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Speaker 1: Week Tim Beveridge on the weekend collective called eighty News Talks.
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Speaker 3: B Yes, some time to introduce Ah. I was looking for metaphors. Are illustrious panelists, Let's say illustrious. Let's go with that he's well known to news Talk, said be audience as a guest on this panel and also as host of the Nutters Club. It's car McDonald. How are you going?
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Speaker 4: Sure, I'm well, thank you excellent?
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Speaker 2: You look well, you're looking.
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Speaker 3: In fact, we're all in T shirts today.
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Speaker 4: It's lovely day up here.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 5: That's that cusp of the season where you step outside and you go jersey. No, yes, maybe try the T shirt or I think I'm surviving and I think my next guest is only wearing a T shirt because he just managed to get dressed and in the door in time.
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Speaker 6: Hush, sorry, it's Luke Dalloo, prietor of Gg's.
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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, geez. I did a bead of interesting job today and my first das spring. He could say, I defrosted the freezer. Well done by accident, No, no, by choice, because I was thinking I have done it.
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Speaker 4: Finally surprising little treats.
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Speaker 2: Actually I won't tell you what it did find.
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Speaker 3: But yes, you ran into the building, didn't you? Because classes are still steamed up. He was running a bit late, I see. I think he left his phone or or clothes at home.
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Speaker 4: Or he's tied up for our topics to day tim.
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Speaker 3: Ready to go anyway, Hey, good, good to see you guys. Now I don't mind telling you. Oh actually, let's start with some positive news. And I've got an interesting observation on this as well. Just breck Baton Bouquet in away. But I thought it was amazing that New Zealand has won its first ever track gold medal at the World Champs, because World Champs have been of course, of Peter Snell was around during the World chance that they were round while Peter Snell was doing it wouldn't be our first. But Jeordy Beamish a great result in the three thousand meters steeplechase and then followed up by Hamish Ker with the gold medal. And I had a bet with one of our journalists that one news would not stick it at the top of the Sports a bulletin and I was right. It was second behind the netball and the rugby. So I don't know what that's all about, but amazing result.
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Speaker 2: Heh luke, what a great race that was because in the heat he actually tripped up too and.
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Speaker 3: Got a boot in the face.
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Speaker 2: I mean a boot, a light sort of spread shoe, a little scraping, a little scrapyd a little dust up, and yeah, I mean what he came he came through and won, and that's great news. Athletic athletics is great at the moment, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: Actually, did you get the sense that the guy who he beat it, I think he's Algerian and Moroccan and I couldn't quite remember, but he's a bit of a legend. He was sort of going for it down the strait and I think he thought he had it in the bag and Beamish just plows up and you can see him going, whoa, No, maybe he's second guessing he should have put the hammer on fans this morning. Oh okay, let's yeah, Well we can talk about that briefly. Anyway, you into the athletics at all.
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Speaker 4: I have Tom and I didn't watch either of the events life, but it did go back and look at them, so I know we won and it's amazing. And when you think about those sort of slow motion shots of you know, if John Walker winning gold and so on, like, yeah, let's get behind them. I mean, it's pretty phenomenal. And Hamish care is not. It's not just like he's just happened to win a gold. He's no best in the world by a country mile. I mean, got an Olympic gold indoor gold.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's the thing. To back up an Olympic gold. It's not just you know, you put one amazing performance and then everything felt a bit cee and the other one actually amazed me. There were no places, but we have three finalists in the women's pole vault this little country called New Zealand.
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Speaker 4: And two of them are from Takapuna.
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Speaker 1: Gramma.
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Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing?
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Speaker 4: I mean three?
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Speaker 3: There must be something special going on with the coaching for pole volt in New Zealand Athletics.
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Speaker 2: They're really stepping up, aren't they.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I think My favorite finish is. It's a bit like I love the moment when the Dutch four x four hundred, four x four hundred relay women's team in the Olympics where Femke Bowl won when she was about thirty meters behind with about one hundred and fifty meters to go. I love it when they come around the band and there's still a bit again and you just that's what Jordy Beamish did. It was remind me of that it's just moment.
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Speaker 4: It's such a pure sport, isn't it. I mean, like a team sport, like football or rugby. You know, there's a lot of coaching and technology and nutrition, but when it comes to a foot race, really is just the fastest person and that could be from anyone.
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Speaker 2: And that's your own race too. You've got to run your own race to win it.
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Speaker 3: What were your sports when you were young, Fellas?
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Speaker 2: I was a softball player, and a rugby player, and a tennis player.
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Speaker 3: Tennis, But what was your top sport? Are we just a fantastic at all of them?
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at all sports. I get medals all the time.
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Speaker 3: Do you ever play for your country?
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Speaker 2: No, I did not. I played for my county, l for my region. Oh that's pretty good. I was a Catholic school board champion.
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Speaker 3: Really not bad. That is pretty good.
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Speaker 2: I had a good serve and a good little.
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Speaker 3: Lob and relationship with the Lord to help you get over the line on that one.
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Speaker 4: What about you, Carl, Rugby? Mostly volleyball, quite liked volleyball.
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Speaker 3: Tall that was the volleyball.
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Speaker 4: Who did you play for tech a pinegram? It is junior level, But then I played rugby, played first fifteen for Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I did volleyball with Western Heights. Okay, we won the we were national champs. Actually he's Zeeland under eighteen team.
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Speaker 4: I've always been hopeless at anything, heading a ball with something hopeless. So yeah, it wasn't much of a summer sportsman.
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Speaker 3: I think we were. I think I know it's taroing of boys. That's right, Taro who were our rivals. God they had some good players as well. Anyway, it's nice to talk about some good positive stuff before the Look, I I'm no economist. The GDP drop, I must say, the economic news always sort of just sort of fudges around my brain a little bit, and I'm never really sure what context to put it in, because it's a great sport for politicians to play when one can blame another and who's done that? But I tend to think, without thinking of any particular era, that usually the Ministry of Finance is either beneficiary or the scapegoat of good or bad news, which largely are out of their control. Because but then again, is it a bad thing that Nicola Willis has been criticized by Roger Douglas Kyle.
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Speaker 4: What's certainly interesting isn't it a friendly fire? I look, I get a bit frustrated with this, just just purely from the point of view that, you know, the kinds of issues that turn up in my consulting room of people who are actually really struggling, often because of business difficulties, you know, in the stresses and strains of that. So, you know, I think what gets really annoying for most people are seeing the blame game, the back and forth of who's to blame, and you know, trying to analyze the numbers and treating it a bit like a sports contest. For actual it's quite a lot of pain out there, you know, and we know that people are struggling. The building industry is kind of wrecked.
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Speaker 2: Really.
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Speaker 4: It's certainly a great time to get a builder if you need one. But I'll be interested to hear what it's like on Fontbe Road. How's HOSPO looking.
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Speaker 2: Well, Hosbo's really tight at the moments. The titles I've seen it in probably twenty years unbelievable. Wow, And I've never I mean, I've been through the GFC, have been through a couple of stop you stop breaking drops and stuff like that, but this has got a long long tail, But I reckon Willis's I mean, she's tiny up the screws. And remember economics is a slow race too. You can't turn her around at a dime. But she is tinying up the screws. But the big question is she's focusing on the right stuff. I mean, I think test cuts were a big mistake from the government. That's clear.
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Speaker 4: We actually now we couldn't afford them, right man, and hindsight's twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, And I mean she's focusing on the Commerce Commission too, and should she be doing that? Where I see it as she should be focusing on getting the economy running well.
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Speaker 3: Of course, there's pressure on the Reserve Bank to drop interest rates, you know, a bit further than maybe had been anticipated now to get more cash into the economy. But I think I was at a gig where Tony Alexander was too. It was chatting about it and how he reckons that the Reserve Bank will always err on the side of being more cautious with interstraight drops. And I think he's right, because you know, when they pull the big levers sometimes, you know, you get a reaction to the other in the other direction. Which you really you know, we want to turn around, So I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I was a talk last week in the Craig of Vestpans and they reckon it's going to drop another percent by June next year.
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Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, that is a hang on.
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Speaker 4: I've got an idea. Why don't we just ride the back of a real estate boom, sell our houses to each other and get lots of foreign investment and then pretend like everything's fine. Let's work every other time.
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Speaker 2: We'll charge your houses at five million dollars each.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, why not? That sounds like you want to join me for the for the one roof radio show and you're going to stick around next hour? You just ride shotgun with She'd be like, who's this guy? Carly wanted to sit in with us? Well, just getting in my old age actually, because I was trying to actually, no, no, I'm not going to rob from the next hour because I could easily go down that that avenue right now. But look, I'm not surprised. I think it's a tough job, and I think, look, maybe there are there are things that people Chris Nicola was talked about cutting the public service, but that's not going to stimulate the economy. That's just saving the government's money. So everything's but I mean, she hasn't cut anything, but we've still got way more public servants than we had before labor added to them. So she's talked a big game in that respect, and I think that's what's probably hoisting her buying potat in some sort of way that she hasn't been as radical. But I'm not sure that Roger Douglas having a crack at you is necessarily the worst thing in the.
