Alien Close Encounters with Warren Agius

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Join us as we dive into the history, hauntings, and
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high strangers of the world to try to better understand
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the paranormal. I will be your guide. I am paranormal
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researcher and investigator Eric Freeman Simms. Welcome to the Unseen
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Paranormal Podcast. Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. Thank
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you for tuning in. Really appreciate y'all. Ten having a
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blast of season five. Here episode one seventy six, we
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have a returning guest, one of my favorite UFO researchers,
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mister Warner Juice, is on the show for the third
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time now and if you haven't listened to other two
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episodes with him, go check that out, and go check
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out his first book, Evidence of Extraterrestrials, over forty cases
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prove aliens have visited Earth, and his new book, which
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is hot off the presses, is called Close Encounters, Exploring
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the Mysteries of Alien Abductions. And so we're going to
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dive into some of those cases with him, and I
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love how warren Writes's books. They are very matter of
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fact based cases and he lays out a pretty good
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case of people actually coming into contact with aliens and
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extraterrestrials and indimentional beings where you want to believe they are,
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and also some people who have been abducted by them.
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As usual, I have all of his links in the
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show notes, so you can go grab a copy of
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his books yourself and go check out the other two
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episodes to do with one. Like I said, the first
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one was on his first book. The second episode we
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did last year was on the UFO Disclosure, and today
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we're talking Close Encounters with third and fourth come so
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sit back, relax and enjoy the show. We'll talk to
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you next time. Hey, Warren, welcome back to the show.
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Thanks for joining us today.
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Thank you for having me. It's always nice being on
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the show. Yeah.
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Yeah, I always like having you on and love the books.
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You have a new book out well as we're recording this.
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It comes out tomorrow, but by the time this comes out,
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it'll be out. Yeah. And of course we had you
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on a while back for your first book, Evidence of Extraterrestrials,
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Over forty cases Everything Aliens have a Visit to Earth.
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I could talk today, and the new book, Close Encounter,
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is exploring the mysteries of alien abductions exactly yes, yeah,
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and I have not because I like to be factual,
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and that's why I love your books, because you're very
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scientific based and factual. And so I haven't really approached
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the other than when me and you've talked a couple
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of times. I haven't really approached the abduction thing because
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there's a lot of craziness out there.
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Of course, in that exactly exactly, Yes, I was.
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So excited that you're writing a writing a book about
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abductions and like close encounters. So what is different with
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this book as opposed to your first book?
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So firstly, before I first, before I started even writing books,
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I had this idea of what if I wrote a
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couple of books, and in these books, I explore the
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U full phenomenon from all perspectives, right, And of course
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you need to start from you are foll sitings. That's
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the basic premise of the phenomenon, and that's where the
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first book comes in. In the first book, I explore
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the most important U of FO sightings that we've had
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in history, paying attention to those citings that perhaps not
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many people know about. And yeah, that was the first book.
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At the time of writing the first book, I had
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enough material to write the second book. The original plan
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was for the first book to be divided into two
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your foll Sightings and alien abductions, but it turned out
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to be very very long, which I myself would not
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have read, right, Yeah, So I said said, yeah, let's
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let's create this into a different book. And that's where
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the material came it came from. I explored the most
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compelling close encounters of the third kind and alien abductions.
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The book per Se is divided into two parts. The
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first part is explores close encounters of the third kind,
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which is when there is a uf BO siting and
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the person is in close proximity to the aircraft, but
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there is no abduction happening. So that is the first
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part of the book. The second part of the book
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I explore alien abductions. And I myself was very very
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hesitant on which cases I explore. Right as we all know,
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we all know Georgia Domsky, we all know Billy Meyer,
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and these individuals have quite preposterous stories. And I separate
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myself entirely from these cases because it is these cases
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that bring skepticism and negative attention to the phenomenon, and
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I didn't want for once I wanted alien abductions to
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be taken seriously, and there are a lot of compelling
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alien abduction cases which are not very famous. Everyone knows
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about Betty and Barne, Hill, Whitely, Stree, Bert Travis, Walton,
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fantastic cases, right, and they are included in the book.
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But these are far from the most compelling alien abduction cases,
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and unfortunately, in the majority of UOFOE and alien books,
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these are the cases that are covered. So I wanted
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to create something that is a little bit different and
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it gives the reader a comprehensive study on alien abductions,
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and I covered cases which are perhaps less known, such
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as the Stefan Michella case, the Aerial school siting Robert Taylor.
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These are all cases that are less well known but
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are just as if not even more compelling and convincing
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than the most famous ones. But I wanted to create
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I want to go in a very clear direction that I,
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in no shape or form do I believe that all
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alien abduction cases and stories are real. And even in
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the cases I do explore in the book, I provide
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a lot of skepticism and and alternative theories. I do
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not at any point say this was most definitely an
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alien abduction case. There are a few cases where you
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know that the story does point toward towards the direction.
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But I do offer a lot of skepticism because it's
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important to be factual. It's important to be objective when
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talking about such an important phenomenon.
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Right, Yeah, And I love how you how you light
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out the evidence, the different evidence for and against and
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and basically you know each each one you have. Okay,
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what is the military or the police's explanation, or the
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presses explanation or anybody else who investigated, And then what
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is the evidence that supports what the person is claiming
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to have been abducted? Yeah? I really like how you
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break that down.
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Yeah, and many times there is a rational explanation. I mean,
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if we look at perhaps we'll go into certain cases later,
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but if we look at certain certain UFO sightings or
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for other cases such as, for example, Billy Meyer, there's
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always data which proves that the case was not credited.
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And I only included cases which I personally believe are
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very compelling. By no shape or form do I believe
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that every case I cover is one hundred percent in
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alien abduction. But I do believe that out of the
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cases I cover, I genuinely believe that there is a
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compelling argument for the alien abduction theory.
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Yeah, and there the Robert Taylor when you had mentioned,
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was when I had never heard of, and I think, yeah,
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he's a pretty compelling one as far as the evidence. Yeah,
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and going against So what what kind of is the
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story with Robert Taylor.
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Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad we're actually talking about it because,
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like I said, it's one of the cases that goes
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quite under the radar, but I personally find it. I
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find it to be one of the most convincing cases.
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So Robert Taylor's story, it goes back to nineteen seventy
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nine and this place char This the story takes place
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in Scotland. So Robert Taylor, he was an ex army man.
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He was he fought in the Battle of Normandy, he
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fought in the Battle of Dunkirk, and in his later
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years he became a forest free worker and so there
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was quite a different different style. On one hand, he
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went he was an army worker, he fought in wars
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and then he started working in forests. The encounter itself
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took place on the ninth of November at that time
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he was sixty years old and one of one of
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the tasks he had was that he goes in a
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forest three area and he makes sure that there are
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no sheep astrae. He makes sure that everything is in order.
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And so it was a Friday morning and he had
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his dog with him. The dog was an Irish red setter.
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Her name was Lara, and they were walking along the
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path and then they reach a clearing and then this
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clearing they see aside that he essentially would would he
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could never forget because this was the beginning of certainly
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a transformative experience. In the middle of the clearing, he
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saw a disc shaped u of foward this shape aircraft,
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and it was a typically UFO. It was disc shaped,
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it was silver, was metallic, and it had the typical
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dom structure that we see. Apart from that, most importantly
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around its circumference, it had a lot of these portholes
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and antennae looking spikes, so it was very conspicuous. It
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was very obvious, and at first it was a shock.
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He didn't know what he was looking at. But then
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the sighting became even earlier. At one point the disc
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completely the materialized. It became invisible, and Robert could see
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the trees that the disc was initially obstructing, so it
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became completely invisible, and after a few seconds it's the
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disc career appeared again. It th rematerialized, so that ruled
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out the majority of rational explanations. It could not have
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been a helicopter, obviously, it could not well any rational
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explanition that he could think of. It was completely disputed.
