Fourth Wing Chapter 13

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This podcast discusses a nonstop thrilling adventure
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fantasy series set in the brutal and competitive
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world of a military college for dragon riders,
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which includes potential spoilers for all published
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material. This episode includes elements regarding
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injury, death, bodily fluids, and explicit language.
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Listeners who may be sensitive to these elements,
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cross the parapet at your own risk and prepare
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to enter the wing readers. Welcome to The Winged
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Readers, where we deep dive into the Empyrean
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series, chapter by chapter, theorize and overanalyze.
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I'm Abby. I'm John. And this is Misha Cassie.
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And today we are covering Fourth Wing, Chapter
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13. Here is your friendly reminder that there
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will be spoilers. I was feeling a little feisty
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last chapter. It wasn't so friendly, but... We're
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back to being kind. So, friendly reminder, all
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published material is fair game, so please listen
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at your own risk. And now we are going to go
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into Battle Brief, which is where we talk about
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personal and podcast news. I got my media server
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mostly up and running. Your what now? My media
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server. You guys maybe haven't been part of this
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conversation, but... I have had a media server
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running at my home for a long time now with a
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bunch of my personal media that I have downloaded
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or accumulated over time. And about a month ago,
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the company that I was using, their software
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is, they're called Plex and that's the name of
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the company and the software. They have been
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slowly over the last few years pivoting away
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from open source, free to use. We just want to
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make something that people will enjoy to... No,
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we want to make money. Um, and so they have switched
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to, if you would like to use our service and
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would like to have the ability to access your
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media from outside the house or the ability to
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download media to your devices for later enjoyment,
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when you don't have access to connection, you
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have to pay us a monthly fee or you can give
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us $250 right now and we'll count it as paid
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for life just for you. And so I made the, knee
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-jerk decision a couple of weeks ago that fuck
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it i'm done dealing with plex and so i moved
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over to a truly open source software called jelly
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fin and i've been it's a very fun name and so
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i've been slowly like learning how to use linux
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and this software and how like ssl certificates
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work so that you can have an https in an encrypted
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feed versus an unencrypted feed So that when
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I'm streaming my media from outside the house,
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nobody, people can't just be listening in and
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being like, ah, he's watching Downton Abbey.
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That reminds me of how Amazon was like, hey,
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so you know how we do like ebooks for your Kindle
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and all that cool stuff? Well. starting like
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in a month this ended this has already passed
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they're like starting in like a month you can't
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uh read it on anything other than a kindle yeah
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because they don't want it to be transferable
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and have people caught like making copies essentially
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yep so people are like um but i own this and
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it's not just like going forward it's like retroactive
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any anything that you've bought any ebooks that
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you've bought could you export the ebooks for
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other apps before yes yeah I never knew you could
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do that. I thought that they had to stay in Kindle
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forever. Now they do. With DRM. That's just another
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example of the digitizing of different media
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means that we truly don't own anything. And yeah,
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a lot of it is like, well, you don't actually
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own it because it's digital. You just get like...
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a permanent rental of this copy yeah but we can
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also retract it at any time yeah did you guys
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yeah no this is yeah yeah where it's just a passkey
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so before like you bought it and you owned it
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and you could like you could resell it yes yeah
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so this is what's happening is if you buy a nintendo
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game in physical form you get a little memory
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card you stick it in but that memory card is
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just a like she's saying a key that gives you
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permission to download the game from the server
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and play it but once you've registered that key
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it can only be played with your account yep so
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no more no more sharing games no more reselling
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no yeah i hate that i know i hate it too so even
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even physical meat some physical media is starting
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to be like no you don't really own that either
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yeah and hence why i'm clinging on to my physical
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books yeah last christmas last year i started
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buying like physical copies of movies and tv
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shows that i wanted to have and like getting
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hard copies of my favorite books that i didn't
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own and like also because once the apocalypse
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comes and society falls apart nothing digital
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will exist anymore so I'm also like I need to
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print out all of my writings and put them like
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the story I'm working on I need to print the
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entire thing out put it in the safe I don't have
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and see I'm the opposite direction of like I've
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made a purposeful effort of if I'm going to own
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something digital I want to have complete control
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over an unrestricted file myself With the knowledge
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that if the apocalypse truly hits and I absolutely
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need to find a way to get to my digital files,
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one way or another, I can find a solar panel
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to power on the lowest power device that I have
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and plug in a hard drive and just be like, here's
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this file and put it on my phone, which I'm going
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to try to always keep charged. Did I tell you
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guys that we're getting solar panels? Oh, thrilled
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for you. That's very exciting. It's taken a couple
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months to get through all of the consulting and
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the signing and the whatever, but we finally
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signed the final contract and made the down payment.
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So now we just need the guy to come out and decide
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when they're installing them. That is so exciting.
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I'm so happy for you. And in the future, because
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it's still going to be connected to the grid,
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in the future, when we have some more cash to
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burn again, we're going to invest in some batteries
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so that we can access the power when the power
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is out. Yep. And have it basically be like a
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pass through battery charge or battery standby.
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Yep. Nice. Speaking of the apocalypse. No, this
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is where I'm like the zombie apocalypse could
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hit any day now and I'd be perfectly happy. Just
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lock myself in my apartment, be very quiet with
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my headphones on for a couple of days. And then.
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just venture out and gather all the supplies
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that I need and I'm totally going to turn into
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what's -his -name that lived in his basement
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from The Last of Us, the gay love story. Probably
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you haven't gotten that far. That's the third
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episode. Well, we might not have actually gotten
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to the third episode then. The third episode
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is the best episode. No, and this is the problem.
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All of us keep talking about how much this third
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episode means to us and it keeps... Adding on
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pressure to them. Like, I remember them talking
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about how they got to the third episode, but
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they were so scared of it because I kept talking
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about it nonstop. Anyway, to bring this little
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tangent full circle, I'm watching season two
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of The Last of Us. I'm in like the last 20 minutes
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of the season finale. No spoilers. No, I'm doing
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everything I can not to give spoilers at all,
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other than I'm going to say this season will
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devastate you. See, and Tyler just came to me
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this morning because we haven't had time to start
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it yet. And he was like, yeah, so it ended. And
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everyone's saying that they just missed the mark
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the entire season. And it's not very good. And
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they changed a bunch of things from the game.
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And I'm like, you know what? It's an adaptation,
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first of all. Of course they changed things.
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I'm like, stop trying to color my perception
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before I even watch it. And I tend to disagree
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a lot of times with the common opinion. quote
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unquote and i'm like and i mean that's just his
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his side of the internet wherever he is and like
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that's the video game player perspective so like
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it's yeah i can respect that because having been
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an avatar person and watching the movie that
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shall not be named literally no oh i mean that's
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one movie case one movie there's no movie there
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is no movie in boston so like I try my best to
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respect it, but at the same time, as someone
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who doesn't play the video games and didn't know
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what the story was going to be going into the
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season, I am shooketh. I am shooketh. The episodes
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have been intense. I have a passing knowledge
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of the video games. I know that one of the video
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game writers is a writer for the show, but...
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I know that even in season one, people were very
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angry that Bella Ramsey was cast because, A,
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they're a non -binary actor. B, they're like,
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Ellie is supposed to be hot. It's supposed to
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be cuter than that. Like, she's supposed to be
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a 16 -year -old girl. And, of course, they were
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upset about the gay love story in episode three,
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which is ridiculous because it's like those characters
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are very... clearly gay in the video game too
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they just like they don't have this beautiful
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ending they end being like Fuck you. Like, I
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hate you. So I'm happy that that was changed.
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But apparently for season two, Ellie is supposed
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to be like hell bent on revenge. Like, I'm going
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to fucking kill everybody. I'm so brutal and
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And apparently
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Bella Ramsey's Ellie is just not that. Oh, no,
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you disagree. It is. OK, well, that's what I'm
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saying. It must be like there must be some level
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of difference that people are so upset about
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it not being as. intense or whatever i don't
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know because obviously i haven't seen it yet
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and so like this is my problem is i'm in the
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last 20 30 minutes of this episode and every
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like four minutes something changes and i have
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to pause it because i'm just like what fucking
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now all right now i'm going to send it over to
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our resident scribe john to break down the epigraph
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of chapter 13. We have another Colonel Kaori
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comment from his Field Guide to Dragonkind. There's
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nothing quite as humbling or as awe -inspiring
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as witnessing threshing. For those that lived
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through it, anyways. Insert tangent about the
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sublime and the beautiful and the romantic period.
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Yes. And tangent. It is, oh, it is very simple.