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Speaker 4: World, would wear it as a bad you'vonitim.
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Speaker 3: Possibly they would, and we could. That's another discussion for another time about anyway. M Look, look there is another thing. Listen. This is a tricky subject and it's a heavy one because the it's around court orders. And I'll mention why I think we should have a quick chat about this, but then move its sideways a bit. So the Tom Phillips case, there are suppression order is preventing media from sharing certain information and from conversations I've had with people who are not connected with the media, the Bush Telegraph is doing a huge job on spreading word against the wishes of the court. And okay, I mentioned that as the reason for it because I don't really want to go near the subject matter that we're not supposed to talk about. But I do wonder and look at it all the time. There have been cases over the last few years where the court suppress a certain information. But if there's a certain if there's a case that's out there that has a lot of public interest in it, I almost wonder if the court makes itself irrelevant. But I maybe not just simply saying, look, these are uncomfortable facts. But aren't we better to get trusted media outlets to put facts out there rather than the rumor, speculation and innuendo that we see constantly circling circulating around any major case of major public interest. What do you reckon, car?
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Speaker 4: I think it's important to come back to the end tension of suppression orders in general, which is to protect those who have been victimized by a crime in some fashion. So I mean to go sideways to a different example. If we think about sexual violence, which is an area that I do a lot of work in therapeutically, I think the important thing actually comes down to choice for the person who is being protected and recognizing that actually the safety of the victim is paramount. So there's been some recent changes, for instance, where a victim of a sexual abuse crime or sexual violence can choose to have their protection.
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Speaker 2: Lifted because the ration you couldn't could.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, because the rationale of name suppression is not to protect the person who is guilty, but to protect the victim. Right, So if the victim says, hey, I'm fine speaking publicly, then the suppression should be lifted. It's difficult if people are under age, because there's a duty of care to protect people. But I think that's the rationale. The problem is social media, right, and the ease of being information around.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I.
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Speaker 3: Think that's the challenge for the courts going ahead is when is when the cases and the Mara copy case in particular has been massive. I mean all the media outlets have been overwhelmed by the number of people clicking on stories and things. But I think that it almost there is a separate situation where they just have to consider maybe the safe dissemination of accurate information. Because I also think that the public and New Zealand would be very sympathetic to the kids and everything that's happened around that Phillips family.
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Speaker 2: What do you reckon I think we need to protect the kids, for sure. But it raises a point of what's better idle gossip or just the plain facts. Knock it out, whip it out, get the playing facts out there, move on, rather than people talking talking, talking, extrapolating the truth X y Z where I mean. I mean, I'm hearing on the street. I hear in the restaurants, here at the bars, are here at the sushi shop, you know, and you know I hear it everywhere. But the thing is it should just just get it out, rip the bandage of move on.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a difficult one anyway.
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Speaker 4: I thought it destroys in effect, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's well, that's exactly it.
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Speaker 4: You know that once you actually make something forbidden, it becomes more interesting. The case being Barbara Streisan trying to suppress something about herself. I can't tell you I wanted to know.
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Speaker 3: I can't tell you.
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Speaker 4: You can't remember what it is.
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Speaker 3: I know no what it was. Literally, I don't know how many times I talk about this, because it came up again because Barbara Streisand was in the way we were with Robert Redford and who passed away last week. I think still I look at him and go, God, what a good looking guy he was. But no, the Straisand effect is there was a coastal survey, California coastal survey. People have listened to me on overnights, have heard me talk about this a few times. And there were fourteen thousand photos taken to document California's coastal erosion and everything. And so it just took a bunch of photos. And one of the photos seven eight five one three I think I even know the number was Barbara Streisand's house. And she didn't want that photo published. So it had been viewed fourteen times or no, what maybe it is even less than that. When she took the department to court to suppress it, to withdraw it, and as a result of her suing, in the month that followed, there were four hundred and forty thousand downloads of that image and then it just went nuts because and up till that point there are only fourteen, half of which were her legal team. But by the way, go and check it out on Wikipedia, because if there was ever a house I wanted, it would be Barbers Streisand house on the coast of California, of course it is gorgeous. There we go. That's a strides and effect everyone, Thank you very much, at no extra cost.
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Speaker 4: Thanks too much.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, Hey tell you what We need to take a break. We kind of come back and have a bit of a chat about Eden Park and Nimby's and Chris Bishop and predetermined and all that sort of stuff for more events at Eden Park. We'll have a look at that in just a moment. It's twenty three past three. Yes, welcome back to our panel. Luke Dello and car McDonald are my guests today. And guys, the Eden Park restrictions are going to be reviewed, and Chris Bishop has basically said that the current restrictions are absurd and arbitrary, but he's also adamant his review will be fair to both sides. I'm not quite convinced because he's spoken out fairly clearly about how he said and one thing either ridiculous, they' absurd. We're going to get it cracking. We're going to do all this, but I need to follow a process statutorily, I'm going to be fair. I'm not sure both can be true. Luke, what do you think do you think that is going to be a fair review of should what events should be allowed, what increase It's.
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Speaker 2: Definitely not going to be a fair review. I think any Part is one of our most valuable assets and we need to use it to our potential because in the past it's made losses and the Augan Council or ratepayers have actually tipped more money into it to get it living again. So I just think we just need more concerts, more events, maybe triple it and give it a good crack. I mean, look, hey, no one's complaining about the art, are they.
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Speaker 3: No? I don't think so, but why would they complain? Where is it? Is it?
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Speaker 2: Actually?
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Speaker 3: Is it inside?
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Speaker 2: Though?
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Speaker 3: So it's not.
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Speaker 2: Actually I think it's on the field.
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Speaker 3: Now I think it's inside, but I'm not sure. We're maybe a few sculptures probably incompatible, but a bit.
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Speaker 4: Less yelling at a nut show, I would suggest.
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Speaker 2: What will you see a bit of that? Woo?
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Speaker 3: What do you reckon? Ki? Look?
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Speaker 4: I love Eden Park. I was a member with my dad from two thousand and four to twenty twenty. Has spent a lot of time watching watching the All Blacks, watching rugby, watching the Blues lose for about forty years in a row, and I just think what's been frustrating for me over the years is I was listening to, you know, the pie in the sky ideas of building another stadium, which frankly, we just don't have the money or resources in the country right now. We've got much higher priorities and spending billions on the stadium but not allowing Eden Park to actually make the money that it needs to make itself better. And so I'm all for the changes, you know, in particular very much looking forward to going and watching Metallica at full volume on a Wednesday night or just down the road from my house.
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Speaker 3: You know, I was going to joke and say, you call yourself a Christian, but you probably don't.
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Speaker 4: But I don't know.
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Speaker 3: That's not really love with that neighbor.
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Speaker 4: But look, Eaton Park was there when you moved in.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 4: In two thousand and five, we bought a house in Western Springs, which was we could hear the speedway every time it started up. And this was a similar argument about the speedway, and I just thought, I'm not a speedway guy. It's a pain in the bum, especially when you've got a baby. But you know what, they're having fun. And we bought the house here knowing it was there.
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Speaker 3: I think that there's that's a point. Up to a point, it's because when you move it was a rugby venue, a lot of people bought it. It was a rugby venue, there'd be mostly daytime matches, then it became nighttime, so an increasing a change in the use is something that I think you were entitled to have your views heard. And my only concern about it is the conversation has been genuinely so contemptuous towards those people who don't want too much of a change there that I think it's become a bit of a pylon. And I just I think it's worth just at least saying it is still a residential area. People are still entitled to some reasonable enjoyment of their peace and quiet. Up to a point, I think that you're right, it probably is ridiculous some of the restrictions on events. But I just think that some people are arguing basically their attitudes are that the residents can get stuffed, and I think they still have to find a reasonable way through. And here's the problem is that regardless of what happens with the decision, Chris Bishop is going to be up for a judicial review because he's expressed his personal thoughts way too strongly for anyone to think that there was ever going to be a fair process. You can call it a fair process, but when you say I've got to go through this process, it's a bit like I've got to write a few things down on paper even though I've made up my mind, and that's my I think he's made it. He's made a problem for himself, don't you think.
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Speaker 4: Carl Well, I mean, I do agree with what you're saying. There does need to be a process. I think the problem in the past is that the way in which the RMA has been able to be weaponized by people who object to things means that it isn't a process either. You can actually just block something.
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Speaker 2: And why doesn't need to have a process.
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Speaker 4: At a democracy?
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Speaker 2: I know it's a democracy. Why it's the I mean, why why does that? Why can't they aunt concert of tool can go into the end say look and put a resource concent.
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Speaker 3: Well, okay, here's a process. By that you'd say, let's have a concert that starts at one am. Well, if you don't have a process, then you just do what you want. I agree, Yes, Oh, I won another victory at Eden Park.
