1
00:00:00,000 -->
00:00:02,640
right we're gonna start talking about Canada someone's now let's talk about
2
00:00:02,640 -->
00:00:08,240
this guy you've probably never heard of his name's Robert Hill jr. from Orem you
3
00:00:08,240 -->
00:00:14,280
got Utah according to his lawyers he's a former data scientist in a Mormon
4
00:00:14,280 -->
00:00:18,120
missionary he was trying to build a quiet life but a year ago in September
5
00:00:18,120 -->
00:00:21,920
10th he went with his friends to hear Charlie Kirk speak at Utah Valley
6
00:00:21,920 -->
00:00:27,320
University then Kirk was shot and hilled fled with the crowd now he's filing a
7
00:00:27,320 -->
00:00:30,560
federal lawsuit against one of the biggest voices on the right Canis Owens
8
00:00:30,560 -->
00:00:37,480
it says she pointed her audience at his face now the same week a viral hit piece
9
00:00:37,480 -->
00:00:42,560
went after Owens herself accusing her of sapphic erotica and this of course
10
00:00:42,560 -->
00:00:47,040
raises the same question from the other side what do you owe a person before you
11
00:00:47,040 -->
00:00:52,760
aim a crowd at them and try and destroy their lives let's start with a man
12
00:00:52,760 -->
00:00:56,920
himself in these stories the private person usually will disappear behind the
13
00:00:56,920 -->
00:01:00,360
celebrity but let's talk about this hilled character according to the
14
00:01:00,360 -->
00:01:04,720
complaint that his lawyers filed on September 28th a couple days ago in
15
00:01:04,720 -->
00:01:09,460
federal court Robert hilled went to the Kirk event with friends and fled after
16
00:01:09,460 -->
00:01:14,240
the shooting days later he walked with a friend past the stairwell where the
17
00:01:14,240 -->
00:01:19,760
suspect Tyler Robinson had been seen the friend posted photos of without asking
18
00:01:19,760 -->
00:01:23,120
him and then of course the internet did what it does and speculated rampo
19
00:01:23,120 -->
00:01:27,680
rampantly according to the suit so this is how the guy who went to a campus
20
00:01:27,680 -->
00:01:31,680
event ended up in the middle of this murder conspiracy theory so Owens is not
21
00:01:31,680 -->
00:01:37,300
answering any of this stuff publicly it went but this is about as far as it as I
22
00:01:37,300 -->
00:01:40,560
could find so here's what the lawsuit says that Candace Owens did the
23
00:01:40,560 -->
00:01:47,520
complaint alleges that on September 29th 2025 episode she said they're lying
24
00:01:47,520 -->
00:01:53,100
about Tyler Robinson she suggested that hilled resembled FBI photos of the
25
00:01:53,100 -->
00:01:58,320
suspect and the graphic reportedly put his photo next to Benjamin Netanyahu over
26
00:01:58,320 -->
00:02:03,920
the words pretty little little liars which is of course Candace's mo now the
27
00:02:03,920 -->
00:02:09,000
suit says that she suggested that he had ties to foreign actors and a whole
28
00:02:09,000 -->
00:02:14,000
underground network and they used an alias it says that she even suggested
29
00:02:14,000 -->
00:02:19,080
that he had a link to a Ukrainian military group with neo-nazi ties the
30
00:02:19,080 -->
00:02:23,440
Azov battalion so these are the allegations nobody's proven any of those
31
00:02:23,440 -->
00:02:28,680
allegations but if a talk show host pairs your face with Netanyahu then you've had
32
00:02:28,680 -->
00:02:32,720
a worse day than I have so but here's the consequences because this is what a
33
00:02:32,720 -->
00:02:37,440
jury is gonna care about in this case the complaint says followers posted the
34
00:02:37,440 -->
00:02:43,000
names and addresses of not only Hill but of his entire family his home and his
35
00:02:43,000 -->
00:02:47,280
car were vandalized and police advised him and his roommates not to stay at his
36
00:02:47,280 -->
00:02:52,280
own house it alleges threats were made stalking doxing by Candace Owens fans
37
00:02:52,280 -->
00:02:57,840
and these are the claims in the lawsuits okay but online crowds like this we've
38
00:02:57,840 -->
00:03:01,020
seen this happen before when a creator with more than 5 million YouTube
39
00:03:01,020 -->
00:03:05,680
subscribers says a name the audience doesn't check citations they're checking
40
00:03:05,680 -->
00:03:10,400
Google Maps the complaint is pretty aggressive about the motive to it says
41
00:03:10,400 -->
00:03:15,440
that Owens neither cares about the truth nor the harm that her lies due to her
42
00:03:15,440 -->
00:03:21,280
targets and that her sole concern is clicks likes and reposts the pad her
43
00:03:21,280 -->
00:03:26,280
wallet these are the plaintiffs words not mine Owens defenders will say of
44
00:03:26,280 -->
00:03:29,200
course a commenter has a right to question official stories and that's
45
00:03:29,200 -->
00:03:33,320
fair but there is a big doubt difference between doubting the government and then
46
00:03:33,320 -->
00:03:37,020
pointing at a stranger and everybody finding out where they live and just
47
00:03:37,020 -->
00:03:41,200
vandalizing them and destroying their property okay I love a good skeptic but
48
00:03:41,200 -->
00:03:48,120
a skeptic with a mailing list is basically weaponized stalking right and
49
00:03:48,120 -->
00:03:52,180
this is not the her first lawsuit over these theories Brian Harpole who's the
50
00:03:52,180 -->
00:03:55,680
founder of integrity security solutions and Kirk's private security chief also
51
00:03:55,680 -->
00:04:00,320
sued Owens and Nashville federal court in April he alleges that she portrayed
52
00:04:00,320 -->
00:04:03,960
him as part of a plot including the claimed secret meeting at Fort
53
00:04:03,960 -->
00:04:08,840
Huachica in Arizona Harpole says that he was in Dallas he's never even been to
54
00:04:08,840 -->
00:04:13,920
that base and law enforcement has never accused him of anything Owens lawyers
55
00:04:13,920 -->
00:04:17,320
says that it's opinion and it's hyperbole now both sides are gonna get
56
00:04:17,320 -->
00:04:21,760
talked about that in court which is more than the doxt family is gonna get now
57
00:04:21,760 -->
00:04:26,260
Owens legal defense in this case is worth understanding so let's get the
58
00:04:26,260 -->
00:04:30,920
facts straight her lawyers argue her comments about Harpole things like the
59
00:04:30,920 -->
00:04:36,520
vibe I'm getting were opinion they argue that he's a limited-purpose public figure
60
00:04:36,520 -->
00:04:41,080
because he went on the Sean Ryan show in November of 2025 and then she named him
61
00:04:41,080 -->
00:04:46,680
the next day and so that matters because public figures have to prove actual
62
00:04:46,680 -->
00:04:52,960
malice they also invoked Tennessee's anti-slap law which can force a losing
63
00:04:52,960 -->
00:04:58,320
plaintiff to pay fees now there is no ruling on that yet we're still waiting
64
00:04:58,320 -->
00:05:02,720
on the outcome of that one her strongest argument is the one that I actually find
65
00:05:02,720 -->
00:05:08,240
the most interesting was the question really a claim note the title of this
66
00:05:08,240 -->
00:05:12,520
live stream that you're watching right now but here's the law in New York Times
67
00:05:12,520 -->
00:05:17,120
versus Sullivan in 1964 the Supreme Court held that public officials must
68
00:05:17,120 -->
00:05:22,680
approve actual malice meaning that the speaker knew that the statement was false
69
00:05:22,680 -->
00:05:28,240
or recklessly disregarded the truth plaintiff was LB Sullivan a Montgomery
70
00:05:28,240 -->
00:05:32,960
Alabama City Commissioner who sued over a civil rights ad now in Gertz versus
71
00:05:32,960 -->
00:05:38,400
Robert Welch in 1974 the court said that private individuals get more protections
72
00:05:38,400 -->
00:05:42,360
which is interesting in this second case the plaintiff there was the was a lawyer
73
00:05:42,360 -->
00:05:48,600
John Birch Society magazine had called a Leninist so Hill's status matters if
74
00:05:48,600 -->
00:05:55,000
he's private he can win with less proof if he's public the bar is far higher I
75
00:05:55,000 -->
00:05:59,840
mean he looks private to me but that is a judge that's gonna decide that one if
76
00:05:59,840 -->
00:06:04,960
he had gone on the Sean Ryan show or done interviews you know if he had a ton
77
00:06:04,960 -->
00:06:10,320
of followers on social media account that would be grounds to say that he's
78
00:06:10,320 -->
00:06:15,960
public but this guy's been pretty private to to be honest so in that
79
00:06:15,960 -->
00:06:20,280
scenario I'm guessing that this guy is gonna have a very strong suit against
80
00:06:20,280 -->
00:06:26,920
Candace Owens okay that's the facts now the question of questions Owens brand
81
00:06:26,920 -->
00:06:32,080
and honestly the brand have half of internet commentary is just just asking