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It's succinct. It is to the point. Yeah, I love
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how many of his quotes end with, unless you die.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, death is a possibility
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in every stage of this hero's journey. So it
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is omnipresent. Alright, Cassie. I don't think
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we do, but do we have any new pronunciations
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to discuss in this one, or are we waiting until
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bonding occurs? We are good on this chapter,
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and I have a whole boatload to dump on you next
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time. Awesome. I'm looking forward to it. And
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that's not sarcasm. I really am looking forward
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to it. I just can't figure out what you guys
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enjoy more, hearing these interesting pronunciations
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or watching me cringe so visibly every time Cassie
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decides to say something, and I'm like, what
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the? Fuck. Absolutely both. It can be two things,
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Sean. All right. So I'm just going to go ahead
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and jump in, get us started. So we begin on the
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day of threshing. We learned that regardless
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of the day of the week, threshing is always October
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1st. Cassie has a finger up. Already? And you
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get mad at me. Oh, we're only three words into
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the chapter, Cassie. Yes, I know. And I'm bad
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because mine is just about the phrase October
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1st, which is two words. I just got really excited.
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I choked on my water. I got really excited when
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I was reading this because I was like, oh, I
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want to make an All Souls Day joke here about,
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you know, something about. You know, I didn't
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get all the way there with conceptualizing what
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the joke was because I instantly... It was a
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concept of a joke. Yeah, I instantly realized,
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oh no, that's November 1st. As long as we're
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talking about October, October is my favorite
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month. Hands down. Halloween is my favorite holiday.
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Both of my sons are born in October. Actually,
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one day. Separate. I didn't realize that was
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that close. Wow. Okay. Yep. So Theo is October
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23rd and Noah is October 24th. So they are one
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day short of being exactly four years apart.
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That's hilarious. Which is wild. So we did celebrate
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Noah's birthday from the hospital room with baby
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Theo. Anyways, October is my 100 % favorite month.
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I want to comment on less personal and more in
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storyline. This is honestly very interesting
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to me because this is the first date that we've
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gotten from the dragons that the dragons have
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almost seemed to dictate to the humans. Like,
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this is the first holiday or event or date where
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the dragons honor the date as much as the humans
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do. And so part of me wonders if we're going
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to find out the first six bonded on October 1st.
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Oh, I love that. I was going to say that maybe
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in the dragon calendar, it's the first day of
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the year, but I like yours better. I like yours
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better. I didn't even get to that sort of thing.
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I was just busy simmering over the use of October
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and Sunday and all of these. We've discussed
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this before. I don't think we need to rehash
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it. No, we don't. It came up again because of
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how many of the words we get. Yes, yes. Listen,
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it's, you know, hey. Nothing is out of the realm
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of possibility. This could be set in a very past
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or very future Earth. But the gods have changed.
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Because that happens never. Yeah. Religion never.
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5 ,000 years ago, Yahweh wasn't around. 3 ,000
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years ago, Yahweh was the biggest thing under
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the sun. Where's Yahweh now? Who knows what can
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happen in another 5 ,000? But they'll still be
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calling it Thor's Day. Yes. Well, we call it
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Thor's Day, essentially. We still have July and
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August because of Julius Caesar. So, hey. Hey.
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Anyways. But if they're going to do that, I want
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to know the lore. You know what? Maybe one day
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we'll get to it. Cassie, I'm going to... I'm
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going to gift you with the opportunity to create
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that lore. So you can write some fanfiction for
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us and describe why they use the Gregorian calendar.
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Or what we know as the Gregorian calendar. Anyways,
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okay. Let's keep going. So Violet repeats her
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ever -present mantra of, I will not die today.
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She skipped breakfast, unlike Riddick, who is
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experiencing dragon -induced morning sickness
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and heaving up systemic contents. That's a way
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to phrase it. I wrote, Rydock is sharing his
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breakfast with the class, like a mama bird. Or
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like a really big bird, like a penguin. Probably
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putting his whole body into it. Oh, goodness.
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Yeah. Thanks, Riddick. That's so kind of you
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to share with the class. Anyways, Rhiannon has
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a more productive way of getting her nerves out.
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She has her sword struck to her back and she's
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bouncing on her feet and stretching, getting
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herself ready. Kaori, meanwhile, is giving last
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-minute advice to listen to your heart when dragons
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are calling for you. Oh my god! There's nothing
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else you can do. Yeah, so... I just, that's my
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headcanon that that is how Riddick and Uhtrem
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bonded. They'd listen to your heart. And had
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a whole dance sequence in the middle of the forest
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where they danced at each other. Oh, like a bird.
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Yes. Anyways, so yes, they need to listen to
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their hearts as that's where they will feel it
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if a dragon is calling to them. As discussed
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in the last chapter, we get the number 147. remaining
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cadets, which means that the dragons found 22
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unworthy at presentation and or they met their
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demise sometime in the intervening time. Right.
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We learned that feelings are just as important
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as your surroundings, including the feeling telling
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you to run in the opposite direction. So trust
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your intuition. Rhiannon asks Violet which dragon
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she's going for. Vi doesn't know. She feels like
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a failure because she knows Meera already had
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her sights on Chenya at this point. And I believe
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this is actually coming from the Book of Brennan,
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not that this is something that Meera has told
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her. Because it does seem like... We learned
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that a lot of the things around dragons and their
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bonds are very hush hush. And she was surprised
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that Dane gave her like any information. So I
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think this is one of the little notes that Mira
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added into the Book of Brennan for Violet. That
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makes sense. It's interesting now that you mention
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it that we never actually get mention of Mira's
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addendums. Yeah, Mira's additions to the Book
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of Brennan. And so that's an interesting point.
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I just want to see her like writing in the margin
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and making footnotes and like underlining things.
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You mean like what we've been doing? Yeah. Yes.
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What our books look like. Because you know she's
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doing that. Yes, absolutely. So Rhiannon dares
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to question if our girl Violet Studia Sorngale
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has memorized the cards. Violet says, uh, duh,
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but she doesn't feel a connection to any of them.
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And I have a numbered list here. It's only two
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numbers. It's one and two. Those are the numbers.
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Naturally. But two things. So one. And Darna
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hatched four violet. But as a baby, I doubt that
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the others would take too kindly to her letting
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that be known. So she doesn't feel like a draw
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to any of them. So I don't think that the other
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dragons would be chill with her. We know that
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they're not chill with her bonding anyone, yes.
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So they're like, they allow it once it's already
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happened, but she can't be like putting out the
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feels to Violet because I feel like the other
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dragons would be like, the fuck are you doing?
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But also they're not putting out the feelers
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to her because they don't want to overstep any
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other claim, maybe? See, and this is where my
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second point comes in. John, go ahead, but I
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do have a second point. I was going to say, there
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could be another twist on this because remember
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in Onyx Storm we find out that Terran bonded
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Violet, and then Andarna attached herself as
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an irid to that bond, right? Yes. And so we may
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find out lore -wise that maybe true golden -scaled
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feathered younglings are incapable of the bond
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because they don't have the right connection
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to their magic yet. That's a good point. But
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because Andarna was an irid, she had connection
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to an alternative magic the other dragons didn't
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have that allowed her to attach herself. Okay,
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I can totally see that. My other point, my little
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headcanon. So we know that Scale has a soft spot
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for Andarna, and I think that the two of them,
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and possibly Taryn as well, hatched this plan
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where they're planning on basically, like, you,
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Taryn, are going to bond Violet. And they like
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concocted this whole thing. I don't know. This
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is a very like half -baked thought that I had
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as I was reading the chapter. But I'm wondering
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if maybe she doesn't feel a connection to any
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other dragons because Taryn or Scale told them
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to back the fuck off. Like stay away. And maybe
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not giving a reason as to why because it seems
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like a surprise to everyone that Taryn comes
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and bonds her. But I don't know. I don't know.
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Violet has a lot of great qualities. I would...
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I would be very shocked if no dragon, if there
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was no intervening thing, no dragon was like,
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I like her. Yeah. That's a very fair point. But
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to me, it does feel like Tarn didn't really make,
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he hadn't made up his mind about it until he
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saw her defending Andarna. That's why I think
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maybe Scale and Indorna have a little side plan.
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Like, we're going to manipulate this situation.
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They're going to make him think it was his idea.
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Yeah. And, like, there may be something to be
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said about the fact that there has been two days
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between presentation and now, and we never hear
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anything about what happens when two dragons
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want the same rider. We hear about what happens
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when two riders want the same dragon, but not
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the other way around. And so there definitely
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could be this pre -negotiation to ensure that
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dragons aren't fighting over riders. Yeah, maybe
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they're having a council meeting. Yeah, I can
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totally see that. And who knows? Maybe Andarna
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is the one that actually told them all to back
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off. And even though they don't intend to let
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her bond, they aren't going to get in her way
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because those be the rules. Like, there's so
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much we still don't understand about how the
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dragons operate. Like, I know that's such a thing
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that I keep saying, but it's going to become
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important. It has to. Yeah. But it is so much
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fun to theorize. Anyways, Violet notes that not
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feeling a connection is better than wanting a
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dragon that someone else wants. And we have my
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first quote here. I have no desire to fight to
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the death today. And poor child, it doesn't matter
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what your desire is. That is what is going to
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happen. That is what is going to happen, is what
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I just said. That is what's going to happen.