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Speaker 4: Undefeated.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, moving on to the freedom of speech thing Jimmy Kimmel. Now that look the events in the UK where Jimmy Kimmel was pulled off air, and definitely after comments he made about the shooting of Charlie Kirk, which actually wasn't so much. It wasn't actually about Charlie Kirk himself. It was just about him saying that that the right wing was trying to, you know, do it all it could to make sure it distanced him from the MAGA movement, which didn't seem he was part of. And yet and then there was a threat from I think one of the commissioners around the ABC and all that, and all of a sudden, Jimmy Kimmel has been pulled off here. And I do think that America has got some big problems Kyle, when it comes to the partisanship determining issues, not on whether the issue should be decided a certain way because of simple principles and philosophy and moral value, but just on whose side you're on.
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Speaker 4: Oh well, not even that, just down to the whims of the great leader. I mean, it's actually quite terrifying to me. You know, I sometimes struggle with where that line is for free speech. But I think the point is that we struggle with it, not that we make an autocratic decision about who gets to say what on television. I mean the idea of you know, it's ludicrous to even say it, actually, but the idea of Christopher Laxen deciding that newstalksz B can't he a particular point of view in this country would just be so outrageous to people with That's effectively what has happened in the un It's.
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Speaker 3: Effectively like him saying he's going to have a chat with the I'm not sure what body it is decides who has what frequencies about pulling our access to certain frequencies.
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Speaker 2: Were rend us, we would all be.
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Speaker 3: Outraged, I think, regardless of whether you love or hate the station.
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Speaker 4: And actually comedy has a huge part to play in the media and you know, satirizing power, and it's no surprise that they're going after them effectively first with the Tonight Show. And I hope John Stewart stays on here. That's all I'm going to say.
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Speaker 2: Yes, did you see the video after he said that about Trump being interviewed Trump, and Trump go, you know, what do you think about the xboy ZN And Trump goes, Oh, I'm very sad about it, but look at my construction over here. Oh exactly.
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Speaker 3: I mean we was asked about the death of Charlie Kirk conscience and he literally just went, oh yeah, And by the way, I've got something else I want to talk about.
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Speaker 2: But I think freedom of speech is getting worse. Actually, I think even talking publicly about your opinion, you're either going to hated take it all Facebook, you know, or discrutinized. But why can't you have an opinion? Can't you have an opinion? I mean it creates discussion, it opens up ideas and engages people. And I just feel that you've got to watch what you say to some people. And I'm just talking publicly here, yeah, because you just have this oh I don't.
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Speaker 3: Like cancel culture and yeah. Look, I don't think we've got the same problems here quite that they have in America.
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Speaker 4: I think we're we're doing pretty well on the old freedom side.
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Speaker 3: Tim.
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Speaker 4: I think we're you know, when you look around the world and New Zealand, Australia, you know, parts of Western Europe, but possibly you know the UK struggling with this in a similar kind of way to Trump. Actually, so long way week, stay free to express ourselves.
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Speaker 3: In express It's pleased to see that what was he suing The New York Times for fifteen billion dollars because it wrote a couple of articles that weren't you know, he didn't like much. It's been thrown out, so at least the courts so far have manished, and it's been interesting to see what happens with this tariffs of course, but oh well, anyway.
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Speaker 2: How many more years ago them?
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Speaker 3: A couple too many probably, But anyway, hold your texts on the Trump derangements syndrome.
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Speaker 4: People.
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Speaker 3: You should be all defending people's rights to say. I mean, what's the famous quote, I may disagree with what you say about defend to the death, you're right to say it, et cetera. I can't remember who that was, but it's some famous person. Anyway. Ah, speaking of the restrictions you do have on certain speech, is you you're not free to defame people. And this story about Bridget Macron, the wife of French President Emmanuel Macron, where Candace Owens, who's been fanning this, it's just this bizarre conspiracy that Brigitte Macron was born male and she's banging on about it for ages, and now the Macrons are going to actually present scientific evidence and that way people who say are explaining is losing and all this sort of stuff. But they must have just had a guts full about about this. Luke and Candae ogns she must be.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what sort of is she?
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Speaker 3: Stupid? Bigoted, misinformed, ignorant e all of the above. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: She's no oil painting, but I mean she's had, she's had all.
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Speaker 3: You'll be canceled kind But are we talking about canvae?
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Speaker 2: No? Yeah, she's not all painting. But she said to kids, is she she? Why are we talking about this?
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Speaker 3: Well, it's because finally while they.
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Speaker 4: Are up it's one of those weird things where the dark side of the Internet kind of bubbles up to the surface. There was all there's a there's a sort of a conspiracy that runs around the edges of things that you know, the sort of that that there's a whole bunch of secret change transgender people that have been trying to take overy there. Well, there's similar theories about Justinder Dun and various other female leaders through COVID as well. It's quite mad, and I think I can say that, but it's I just feel for the macrons. I mean, what an awful thing to have to defend yourself against it. And really it is just an attempt to, you know, to again break the information machine. You know that here or here we are dealing with clear misinformation.
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Speaker 2: Defending it, why just just just get it away, move away, forget about it, put a bleak.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I sometimes do wonder, you know, when you see something that is so obviously nonsense. Yeah, and yet there is still a proportion of the population who cling to a certain belief. I mean, there's probably a whole lot of things I could say what should get me canceled just about. But it does amaze me at the human brain's capacity to to believe absolute bollocks. Yeah, and so you know what, I hope that they I hope that they win in a substantial award of damages that makes people think twice before they spread the sort of nonsense. They who's going to pay those damages? Well, that's I think candas zones are supposed to pay them. So just wait and see what happens on that one anyway, Hey, look we need to take a moment. We'll be bad. This is the panel on where the weekend collective. It is twenty two minutes to four news talks. He'd b yes, news talk zed be welcome back now. Actually now that there was something else on the political front, which was a strange sort of owned goal by a health news in which looks like they're going to reverse it was that the changes that were being made to they were planning on having changes to allow twenty four to seven access to patients were appropriate, which sounded I think it was a bit like happening the floodgates, that the awards were going to be having family members turn up all the time, and it turns out I think it's going to get reversed that. But it's funny. I wonder how these decisions end up getting made, because I've known plenty of people who've needed, you know, being in hospital or something serious and the staff there allows someone to look, you know, to be with them twenty four to seven. So I don't know why they had to come up with a specific policy which looked like anyone could was entitled to go and visiting any time. What do you what did you make of it?
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Speaker 2: Cahm.
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Speaker 4: Look, I think one of the more cynical views on this was actually it was about enabling family to be present more to actually help with the care of patients as well. Now that might sound really cynical, but we see this in mental health. You know that an underresourced mental health system will often actually put a lot of pressure on families to be able to support people when they actually need the support of professionals. And no criticism of the professionals, We're talking about a system that's really really heavily under resource. So my concern with this was Ga, what we're seeing here actually that they can't actually find or employer or afford enough healthcare assistant, so they're needing the family to come in and help with sort of basic cares.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you make of it?
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Speaker 2: Luke? I personally I'm on for visiting ours, you know, restricting them. And the reason is is one is pressure on the nurses and the healthcare. The second is you're there to rest up. You're there to actually just look at you know, get well, rather than talking to twenty far now with some KFC type situation. But I'm all about this heavy rest hea hours in and out, bang move on, rather than not twenty four seven, because I mean, you're not going to be there at two in the morning, are you.
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Speaker 4: And as you say to it, I mean, what the thing is if someone is you know, palliative, if they're at the end of their life, or there is you know, a clear reason why professionals have the ability to make discretion calls in those situations, and they do.
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Speaker 3: Actually, I mean I've had to visit people in hospital at various times, and There've been the odd time when I've turned up and I've been a little outside the hours and just say and I go up to reception and just say, look, I'm just here. I don't know if I can come and see such and such would that be okay? And they might phone up to the ward and there's always just a generally common sense, humor humane approach to it. Yes, of course, you know, come on up and you yeah.
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Speaker 4: I mean as opposed to just twenty people with a box of beers, it might be a different story.
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Speaker 3: Well, which you know, when you say twenty four to seven, I know they did say it was going to be subject to we're appropriate.
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Speaker 4: But the other thing is thinking about other patients. I mean, if you're in a room before, that's right, you know everyone but you as having visitors at ten o'clock and no, that's a bit rough.
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Speaker 2: Exactly can we borrow a couple of visitors please?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean some people are like twenty four to seven access to events at Eden Park anyway. Actually, I'm just by the way, I'm just going to address there's been a bunch of texts that come through. And it always happens when we discuss free speech issues and Trump and things like that, that people go, oh, listen to this bunch of lefties on such and such a panel, as if, as if an issue around free speech and Trump and all that sort of stuff is a right and left issue. I should point out that I'm I mean, people might disagree with us. I'm fairly I'm senter right. I guess Luke is to the right of Genghis Khan and Carl's to the left of I don't know who. But I just thought i'd mention it because this is the one thing the things that frustrates it's the tribal gets back to what we're talking about, the tribal nature of politics that if you say anything. You know, if Trump was to say that the sky was purple or something and you said, well, he's an idiot for because of course it's not. The people go oh no, you know you must be a real lefting and Trump drain for syndrome. It's like, no, I'm just interested in the facts.