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But this was just the beginning. As the disc materialized,
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these spheres fell from from the disc and they started
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approaching Robert's position. The spheres were very similar to the
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aircraft's characteristics. It was the spheres were silver shape, they
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had antennae looking spikes around them, and as they reached
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Robert's position, the two spheres attached to his leg and
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they started dragging him towards the disc. And it was
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at that moment that Robert obviously felt a very sharp
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pain and he started smelling a very specific odor it's
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like when a vehicle's brake linings are burning. And he
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also started tasting a very foul, foul taste, and then
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he lost consciousness for a couple of minutes. Around twenty
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minutes paused when Robert regained consciousness, and he only regained
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consciousness because his dog, Lara was tugging at his tugging
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at his shirt. And when he woke up, he was
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completely unaware of where he was. He was completely disorientated.
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His truck was close by, but he was too lethargic
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to walk, so he had to crawl there. And when
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he opened his truck, the radio communications where we're down.
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So the only option he had was essentially to walk
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home because the truck was caught in a in a mud.
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It was caught in mud essentially, so he could not
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back it out, and he was too lethargic to do so.
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And his house was not too far away anyway, So
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as he walked home, his wife opened and she was
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in shock. She was completely in shock. She thought that
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he had been robbed. And the first word that the
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first sentence that Robert uttered, was that he had been
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attacked by a spaceship. In fact, the name of the
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chacter is attacked by a spaceship. It's a direct quotation
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from his report which he gave. Anyway, Roberts physical health
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then gradually sort of deteriorated. There was a forensic analysis
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as well. And what is so interesting about the forensic
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analysis is that when they went to the site at
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the Dutchment Law where where the encounter took place, they
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could see caterpillar tracks and caterpillar tracks. At first, I
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was like, I wasn't aware of what caterpillar tracks, but
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they are, like, they're very similar to what attractor attractors
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tracks look like.
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Yeah, yeah, like a tank tracks or something like that.
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Exactly exactly, And these caterpillar tracks were slowly in the
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middle of a clearing, so they weren't leading to or
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from anywhere. And the only explainasion there was was that
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dismiss machinery which was used or whatever it was, it
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had been dropped, it had made a vert vertical descent
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and a vertical ascent. It didn't be too or from anywhere,
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and there were a lot of markings around around the
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ground which which matched up a lot with Robert's police reports.
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There were there were several detectives. For example, detective Detective
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Walk was one of the officers on the scene and
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he took photographs and measurements and he could see that
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the lending marks were identical. They were each ten feet long,
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so they were completely symmetrical ten feet long a foot apart,
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so a foot wide and seven feet apart. They were
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completely completely symmetrical. Apart from that, these tracks were surrounded
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by round spherical depressions, which once again they they match
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up with Robert's story, and the forensic analysis, which which
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also focused on Robert's clothing, could see that there was
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a very specific tear, and without going into the specifics
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of where the there was and where that there wasn't,
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the forensic analysis concluded that the tails were not caused
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by any burning and that they were caused by Robert
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having been pulled upwards, which coincides once again with Robert's
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theory and anyway from their own. Robert obviously did not
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want to talk about it to anyone, and in fact,
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the only reason that we know about this case was
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that it was leaked, and it was leaked by a
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colleague of Robert who had went to the site with
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his boss. From there on, he did not want to
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talk about it at any point, but his story remained unchanged.
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His story was that he had seen this what he
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referred to as a spaceship, and what he saw was
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the truth. So then certain skeptics came forward and they
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started giving several theories. One of the theories that I
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considered the book and the book I consider three theories, right.
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The first theory is that he suffered a stroke. The
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second theories that he suffered a seizure, and the third
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theory is the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Like I said in the
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beginning of the episode, I like to give attention to
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each and every hypothesis. At no point do I try
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to prove the et ceteristrial hypothesis, but it's good to
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explore each and every possible theory. The different theory was
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that he suffered a stroke, a transient stroke, and the
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symptoms are similar the symptoms so Robert experienced a headache
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and dram out he lost consciousness, and these are indeed
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symptoms of a stroke. But this theory does not take
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into account the physical evidence. Where did the lending marks
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come from? The tears and on Robert's clothing, These are
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all unaccounted for, So once can this theory does not
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really hold through. Then there is a very preposterous theory
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is that he suffered a seizure. There's this well known skeptic,
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his name is Stuart Campbell, and he stated that as
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Robert was walking through the woods, he saw a bright
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venus in the sky, and because of the intensity of
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the light, he suffered the seizure. This this seri is
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obviously preposterous for many reasons. It was daylight outside, and
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even if you know where venus is in the sky,
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it would be very difficult to locate it. But alas,
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even if we consider this theory, this theory does not
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take into account once again, the lending marks, the physical
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evidence which leaves us with the extraterrestrial hypothesis, which has
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a number of factors which support it. For instance, there
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is the landing marks, and the lending marks are quite
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weird and of themselves, because if Robert had staged the
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entire thing, then there would be landing marks leading to
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and from somewhere. They wouldn't just appear in the middle
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of a clearing and then just disappear. Apart from that,
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there is the mark the markings on the clothing if
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he had been pulled upwards. Some sort of machinery had
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to be present for it for Robert to have been
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pulled upwards. And apart from that, the most compelling evidence
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is that everyone around him mew Robert and at no
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point was he a fan of the Dufo UFOs or
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any abductions, and it was very very out of character.
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So everyone was quite surprised when he kept insisting that
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he was attacked by a spaceship. You know. His wife
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was saying, no, you were mugged. His manager was also
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pushing for that idea. They were convinced that something bad
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had happened. But from nineteen seventy nine until his death,
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Robert's story it's remained unchanged, if you can remain completely unchanged.
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And he kept consisting that the aircraft was most certainly
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not from this planet because what kind of aircraft fits
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in in those criteria. And in the police report which
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I obtained, the detective in walk he ends it in
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a very interesting sentence. He said that, to quote him,
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I have no doubt that something landed there. What it was,
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I have no idea. Forty years on, it still hasn't
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been solved. So throughout all this time, it's no one
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knows what truly happened except Robert himself. It's a very
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very interesting case, and a lot of factors do point
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towards the extetersial HYPOTHESI and I do believe that if
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this phenomenon is real, then this case is one of
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the most compelling ones. It has a lot of evidence
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supporting it, and the characteristics line up with what we
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know with what we know of about alien abductions.
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Yeah, and his clothes were actually forensically examined by the
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police department, and they're the ones that said that it
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looked like, you know, the tears, all the tears in
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his clothes were from him being pulled up. That's the
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only way they could.
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Have been made exactly the analysis it was. They examined
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it extensively. They stated that the tears and the holes,
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they could not have been caused by burning and they
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could only have been caused by a strong mechanical pull.
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So either Robert was genuinely his testimony is genuine or
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as there must have been a machinery which he had
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planned there, Yeah, which put him upwards, which you know,
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it doesn't make much.
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Sense, Yeah, because I mean where are the rest of
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the tracks. I mean, he had to get the machinery in.
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There and out of there exactly exactly. And there's also
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the missing time period which we don't know what actually
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happened when Robert lost consciousness. He lost consciousness for around
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twenty minutes, and the missing time period is one of
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the stages of building in productions, So that does also
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a line up with the story.
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Yeah that I found that one just fascinating, especially with
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the spiked spheres that came and attached to his legs.
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Never never heard any other story like that with with
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the alien abductions or the close encounters.
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Yeah, there are some similar ones that have been coming
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out lately. I know David Polid's had one on his
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latest documentary about these people seeing a sort of drone
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producting cows across the valley.