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So we learned that Dane tried to talk her into
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a brown. And I'm curious as to why, because I
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looked on the Empyrean Wiki and the only information
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that we have about the browns are that they are
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known for their loyalty and you do not show trepidation
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towards them. That's literally all we know. So
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I guess they're not called out for being ruthless
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or vicious. Yeah. So maybe they're away from
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the ones that are quick to anger and stuff. Yeah,
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but I feel like it would make more sense for
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Dane to urge her towards a green because they're
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more intelligent and rational. So I feel like
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that would make more sense to keep her safe.
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But also remember, Dane is bonded to a brown
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himself. No, he's bonded to a red. Is Kath red?
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Let's go back to episode two when we talked about
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all the red dragons in the story. Dane's dragon
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is... I'll top you. Might as well just start
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looking at the table of writers at the beginning
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of Onyx Storm. He's red. Because remember they
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go behind a red dragon statue and I called it
00:25:00.299 --> 00:25:03.480
out that it was like his dragon. Riddick's dragon
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is a brown. Okay. Dane is not listed on this
00:25:09.819 --> 00:25:14.500
table at all. That is fun. Kath is a red sword
00:25:14.500 --> 00:25:18.400
tail. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Maybe he thinks that
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because Mamasaur and Gale's dragon is a brown,
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then that would... give her some protection somehow
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i don't know i just think it's a really silly
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unless that unless they know more that is being
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told on the page which i feel like violet's very
00:25:31.059 --> 00:25:33.799
good at telling us what we need to know i don't
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know i just think it's kind of a silly so let's
00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:40.019
take that let's take that train of thought a
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little bit further here if he was trying to talk
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her into a brown because mama soren gale is bonded
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to a brown i wonder if The whole bonding within
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the familial line thing has any merit when it
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comes to dragon lines as well. So what would
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happen if one of eight or not atrium? Amish's?
00:25:59.740 --> 00:26:03.299
Amster's? Yeah, Amster's children or someone
00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:08.160
in Amster's line were to bond one of Mama Sorangil's
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:11.559
children. Would that result in a stronger signet
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:17.920
as well? Good question. I don't know. Again,
00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:20.220
something that we just don't know about the dragons.
00:26:20.859 --> 00:26:22.559
So much we don't know. I just thought it was
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:24.940
weird that he was, I don't know, like trying
00:26:24.940 --> 00:26:27.059
to talk her into a brown as if she's the one
00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:28.759
that gets to make the choice. And I'm just like,
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.640
dang, just step back. She doesn't have any say
00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:36.759
right now. Yep, yep. Free will and agency have
00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:40.940
flown out of the window. Yes. Yes, they have.
00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:46.390
And a dragon has flown in. Rhiannon says that
00:26:46.390 --> 00:26:49.490
Dane lost his vote when he again tried to convince
00:26:49.490 --> 00:26:52.170
her to leave. But this is a little hint that
00:26:52.170 --> 00:26:54.869
Violet is actually confiding in Rhiannon. So
00:26:54.869 --> 00:26:58.109
yay. Yay for that. We're learning slowly but
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surely. So that was her only conversation with
00:27:02.170 --> 00:27:03.789
Dane in the past two days since presentation.
00:27:04.230 --> 00:27:06.869
And it most likely ended because he jumped right
00:27:06.869 --> 00:27:09.369
into getting her to leave. So I think that she's
00:27:09.369 --> 00:27:11.650
probably been within the first five minutes of
00:27:11.650 --> 00:27:15.190
talking to her. Yeah. So I think that most likely
00:27:15.190 --> 00:27:17.170
she's been avoiding him because she's like, I
00:27:17.170 --> 00:27:18.509
don't want to deal with you. I don't want to
00:27:18.509 --> 00:27:21.329
deal with you and your doubting and trying to,
00:27:21.430 --> 00:27:24.869
you know, your suffocating concern, like trying
00:27:24.869 --> 00:27:29.430
to get me to leave. So, so far today, they haven't
00:27:29.430 --> 00:27:31.430
seen anyone outside of the professors and their
00:27:31.430 --> 00:27:34.109
fellow unbonded cadets. But as we learned from
00:27:34.109 --> 00:27:36.130
Dane, the second and third years will be watching
00:27:36.130 --> 00:27:42.269
and they are not allowed to intervene. Rhiannon
00:27:42.269 --> 00:27:44.569
says she's thinking about, quote, that green,
00:27:44.670 --> 00:27:47.529
one of the ones that approached Violet in presentation
00:27:47.529 --> 00:27:54.549
because of Chenya's scale under her armor or
00:27:54.549 --> 00:28:00.410
in her armor. I'm struggling, you guys. You keep
00:28:00.410 --> 00:28:02.210
saying Chenya and I keep trying to figure out
00:28:02.210 --> 00:28:03.990
which dragon you're talking about, forgetting
00:28:03.990 --> 00:28:06.369
that you're talking about time. Are you proud
00:28:06.369 --> 00:28:07.750
of me, Cassie? I'm very proud of you. Are you
00:28:07.750 --> 00:28:11.990
so proud of me? I'm giving you a mental round
00:28:11.990 --> 00:28:16.710
of applause every time. Thank you. So Violet
00:28:16.710 --> 00:28:18.750
and Rhiannon both take it as a good sign that
00:28:18.750 --> 00:28:20.950
it didn't eat Rhiannon when it got up close.
00:28:21.869 --> 00:28:24.730
Kaori says that the statistics show it is much
00:28:24.730 --> 00:28:27.029
better to go alone, something that the little
00:28:27.029 --> 00:28:30.230
incel bitch boy club immediately ignores, as
00:28:30.230 --> 00:28:32.950
Oren and Tynan flank motherfucking Jack Barlow,
00:28:32.990 --> 00:28:35.690
who makes a throat -slitting motion to Violet,
00:28:35.690 --> 00:28:39.819
which she notes as being very original. Yep.
00:28:39.819 --> 00:28:42.420
And I'm just imagining the three of them as like
00:28:42.420 --> 00:28:45.079
a musical gang, a la West Side Story, like the
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.480
snapping. Like the aggressive snapping. Yes,
00:28:49.059 --> 00:28:52.079
yes. That's my favorite musical, by the way.
00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:55.339
Versus my brain is like, at this point, we need
00:28:55.339 --> 00:28:59.000
to start making some like audio. sound effect
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.279
things for motherfucking jack barlow and little
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.619
bitch boy incel club so that every time it comes
00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:07.640
up we have like uh one of us does it which is
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:09.799
little bitch boy incel club in the background
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:14.059
so if any of our listeners are so inclined we
00:29:14.059 --> 00:29:17.440
would love for submissions and inspiration for
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.460
sound effects that we can use when we discuss
00:29:19.460 --> 00:29:22.299
motherfucking jack barlow and little little incel
00:29:22.299 --> 00:29:26.990
bitch boy club Yes, email us at thewingwriters
00:29:26.990 --> 00:29:32.910
at gmail .com. So some random guy asks what happens
00:29:32.910 --> 00:29:35.470
if they don't bond by dinner. Kaori says they'll
00:29:35.470 --> 00:29:38.309
be brought out by a professor or senior leadership.
00:29:38.769 --> 00:29:41.910
It is nearly nine, meaning the dragons are inbound.
00:29:42.029 --> 00:29:46.009
He wishes them good luck before leaving. Violet
00:29:46.009 --> 00:29:48.109
realizes that she will either leave as a writer
00:29:48.109 --> 00:29:51.990
or probably not leave at all. Rhiannon, Violet,
00:29:52.009 --> 00:29:54.670
and Riddick hug, wishing each other luck. Riddick
00:29:54.670 --> 00:29:57.549
says, don't die. And I just wrote a little note
00:29:57.549 --> 00:29:59.529
that I'm sad that Sawyer isn't included yet.
00:29:59.609 --> 00:30:02.089
Like, they become close soon. But I'm like, where's
00:30:02.089 --> 00:30:03.670
Sawyer? Also, he could have answered all their
00:30:03.670 --> 00:30:05.390
questions about what happens if you don't bond.
00:30:06.150 --> 00:30:11.430
Yep, yep. So we get one last group hug, and then
00:30:11.430 --> 00:30:14.470
they're off. I have one kind of general note
00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:18.980
here about my experience on rereading. The first
00:30:18.980 --> 00:30:22.680
few times I read this, my brain was in full main
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.420
character plot armor mode. They're going to be
00:30:25.420 --> 00:30:29.440
fine. I'm not stressed out at all. But I was
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:31.380
already a little bit anxious when I was rereading
00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:35.920
it this time. And I was thinking more about what
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:38.359
the actual stakes going into this are for them.
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:43.460
Without the benefit of hindsight. It was making
00:30:43.460 --> 00:30:46.579
me so anxious I had to stop reading and come
00:30:46.579 --> 00:30:53.970
back later. It's intense. It is intense. You
00:30:53.970 --> 00:30:56.210
don't just have to worry about the dragons. You
00:30:56.210 --> 00:31:00.150
gotta worry about all the little assholes running
00:31:00.150 --> 00:31:05.519
around. So we jump into it a few hours later.
