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had this weird thing where on Thursdays, I think
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it was Thursdays, like... around lunchtime everybody
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went to their homeroom class and attendance was
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done and they played us class announcements and
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like it was supposed to be a here is your school
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admin announcement period of the week but it
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really wasn't the number of times that i spent
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the entire time of homeroom down at the coffee
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cart getting beverages we'd walk in look at our
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guy who was like the My homeroom teacher was
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the shop teacher and my friend and I would look
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at him and go, we're here. We're going to go
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get coffee. And he went, great. See you later.
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I think our announcements might've been actually
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in second period. Yeah. And this was like, they
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did like, that was, I remember we had video announcements
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for that one, but then every other day we had
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just PA announcements. I can't even remember
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what were on these announcements besides like,
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I guess if there was stuff about like, hey, remember
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to get your tickets for the dance or like remember
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to vote for president or something. I don't know
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what they were telling us every day. We had announcements
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literally every day. What were they fucking telling
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us? Every day they announced lunch. No, they
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didn't tell us. We had like 30 different options
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for lunch every day. There's no way. Oh. I never
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ate the school lunch, so I don't even know what
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they gave people. I was going to say, ours always
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had lunch on it. Ours always had dances, school
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plays, any sporting event. What else? Oh, they
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might have told us who we were playing. Or I
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think they gave announcements about if a playoff
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went well or something. They never announced
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swim team. However. Yeah, I was going to say.
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I don't know, man. When the football got going
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well enough, they just held a pep rally. Oh,
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well, they did that too. Yeah. And then we all
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got to skip class, which was great. I think this
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is unrelated, sort of. We're so far off topic.
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I know well it's on the topic of announcements
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and I guess it's sort of on the topic of romance
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so it's tangentially related but I remember when
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I had I'm pretty sure that this happened and
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I'm not making this up what a way to start a
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story credibility max I'm pretty sure that so
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I had my first crush sophomore year of high school
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Which was really late, and so everyone made a
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huge deal about it. And I'm pretty sure, like,
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even people that I was, like, acquaintances and
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classmates, like, people that I liked but, like,
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weren't in my friend group, like, knew about
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this somehow. And he was on the announcements
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once. Like, he wasn't one of the normal people.
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He was just on there once, like, to talk about
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soccer maybe. I don't know. And one of my, like,
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friendly acquaintances who... who I'm still like
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vaguely, you know, friends on Facebook with,
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but we never talk kind of thing. He like looks
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over at me and she's like, is that him? I was
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like, well, I can't say no, obviously, but like,
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I don't want to confirm for you in front of everyone.
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So back to the text. I noted that. In this sentence,
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she says, God help us instead of gods. I'm guessing
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a typo. Yeah, probably a typo. Yeah, that feels
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like an oversight, but I just thought that it
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was interesting. Well, that actually reminds
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me of another typo that we totally, I totally
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forgot to call out. So hold on a second. And
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this is. One that is confirmed by Rebecca to
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have been a typo. So when they're discussing
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Jack and Jack's dragon in this chapter, they
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call Jack's dragon a her. It's a he. Or she.
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I don't remember. Oh, I did notice that it was
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a her. And I was like, that didn't feel right.
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I thought it was. I pictured it as male. Yes.
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But in my head canon, his dragon is actually
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gender fluid. Anyways. Excellent. So, back to
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Kaori. He is explaining that this class consists
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of 92 riders, making it the smallest class ever,
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even though there were 101 willing to bond, plus
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Tarn, who didn't think he was willing, but bonded
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anyway. That leaves 41 unbonded riders who would
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literally kill to be in the position to take
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flight lessons. And notably, 10 dragons that
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didn't bond at all. Yes. Well, we do know that
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at least one lost their rider as they were...
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Well, Trina's. That's coming up. Well... No,
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no, no. I'm talking about... Oh, no, you're right.
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Trina didn't make it back. Yeah, during threshing,
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she fell off the back of a dragon. So, I mean,
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at that point, the dragons might be like, eh,
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I'll try next year. Whatever. Or they're just
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going to keep an eye on the other unbondeds and
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see if anyone strikes their eye. Strikes their
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pants. And not to diss anyone's relationship,
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but the dragons just aren't that attached to
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you yet. So if you do badly. Except for Taryn.
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Because he's doing everything for Violet. So
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if you do badly on your first ever flight where
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you don't have any skills yet, they might just
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let you die in favor of one of those other guys.
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Yep. And this is his pep talk. Him and Zayden.
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Well, again, pep talks don't need to be positive
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to be motivational. I know, I know. Like, I get
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this is a necessary information. So today they're
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going to have to mount. The dragons will do their
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pre -recorded roller coaster routines. And then
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all the riders have to do is stay on. Both of
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Violet's worst dragon skills. Especially while
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her ankle and arm are still injured because she
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won't get anything mended. I just want to, like,
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can't she just, like, go get mended in secret?
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Like, and just, like, suddenly be able to walk
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better? She's like, wow, I healed so fast. Yeah,
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like, look at me, I healed so fast. Like, better
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than just, like, limping around for several weeks.
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Yeah, I don't know. Devil's Advocate. Our girl
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Violet. I happen to know that someone gets injured
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frequently and is just used to living in pain
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and injury. All of the sudden, every injury is
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miraculously healed within a day. I wonder what
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they're doing. Yeah. But if she just got it healed
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immediately, then no one would have had to know
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the extent of how bad it was. Yeah, but everyone
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on that dragon field would have seen. That's
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the sad part, is the second she slid down Karen's
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leg, everyone knew she was injured. Yeah, but
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again, I still don't think that... that it should
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be a problem like get it healed limp like fake
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limp for a little while and like just pretend
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it healed quicker i don't know or don't pretend
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at all just get fucking mended yeah like like
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leave her arm injured and just heal the ankle
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i don't know would anyone else just deal with
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a broken angle for like well it's just sprained
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or a sprained i mean not just i don't want to
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minimize that because sprained ankles suck but
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it is it's not broken So Tarn makes his leg a
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ramp, just like before. Violet succumbs to some
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internalized ableist thoughts about how accommodations
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imply weakness and inferiority. We love a binary
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that always has to map onto good and bad. And
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it's even worse somehow, because it's the baddest
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baddie of the dragons that must make the accommodations
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for her. Tarn tries to cheer her up, saying,
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It's for his own sake, because he doesn't want
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her climbing him with daggers. He also uses the
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same magic energy seatbelt trick as before, which
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will guarantee that she won't fall off, and also
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that she'll feel incompetent. She still frets
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that she's going to fall off, and the fact that
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they launched second of all the dragons means
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that everyone will have a clear view of it. Tarn
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says that the only reason they didn't go first
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was in deference to the instructor and his dragon.