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Speaker 4: So there is such a thing as fact still.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Fleets, Yes, sorry, I thought we misheard you for a second there. Luke tell you what. We will take a break and we'll be back in just a moment. It is quarter to four news Talk, said b Yes, welcome back to Paddel Car MacDonald and Luke Dello are my guests today. Hey guys, this thing about it's a bigger question around the whole self drive because Tesla's self driving technology has arrived in New Zealand and Australia and it's marking the first time that there's a right hand version of what's been launched across the globe. And so I guess just quickly, the question is would you trust a self drive car yourself? And what do you think? You know? You would you be comfortable with other people driving self drive cars? Would we trust those self drive cars more than we would with someone who's trying to drive their car and checking their email at the same time.
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Speaker 4: Car as someone who drives in Auckland. I think I probably trust some cars to drive themselves better than some of the people seem to drive the cars. But have you have You've driven a car, one of a really modern vehicle with all of the auto following and laying things, and it's like like you can just about take your hands off the wheel and it sort of drives itself. But I actually find it quite It takes quite a bit of getting used to because it feels like actually something else is happening that you're not quite in control of. So I actually imagine it'd be quite frightening to actually take your hands off the wedding that it drive itself, because it.
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Speaker 3: Seems it's intended to be used only with a fully intentive driver.
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Speaker 4: I mean, well, you only have to look cheap to see what people get up to with self drive cars in the US.
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Speaker 3: Really, have you been spending time what particular website? Is that car? Not safe for work?
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Speaker 2: Luke?
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Speaker 4: I'm talking you know, making cup of coffee, maybe a bit of knitting, sort of reading your book. Yeah, family friendly.
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Speaker 2: I'm all force, you know, all for it, because I mean, like you say, it's probably is safe with a lot of uber drivers out there on the road today. And my daughter actually jumped in a taxi in the States which had no driver and she said it was freaky for about two minutes and then she got the trust of it and boom, it was absolutely amazing. And yeah, so I think it's I think it's good. I mean, there's three hundred and sixty degree camera's on these things that looks out all the time. I mean, Mike, if I hit the white line of my cat, it comes over, it's right for it.
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Speaker 3: Actually, here's the thing. I think that there are certain roads in New Zealand that you can imagine it, you know, coping quite well down, you know, the Hamilton Auckland Expressway and all that going over the crime Ees. Not so sure about that with passing lands. I don't think i'd trust it with I wouldn't trust it at all, no matter how many times it demonstrated, because it only needs to make that one little mistake and that Kenworth truck coming around that corner there you find yourself in the wrong.
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Speaker 2: You know, maybe it just needs it On the motorway, you know, where it's safe as.
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Speaker 3: Any zeiling conditions. Maybe in certain contexts, but I don't know. It's a funny one, though, isn't it, Because imagine, just I'll make up a statistic. Imagine say we all had self drive cars, and it meant that the road toll was going to be at least halved, but that every death was going to be the fault of technology. There's something about that that people like to think, well, if there's going to be tragedy, at least it should be something that's sort of.
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Speaker 2: Organic control tragedy.
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Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, it's the idea that it would be suddenly just a case of oh bad, like your software didn't quite work out.
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Speaker 4: I related to that. I sort of wonder what the insurance implications are if your self drive car has an accident, Are you still culpable?
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Speaker 3: Depends on hold your self drive car is if it's under the age of fifteen, maybe, well it's all that stuff and it's going to get bonkers. So would I like a self drive car?
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Speaker 2: Would I push it?
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Speaker 3: I think the only time would be to get a friend to jump in with me and go, hey, check this out. No hands but then.
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Speaker 4: Still as it still do I c if you jump in after the night, because.
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Speaker 2: You've got to be controlled, because some of the Tisler's now quite nice.
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Speaker 4: If your car could just drive you home after you've had a couple of pints undred percent, how safe would that be? Be safe for the driving? That's sure?
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Speaker 3: Well, look we've really we've really come up with the answers to this very complex issue.
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Speaker 4: He'll be good for hospitality.
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Speaker 2: I'll be brilliant, Yeah, out of a fleet on them.
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Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, we I did mention just when somehow the streisand effect came up. And of course Robert Redford passed away in earlier this week, whose name won't mean a lot to some of the younger listeners and things, but actually got I always think sometimes when a famous star passes away, it's a it's a great opportunity to go and look at a few of his old films. But he was what was he Brad pit before Brad Pitt was Brad Pitt sort of thing? Wasn't he Kyle Well?
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Speaker 4: But also amazing legacy. I mean I was I was listening to a sort of a bit of a bio on on some on on a podcast I think actually about him, and it was you know, pointing out that when he when he won his first Oscar, he didn't sort of, you know, go off and seek the next big budget film. Actually he set up the Sundance Film Festival off the back of the plaudits, and I think, what an amazing thing. You know, I don't know how many years it's been going now, but most people have probably heard of it. An amazing gesture towards the industry.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and actually he did actually even comic because everyone, I mean Robert Redford's name was synonymous with the handsome man, and he said he actually found it was inhibiting because people, He found it harder for him to take it to be taken serious as an actor, because everyone just because he did some serious film films. He did the Watergate film which was All the President's Men, But of course Bruce Cassidy and the Sundance Kid is now on my playlist to bust that one out.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: He was a hunk of a spunk of a man. I mean seriously, he was a hung and the actresses who actually acted with him, they were like, you know, going wow, you know, I want a kissing scene with this guy. But you've got already think about what they do leave the legacy and you know the Sundance and I think this last movie was he was also in a modern move with the Avengers. The in game. Yeah, he was an Endgame now yeah, and that's pretty massive too. So he had a long acting career and I just tipped my head off to the guy. What a great.
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Speaker 3: Guy, actually, Mastermark. I didn't actually read. I'd forgotten that he had founded the sun Dance Film Festival, film Festival, which is I mean, as you're right, I mean he created something that's going to live on for a long time. What are the other movies? The other here's a bit of trivia. A Bridge too Far? He was on that mind you there every actor of their day was. I could never work out why they made a movie about when the good guys don't win, which is one of my Have you seen a Bridge Too Far? Spoiler alert?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, title really isn't it. So what are you coming up on the Nutts Club this weekend? There, Kyle, Ah, we have got a guest. It's momentarily slipped my mind. But tomorrow night reminder eleven pm to one am. Hamish Williams and myself. We'll be talking all things mental health for a couple of hours and regardless of whether we've got a guest or not, we welcome you calls and text, particularly if you've got any questions about mental health. So we'd love to hear from you.
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Speaker 2: Good stuff and and Gg's, Yeah, Gg's, we got one bait for it is on the menu at the moment, from all the way down from Bluff. Great little white baits get done. The question you may as white bait sort of an all what's the is there a season? There is a season to people still try and provide them because we can freeze food these days, of course, and it's bits to have freeze freshy frozen.
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Speaker 3: You could say, oh, nothing like a good white mate.
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Speaker 2: But the cheap way is just chatting up at a bit of fish and putting some black seesamy seeds and then making normally.
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Speaker 3: Or just pop along to Gg's, GGS or g.
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Speaker 2: G G not.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, Look, we will look forward to your company guys another time. Car McDonald and Luke Dallo cheers. Just looking ahead to the rest of the show. For the one roof radio show, We're going to be joined shortly by Debbie Roberts. She's from Property Apprentice, and it's going to be a we're going to have a look back, so we can also look forward about the property booms and who was responsible for them, And that was actually based on a bit of a talkback argument I had in the wee small hours of this of the Week Gone. But also looking also further forward to the parent Squad where we'll be joined by Google Sutherland and he's a chief psychologist start Unbro well being and a couple of things we're going to talk about, but the first one will be actually helping your kids navigate subject choices, because it is one of those things that my household has just suddenly hit that side of things. And then of course your daughter might only be fourteen years old or thirteen, or fourteen or fifteen, and they're asking you, you know, what subject do you need to do? Science? What do you do? And then all of a sudden, well, I don't know what I want to do with the rest of my life. And in fact, I actually remember that problem myself back in the day. So yes, we'll be looking forward to you calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We can text you can text also on nine to nine two For
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Speaker 3: B Yes, some time to introduce Ah. I was looking for metaphors. Are illustrious panelists, Let's say illustrious. Let's go with that he's well known to news Talk, said be audience as a guest on this panel and also as host of the Nutters Club. It's car McDonald. How are you going?
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Speaker 4: Sure, I'm well, thank you excellent?
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Speaker 2: You look well, you're looking.
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Speaker 3: In fact, we're all in T shirts today.
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Speaker 4: It's lovely day up here.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 5: That's that cusp of the season where you step outside and you go jersey. No, yes, maybe try the T shirt or I think I'm surviving and I think my next guest is only wearing a T shirt because he just managed to get dressed and in the door in time.