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:08.220
Violet has come across several dragons, including
00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:11.240
two greens, one brown, four oranges, and now
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.200
a red. She immediately knows that this is not
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:16.920
her dragon. Yes, a little fruit basket of dragons.
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:20.200
So she immediately knows this is not her dragon
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.680
and makes sure to avoid eye contact. Violet has
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.119
seen both bonded dragons slash riders flying
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.480
off as well as... more incinerations and knows
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.500
she needs to be careful. The red moves on and
00:31:33.500 --> 00:31:35.539
Violet notes that she's met a dragon of every
00:31:35.539 --> 00:31:37.720
color and no hint of connection, which is funny
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.519
because the two dragons that she bonds are none
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:45.940
of those colors. She fears she is not going to
00:31:45.940 --> 00:31:50.470
be bonded. She says, What if I'm one of the cadets
00:31:50.470 --> 00:31:52.769
who's destined to never become a writer? One
00:31:52.769 --> 00:31:55.309
who's thrown back time and again to restart first
00:31:55.309 --> 00:31:57.410
year until eventually something puts me on the
00:31:57.410 --> 00:31:59.650
death roll? And here is where we get an answer
00:31:59.650 --> 00:32:02.829
to our quandary of do they just get to repeat
00:32:02.829 --> 00:32:05.150
once and then they either are killed by dragons
00:32:05.150 --> 00:32:07.789
or have to go to a different branch? So it does
00:32:07.789 --> 00:32:09.890
seem like they can choose to repeat indefinitely
00:32:09.890 --> 00:32:13.390
until they either bond or die. In some way, shape,
00:32:13.410 --> 00:32:18.049
or form. I'm sorry, I'm just imagining that poor
00:32:18.049 --> 00:32:20.190
motherfucker that survived this three times.
00:32:20.190 --> 00:32:22.650
Like a super senior. Like super, super senior.
00:32:22.910 --> 00:32:25.390
Right, and like, just fuck it, I'll do it again.
00:32:26.869 --> 00:32:30.130
One of them's gonna want me eventually. Eventually.
00:32:30.390 --> 00:32:36.430
Maybe if I kill enough people this time. So Violet
00:32:36.430 --> 00:32:38.349
wants to get a better perspective, both literally
00:32:38.349 --> 00:32:43.170
and figuratively, which I wrote Zugma. So she
00:32:43.170 --> 00:32:45.690
climbs about three -fourths of the way up a tree
00:32:45.690 --> 00:32:49.170
and surveys the valley. The reds, browns, and...
00:32:49.170 --> 00:32:51.930
I wrote the reds, browns, and reds. The reds,
00:32:51.930 --> 00:32:54.049
browns, and oranges are blending in, but she
00:32:54.049 --> 00:32:57.130
sees some greens. Still doesn't feel any pull,
00:32:57.289 --> 00:33:00.109
though. She does feel validated because she can
00:33:00.109 --> 00:33:02.750
see at least six cadets still wandering about.
00:33:03.369 --> 00:33:05.529
And then catches a golden glint in a clearing,
00:33:05.750 --> 00:33:08.509
guessing that the Feathertail is watching in
00:33:08.509 --> 00:33:13.789
curiosity. Quote. She says, I'm apparently not
00:33:13.789 --> 00:33:16.349
going to find my dragon up a tree. So I climbed
00:33:16.349 --> 00:33:18.089
down carefully and as quietly as possible. I'm
00:33:18.089 --> 00:33:20.690
like, you just did. You just did find your dragon
00:33:20.690 --> 00:33:27.880
up a tree. So she climbs down, immediately highs
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:29.799
because she hears some voices. And of course,
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:31.559
it's motherfucking Jack Barlow and the Little
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:34.640
Incel Bitch Boys, who are now a music group in
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:38.759
my brain. I wrote, they're on their farewell
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.160
tour because tragedy will turn the trio into
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:44.849
a duo. Our little music group, they're hunting
00:33:44.849 --> 00:33:48.549
down Indarna. And again, how are the other dragons
00:33:48.549 --> 00:33:51.390
not immediately killing them? Do they not have
00:33:51.390 --> 00:33:53.769
the urge to protect Indarna because she made
00:33:53.769 --> 00:33:56.609
the choice to leave the safety of the veil? There
00:33:56.609 --> 00:33:58.309
should be a point of pride, though. You can't
00:33:58.309 --> 00:34:00.930
just set the precedent of letting humans kill
00:34:00.930 --> 00:34:03.970
your kind. I know. I'm so confused. Or maybe
00:34:03.970 --> 00:34:05.609
they just don't see it as a real threat because
00:34:05.609 --> 00:34:08.230
they're like... puny humans she can handle herself
00:34:08.230 --> 00:34:11.389
she can just fly away like she does yeah yeah
00:34:11.389 --> 00:34:14.449
okay and then i also have this note here that
00:34:14.449 --> 00:34:17.550
we can get into a little further down the road
00:34:17.550 --> 00:34:22.170
but how does after this how does motherfucking
00:34:22.170 --> 00:34:24.610
jack barlow bond a goddamn dragon right how is
00:34:24.610 --> 00:34:26.929
any dragon wanting him and then i'm like okay
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:29.840
We know that later on he's controlling his dragon
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.440
through his Venom power. So does he just manipulate
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.539
the dragon already by channeling the earth? Like
00:34:35.539 --> 00:34:38.780
somehow. Or is he somehow like, is this why they're
00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:40.239
not getting attacked while they're wandering
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:44.599
through the. What are we in again? A canyon?
00:34:44.780 --> 00:34:48.250
A valley? Thank you. yeah my my brain went field
00:34:48.250 --> 00:34:50.409
for some reason i'm like that's not right um
00:34:50.409 --> 00:34:53.329
as he's like wandering through the trees going
00:34:53.329 --> 00:34:56.389
i'm gonna kill a dragon maybe he's using venom
00:34:56.389 --> 00:34:58.510
power somehow to like make it so the dragons
00:34:58.510 --> 00:35:02.789
are just not recognizing the threat yeah possibly
00:35:02.789 --> 00:35:09.929
yeah yeah i just yeah i don't see how any dragon
00:35:09.929 --> 00:35:12.369
unless there's one that for some reason is like,
00:35:12.429 --> 00:35:15.030
yeah, fuck Andarna. Like for whatever reason
00:35:15.030 --> 00:35:17.929
would be like, oh, Jack. Yeah. Hell yeah. I dig
00:35:17.929 --> 00:35:20.170
you. Anyways, we can talk about that more later.
00:35:21.429 --> 00:35:23.829
So Violet is strapped with her daggers but feels
00:35:23.829 --> 00:35:27.130
inadequate compared to their swords. There's
00:35:27.130 --> 00:35:28.849
a note about swords being heavy. I feel like
00:35:28.849 --> 00:35:31.690
we should skip that for now. Rich for conversation
00:35:31.690 --> 00:35:34.889
later. Yes. Drew is reading through the books
00:35:34.889 --> 00:35:38.050
and had a note about that that we have arguments
00:35:38.050 --> 00:35:39.610
about. I might just cut this out because it's
00:35:39.610 --> 00:35:43.630
way too big. Anyways. I did wonder when they're
00:35:43.630 --> 00:35:45.949
talking about maybe we should just go look for
00:35:45.949 --> 00:35:48.409
our own dragons instead of doing this silly fool's
00:35:48.409 --> 00:35:53.769
errand. And Jack is like, oh, no, don't worry.
00:35:53.849 --> 00:35:55.389
They'll still be there. And I was like, well,
00:35:55.449 --> 00:35:57.230
but what if they won't? Like, what if they get
00:35:57.230 --> 00:35:58.989
tired of waiting for you and decide you're not
00:35:58.989 --> 00:36:01.969
worth it anymore? Or, like, somebody else bonds
00:36:01.969 --> 00:36:06.570
them or someone else burns you first. Or you
00:36:06.570 --> 00:36:09.070
get knocked unconscious because someone decides
00:36:09.070 --> 00:36:12.269
to let you live. Yeah, it's hubris. Or if you're
00:36:12.269 --> 00:36:14.170
tiny and you get burnt to a crisp before you
00:36:14.170 --> 00:36:17.369
can even make it. Like, I'm just saying, there
00:36:17.369 --> 00:36:20.159
are consequences you haven't considered. Yeah,
00:36:20.179 --> 00:36:22.000
they're talking about that the scrawny one is
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:23.840
going to get someone killed. And I just wrote
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:27.260
the parallels because obviously Andarna is a
00:36:27.260 --> 00:36:30.820
dragon stand in for Violet. Violet doesn't think
00:36:30.820 --> 00:36:32.659
that anyone, especially the dragons, would take
00:36:32.659 --> 00:36:35.980
too kindly to them killing her. The trio heads
00:36:35.980 --> 00:36:38.139
towards the clearing where Violet saw the golden.