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Very humble. Violet notes that it makes sense
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why she never saw the dragons when she lived
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on campus before. And I was kind of trying to
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figure out what she was trying to say here, but
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it seems like maybe it's because they're flying
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into the mountains to train instead of somewhere
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visible. Yeah. But this affirms that she had
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no leg up on anyone else when it came to being
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accustomed to dragons because they just weren't
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in a place that she could experience them. Okay,
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are you ready? I am here. We get a very interesting
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conversation about the gods here. Yep. Which
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might be a good time for our thoughts about religion
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and dragons. And which I am going to read. So
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you're an in -front kind of guy. Good to know.
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Remind me to spend some time at temple so I can
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make multiple appeals to Dune or Duna. The goddess
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of strength and war? Tarn clearly scoffs this
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time. What, dragons don't think we need the gods
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on our side? Dragons pay no heed to your puny
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gods. So. So my whole theory that the gods are
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dragons falls apart with that one sentence. But.
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Unless it's Sutterfuge. Does it, though? No dragon
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would ever call another dragon puny. I'm sorry.
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Even for subterfuge purposes. But he could be
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saying the personification of your gods as humans.
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Like, those gods. I pay no heed to your puny
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gods. Yeah. So my thought here is that with a
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lot of gods, they're personifications of things
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in the world used as, like, storytelling devices.
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There's no reason why, like whether or not these
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gods are literally real. I'm going to set that
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aside for a second. There's no reason why the
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humans a really long time ago couldn't have looked
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at a set of like maybe the heads of each dragon
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clan or something and said, wow, those guys are
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really powerful and magical. They must be gods.
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And then developed this whole mythology out of
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it. That has kind of taken on a life of its own
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at this point. There's no reason why those dragons
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that they were based on couldn't still be real.
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Or it could be that the gods are the first seven
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riders of dragons. And dragons see no issue calling
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the first riders puny because all humans are
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puny. Because they're humans. Yeah. Yes. Yes.
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I like both of these ideas. I have a... Third
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idea that I don't have a lot of faith in, but
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it is an idea. So it seems that all of the dragons
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do not have knowledge of the Irid's. Like it's
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been forgotten. It is not something that they
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know either because I don't think it would be
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forgotten necessarily. I feel like there's got
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to be some sort of magical intervention there
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to like make them forget. It's been like 600
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years. I could imagine if that. information's
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not being like passed down generation to generation
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and they're not experiencing it like yeah but
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maybe dragons are better than humans but information
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gets lost so easily if it's not actively being
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transmitted between generations over a long period
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of time yeah so it could reason that that the
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knowledge of the dragons as the gods has also
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been lost to time um so the humans have kind
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of kept them alive in a sense albeit in a human
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form. And so the dragons do scoff at the idea
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of the gods because they only know it as a human
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folklore. Yes. Remember how we were talking about
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folklore the other day, John? And folklore is
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how we remember our history. Remember Papa Soren
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game? Yep. Anyway, enter theology. I still am
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on the bandwagon. The dragons are the first dragons
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and the first writers are directly interconnected
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with the gods. That's that's my headcanon period.
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I know I'm very stubborn on this one, but I've
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just I've seen too many. I've seen too many little
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openings in the story here for Easter eggs that
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I just can't accept that she's not doing this
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on purpose. Yeah. Do we get any estimate of how
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long there have been dragons and writers? No,
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because we don't have a confirmation. Okay, so
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let's talk about a number of different things
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here. Thing number one, the story of the Barons,
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the Fable of the Barons, tells us that the first
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rider was actually one of the brothers, right?
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So the Fable of the Barons actually throws the
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idea of the first riders out the window entirely.
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I'm just saying the Bible has two different Genesis
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stories. Yeah. Yes. We know that the canonical
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first writers, according to Navarian history,
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which include Lyra and the other guy, Warwick,
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Lyra and Warwick, because they steal their, those
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are the journals that they steal. We know that
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they were around when the wards were put up,
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and the wards were put up sometime around 600
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years prior to Violet. I would also comment on
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the fact that for the wards to have gone up,
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an Irid had to contribute. Yes. So the Irids
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departed the continent less than 600 years ago.
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Which is not that long in terms of mythology
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being developed and altered and passed on. Especially
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with how old dragons can get. But that's where
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I'm at. It's hard to believe that the dragons
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didn't pass on the knowledge of the Irid's to
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each other at the very least. Because if you
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think about it, dragons lived for 200 years.
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If we have overlapping generations, there were
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six generations of dragons between the wards
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going up and Violet Sorengale. Six generations
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is very different than the 60 generations that
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went through or like the 30 generations that
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went through the human race at that same time.
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30 generations can rewrite history. Six can't.
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Well, I would say it's even it's it would be
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like three generations because we know that Taron
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is 100 and he's middle aged. So this is where
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I'm using an overlapping generations idea where
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the next generation. When did the new generation.
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When do you lay eggs? It's not about when you
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die. Yeah. When does the next generation show
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up in your timeline? And so you're 30 -ish and
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you're having children now. Oh, I see. Okay.
