Fourth Wing Chapter 12 - Part 1

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This podcast discusses a nonstop thrilling adventure
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fantasy series set in the brutal and competitive
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world of a military college for dragon riders,
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chronic pain, medical misogyny, dismissive medical
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sexually explicit language. Listeners who may
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at your own risk and prepare to enter the wing
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readers. Welcome to The Wing Raiders, where we
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deep dive into the Empyrean series, chapter by
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chapter, theorize and overanalyze. I'm Abby.
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I'm John. I'm Rishvisha Cassie. And today we
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are covering Fourth Wing Chapter 12. Here is
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your reminder, not friendly anymore because hopefully
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you should know at this point that you will be
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spoiled. So please proceed with caution. So we
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are going to send it over to Battle Brief where
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we talk about podcast and or personal news. And
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I know Cassie had some things to discuss. Yeah.
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I was really excited last time I did one of these
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check -ins because I was feeling really great
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and things were improving. But I've had a bit
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of a week of pain. And not necessarily in ways
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that I've had before where it was like really
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sharp pains in my wrist or I did have some sharp
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pains in my hand last week, but I've just had
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like constant aching in my fingers and my wrists
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and my forearms have been really tense and tight.
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And even my regular hand and forearm and wrist
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stretches haven't been working. And even like
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trying to do my PT exercises with the five pound
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weight has been like too much. I did have PT
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last week with the guy that can look at my wrists
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and he did some dry needling on my arm again.
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And that did help for like a day and a half.
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And then it went right back to being really tense.
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I was hoping that being off work for a few days
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would help it like relax and loosen up a little
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bit because I'm not at my desk with my hands
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all. tents over the table all day um but I've
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been gardening all day two days in a row instead
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so I don't really know if that was helpful but
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my garden looks great I need to see pictures
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I will send you pictures um I've also been having
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like my plantar fasciitis pain in my left foot
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it's not exactly flared up but it's like I'm
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getting the compensatory pain where like the
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side muscle is just constantly like store because
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it's, it's making up for me, not, I don't know,
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not using the other muscle so that it would hurt.
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I'm unclear about what my foot's doing, but I
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don't appreciate it. No, I, I know what you mean
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because I feel like a lot of my pain that I have
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is because of my joint issues. And so A lot of
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the things that I feel like my providers get
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really hung up on is like, oh, this is all like
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myofascial. This is your muscle. Your muscles
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are tight. Like, I don't think that this is a
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structural issue. And I'm like, well, it's all
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tight because I'm walking in a certain way. So
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I don't. have excruciating pains in my joints
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and I'm like my cat like I recognize like my
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calves and my back are super super tight and
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they are so painful it hurts so bad but it's
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not just like oh my calf is hurting oh my back
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is hurting it's like no because if I don't walk
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in this weird way like I'm limping because my
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knees don't work so it's yeah yeah I mean I was
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um I had dinner with Jackson this week and I
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was telling him all about all of this stuff and
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all of the this thing affects this thing affects
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this thing and that's why I need to sleep for
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nine hours that you're always making fun of me
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for um so the the PT also dry needled my calf
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last week um because there are like some tendons
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or something that connect to the foot and hopefully
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like loosening that up was going to help with
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the foot arch and heel pain It did loosen up
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that calf, but he didn't do the other one. So
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I walked out of the office and I was like, this
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is so weird because my right calf still sore.
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My left calf, not even thinking about it. It's
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sending me no signals. This is so weird. Nothing
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ever sends me no signals. Yeah, that is a good
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segue into my shit this week. I do have one more
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complaint, which is just that my knees have been
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not hurting. But again, they're just... sending
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me signals of like this is uncomfortable like
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anytime they're in a flat position like they're
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just automatically slightly hyperextended in
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a really uncomfortable way and when I sent you
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guys pictures of Clyde sitting on the swing with
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me the other weekend he really likes to sit on
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the lap and so then he was putting the pressure
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on my knees and I sit sideways on the swing so
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I'm already like using the swing to brace myself
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just to feel okay and then he goes and he pushes
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my knees down Yeah. Yeah, that happens a lot
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when Noah comes and sits on my lap. And I'm like,
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sometimes I'm like, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait,
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wait, wait, wait, wait. Like, I want to hold
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you. I want to cuddle you. I need you to get
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off for a second because this hurts very badly.
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Yeah. So. About a week and a half ago, we took
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a trip to Seattle for Noah to get evaluated by
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Seattle Children's for an issue related to his
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speech. And I think that triggered a lot of pain
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in my body. And I am like just now on the other
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side of basically a week plus long flare up.
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I was in such excruciating pain this past week.
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where any any type of extension or compression
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of my back and i was nearly in tears like straightening
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back up um like bracing my my back feeling like
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85 years old and uh just just in really debilitating
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pain and i see a chiropractor which i experience
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some cognitive dissonance with within myself
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because a lot of chiropractic is very wooey.
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It's very not founded in science. It can be really
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dangerous. However, the chiropractor that I see
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works closely with a neurosurgery and spine clinic,
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like within the clinic, not just like works with
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them. And he does basically soft tissue manipulation,
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trigger points, and just like kind of, you know,
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releasing muscles and all that good stuff. So
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he doesn't do any of those like wild like cracks
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and pops and anything like that. And I have always
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gotten at least like 24 to 48 hours of relief
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when I see him. And every time I come back, he's
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like, did did it help at all? And I was like,
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yeah, for like two days. And he goes, well, that's
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not good. And I'm like, well, yes, in the grand
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scheme of things. No, it's not good. But it's
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two days of feeling not terrible. That's like
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when I used to see the PT for the pelvic stuff
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and she'd like do the manual massage on my abdomen
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and it would release all the tension and then
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it would come back right away. And she's like.
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Okay, so clearly this isn't going to resolve
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itself until you deal with the anxiety that's
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causing the tension. But in the meantime, that
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feels so nice. So anyways, I had an appointment
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with him this past Thursday. And I don't know.
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I only see him like every other week. So he probably
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has just forgotten every conversation we've had.
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He went from several weeks ago being like, oh,
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yeah, like, I don't think you have fibromyalgia.
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That doesn't make any sense. You obviously have
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something like physically wrong with your joints.
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We have some imaging to prove that, blah, blah,
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blah, blah, blah. To on Thursday being like,
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it sounds like fibromyalgia. Like, okay, thanks.
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I don't think so. Because I was talking about
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the pain in my back. And for the very first time
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seeing him, I got. no relief like absolutely
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zero relief I was almost in tears with him like
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just sitting up and laying back down and so he
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was like being very gentle with me and he was
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like okay yeah um obviously this isn't doing
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you too much good so we're just going to stop
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for now and I'm like well this was like my one
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thing that I was looking forward to every other
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week to like keep me sane and he's just like
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well no we're just gonna stop because this isn't
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doing you any good I'm like okay um I have an
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appointment with physiatry in a week and a half.
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I'm counting down the days. And so I'm hoping
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for something. I'm gearing myself up for the
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just emotional exhaustion of having to start
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over and explain everything. hope actually that
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she doesn't read my chart because I feel like
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that's just going to muddy the waters because
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I feel like providers are more likely to listen
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to other providers but I feel like other providers
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have misunderstood me or jumped to conclusions
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and I'm so I'm pretty anxious about that um I've
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been in some of the worst pain that I've ever
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had in the past week I'm feeling super demoralized
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I'm feeling just like I want to give up which
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is not a fun place to be in but Yeah, it's been
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rough. And within all of that, I started listening
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to the audio book, The Lady's Handbook for Her
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Mysterious Illness by Sarah Ramey. And Cassie
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has read it before. We've been discussing a lot.
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So I'm only a quarter of the way through it.
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It's long as fuck. I still have like 10 hours
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left. I've already listened to three, which is
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ridiculous. But I've gotten to a point where
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I'm like, I don't even know if I want to continue
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reading it. It's not, yeah, it's not, like, it's
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a great book if you want some validation, and
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it's not at all if you're looking for hope or
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actual practical advice or, I mean, there are
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so many things that count as mysterious illness,
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so she can't cover everybody. She can just tell
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you her experience, but. Yeah, and the fact that,
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and this is something we've talked extensively
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about, is that, like, she's so close to hitting
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the mark and just misses it, and it almost feels
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like an intentional miss because she so many
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times throughout this book is like I'm not just
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writing this book for some women I'm writing
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this book for all women and totally ignoring
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women of color totally ignoring trans women or
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trans men who you know have different biology
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and just you know so it's it's very narrow a
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very narrow focus on herself and her experiences
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and like anecdotes of people that she knows.
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And of course I'm only 25 % of the way through,
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but Cassie does corroborate that it's the same
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throughout. And it's very, it seems very privilege
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blind as well. Like she is able to go to all
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of these, like. alternative therapies and try
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all these different methods and try all these
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different diets and organic foods and cutting
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out processed stuff and like all of that is all
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fine and dandy but her family also takes her
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to the top of the line medical like standard
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medical institutions in the country like john
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hopkins mayo like she goes to them all yeah and
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no mention of how much it costs and how inaccessible
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that is for like if it's that hard for her to
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get there yeah because like most people don't
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realize this mayo does not get paid for by insurance
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ever mayo is not covered by insurance ever really
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oh i didn't even know that yeah it's like Yeah.
