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00:00:03.600My whole life I like spent my time trying to build stuff and do stuff for myself.
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00:00:04.639That's not the answer.
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00:00:13.599The answer's actually like how f as I said before, I really want to get people to start paying attention to use the information out there so they can find their true form of life.
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00:00:17.839More and more, but people are just avoiding that discomfort, those hard decisions.
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00:00:21.280People just think it's literally like a diagonal line going up.
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00:00:24.000Life just slowly gets better and better and better, but it doesn't.
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00:00:26.800You're not faking it till you make it.
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00:00:30.559You're making yourself that person to be able to put yourself in the position to do it.
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00:00:32.640To me, that's the easiest answer in the world.
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00:00:34.960The reason I say that is because you've got to back yourself.
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00:00:39.759Take opinions on board, but if you know, you know.
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00:00:46.079So if you can look at everything with love and if you can walk in life with an open heart, I think that's the most important thing.
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00:00:47.200How about you?
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00:00:50.960I see everything you're building.
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00:00:57.759Um so we're kind of moving through a few different things, a few different variables.
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00:01:00.960We've got Breathe Melbourne, which is the festival, obviously.
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00:01:06.879And then we've got One Million Minds, which is trying to scale stadiums around the world.
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00:01:10.560Um, and then in between that, I'm just doing a bunch of other stuff.
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00:01:13.760Like, kind of got my my finger in a few pies.
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00:01:17.760But like I'll explain more obviously when we chat properly.
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00:01:33.840But I just feel like I've come to this conclusion in life that like the more you can, and this seems so obvious, but it's like the more that you can actually help people and build them up whilst taking a bit of that, the more you're gonna be able to achieve, and the more you're gonna get done.
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00:01:41.439And like I my whole life I've kind of like spent my time trying to build stuff and do stuff by myself, and like that's not the answer.
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00:01:47.200The answer's actually like helping people, which I always knew, but I thought I had to be well.
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00:01:53.599I've I've got a close friend that you know I've been talking to lately, and he's very into like energy and things like that, and sound and vibration.
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00:02:05.280And we speak about signal and amplifier, and the signal being the one that's doing the work or the product, yeah, and the amplifier being the one that comes in and then elevates that, right?
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00:02:07.040Amazing, yeah, which is really cool.
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00:02:09.919Yeah, so like yeah, it's um Where do you which one do you see?
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00:02:11.280I'm an amplifier now.
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00:02:28.240Yeah, like I've always thought I needed to be a signal, but I'm actually an amplifier, and that makes sense with who I am because my whole life I've been trying to just be that signal when really I've always been bringing people up, I've just never been monetizing it or doing it in a way that makes sense, right?
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00:02:31.520So yeah, just fitting your puzzle piece where it's meant to be.
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00:02:32.159I love that.
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00:02:40.719Yeah, I had a guest on a couple of weeks ago, and he said, like your income's directly linked to the value you add to the hundred percent, yeah.
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00:02:45.680And it's same, like I've always known it, but then as soon as you said that, I'm like, you know what?
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00:02:48.719Yeah, like I can add more value to other people's lives.
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00:02:54.960And once you start doing that, yeah, and then you if you're in the right position, yeah, yeah, that energy just comes back.
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00:03:01.439Yeah, there's a difference between like doing that and under like knowing that and understanding 100% because knowing and understanding is different.
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00:03:08.960Yeah, it's like when you understand it, it's like, well, okay, like because I've known I've heard that so many times over years and years and years.
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00:03:13.120I'm like, oh yeah, true, but I feel like recently I've just clicked.
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00:03:16.879I'm like, oh, this is what we actually have to try and do.
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00:03:18.080What clicked?
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00:03:21.919Um I don't know.
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00:03:24.319I think it's an embodiment.
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00:03:38.960If you know like where that leads, it's like it's it's embodying that and knowing that like I am that person that does that, rather than just like thinking where can I add value?
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00:03:59.599Okay because you like the embodiment is a few things, but it's also not being like fake, yeah, right, and trying to fake it till you make it, which everyone says to do, but it's like well, you're not faking it till you make it, you're making yourself that person to be able to put yourself in the position to do it.
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00:04:04.960Yeah, let's unpack that a bit.
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00:04:05.439Let's do it.
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00:04:05.919Yeah, yeah.
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00:04:07.759So let's start with you.
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00:04:08.719Yeah, are we on?
