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Speaker 1: The Timberwolves defeat the Lakers to take a two to one lead, one sixteen to one oh four. The Lakers wasted a master performance by Lebron thirty eight points, ten rebounds, four insists, two blocks, tooth steals five to nine from the three point line, but it was not enough because three of the three of the Timberwolves. Ant Man finished like a man supposed to do. That's what your best player is supposed to do, if he's supposed to finish. But Jade McDaniels, Julius Randall was sensational, naz Reid chip in, so did Mike Conley, and they come away get a game, a two to one lead, one sixteen to one, oh four.
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Speaker 2: Joe, let me go to you.
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Speaker 1: First, the timber Ward I thought Lebron and that fourth forty comes down here, back to back threes and then the game undone turn over, the misfree throws. Joe, watching this game, tell me how it played out in your eyes?
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Speaker 5: Uh, just seem like it's two heavyweight fighters, man just really going at It's like backyard basketball, can Old Joe, Like, they really kind of take the centers out the game, Brun playing the fine. They spread the floor and it's just penetrating kick basketball.
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Speaker 2: Things that you learn in grade school, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 5: And it's just read and react, and that's pretty much how they've been competing this, you know, pretty much this whole series. But like you said, Jay McDaniel's baby, he gonna come out. He ultra aggressive uh uh, what is shot?
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Speaker 2: What is I mean?
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Speaker 5: How many field goal attempts had two thirteen for twenty two tonight, Like I like to see that. I like to see this young talent come out initiate, you know, be that aggressor and put the ones on the Laker man. When him and a man attacking like that and applying pressure, you know, in that pain on that rim, you know they able to get easy dumped down to Rudy spray out three to these guards. Devincenzo's you know, coming off the bench playing great. Hey, it's a problem. Minnesota bringing it. They bringing the old Joe. Them boys ain't playing man.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, they they came to play to night. Obviously, I thought I think something was wrong with Luca. I'm not sure what was wrong with Luca. He wasn't on, He wasn't efficient that he normally is. But Lebron was vinced tonight on Lebron was vented thirteen for twenty one. He had thirty eight, ten rebounds for assists. He didn't have much help. He didn't have much help. He was playing on both ends of the court too, now, playing defense, playing offense. Outside of that man and man, listen I'm mad I'm changing his name Anthony Amazon ever, because he delivered every time he coming to the party any on time, every time Monk and obviously.
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Speaker 7: Jake Ye Daniels was excellent tonight.
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Speaker 6: Will he be able to keep up that consistency night in the night out, It is doubtful. The Berecenzo coming off the coming off the bench and contributing, nas Reid hitting some key threes. Obviously in the game as well, it was a good game. Like like Joe say is a heavywey. It looked like a heavyweight heavyweight fight both of them going back to back, but when it came down to the end of it, the timber Wolves got tim Wowllves pulled it off.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the thing is McDaniel has been the key.
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Speaker 1: If you look at the first game they won, look at how Willie shot, he didn't play particularly well in the second game. Nods Reid didn't play well in the particularly in the second game, and so that's the that's he's the X factor. Now, if you're gonna get your third option and he's gonna give you thirty points, it's gonna be especially especially if your first two options are doing what they're supposed to do.
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Speaker 2: And man gave me twenty nine. Julius Ramdall gave me twenty two.
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Speaker 1: Now your third option with your Jaden McDaniels, he's gonna give you thirty. It's gonna be hard to overcome that unless Lebron, that's Luca and less Ar can match that. So let's just say for the sake of argument, they kind of match that tonight, but the difference was de Vincenzo and that nos Reet, so they gave it twenty one.
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Speaker 2: So I'm looking at it right here.
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Speaker 1: You got twenty five off the bench from the Timberwolves, and you got a eleven, sixteen nineteen from them, But it was a timely shots. It's too many, Joe, it's too many turnovers. The Lakers I think had five or six miss free throws in the first half a game. You know that's gonna be tight. Every possession matters, every point matters. When you go to the line and the clock is stopped, you got to capitalize if you have an opportunity to make free throws. And just too many turnovers because when they turn the ball over, Minnesota's making them pay the ultimate price. On the other end, go look at points off turnovers, and look how many Minnesota had, and look how few the Lakers had.
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Speaker 2: When you turn the ball over like the Lakers are, and this.
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Speaker 1: Is the young team that can get out run, Lakers don't have the legs that that the Minnesota Timberwolves have.
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Speaker 2: You're asking for trouble. You're really asking for trouble.
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Speaker 1: I thought the Lakers played really well the third quarter again, kind of got away from him. You know, they had a leader. But look, you know, everybody's gonna make a run. I mean, it's a game of run. That's where basketball lived. You make your run, we make out. Okay, we go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and then we go on another run.
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Speaker 2: You got another run.
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Speaker 1: But I thought the Lakers just turned the ball over too much, Joe, I thought they turned it over too much.
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Speaker 2: I thought they missed too many.
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Speaker 1: Free throws and they let they let the timber Wolves get into a rhythm, especially like the last four minutes of the game, when you have an opportunity. Lebron they had an opportunity. It seems like he was gonna take a three. He took his eye off the ball. He smoked the layup in I mean he smoked good good when smoked one in the first half. When you're on the road and you're playing a team like this and you know it's gonna be nipping tough. Every possession matters, every point matters, and you can't give away. You can't come away with empty possessions.
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Speaker 2: You can't. The one thing I really do like is uh man.
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Speaker 5: When we watch sports, okay o choe, we watched for what we watch for guys to come out there not only display their talents, but as long as they competing at a high level. Right, these dudes out here compete and you hear me, Yeah, they compete and they take it on the challenge. And the only thing that their concerns me been about the Lakers is down the stretch when they go with Broun at the fire, they have no rent protection. So and man when he gets when he gets to the cup, because he gonna get to the cup, it's either foul or spray out for three.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, because there's the thing because they put what they do it is they put Luke in the pick and roll. Yeah they see so they pick they picking on Luca. So now Luca can't stop it. On their initial move. So now if you saw somebody slides the help, it's an easy kick. But a lot of times he's like, bro, that's up, Gay Vincent, that's a Dorian Photis Smith.
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Speaker 2: I'm going on the top of y'all. Hey, Hey, the one time he got that still hold on, when he got that steal.
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Speaker 5: And he drove it, he driven it out to the three point. I don't know what Luka was thinking. I'm like, Lucas should have been on the block so when he looked to come baseline, he should already been that big, like, nah, I'm coming this one.
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Speaker 2: And when base line snatched the screws.
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Speaker 8: At that thing, Hey, Joe, y'all, y'all think y'all think Luca hurt?
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Speaker 7: Or was he just tired to night?
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Speaker 2: He said fool something or something something. He wasn't feeling right. He wasn't feeling well, that's what they said.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he kept he kept cut holding his stomach or something like that.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to tell.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if he initially came out there with that the undershirt on that he had, it seemed like he I don't know, Like I said, I wouldn't really pay him attention and that I don't think he started the second half because gay business started the second half, and then at the time out he ended up coming into the ball game, so he he might be a little under the weather. But at this juncture of the year, old Joe, don't nobody care. So I'm just gonna be one thousle with Joe. Joe, you played at a high level in the NBA on Joe and you and I we played football. When you're in the playoffs, nobody gives a damn. Whether you got an injury, whether you gotta see you go the flu, food pointed, whatever the case may be, get your butt out there on the field or the court and deliver. That's what you make the big bucks for. That's how you got that name. That's who you are, and that's the expectation that people have. And I believe that's the expectations. And Luca's not gonna make excuses. He knows he's going to have to play better if they're gonna have a chance to win the series.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah.
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Speaker 7: So I mean, listen, how you feeling now?
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Speaker 1: I feel good? No, no, no, no, no. Five is obviously it's not happening in five. I feel good the Laker. It can still happen in five five, it may not be. Don't do that, Joe, don't do that a little while for the Register.
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Speaker 2: O gosh.
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Speaker 5: The one thing that concerns me. You know this young Wolf team, they wanted la. They did what they want to do. They gotta win, so they got hunt court advantage. As long as they can take your home court, man, they gonna be tough to be, bro, like, we need.
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Speaker 2: Bron needed fifty tonight to win. He needed fifty.
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry he only one rhythm, had only one seam and really have a rhythm. I thought Austin Reeves had a pretty good rhythm there for a second.
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Speaker 2: But man, you need people to.
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Speaker 5: Put pressure on on that rim man, get in that paint the bab of sprout for threes.
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Speaker 1: We needed Ruy. I mean, I mean something you never know. I can never tell what I'm gonna get from Ruin. Eight points is not nearly enough four rebounds, Bro, I need more than that. I mean, Bro, you got thirty eight points and you got I mean, you got thirty eight minutes and you got yeah, eight points, Lebron, you got a guy on forty on, forty year old legs, give me you forty minutes and he was.
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Speaker 5: A minus nineteen. It was the highest plus minus. He was the highest minus on theother night.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's just tough to overcome when you're look, Jackson Hayes, he can't play the problem myth is that you don't have no protection from the rim because Jackson Hayes can't play long enough. And the thing is is that they're little allowing Gobert to play twenty four to twenty five minutes and they got real protection. So if somebody beat somebody up there to dribble, you saw who's that? Daur you finished Smith and Rudy Gobert and said, let's never get that hold that right quick.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what you thought that. I don't know what you thought even if somebody told you. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: And like if Randall Randall Grinson like he's being like being a bulller and China shop like he really cause and happening down there because they too small to deal with him, Land Rudy, you know what I mean. And when he played random at the five, like he deadly at that position, you know, going out right, found creating, getting to the cup, getting fouls, going to the free throw line kind of get himself going, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But what I don't understand, Joe, I've never seen a left had.
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Speaker 2: The most lefties gonna go to that dominant hand.
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Speaker 1: If you think about all the lefties, you think about Julius Randall, think about James Harden, think about Marcelonas, think about any left or monogen nobly bro.
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Speaker 2: You know they want to go to that dominant hand. And they let random spend every time to the left, make it go right. Yeah, Yeah, And I get it. I get it. I get it, Joe. It's a lot easier said than done.
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Speaker 1: But you're not going to be I'm not going to allow you to beat me. If I'm a boxer, you might knock me out, but you ain't gonna knock me out with your dominant hand. Now, you might catch me with something I don't see, but it ain't gonna be your dominant one. So you might slip that upper cut on me. On Joe, or you you may hit me with the left hook. But if I know you gotta right, ain't gonna get you. Ain't gonna get me. So you know you want to get to that left hand. He wants to get there. I'm not letting him go. And then once he picks up his dribble and he fakes right, Okay, go ahead and go that way, but I'm not gonna let you fake me right, and I go flying out the sky like I'm like, I'm David Thompson.
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Speaker 2: They come back limp and lay it up. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. Joe. Yeah, am I wrong in that assessment?
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Speaker 5: Joe, Nah, You're not wrong, But like I said, it is a little harder than what you say. I mean, he's been ultra aggressive on he was nine to ten from the free throw line. He got your time, so yes, which lets me know. You know when he called, he took he took advantage of the mismatches. You know, he took advantage of being one of the bigger guys in the game at the time.
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Speaker 2: And uh, you know he's helping them.
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Speaker 5: Man, He's giving these guys wide open shots just by him being ultra aggressive like the on offense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm go ahead, don't Joe, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to look up, look at the staff because I don't really have it on my computer, Like I would at home.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and then the Lakers in trouble.
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Speaker 6: Hey Joe, Joe, the next game, the next game in a minute, in the minutes, he heyet ain't looking good.
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Speaker 2: We got this.
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Speaker 6: Look listen, Lebron like like Joe say, Lebron gonna have to score fifty. Luga has to. I'm sure if he had, you got a stumer tummy egg. I'm not sure what it is. Hopefully he's able to recover and come back to playing. How we know, how we know he can play? Austin Rids give us something like we did tonight. But when we got to show up, we got to show up. Uncus is it's not looking good?
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Speaker 1: Look I think for me, when I look, I'm looking at this, do I expect Lebron?
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Speaker 2: Can Lebron do it? Yes? I've seen him go thirty and forty and back to back game.
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Speaker 1: You're asking an awful lot because the next game is probably gonna be Sunday. So if if you think about it, think about the layoff that they had, they played and then now all of a sudden they get So he got two days off. So when you're older, you need more time to recover. Joe, you need more time to suit him. Send those stummer take boots. You need more time to sit that cold tub and now haunt in that red table. You need more of recovery. So I don't know how quick now. Look, I know immediately after this game he went straight to the locker room, putting them feet, putting them up, puppies in the coat, and the bucket of ice. He got ice bag on his knees, he got it on his back. So he's doing everything he possibly can to start the recovery process as soon as possible. But he is forty. He is there's no way around, there's no way to escape that. So I don't know if he's gonna be able to give you another virtue. Also, like he gave you the night, they really need Luca to play better than what he played.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully that bug.
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Speaker 1: Would be as a twenty four hour bug and it'll be socidy to be gone.
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Speaker 2: But I don't think if you think about it, they didn't play bad.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the total, because I mean I'm looking at Lebron, Lebron had what Lebron had thirty eight, Luca had seventeen.
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Speaker 2: That's fifty five, and Austin Reeves had twenty.
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Speaker 1: That's seventy seven point that No, but the problem is that you ran into Julianus Randall had twenty two. McDaniel's had thirty. That's fifty two. And then you compare that with the twenty nine. The ad man had you at eighty one and the auxiliary you got nine. From Mike Conley, you got eleven. You got ten, So we're gonna need We're gonna need. Okay, three, they sucked. They cancel each other out. Well, they got to have two other guys that go double figures. That means the Lakers is gonna have to have somebody that go double figures fifteen sixteen to offset what nobs read and what uh, who's at the Devin Cienzo what they gave you.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, they hear some shots. I mean Devin.
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Speaker 1: Cienzo hit a crossover cross finish, myth up made him touch earth and his step back and held the leg up. Mike Conley got a rebound, ran out and banked it. I don't know how he made it from how he banked that from that angle, Joe, I still don't know how he did it.
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Speaker 5: That's what the basketball guys, baby, he living right, you're living right. Hey, you're living right. Yeah, basketball guys, give you some grace. That's what That's why I said.
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Speaker 1: If you remember, and when they had COVID, he ended up winning the horse competition because he's at dextriss he could shoot either hand. Yeah, so if they would have a horse competition, I would probably pick my I would probably It'll be very interesting if Luca, uh, Mike Coley, and Steph Curry would enter it. It'll be very interesting because both all three of them can make some crazy, ridiculous ass shots.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do, man, they do. Uh. I'm gonna tell you something, Luca aar.
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Speaker 5: They're gonna have to get on the bandwagon with uh uh with broun Ojoe.
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Speaker 2: You know, like.
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Speaker 5: It's gonna take at least two of them to probably explode to you know, to get a game in Minnesota because they.