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I'm like, I would love to eat organic. I would
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love I would love to not rely so much on, you
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know, more processed foods. But I'm like, that's
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not where I am financially. I can't I can't go
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to see the best. I can't move to L .A. to go
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see the best acupuncturist in the universe three
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times a week like she can. I'm like, yeah. So
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and this isn't like entirely related. to the
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content of the book but it just reminds me of
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my my friend who has eds and you know all of
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the so like i swear they have like every single
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comorbidity comorbidity that you can possibly
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have with eds yeah and they basically can't work
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but it's a chronic illness so it's not counted
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as disability so they can't get like disability
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benefits but also if they were on disability
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or like if they're on disability for one of their
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other conditions then they would lose that when
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they if they ever actually finally marry their
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partner yeah and none of that is talked about
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in the book at all about yeah our social security
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disability welfare system is so fucked and it's
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getting more and more fucked by the day it already
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had so many problems and it's just yeah I don't
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even want to think about it right now. Yeah.
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So anyways, that's my rant in my book corner.
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And on a happier note. I know John started a
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book series that I've been dying to read. So
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last episode I talked about... Do you like that
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transition? It was a transition. Thank you. Last
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episode I talked about going to watch TJ Klune
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speak and we had a little bit of a conversation
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about favorite books. I have picked up, and by
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picked up I mean I am listening to, the Green
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Creek series right now. This is TJ Klune's adult
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male -male love story because there are two...
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Two different series. There's Green Creek, and
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then there's a different one. Green Creek is
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the adult one, and the other one is for children.
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I don't know exactly what the series is called,
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but it's like The Extraordinaries is one of the
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books, I believe. I think so. It's like superheroes.
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Yeah, it's a trilogy, I believe. There's The
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Extraordinaries, Heat Wave. Versus This Is All
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Witches and Werewolves. Yes, yes. Ugh. And so
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lots of like possessive matiness and destined
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mates and all sorts of like shenanigans going
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on. And of course, the vast majority of characters
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who do not need to themselves produce children
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are gay men, which is an interesting take on
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it. Just a pack full of gay men. So how are you
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still on the first book? No, I finished the first
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book, and I'm about halfway through the second
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book, Ravensong. Okay. How much are you loving
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it? I am enjoying it. I definitely am. Have you
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listened to these or read these? No, I have the
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whole series. I have not read them yet. Okay.
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Yeah, no, like, it's interesting. One thing I
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will point out that I... When I first realized
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it, I was like, okay, so this is a choice. And
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then I kind of deconstructed it a little bit.
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I'm going to explain what I'm talking about in
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a second, but I deconstructed it. And then I
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was like, wait, what if he's using it not only
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as like a critique on traditional writing, but
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also as like a plotting device for the different
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books? Because partway through the first book,
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I came to the realization of the four books,
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all of them take place from different perspectives.
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Each book is a different perspective. And so
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the thing that I'm talking about is he completely
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throws the idea of an omnipresent, all -knowing
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narrator out the window. Your narration is very
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not detailed, very kind of normal, flowy mind.
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Especially because the book takes place around
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one character who is... mocked in his youth for
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being slow or stupid and like you can hear it
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in the way that he like it's because of the way
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he talks he uses very simple sentences he doesn't
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use complex sentence structure he sticks with
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plain words but he's very much keeping with the
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conversation he just talks in very simple ways
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and so like the way that he narrates is very
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much like that there's none of this omnipresent
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all knowing is it and then he felt the love of
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his mate without knowing it Is it still third
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person? Like, is it third person limited instead
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of, or is it first, like pure first person? What,
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what prone it is first person. Yes. It's all
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from the eye. Is that not common anymore? Cause
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I feel like that used to be pretty normal. It's
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common, but like in the sense that they don't
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notice everything. You don't get, like, and then
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the tree with all the leaves and there happened
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to be, I noticed that half of them were turning
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brown or, like, it's very kind of memory -based,
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like traditional human memory -based. It's different,
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especially listening to this audiobook in comparison
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to some of the other books that we've all read
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or listened to or enjoy. The level of detail
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and the way it's narrated, in my mind, read as
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an abandonment of... A narrator who knows everything.
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It really was kind of like if I wanted to tell
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the story of a fictional character exactly from
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what the human memories would look like. Yeah,
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that's fair. I feel like that's a thing. I see
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what you're saying, but that's definitely not
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how writing has been trending. But I feel like
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when I was younger, that was a lot more normal.
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Or maybe just in older books, that's more...
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I don't know. I don't like, I'm sitting here
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looking, this is going to be an interesting transition.
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Um, but so before I transition to my transition
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then, so the first book takes place from one
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character's perspective. The second book takes
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place from the witch's perspective. And I was
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like, okay, maybe we're going to like, cause
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the first book, the main character Ox falls in
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love with Joe in the end. And so I was like,
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okay, maybe one of the next books is going to
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be Joe's perspective. And then we're going to
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get. both sides of another male -male romance
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in the same circle. No, each book also centers
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around one romance and you never return to the
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same romance again. Okay. Which I'm kind of reading,
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I know I really shouldn't do this, but I'm kind
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of reading as they all end up living in the end
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every time, which is sad because I don't want
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to know how it's going to go, but... it also
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each book seems to have like that's a central
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crux that's trying to kill them so it seems like
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it might be a stream of consciousness narrative
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yes and it jumps between scenes very quickly
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without any sort of scene break I feel like very,
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very early novels, that was one of the innovations.
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Yes, or Call Me By Your Name. Call Me By Your
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Name is a fantastic, thank you for saying that.
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I haven't read that one yet. Okay, I have it
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right here. It's very much the same thing. So,
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like, Call Me By Your Name has no chapters. It's
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all in sections. And you do get scene breaks,
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but it's so stream of consciousness. And you
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can get these skips in time and prose. And then
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suddenly it's that evening. And so, like, it's
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very Call Me By Your Name to the listeners. If
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you've read Call Me By Your Name, it's the same
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style. I know I'm not supposed to do that. I
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turned around. good news i am doing a reading
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challenge it's a very popular popular one it's
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the 52 book clubs reading challenge uh which
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is 52 books in 52 weeks and one of them is a
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stream of consciousness narrative and i have
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not found a book for it so i that's even more
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incentive for me I'm already doing both of Abby's
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reading challenges, both of her Taylor Swift
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challenges, which I'm almost done with. I just
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have to reread a favorite, which I'm working
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on, and read a book set in the 90s. I think those
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are potentially... Written in or set in the 90s.
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Yeah, those are potentially my only two left.
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There might be a third I'm forgetting. Yeah,
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so for the listener, I love making reading challenges,
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especially Taylor Swift -themed reading challenges.
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And so this year... I made a heiress tour challenge,
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which is how many prompts is in that, Cassie?
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It's based on the set list. Okay, one of them
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has like 42 and the other has like 16. So it's
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the torture poets department is one of them with
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the, oh my gosh, I'm a terrible fan right now,
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with the anthology being all bonus prompts. So
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you could just complete it with the 16. But I'm
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a completionist. Yes, same. But anyway, so the
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Tortured Poets Department Challenge is a prompt
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per song based on something about the theme of
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the song or a line in the song or the title of
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the song. Sometimes it's very loosely based.
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And then the Heiress Tour is based on the set
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list with, again, each song being a different
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prompt. They're a lot of fun. I have a lot of
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fun with them. And there's really not a lot of
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crossover between the two. I tried really hard
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not to have too many crossover prompts between
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the two challenges. I will link them in the show
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notes if anyone's interested. I love making these
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so much. Yeah, I had a couple years ago when
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Midnight's came out, the year... Following Midnight's
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Coming Out, I made a Midnight's Reading Challenge.
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And I think I had like 500 participants on Storygraph
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or something like that. So that was really cool.
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But yes, you can find those on Storygraph and
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I will link them in the show notes. While I'm
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thinking, you should definitely also throw them
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on all of our socials, which it dawns on me it's
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been a few episodes since we've plugged our socials
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as well. I plug them at the end of every episode
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in our little outro. Oh, okay. In the recording.
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In my little voiceover when I shut myself in
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my office. Yeah, so I do Abby's and then I usually
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have my own like personal physical TBR challenge
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where I'm like, okay, I need to actually read
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some of the books I've been ignoring on my shelf
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that I've had for years. But I'm also this year
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trying to be a little more chill about reading
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challenges and mostly indulge my mood reading,
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my year of the whim, as I'm calling it. My favorite
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way to do challenges is just to kind of read
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what I want to read and then, like, see where
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they fit into my challenges. And it's really
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rare. Yeah, it's really rare that one just, like,
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won't naturally fit somewhere. read as voraciously
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eventually they're kind of all fitted yes and
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sometimes like I'm very much like oh I'll only
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do one book per challenge but sometimes I'll
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read a book where I'm like oh this only fits
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one prompt and I already have a book there but
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that book fits this other prompt so I'll kind
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of do like a little uh rearranging as well I
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shamelessly doubled it look if it fits the category
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I'm satisfying it yep yep I read a completely
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different book this past week. In keeping with
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my sci -fi kick, I read Service Model, which
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I've described slash pitched it like three different
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ways based on other books that it reminded me
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of. And I only told you guys a couple of them.
