Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell And The Rotating Origin Story (10/28/26)

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I've always wondered how Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell came
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to be. How was their relationship fostered? Who introduced them?
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Was it on purpose? One thing I can tell you,
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in my opinion, is that there was never any love
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in this quote unquote relationship. I've always thought that it
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was a business arrangement. from the sources that I've spoke with,
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from the information that I've seen, I have never seen
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anything that would point me to them being in love
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with each other. In fact, all signs point to this
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being a business relationship. Today, Forbes has an article out
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talking about how Ghislaine Maxwell reportedly met Jeffrey Epstein through
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her pops. And now we've talked about this previously. The
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Sun had an article out talking about how Robert Maxwell
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supposedly bankrolled Jeffrey Epstein. And I've thought that for a
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very long time, right? I've said that for quite some
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time here, that it wasn't only Les Wexner giving Jeffrey
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Epstein money. That's absurd to think that that would be
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the only person that was bankrolling this. This was a vast,
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vast sale. of people who had one goal in mind,
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setting up this blackmail operation. And in my opinion, Robert
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Maxwell laid the groundwork for it all to start before
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he died. I think that Robert Maxwell played a huge
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role in getting this off the ground. And I think
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he was a key component in bringing Jeffrey Epstein and
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Ghislaine Maxwell together. I've said that for quite some time,
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and I still believe that. I have seen nothing that
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would change my mind and point me in the direction
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that Jeffrey Epstein was in love with Ghislaine Maxwell. I'm sorry,
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but that just does not smell like a good meal
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for me. All right, so let's jump in here and
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see what Forbes has to say about it all. Headline,
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Ghislaine Maxwell reportedly met Jeffrey Epstein through her disgraced father. Author,
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Lisette Voitko. Top line. Ghislaine Maxwell, alleged recruiter of Jeffrey
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Epstein's sex ring of underage girls, co-conspirator, fellow child abuser,
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general all-around scumbag, is awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges
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and reportedly met the now-dead financier, pedophile, through her father,
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the tabloid colossus Robert Maxwell, according to a new podcast
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on Epstein's dark web of abuse. And he might have
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been one early source of Epstein's wealth, catapulted him into
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the upper echelon of society. Yeah, it's rather obvious that
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Robert Maxwell had his pocketbook open for Jeffrey Epstein. If
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they were thinking about this blackmail ring, if they had
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this plan in place, the blueprint of it, well, all
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they needed were the players on the stage. And Jeffrey
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Epstein was the perfect candidate. He already had disgusting proclivities
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that were well-known. and they knew that he was malleable
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enough money here enough money there he can be steered
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in the right direction and then for the kicker you
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bring in Ghislaine Maxwell to make sure that everything runs
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smoothly see how it all comes together here folks Key facts.
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According to the latest episode of Broken Seeking Justice podcast,
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Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell met as early as 1988 through
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her father, said convicted Ponzi schemer Steve Hoffenberg, who once
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worked with Epstein, who also claims for the first time
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that Epstein and Robert Maxwell had business dealings together, although
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the podcast could not corroborate this. Well, there's a lot
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of talk about it, right? There's a lot of whispering
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a lot of things being said about Robert Maxwell and
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his role in getting all of this off the ground.
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And I think we'll hear more of that as the
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trial gets closer. And if more people obviously are indicted,
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they will have a song to sing. Now, I'm not
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too sure if we're ever going to really be able
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to pinpoint the origins of this or if we'll just
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be left to speculate. As of now, though, In my opinion,
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Robert Maxwell played a huge role at the beginning, folks,
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at the beginning of setting this all in motion and
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making sure that somebody that he could trust, a confidant,
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somebody that he knew understood what the goal was, was involved.
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And that somebody was his daughter, Ghislaine Maxwell. Two additional
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sources backed up the claim that Robert Maxwell was the
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person who brought his prized daughter together with Epstein, including
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a former Epstein staffer who was told by Ghislaine Maxwell
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while she forced them to look at eight albums worth
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of photos from her father's funeral. Look, it's very obvious
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to me anyway, that Ghislaine Maxwell learned her craft at
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her father's side on the knee of her father. While
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you and I were growing up and our fathers were
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teaching us life lessons about, you know, whatever it may be,
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Ghislaine's father was teaching her how to manipulate, how to scam,
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how to cheat, and how to plot. And those are
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lessons that daddy's little girl obviously took to her black heart.
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Ghislaine Maxwell told the staffer that Epstein was someone who
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could take care of her emotionally. and was firm that
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his finances weren't the source of her interest, according to
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the podcast, which aligns with reports that the pair dated
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at one point and remained friends. See, there's my contention there.
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They might have dated as a cover, but there was
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no love there, in my opinion. And again, it wasn't
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about the money, like some people have stated, because even
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though Maxwell was disgraced, even though Maxwell lost a bunch
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of money, do you really think that the Maxwell family
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didn't have money squirreled away? Do you think that they
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were left with just nothing? I highly doubt that, folks.