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00:04:09.840Oh, we are.
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00:04:12.319Yeah, cool, cool.
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00:04:14.639Like, where did all this all this start for you?
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00:04:20.800Go back to I guess when you left school, what you did forwards moving forwards.
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00:04:24.639So I guess like I grew up, I'll start with growing up.
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00:04:29.759I grew up in Ballarat, so country, uh, I guess, like half country, half not country.
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00:04:37.920Um, and then the same with with my nan.
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00:04:50.560Um kind of mum had it has a disability down one side of her body, she's paralyzed.
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00:05:03.680So yeah, not to jump straight in the deep end with all the struggles, but it kind of shaped who I was a little bit and maybe the person I am being being responsible for myself.
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00:05:09.759Obviously, there's guidance there and support and and values, that's the most important thing, and and love.
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00:05:21.519But at the same time, there's also a sense of like having to have that weight on your shoulders and responsibility, and I guess having to learn things myself rather than being guided and taught things.
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00:05:27.439So I guess through that I I learnt the basic things alone.
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00:05:49.680And what I've learned over time is that from learning those basic things alone, that process of being able to learn is the exact same thing that you do to create a multi-million dollar company as you do to create the simple task of like going to the ATM and putting a card in or learning to shave by yourself, like whatever it is, like it's the same thing, just amplified at another level.
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00:05:52.480So, yeah, over time that's what I sort of learnt.
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00:06:02.879And it's it's a great thing in retrospect when you look back, but at the time it's it's obviously you know, you you think you're stuck in it and you don't know why that's happening to you or why you're in those positions.
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00:06:12.000So yeah, that that's kind of my my base.
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00:06:15.199And um, always always grew up with a bit of a mission.
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00:06:17.920Like I wanted to play, I want to play AFL originally.
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00:06:20.000I want to play footy.
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00:06:24.399Uh obviously, being a kid, you don't know what the answer is and you don't know where you're going.
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00:06:29.040And for me, that was the thing that was right in my face, as it is with many, many young guys.
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00:06:31.120It's just like sport, this, that, everything.
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00:06:43.680For me, it was it was a way out or a way to set myself up, but more importantly, set my family up and help them and help mom and buy mummy house.
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00:06:45.199It was always a goal, all of this stuff.
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00:06:48.879And yeah, over time, like I got really good at footy.
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00:07:01.680I I'd spend every single day, like at the at the park or the footy oval, like literally every single day for years, just there trying to work as hard as I can and do as much as I can to be the best that I could be.
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00:07:02.480And it's it's weird.
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00:07:06.399I was like a kid that that knew what I wanted, but didn't know exactly how to do it.
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00:07:17.199And you know, again, looking back, being the adult I am now, I'd love to have been able to offer some support to that kid because it's it's not easy.
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00:07:27.120And you know, like even you can be working hard, but as we know, like if you're not working smart and you don't know what exactly you should be doing, then you're not gonna do as well as what you should, right?
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00:07:29.120Yeah, and that's what I felt I did.
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00:07:33.439Like even with footy, like I'd I'd practice things, but was it probably the right thing to do?
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00:07:36.560So I'd spend 10 hours when I could just spend one.
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00:07:39.759I think that's a trap for most people.
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00:07:41.920You you you have a goal, you want to achieve it, yeah.
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00:07:42.720Just work hard.
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00:07:46.000Don't think about it, just put in hard work and you'll finally get there.
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00:07:47.759But that's not always how it works out.
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00:07:52.959Yeah, so over time that's kind of what I kept doing and kept just smashing it.
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00:08:02.079I'd run every day, you know, like we'd we'd go to dinner, or we'd go like we didn't do many dinners, but we'd go somewhere to catch up with someone or wherever it is.
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00:08:27.360And you know, I'd I'd say to mum, like, I'm running, you know, and I'd run like 10, 20k just to get somewhere because I wanted to be fit, and I got so good at running that I was winning all the time trials, doing this, doing that as I got older, and it was just this thing of like, well, okay, I may not have the skill sets or the coaching to be able to necessarily have the skills, which I didn't know at the time.
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00:08:30.959I thought I was doing great, but the running was something I always could control.
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00:08:34.240I just run as fast as you can and see how far you can go, and that's it.
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00:08:35.600How old were you then?
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00:08:45.759I probably ran from the age of about nine, probably well, I still run today, but not as often.