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:42.159
And as Jack is talking about the goldens refusing
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.860
to fight, being useless in combat. Violet states
00:36:45.860 --> 00:36:48.219
that no one knows anything about the Goldens.
00:36:48.219 --> 00:36:51.900
And I just wrote, except your dad, Violet. But
00:36:51.900 --> 00:36:54.559
I want to emphasize here, he doesn't use the
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:58.619
word Goldens. He uses Feathertails when he references
00:36:58.619 --> 00:37:01.420
them. Yeah, sorry. That is what I meant. That
00:37:01.420 --> 00:37:03.559
is what I meant. So, like, I'm sitting here thinking
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:06.480
they refuse to fight. He knows they refuse to
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.360
fight. I don't think the Vanin know that the
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.039
Irids have left. The hold. I think that they
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:15.940
think the Irids are still hiding in the valley
00:37:15.940 --> 00:37:18.900
somewhere. See, and here I have a note kind of
00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:21.340
related to that. So first I wrote, where is he
00:37:21.340 --> 00:37:24.260
getting his info? Obviously, the Venon. The Venon
00:37:24.260 --> 00:37:27.239
know more about dragons than we do. Because Violet's
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:28.900
even like, nobody knows about the Feathertails.
00:37:28.940 --> 00:37:32.539
How are you getting this information? And I do
00:37:32.539 --> 00:37:34.699
think that they know that Feathertails are babies.
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.539
And we also know that Theophany knows about the
00:37:37.539 --> 00:37:41.449
Irids. Wait, who knows that they're babies? I
00:37:41.449 --> 00:37:43.550
think that just the Venon do. I think they have
00:37:43.550 --> 00:37:46.150
that information. But Theophany knows about the
00:37:46.150 --> 00:37:49.170
Irids before anyone else does. But also thought
00:37:49.170 --> 00:37:53.690
that they might be a myth. Did she? Okay, that
00:37:53.690 --> 00:37:55.150
throws my thing out the window then. There's
00:37:55.150 --> 00:37:59.230
just a lot of conflation of the adult Irid feather
00:37:59.230 --> 00:38:03.210
tales and the golden baby feather tales. Yeah.
00:38:03.969 --> 00:38:08.230
Yeah. And because I wrote, like, is he knowingly
00:38:08.230 --> 00:38:10.949
trying to take... and darn it out knowing that
00:38:10.949 --> 00:38:14.030
she is an irid or is like could be an irid or
00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:16.309
something like that because he is like so hell
00:38:16.309 --> 00:38:19.590
-bent on killing her and i'm like i don't know
00:38:19.590 --> 00:38:23.449
i don't know I also love this comment that they're
00:38:23.449 --> 00:38:26.309
useless in combat when you really think about
00:38:26.309 --> 00:38:28.690
it. And Darna has been one of the more useful
00:38:28.690 --> 00:38:33.150
combat elements in their negotiations. She's,
00:38:33.150 --> 00:38:35.590
as a baby, definitely not refusing to fight.
00:38:35.690 --> 00:38:38.710
Like her people, the Irids, sure. But babies?
00:38:39.409 --> 00:38:42.670
No, they're full of vim and vigor and ready to
00:38:42.670 --> 00:38:46.070
bite things. Right? Yes. So it does seem that
00:38:46.070 --> 00:38:49.070
they have the information about the Feathertail
00:38:49.070 --> 00:38:53.289
Irids. And like, I just, I think about the fact
00:38:53.289 --> 00:38:55.989
that they can, once they reach maturity, the
00:38:55.989 --> 00:38:58.170
fact that they can be basically become stealth
00:38:58.170 --> 00:39:02.289
dragons. Yes, yeah. The number of times Andarna
00:39:02.289 --> 00:39:05.130
has appeared out of nowhere and now I'm just
00:39:05.130 --> 00:39:09.869
going to incinerate you. Yep, yep. Violet realizes
00:39:09.869 --> 00:39:12.369
that no one is coming to stop them and worries
00:39:12.369 --> 00:39:14.409
about the golden's ability to protect herself.
00:39:14.670 --> 00:39:18.719
And just in my notes. Disclaimer, I go back and
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:20.800
forth between calling her the golden and Andarna
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:24.239
and it and her because, again, I have no internal
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.519
consistency. But Violet sighs in resignation
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:31.500
and knows that she has to at least try to warn
00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:34.619
it. She goes quickly and quietly, relying on
00:39:34.619 --> 00:39:36.880
her experiences of playing hide and seek in the
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:39.920
woods with Dane. Then she trips over a branch,
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:44.369
her ankle popping, and she goes down. As someone
00:39:44.369 --> 00:39:47.909
who has sprained her ankle several times. Ouch.
00:39:48.530 --> 00:39:50.730
Ouchy, ouchy, ouch. I haven't actually sprained
00:39:50.730 --> 00:39:52.949
my ankle, but my right ankle is the one that's
00:39:52.949 --> 00:39:54.929
having problems right now. And it's the only
00:39:54.929 --> 00:39:57.989
one that ever has problems. So I relate it to
00:39:57.989 --> 00:39:59.989
not being able to walk on it very well. Yes.
00:40:00.230 --> 00:40:03.409
Yep. I've sprained my right ankle three times.
00:40:04.489 --> 00:40:08.110
I believe three times. Ouch. And every time I
00:40:08.110 --> 00:40:09.889
thought it was broken because it was making some
00:40:09.889 --> 00:40:12.650
not good grindy feely noises and I couldn't put
00:40:12.650 --> 00:40:15.829
any weight on it. Yeah. Not fun. As someone who
00:40:15.829 --> 00:40:20.570
has broken their right foot. Very recently, in
00:40:20.570 --> 00:40:24.750
fact. I can tell you the noises aren't so much
00:40:24.750 --> 00:40:26.789
the thing. The not walking on it. That was new
00:40:26.789 --> 00:40:29.690
to me. Like, I have never experienced pain like
00:40:29.690 --> 00:40:31.769
that until I tried to put weight on my foot after
00:40:31.769 --> 00:40:36.659
I broke it. Hot damn. But yeah, no, I, I, my
00:40:36.659 --> 00:40:39.619
sympathy goes out to anybody who injures an extremity
00:40:39.619 --> 00:40:43.960
below their hips. Like it takes out half your
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:48.079
body. And this calf is still like twice as big
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:53.619
as this calf. Yeah. Yep. Yep. It fucked you up
00:40:53.619 --> 00:40:58.920
for sure. So Violet cannot block out this pain.
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.539
And she limps the last few feet into the clearing,
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:04.960
beating the trio. It is a huge clearing with
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.599
the golden right in the center, just waiting
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:12.139
for Violet. Violet tries to shoo her away and
00:41:12.139 --> 00:41:15.099
Darna pivots her head towards Violet, blinks
00:41:15.099 --> 00:41:17.599
and swishes her tail like, oh, hey, it's you.
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:21.519
Hey, girlie. Hey, what's up? I just like how
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:23.920
Violet's like literally like, get out of here.
00:41:23.980 --> 00:41:31.619
Go on. And calls her Goldie. yes get out of here
00:41:31.619 --> 00:41:34.460
notably violet is very much breaking the rules
00:41:34.460 --> 00:41:41.340
here because you don't talk to dragons this is
00:41:41.340 --> 00:41:44.420
just like when you're trying to like to continue
00:41:44.420 --> 00:41:46.300
the cat comparison when you're trying to hurt
00:41:46.300 --> 00:41:48.820
a cat and you're like come on move and they're
00:41:48.820 --> 00:41:51.280
just like i'm just gonna roll over on my back
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:55.519
because you're giving me attention Yeah. Or when
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.400
you try to take them for a walk on a leash and
00:41:57.400 --> 00:41:59.639
they just lay down and get dragged. Yep. Yes.
00:42:01.179 --> 00:42:05.079
No, you can't make me do anything. No. And it's
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:08.559
going back to John, you had said that she's not,
00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:10.000
you're not supposed to talk to dragons unless
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.739
you're bonded. This is just yet another example
00:42:12.739 --> 00:42:15.960
of Violet choosing to break the rules because
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.539
something is morally wrong. Yeah. And do we have
00:42:19.539 --> 00:42:21.460
a little bit of an autistic coded violate here?
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.340
With a strong moral compass that doesn't necessarily
00:42:25.340 --> 00:42:28.800
line up with established rules. Yeah, I was just
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:30.159
thinking about this the other day because there
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:33.679
are so many ways where rule following is autistic
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:36.079
and so many ways where breaking the rules is.
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.199
So I was trying to figure out what's the pattern
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.820
here because obviously I had to figure out the
00:42:40.820 --> 00:42:45.900
rules. And basically what I came up with is when
00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:50.360
you're given... explicit rules with consequences
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:53.320
or basically just if they're written out and
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:55.219
handed to you probably by default you're going
00:42:55.219 --> 00:42:56.639
to follow them but as soon as there's something
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.780
that you either it's unspoken it's like a social
00:42:59.780 --> 00:43:03.360
rule or it doesn't really have real consequences
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:07.119
other than like oh people might dislike you or
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.039
there's you have a moral objection to it then
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:11.380
you're just like i'm gonna throw these ones out
00:43:11.380 --> 00:43:15.510
the window yeah um adding to that If you don't
00:43:15.510 --> 00:43:17.909
understand why it's a rule. Right. Right. Yeah.