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And I know that Ghislaine Maxwell had many, many different options,
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many different ways she could have went. But she ended
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up with Jeffrey Epstein. She ended up in that sphere.
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And when all of the information has come out and
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when we have the benefit of hindsight, we see that
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not only did she end up running around with Jeffrey
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Epstein as some lover or a victim as some people
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would like to paint her. We see the true face,
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and that face is Ghislaine Maxwell had a leadership role
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here and was a key component in getting this off
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of the ground. Robert Maxwell might have been a source
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of Epstein's wealth, according to the podcast, citing a 2010
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deposition from bookkeeper Maritza Vasquez in a Florida civil lawsuit
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in which she says Maxwell started Epstein's money. a claim
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only previously reported by tabloid The Sun through an anonymous source.
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And it's funny that they mention, oh, The Sun's a tabloid. Well,
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they might be a tabloid, and they might talk about
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some wild shit in other areas, but they've done a
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good job in this Jeffrey Epstein case. And it shows
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you just how much of a dumpster fire the legacy
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media is. They're getting scooped on the Epstein case by
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The Sun. Imagine that. Imagine having all the resources of
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the BBC or CNN or one of these other garbage outlets,
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and you get scooped by the sun. Vasquez also said
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in the deposition that Epstein had a relationship with a woman,
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that her father was very wealthy, and that's how he
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started his own money. Of course it is. Golly. Look,
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so Ghislaine Maxwell was set up with Jeffrey Epstein through
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the intelligence version of Match.com, right? And then she was
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launched into his orbit, was told that she had some
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funds that were at her discretion, and her and Jeffrey
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Epstein started laying the groundwork for this criminal enterprise. All
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bankrolled on the back of Robert Maxwell and whatever intelligence
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handlers had their palms on him at the time. My
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guess is the CIA. Lawyers for Maxwell did not respond
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to a request by Forbes to confirm how she met
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Epstein or if Robert Maxwell was a source of Epstein's wealth. Yeah,
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she's not going to, you know, why would she talk
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about that right now? That would be stupid. So if
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anyone thinks we're going to get any context from Ghislaine
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Maxwell or that she's going to add anything for us,
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you're going to be waiting for quite some time. Critical quote.
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In addition to these accounts, there's also a photo snapped
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a mere 19 days after Robert Maxwell's death that intimately
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links Epstein and Ghislaine. Shot at the Plaza Hotel during
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a memorial event for Robert Maxwell, the picture shows Ghislaine
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and Epstein in conversation. Reporter M. Saul says in the episode,
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It doesn't look like a first date. That's because it's
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not a first date. See, I'm really glad that this
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broken podcast has come out and somebody with resources who
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is honorable like Tara Palmieri is involved because she's going
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to get to the bottom of this kind of stuff, right?
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She's not going to just sit by and let this
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shit slide. She sees it all. Everybody sees it all.
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The problem is the legacy media doesn't have the courage
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to run it because they're still scared of these people.
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And in some cases, some of their faves are caught
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up in it. But the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell and
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Jeffrey Epstein, the origin story is this love affair that
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blossomed and then they grew apart, it's such bullshit in
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my opinion, okay? This was and always has been a clinical,
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surgically precise operation. Big number. $ 590 million. That's how much
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of pension funds stolen by Robert Maxwell from his mirror
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group publishing company went missing after his mysterious 1991 death.
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A presumed drowning after falling from his yacht, the Lady Ghislaine,
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into the sea off the Canary Islands. Just happens to
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be that he died on the boat, huh? Another person
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who just happened to commit suicide around Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell,
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and the rest of these scoundrels. They really think we're
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that stupid. Now, I don't have any evidence that Robert
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Maxwell didn't commit suicide. But when you look at all
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of the evidence that's lined up and you look. at
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the players on the stage, do you really think that
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it's beyond any of these people to clip somebody like
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Maxwell out at sea if they think he's going to
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rat on them or expose a plan or if he
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has outlived his usefulness? That's what these people do. Intelligence
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agencies burn assets all of the time, folks. The podcast
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raises questions about where his money got off to after
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he died, since it's never been recovered. At the time
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of his August 2019 death by suicide, Epstein's assets totaled
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$ 578 million. And Ghislaine Maxwell had $ 20 million to her
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name at the time of her July arrest, according to prosecutors.
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So remember what Epstein told everybody, right? He was a
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forensic accountant, basically, who worked for the government, who went
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and recovered money for the United States government. We know
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that he was a prolific, prolific money launderer. And we
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know that he had many, many front companies where he
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could stash this money. Now, Robert Maxwell's money still has
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never been found. You mean to tell me that it's
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out of the realm of possibility? That Jeffrey Epstein somehow
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took control of that $ 590 million and did Lord only
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knows what with it? Not out of the realm of
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possibility in my book, especially considering that none of that
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money was in the bank. None of that money was
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anywhere where the government could seize it. And now remember, folks,
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we're not dealing with average people here. We're dealing with
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people who are locked into the world of spycraft and intrigue.