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Of course, I deleted them out of my notes, so
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I have to actually go to my review. While you're
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clicking buttons, I will announce I have officially
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started watching Murderbot Season 1. Three episodes
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are out. It is amazing. It is so incredibly accurate
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to the book. And what's hilarious is they managed
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to take that first novella and make it a full
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season by honoring every scene of the book. nice
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wow nice and so yeah it's very accurate I am
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in love with it I highly encourage anybody check
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it out I have all of the audiobooks on hold through
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my library so I'm just waiting just waiting I'm
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so excited yeah I need to I need to actually
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put the audio on hold I this is definitely serious
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to listen into in order though yes yeah I still
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haven't set up the I did download the library
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catalog app, but I still haven't bothered to
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go find my physical library card to enter the
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number in. So I'm like, maybe I'll just listen
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to them after all. Okay, so I pulled up my review,
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and I said, service model is like if you take
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Murderbot, stick it in a British butler roll,
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and real... have to convince it that it has agency
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and does not have to follow rules in a dignified
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manner because in fact it has already gone against
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the rules or because it is a basically it's a
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valet it's not technically a butler it does object
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to that at a couple points but it's also like
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because it's he's in this valet role and he's
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in England It's got that humorous British tone,
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which is similar to murder your employer. Or
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more precisely, what to do after you've murdered
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your employer. That's how the book opens. And
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then the surprising comparison that came to me
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is if you've read Psalm for the Wild Bill or
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Prayer for the Crown Shy. I have them. Both of
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these, those novellas and this book. both have
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a human and a robot that are, or, like, a human
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-like character and a robot -like character that
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are seeking answers, like, they're seeking answers,
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and also the robot is trying to figure out how
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to best help people. There are slightly different
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takes on it, but I just thought that was, like,
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really funny that they're, like, both following
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this path of, like, going on a quest together
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to... help and find meaning except for one is
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like philosophical and solar punk and light and
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short and the other one is dystopian and post
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-apocalyptic And long. And coming full circle
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to this book conversation, that reminds me of
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In the Lives of Puppets by T .J. Klune. You need
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to read, Cassie. It's so good. I will shout out
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really quick. I have also started service model.
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I got up to the point where he got into the office
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with the other robot that is clearly not a traditional
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robot in any way, shape or form. And I just for
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some reason I needed to. I was prepping for that
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goddamn exam and I had to change books or I was
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going to lose my mind because yeah you write
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that British narration is so but clearly I know
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better than that and like it kind of reminds
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me if you've ever listened to the Harry Potter
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audiobooks the original ones the it reminds me
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of that narrator a little bit fun fact Adrian
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Tchaikovsky the author is the narrator for service
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model really Oh, very cool. Yeah. Is Stephen
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Fry the British narrator? I think, or is it Jim
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Dale? Jim Dale and Stephen Fry are the two. I
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just don't know which is which. I know Stephen
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Fry is a British person. Or do they both do versions?
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They both do versions, but one is English and
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one is American. Stephen Fry is English. Oh,
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okay. So that must be Jim Dale. But no, I'm talking
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about... Oh, Jim Dale's English too. What the
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hell? I was going to say, I'm pretty sure that
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Jim Dale's also English. I'm pretty sure I'm
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talking about the original set of audiobooks
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that were recorded for them. I listened to them
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on CD once. Jim Dale's version is known for its
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theatrical, character -focused approach with
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distinct voices for each character. Stephen Fry,
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on the other hand, delivers a more natural, nuanced
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reading focusing on the emotional depth of the
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story. But which one came first? I listened to
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Stephen Fry. I don't know which one I, I listened
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to them. I was visiting family or family friends
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in Wisconsin when I was a kid and I was in the
00:29:38.410 --> 00:29:39.950
car. I don't know if they were picking me up
00:29:39.950 --> 00:29:41.890
from the airport or taking me to somewhere or
00:29:41.890 --> 00:29:45.910
what, but they had the CDs, the books on tape,
00:29:45.930 --> 00:29:49.329
the CD that you put into the car. And then we
00:29:49.329 --> 00:29:51.450
had to swap them out when we got to the end of
00:29:51.450 --> 00:29:54.809
it. So I've listened to like the middle of one
00:29:54.809 --> 00:29:58.450
book. On our phone. Yes. We're very spoiled.
00:29:59.369 --> 00:30:02.250
Okay, well, I feel like we should wrap up Battle
00:30:02.250 --> 00:30:05.029
Brief because we've been recording for 30 minutes.
00:30:05.309 --> 00:30:08.390
Good news, I have been putting timestamps into
00:30:08.390 --> 00:30:11.190
our episode descriptions if anyone would like
00:30:11.190 --> 00:30:15.470
to skip all this long stuff. I think it's interesting,
00:30:15.670 --> 00:30:18.130
but I understand if people want to skip it. But
00:30:18.130 --> 00:30:20.150
of course, this is coming at the end of Battle
00:30:20.150 --> 00:30:22.589
Brief, so those people probably aren't even hearing
00:30:22.589 --> 00:30:26.599
this part either. So, after all that... I'm going
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:28.720
to send it over to our resident scribe, John,
00:30:28.779 --> 00:30:31.000
to break down the epigraph of chapter 12. We
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:35.779
could actually start on the chapter. Absolutely.
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:39.960
Our epigraph clearly has nothing to do with the
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.779
conversation that's going to be had today. But
00:30:42.779 --> 00:30:45.160
here we go. From Colonel Kaori's Field Guide
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.099
to Dragonkind, Presentation Day is unlike any
00:30:48.099 --> 00:30:51.460
other. The air is ripe with possibility, and
00:30:51.460 --> 00:30:54.039
possibly the stench of sulfur from a dragon who
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:57.150
has been offended. Never look a red in the eye.
00:30:57.269 --> 00:31:00.910
Never back down from a green. If you show trepidation
00:31:00.910 --> 00:31:04.750
to a brown, well, I wouldn't. Or just don't.
00:31:05.269 --> 00:31:08.170
Just don't. Just don't. I like how it's, and
00:31:08.170 --> 00:31:10.529
possibly the stench of sulfur from a dragon who's
00:31:10.529 --> 00:31:13.869
been offended. I'm like, they burn like dozens.
00:31:14.150 --> 00:31:17.869
Pretty likely. But I do wonder if it's more.
00:31:18.970 --> 00:31:22.109
Yes. I wonder if it's more, though, because there
00:31:22.109 --> 00:31:27.190
are so fewer dragons compared to cadets that
00:31:27.190 --> 00:31:29.289
are trying to bond. So I wonder if in a year
00:31:29.289 --> 00:31:33.450
where there is like a more balanced number, there
00:31:33.450 --> 00:31:36.269
aren't quite as many burnings. I would doubt
00:31:36.269 --> 00:31:38.529
it. But the dragons are kind of, yeah, I know.
00:31:39.529 --> 00:31:42.430
They're cantankerous. And possibly the stench
00:31:42.430 --> 00:31:47.339
of sulfur. I'm like, well, who knows? Cassie,
00:31:47.380 --> 00:31:50.700
do we have any new Gaelic pronunciations to discuss
00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:57.480
in this chapter? I did not find any new words
00:31:57.480 --> 00:31:59.559
in this chapter, and I'm not sure we're going
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:01.539
to get more until we get to Threshing. Yay! I'm
00:32:01.539 --> 00:32:06.960
not tortured! But you may have noticed I did
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.319
a different outro last time and a different intro
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:12.420
today, so I thought I would tell you what I said.
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.730
Here's a hack. It's what I always say. but in
00:32:16.730 --> 00:32:24.450
Scottish Gaelic instead. So today I said, and
00:32:24.450 --> 00:32:29.210
that means, and I'm called Cassie. That's how
00:32:29.210 --> 00:32:31.650
you would introduce yourself in Scottish Gaelic.
00:32:32.049 --> 00:32:35.650
And at the end of last time, I said, which is
00:32:35.650 --> 00:32:37.990
one of the ways for saying goodbye. It's probably
00:32:37.990 --> 00:32:40.789
a little less formal, may or may not be etymologically
00:32:40.789 --> 00:32:44.720
related to cheerio. I haven't confirmed that.
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:48.480
It does sound similar. There are other ways to
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:50.859
say goodbye that I am blanking on at the moment.
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:53.720
Well, we're pretty informal here, so I think
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:56.460
that not being super formal is totally chill.
00:32:57.420 --> 00:32:59.500
Now, when you say cheerio, do you mean the old
00:32:59.500 --> 00:33:01.900
English cheerio or the breakfast cereal cheerio?
00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:07.839
Oh, the old English way of cheerio. Cheerio.
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.400
I wouldn't have been offended either way. Do
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.539
you want to know how Chiyori is spelled? I'm
00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:17.380
sure we do. It's going to make me cringe. It's
00:33:17.380 --> 00:33:21.380
going to make me cringe so hard. It's... Oh,
00:33:21.380 --> 00:33:23.720
I have to make sure I don't mess this up. While
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:26.359
I'm waiting for the internet to confirm, it is
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T -I -O -R -A -D -H. There might be another I
00:33:32.819 --> 00:33:39.910
in there. Chiyo. Sorry? John is bewildered. Yes,
00:33:39.930 --> 00:33:42.109
there's another I. John, I need you to make your
00:33:42.109 --> 00:33:47.930
expressions more verbal. He's face -bombing me.
00:33:47.930 --> 00:33:52.009
It begins with a T -H? No, it begins with a T.
