Fourth Wing Chapter 11

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readers. Welcome to The Wing Raiders, where we
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deep dive into the Empyrean series chapter by
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chapter, theorize and overanalyze. I'm Abby.
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I'm John. And I'm Cassie. And today we are covering
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a fourth wing, a chapter 11. Here is your friendly
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reminder that all published material is fair
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game. So please listen at your own risk. And
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we are going to go into a battle brief where
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we talk about our pod and sometimes personal
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news. I wanted to share that on blue sky. We
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received a message from at Catherine wild writer.
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And it is discussing our last published episode,
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A Little Peek Behind the Curtain. The last one
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that just came out is chapter 5. We are recording
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chapter 11. But we had a note, and I will read
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this to you all. I like the fact in your latest
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episode that you took time to consider how hard
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it must be for Imogen. Most people just focus
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on the fight with Violet and overlook how Imogen
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must be feeling in this scene. As she is a year
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younger than Zayden, she would have been 16 at
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the time of the end of the rebellion, so would
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have been fully aware of what happened. It always
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amazes me that people overlook this and the fact
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that her sister was killed as well as her mother.
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With Zayden being the oldest quote child to survive
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at 17, this could mean that Imogen's sister could
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have been as young as 18 when she died. That
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for me makes the scene hit even more when Imogen
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says that her family was killed. Such a complex
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and interesting character. So this was an excellent
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point. Wanted to discuss this before we get to
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another message from her that I feel like there
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might be a little, maybe possibly a little difference
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in when adulthood truly is. We know that at 20
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is when they go into conscription or go into
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the war college. So there is a question of, are
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they children until they're 20? Are they adults
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at 18? But then there's kind of like a little
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buffer there. But that is a great point that
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her sister literally could have been just like
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a couple years older and could have been killed.
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I would guess possibly that her sister would
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have been at least 20. I would guess that anybody
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like actively in the rebellion would be. Well,
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I guess that's not quite true because I guess
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Zayden was definitely doing some stuff, but he
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was spared. So, yeah, I guess it would just come
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down to. Think about what we know about Imogen's
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family by and large because she really doesn't.
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Like Imogen never shares ever, which is a very
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big trauma trait. Like you don't want other people
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to know this weakness inside of you because you're
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afraid they're going to use it against you. And
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so there's a lot to be said with the fact that
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we don't know a whole lot. So I'm just thinking
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back here. The only thing we really know about
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her mother and her sister beyond their existence,
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Imogen's deep love for them and their death at
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the end of the rebellion is that her mom was
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a writer, right? We know that. That's the fact
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my brain is just trying to like... Do we know
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that? Maybe she wasn't. We just know that she
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was... Someone in her past was a writer, but
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I don't... This is fair. It makes me wonder,
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but it's... Along the way, all I can really recognize
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here is... I wonder, because we know Zayden's
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dad wasn't a writer. I wonder if the original
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Rebellion had any dragons in it. I feel like
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it had to have. It had to have. We also know
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for a fact, I'm pretty sure that we know Mama
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Sorengale was the one who hunted Imogen's mother
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and sister down. I know that she was instrumental
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in, yeah, ending the rebellion and like capturing
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Fen. So I would assume probably Imogen's mother
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as well. Yes. Either way, I just it's we don't
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know a whole lot here about Imogen's family,
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which raises a whole host of questions. There
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was another thing I was going to shout out here
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and I'm losing my train of thought because we
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got snug up on a couple of other points. I will
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say I'm doing a very, very quick scroll so I
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can look more into depth in this later, but I'm
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not seeing anything really about her mom at all.
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Other than there is last words of her mother.
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The last words of Triscilla Cardulo. Quote, fuck
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you. My daughter and I will meet Malik with clean
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consciences. Will you and your daughters be able
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to say the same when they come for you? So I'm
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not seeing anything about how she really fit
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in to the rebellion. But I can look more into
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that later. And so it's. Just a whole lot that
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we don't understand and that is going to give
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us a bunch of backstory on Imogen that we just
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do not have at this particular moment. We need
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to have to understand the depth of this character
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we really don't know anything about and we need
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to recognize we know nothing about. I don't even
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know if we know her true hair color. I don't
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think so. The one distinct characteristic fact
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that we know about Imogen is the one that she
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puts upon herself. It's her pink hair. Yeah,
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they never tell us what color her roots grow
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out as. Because she's always constantly dyeing
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it. Just that it's sometimes fresher than others.
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And she's always freshly dyed her hair. Is she
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dyeing her eyebrows too? Ooh, good question.
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There are ways. Yes, but there are also people
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who have blonder hair or certain colored hair
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where their eyebrows are darker just because...
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That's how the traits have started to work themselves
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out. So like our eyebrows are not always the
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most consistent tell of hair color. Sure. Leg
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hair, arm hair. She's just dying it all pink.
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That would be quite funny. That'd be exhausting.
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Her hair's short, right? I'm not making any sort
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of, it sounds like a decoration comment. So going
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forward with this message that we got from at
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Catherine Wilde writer on blue sky. She also
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pointed out that we need to look at her signets
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to see how tragic her character is. Wiping memories
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and turning things into stone means that she
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is still very much affected with what happened
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in the rebellion. So the mind wiping, I wanted
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to really hone in on that because that. reads
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to me as a deep need to forget for herself, a
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deep need to forget what she has seen, probably
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specifically. her mother and sister's execution
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and there could also be a double -sided need
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to this of if she is planning on continuing in
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her mother and sister's footsteps which i fully
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believe that she intended to from the get -go
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i don't think that zayden had to really recruit
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her by any means needing to hide her actions
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their actions from others to be able to stay
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under the radar. So I think that it is kind of
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a twofold, like a deep personal need, but also
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one that benefits the rebellion. And if we're
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looking at her second signet, which again, I
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feel like personally, I feel like we don't have
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enough information of her second signet to say
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for sure that it's turning things into stone.
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I think that is obviously the most likely. I
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think that. We would need to definitely see.
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What would be the alternative? Cause like she
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takes a shield, slams it into the ground and
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then to Dane's eyes, it turns to stone. So like
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the only other alternative is that she's somehow
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like drawing the stone up around the shield.
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Maybe. I, yeah, I don't know because it could
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be turning things into stone. It could be, yeah.
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Manipulating stone itself to kind of form like
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a. barrier or something it could also be some
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sort of transmutation it doesn't i don't think
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it necessarily needs to be stone we so really
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all we we see is her turning a leather shield
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i believe is that correct into stone i we know
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that leather was part of the shield i'm not gonna
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go so far as to say it was a purely leather shield
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because yeah that's silly yeah I would presume
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that at some point along the way, someone realized,
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hey, every year the dragons seem to, like, schlep
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off this multitude of very, very strong, large
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pieces of material. Yeah, I don't think that
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was the shield, though. I don't care. Someone
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along the way has to have thought of, like, why
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don't we just turn this into a shield? Yes, for
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sure. I don't think it would be that, though,
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because I feel like that would be stronger than
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stone, so there would be no reason to turn it
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into stone. At least for that one. It's fireproof,
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yeah. Yeah. Also, when we're talking about her
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power being related to stone, I just, in my head,
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started singing, I am a rock, I am an island.
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And a rock feels no pain, and an island never
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cries. Can we keep that in Cassie? I love it.
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I love it. So, yeah, I mean, yes, Occam's Razor,
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more than likely, she's able to either turn things
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into stone or manipulate stone. We know that
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they were on a stone sort of walkway. I still
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have... Questions, because we only see one instance
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of it, we don't know for sure. But yes, going
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with the turning things into stone or even being
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able to manipulate stone, that is, to me, a need
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to protect, a need to be strong, a need to block
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out. Um, so there are a lot of ways that that
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could go, especially considering her, her background.
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Um, it also reads to me as she needs to put up
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a stone wall. Put up walls. Yes. Put up walls
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against others, um, to protect herself and to
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protect the cause. I could agree with that. Yeah.
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So. Some really great points that were brought
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up. Again, one more time. That is at Catherine
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Wilde Ryder on Blue Sky. I believe she's on Instagram,
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too. I think that she gave us a follow over there.
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So let me very quickly check that. While you're
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doing that, I'll just say I think Imogen is my
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favorite character. And I don't know how much
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of this is just because of the pink hair and
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me relating to having pink hair. Yeah. I do really,
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I do really enjoy Imogen. She's a spitfire for
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sure. Yes. At Catherine .wild .writer on Instagram
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as well. So shout out. Thank you so much for
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your message and your kind words and for bringing
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up those points for us to discuss on the pod.
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Yes. Thank you. Before we pivot really quick,
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I think I had something for Battle Brief as well.
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So I, last week, in the midst of some of our
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recording sessions that occurred, I got the pleasure
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and privilege to hear TJ Klune, another respected
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author, speak at the local library near me and
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just wanted to give a quick shout out not only
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to him because it was a wonderful time to hear
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his story and what drove him to write the stories
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that he has written and the inspiration behind
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so many of them. many different things um but
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also just to give this shout out of if individuals
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find that he is nearby them and giving a talk
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i highly recommend going out of your way to try
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to make it to one of these talks he has a very
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wonderful story he is a very vibrant narrator
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as you are probably well aware if you are aware
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of who he is and so just wanted to give a quick
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shout out that we got i got to go to a very wonderful
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talk back with him and It was a standing room
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only occasion. We had an entire floor of my library
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packed. And I will give you guys a quick update
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here. I think I told you guys like 200, 250 people.
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No, I got to proctor some 450 person exams this
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week. And I can probably very safely say that
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we were pushing 350 or more. Wow. Wow. Wow. It
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was, it was quite a wonderful time, but he's
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a, an Oregon native and not that he's living
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in Oregon anymore. He mentioned that he now lives
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somewhere in Washington. Um, and I won't, I won't
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shout out the name too hard. Cause obviously
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we don't want to like, Oh, go hunt down TJ. No,
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definitely do not. And so let the man be in peace,
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um, in his very wonderful life, I'm assuming,
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but yes, very wonderful talk. Highly recommend.
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I love TJ Klune. I think he's probably my favorite
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author. I was going to say top five, but I think
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he is just my favorite author. I adore him. I
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feel like the odd one out here. We keep talking
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about all these bonus episodes we need to do,
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but like one of these days I feel like we just
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need to do a bonus episode where the three of
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us get completely sloshed and then just like
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talk about all of our favorite authors so that
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everyone has an understanding. Because like we're
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all obviously Rebecca Yaros fans, but like Abby
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and I share TJ Klune and... Katie Edwards. Katie
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Edwards, thank you. That's the name that I was
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trying to look for there. And Alexandria Rowland,
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is that? her name for yes yes and so like we
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obviously we have some shared book history between
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the two all of us cassie and i also share um
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cory doctorow and a number of other authors that
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actually cassie has kind of introduced me more
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to than anything or martha wells obviously you've
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read the murderbot diaries which is i can't believe
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i forgot about it and i still haven't set up
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i've downloaded the library catalog app but then
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it wanted me to log in so then I have to go find
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my actual physical library card to do that so
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I haven't done that yet and I might just cave
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in and listen to the audiobooks do it because
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I'm sure that they're wonderful but also I will
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like shout out that Martha Wells's Murderbot
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Diaries just got turned into a Apple TV series
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I think it I can't believe I forgot to go watch
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it when did it come out already? I think the
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first episode came out this weekend. I'm not
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kidding. John, go watch. I'm going to double
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check myself here. Cause if it's out, then I'm
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about to, Oh shit. It's about to get interesting.
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I want to add that. I recently discovered a new
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modern, like a new sci -fi author when we were
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in Mexico and I found the secret corner with
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the bookshelf that people can put, leave books
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behind on or take books from, which half of them
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were like in German for some reason. But one
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of the English ones is this author, Adrian Tchaikovsky,
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who I had never heard of. And I didn't realize
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it was, yeah, I didn't realize. how modern of
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an author this was. So I grabbed it and started
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reading it, and I was like, wait, there's a non
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-binary character in here? When did this come
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out? It was like the 2020s. Anyhow, loved that.
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Drew and I were literally reading that together
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and turning the pages together to read that,
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and I've now been trying to find any book I can
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on Libby. There's only one audiobook available,
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and it's Service Model, and it's described as
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Murderbot meets Red Shirts. or a fully cute a
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delightfully humorous tale of robotic murder
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what's it called a service model i need more
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books to listen to cassie i believe i have a
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couple adrian tchaikovsky books i'm not positive
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because i have not gotten to my sci -fi cataloging
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yet but um i believe i do so if i do um I can
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send those your way to borrow if you'd like.
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Because at this point, the only one I have read
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is Alien Clay, which I loved. Okay. I have a
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new book to look forward to. And it's my year
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of sci -fi, so. This is my year of fantasy and
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fantasy series, and I'm just romantic -y, and
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I'm just loving it. yeah see if i don't pay if
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i don't try then every year is like a year of
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fantasy well i i didn't allow myself to fully
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get into it last year i did a lot of um i did
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a broader reading last year and so this year
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i'm like you know what that's what i want to
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read right now i just read too many things that
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are like witchy or like talking animals or like
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things that technically count as fantasy, even
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though I don't think about them that way. And
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then I go look at my, my lists of genres and
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fantasy is always like twice as big as everything
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else. Yep. Yep. Speaking of other shout outs
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to make here, I guess the other thing that I
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want to comment on, and this does lead us back
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into the chapter here. We are finally at the
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chapter where we're going to face the gauntlet,
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right? I have come to this realization that.
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Rebecca Yaros must have looked at the PhD tract
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and what they do to PhD students and she was
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like, I'm going to base half of my Dragon's College
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off of the torture that we put PhD students through.
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I swear to God. I am probably, so one, two. Yeah,
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I am three weeks away from finals, and then I
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start what I consider to be the true gauntlet,
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which is the four weeks of taking exams that
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are going to determine my future. The comps,
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yep. But I had this wonderful... We just got
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one of my... You remember how I was like, I'm
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absolutely sure that I failed that macro exam
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and I was so destitute about it. Got it back.
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And I got a 46 on each of the questions, which
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he was like, according to my rubric, this is
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considered a non -marginal true pass on a comp
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question. And I was like, okay, so maybe I can
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get through these comps because I just have to
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get like a three, I think. Three out of five.
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And they give us six questions. I don't have
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to answer one. I get to drop one. okay okay but
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still i'm like i'm on the gauntlet um last tidbit
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i did look it up it's every friday first episode
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dropped yesterday which is hilarious because
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this is chapter 11 which means this episode won't
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air for six more weeks for our audience so this
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is murder bot you're talking about right uh murder
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bot yes okay just making sure because we jumped
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around By the time that we're probably airing
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this episode, I apologize. Most of the season
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will probably be out. But if either way, definitely
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recommend supporting the authors that we love
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and the projects that they're making. And this
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was actually a pretty fast book to TV adaptation.
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It did not take very long for them to get this
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one done. So that's also encouraging because
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like if they can get it right, then maybe we
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have this resurgence of new media where everyone's
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going to realize we just diverted the real creative
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stories to writing because TV got to Hollywood,
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for lack of a better phrase. Formulaic. Yeah.