82
00:06:32,080 -->
00:06:37,980
questions but legally a question can still be defamatory if a reasonable
83
00:06:37,980 -->
00:06:42,720
listener takes it as an implied statement of fact the inference has to be
84
00:06:42,720 -->
00:06:46,680
reasonable not merely possible so the test is not whether she used a
85
00:06:46,680 -->
00:06:51,280
question mark it is what a normal viewer walked away believing so a cartoon of
86
00:06:51,280 -->
00:06:55,740
your face beside Netanyahu's over pretty little liars is probably not a
87
00:06:55,740 -->
00:06:58,560
Socratic dialogue but I would love to hear how the jury is going to be
88
00:06:58,560 -->
00:07:03,040
instructed on this one but then there's the other Candace story this is the
89
00:07:03,040 -->
00:07:07,800
viral attack piece from Jeffrey at a vein he calls himself an investigative
90
00:07:07,800 -->
00:07:12,780
researcher and a digital forensics expert now these concern her private
91
00:07:12,780 -->
00:07:18,880
dating history and they rest on usernames emails and leaked databases
92
00:07:18,880 -->
00:07:23,880
from hacked sites none of this has been authenticated ibtimes.com noted that a
93
00:07:23,880 -->
00:07:27,440
username or IP match does not prove who used an account and that even a genuine
94
00:07:27,440 -->
00:07:33,040
account would not prove what he claims about her sapphism allegedly Owens has
95
00:07:33,040 -->
00:07:36,560
denied this calling the most deranged thing ever invented about her but the
96
00:07:36,560 -->
00:07:41,080
reason why some people believe it's true is because of well things like what Milo
97
00:07:41,080 -->
00:07:52,520
Yiannopoulos said before he deleted it you know if I was Candace I mean Nick
98
00:07:52,520 -->
00:07:57,200
Fuentes coming back on Twitter is an annoyance an irritant for most people
99
00:07:57,200 -->
00:08:01,000
that's an itch they want to scratch but Milo coming back is a bit of a problem
100
00:08:01,000 -->
00:08:06,680
in fact it might be a big fucking problem because I made most of these
101
00:08:06,680 -->
00:08:12,580
guys these confirmative influences I created them I know where the bodies are
102
00:08:12,580 -->
00:08:18,920
buried I know their secrets I know what they do in the dark I know who they fuck
103
00:08:18,920 -->
00:08:24,600
I don't drugs they take and in most cases I got the pictures and the video
104
00:08:24,600 -->
00:08:32,680
nickel so if I was Candace Owens I know I think I'd be treading pretty fucking
105
00:08:32,680 -->
00:08:44,080
lightly right about now pretty lightly tiptoes little cartoon tiptoes that's
106
00:08:44,080 -->
00:08:49,120
how I'd be treading right about now that of course was attached to a tweet that
107
00:08:49,120 -->
00:08:53,800
Milo posted in 2024 saying guess what you can hate what the state of Israel
108
00:08:53,800 -->
00:08:58,880
does and you can hate this retarded dark-skinned dyke and her gay husband at
109
00:08:58,880 -->
00:09:04,160
the same time glad I could help that was Milo's words not mine
110
00:09:09,480 -->
00:09:17,400
now this piece that alleges the sasm of Candace Owens is an interesting mirror
111
00:09:17,400 -->
00:09:21,400
because it attaches a giant bounty a hundred thousand dollars to anyone who
112
00:09:21,400 -->
00:09:26,640
can debunk it which flips the burden of proof and that is how conspiracy content
113
00:09:26,640 -->
00:09:31,640
works because you cannot prove a negative so the absence of a rebuttal
114
00:09:31,640 -->
00:09:37,160
comes becomes evidence Owen says that a photo on one profile is her with her aunt
115
00:09:37,160 -->
00:09:43,040
and her uncle at a 2015 birthday dinner now maybe you can't I cannot verify this
116
00:09:43,040 -->
00:09:47,360
right this is a style that the internet constantly trades in and this piece
117
00:09:47,360 -->
00:09:51,640
borrows it nobody wins a game where the rules are guilty until posted now the
118
00:09:51,640 -->
00:09:56,360
power question which people skip of course is Owens problem that she asks
119
00:09:56,360 -->
00:10:01,120
about power or that she is powerful right so she wants work from turning
120
00:10:01,120 -->
00:10:07,000
point from 2017 to 2019 after Charlie Kirk's death she promoted unproven
121
00:10:07,000 -->
00:10:12,160
theories about the killing of Charlie Kirk involving Israel France and Egypt
122
00:10:12,160 -->
00:10:17,560
Erica Kirk Charlie's widow said at a televised town hall to stop in December
123
00:10:17,560 -->
00:10:20,920
of 2025 they met for four and a half hours in Nashville both called it
124
00:10:20,920 -->
00:10:23,880
productive Owens had said that she would stop if
125
00:10:23,880 -->
00:10:28,280
Erica called and asked around the same time a treasury letter said turning point
126
00:10:28,280 -->
00:10:32,000
was not under IRS investigation this is the only feud where the peace treaty got
127
00:10:32,000 -->
00:10:37,440
fewer clicks than the war and then of course there were the macaron sagas
128
00:10:37,440 -->
00:10:42,400
Emmanuel and Brigitte macaron suit Owens in Delaware Superior Court in July of 2025
129
00:10:42,400 -->
00:10:46,360
over statements about Brigitte macaron which Bloomberg Law called baseless
130
00:10:46,360 -->
00:10:50,880
conspiracy theories Owens lawyers moved to dismiss over jurisdiction and time
131
00:10:50,880 -->
00:10:56,400
limits but out of July 27th hearing the judge did not rule and so that case is
132
00:10:56,400 -->
00:11:01,240
still pending so notice the pattern here guys a head of state's wife a security
133
00:11:01,240 -->
00:11:06,440
chief a private man different plaintiffs the same alleged method sometimes a
134
00:11:06,440 -->
00:11:10,200
lawsuit is a shakedown but sometimes it's the only way that a person with no
135
00:11:10,200 -->
00:11:14,280
platform gets heard so we can hold both possibilities until a judge sorts them
136
00:11:14,280 -->
00:11:22,540
now Candace Owens unfortunately for some of us unfortunately for her has made
137
00:11:22,540 -->
00:11:28,920
public statements saying things like this I'm just glad that I can remember
138
00:11:28,920 -->
00:11:32,480
these things remember these moments I'm so grateful that I never delete anything
139
00:11:32,480 -->
00:11:37,360
on my phone which drives my husband crazy he's always about you have to have
140
00:11:37,360 -->
00:11:40,780
a clean digital life and when he when we first got married he was like what do you
141
00:11:40,780 -->
00:11:45,440
mean you still have your email from third grade and I was like I just have
142
00:11:45,440 -->
00:11:47,840
to keep everything I just don't really like to delete my digital life and he's
143
00:11:47,840 -->
00:11:53,520
like meticulous with his digital life and deletes everything so I'm it's one of
144
00:11:53,520 -->
00:11:56,560
things I'm grateful for is that I didn't say anything and I can just remember it
145
00:11:56,560 -->
00:12:03,460
all and eat anything and definitely probably should have if many of these
146
00:12:03,460 -->
00:12:08,680
public records that have been dropped accusing of her being on adult friend to
147
00:12:08,680 -->
00:12:13,000
find her accusing her of searching has been threesomes accusing her husband of
148
00:12:13,000 -->
00:12:17,680
being gay all of these things being put together in the same sleuthing manner
149
00:12:17,680 -->
00:12:22,440
that her for her and her followers have used against the the the petard has been
150
00:12:22,440 -->
00:12:26,880
pretty damn hoisted here back in December Tucker Carlson said he would not
151
00:12:26,880 -->
00:12:31,640
criticize anyone earnestly searching for the truth but he pretty much well damn
152
00:12:31,640 -->
00:12:35,800
well does criticize people looking for the truth Laura Loomer a right-wing
153
00:12:35,800 -->
00:12:39,120
activist who has found more truth and Candace Owens has in her left pinky
154
00:12:39,120 -->
00:12:44,640
called her a grifter and of course Tucker Carlson hates Lauren Loomer as well last
155
00:12:44,640 -->
00:12:49,500
week the blast reported Owens countered a $300,000 debate offer from Andrew
156
00:12:49,500 -->
00:12:53,340
Wilson by demanding a five hundred thousand dollar check and a studio with
157
00:12:53,340 -->
00:12:59,680
live fact checkers incited that her pregnancy made her demand that my my
158
00:12:59,680 -->
00:13:02,560
view on this is simple guys if your audience trusts you more than the
159
00:13:02,560 -->
00:13:08,400
evidence then you owe them a real evidence actual evidence trust is alone
160
00:13:08,400 -->
00:13:14,720
and interest compounds do you trust AP for Liberty sure hope so bankruptcy
161
00:13:14,720 -->
00:13:20,760
American Revolution good morning rise and freedom I'm Austin Peterson and
162
00:13:20,760 -->
00:13:24,180