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Speaker 2: Seeking Luca every trip, bro.
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Speaker 5: So you got imagine that he got the ball in his hand on offense almost every play if Brin ain't got it, and then defensively it's like we're seeking, were seeking for you every play.
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Speaker 2: So he's having a lot of energy to.
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Speaker 5: You know, to to to be able to uh, you know, put his stemp on the game man.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, he got he's gonna have to step up.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think, Look, you gotta make him work because I'm not gonna let you. I'm not gonna let you rest on the defensive end so you can punish me and use all your all of your energy for offense. That's how you that's how you make an offensive player exert energy. You make him work on the defensive end. So hey, oh oh, you think you're gonna drop forty on me and coast on it end. No, you're not right, because I'm gonna try to give you thirty. I'm gonna try to make you exert energy. And now I'm gonna put your ass in the pick and roll. I'm gonna make you fight on the picks. I'm gonna tack you because I'm gonna make you exert burn some of that energy so you don't have as much on the other end.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Joe, I think.
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Speaker 1: And the thing is is that when you say go off, they need to go off in an efficient manner. You can't take twenty shots and make four and say well I had twenty five points.
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Speaker 2: That's not good. You need to go off like Lebron.
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Speaker 1: You need to go off in an efficient manner for it to mean something. And so I agree with you to think those two guys are Luke and Lebron probably need to team up for about in order for them to win this series. They're gonna that seventy seven was good, but they might need to be around the eighty five ninety between the between the three of them. Joe, So somebody gonna know a forty point, somebody gonna have to have a high twenty or low thirty, and the other guys's gonna have to be in the mid twenties in order for them become I can't count on the other guys that's gonna I can't go in and say, well, I know Finish Smith gonna give me twelve tonight, Well, Reui gonna probably give me sixteen.
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Speaker 2: I can't go in thinking that right right.
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Speaker 1: You know, we put a game play together, Oh, Joe, I was like, okay, oh, y're gonna give me his eight. Who's gonna give me probably five to six? Okay, I could correct rest this old Chris Henry. He probably gonna give me four. One's gonna probably be about thirty forty. So I can piscil day. I kind of know what I'm gonna get right outside of the outside of your top three.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what I'm gonna get from Ruin. I'm not sure.
00:24:07
Speaker 1: I'm not really counting on the whole lot of points from ban do I count maybe one three from Gabe Vistling.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm gonna get from anybody else.
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Speaker 1: And so it's hard because those guys go off, they can still possibly lose.
00:24:19
Speaker 2: But I know if those guys don't go off, they don't have a chance.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and listen, it's damn the just as three.
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Speaker 6: I want to say two man, because sometimes you know, res res can get hot.
00:24:31
Speaker 7: When reason was on, he's on. But I like Lebron's approach to the game tonight. He didn't. He didn't come out trying to facilitate.
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Speaker 6: He came out and established dominance early, which he didn't do in game two. Luca was on fire. He allowed Luca to stay in rhythm. But Lebron approached the game difference tonight. You know what, I'm gonna get myself a rhythm and let the game go. Let the game come to everybody else as it will, as it made Luca wasn't feeling well to night.
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Speaker 7: Something had to be wrong.
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Speaker 6: Whatever it is, they got to fix it for the next game, which is Sunday, right.
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Speaker 2: I think so, I think the next game is gonna be Sunday.
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Speaker 7: Oh Joe, yeah, this is the next game is Sunday.
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Speaker 6: I think I think it would be who Lebron to approach the game this same manner and being very aggressive. Early in the game, I think he had sixteen, but in the second quarter something like that, he had twelve Lebron.
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Speaker 1: Lebron had fourteen, He had fourteen, He had fourteen in the second. He had six in the first, fourteen in the second he didn't. He was like, okay, I think, I think, oh Joe, he might have had five seven, might have had like seven.
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Speaker 2: In the second and the third quarter.
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Speaker 1: And then he caught had back to back three that it looked like he was about to let a number one because Luca got to pass up to him in a hurry and he just fumbled it. And then the next thing you know, they come back down because when he smoked that layup, they hit a three. Then he fumbled the ball and then they come back and he'd they get enough they get it so that those are swings and points and in momentum when you do things like that, and you know it normally happens like that, Joe, you smoke one on one end, they come back and get points on the other end. Yep, you turned them all over and now they right back at you and you kitchen. Yep, you got take care of the rock man, especially in the playoffs. You know every position, you know it's valuable.
00:26:06
Speaker 5: But here's my thing. You got and man ain't even shoot no free throws at night. Man, he's still ain't.
00:26:13
Speaker 2: To me.
00:26:13
Speaker 5: He had twin nine to night, but he still ain't had one of them games, one of them signature games. You know, I think I'm looking for him to go out about forty forty five, Oh Joe, hearman.
00:26:22
Speaker 1: Hop open So yeah, because if he goes for forty five, Jay and Daniel's not gonna get twenty two shots.
00:26:27
Speaker 2: So I hope you're right. I hope you're right. Now. It may be okay, it might be one of them.
00:26:31
Speaker 5: Official when you know, he was the best three point shooter in the NBA this year.
00:26:35
Speaker 2: He was fine.
00:26:35
Speaker 1: We had the most, Yeah, he had the most threes. He wasn't the best. He had the most threes. Listen, he was five for ten from the three to night. He's shooting at three ball now. Yeah, but if you think about it, McDaniel with thirteen or twenty two, uh, twelve or twenty six, I can live with that. But he got he made about three in that fourth quarter. He made some threes in the fourth that kind of that bay just lkay, the game's over. And that's what you do. You want the closer, you want your clothing. When he come in Mo Rivera. When the Yankees got to the night, sometimes he got a four out saved, but most of the time, ojo. When they open that bullpen in the ninth Inny and they say end of the same man, and he come by that thing, and you know, he got one pitch and all he throwt is that cut fanstball that cut him. He go, that's my clothes, and that's what you want. You want your closer. I will put them all in your hands, delivered, get us this win. He's putting the ball in that man's hand. And he made every right play. He hit the open guy or he finished at the rim. So I cannot complain about you know, they had a lead. Cause look the Laker like, Okay, we're gonna make your y'all. Hearn this one close ball game? What did they do three? Instead of being now you're up five?
00:27:52
Speaker 2: What he do again?
00:27:53
Speaker 1: He come back two point another three? Give it to me, Give it to me, now come on, now come. I'll be waiting for it, I mean wait for Yeah. So I cannot complain because a man did it what we're supposed to do.
00:28:05
Speaker 2: Uh.
00:28:06
Speaker 1: And and I'm thinking, if you're a coach, you are jj reddick, Joe, you ain't thinking Jay McDaniels about to give you a thirty bomb? You, Joe, you ain't thinking. No, no, give me give me the stats. How many times did j McDaniels have thirty in the season. This is a career high for him. It was a career high, folks.
00:28:25
Speaker 5: It was a correct But listen, when you got your when you got your main guy and man pushing for him, pushing him for his coach star, you know, feeding that confidence into him like that, like he gonna perform like this.
00:28:36
Speaker 2: You know he gonna have some some some career high games. I'm looking for him to have another one. I'm not.
00:28:44
Speaker 1: I was gonna I'm gonna be I'm gonna be honest with you. He's a starter, but he's a role player, and role players that I will. I can see this. They normally play better at home. Yeah, yo yo yo, you oh Joe, your third point receivers. They normally play back at home crime backing them as opposed on the road. And so we understand guys are very familiar in the environment. Got no problem with that. But I'm not counting on him to give me another thirty piece. Uh, Julius random, Look like you said, he's the bulldog. You're asking an awful lot because you don't really because if you asked Lebron to bang with you basically the whole night, he ain't gonna be getting nothing on offense, not that point, not the bank, not the bang, the bank, because Julius trying to bang. Listen, It's that's why you had them little mishaps at the end of the game. Mislay up, just a fumble of the bottle because I knew when if he had caught that bob, he probably gonna let it ride for three Yeah.
00:29:41
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah yeah yeah.
00:29:43
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's smoked. He's supposed to do that one. He like, man, I ain't even get I ain't got it. Hey, I got I ain't even got it in me tonight. But uh I thought, I thought, look you could we can sit here and say, yeah, they missed too many free throws. Yes, they turned the ball over, but somebody forced those turnovers. Now, the misfree throws that you just missed, that's a lack of concentration. Now you can't miss six free throws in the first half. You can't because now you're trying to stretch the lead. But those turnovers, some of them, I mean Luca dribbed the ball off the back of half, the back of his foot, Rudy Gobert snatched, Rudy, Rudy Gobert took the ball out your hand. Luca really him down, he wanted him.
00:30:29
Speaker 5: And three, you know, from you picking up from game one, picking up the energy, eir for making him work on both fans of the floor at some point. This is the plan is to wear him down to where he make those mental type of mistakes, and you know it helps the Timberwolves.
00:30:43
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what's been happening. That was, that's that's that's that's how you have to do it. I mean, you got a guy like Luca, He's immenstally confident. He sees a couple go in, now he's gonna start. He'll go like, okay, okay, okay, I got it. But and then and the thing is with him, if you watch him, he could miss three or four threes and then he'll go on the hot stretch and he'll make four or four. The shot that he hit on Julius Redder, he had no shot. He had no business making that, man, I don't know what first of all, don't know why he took it. Listen, m all make it. It was some elite shot making. I'm talking about tonight. I'm talking about them dudes was making some tough shots.
00:31:19
Speaker 2: Bro.
00:31:20
Speaker 5: This is why we watched man, the game was. It was definitely fun to watch the night. Them dudes compete at a super high level, which is why we're starting to deal with a lot of these injuries in.
00:31:29
Speaker 2: This postseason too.
00:31:30
Speaker 5: By the way, Yeah, guys are playing hard, man and you having these freak freak accidents.
00:31:36
Speaker 2: Man, you know, one little injury could could you know? Drail? Some teams playoff.
00:31:41
Speaker 3: Host, you know what I mean, You're you're you're right, And I think the thing is is that got First of all, the Lakers are really challenged defensively because you got a forty one year old guy that was an All NBA player, but he can't move like he once could.
00:31:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, Luca and aar they're not good defensive place players. So you got three guys really that are not defended. First of all, when you put those guys out there, Ruin is not known as a defender. That's not what he's good at. During your Phinnish Smith is okay. I wouldn't say he's an elite defender, but I think he's okay, he's adequate. So you got a bunch of guys. You got a bunch of guys that don't defend at a high level and they can't protect one another. Right, So now I don't got no look when I'm puting Lebron at the five, Yeah he is back like the fence runt he Ruin on rud playing the five. Whomever four or five doesn't matter. Yeah, cause heyse, when.
00:32:33
Speaker 5: A man come through that, it's old lady, old lad, he coming to that.
00:32:37
Speaker 1: You ain't to put me on your card, your car, damn your poster, because don't know what to buy a poster no more, they got cards. They got it, So you're not finn have man signing signing over the top of Mike.
00:32:46
Speaker 2: Listen, I can't believe you. Look at Joe with that man all the way't.
00:32:49
Speaker 5: Even thinking about look trim, Hey, I tried.
00:32:54
Speaker 2: You know, in the playoffs, Joe, you do things you don't normally do. Right now, Old Joe, you know what I'm saying. You go over with the middle.
00:33:00
Speaker 1: Damn, that's really hot, but I got to give it an effort. No, don't feel Hey, Joe, you don't.
00:33:06
Speaker 2: You don't.
00:33:06
Speaker 8: You're gonna get blowed up like damn. Hey, how fought you back? How about you back there? I can't, Joe, I'm looking like that.
00:33:18
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, okay, Hey, look I would have been already on that block over them for he even went baseline, just to let him know, don't even come this week. I'm cutting out. Let that man come Baseline, boy. I know you.
00:33:30
Speaker 2: I knew it was over with.
00:33:32
Speaker 1: Oh hey, I gotta catch it on Joe. Hey, you just I'm gonna catch it running on away with you. You ain't gonna jump you dunk it on't be you i'mnna run down away with you.
00:33:43
Speaker 2: What you doing?
00:33:44
Speaker 1: Hey, you're not finn put me on You're not finna put me on?
00:33:47
Speaker 2: No poster.
00:33:47
Speaker 5: Don't nobody want that smoke when that young boy comes.
00:33:50
Speaker 2: No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not fitna be on your highlight. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not.
00:33:55
Speaker 3: I'm not.
00:33:56
Speaker 2: Uh your game for it Sunday? Uh, probably no, it's not.
00:34:01
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the it's probably gonna be the late game, Probably gonna be late game? What type? What type? What time do they play as? Actually gonna look up the time they probably what you thinking, Joe, you think they're gonna be what the third game?
00:34:17
Speaker 2: You're gonna be prime time they playing? And member, I don't think.
00:34:20
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be prime time because uh who Uh, it's gonna be the second game, the freak.
00:34:27
Speaker 2: Three thirty game.
00:34:27
Speaker 1: It is, it is, it's not, well, I guess five thirty would be considered prime, but it's it's it's gonna be it's gonna be ABC game.
00:34:36
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well yeah, because you.
00:34:37
Speaker 1: Got at Maddy Luca, because ain't nobody, ain't nobody else got stars like that. You got man, you got Luca, you got Brown. Ain't nobody else got three superstars playing like that. Not Boston, uh not not uh Indie Milwaukee, not the Knicks, and and and and Detroit. So nobody has what they have. Okay, So New York Detroit is the ten a m Gay Lakers, Minnesota twelve thirty, and then you got Boston Orlando huh, which means it's one one one. It's what you're looking at it as you're looking at it at specific time. But no, it's one o'clock, and then's the three thirty game, and then you got the uh, the seven, and then you got the six thirty games. So uh, it's gonna be We're gonna they gonna bounce back. I like, hey, I'm not over the concerned. I'm not over concerned. I love I love I love the confidence. I love the confidence. I love the confidence that you have in your Lakers.
00:35:39
Speaker 7: I like it.
00:35:40
Speaker 2: Yeah we have.
00:35:41
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a very interesting, a very different conversation on Sunday night, Joe.
00:35:46
Speaker 2: They aren't worry. Hey, they got they need to win Game four. We gonna win. Hey, nonna need you eat? Uh one? Okay?
00:35:54
Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, hey now you know you saw you saw just a sample of what gold James is cable love, you just saw a sample.
00:36:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what they could do.
00:36:05
Speaker 6: Okay, hold on, hold all on, matter of fact, matter of fact, how confident are.
00:36:08
Speaker 1: You getting my money? Because you tell you're gonna have my money in Green Bay? All off scale of one to ten, scale of one to ten. How confident are you in the Lakers winning game? Winning winning game?
00:36:19
Speaker 7: Folk?
00:36:20
Speaker 2: Say four five.
00:36:23
Speaker 7: On the scale of one to ten point five.