00:43:18.150 --> 00:43:21.389
That's another big one for me. Hence my stop,
00:43:21.469 --> 00:43:28.800
drop, and roll comments. Yes. Yes. yeah what
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.000
that makes me think of is like i don't relate
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.800
with a lot of that but cassie has heard me say
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:37.079
this before when i start a new job and i like
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.599
am being taught how to do something in an office
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:41.960
for the first time and they go to show me something
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:45.360
and i say why do you do it that way a because
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.460
i know a better way or b because i can come up
00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:49.139
with three better ways off the top of my head
00:43:49.139 --> 00:43:52.690
right now without any hesitation And the answer
00:43:52.690 --> 00:43:55.969
I get back is, oh, that's the way we've always
00:43:55.969 --> 00:43:59.250
done it. As soon as I hear that phrase and I
00:43:59.250 --> 00:44:01.650
have warned every employer that has hired me
00:44:01.650 --> 00:44:05.829
for 10 years now, if I hear that phrase, I will
00:44:05.829 --> 00:44:08.170
not be doing it. It will be changing. I will
00:44:08.170 --> 00:44:10.630
make it my life mission and I will die on that
00:44:10.630 --> 00:44:13.809
hill before I ever back down. Oh, I agree. I
00:44:13.809 --> 00:44:17.809
agree. I am notoriously bad at training people
00:44:17.809 --> 00:44:22.039
because I always find a. better way to do things,
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.039
at least for myself, that isn't exactly the way
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:26.639
that it's quote unquote supposed to be done,
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:28.519
but I find it to be either more efficient or
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.000
makes more sense in my own brain. And so I will
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.300
try to teach it that way, but then it never makes
00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:36.360
sense to anybody else. And so I'm like, oh, ooh,
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:40.860
I'm sorry. So Violet realizes that this isn't
00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:43.440
going too well and motherfucking Jack Barlow
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.739
and his cronies enter the clearing with their
00:44:45.739 --> 00:44:49.820
weapons drawn. And Darna starts growling. Motherfucking
00:44:49.820 --> 00:44:52.699
Jack Barlow says they will make it painless.
00:44:52.739 --> 00:44:55.420
And I'm like, what the fuck, dude? Like, are
00:44:55.420 --> 00:44:59.159
you like reassuring like Oren who is like having
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.420
trouble with this? Are you insuring and Darna?
00:45:02.539 --> 00:45:04.559
Like, I don't know. I just think this is a ridiculous
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:06.119
thing. I don't think you care about making it
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.059
painless. And also, is that even possible? That's
00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:10.940
what I was going to say is can you name a way
00:45:10.940 --> 00:45:14.199
to kill somebody with weapons that will ever
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.670
be painless for zero amount of time? Like you
00:45:17.670 --> 00:45:21.170
can minimize how long it'll be painful. I feel
00:45:21.170 --> 00:45:24.130
like decapitation, it's like such an, like a
00:45:24.130 --> 00:45:26.329
fraction of a second that maybe not. But then
00:45:26.329 --> 00:45:28.110
maybe your head's going to stay living for a
00:45:28.110 --> 00:45:30.610
minute. Well, or like you lose connection to
00:45:30.610 --> 00:45:33.150
the nerves. Like that's the problem is you may
00:45:33.150 --> 00:45:34.789
lose connection to the nerves, but there is some
00:45:34.789 --> 00:45:36.730
amount of time where there's oxygen in your body
00:45:36.730 --> 00:45:39.309
and you are still functioning above the neck
00:45:39.309 --> 00:45:42.630
and the nerves may be severed, but they're still
00:45:42.630 --> 00:45:47.699
connected to your brain. Yeah. And so, There's,
00:45:47.699 --> 00:45:52.199
like, any way to kill somebody that doesn't involve
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:56.000
first sedating them will never truly be painless
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:57.780
because they will experience the pain no matter
00:45:57.780 --> 00:46:02.179
what. I think the second most painless is the
00:46:02.179 --> 00:46:04.199
fire option because it's literally incinerating
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:09.260
all your nerves. Yeah. And so they can't send
00:46:09.260 --> 00:46:12.300
those signals anymore. And like you can make
00:46:12.300 --> 00:46:14.480
an argument that dragon fire could be considered
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.619
painless because it's so hot and so effective
00:46:17.619 --> 00:46:19.780
that you're dead before it can even get up to
00:46:19.780 --> 00:46:22.239
your brain. Right. The nerves are incinerated
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.440
before an entirety before they can communicate
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:28.780
shit. Yep. Yeah. But I don't see any dragon fire
00:46:28.780 --> 00:46:33.800
coming out of Jack Bartlett's mouth. Amen. Unless.
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.949
Not that it would work. Remember. Not his own
00:46:37.949 --> 00:46:40.610
anyway. Maybe if he opens his mouth while being
00:46:40.610 --> 00:46:48.469
burned. I need to start doing a John Faze plump
00:46:48.469 --> 00:47:00.510
count. That's two right there. Oh my god. So
00:47:00.510 --> 00:47:04.639
Violet tells the golden tube, blast them. doesn't
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:08.760
blast them and violet feels sure that it just
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:12.659
cannot she likens the dragon to herself and realizes
00:47:12.659 --> 00:47:17.039
that she needs to intervene because this is wrong
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:21.159
even if it may end her life She walks through
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:23.079
her pain so that they cannot see she is injured
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:26.340
and says that they can't do this. Motherfucking
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:28.639
Jack Barlow is like, excellent, a BOGO sale,
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.039
then says he's been looking forward to this.
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:44.940
And three. tells the golden to fly away and it
00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:47.460
chuffs at her and this is probably Indarna saying
00:47:47.460 --> 00:47:53.219
yeah right and miss the show Violet says you
00:47:53.219 --> 00:47:56.079
cannot kill a dragon and hones in on Orin who
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:58.820
is the moral weak link she says they'll have
00:47:58.820 --> 00:48:01.300
to go through her raising her daggers in the
00:48:01.300 --> 00:48:04.579
throwing position and Jack's like great should
00:48:04.579 --> 00:48:07.099
be fun and they lift their swords and I just
00:48:07.099 --> 00:48:11.809
wrote Do they have choreography? Because I imagine
00:48:11.809 --> 00:48:13.530
they're like practicing in the mirror like, okay,
00:48:13.590 --> 00:48:17.050
and then we'll all lift our swords. And three,
00:48:17.210 --> 00:48:20.429
two, wait, five, six, seven, eight. It's almost
00:48:20.429 --> 00:48:23.769
like Charlie's Angels. I'm sorry. Yes, yes, yes,
00:48:23.769 --> 00:48:31.510
yes, yes, yes. Then Zayden says. I would strongly
00:48:31.510 --> 00:48:36.829
recommend you rethink your actions. And I strongly
00:48:36.829 --> 00:48:39.530
believe that's because he has full confidence
00:48:39.530 --> 00:48:41.889
in Violet being able to kick their motherfucking
00:48:41.889 --> 00:48:45.650
asses. He's like, you need to rethink this, not
00:48:45.650 --> 00:48:48.010
because of me, not because of Indarna, not because
00:48:48.010 --> 00:48:50.269
of Scale. You need to rethink this because of
00:48:50.269 --> 00:48:54.230
Violet. He is casually leaning against a tree
00:48:54.230 --> 00:48:57.269
in his signature arms crossed stance. I'm totally
00:48:57.269 --> 00:49:01.050
not invested. Yeah, I'm totally chill and relaxed
00:49:01.050 --> 00:49:05.449
and do not care. And Scale is flanked behind
00:49:05.449 --> 00:49:09.809
him. And she is there looking out for Andarna.
00:49:10.010 --> 00:49:13.530
And that is the end of the chapter. I feel like
00:49:13.530 --> 00:49:15.610
we actually breezed through this one, you guys.
00:49:16.869 --> 00:49:19.389
That's what I was about to say is we barely hit
00:49:19.389 --> 00:49:22.670
45 minutes. I'll obviously add the later the
00:49:22.670 --> 00:49:25.050
chat we already had. And then you'll cut my little
00:49:25.050 --> 00:49:30.179
horrible joke. motherfucker yeah we flew through
00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:32.400
that we did a great job on this one I do have
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:35.380
two thoughts that might add a short couple minutes
00:49:35.380 --> 00:49:41.159
my first thought is like how does this not count
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:45.139
on some level as interference like he's not doing
00:49:45.139 --> 00:49:48.599
anything but words still are having an effect
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:55.739
on what the cadets are doing and thinking and
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:59.340
words literally count as actions in some settings
00:49:59.340 --> 00:50:03.639
like yeah i would guess that the codex probably
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.639
is like you cannot physically intervene i i think
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:09.840
they maybe it doesn't say that but i feel like
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.150
they definitely put more put more weight into
00:50:13.150 --> 00:50:15.889
actions over words. And he does say in the next
00:50:15.889 --> 00:50:17.889
chapter, like, there's nothing wrong with narrating.