you're watching and listening to the wake up America show on the for Liberty
163
00:13:24,180 -->
00:13:27,960
Network click the like button if you haven't already if today's your first
164
00:13:27,960 -->
00:13:30,760
time ever watching the wake up America show and you're enjoying yourself make
165
00:13:30,760 -->
00:13:34,400
sure you click the follow button before you go you'll get a notification whenever
166
00:13:34,400 -->
00:13:39,600
we go live judge Andrew palitano argues that presidential power is only what the
167
00:13:39,600 -->
00:13:44,360
Constitution and Congress grant he cites boat strikes on alleged drug
168
00:13:44,360 -->
00:13:50,440
vessels which a UN reporter says killed at least 223 people and the Iran war the
169
00:13:50,440 -->
00:13:56,080
house voted 220 to 204 on September the 15th to withdraw forces but the Senate
170
00:13:56,080 -->
00:14:02,280
rejected it 49 to 50 the Supreme Court ruled in February that IE EPA does not
171
00:14:02,280 -->
00:14:07,240
authorize tariffs but new ones came under other statutes and we're all
172
00:14:07,240 -->
00:14:11,760
paying higher prices at the grocery store for it Congress also refused funds
173
00:14:11,760 -->
00:14:15,640
for the White House ballroom napolitano calls this one man's opinion replacing
174
00:14:15,640 -->
00:14:20,160
law administration of course disputes that my next guest now host of judging
175
00:14:20,160 -->
00:14:23,360
freedom viewed by millions around the world judge entered a palitano is a
176
00:14:23,360 -->
00:14:27,320
former judge and constitutional commentator focused on constitutional
177
00:14:27,320 -->
00:14:32,440
law civil liberties courts war powers and American history judge welcome back to
178
00:14:32,440 -->
00:14:36,280
wake up America good morning Austin a pleasure to be with you thank you judge
179
00:14:36,280 -->
00:14:40,520
I love your columns because I'm such a history buff and I always learn so much
180
00:14:40,520 -->
00:14:45,640
from them your new column this week at judge nap calm opens with Thomas Cromwell
181
00:14:45,640 -->
00:14:50,080
and and boil in which is fascinating because I was just watching a series
182
00:14:50,080 -->
00:14:55,520
about these two and their experiences together this is a scene however that
183
00:14:55,520 -->
00:14:59,920
comes from historical fiction but you use this opening on President Obama's
184
00:14:59,920 -->
00:15:06,400
drone strikes in 2015 so if the standard has not changed why should a skeptical
185
00:15:06,400 -->
00:15:12,240
conservatives say that this column is about principle and not about Trump well
186
00:15:12,240 -->
00:15:19,940
the Thomas Cromwell historical analogy reflects that even though and boil in
187
00:15:19,940 -->
00:15:25,440
who was the Queen of England was charged with treason because she slept with and
188
00:15:25,440 -->
00:15:31,400
had sex with someone other than the king her executioner was summoned and paid
189
00:15:31,400 -->
00:15:39,240
for before her jury trial took place this was arranged by Cromwell whose son
190
00:15:39,240 -->
00:15:43,000
allegedly said to him well why are you bothering to have a trial if the king
191
00:15:43,000 -->
00:15:47,600
has already prepaid the executioner whereupon Cromwell is reported of
192
00:15:47,600 -->
00:15:54,800
replied to give the perception of legitimacy so that we don't have the
193
00:15:54,800 -->
00:15:58,520
tyranny of one man's opinion that phrase has been carried out through history and
194
00:15:58,520 -->
00:16:03,440
I have used it before the tyranny of one man's opinion that's what we suffer from
195
00:16:03,440 -->
00:16:11,880
now under under Donald Trump which is the tyranny of one man's opinion he
196
00:16:11,880 -->
00:16:18,960
cannot execute people on his own but he does so he cannot start wars on his own
197
00:16:18,960 -->
00:16:26,080
but he does so and this is a form of tyranny when one person assumes to
198
00:16:26,080 -->
00:16:32,040
himself the powers that the Constitution does not give him but rather gives to
199
00:16:32,040 -->
00:16:37,680
the Congress or to the courts only the courts can order an execution after a
200
00:16:37,680 -->
00:16:41,520
trial at which the defendant is proven guilty for a capital crime drug
201
00:16:41,520 -->
00:16:44,880
distribution in the United States is not a capital crime so these people are
202
00:16:44,880 -->
00:16:51,560
being executed I've used the phrase murdered for a crime that doesn't even
203
00:16:51,560 -->
00:16:58,720
carry the the death penalty this is a radical radical violation of due
204
00:16:58,720 -->
00:17:03,560
process when we're talking about the people on the speedboats we also know
205
00:17:03,560 -->
00:17:08,160
that horrifically and unless their pardon I think these people will be
206
00:17:08,160 -->
00:17:14,440
prosecuted in a subsequent presidential administration the Navy has actually
207
00:17:14,440 -->
00:17:23,240
attacked and murdered survivors of these speedboat killings that directly and
208
00:17:23,240 -->
00:17:29,880
clearly contradicts the uniform code of military justice that injured or non
209
00:17:29,880 -->
00:17:35,760
injured survivors of a military attack either a legitimate or an illegitimate
210
00:17:35,760 -->
00:17:43,160
one must be rescued rather than rather than killed you know we have a host of
211
00:17:43,160 -->
00:17:48,600
violations here the the ballroom which is now costing taxpayers a billion
212
00:17:48,600 -->
00:17:53,160
dollars this violates a principle of the Constitution that only Congress can
213
00:17:53,160 -->
00:17:57,000
authorize the expenditure of money in fact the Constitution is very clear it
214
00:17:57,000 -->
00:18:03,720
says no monies shall be drawn from the Federal Treasury except those which have
215
00:18:03,720 -->
00:18:08,140
been approved by law meaning the house and the Senate have approved it and the
216
00:18:08,140 -->
00:18:15,460
president assigned the legislation these vanity projects in Washington DC from
217
00:18:15,460 -->
00:18:25,720
the garish redecoration of and signs pointing to the oval office to this
218
00:18:25,720 -->
00:18:32,360
trample arch to the ballroom to the eradication of the Kennedy Center none
219
00:18:32,360 -->
00:18:37,420
of this has been authorized by by Congress and none of this is reposed in
220
00:18:37,420 -->
00:18:41,760
the president for his authority so because he is so intimidated the
221
00:18:41,760 -->
00:18:47,800
Republicans and intimidation that might be arithmetically meaningless after the
222
00:18:47,800 -->
00:18:54,340
midterms but right now is meaningful nobody complains did you hear a single
223
00:18:54,340 -->
00:18:59,320
Republican besides Thomas Massey criticized the president for threatening
224
00:18:59,320 -->
00:19:06,340
to murder 91 million Iranians last week not a single one except for congressman
225
00:19:06,340 -->
00:19:11,020
Massey judge you talked about you know the government should not be able to do
226
00:19:11,020 -->
00:19:15,120
something that a private citizen can't do now if you know I have a water feature
227
00:19:15,120 -->
00:19:20,640
on my property if drug runners with machine guns were coming up that creek
228
00:19:20,640 -->
00:19:25,240
into onto my private property it wouldn't be murder for me to violently
229
00:19:25,240 -->
00:19:29,760
resist them coming onto my private property so how is it that it's murder if
230
00:19:29,760 -->
00:19:34,360
the government does it because the government's required to follow due
231
00:19:34,360 -->
00:19:39,280
process and you're not somebody's invading your property there is no due
232
00:19:39,280 -->
00:19:44,680
process if someone's in a speedboat carrying drugs the government's
233
00:19:44,680 -->
00:19:49,680
obligation if it can and if the United States has jurisdiction over the area
234
00:19:49,680 -->
00:19:55,000
no jurisdiction over these areas all this happens in international waters it
235
00:19:55,000 -->
00:20:00,040
would then stop the boat and arrest them you have no such obligation if someone
236
00:20:00,040 -->
00:20:06,000
is violating your property with weapons you can use weapons of the same strength
237
00:20:06,000 -->
00:20:11,360
or more forceful to cut them down and I trust that you would hell yes I would
238
00:20:11,360 -->
00:20:15,400
judge thank you for that so the so the individual in some sense has more rights
239
00:20:15,400 -->
00:20:19,320
more powers than the government in a way oh absolutely the individual is
240
00:20:19,320 -->
00:20:24,920
sovereign the government only exists by virtue of the powers that the government
241
00:20:24,920 -->
00:20:31,400
have consented to give it and what we haven't given we've retained that's in
242
00:20:31,400 -->
00:20:36,400
the Tenth Amendment right there so judge if a suspected smuggler is not condemned