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I get it. I get you. And so every hundred years
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says that a new generation marks at the century
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mark for dragons. Gotcha. Okay. Overlapping generations
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also happens to be a very... interesting macroeconomic
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model that has tortured me for the last year
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um but i have kind of had this weird struggle
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in my brain where i'm like how can the how can
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the navarian dragons not know about the irids
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when an irid was instrumental in firing the wards
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i think that there there had to be some sort
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of i mean the irids say like we are magic i don't
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know i feel like to protect themselves, they
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somehow mess with the memory of the other dragons.
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Needy. I'm also curious to know if the Irids
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of Horviolence, are they vegetarians? Probably
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not. No, no. I mean, Andarnas certainly not.
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It made me think, though, about how the colons
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are vegetarians. Right, yeah, yeah. Interesting
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word choice. Well, are you ready to go back to
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class? Well, there was one more thing that I
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wanted to say. Give me a moment to see if it
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pops back into my brain. I feel like I can buy
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the fact that the dragons... Are the gods more
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than I can buy? The gods are more like humans,
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but real, if that makes sense. I think it'd be
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really interesting if the gods are dragons and
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they're really ancient dragons that are still
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around and we'll get to meet them because that
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would be really fucking cool. there is that i
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like part of what comes to my mind is the first
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six writers were the first six to basically make
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a human dragon pact that would last beyond their
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lifetime um and so there is maybe an argument
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to be said to the fact that like normal humies
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watch this random guy land on a dragon, climb
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off of it, and then start shooting fire from
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his fingertips. And they're like, oh my God,
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a God. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And then
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it's the whole question of like, okay, well,
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what were their signets that would correlate
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them with these different realms of power? And
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I don't think we have time for that right now.
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Because, like, I like the idea of my whole...
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Hold on, I need to bust a notebook out. I know
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this theory and I like this theory a lot. My
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only thing here is, like, I feel like the gods
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are talked about as if... they're old like older
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than just the first writers even the dragon bonds
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especially when you consider the like the goddess
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or the um the temple of dune like the way that
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the isle of dune and the temple of dune dune
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in particular seems to have way more um history
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to it than we already are giving it so it feels
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it feels easier to me for because dragons probably
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maybe existed Before anyone rode them. So it
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feels plausible to me. That a really long time
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ago. Some dragons were really cool. And deified.
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And that's the mythology we're still working
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with. And then we also get this cool history.
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And all the historical stuff. Of the first riders.
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As a separate thing. Maybe there were some secret
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first riders. Way way way back. That we forgot
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about. Before our current. real first writers
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you could look at the folklore and the brothers
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and that could be a whole other subset of because
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that also feels older and we know it's mentioned
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somewhere in i think an epigraph that the first
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six riders are not the first humans to attempt
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to ride dragons they're just the first six to
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survive that we know and so like part that's
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where i'm like are they the first six or are
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they the first six that got this bond where dragons
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continue to bond after them but going back or
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is that just what they said yeah yeah going back
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to it here really quick. If the gods did line
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up with Cygnets, and this is a fun one I haven't
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done yet, so we're going to do this one live
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here. First and foremost, I have always said
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that Amari, the queen of the gods, is associated
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with the Irid. I don't think that the Irid that
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fired the Basgayeth Wardstone was bonded. I think
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it agreed to fire the Wardstone as a, this is
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the last thing we're doing for you, and then
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we're gone. Agreed. And so everyone else talked
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about like the seventh that was so crucial and
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led us to victory and everyone else just canonicalized
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it into the queen. Blue is Malik, death in my
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mind. You're going to love this one. I think
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that this is precognition. Okay. Like he knows
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when you're going to die. Or how to make sure
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you die. Or how to prevent you from dying. I
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like that. And I say this because we have two
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blue dragons that we're familiar with. We've
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got Sagail, and then we've got Oryx dragon. I
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don't think death is going to line up with shadows.
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Maybe it does. But I think that precognition
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:12.339
lines up better. Dune is lined up with war. I
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say this is the black dragon. This is our lightning
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wielder. I mean, yeah. naturally violet so that
00:27:19.660 --> 00:27:23.059
seems pretty straightforward yeah hedion wisdom
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and this is where i was like is wisdom precognition
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but it doesn't really feel like a true green
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trade i think that hedion and wisdom are most
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likely aligned with the natural bending like
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:37.220
for lack of better phrase the bending segments
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your airbender firebender waterbenders okay zinal
00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:46.559
luck This one here, I think, lines up with the
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:49.980
secret from Heaton that we haven't had confirmed
00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:52.660
yet, which is the ability to manipulate the luck
00:27:52.660 --> 00:27:55.259
of a situation. I don't know if I've heard this
00:27:55.259 --> 00:27:59.220
one. At the beginning of Onyx Storm, when Imogen...
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Was that Heaton? Yep. At the beginning of Onyx
00:28:02.059 --> 00:28:05.480
Storm, when Imogen and Violet are heading down
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to interrogate Jack Barlow for the first time,
00:28:08.059 --> 00:28:12.140
Heaton and Bodhi, I want to say, are playing
00:28:12.140 --> 00:28:17.099
cards. And Bodhi remarks that Heaton always wins.
00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:22.480
How can he be so goddamn lucky? And I'm like,
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:28.279
secret signet. I'm sniffing what she's pouring.
00:28:29.220 --> 00:28:32.319
And what color dragon would that go with? Orange.
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That's what I thought. Okay. Loyal. Love. Red.
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Fashion. Distance wielding. Why? What is going
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:50.380
to drive you to a need to just literally blip
00:28:50.380 --> 00:28:55.019
across space and time more than the need to be
00:28:55.019 --> 00:28:57.279
with the people you love? And notably because
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I'm saving the signet that would normally fit
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.079
there. for the last god that we haven't talked
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:06.700
about here, and this is technically the unconfirmed
00:29:06.700 --> 00:29:10.039
god that Rebecca Yaros threw in an epigraph but
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:14.099
has not confirmed is actually a god, Krypton,
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the god of healing and life, who I associate
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with the brown dragons, and those are our menders.
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And so by this logic, the first six included
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a mender, A lightning wielder. A distance wielder.