00:50:18.030 --> 00:50:22.829
Yeah, we'll get there. So the one thing I will
00:50:22.829 --> 00:50:26.630
say with that is the Dragon Riders Codex is both
00:50:26.630 --> 00:50:31.010
notoriously short and notoriously vague in a
00:50:31.010 --> 00:50:34.869
number of areas. And so what I would argue is
00:50:34.869 --> 00:50:38.690
I don't think there's any qualifications on the
00:50:38.690 --> 00:50:42.139
phrasing. It just simply says. Sure. In threshing,
00:50:42.260 --> 00:50:46.519
no bonded rider shall intervene in the process
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:49.679
of determining a bond or whatever the phrasing
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.840
might be. Yeah, this feels like a real gray area.
00:50:53.300 --> 00:50:56.920
I think that we're hitting this wonderful, right?
00:50:57.019 --> 00:50:58.400
I feel like we're hitting that wonderful gray
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:02.380
area where so long as Zayden can look at like
00:51:02.380 --> 00:51:06.079
Pancheck and say, or Mama Sorengale and say,
00:51:06.139 --> 00:51:08.969
hey. I was leaning against a tree with my arms
00:51:08.969 --> 00:51:12.349
crossed. I was so disengaged physically, I wasn't
00:51:12.349 --> 00:51:14.389
even there. I was just watching. Hell, I wasn't
00:51:14.389 --> 00:51:16.369
even using my shot. Yeah, I was just getting
00:51:16.369 --> 00:51:18.530
an up -close view because it looked like it was
00:51:18.530 --> 00:51:22.909
going to be a good show. Mm -hmm. And that's
00:51:22.909 --> 00:51:26.550
not intervening. That's enjoying a show. Sure,
00:51:26.550 --> 00:51:31.409
but also talking to the show. But that's their
00:51:31.409 --> 00:51:35.489
word against his. Right. And there's also the
00:51:35.489 --> 00:51:38.360
argument of, like, Who's to ever report him if
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:41.039
he were to just kill all three of them right
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:45.099
there and then, and no one ever, like, Violet's
00:51:45.099 --> 00:51:46.980
not going to report him, and Darna's not going
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:48.840
to report him, Sagail's not going to report him,
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:52.079
and no one else seems like they're around. And
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.739
we get the helpful information from Dane that
00:51:54.739 --> 00:51:56.559
at Threshing, they don't record how people die,
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:58.960
they just count the bodies. That is true. Yeah,
00:51:59.019 --> 00:52:01.460
like, clearly, it's easy to get away with this,
00:52:01.460 --> 00:52:04.199
I'm just... And Zayden doesn't give a fuck about
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.679
the rules. He doesn't care. No. I just wanted
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.340
to discuss that. He will do things, I think,
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:13.860
I think that, especially with the conversation
00:52:13.860 --> 00:52:17.920
that we get between him, Dane, and Violet after
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:22.019
bonding occurs, I think that Zayden fully would,
00:52:22.139 --> 00:52:24.139
and I mean, we see it in the next chapter that
00:52:24.139 --> 00:52:27.739
he starts to step forward. He absolutely would
00:52:27.739 --> 00:52:30.159
step in if he believed that Violet was like,
00:52:30.889 --> 00:52:34.349
like oh fuck Violet's about to die but like so
00:52:34.349 --> 00:52:35.929
he doesn't give a fuck about the rules I think
00:52:35.929 --> 00:52:38.510
that he is standing back and letting Violet take
00:52:38.510 --> 00:52:40.849
care of it though because again he has faith
00:52:40.849 --> 00:52:43.630
in her he thinks that she can handle it and I
00:52:43.630 --> 00:52:48.170
think that ultimately it is like a huge boost
00:52:48.170 --> 00:52:50.889
in her confidence that like Being able to be
00:52:50.889 --> 00:52:54.070
like, yeah, I took on three guys and I injured
00:52:54.070 --> 00:52:56.889
one enough that he ran off crying. I knocked
00:52:56.889 --> 00:52:59.989
on a conscience and I cut one badly enough that
00:52:59.989 --> 00:53:02.570
he would have bled out and died regardless of
00:53:02.570 --> 00:53:05.550
what happened before Taryn laid it. So I think
00:53:05.550 --> 00:53:07.289
that, you know, like this is something that she
00:53:07.289 --> 00:53:10.230
needs to show herself as well that like I can
00:53:10.230 --> 00:53:13.130
fucking handle myself. For sure. I think, yeah,
00:53:13.190 --> 00:53:15.710
it's Zayden kind of giving her her chance to
00:53:15.710 --> 00:53:17.570
shine. He doesn't fucking care about the rules.
00:53:17.690 --> 00:53:20.070
He would have intervened if he had to. Yeah.
00:53:21.550 --> 00:53:23.730
So it kind of doesn't matter. Yeah. Like, if
00:53:23.730 --> 00:53:27.570
it's words or actions. For him, I guess not.
00:53:27.690 --> 00:53:29.750
I just... For Dane, maybe. I just really wanted
00:53:29.750 --> 00:53:32.269
to know, like, what counts here? Like, what...
00:53:51.009 --> 00:53:57.460
That sounds nice. Like... Violet's whole, I can
00:53:57.460 --> 00:54:00.039
use the rope and I can use the dagger on the
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:04.179
gauntlet. That was totally, I think she was prepared
00:54:04.179 --> 00:54:07.400
to go to Pancheck and be like, hey, this was
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:10.619
mine. I carried it across. State her case. Write
00:54:10.619 --> 00:54:15.440
an essay. And I bet you she would have thrown
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.739
in a few smart -ass remarks and jokes along the
00:54:17.739 --> 00:54:19.860
way because she knew that she was not appealing
00:54:19.860 --> 00:54:22.679
to a scribe. She's appealing to a writer. And
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.019
it's the writer that gets to decide the semantics
00:54:25.019 --> 00:54:28.840
here. Yep. Yeah. And I think that if it were
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:32.380
Dane in Zayden's shoes, I think that he would
00:54:32.380 --> 00:54:34.860
agree with you, Cassie, that any talking would
00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:38.260
count as intervening and he would not do anything.
00:54:38.420 --> 00:54:40.440
He would not open his mouth. He would not do
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.320
anything. But how much of that is because he
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:45.460
thinks that Zayden is talking simply because
00:54:45.460 --> 00:54:49.250
Zayden wants to... be Violet's demise like I
00:54:49.250 --> 00:54:52.309
think Dane's issue with the fact that Zayden
00:54:52.309 --> 00:54:55.429
may or may not have intervened is entirely based
00:54:55.429 --> 00:55:00.030
on that's Zayden Ryerson and he still can't accept
00:55:00.030 --> 00:55:03.809
I don't know because in the conversation Dane
00:55:03.809 --> 00:55:05.969
was like hesitate like would you have stepped
00:55:05.969 --> 00:55:08.170
in if she was gonna die and he was like yeah
00:55:08.170 --> 00:55:10.989
like he has it out for Zayden for sure but I
00:55:10.989 --> 00:55:12.690
don't think like if some if it was a different
00:55:12.690 --> 00:55:14.250
wing reader in this position I think he would
00:55:14.250 --> 00:55:19.960
still be upset at them for speaking or doing
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:25.059
anything also yeah my second thing which is kind
00:55:25.059 --> 00:55:27.760
of tied into Violet's confidence and stuff is
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:30.059
we do get a scalp prickle here and I was just
00:55:30.059 --> 00:55:33.440
wondering like what is the purpose of him reading
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:36.940
her attentions right now like is there is he
00:55:36.940 --> 00:55:39.780
gaining something from this in order to make
00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:41.219
his decisions or yeah she doesn't intend to back
00:55:41.219 --> 00:55:46.000
down And or is this also Rebecca Yaros just like
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:49.619
really trying to associate those two things in
00:55:49.619 --> 00:55:53.360
our minds? That too. First of all, I can't believe
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.360
I did not call it the Spidey senses. Thank you
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:57.260
for bringing this up. Spidey senses, her scalp
00:55:57.260 --> 00:56:01.280
prickles. I think that this is twofold. One,
00:56:01.340 --> 00:56:03.699
yes. What is Violet's headspace here? Is she
00:56:03.699 --> 00:56:06.139
like fucking terrified? Is she in over her head?
00:56:06.219 --> 00:56:09.699
Do I need to step in? Or does she feel like she
00:56:09.699 --> 00:56:13.210
can handle this? Second. I think it is serving
00:56:13.210 --> 00:56:17.809
also for scale to communicate with Taryn. So
00:56:17.809 --> 00:56:19.769
I don't know if necessarily scales like, hey,
00:56:19.809 --> 00:56:21.670
what are her intentions here? Or if it's just
00:56:21.670 --> 00:56:23.789
kind of like a more passive, like he's still
00:56:23.789 --> 00:56:25.610
kind of used to just like feeling people's intentions.