243
00:20:36,400 -->
00:20:40,520
to death by a suspicion what process would satisfy the Fifth Amendment for
244
00:20:40,520 -->
00:20:44,560
someone on a boat in international waters does the answer change if he's a
245
00:20:44,560 -->
00:20:49,560
foreign national no if any process would you would have to wait until the person
246
00:20:49,560 -->
00:20:55,400
entered United States territory and then you'd have to have probable cause in
247
00:20:55,400 -->
00:20:59,440
order to arrest them if there's probable cause here and I doubt there is or the
248
00:20:59,440 -->
00:21:05,040
government would have shared it with us if there's a probable cause here the
249
00:21:05,040 -->
00:21:10,480
government doesn't have jurisdiction to do anything in international waters it
250
00:21:10,480 -->
00:21:15,400
would have to wait until they entered American territory which is twelve and a
251
00:21:15,400 -->
00:21:19,960
half miles off the coast does the calculation change at all judge under
252
00:21:19,960 -->
00:21:23,840
the law or even under libertarian philosophy if instead of drug runners
253
00:21:23,840 -->
00:21:29,680
they were smuggling in say a nuclear weapon or a chemical or biological
254
00:21:29,680 -->
00:21:35,000
weapons say like if Chinese nationals were attempting to bring in a new plague
255
00:21:35,000 -->
00:21:40,200
in order to start a new pandemic would that change the law or the the legal
256
00:21:40,200 -->
00:21:46,280
calculation of what can be done you mean like Anthony Fauci did right there
257
00:21:46,280 -->
00:21:52,640
precisely so so almost almost literally true no nothing changes the calculation
258
00:21:52,640 -->
00:21:58,480
because the the linchpin for anything the government does is jurisdiction now
259
00:21:58,480 -->
00:22:02,160
the United States government doesn't follow this it had no jurisdiction over
260
00:22:02,160 -->
00:22:11,240
General Soleimani having lunch in Iraq but it murdered him anyway so none of
261
00:22:11,240 -->
00:22:14,640
this is lawful the government would probably do it anyway but none of its
262
00:22:14,640 -->
00:22:21,200
lawful without jurisdiction without a basis a lawful constitutional or moral
263
00:22:21,200 -->
00:22:28,240
basis for the exercise of government power look if General Soleimani was
264
00:22:28,240 -->
00:22:35,680
about to kill the US ambassador to Iraq this is a stretch but under that
265
00:22:35,680 -->
00:22:42,000
circumstance the United States could use a violence against him in Iraq even
266
00:22:42,000 -->
00:22:46,680
though it doesn't have jurisdiction over the land in which he was standing at the
267
00:22:46,680 -->
00:22:52,160
time it happened so that's obviously an exception to the jurisdiction is the
268
00:22:52,160 -->
00:22:59,280
linchpin rule does a does an embassy count so for example when Iranians
269
00:22:59,280 -->
00:23:05,040
captured hostages at the American Embassy I believe was the 1970s and
270
00:23:05,040 -->
00:23:10,320
Carter had the ill-fated you know attempt to rescue the hostages would it
271
00:23:10,320 -->
00:23:15,520
would the American Embassy then you know be considered American soil then give us
272
00:23:15,520 -->
00:23:21,920
jurisdiction and sense yes absolutely absolutely you know the United States
273
00:23:21,920 -->
00:23:29,880
has a legal and moral obligation to protect American citizens so even though
274
00:23:29,880 -->
00:23:34,640
what Carter attempted to do failed it was constitutional and moral if it failed
275
00:23:34,640 -->
00:23:40,960
not for legal reasons it failed for mechanical reasons so then - so then if
276
00:23:40,960 -->
00:23:45,400
Americans go overseas judge let's say like the like the Brittany Griner case
277
00:23:45,400 -->
00:23:50,480
for example she was detained by Russian authorities I mean would it it's legal
278
00:23:50,480 -->
00:23:57,000
and moral in your mind to send a rescue team like a like a hostile force like
279
00:23:57,000 -->
00:24:01,840
SEAL team six to break into a prison and to rescue an American citizen well no
280
00:24:01,840 -->
00:24:07,440
because we respect the sovereignty of Russia there was no sovereignty to be
281
00:24:07,440 -->
00:24:17,120
respected by hostage takers in in in Tehran in 1970 that wasn't the
282
00:24:17,120 -->
00:24:20,920
government that did it eventually became the government but it wasn't the
283
00:24:20,920 -->
00:24:26,280
government at the time so there was no sovereign immunity there so would you
284
00:24:26,280 -->
00:24:31,240
say the same thing when it came to Osama bin Laden and the the raid to kill him
285
00:24:31,240 -->
00:24:36,280
in Pakistan was was Pakistan's government sovereign at that time well
286
00:24:36,280 -->
00:24:41,560
Pakistan's government facilitated the murder of Osama bin Laden who'd never
287
00:24:41,560 -->
00:24:48,400
been charged with a crime involving 9/11 after he died the government said oh he
288
00:24:48,400 -->
00:24:52,120
wasn't the mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was sorry we already murdered
289
00:24:52,120 -->
00:24:56,000
him this is why everybody got so mad at you and Roger Ailes would call you his
290
00:24:56,000 -->
00:25:01,320
office judge saying stuff like now people agree with me late in the day but
291
00:25:01,320 -->
00:25:08,040
yes they do judge the remember Gary Shryer going crazy mm-hmm when I said on
292
00:25:08,040 -->
00:25:13,560
air that Osama bin Laden was murdered I said it on Maria Bartiromo's show and he
293
00:25:13,560 -->
00:25:17,280
told me not to say it on my own and of course I said it anyway because you
294
00:25:17,280 -->
00:25:23,160
wrote the script I'll never forget you leaning over my desk that day after they
295
00:25:23,160 -->
00:25:26,240
got him and telling me what you were about to say on TV and I was thinking to
296
00:25:26,240 -->
00:25:32,440
myself this is gonna be difficult a difficult day with the upper management
297
00:25:32,440 -->
00:25:38,120
but we got through it like we always did judge we're having a debate in on the
298
00:25:38,120 -->
00:25:45,760
right these days about the concept the concept of a of a nation-state and
299
00:25:45,760 -->
00:25:53,000
whether it is an argument of blood and soil which makes a nation or whether it
300
00:25:53,000 -->
00:25:59,000
is a proposition whether the concept of the United States is an idea or whether
301
00:25:59,000 -->
00:26:05,640
it is a land and whether it is a people many libertarians including many of our
302
00:26:05,640 -->
00:26:10,960
friends some former friends at the Mises Institute argued that a nation-state is
303
00:26:10,960 -->
00:26:16,560
composed of its people they argue that a nation-state is blood and it is soil
304
00:26:16,560 -->
00:26:23,480
others like nationalist libertarians like Vivek Ramaswamy of Ohio his argument
305
00:26:23,480 -->
00:26:27,280
is that the United States is a propositional nation that it is a
306
00:26:27,280 -->
00:26:32,920
concept it is an idea in other words he argues that that Abraham Lincoln was
307
00:26:32,920 -->
00:26:36,920
correct that the United States is dedicated to a proposition and is
308
00:26:36,920 -->
00:26:42,720
therefore itself an idea but the blood and soil nationalists argue that the
309
00:26:42,720 -->
00:26:47,580
United States is a nation such as it is because of the people that it is made up
310
00:26:47,580 -->
00:26:53,040
of what side do you lean more on do you do you lean more on the propositional
311
00:26:53,040 -->
00:27:00,720
nation concept or more on the blood and soil more on the blood and soil pardon
312
00:27:00,720 -->
00:27:08,440
me excuse me a minute argument it's hard for me to agree with anything that
313
00:27:08,440 -->
00:27:13,120
Lincoln said or it's hard for me to agree with much that Vivek Ramaswamy
314
00:27:13,120 -->
00:27:18,460
says but look I'm in a different world from these from these people I believe
315
00:27:18,460 -->
00:27:22,720
in in open borders you have the right to travel wherever you want to go you don't
316
00:27:22,720 -->
00:27:27,760
have a right to claim benefits from the government but you have the right to
317
00:27:27,760 -->
00:27:33,400
walk on a government street to come and and if you're my cousin from Florence
318
00:27:33,400 -->
00:27:38,720
and live in in an apartment on my property and it's none of the
319
00:27:38,720 -->
00:27:45,060
government's business the Constitution doesn't even give the federal government
320
00:27:45,060 -->
00:27:52,360
authority over immigration it only gives it authority over naturalization so to
321
00:27:52,360 -->
00:28:00,560
the founders this was dirt this was earth this was soil this was jurisdiction
322
00:28:00,560 -->
00:28:06,680
over the soil the attitudes and culture of which can change with the times but