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Yeah. All right. Are we good now? Yes, now we
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can proceed. Lovely. John, please take it away
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to the scribe quadrant. We have what I believe
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is the first piece of evidence that scripture
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on the continent that we are on, the Orishan
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continent. Not Orishan continent. What's the
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Amaralis continent? No, the Amarali. For the
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entire continent. Oh, right. Yes. The Amarali
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scripture, or at least maybe Navarian scripture,
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was edited by the great purge that took place
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400 years ago. And so we have Major Rory's guide
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to appeasing the gods, second edition. Some bitch
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went back and edited the Bible, which we know
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happens all the time. Happens, yes, in the real
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world. Y 'all. Y 'all, I just found out that
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we can cut this if we need to. I just found out
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that the piece of the Bible that's like man shall
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not lay with man, that translation didn't exist
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until 1946. The original Hebrew is man shall
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not lay with boys. Yes, I did know that. I didn't
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realize it was the 40s. 1946 is when that translation
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was created and published widespread in the United
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States. I wonder what they were trying to do
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in that time. It's a mystery. I don't know. All
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of our historical records were burned, so I didn't
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learn any history in school. It is a grave offense
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against Malik to keep the belongings of a dead
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loved one. They belong in the beyond with the
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god of death and the departed. In the absence
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of a proper temple, any fire will do. He who
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does not burn for Malik will be burned by Malik.
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That is such a great line. So here's a problem
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that I have with this as an economist. Okay.
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Grandpoppy has his favorite rocking chair. grand
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poppy dies does that mean that i have to burn
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the rocking chair even though that is a piece
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of capital that we could be accumulating over
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time to keep our society growing towards a higher
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level of prosperity as economic growth dictates
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must occur depreciation cannot be this fast or
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you will not be able to sustain any level of
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growth true i do have a a question so i wonder
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if this is like the distinction between so like
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if you're talking communism for example and people
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are like what so we're all gonna have to share
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toothbrushes it's like no because you're still
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gonna have like personal items that like are
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just yours but like everything else can be shared
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so i wonder if this is like a situation where
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like okay yeah that was like grand poppy's favorite
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chair or whatever but it wasn't like his toothbrush
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it wasn't like something only he could use this
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has already got some blurry lines so maybe they
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wouldn't but but yeah still that's still so many
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so many resources and materials that you're burning
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like that you could be reusing or turning into
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new things i say this as someone who's been sewing
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today and thinking about quilts and how you you
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take old Old fabric, old clothes, and you turn
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them into a new thing. That's just how that stuff
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works. Don't get upset about destroying the original
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shirt or whatever. Materials get reused and repurposed,
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but if you're burning them all the time, what
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are our extraction methods here? What are we
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producing to replace? And so, like, I have this
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really weird 1984 -level Department of Document
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Corrections. How did no one read Major Worley's
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Guide to Appeasing the Gods and realize that
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what must be the page after this has a list of
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things considered personal items that must be
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burned to truly appease the gods? That's going
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to be like all letters, all journals, all written
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correspondence, any form of information, all
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books, all pictures. And so it's like, how did
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no one look at that and go, yeah, that looks
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like a very effective scrub list for a CIA operator.
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yes okay i have some thoughts well yeah please
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i just have a question which is okay what's your
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question i want to know how old this tradition
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is like did this did they have any version of
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this tradition before whatever 400 ish years
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ago when they like revised everything are they
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are they building off an existing tradition or
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did the first people who read this be like What?
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We've never done that before. Malik doesn't care.
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I have thoughts. Okay. I do too. So here is where
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my big question of are the gods real or are they
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a story told? I mean, I don't want to attack
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anybody's beliefs in the real world, but I personally
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am an atheist. I don't believe that there is
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a god personally. I believe that. Agreed. Religion
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serves as a, well, I'm getting there. I'm getting
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ahead of myself. So, so anytime in a fantasy
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series, there's always the question for me, because
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of course in fantasy, you know, anything goes.
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So there's the question of, are the gods real
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or does it serve a similar, does their religion
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serve in a similar way in our real world? So
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as we have not physically. Spoken to or seen
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the gods. I still believe that this is ambiguous.
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I know that I think we've discussed on the pod.
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No, I think you brought this up like last time
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or the time before. I know we've discussed it.
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Dune's knife and how it had some sort of power
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to bring Theophany down. I think that because
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there is magic, there is a way to, you know,
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explain it without there being an actual god
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or goddess. Yeah, I think, yeah. I completely
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agree with you that, like, Rebecca Yaros has
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definitely injected modern theological approaches
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into her theological system. But I also am, like,
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kind of a firm believer of, if I can believe
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that there are dragons and griffins in this book,
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it's not... Okay, have you guys watched Star
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Trek Discovery? No. Yeah, so in Star Trek Discovery,
00:27:57.019 --> 00:27:59.400
they propose this idea, and it's actually based
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off of an older theory that was put forward,
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which basically says, given advanced enough technology,
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it would be impossible for a society that has
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no experience with it to discern that technology
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:25.029
from magic. And so, like, I... I can also agree
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that there might be a magical being with godlike
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level powers as far as mortal perception goes.
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Getting all Cosmere up in this. Yeah, I'm getting
00:28:36.390 --> 00:28:38.549
all Cosmere up in this bitch because Brandon
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Sanderson has made a very fantastic point. Just
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because they are God -powered does not mean that
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they are God. And so, like, I also ascribe to,
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we're going to find out the origin. I'm so dedicated
00:28:52.670 --> 00:28:55.910
into who are the origins of the gods because
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it's going to, you know it's going to be part
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of the solution. Okay. We were only on the first
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sentence of my, like, multiplayer. I'm sorry.
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What were you going to say, Cassie? I really
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like mythology in general. Regardless to me of
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whether there are or are not literal gods in
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this universe, what's interesting to me is how
00:29:20.089 --> 00:29:23.589
the characters in the society use the mythology
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to justify things or frame their beliefs and
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their behaviors. Yes. And I'm getting to that
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too. Really quickly before I jump back into it,
00:29:36.650 --> 00:29:40.170
though, I do believe that Rebecca Yaros believes
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in God. And I don't know, like, what denomination.
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So that could affect your reading one way or
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the other as to if you believe that these gods
00:29:52.769 --> 00:29:56.099
are real or not. Second. there is a theory out
00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:58.900
there that I do really like that the gods are
00:29:58.900 --> 00:30:01.519
actually dragons. I think that is an excellent
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:03.539
theory, but that's not what I'm getting into
00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:06.839
now. Okay. So basically I just want to deconstruct
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this passage and what it can mean if the gods
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are real versus what it can mean if they're not
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real. And then there's obviously that more ambiguous
00:30:14.619 --> 00:30:16.759
middle ground where, okay, maybe the gods are
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:18.480
real, but then obviously human interpretation
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has affected things. And there's deism. And one
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last thing to answer, because this is like a
00:30:24.829 --> 00:30:26.509
really quick answer to a question you posed at
00:30:26.509 --> 00:30:28.829
the very beginning of this tangent. If there
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was an origin to the burning, I will comment
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that as memory serves, griffins prefer to be
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burned. We find that out in Onyx Storm. And I
00:30:38.589 --> 00:30:41.549
think dragons have a very similar preference
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because they burned Day's body following the
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Battle of Athbine. And so there could be a very
00:30:55.660 --> 00:30:58.700
simple argument that like the magical creatures
00:30:58.700 --> 00:31:00.519
that are considered higher in the food chain
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.140
than us clearly prefer to have their bodies burned.
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If it's good enough for them, it's good enough
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for me. I mean, and we've got real world cultures
00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:14.259
that burn dead bodies. Absolutely. Yes. Okay.
00:31:14.750 --> 00:31:17.150
So if the gods are real, and we look at this
00:31:17.150 --> 00:31:21.410
in a literal perspective, if Malak is real, he
00:31:21.410 --> 00:31:24.269
demands burnt belongings of the dead to go to
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his domain. Anything relating to death belongs
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to him. So very literal interpretation there.
00:31:31.289 --> 00:31:33.690
So if the gods are not real, and I'm going to
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skip over the ambiguity of the middle ground
00:31:35.910 --> 00:31:39.059
here. Why did this story or this custom come
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to exist? So when we look at religions and religious
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:44.099
customs in the real world, they tend to exist
00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:46.079
to either, and this is very broad. I'm not going
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.359
to get into minutia. I have three overarching
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:51.599
reasons that these stories and customs come to
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.480
exist that I personally believe are the biggest
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:59.019
ones. A, to maintain power and control over society,
00:31:59.220 --> 00:32:02.640
to maintain hierarchies. B, to make sense of
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.509
the world or our greater purpose in it. see to
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protect their members and my biggest example
00:32:09.329 --> 00:32:13.410
of this is a lot of religions bar the eating
00:32:13.410 --> 00:32:16.970
of any pork and that's because it is incredibly
00:32:17.660 --> 00:32:20.460
difficult to prepare when you look at you know
00:32:20.460 --> 00:32:22.759
foundation of religions it's difficult to prepare
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.440
correctly so you do not get sick and die and
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.279
in a way to protect members of a religion you
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:31.460
just say oh we are not allowed to eat that meat
00:32:31.460 --> 00:32:34.140
so we can you know protect ourselves yeah so
00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:37.039
we don't die so if we're looking at maintaining
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.420
power and control this goes back into the discussion
00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:41.539
that we've talked about before and then we talked
00:32:41.539 --> 00:32:44.559
about earlier in this discussion about unregulated
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:48.430
texts and I think that is the greatest probability
00:32:48.430 --> 00:32:51.049
especially because we do know that this is a
00:32:51.049 --> 00:32:54.529
second edition and then of course the reason
00:32:54.529 --> 00:32:57.589
of having a god of death in general would be
00:32:57.589 --> 00:32:59.809
falling under b making sense of the world slash
00:32:59.809 --> 00:33:03.349
purpose so a god of death and some kind of afterlife
00:33:03.349 --> 00:33:05.450
is common in religions to make sense of death
00:33:05.450 --> 00:33:08.930
and burning is a sense of closure so that could
00:33:08.930 --> 00:33:14.130
also be yes we burn belongings to um signify
00:33:14.130 --> 00:33:19.130
the death of the person one thing is I had somehow
00:33:19.130 --> 00:33:22.829
had in my head that they burned all bodies too
00:33:22.829 --> 00:33:24.710
but that is not the case they do not burn all
00:33:24.710 --> 00:33:27.450
bodies plenty of bodies get buried so that's
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not necessary to burn the body it is necessary
00:33:30.750 --> 00:33:34.869
to burn their belongings so I do think that the
00:33:34.869 --> 00:33:39.190
discussion of unregulated text is the most plausible
00:33:39.190 --> 00:33:42.029
and then of course there is that question of
00:33:42.029 --> 00:33:45.559
okay was this also something before the second
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.259
edition, this big purge? And if so, I believe
00:33:48.259 --> 00:33:51.980
it would be more of that symbolic closure. There
00:33:51.980 --> 00:33:55.279
could also be a protection element if we're talking
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.519
about like someone dying from disease. Yes. And
00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.660
you burn their belongings so they don't pass
00:33:59.660 --> 00:34:01.619
on pathogens to the rest of the community. Yes,
00:34:01.619 --> 00:34:05.000
absolutely. So, however, going back to the idea,
00:34:05.059 --> 00:34:09.219
if gods are real, why would a Malak god, death
00:34:09.219 --> 00:34:13.210
god, Require the burning of belongings. And I
00:34:13.210 --> 00:34:17.650
stumbled across this theory. And granted, this
00:34:17.650 --> 00:34:20.690
is a theory that was written before Onyx Storm
00:34:20.690 --> 00:34:26.650
came out. This is written by Corey on EmpyreanWriters
00:34:26.650 --> 00:34:33.269
.com. So this theory discusses items, personal
00:34:33.269 --> 00:34:37.900
belongings, being a tie. to the soul of the person
00:34:37.900 --> 00:34:40.559
who died and if you do not burn the belongings
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:44.800
malik cannot fully keep the person who died is
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.000
that like their soul is still kind of tied to
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.840
this plane kind of a thing like their soul can't
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:53.099
move on kind of so it they go into a couple different
00:34:53.099 --> 00:34:57.960
pathways here so one of the things is liam's
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:02.019
letters were not burnt and he came back to her
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:04.860
And we'll get to this. We've had discussions
00:35:04.860 --> 00:35:08.619
off air about if this is real, if this is a hallucination.
00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:12.539
And I'm sure that episode will be very long when
00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:16.860
we get to it. But that is, you know, that could
00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:20.599
be. liam's soul cannot be contained in the afterlife
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.039
by malik because he does have some of his belongings
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:26.760
tying him to the world some of the other examples
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.139
that they give are brennan's journal and fourth
00:35:29.139 --> 00:35:31.719
wing obviously we find out brennan is alive and
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:33.840
then papa soren gill's that's why he didn't die
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.420
yeah well another thing that they they talk about
00:35:37.420 --> 00:35:40.940
is uh runes so going off of the runes especially
00:35:40.940 --> 00:35:44.400
when you're looking at uh brennan's rune shaped
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:48.940
scar on his hand that potentially runes could
00:35:48.940 --> 00:35:52.360
bring someone back from the dead if they have
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:59.420
items still tying them to the earth so okay i
00:35:59.420 --> 00:36:02.539
thought that this was a very very interesting
00:36:02.539 --> 00:36:06.059
potential i don't know if i fully buy into it
00:36:06.059 --> 00:36:10.510
but I do think it's compelling. I think that
00:36:10.510 --> 00:36:13.630
if you are looking at the gods being real and
00:36:13.630 --> 00:36:15.429
we're not looking at any human interference,
00:36:15.469 --> 00:36:19.250
if this has been something that has been done,
00:36:19.409 --> 00:36:23.409
why would it have been done? Why would Malik
00:36:23.409 --> 00:36:25.789
want that to be done? So I just think that that
00:36:25.789 --> 00:36:31.489
is a compelling thought there. Absolutely. I
00:36:31.489 --> 00:36:34.429
also had this fun little thought earlier this
00:36:34.429 --> 00:36:38.010
week that, like, When Violet challenges, I know,
00:36:38.010 --> 00:36:39.789
and we're not having this full deep conversation.
00:36:39.869 --> 00:36:42.610
When Violet challenges what may or may not be
00:36:42.610 --> 00:36:46.489
a hallucination of Liam, he makes a comment that,
00:36:46.530 --> 00:36:48.929
what makes you think Malak doesn't want me to
00:36:48.929 --> 00:36:51.670
be here? And so part of me wonders if we're going
00:36:51.670 --> 00:36:53.630
to find out that the gods have been playing a
00:36:53.630 --> 00:36:56.570
long game for a while now to end this fucking
00:36:56.570 --> 00:37:00.170
issue once and for all. Yeah, and I can totally
00:37:00.170 --> 00:37:02.210
see that too. And Malak is starting to send out
00:37:02.210 --> 00:37:07.030
certain souls like, you must make sure. I also
00:37:07.030 --> 00:37:09.650
saw a very fun theory, and this could sort of
00:37:09.650 --> 00:37:13.789
fit with this. We don't know for sure that Violet
00:37:13.789 --> 00:37:19.150
is the only person seeing Liam. That is true.