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And guys like Robert Maxwell, for as repugnant as they are,
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they know their shit. And if you think for a
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minute that Robert Maxwell went to his grave leaving none
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of that money around for the operation or for his kids, well,
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you're being very naive. The new episode, Broken, Seeking Justice,
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seeks to unravel the tangled mystery surrounding Ghislaine Maxwell, who's
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often been referred to as Epstein's alleged madam. Maria Farmer,
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an alleged Epstein survivor, told the podcast she would drive
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around Manhattan's Central Park with Maxwell in the 90s scouting
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for models. Maxwell, Farmer said, would jump out of the
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car and invite girls back to Epstein's sprawling mansion to audition.
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And we've heard from Maria about all of this stuff
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and how she used to call them nubiles and how
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mean she was and the sort of character that she possessed.
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This is a woman... who was obviously, obviously reared in
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a world of intrigue. Farmer, who worked the front desk
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at the mansion, would sometimes see those girls come in
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and told the podcast she witnessed a couple of the
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girls crying as they left. In a November 2019 civil
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lawsuit against Epstein's estate, Farmer claims Epstein and Maxwell assaulted
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her at his New Mexico ranch in 1996 and describes
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the grooming and recruiting tactics allegedly used by the duo.
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It all goes into it, right? These are all tactics
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that these sort of cells, these intelligence cells, teach you.
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They teach you how to procure assets. In this case,
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those assets, it's disgusting to even say, were little girls
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and girls. and they were used as bait, basically, for
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this blackmail operation. As of Wednesday, Maxwell is awaiting trial
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in a Brooklyn federal lockup on charges of enticing and
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transporting minors as part of Epstein's alleged sex ring, along
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with committing perjury during her 2016 depositions that are part
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of a defamation case filed by another alleged survivor, Virginia Roberts,
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to which she entered a not guilty plea and denied
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all previous allegations. So one thing that I've always wondered
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here is how is it that R. Kelly gets hit
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with violations of the Mann Act, but Ghislaine Maxwell isn't
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facing Mann Act violations here, at least not in this
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original case. set of charges now as you all know
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I believe that there will be a superseded indictment and
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I think that more charges are going to follow but
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I don't understand how she is not in violation of
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the Mann Act tangent at a 1992 Manhattan party for
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Ghislaine Maxwell Maxwell's mother Betty Maxwell rumors flew that Epstein
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likes schoolgirls and Ghislaine Maxwell was helping him find them
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with none of the wealthy socialites in attendance questioning it,
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the podcast says, citing former friend and journalist Christopher Mason. So,
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look folks, that's just a little bit more of the
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origin story of Ghislaine Maxwell, right? Now, I might be
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completely wrong. Again, this is my working hypothesis here. I
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don't have tangible evidence to prove this. I can't give
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you bank statements or anything like that. All I have
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to go on is what we know so far and
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by putting the pieces of the puzzle together. And when
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you start to put those pieces of the puzzle together,
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it's rather obvious, at least to me, that Robert Maxwell
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was a big part of getting Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine
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Maxwell together and putting this whole entire operation into play.
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If you'd like to contact me, you could do that
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at bobbycapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com. You can
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also find me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. All right, folks,
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all of the links that go with this episode can
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be found in the description box. We got a little
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bit more background on Ghislaine Maxwell and how she met
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Jeffrey Epstein on the Broken podcast last Wednesday. According to
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the podcast, Maxwell was set up with Jeffrey Epstein by
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her pops so he could take care of her emotionally. Me?
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I don't believe that. Okay? I'll come out and say
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it right off the jump. Emotionally? Yeah, sorry, I don't
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buy it. Okay? Okay? A robot like her, she don't
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have emotions. Her father, good old Big Bob Maxwell, introduced
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them so that they could get this operation up and running.
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That is what I believe. That is where the evidence
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has led me. And I don't think that anyone can
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dispute the fact, once you look at all of the evidence,
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that Ghislaine Maxwell was acting like In a leadership position.
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During this whole entire run. When they first started. Maxwell
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was in charge right. Of all the recruiting procuring. And
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then they brought in the core four. And that's when Maxwell.
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Jumped to the next level. She had underlings below her.
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She had people carrying out. Her orders. So. The whole.
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Jeffrey Epstein was taking care of her. Emotionally. leads a
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little bit too close to the edge of turning her
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into a victim for me. So, sorry, I don't buy that.
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I just don't buy it. As you all know, I've been...
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pretty clear about how I feel about Ghislaine Maxwell. I
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think that she is the brains behind this whole entire operation.
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And Epstein had a couple of bucks and the proclivities.
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So let's jump into this article and see what the
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Daily Mail has to say about Ghislaine Maxwell and being
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introduced to Jeffrey Epstein by her dad. Headline, Billionaire Matchmaker.
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Ghislaine Maxwell was set up with pedophile Jeffrey Epstein by
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her disgraced newspaper baron father, Robert, so he could take
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care of her emotionally. This article was authored by Daniel Bates.