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I'm double checking myself. A luck wielder, for
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:40.859
lack of a better phrase. A precog. And then some
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form of very powerful base bending. There are
00:29:46.539 --> 00:29:51.039
some that I like more than others. That was off
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the top of my head. I did not plan this. All
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I'm going off of here are my notes for colors,
00:29:55.019 --> 00:30:01.400
dragons, and godlings. okay so isn't mama soaring
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gales dragon brown mama soaring gales dragon
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:08.339
is brown so is okay no i'm about to we're gonna
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have to fact check me if i'm not careful here
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:15.759
um i'm on it thank you because i was about to
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:17.980
say dane's dragon is a brown but no we had this
00:30:17.980 --> 00:30:22.220
conversation last time um there are other browns
00:30:22.220 --> 00:30:26.599
that we've heard of but mama soaring gales would
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.660
be the most prominent brown. Doesn't Riddick
00:30:29.660 --> 00:30:33.220
have a brown dragon? Riddick says... I guess
00:30:33.220 --> 00:30:40.640
I don't know. Brown swordtail. Really? So, okay.
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.279
While you guys are doing your little look at
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:46.380
your screens thing, there's this Rebecca Yarrow's
00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:49.980
video out there that says in the next book, Riddick
00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:54.319
is going to go through a massive amount of personal
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:58.269
growth. And so lining up the fact that Riddick
00:30:58.269 --> 00:31:01.829
isn't bonded to an orange or a red, he's bonded
00:31:01.829 --> 00:31:04.269
to a brown, which is actually considered to be
00:31:04.269 --> 00:31:07.670
one of the more discerning. No, blacks are the
00:31:07.670 --> 00:31:10.609
most discerning. Greens are the most cunning.
00:31:11.049 --> 00:31:15.109
Logical. Blacks are cunning. Sorry. Browns are
00:31:15.109 --> 00:31:17.250
the... No, we just don't know anything about
00:31:17.250 --> 00:31:18.930
the browns, right? We just don't have anything
00:31:18.930 --> 00:31:21.589
for the browns. Yeah, not really. Yes. I am getting
00:31:21.589 --> 00:31:25.140
to it right now. One moment. And so, yeah, I
00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:27.940
just in my mind, for some reason, Brown has always
00:31:27.940 --> 00:31:32.400
been aligned with not the most wise, but the
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.180
most seasoned, for lack of a better phrase. I
00:31:36.180 --> 00:31:38.940
don't know the right way to phrase that. OK,
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:42.940
so running through it, Blacks are known for being
00:31:42.940 --> 00:31:45.059
the rarest, the smartest, most discerning and
00:31:45.059 --> 00:31:47.740
most cunning, which makes it impossible to outsmart
00:31:47.740 --> 00:31:53.289
them. Planners and then Blue Dragons. are known
00:31:53.289 --> 00:31:58.250
for their size, being the most ruthless, intimidating.
00:32:00.210 --> 00:32:02.589
Greens are known for their intellect and rational
00:32:02.589 --> 00:32:06.910
countenance. Brown dragons, yes. It says it is
00:32:06.910 --> 00:32:09.289
advised to never show trepidation to a brown,
00:32:09.430 --> 00:32:14.089
and they are known to be loyal. So, A, the loyalty
00:32:14.089 --> 00:32:17.130
of Riddick. And then orange are the most unpredictable.
00:32:18.670 --> 00:32:24.819
And red are quickest to temper. And most violent.
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:28.980
Yeah. And so, like, the fact that Riddick, the
00:32:28.980 --> 00:32:34.279
class clown, has a brown dragon... Lord knows.
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.000
She's gonna kill Riddick. You understand this,
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:38.799
right? She's gonna kill Riddick and we're gonna
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:41.259
lose our fucking minds. There's gonna be riots
00:32:41.259 --> 00:32:44.279
on the street. Get out. I disagree. She will
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.039
not. Because I'm manifesting that she will not.
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.799
After Liam, there's no one that's safe. But Liam
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:53.960
was already perfect. That's why he had to die.
00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:56.059
So what happens when our imperfect guy finally
00:32:56.059 --> 00:33:03.839
becomes perfect? He won't. So do these, like,
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:07.339
original signets sort of thing not have to line
00:33:07.339 --> 00:33:10.940
up with current ones? There's also that question
00:33:10.940 --> 00:33:16.089
of what signets... A, are not present at current
00:33:16.089 --> 00:33:19.130
time, or B, are not aware, we're not aware of
00:33:19.130 --> 00:33:21.690
them. So, like, I'm really leveraging so hard
00:33:21.690 --> 00:33:24.009
on the idea that Heaton has the second signet
00:33:24.009 --> 00:33:27.069
and is capable of manipulating luck. Maybe Heaton
00:33:27.069 --> 00:33:30.069
is just a precog. I was actually going to say
00:33:30.069 --> 00:33:32.170
before we kind of got off topic that I could
00:33:32.170 --> 00:33:35.269
actually see precog being related to luck. I
00:33:35.269 --> 00:33:37.029
also, that's one where I was like... Because
00:33:37.029 --> 00:33:39.369
then you can manipulate outcomes. Precog, like...
00:33:39.369 --> 00:33:41.750
Yeah, like how Arik does. So if you're, especially
00:33:41.750 --> 00:33:43.470
when you start considering the descriptions of
00:33:43.470 --> 00:33:46.289
the dragons, Precog fits with Luck and Zenal
00:33:46.289 --> 00:33:50.130
with the oranges, fits with Black, War, and Dune,
00:33:50.210 --> 00:33:56.450
because Melgreen is a form of Precog, and Precognition
00:33:56.450 --> 00:33:59.990
and War seems to be hand in hand, or Death and
00:33:59.990 --> 00:34:03.589
Malak, like... Or wisdom. That's one of those
00:34:03.589 --> 00:34:06.529
ones where you've got some of these signets that
00:34:06.529 --> 00:34:08.889
could fit in multiple categories and some of
00:34:08.889 --> 00:34:10.530
these signets that don't feel like they really
00:34:10.530 --> 00:34:14.250
perfectly fit any category. And so I also would
00:34:14.250 --> 00:34:16.050
totally be willing to say that there are some
00:34:16.050 --> 00:34:18.769
of those signets that I listed that are completely
00:34:18.769 --> 00:34:22.010
wrong because we don't know the signet. Is Heaton
00:34:22.010 --> 00:34:24.090
really manipulating luck or can he just see the
00:34:24.090 --> 00:34:25.929
future and is cheating at cards like a bastard?