00:36:26
Speaker 5: It courl that, hey, you some of them provided you was talking aboudy, you better send them some of them in the game.
00:36:34
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, Lucas, you know I look, excuse me.
00:36:43
Speaker 1: Before we get to the rest of these NBA games, we gotta start to talk about what happened. Not only yesterday last night, Oh Joe, you and I were at lambeau Field for the first round round, but today rounds two and three has passed and should door Sanders hasn't been selected. One hundred and two pigs five quarterbacks elected cam Ward cam Ward.
00:37:06
Speaker 2: With number one overall. No surprise there.
00:37:08
Speaker 1: We knew that once they had he had his workout, they they canceled all other official visits that told me everything I needed to know. Boom now, Jackson Dark, Tyler Shuck, Jaylen Milroe, Dylan Gabriel. Now for for context, I want to provide contacts, oh Joe, because that's what we like to do. Yeah, Daniel Jeremiah had Shaduur the second ranked quarterback.
00:37:34
Speaker 2: Four days ago. Cam Ward was the eighth overall best player.
00:37:38
Speaker 1: Shaduur was the twentieth best overall player, Jackson Dark the thirty sixth overall best player, Tyler Shuck seventy fifth overall best player, Jalen Miroe eighty sixth.
00:37:50
Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel won forty eight. Mel Kiper Junior.
00:37:55
Speaker 1: The Guru just four days ago had Shaduur ranked over cam Ward. He had shr Door as the fifth best player, cam Ward as the sixth best player. Jackson Dark at the twenty eight the best player, Tyler Shook forty six. Pro Football Focus had him second behind cam Ward just yesterday morning.
00:38:15
Speaker 2: But we saw today cam Warden cam Ward went first.
00:38:22
Speaker 1: The Giants traded back into the first round on show to take Jackson Dark. In twenty fifth Tyler Shook with forty to the Saints, and we thought Bear Shoulder could possibly be nine, go nine to the Saints.
00:38:34
Speaker 2: Bear.
00:38:35
Speaker 1: No, they take Tyler Shuk Jalen Milroe ninety second overall to the Seattle Seahawks and Dylan Gabriel ninety.
00:38:43
Speaker 2: Fourth to the Browns.
00:38:45
Speaker 1: Now we were there were talking about well, Shador Arm, you know you're outside of Cleveland and then you got not not not not.
00:38:52
Speaker 7: Don't start that shit.
00:38:53
Speaker 2: No, no, just give me some I'm gonna tell you.
00:38:56
Speaker 1: Let me give me a second on Joe Baltimore outside Pittsburgh, got Cincinnati, Cleveland. I don't see what Dylan Gabriel arm is any stronger than your doors. I could be wrong. I could be I could be, but I don't know. And I know I'm gonna turn it over you owe Joe, because I know Joe got questions, I'm gonna turn over you.
00:39:17
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this before I do O Joe.
00:39:19
Speaker 1: In all my years that I go back to, like really following the draft and understanding where players are going getting drafted back in eighty seven and almost forty years, I've never seen anything like this.
00:39:30
Speaker 7: Yeah, uncle, I've never seen nothing like this myself. Obviously. I know I only played a short time, but I've been around long.
00:39:37
Speaker 6: Enough to know obviously the year that the eleven twelve years I did play, and all the time i've been I've been retired and enjoying the game and watching it from afar and understanding how player, how good players are regards to what scouts may say, the iron the sky doesn't lie. I washed the door play from high school to college in Jackson State to what he was able to do at Colorado.
00:40:00
Speaker 7: I want everybody to understand that you're never biggot in the program. You'll never be bigger than the program, no matter who you are, and they will show you.
00:40:12
Speaker 6: They will always remind you at any given time if at any point you think you are bigger than the program.
00:40:19
Speaker 7: And that is all we seeing.
00:40:20
Speaker 6: That's all we're seeing right now, Joe Unk, that is always seeing right now regards to who you are. There's some things I think Prime might have said. I don't want to quote it, but he would.
00:40:30
Speaker 7: He where he said. It's similar to.
00:40:34
Speaker 2: We're gonna go, we go what.
00:40:36
Speaker 6: Archie Manning said when it came to Eli. Same thing, no different anyway. I got something today I really want to read.
00:40:44
Speaker 2: Chat.
00:40:45
Speaker 6: I want you to listen to me real quick. I'm not here to store up. I'm happy for everybody that got drafted. I want you to listen to something that was sent that was sent to me on Instagram chat. Y'all stay with me real quick and just listen to me very very closely.
00:40:58
Speaker 2: Uncle.
00:41:00
Speaker 6: What we were winnising once again is the machinery of a system that is never quite known what to do with a free black man, much less than a free black family. The NFL, with all this pageantry and power, finds itself uncomfortable, even threatened, when it likes of the Sanders family walk into a room, not asking for seat of the table, but daring to bring their own dion shador. This family has refused to shrink to fit the confines laid out for them, and so the machine does what it has always done. It seems to diminish, to distort, to remind them and us that there are still a place for black folk, and is not at the head of the table but the tragedy, you see, it's not in their refusal to bow, but it is in the nation's sphere of black excellence unchained. The fear that has always been the real danger, not the power of our stride, but the shadow we cast when we stand upright, unafraid and unapologetically ourselves.
00:42:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was talking. I was talking to my sister. She said, well you thanks your door. I said, Libby, I'm gonna be honest with you. If he don't go in the second round, I think he might slide out of the third.
00:42:23
Speaker 7: Bunks all the games.
00:42:25
Speaker 1: It's all look your dress, your draft story. My brother's draft story was a lot different than mine. My brother didn't have to wait first round, seventh pick on a plane, on the plane, the Green Bay boom you second round? Hey, hold with with with red, flash with with with with character issues, school to school, bounce from over and over?
00:42:50
Speaker 2: Why do you go here? Why do you go here?
00:42:54
Speaker 1: Bad?
00:42:55
Speaker 2: Still?
00:42:55
Speaker 6: Second round? We're taking a chance on him. There ain't no no off the field issue is what you do? No issue, no nothing. Oh he's always cocky. I have a question women, John Woben, Johnny Manziel, cocky.
00:43:08
Speaker 2: Oh, give you one better. What was Baker?
00:43:11
Speaker 7: What was Baker Mayfield? What was Baker Mayfield?
00:43:14
Speaker 6: Okay, now, now now what I will say when it comes to college and you watch film that motherfucker.
00:43:19
Speaker 7: IM sorry, Johnny Manziel and Baker Mayfield? What they played?
00:43:23
Speaker 1: What.
00:43:23
Speaker 6: They were absolutely awesome. But again, you can't take away what Shad was able to do. At a Denmer, Colorado team that won one game, they come back the next year with Shador win for what.
00:43:39
Speaker 2: And then the next year I think they went nine. Yeah I heard what? Did I hear you?
00:43:43
Speaker 1: I heard someone says that his confidence doesn't match your game. So, in other words, he does a lot of talking and his game is not indicative of the type of bravado what mm hmm?
00:43:57
Speaker 5: Hey, okay, oh Joe, So yeah, question is do y'all even think he'll get drafted at this point? I mean, what we do? We do three rounds already? Oh Lord, have mercy, Joe. I mean, look, definite. I started to think about it. I'm like, hold on, I'm only watching. I'm trying to see two get drafted. I'm like, hol you know, I'm hoping. I'm hoping. I'm hoping he goes in the fourth round. Because, okay, let me ask you this.
00:44:26
Speaker 1: Teams that needed a quarterback, what do they do they took a quarterback in the second or the third round. Yeah, if you already took a quarterback in the second or third round, what the likely lot you're taking a quarterback into four, fifth, sixth, or seventh round.
00:44:37
Speaker 6: All right, So now you tell Now you're telling me the people that you did pick in the second and third round you feel they're better than your door. So at what point does it come on a team as I'm not even gonna mention anything about free agency.
00:45:00
Speaker 7: What if they prove a point in making way to the seven?
00:45:03
Speaker 2: It is possible, Joe? What what?
00:45:05
Speaker 1: What?
00:45:06
Speaker 7: What point are they trying to prove?
00:45:07
Speaker 6: Especially at this point, Joe, I've never seen I've never ever seen anything like this.
00:45:12
Speaker 7: I'm not talking about I'm not talking about black and white. I ain't talk about none of that. I'm talking about based on what I've seen.
00:45:16
Speaker 6: On film with my own eyes, where he was red the other quarterbacks compared to other quarterbacks outside of camboard.
00:45:24
Speaker 7: What are we looking at?
00:45:25
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not a scout, I'm not a GM, but I do have conversations. I do understand and know the game. You're not telling me everybody that had drafted before him? What are we talking about it?
00:45:38
Speaker 7: Again? I'm happy for everybody that got draft.
00:45:40
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying we're not trying to diminish anybody.
00:45:45
Speaker 1: We're trying to make sense of what we're seeing with your door, because I think the thing of what was O Joe, if there was an injury that we didn't know about, we saw will will hire the cornerback out of what you call him. He had a propicity when they gave him a scare. They say he has a high risk for knee injury, so he slid down. Okay, if there's a red flag that we don't know about, but I don't the guy got great. He was on the I think the honor roll. I think you have a great GPA. He's never been in trouble. The numbers speak for themselves. So for me to see a guy rated this high with no issues, that's what's puzzling. Look Like I said, O Joe, you and I don't know, excuse me what those thirty two teams and how they view him. You know, they say beauty is in the eye to be older. You think that's good. I don't think that bad. You right like red, I like black, You like this, I like that.
00:46:44
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
00:46:45
Speaker 1: I don't know based on the rankings of all these people that get paid to do this, and if their paion is subjective, But nobody. I don't think anybody really has your door pay cam Ward's, like mel Kiper has, should do it one. As far as quarterback, most everybody had him two behind cam Ward.
00:47:09
Speaker 2: But to see this precipitous fall, this precipitous drop.
00:47:14
Speaker 1: And guys, I mean some guys had Dylan Gabriel uh when they had the ranked the one hundred and forty eight best player, Mel Road the eighty six best best player, Kyler Shilk seventy fifth, should do it. Almost never got past the twentieth best player in the draft. He was twentieth on some people's board. He was the fifth best player on some people's board. And he's he's a Day three possible. Well that well that it's day three, so you get one, two, and then you go, you know, around four through seven.
00:47:47
Speaker 6: Listen, I've never seen I've never seen collusion like this before ever.
00:47:52
Speaker 7: I've never seen it.
00:47:54
Speaker 2: And you know what it is.
00:47:56
Speaker 6: Let's call the spade the spade for those that are watching, for those that in his chat. I'm not saying it is anything wrong with those that were drafted before him. I'm just saying, based on my knowledge of the game and understanding of football and what I've watched throughout the years, especially from.
00:48:09
Speaker 7: That specific position.
00:48:11
Speaker 6: Now, the only thing I can say, the only red flag for them, it's his approach to the game and is confidence. I'm assuming that they don't like that, But how do you not want a player to feel the way he feels? How do you not want a player that believes in himself, in his skill set and what he's done and works his ass off to get to that could do the only thing, But that can't be a bad thing because there have been other players that have come before him that approach the same game, but that same demeanor, insame, attitude and belief similar to him.
00:48:38
Speaker 7: So to me, it really makes no sense.
00:48:40
Speaker 6: But again nothing and they will always time and time remind us in certain instances.
00:48:46
Speaker 7: That you will never be bigger than the machine or the program.
00:48:49
Speaker 2: And that's all this is.
00:48:50
Speaker 7: That's all that comes down.
00:48:51
Speaker 5: And it could be it could be a good thing for him too, you know what I mean, if he do get an opportunity.
00:48:58
Speaker 2: On his shoulder. Man, You know what I mean?
00:49:01
Speaker 5: Yeah, for all the dollars, and they say it is the people who didn't believe in the teams who continue to pass up on him.
00:49:07
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. You use that firing desire when you touch the field, bro, you know, you let him know what's up. So I don't know.
00:49:14
Speaker 1: It could be a blessing in the sky tom Brady, but people that were tom Brady went to win the sixth round.
00:49:20
Speaker 2: But tom Brady wasn't as rated as high as your door.
00:49:23
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was a backup basically his whole career except the last six seven games of his senior season, right, So that's the difference.
00:49:30
Speaker 2: And like I said, tom Brady turned out to be what tom Brady turned out to be.
00:49:34
Speaker 1: I had a very similar story to your door because people like, well if he was that good, why didn't he go to a D one school?
00:49:40
Speaker 2: Well, with my grades, I couldn't. I couldn't.
00:49:43
Speaker 1: I couldn't have got into Juco only place how you get into because there was no there was no you know, you didn't have to have the same standardized testing grade to get into a Division two school as you did a Division one because my year old Joe nineteen eighty six, it would have it.
00:49:58
Speaker 2: That was the first year prop forty eight, So you had to make seven hundred.
00:50:03
Speaker 1: Remember I told you my credits called by folk yeah, that was also about sat score folk. Now they give you a hundred to put your name on the thank I don't know. I might have got that roll, Joe. I might have left y'all. I might have left y'all for my own name.
00:50:16
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
00:50:17
Speaker 5: I'm not going Joe, Hey, don't hold it to that, now, don't hold me. I'm laughing with you because I was a PROBA when I went to college too. I didn't have my acord, and uh, you know it was challenging, bro.
00:50:28
Speaker 7: You know, I we dont we ain't take the SA team.
00:50:31
Speaker 2: We took the A C.
00:50:32
Speaker 1: And you know back then on Joe, you know, I played the game that I played the game that Friday night, and then I my sister, my sister, Yeah, my sister drive me to Georgia Southern to take that test, the test, and I'm looking at all these students they right, I'm just sitting there like I don't know nothing on here.
00:50:52
Speaker 7: Listen. You know it's like, listen, I ain't even I ain't even got no business laughing.
00:50:56
Speaker 6: I don't even have no business laughter, because you gotta understand, I had my I had my red flags and my character issues going to the League because of my reason for bouncing around from school to school. You gotta understand, I graduated from beach Eie hell. I didn't even graduated from goddamn high school.
00:51:09
Speaker 1: A time.
00:51:10
Speaker 7: Mcgrave was so bad. Listen, Joe, Joe, I swore for God. Listen.
00:51:14
Speaker 2: We family were.
00:51:17
Speaker 1: Family.
00:51:18
Speaker 7: My dream, my dream was I wanted to go to fam you. So I'm coming out of high school.
00:51:23
Speaker 6: I told my grandma and said, Mama, I want to go down to family, right down and tell lassy. My grandma said, listen, baby, it ain't looking good for you. There's nothing to go with you. I'm gonna give you officers on where you might be able to go, but it definitely able to be fam you.
00:51:35
Speaker 7: I ended up. I ended up at Langston University, NI a school. Obviously.