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Speaker 6: Hush, sorry, it's Luke Dalloo, prietor of Gg's.
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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, geez. I did a bead of interesting job today and my first das spring. He could say, I defrosted the freezer. Well done by accident, No, no, by choice, because I was thinking I have done it.
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Speaker 4: Finally surprising little treats.
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Speaker 2: Actually I won't tell you what it did find.
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Speaker 3: But yes, you ran into the building, didn't you? Because classes are still steamed up. He was running a bit late, I see. I think he left his phone or or clothes at home.
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Speaker 4: Or he's tied up for our topics to day tim.
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Speaker 3: Ready to go anyway, Hey, good, good to see you guys. Now I don't mind telling you. Oh actually, let's start with some positive news. And I've got an interesting observation on this as well. Just breck Baton Bouquet in away. But I thought it was amazing that New Zealand has won its first ever track gold medal at the World Champs, because World Champs have been of course, of Peter Snell was around during the World chance that they were round while Peter Snell was doing it wouldn't be our first. But Jeordy Beamish a great result in the three thousand meters steeplechase and then followed up by Hamish Ker with the gold medal. And I had a bet with one of our journalists that one news would not stick it at the top of the Sports a bulletin and I was right. It was second behind the netball and the rugby. So I don't know what that's all about, but amazing result.
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Speaker 2: Heh luke, what a great race that was because in the heat he actually tripped up too and.
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Speaker 3: Got a boot in the face.
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Speaker 2: I mean a boot, a light sort of spread shoe, a little scraping, a little scrapyd a little dust up, and yeah, I mean what he came he came through and won, and that's great news. Athletic athletics is great at the moment, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: Actually, did you get the sense that the guy who he beat it, I think he's Algerian and Moroccan and I couldn't quite remember, but he's a bit of a legend. He was sort of going for it down the strait and I think he thought he had it in the bag and Beamish just plows up and you can see him going, whoa, No, maybe he's second guessing he should have put the hammer on fans this morning. Oh okay, let's yeah, Well we can talk about that briefly. Anyway, you into the athletics at all.
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Speaker 4: I have Tom and I didn't watch either of the events life, but it did go back and look at them, so I know we won and it's amazing. And when you think about those sort of slow motion shots of you know, if John Walker winning gold and so on, like, yeah, let's get behind them. I mean, it's pretty phenomenal. And Hamish care is not. It's not just like he's just happened to win a gold. He's no best in the world by a country mile. I mean, got an Olympic gold indoor gold.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's the thing. To back up an Olympic gold. It's not just you know, you put one amazing performance and then everything felt a bit cee and the other one actually amazed me. There were no places, but we have three finalists in the women's pole vault this little country called New Zealand.
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Speaker 4: And two of them are from Takapuna.
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Speaker 1: Gramma.
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Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing?
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Speaker 4: I mean three?
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Speaker 3: There must be something special going on with the coaching for pole volt in New Zealand Athletics.
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Speaker 2: They're really stepping up, aren't they.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I think My favorite finish is. It's a bit like I love the moment when the Dutch four x four hundred, four x four hundred relay women's team in the Olympics where Femke Bowl won when she was about thirty meters behind with about one hundred and fifty meters to go. I love it when they come around the band and there's still a bit again and you just that's what Jordy Beamish did. It was remind me of that it's just moment.
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Speaker 4: It's such a pure sport, isn't it. I mean, like a team sport, like football or rugby. You know, there's a lot of coaching and technology and nutrition, but when it comes to a foot race, really is just the fastest person and that could be from anyone.
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Speaker 2: And that's your own race too. You've got to run your own race to win it.
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Speaker 3: What were your sports when you were young, Fellas?
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Speaker 2: I was a softball player, and a rugby player, and a tennis player.
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Speaker 3: Tennis, But what was your top sport? Are we just a fantastic at all of them?
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at all sports. I get medals all the time.
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Speaker 3: Do you ever play for your country?
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Speaker 2: No, I did not. I played for my county, l for my region. Oh that's pretty good. I was a Catholic school board champion.
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Speaker 3: Really not bad. That is pretty good.
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Speaker 2: I had a good serve and a good little.
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Speaker 3: Lob and relationship with the Lord to help you get over the line on that one.
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Speaker 4: What about you, Carl, Rugby? Mostly volleyball, quite liked volleyball.
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Speaker 3: Tall that was the volleyball.
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Speaker 4: Who did you play for tech a pinegram? It is junior level, But then I played rugby, played first fifteen for Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I did volleyball with Western Heights. Okay, we won the we were national champs. Actually he's Zeeland under eighteen team.
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Speaker 4: I've always been hopeless at anything, heading a ball with something hopeless. So yeah, it wasn't much of a summer sportsman.
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Speaker 3: I think we were. I think I know it's taroing of boys. That's right, Taro who were our rivals. God they had some good players as well. Anyway, it's nice to talk about some good positive stuff before the Look, I I'm no economist. The GDP drop, I must say, the economic news always sort of just sort of fudges around my brain a little bit, and I'm never really sure what context to put it in, because it's a great sport for politicians to play when one can blame another and who's done that? But I tend to think, without thinking of any particular era, that usually the Ministry of Finance is either beneficiary or the scapegoat of good or bad news, which largely are out of their control. Because but then again, is it a bad thing that Nicola Willis has been criticized by Roger Douglas Kyle.
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Speaker 4: What's certainly interesting isn't it a friendly fire? I look, I get a bit frustrated with this, just just purely from the point of view that, you know, the kinds of issues that turn up in my consulting room of people who are actually really struggling, often because of business difficulties, you know, in the stresses and strains of that. So, you know, I think what gets really annoying for most people are seeing the blame game, the back and forth of who's to blame, and you know, trying to analyze the numbers and treating it a bit like a sports contest. For actual it's quite a lot of pain out there, you know, and we know that people are struggling. The building industry is kind of wrecked.
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Speaker 2: Really.
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Speaker 4: It's certainly a great time to get a builder if you need one. But I'll be interested to hear what it's like on Fontbe Road. How's HOSPO looking.
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Speaker 2: Well, Hosbo's really tight at the moments. The titles I've seen it in probably twenty years unbelievable. Wow, And I've never I mean, I've been through the GFC, have been through a couple of stop you stop breaking drops and stuff like that, but this has got a long long tail, But I reckon Willis's I mean, she's tiny up the screws. And remember economics is a slow race too. You can't turn her around at a dime. But she is tinying up the screws. But the big question is she's focusing on the right stuff. I mean, I think test cuts were a big mistake from the government. That's clear.
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Speaker 4: We actually now we couldn't afford them, right man, and hindsight's twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, And I mean she's focusing on the Commerce Commission too, and should she be doing that? Where I see it as she should be focusing on getting the economy running well.
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Speaker 3: Of course, there's pressure on the Reserve Bank to drop interest rates, you know, a bit further than maybe had been anticipated now to get more cash into the economy. But I think I was at a gig where Tony Alexander was too. It was chatting about it and how he reckons that the Reserve Bank will always err on the side of being more cautious with interstraight drops. And I think he's right, because you know, when they pull the big levers sometimes, you know, you get a reaction to the other in the other direction. Which you really you know, we want to turn around, So I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I was a talk last week in the Craig of Vestpans and they reckon it's going to drop another percent by June next year.
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Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, that is a hang on.
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Speaker 4: I've got an idea. Why don't we just ride the back of a real estate boom, sell our houses to each other and get lots of foreign investment and then pretend like everything's fine. Let's work every other time.
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Speaker 2: We'll charge your houses at five million dollars each.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, why not? That sounds like you want to join me for the for the one roof radio show and you're going to stick around next hour? You just ride shotgun with She'd be like, who's this guy? Carly wanted to sit in with us? Well, just getting in my old age actually, because I was trying to actually, no, no, I'm not going to rob from the next hour because I could easily go down that that avenue right now. But look, I'm not surprised. I think it's a tough job, and I think, look, maybe there are there are things that people Chris Nicola was talked about cutting the public service, but that's not going to stimulate the economy. That's just saving the government's money. So everything's but I mean, she hasn't cut anything, but we've still got way more public servants than we had before labor added to them. So she's talked a big game in that respect, and I think that's what's probably hoisting her buying potat in some sort of way that she hasn't been as radical. But I'm not sure that Roger Douglas having a crack at you is necessarily the worst thing in the.
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Speaker 4: World, would wear it as a bad you'vonitim.