00:34:26.869 --> 00:34:30.369
Or is he just lucky and doesn't necessarily have
00:34:30.369 --> 00:34:32.769
a signet relating to it? Like, that's also a
00:34:32.769 --> 00:34:34.670
possibility. He could just be favored by Zina.
00:34:34.670 --> 00:34:38.130
Or are the gods real? John! He's got the hot
00:34:38.130 --> 00:34:41.449
hands, Jon. He's cheating. Maybe he's, like,
00:34:42.110 --> 00:34:44.829
the Flash, and he's able to move so quickly he
00:34:44.829 --> 00:34:46.550
can just, like, rearrange the cards before anyone
00:34:46.550 --> 00:34:49.929
can see. Or he's a dedicated of Zenal. That's
00:34:49.929 --> 00:34:51.570
what I was going to say. Maybe we'll find out
00:34:51.570 --> 00:34:55.349
that he only, like, only prays to Zenal, and
00:34:55.349 --> 00:35:00.610
the gods are real, and Zenal loves him. Yeah.
00:35:00.690 --> 00:35:02.429
See, and that's why I'm like, why is everyone
00:35:02.429 --> 00:35:07.030
else not praying to Zenal all the time? So I
00:35:07.030 --> 00:35:09.949
feel like this theory has a lot of likes. I think
00:35:09.949 --> 00:35:15.349
that just for telling a good story, having some,
00:35:15.429 --> 00:35:20.150
I can't think of words, having parallels. There
00:35:20.150 --> 00:35:22.510
we go. Having parallels between the original
00:35:22.510 --> 00:35:28.829
seven, the gods, and our current writers makes
00:35:28.829 --> 00:35:31.750
a lot of sense. I don't think we're quite there
00:35:31.750 --> 00:35:36.780
yet. I love the track that you're on. And I feel
00:35:36.780 --> 00:35:39.400
like we should probably table this until we get
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.940
to Onyx Storm. Yeah. Because we've gotten it
00:35:42.940 --> 00:35:45.920
out there. And most of the evidence, I feel like,
00:35:45.940 --> 00:35:48.800
comes from Onyx Storm. So we can definitely talk
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.739
about it more then. And then, ooh, when we get
00:35:51.739 --> 00:35:53.619
a new book, that's going to be a lot of fun.
00:35:53.739 --> 00:35:58.579
Oh, that's going to be a lot of fun. Now we get
00:35:58.579 --> 00:36:00.460
to go back to flight school. And we've only got
00:36:00.460 --> 00:36:02.519
a couple more pages, guys, okay? We can do it.
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:06.090
We can do it. I feel like a lot of this is skimmable.
00:36:07.269 --> 00:36:11.389
Yeah. So Violet complains some more about Tarn
00:36:11.389 --> 00:36:13.730
holding her on. He asks if she would rather be
00:36:13.730 --> 00:36:17.090
like Glown's rider who fell onto a glacier. Yep,
00:36:17.090 --> 00:36:19.510
someone's already been lost. Victory for one
00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:23.070
unbonded cadet. Which then I was like, wait,
00:36:23.190 --> 00:36:26.719
so how did the unbonded cadets... bond the new
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.219
dragons because i don't remember how this process
00:36:29.219 --> 00:36:31.139
works at all like is there another threshing
00:36:31.139 --> 00:36:34.699
like no maybe we'll get to this in another chapter
00:36:34.699 --> 00:36:38.420
when someone does bond yeah we can discuss that
00:36:38.420 --> 00:36:40.940
i think we've discussed enough so let's side
00:36:40.940 --> 00:36:45.119
table that that question um so yep so one is
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:49.699
down whoo scary but violet still insists in fact
00:36:49.699 --> 00:36:52.659
she says the effort must be draining for tarn
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:56.139
He scoffs that he's far too powerful for such
00:36:56.139 --> 00:36:58.980
a thing to noticeably affect him, but she can
00:36:58.980 --> 00:37:02.920
try if she wants. So he lets it go, takes a turn,
00:37:02.980 --> 00:37:07.539
and she instantly slides off. Really quick, there's
00:37:07.539 --> 00:37:11.559
one really important thing that got overshadowed
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:15.059
by the gods' conversation that I just need to
00:37:15.059 --> 00:37:18.219
bring up. So, going back a little bit, just before
00:37:18.219 --> 00:37:20.119
she's saying you can't hold me the entire time,
00:37:20.260 --> 00:37:25.300
she says, He holds me there through another climb
00:37:25.300 --> 00:37:28.460
and even a near spiral of a turn, and I can't
00:37:28.460 --> 00:37:30.340
help but notice that he's taking everything Kaori
00:37:30.340 --> 00:37:34.400
is doing and making it harder. Yes. And we're
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.599
going to get a little bit more a little bit later.
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:44.159
With Dane. With Dane. We'll get there when we
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:47.719
get there, but I just want to point that line
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:52.119
out. Yeah, so Tarn took the pre -recorded rollercoaster
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:56.119
routines and amped them up a little bit. I wonder
00:37:56.119 --> 00:38:02.280
why. But Violet still, she's like, no. So she
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.840
falls off. He catches her in his claws like during
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.900
threshing again. He's so annoyed that he mentally
00:38:07.900 --> 00:38:17.630
yells at her in dragon instead of English. She
00:38:17.630 --> 00:38:19.949
continues to insist that she must be able to
00:38:19.949 --> 00:38:22.949
do this on her own, so she falls again and again
00:38:22.949 --> 00:38:28.969
and again and again. So he calls her Stubborn
00:38:28.969 --> 00:38:34.489
Silver Human. And I just wrote, no. Never. Excuse
00:38:34.489 --> 00:38:37.170
you. It's only her middle name, okay? It doesn't
00:38:37.170 --> 00:38:42.750
mean anything. So that is the flight lesson.