00:51:39
Speaker 6: I'm sure we have some people in the chat from from Oklahoma. Ended up at LANs University. Getting there the first semester, I get thrown out for fighting. I get thrown out for I get I get thrown up a fight. Man, I'll never forget. Rest is soul. Doctor Ernest Holloway, Rest in Peace shipped me back to Miami. I come to my grandma. I told my Grandma, what happened? Look, you know my roommate. I think my roommate stole my parel grand money, my grandma. Say listen, baby, I've done all I can with you. I wash my hands, I gotta sing you. I gotta sing you to you by my da inn La.
00:52:10
Speaker 7: Let me see what she could do with you. That's how I ended up.
00:52:13
Speaker 6: That's how I ended up at Sala Monica College nineteen ninety seven with Steve Smith Boom.
00:52:18
Speaker 7: That's two years down. So I played with Sea that first year.
00:52:22
Speaker 2: Long.
00:52:22
Speaker 6: Behold, here I go again, not going to class. I'm thinking, you know, I'm a skill set. It's gonna get me through the door man.
00:52:29
Speaker 7: And people don't play that. They don't play that. Damn Santa Monica.
00:52:31
Speaker 6: Oh no, hey, Joe, I'm I'm ineligible the third year, so I got to sit out the third year.
00:52:37
Speaker 7: So that's three years down. I'm at Southwest doing classes.
00:52:40
Speaker 6: I'm at West l A doing classes, and I'm doing classes as Santa Monica just to get my grades together so I could play in nineteen ninety nine. That's four years. I go out there, I get my stuff together. I have one for one scholarship. I had two schools off me a full ride, one for one San Diego State Aztecs and coach Dennis Erickson.
00:53:00
Speaker 7: He was at Oregon State.
00:53:01
Speaker 1: Man.
00:53:01
Speaker 7: I hey, Joe, I squeezed to the crack I got. I got to Oregon State.
00:53:06
Speaker 6: Man all I needed, Joe, I just needed to be on the big stage, just to show them folks I could play.
00:53:12
Speaker 2: That's it.
00:53:13
Speaker 1: Well.
00:53:14
Speaker 6: Once I got to Oregon State, man I play. I was there four months. I ain't gole the man class. I ain't going to new classes. Yeah, this is my last shot. My singular focus were straight football. Hey, Joe, I showed out at Organ State that little what that little four months I had?
00:53:31
Speaker 7: Man, I got drafted in the second round.
00:53:33
Speaker 6: Despite all my issues, with all my troubles, all my off the field stuff, I ain't look bad.
00:53:39
Speaker 1: They say, well, uh uh uh uh uh Shannanda your grades where the rest of them? I say, these aren't looking too good. And the ones that's coming to min ain't gonna look much better. So I don't know, Joe, I don't know, y'all. Hop that's all I got for it. Hey, this is my friend. Hey, look by Pristvie. Year in college? Oh, Joe, ug got problem for they, so I couldn't play the first semester. Yeah, it's a freshman.
00:54:06
Speaker 2: I can go to the games.
00:54:07
Speaker 5: I gotta sit in the stands. I gotta watch the dude, I gotta watch my homies.
00:54:10
Speaker 2: Grind out there. You know what I mean.
00:54:12
Speaker 5: I can't compete, I'm like, so it built up of firing me. So when I did get eligible, I just took it out on everybody in the SEC, Bro, you know what I mean. So, yeah, you know, sometimes sometimes when things get delayed a little bit, you know, you can you can must up some fire to continue.
00:54:28
Speaker 1: You can must up some fireer when you get out there, you can let him know what's up, you know what I mean? And yes, for sure, that's why when it goes back to shador Man, uh, you know, wherever he goes, Bro, I'm sure he'll be happy and hopefully with that chip Man, let him know what's up, you know, pus, get back in the get back in the lab.
00:54:46
Speaker 2: You're absolutely.
00:54:47
Speaker 6: And the funny thing about it too, wherever Shadur come, wherever he goes.
00:54:53
Speaker 7: I love the saying it's not where you get drafted, it's what you do once you do there.
00:55:00
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and understand the competitor. I understand the competitor that he is and where he goes whoever and wherever he goes. If it's if it's a team that doesn't have one of the elite superstar quarterbacks, his competitive nature is gonna kick in and there's a chance that he can beat those quarterbacks out despite whatever odds or collusion they have against Dad. When he gets a chance, he gonna show him. I know that, just the competitor in him. He's not gonna he's not gonna. I'm not gonna hold his head. He's not gonna let it down. He just wants that opportunity. And once they open that door, and he closed it behind him, after playing after after they playing the game, they played.
00:55:44
Speaker 7: These plays two days, man child please man.
00:55:48
Speaker 1: Yeah from like I said, ont you, I went through something very similar. And I just remember having a conversation with my brother who came in there that night when I didn't go in the first three rounds, and I say bad. I went to the East West Shrine game. I went to the Blue Gray, I went to the I went to the Combine. I said, Man, them guys that they drafted ain't better than me. I said, they're not better than me. Spank, I said, I saw up, I see all of them.
00:56:11
Speaker 2: I said.
00:56:11
Speaker 1: I went to the East West Shrine game, and I was the best receiver there, I said, I said, I said.
00:56:17
Speaker 2: All I want is an opportunity.
00:56:19
Speaker 1: Give me a give me a helmet and some shoulder pass and hey, whoever comes, Hey, I'm gonna throw all y'all ass in the water. Whoever swell back to shore, that's who get it. Yeah, I like that, that's it, Like, hold on and what about the reports? What about the reports?
00:56:35
Speaker 6: Now this is happened. Multiple players have done this. He didn't throw at the combine.
00:56:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he but he threw. But he threw at his pro date. Yeah.
00:56:44
Speaker 1: There have been a lot of guys that don't throw. Because I want to throw. I want to throw the guys that's familiar with me. I'm familiar with them because if a guy, you're not gonna bring a guy in on a Sunday. And he hadn't thrown to those guys. So I wanted, you know, hey, I want to see how I know how my guy run routes. They know how I throw the ball.
00:57:03
Speaker 2: Boom. It's a perfect marriage.
00:57:04
Speaker 1: Because I want everybody to look good and possibly, oh Joe, there might be some guys if I don't throw with my pro day. If I don't throw, guess what this s guy's not gonna come to see them because everybody's not gonna be a first join second round pick. Might be some guys getting picked up as a free agent, so I want to cast shot, cast them any good light. Yeah, I just look, it's tough and nothing when you're going through something. Yeah, people that you're gonna be already a at this point, at that point in time, Ojoe, you ain't really trying to hear that because you can't see.
00:57:38
Speaker 2: All I can see was what's in front of me.
00:57:41
Speaker 1: Because it takes a special type of a person to see beyond their circumstances.
00:57:50
Speaker 2: All I can see is right here. No, not where I wish to be, not where I'm going to be.
00:57:58
Speaker 1: Because that's why a lot of people make decisions based on where they are currently, not where they wish to be.
00:58:07
Speaker 2: It's tough. It's tough.
00:58:09
Speaker 1: Uh. And I heard what you said, and you know, and like I said, I heard people say, well, I mean he really extremely confidence, but his game doesn't match the confidence coach prime. Wait, look, and I don't know if anybody that's selected now was even in the NFL or selected or in a position uh when Prime was there. So I don't know how I wouldn't You know, guys say I don't. I don't want to make this team's gonna Oh yo, you and I played this game, when we've covered this game, and we've been around this game along time. These teams gonna do it the hell they want to do now they don't y'all, y'all, they gonna make them have have this guy quarterback on how this guy is a coach.
00:58:50
Speaker 2: We gonna do what the health we want to do.
00:58:53
Speaker 1: They're gonna select who they want to select who they and they believe the Hey, we believe the guy, and they'll tell you, we believe dealing Rooks is better than you do it. We believe Jackson Dark, we believe Shook, we believe mill Rope, we believe their upside is better than your doer. How do how do we prove that that's not? I mean, y Dylan Gabriel did throw for had like one hundred and fifty. I mean, he got what sixteen seventeen thousand yards? He got one hundred and thirty hundred and forty plus tendown. I don't know, but I'm just saying it's.
00:59:33
Speaker 2: I just I don't know what chat.
00:59:36
Speaker 1: I'm at a lost I normally would it be able to have give you a good give you a good excuse or good reason. I don't like to use the word excuse. I would like to give you a reason why I think a person or a player slid. I have some intel red flags, even though I wouldn't tell you exactly, but I would, you know, hint around and then I'll let you deduce it for yourself.
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Speaker 2: Oh, y'all, don't got nothing. I don't got nothing that. It's not about grades.
01:00:04
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a pre existing condition, he doesn't have oh the character issue that he has.
01:00:09
Speaker 2: He's extremely confident.
01:00:11
Speaker 1: He believes in himself, which is I think that one of the most important things you can have as an athlete is confidence of believe in you, because if you don't believe in you, who the hell else will?
01:00:18
Speaker 2: Joe Nobody? Yeah, you always got to believe in yourself. Man, the uthermodes.
01:00:25
Speaker 1: All those all those days when I was training alone, wasn't nobody there, No coaches saw it, no other players.
01:00:31
Speaker 2: I did this, I believe.
01:00:32
Speaker 1: To me, I believe that I was preparing for something greater even though the circumstances that I was in currently. Look, and I mean it should tell you something. Yes, his dad gave him great opportunity, great coaches. He you know, he was with Braid and he had a throwing coaching, whatever the case may be. And that what they're supposed to do put the kids in the best situation so they can succeed. So why would I if I had the opportunity to put my kids in a situation that I think will enhance them or help them succeed. Nah, I'm not gonna do that. I want you to get it out of the mud like I did. What kind of sense does that make?
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Speaker 7: M H None at all?
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Speaker 6: Man, So listen, listen you if you don't need twenty twenty Vision and those in the chat, even if you don't like shrdor those in the chat, even if you don't like Prime, if you have common sense and you've been watching and seeing what's going on, you know what it is that at this point you know exactly what it is. I mean, it doesn't need to be said. Even if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before. If you feel the players that have gotten drafted before, sha door that at the quarterback position, even if you feel they're better.
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Speaker 7: Even if you do, you still know what it is.
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Speaker 6: And if you don't, you just being purposely you purposely being naive based on a personal vendetta that you might have against you know, the sayings family, this is never ever, ever, ever ever been done, and people saying and people saying he's not good and he can play at the next level, like stop, man, stop. You know, quarterback is one of the hardest positions to find, which is why some teams haven't had success in eons.
01:02:14
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, he come on now should he even got frank called by someone pretending to be from an NFL team and said, have to wait a little longer.
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Speaker 2: Man, whoever did this? Man?
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Speaker 1: Y'all, y'all, y'all have some clowns. Bro, Man, I don't even know why, y'all. I don't even know why you would do that. I mean, at that moment, guy's on edge and you're just hoping that you get a call. I mean that's I mean, that's the call you're really hoping that you get. Obviously you want to get it as early as you possibly can. But just and then somebody playing on the phone. Really, guys, come on man. Sean pay says, he's very surprised the doer hasn't been drafted yet. There'll be this chip on the shoulder. There'll be this chip on the shoulder. And beware, because this guy is gonna play in this league. Shoulders in good spirits after not get it drafted in day two. God don't make mistakes. I got faith in God no matter what. Yeah, check this out. Scholarship was justin Herbert's backup. He's eight days older than Trevor. Lawrence was a freshman at Oregon with Bo Bow. He turns twenty six when the season starts, and he's had three seasons that ended an injury. So now you're talking about Ojoe. Remember I said, does he have an injury history?
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Speaker 2: Does he have red flags that we don't know about?
01:03:44
Speaker 1: Right, here's a guy that's about to be twenty six, had seasons in three different occasions with an injury.
01:03:54
Speaker 2: That all I'm saying, y'all chat, take and do with that whatever you like. I think it's right. I think we have to. Oh, Jo and I when we talk sports and we talk. We have to give you context.
01:04:05
Speaker 1: He says, Okay, this guy went here because I'm trying to explain, well, Shanon, maybe he has a preconditioned, pre existing condition. Maybe he's there's a character issue off the field, maybe have some kind of a problem. We don't know, but we know one guy is about to be twenty six. I don't know about you, O chobn.
01:04:23
Speaker 9: When I got drafted, I was twenty two, Tue, I don't even know I was twenty two. I turned as a matter of fact, I got drafted in April. I was twenty one when I got drafted. I turned twenty two in June. This guy's about to turn twenty six. It's there's nothing, there's nothing we can do. We can just talk about it and then hoak s your door. Makes the best of it.
01:04:51
Speaker 1: Joe, let me ask you this, what do you think what's the equivalent of something like this happened in the NBA. Do you know a player that was rated extremely high and not only did he fall out of supposed to be a lottery pick, maybe a top five lottery pick, slid all the way out of the first round, slid all the way out of the second round because they only have two routes in the NBA and ended up having to become an NBA free agent.
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Speaker 5: The one person I can really remember is uh probably Rashard Lewis him sitting in the green room because you know that to the draft, and I think he was probably the last one in the green room and I think he thought he was going lottery and I think he ended up going in the second round. Okay, Yeah, that's that's tough, bro. Like I couldn't imagine that. Like it's already anxiety, you know, from being in there. They told me I was gonna be a top ten pick off the old Joe. So I was invited. I was invited to the green room. I'm sitting in there. Look even though you know people people don't made promises and all that, and I'm like, man, you never know, bro, you never right, you know what I mean. So uh, but it was definitely a surreal feeling, you know, getting drafted, getting getting a chance to shake David Stearns's hand.
01:05:56
Speaker 2: Uh, just a memorable moment for me. And I remember it like it was yesterday.
01:06:02
Speaker 1: Bro.
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Speaker 5: But yeah, outside of Rashad, I don't really know, Uh, nobody who's kind of got left back there like that.
01:06:08
Speaker 2: But it's gotta be a tough feeling, you know what I mean.
01:06:10
Speaker 5: Hey, look, yeah, Rashad had a great career from that bro. He probably still wearing a chip on his shoulders to this day.
01:06:18
Speaker 1: You're probably you're probably right, yeah, when you look at I mean Thurman Thomas. Thurman Thomas ended up falling asleep. He thought he was gonna be a first round pick. He goes in the second round. Thurmas in the Hall of Fame. He wonted he run the m V p uh and I think ninety one, so uh yeah, but a precipitous fall like this, I can't recall it, never ever
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Speaker 1: The Timberwolves defeat the Lakers to take a two to one lead, one sixteen to one oh four. The Lakers wasted a master performance by Lebron thirty eight points, ten rebounds, four insists, two blocks, tooth steals five to nine from the three point line, but it was not enough because three of the three of the Timberwolves. Ant Man finished like a man supposed to do. That's what your best player is supposed to do, if he's supposed to finish. But Jade McDaniels, Julius Randall was sensational, naz Reid chip in, so did Mike Conley, and they come away get a game, a two to one lead, one sixteen to one, oh four.