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Speaker 3: Possibly they would, and we could. That's another discussion for another time about anyway. M Look, look there is another thing. Listen. This is a tricky subject and it's a heavy one because the it's around court orders. And I'll mention why I think we should have a quick chat about this, but then move its sideways a bit. So the Tom Phillips case, there are suppression order is preventing media from sharing certain information and from conversations I've had with people who are not connected with the media, the Bush Telegraph is doing a huge job on spreading word against the wishes of the court. And okay, I mentioned that as the reason for it because I don't really want to go near the subject matter that we're not supposed to talk about. But I do wonder and look at it all the time. There have been cases over the last few years where the court suppress a certain information. But if there's a certain if there's a case that's out there that has a lot of public interest in it, I almost wonder if the court makes itself irrelevant. But I maybe not just simply saying, look, these are uncomfortable facts. But aren't we better to get trusted media outlets to put facts out there rather than the rumor, speculation and innuendo that we see constantly circling circulating around any major case of major public interest. What do you reckon, car?
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Speaker 4: I think it's important to come back to the end tension of suppression orders in general, which is to protect those who have been victimized by a crime in some fashion. So I mean to go sideways to a different example. If we think about sexual violence, which is an area that I do a lot of work in therapeutically, I think the important thing actually comes down to choice for the person who is being protected and recognizing that actually the safety of the victim is paramount. So there's been some recent changes, for instance, where a victim of a sexual abuse crime or sexual violence can choose to have their protection.
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Speaker 2: Lifted because the ration you couldn't could.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, because the rationale of name suppression is not to protect the person who is guilty, but to protect the victim. Right, So if the victim says, hey, I'm fine speaking publicly, then the suppression should be lifted. It's difficult if people are under age, because there's a duty of care to protect people. But I think that's the rationale. The problem is social media, right, and the ease of being information around.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I.
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Speaker 3: Think that's the challenge for the courts going ahead is when is when the cases and the Mara copy case in particular has been massive. I mean all the media outlets have been overwhelmed by the number of people clicking on stories and things. But I think that it almost there is a separate situation where they just have to consider maybe the safe dissemination of accurate information. Because I also think that the public and New Zealand would be very sympathetic to the kids and everything that's happened around that Phillips family.
00:14:29
Speaker 2: What do you reckon I think we need to protect the kids, for sure. But it raises a point of what's better idle gossip or just the plain facts. Knock it out, whip it out, get the playing facts out there, move on, rather than people talking talking, talking, extrapolating the truth X y Z where I mean. I mean, I'm hearing on the street. I hear in the restaurants, here at the bars, are here at the sushi shop, you know, and you know I hear it everywhere. But the thing is it should just just get it out, rip the bandage of move on.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a difficult one anyway.
00:15:04
Speaker 4: I thought it destroys in effect, isn't it.
00:15:05
Speaker 3: I mean, that's well, that's exactly it.
00:15:07
Speaker 4: You know that once you actually make something forbidden, it becomes more interesting. The case being Barbara Streisan trying to suppress something about herself. I can't tell you I wanted to know.
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Speaker 3: I can't tell you.
00:15:17
Speaker 4: You can't remember what it is.
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Speaker 3: I know no what it was. Literally, I don't know how many times I talk about this, because it came up again because Barbara Streisand was in the way we were with Robert Redford and who passed away last week. I think still I look at him and go, God, what a good looking guy he was. But no, the Straisand effect is there was a coastal survey, California coastal survey. People have listened to me on overnights, have heard me talk about this a few times. And there were fourteen thousand photos taken to document California's coastal erosion and everything. And so it just took a bunch of photos. And one of the photos seven eight five one three I think I even know the number was Barbara Streisand's house. And she didn't want that photo published. So it had been viewed fourteen times or no, what maybe it is even less than that. When she took the department to court to suppress it, to withdraw it, and as a result of her suing, in the month that followed, there were four hundred and forty thousand downloads of that image and then it just went nuts because and up till that point there are only fourteen, half of which were her legal team. But by the way, go and check it out on Wikipedia, because if there was ever a house I wanted, it would be Barbers Streisand house on the coast of California, of course it is gorgeous. There we go. That's a strides and effect everyone, Thank you very much, at no extra cost.
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Speaker 4: Thanks too much.
00:16:43
Speaker 3: Anyway, Hey tell you what We need to take a break. We kind of come back and have a bit of a chat about Eden Park and Nimby's and Chris Bishop and predetermined and all that sort of stuff for more events at Eden Park. We'll have a look at that in just a moment. It's twenty three past three. Yes, welcome back to our panel. Luke Dello and car McDonald are my guests today. And guys, the Eden Park restrictions are going to be reviewed, and Chris Bishop has basically said that the current restrictions are absurd and arbitrary, but he's also adamant his review will be fair to both sides. I'm not quite convinced because he's spoken out fairly clearly about how he said and one thing either ridiculous, they' absurd. We're going to get it cracking. We're going to do all this, but I need to follow a process statutorily, I'm going to be fair. I'm not sure both can be true. Luke, what do you think do you think that is going to be a fair review of should what events should be allowed, what increase It's.
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Speaker 2: Definitely not going to be a fair review. I think any Part is one of our most valuable assets and we need to use it to our potential because in the past it's made losses and the Augan Council or ratepayers have actually tipped more money into it to get it living again. So I just think we just need more concerts, more events, maybe triple it and give it a good crack. I mean, look, hey, no one's complaining about the art, are they.
00:18:08
Speaker 3: No? I don't think so, but why would they complain? Where is it? Is it?
00:18:11
Speaker 2: Actually?
00:18:11
Speaker 3: Is it inside?
00:18:12
Speaker 2: Though?
00:18:13
Speaker 3: So it's not.
00:18:13
Speaker 2: Actually I think it's on the field.
00:18:15
Speaker 3: Now I think it's inside, but I'm not sure. We're maybe a few sculptures probably incompatible, but a bit.
00:18:21
Speaker 4: Less yelling at a nut show, I would suggest.
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Speaker 2: What will you see a bit of that? Woo?
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Speaker 3: What do you reckon? Ki? Look?
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Speaker 4: I love Eden Park. I was a member with my dad from two thousand and four to twenty twenty. Has spent a lot of time watching watching the All Blacks, watching rugby, watching the Blues lose for about forty years in a row, and I just think what's been frustrating for me over the years is I was listening to, you know, the pie in the sky ideas of building another stadium, which frankly, we just don't have the money or resources in the country right now. We've got much higher priorities and spending billions on the stadium but not allowing Eden Park to actually make the money that it needs to make itself better. And so I'm all for the changes, you know, in particular very much looking forward to going and watching Metallica at full volume on a Wednesday night or just down the road from my house.
00:19:14
Speaker 3: You know, I was going to joke and say, you call yourself a Christian, but you probably don't.
00:19:18
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
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Speaker 3: That's not really love with that neighbor.
00:19:21
Speaker 4: But look, Eaton Park was there when you moved in.
00:19:23
Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 4: In two thousand and five, we bought a house in Western Springs, which was we could hear the speedway every time it started up. And this was a similar argument about the speedway, and I just thought, I'm not a speedway guy. It's a pain in the bum, especially when you've got a baby. But you know what, they're having fun. And we bought the house here knowing it was there.
00:19:42
Speaker 3: I think that there's that's a point. Up to a point, it's because when you move it was a rugby venue, a lot of people bought it. It was a rugby venue, there'd be mostly daytime matches, then it became nighttime, so an increasing a change in the use is something that I think you were entitled to have your views heard. And my only concern about it is the conversation has been genuinely so contemptuous towards those people who don't want too much of a change there that I think it's become a bit of a pylon. And I just I think it's worth just at least saying it is still a residential area. People are still entitled to some reasonable enjoyment of their peace and quiet. Up to a point, I think that you're right, it probably is ridiculous some of the restrictions on events. But I just think that some people are arguing basically their attitudes are that the residents can get stuffed, and I think they still have to find a reasonable way through. And here's the problem is that regardless of what happens with the decision, Chris Bishop is going to be up for a judicial review because he's expressed his personal thoughts way too strongly for anyone to think that there was ever going to be a fair process. You can call it a fair process, but when you say I've got to go through this process, it's a bit like I've got to write a few things down on paper even though I've made up my mind, and that's my I think he's made it. He's made a problem for himself, don't you think.
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Speaker 4: Carl Well, I mean, I do agree with what you're saying. There does need to be a process. I think the problem in the past is that the way in which the RMA has been able to be weaponized by people who object to things means that it isn't a process either. You can actually just block something.
00:21:13
Speaker 2: And why doesn't need to have a process.
00:21:17
Speaker 4: At a democracy?
00:21:18
Speaker 2: I know it's a democracy. Why it's the I mean, why why does that? Why can't they aunt concert of tool can go into the end say look and put a resource concent.
00:21:27
Speaker 3: Well, okay, here's a process. By that you'd say, let's have a concert that starts at one am. Well, if you don't have a process, then you just do what you want. I agree, Yes, Oh, I won another victory at Eden Park.
00:21:43
Speaker 4: Undefeated.