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Ghislaine Maxwell once revealed that her father introduced her to
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Jeffrey Epstein to take care of her emotionally. Oh yeah,
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because everything that comes out of Ghislaine Maxwell's mouth is
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what we should listen to, right? So if she's saying
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that the relationship was started for her to be taken
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care of emotionally, we have to try and look in
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between the lines and see what that really means. Because
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we all know we can't listen to anything this lady says.
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Everything that's come out of her mouth has been BS,
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it seems like. The pedophile's alleged chief recruiter confessed to
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one of his staffers that the late newspaper baron, Robert Maxwell,
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set her up with Epstein. Robert apparently believed that Epstein
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could provide her with the support she needed. Yeah, okay.
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Maybe that's their cover story. These people that run in
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these circles, the circles of intelligence, the circles of spycraft,
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do you really think you're ever going to get the
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truth out of them? Again, watch a show like The
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Americans and you'll see what I'm talking about. These people
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make up whole entire identities and realities to hide within.
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You really think that Ghislaine Maxwell... is above sowing some
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seeds of discontent, sowing a little bit of seeds of
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doubt and talking to the staffer and saying that she
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was set up by her dad because of the emotional support.
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It's a good story, right? It's a good cover story,
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especially for her later on down the line if she
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wants to set herself up as a victim in all
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of this, right? Again, this bipedal serpent... is thinking 50
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moves ahead. Maxwell insisted that Epstein was not there to
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help financially and was very clear on that point, the
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staffer said. Yeah, no shit, because Maxwell, Epstein was being
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paid by her dad amongst others. Well, we don't think
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that Robert Maxwell was bankrolling Jeffrey Epstein's nonsense. We don't
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think that Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were making moves
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together on the financial front. Look, we don't have direct
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evidence of that yet, but it's coming, I'm sure. And
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the fact that Jeffrey Epstein and Robert Maxwell had so
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many mutual friends, it just does not make any sense
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to me that Robert Maxwell would not have been bankrolling
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Jeffrey Epstein in some capacity. So of course it wasn't
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about the money. The money was how they facilitated their
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criminal enterprise. According to Broken Seeking Justice, an investigative podcast
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about the Epstein case, Maxwell met Epstein in 1988 and
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not after her father died in 1991, which is what
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was previously suggested. Suggested by whom, by the way? These
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same people that show up all of a sudden and
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have all of the answers? We've been talking about this
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part of the case for how long now here on
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this podcast? The fact that she obviously didn't meet him
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right after her father's death, how they had a relationship
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previous to that. We've talked about that a bunch here
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on this podcast and so has others. And yet now
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we got the legacy media involved and all of a
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sudden they're covering groundbreaking news, right? This is a groundbreaking report. No,
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just adds a little more context for us, right? A
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little more meat on the bone. If this is true,
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then it changes the dynamic about the couple and suggests
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that Maxwell did not befriend Epstein while in mourning for Robert,
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who fell off his yacht in the Canary Islands in
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mysterious circumstances. Yeah, he fell off his yacht. There's about
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as much chance that Robert Maxwell fell off that yacht
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as there is of me of walking into one of
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these casinos here in Las Vegas and winning megabucks. It
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is absurd that they would actually think that any of
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us would believe that Robert Maxwell wasn't clipped. Come on, man.
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In fact, 19 days after Robert's death, Maxwell was photographed
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at the Plaza Hotel in New York at a memorial
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event for her father. She sits wearing a blue silk jacket,
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smiling at Epstein, who is in a white bow tie
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with a big grin on his face. Hardly the look
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of two people meeting for the first time. Uh, yeah.
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It was pretty obvious when that picture was revealed, right?
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It's pretty obvious for anyone who's been following the case
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that the timelines didn't add up. They just did not
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add up. Ghislaine Maxwell was not some shrinking violet who
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needed the support of a man, okay, in the wake
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of her father's death. That does not fit with who
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she is, with the image of who she is, with
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who we know she is. The latest episode of the
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podcast delves into when Maxwell and Epstein met. and began
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a relationship that would last for some years in the 1990s. Oh,
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just in the 1990s, huh? No, much longer, all the way,
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probably all the way up till the second arrest, all right?
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We've seen the emails. We saw the email that came
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out in the hearing. So stop it, okay? Just stop it.
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According to federal prosecutors, during this time, Maxwell groomed girls
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as young as 14, charges she denies and will stand
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trial next July. Seeking Justice quotes numerous people who knew
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Maxwell and Epstein who say that they met before Robert's death. Yeah,
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they certainly did. This just happened overnight? This whole entire scheme?
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This whole entire plot? Hell no. This plot had been
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hatched for quite some time. Maxwell, the rest of his
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buddies in the mega group, the boys at the CIA,
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they were just waiting for the right tools to do
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the job. And Epstein showed up. And Maxwell, who they
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already knew because of her father, decided to slide in.
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And boy, it was a match made in heaven for
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the CIA and the rest of their lackeys. That's right.