323
00:28:06,680 -->
00:28:12,240
the baseline is the same life liberty pursuit of happiness and Jefferson's
324
00:28:12,240 -->
00:28:17,560
mind the government only exists to protect natural rights so Jefferson of
325
00:28:17,560 -->
00:28:23,520
course wouldn't even recognize the government today so so if the if then you
326
00:28:23,520 -->
00:28:28,800
know a nation is the blood of the people right our genetics and the soil like the
327
00:28:28,800 -->
00:28:34,540
location of you know of where we declare this nation to be then would you say
328
00:28:34,540 -->
00:28:40,080
that it takes two or three generations for someone even if you believe in open
329
00:28:40,080 -->
00:28:45,400
borders judge then for someone to truly be an American it would take them two or
330
00:28:45,400 -->
00:28:50,440
three generations of intermingling of interbreeding of adapting to our
331
00:28:50,440 -->
00:28:56,600
circumstances of it would take a significant amount of melting for them to
332
00:28:56,600 -->
00:29:01,820
change to be a part to truly be an American so that would suggest that
333
00:29:01,820 -->
00:29:06,840
an immigrant could not be an American just because they took an oath to the
334
00:29:06,840 -->
00:29:10,840
Constitution then right well maybe I maybe I was less than clear I mean I'm
335
00:29:10,840 -->
00:29:16,260
I don't know what you mean by blood the Constitution protects persons it doesn't
336
00:29:16,260 -->
00:29:22,600
protect just Americans my grandparents came here as children they spoke Italian
337
00:29:22,600 -->
00:29:28,040
by the time they graduated from high school they spoke fluent English and they
338
00:29:28,040 -->
00:29:32,720
and their parents were American citizens that had nothing to do with any blood or
339
00:29:32,720 -->
00:29:37,480
intermingling in fact there was no intermingling they married the children
340
00:29:37,480 -->
00:29:43,920
of other immigrants so it yeah so it's basically the concept of you know the
341
00:29:43,920 -->
00:29:50,740
the genetic lineage of Americans so I condemn the concept of a genetic of a
342
00:29:50,740 -->
00:29:58,240
genetic lineage it's the concept of soil mm-hmm you cross the border you obey the
343
00:29:58,240 -->
00:30:04,240
law you pass the test you're an American no matter your blood hmm yeah I believe
344
00:30:04,240 -->
00:30:08,280
that Jeff diced from Mises made that comment he says this relentless
345
00:30:08,280 -->
00:30:12,360
politicization of American culture has eroded goodwill and inflamed the worst
346
00:30:12,360 -->
00:30:16,280
impulses in society and Tifa and the alt-right may represent simple-minded
347
00:30:16,280 -->
00:30:20,500
expressions of hatred and fear but both groups are animated entirely by politics
348
00:30:20,500 -->
00:30:23,480
the perception that others can impose their willingness politically the only
349
00:30:23,480 -->
00:30:28,440
lasting solution to political violence is to make politics matter less but blood
350
00:30:28,440 -->
00:30:33,680
and soil will still matter to people it's it's a it's a different it's a
351
00:30:33,680 -->
00:30:37,400
challenge because it is a challenge I love Jeff and I agree with almost
352
00:30:37,400 -->
00:30:44,080
everything he says but I don't accept the the blood argument I'm not sure what
353
00:30:44,080 -->
00:30:48,880
he what he means by this is very very dangerous slippery slope when you start
354
00:30:48,880 -->
00:30:55,800
talking about people's blood and whether one blood line is superior to another I
355
00:30:55,800 -->
00:30:59,520
mean it's Donald Trump more of an American because he's descended from
356
00:30:59,520 -->
00:31:04,040
Scotsman that were here for a hundred years and then I am because I'm
357
00:31:04,040 -->
00:31:08,680
descended from Italians who just got here that is the question that is the
358
00:31:08,680 -->
00:31:13,320
debate that the right is currently fighting over is a reprehensible and
359
00:31:13,320 -->
00:31:21,880
disgusting debate with shades of Woodrow Wilson and genetics and the Nazis and
360
00:31:21,880 -->
00:31:27,200
superior bloodlines but I don't even want to touch it I condemn it the judge
361
00:31:27,200 -->
00:31:37,600
is the US more than just an economic zone it's dirt according to Jefferson
362
00:31:37,600 -->
00:31:46,180
it's soil thank you judge so much tell us when Jefferson when Jefferson bought
363
00:31:46,180 -->
00:31:55,240
the Louisiana Purchase he didn't buy the dirt he bought the right to govern the
364
00:31:55,240 -->
00:32:04,840
dirt that's all he bought he didn't buy the land he bought the French leaving
365
00:32:04,840 -->
00:32:11,920
the land to American jurisdiction and then they gave the land away judge
366
00:32:11,920 -->
00:32:15,960
Ronald Reagan said you can move to Japan but you can't become Japanese you can
367
00:32:15,960 -->
00:32:20,640
move to Germany and you won't be a German but the United States is the only
368
00:32:20,640 -->
00:32:25,040
place where if you come to the United States and you take the oath to the
369
00:32:25,040 -->
00:32:29,840
Constitution and pass a citizenship test then you can be an American so what is
370
00:32:29,840 -->
00:32:33,720
it is that the thing that really makes us special the is that the thing that
371
00:32:33,720 -->
00:32:38,920
makes America unique in all the world that you and I we could never be I mean
372
00:32:38,920 -->
00:32:43,120
I could never be an Italian I could never be Japanese I could never you can
373
00:32:43,120 -->
00:32:47,800
be an Italian citizen or a Japanese citizen I reject the idea that America
374
00:32:47,800 -->
00:32:53,760
is special it's different it's not special it's different because it least
375
00:32:53,760 -->
00:33:01,800
until Trump became president embraced the concept of welcoming strangers judge
376
00:33:01,800 -->
00:33:05,800
who do you have coming up on your show judging freedom this week I have a very
377
00:33:05,800 -->
00:33:10,800
interesting day I have Robert Barnes who's the lawyer with extraordinary
378
00:33:10,800 -->
00:33:16,560
contacts on the inner circle in the White House I have Colonel Douglas
379
00:33:16,560 -->
00:33:22,680
McGregor and I have Scott Ritter from Siberia of all places but that's where
380
00:33:22,680 -->
00:33:26,520
we found him this week Robert Barnes I'm looking forward to that one judge thank
381
00:33:26,520 -->
00:33:30,080
you so much for your time today you always join us every Wednesday I learned
382
00:33:30,080 -->
00:33:38,440
this morning that judging freedom is about to pass the 400 million mark of
383
00:33:38,440 -->
00:33:43,960
viewership next week congratulations judge you can download that podcast on
384
00:33:43,960 -->
00:33:47,440
all of your mobile devices and judge we look forward to seeing you next Wednesday
385
00:33:47,440 -->
00:33:50,960
thank you Austin all the best thank you too when the power of artificial
386
00:33:50,960 -->
00:33:55,580
welcome back to the wake-up America show I'm your host Austin Peterson glad and
387
00:33:55,580 -->
00:33:59,360
thankful to have you here click the like button if you haven't already and if
388
00:33:59,360 -->
00:34:02,440
today is the first time you've ever watched the wake-up America show click
389
00:34:02,440 -->
00:34:05,600
the follow button as well we'd love to have you be a regular guest come back
390
00:34:05,600 -->
00:34:08,800
and join us five days a week Monday through Friday's I love bringing you
391
00:34:08,800 -->
00:34:13,000
guys great new guests and I've got an exciting one for you he's gonna be here
392
00:34:13,000 -->
00:34:19,320
in just a moment first let's set up the topic Trump's libertarian record boo yes
393
00:34:19,320 -->
00:34:27,080
how dare you oh yeah Trump's libertarian record small out libertarian right we're
394
00:34:27,080 -->
00:34:32,840
gonna talk about the 2017 tax law we're gonna talk about the Russ Ulbricht
395
00:34:32,840 -->
00:34:39,160
pardon we're gonna talk about the regulatory overhauls 10 repeals per new
396
00:34:39,160 -->
00:34:44,160
rule for per every new real hemp was legalized in 2018 but Congress has
397
00:34:44,160 -->
00:34:48,720
voted to ban most hemp THC products effective in November right to try in
398
00:34:48,720 -->
00:34:53,900
2018 has only seen 21 drugs used the Ukraine aid pause lasted about a week
399
00:34:53,900 -->
00:34:58,280
US AIDS operations were folded into state without a law abolishing it
400
00:34:58,280 -->
00:35:02,900
courts have blocked the CFPB defunding efforts so some wins some losses let's
401
00:35:02,900 -->
00:35:07,880
talk about that my next guest conducts research analysis for a nonprofit in the
402
00:35:07,880 -->
00:35:11,600
Washington DC area he's Andrew Follett and he's here to grade the list item by