00:21:45
Speaker 3: Anyway, moving on to the freedom of speech thing Jimmy Kimmel. Now that look the events in the UK where Jimmy Kimmel was pulled off air, and definitely after comments he made about the shooting of Charlie Kirk, which actually wasn't so much. It wasn't actually about Charlie Kirk himself. It was just about him saying that that the right wing was trying to, you know, do it all it could to make sure it distanced him from the MAGA movement, which didn't seem he was part of. And yet and then there was a threat from I think one of the commissioners around the ABC and all that, and all of a sudden, Jimmy Kimmel has been pulled off here. And I do think that America has got some big problems Kyle, when it comes to the partisanship determining issues, not on whether the issue should be decided a certain way because of simple principles and philosophy and moral value, but just on whose side you're on.
00:22:41
Speaker 4: Oh well, not even that, just down to the whims of the great leader. I mean, it's actually quite terrifying to me. You know, I sometimes struggle with where that line is for free speech. But I think the point is that we struggle with it, not that we make an autocratic decision about who gets to say what on television. I mean the idea of you know, it's ludicrous to even say it, actually, but the idea of Christopher Laxen deciding that newstalksz B can't he a particular point of view in this country would just be so outrageous to people with That's effectively what has happened in the un It's.
00:23:10
Speaker 3: Effectively like him saying he's going to have a chat with the I'm not sure what body it is decides who has what frequencies about pulling our access to certain frequencies.
00:23:18
Speaker 2: Were rend us, we would all be.
00:23:20
Speaker 3: Outraged, I think, regardless of whether you love or hate the station.
00:23:23
Speaker 4: And actually comedy has a huge part to play in the media and you know, satirizing power, and it's no surprise that they're going after them effectively first with the Tonight Show. And I hope John Stewart stays on here. That's all I'm going to say.
00:23:36
Speaker 2: Yes, did you see the video after he said that about Trump being interviewed Trump, and Trump go, you know, what do you think about the xboy ZN And Trump goes, Oh, I'm very sad about it, but look at my construction over here. Oh exactly.
00:23:46
Speaker 3: I mean we was asked about the death of Charlie Kirk conscience and he literally just went, oh yeah, And by the way, I've got something else I want to talk about.
00:23:53
Speaker 2: But I think freedom of speech is getting worse. Actually, I think even talking publicly about your opinion, you're either going to hated take it all Facebook, you know, or discrutinized. But why can't you have an opinion? Can't you have an opinion? I mean it creates discussion, it opens up ideas and engages people. And I just feel that you've got to watch what you say to some people. And I'm just talking publicly here, yeah, because you just have this oh I don't.
00:24:20
Speaker 3: Like cancel culture and yeah. Look, I don't think we've got the same problems here quite that they have in America.
00:24:30
Speaker 4: I think we're we're doing pretty well on the old freedom side.
00:24:32
Speaker 3: Tim.
00:24:33
Speaker 4: I think we're you know, when you look around the world and New Zealand, Australia, you know, parts of Western Europe, but possibly you know the UK struggling with this in a similar kind of way to Trump. Actually, so long way week, stay free to express ourselves.
00:24:47
Speaker 3: In express It's pleased to see that what was he suing The New York Times for fifteen billion dollars because it wrote a couple of articles that weren't you know, he didn't like much. It's been thrown out, so at least the courts so far have manished, and it's been interesting to see what happens with this tariffs of course, but oh well, anyway.
00:25:04
Speaker 2: How many more years ago them?
00:25:05
Speaker 3: A couple too many probably, But anyway, hold your texts on the Trump derangements syndrome.
00:25:11
Speaker 4: People.
00:25:11
Speaker 3: You should be all defending people's rights to say. I mean, what's the famous quote, I may disagree with what you say about defend to the death, you're right to say it, et cetera. I can't remember who that was, but it's some famous person. Anyway. Ah, speaking of the restrictions you do have on certain speech, is you you're not free to defame people. And this story about Bridget Macron, the wife of French President Emmanuel Macron, where Candace Owens, who's been fanning this, it's just this bizarre conspiracy that Brigitte Macron was born male and she's banging on about it for ages, and now the Macrons are going to actually present scientific evidence and that way people who say are explaining is losing and all this sort of stuff. But they must have just had a guts full about about this. Luke and Candae ogns she must be.
00:26:05
Speaker 2: I mean, what sort of is she?
00:26:08
Speaker 3: Stupid? Bigoted, misinformed, ignorant e all of the above. I don't know.
00:26:15
Speaker 2: She's no oil painting, but I mean she's had, she's had all.
00:26:20
Speaker 3: You'll be canceled kind But are we talking about canvae?
00:26:24
Speaker 2: No? Yeah, she's not all painting. But she said to kids, is she she? Why are we talking about this?
00:26:36
Speaker 3: Well, it's because finally while they.
00:26:40
Speaker 4: Are up it's one of those weird things where the dark side of the Internet kind of bubbles up to the surface. There was all there's a there's a sort of a conspiracy that runs around the edges of things that you know, the sort of that that there's a whole bunch of secret change transgender people that have been trying to take overy there. Well, there's similar theories about Justinder Dun and various other female leaders through COVID as well. It's quite mad, and I think I can say that, but it's I just feel for the macrons. I mean, what an awful thing to have to defend yourself against it. And really it is just an attempt to, you know, to again break the information machine. You know that here or here we are dealing with clear misinformation.
00:27:19
Speaker 2: Defending it, why just just just get it away, move away, forget about it, put a bleak.
00:27:23
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I sometimes do wonder, you know, when you see something that is so obviously nonsense. Yeah, and yet there is still a proportion of the population who cling to a certain belief. I mean, there's probably a whole lot of things I could say what should get me canceled just about. But it does amaze me at the human brain's capacity to to believe absolute bollocks. Yeah, and so you know what, I hope that they I hope that they win in a substantial award of damages that makes people think twice before they spread the sort of nonsense. They who's going to pay those damages? Well, that's I think candas zones are supposed to pay them. So just wait and see what happens on that one anyway, Hey, look we need to take a moment. We'll be bad. This is the panel on where the weekend collective. It is twenty two minutes to four news talks. He'd b yes, news talk zed be welcome back now. Actually now that there was something else on the political front, which was a strange sort of owned goal by a health news in which looks like they're going to reverse it was that the changes that were being made to they were planning on having changes to allow twenty four to seven access to patients were appropriate, which sounded I think it was a bit like happening the floodgates, that the awards were going to be having family members turn up all the time, and it turns out I think it's going to get reversed that. But it's funny. I wonder how these decisions end up getting made, because I've known plenty of people who've needed, you know, being in hospital or something serious and the staff there allows someone to look, you know, to be with them twenty four to seven. So I don't know why they had to come up with a specific policy which looked like anyone could was entitled to go and visiting any time. What do you what did you make of it?
00:29:02
Speaker 2: Cahm.
00:29:03
Speaker 4: Look, I think one of the more cynical views on this was actually it was about enabling family to be present more to actually help with the care of patients as well. Now that might sound really cynical, but we see this in mental health. You know that an underresourced mental health system will often actually put a lot of pressure on families to be able to support people when they actually need the support of professionals. And no criticism of the professionals, We're talking about a system that's really really heavily under resource. So my concern with this was Ga, what we're seeing here actually that they can't actually find or employer or afford enough healthcare assistant, so they're needing the family to come in and help with sort of basic cares.
00:29:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you make of it?
00:29:41
Speaker 2: Luke? I personally I'm on for visiting ours, you know, restricting them. And the reason is is one is pressure on the nurses and the healthcare. The second is you're there to rest up. You're there to actually just look at you know, get well, rather than talking to twenty far now with some KFC type situation. But I'm all about this heavy rest hea hours in and out, bang move on, rather than not twenty four seven, because I mean, you're not going to be there at two in the morning, are you.
00:30:11
Speaker 4: And as you say to it, I mean, what the thing is if someone is you know, palliative, if they're at the end of their life, or there is you know, a clear reason why professionals have the ability to make discretion calls in those situations, and they do.
00:30:22
Speaker 3: Actually, I mean I've had to visit people in hospital at various times, and There've been the odd time when I've turned up and I've been a little outside the hours and just say and I go up to reception and just say, look, I'm just here. I don't know if I can come and see such and such would that be okay? And they might phone up to the ward and there's always just a generally common sense, humor humane approach to it. Yes, of course, you know, come on up and you yeah.
00:30:44
Speaker 4: I mean as opposed to just twenty people with a box of beers, it might be a different story.
00:30:48
Speaker 3: Well, which you know, when you say twenty four to seven, I know they did say it was going to be subject to we're appropriate.
00:30:54
Speaker 4: But the other thing is thinking about other patients. I mean, if you're in a room before, that's right, you know everyone but you as having visitors at ten o'clock and no, that's a bit rough.
00:31:03
Speaker 2: Exactly can we borrow a couple of visitors please?