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And you know what's interesting is that when I when
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I first wrote these chapters, it was some some years
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and months and months ago, but then in some some
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years ago I believe it was last year or the
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year before the d i A, they published the paper
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which explores the the actual paper, it's called Anomalous Acute
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and Subacute Field Effects of Human Biological Issues, which basically
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it means it explored how humans have been affected by UFOs.
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And in one of the in this paper, which I
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quote in the book, it explores how many military officers,
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when they came into contact with U foes. They experienced
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a lot of immediate and intern after facts after facts,
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so within seventy two hours they started experiencing medical ailments.
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And as I read that paper, it was quite a
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Eureka moment because I realized that the cases I write
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about they actually match up with what this d I
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a paper states.
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Yeah, like, I'm with you that that's a really good case.
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And once again I always go back to this guy
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didn't gain anything out of this. He didn't have anything again,
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he never asked for money, nothing like that. He didn't
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even want it leaked to the press. Like you said,
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it got leaked out to the press.
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Exactly exactly, and Eric port Center, what's what proves that
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point is that he did not want to talk about
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it at all. And this is one of the things
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I look out for right when we're writing about it
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in aductions. In the introduction of the of the second
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part of the book, I discussed what makes any Inlian
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abduction pace credible? There there are thous and hundreds of
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valin abduction cases, hundreds, right, So what makes a case credible?
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And I use I use three factors to prove whether
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I believe this case is credible. Or not. And the
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first one is the evidence. Let's look at the evidence,
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is their physical evidence, for example, lending marks. Did the
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person suffer any immediate or intermediates after effects? Then the
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person's intention. Did the person want to, you know, cash
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in on his story? Did you want to publicize his story?
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Because if he did, then I'm not saying that if
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someone writes and you know, a memoir like Kisber did,
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I'm not saying that that immediately means that the case
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is a hoax. I'm not saying that. But if a
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person uses the case, you know, to gain fame or
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to gain wealth, then that could be an indicator. And
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the third factor, I use the individual's health. Many times,
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in the most credible cases, the individual's health declines, and
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it declines very rapidly, very very rapidly. And Robert Taylor's
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case it fits in the three factors. It has a
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lot of evidence, it has a lot of physical evidence.
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The person's intentions are unequivocal. Everyone says that he was
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not someone who would make such a story up. And
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apart from that, his health did deteriorate immediately after his encounter.
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Yeah, fascinating case. Another one that has always kind of
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caught my attention that I don't think is as widespread
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as like Travis Walton and Whitley Streamer. Is the Soakora,
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New Mexico incident with Lanni's of Mora And Yeah, I
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find it very credible because he was a he's a
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police officer.
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He's a police officer. Yeah, just doing his job exactly,
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and police officers are are trained to be the most
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credible eye witnesses. And Lonnie Zamora's case I always link
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it with a case which took place a year before
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in France. Let me start by discussing Zamora's case a
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little bit, because it is very interesting and I do
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believe that it's one of the most credible cases out there.
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Zamora's case, it took place in nineteen sixty four and
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he was a sergeant police officer. He was out in SoCoRo,
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out on duty, and he was actually in a police
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chase at that point. He was in a car chase.
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But then in the background he saw this massive flame.
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It was large, you know, a large orange flame, and
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it was just right next to a dynamite check. So
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he thought, okay, one plus one means that it probably exploded.
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So he started driving towards that. He ditched the car
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car chase, and he he started driving towards the dynamite check.
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At the top of the hill. Looking down on the
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dynamite check, he saw this, the silver object with two
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what looked like people standing next to it. So he said, okay,
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most probably there was an incident, so I'll just go
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drive and assist them. And in fact, he radioed in
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he told them that I am assisting in a vehicle,
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you know, incident. So he started driving closer, and he
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started driving closer, and as he reached closer to the object,
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he saw that this was not a car, and the
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two people he had seen he had saw were not
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people at all. In front of him was actually this
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oval shaped object which looked just like the tic tac
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that we are now speaking of from the USS minutes encounter.
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It looked it looks just like a ticktack. Yeah, But
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on the surface there's this weird insignia which is quite
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difficult to describe.
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It was an inverted letter V with three lines running
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across it. It doesn't make much sense as as I
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described it, but I encourage the listeners to just Google
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Lonizamora's uffhone and you'll see the insignea I'm talking about.
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And it was that had these legs protruded and it
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was landed perfectly on the ground, and just start next
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to it. He saw these two figures which he described
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as small adults. So small adults were large kids, that's
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what he said. So he started. He saw them from afar,
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and they were wearing these white overalls, completely white, and
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at this point they were not aware of his position.
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But after a few seconds, all of them noticed his
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presence and they became immediately startled. And as they became startled,
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they dashed in the aircraft. They completely disappeared. At that point,
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Zamora exited the car and started a prom the position,
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but then he heard this loud roar, which he taught, shit,
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you know, the dynamite shack exploded, but it wasn't the place.
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What happened was that this tic tackle the shaped aircraft
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started ascending. It started completely ascending, and the loudness it
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started becoming more intense, and then it just he was
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expecting an explosion to happen at any point, it was
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that intense, but the explosion never happened. He dropped to
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the ground, covering his head. But then the aircraft just
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sped away completely and disappeared. As it happened, he immediately
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got out his sketch pad and he drew this this
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aircraft that he saw, and he found the sergeant, Sergeant Chavez,
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and he told him what happened. Within a couple of minutes,
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they came to the scene and they saw that first
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of all, there were many depressions on the ground. There
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were four identical depressions on the ground, and in front
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of these depressions were burned clumps of grass, which obviously
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matches up with with the fire that he had seen.
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And they at no point did they question his credibility.
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I mean, everyone in the police station in Sohorrow, everyone
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knew Nonizamor and they knew that he would not invent
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such a hoax. Apart from that, let's keep in mind
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that this was nineteen sixty four, so the topic of
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UFOs was still quite a taboo and if you brought
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it up, you most likely would be ridiculed. So he
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has no intention of of you know, creating the story.
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But alas then, since that there were no since the
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case is so credible, the FBI. There was an FBI agent,
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agent Barns. He was in the area and he investigated
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the case as well, and he wrote this this report
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where he states that he has no reason to believe
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that this was a hoax, and that they noted the
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depressions on the ground and there were no reasons to
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believe that this was a conventional aircraft, but they wanted clarification.
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So what they did was the first question was could
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it have been a helicopter, But that was immediately ruled
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out because they just called the attacker controllers and they
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called also the air Force base, the surrounding air Force bases,
483
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and they confirmed that there were no aircraft military aircraft
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in the area around that time. The second question was
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could it have been a lunar surveyor. So the Lunar
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Surveyor is this project that it's this program that ran
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in nineteen sixty six until nineteen sixty eight to explore
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and to test soft landings on Earth, you know, before
489
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the Moon landings. So this was a possibil clearly, but
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the surveyor, the way it looks, it does not match
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up with WHATNA saw. Apart from that, they confirmed with
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Air Force bases that Air Force bases such as Right Patterson,
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so it was one of the main ones. They confirmed
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that it was not a lunar surveyor. This left them
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with no explansions whatsoever. In fact, it's one of the
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few cases, it is one of the few cases in
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Project Blue Book which remained unidentified. However, and this is
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a very important invention. It remained unidentified because they never
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considered the extraterrestrial hypothesis. They never so if they had considered,
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I mean, I don't, I never would expect them to
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00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:03.359
state yet this was most certainly another worldly encounter, because
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you cannot even prove that scientifically. But the case remained unidentified.