403
00:35:11,600 -->
00:35:17,120
item Andrew welcome the wake-up America show good to see you glad to have you
404
00:35:17,120 -->
00:35:21,020
here so let's talk a little bit about some of the more like I don't know the
405
00:35:21,020 -->
00:35:24,760
kind of things we're getting ripped for libertarians who believe in small
406
00:35:24,760 -->
00:35:29,140
government were always accused to be in pot smoking hippies well let's say that
407
00:35:29,140 -->
00:35:34,800
drugs are all a libertarian cares about okay well wasn't there a psychedelic
408
00:35:34,800 -->
00:35:40,800
order that that allowed people to do right to try for certain it's you know
409
00:35:40,800 -->
00:35:45,360
certain drugs I mean even if we are everything that our critics say we are
410
00:35:45,360 -->
00:35:49,200
well it libertarian should still count the Trump administration as a win
411
00:35:49,200 -->
00:35:53,640
including rescheduling of marijuana correct yeah there's been a ton of huge
412
00:35:53,640 -->
00:35:59,700
wins my own area of expertise is energy stuff and I mean just the greenhouse
413
00:35:59,700 -->
00:36:04,000
gas repealing the greenhouse gas engagement finding and keeping the EPA
414
00:36:04,000 -->
00:36:09,080
under control is an enormous win like that's a that's a trillion dollars a
415
00:36:09,080 -->
00:36:14,840
year easily well talk about what that is and what that affects so the greenhouse
416
00:36:14,840 -->
00:36:20,360
gas endangerment finding is basically the government's legal basis for
417
00:36:20,360 -->
00:36:25,840
regulating absolutely everything including you you are the carbon they
418
00:36:25,840 -->
00:36:30,440
want to you know prevent from being released every human being exhales
419
00:36:30,440 -->
00:36:37,220
carbon dioxide right and the greenhouse gas endangerment finding is what enables
420
00:36:37,220 -->
00:36:43,440
them to legally tax and regulate that it's currently there it's currently
421
00:36:43,440 -->
00:36:48,200
before the Supreme Court and it's very likely so the what happened was the
422
00:36:48,200 -->
00:36:52,480
Trump administration said there's no legal basis to regulate this this is not
423
00:36:52,480 -->
00:36:58,720
a pollutant this is not like you know sulfuric acid previously doing the Obama
424
00:36:58,720 -->
00:37:03,960
air it had been carbon acid what we all breathe out had been being regulated as
425
00:37:03,960 -->
00:37:08,440
if it were sulfuric acid which it isn't right it's a colorless odorless gas that
426
00:37:08,440 -->
00:37:12,360
you can't really kill you this is not carbon monoxide this is just you know
427
00:37:12,360 -->
00:37:18,480
what we breathe out and deregulating that is a huge win that's one of the huge
428
00:37:18,480 -->
00:37:22,200
things President Trump did via the rulemaking process that's enormous it's
429
00:37:22,200 -->
00:37:26,120
a massive wins but it's it's the kind of thing that it's it's hard to get people
430
00:37:26,120 -->
00:37:30,240
excited about over the water cooler one person in the in the chat was saying
431
00:37:30,240 -->
00:37:35,280
what has Trump done this term but this regulatory repeal was done this term
432
00:37:35,280 -->
00:37:42,660
correct yes yes this is a this is a ongoing legal battle and it started this
433
00:37:42,660 -->
00:37:49,400
term another really huge legal win was called the waters of the United States
434
00:37:49,400 -->
00:37:54,920
repeal and that's the if you have a puddle in your backyard right the EPA
435
00:37:54,920 -->
00:37:59,240
can legally regulate that that puddle is a what's called waters of the United
436
00:37:59,240 -->
00:38:04,400
States and they can treat that as if it was a river and if you have if you if
437
00:38:04,400 -->
00:38:10,160
you use fertilizer on your grass right they have the legal authority before
438
00:38:10,160 -->
00:38:15,200
this to go in and say you're you know that's run off that's polluting this
439
00:38:15,200 -->
00:38:22,520
this puddle that's horrendous right you don't own your own property under the
440
00:38:22,520 -->
00:38:28,960
Biden Obama air EPA you didn't you couldn't do anything and they had the
441
00:38:28,960 -->
00:38:32,200
regulatory authority to do essentially whatever they wanted it was so broad and
442
00:38:32,200 -->
00:38:38,560
because it was so broad it was used very selectively right so if they didn't like
443
00:38:38,560 -->
00:38:42,560
you for whatever reason the authority was so broad they could find something
444
00:38:42,560 -->
00:38:46,520
you'd broken some law somewhere that you broken under what's called waters of the
445
00:38:46,520 -->
00:38:53,120
United States that's gone that's a huge win it is it is a huge win I just can't
446
00:38:53,120 -->
00:38:57,120
understand why so many people who share our idea are why our ideological
447
00:38:57,120 -->
00:39:01,480
brethren refused to see it and when when Trump went and spoke to the
448
00:39:01,480 -->
00:39:06,920
Libertarian National Convention in 2024 there were there was only one sign that
449
00:39:06,920 -->
00:39:12,040
everybody was holding up and it said free Ross Trump pardon Ross Ulbricht in
450
00:39:12,040 -->
00:39:18,480
about 1500 January 6 defendants so the so the question is is has Trump given
451
00:39:18,480 -->
00:39:24,280
everything that was to libertarians that they demanded yeah I mean I'd say you
452
00:39:24,280 -->
00:39:29,040
depending on how we define libertarian you Trump promised one libertarian
453
00:39:29,040 -->
00:39:32,860
cabinet pick right we arguably got three right
454
00:39:32,860 -->
00:39:38,640
Doug Burke Doug the who's the secretary of the interior right huge libertarian
455
00:39:38,640 -->
00:39:42,880
guy completely changed how the Bureau of Land Management which was the worst
456
00:39:42,880 -->
00:39:48,760
government agency ever BLM Bureau of Land Management horrendous organization
457
00:39:48,760 -->
00:39:53,560
controls vast swaths if you ever talked to anyone from the western part of the
458
00:39:53,560 -->
00:39:57,440
United States and they have a you never meet a single person from there who has
459
00:39:57,440 -->
00:40:02,080
a positive opinion of the BLM everybody hates it well we all remember the the
460
00:40:02,080 -->
00:40:07,120
am and Bundy scandal with Obama and the Bureau of Land Management and there was
461
00:40:07,120 -->
00:40:11,960
like an armed standoff that they had with the federal agents they have SWAT
462
00:40:11,960 -->
00:40:20,520
teams I love a USDA has has machine guns there their lettuce pick lettuce
463
00:40:20,520 -->
00:40:25,240
inspectors with machine guns is my favorite quote is the EPA the EPA the EPA
464
00:40:25,240 -->
00:40:32,280
invaded the town of Alaska with a tank and that was like 2014 now let's talk
465
00:40:32,280 -->
00:40:37,440
about USA because there's a little bit of mixed signals on this one USA stopped
466
00:40:37,440 -->
00:40:43,640
implementing foreign aid on July 1st of 2025 but there was no law that abolished
467
00:40:43,640 -->
00:40:48,800
it however I saw a post the other day that's that was from a former USA worker
468
00:40:48,800 -->
00:40:55,880
saying that 40% of his fellow former employees of USAid are unable to get a
469
00:40:55,880 -->
00:41:02,960
new job libertarian win huge I think it was the federal workforce which I would
470
00:41:02,960 -->
00:41:07,340
say is the single best metric for measuring how powerful the government is
471
00:41:07,340 -->
00:41:12,760
is down by about 12% since the start of the second term I would say that's the
472
00:41:12,760 -->
00:41:18,960
single best metric some of that was USAid other other agencies and a lot of
473
00:41:18,960 -->
00:41:23,560
those people their skills are so specialized that they can't really work
474
00:41:23,560 -->
00:41:27,920
outside of that field and they were drawing absolutely huge salaries
475
00:41:27,920 -->
00:41:33,920
messing with your life basically USAid in particular is a it was a very huge
476
00:41:33,920 -->
00:41:38,760
target so one of the most amazing things that I discovered in my research was
477
00:41:38,760 -->
00:41:44,560
what percentage of USAid spending to Haiti would you guess was actually spent
478
00:41:44,560 -->
00:41:53,380
physically in Haiti I have no idea 10% 2% really I was high well what percent do
479
00:41:53,380 -->
00:42:04,160
you think was spent in the DC beltway 90 over 50 okay okay the programs like
480
00:42:04,160 -->
00:42:09,520
that look you can never buy enough loyalty in politics and programs like
481
00:42:09,520 -->
00:42:18,000
USAid are they're a signature they're a way of buying loyalty from of and they
482
00:42:18,000 -->
00:42:22,480
put someone who is often in genuine need and in genuine poverty and has a real
483