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The Mossad is a lackey of the CIA. Yeah, that's right.
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All of them. All of these intelligence services, in fact.
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What do you think? Any of them can do anything
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without the CIA knowing? One friend says that they understood
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the paramount in London through Robert. But she wasn't interested
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in him immediately. Yeah, no shit. That wasn't what it
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was about. It was never about love. It was never
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about emotional attachment. It was never about, oh, Jeffrey's such
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a great guy. I want to be with him for
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the rest of my life. It was all a means
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to an end. It was all about putting together this
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operation and then making sure that it ran in a
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seamless manner. And that's what they did for decades with
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their help, with the help from their friends, I mean,
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at the corrupt FBI, the CIA, and insert your favorite
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politician here. One friend says that they understood the pair
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met in London through Robert, but she wasn't interested in
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him immediately. The former Epstein staffer, who is not named,
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says they were told a similar story by Maxwell herself. Yeah,
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you know, look, the best lies have a little truth
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sprinkled in, don't they? Maxwell was planning her cover story
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a long time ago, from where I'm sitting. That's most
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certainly what it looks like to me. Let's sow those seeds.
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Let's let them grow for a little while. And then eventually,
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if I ever get nailed, we can come back to
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this part and we can say that I was a victim.
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That's how she rolls. But in reality, we all know
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the score, don't we? Everybody has been paying attention, Ghislaine.
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And your tired old tricks are not going to work.
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And neither are these BS cover stories. The staffer recalled
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an unsettling visit to Maxwell's Manhattan apartment in the early
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90s when she pulled out eight photo albums of her
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father's funeral in Israel. Eight photo albums from a funeral
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in Israel, huh? Nah, Robert Maxwell had no connections to
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anybody in intelligence. Why would he be given a state
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funeral in Israel? Ask yourselves that. Afterwards, the staffer was
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ready to jump off a bridge, but then Maxwell said
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something that surprised them. According to journalist Emily Saul, out
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of the blue, Ghislaine said her dad actually connected her
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with Epstein. Well, yeah, look, I'm glad that this podcast, Broken,
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is out there to help the unsullied and stuff. But
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those of us who have been following this for quite
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some time, we were all hip to this, right? We
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all heard Maria Farmer's interviews. We've all heard everything that
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had come before her. And when you put the pieces together,
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it's quite obvious that this wasn't some love romance. This
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wasn't some situation where the two of them fell in
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love and they were skipping through a field and one
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of them was frolicking through flowers. None of that was occurring.
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This was a relationship of mutual beneficial scumbaggery. The idea
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was Epstein was someone who could take care of her emotionally,
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not financially. Ghislaine was very clear on that last part. Again,
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cover story in my opinion. Could I be wrong? Sure.
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Might I be out to lunch here? Maybe. But so far,
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I think my track record is pretty good of sniffing
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this sort of shit out. And I'll tell you what,
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my big ol' schnoz is sniffing out some BS here.
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Others have had different theories about Maxwell and Epstein's relationship.
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Prince Andrew's cousin, Christina Oxenberg, has told DailyMail.com that she
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got to know the couple in 1993 and thought that
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Maxwell wanted to marry Epstein, but he wasn't interested. Again,
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I do not buy that story. Could have Ghislaine put
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on that mask and acted like the dough in love?
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Of course she could have. She was very good at that.
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She's very good at manipulating the situation. But do I
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think that this was a love situation where these two
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were in love? No, I do not. Epstein's former housekeeper
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in Palm Beach, Juan Alessi, has claimed that Maxwell once
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told him, I hate him, but I can't leave. Yeah, well,
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we could take that a bunch of ways, right? The
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way I take it is, she can't leave because her
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handlers haven't given her the okay to stop the operation.
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And you think Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell wielded power?
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Wait till you get a load of the intelligence agencies.
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In the podcast, Epstein survivor Maria Farmer, who claims that
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Epstein and Maxwell sexually assaulted her, said that she saw
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the recruiting operation herself when she worked for them in
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the mid-1990s. This was long before they had allegedly set
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up the pyramid of recruiters that would allegedly funnel dozens
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of women to Epstein, and it was just Ghislaine doing it.
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Farmer says that at 3 p.m. on the dot every day,
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Ghislaine would materialize on edge and was always dressed immaculately.
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From Epstein's mansion on Manhattan's Upper East Side, they could
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hear the school bells ringing for the end of the day,
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and Maxwell would get all hysterical and say, I need
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to get new biles. I mean, can you imagine? Imagine
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being near somebody who acted this way? I can't even
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imagine what Maria went through with these sick bastards. It's
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just unbelievable. Farmers said they would drive around the neighborhood
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and hunted children. She said Ghislaine would say, I got
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to get a model, got to get a Victoria's Secret model.