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But at no point that Project Glubok considered the fact
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that it could be a genuine fall encounter. What not
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many people know is that what makes this case so
506
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credible is a very very similar case. So lone Zamora's
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00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:28.359
case took place in nineteen sixty four. The following year,
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in July, the same exact case happened in France, in
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Valentola in France. And then this is one of the
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most this is one of the cases which not many
511
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.960
people know about. But the details and descriptions of the
512
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:51.920
aircraft is completely identical. I've described the case a little bit.
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The case to place, like I said, in nineteen sixty five,
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in this beautiful town. The town is called the Valenzola
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and it is known for this lavender fields. As I
516
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.039
looked up pictures of it, it looked absolutely stunning. And
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in July of nineteen sixty five, Morris Masse he was
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a elevender grower. He had the field called Lolivol. He
519
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.960
had the field full of lavender elevender crops and on
520
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this day, at around five in the morning, he was
521
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smoking a cigarette before starting working when he heard this
522
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buzzing noise. As he looked around, he saw this oval
523
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.519
shaped aircraft and at first he was not too shocked
524
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because it was not uncommon for helicopters to land in fields.
525
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:44.079
So he started approaching the aircraft. But as he got closer,
526
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he realized that this was certainly not a helicopter. Just
527
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.639
like Lonie Zamora. He saw an oval shaped aircraft with
528
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:57.280
protruding legs and it was landed perfectly. As he got closer,
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he saw two humanoid figures. Let me say that he
530
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described him as two boys of around eight years old,
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and they were bent over picking up levender crops. At
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this point, he did not consider the fact that these
533
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:18.199
were probably extraterrestrial. What was going through to Mass's mind
534
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.239
was that he was extremely angry because throughout that month
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00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:25.719
he had been finding his crops damaged the sprouts. He
536
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:27.719
was finding a lot of his levender crops with their
537
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.719
sprouts cut off, and obviously this was his livelihood. So
538
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:33.599
he thought he had caught the culprits, so he went
539
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:36.840
to confront them. But as he got closer to these
540
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:41.760
two humanoid beings. As he approached them, he was around
541
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.840
six meters away from them, one of them straightened up
542
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.000
and pointed this instrument towards him. And as the instrument
543
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:53.159
faced him, maurs Massel was completely paralyzed. He could not
544
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move muscle, He was completely stuck to the ground. And
545
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:02.119
during these seconds he could take an all of their obscure,
546
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:08.679
eerie features. They were not children at all. Certainly they
547
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:10.960
were the height of around an eight year old child.
548
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:17.280
They had massive bald heads. He described them to quote
549
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:23.440
pumpkin like heads. Their eyes were large, slanted, almond shaped,
550
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:27.880
and they were grunting. They were creating these grunts from
551
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.639
around their stomachs, and that's how they were communicating with
552
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:33.559
each other, he taught. Anyway, after a few seconds, the
553
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:38.679
beings dashed into the aircraft, and just as Zamora had stated,
554
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:43.039
the aircraft ascended from the ground and sped away, sped away,
555
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:50.280
very far away, completely disappeared the story. Following this, he
556
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.079
went to his friend's cafe in town and he taught
557
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:57.360
him what happened, but he wasn't and his friend was
558
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:01.159
encouraging him to report it to the police, but Maris
559
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:03.679
Masse he did not want to at all. He knew
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that he would be completely ridiculed and no one would
561
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believe him, so he kept it to himself. But then
562
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:14.480
the following day, words started spreading around town, and it
563
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.840
was the police officers themselves who approached them, actually, and
564
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.280
they told him, listen, we know we've been hearing what happened.
565
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:23.960
Can you take us to the field. So he did,
566
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and they found just what they found in New Mexico.
567
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They found these cylindrical depressions that burned grass. So so
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00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.880
there was a lot of evidence. What is interesting, the
569
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two things interested me the most about this case. So
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up until his death, Maris mas said did not tell
571
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:50.239
anyone the full story. People kept him to interviewing him
572
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:55.199
year after year, and he said in one of the interviews,
573
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.639
he said that he will not tell anyone what happened,
574
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and he has not told any one, including his wife,
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what happened, and he insisted that he will take what
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00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.760
happened to the grave. Wow, so it made me question
577
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:12.679
what could have happened that was so significant, right, But
578
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:19.119
the most fascinating part is that the levender's the lavender
579
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:24.320
stopped growing in the circumference where this encounter took place
580
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:28.920
for many years after. The leavender did not grow there,
581
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.679
and the surrounding areas it did, but in the area
582
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:38.400
where they found the cylindrical depressions, it stopped growing for many,
583
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:39.840
many years later.
584
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:43.119
Yeah, And that was one of the things I found fascinating,
585
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.239
was that only weeds continued to grow on that spots,
586
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not lavender. And also he was only about a football
587
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.920
field away exactly, so there's no misidentification. I mean a
588
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.079
football field way you can see detail and stuff like
589
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he described.
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Absolutely absolutely, and even so, the only thing that he
591
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:05.079
could have misidentified it from it would be a helicopter,
592
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.159
but he did not have any rotors at all. There
593
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:11.840
was no visible propulsion system, and he had seen helicopters
594
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.719
before because helicopters did land on his field multiple times.
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But this wasn't the case at all.
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Yeah.
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In the.
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Zakorro case. What I found interesting also was that the
599
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military was highly involved with that case but never never
600
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:31.679
try to discredit it.
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Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, because they knew who Zamora was. I mean,
602
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.440
when you have an individual, an normal individual, you know,
603
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:42.400
you can easily disprove him. It can easily bring up
604
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factors to maybe redeicule him or discredit him. But when
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you have a sergeant police officer and he's been in
606
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the force for decades and everyone knows how credible he is,
607
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.800
you cannot do that. You cannot do that as as easily.
608
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And it is one of the few cases that remained
609
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.119
unresolved from Project Bluebook.
610
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:05.239
Yeah, and the government could have easily said, oh, yeah,
611
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:07.639
it was a it was a rover we were testing,
612
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.079
you know, for a trip to Moon or whatever, and
613
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.360
been done with it. But the fact that they did
614
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:14.639
not that too, and said no, that didn't happen, you know,
615
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:16.800
it was Yeah. I found that interesting because there's so
616
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:19.000
many cases where they come out with their own explanation,
617
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:21.840
you know, like Roswell with the weather balloon and all
618
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:22.199
that shit.
619
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You know.
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Yeah, the fact that they didn't come up with an
621
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explanation and it remains unsolved, I think speaks a lot
622
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:29.800
of credibility to what he saw.
623
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.679
It speaks all and it's happened in the perfect time,
624
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:34.320
you know. At that time, like I said, there was
625
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.559
this lunar surveyor program where they were testing for for
626
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.239
the moon landing, so they could easily have said it
627
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:43.800
was it over. It's sort of I mean not really,
628
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.960
but they do mech up a little bit. The characteristics.
629
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You know, there's there's a vertical ascent and descent, so
630
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.039
they could have easily said, you know, this is what
631
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.800
you saw. At no point they tried to discredit him
632
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.039
or or argue against what he saw.
633
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:01.239
Yeah. Yeah, and those those two cases, that's that's interesting too.
634
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.639
You're apart and very very similar from both witnesses.
635
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.480
Yeah, and you know what's fascinating is that the one
636
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.920
encounter that happened in New Mexico, what's happened in a
637
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:17.000
different continent. But the descriptions match up perfectly. They will
638
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:22.840
drop perfectly, and you know, bothronism More and both Morisse
639
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.960
at no point that they try to capitalize on the encounter.
640
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:30.039
So they both you know, they could easily capitalized, you know,
641
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:33.840
but they both barely spoke about it. And of course
642
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:39.400
now the Loinzomra's cases, it's covered quite extensively, but Marsell isn't.
643
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.880
And you won't find a lot of information about Marsell.