00:42:22,480 -->
00:42:27,440
problem they'll put that person out kind of in front as an advertisement and then
484
00:42:27,440 -->
00:42:30,360
when you want to cut the program they'll say but that's hurting that poor guy
485
00:42:30,360 -->
00:42:35,080
who's genuinely you know in trouble and they're with it what they're using that
486
00:42:35,080 -->
00:42:41,760
guy as a human shield that's what it is like to fund graft effectively and if
487
00:42:41,760 -->
00:42:47,200
you cutting USAid was one of the most bold things the president did and it was
488
00:42:47,200 -->
00:42:53,320
he took a lot of flack for it and look anytime you ever cut a single cent the
489
00:42:53,320 -->
00:42:57,520
people I mean you know public choice the people who are getting the money from
490
00:42:57,520 -->
00:43:02,560
they're always gonna fight you on it and they're gonna fight you dirty so cutting
491
00:43:02,560 -->
00:43:07,560
spending is really really really hard because every single dollar is going into
492
00:43:07,560 -->
00:43:12,320
somebody's pocket and that person is gonna oppose the cut it's the problem of
493
00:43:12,320 -->
00:43:16,240
concentrated benefits and dispersed costs because spread across the entire
494
00:43:16,240 -->
00:43:22,120
country like USAid is only a couple of dollars per person right but the people
495
00:43:22,120 -->
00:43:25,200
who are getting the money from it if they're drawing six-figure salaries
496
00:43:25,200 -->
00:43:30,280
they're gonna fight like crazy to keep that salary right and standing up for
497
00:43:30,280 -->
00:43:34,520
the taxpayers inherently hard because the person who's taking the money is
498
00:43:34,520 -->
00:43:38,480
always gonna fight way harder than the taxpayer for very good logical public
499
00:43:38,480 -->
00:43:42,720
choice reasons Andrew you research regulation for a living the White House
500
00:43:42,720 -->
00:43:51,320
says it did 646 deregulatory actions against five new ones in 2025 so talk to
501
00:43:51,320 -->
00:43:55,800
us a little bit about this because you know there's this ten-for-one order you
502
00:43:55,800 -->
00:44:00,160
know what is the easiest way that an agency can game a repeal quota have you
503
00:44:00,160 -->
00:44:05,160
seen rules come back under new names or has have they mostly followed through
504
00:44:05,160 -->
00:44:11,400
with that it's how regulation works is absurdly complicated we are not really
505
00:44:11,400 -->
00:44:16,080
governed by Congress in the extent that we used to be we are governed by what's
506
00:44:16,080 -->
00:44:20,160
called agency rulemaking and it's a very complicated legalistic process in which
507
00:44:20,160 -->
00:44:28,200
what they call stakeholders are they get effectively what's called a comment
508
00:44:28,200 -->
00:44:31,440
period and they get to go in this it's a I don't like this regulation because of
509
00:44:31,440 -->
00:44:36,160
X or I don't like because of Y and then the agency will take a long time to read
510
00:44:36,160 -->
00:44:40,640
those and then they will eventually finalize it and how they do this legally
511
00:44:40,640 -->
00:44:45,640
is they say okay this is what we think the law means and when a new president
512
00:44:45,640 -->
00:44:50,800
comes in there's an opportunity to adjust what the agency says the law
513
00:44:50,800 -->
00:44:55,040
means the a classic example of this would be the Clean Air Act right so the
514
00:44:55,040 -->
00:45:00,480
Clean Air Act under the Obama administration they defined pollution so
515
00:45:00,480 -->
00:45:04,920
broadly that carbon dioxide was a pollutant whereas in the Trump
516
00:45:04,920 -->
00:45:11,040
administration they narrowed what they defined as a pollutant right so we are
517
00:45:11,040 -->
00:45:15,120
not ruled by Congress we are ruled by executive bureaucrats what's called the
518
00:45:15,120 -->
00:45:20,280
Special Executive Service or the SES and those people are the people who are
519
00:45:20,280 -->
00:45:26,560
making the operational decisions on a day-to-day basis Andrew the federal
520
00:45:26,560 -->
00:45:33,880
workforce has fallen about ten percent in 2025 talk about that again that's a
521
00:45:33,880 -->
00:45:40,640
huge cut because in DC your power in DC is based upon how many people you employ
522
00:45:40,640 -->
00:45:45,440
right and if you have fewer bureaucrats who are physically able to go out there
523
00:45:45,440 -->
00:45:50,360
and enforce a regulation by definition you have less regulation right and
524
00:45:50,360 -->
00:45:55,000
that's very very important because fewer people means less power to actually do
525
00:45:55,000 -->
00:46:01,160
stuff and they have there are dramatic I live in the DC area there were way fewer
526
00:46:01,160 -->
00:46:07,620
people here yeah I know I noticed people selling their houses the the housing
527
00:46:07,620 -->
00:46:12,600
market has gone down I think I saw JD to Chile at Reason magazine had reported on
528
00:46:12,600 -->
00:46:15,180
this the other day that people were having trouble selling their houses and
529
00:46:15,180 -->
00:46:19,560
it wasn't just interest rates yeah it's because there's fewer people and another
530
00:46:19,560 -->
00:46:23,360
one of the big changes that Trump made was that they physically moved the
531
00:46:23,360 -->
00:46:27,300
locations of a lot of the agencies out to the places where they're supposed to
532
00:46:27,300 -->
00:46:31,920
be regulating and that that kind of breaks up the like the social climate I
533
00:46:31,920 -->
00:46:35,640
would say and it makes it because if you're if you're a BLM employee and
534
00:46:35,640 -->
00:46:41,920
you're physically in Kansas right people your neighbors have a lot more opinions
535
00:46:41,920 -->
00:46:45,520
and they have very different opinions than your neighbors did in Fairfax
536
00:46:45,520 -->
00:46:50,760
Virginia you know that's a big change so they're a lot less aggressive people
537
00:46:50,760 -->
00:46:55,520
don't like bureaucrats are human and they don't like doing things that tick
538
00:46:55,520 -->
00:47:01,920
off their new neighbors so that was a huge change so the other really big
539
00:47:01,920 -->
00:47:05,520
change it's been a lot of nuclear changes there's been a lot of huge
540
00:47:05,520 -->
00:47:11,000
deregulation there pre the worst agency in my opinion in the country is the
541
00:47:11,000 -->
00:47:16,360
nuclear regulatory Commission and they because they are set up in a way that
542
00:47:16,360 -->
00:47:22,360
they have the legal right to force the companies that build nuclear reactors to
543
00:47:22,360 -->
00:47:28,560
pay their staff right for time and they that time retails at almost $300 an hour
544
00:47:28,560 -->
00:47:36,420
which is insane right and they that's that's completely changed it's
545
00:47:36,420 -->
00:47:42,120
completely gone so we're seeing huge changes because of the deregulatory
546
00:47:42,120 -->
00:47:47,680
agenda it's it's the most important and most under discussed thing because if
547
00:47:47,680 -->
00:47:55,440
you're a an entrepreneur what what's costing you time and money is mostly legal
548
00:47:55,440 -->
00:48:00,920
compliance the GH greenhouse gas endangerment ruling is expected to take
549
00:48:00,920 -->
00:48:07,800
off about 1.2 trillion dollars a year of compliance cost that's a huge number
550
00:48:07,800 -->
00:48:13,080
Andrew the the libertarian movement of which we are both members Small L
551
00:48:13,080 -->
00:48:21,160
Liberty movement has gone from a you know a tidal wave of support in 2016 you
552
00:48:21,160 -->
00:48:26,600
know 2012 to 2016 with the Tea Party years now to probably about its lowest
553
00:48:26,600 -->
00:48:30,400
water point that I've seen in my lifetime but do you think it's because
554
00:48:30,400 -->
00:48:35,960
libertarians just misunderstand something about Donald Trump talk to us a
555
00:48:35,960 -->
00:48:40,120
little bit about like where we're at in terms of people who believe in limited
556
00:48:40,120 -->
00:48:43,320
government who've been fighting for these kinds of winds are we missing
557
00:48:43,320 -->
00:48:47,640
forests for the trees why have so many libertarians sort of gone off the
558
00:48:47,640 -->
00:48:52,160
reservation into a Trump derangement syndrome when you know are we seeing
559
00:48:52,160 -->
00:48:55,840
losses are we seeing things that we don't like you know a war in Iran high
560
00:48:55,840 -->
00:49:01,680
gas prices certainly but I was used to getting absolutely nothing and now we're
561
00:49:01,680 -->
00:49:06,200
getting a lot even though we're getting some things that we don't want why are
562
00:49:06,200 -->
00:49:10,480
so many libertarians sort of immune to logic or reason on this one or are we
563
00:49:10,480 -->