00:37:19.250 --> 00:37:22.050
And I'll talk about it later on in the particular,
00:37:22.150 --> 00:37:24.690
like there's a particular phrase in one particular
00:37:24.690 --> 00:37:26.570
chapter, and I want to say it's from Onyx Storm,
00:37:26.769 --> 00:37:31.019
where... Basically, Riddick completely ignores
00:37:31.019 --> 00:37:35.960
Violet and acts like he's talking to plain air
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.179
when he says, I will protect her. Much like Liam
00:37:39.179 --> 00:37:41.900
demanded Riddick protect her when he had to go
00:37:41.900 --> 00:37:44.219
fetch Zayden, which we'll get to at another point.
00:37:45.139 --> 00:37:48.780
Oh, that's excellent. What are the chances that
00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:52.099
maybe Liam has been popping in and out of people's
00:37:52.099 --> 00:37:55.099
lives to bolster them or direct them as necessary?
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.559
Kind of going off a little bit of the theory
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:03.039
that I was reading off of my phone, they also
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:09.579
posit that Liam was from Tyrandor, and he knew
00:38:09.579 --> 00:38:12.659
runes. He did a lot of carving, and he did a
00:38:12.659 --> 00:38:14.519
lot of carving of other people's dragons, which
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:17.880
he then gave to them. So is anyone who is in
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:20.860
possession of one of these dragons able to communicate
00:38:20.860 --> 00:38:24.750
with him? That would also be adorable is if you
00:38:24.750 --> 00:38:27.329
gave Riddick a little dragon and gave Rihanna
00:38:27.329 --> 00:38:29.050
a little dragon. Well, he did, like, everyone's.
00:38:29.050 --> 00:38:31.110
Yeah, I don't remember. Like, we'll get to it
00:38:31.110 --> 00:38:33.170
when we get to it later in this book. But I do
00:38:33.170 --> 00:38:35.050
remember he was, like, going through almost everyone's
00:38:35.050 --> 00:38:37.530
dragons. And it was Andarna that he was working
00:38:37.530 --> 00:38:39.829
on, like, towards the end. And he hadn't done
00:38:39.829 --> 00:38:42.650
Andarna because he hadn't seen her as often.
00:38:43.150 --> 00:38:47.110
Uh -oh, Jon is panicking. No, no. Major revelation
00:38:47.110 --> 00:38:50.130
moment on that theory. Remember who made the
00:38:50.130 --> 00:38:54.849
rune stones for the marked ones? Colonel Mayori.
00:38:55.389 --> 00:38:59.269
Oh my god! The last person capable of making
00:38:59.269 --> 00:39:01.769
a rune stone that incorporated the children's
00:39:01.769 --> 00:39:05.849
bloodline and protected them was Liam and Sloane's
00:39:05.849 --> 00:39:12.230
mom. Oh my god. She was a super runes expert.
00:39:12.349 --> 00:39:14.610
What are the chances she passed it on? Holy shit.
00:39:14.630 --> 00:39:17.590
Okay, I have two really quick thoughts that...
00:39:17.820 --> 00:39:21.219
either of them are heartbreaking to me so liam
00:39:21.219 --> 00:39:24.699
dies if he did pass on runes that either means
00:39:24.699 --> 00:39:26.780
that he does not get to come back and see his
00:39:26.780 --> 00:39:28.599
sister if this is true which is heartbreaking
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:32.960
if he's seeing other people or two he put runes
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.059
into his letters to her and that's why he was
00:39:35.059 --> 00:39:36.960
so insistent that they got passed on so he could
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.239
still communicate with her and either one of
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:41.659
those is amazing you need to take that second
00:39:41.659 --> 00:39:45.400
thought you need to expand upon it one k level
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:49.199
one or plus one K -level reasoning here. K -level
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.400
reasoning. K -level reasoning. Expand on it here.
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.739
Think the book of Brennan. What if the letters
00:39:54.739 --> 00:39:58.099
didn't have the important piece? What if he made
00:39:58.099 --> 00:40:00.380
a carving for his sister and hid it somewhere
00:40:00.380 --> 00:40:04.400
on the Basquiat campus? And the last letter or
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:06.860
one of the last letters is going to say, when
00:40:06.860 --> 00:40:10.679
you get here, if I am not here for you, go to
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:12.860
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
00:40:12.860 --> 00:40:16.030
blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. And you will find
00:40:16.030 --> 00:40:19.269
what I hid for you. Doesn't he carve a bear at
00:40:19.269 --> 00:40:21.449
some point? I'm pretty sure he carves a bear.
00:40:21.590 --> 00:40:22.849
It's one of the first carvings he makes when
00:40:22.849 --> 00:40:26.269
he's around Violet. And that was a comment because,
00:40:26.329 --> 00:40:28.389
like, why is he carving a bear? People think
00:40:28.389 --> 00:40:32.750
that the house crest for Mari is a bear. Well,
00:40:32.969 --> 00:40:34.670
then that would be perfect because it would be
00:40:34.670 --> 00:40:39.190
left for Sloane. Huh? This is like... We're going
00:40:39.190 --> 00:40:41.829
like so deep into like, we're like assuming this
00:40:41.829 --> 00:40:43.610
is true, then assuming this is true, then assuming
00:40:43.610 --> 00:40:46.300
this is true. We're getting to this. The hallmarks
00:40:46.300 --> 00:40:50.400
of fanon. But, I feel like this has legs. Yet,
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.360
you know what's going to happen is if Rebecca
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.619
Yaros ever gets her hands on these recordings,
00:40:54.820 --> 00:40:56.760
like, either she's going to be laughing her ass
00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:59.320
off because she's like, wow, they really, this
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.900
is going to be like, oh my, what was the one
00:41:01.900 --> 00:41:04.880
where everyone was like, there was some theory
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.519
that everyone had that she had to be like, no,
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.860
this is so not true. Why do people think that
00:41:10.860 --> 00:41:14.000
this is, oh, that Violet was adopted. yes yeah
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:18.000
this oh it's either gonna be yeah yeah there
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:19.500
was a theory for a little bit there that violet
00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:22.559
was adopted and and she was like so taken aback
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:28.780
she was like what people think that yes no oh
00:41:28.780 --> 00:41:33.900
gosh um i feel like that has legs i feel like
00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:37.179
this is a solid theory um i feel like it is there's
00:41:37.179 --> 00:41:39.380
textual evidence for it i'm putting up my finger
00:41:39.380 --> 00:41:42.880
because i i do think that there's evidence for
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:46.039
it so i oh my gosh this will be a really cool
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:48.500
uh mark the day this is saturday may 17th is
00:41:48.500 --> 00:41:50.800
when we're recording this um if this comes to
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:56.659
fruition you heard it here first in our crackpot
00:41:56.659 --> 00:42:01.889
minds oh goodness gracious okay moving on Cassie,
00:42:01.889 --> 00:42:09.730
our linguist on the pod, do we have any new names
00:42:09.730 --> 00:42:15.570
in this chapter to discuss? I think this might
00:42:15.570 --> 00:42:18.409
be the first chapter that we get. I think it's,
00:42:18.409 --> 00:42:23.510
is it the town, the city, region of Drathis?
00:42:24.110 --> 00:42:27.469
Drathis? Drathis? That's how I found it. Yeah,
00:42:27.469 --> 00:42:32.199
over in Peromiel. And... This is not technically
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:34.940
a Scottish word. I did look it up just to make
00:42:34.940 --> 00:42:37.940
sure. But because of the pronunciation stuff
00:42:37.940 --> 00:42:41.000
we discussed last week. So this word is spelled
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:45.400
D -R -A -I -T -H -U -S. And because of the discussion
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:49.780
we had about the TH sound, I have been pronouncing
00:42:49.780 --> 00:42:56.170
this as Drahus. Okay. Again, it's not actually
00:42:56.170 --> 00:43:00.489
Gaelic, so I don't have any idea where she pulled
00:43:00.489 --> 00:43:03.369
this word from. But if you would like to follow
00:43:03.369 --> 00:43:05.710
along with me and pronounce everything possible
00:43:05.710 --> 00:43:10.730
in a Scottish Gaelic way, I will be saying draus.
00:43:11.769 --> 00:43:14.369
I dig it. I will not be saying it that way, but
00:43:14.369 --> 00:43:16.670
I will enjoy hearing you say it that way every
00:43:16.670 --> 00:43:21.050
time. Shaking his head. Some of these pronunciations
00:43:21.050 --> 00:43:23.329
send a shiver down my spine. It's just, ugh.
00:43:24.090 --> 00:43:29.769
It is sonically pleasing to me. You know, my
00:43:29.769 --> 00:43:34.429
million generations back Scottish ancestors are
00:43:34.429 --> 00:43:38.050
shaking their fists at you. You know I have some
00:43:38.050 --> 00:43:39.650
of those too, and they can shake their fists
00:43:39.650 --> 00:43:45.239
at me too. Alright, well, we are nearly an hour
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:48.780
into recording, and so I think we are ripe to
00:43:48.780 --> 00:43:52.480
get into this chapter. Cassie, if you would like
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:57.139
to take it away. Okay, I only got to review my
00:43:57.139 --> 00:44:02.559
notes briefly, so we might have more jumping
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:04.800
in. I don't have a whole lot of notes for these
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.000
next two chapters, so I have some. Okay, well,
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:12.429
I think I did a pretty good summary, so. We are
00:44:12.429 --> 00:44:16.650
back to our scenes with the gauntlet. Violet
00:44:16.650 --> 00:44:20.929
continues to not die on the gauntlet. Yes. The
00:44:20.929 --> 00:44:23.650
chimney at the end that mimics mounting a dragon
00:44:23.650 --> 00:44:28.230
leg is still her main obstacle. And it is now
00:44:28.230 --> 00:44:31.789
the day that she has to finally face it. So I
00:44:31.789 --> 00:44:33.250
know I said that I didn't have a lot of notes.
00:44:33.989 --> 00:44:37.670
I guess my first one is just super early. I am
00:44:37.670 --> 00:44:42.659
just amazed that... Tynan, if this is to believe
00:44:42.659 --> 00:44:46.199
that the Bowie Balls are his downfall, if he
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:48.800
cannot get past them, he has not made it past
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:53.780
the second ascent in the gauntlet. And yet somehow
00:44:53.780 --> 00:44:56.619
he makes it. And yet somehow he does at the end.
00:44:56.699 --> 00:44:58.900
Like, oh my gosh, that's a good point. So we
00:44:58.900 --> 00:45:01.019
do know that Violet obviously, and I mean we're
00:45:01.019 --> 00:45:03.480
going to see it here very shortly, never practices
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:06.139
the last two. Or at least the very, very last
00:45:06.139 --> 00:45:10.940
one. The Warped Wall. But, yeah, just the fact
00:45:10.940 --> 00:45:15.360
that, like, maybe he skipped it a couple times
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:16.760
with a rope or something. Like, I don't know
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:18.400
if they'd allow him to do that. Like, he grabbed
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:20.719
on the rope. During practice maybe. Yeah, I don't
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:21.920
know. Because then you at least still get to
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:26.400
experience the others. Yeah. I don't know. But
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.739
I'm just like, that's a lot. We're going to see
00:45:29.739 --> 00:45:32.320
in the next couple chapters a lot of smugness
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:34.940
and arrogance for this man -child that can't
00:45:34.940 --> 00:45:39.780
even get past the second fucking. What did we
00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:42.619
call them? What did I call them? The Manosphere
00:45:42.619 --> 00:45:46.119
Incel Bitch Boys or something like that? That
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:49.119
is almost exactly it. Yes, Manosphere Incel Bitch
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.840
Boys. Editing Abby here, we were close, but it
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:58.179
was actually Little Incel Bitch Boys. Okay, sorry.
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:04.650
That's okay. They're kind of discussing their
00:46:04.650 --> 00:46:07.550
strategy for getting through on this fateful
00:46:07.550 --> 00:46:11.570
day. Ree suggests hoisting her up at the end,
00:46:11.610 --> 00:46:14.909
but that wouldn't really be enough. And cadets
00:46:14.909 --> 00:46:17.550
aren't allowed to touch each other anyway. So
00:46:17.550 --> 00:46:20.989
Jack Barlow can't kill anybody. Sorry. Yes, that's
00:46:20.989 --> 00:46:23.909
fair. That's fair. To which I said. Teamwork
00:46:23.909 --> 00:46:26.369
does not make the dream work in Navarre, I guess.
00:46:26.449 --> 00:46:27.730
No, it doesn't. Everyone just does their own
00:46:27.730 --> 00:46:30.090
thing and hopes for the best. Weird way to run
00:46:30.090 --> 00:46:34.230
an RV, but okay. Every dragon for themselves.
00:46:34.550 --> 00:46:36.250
They can start doing teamwork once they get dragons.
00:46:38.929 --> 00:46:42.309
And if they make it past all of this, then presentation
00:46:42.309 --> 00:46:50.809
is tomorrow. So this is... her last chance to
00:46:50.809 --> 00:46:53.309
run to the scribe quadrant before potentially
00:46:53.309 --> 00:46:56.809
dying. It is the logical and safe route out.
00:46:57.250 --> 00:47:01.170
Or is it? Markham keeping quiet about her escaping
00:47:01.170 --> 00:47:04.309
there doesn't mean everyone would. And Mama Sorgil
00:47:04.309 --> 00:47:06.190
would still find out. We talked about this last
00:47:06.190 --> 00:47:11.570
time. But now it's like that day, that next day.
00:47:11.769 --> 00:47:16.769
Yes, it's literally the last chance. But also
00:47:16.769 --> 00:47:19.550
more importantly, it means... giving up on believing
00:47:19.550 --> 00:47:23.550
in herself she says oh sorry go ahead she says
00:47:23.550 --> 00:47:26.150
while i might not survive if i stay i'm not sure
00:47:26.150 --> 00:47:28.389
i can live with myself if i leave and i just
00:47:28.389 --> 00:47:32.250
wrote violet stubborn soaring gale well but then
00:47:32.250 --> 00:47:36.110
like i want like rebecca yaros gives us a really
00:47:36.110 --> 00:47:40.409
wonderful perspective into the shift that occurs
00:47:40.409 --> 00:47:42.469
inside of violet because she kind of points out
00:47:42.469 --> 00:47:46.030
here Dane putting this option of the scribe's
00:47:46.030 --> 00:47:48.710
quadrant on the table for her was actually giving
00:47:48.710 --> 00:47:53.329
Violet the first chance to make the choice. Yes.