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I was dumb enough to believe it. I believed it
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until I didn't. Who would think this woman would be
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a British witch? She was so nice. So the cover
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story always was for the workers that worked for Jeffrey
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Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell at the townhouse, the ones that
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weren't involved. The cover story was, oh, I have to
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get a model. I'm looking for a model for Victoria's
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Secret or I'm looking for whatever, an actress or whatever
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it may be. I'd seen her go drive up half
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central park, tell the driver, stop the car. She would
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jump out. She would give a phone number. She would
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give a phone number, write it down, give it to
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the kids. Everybody always loved her because she seemed so trustworthy.
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It was pretty wild the way she would run out
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and get people. I did recognize some of the girls
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we met in the park the next day when she
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came in to audition for modeling. She was really excited.
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Farmer said that after seeing Epstein, a couple of them
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were crying. I don't remember seeing anyone return ever. And remember,
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Maria called the FBI on these people and the FBI
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did squants. They did nothing. Not a thing. Virginia Roberts,
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another Epstein survivor who claims she was forced to have
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sex with Prince Andrew, says that's because Maxwell looks like
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a nice Mary Poppins figure. You had to trust her.
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Maxwell was so proud of her prowess as a recruiter
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that on a trip to Paris, she chastised Roberts for
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failing at it. You had to trust her because you're
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a Mary Poppins figure. I'll tell you what, that's one
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reason I'm glad that I grew up where I grew up,
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because I don't trust a soul until I can trust you.
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You get it? Until you've proven to me you're trustworthy,
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I don't trust you. You're a stranger. I don't know you.
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I don't know your intentions. I'm not running around with
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my eyes closed thinking that people have good intentions for
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me because life has most certainly shown me the complete opposite.
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Robert said, she said, I just can't believe how bad
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you are at it. Pick any girl in the square.
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A pretty orange haired girl walked past. She said, I'm
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going to go up to her. You watch. We're going
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to have her over tonight. Sure enough, that girl was
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at the hotel that night. And this is another reason
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why I'm so adamant about Ghislaine Maxwell getting the book
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thrown at her about getting slapped with RICO charges. The
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way she brazenly went about her business, the way she
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just went after these schoolchildren is enough to make me sick.
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And then you have people who act like it was
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only the girls that we have heard from. No. No.
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Times that by 20, 30, 50, 100, whatever it may be.
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But there are so many girls who we have not
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heard from yet. Girls that have not come forward. Girls
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that might not even be with us anymore. This has
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been happening for a long time. Who the hell knows?
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My point is, there are so many other people out
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there that have been victimized by Ghislaine Maxwell and her machinations.
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Ghislaine was so proud of herself because she proved to
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me I was really shitty at procuring girls, and she
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was amazing at it. There was no sorrow or even,
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you're doing something wrong, you shouldn't do it. There was
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nothing like that. It was just a game to her.
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And that's how it is with all these rich people, right?
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We're just pieces on a chessboard for them, basically. They
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don't give a damn about me or you or anybody else.
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All of these clowns, all of these politicians, all of
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these shitbirds that get up on their ivory tower... and
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talk about how much they care about the people, huh?
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That's this whole entire so-called polite society. Maxwell stayed in
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Epstein's orbit until after he was investigated by Palm Beach
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police in 2005 and later agreed to a sweetheart plea
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deal under which he served just 15 months in prison.
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Robert said that Maxwell caught when there was trouble, adding
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that Ghislaine only cares about one thing, and that's Ghislaine. Huh,
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where else have you guys heard that, huh? How long
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have I been preaching that here on this podcast? Ghislaine
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Maxwell only cares about herself, only cares about consolidating her power,
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and only cares about making sure she's not the one
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left twisting in the wind. So if you were friends
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with Ghislaine Maxwell, if you were cavorting with Ghislaine Maxwell,
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if you were having private vegetarian dinners with Ghislaine Maxwell,
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you should be on notice that your number might be
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pulled next. If you'd like to contact me, you can
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do that at bobbycapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com.
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You can also find me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I.
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All of the links that go with this episode can
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be found in the description box along with the page.
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What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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Journalist and author John Sweeney has recently released a book
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about Ghislaine Maxwell. And today we're going to talk about
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that book a little bit, and talk about the review
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of that book that The Telegraph has put out. So,
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let's get to it. Headline, Hunting Galane Review, Queasy Biography
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of an Abuser Who Saw Sex as Currency. John Sweeney's
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new book sheds fresh light on Maxwell's servile, abusive relationship
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with her father, but its prose will make you cringe. Now,
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I haven't read this book yet. I'll probably grab it
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off of Audible and get to it in the next
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few weeks as I try to do with most of
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these books that come out covering this topic. So I
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don't have much to offer in the way of personal
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experience as far as reading the book yet. But I
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found this review to be relatively interesting. This article was
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authored by Mick Brown. With Ghislaine Maxwell now confined to
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a cell in Florida's Tallahassee Federal Correctional Institute, serving a
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sentence of 20 years for conspiring with Jeffrey Epstein to
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sexually abuse minors, and with the names of those wealthy
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and powerful men to whom, it is alleged, Epstein peddled
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sexual favors still waiting disclosure, comes yet another chapter in
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this most horrific saga. Well, that's pretty much spot on.