644
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:48.079
In fact, together the information they're all in French. They're
645
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:51.880
all in French. You will barely find any official documents
646
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.320
in English because it's barely covered. So it fascinated me
647
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:02.400
that the two cases occurred just a year, you know,
648
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.599
after each other, and they match up perfectly, that they
649
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:07.800
are completely identical.
650
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:11.480
Yeah, and those are just to differentiate because we're going
651
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:13.599
to get into the close encounters of the four can
652
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:15.719
Those are close counters of the third count on Jay
653
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:16.920
Allen Hannick's.
654
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:19.719
Scale exactly exactly, So just to give a little bit
655
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:24.800
of context to the listeners. Heinek, who obviously investigated the
656
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:28.320
UFO phenomena for many years, he created this scale. In
657
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.719
the first book, I covered the first levels, in the
658
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:35.440
first five levels, so basically just UFHO sightings, right, But
659
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:39.440
there isn't this close proximity, so the observer and the
660
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:45.159
UFO are far away. The level six is close encounter
661
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:48.760
of the third kind, and just as the cases we've
662
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:52.320
discussed so far, they fall under that. Under that level,
663
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:56.480
they the person is in close proximity, but there isn't
664
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.840
a capture that there isn't in a deduction that comes
665
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.519
in eleven seven. Eleven seven is close encounters with the
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00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.880
fourth kind, where the individual is actually abducted by by
667
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:08.760
an alien entity.
668
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:11.960
So let's get into some of the actual abductions. One
669
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.840
of the ones that I wasn't really familiar with. I've
670
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.840
heard of it, but wasn't really familiar with the all
671
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.159
of the details and as in depth as it was
672
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:24.199
was the Kentucky abductions. And I just had I just
673
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:27.159
had Geraldine Sutton Stiff on my show talking about the
674
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.960
Hopkinsville Goblin incident, the Kelly greenman Ah, and that's where
675
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.920
I bought. The haunted house that I bought is in Hopkinsville,
676
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:36.440
not far from where that happened. And I've actually become
677
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:38.480
friends with Geraldine. I don't know if you're familiar with that,
678
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:38.840
with that.
679
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.639
Story, the little yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so interesting.
680
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:45.159
Yeah, the Little men that attacked the family. Yea and Geraldine.
681
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.000
It was her father. She wasn't born yet because it
682
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.119
was in ninety fifty five, but it's her father and
683
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.079
grandmother and some of her other aunts and uncles that
684
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:56.320
experienced that attack from those little the little they're actually silver,
685
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.920
little silver men. But you don't see a whole lot
686
00:43:59.960 --> 00:44:04.000
of not on that side of the state of the
687
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.639
Kentucky area, right, Yeah, on the western side. A lot
688
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.400
of stuff comes out of the eastern side of like, hell,
689
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.960
you're in that type stuff and goblins, Yeah, exactly. But yeah,
690
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:17.239
the Kentucky abductions in nineteen seventy six I found very interesting.
691
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.039
Yeah, it's one of the cases that absolutely terrified me. Yeah, genuinely,
692
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.400
as I was thinking, like Jesus Christ, this is genuinely terrifying.
693
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:28.840
And there were many times that I just had to
694
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.920
take a step back a little bit because after so
695
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.559
many hours of reading and writing about it, it just
696
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.519
becomes a little bit too much. And it is one
697
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.400
of the most terrifying cases, not because of the description,
698
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:46.280
but because of what these women went through. And yes
699
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.840
that is plural women. There were four women, sorry, two women.
700
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:59.960
So what happened was it was the women are more
701
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:06.480
Louise and Elaine, and it was January nineteen seventy six
702
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.079
and they were celebrating Mona's birthday, so they just went
703
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out to dinner together. Everything was fine. At the end
704
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.239
of their meal, it was around eleven o'clock at night,
705
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:21.239
they started driving back home. Louise was driving, Mona was
706
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:23.639
in the passenger's seat, and Lane was in the back seat.
707
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:28.840
They started driving, everything was fine, but then from the
708
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:33.760
passenger seat they saw Mona saw this red light very
709
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.000
you know, odd. It was bright, but she did not
710
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.480
think too much into it. It was simply a bright light.
711
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It was moving erratically. She pointed out to the other
712
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.840
women and they said it's probably an aircraft landing or
713
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:50.880
as because they are bright met ride so they didn't
714
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:54.519
think too much into it. But then the aircraft sorry, sorry, delight,
715
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It kept moving very erratically. It kept making sharp turns,
716
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:05.920
so they were even more curious. A few minutes down
717
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.679
the line, as they continued driving, this red light started
718
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moving from side to side, and it got closer and
719
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:18.400
closer and closer until it was large enough for them
720
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:22.280
to have described it bigger than two houses conjoined together.
721
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.480
So it was massive. Apart from that, the light wasn't
722
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:30.239
The light was moving in relation to the vehicle. So
723
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at one point, if the vehicle moves to the right,
724
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:36.559
then the light makes the same exact turn. It was
725
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:41.920
paralleling their movements. At one point the light was just
726
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:47.000
behind them, It was just behind the vehicle, and it
727
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:51.360
was moving completely erratically. And it was at that moment
728
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.480
that they saw that this wasn't just the light. It
729
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.599
was a disc shaped aircraft. It was massive, and it
730
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:02.400
had this ring of red lights around the circumference, and
731
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.079
beneath it was this warm yellow light just on its
732
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.400
on their belly. And at this point it was just
733
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:13.519
behind their vehicle, so they could see it from the mirror.
734
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:20.199
And at one point the disc just completely flips on
735
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:25.119
its belly, completely, does a complete one hundred and eighty degrees.
736
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I think that, yeah, one hundred eight degrees. So it
737
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:32.880
was throwing its belly and obviously the women were shocked.
738
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:38.159
They were panicking. Did Louise you know, she's she started
739
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:42.199
losing control over the car, so she hit the brake
740
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.320
as hard as she possibly could, but the car would
741
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:48.840
not stop. They tried to lift the handbrake and the
742
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.360
car would just would not stop. It was moving at
743
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.360
eighty five miles an hour, and and the car was
744
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:59.000
completely out of control. So despite pushing and stepping on
745
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:02.400
on the they break the car just would not stop.
746
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:06.840
And that was the last thing they recall. Actually before that,
747
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:10.480
they saw this fog like light entered the vehicle. So
748
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.360
the cars started filling up with this fog, this burning fog.
749
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:19.800
They started feeling burn, a burning sensation, and then they
750
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:24.800
lost consciousness. They had no idea what what happened, so
751
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:29.039
sometimes had paused. Then around in hindsight, they realized that
752
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.440
an hour and and a half had passed. Around an
753
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:33.719
hour and senty minutes had passed, and they saw that
754
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.840
they were on the outskirts of Hustinville. It was eight
755
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.639
miles away. They had the recollection of how they had
756
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:46.039
gotten there, but an hour had passed. They were all
757
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:49.159
very perplexed and confused as to what had happened, and
758
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:53.480
they were also experiencing a lot of this burning sensation.
759
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:56.880
Their skin was burning, so they drove. They decided to
760
00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.840
spend the night together, so they drove back to Louisiest
761
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.559
tailor in Liberty. It was one o'clock in the morning
762
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:08.199
and they were so shocked that they asked the assistance
763
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:11.920
of their neighbor Lowell. They told him the story, and
764
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:16.159
he could evidently see burn marks all around their bodies
765
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:21.400
and their eyes were irritated, irritated. Interestingly enough, each of
766
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.760
them found the mark on the back of their necks.
767
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.880
It was a few inches each of them. It was
768
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:31.920
in the identical, identical spot on their necks. Apart from that,
769
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:36.800
while Louise was in the bodroom washing up and trying
770
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.239
to wash her face to ease the burning sensation, she
771
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:42.800
realized that the minute hand on her watch was moving
772
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:45.559
as fast as the second hand. And this is a
773
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:51.800
common occurrence across close encounters. There's a lot of mechanical
774
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:56.679
medical anomalies that take place. So it was obvious that
775
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.920
something had happened. It was always that something unconventional had happened.