00:47:53.750 --> 00:47:57.849
And so, like, if Dane hadn't done that, she would
00:47:57.849 --> 00:47:59.849
have been forced into the writer's quadrant and
00:47:59.849 --> 00:48:03.210
never have mentally been given the chance to
00:48:03.210 --> 00:48:06.010
choose it for herself. But now that Dane has
00:48:06.010 --> 00:48:09.210
done this, that choice is hers to make. And it
00:48:09.210 --> 00:48:12.769
makes all the difference. It's fair. He can just
00:48:12.769 --> 00:48:15.449
stop serving her that choice on the platter every
00:48:15.449 --> 00:48:19.590
time she looks his way, though. Not just serving
00:48:19.590 --> 00:48:24.800
it, forcing it down her throat. Swallow! No comment,
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:26.619
no comment at all. It's the only comment I have
00:48:26.619 --> 00:48:28.599
on the next chapter, too. I was going to say
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:31.099
that this just makes me want to make a foie gras
00:48:31.099 --> 00:48:34.179
comment, and that's not how we need to keep this
00:48:34.179 --> 00:48:36.360
conversation going. That's not what I thought
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:37.519
you were going to say. I thought you were going
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.039
to turn it more sexual. Me neither, but also
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:42.400
unpleasant. Oh, if you want me to go that particular
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:44.840
direction, yes, I've had many things shoved down
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:49.219
my throat, some quite large. Want is a strong
00:48:49.219 --> 00:49:00.739
word there. Okay. Okay, yeah. So that previous
00:49:00.739 --> 00:49:04.780
page was all of her last chances to practice.
00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:07.340
So we are now on presentation day, which is when
00:49:07.340 --> 00:49:10.019
the final gauntlet actually occurs. The final
00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:17.679
gauntlet. There's a former, not a co -worker,
00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:20.639
there's a former employee from my job who apparently
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:25.940
will just randomly send that to my boss. They
00:49:25.940 --> 00:49:28.460
still have phone numbers in contact. They don't
00:49:28.460 --> 00:49:31.380
ever talk, but they'll just randomly send recordings
00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:35.860
of the final countdown to my boss because my
00:49:35.860 --> 00:49:38.659
boss hates it. So it's like my boss's version
00:49:38.659 --> 00:49:49.920
of getting Rickrolled. Okay. We have fun. So
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.820
we're on presentation day now, and they're reading
00:49:52.820 --> 00:49:56.170
the names of the dead. The formation shrinks
00:49:56.170 --> 00:49:59.449
more and more as more riders make the death roll
00:49:59.449 --> 00:50:02.590
each day. Right. So what is our number at this
00:50:02.590 --> 00:50:06.050
particular stage? 170 something? 180. We will
00:50:06.050 --> 00:50:09.010
get to that. 171. Yeah, that's next page. Yep.
00:50:09.210 --> 00:50:11.329
Yep. We're not on that page yet, John. Sorry.
00:50:11.469 --> 00:50:16.429
Slow it down. Yeah, it's 171 -ish. I just had
00:50:16.429 --> 00:50:19.469
this thought the other day about Violet trying
00:50:19.469 --> 00:50:22.070
to learn names. And it reminded me of one of
00:50:22.070 --> 00:50:25.550
our econ professors who just somehow would learn
00:50:25.550 --> 00:50:28.289
every student's name despite having several giant
00:50:28.289 --> 00:50:30.969
lecture classes. He was in the military intelligence
00:50:30.969 --> 00:50:34.110
services. You understand that, right? Yeah, that'll
00:50:34.110 --> 00:50:38.809
do it. Yes, I did. Well, yes, I did slightly
00:50:38.809 --> 00:50:43.050
forget that particular detail. But as soon as
00:50:43.050 --> 00:50:46.030
he said that, I was like, oh, yeah. He just was
00:50:46.030 --> 00:50:50.159
so good at learning names. all by like all by
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:52.300
himself of all of these students that he's like
00:50:52.300 --> 00:50:54.559
never half of which he's never gonna see again
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:57.900
but it also reminded me of when I go to work
00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:01.719
out and the studio has you know like a couple
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:04.599
different people who man the desk in addition
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:09.739
to all the coaches and they are also like impeccable
00:51:09.739 --> 00:51:12.639
at learning our names just from watching us walk
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.809
in and I don't know seeing which like which station
00:51:16.809 --> 00:51:19.230
we go to or something because i'm not talking
00:51:19.230 --> 00:51:22.250
to these people but they know who i am when i
00:51:22.250 --> 00:51:24.889
ask them to update my profile or when i ask them
00:51:24.889 --> 00:51:27.010
to move me to a different station or something
00:51:27.010 --> 00:51:29.469
like i don't ever have to remind them who i am
00:51:29.469 --> 00:51:33.349
they just know and it's a little unnerving but
00:51:33.349 --> 00:51:36.849
also nice i don't know how i feel about that
00:51:36.849 --> 00:51:42.070
bougie i'm so bad at names i am not any better
00:51:42.070 --> 00:51:47.199
i'm terrible so violet is Violet is still in
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.460
her stage of caring about people's names. Once
00:51:49.460 --> 00:51:51.860
we get to the next book, then we all know that
00:51:51.860 --> 00:51:54.699
she's not even going to try anymore. Has a change
00:51:54.699 --> 00:51:58.119
of heart. Can you blame her? She's got a lot
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.260
on her shoulders. Oh, I do not blame her. That
00:52:00.260 --> 00:52:01.739
girl is going through some terrible... No, not
00:52:01.739 --> 00:52:07.719
at all. I just think that her intention to attempt
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:09.860
to remember everyone's names in this book...
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:12.760
It's kind of like amusing and reminded me of
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:14.820
those real life situations where people are successful
00:52:14.820 --> 00:52:19.940
at it. Yes. But no, Cassie, I know exactly what
00:52:19.940 --> 00:52:21.739
you're talking about. Have I ever told the story
00:52:21.739 --> 00:52:25.400
of how I actually got to know in person for the
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:29.139
first time? Are we name dropping? Sorry. How
00:52:29.139 --> 00:52:31.780
I got to know that professor for the first time.
00:52:31.860 --> 00:52:37.889
Yeah. I was taking the intro classes and was
00:52:37.889 --> 00:52:40.730
notorious for not showing up for lecture ever.
00:52:41.090 --> 00:52:44.489
But then I'd show up on exam day having read
00:52:44.489 --> 00:52:47.480
all the lecture slides that morning. And would
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:50.159
get a perfect score on the multiple choice exam.
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.739
And I was always the first person done in like
00:52:52.739 --> 00:52:56.500
10 to 15 minutes. And so he taught both of my
00:52:56.500 --> 00:52:59.699
intro courses. The very first exam, I turned
00:52:59.699 --> 00:53:01.639
it in with 10 minutes to spare, handed it over.
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:03.239
And as I was walking out of the room, I literally
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:05.480
watched him walk over to the exam and like look
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:10.280
at my name on it. I show up for the second exam
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:12.780
and I'm sitting there in the room and he shows
00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:14.980
up early and walks up to me and goes, hey, you're
00:53:14.980 --> 00:53:17.380
Jonathan, right? I'm like, what the hell? Am
00:53:17.380 --> 00:53:19.239
I in trouble? Do you think I'm cheating? And
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:21.019
he's like, no, I'm just good with names. And
00:53:21.019 --> 00:53:24.119
like, that was how he picked me out right away.
00:53:24.179 --> 00:53:25.400
And he's like, I'm going to know your name now.
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:27.579
I'm like, motherfucker, you scare me. Who are
00:53:27.579 --> 00:53:32.019
you? I mean, he's probably automatically picking
00:53:32.019 --> 00:53:34.599
out the top kids, the top students in every class
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:39.119
as he goes. I could see that too. And also just
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:41.599
the curiosity of who's this kid that just made
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:46.579
everyone else look stupid. Yeah, I remember because
00:53:46.579 --> 00:53:50.199
he was the teacher for most of my intro classes
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.360
as well. And I remember going to his office to
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:55.880
pick up a Scantron test once to get my score
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:59.340
back. And before he would give it to me, he's
00:53:59.340 --> 00:54:03.500
like, what's your major? And I was like, English,
00:54:03.900 --> 00:54:08.139
creative writing. That's always a reassuring
00:54:08.139 --> 00:54:11.360
moment. Would you ever consider switching to
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:15.179
econ? And at this point, I was taking the intro
00:54:15.179 --> 00:54:18.699
classes as the prereqs for the business minor,
00:54:18.860 --> 00:54:21.139
which was my compromise with my parents that
00:54:21.139 --> 00:54:24.539
I would do the minor. Oh, I know that all too
00:54:24.539 --> 00:54:26.820
well. But what about your fee? How are you going
00:54:26.820 --> 00:54:30.739
to pay the bills? Yeah. And so that is the moment
00:54:30.739 --> 00:54:33.369
where I. like started considering like i actually
00:54:33.369 --> 00:54:35.389
am sort of enjoying these econ classes maybe
00:54:35.389 --> 00:54:38.610
i will switch to the econ maybe i'll add the
00:54:38.610 --> 00:54:41.030
econ major instead of doing the business minor
00:54:41.030 --> 00:54:43.889
um and i think i like basically said to him like
00:54:43.889 --> 00:54:47.150
well i won't switch but i'll think about adding
00:54:47.150 --> 00:54:51.010
it and that's also the day that i realized that
00:54:51.010 --> 00:54:55.530
i was literally the top of that class yeah he
00:54:55.530 --> 00:54:57.349
was trying you know he was trying to recruit
00:54:57.349 --> 00:55:01.119
me because he's like You're doing better than
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:03.380
any of the other students on this test. I don't
00:55:03.380 --> 00:55:07.920
think I ever got recruited, so jellies. Back
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:14.400
to Violet's career path. Yes. She is citing both
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.659
Brennan's book and the statistics that she's
00:55:16.659 --> 00:55:18.639
read that today is one of the deadliest four
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:21.980
first years. Everything about the writer's quadrant
00:55:21.980 --> 00:55:24.960
is designed to weed out the weak, or I add, the
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:28.780
unlucky. Yes. And today is no exception. There
00:55:28.780 --> 00:55:30.659
are some second year's names that are read off,
00:55:30.659 --> 00:55:34.159
too. Someone's that Imogen and Quinn knew. No
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:36.360
one is safe just because they've bonded and continue
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:45.320
classes. Imogen, wishing Violet well, after my
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.639
own heart with her pink hair and punning, says,
00:55:47.860 --> 00:55:54.679
hopefully you won't fall short. Like I said,
00:55:54.860 --> 00:55:59.340
probably my favorite. Oh, she's such a considerate
00:55:59.340 --> 00:56:05.039
person. She's wishing Violet luck. How kind of
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.599
her. All of this as a reminder of the stakes
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:09.340
as they have to climb the gauntlet successfully
00:56:09.340 --> 00:56:12.000
to make it to the presentation portion of the
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.940
day. Then we get the wishes of luck from Heaton,
00:56:15.099 --> 00:56:18.300
our flame -haired token non -finery kid, who
00:56:18.300 --> 00:56:20.579
literally has flame designs in their hair. Where
00:56:20.579 --> 00:56:23.599
did they sleep? That's all I want to know. Right!
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:31.380
And this gets me to one of my other kind of religious
00:56:31.380 --> 00:56:35.380
notes, which is, why is no one referencing Xenol
00:56:35.380 --> 00:56:38.309
in all of this luck wishing? Like, there's no,
00:56:38.449 --> 00:56:41.869
may Zin 'al smile upon you today, or maybe Zin
00:56:41.869 --> 00:56:43.929
'al won't be paying attention today. You better
00:56:43.929 --> 00:56:47.210
hope so, if he hates you as much as I do. There
00:56:47.210 --> 00:56:50.190
are so many ways they could use this. It really
00:56:50.190 --> 00:56:52.250
seems for, like, a lot of them, like, I'm sure
00:56:52.250 --> 00:56:53.949
some people are more devout than others, but
00:56:53.949 --> 00:56:55.349
it really seems for, like, a lot of them that
00:56:55.349 --> 00:56:57.369
it's just, like, a really background thing that
00:56:57.369 --> 00:57:00.949
they don't pay too much attention to. yeah it
00:57:00.949 --> 00:57:03.690
just seems strange given how important it is
00:57:03.690 --> 00:57:05.570
in other areas that it it wouldn't just be a
00:57:05.570 --> 00:57:08.130
little more integrated like they're they send
00:57:08.130 --> 00:57:09.829
up their little prayers at important moments
00:57:09.829 --> 00:57:13.989
i guess and they'll like commend souls to malik
00:57:13.989 --> 00:57:17.710
but beyond that this is this is why the world
00:57:17.710 --> 00:57:19.989
at the very least feels deistic to me like even
00:57:19.989 --> 00:57:22.130
if there are gods that created the world they
00:57:22.130 --> 00:57:24.829
seem very non -interventionist to the point where
00:57:24.829 --> 00:57:26.610
people aren't even really thinking about the
00:57:26.610 --> 00:57:29.489
possibility Of divine intervention in anything.
00:57:29.909 --> 00:57:33.230
Yeah. Other than the occasional praying for like
00:57:33.230 --> 00:57:35.050
providence, I guess. Yeah. And when we get to
00:57:35.050 --> 00:57:38.110
Iron Flame, when they are able to go to the little
00:57:38.110 --> 00:57:45.030
town, which is not on this map. So I don't know
00:57:45.030 --> 00:57:47.409
the name off the top of my head. But when they're
00:57:47.409 --> 00:57:49.210
able to go to the little town, they're able to
00:57:49.210 --> 00:57:53.130
go for temple and like for worship. And they're
00:57:53.130 --> 00:57:54.809
all like, yeah, we're going to temple. And then
00:57:54.809 --> 00:57:57.190
they all just go drink. So it's like. Right,
00:57:57.190 --> 00:58:00.389
right. Yeah. But I mean, even like even in our
00:58:00.389 --> 00:58:02.789
world, we still say like, God bless you. Or we've
00:58:02.789 --> 00:58:05.349
got like, even without God, we've got bless you
00:58:05.349 --> 00:58:07.289
like for sneezing. We've got all of these religious
00:58:07.289 --> 00:58:12.050
phrases just in daily life that don't seem to
00:58:12.050 --> 00:58:14.190
appear in their language. Because, you know,
00:58:14.210 --> 00:58:18.730
I'm paying attention to their language. So that
00:58:18.730 --> 00:58:21.590
was just a question I had and some ways that
00:58:21.590 --> 00:58:23.409
I thought that they could get creative with it.
00:58:23.449 --> 00:58:26.239
Agreed. We get Violet paying attention to patches
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:30.219
for the first time on page, even though she tells
00:58:30.219 --> 00:58:32.239
us that she's actually been doing it this whole
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.519
time ever since she found out about Dane's top
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:37.300
secret signet patch. I'm like, okay, thanks for
00:58:37.300 --> 00:58:42.179
not showing any of that to us. Dane orders them
00:58:42.179 --> 00:58:44.920
all back into formation and affirms that he is
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:47.199
going to the gauntlet with them, but he refuses
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:50.679
to look at Violet. Rhea observes that he's pissed
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:53.500
so Violet says he wants something I can't give
00:58:53.500 --> 00:58:56.219
him and now we just imagine Violet or imagine
00:58:56.219 --> 00:58:59.159
Rhiannon raising her eyebrows suggestively and
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:03.440
like no Rhea not sex she could definitely give
00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:07.719
him that I'm totally willing if they weren't
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:09.960
observing the tacit rules about sleeping with
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:13.099
leaders and if she wasn't also a bit mad at him
00:59:13.099 --> 00:59:17.280
too he's being so immature he's giving her the
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.150
cold shoulder right now Yeah, the silent treatment.