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Speaker 2: Joe, let me go to you.
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Speaker 1: First, the timber Ward I thought Lebron and that fourth forty comes down here, back to back threes and then the game undone turn over, the misfree throws. Joe, watching this game, tell me how it played out in your eyes?
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Speaker 5: Uh, just seem like it's two heavyweight fighters, man just really going at It's like backyard basketball, can Old Joe, Like, they really kind of take the centers out the game, Brun playing the fine. They spread the floor and it's just penetrating kick basketball.
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Speaker 2: Things that you learn in grade school, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 5: And it's just read and react, and that's pretty much how they've been competing this, you know, pretty much this whole series. But like you said, Jay McDaniel's baby, he gonna come out. He ultra aggressive uh uh, what is shot?
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Speaker 2: What is I mean?
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Speaker 5: How many field goal attempts had two thirteen for twenty two tonight, Like I like to see that. I like to see this young talent come out initiate, you know, be that aggressor and put the ones on the Laker man. When him and a man attacking like that and applying pressure, you know, in that pain on that rim, you know they able to get easy dumped down to Rudy spray out three to these guards. Devincenzo's you know, coming off the bench playing great. Hey, it's a problem. Minnesota bringing it. They bringing the old Joe. Them boys ain't playing man.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, they they came to play to night. Obviously, I thought I think something was wrong with Luca. I'm not sure what was wrong with Luca. He wasn't on, He wasn't efficient that he normally is. But Lebron was vinced tonight on Lebron was vented thirteen for twenty one. He had thirty eight, ten rebounds for assists. He didn't have much help. He didn't have much help. He was playing on both ends of the court too, now, playing defense, playing offense. Outside of that man and man, listen I'm mad I'm changing his name Anthony Amazon ever, because he delivered every time he coming to the party any on time, every time Monk and obviously.
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Speaker 7: Jake Ye Daniels was excellent tonight.
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Speaker 6: Will he be able to keep up that consistency night in the night out, It is doubtful. The Berecenzo coming off the coming off the bench and contributing, nas Reid hitting some key threes. Obviously in the game as well, it was a good game. Like like Joe say is a heavywey. It looked like a heavyweight heavyweight fight both of them going back to back, but when it came down to the end of it, the timber Wolves got tim Wowllves pulled it off.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the thing is McDaniel has been the key.
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Speaker 1: If you look at the first game they won, look at how Willie shot, he didn't play particularly well in the second game. Nods Reid didn't play well in the particularly in the second game, and so that's the that's he's the X factor. Now, if you're gonna get your third option and he's gonna give you thirty points, it's gonna be especially especially if your first two options are doing what they're supposed to do.
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Speaker 2: And man gave me twenty nine. Julius Ramdall gave me twenty two.
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Speaker 1: Now your third option with your Jaden McDaniels, he's gonna give you thirty. It's gonna be hard to overcome that unless Lebron, that's Luca and less Ar can match that. So let's just say for the sake of argument, they kind of match that tonight, but the difference was de Vincenzo and that nos Reet, so they gave it twenty one.
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Speaker 2: So I'm looking at it right here.
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Speaker 1: You got twenty five off the bench from the Timberwolves, and you got a eleven, sixteen nineteen from them, But it was a timely shots. It's too many, Joe, it's too many turnovers. The Lakers I think had five or six miss free throws in the first half a game. You know that's gonna be tight. Every possession matters, every point matters. When you go to the line and the clock is stopped, you got to capitalize if you have an opportunity to make free throws. And just too many turnovers because when they turn the ball over, Minnesota's making them pay the ultimate price. On the other end, go look at points off turnovers, and look how many Minnesota had, and look how few the Lakers had.
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Speaker 2: When you turn the ball over like the Lakers are, and this.
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Speaker 1: Is the young team that can get out run, Lakers don't have the legs that that the Minnesota Timberwolves have.
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Speaker 2: You're asking for trouble. You're really asking for trouble.
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Speaker 1: I thought the Lakers played really well the third quarter again, kind of got away from him. You know, they had a leader. But look, you know, everybody's gonna make a run. I mean, it's a game of run. That's where basketball lived. You make your run, we make out. Okay, we go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and then we go on another run.
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Speaker 2: You got another run.
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Speaker 1: But I thought the Lakers just turned the ball over too much, Joe, I thought they turned it over too much.
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Speaker 2: I thought they missed too many.
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Speaker 1: Free throws and they let they let the timber Wolves get into a rhythm, especially like the last four minutes of the game, when you have an opportunity. Lebron they had an opportunity. It seems like he was gonna take a three. He took his eye off the ball. He smoked the layup in I mean he smoked good good when smoked one in the first half. When you're on the road and you're playing a team like this and you know it's gonna be nipping tough. Every possession matters, every point matters, and you can't give away. You can't come away with empty possessions.
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Speaker 2: You can't. The one thing I really do like is uh man.
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Speaker 5: When we watch sports, okay o choe, we watched for what we watch for guys to come out there not only display their talents, but as long as they competing at a high level. Right, these dudes out here compete and you hear me, Yeah, they compete and they take it on the challenge. And the only thing that their concerns me been about the Lakers is down the stretch when they go with Broun at the fire, they have no rent protection. So and man when he gets when he gets to the cup, because he gonna get to the cup, it's either foul or spray out for three.
00:11:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, because there's the thing because they put what they do it is they put Luke in the pick and roll. Yeah they see so they pick they picking on Luca. So now Luca can't stop it. On their initial move. So now if you saw somebody slides the help, it's an easy kick. But a lot of times he's like, bro, that's up, Gay Vincent, that's a Dorian Photis Smith.
00:12:02
Speaker 2: I'm going on the top of y'all. Hey, Hey, the one time he got that still hold on, when he got that steal.
00:12:08
Speaker 5: And he drove it, he driven it out to the three point. I don't know what Luka was thinking. I'm like, Lucas should have been on the block so when he looked to come baseline, he should already been that big, like, nah, I'm coming this one.
00:12:19
Speaker 2: And when base line snatched the screws.
00:12:21
Speaker 8: At that thing, Hey, Joe, y'all, y'all think y'all think Luca hurt?
00:12:27
Speaker 7: Or was he just tired to night?
00:12:28
Speaker 2: He said fool something or something something. He wasn't feeling right. He wasn't feeling well, that's what they said.
00:12:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, he kept he kept cut holding his stomach or something like that.
00:12:36
Speaker 2: It's hard to tell.
00:12:37
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he initially came out there with that the undershirt on that he had, it seemed like he I don't know, Like I said, I wouldn't really pay him attention and that I don't think he started the second half because gay business started the second half, and then at the time out he ended up coming into the ball game, so he he might be a little under the weather. But at this juncture of the year, old Joe, don't nobody care. So I'm just gonna be one thousle with Joe. Joe, you played at a high level in the NBA on Joe and you and I we played football. When you're in the playoffs, nobody gives a damn. Whether you got an injury, whether you gotta see you go the flu, food pointed, whatever the case may be, get your butt out there on the field or the court and deliver. That's what you make the big bucks for. That's how you got that name. That's who you are, and that's the expectation that people have. And I believe that's the expectations. And Luca's not gonna make excuses. He knows he's going to have to play better if they're gonna have a chance to win the series.
00:13:31
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah.
00:13:34
Speaker 7: So I mean, listen, how you feeling now?
00:13:37
Speaker 1: I feel good? No, no, no, no, no. Five is obviously it's not happening in five. I feel good the Laker. It can still happen in five five, it may not be. Don't do that, Joe, don't do that a little while for the Register.
00:14:00
Speaker 2: O gosh.
00:14:00
Speaker 5: The one thing that concerns me. You know this young Wolf team, they wanted la. They did what they want to do. They gotta win, so they got hunt court advantage. As long as they can take your home court, man, they gonna be tough to be, bro, like, we need.
00:14:15
Speaker 2: Bron needed fifty tonight to win. He needed fifty.
00:14:17
Speaker 5: I'm sorry he only one rhythm, had only one seam and really have a rhythm. I thought Austin Reeves had a pretty good rhythm there for a second.
00:14:25
Speaker 2: But man, you need people to.
00:14:27
Speaker 5: Put pressure on on that rim man, get in that paint the bab of sprout for threes.
00:14:32
Speaker 1: We needed Ruy. I mean, I mean something you never know. I can never tell what I'm gonna get from Ruin. Eight points is not nearly enough four rebounds, Bro, I need more than that. I mean, Bro, you got thirty eight points and you got I mean, you got thirty eight minutes and you got yeah, eight points, Lebron, you got a guy on forty on, forty year old legs, give me you forty minutes and he was.
00:14:54
Speaker 5: A minus nineteen. It was the highest plus minus. He was the highest minus on theother night.
00:14:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's just tough to overcome when you're look, Jackson Hayes, he can't play the problem myth is that you don't have no protection from the rim because Jackson Hayes can't play long enough. And the thing is is that they're little allowing Gobert to play twenty four to twenty five minutes and they got real protection. So if somebody beat somebody up there to dribble, you saw who's that? Daur you finished Smith and Rudy Gobert and said, let's never get that hold that right quick.
00:15:26
Speaker 2: I don't know what you thought that. I don't know what you thought even if somebody told you. Yeah.
00:15:30
Speaker 5: And like if Randall Randall Grinson like he's being like being a bulller and China shop like he really cause and happening down there because they too small to deal with him, Land Rudy, you know what I mean. And when he played random at the five, like he deadly at that position, you know, going out right, found creating, getting to the cup, getting fouls, going to the free throw line kind of get himself going, you know what I mean?
00:15:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, But what I don't understand, Joe, I've never seen a left had.
00:16:00
Speaker 2: The most lefties gonna go to that dominant hand.
00:16:03
Speaker 1: If you think about all the lefties, you think about Julius Randall, think about James Harden, think about Marcelonas, think about any left or monogen nobly bro.
00:16:14
Speaker 2: You know they want to go to that dominant hand. And they let random spend every time to the left, make it go right. Yeah, Yeah, And I get it. I get it. I get it, Joe. It's a lot easier said than done.
00:16:28
Speaker 1: But you're not going to be I'm not going to allow you to beat me. If I'm a boxer, you might knock me out, but you ain't gonna knock me out with your dominant hand. Now, you might catch me with something I don't see, but it ain't gonna be your dominant one. So you might slip that upper cut on me. On Joe, or you you may hit me with the left hook. But if I know you gotta right, ain't gonna get you. Ain't gonna get me. So you know you want to get to that left hand. He wants to get there. I'm not letting him go. And then once he picks up his dribble and he fakes right, Okay, go ahead and go that way, but I'm not gonna let you fake me right, and I go flying out the sky like I'm like, I'm David Thompson.
00:17:04
Speaker 2: They come back limp and lay it up. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. Joe. Yeah, am I wrong in that assessment?
00:17:10
Speaker 5: Joe, Nah, You're not wrong, But like I said, it is a little harder than what you say. I mean, he's been ultra aggressive on he was nine to ten from the free throw line. He got your time, so yes, which lets me know. You know when he called, he took he took advantage of the mismatches. You know, he took advantage of being one of the bigger guys in the game at the time.
00:17:28
Speaker 2: And uh, you know he's helping them.
00:17:30
Speaker 5: Man, He's giving these guys wide open shots just by him being ultra aggressive like the on offense.
00:17:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm go ahead, don't Joe, go ahead.
00:17:39
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to look up, look at the staff because I don't really have it on my computer, Like I would at home.
00:17:43
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then the Lakers in trouble.
00:17:47
Speaker 6: Hey Joe, Joe, the next game, the next game in a minute, in the minutes, he heyet ain't looking good.
00:17:54
Speaker 2: We got this.
00:17:55
Speaker 6: Look listen, Lebron like like Joe say, Lebron gonna have to score fifty. Luga has to. I'm sure if he had, you got a stumer tummy egg. I'm not sure what it is. Hopefully he's able to recover and come back to playing. How we know, how we know he can play? Austin Rids give us something like we did tonight. But when we got to show up, we got to show up. Uncus is it's not looking good?
00:18:16
Speaker 1: Look I think for me, when I look, I'm looking at this, do I expect Lebron?
00:18:21
Speaker 2: Can Lebron do it? Yes? I've seen him go thirty and forty and back to back game.
00:18:25
Speaker 1: You're asking an awful lot because the next game is probably gonna be Sunday. So if if you think about it, think about the layoff that they had, they played and then now all of a sudden they get So he got two days off. So when you're older, you need more time to recover. Joe, you need more time to suit him. Send those stummer take boots. You need more time to sit that cold tub and now haunt in that red table. You need more of recovery. So I don't know how quick now. Look, I know immediately after this game he went straight to the locker room, putting them feet, putting them up, puppies in the coat, and the bucket of ice. He got ice bag on his knees, he got it on his back. So he's doing everything he possibly can to start the recovery process as soon as possible. But he is forty. He is there's no way around, there's no way to escape that. So I don't know if he's gonna be able to give you another virtue. Also, like he gave you the night, they really need Luca to play better than what he played.
00:19:23
Speaker 2: Hopefully that bug.
00:19:24
Speaker 1: Would be as a twenty four hour bug and it'll be socidy to be gone.
00:19:28
Speaker 2: But I don't think if you think about it, they didn't play bad.
00:19:33
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the total, because I mean I'm looking at Lebron, Lebron had what Lebron had thirty eight, Luca had seventeen.
00:19:41
Speaker 2: That's fifty five, and Austin Reeves had twenty.
00:19:45
Speaker 1: That's seventy seven point that No, but the problem is that you ran into Julianus Randall had twenty two. McDaniel's had thirty. That's fifty two. And then you compare that with the twenty nine. The ad man had you at eighty one and the auxiliary you got nine. From Mike Conley, you got eleven. You got ten, So we're gonna need We're gonna need. Okay, three, they sucked. They cancel each other out. Well, they got to have two other guys that go double figures. That means the Lakers is gonna have to have somebody that go double figures fifteen sixteen to offset what nobs read and what uh, who's at the Devin Cienzo what they gave you.
00:20:29
Speaker 2: I mean, look, they hear some shots. I mean Devin.
00:20:31
Speaker 1: Cienzo hit a crossover cross finish, myth up made him touch earth and his step back and held the leg up. Mike Conley got a rebound, ran out and banked it. I don't know how he made it from how he banked that from that angle, Joe, I still don't know how he did it.
00:20:45
Speaker 5: That's what the basketball guys, baby, he living right, you're living right. Hey, you're living right. Yeah, basketball guys, give you some grace. That's what That's why I said.
00:20:55
Speaker 1: If you remember, and when they had COVID, he ended up winning the horse competition because he's at dextriss he could shoot either hand. Yeah, so if they would have a horse competition, I would probably pick my I would probably It'll be very interesting if Luca, uh, Mike Coley, and Steph Curry would enter it. It'll be very interesting because both all three of them can make some crazy, ridiculous ass shots.