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00:09:00.080Yeah, um, but yeah, far out till till 18, and I was running intensely probably every day, and like looking back again, it's funny, you you see it as a almost a thing where you're running away from stuff and like using that as well.
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00:09:02.720I'm heavily into meditation and breath work now.
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00:09:14.000Running's the same thing, you're in this conscious flow state of in your brain, you're thinking, you're operating, and you can process all of that garbage that's there whilst you're running.
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00:09:21.600And yeah, yes, it was that, but it was also I didn't know that at the time, but it was for me a tool to be better at footy, yeah, and that's what I wanted.
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00:09:44.720And yeah, over time, again, like we'll continue the story to the point where I was really good at footy, was playing really, really well, was involved in a lot of, you know, I was involved in the state teams, I was involved in uh the the local setups with the it was TAC Cup at the time, but NAB League now um went through the went through the processes, got really close to the the draft when I was 18, went to the draft combine, all of that sort of stuff.
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00:09:46.960Spoke to like 13 AFL clubs.
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00:09:52.720Um I think there was like two or three of us from that year that went to the combine that didn't actually and then get picked up.
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00:09:58.879So yeah, obviously a tough, tough lesson in life, and you know, you think your world's combling down around you.
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00:10:00.559And that's at 18, 19?
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00:10:01.759That was 18, yeah.
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00:10:02.720Yeah, yeah.
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00:10:11.759So obviously, you know, having put a lot of effort into that, that's when it got to the point where it was, you know, to me in my eyes at the time, that's that's the end.
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00:10:15.919So um, yeah, there's there's more from there, but yeah, that's where I came from.
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00:10:22.799That's pretty big to be training all that time, have that dream, this is what I'm gonna do, and then not make it.
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00:10:26.000How do you how do you process that?
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00:10:27.279But then what was next?
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00:10:29.440Like, how do you find yourself after that?
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00:10:31.039Yeah, yeah, it was tough.
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00:10:32.799It was tough, especially especially at that age.
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00:10:33.759At that age, yeah.
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00:10:37.200You think it's you think it's nothing, but it's actually it's everything, right?
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00:10:38.159It's your identity.
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00:10:44.080And I again, I look at everything in retrospect because over time I start to realise what it actually means.
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00:10:55.039And you see people all the time go through midlife crises or they go through something, it's like, well, that happened to me very early, true, and it also happened before when I had to work out what I wanted to do.
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00:10:58.559So people find their purpose when they're like 25, whatever it is.
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00:11:00.720I knew what I wanted to do when I was 10.
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00:11:01.200Yeah.
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00:11:01.759Right.
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00:11:04.879And I was locked into that like fully.
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00:11:05.440Yeah.
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00:11:10.000So I've I've kind of just gone on this mission to try and work it out and see see how I can do it.
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00:11:12.320But yeah, at the time it was it was tough.
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00:11:16.799Like you feel like, as I said, everything's ending and you don't know where to start again.
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00:11:24.240But for me, I'll being the person I was and the the young kid that I was at the time, like I wasn't giving up.
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00:11:28.879So, you know, like I moved the next year to to Geelong.
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00:11:33.440I played on the VFL list, uh, did a pre-season with the AFL guys, which was really cool.
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00:11:33.679Yeah.
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00:11:39.919Uh, for those that follow footy, I was you know, in the midfield with Danger, Salwood, Gary Ablett.
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00:11:42.000Um, yeah, pretty cool stuff.
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00:11:45.759So yeah, that was a really cool sort of year for me.
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00:11:50.399Um, but at the same time, it was a really tough year because I I moved away from home.
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00:11:55.919Um, didn't have that support network in Geelong that that I that I wanted or need probably needed.
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00:12:02.240I did have friends, but it was like friend rock up, see them, go home, then then what have you got?
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00:12:03.200Yeah sort of thing.
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00:12:05.200So it was, yeah, very lonely year.
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00:12:08.720But um thought I was doing really well throughout that year.
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00:12:10.399Thought I was doing really, really well.
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00:12:15.600Um, had a few two matches and then wasn't getting games.
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00:12:28.320Um, and again, understanding at the time, you know, wasn't sure why that was, didn't have the courage to step up and ask questions, so kept it within, which was a challenge.
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00:12:33.759And yeah, that that led me down a lot of different roads, but yeah, it was definitely tricky.
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00:12:34.720Yeah, yeah.