00:38:42.889 --> 00:38:48.190
Later that same night, she is... on her way to
00:38:48.190 --> 00:38:50.809
a strength class with Imogen, despite all the
00:38:50.809 --> 00:38:53.230
bruising and soreness. And on her way there,
00:38:53.449 --> 00:38:57.110
Dane catches up to her in the hallway. She waits
00:38:57.110 --> 00:38:59.650
to feel excited about him running after her for
00:38:59.650 --> 00:39:03.820
a private moment, but just doesn't. She tries
00:39:03.820 --> 00:39:07.179
to talk herself into liking him. He's hot and
00:39:07.179 --> 00:39:10.739
kind and honorable and her best friend and just
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:13.960
an all -around good guy. So why don't we have
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:20.239
any chemistry? Mr. Invading your thoughts every
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:22.780
time he gets the chance is not very honorable.
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:27.119
Oh, don't get me started here. Mr. Never demonstrates
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.260
that he actually cares about you above anything
00:39:29.260 --> 00:39:34.070
else is so a good guy. So they stop in the hall
00:39:34.070 --> 00:39:36.329
to chat. She says that she's on her way to work
00:39:36.329 --> 00:39:39.269
out. He's all, you didn't get enough during flight
00:39:39.269 --> 00:39:42.170
today? Coming from Rydock, this would have been
00:39:42.170 --> 00:39:44.969
a joke, but this is Dane, who is always concerned.
00:39:46.110 --> 00:39:48.949
She checks her bandages to confirm that her stitches
00:39:48.949 --> 00:39:51.730
are intact, which definitely helps her case.
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.579
Dane says that he thought she would be okay once
00:39:55.579 --> 00:39:58.300
Tarn chose her. Why? But she doesn't seem to
00:39:58.300 --> 00:40:00.619
be. Why would you think that? I was like, well,
00:40:00.699 --> 00:40:02.280
first of all, why would you think that? Second
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:04.539
of all, no, you didn't. Yeah. You still thought
00:40:04.539 --> 00:40:06.480
she would be in danger. You tried to get her
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.000
to only pick on Darna. Yeah. And, like, literally
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.340
in a couple sentences from now, you will, like,
00:40:11.380 --> 00:40:14.420
contradict what you just said. Yeah. Violet's
00:40:14.420 --> 00:40:17.579
voice starts rising as she says, she'll be fine.
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.130
She just needs some strengthening. It's just
00:40:21.130 --> 00:40:23.210
an issue because Tarn wants to do the advanced
00:40:23.210 --> 00:40:27.369
version of everything. She's getting irritated.
00:40:27.969 --> 00:40:32.030
She's not consoling him anymore. No, no. She's
00:40:32.030 --> 00:40:36.750
going straight to defensiveness and justification.
00:40:37.449 --> 00:40:40.309
Tarn butts in that it's for her own good, reminding
00:40:40.309 --> 00:40:44.489
us that dragon bonds mean no privacy. Yep. Her
00:40:44.489 --> 00:40:47.030
spacing out for a sec also worries Dane until
00:40:47.030 --> 00:40:50.659
she explains. It's just Tarn talking to me. He
00:40:50.659 --> 00:40:53.179
says that's good because telepathy, like more
00:40:53.179 --> 00:40:56.510
telepathy means a stronger bond. But Tarn also
00:40:56.510 --> 00:40:59.010
should really take it easier on her because it's
00:40:59.010 --> 00:41:00.889
not like there's anything to worry about besides
00:41:00.889 --> 00:41:03.510
griffins. And they don't even stand a chance
00:41:03.510 --> 00:41:07.809
against a dragon. Yep. And so here we go. Here
00:41:07.809 --> 00:41:11.210
we go. He knows. Well, the thing is, Dane. The
00:41:11.210 --> 00:41:14.050
thing is, Dane. Tarn says he should mind his
00:41:14.050 --> 00:41:16.409
own business, which Violet does not pass on.
00:41:16.650 --> 00:41:19.510
But she does defend to Tarn that Dane is her
00:41:19.510 --> 00:41:22.329
best friend and that he should go easier on him.
00:41:22.809 --> 00:41:26.190
And Taryn snorts. But yes, this is directly related
00:41:26.190 --> 00:41:29.369
to the line that I pointed out that there's nothing,
00:41:29.530 --> 00:41:33.730
there's no aerial threat besides a griffin. And
00:41:33.730 --> 00:41:36.030
Taryn's just like, mind your own fucking business
00:41:36.030 --> 00:41:38.010
because there is and I'm prepping our girl for
00:41:38.010 --> 00:41:40.750
it. Yeah, just because your dragon isn't like
00:41:40.750 --> 00:41:45.139
helping you out with this. Not to mention the
00:41:45.139 --> 00:41:47.400
fact that this is one of the first times that
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:50.780
we see Violet actively standing up to Taryn.
00:41:50.900 --> 00:41:54.039
Again, second largest creature on the continent.
00:41:54.500 --> 00:41:56.920
And she's... Yep, snapping at him. She's doing
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.460
this constantly. I know, but she's starting to
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:01.480
get comfortable with it and she's the only person
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.280
on the continent capable of doing it. Yep. Yeah.
00:42:05.750 --> 00:42:09.250
Dane reaches for her face again and reads her
00:42:09.250 --> 00:42:12.250
memory. He has to be doing that here of the kiss.
00:42:12.289 --> 00:42:14.349
Thank you for calling it out. Because he's prompting
00:42:14.349 --> 00:42:16.829
her. He's prompting her. He's looking at her
00:42:16.829 --> 00:42:19.289
lips, trying to get a read on her reaction to
00:42:19.289 --> 00:42:21.869
it before bringing up the very subject. Yup.