776
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.840
So they called the police to make a report. They
777
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:05.639
called the Navy station, but they told them that they
778
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.639
could not do anything about it, so they just gave up.
779
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.760
They dropped it. They hoped that they would get over it.
780
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:14.480
But what they did not know is that their phone
781
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.360
call to the Navy would soon lead to the public.
782
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.840
And this is how we know of their story. What
783
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:24.840
is upsetting is that their life took a very dark
784
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.880
turn following this. The burner marks and irritation did not
785
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:32.599
go away, and they started receiving endless phone calls from
786
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.639
news reporters inquiring about what happened. And you know, this
787
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.559
was one of the most credible cases that the press
788
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:43.280
could pick up on. I mean, three women stating that
789
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:47.840
they experienced the same exact full encounter and each of
790
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:52.559
the three women were burned by it. And just a
791
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:57.639
little segue the paper I talked about that Thedia published,
792
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:03.199
it stated that many maybe and army personnel, many of
793
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:09.000
them experienced the burner marks following the closing encounter to UFOs. So,
794
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.920
so anyway back to the story, and so they were
795
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.519
they had these burnermarks, the irritation, and it would just
796
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:22.000
would not subside. Actually they continued to deteriorate. They could
797
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.960
not sleep, they had this rapid weight loss. They were
798
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:29.320
completely overhelmed, and they simply did not know what happened.
799
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:33.800
Adding to the mechanical anomaly that I mentioned, the car
800
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:38.079
that they use on the night, Louise's car it started
801
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:43.000
explaining it started experiencing electrical failures that just were unexplainable.
802
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.800
So the light would suddenly stop working and she had
803
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:49.760
been pulled over multiple times. The minute hand on their watches,
804
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:53.320
what would just move as quickly as as the second
805
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:58.119
second arm. Apart from that, even the bedroom clock was
806
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.639
experiencing the same effect. What is bizarre, and perhaps this
807
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:06.199
is a stretch. But following that day, Louise owned the
808
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:12.320
pet parakeet and usually he was very warm, he sought
809
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.679
her presence a lot. But following that, each time Louise
810
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.760
entered the room, he would completely become hysterically. He would
811
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:24.079
start shouting and he would only calm down when Louise
812
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:28.000
left the room. After this, he died just a month after.
813
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.119
I'm not saying that this was a direct cause and effect,
814
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:37.840
but it is certainly ominous. Right So, the investigation what
815
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.840
took place? The women, they were desperate for answers. They
816
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.280
needed to know what happened. At no point did they
817
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:46.159
consider that they had been abducted. However, I need to
818
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:49.760
emphasize this point that at no point did they consider
819
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.840
that this was a U Offoe encounter. They did not.
820
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:57.320
Jerry Black from move On spoke to them and he
821
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.320
told them, listen, we can get your professionals, off, we
822
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:05.280
can get you speaking with mental health professionals because this
823
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:09.159
sounds like a genuine case. And then that's what happened
824
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:14.639
on the day. They expressed their concern for everyone, especially
825
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.119
Louise and Mona. Their health was deteriorating drastically and the
826
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:24.480
fact they experienced a breakdown shortly after this. And what
827
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.920
is interesting is that move On realized that this case
828
00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:31.320
was very distressing for them and for this reason they
829
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:36.199
did not want to publicize their encounter without them having
830
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:41.320
felt better. So they told them, Missine, we'll continue the investigation,
831
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:46.159
but will simply not publicize or write about the encounter.
832
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:49.920
So it was the perfect scenario for them at the time.
833
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.960
You know, Jerry blackfirm move On spoke with Alan Heinek
834
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:56.280
and and he said that he told them miss and
835
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:58.599
the women are too distressed. They cannot go over what
836
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:05.519
happened that night. And they suggested the big undergo hypnotic regression.
837
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:10.320
And for the listeners out there, many abductees undergo hypnotic
838
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:15.800
regression to reveal what happened during the missing time period.
839
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.800
Just a little side mark. Missing time refers to the
840
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.559
point many people do not recall what happened. They do
841
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:27.360
not recall what happened when they get aducted. In this instance,
842
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.280
an hour and twenty minutes had passed by and they
843
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:31.079
did not know what happened. That is known as a
844
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:36.159
missing time, and hypnotic regression is used. They put the
845
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:40.280
client under eponotic sands. That way the client is not
846
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:44.800
too overwhelmed, and that's way they can access these repressed
847
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:49.960
memories that is being held from the conscious mind. So yeah,
848
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:52.719
it is used quite commonly in abduction cases because it
849
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:57.440
is very, very traumatic for the abductee. The first person
850
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:01.400
to undergo hypnotic regression was Mona. She met a psychiatrist,
851
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:06.400
doctor Sprinkle, in nineteen seventy seven, and as he put
852
00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:11.079
her under hypnotic trance, she was simply too hysterical. All
853
00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:13.360
she recalled was that they were driving and that they
854
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:17.920
saw this disk shaped aircraft behind them, and the interior
855
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:19.960
of the car lit up with the bright light and
856
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:24.519
they saw this foglike effect. As they saw the fog
857
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:28.480
enter the car, they started feeling the scorching, scorching heat,
858
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:31.960
scorching pain, and she became hysterical at that point, to
859
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:35.599
the point where he decided not to continue on with
860
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:41.079
the hypnotic regression. So at that point time passes by
861
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.880
and the investigation is sort of still going on, but
862
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.519
no one really has answers. Both move On and Oproar,
863
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.280
which are two organizations which explore the UFO phenomenon, they
864
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:57.280
were quite stretched financially, so they could most really assist
865
00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:01.920
them any longer. But then luckily the two organizations managed
866
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:05.079
to reach an agreement with the National Inquirer, which is
867
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:10.079
a newspaper, and they would cover all the all the
868
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:14.079
expenses for exclusive coverage. At that point, the women were
869
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.239
desperate for answers, so they said, yeah, I We'll do
870
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:20.199
anything that would give us answers. And the first thing
871
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.920
they did was they went they underwent a polygraph test.
872
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.199
A polygraph test is what we referred to as a
873
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:30.239
lie detector test. Although it does not prove whether someone
874
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.079
is lying or not, it is an indicator or whether
875
00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:35.960
someone is being too flawed. I mean, it's its credibility
876
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:39.239
can be debated, right, but back in the day it
877
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:42.719
was used even by by it was even using courts.
878
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:46.519
Right nowadays we realize that it cannot prove or disprove
879
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:49.239
whether someone is lying or not, But back then it
880
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:53.159
was to go to to see whether someone is lying
881
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.360
or not the person administering the test. He tried to
882
00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:00.719
find loopholes, he tried to to, you know, find them
883
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.360
out in a lie, but they remained consistent. They were
884
00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:07.119
The three of them described the same exact thing, but
885
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:09.719
at this point they were not aware that they had
886
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:12.159
been abducted. All they knew was that they saw the
887
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:17.079
disk shaped aircraft. They saw this foglike effect flop the car,
888
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:20.000
and then they lost consciousness. That's all they could recall.
889
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:23.320
So then they went hipolotical regression again. Six months had passed,
890
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:30.119
so the immediate traumatic response had subsided a little bit.
891
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:36.719
The first woman to undergo hypnotic regression was Louise, and
892
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:42.280
this is where the story gets very ominiscent eerie. I'll
893
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:45.199
skip over the part where they saw the disc shaped
894
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:49.480
aircraft and as the car came to a halt, as
895
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:53.320
it stopped, as she opened her eyes, she found herself
896
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:56.239
lying down on the table and what seemed like a
897
00:57:56.360 --> 00:58:00.599
medical operating room. And this is once again a common karens.