00:59:21.710 --> 00:59:24.989
Rhiannon says he's hot in a boy next door who
00:59:24.989 --> 00:59:28.389
can kick your ass kind of way, which I think
00:59:28.389 --> 00:59:32.090
a lot of the writers are into. Yeah. Like, I
00:59:32.090 --> 00:59:34.469
feel like you almost can't like maybe you're
00:59:34.469 --> 00:59:36.329
not necessarily into the boy next door vibe.
00:59:36.429 --> 00:59:38.349
But if you're a writer, I kind of feel like you
00:59:38.349 --> 00:59:41.449
can't not be into the kicking someone's ass.
00:59:41.570 --> 00:59:44.949
Kick your ass. Yeah. And this is where we learn
00:59:44.949 --> 00:59:48.090
that they are down to 171 cadets left, as we
00:59:48.090 --> 00:59:51.329
mentioned before, and there are only 100 dragons
00:59:51.329 --> 00:59:56.289
available to bond. Yes. Violet says she's holding
00:59:56.289 --> 00:59:59.989
her anxiety in reserve for the gauntlet, but
00:59:59.989 --> 01:00:03.510
she can't help wondering if staying a decent
01:00:03.510 --> 01:00:06.690
man today will outweigh killing her for Zayden.
01:00:07.849 --> 01:00:14.099
He's always top of mind. The cadets squabble
01:00:14.099 --> 01:00:16.579
about showing fear because then the dragons will
01:00:16.579 --> 01:00:19.360
notice and not pick you or maybe even kill you.
01:00:19.539 --> 01:00:22.099
And then they argue about this discussion generating
01:00:22.099 --> 01:00:27.840
even more fear. I love Riddick. She says inducing
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:32.280
more fear. Exactly. Violet saves the fearful
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:38.360
day by joking about history tests. Today is nothing,
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:41.599
but Rhiannon is for sure nervous about that test.
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:45.380
Remember, Rhiannon is horrible at dates and names.
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:50.179
I appreciate this. She is not out here memorizing
01:00:50.179 --> 01:00:54.420
every person's name before they die. So I guess
01:00:54.420 --> 01:00:57.400
this history test is about the Treaty of Arif,
01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.059
which was an agreement between Kravla and Navarre
01:01:00.059 --> 01:01:04.519
to allow both dragons and griffins to use the
01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:07.280
airspace in a small part of the Esben Mountains
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:17.699
between Somerton and... I can't remember if we
01:01:17.699 --> 01:01:21.059
learn why or if this is just about the trade
01:01:21.059 --> 01:01:24.380
that we talked about previously. Yeah, Resin
01:01:24.380 --> 01:01:27.800
is where the trade spot is, and that is between
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:31.199
Summerton and Dreyfus as well as Athvine. Yes,
01:01:31.219 --> 01:01:34.940
okay. Rhiannon finds Violet's memory terrifying.
01:01:35.739 --> 01:01:38.500
She does sound like she's reading the definition
01:01:38.500 --> 01:01:42.780
of this event from a textbook. Also, where is
01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:45.219
this memory later when she spends ages unable
01:01:45.219 --> 01:01:50.400
to remember stuff in Onyx Storm? Anyway. She's
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:54.059
got more in her mind then. And maybe brain fog
01:01:54.059 --> 01:01:57.619
because she's pregnant. Or just brain fog because
01:01:57.619 --> 01:02:02.679
she's been so distracted. hyper stressed and
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:06.820
no that is definitely more likely i just like
01:02:06.820 --> 01:02:08.639
bringing up i won't blame that one on pregnancy
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:12.900
i will say though pregnancy brain is fucking
01:02:12.900 --> 01:02:17.820
real it is so yes real i yes i don't think that
01:02:17.820 --> 01:02:21.300
she necessarily is pregnant but that is that
01:02:21.300 --> 01:02:26.280
is a real thing yeah one of my co -workers is
01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:29.760
pregnant right now and Sometimes I'm just like,
01:02:29.780 --> 01:02:31.639
she has an excuse for all of the weird things
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:34.559
she tries to do. I go to put like a pencil in
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:41.679
the fridge and I'm like, I have no excuse. Unfortunately,
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:45.360
Mamrie can't get Violet up the gauntlet. It's
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:49.000
a little too intangible for that. Bummer. Zayden
01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:53.719
calls out for fourth wing to advance. She knows
01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:56.320
it's him without looking, to which I said, maybe
01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:59.880
because humans generally have, like... voice
01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:03.179
recognition software installed. Like, I think
01:03:03.179 --> 01:03:05.400
everyone else knows who it is too, probably.
01:03:05.780 --> 01:03:08.820
Probably. Small shout out, if you listen to the
01:03:08.820 --> 01:03:12.219
graphic audio version of this book, this particular
01:03:12.219 --> 01:03:14.780
scene is one of those moments where the guy that
01:03:14.780 --> 01:03:17.480
they have playing Zayden, they get him to actually
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:21.780
project from a distance out of the mic. And so,
01:03:21.780 --> 01:03:25.139
yeah, no, you hear this fourth wing move out
01:03:25.139 --> 01:03:27.539
and it just runs down your spine and you're like,
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:33.090
oh, hi daddy. I know that voice hi daddy sorry
01:03:33.090 --> 01:03:43.550
you can proceed do not apologize ever and as
01:03:43.550 --> 01:03:46.010
they move out they have to cram into a little
01:03:46.010 --> 01:03:49.010
tunnel to get to the gauntlet it is mage lit
01:03:49.010 --> 01:03:51.309
so it's using magic to be able to see where they're
01:03:51.309 --> 01:03:55.099
going There are shadows all along the floor of
01:03:55.099 --> 01:03:59.420
the path. So Violet spends the walk wondering
01:03:59.420 --> 01:04:05.219
just how far Zayden's shadow powers extend. Specifically,
01:04:05.340 --> 01:04:07.219
can he reach all the way into the tunnel and
01:04:07.219 --> 01:04:13.619
murder them if he wants? Which, yes. Yes. And
01:04:13.619 --> 01:04:16.860
you wouldn't want it any other way. Maybe not
01:04:16.860 --> 01:04:20.849
like at this point. I don't know. We talk a lot
01:04:20.849 --> 01:04:23.710
about their signets getting stronger and the
01:04:23.710 --> 01:04:26.469
reasons that they get stronger. And I totally
01:04:26.469 --> 01:04:30.469
believe that his shadow powers become so much
01:04:30.469 --> 01:04:34.809
stronger once him and Violet actually start needing
01:04:34.809 --> 01:04:37.610
to, well, first of all, needing to protect her
01:04:37.610 --> 01:04:40.030
because of the bonds, quote, unquote, unquote,
01:04:40.030 --> 01:04:43.610
unquote, unquote. But his deep -seated need to
01:04:43.610 --> 01:04:46.869
protect her, I think that is what really, really
01:04:46.869 --> 01:04:49.969
sets off his signet. And really turns up the
01:04:49.969 --> 01:04:53.929
power on it. I agree. Absolutely. Okay, sorry.
01:04:55.710 --> 01:04:58.670
Violet takes a little moment to do her own in
01:04:58.670 --> 01:05:02.389
-world lore investigation of the magic system.
01:05:03.869 --> 01:05:06.849
Does Zeta need to take breaks after using his
01:05:06.849 --> 01:05:10.289
power? Are there checks or balances on his power?
01:05:10.929 --> 01:05:13.610
And I was like, no, that's the whole reason that
01:05:13.610 --> 01:05:16.690
channeling and becoming Venom is a risk. But
01:05:16.690 --> 01:05:18.969
he's not his most skilled yet, so that's kind
01:05:18.969 --> 01:05:23.449
of the only chat code there is on it. Dane tries
01:05:23.449 --> 01:05:28.570
one more time, which is a lie, to make Violet
01:05:28.570 --> 01:05:32.110
turn back and reach the scribe. Oh, and he doesn't
01:05:32.110 --> 01:05:35.489
even ask her anymore. He tells her, change your
01:05:35.489 --> 01:05:46.489
mind. Yeah. He does say please. Okay. She says
01:05:46.489 --> 01:05:50.369
that she can't any more than he can. He objects,
01:05:50.570 --> 01:05:53.829
but I'm a rider. Maybe I am too, she insists.
01:05:54.250 --> 01:05:57.409
And he's all, don't make me have to bury you.
01:05:57.630 --> 01:06:01.750
And Violet is all existential, like, death is
01:06:01.750 --> 01:06:04.449
inevitable for us both. And it's not macabre,
01:06:04.449 --> 01:06:08.530
because it's just true. I'm sorry. But going
01:06:08.530 --> 01:06:11.590
back, where she says, well, maybe I am too, he
01:06:11.590 --> 01:06:14.239
says, don't be. And then cuts himself off. I'm
01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:16.500
like, what, Dane? I would have said, finish that
01:06:16.500 --> 01:06:19.079
sentence. Don't be what? Stupid? Ridiculous?
01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:23.039
Like, what? Absurd. Stubborn. Okay, you do not
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:26.000
think that Sheik is a writer. You don't think
01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:28.960
that she is or could be a writer. Like, deep
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:34.619
down in his core. Yeah. And really quick, another
01:06:34.619 --> 01:06:39.260
note that I skipped over. I am wondering, especially
01:06:39.260 --> 01:06:42.820
because she is like... oh what can Zayden do
01:06:42.820 --> 01:06:44.940
in these shadows and then Dane starts talking
01:06:44.940 --> 01:06:48.280
to her I'm like I'm totally convinced that Zayden
01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:50.579
is eavesdropping on this conversation like I
01:06:50.579 --> 01:06:53.119
believe that any time that he is close by and
01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:55.920
Violet is in shadows like he is like tuned in
01:06:55.920 --> 01:07:01.059
and if I was him I would be oh yeah So you just
01:07:01.059 --> 01:07:03.780
jogged a memory. I saw this thing on Instagram
01:07:03.780 --> 01:07:06.340
and I saved it but didn't share it with you guys.
01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:09.860
There's a theory out there that the shadows...
01:07:09.860 --> 01:07:11.639
You've been watching the stuff I like, haven't
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:15.710
you? She said she hasn't watched anything. Oh,
01:07:15.730 --> 01:07:17.630
I said, good. You haven't sent it because I haven't
01:07:17.630 --> 01:07:19.989
watched this stuff in our chat for like a month.
01:07:20.070 --> 01:07:22.070
Sorry. Versus I thought you meant that you were
01:07:22.070 --> 01:07:23.610
been watching the things I like. Cause like when
01:07:23.610 --> 01:07:25.369
I go scrolling, I get this little pop -up where
01:07:25.369 --> 01:07:27.469
I can hit the stuff that my friends have liked.
01:07:27.530 --> 01:07:29.309
And so I do that sometimes. That would be a good
01:07:29.309 --> 01:07:31.809
way for you guys to track me if you wanted to.
01:07:32.309 --> 01:07:34.809
But no, there's a theory out there that Zayden
01:07:34.809 --> 01:07:38.969
amplified the shadows in the tree to hide Violet
01:07:38.969 --> 01:07:42.119
from the rest of the. I think you did send us
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:45.119
this one. Yeah. I didn't watch it, but that's
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:49.360
amazing. Yeah. Especially because it's such a
01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:53.280
moonlit night. Uh -huh. Oh, I love that. And
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:55.619
yet she finds this perfect shadow to hide in.
01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:57.519
Where it's close enough for her to hear, too.
01:07:57.940 --> 01:08:03.599
Yeah. Oh, I love that. Even if it's just for
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:07.139
the, you know, the purpose of making sure that
01:08:07.139 --> 01:08:09.719
the others don't. see her so he doesn't like
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:13.280
have to kill her right now like or even more
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:15.300
to the point like if he did have to kill her
01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:17.380
at least she wouldn't be dying in this like mass
01:08:17.380 --> 01:08:19.699
execution that could implicate so many other
01:08:19.699 --> 01:08:23.680
people that he's supposedly there so like i could
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.659
see a less touchy -feely approach to if i have
01:08:26.659 --> 01:08:28.359
to kill her it'd be better if i did it when no
01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:32.739
one else was around yeah well no yeah i i think
01:08:32.739 --> 01:08:36.579
even the The first isn't super touchy feely.
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:38.960
It's just like to ensure that he's keeping his
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:45.960
promise to Mama Sorengale. Yeah. Yep. But I love
01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:48.600
that so much. I really need to get onto Instagram
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:50.640
and watch all of the videos, but I get so overwhelmed.
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:55.699
They just like pile up and I'm like, oh no. Yeah.
01:08:57.180 --> 01:08:59.300
Don't take it personally, please. I don't watch
01:08:59.300 --> 01:09:01.539
anybody's anything the majority of the time.
01:09:01.659 --> 01:09:03.600
But then I'll go on a bender where I'll watch
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:06.760
all of it and respond to all of it. Kara's been
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:09.779
in the same boat. I try to do a couple at a time
01:09:09.779 --> 01:09:12.039
so that when I finally have time to do a whole
01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:17.079
bunch, it's not as many. I'm sadly notorious
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:19.340
for just, I'm doing it right now, wiping away
01:09:19.340 --> 01:09:21.279
the notifications because I can't have a bunch
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:24.420
of notifications stressing me on my phone. And
01:09:24.420 --> 01:09:27.300
then like... Every couple of weeks when I can
01:09:27.300 --> 01:09:30.479
get myself to complete tasks without getting
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:34.119
anxious about it, I will sit down and try to
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:37.460
knock out my Instagram chats. John, do you want
01:09:37.460 --> 01:09:44.619
to get angry? Okay. Do you want to see my emails?
01:09:45.460 --> 01:09:49.739
I have 49 ,000 emails. I turn those bubbles off.
01:09:49.939 --> 01:09:53.279
I do too. I turned it off so that my phone didn't
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:57.789
have to shame me. Yeah. Yeah. I just get, I have
01:09:57.789 --> 01:10:02.130
186 unopened text messages and 61 missed phone
01:10:02.130 --> 01:10:05.409
calls slash voicemails, but that's only because
01:10:05.409 --> 01:10:08.409
my phone doesn't automatically put those away
01:10:08.409 --> 01:10:10.869
when I listen to them for whatever reason. So.
01:10:10.970 --> 01:10:16.229
Oh, that's rude. Yeah. I'm, I get, I don't like
01:10:16.229 --> 01:10:18.689
being constantly available. You guys, I really
01:10:18.689 --> 01:10:22.050
hate it. I hate it so much. And I leave the notifications
01:10:22.050 --> 01:10:25.539
because I'm like, I need to respond. And if I
01:10:25.539 --> 01:10:27.520
don't leave the notification, I'll never remember
01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:30.000
to respond. But then I get so overwhelmed because
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:33.460
there's so many and I don't respond. Dude, it's
01:10:33.460 --> 01:10:35.579
real. And it makes me laugh because I watched
01:10:35.579 --> 01:10:37.279
shows like Downton Abbey and I'm like, the way
01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:39.720
that they write letters is almost like the way
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:42.640
that we text now. And I'm like, because it basically
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:45.399
was with the invention of the trains, they suddenly
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:47.140
could get a letter from one end of England to
01:10:47.140 --> 01:10:51.300
the other in a day. And so it basically was texting
01:10:51.300 --> 01:10:54.880
for them. We're sending a note up to the house.