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.300
About last night. Really quick. Did you guys
00:42:25.300 --> 00:42:28.380
see where he lets go of her? The only thing that
00:42:28.380 --> 00:42:31.059
I see is later he says he rears back because
00:42:31.059 --> 00:42:33.940
there's no mention. But if he's actively reading
00:42:33.940 --> 00:42:36.360
her this whole time, then it doesn't make sense
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.380
with his reaction. I don't think it's the whole
00:42:38.380 --> 00:42:42.699
time. So he reaches for her face. He looks at
00:42:42.699 --> 00:42:45.360
her lips for a heartbeat and then steps back.
00:42:46.579 --> 00:42:48.780
So I think when he steps back. Oh, before he
00:42:48.780 --> 00:42:51.659
steps back. Oh, my God. I totally freaking missed
00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:56.800
that. Sorry. So I think he's doing the read very
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.340
quickly. And then he steps back, brings his hand
00:43:00.340 --> 00:43:02.699
down, and is like, hey, so about last night.
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.719
So he probably sensed, like, her awkwardness
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:07.780
or, like, being like, this is weird. Because
00:43:07.780 --> 00:43:11.780
he's clearly not getting a full. Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:18.320
So Violet very saucily asks, which part? That
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:20.820
bonding, Taryn would get her killed via the connection
00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:23.539
to Zayden, which is the clear contradiction to
00:43:23.539 --> 00:43:25.500
his assertion that he thought she would be safe
00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:28.800
after bonding. Yep. Or the kiss. And we know
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:33.099
it's the kiss because of his body language. He
00:43:33.099 --> 00:43:36.079
says it should not have happened. Violet immediately
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.179
feels relieved. They reassure each other that
00:43:39.179 --> 00:43:43.219
they're still best friends. Violet, in her relief,
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.659
thinks that he's friendzoning her and she doesn't
00:43:45.659 --> 00:43:49.519
have to worry about it. Which she doesn't realize
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.320
is what she wants. But actually, this is about
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.659
the rules again. And not only the rules, but
00:43:56.659 --> 00:44:01.039
the fake rules. The unenforced rules. It's not
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:03.980
that I don't want you, he says, but the chain
00:44:03.980 --> 00:44:09.619
of command. She says, quote, it shouldn't matter
00:44:09.619 --> 00:44:11.760
to me that the only reason he isn't pursuing
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.190
me is rank. And it honestly doesn't. Because
00:44:15.190 --> 00:44:17.250
she doesn't want him to pursue her at all anymore.
00:44:17.550 --> 00:44:20.010
Yeah. Quote, but it definitely makes me lose
00:44:20.010 --> 00:44:21.630
a little respect for him, which is something
00:44:21.630 --> 00:44:24.789
I never expected. So now she's approaching the
00:44:24.789 --> 00:44:27.849
same page we're all on about. Yep. Yep. She's
00:44:27.849 --> 00:44:31.309
having the conflicting feelings about. wanting
00:44:31.309 --> 00:44:33.730
him to want her and to break the rules for her
00:44:33.730 --> 00:44:37.130
to show that and also not wanting him precisely
00:44:37.130 --> 00:44:40.590
because he won't break the rules which aren't
00:44:40.590 --> 00:44:42.530
even the rules they're just recommendations and
00:44:42.530 --> 00:44:44.789
everyone else is disregarding them anyway and
00:44:44.789 --> 00:44:47.510
going back a little bit where he says You know
00:44:47.510 --> 00:44:49.789
how hard I've worked to be a squad leader. I'm
00:44:49.789 --> 00:44:52.409
going to be a wing leader. I can't have this,
00:44:52.429 --> 00:44:55.090
you know, like, marring my chances. Meanwhile,
00:44:55.349 --> 00:44:58.550
Rhiannon, who becomes the squad leader, is just
00:44:58.550 --> 00:45:02.489
screwing all of them. Okay, but notably... You
00:45:02.489 --> 00:45:03.989
know she's going to be a wing leader. Notably.
00:45:04.510 --> 00:45:07.710
Rihanna isn't sleeping with anybody that's below
00:45:07.710 --> 00:45:10.409
her years. It's not like Rihanna's sleeping with
00:45:10.409 --> 00:45:13.550
first years next year. Yes, but when she's a
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squad leader, isn't that when she, oh no, she
00:45:15.849 --> 00:45:17.710
sleeps with Riddick before she becomes a squad
00:45:17.710 --> 00:45:20.530
leader, huh? Yeah, no, she like, Sawyer, all
00:45:20.530 --> 00:45:22.949
of these bouncing arounds are before she becomes
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a squad leader. And nothing says that a squad
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leader is incapable of sleeping with another
00:45:27.570 --> 00:45:29.909
second year from a different squad, let alone
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a different wing. It's the chain of command.
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Like if, if, If Sloane and Rhiannon took up and
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were shacking together all first year, everyone
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would be like, oh, Sloane's just getting through
00:45:41.190 --> 00:45:43.550
because Rhiannon's sleeping with her. Well, yes.
00:45:43.829 --> 00:45:46.130
Which is kind of fair, but... But again, I don't
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think it would take away her chances of... No.
00:45:48.969 --> 00:45:52.190
I'm just saying. Yeah. Rhiannon technically doesn't
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put herself in this situation, as far as we know.
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Because like Dane could even be like, hey, we
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:01.239
can't kiss again, but I don't regret that I did
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it. And he's not even taking that tack. He's
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.420
saying it shouldn't have happened at all. Which
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is just like, what a way to be like, hey, I love
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.659
you, but actually not that much. And this other
00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:18.739
thing is my priority. Yeah. Which is not how
00:46:18.739 --> 00:46:23.670
you win the girl. Yeah. Right as Dane begins
00:46:23.670 --> 00:46:26.130
to fantasize about different circumstances that
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would allow him to pursue her, Imogen breaks
00:46:28.889 --> 00:46:31.389
in that Vi needs to get her butt in the gym now.