00:33:52.730 --> 00:33:56.150
There is a region in Africa called Nakapirapira,
00:33:56.250 --> 00:34:00.069
and it's spelled N -A -K -A -P -I -R -A -P -I
00:34:00.069 --> 00:34:04.390
-R -A. Nakapirapira. And that makes sense to
00:34:04.390 --> 00:34:06.730
me, but this doesn't. You want to know why? You
00:34:06.730 --> 00:34:08.730
want to know why? Because colonizers probably
00:34:08.730 --> 00:34:12.670
gave them the orthography. Or, yeah, turned it
00:34:12.670 --> 00:34:16.190
into an English -y names, yeah. Scottish Gaelic
00:34:16.190 --> 00:34:20.050
has their own phonetic system. that we're using
00:34:20.050 --> 00:34:23.110
the Roman alphabet for, but it's, it's, it doesn't
00:34:23.110 --> 00:34:27.369
actually map onto English pronunciations. It's
00:34:27.369 --> 00:34:28.690
kind of like how French has all those silent
00:34:28.690 --> 00:34:35.329
letters. Those are called the silent accents.
00:34:35.449 --> 00:34:42.250
Thank you. Yeah. So Chiari is T I with the backward
00:34:42.250 --> 00:34:46.309
accent. So you drag it out a smidge. O R A I
00:34:46.309 --> 00:34:50.610
D H. So that's kind of that silent. D -H at the
00:34:50.610 --> 00:34:54.030
end and a T sometime. Say it one more time. Cheery.
00:34:54.369 --> 00:34:59.329
Cheery. Okay. So you're getting a hint of the
00:34:59.329 --> 00:35:05.070
O. Cheery. I need more alcohol for this. I am
00:35:05.070 --> 00:35:08.409
one step ahead of you. I've just got water today.
00:35:08.949 --> 00:35:10.769
One step ahead of me. What do you think this
00:35:10.769 --> 00:35:16.010
has been the entire time? A jar. Cheers. A jar
00:35:16.010 --> 00:35:19.139
with whiskey Sprite in it. Gross. I'm having
00:35:19.139 --> 00:35:22.880
a sex on the beach. No, that sounds good. Thank
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:26.260
you. Yes. All right. So without further ado,
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.159
because we've had much ado up until this point.
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.500
So much ado. John, do you want to get us started
00:35:32.500 --> 00:35:37.280
on chapter 12? Absolutely. We begin by getting
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:40.079
presented with what could be the most inappropriate
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:42.460
number in the entire world where there's not
00:35:42.460 --> 00:35:47.719
a one in front of it. I couldn't help myself.
00:35:48.500 --> 00:35:52.500
It's a 69! There's a 69 staring at us off the
00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:55.519
page. It's the sex number. It's the sex number.
00:35:55.699 --> 00:35:58.659
And because the audience was not there for our
00:35:58.659 --> 00:36:01.400
chat, we had our little eyes wide shut comment
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.550
last time that sent me flying. for these two
00:36:04.550 --> 00:36:07.449
to explain to me this week that they didn't really
00:36:07.449 --> 00:36:10.349
understand what an Eyes Wide Shut party was.
00:36:11.650 --> 00:36:13.550
Clearly, I have to teach them. Well, I knew because
00:36:13.550 --> 00:36:15.869
it's in the zeitgeist. It's in the zeitgeist.
00:36:15.869 --> 00:36:18.070
I've seen so many references to Eyes Wide Shut
00:36:18.070 --> 00:36:20.289
in other media. Like, I know what it is. I've
00:36:20.289 --> 00:36:23.570
just never seen the movie. Whereas I have just
00:36:23.570 --> 00:36:25.369
completely been in the dark. Or clearly been
00:36:25.369 --> 00:36:30.130
to a party. No, I've never been to a party. I'm
00:36:30.130 --> 00:36:32.210
a little too vanilla for that. What was that
00:36:32.210 --> 00:36:34.369
meme that's on the internet? If you're a good
00:36:34.369 --> 00:36:37.070
girl, you need to find a slutty friend to help
00:36:37.070 --> 00:36:39.230
teach you all the ways to keep your man happy.
00:36:39.969 --> 00:36:42.730
This is clearly evidence that I'm a slutty friend.
00:36:43.190 --> 00:36:49.090
Thank you for your service. You're welcome. So
00:36:49.090 --> 00:36:52.269
speaking of this inappropriate almost number.
00:36:52.489 --> 00:36:55.889
Guys, we're three words in. Cassie, shut your
00:36:55.889 --> 00:36:58.269
mouth. I only have like a dozen notes for this
00:36:58.269 --> 00:37:03.199
chapter. Okay. Calm down. So this means that
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:05.920
only two people didn't make it up the final gauntlet,
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.480
which I find very impressive. Only two people
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.179
died because our number before the final gauntlet
00:37:11.179 --> 00:37:16.280
was 171. Which is just amazing to me. We're coming
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:19.239
to a consensus here. Either they got stabbed
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.059
at the bottom of the rope or they fell off the
00:37:21.059 --> 00:37:26.579
mountain. Yes. Okay. Okay. I had to make sure
00:37:26.579 --> 00:37:29.199
we were all on the same page here. And remember
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.300
that 300 of them started this. So going into
00:37:32.300 --> 00:37:34.440
the first look the dragons are going to get,
00:37:34.579 --> 00:37:39.179
not even bonding, just first looks. And yeah,
00:37:39.219 --> 00:37:42.460
they're all almost half gone. The rate of attrition,
00:37:42.500 --> 00:37:44.619
because it's been three months. Oh, we missed
00:37:44.619 --> 00:37:46.920
this little aspect, Abby. It's been three months,
00:37:47.019 --> 00:37:50.309
but time has finally slowed down again. Yes,
00:37:50.309 --> 00:37:52.230
thank you. I meant to bring this up last chapter
00:37:52.230 --> 00:37:54.750
just because we had discussed how the first several
00:37:54.750 --> 00:37:56.929
chapters are over two days and then we get like
00:37:56.929 --> 00:37:59.550
all out of nowhere, like a nine day time jump
00:37:59.550 --> 00:38:03.469
and then we're just blasting through a couple
00:38:03.469 --> 00:38:07.650
months there. Starting in chapter 11 and then
00:38:07.650 --> 00:38:10.369
going through the end of threshing, like we are
00:38:10.369 --> 00:38:14.070
down again to like a two day time span over several
00:38:14.070 --> 00:38:19.960
chapters. Time dilation. Which, I mean, it makes
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:24.860
sense. Kind of have to... Remember, I just sent
00:38:24.860 --> 00:38:26.780
you guys this reel, and I don't know if you guys
00:38:26.780 --> 00:38:29.119
have gotten to it yet, but Rebecca Yaros actually
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.840
said that she had to cut material from this book.
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:34.820
She had to cut a chapter and kind of change the
00:38:34.820 --> 00:38:37.679
plotline a tiny bit, a small aspect of the plotline,
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.139
because the book was over the... Wasn't that
00:38:40.139 --> 00:38:43.409
a Dane thing? Yeah, I think it was a Dane. Yes,
00:38:43.650 --> 00:38:48.090
Dane had to get the journal or the research from
00:38:48.090 --> 00:38:52.230
Violet's mom's office alone. That was his dad's
00:38:52.230 --> 00:38:55.670
office. It was his dad's office now. Semantics.
00:38:57.469 --> 00:38:58.650
I'm going to call semantics. Details matter.
00:38:59.869 --> 00:39:02.650
Anyway, Dane said that a word had been put up
00:39:02.650 --> 00:39:05.050
and only he could go in. The chapter that was
00:39:05.050 --> 00:39:07.869
cut was all of them going into the office with
00:39:07.869 --> 00:39:12.530
Dane to get the research. Oh, okay. I didn't
00:39:12.530 --> 00:39:15.010
know that. Yeah, she had to cut the chapter because
00:39:15.010 --> 00:39:18.010
it was technically too long. These books are
00:39:18.010 --> 00:39:19.929
actually bigger than her publisher wants them
00:39:19.929 --> 00:39:22.849
to be. They are quite long. They're not long
00:39:22.849 --> 00:39:25.210
enough. We also found out, and we're going to
00:39:25.210 --> 00:39:27.530
see how we feel about this when we finally reach
00:39:27.530 --> 00:39:31.369
it, that that last page surprise for us was not
00:39:31.369 --> 00:39:34.070
an intentional formatting choice. And if she
00:39:34.070 --> 00:39:36.449
had been aware of it, she would have insisted
00:39:36.449 --> 00:39:39.530
that they make some change to not let that happen.
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.480
yeah I don't know I kind of think it's perfect
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:47.780
but it's perfect and devious and I hate it so
00:39:47.780 --> 00:39:50.039
in case anybody is confused what we're talking
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.699
about The very last page of Onyx Storm basically
00:39:53.699 --> 00:39:56.780
ends at the bottom of the page. So there's really
00:39:56.780 --> 00:39:59.420
no way to know that it is the end of the book
00:39:59.420 --> 00:40:01.519
until you turn the page and there is no more
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.460
writing. When you look at the lines as they line
00:40:03.460 --> 00:40:05.940
up page to page to the one next to it, it literally
00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:08.900
is on the last line of typeset text that has
00:40:08.900 --> 00:40:11.300
existed on every page up till now. And you reach
00:40:11.300 --> 00:40:14.400
it and you flip and then you... And it's done.