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Horrific saga, for sure. She definitely has some names that
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nobody is aware of or that people need confirmation of.
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The question is, would she ever play ball? And so far,
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it certainly seems like the answer to that question is no.
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Hunting Ghislaine by the investigative journalist John Sweeney is based
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on Sweeney's popular 2020 podcast of the same name. It's
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a story with which we are all familiar, overly familiar perhaps,
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but while Sweeney draws copiously on the extensive reporting done
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by others, his book carefully researched and written in a
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breezy journalese casts a new light on the complex character
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of Ghislaine Maxwell and her fateful relationship with Epstein and
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her father. So my guess is we're going to rehash
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a bunch of old territory here, maybe get some, you know,
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new information, a tidbit here or there, some insight. But
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the overall story is what it is. There is no
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excuse under this sun for Maxwell to engage in the
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abuse that she engaged in. Robert Maxwell was untamable, dangerous, unpredictable,
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with power over all he surveyed. Physically huge, brutal, narcissistic,
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and sadistic, he was hated by almost everybody he came
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into contact with, except for the youngest of his nine children, Ghislaine,
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whom he apparently adored, but not enough to restrain his
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bullying and frequent beatings. Look, some people are just like that.
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There are some people out there who shouldn't have children.
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And if you're going to abuse your children, you, my friend,
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are one of those people. And it seems like Robert
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Maxwell was an abusive dickhead. Sweeney offers fresh light here.
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We think of Ghislaine as Maxwell's spoiled favorite, which she was.
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Yet at the same time, he treated her appallingly. Nothing
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was too good for her, but nothing she did would
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ever be good enough for him. Her adoration seems almost
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Stockholm Syndrome-like. It is clear that Ghislaine was damaged long
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before her father toppled off the back of his 180-foot
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luxury yacht. The Lady Ghislaine, serendipitously avoiding the revelation that
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he had been embezzling £ 460 million from the Mira pension scheme.
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And again, another coincidental... suicide, if you will, surrounding the
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Maxwell-Epstein story. Now, am I going to sit here and
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tell you that Robert Maxwell didn't take a topple off
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of that boat? No, I'm not. I don't know I
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wasn't there. But it sure seems a bit suspect to
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me that on the evening, basically, of him being outed
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as embezzling this money, he happens to, quote-unquote, fall while
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he's taking a whiz off the side of his boat. Okay,
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I guess. Reading Sweeney's description of her hopelessly servile, horribly
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abusive relationship with her father, it is hard not to
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feel some sympathy for her. A sentiment quickly extinguished when
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you consider that she has shown no sympathy nor remorse
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for the young girl she pimped on Epstein's behalf. You
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mean abused on Epstein's behalf, right? I'm not going to
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give her the out by saying, oh, she's just the pimp.
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That's not what she was. That would infer that these
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women were being sold. They weren't being sold. Jeffrey Epstein
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was providing this quote-unquote service, if you will, so that
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he could get information from these encounters. So it wasn't
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like Heidi Fleiss. You couldn't pick up the phone and
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call Jeffrey Epstein and be like, hey, send me your
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girl for $ 1. 50. That wasn't what he was doing. Sweeney
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explores the theories about Epstein having laundered Robert Maxwell's ill-gotten
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gains without ever getting to the bottom of it. But
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it seems clear that Ghislaine knew Epstein or of him
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before she flew to New York in the wake of
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her father's death. She became Epstein's lover and the manager
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of his various homes, although they never cohabitated. He had
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his mansion and she had the mansion he bought for her.
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The whole thing about her not knowing Epstein until she
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got to New York is a bunch of bubkis. They
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knew each other. Now, were they intimately friendly? I don't know.
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But they certainly knew who each other were and of
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each other. In a sense, they were made for each other.
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He was the powerful male figure and key to a
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life of luxury that she had lost when Robert Maxwell
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went overboard. She had a Rolodex of connections, not least
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Prince Andrew, who could provide the shady financier, pedophile, with
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a veneer of social respectability and cachet. That's what he
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was looking for. That's certainly part of it. He wanted
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to be accepted in all of those circles. And he
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knew that his money alone wouldn't get him there. And
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he couldn't connive his way there. So he needed the
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vehicle to get into these social circles. And that was
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Ghislaine Maxwell. Then, there was the shared interest in sex. Epstein,
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as Donald Trump observed, had a widely known enthusiasm for
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young girls. According to one visitor, there was only one
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book on view on his home, the Marquis de Sade's
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The Misfortune of Virtue. And I'm sure most of you
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are familiar with the Marquis de Sade and his writings.
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Probably not the only book you'd want hanging out on
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the shelf. Ghislaine was a partying girl. vivacious, fun, and
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in Sweeney's words, sexed up big time. Perhaps carried away
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by the tawdryness of the subject matter, Sweeney's writing can
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sometimes veer alarmingly to a sort of Mickey Spillane redux.