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Thanks, Imogen. He is shocked, but Imogen doesn't
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give him any time to object. They enter a weightlifting
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room where Garrick is training one of the first
00:46:44.989 --> 00:46:47.730
-year marked ones. Imogen says, don't worry,
00:46:47.849 --> 00:46:52.570
there are only three of us. Which would be illegal
00:46:52.570 --> 00:46:55.590
outside of this sparring context. And maybe having
00:46:55.590 --> 00:46:57.969
Violet there as a non -marked one also gives
00:46:57.969 --> 00:47:00.329
them a little bit more cover. Well, especially
00:47:00.329 --> 00:47:02.809
because they can claim to be like two groups
00:47:02.809 --> 00:47:07.650
of two. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But Imogen is the
00:47:07.650 --> 00:47:09.710
only one Violet is worried about, which earns
00:47:09.710 --> 00:47:14.130
a genuine laugh from Imogen. They get started
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on Violet's weak ass inner thighs since her ankle
00:47:17.469 --> 00:47:22.500
and her arms are too injured. Villain. Violet
00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:26.320
tries to get Imogen to admit that she's only
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.840
doing this at Zayden's behest. To which Imogen
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:32.940
says, one rule, you cannot be on a first name
00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:35.619
basis with your ringleader, nor can you ask me
00:47:35.619 --> 00:47:38.199
about him. And Violet's like, that's two rules.
00:47:41.420 --> 00:47:43.679
Violet concludes from that reaction that they
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:47.559
are for sure lovers. And she does not have any
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:50.599
feelings about that. Nope, no jealousy. Definitely
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.980
not jealous. Yeah, but she's like, the only way
00:47:53.980 --> 00:47:57.739
that she could be this loyal to Zayden is if
00:47:57.739 --> 00:48:01.219
they're lovers. And I'm like, nope, he's just
00:48:01.219 --> 00:48:04.559
leading the charge of the revolution, baby. Yeah,
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:06.539
because it's definitely, there's no feelings
00:48:06.539 --> 00:48:10.619
for Garak over there. Nope, none at all. And
00:48:10.619 --> 00:48:13.960
his shoulders that should take up two seats,
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:19.780
I think we skipped over that. Oh my gosh. Where
00:48:19.780 --> 00:48:22.400
it says, Garak, whose shoulders look like they
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:27.900
should take up at least two seats. Yep. So yeah,
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.000
so Violet's got that, you know, that tight bitterness
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:34.380
in her chest. It's something else. And I said
00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:36.400
that it's very fun that Violet is working on
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:38.460
the thigh press machine while thinking about
00:48:38.460 --> 00:48:44.079
Zayden and Imogen and not feeling anything. I
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:46.480
love that. I love that. Because the last line,
00:48:46.539 --> 00:48:50.820
or the very last bit is that Imogen pulls a lever
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:54.699
that activates the machine and separates her
00:48:54.699 --> 00:49:01.239
thighs. Damn. Just slams them open. Just the
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:06.739
way I like it. She needs that strength for some
00:49:06.739 --> 00:49:11.280
other things. Amen. Amen. And that is finally
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:16.900
the end of our chapter. This is going to be another
00:49:16.900 --> 00:49:18.920
two -parter, I feel like. Yep, it's going to
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:21.980
be a two -parter. This was a long one. Of course,
00:49:22.019 --> 00:49:27.139
a lot of little dead space and some tangents
00:49:27.139 --> 00:49:30.079
get edited out if it's completely irrelevant.
00:49:31.179 --> 00:49:36.059
Not many. Not many do. We are at 2 hours and
00:49:36.059 --> 00:49:41.099
38 minutes of recording. Yeah. Although we did
00:49:41.099 --> 00:49:43.460
start recording at like the 10 minute mark or
00:49:43.460 --> 00:49:45.300
like we started the episode at like the 10 minute
00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:48.739
mark. So take 10 minutes off of that for. Yeah.
00:49:49.219 --> 00:49:53.079
Yeah. I feel like this always happens when we
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:55.940
record late. We just we just lose our minds.
00:49:57.340 --> 00:49:59.400
We're like in our own little world. There's like
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.739
nothing else that we are paying attention to.
00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:04.019
Like, I mean, there's nothing outside my window.
00:50:04.059 --> 00:50:07.820
It's just black. Yep. No further responsibilities
00:50:07.820 --> 00:50:18.340
for the day. We're just tired. So, man, I don't
00:50:18.340 --> 00:50:20.039
think I don't have any thoughts. I don't know
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:22.860
about you guys. I think that I'm so thoughtless.
00:50:23.860 --> 00:50:35.460
I am a shell of who I once was. Okay, well. After
00:50:35.460 --> 00:50:39.559
that lengthy, lengthy recording session, I had
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:42.139
a blast, you guys. This is great. Thank you for...
00:50:42.139 --> 00:50:44.559
I assume all the kiddos made it to bed fine.
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:48.659
Yeah, they're in bed, and Tyler, when he looked
00:50:48.659 --> 00:50:50.699
at me like I was crazy when I was talking about
00:50:50.699 --> 00:50:57.199
relics on dicks, that's when they were both in
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:01.960
bed. So, yes. Very good. So Tyler got some game
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.469
time and everything. Yes, yes. Everyone's happy.
00:51:06.190 --> 00:51:08.250
Kara's also going to bed and telling me I need
00:51:08.250 --> 00:51:12.469
to be quiet now, so perfect. Ah, ah, yes. Gotta
00:51:12.469 --> 00:51:14.469
love that Kara's telling you that. The girl who
00:51:14.469 --> 00:51:17.889
used to stay up until 3am every night. Yeah,
00:51:17.889 --> 00:51:19.969
but she has to work tomorrow. That'll do it for
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us tonight, you guys. Until next chapter, goodbye.
00:51:24.789 --> 00:51:35.360
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