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.940
And then you want to hunt down Rebecca Yaros
00:40:16.940 --> 00:40:19.949
and demand that she give you the answers. That's
00:40:19.949 --> 00:40:22.190
funny. So this copy of Iron Flame that I'm or
00:40:22.190 --> 00:40:25.230
of Fourth Wing that I'm holding. Wait, what am
00:40:25.230 --> 00:40:27.349
I? Hold on. Let me just verify I'm holding the
00:40:27.349 --> 00:40:31.010
correct book. Yes. Okay. It has a different chapter
00:40:31.010 --> 00:40:34.250
from a different book at the end of it. Oh, okay.
00:40:34.369 --> 00:40:36.469
That explains why I don't recognize these names.
00:40:37.710 --> 00:40:40.670
Well, the excerpt from the other book also ends
00:40:40.670 --> 00:40:43.309
at the bottom of the page. I noticed that on
00:40:43.309 --> 00:40:46.590
my copy too. Just in case. Yeah, it does. Oh,
00:40:46.610 --> 00:40:49.269
mine ends one line from the bottom of the page,
00:40:49.329 --> 00:40:51.170
but it's close enough to make it seem like it
00:40:51.170 --> 00:40:54.360
could continue. Okay, okay. Y 'all, three words
00:40:54.360 --> 00:41:01.380
in. If the people that are listening don't expect
00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:04.059
this from us, I don't know what to say. If you
00:41:04.059 --> 00:41:06.980
don't want this level of close analysis, of close
00:41:06.980 --> 00:41:13.380
reading, turn it off. Find another podcast. We
00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:16.019
find out that our girl, despite her penalty with
00:41:16.019 --> 00:41:19.420
the rope, manages to get her squad into the first
00:41:19.420 --> 00:41:22.199
third of squads that will be presented to the
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:26.320
dragons in the next few hours. This piss -inducing
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:29.960
parade, as it is described, as the dragons get
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:31.940
their first glimpse, as I've said before, of
00:41:31.940 --> 00:41:35.159
these cadets. Violet is suddenly gripped with
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.119
the fact that her body is not exactly happy with
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.000
what she's been doing to it for the last couple
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:43.079
of days, but she tries to fight forward despite
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.059
the fear that's also gripping her stomach that
00:41:46.059 --> 00:41:49.559
wishes that she had placed last. We also get
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:54.219
a name for the very first time. Our boy Liam
00:41:54.219 --> 00:41:58.559
gets called out for the fastest time on the gauntlet.
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:01.119
That's not the first time we get his name. I'm
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:03.119
pretty sure it's the first time we get his. We
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:10.719
get it in the Eyes Wide Shut party. And Violet
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:12.559
knows him because he's the best in their year.
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:14.820
You're right. I'm sorry. I think I said this
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:20.179
all last time, too. It's Liam! I wrote Liam in
00:42:20.179 --> 00:42:23.179
all caps, three exclamation points, three hearts,
00:42:23.260 --> 00:42:24.760
and then underlined, underlined, underlined.
00:42:24.940 --> 00:42:29.110
I love Liam. And we get the phrase, pretty sure
00:42:29.110 --> 00:42:31.050
that guy doesn't know how to take second place.
00:42:31.230 --> 00:42:35.090
And I, like, when she makes that comment about
00:42:35.090 --> 00:42:37.489
he was already perfect, I'm like, you bitch,
00:42:37.489 --> 00:42:40.530
you wrote him that way. Yeah, you're the one
00:42:40.530 --> 00:42:43.670
who made him a Gary Stu, ma 'am. And then we
00:42:43.670 --> 00:42:45.389
get to the paragraph I was looking at earlier
00:42:45.389 --> 00:42:47.070
when we had our whole stream of consciousness
00:42:47.070 --> 00:42:50.500
conversation. Which is that, like, this description,
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:52.820
the autumn -colored meadows and peaks rising
00:42:52.820 --> 00:42:55.760
on three sides and the box canyon and training
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:59.300
field and all these... The line of the waterfall
00:42:59.300 --> 00:43:02.159
that might just be a trickle of a creek at runoff.
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.199
Who actually observes all of that fucking detail
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.320
in their day -to -day life? If I was a character
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:10.579
in a book... Our girl Violet was raised to be
00:43:10.579 --> 00:43:14.449
a scribe. There's that. And also, I guess maybe
00:43:14.449 --> 00:43:16.590
this isn't that different as someone who has
00:43:16.590 --> 00:43:19.170
literally been writing her whole life as soon
00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:22.170
as I knew how. If I was the main character in
00:43:22.170 --> 00:43:24.070
a book and it was stream of consciousness, this
00:43:24.070 --> 00:43:27.250
is still like, honestly, you might have more
00:43:27.250 --> 00:43:29.570
interruptions to be like, oh my gosh, this rock,
00:43:29.710 --> 00:43:32.429
guys. See, and like that. I was going to say,
00:43:32.550 --> 00:43:34.489
like, I would notice all that. Fixation on like
00:43:34.489 --> 00:43:37.909
a specific one detail, that is stream of consciousness
00:43:37.909 --> 00:43:41.510
to me. But like the, the. Picture -esque painting
00:43:41.510 --> 00:43:46.369
of the background in one paragraph. I mean, you
00:43:46.369 --> 00:43:48.170
didn't see the mountains I saw this week, so
00:43:48.170 --> 00:43:52.110
honestly. I know, I miss my mountains. Same girl,
00:43:52.130 --> 00:43:55.750
same violet. John just gave us the double bird.
00:43:55.989 --> 00:43:58.769
Yeah, I miss my mountains. I'm over here on the
00:43:58.769 --> 00:44:01.090
coast where there's hills. They call them mountains,
00:44:01.190 --> 00:44:03.989
they're hills. And they barely qualify as that.
00:44:05.090 --> 00:44:10.469
Yeah. Okay. We get a comment that follows setting
00:44:10.469 --> 00:44:12.789
in. The trees are turning. It's as though someone
00:44:12.789 --> 00:44:15.289
has brought in a paintbrush and streaked it across
00:44:15.289 --> 00:44:17.929
the landscape. Perhaps using words, you might
00:44:17.929 --> 00:44:22.710
say. And then we get the call out for what everyone's
00:44:22.710 --> 00:44:28.090
here for. The dragons. I love this dimensionality.
00:44:28.750 --> 00:44:32.900
Averaging 25 feet tall. Oh, my God. So I've had
00:44:32.900 --> 00:44:35.500
this thought process in my brain before of, like,
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:37.960
let's just, like, actually have that fantasy
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.880
of Taron exists and I can bring him into this
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.920
world. Do you guys think I could get him to stick
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.719
his head right here at my porch without crushing
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:52.300
any of the houses on the floor? No! Because he's
00:44:52.300 --> 00:44:55.179
bigger than the average. I know, and so I just
00:44:55.179 --> 00:44:57.880
keep looking at it, and I'm like, yeah, if dragons
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.760
existed in today's society, they'd land in the
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:03.500
middle of a street, spread out, and crush five
00:45:03.500 --> 00:45:06.739
houses. Yeah, infrastructure would have to be
00:45:06.739 --> 00:45:08.300
quite different. Maybe not in Darna, though.
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.719
Yes, younger dragons. Yeah, younger dragons are
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:15.300
safer. Garrick begins leading second squad as
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:17.900
they head their way towards presentation and
00:45:17.900 --> 00:45:22.920
orders them all into formation. Oh, I have a
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.639
note here, but you keep going. I was going to
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:27.199
say, I got a feeling I know what this note is.
00:45:27.380 --> 00:45:30.360
We get this interesting dialogue on patches and
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.559
a fun comparison. Remember, Zayden abhors patches.
00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:37.639
Garrick does not. It seems that he is very kind
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:40.639
of by the rules in a lot of different ways. He
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:43.679
is there to support. He is there to be second.
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.059
And that means he does not make the rules. He
00:45:46.059 --> 00:45:50.119
follows the rules. I also think it's hilarious
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.099
because this is such an interesting comparison.
00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:55.900
Cousin and cousin. Hmm. Which one might love
00:45:55.900 --> 00:46:00.539
Violet more? I'm never going to give it up. Never
00:46:00.539 --> 00:46:03.019
going to give you up. Never going to let you
00:46:03.019 --> 00:46:05.000
down. Wait, are we talking about Garak or Bodhi?
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:08.820
Are we talking about Bodhi? This is Garak. I'm
00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:11.980
pretty sure I was talking about Garak. Garak's
00:46:11.980 --> 00:46:14.039
not the president. No, you're right. I do this
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.320
every episode. God damn it. You shouldn't drink
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:18.760
on these episodes. I was going to say, like,
00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:22.679
I am feeling Garak in this paragraph, though.
00:46:23.019 --> 00:46:27.059
I know, boy. Just remember, Imogen will cut you
00:46:27.059 --> 00:46:32.179
for him. Imogen? Yeah, oh, Imogen's all about
00:46:32.179 --> 00:46:35.579
Garak. Yeah, Imogen and Garak. Oh, right. You
00:46:35.579 --> 00:46:37.860
know, I get really confused about whether she's
00:46:37.860 --> 00:46:41.840
into Garak or Quinn, so... No, she's just besties
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:43.679
with Quinn. Quinn has a beau. I was going to
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.760
say, they're sisters. Quinn has a girlfriend.