00:31:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean some people are like twenty four to seven access to events at Eden Park anyway. Actually, I'm just by the way, I'm just going to address there's been a bunch of texts that come through. And it always happens when we discuss free speech issues and Trump and things like that, that people go, oh, listen to this bunch of lefties on such and such a panel, as if, as if an issue around free speech and Trump and all that sort of stuff is a right and left issue. I should point out that I'm I mean, people might disagree with us. I'm fairly I'm senter right. I guess Luke is to the right of Genghis Khan and Carl's to the left of I don't know who. But I just thought i'd mention it because this is the one thing the things that frustrates it's the tribal gets back to what we're talking about, the tribal nature of politics that if you say anything. You know, if Trump was to say that the sky was purple or something and you said, well, he's an idiot for because of course it's not. The people go oh no, you know you must be a real lefting and Trump drain for syndrome. It's like, no, I'm just interested in the facts.
00:32:12
Speaker 4: So there is such a thing as fact still.
00:32:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fleets, Yes, sorry, I thought we misheard you for a second there. Luke tell you what. We will take a break and we'll be back in just a moment. It is quarter to four news Talk, said b Yes, welcome back to Paddel Car MacDonald and Luke Dello are my guests today. Hey guys, this thing about it's a bigger question around the whole self drive because Tesla's self driving technology has arrived in New Zealand and Australia and it's marking the first time that there's a right hand version of what's been launched across the globe. And so I guess just quickly, the question is would you trust a self drive car yourself? And what do you think? You know? You would you be comfortable with other people driving self drive cars? Would we trust those self drive cars more than we would with someone who's trying to drive their car and checking their email at the same time.
00:33:07
Speaker 4: Car as someone who drives in Auckland. I think I probably trust some cars to drive themselves better than some of the people seem to drive the cars. But have you have You've driven a car, one of a really modern vehicle with all of the auto following and laying things, and it's like like you can just about take your hands off the wheel and it sort of drives itself. But I actually find it quite It takes quite a bit of getting used to because it feels like actually something else is happening that you're not quite in control of. So I actually imagine it'd be quite frightening to actually take your hands off the wedding that it drive itself, because it.
00:33:38
Speaker 3: Seems it's intended to be used only with a fully intentive driver.
00:33:42
Speaker 4: I mean, well, you only have to look cheap to see what people get up to with self drive cars in the US.
00:33:47
Speaker 3: Really, have you been spending time what particular website? Is that car? Not safe for work?
00:33:54
Speaker 2: Luke?
00:33:56
Speaker 4: I'm talking you know, making cup of coffee, maybe a bit of knitting, sort of reading your book. Yeah, family friendly.
00:34:04
Speaker 2: I'm all force, you know, all for it, because I mean, like you say, it's probably is safe with a lot of uber drivers out there on the road today. And my daughter actually jumped in a taxi in the States which had no driver and she said it was freaky for about two minutes and then she got the trust of it and boom, it was absolutely amazing. And yeah, so I think it's I think it's good. I mean, there's three hundred and sixty degree camera's on these things that looks out all the time. I mean, Mike, if I hit the white line of my cat, it comes over, it's right for it.
00:34:37
Speaker 3: Actually, here's the thing. I think that there are certain roads in New Zealand that you can imagine it, you know, coping quite well down, you know, the Hamilton Auckland Expressway and all that going over the crime Ees. Not so sure about that with passing lands. I don't think i'd trust it with I wouldn't trust it at all, no matter how many times it demonstrated, because it only needs to make that one little mistake and that Kenworth truck coming around that corner there you find yourself in the wrong.
00:35:03
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it just needs it On the motorway, you know, where it's safe as.
00:35:06
Speaker 3: Any zeiling conditions. Maybe in certain contexts, but I don't know. It's a funny one, though, isn't it, Because imagine, just I'll make up a statistic. Imagine say we all had self drive cars, and it meant that the road toll was going to be at least halved, but that every death was going to be the fault of technology. There's something about that that people like to think, well, if there's going to be tragedy, at least it should be something that's sort of.
00:35:31
Speaker 2: Organic control tragedy.
00:35:33
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, it's the idea that it would be suddenly just a case of oh bad, like your software didn't quite work out.
00:35:40
Speaker 4: I related to that. I sort of wonder what the insurance implications are if your self drive car has an accident, Are you still culpable?
00:35:48
Speaker 3: Depends on hold your self drive car is if it's under the age of fifteen, maybe, well it's all that stuff and it's going to get bonkers. So would I like a self drive car?
00:35:58
Speaker 2: Would I push it?
00:35:59
Speaker 3: I think the only time would be to get a friend to jump in with me and go, hey, check this out. No hands but then.
00:36:04
Speaker 4: Still as it still do I c if you jump in after the night, because.
00:36:07
Speaker 2: You've got to be controlled, because some of the Tisler's now quite nice.
00:36:10
Speaker 4: If your car could just drive you home after you've had a couple of pints undred percent, how safe would that be? Be safe for the driving? That's sure?
00:36:18
Speaker 3: Well, look we've really we've really come up with the answers to this very complex issue.
00:36:23
Speaker 4: He'll be good for hospitality.
00:36:24
Speaker 2: I'll be brilliant, Yeah, out of a fleet on them.
00:36:27
Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, we I did mention just when somehow the streisand effect came up. And of course Robert Redford passed away in earlier this week, whose name won't mean a lot to some of the younger listeners and things, but actually got I always think sometimes when a famous star passes away, it's a it's a great opportunity to go and look at a few of his old films. But he was what was he Brad pit before Brad Pitt was Brad Pitt sort of thing? Wasn't he Kyle Well?
00:36:50
Speaker 4: But also amazing legacy. I mean I was I was listening to a sort of a bit of a bio on on some on on a podcast I think actually about him, and it was you know, pointing out that when he when he won his first Oscar, he didn't sort of, you know, go off and seek the next big budget film. Actually he set up the Sundance Film Festival off the back of the plaudits, and I think, what an amazing thing. You know, I don't know how many years it's been going now, but most people have probably heard of it. An amazing gesture towards the industry.
00:37:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, and actually he did actually even comic because everyone, I mean Robert Redford's name was synonymous with the handsome man, and he said he actually found it was inhibiting because people, He found it harder for him to take it to be taken serious as an actor, because everyone just because he did some serious film films. He did the Watergate film which was All the President's Men, But of course Bruce Cassidy and the Sundance Kid is now on my playlist to bust that one out.
00:37:40
Speaker 6: Well.
00:37:41
Speaker 2: He was a hunk of a spunk of a man. I mean seriously, he was a hung and the actresses who actually acted with him, they were like, you know, going wow, you know, I want a kissing scene with this guy. But you've got already think about what they do leave the legacy and you know the Sundance and I think this last movie was he was also in a modern move with the Avengers. The in game. Yeah, he was an Endgame now yeah, and that's pretty massive too. So he had a long acting career and I just tipped my head off to the guy. What a great.
00:38:09
Speaker 3: Guy, actually, Mastermark. I didn't actually read. I'd forgotten that he had founded the sun Dance Film Festival, film Festival, which is I mean, as you're right, I mean he created something that's going to live on for a long time. What are the other movies? The other here's a bit of trivia. A Bridge too Far? He was on that mind you there every actor of their day was. I could never work out why they made a movie about when the good guys don't win, which is one of my Have you seen a Bridge Too Far? Spoiler alert?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, title really isn't it. So what are you coming up on the Nutts Club this weekend? There, Kyle, Ah, we have got a guest. It's momentarily slipped my mind. But tomorrow night reminder eleven pm to one am. Hamish Williams and myself. We'll be talking all things mental health for a couple of hours and regardless of whether we've got a guest or not, we welcome you calls and text, particularly if you've got any questions about mental health. So we'd love to hear from you.
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Speaker 2: Good stuff and and Gg's, Yeah, Gg's, we got one bait for it is on the menu at the moment, from all the way down from Bluff. Great little white baits get done. The question you may as white bait sort of an all what's the is there a season? There is a season to people still try and provide them because we can freeze food these days, of course, and it's bits to have freeze freshy frozen.
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Speaker 3: You could say, oh, nothing like a good white mate.
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Speaker 2: But the cheap way is just chatting up at a bit of fish and putting some black seesamy seeds and then making normally.
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Speaker 3: Or just pop along to Gg's, GGS or g.
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Speaker 2: G G not.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, Look, we will look forward to your company guys another time. Car McDonald and Luke Dallo cheers. Just looking ahead to the rest of the show. For the one roof radio show, We're going to be joined shortly by Debbie Roberts. She's from Property Apprentice, and it's going to be a we're going to have a look back, so we can also look forward about the property booms and who was responsible for them, And that was actually based on a bit of a talkback argument I had in the wee small hours of this of the Week Gone. But also looking also further forward to the parent Squad where we'll be joined by Google Sutherland and he's a chief psychologist start Unbro well being and a couple of things we're going to talk about, but the first one will be actually helping your kids navigate subject choices, because it is one of those things that my household has just suddenly hit that side of things. And then of course your daughter might only be fourteen years old or thirteen, or fourteen or fifteen, and they're asking you, you know, what subject do you need to do? Science? What do you do? And then all of a sudden, well, I don't know what I want to do with the rest of my life. And in fact, I actually remember that problem myself back in the day. So yes, we'll be looking forward to you calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We can text you can text also on nine to nine two For
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