00:56:25.769 --> 00:56:27.710
And this is giving the information to scale of
00:56:27.710 --> 00:56:30.829
like, she is protecting the baby. Taryn, get
00:56:30.829 --> 00:56:35.329
your ass over here. I'm completely on the bandwagon
00:56:35.329 --> 00:56:39.670
of this was definitely Zayden checking Violet
00:56:39.670 --> 00:56:42.639
to be like, Again, like I said, will you back
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:45.940
down? Because if Violet runs and Indarna is there,
00:56:46.139 --> 00:56:49.300
theoretically, he doesn't need to intervene.
00:56:49.539 --> 00:56:51.900
She could probably get away from these fuckers
00:56:51.900 --> 00:56:54.699
if she needed to. Indarna could fly away. Everything
00:56:54.699 --> 00:56:57.400
would be fine. But in that moment, he needs to
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.539
be absolutely sure, is this necessary? And he's
00:57:01.539 --> 00:57:03.340
checking her intentions and getting the intention
00:57:03.340 --> 00:57:06.000
of, I will protect this golden dragon. I will
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:09.900
protect the dragon. And that is what's convincing.
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:13.599
him that it needs to happen i also think that
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:16.460
that is that is what's triggering sigil to go
00:57:16.460 --> 00:57:20.719
look at how this woman this girl is protecting
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:23.000
this dragon that woman you read the first time
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:29.099
woman yeah this individual is protecting the
00:57:29.099 --> 00:57:30.940
strike in the same way because we learned later
00:57:30.940 --> 00:57:34.940
that taryn and sigil kind of naturally assume
00:57:34.940 --> 00:57:39.320
the parental role of because there are her parents
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:44.179
are so long gone Yep. And so in a lot of ways,
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:48.300
I think it wasn't that she needed to check to
00:57:48.300 --> 00:57:52.820
see anything for Taryn. I think it was Zayden's
00:57:52.820 --> 00:57:54.860
checking to see, do I actually need to be here?
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:58.599
Finding this reaction that then inspires Sagail
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:01.420
because, well, she thinks just like I do. Even
00:58:01.420 --> 00:58:06.139
if she is tiny, she can't be that bad. And that
00:58:06.139 --> 00:58:09.019
is what triggers Taryn, who's actively watching
00:58:09.019 --> 00:58:14.199
the scene with Sagail. Yeah, I think that, yeah,
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:16.500
this might be like the final test for Violet,
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:20.900
perhaps. I still think that even back at the
00:58:20.900 --> 00:58:23.880
parapet day on conscription, when Scale is like
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:28.500
getting Violet's medal, I still think that at
00:58:28.500 --> 00:58:31.159
that point she was like, okay, I have plans.
00:58:31.260 --> 00:58:38.769
I have plans. Anyways, any other thoughts on
00:58:38.769 --> 00:58:42.530
this chapter that we actually breezed through?
00:58:43.090 --> 00:58:48.849
I am a little curious that Rebecca decided to
00:58:48.849 --> 00:58:52.909
split up the threshing chapters. 13 and 14. Yeah.
00:58:53.449 --> 00:58:57.409
Because, like, then you look at how far... like
00:58:57.409 --> 00:59:00.550
chapter 14 basically takes us into the air but
00:59:00.550 --> 00:59:02.750
it doesn't take us into the ground and so yeah
00:59:02.750 --> 00:59:05.150
the way that rebecca yaros has chosen to split
00:59:05.150 --> 00:59:09.730
up this day is actually rather interesting it
00:59:09.730 --> 00:59:12.050
might like gotta use that yeah zayden appearance
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as a mini cliffhanger take a breath breathe yep
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look at the next page like not even turn the
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page grab some water look at the next page and
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like there could be an argument that she wanted
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to introduce like If there's any argument I can
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make, there's three arguments I can make here.
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Each of the chapter breaks throughout the day
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seems to occur at a cliffhanger, right? This
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chapter break, she's standing, she's facing down
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three attackers trying to defend Andarna. Zayden
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shows up. The next one is her falling out of
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the sky and will Taryn save her? And the one
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after that is, will she get to keep her bond
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and why is she supposed to stick with Zayden?
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Because it... kind of fast forwards us through,
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if I remember right, it fast forwards us through
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the end of threshing and into the Imperium meeting.
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I believe so. That sounds right to me. Basically,
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it's a little bit before the Imperium meets,
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but she's, it's after it's revealed that she
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has two dragons. And so, like, there's one argument
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that you could easily make here that each of
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these chapter breaks is around a major pivotal
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point that, like, if you put it down now, it's...
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I hate to say this, but she's writing in the
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one more chapter inspiration that Cassie despises.
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I didn't say I despise it. I just said it gets
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me. The cliffhangers. It does feel that way.
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Our girl is the king of cliffhangers. We have
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to recognize that. But then also the only other
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argument I can make here is she has the next
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couple of epigraphs are actually rather important.
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plot line wise in some ways and so you could
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also make an argument that she needed to get
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these extra epigraphs in right yes and it seems
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like the only couple times that she does two
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the only one i can think of is the addendums
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to um the marked ones when there's two quotes
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in the same addendum that is the only example
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or the same that is the only one that is the
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only example okay Good, because that was the
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only one I could think of. So I'm proud of myself
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there. And those are obviously like super relevant.
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They have to go with each other. Like the addendum
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5 .3 only makes sense with addendum 5 .2 because
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it says in addition to last year's changes. So
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yeah, that also makes sense to me. It's like,
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okay, I want to get more of these in here. So
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let me stop it there. yeah and so that is also
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a wonderful thing and it's this weird moment
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where like we talked about this at the beginning
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of last chapter i think or somewhere along the
01:01:45.869 --> 01:01:50.050
way again time is slowing down page wise yes
01:01:50.050 --> 01:01:53.710
what we're one page covered two weeks not three
01:01:53.710 --> 01:01:57.070
chapters ago now three chapters four chapters
01:01:57.070 --> 01:02:00.610
are covering one day a couple hours yeah yeah
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I'm not saying that day isn't crucially important,
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but. Yes, yes. Yeah, I think this is just I mean,
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I have said again and I will say again that I
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:16.599
just I her technique for writing tension, I think,
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is is excellent. And I think breaking up these
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chapters just adds to the tension, the pacing
01:02:24.380 --> 01:02:27.000
of being very like snapping. We've got to keep
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:28.539
it moving, got to keep it moving. So much is
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going on. So. I love that I have now taken to
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:35.960
calling Violet, Rhiannon, and Rebecca Yaros as
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:41.260
our girl. Yes. Yep. Our girls. Our girls. But
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yeah, no. She is the queen of the cliffhanger
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.940
that has always been known book by book. But
01:02:46.940 --> 01:02:49.320
it's very interesting to see it chapter by chapter.
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:52.960
And kind of on a re -pivoting back to personal
01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:59.030
and battle brief stuff. Zayden. I say this because
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he's your partner and has an issue with Zayden's
01:03:01.590 --> 01:03:05.110
name. Drew is flying through these books because
01:03:05.110 --> 01:03:07.710
he's already into Iron Flame, right? Oh, he finished
01:03:07.710 --> 01:03:11.809
Iron Flame. What? Motherfucker! He hasn't started
01:03:11.809 --> 01:03:14.150
on Extorm yet, though. He's loving it, isn't
01:03:14.150 --> 01:03:16.849
he? He's secretly loving it. He's enjoying it
01:03:16.849 --> 01:03:19.650
enough to be whizzing through them. That's what
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I'm saying. Can you please get him to talk to
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Tyler and get him to read these damn books? I
01:03:23.289 --> 01:03:25.210
keep begging. I'm like, you need to read them,
01:03:25.210 --> 01:03:28.619
Tyler. Or listen to them. Yeah, no. Yes. I mean,
01:03:28.780 --> 01:03:31.559
Drew was heavily motivated by the incentive of
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:34.239
getting to be on the podcast afterward. I told
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:36.679
Tyler that he could be too, but I don't know.
01:03:38.300 --> 01:03:42.420
Yeah. Either way, like, the fact that he is just
01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:44.599
flying through these books, because he started
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:47.980
Fourth Wing a week ago, it feels like. Just over
01:03:47.980 --> 01:03:49.880
a week ago. I think it was two weeks. Well, regardless.
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Yeah. And so, like... The fact that he is just
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:55.780
whizzing through these books as fast as he is,
01:03:55.780 --> 01:03:58.579
is just even that much more of an indicator that
01:03:58.579 --> 01:04:01.420
they're that hard to put down. They are so hard
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to put down. They're so good. All right. So I
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think that is going to do it for us for chapter
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13. So until next week, goodbye. Bye. Judy. Thank
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