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Kevin Maxwell's spirited wife, Pandora, is described as his ballsy squeeze. Hey, look,
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a little flowery wordplay is never a bad idea for
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a book. At the end of the day, you have
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to entertain. If you're writing a book, people have to
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be entertained by it. One female acquaintance recalls a party
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at Robert Maxwell's posh council house, Headington Hall, rented from
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the local authority, where Ghislaine organized a game of guess-whos,
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in which the men would be blindfolded and the women
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remove their bras to be fondled and groped. Ghislaine says
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she saw sex simply as a currency. Another puts it
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more bluntly saying she was obsessed. And there's been a
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lot of stories about this instance and that game that
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she allegedly set up and how uncomfortable it made some people.
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But my guess is a lot of people weren't uncomfortable
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by it because a lot of people share her proclivities.
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They might not be outed yet, but there's a lot
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of sick people out there, folks. And a lot of
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them are in so-called polite society. Puritanism sickens the soul,
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Sweeney writes, purse-lipped. And I am no Puritan, but the
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evidence is clear that Ghislaine's sexuality was charged. Unusually so.
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And under most circumstances, I don't care if you want
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to be a sexual person. You want to go out
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and you want to have sex with people? That's your business.
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What do I care? As long as people are consenting.
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But that's what we're talking about here, right? A bunch
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of girls who didn't consent. In New York, under Epstein's sway,
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she would go on hunting expeditions for adolescent girls, ostensibly
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to audition them as models. I've got to go get
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the newbiles, she told one of Epstein's employees, meaning Maria Farmer.
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Maria Farmer told us all about the newbiles and what
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Ghislaine Maxwell used to say to her. A number of
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girls subsequently turned up at his house, wearing school uniforms
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and braces on their teeth. Sweeney methodically chronicles the steps
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of grooming, spotting the victim as being vulnerable, unstable, from
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a broken home. The friendly approach, the offer of a
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job advancement or simply ready cash. The seemingly innocent suggestion
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of giving Epstein a massage, the ensuing abuse and entrapment.
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And that's how it all worked out. You go over there,
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it starts out with a massage. Before you know it,
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you're caught up in the web and you're not only
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being abused, you're bringing your friends over to be abused
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as well. Sweeney theorizes that like a cult victim, just
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as Ghislaine could never bring herself to believe her father
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was the monster, he probably was. So she blinded herself
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to Epstein's depravity, even as she became a willing accomplice
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to it. I don't see it that way. Sorry. No way.
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She knew exactly what she was doing and she did
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it with all the gusto in the world. A former
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acquaintance sees it differently, observing that Ghislaine would not be
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the first woman who possesses sexual picadillo of sharing women
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with her boyfriend. Underlying all of that was her libertarian
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sexual appetites. That played a lot into it. She had
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her own proclivities, there's no doubt. There's no doubt about it.
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The book has the feeling of being written in a hurry.
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The structure is frequently haphazard. It is poorly edited. The
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breezy tone begins to grate. In a list of scientists
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courted by Epstein, who was apparently interested in cryogenics and
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wanted his brain and penis frozen, Stephen Hawking is described
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as the late great astronomer, Oliver Sacks as the brain boffin.
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Both men attended parties thrown by Epstein, where the knapes
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were handed out by stunningly beautiful models out of a catalogue.
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Pondering why the boffins allowed themselves to be courted by
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such a transparent chancer as Epstein, Sweeney writes, Prudently adding,
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that any of the stellar intellects committed any wrongdoing. Well,
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except for the ones that Virginia has pointed to. How
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about those guys? Probably a few questions to ask them.
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Sweeney's strengths as a reporter show themselves in his account
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of Maxwell's trial, forensically detailing the abuse that occurred at
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Epstein's numerous properties, the degree of her complicity in the crimes,
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and the cruelty in her denials, effectively making the victim
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suffer twice over and having to relive their abuse in court.
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Maxwell refused to take the stand in her defense, telling
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the judge that the case against her had not been
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proved beyond a reasonable doubt. The truth, Sweeney writes, is
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she knew she would be ripped to shreds. That's a fact.
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She knew that if she got up there, she would
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be absolutely hammered and absolutely destroyed by the prosecution. Among
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the wealth of evidence presented to the court was the
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Palm Beach Etiquette Manual, including a list of toiletries that
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Epstein insisted his staff kept in stock. One item catches
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the eye. Burberry Baby Touch Soothing Massage Oil. Somehow, nothing
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quite encapsulates the full horror of what Epstein did and
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Maxwell's part in it more than the thought of that. Well,
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that is a review from The Telegraph on the new
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John Sweeney book. Now, I haven't read it myself, like
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I said, but I plan on reading it very soon.
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So there you have it, folks. If you're looking for
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some more information, you want to gobble down another book,
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there's one for you. As for me, that's going to
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do it for this episode. If you'd like to contact me,
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you can do that at bobbycapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I
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at protonmail.com. You can also find me on Twitter at
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found in the description box.