00:46:46.179 --> 00:46:49.179
Yeah, no, but just, yeah, this paragraph talks
00:46:49.179 --> 00:46:52.780
about the relic on the forearm gleaming in the
00:46:52.780 --> 00:46:56.280
sun. And I don't know if I want him or want to
00:46:56.280 --> 00:47:03.400
be him. I also I'll take option A thank you I'm
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:05.840
very interested by the fact that these black
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.760
relics are constantly being described as gleaming
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:12.019
or almost shining like they're they themselves
00:47:12.019 --> 00:47:17.800
are not black but like metallic almost in reflectiveness
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:21.679
oh yeah or they're just sweaty all the time or
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.559
both who isn't girl who isn't I mean, honestly,
00:47:25.739 --> 00:47:32.699
I'm sweating right now. Same. But on an actual
00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:37.579
book analysis note. Lay it on us. So she talks
00:47:37.579 --> 00:47:40.519
about Dane and she doesn't know how he would
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.119
feel about her succeeding the gauntlet and getting
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.679
to this next situation and her bending the rules.
00:47:48.909 --> 00:47:51.730
But then she says how she feels, and I made a
00:47:51.730 --> 00:47:53.949
note that this is her starting to form a sense
00:47:53.949 --> 00:47:57.389
of self that diverges from her relationship with
00:47:57.389 --> 00:48:01.590
Dane. It's not about who she is in relationship
00:48:01.590 --> 00:48:03.429
to him anymore. It's about who she is in relation
00:48:03.429 --> 00:48:08.289
to herself and her own goals. Yeah, my note on
00:48:08.289 --> 00:48:11.250
that is just she's seriously worried that Dane
00:48:11.250 --> 00:48:14.869
will be disappointment that she survived. Disappointment?
00:48:14.869 --> 00:48:18.260
Because she bent the rules. I heard disappointment.
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:22.320
Don't you mean disappointed? Yes. I'm a little
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:29.099
tipsy. Cheers, girl. She's seriously worried
00:48:29.099 --> 00:48:31.880
Dane will be disappointed that she survived.
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:35.719
Because the way that she survived was by bending
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:37.940
the rules, not even breaking them. She was correct
00:48:37.940 --> 00:48:40.639
on the technicality. So I would even say she
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:44.019
didn't even bend the rules. follow the rules
00:48:44.019 --> 00:48:47.159
just not in like to the letter necessarily yeah
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:49.980
so i'm just like that's so fucked and i mean
00:48:49.980 --> 00:48:52.099
we get more of this of course after threshing
00:48:52.099 --> 00:48:54.340
when it's the whole like zaynabing like would
00:48:54.340 --> 00:48:58.539
you have saved her and he's like no yeah and
00:48:58.539 --> 00:49:01.679
it's just like it's it's so fucked it's so fucked
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.059
that he like he holds the rules in such high
00:49:04.059 --> 00:49:07.719
regard over the girl that he supposedly loves
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:14.420
yeah As they gather into formation, they hear
00:49:14.420 --> 00:49:18.500
a sound like rushing wind, and Violet knows someone
00:49:18.500 --> 00:49:21.119
has been found lacking. So there's one death.
00:49:22.539 --> 00:49:27.739
Two died going up the mountain. 168. We finally
00:49:27.739 --> 00:49:31.219
stopped 69ing. Damn it. Yep, off of the sexy
00:49:31.219 --> 00:49:33.659
number. Do you think she did that on purpose?
00:49:34.579 --> 00:49:37.500
I don't know. Maybe. We made it to the next page.
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:39.139
We can finally talk about the numbers again.
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:45.119
We're not three words in. And then we get instructions
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:49.440
for what will be, relatively speaking, the easiest
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:54.079
task that there is to complete. Go for a walk.
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:59.280
Stay on the path. Do not make eye contact. Keep
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:02.380
gentle conversation going, chat among your friends,
00:50:02.659 --> 00:50:06.219
you know, just a little stroll down the meadow
00:50:06.219 --> 00:50:11.260
and hopefully you don't die. Casual walk. Yes,
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:15.940
I made the most obvious comparison that has been
00:50:15.940 --> 00:50:18.380
made about dragons many a time, which is that
00:50:18.380 --> 00:50:21.500
they're like cats. They have to come to you.
00:50:21.929 --> 00:50:24.530
They have to choose you. You can only actively
00:50:24.530 --> 00:50:28.010
annoy them after they like you. You can't make
00:50:28.010 --> 00:50:31.610
the eye contact. I really like how to train your
00:50:31.610 --> 00:50:34.110
dragons depiction of dragons because they are
00:50:34.110 --> 00:50:38.110
absolutely cats. I'm pretty sure someone told
00:50:38.110 --> 00:50:40.849
me recently that Toothless was actually modeled
00:50:40.849 --> 00:50:44.070
after one of the animator's cats. Oh, I mean,
00:50:44.510 --> 00:50:47.710
they're scared of eels. And his facial expressions
00:50:47.710 --> 00:50:53.280
are so much like Clyde's. Oh, I love How to Train
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.099
Your Dragon. I showed it to Noah and he wasn't
00:50:55.099 --> 00:50:57.619
a huge fan, but there's like a How to Train Your
00:50:57.619 --> 00:50:59.360
Dragon show that he loves and I'm like, okay,
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.940
rude. So I might try to show it to him again.
00:51:03.059 --> 00:51:09.400
I'm sorry. He might grow into it. Oh, okay. I
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:11.440
will say that he loves The Princess Bride and
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.460
Labyrinth with David Bowie. I might have mentioned
00:51:13.460 --> 00:51:15.480
that on the pod before, but that's one of my
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.860
proudest mom moments is that he loves those movies.
00:51:21.150 --> 00:51:24.630
Anyway, sorry. We begin getting some instructions
00:51:24.630 --> 00:51:27.650
that are actually useful to the walk at hand.
00:51:28.269 --> 00:51:31.130
Notably that it's worthwhile to keep a little
00:51:31.130 --> 00:51:34.369
distance between everybody because once one person
00:51:34.369 --> 00:51:36.769
goes up, everyone around them is likely to go
00:51:36.769 --> 00:51:40.510
with them if you don't. They would rather burn
00:51:40.510 --> 00:51:43.510
folks that they like instead of letting one that
00:51:43.510 --> 00:51:46.650
they don't continue on. They'll just take the
00:51:46.650 --> 00:51:50.289
whole lot. It's easier. it's like pulling weeds
00:51:50.289 --> 00:51:53.090
you're like i'm sorry you're an okay plant but
00:51:53.090 --> 00:51:56.909
you're surrounded by horrible awful death plants
00:51:56.909 --> 00:52:02.030
and i can't separate have to die yeah yeah yeah
00:52:02.030 --> 00:52:04.769
and then we get the last instruction remember
00:52:04.769 --> 00:52:08.329
you are here to approach them or sorry not here
00:52:08.329 --> 00:52:11.159
to approach them I love that I do that every
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:14.079
episode that I have to be in charge of. Let me
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.539
just say the opposite of what I mean. The knot
00:52:16.539 --> 00:52:19.579
was hidden inside the crease, or inside the...
00:52:19.579 --> 00:52:24.699
Not even covered by a sticky note. Not even covered
00:52:24.699 --> 00:52:28.460
by a sticky note. And then we get Luca. Aw, poor
00:52:28.460 --> 00:52:32.159
Luca. I don't have any sympathy for Luca. Not
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:36.719
that poor Luca. Fucker. oh i just want to say
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:39.840
real quick with drew reading through these he's
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:41.400
only he's been reading through them so quickly
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:43.380
now that he's only been giving me sporadic updates
00:52:43.380 --> 00:52:46.340
and he kind of gave up on his sticky noting after
00:52:46.340 --> 00:52:48.260
a bit because he was just freezing through it
00:52:48.260 --> 00:52:54.000
um but he was so happy about luca getting torched
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:59.360
i think i said the first time i read i was like
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:03.909
good yeah bye bitch Apparently they didn't like
00:53:03.909 --> 00:53:05.449
her. Yeah, we'll get to that. We'll get to that.
00:53:05.530 --> 00:53:09.130
And she pipes in with the, can I ask a question?
00:53:09.269 --> 00:53:12.750
Let me tell you facts. And I just want to call
00:53:12.750 --> 00:53:15.949
this out because when I went to that TJ Klum
00:53:15.949 --> 00:53:17.730
talk and took questions at the end, he actually
00:53:17.730 --> 00:53:20.610
called this practice out. And he was like, coming
00:53:20.610 --> 00:53:22.550
up and saying, I have a question and then telling
00:53:22.550 --> 00:53:24.809
me your life story before asking a three sentence
00:53:24.809 --> 00:53:27.909
or a three word question is not actually asking
00:53:27.909 --> 00:53:29.769
a question. Other people are here for questions
00:53:29.769 --> 00:53:34.940
too. That is so common at readings and I have
00:53:34.940 --> 00:53:39.039
mixed feelings about it. Yeah. Yeah. And then
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:42.159
we find out that there is quote unquote a feather
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:49.519
tail. And then we begin getting what will be
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.059
the series of reactions that ultimately decide
00:53:52.059 --> 00:53:56.420
whether or not the squad will sink or swim. Up
00:53:56.420 --> 00:53:59.800
first, we have Tynan, a scrawny little. Graggly
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:02.019
brat who can't figure out who he wants to be,
00:54:02.139 --> 00:54:05.739
bully or squad me, wondering who the hell would
00:54:05.739 --> 00:54:09.079
ever want to bond a feather tail. Well, it works
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:12.480
out fine in the end, doesn't it? Continuing on,
00:54:12.500 --> 00:54:15.699
Sawyer, our bro, tries to rationalize the matter
00:54:15.699 --> 00:54:18.360
without actually addressing the quality of the
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:23.159
dragon tail at hand by simply saying, I've memorized
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:26.119
all the dragons at hand. There be no feather
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:30.610
tails. I know. I memorized. i'm sorry i love
00:54:30.610 --> 00:54:33.590
sawyer he's such a nerd like i went through and
00:54:33.590 --> 00:54:36.030
i memorized them all i can tell you their ages
00:54:36.030 --> 00:54:38.469
i can tell you their lineages i can tell you
00:54:38.469 --> 00:54:40.849
their color and tail i can tell you the size
00:54:40.849 --> 00:54:44.110
absolutely he's like i'm not fucking this up
00:54:44.110 --> 00:54:47.829
again you guys like this is my year if it isn't
00:54:47.829 --> 00:54:52.639
this time it'll never happen anyway All hundred
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:54.320
of them. And that's a quick note there because
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:56.880
yeah, 169 people went into presentation, but
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:01.780
only a hundred max can bond. But bond. Bond.