01:10:56.479 --> 01:11:01.720
I just listened to the book Feed by M .T. Anderson
01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:06.699
this week, which is a YA sci -fi that I read
01:11:06.699 --> 01:11:09.300
in middle or high school. What was the name one
01:11:09.300 --> 01:11:14.300
more time? Feed. Okay. A friend on Facebook had
01:11:14.300 --> 01:11:16.899
posted something that just happened to have like
01:11:16.899 --> 01:11:18.920
a person in the picture reading that book. And
01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:21.220
so I was like, I need to reread that because
01:11:21.220 --> 01:11:26.020
that. book has stuck with me basically part the
01:11:26.020 --> 01:11:30.819
the title aspect of the world is that not everyone
01:11:30.819 --> 01:11:34.119
a lot of people um when they're very young get
01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:38.180
this implant in their brains that feeds them
01:11:38.180 --> 01:11:41.600
that is like a feed for it's kind of like if
01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:45.439
the internet was in your brain um just so you're
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:49.880
constantly getting fed like and chat messages
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:52.439
from other people, and you're just constantly
01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:57.619
bombarded with information and things vying for
01:11:57.619 --> 01:12:00.840
your attention. Not that one. That is the Mira
01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:03.140
Grant feed, which I believe is the zombie. Oh,
01:12:03.140 --> 01:12:05.640
M .J. Anderson. I was going to say, it's zombie
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:08.500
or it's... That one, yes. Zombie or vampire,
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:10.920
I can't remember which one, but that's the one
01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:12.960
I remember from high school. I've read the zombie
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:14.720
one. I haven't read the vampire one, so I'm pretty
01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:18.199
sure feed is Mira Grant's zombie one. Um, which
01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:20.180
I don't remember if you made me read that or
01:12:20.180 --> 01:12:22.659
if I made you read that, John. I didn't read
01:12:22.659 --> 01:12:25.579
it. So you, okay. Maybe I just told you about
01:12:25.579 --> 01:12:29.039
it after I read it. Cause I felt like maybe it
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:31.680
was when you would like aspects of it made me
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:34.899
think you might like it. But, um, so in this
01:12:34.899 --> 01:12:37.680
one, yeah. So I just remember at a very young
01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:42.479
age, like being very suspicious of like social
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:45.539
media and any, and advertising and anything that
01:12:45.539 --> 01:12:49.560
is. Anything that, like, you can't turn off that
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:53.880
is trying to get your attention and suck it away
01:12:53.880 --> 01:12:57.460
from the real world. And one of the things that,
01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:00.600
like, they're constantly, you know, chatting
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:02.520
through their brains. It's like telepathy, but
01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:06.420
not. Because it's like texting with your internet
01:13:06.420 --> 01:13:10.739
implant, basically. No, thank you. And there's
01:13:10.739 --> 01:13:13.020
just, like, moments where people don't respond.
01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:16.939
And it's like, wow. this is leaving someone on
01:13:16.939 --> 01:13:18.800
read before leaving someone on read was a thing.
01:13:19.939 --> 01:13:22.579
Except for it also didn't tell you if you read
01:13:22.579 --> 01:13:24.300
it or not. So they just thought that their feed
01:13:24.300 --> 01:13:26.039
was malfunctioning and not sending the messages
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:30.140
at all, which is very depressing in the context
01:13:30.140 --> 01:13:40.899
of the story. Sounds good. Back to Dane pleading
01:13:40.899 --> 01:13:44.890
Violet to back out now. They exit the tunnel
01:13:44.890 --> 01:13:49.210
and he is now begging her at full volume, not
01:13:49.210 --> 01:13:52.109
even trying to modulate anymore. So anyone nearby
01:13:52.109 --> 01:13:55.010
could hear this conversation and probably makes
01:13:55.010 --> 01:13:56.930
her seem even more weak, which it seems like
01:13:56.930 --> 01:14:01.560
Dane doesn't want. Oh, the view is spectacular.
01:14:02.260 --> 01:14:04.979
I, too, am distracted by a good mountain view,
01:14:05.060 --> 01:14:10.960
Violet. Amen. I'm sorry. She turns around to
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:13.840
look at the arched tunnel entrance and the mountains
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:17.239
above it. She bites her lip and reminisces about
01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:19.380
how much cooler it looks than the maps that she's
01:14:19.380 --> 01:14:23.050
studied of it. Or it's also cooler because she
01:14:23.050 --> 01:14:25.069
knows that behind the ridge is the flight field
01:14:25.069 --> 01:14:28.329
where only riders are allowed except during presentation,
01:14:28.630 --> 01:14:32.369
which will occur today. Dane, who cannot not
01:14:32.369 --> 01:14:34.810
be the center of attention and needs to be melodramatic
01:14:34.810 --> 01:14:37.649
for a second, says, I don't know if I can watch.
01:14:38.750 --> 01:14:41.590
She notes his perfectly trimmed beard, which
01:14:41.590 --> 01:14:44.090
I never imagined him with, and his full -lipped
01:14:44.090 --> 01:14:47.399
frown. And she says, Pluck out your eyes. Oh,
01:14:47.420 --> 01:14:49.000
no, wait. That's what Jesus says in the Bible.
01:14:50.819 --> 01:14:54.539
But she does basically say, then don't watch.
01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:58.880
That's amazing. Then pluck out thine eyes. Yep.
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:01.760
But I do think it's funny because this is exactly
01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:03.760
what I... Then close your eyes. And I do this
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:06.619
with Noah, my four -year -old, all the time.
01:15:07.529 --> 01:15:09.909
One of the things that I've convinced him is
01:15:09.909 --> 01:15:13.149
that he has the magic power to turn off the sun
01:15:13.149 --> 01:15:19.489
if he closes his eyes. That started when he was
01:15:19.489 --> 01:15:23.590
much younger. But sometimes he'd be like, the
01:15:23.590 --> 01:15:25.069
sun is too bright. And I'm like, well, guess
01:15:25.069 --> 01:15:28.449
what? Just close your eyes and the sun will turn
01:15:28.449 --> 01:15:34.210
off. But there are several things that I do with
01:15:34.210 --> 01:15:38.119
Noah where I say, then close your eyes. If you
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:41.479
don't want to watch the game that's on TV or
01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:43.979
whatever, because really we only use the TV when
01:15:43.979 --> 01:15:46.460
they're awake if there is some type of sports
01:15:46.460 --> 01:15:51.539
ball game on or sports puck game. But if he's
01:15:51.539 --> 01:15:52.859
like, I don't want to watch this, I'm like, then
01:15:52.859 --> 01:15:56.909
close your eyes or go to another room. I have
01:15:56.909 --> 01:15:59.050
a similar conversation with myself when it's
01:15:59.050 --> 01:16:01.670
sunny and I'm like, then just wear your sunglasses.
01:16:02.869 --> 01:16:06.529
Like you have the accommodating tool for this
01:16:06.529 --> 01:16:10.430
problem. It's not a sign of weakness to put on
01:16:10.430 --> 01:16:17.529
sunglasses. Have you heard, I've heard for sound,
01:16:17.670 --> 01:16:23.069
some people can flex their ear muscle and it
01:16:23.069 --> 01:16:25.699
makes that little vibration. And apparently,
01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:27.920
because I can do that, but it's not comfortable,
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:30.399
but apparently when some people do that, they
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:34.859
can, like, mute the outside world. And so then
01:16:34.859 --> 01:16:37.000
when people are talking about sounds they don't
01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:38.760
want to hear, and these people are just like,
01:16:38.819 --> 01:16:41.100
well, like, just vibrate your ears and don't
01:16:41.100 --> 01:16:45.340
listen to it. What? What? There are people with
01:16:45.340 --> 01:16:52.600
this power? Wild. So back to Dane closing his
01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:55.810
eyes. Violet has a plan this time, and if he
01:16:55.810 --> 01:16:57.569
doesn't want to see her be a creative badass,
01:16:57.909 --> 01:17:02.010
that's his loss. Dane, bringing the drama back,
01:17:02.210 --> 01:17:06.930
asks, what changed? So let's imagine that Violet
01:17:06.930 --> 01:17:09.289
matches the drama, turns to him and flips her
01:17:09.289 --> 01:17:15.170
hair and says, me. So it's so good. What changed?
01:17:15.550 --> 01:17:23.079
Me. Me, Dane. I changed. Of course it's me. You
01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:25.000
said that we would still be the same people,
01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:30.079
but I refuse. It is now an hour later, and we
01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:33.880
jump onto the gauntlet with Vi. Unlike her, we
01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:36.000
have no risk of falling off because we are readers,
01:17:36.060 --> 01:17:38.479
and we get automatic plot armor by dint of the
01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:41.079
author not writing us in. Because this is not
01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:45.260
a choose -your -own -adventure story. And this
01:17:45.260 --> 01:17:49.529
isn't George R .R. Martin. I'm sorry. Can you
01:17:49.529 --> 01:17:51.149
tell I had a lot of fun with the notes this time?
01:17:51.210 --> 01:17:57.510
Yes, I'm appreciating it. I love it. Violet gets
01:17:57.510 --> 01:18:00.789
up to the third ascent and she hasn't had to
01:18:00.789 --> 01:18:03.609
reach for a single rope yet. She can feel Dane
01:18:03.609 --> 01:18:05.909
watching despite his promises that he couldn't
01:18:05.909 --> 01:18:09.130
possibly. She refuses to find out or to give
01:18:09.130 --> 01:18:12.550
him one last longing moment of eye contact. She's
01:18:12.550 --> 01:18:15.649
got to focus. No time for coddling men's feelings
01:18:15.649 --> 01:18:18.859
on the gauntlet. Yes. Men's feelings ain't shit,
01:18:18.979 --> 01:18:24.579
Violet. Rhi shouts up encouragement. You can
01:18:24.579 --> 01:18:26.699
do it! And someone probably... Well, she shouts
01:18:26.699 --> 01:18:31.439
down encouragement. Right. Down. Because she's
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:33.979
ahead of Violet? She's already at the top. Okay.
01:18:34.060 --> 01:18:36.840
Yes. So she shouts encouragement. You can do
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:40.319
it! And someone probably mother -flogging Jack
01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:46.189
Barlow adds, or you could not! Since it's not
01:18:46.189 --> 01:18:48.869
just their squad, but every first year now, he
01:18:48.869 --> 01:18:51.850
has lots of opportunities for quips. Heckling.
01:18:52.109 --> 01:18:54.329
Violet now decides it's time to touch a rope.
01:18:54.609 --> 01:18:58.810
Can she do that? People ask. But Vi isn't citing
01:18:58.810 --> 01:19:01.609
Codex at us, so it's probably like sleeping with
01:19:01.609 --> 01:19:04.210
your superiors and not explicitly forbidden.
01:19:04.510 --> 01:19:07.750
But we also know that it just gives her a time
01:19:07.750 --> 01:19:10.350
deduction. So I think that the someone snapping,
01:19:10.670 --> 01:19:14.569
I think that's Amber already. Yeah, I do too.
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:17.239
Yeah, because she's the one that is going to
01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:20.180
care. And Dane also cares, but he's not going
01:19:20.180 --> 01:19:22.979
to be saying anything against her right now.
01:19:24.489 --> 01:19:27.689
We get a prayer sent up to Zinal, so gods are
01:19:27.689 --> 01:19:30.729
visualized as in the sky in this world, or at
01:19:30.729 --> 01:19:33.750
the very least as Zinal is. And she pulls the
01:19:33.750 --> 01:19:37.050
rope sideways, using it to climb up the hollow
01:19:37.050 --> 01:19:39.829
pillar of the chimney structure. This is where
01:19:39.829 --> 01:19:42.210
not paying attention to physical details starts
01:19:42.210 --> 01:19:47.569
to trip up my imagining. So originally I thought
01:19:47.569 --> 01:19:51.470
that she was like... So she's kind of like pulling
01:19:51.470 --> 01:19:58.090
a Mulan or... Like, doing what... Well, because
01:19:58.090 --> 01:20:00.770
she's not... It's less of a Mulan and more of,
01:20:00.850 --> 01:20:03.670
like, the traditional cat burglar where they
01:20:03.670 --> 01:20:06.729
throw the hook up and then they walk up this
01:20:06.729 --> 01:20:09.750
side. Yeah, that's why I said sort of a Mulan,
01:20:09.750 --> 01:20:11.989
because that's just the first picture I had before
01:20:11.989 --> 01:20:15.010
I realized, oh, wait, she's in the hollow. She's
01:20:15.010 --> 01:20:18.390
not around, like, a post. So then I was picturing,
01:20:18.390 --> 01:20:21.359
like, oh, just what any... cliff or mountain
01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:24.319
climber would do like with your belay on the
01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:29.359
way down except for she's going up yes and she
01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:33.819
is taking Zayden's words to heart about the right
01:20:33.819 --> 01:20:37.100
way not being the only way her heart pounds and
01:20:37.100 --> 01:20:40.479
her hands hurt the rope hurts and she's probably
01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:42.979
got some serious rope burn but maybe her joints
01:20:42.979 --> 01:20:45.659
are also hurting like mine have this week and
01:20:45.659 --> 01:20:48.020
holding things in general is hard let alone gripping
01:20:48.020 --> 01:20:55.390
for dear life She gets to the top and pulls herself
01:20:55.390 --> 01:20:58.869
over. There's only one more obstacle. Her cheer
01:20:58.869 --> 01:21:01.750
squad hypes her up some more, and she is now
01:21:01.750 --> 01:21:06.109
facing Riddick. He says, hell yes, that's our
01:21:06.109 --> 01:21:11.130
girl. And I'm like, I just love their friend
01:21:11.130 --> 01:21:12.750
group. Just picture him with some pom -poms.
01:21:12.970 --> 01:21:15.430
I just love their friend group. They're so supportive.
01:21:15.750 --> 01:21:19.670
It's like, that's our girl. Love you, bye. Amazing.
01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:23.720
And so it's like, it seemed like the first gauntlet
01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:25.779
practice, they were still like, I think they
01:21:25.779 --> 01:21:27.020
were like friendly, but I don't think they were
01:21:27.020 --> 01:21:30.659
friends yet because I just didn't get the vibe.