00:21:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do, man, they do. Uh. I'm gonna tell you something, Luca aar.
00:21:23
Speaker 5: They're gonna have to get on the bandwagon with uh uh with broun Ojoe.
00:21:28
Speaker 2: You know, like.
00:21:31
Speaker 5: It's gonna take at least two of them to probably explode to you know, to get a game in Minnesota because they.
00:21:37
Speaker 2: Seeking Luca every trip, bro.
00:21:39
Speaker 5: So you got imagine that he got the ball in his hand on offense almost every play if Brin ain't got it, and then defensively it's like we're seeking, were seeking for you every play.
00:21:50
Speaker 2: So he's having a lot of energy to.
00:21:53
Speaker 5: You know, to to to be able to uh, you know, put his stemp on the game man.
00:21:58
Speaker 2: But yeah, he got he's gonna have to step up.
00:22:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think, Look, you gotta make him work because I'm not gonna let you. I'm not gonna let you rest on the defensive end so you can punish me and use all your all of your energy for offense. That's how you that's how you make an offensive player exert energy. You make him work on the defensive end. So hey, oh oh, you think you're gonna drop forty on me and coast on it end. No, you're not right, because I'm gonna try to give you thirty. I'm gonna try to make you exert energy. And now I'm gonna put your ass in the pick and roll. I'm gonna make you fight on the picks. I'm gonna tack you because I'm gonna make you exert burn some of that energy so you don't have as much on the other end.
00:22:47
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Joe, I think.
00:22:49
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that when you say go off, they need to go off in an efficient manner. You can't take twenty shots and make four and say well I had twenty five points.
00:22:59
Speaker 2: That's not good. You need to go off like Lebron.
00:23:02
Speaker 1: You need to go off in an efficient manner for it to mean something. And so I agree with you to think those two guys are Luke and Lebron probably need to team up for about in order for them to win this series. They're gonna that seventy seven was good, but they might need to be around the eighty five ninety between the between the three of them. Joe, So somebody gonna know a forty point, somebody gonna have to have a high twenty or low thirty, and the other guys's gonna have to be in the mid twenties in order for them become I can't count on the other guys that's gonna I can't go in and say, well, I know Finish Smith gonna give me twelve tonight, Well, Reui gonna probably give me sixteen.
00:23:41
Speaker 2: I can't go in thinking that right right.
00:23:44
Speaker 1: You know, we put a game play together, Oh, Joe, I was like, okay, oh, y're gonna give me his eight. Who's gonna give me probably five to six? Okay, I could correct rest this old Chris Henry. He probably gonna give me four. One's gonna probably be about thirty forty. So I can piscil day. I kind of know what I'm gonna get right outside of the outside of your top three.
00:24:03
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what I'm gonna get from Ruin. I'm not sure.
00:24:07
Speaker 1: I'm not really counting on the whole lot of points from ban do I count maybe one three from Gabe Vistling.
00:24:13
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm gonna get from anybody else.
00:24:15
Speaker 1: And so it's hard because those guys go off, they can still possibly lose.
00:24:19
Speaker 2: But I know if those guys don't go off, they don't have a chance.
00:24:24
Speaker 7: Yeah, and listen, it's damn the just as three.
00:24:27
Speaker 6: I want to say two man, because sometimes you know, res res can get hot.
00:24:31
Speaker 7: When reason was on, he's on. But I like Lebron's approach to the game tonight. He didn't. He didn't come out trying to facilitate.
00:24:37
Speaker 6: He came out and established dominance early, which he didn't do in game two. Luca was on fire. He allowed Luca to stay in rhythm. But Lebron approached the game difference tonight. You know what, I'm gonna get myself a rhythm and let the game go. Let the game come to everybody else as it will, as it made Luca wasn't feeling well to night.
00:24:56
Speaker 7: Something had to be wrong.
00:24:57
Speaker 6: Whatever it is, they got to fix it for the next game, which is Sunday, right.
00:25:01
Speaker 2: I think so, I think the next game is gonna be Sunday.
00:25:03
Speaker 7: Oh Joe, yeah, this is the next game is Sunday.
00:25:06
Speaker 6: I think I think it would be who Lebron to approach the game this same manner and being very aggressive. Early in the game, I think he had sixteen, but in the second quarter something like that, he had twelve Lebron.
00:25:17
Speaker 1: Lebron had fourteen, He had fourteen, He had fourteen in the second. He had six in the first, fourteen in the second he didn't. He was like, okay, I think, I think, oh Joe, he might have had five seven, might have had like seven.
00:25:29
Speaker 2: In the second and the third quarter.
00:25:31
Speaker 1: And then he caught had back to back three that it looked like he was about to let a number one because Luca got to pass up to him in a hurry and he just fumbled it. And then the next thing you know, they come back down because when he smoked that layup, they hit a three. Then he fumbled the ball and then they come back and he'd they get enough they get it so that those are swings and points and in momentum when you do things like that, and you know it normally happens like that, Joe, you smoke one on one end, they come back and get points on the other end. Yep, you turned them all over and now they right back at you and you kitchen. Yep, you got take care of the rock man, especially in the playoffs. You know every position, you know it's valuable.
00:26:06
Speaker 5: But here's my thing. You got and man ain't even shoot no free throws at night. Man, he's still ain't.
00:26:13
Speaker 2: To me.
00:26:13
Speaker 5: He had twin nine to night, but he still ain't had one of them games, one of them signature games. You know, I think I'm looking for him to go out about forty forty five, Oh Joe, hearman.
00:26:22
Speaker 1: Hop open So yeah, because if he goes for forty five, Jay and Daniel's not gonna get twenty two shots.
00:26:27
Speaker 2: So I hope you're right. I hope you're right. Now. It may be okay, it might be one of them.
00:26:31
Speaker 5: Official when you know, he was the best three point shooter in the NBA this year.
00:26:35
Speaker 2: He was fine.
00:26:35
Speaker 1: We had the most, Yeah, he had the most threes. He wasn't the best. He had the most threes. Listen, he was five for ten from the three to night. He's shooting at three ball now. Yeah, but if you think about it, McDaniel with thirteen or twenty two, uh, twelve or twenty six, I can live with that. But he got he made about three in that fourth quarter. He made some threes in the fourth that kind of that bay just lkay, the game's over. And that's what you do. You want the closer, you want your clothing. When he come in Mo Rivera. When the Yankees got to the night, sometimes he got a four out saved, but most of the time, ojo. When they open that bullpen in the ninth Inny and they say end of the same man, and he come by that thing, and you know, he got one pitch and all he throwt is that cut fanstball that cut him. He go, that's my clothes, and that's what you want. You want your closer. I will put them all in your hands, delivered, get us this win. He's putting the ball in that man's hand. And he made every right play. He hit the open guy or he finished at the rim. So I cannot complain about you know, they had a lead. Cause look the Laker like, Okay, we're gonna make your y'all. Hearn this one close ball game? What did they do three? Instead of being now you're up five?
00:27:52
Speaker 2: What he do again?
00:27:53
Speaker 1: He come back two point another three? Give it to me, Give it to me, now come on, now come. I'll be waiting for it, I mean wait for Yeah. So I cannot complain because a man did it what we're supposed to do.
00:28:05
Speaker 2: Uh.
00:28:06
Speaker 1: And and I'm thinking, if you're a coach, you are jj reddick, Joe, you ain't thinking Jay McDaniels about to give you a thirty bomb? You, Joe, you ain't thinking. No, no, give me give me the stats. How many times did j McDaniels have thirty in the season. This is a career high for him. It was a career high, folks.
00:28:25
Speaker 5: It was a correct But listen, when you got your when you got your main guy and man pushing for him, pushing him for his coach star, you know, feeding that confidence into him like that, like he gonna perform like this.
00:28:36
Speaker 2: You know he gonna have some some some career high games. I'm looking for him to have another one. I'm not.
00:28:44
Speaker 1: I was gonna I'm gonna be I'm gonna be honest with you. He's a starter, but he's a role player, and role players that I will. I can see this. They normally play better at home. Yeah, yo yo yo, you oh Joe, your third point receivers. They normally play back at home crime backing them as opposed on the road. And so we understand guys are very familiar in the environment. Got no problem with that. But I'm not counting on him to give me another thirty piece. Uh, Julius random, Look like you said, he's the bulldog. You're asking an awful lot because you don't really because if you asked Lebron to bang with you basically the whole night, he ain't gonna be getting nothing on offense, not that point, not the bank, not the bang, the bank, because Julius trying to bang. Listen, It's that's why you had them little mishaps at the end of the game. Mislay up, just a fumble of the bottle because I knew when if he had caught that bob, he probably gonna let it ride for three Yeah.
00:29:41
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah yeah yeah.
00:29:43
Speaker 1: Yeah. He's smoked. He's supposed to do that one. He like, man, I ain't even get I ain't got it. Hey, I got I ain't even got it in me tonight. But uh I thought, I thought, look you could we can sit here and say, yeah, they missed too many free throws. Yes, they turned the ball over, but somebody forced those turnovers. Now, the misfree throws that you just missed, that's a lack of concentration. Now you can't miss six free throws in the first half. You can't because now you're trying to stretch the lead. But those turnovers, some of them, I mean Luca dribbed the ball off the back of half, the back of his foot, Rudy Gobert snatched, Rudy, Rudy Gobert took the ball out your hand. Luca really him down, he wanted him.
00:30:29
Speaker 5: And three, you know, from you picking up from game one, picking up the energy, eir for making him work on both fans of the floor at some point. This is the plan is to wear him down to where he make those mental type of mistakes, and you know it helps the Timberwolves.
00:30:43
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what's been happening. That was, that's that's that's that's how you have to do it. I mean, you got a guy like Luca, He's immenstally confident. He sees a couple go in, now he's gonna start. He'll go like, okay, okay, okay, I got it. But and then and the thing is with him, if you watch him, he could miss three or four threes and then he'll go on the hot stretch and he'll make four or four. The shot that he hit on Julius Redder, he had no shot. He had no business making that, man, I don't know what first of all, don't know why he took it. Listen, m all make it. It was some elite shot making. I'm talking about tonight. I'm talking about them dudes was making some tough shots.
00:31:19
Speaker 2: Bro.
00:31:20
Speaker 5: This is why we watched man, the game was. It was definitely fun to watch the night. Them dudes compete at a super high level, which is why we're starting to deal with a lot of these injuries in.
00:31:29
Speaker 2: This postseason too.
00:31:30
Speaker 5: By the way, Yeah, guys are playing hard, man and you having these freak freak accidents.
00:31:36
Speaker 2: Man, you know, one little injury could could you know? Drail? Some teams playoff.
00:31:41
Speaker 3: Host, you know what I mean, You're you're you're right, And I think the thing is is that got First of all, the Lakers are really challenged defensively because you got a forty one year old guy that was an All NBA player, but he can't move like he once could.
00:31:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, Luca and aar they're not good defensive place players. So you got three guys really that are not defended. First of all, when you put those guys out there, Ruin is not known as a defender. That's not what he's good at. During your Phinnish Smith is okay. I wouldn't say he's an elite defender, but I think he's okay, he's adequate. So you got a bunch of guys. You got a bunch of guys that don't defend at a high level and they can't protect one another. Right, So now I don't got no look when I'm puting Lebron at the five, Yeah he is back like the fence runt he Ruin on rud playing the five. Whomever four or five doesn't matter. Yeah, cause heyse, when.
00:32:33
Speaker 5: A man come through that, it's old lady, old lad, he coming to that.
00:32:37
Speaker 1: You ain't to put me on your card, your car, damn your poster, because don't know what to buy a poster no more, they got cards. They got it, So you're not finn have man signing signing over the top of Mike.
00:32:46
Speaker 2: Listen, I can't believe you. Look at Joe with that man all the way't.
00:32:49
Speaker 5: Even thinking about look trim, Hey, I tried.
00:32:54
Speaker 2: You know, in the playoffs, Joe, you do things you don't normally do. Right now, Old Joe, you know what I'm saying. You go over with the middle.
00:33:00
Speaker 1: Damn, that's really hot, but I got to give it an effort. No, don't feel Hey, Joe, you don't.
00:33:06
Speaker 2: You don't.
00:33:06
Speaker 8: You're gonna get blowed up like damn. Hey, how fought you back? How about you back there? I can't, Joe, I'm looking like that.
00:33:18
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, okay, Hey, look I would have been already on that block over them for he even went baseline, just to let him know, don't even come this week. I'm cutting out. Let that man come Baseline, boy. I know you.
00:33:30
Speaker 2: I knew it was over with.
00:33:32
Speaker 1: Oh hey, I gotta catch it on Joe. Hey, you just I'm gonna catch it running on away with you. You ain't gonna jump you dunk it on't be you i'mnna run down away with you.
00:33:43
Speaker 2: What you doing?
00:33:44
Speaker 1: Hey, you're not finn put me on You're not finna put me on?
00:33:47
Speaker 2: No poster.
00:33:47
Speaker 5: Don't nobody want that smoke when that young boy comes.
00:33:50
Speaker 2: No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not fitna be on your highlight. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not.
00:33:55
Speaker 3: I'm not.
00:33:56
Speaker 2: Uh your game for it Sunday? Uh, probably no, it's not.
00:34:01
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the it's probably gonna be the late game, Probably gonna be late game? What type? What type? What time do they play as? Actually gonna look up the time they probably what you thinking, Joe, you think they're gonna be what the third game?
00:34:17
Speaker 2: You're gonna be prime time they playing? And member, I don't think.
00:34:20
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be prime time because uh who Uh, it's gonna be the second game, the freak.
00:34:27
Speaker 2: Three thirty game.
00:34:27
Speaker 1: It is, it is, it's not, well, I guess five thirty would be considered prime, but it's it's it's gonna be it's gonna be ABC game.
00:34:36
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well yeah, because you.
00:34:37
Speaker 1: Got at Maddy Luca, because ain't nobody, ain't nobody else got stars like that. You got man, you got Luca, you got Brown. Ain't nobody else got three superstars playing like that. Not Boston, uh not not uh Indie Milwaukee, not the Knicks, and and and and Detroit. So nobody has what they have. Okay, So New York Detroit is the ten a m Gay Lakers, Minnesota twelve thirty, and then you got Boston Orlando huh, which means it's one one one. It's what you're looking at it as you're looking at it at specific time. But no, it's one o'clock, and then's the three thirty game, and then you got the uh, the seven, and then you got the six thirty games. So uh, it's gonna be We're gonna they gonna bounce back. I like, hey, I'm not over the concerned. I'm not over concerned. I love I love I love the confidence. I love the confidence. I love the confidence that you have in your Lakers.
00:35:39
Speaker 7: I like it.
00:35:40
Speaker 2: Yeah we have.
00:35:41
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a very interesting, a very different conversation on Sunday night, Joe.