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:06.679
Bond. Bond. Bond. And then Garrett tries to console
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:08.860
them by reminding them feather tails don't bond.
00:55:09.099 --> 00:55:11.320
I can't even remember the last time one has been
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:14.269
seen outside the valley. Well, you can't remember
00:55:14.269 --> 00:55:16.670
it because it hasn't happened in your lifetime,
00:55:16.949 --> 00:55:19.530
Garrett. Right? Like, there's a reason you can't
00:55:19.530 --> 00:55:21.769
remember, bitch. And they're told that they just
00:55:21.769 --> 00:55:24.409
walk up, stay on the path, stop at the end until
00:55:24.409 --> 00:55:26.869
everyone gets there, walk back down, and they're
00:55:26.869 --> 00:55:31.289
done. How hard could it be? Who could screw this
00:55:31.289 --> 00:55:34.670
up, right? Clearly they haven't met any of my
00:55:34.670 --> 00:55:39.909
undergrads. Good one. Oh, God, that's a good
00:55:39.909 --> 00:55:47.010
one. Burn them. Burn. Literally. I really wish
00:55:47.010 --> 00:55:49.230
that my students got punished with dragon fire
00:55:49.230 --> 00:55:53.389
for breaking the rule. Makes shit a lot easier,
00:55:53.429 --> 00:55:57.530
I think. Yep. Fewer papers to grade. Fewer papers
00:55:57.530 --> 00:56:03.099
to grade. That is a valid point. That wasn't
00:56:03.099 --> 00:56:07.420
your first concern? No. No, I was more like the
00:56:07.420 --> 00:56:10.179
stupid ones will get burned fast and then I'll
00:56:10.179 --> 00:56:12.099
just have like the compliance students who actually
00:56:12.099 --> 00:56:14.960
make the effort because if they do the job well,
00:56:15.059 --> 00:56:18.219
the job is easier to grade. That's true. That's
00:56:18.219 --> 00:56:22.960
true. Oh, I'm getting flashbacks now. I am just
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.699
such an asshole. And we love you, Forrest. I
00:56:27.699 --> 00:56:32.710
know. Garrick passes our group off over to the
00:56:32.710 --> 00:56:35.849
Quadrant Senior Wing Leader, who I'm trying to
00:56:35.849 --> 00:56:37.690
remember the name of because I can't see it right
00:56:37.690 --> 00:56:39.389
now, and I know it's here, but I'm missing it.
00:56:39.389 --> 00:56:41.909
Did they give it to us? She's not just she this
00:56:41.909 --> 00:56:43.969
whole time? A woman I've seen a few times in
00:56:43.969 --> 00:56:46.750
Battlebrief murmuring to Zayden. Yeah, I don't
00:56:46.750 --> 00:56:47.929
see her name. But I swear to God that we got
00:56:47.929 --> 00:56:51.309
her name when they gave the speeches. Because
00:56:51.309 --> 00:56:53.329
she was the one that gave the speech before Zayden.
00:56:53.449 --> 00:56:58.119
Oh! yeah right she just keeps saying the senior
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:01.360
wing leader the senior wing let me look hold
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:09.000
on hold on um naira thank you brunette woman
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:11.619
with wide shoulders and a scarred sneer stalks
00:57:11.619 --> 00:57:13.519
forward the silver spikes on the shoulders of
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:15.940
her uniform flashing in the sunlight i'm naira
00:57:15.940 --> 00:57:17.619
the senior wing leader of the quadrant and the
00:57:17.619 --> 00:57:21.000
head of the first wing page 40 at least if you
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:24.760
are reading the same edition as i I was going
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:27.179
to say, the broad shoulders, no wonder she's
00:57:27.179 --> 00:57:30.099
wearing those spikes, which I totally forgot
00:57:30.099 --> 00:57:33.159
about in that other section when she's first.
00:57:34.190 --> 00:57:37.110
introduced to us but in this chapter I made the
00:57:37.110 --> 00:57:40.010
little note that I want shoulder spike accessories
00:57:40.010 --> 00:57:43.969
I also have broad shoulders and love accentuating
00:57:43.969 --> 00:57:46.809
them and I have been seeing shoulder jewelry
00:57:46.809 --> 00:57:51.010
on social media in the past year that if it wasn't
00:57:51.010 --> 00:57:54.530
so expensive and impractical I would be investing
00:57:54.530 --> 00:57:58.469
in And I complained, like, why does this never
00:57:58.469 --> 00:58:01.309
come back again in World? Like, why is no one
00:58:01.309 --> 00:58:03.670
else wearing shoulder spikes? It's just this
00:58:03.670 --> 00:58:07.690
woman twice. Maybe they all are. My question
00:58:07.690 --> 00:58:11.929
is, does this mean that Navar is currently in
00:58:11.929 --> 00:58:15.110
its shoulder pad era? Is this basically the 80s?
00:58:15.630 --> 00:58:20.079
It is. It's the 80s. It would be if... anyone
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:22.199
else was doing it, but it kind of sounds like
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.760
maybe it's just this woman. Maybe it's the 70s
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:27.239
and she's the trendsetter. I would love to be
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:34.559
stood corrected on this point. I would love to
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:42.480
be stood corrected. Okay. What I love about Naira,
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:45.900
though, is that where Garrick was actually speaking
00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:49.199
in sentences, which invited conversation back,
00:58:49.500 --> 00:58:52.699
Naira is not. You understand that she is using
00:58:52.699 --> 00:58:56.880
almost monosyllabic communication here. As few
00:58:56.880 --> 00:59:01.119
words as possible. Single file. Talk. Not to
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:03.980
me. Well, she's been through 10 squads already.
00:59:04.099 --> 00:59:06.280
She's like already over it. Garrick has only
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:09.199
been having to do fourth wing. Yeah, that's awesome.
00:59:09.260 --> 00:59:11.699
And he has to interact with them like on a daily
00:59:11.699 --> 00:59:14.059
basis. And she's just like, I'm just here to
00:59:14.059 --> 00:59:16.519
administrate you guys for a day. All of them.
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:19.460
I don't know who you are. Even though she's senior
00:59:19.460 --> 00:59:23.239
wing leader over all of them. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah.
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So she only has to deal with the higher ups.
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The other wing leaders. She does give us this
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little bit of feedback here. Feel free to look
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at the dragons if they're showing off their tails,
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which makes me just love the idea of a dragon
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just like, yeah, look at my butt. Look at my
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butt. See, that's definitely Millie. Okay, wait,
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hold on, though. Going back to the first thing
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she says, I know we already referenced that they
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need to be having a conversation. She says, talk.
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Nice day for a presentation, Rydock jokes. I
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said Rydock because Cassie says Rydock critic.
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I have no internal consistency. But I just wanted
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to point out that that's the same thing that
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I would say or do to this kind of thing because
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I'm just a little smartass. And so this also
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reminds me of, so not only am I a smartass, but
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I tend to think things very literally. And this
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reminds me of a story. When I was a junior counselor
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at Camp Reed summer camp, shout out if anyone
01:00:30.710 --> 01:00:34.250
is listening that has been to Camp Reed. One
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of the... the rotating duties was KP or kitchen
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patrol, where you would go in and you would help
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prep the meal and then serve the meal. And that
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would be your duty for the day. And I went in
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and there was a counselor who was really intimidating,
01:00:46.849 --> 01:00:50.309
but I got to know him better. And he was just
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like a really, he was a sweetheart, but he was
01:00:52.530 --> 01:00:54.929
just, he came off very intimidating. And so he
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came up to me like all, you know, like as Rebecca
01:00:58.309 --> 01:01:02.780
would say, six, all six foot. Four inches and
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six, whatever. Okay. Six foot six. Because I
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can't remember. He's six foot four. He's hulking.
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And he comes up to me and he goes, Abby, twist.
01:01:11.460 --> 01:01:14.320
And I look at him with fear in my eye and I start
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:20.119
like dancing. Doing the twist. I have no fucking
01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:24.190
clue what he's talking about. And he just loses
01:01:24.190 --> 01:01:27.170
it. He laughs. He goes, no, the drink twist.
01:01:27.309 --> 01:01:30.730
Go get the drink powder and make twist. And I'm
01:01:30.730 --> 01:01:36.630
like, okay. And I did not ever live that down.