898
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:05.400
Amongst the chapters that I write about, when aductees opened
899
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:10.719
their eyes, they commonly find themselves in this operating room,
900
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:14.159
and it's very medical. In Louise's case, the room was
901
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:19.599
very very bright, and around her she saw several humanoid
902
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:25.760
figures looking down at her, similar to what I described
903
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:30.400
with Maurice Masse. They were very short, a childlike in
904
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:36.199
their stature, but they had bulgy, dark eyes, and they
905
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:38.840
also had this tight fitted suit with a hood over
906
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:43.800
their heads, which added to the eerie presence. What happened
907
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.880
next is that as she was stuck on the table,
908
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:49.920
she was completely paralyzed. She could not move. One of
909
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.519
the beings approached her and started pouring the scorching liquid
910
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:56.800
all over her body. It was what she said, it
911
00:58:56.920 --> 00:59:00.840
was genuinely organizing, and she genuinely thought that she was
912
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:05.239
going to die. And that's all she could recall, and
913
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.679
that is the last memory that she could recall after
914
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:11.639
the hypnotic regression. As the days went by after the
915
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:16.360
hypnotic regression, her health declined rapidly and she was stating
916
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:20.000
multiple times that she was not going to live another year.
917
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:27.519
Mona's encounter it was very very similar. As she opened
918
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.119
her eyes, she was in this brightly lit room, but
919
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.960
as she tried to stand up, she saw something holding
920
00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:36.079
her down and she saw five creatures and with the
921
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:41.000
same description was quite identical. They were wearing surgical surgical
922
00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:43.440
masks and surgical garments, and they were holding her down.
923
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.039
She was completely immobilized. The same thing happened. One of
924
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:51.840
the beings approached her and he poured this liquid, burning liquid,
925
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:55.760
all over her face. She genuinely thought that once again
926
00:59:56.000 --> 01:00:00.320
she was going to die, and and differently to Louise,
927
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:02.880
she did. The next thing she recalled is that she
928
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:07.760
saw herself floating through this tunnel, dark tunnel, and there
929
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:09.639
was a room, and she in one of the room.
930
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:12.400
In this room, she saw a woman lying down, but
931
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.639
she could not decipher whether it was Elaine or Louise.
932
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:18.639
But that's all she could recall under hypnosis as well.
933
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:23.760
The last women, the remaining woman, Elaine, when she was
934
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:29.079
under hyplotic regression, she saw she was once again in
935
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.559
the small room. It was very she described it as
936
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:34.760
a chamber. It was very dark, differently to what the
937
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:38.480
other two women saw, and there were these two creatures,
938
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:41.159
several of them actually, They were moving back and forth,
939
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:44.880
back and forth, and they were observing her very very closely.
940
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:49.039
The first thing they did was they poured this burning
941
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:53.480
liquids over her. But then she was also exposed to
942
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:58.480
this second experiment. Basically, they placed this material around her neck,
943
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.599
and each time she tried to speak, or each time
944
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:05.079
she she had a thought, it would tighten. It was
945
01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:06.960
very verbericate. It was tightened each time she had a
946
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:10.159
thought and each time she tried to speak, and was
947
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:14.360
essentially suffocating her in the hypnotic regression. So back in
948
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:18.039
the clinic, as she was describing this, she grabbed her
949
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.880
her neck and she was shouting in desperation and she
950
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:26.239
was experiencing the paindro just again. Elaine then stated that
951
01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:29.639
once the experiment came to a conclusion, one of the
952
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:34.480
beings approached her and he placed this very small one
953
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:39.039
inch device it looked like a bullet over her, over
954
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:44.440
her left check and and that's all that she could
955
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recall from the experience. As well. As I mentioned earlier,
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01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:55.199
this case, it was very harrowing. Right, There are very
957
01:01:55.800 --> 01:02:02.519
very little cases in Chara as gruesome and as barbaric
958
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:05.840
to an extent as this one. And it has a
959
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:09.920
lot of a lot of convincing factors. Let's start from there.
960
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.840
The two factors that I even explore in the book.
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It's an either or either they're telling the truth or als.
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01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.400
This is all a hoax, this is all a lie.
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01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.079
I start off by exploring the extceterrestrial hypothesis because it
964
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:31.519
is the one theory that sort of explains everything. So,
965
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first of all, there's these three women, three of them
966
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:40.519
experience the same story. There is more than eyewitness. Each
967
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:42.760
of their three stories are identical, and that makes the
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01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:46.280
case immediately more credible because there is more than one eyewitness.
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01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:53.000
There's the physical evidence of the burning marks, which was
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01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:58.559
witnessed by many individuals. There was their neighbor, and their
971
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.880
health was continuous sleep deteriorating. It just did not get better.
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They each found had the mark behind their neck. And
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the psychological symptoms are actually just as if not even
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more severe than the physiological ones. There were a lot
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of cramatic symptoms that they simply just could not get
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01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:23.440
over at all. In fact, one of the women, she
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01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:26.840
stated that until their death, they could not their life,
978
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:29.360
could not get back to Norman. It just could not.
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01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.840
They started avoiding the public as much as possible, to
980
01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:35.679
the point that they started secluding themselves in their own home.
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They even, you know, they could have made money from this.
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They could have easily made money, but they refused to
983
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:46.880
talk to anyone about this except for move On Opro
984
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:51.760
and the National Inquirer, as they had agreed once the
985
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.280
investigation came to an end, they did not talk about
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01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:57.800
it to anyone at all. Interestingly enough, on the night
987
01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:01.440
of the incident that took place, there were many upon
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reports by other individuals. For instance, a couple so this
989
01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:12.400
large light passing over this Tanford area. Interestingly enough, also
990
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.039
where the car came to a halt, it was just
991
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.719
next to a farm, and one of the residing. One
992
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:22.360
of the residents there they had actually seen this large
993
01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:27.920
light come to a stationary position, just hovering silently, which
994
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:32.079
sort of corroborates their encounter. Right. The only other explanation
995
01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:34.039
that I could think of as as I wrote this
996
01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:37.480
chapter was that this was a hoax. But I could
997
01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:40.280
find very little reasons as to why they would do so.
998
01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:46.000
I personally, if I was experiencing that much anguish, I
999
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:48.599
would if I was making it up, I would want
1000
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:52.440
to capitalize on it. But right, it's sort of very
1001
01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:55.159
illogical for them to make the story up and then
1002
01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:57.119
not gain anything from it, you know.
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01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:00.960
Yeah, And also with three different people haven't the same
1004
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:03.760
or similar accounts. I mean that that would be hard
1005
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:04.840
to do if you're lying.
1006
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:07.679
Exactly, you know, you would get caught at one point.
1007
01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:09.320
Yeah, because you've come up with a story. It'd be
1008
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:12.360
hard for three people to keep all the things the
1009
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:15.760
same when they're interviewed separately, and especially with like hypnosis.
1010
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:20.800
I mean, you know, yeah, they for the regression, I
1011
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:22.920
would think that they would have to believe that they
1012
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:23.440
went through this.
1013
01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:28.000
Indeed, indeed, exactly the way that hypnosis works is that
1014
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:30.679
they put you in a hypnotic trancel that you can
1015
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:33.880
access those memories that are not as accessible to the
1016
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:38.159
costs mind. So this is also one of the cases
1017
01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:41.840
where it made me think quite a bit from a
1018
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:44.880
philosophical point of view that you know, many times you
1019
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:48.480
hear people saying that aliens, if they existed, then they
1020
01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:52.800
want to protect humans, they want to protect the planet.