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:33.220
They hadn't had a lot of time. Yeah. More time
01:21:33.220 --> 01:21:35.779
has passed. Yeah. And they've had to actively
01:21:35.779 --> 01:21:38.739
band together against all of the Tynans and Barlows
01:21:38.739 --> 01:21:42.020
and Lukas. Yeah. Lukas. Yeah. So it was just
01:21:42.020 --> 01:21:44.579
like to see the difference between like, oh,
01:21:44.619 --> 01:21:47.439
he's sticking up for her, which seems like. you
01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:49.880
know wild and kind of weird and it's like what's
01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:53.060
going on and then from that to the next chapter
01:21:53.060 --> 01:21:55.060
being like that's our girl and like giving her
01:21:55.060 --> 01:21:58.079
like a bear hug they're fully invested oh love
01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:02.439
it love it i also took these notes before we
01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:05.479
had our last recording so i said she now faces
01:22:05.479 --> 01:22:07.560
the super tall ramp like at the end of that ninja
01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:14.090
warrior show the warped wall This is the one
01:22:14.090 --> 01:22:17.010
that mimics scaling a dragon leg and that she's
01:22:17.010 --> 01:22:18.970
supposedly too short or one of the ones that
01:22:18.970 --> 01:22:21.369
she's too short for because the hollow chimney,
01:22:21.430 --> 01:22:24.649
she was also too short to reach. I don't know
01:22:24.649 --> 01:22:26.829
enough about physics myself to corroborate this,
01:22:26.890 --> 01:22:30.630
so we'll just go with it. This is the moment
01:22:30.630 --> 01:22:33.170
that she acknowledges Zayden's words, even though
01:22:33.170 --> 01:22:34.810
they've clearly influenced her rope technique
01:22:34.810 --> 01:22:37.470
earlier. This is the obstacle she's had the most
01:22:37.470 --> 01:22:39.289
trouble with, so it's the one that needed the
01:22:39.289 --> 01:22:44.430
most planning. Enter. Dagger! She lists all the
01:22:44.430 --> 01:22:47.010
pains that she is now going to ignore and locks
01:22:47.010 --> 01:22:49.350
them behind a mental wall, which we know helps
01:22:49.350 --> 01:22:52.130
her with shielding practice later. Yes. That's
01:22:52.130 --> 01:22:57.430
why I wrote shielding. Woo! So she charges like
01:22:57.430 --> 01:23:00.090
she's watched everyone else do in practice. Momentum
01:23:00.090 --> 01:23:02.750
carries her partway up. As soon as she feels
01:23:02.750 --> 01:23:05.109
like she's about to lose that momentum, she throws
01:23:05.109 --> 01:23:07.909
her arm up and plunges the dagger into the ramp.
01:23:08.649 --> 01:23:10.770
Like she's an ice climber, but with only one
01:23:10.770 --> 01:23:13.550
pickaxe and no crampons to dig her toes in with.
01:23:13.850 --> 01:23:17.649
And no belay this time. I'm really drawing on
01:23:17.649 --> 01:23:19.850
my one time climbing a mountain for this guy.
01:23:22.890 --> 01:23:27.069
She then uses that dagger as a hold to fling
01:23:27.069 --> 01:23:29.750
herself the last bit of the way up. Predictably,
01:23:29.750 --> 01:23:33.149
her shoulder loves this. Oh, yes. Nothing like
01:23:33.149 --> 01:23:35.170
putting all of your weight on one of the easiest
01:23:35.170 --> 01:23:38.569
to dislocate joints of the body. And she screams.
01:23:39.890 --> 01:23:42.449
She is able to get her elbow over the ledge and
01:23:42.449 --> 01:23:44.989
haul herself up, stepping on the dagger for that
01:23:44.989 --> 01:23:47.850
extra leverage. And then she leans down to retrieve
01:23:47.850 --> 01:23:53.050
it and resheathe it as she stands. Relief, quote,
01:23:53.250 --> 01:23:55.649
sucks the adrenaline straight out of her body.
01:23:56.119 --> 01:23:58.779
And I can totally feel that. I'm just picturing
01:23:58.779 --> 01:24:02.039
her limbs are totally leaden and shaking. She's
01:24:02.039 --> 01:24:05.140
probably about to pass out and she'd be on the
01:24:05.140 --> 01:24:07.859
ground if it weren't for Rian Riddick. Yeah,
01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:10.340
I mean, imagine like the dizziness, like if you
01:24:10.340 --> 01:24:12.579
have pots, for example, the Disney's just of
01:24:12.579 --> 01:24:14.800
standing up, except you've literally flung yourself
01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:19.970
over a ledge before said standing up. quote,
01:24:20.090 --> 01:24:23.409
someone shouts, you can't do that, which is,
01:24:23.449 --> 01:24:25.949
again, probably our spoiled sport friend, Amr
01:24:25.949 --> 01:24:29.109
Mavis, who will become a thorn in the side momentarily.
01:24:29.270 --> 01:24:33.489
Yeah, well, she just did. Riddick. Her knees
01:24:33.489 --> 01:24:37.869
do, in fact, shake, but thankfully, Rhi and Rai,
01:24:37.930 --> 01:24:41.649
is what I called them, are holding her up. She
01:24:41.649 --> 01:24:44.130
got by through luck and adrenaline, but again,
01:24:44.189 --> 01:24:46.829
no mention of Zinnal here. It really seems they
01:24:46.829 --> 01:24:51.390
are not very interventionist gods. And Amber
01:24:51.390 --> 01:24:55.750
Mavis, a .k .a. Dane's close friend, is now officially
01:24:55.750 --> 01:24:58.630
calling her a cheater. Because of chain of command,
01:24:58.829 --> 01:25:01.229
she's going after Zayden with all the fury of
01:25:01.229 --> 01:25:06.550
a woman scorned. And really quick, I feel like
01:25:06.550 --> 01:25:09.050
I probably said this on a previous episode. My
01:25:09.050 --> 01:25:14.670
memory is like a goldfish, so sorry. But I totally
01:25:14.670 --> 01:25:18.609
think that... Dane probably broke it off with
01:25:18.609 --> 01:25:21.369
Amber as they were ending their first year because
01:25:21.369 --> 01:25:23.310
he knew he was going to be able to talk to Violet
01:25:23.310 --> 01:25:24.850
again. Like, obviously, he didn't know she was
01:25:24.850 --> 01:25:26.850
coming into the writer's quadrant. But I think
01:25:26.850 --> 01:25:29.390
that he was fully like, this is like a fun thing
01:25:29.390 --> 01:25:33.310
to do while I wait for my, you know, childhood
01:25:33.310 --> 01:25:35.529
sweetheart, essentially. It's like a fling. Yeah.
01:25:35.569 --> 01:25:38.609
She really is a woman scorned. No, and I bet
01:25:38.609 --> 01:25:42.109
that he totally let her on. Like, didn't let
01:25:42.109 --> 01:25:45.199
her know, like, oh, this is just, you know. We're
01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:47.199
just sleeping together. This is just, you know,
01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:52.039
for the summer, essentially. And she, like, because
01:25:52.039 --> 01:25:53.920
she has it out for Violet. I think, like, yes,
01:25:53.939 --> 01:25:56.420
she likes the rules. Like, way more. Yeah. But
01:25:56.420 --> 01:25:59.819
I think that it's more Violet than the Codex.
01:25:59.819 --> 01:26:02.880
I think that she's like, fuck you. Like, you
01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:06.060
stole my man. You know? Well, because we know
01:26:06.060 --> 01:26:08.439
that she, like, she doesn't care about the Codex
01:26:08.439 --> 01:26:10.300
enough to not try to murder her in her sleep.
01:26:10.619 --> 01:26:13.300
And I wonder, now that we're talking about...
01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:16.760
this I wonder if part of her obsession with the
01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:20.539
codex comes from Dane basically dating Dane yeah
01:26:20.539 --> 01:26:23.460
and so she's trying to use all of these to like
01:26:23.460 --> 01:26:26.819
feel like well she's not following the codex
01:26:26.819 --> 01:26:32.680
so obviously I'm the better woman yeah yeah oh
01:26:32.680 --> 01:26:35.359
gosh there's one more thing oh yes okay so I
01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:40.180
also feel like when because we'll get to kiss
01:26:40.180 --> 01:26:46.140
gate in a chapter here pretty soon um where violet
01:26:46.140 --> 01:26:52.140
essentially rejects dane and i think that i that
01:26:52.140 --> 01:26:54.960
might have pushed amber over the edge of being
01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:58.699
like he broke up with me to be with her and now
01:26:58.699 --> 01:27:04.180
she's rejecting him yeah and i i hate to to fall
01:27:04.180 --> 01:27:09.710
into the like oh women X's are crazy. You know,
01:27:09.729 --> 01:27:13.710
like, woman scorned and all that stuff. I would
01:27:13.710 --> 01:27:17.409
not scorn a dragon rider. I mean, to me, it's
01:27:17.409 --> 01:27:19.989
not that women are crazy, it's just that people
01:27:19.989 --> 01:27:23.390
are. That's true. Like, people legitimately go
01:27:23.390 --> 01:27:26.010
to weird lengths because of rejection and love
01:27:26.010 --> 01:27:29.350
problems. Yes. Yes. But, yeah, we don't know
01:27:29.350 --> 01:27:32.199
much about her character besides... dane in the
01:27:32.199 --> 01:27:34.659
codex and obviously she doesn't care about the
01:27:34.659 --> 01:27:38.000
codex that much um yeah when it comes to violet
01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:41.899
this is also a side note that we can like i'm
01:27:41.899 --> 01:27:44.619
sure has no significance whatsoever but amber
01:27:44.619 --> 01:27:48.000
mavis is a strawberry blonde and we know that
01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:50.600
one of violet's exes has a thing for redheads
01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:52.699
oh wait how many exes does violet have again
01:27:52.699 --> 01:27:55.380
because we know about you know she has two and
01:27:55.380 --> 01:27:58.699
we only know what one of them is and we don't
01:27:58.699 --> 01:28:02.390
know about the other one yep But the prince has
01:28:02.390 --> 01:28:04.949
a preference for redheads. That is expressed
01:28:04.949 --> 01:28:09.310
to us. Yep. Does that extend to strawberry blonde?
01:28:09.770 --> 01:28:12.989
I don't know. I don't know. I'm not saying that
01:28:12.989 --> 01:28:14.930
they've met. They don't seem like the ages match,
01:28:15.029 --> 01:28:16.890
let alone the quadrants. But I'm just saying,
01:28:17.029 --> 01:28:19.210
there's every chance that she's been with the
01:28:19.210 --> 01:28:24.130
prince. I doubt it. I think it's more likely
01:28:24.130 --> 01:28:27.949
that he might say she's hot. Yeah. Either way.
01:28:28.010 --> 01:28:31.449
Not everyone grows up in proximity to the royalty
01:28:31.449 --> 01:28:36.069
like Violet did. This is a very fair point. It
01:28:36.069 --> 01:28:39.409
was an odd little thing to be like, she's a redhead,
01:28:39.529 --> 01:28:43.149
and not that Violet has any sort of issue with
01:28:43.149 --> 01:28:45.590
redheads, though you would expect that she might.
01:28:46.710 --> 01:28:51.710
Yeah, it just might be like a fitting rival.
01:28:52.550 --> 01:28:55.409
You know what I mean? She's always competing
01:28:55.409 --> 01:29:02.699
with redheads. Yes. So the thing that Amber is
01:29:02.699 --> 01:29:06.199
objecting to right now is that Violet used, quote,
01:29:06.239 --> 01:29:11.479
foreign materials, which to me sounds like when
01:29:11.479 --> 01:29:13.659
you're describing stuff that a kid has shoved
01:29:13.659 --> 01:29:15.720
up their nose and has to go to the doctor to
01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:21.960
get out. Yep. Yep. It's one of those you want
01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:27.699
to see the x -ray. Garrick stands up all huge
01:29:27.699 --> 01:29:30.640
and hulking. He's like, no one insults my family.
01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:34.460
And also my wing leader Zay Zay totally knows
01:29:34.460 --> 01:29:36.479
the rules too. And he's in charge of meeting
01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:38.460
out punishment if the rules were actually broken.
01:29:38.659 --> 01:29:44.840
So chill. My bro Zay Zay. What is it that Drew
01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:48.979
is reading Zayden as? I think Xander is what
01:29:48.979 --> 01:29:51.560
he initially read it as. Okay. And then I, and
01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:53.579
then when we were, yeah, then it turned into
01:29:53.579 --> 01:29:56.739
Zardern or something like that. Yeah. He, he
01:29:56.739 --> 01:29:59.000
added a letter and then I said, and then you
01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:02.119
stirred them all up. And he's like, well, I couldn't
01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:06.180
have just like left it at is and added a letter.
01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:07.640
And it's like, well, yeah, you could have called
01:30:07.640 --> 01:30:14.579
him Zardern or Zadern. Zadern. Zadern. Zadern.
01:30:16.629 --> 01:30:18.869
That's a little too close to Zadok the priest
01:30:18.869 --> 01:30:23.270
for my liking. What is that? Zadok the priest
01:30:23.270 --> 01:30:29.430
is a historical figure in specifically the Anglican
01:30:29.430 --> 01:30:35.189
Church. He's a claimed member of theology and
01:30:35.189 --> 01:30:38.550
was part of the crowning of the first king of
01:30:38.550 --> 01:30:42.590
England and back before the Church of England,
01:30:42.750 --> 01:30:46.949
so back when it was still Catholic. And what
01:30:46.949 --> 01:30:50.829
was the name? Zadok the priest. Zadok. Interesting.
01:30:51.029 --> 01:30:54.970
So I found my note that I sent you guys. Drew
01:30:54.970 --> 01:31:00.010
read his name as Xander Riordanson. It's like
01:31:00.010 --> 01:31:03.970
Rick Ryerson. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Although Rierson
01:31:03.970 --> 01:31:07.050
is Rick. Yeah. So anyway, that is Rick Rierson.
01:31:07.130 --> 01:31:09.949
That is the same last name as Zadon. Yeah, so
01:31:09.949 --> 01:31:11.689
he said that he added a letter for seasoning,
01:31:11.850 --> 01:31:14.250
and then I said that he stirred it up. He said,
01:31:14.270 --> 01:31:16.890
you have to. I said, you could have just slipped
01:31:16.890 --> 01:31:20.630
the R in as Zardin or Zadern. And his response
01:31:20.630 --> 01:31:24.510
was, Zardin is too spacey. Zadern is a war crime.
01:31:24.789 --> 01:31:26.909
I'm upset at you for introducing that sound to
01:31:26.909 --> 01:31:30.689
my ears. I wonder what he's going to say to Zadok.
01:31:32.649 --> 01:31:36.050
That's like Zadon and Riddick's ship name. Yes!
01:31:37.069 --> 01:31:39.550
What's hilarious is Zadok actually does kind
01:31:39.550 --> 01:31:42.789
of sound like a space galaxy opera name. It does.
01:31:43.430 --> 01:31:47.289
It does. Violet simultaneously makes eye contact
01:31:47.289 --> 01:31:51.750
with Amber and Zaden. He arches his brow for
01:31:51.750 --> 01:31:54.590
her to explain herself, and she notices, huh,
01:31:54.750 --> 01:31:59.210
no patches. Which is our second on -page noticing
01:31:59.210 --> 01:32:04.300
of patches. Or lack thereof. Which I think is
01:32:04.300 --> 01:32:06.779
the first time that we learn that he doesn't
01:32:06.779 --> 01:32:10.460
wear any of the patches that could reveal anything
01:32:10.460 --> 01:32:14.199
about him. So more secrecy. It's the first time
01:32:14.199 --> 01:32:17.859
that gets framed, but it's not the first time
01:32:17.859 --> 01:32:20.640
that she really comments on, he never seems to
01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:23.600
wear any patches. It's just that, whoa, he doesn't
01:32:23.600 --> 01:32:26.640
have any. It's her first time realizing it. Yeah.
01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:30.720
She now reveals her plan to us, the readers.