01:01:36.750 --> 01:01:41.130
Oh, my gosh. So just imagine, like, 16 -year
01:01:41.130 --> 01:01:46.590
-old me, like. Do the twist. For the listeners,
01:01:46.710 --> 01:01:50.289
both Abby and John have their arms up, elbows
01:01:50.289 --> 01:01:53.369
bent at waist. And if you can see my leg, I'm
01:01:53.369 --> 01:01:57.130
twisting my... I was very disappointed that no
01:01:57.130 --> 01:01:59.849
one commented about me getting myself into position
01:01:59.849 --> 01:02:02.889
and literally like putting my ass up to the camera
01:02:02.889 --> 01:02:05.750
with my head turned around like, look at my butt.
01:02:06.150 --> 01:02:08.809
Sorry, John did shake his butt at us a minute
01:02:08.809 --> 01:02:14.619
ago. Guys, if we become more popular, we might
01:02:14.619 --> 01:02:17.679
have to start actually recording video to like,
01:02:17.699 --> 01:02:22.860
if we do like a Patreon or something. I get a
01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:25.300
kick out of it. Other people might as well. We
01:02:25.300 --> 01:02:28.280
can consider that a fan negotiated possibility.
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:32.360
That will be probably three times as much editing.
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:40.699
Yeah. Oh, Cassie, don't ruin my day. I just wanted
01:02:40.699 --> 01:02:45.000
to, Sorry, John. I was so distracted by you doing
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.380
what Millie does all the time and having those
01:02:47.380 --> 01:02:56.500
images overlaid in my brain. She always flicks
01:02:56.500 --> 01:02:58.719
her little tail around like a flag. She gets
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:02.239
so excited about the butt scritches. We also
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:04.880
get this other tidbit here. There is a correlation
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.440
between bonded cadets and level of chatter as
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:10.119
it lets the dragons understand how you work with
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.940
others. Which is an interesting little concept
01:03:12.940 --> 01:03:16.260
here. Since they don't seem to care about teamwork
01:03:16.260 --> 01:03:21.179
in Navarre. And yet the people who work together
01:03:21.179 --> 01:03:25.519
are the ones that make it. I think the dragons
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:28.019
are trying to tell us something. And then with
01:03:28.019 --> 01:03:31.329
one last little set of words here. We get the
01:03:31.329 --> 01:03:35.070
best line of the day. See you after your stroll.
01:03:35.989 --> 01:03:39.670
Some of you. And I swear to God, the original
01:03:39.670 --> 01:03:42.409
audio book, the person that was narrating it.
01:03:42.489 --> 01:03:45.210
I follow this woman on Instagram and she's an
01:03:45.210 --> 01:03:49.239
audio book narrator. she'll just set up her goblin
01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:52.039
is it the book goblin lady not book goblin lady
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.760
she's an author okay she's an author now this
01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:57.119
woman has oh right not a narrator oh oh yeah
01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:59.000
the straight hair and always has the headphones
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.400
on and so yeah she does a lot of smutty books
01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:03.360
and like she'll get to some smart ass line or
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.000
some smutty thing and not have been prepared
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.389
to say it and she'll just say it and go well,
01:04:08.429 --> 01:04:11.710
that was catty as fuck, or that was bratty, or,
01:04:11.710 --> 01:04:14.869
well, damn, or my parents can't listen to this.
01:04:14.989 --> 01:04:17.349
Like, the range of reactions from this woman
01:04:17.349 --> 01:04:19.090
where she just has to hit the pause button on
01:04:19.090 --> 01:04:21.289
a recording and be like, shit, I can't, I gotta
01:04:21.289 --> 01:04:26.949
reset here. I do enjoy her stuff, too. I'll try
01:04:26.949 --> 01:04:29.269
to, next time I see one of her videos pop up,
01:04:29.309 --> 01:04:31.449
I'll try to remember to see her screen name and
01:04:31.449 --> 01:04:34.429
send it to you guys to include in chat stuff,
01:04:34.530 --> 01:04:37.130
or in description stuff. In the show notes? Yes.
01:04:37.610 --> 01:04:40.050
In the places where the words and the things...
01:04:40.050 --> 01:04:43.110
In the doobity -doo. In the towel section down
01:04:43.110 --> 01:04:48.530
below. Editing Abby here. Quick point of clarification.
01:04:48.989 --> 01:04:51.289
John did change thoughts kind of midway through
01:04:51.289 --> 01:04:55.519
his sentence there. So the... fourth -wing audiobook
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:58.400
narrator that he had started to talk about is
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:01.400
not the same person as the woman he follows on
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.500
Instagram, who is also an audiobook narrator.
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:07.039
That audiobook narrator is Laura Horowitz. She
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:09.920
is on Instagram at Laura underscore Horowitz
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:12.579
underscore narrator, and she is linked down in
01:05:12.579 --> 01:05:16.260
the show notes below. And John wanted me to clarify
01:05:16.260 --> 01:05:18.119
for you all that the point that he was trying
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:19.980
to make was that in the fourth -wing audiobook,
01:05:20.889 --> 01:05:23.989
for the specific line, have a nice stroll. The
01:05:23.989 --> 01:05:26.269
voice actor who said the specific line had a
01:05:26.269 --> 01:05:28.889
lot of fun recording it in their best snobbish
01:05:28.889 --> 01:05:31.269
indifference and still mocking a little bit.
01:05:31.809 --> 01:05:34.869
And the connection there was it reminded him
01:05:34.869 --> 01:05:37.869
very much of how the narrator, Laura Horowitz,
01:05:38.050 --> 01:05:41.309
does her videos on Instagram. So hopefully that
01:05:41.309 --> 01:05:43.369
clears things up. I know I was a little confused
01:05:43.369 --> 01:05:45.809
when editing and had to do a little investigation
01:05:45.809 --> 01:05:49.409
into what he was trying to say there. So back
01:05:49.409 --> 01:05:55.719
to the show. And so our, I don't know what, trepidatious
01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:57.659
is a word, but not the word I was looking for.
01:05:57.820 --> 01:06:01.400
There's like a troubadour, a troubadour of cadets
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:06.880
sets off. And they go on their walk, a very simple
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:09.099
walk. As they begin, they give each other the
01:06:09.099 --> 01:06:12.539
suggested space. And we begin to get an instant
01:06:12.539 --> 01:06:16.139
sense of who may or may not actually survive
01:06:16.139 --> 01:06:18.679
the year. I'm just going to call this out here.
01:06:18.940 --> 01:06:21.440
First reaction, Tynan, I can't see their tails.
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:23.719
Do they want you to see their tails? Because
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:26.199
I remember the wanting you to see their tails
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:29.239
being a prerequisite to them showing their tails,
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:33.059
right? Oh, I also think it's funny. Okay, so
01:06:33.059 --> 01:06:34.920
they're talking about how many dragons there
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:39.139
are, like, a page ago, and how technically there's
01:06:39.139 --> 01:06:41.719
101, but obviously the feather tail's not going
01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:45.860
to bond. And then we get to this page, and Violet
01:06:45.860 --> 01:06:48.489
is like, And the 101 dragons who have decided
01:06:48.489 --> 01:06:53.309
to bond... Already corrected in her mind, right?
01:06:54.190 --> 01:06:56.750
I'm surprised we didn't see a retroactive cross
01:06:56.750 --> 01:06:59.889
out of 100 and rewrite of 101 in all the previous
01:06:59.889 --> 01:07:03.670
pages because of Violet's tendencies. And actually,
01:07:03.829 --> 01:07:08.269
we'll find out that there are 102. Technically,
01:07:08.289 --> 01:07:12.550
no. Taryn never actually consented to bond until
01:07:12.550 --> 01:07:17.079
he sees... And I don't know. I think that I think
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:20.639
that he I think scale has already been talking
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:23.420
to him about Violet. Oh, absolutely. I think
01:07:23.420 --> 01:07:25.599
I think he's thinking about it. He's obviously
01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:27.679
not there, but I think he's thinking about it.
01:07:27.900 --> 01:07:30.780
And like the reason we know that he knows is
01:07:30.780 --> 01:07:32.860
because the sharing of memories is considered
01:07:32.860 --> 01:07:36.500
to be a very intimate action, almost like something
01:07:36.500 --> 01:07:40.500
you do with a partner. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Right.
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:43.050
Because that was such a big deal later. And so
01:07:43.050 --> 01:07:45.429
it wouldn't surprise me if we find out that Taryn
01:07:45.429 --> 01:07:47.869
and Seagale have been actively sharing memories
01:07:47.869 --> 01:07:49.550
with each other and viewpoints with each other
01:07:49.550 --> 01:07:54.329
this entire time. And how many of those are just
01:07:54.329 --> 01:07:59.469
scale passing on what Zayden has seen? He's like,
01:07:59.530 --> 01:08:05.670
oh, the wing leader kind of digs this girl. What's
01:08:05.670 --> 01:08:08.989
up with that? And again, we get this comparison
01:08:08.989 --> 01:08:11.309
between Violet and Tynan where Tynan's like,
01:08:11.429 --> 01:08:13.429
how do I know which one I'm going to approach?
01:08:13.550 --> 01:08:15.349
And Violet's like, I'm pretty sure this whole
01:08:15.349 --> 01:08:17.710
walk is for them to decide whether they want
01:08:17.710 --> 01:08:22.510
to approach you, asshole. We had explicit instructions,
01:08:22.789 --> 01:08:25.510
pretty sure. We're really sure about this one
01:08:25.510 --> 01:08:27.449
here. This is like you're going to get roasted,
01:08:27.609 --> 01:08:39.359
you little bitch boy. Thank you so much for listening
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