1021
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.679
But then I look at this case and I realized that, listen,
1022
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.079
that is not necessarily the case. No one knows what
1023
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:03.920
their intentions are. As a macubtact to have many instances
1024
01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:08.360
where we can see that they have malicious intentions such
1025
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.440
as this one, And that's exactly what Lou Alizondo states
1026
01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:14.039
as well. He says that you can never guess what
1027
01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:16.920
their intentions are because we just do not know. And
1028
01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:21.960
there are there are cases where they have been malicious
1029
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:28.719
to the observers, to the experiencers, and you know, unfortunately
1030
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:33.320
for Mona, Elaine and Louise, they just did not recover
1031
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:37.239
from it. Weeks turned into months, and then it turned
1032
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:40.880
into years and they just continued to suffer and they
1033
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:45.119
never returned to who they were before. And that's what
1034
01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:46.480
stuck with me the most.
1035
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:49.639
Yeah, it's it's interesting because the dichonomy between some of
1036
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:53.199
the cases because it was like Travis Walton, he believes
1037
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:55.960
that they accidentally killed him and took him on board
1038
01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:58.159
to bring him back to life because they hit him
1039
01:06:58.159 --> 01:06:59.800
with that light or whatever and it stopped as hard
1040
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:02.599
and knocked them back around. Yeah, and so and then
1041
01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:05.199
you know in this, i mean the one woman almost
1042
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:07.079
lost her as light because their ass were burnt and
1043
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.039
swollen and they had those burns and health problems.
1044
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:10.840
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
1045
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.719
Yeah, it's interesting. One of the things that you hear,
1046
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:16.679
you know, in the alien UFO world is that you know,
1047
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:19.719
maybe there are different races that are coming here that
1048
01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:21.440
some of them have better intentions than others.
1049
01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:24.719
Yeah, you see, it is these questions that make you
1050
01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:29.039
think philosophically, because I mean, I think I had I
1051
01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:31.400
think it was Stanton Friedman who had told me this.
1052
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:36.320
Stanton obviously he paused, now, but yeah, some years ago
1053
01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:39.000
I was talking to him about this and he said,
1054
01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:41.360
in the same way that you know there are good
1055
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:45.000
humans and bad humans, we have to assume the same
1056
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:48.719
for these beings. There are beings who have good intentions, right,
1057
01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:54.559
and there are beings who have malicious intentions. And you know,
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01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:57.320
as I look over at the chapters in my book,
1059
01:07:57.800 --> 01:07:59.920
I I, for example, right now, I'm looking at stuff
1060
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:05.079
Michelak's case. It is very similar to this Kentucky abduction
1061
01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:09.159
and he was harmed by his by his encounter. I
1062
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:12.239
encourage the listeners right now to just google Stefan Michelotte
1063
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:14.360
and you can see the behmarks on his body. But
1064
01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:18.119
then I look at you know, Whitey's three Bear. I
1065
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:21.840
look at Letty and Barney, and they each describe this
1066
01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:26.560
experience to be sort of as spiritual as spiritual awakening,
1067
01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:31.680
where they are sort of telling telling them and that listener,
1068
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:34.680
we need to start taking care of you. Know, the
1069
01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:39.119
sustainability essentially to take care of the planet. So, as
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01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:43.119
you stated perfectly, there is this dichotomy between the cases
1071
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:47.920
which are sort of looking looking out for the planet
1072
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:53.159
and for the abductee. But then there's also these cases
1073
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:56.560
that just prove that, you know, some of these encounters
1074
01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:01.960
are malicious and these is they do not necessarily have
1075
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:05.039
the good intentions that many of us assume they do.
1076
01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:09.039
Yeah, it's a fascinating cases in this book as well
1077
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:12.079
as in your previous book. And I love how they're
1078
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:15.600
they're kind of you started kind of a series without
1079
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:19.000
doing a series like their companion books, because the way
1080
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:22.600
we continued, you know, on Jay Allen Hannick's scale, you
1081
01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:24.600
kind of continued from the first one on to this one.
1082
01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:30.079
Yeah. Yeah, I remember just before rightly writing the first book,
1083
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:34.279
I just wanted to explore the phenomenon, you know, because
1084
01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:37.800
obviously I've read I've read many books about the phenomenon,
1085
01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:40.319
but there isn't sort of I wanted to create this
1086
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.560
series where if you combine all of them, they give
1087
01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:48.039
you this convincing argument that we are not alone, right,
1088
01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.239
and we should not be asking are we alone? We
1089
01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:55.239
should be asking why? Why are we being visited, what
1090
01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:58.760
are their intentions? That is the question that we should
1091
01:09:58.800 --> 01:09:59.920
be asking at this point.
1092
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:03.119
Yeah, and also asking for more disclosure from the governments
1093
01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:03.680
around the world.
1094
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:08.239
Yeah, yeah, indeed, indeed, you know right now there's talks
1095
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:11.439
of the of another hearing is kept coming up. But
1096
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:16.119
and many times people get caught up in this in
1097
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:19.479
this argument, you know, like when is disclosure going to happen?
1098
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:24.640
But then my question simply is the disclosure is happening.
1099
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.000
I mean, we're having the d i A published papers
1100
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:33.239
about how UFOs are harming military personnel, We're having you know,
1101
01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:38.800
whistle blowers testifying in Congress. I mean, that's that is disclosure,
1102
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:43.520
and we need to start giving you know, these stories
1103
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:48.760
the importance that it deserves. And of course your FOX
1104
01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:52.039
sightings are very interesting, and I do think that if
1105
01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:55.119
someone is not acquainted with the phenomenon, they should start
1106
01:10:55.159 --> 01:11:02.319
with UFO sightings. But then once you comprehend and acknowledge
1107
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:06.720
that these beings exist, the question should shift as to
1108
01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:10.760
what is happening to those individuals who are having close
1109
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:15.760
encounters and you know, what is happening when abductions take place,
1110
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:21.079
and what is division behind these abductions? Why on a
1111
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:27.399
philosophical perspective, why are these abductions taking place?
1112
01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:30.359
Right? Yeah? What do they want from us? Why are
1113
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:35.680
they mutilating animals and abducting? Yeah, very fascinating and another
1114
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:37.760
awesome book. Warren, thank you so much for coming on today.
1115
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:41.479
It's been an absolute pleasure. Eric. It's always fun talking
1116
01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:45.279
to you being on the podcast. I genuinely like to
1117
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:49.439
think all all the listeners feel free to reach out
1118
01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:53.039
to me on Instagram and Facebook. Let me know what
1119
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:57.039
you think about the phenomenon. I feel free to reach out.
1120
01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:00.079
And the new book is called Close Encounters, exploring the
1121
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:03.000
Mysteries of Alien Productions. And where can people grab a
1122
01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:03.479
copy of it?
1123
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:06.720
So they can grab the copy? Just where you buy books.
1124
01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:12.359
There's Amazon, there's wh Smith, It's anywhere where you can
1125
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:15.319
buy buy your book, all right. And if people want
1126
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:17.760
a signed copy, just get in touch with me and
1127
01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:20.920
we can arrange for that to happen as well. Obviously
1128
01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:23.479
I'll do it will be the same price. I will
1129
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:25.439
obviously be charging more for that, So feel free to
1130
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:26.279
reach out to me.
1131
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:29.279
All right. Awesome, Thank you again, Warren. All right, everybody,
1132
01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:31.640
y'all stay safe for there, have a good day. We'll
1133
01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:38.079
see you next time. Thank you for listening to the
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Unseen Paranormal. Join me next Wednesday with a brand new guest,
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Until next time, remember some of the scariest things for
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Unseen wel cone.
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To the that.
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01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:16.279
Woof, I've can bear your fool.
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01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:21.000
It's your passy on the side.
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As a bike that hide side ways. God and Wils