01:32:32.109 --> 01:32:35.090
She accounted for the 30 second penalty for touching
01:32:35.090 --> 01:32:38.949
the rope. So that is not an issue because she
01:32:38.949 --> 01:32:41.010
already knew going in what the penalty was going
01:32:41.010 --> 01:32:43.489
to be. And, you know, the fact that she made
01:32:43.489 --> 01:32:45.409
it up at all doesn't really matter that her time
01:32:45.409 --> 01:32:49.670
suffered. But the knife, surely that disqualifies
01:32:49.670 --> 01:32:53.710
her. Amber throws accusations of lawlessness
01:32:53.710 --> 01:32:56.770
within Rareson's wing, and surely he can't tolerate
01:32:56.770 --> 01:33:00.529
that. which is rich, considering the arms dealing
01:33:00.529 --> 01:33:02.630
and little rebellion that he and the Marked Ones
01:33:02.630 --> 01:33:07.090
grew up under. Okay, really quick, really quick,
01:33:07.189 --> 01:33:09.289
though. What happens if they are disqualified?
01:33:09.550 --> 01:33:11.210
Like, do they just throw them off the mountain?
01:33:11.310 --> 01:33:14.590
Because, like, it's do or die. Make them do it
01:33:14.590 --> 01:33:16.750
all over again? This is my question, because
01:33:16.750 --> 01:33:18.689
you can't go down the rope, so does that mean
01:33:18.689 --> 01:33:20.989
that there's a dragon or a bunch of riders standing
01:33:20.989 --> 01:33:22.649
at the bottom of the rope with knives that are
01:33:22.649 --> 01:33:24.569
like, you come down here, I stab you. Stab you,
01:33:24.569 --> 01:33:27.020
stab you, stab you. But if you get to the top
01:33:27.020 --> 01:33:30.020
and you're disqualified, it's like, this is...
01:33:30.020 --> 01:33:34.359
Yeah, like, how cruel are they about this? Do
01:33:34.359 --> 01:33:36.140
they just make you walk back down the stairs
01:33:36.140 --> 01:33:38.920
and do it again, all tired? Or do they just,
01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:42.359
like, that was your shot and you blew it? And
01:33:42.359 --> 01:33:45.060
then I'm just getting this visual of Zayden planting
01:33:45.060 --> 01:33:49.979
his foot in someone's chest and just, like, shoving
01:33:49.979 --> 01:33:55.119
them off as hard as he can thrust. Exactly. Which
01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:57.199
is hilarious, he'd just do it with shadows. Yeah,
01:33:57.239 --> 01:33:59.100
he would not deign to lift his foot for that.
01:34:00.420 --> 01:34:03.380
You're so right. No matter how much I dream of
01:34:03.380 --> 01:34:12.399
him doing so. Okay. Violet starts quoting, A
01:34:12.399 --> 01:34:14.699
rider might only bring to the quadrant the items
01:34:14.699 --> 01:34:17.340
they can carry, to which Amber is all, Do not
01:34:17.340 --> 01:34:19.579
cite the deep magic to me, except for she was
01:34:19.579 --> 01:34:25.399
not there when it was written. But if we would
01:34:25.399 --> 01:34:29.539
just let Vi finish, and they shall not be separated
01:34:29.539 --> 01:34:32.060
from those items, no matter what they may be.
01:34:32.220 --> 01:34:34.600
For once carried across the parapet, they are
01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:37.779
considered a part of their person. Ah, to have
01:34:37.779 --> 01:34:40.659
knives be a literal extension of yourself. Yes.
01:34:40.859 --> 01:34:47.079
And the books, too. Amber is suddenly all about
01:34:47.079 --> 01:34:51.979
context. That was supposed to be about loss prevention.
01:34:52.800 --> 01:35:00.800
Stealing. Loss prevention, holy shit. And Violet
01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:03.600
says the dagger is one of her original set that
01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:05.760
she carried across. It is not one she earned
01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:08.399
on the mat, and therefore it is part of her and
01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:13.619
allowed. And oh, does this please Zayden. Just
01:35:13.619 --> 01:35:19.899
a hint of a smirk on that infuriatingly decadent
01:35:19.899 --> 01:35:23.439
mouth of his. And we get that it should be against
01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:27.300
the rules to look this good. Yeah, I said, why
01:35:27.300 --> 01:35:29.939
is it looking delicious while ruthless against
01:35:29.939 --> 01:35:36.100
the codex? Zayden defends her to Amber, who is
01:35:36.100 --> 01:35:38.859
suddenly all against technicalities and cares
01:35:38.859 --> 01:35:42.500
about the spirit of the law. I just wrote, I
01:35:42.500 --> 01:35:44.720
love technicalities. Like, I don't know where
01:35:44.720 --> 01:35:47.340
the quote is from, but it's like, they're right.
01:35:47.760 --> 01:35:49.479
On a technicality, well, that's the best way
01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:54.300
to be right. Right? I love technicalities. Yeah.
01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:59.220
Yeah, my little childhood lawyer self was all
01:35:59.220 --> 01:36:01.520
about a technicality. I used to argue literally
01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:04.840
anything just to be right. Like, even if I didn't
01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:06.880
believe in it, I wanted to win the argument.
01:36:07.119 --> 01:36:09.560
Yep. And then once I'd won it and the other person
01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:12.119
gave up, I would then concede. No, I actually
01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:14.720
do agree with you. Oh my god, you're that person.
01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:19.779
I'm not anymore, but I was. It's so funny. Amanda
01:36:19.779 --> 01:36:23.500
informed me that people don't like that. I notice
01:36:23.500 --> 01:36:26.699
this all the time with Noah and just the way
01:36:26.699 --> 01:36:29.119
that like. toddler and little kid kids brains
01:36:29.119 --> 01:36:32.239
work is they like are they're such literal thinkers
01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:34.399
that it's like it is almost kind of like they're
01:36:34.399 --> 01:36:36.159
looking for technicalities but it's just because
01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:40.260
they're not interpreting what you're saying so
01:36:40.260 --> 01:36:42.479
like just the other day he was goofing around
01:36:42.479 --> 01:36:45.300
it was dinner time and he was like running around
01:36:45.300 --> 01:36:47.600
like noah time to sit down and he sits down on
01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:52.899
the floor i'm like well yeah i did i didn't specify
01:36:52.899 --> 01:36:56.270
at the table you're right That's when you have
01:36:56.270 --> 01:36:58.449
to be proud of the progeny you brought into this
01:36:58.449 --> 01:37:00.949
world and the havoc that they will one day wreak
01:37:00.949 --> 01:37:07.909
upon it. Yep. I will say, this is a thing that
01:37:07.909 --> 01:37:11.529
Drew and I run into sometimes of accidental misinterpretation
01:37:11.529 --> 01:37:13.250
where he'll say something and I'll be caught
01:37:13.250 --> 01:37:15.789
on the, like, wait, but this literally means
01:37:15.789 --> 01:37:18.550
this. And he's like, no, I just wanted you to,
01:37:18.569 --> 01:37:21.750
in general, do this thing. It doesn't have to
01:37:21.750 --> 01:37:24.880
be literally the way that I said it. especially
01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:27.800
if i'm tired my brain just does not parse out
01:37:27.800 --> 01:37:31.520
like other options same and then i have to be
01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:33.380
like no i'm not trying to be difficult i literally
01:37:33.380 --> 01:37:37.699
just took it literally say what you mean god
01:37:37.699 --> 01:37:44.380
damn it amber flings a you think like a scribe
01:37:44.380 --> 01:37:48.300
at violet which is like thanks duh yeah thank
01:37:48.300 --> 01:37:51.720
you And I think we touched on this in one of
01:37:51.720 --> 01:37:53.600
our other recordings, but I made a note that
01:37:53.600 --> 01:37:55.300
it's like, this is like people telling me I was
01:37:55.300 --> 01:37:57.060
weird in middle and high school. I was like,
01:37:57.159 --> 01:38:03.500
yes, I know. Great, thanks. And? Violet sags
01:38:03.500 --> 01:38:07.100
in relief again, just for Zayden to say, hey,
01:38:07.319 --> 01:38:14.180
you're leaking. Aren't we all? That was a really
01:38:14.180 --> 01:38:18.840
ugly laugh. I'm sorry. It was just there. God
01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:25.000
set me up. Phew. Yes. Yes. All of that flaming
01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:28.000
of her hands earlier has transmogrified into
01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:31.619
blood. Transmogrified? Her mental wall from earlier
01:38:31.619 --> 01:38:36.119
crumbles and all the pain comes flooding in because
01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:40.500
her palms are shredded and not in the swall way.
01:38:45.199 --> 01:38:56.760
Oh, Cassie, I love you. Not like Zayden. So Zayden
01:38:56.760 --> 01:39:00.880
says, do something about it. There's no pathetic
01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:04.819
expressions here. Just a calm practicality from
01:39:04.819 --> 01:39:10.199
Zayden. I'm going to break Abby here. I'm going
01:39:10.199 --> 01:39:13.670
to break her so bad. I'm trying, Daddy. I'm trying.
01:39:18.789 --> 01:39:26.069
Broken. I know we're like two sentences from
01:39:26.069 --> 01:39:28.590
the end, but I totally forgot a note. So the
01:39:28.590 --> 01:39:31.930
whole technicality thing reminded me of Taskmaster.
01:39:31.930 --> 01:39:35.250
Do you guys watch Taskmaster? No, but I feel
01:39:35.250 --> 01:39:37.529
like I need to. You would love it. You would
01:39:37.529 --> 01:39:41.220
love it. So it is a British show. And it is like
01:39:41.220 --> 01:39:44.060
each season or they call a season a series over
01:39:44.060 --> 01:39:47.020
there. But each season takes five comedians.
01:39:47.119 --> 01:39:51.039
And then essentially they, over the past however
01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:54.600
much time, have filmed a series of tasks. And
01:39:54.600 --> 01:39:57.260
then they like watch them in front of the live
01:39:57.260 --> 01:39:59.319
student audience. And then they get like essentially
01:39:59.319 --> 01:40:03.119
graded by the taskmaster. So these tasks can
01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:06.899
be like complex or simple. It's so funny, but
01:40:06.899 --> 01:40:08.770
it will be like. It's so hard to think of an
01:40:08.770 --> 01:40:11.829
example, but like... I'm looking up. You have
01:40:11.829 --> 01:40:15.210
to, you have to like get this ball through the
01:40:15.210 --> 01:40:17.850
hoop, but you may not step on the grass or, you
01:40:17.850 --> 01:40:20.390
know, like... Okay. And one of the best things
01:40:20.390 --> 01:40:24.550
is when people find a technicality, like... And
01:40:24.550 --> 01:40:27.829
are able to like just skip everything essentially.
01:40:27.890 --> 01:40:29.989
And half the time it's rewarded and half the
01:40:29.989 --> 01:40:31.369
time they're like, no, that goes against the
01:40:31.369 --> 01:40:35.090
spirit of the task. But there was one where it
01:40:35.090 --> 01:40:39.569
was like, get these two yoga balls onto the top
01:40:39.569 --> 01:40:42.840
of the yoga mat on the top of the hill. And so
01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:44.920
you have these people, like, rolling the balls,
01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:46.520
or maybe it was, like, three, whatever. They're
01:40:46.520 --> 01:40:47.840
rolling the balls up the hill, and the balls
01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:49.659
are rolling down, and there's, ah, you know,
01:40:49.680 --> 01:40:52.380
and it's very silly. But then one guy reads it
01:40:52.380 --> 01:40:55.399
very, very closely and thinks about it, walks
01:40:55.399 --> 01:40:57.619
up to the top of the hill, grabs the mat, the
01:40:57.619 --> 01:40:59.279
mat that is on top of the hill, and brings it
01:40:59.279 --> 01:41:01.880
down and places the balls on top of it. The mat
01:41:01.880 --> 01:41:04.819
that is on top of the hill. Exactly. So they're,
01:41:04.819 --> 01:41:07.460
like, they even talk to, like, a linguist person,
01:41:07.500 --> 01:41:10.010
and she was, like, no, that is one. That is a
01:41:10.010 --> 01:41:14.010
correct way to interpret it. I'm like, oh, I
01:41:14.010 --> 01:41:16.390
love Taskmaster so much. Imagine getting to be
01:41:16.390 --> 01:41:20.289
the linguist on hand. Yes, I know. It's on YouTube.
01:41:20.550 --> 01:41:24.029
All of the all of the episodes are like full
01:41:24.029 --> 01:41:25.609
episodes and they're free and everything. So
01:41:25.609 --> 01:41:29.289
absolutely watch it. So good. So the place that
01:41:29.289 --> 01:41:32.630
I hear Taskmaster referenced the most, I think
01:41:32.630 --> 01:41:35.189
this is going to be a very nerdy thing. There's
01:41:35.189 --> 01:41:38.229
a podcast called You're Dead to Me, which is.
01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:43.260
It's a history podcast with comedy guests. So
01:41:43.260 --> 01:41:45.439
they've got a historian and a comedian. And a
01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:46.920
lot of the times when they're introducing the
01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:49.500
comedian, that is someone who has been on Taskmaster.
01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:51.800
Oh, very nice. The podcast that I hear it on
01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:53.680
is Hey Riddle Riddle, which is a riddle podcast,
01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:58.760
which is also nerdy. But they're very silly.
01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:02.500
But they talk about it occasionally because it
01:42:02.500 --> 01:42:06.960
kind of fits into what they do. Are you ready
01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:12.779
for me to wrap this up? Yes. Violet rejoins her
01:42:12.779 --> 01:42:15.720
squad. They help her bandage her hand. And then
01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:18.319
they cheer the rest of the squad on. And they
01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:21.960
all make it. Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. The beginning
01:42:21.960 --> 01:42:25.119
of Iron Squad. It was the final gauntlet. Do,
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:30.579
do, do, do. Do, do, do, do, do. I've gotten so
01:42:30.579 --> 01:42:32.500
sick and tired of that song because it's all
01:42:32.500 --> 01:42:34.439
that we keep playing to each other when one of
01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:38.850
us wants to give up. oh yeah oh that an eye of
01:42:38.850 --> 01:42:47.670
the tiger yep yeah what about um take on me that
01:42:47.670 --> 01:42:49.590
one hasn't been played yet but the other one
01:42:49.590 --> 01:42:51.430
that is also getting a lot of love right now
01:42:51.430 --> 01:42:56.609
is the we're all in this together and you know
01:42:56.609 --> 01:42:58.930
if we i don't know the rest of the words yeah
01:42:58.930 --> 01:43:08.319
your dreams come true And so, yeah, no, it's
01:43:08.319 --> 01:43:12.899
just gotten very sad and very, very, very cliche
01:43:12.899 --> 01:43:16.819
and nostalgic. And yet, like, we don't have the
01:43:16.819 --> 01:43:19.319
mental brainpower to make anything more witty
01:43:19.319 --> 01:43:24.560
than that. Yeah. Well, that will do it for us
01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:26.819
for Chapter 11, unless we have any final thoughts.
01:43:27.159 --> 01:43:29.500
I think we've talked plenty during the chapter.
01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:32.579
Yeah, we've already talked about enough. Perfect.
01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:35.319
All right. So that will do it for us this time.
01:43:35.420 --> 01:43:40.340
And until the next chapter, goodbye. Bye. Judy.
01:43:47.119 --> 01:43:49.279
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