00:49:16,140
really the status collaborationist traders Andrew I would say because people
564
00:49:16,140 -->
00:49:24,500
in general are very black pilling and they it's much easier to sell bad news
565
00:49:24,500 -->
00:49:30,640
bad news makes good good headlines for anyone right so way back and you know
566
00:49:30,640 -->
00:49:34,360
the human ancestral environment if you heard a twig snap and you treated it
567
00:49:34,360 -->
00:49:38,040
like a tiger was gonna eat you that was good for you even if there wasn't a
568
00:49:38,040 -->
00:49:44,580
tiger because the cost was low right so now every single time well we're in our
569
00:49:44,580 -->
00:49:48,960
modern environment there's you know there aren't any tigers in the bushes
570
00:49:48,960 -->
00:49:54,400
anymore but the it's in our brain we're writing the same programming so we have
571
00:49:54,400 -->
00:49:59,520
a just being human it's you're very very very prone to be paranoid about stuff
572
00:49:59,520 -->
00:50:03,320
and that's why you know you can have people saying oh climate change is gonna
573
00:50:03,320 -->
00:50:07,120
end the world in 10 years and then you know they said that like 15 years ago or
574
00:50:07,120 -->
00:50:11,240
you know AI is gonna kill everybody you know they said that 15 years ago we're
575
00:50:11,240 -->
00:50:18,120
still here there's a very powerful psychological reasons that make people
576
00:50:18,120 -->
00:50:23,440
want to believe that they're losing that's very weird isn't it weird I hate
577
00:50:23,440 -->
00:50:29,400
that people want to be pessimistic it's natural to want to be pessimistic but
578
00:50:29,400 -->
00:50:35,380
the facts are on the side of optimism like everything is getting better right
579
00:50:35,380 -->
00:50:40,960
optimism has the way I like to put it is that optimism people demand evidence
580
00:50:40,960 -->
00:50:48,260
for optimism but pessimism is automatically believed yes yes and if you
581
00:50:48,260 -->
00:50:51,640
say something's like the end of the world people are gonna take that more
582
00:50:51,640 -->
00:50:55,800
seriously just by the nature of like it could be and if you're wrong about that
583
00:50:55,800 -->
00:51:00,760
then everyone will forget it because you know oh your heart was in the right
584
00:51:00,760 -->
00:51:06,640
place but again like things are going pretty well right now and like this
585
00:51:06,640 -->
00:51:10,600
stuff does matter a lot and it matters a lot more to like the you know the the
586
00:51:10,600 -->
00:51:13,880
libertarian or the straight the median entrepreneur who doesn't have to you
587
00:51:13,880 -->
00:51:18,560
know spend hours and hours and hours of dealing with compliance costs who
588
00:51:18,560 -->
00:51:23,760
doesn't have to worry about their business getting rated by the EPA that's
589
00:51:23,760 -->
00:51:28,680
huge there's a lot more time and there's a lot more effort that can be freed up
590
00:51:28,680 -->
00:51:34,080
that used to be going to these ridiculous roles that you just don't have
591
00:51:34,080 -->
00:51:40,840
to do anymore so huge win so Andrew what would you say you know the the
592
00:51:40,840 -->
00:51:46,440
midterms are coming up you know people call me a Republican shill but I'm
593
00:51:46,440 -->
00:51:51,120
voting straight ticket Republican because any of the problems that people
594
00:51:51,120 -->
00:51:55,320
say that they have with the Republicans the Democrats are ten times worse you're
595
00:51:55,320 -->
00:51:59,680
worried about gas prices Democrats are gonna deliberately try to raise the
596
00:51:59,680 -->
00:52:05,920
price of gasoline in diesel these any of these issues that that people say that
597
00:52:05,920 -->
00:52:09,680
they're angry about the Democrats are objectively worse on agree disagree
598
00:52:09,680 -->
00:52:15,640
something in the middle I completely agree so a gas price is high yeah but
599
00:52:15,640 -->
00:52:20,840
they were higher in 2022 gas prices are high right now and diesel prices are
600
00:52:20,840 -->
00:52:26,040
especially high because of regulation ironically even diesel gate by chance
601
00:52:26,040 -->
00:52:32,320
about it was a skin like 2015 Volkswagen the car company and a bunch of other
602
00:52:32,320 -->
00:52:38,880
European car companies built their entire model of like business to sell
603
00:52:38,880 -->
00:52:42,640
diesel engines because they thought it was better for the global warming reasons
604
00:52:42,640 -->
00:52:47,920
right and shockingly when you have a when the government picks winners and
605
00:52:47,920 -->
00:52:54,360
losers guess what the companies cheated whoa amazing who could have anticipated
606
00:52:54,360 -->
00:53:00,200
that other than every libertarian ever and what ended up happening was this
607
00:53:00,200 -->
00:53:06,880
shut down a lot of because there was immense the oil refineries want in Europe
608
00:53:06,880 -->
00:53:09,600
they thought they were gonna have an immense demand for diesel so they said
609
00:53:09,600 -->
00:53:13,280
okay we're gonna build a bunch of diesel refineries and suddenly there was no
610
00:53:13,280 -->
00:53:19,800
demand so the refineries in Europe shut down and the refineries that still
611
00:53:19,800 -->
00:53:23,480
continue we're in state-run countries notably in the Middle East and Russia
612
00:53:23,480 -->
00:53:30,260
well guess what you can't get energy out of Russia anymore you can't get energy
613
00:53:30,260 -->
00:53:35,160
out of the Middle East anymore or you can but it's much lower rates so
614
00:53:35,160 -->
00:53:40,020
shockingly like the cause of this problem was regulation right that's the
615
00:53:40,020 -->
00:53:45,260
root cause here and like why is these were expensive because European
616
00:53:45,260 -->
00:53:49,700
bureaucrats ten years ago said we think diesel is the future and that created a
617
00:53:49,700 -->
00:53:56,600
market distortion right the government the the core of libertarian ideology is
618
00:53:56,600 -->
00:54:03,380
that government is the problem right and I well I want libertarians to understand
619
00:54:03,380 -->
00:54:08,000
is that yeah that's the case and take that seriously so stop voting when you
620
00:54:08,000 -->
00:54:12,200
can vote vote for someone who does who also thinks that government is the
621
00:54:12,200 -->
00:54:15,440
problem and right now that's the Republicans Andrew is there anything else
622
00:54:15,440 -->
00:54:19,080
on this subject or anything else you'd like to share or plug with our audience
623
00:54:19,080 -->
00:54:24,640
before we let you go today sir oh I'm on Twitter our ex I guess now as Andrew C
624
00:54:24,640 -->
00:54:31,200
Follett follow me there that's I don't I don't sell anything but I'm a fun Twitter
625
00:54:31,200 -->
00:54:36,460
handle I'd like to think and again like I write for a national review so go
626
00:54:36,460 -->
00:54:44,220
follow me there too the the core of everything we are we are not just winning
627
00:54:44,220 -->
00:54:49,500
we are winning more than we've ever won before and well apparently some people
628
00:54:49,500 -->
00:54:56,640
are tired of it Andrew but I'm not yeah and again the issues that I care about
629
00:54:56,640 -->
00:55:01,600
all this regulation stuff which is enormously important we have never in my
630
00:55:01,600 -->
00:55:07,880
life and I'm 35 years old we have never been this successful before right not
631
00:55:07,880 -->
00:55:13,160
once in history right this stuff may not be interesting it may not be sexy but
632
00:55:13,160 -->
00:55:17,120
it's really really really important libertarians have never been more
633
00:55:17,120 -->
00:55:25,400
unpopular but our ideas have never been more winning yes I'm with you Andrew
634
00:55:25,400 -->
00:55:29,680
even if that doesn't give me a million podcast subscribers or viewers I'm
635
00:55:29,680 -->
00:55:33,880
relentlessly white-pilled and I plan on staying that way Andrew you're a great
636
00:55:33,880 -->
00:55:38,600
follow people who follow you on X make sure that you tag AP for Liberty and say
637
00:55:38,600 -->
00:55:44,400
Andrew I saw you on wake up America show and that way he knows that it's
638
00:55:44,400 -->
00:55:47,240
worth his time to be here and we're very grateful thanks for being so generous
639
00:55:47,240 -->
00:55:51,440
with your time Andrew and have a great day have a good one what do you think
640
00:55:51,690 -->
00:55:53,250
That's today's Wake Up America Show.
641
00:55:53,250 -->
00:55:54,290
Thanks so much for tuning in.
642
00:55:54,290 -->
00:55:55,370
Follow the podcast.
643
00:55:55,370 -->
00:55:59,270
So tomorrow's edition is waiting for you, and watch the full show anytime
644
00:55:59,270 -->
00:56:01,610
at 4LibertyNetwork.com.