00:35:46
Speaker 2: They aren't worry. Hey, they got they need to win Game four. We gonna win. Hey, nonna need you eat? Uh one? Okay?
00:35:54
Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, hey now you know you saw you saw just a sample of what gold James is cable love, you just saw a sample.
00:36:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what they could do.
00:36:05
Speaker 6: Okay, hold on, hold all on, matter of fact, matter of fact, how confident are.
00:36:08
Speaker 1: You getting my money? Because you tell you're gonna have my money in Green Bay? All off scale of one to ten, scale of one to ten. How confident are you in the Lakers winning game? Winning winning game?
00:36:19
Speaker 7: Folk?
00:36:20
Speaker 2: Say four five.
00:36:23
Speaker 7: On the scale of one to ten point five.
00:36:26
Speaker 5: It courl that, hey, you some of them provided you was talking aboudy, you better send them some of them in the game.
00:36:34
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, Lucas, you know I look, excuse me.
00:36:43
Speaker 1: Before we get to the rest of these NBA games, we gotta start to talk about what happened. Not only yesterday last night, Oh Joe, you and I were at lambeau Field for the first round round, but today rounds two and three has passed and should door Sanders hasn't been selected. One hundred and two pigs five quarterbacks elected cam Ward cam Ward.
00:37:06
Speaker 2: With number one overall. No surprise there.
00:37:08
Speaker 1: We knew that once they had he had his workout, they they canceled all other official visits that told me everything I needed to know. Boom now, Jackson Dark, Tyler Shuck, Jaylen Milroe, Dylan Gabriel. Now for for context, I want to provide contacts, oh Joe, because that's what we like to do. Yeah, Daniel Jeremiah had Shaduur the second ranked quarterback.
00:37:34
Speaker 2: Four days ago. Cam Ward was the eighth overall best player.
00:37:38
Speaker 1: Shaduur was the twentieth best overall player, Jackson Dark the thirty sixth overall best player, Tyler Shuck seventy fifth overall best player, Jalen Miroe eighty sixth.
00:37:50
Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel won forty eight. Mel Kiper Junior.
00:37:55
Speaker 1: The Guru just four days ago had Shaduur ranked over cam Ward. He had shr Door as the fifth best player, cam Ward as the sixth best player. Jackson Dark at the twenty eight the best player, Tyler Shook forty six. Pro Football Focus had him second behind cam Ward just yesterday morning.
00:38:15
Speaker 2: But we saw today cam Warden cam Ward went first.
00:38:22
Speaker 1: The Giants traded back into the first round on show to take Jackson Dark. In twenty fifth Tyler Shook with forty to the Saints, and we thought Bear Shoulder could possibly be nine, go nine to the Saints.
00:38:34
Speaker 2: Bear.
00:38:35
Speaker 1: No, they take Tyler Shuk Jalen Milroe ninety second overall to the Seattle Seahawks and Dylan Gabriel ninety.
00:38:43
Speaker 2: Fourth to the Browns.
00:38:45
Speaker 1: Now we were there were talking about well, Shador Arm, you know you're outside of Cleveland and then you got not not not not.
00:38:52
Speaker 7: Don't start that shit.
00:38:53
Speaker 2: No, no, just give me some I'm gonna tell you.
00:38:56
Speaker 1: Let me give me a second on Joe Baltimore outside Pittsburgh, got Cincinnati, Cleveland. I don't see what Dylan Gabriel arm is any stronger than your doors. I could be wrong. I could be I could be, but I don't know. And I know I'm gonna turn it over you owe Joe, because I know Joe got questions, I'm gonna turn over you.
00:39:17
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this before I do O Joe.
00:39:19
Speaker 1: In all my years that I go back to, like really following the draft and understanding where players are going getting drafted back in eighty seven and almost forty years, I've never seen anything like this.
00:39:30
Speaker 7: Yeah, uncle, I've never seen nothing like this myself. Obviously. I know I only played a short time, but I've been around long.
00:39:37
Speaker 6: Enough to know obviously the year that the eleven twelve years I did play, and all the time i've been I've been retired and enjoying the game and watching it from afar and understanding how player, how good players are regards to what scouts may say, the iron the sky doesn't lie. I washed the door play from high school to college in Jackson State to what he was able to do at Colorado.
00:40:00
Speaker 7: I want everybody to understand that you're never biggot in the program. You'll never be bigger than the program, no matter who you are, and they will show you.
00:40:12
Speaker 6: They will always remind you at any given time if at any point you think you are bigger than the program.
00:40:19
Speaker 7: And that is all we seeing.
00:40:20
Speaker 6: That's all we're seeing right now, Joe Unk, that is always seeing right now regards to who you are. There's some things I think Prime might have said. I don't want to quote it, but he would.
00:40:30
Speaker 7: He where he said. It's similar to.
00:40:34
Speaker 2: We're gonna go, we go what.
00:40:36
Speaker 6: Archie Manning said when it came to Eli. Same thing, no different anyway. I got something today I really want to read.
00:40:44
Speaker 2: Chat.
00:40:45
Speaker 6: I want you to listen to me real quick. I'm not here to store up. I'm happy for everybody that got drafted. I want you to listen to something that was sent that was sent to me on Instagram chat. Y'all stay with me real quick and just listen to me very very closely.
00:40:58
Speaker 2: Uncle.
00:41:00
Speaker 6: What we were winnising once again is the machinery of a system that is never quite known what to do with a free black man, much less than a free black family. The NFL, with all this pageantry and power, finds itself uncomfortable, even threatened, when it likes of the Sanders family walk into a room, not asking for seat of the table, but daring to bring their own dion shador. This family has refused to shrink to fit the confines laid out for them, and so the machine does what it has always done. It seems to diminish, to distort, to remind them and us that there are still a place for black folk, and is not at the head of the table but the tragedy, you see, it's not in their refusal to bow, but it is in the nation's sphere of black excellence unchained. The fear that has always been the real danger, not the power of our stride, but the shadow we cast when we stand upright, unafraid and unapologetically ourselves.
00:42:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was talking. I was talking to my sister. She said, well you thanks your door. I said, Libby, I'm gonna be honest with you. If he don't go in the second round, I think he might slide out of the third.
00:42:23
Speaker 7: Bunks all the games.
00:42:25
Speaker 1: It's all look your dress, your draft story. My brother's draft story was a lot different than mine. My brother didn't have to wait first round, seventh pick on a plane, on the plane, the Green Bay boom you second round? Hey, hold with with with red, flash with with with with character issues, school to school, bounce from over and over?
00:42:50
Speaker 2: Why do you go here? Why do you go here?
00:42:54
Speaker 1: Bad?
00:42:55
Speaker 2: Still?
00:42:55
Speaker 6: Second round? We're taking a chance on him. There ain't no no off the field issue is what you do? No issue, no nothing. Oh he's always cocky. I have a question women, John Woben, Johnny Manziel, cocky.
00:43:08
Speaker 2: Oh, give you one better. What was Baker?
00:43:11
Speaker 7: What was Baker Mayfield? What was Baker Mayfield?
00:43:14
Speaker 6: Okay, now, now now what I will say when it comes to college and you watch film that motherfucker.
00:43:19
Speaker 7: IM sorry, Johnny Manziel and Baker Mayfield? What they played?
00:43:23
Speaker 1: What.
00:43:23
Speaker 6: They were absolutely awesome. But again, you can't take away what Shad was able to do. At a Denmer, Colorado team that won one game, they come back the next year with Shador win for what.
00:43:39
Speaker 2: And then the next year I think they went nine. Yeah I heard what? Did I hear you?
00:43:43
Speaker 1: I heard someone says that his confidence doesn't match your game. So, in other words, he does a lot of talking and his game is not indicative of the type of bravado what mm hmm?
00:43:57
Speaker 5: Hey, okay, oh Joe, So yeah, question is do y'all even think he'll get drafted at this point? I mean, what we do? We do three rounds already? Oh Lord, have mercy, Joe. I mean, look, definite. I started to think about it. I'm like, hold on, I'm only watching. I'm trying to see two get drafted. I'm like, hol you know, I'm hoping. I'm hoping. I'm hoping he goes in the fourth round. Because, okay, let me ask you this.
00:44:26
Speaker 1: Teams that needed a quarterback, what do they do they took a quarterback in the second or the third round. Yeah, if you already took a quarterback in the second or third round, what the likely lot you're taking a quarterback into four, fifth, sixth, or seventh round.
00:44:37
Speaker 6: All right, So now you tell Now you're telling me the people that you did pick in the second and third round you feel they're better than your door. So at what point does it come on a team as I'm not even gonna mention anything about free agency.
00:45:00
Speaker 7: What if they prove a point in making way to the seven?
00:45:03
Speaker 2: It is possible, Joe? What what?
00:45:05
Speaker 1: What?
00:45:06
Speaker 7: What point are they trying to prove?
00:45:07
Speaker 6: Especially at this point, Joe, I've never seen I've never ever seen anything like this.
00:45:12
Speaker 7: I'm not talking about I'm not talking about black and white. I ain't talk about none of that. I'm talking about based on what I've seen.
00:45:16
Speaker 6: On film with my own eyes, where he was red the other quarterbacks compared to other quarterbacks outside of camboard.
00:45:24
Speaker 7: What are we looking at?
00:45:25
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not a scout, I'm not a GM, but I do have conversations. I do understand and know the game. You're not telling me everybody that had drafted before him? What are we talking about it?
00:45:38
Speaker 7: Again? I'm happy for everybody that got draft.
00:45:40
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying we're not trying to diminish anybody.
00:45:45
Speaker 1: We're trying to make sense of what we're seeing with your door, because I think the thing of what was O Joe, if there was an injury that we didn't know about, we saw will will hire the cornerback out of what you call him. He had a propicity when they gave him a scare. They say he has a high risk for knee injury, so he slid down. Okay, if there's a red flag that we don't know about, but I don't the guy got great. He was on the I think the honor roll. I think you have a great GPA. He's never been in trouble. The numbers speak for themselves. So for me to see a guy rated this high with no issues, that's what's puzzling. Look Like I said, O Joe, you and I don't know, excuse me what those thirty two teams and how they view him. You know, they say beauty is in the eye to be older. You think that's good. I don't think that bad. You right like red, I like black, You like this, I like that.
00:46:44
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
00:46:45
Speaker 1: I don't know based on the rankings of all these people that get paid to do this, and if their paion is subjective, But nobody. I don't think anybody really has your door pay cam Ward's, like mel Kiper has, should do it one. As far as quarterback, most everybody had him two behind cam Ward.
00:47:09
Speaker 2: But to see this precipitous fall, this precipitous drop.
00:47:14
Speaker 1: And guys, I mean some guys had Dylan Gabriel uh when they had the ranked the one hundred and forty eight best player, Mel Road the eighty six best best player, Kyler Shilk seventy fifth, should do it. Almost never got past the twentieth best player in the draft. He was twentieth on some people's board. He was the fifth best player on some people's board. And he's he's a Day three possible. Well that well that it's day three, so you get one, two, and then you go, you know, around four through seven.
00:47:47
Speaker 6: Listen, I've never seen I've never seen collusion like this before ever.
00:47:52
Speaker 7: I've never seen it.
00:47:54
Speaker 2: And you know what it is.
00:47:56
Speaker 6: Let's call the spade the spade for those that are watching, for those that in his chat. I'm not saying it is anything wrong with those that were drafted before him. I'm just saying, based on my knowledge of the game and understanding of football and what I've watched throughout the years, especially from.
00:48:09
Speaker 7: That specific position.
00:48:11
Speaker 6: Now, the only thing I can say, the only red flag for them, it's his approach to the game and is confidence. I'm assuming that they don't like that, But how do you not want a player to feel the way he feels? How do you not want a player that believes in himself, in his skill set and what he's done and works his ass off to get to that could do the only thing, But that can't be a bad thing because there have been other players that have come before him that approach the same game, but that same demeanor, insame, attitude and belief similar to him.
00:48:38
Speaker 7: So to me, it really makes no sense.
00:48:40
Speaker 6: But again nothing and they will always time and time remind us in certain instances.
00:48:46
Speaker 7: That you will never be bigger than the machine or the program.
00:48:49
Speaker 2: And that's all this is.
00:48:50
Speaker 7: That's all that comes down.
00:48:51
Speaker 5: And it could be it could be a good thing for him too, you know what I mean, if he do get an opportunity.
00:48:58
Speaker 2: On his shoulder. Man, You know what I mean?
00:49:01
Speaker 5: Yeah, for all the dollars, and they say it is the people who didn't believe in the teams who continue to pass up on him.
00:49:07
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. You use that firing desire when you touch the field, bro, you know, you let him know what's up. So I don't know.
00:49:14
Speaker 1: It could be a blessing in the sky tom Brady, but people that were tom Brady went to win the sixth round.
00:49:20
Speaker 2: But tom Brady wasn't as rated as high as your door.
00:49:23
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was a backup basically his whole career except the last six seven games of his senior season, right, So that's the difference.
00:49:30
Speaker 2: And like I said, tom Brady turned out to be what tom Brady turned out to be.
00:49:34
Speaker 1: I had a very similar story to your door because people like, well if he was that good, why didn't he go to a D one school?
00:49:40
Speaker 2: Well, with my grades, I couldn't. I couldn't.
00:49:43
Speaker 1: I couldn't have got into Juco only place how you get into because there was no there was no you know, you didn't have to have the same standardized testing grade to get into a Division two school as you did a Division one because my year old Joe nineteen eighty six, it would have it.
00:49:58
Speaker 2: That was the first year prop forty eight, So you had to make seven hundred.
00:50:03
Speaker 1: Remember I told you my credits called by folk yeah, that was also about sat score folk. Now they give you a hundred to put your name on the thank I don't know. I might have got that roll, Joe. I might have left y'all. I might have left y'all for my own name.
00:50:16
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
00:50:17
Speaker 5: I'm not going Joe, Hey, don't hold it to that, now, don't hold me. I'm laughing with you because I was a PROBA when I went to college too. I didn't have my acord, and uh, you know it was challenging, bro.
00:50:28
Speaker 7: You know, I we dont we ain't take the SA team.
00:50:31
Speaker 2: We took the A C.
00:50:32
Speaker 1: And you know back then on Joe, you know, I played the game that I played the game that Friday night, and then I my sister, my sister, Yeah, my sister drive me to Georgia Southern to take that test, the test, and I'm looking at all these students they right, I'm just sitting there like I don't know nothing on here.
00:50:52
Speaker 7: Listen. You know it's like, listen, I ain't even I ain't even got no business laughing.
00:50:56
Speaker 6: I don't even have no business laughter, because you gotta understand, I had my I had my red flags and my character issues going to the League because of my reason for bouncing around from school to school. You gotta understand, I graduated from beach Eie hell. I didn't even graduated from goddamn high school.
00:51:09
Speaker 1: A time.
00:51:10
Speaker 7: Mcgrave was so bad. Listen, Joe, Joe, I swore for God. Listen.
00:51:14
Speaker 2: We family were.
00:51:17
Speaker 1: Family.
00:51:18
Speaker 7: My dream, my dream was I wanted to go to fam you. So I'm coming out of high school.
00:51:23
Speaker 6: I told my grandma and said, Mama, I want to go down to family, right down and tell lassy. My grandma said, listen, baby, it ain't looking good for you. There's nothing to go with you. I'm gonna give you officers on where you might be able to go, but it definitely able to be fam you.
00:51:35
Speaker 7: I ended up. I ended up at Langston University, NI a school. Obviously.
00:51:39
Speaker 6: I'm sure we have some people in the chat from from Oklahoma. Ended up at LANs University. Getting there the first semester, I get thrown out for fighting. I get thrown out for I get I get thrown up a fight. Man, I'll never forget. Rest is soul. Doctor Ernest Holloway, Rest in Peace shipped me back to Miami. I come to my grandma. I told my Grandma, what happened? Look, you know my roommate. I think my roommate stole my parel grand money, my grandma. Say listen, baby, I've done all I can with you. I wash my hands, I gotta sing you. I gotta sing you to you by my da inn La.
00:52:10
Speaker 7: Let me see what she could do with you. That's how I ended up.
00:52:13
Speaker 6: That's how I ended up at Sala Monica College nineteen ninety seven with Steve Smith Boom.
00:52:18
Speaker 7: That's two years down. So I played with Sea that first year.
00:52:22
Speaker 2: Long.
00:52:22
Speaker 6: Behold, here I go again, not going to class. I'm thinking, you know, I'm a skill set. It's gonna get me through the door man.
00:52:29
Speaker 7: And people don't play that. They don't play that. Damn Santa Monica.
00:52:31
Speaker 6: Oh no, hey, Joe, I'm I'm ineligible the third year, so I got to sit out the third year.
00:52:37
Speaker 7: So that's three years down. I'm at Southwest doing classes.
00:52:40
Speaker 6: I'm at West l A doing classes, and I'm doing classes as Santa Monica just to get my grades together so I could play in nineteen ninety nine. That's four years. I go out there, I get my stuff together. I have one for one scholarship. I had two schools off me a full ride, one for one San Diego State Aztecs and coach Dennis Erickson.
00:53:00
Speaker 7: He was at Oregon State.
00:53:01
Speaker 1: Man.
00:53:01
Speaker 7: I hey, Joe, I squeezed to the crack I got. I got to Oregon State.
00:53:06
Speaker 6: Man all I needed, Joe, I just needed to be on the big stage, just to show them folks I could play.
00:53:12
Speaker 2: That's it.
00:53:13
Speaker 1: Well.
00:53:14
Speaker 6: Once I got to Oregon State, man I play. I was there four months. I ain't gole the man class. I ain't going to new classes. Yeah, this is my last shot. My singular focus were straight football. Hey, Joe, I showed out at Organ State that little what that little four months I had?
00:53:31
Speaker 7: Man, I got drafted in the second round.
00:53:33
Speaker 6: Despite all my issues, with all my troubles, all my off the field stuff, I ain't look bad.
00:53:39
Speaker 1: They say, well, uh uh uh uh uh Shannanda your grades where the rest of them? I say, these aren't looking too good. And the ones that's coming to min ain't gonna look much better. So I don't know, Joe, I don't know, y'all. Hop that's all I got for it. Hey, this is my friend. Hey, look by Pristvie. Year in college? Oh, Joe, ug got problem for they, so I couldn't play the first semester. Yeah, it's a freshman.
00:54:06
Speaker 2: I can go to the games.
00:54:07
Speaker 5: I gotta sit in the stands. I gotta watch the dude, I gotta watch my homies.
00:54:10
Speaker 2: Grind out there. You know what I mean.
00:54:12
Speaker 5: I can't compete, I'm like, so it built up of firing me. So when I did get eligible, I just took it out on everybody in the SEC, Bro, you know what I mean. So, yeah, you know, sometimes sometimes when things get delayed a little bit, you know, you can you can must up some fire to continue.
00:54:28
Speaker 1: You can must up some fireer when you get out there, you can let him know what's up, you know what I mean? And yes, for sure, that's why when it goes back to shador Man, uh, you know, wherever he goes, Bro, I'm sure he'll be happy and hopefully with that chip Man, let him know what's up, you know, pus, get back in the get back in the lab.
00:54:46
Speaker 2: You're absolutely.
00:54:47
Speaker 6: And the funny thing about it too, wherever Shadur come, wherever he goes.
00:54:53
Speaker 7: I love the saying it's not where you get drafted, it's what you do once you do there.
00:55:00
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and understand the competitor. I understand the competitor that he is and where he goes whoever and wherever he goes. If it's if it's a team that doesn't have one of the elite superstar quarterbacks, his competitive nature is gonna kick in and there's a chance that he can beat those quarterbacks out despite whatever odds or collusion they have against Dad. When he gets a chance, he gonna show him. I know that, just the competitor in him. He's not gonna he's not gonna. I'm not gonna hold his head. He's not gonna let it down. He just wants that opportunity. And once they open that door, and he closed it behind him, after playing after after they playing the game, they played.
00:55:44
Speaker 7: These plays two days, man child please man.
00:55:48
Speaker 1: Yeah from like I said, ont you, I went through something very similar. And I just remember having a conversation with my brother who came in there that night when I didn't go in the first three rounds, and I say bad. I went to the East West Shrine game. I went to the Blue Gray, I went to the I went to the Combine. I said, Man, them guys that they drafted ain't better than me. I said, they're not better than me. Spank, I said, I saw up, I see all of them.
00:56:11
Speaker 2: I said.
00:56:11
Speaker 1: I went to the East West Shrine game, and I was the best receiver there, I said, I said, I said.
00:56:17
Speaker 2: All I want is an opportunity.
00:56:19
Speaker 1: Give me a give me a helmet and some shoulder pass and hey, whoever comes, Hey, I'm gonna throw all y'all ass in the water. Whoever swell back to shore, that's who get it. Yeah, I like that, that's it, Like, hold on and what about the reports? What about the reports?
00:56:35
Speaker 6: Now this is happened. Multiple players have done this. He didn't throw at the combine.
00:56:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he but he threw. But he threw at his pro date. Yeah.
00:56:44
Speaker 1: There have been a lot of guys that don't throw. Because I want to throw. I want to throw the guys that's familiar with me. I'm familiar with them because if a guy, you're not gonna bring a guy in on a Sunday. And he hadn't thrown to those guys. So I wanted, you know, hey, I want to see how I know how my guy run routes. They know how I throw the ball.
00:57:03
Speaker 2: Boom. It's a perfect marriage.
00:57:04
Speaker 1: Because I want everybody to look good and possibly, oh Joe, there might be some guys if I don't throw with my pro day. If I don't throw, guess what this s guy's not gonna come to see them because everybody's not gonna be a first join second round pick. Might be some guys getting picked up as a free agent, so I want to cast shot, cast them any good light. Yeah, I just look, it's tough and nothing when you're going through something. Yeah, people that you're gonna be already a at this point, at that point in time, Ojoe, you ain't really trying to hear that because you can't see.
00:57:38
Speaker 2: All I can see was what's in front of me.
00:57:41
Speaker 1: Because it takes a special type of a person to see beyond their circumstances.
00:57:50
Speaker 2: All I can see is right here. No, not where I wish to be, not where I'm going to be.
00:57:58
Speaker 1: Because that's why a lot of people make decisions based on where they are currently, not where they wish to be.
00:58:07
Speaker 2: It's tough. It's tough.
00:58:09
Speaker 1: Uh. And I heard what you said, and you know, and like I said, I heard people say, well, I mean he really extremely confidence, but his game doesn't match the confidence coach prime. Wait, look, and I don't know if anybody that's selected now was even in the NFL or selected or in a position uh when Prime was there. So I don't know how I wouldn't You know, guys say I don't. I don't want to make this team's gonna Oh yo, you and I played this game, when we've covered this game, and we've been around this game along time. These teams gonna do it the hell they want to do now they don't y'all, y'all, they gonna make them have have this guy quarterback on how this guy is a coach.
00:58:50
Speaker 2: We gonna do what the health we want to do.
00:58:53
Speaker 1: They're gonna select who they want to select who they and they believe the Hey, we believe the guy, and they'll tell you, we believe dealing Rooks is better than you do it. We believe Jackson Dark, we believe Shook, we believe mill Rope, we believe their upside is better than your doer. How do how do we prove that that's not? I mean, y Dylan Gabriel did throw for had like one hundred and fifty. I mean, he got what sixteen seventeen thousand yards? He got one hundred and thirty hundred and forty plus tendown. I don't know, but I'm just saying it's.
00:59:33
Speaker 2: I just I don't know what chat.
00:59:36
Speaker 1: I'm at a lost I normally would it be able to have give you a good give you a good excuse or good reason. I don't like to use the word excuse. I would like to give you a reason why I think a person or a player slid. I have some intel red flags, even though I wouldn't tell you exactly, but I would, you know, hint around and then I'll let you deduce it for yourself.
01:00:00
Speaker 2: Oh, y'all, don't got nothing. I don't got nothing that. It's not about grades.
01:00:04
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a pre existing condition, he doesn't have oh the character issue that he has.
01:00:09
Speaker 2: He's extremely confident.
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Speaker 1: He believes in himself, which is I think that one of the most important things you can have as an athlete is confidence of believe in you, because if you don't believe in you, who the hell else will?
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Speaker 2: Joe Nobody? Yeah, you always got to believe in yourself. Man, the uthermodes.
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Speaker 1: All those all those days when I was training alone, wasn't nobody there, No coaches saw it, no other players.
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Speaker 2: I did this, I believe.
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Speaker 1: To me, I believe that I was preparing for something greater even though the circumstances that I was in currently. Look, and I mean it should tell you something. Yes, his dad gave him great opportunity, great coaches. He you know, he was with Braid and he had a throwing coaching, whatever the case may be. And that what they're supposed to do put the kids in the best situation so they can succeed. So why would I if I had the opportunity to put my kids in a situation that I think will enhance them or help them succeed. Nah, I'm not gonna do that. I want you to get it out of the mud like I did. What kind of sense does that make?
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Speaker 7: M H None at all?
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Speaker 6: Man, So listen, listen you if you don't need twenty twenty Vision and those in the chat, even if you don't like shrdor those in the chat, even if you don't like Prime, if you have common sense and you've been watching and seeing what's going on, you know what it is that at this point you know exactly what it is. I mean, it doesn't need to be said. Even if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before. If you feel the players that have gotten drafted before, sha door that at the quarterback position, even if you feel they're better.
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Speaker 7: Even if you do, you still know what it is.
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Speaker 6: And if you don't, you just being purposely you purposely being naive based on a personal vendetta that you might have against you know, the sayings family, this is never ever, ever, ever ever been done, and people saying and people saying he's not good and he can play at the next level, like stop, man, stop. You know, quarterback is one of the hardest positions to find, which is why some teams haven't had success in eons.
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Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, he come on now should he even got frank called by someone pretending to be from an NFL team and said, have to wait a little longer.
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Speaker 2: Man, whoever did this? Man?
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Speaker 1: Y'all, y'all, y'all have some clowns. Bro, Man, I don't even know why, y'all. I don't even know why you would do that. I mean, at that moment, guy's on edge and you're just hoping that you get a call. I mean that's I mean, that's the call you're really hoping that you get. Obviously you want to get it as early as you possibly can. But just and then somebody playing on the phone. Really, guys, come on man. Sean pay says, he's very surprised the doer hasn't been drafted yet. There'll be this chip on the shoulder. There'll be this chip on the shoulder. And beware, because this guy is gonna play in this league. Shoulders in good spirits after not get it drafted in day two. God don't make mistakes. I got faith in God no matter what. Yeah, check this out. Scholarship was justin Herbert's backup. He's eight days older than Trevor. Lawrence was a freshman at Oregon with Bo Bow. He turns twenty six when the season starts, and he's had three seasons that ended an injury. So now you're talking about Ojoe. Remember I said, does he have an injury history?
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Speaker 2: Does he have red flags that we don't know about?
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Speaker 1: Right, here's a guy that's about to be twenty six, had seasons in three different occasions with an injury.
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Speaker 2: That all I'm saying, y'all chat, take and do with that whatever you like. I think it's right. I think we have to. Oh, Jo and I when we talk sports and we talk. We have to give you context.
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Speaker 1: He says, Okay, this guy went here because I'm trying to explain, well, Shanon, maybe he has a preconditioned, pre existing condition. Maybe he's there's a character issue off the field, maybe have some kind of a problem. We don't know, but we know one guy is about to be twenty six. I don't know about you, O chobn.
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Speaker 9: When I got drafted, I was twenty two, Tue, I don't even know I was twenty two. I turned as a matter of fact, I got drafted in April. I was twenty one when I got drafted. I turned twenty two in June. This guy's about to turn twenty six. It's there's nothing, there's nothing we can do. We can just talk about it and then hoak s your door. Makes the best of it.
01:04:51
Speaker 1: Joe, let me ask you this, what do you think what's the equivalent of something like this happened in the NBA. Do you know a player that was rated extremely high and not only did he fall out of supposed to be a lottery pick, maybe a top five lottery pick, slid all the way out of the first round, slid all the way out of the second round because they only have two routes in the NBA and ended up having to become an NBA free agent.
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Speaker 5: The one person I can really remember is uh probably Rashard Lewis him sitting in the green room because you know that to the draft, and I think he was probably the last one in the green room and I think he thought he was going lottery and I think he ended up going in the second round. Okay, Yeah, that's that's tough, bro. Like I couldn't imagine that. Like it's already anxiety, you know, from being in there. They told me I was gonna be a top ten pick off the old Joe. So I was invited. I was invited to the green room. I'm sitting in there. Look even though you know people people don't made promises and all that, and I'm like, man, you never know, bro, you never right, you know what I mean. So uh, but it was definitely a surreal feeling, you know, getting drafted, getting getting a chance to shake David Stearns's hand.
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Speaker 2: Uh, just a memorable moment for me. And I remember it like it was yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Bro.
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Speaker 5: But yeah, outside of Rashad, I don't really know, Uh, nobody who's kind of got left back there like that.
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Speaker 2: But it's gotta be a tough feeling, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 5: Hey, look, yeah, Rashad had a great career from that bro. He probably still wearing a chip on his shoulders to this day.
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Speaker 1: You're probably you're probably right, yeah, when you look at I mean Thurman Thomas. Thurman Thomas ended up falling asleep. He thought he was gonna be a first round pick. He goes in the second round. Thurmas in the Hall of Fame. He wonted he run the m V p uh and I think ninety one, so uh yeah, but a precipitous fall like this, I can't recall it, never ever