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00:12:44.559Two important facts I've realized about red light therapy after talking to John, the founder and CEO of Lumaflex, and joining the Lumiflex Academy.
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00:14:08.639So, how do you go from that into what you're doing now?
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00:14:10.000Because we'll dive into everything you're doing now.
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00:14:11.120It's absolutely epic.
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00:14:11.840Yeah, yeah.
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00:14:19.200When I asked you how old you were on the way up, I was like, surely sort of mid-30s because of how much you've done and what you're achieving.
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00:14:20.799Yeah, it's epic.
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00:14:21.120Yeah.
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00:14:25.440And uh but first, let's get into the breath work and meditation.
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00:14:31.519But I've always found breathing very strange, it's something we all do, but we get it so wrong.
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00:14:32.559Like it's crazy.
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00:14:39.200So, at what point did you get into breath work and realize oh, this is something I need to focus on and show people?
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00:14:40.960Yeah, it's a funny one.
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00:14:50.480So when I was probably 17-ish, 16, I started listening to a lot of podcasts, funnily enough, and that's where I started to discover different tools.
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00:14:55.919And for me, it was tools for performance to be the best version of myself, so to say.
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00:14:58.720So I was always, you know, tapping into that stuff early.
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00:15:02.879Like I wasn't necessarily breath work, but meditation was something I was really into.
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00:15:13.039Um, I'd seen mum doing it a little bit uh for her like mindset with her disability and uh things like that, and that's what you know helped her come back.
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00:15:15.039She was told she was she wasn't gonna walk in.
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00:15:20.000So pretty remarkable lady uh to be able to do that and a big inspiration.
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00:15:26.480But yeah, I've seen her doing stuff, and you know, I guess didn't take it in the time, probably subconsciously.
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00:15:36.240But when I was that age, I yeah, was listening to all these gurus on on meditation and how that can make you such a great athlete, such a great person, whatever it is.
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00:15:42.000So I started tapping into it, and you know, started with the basic stuff, the headspace app was out, the smiling mind.
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00:15:43.679Uh that's that's where I started.
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00:15:55.120And over time that started to to progress into bigger and bigger things, and I was doing visualizations for sport, everything like that, and that's that's kind of my my entry point.
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00:16:03.120And then we got to the point where I with that storyline of when I was 18 and I started to get involved in in fitness a bit more.
00:16:03.120 -->
00:16:05.200I did my PT qualification.
00:16:05.200 -->
00:16:10.320Um, so I yeah, I started with PT qualification and and started doing that.
00:16:10.320 -->
00:16:16.240And eventually over time, I I met a really good friend of mine and we we opened a group fitness company.
00:16:16.240 -->
00:16:18.080Amazing, and that was at 18.
00:16:18.080 -->
00:16:19.200It was 18?
00:16:19.200 -->
00:16:20.879Yeah, I think I was 18.
00:16:20.879 -->
00:16:22.240I was at 18 or 19.
00:16:22.240 -->
00:16:24.399Yeah he was a year younger than me.
00:16:24.399 -->
00:16:28.080So he yeah, I must have been 19, just turned 19.
00:16:28.080 -->
00:16:31.519And yeah, we opened this fitness company, and it was insane.
00:16:31.519 -->
00:16:32.240It was insane.
00:16:32.240 -->
00:16:34.240Like we had no idea what we were doing.
00:16:34.240 -->
00:16:39.919We had this guy that that let us rent his his space, so it was a pre-existing gym, yeah.
00:16:39.919 -->
00:16:47.519It was a full gym setup, uh, full gym of our own that we had and redesigned it, painted it up, did everything.
00:16:47.519 -->
00:16:50.159Um, again, not knowing what we were doing.
00:16:50.159 -->
00:16:55.200And then we got into this the point when we were we were running this group fitness studio, right?
00:16:55.200 -->
00:16:59.840And at the same time, I was no help well, yeah.
00:16:59.840 -->
00:17:05.039I'm getting my timelines a bit mixed up, but I think this was when I moved back from Geelong to Ballarat.
00:17:05.039 -->
00:17:06.880Yep, yeah, so the gym was in Ballarat.
00:17:06.880 -->
00:17:09.119Yeah, yeah, the gym was in Ballarat, but I was traveling.
00:17:09.119 -->
00:17:12.160Okay, so I was going like in this like triangle thing.
00:17:12.160 -->
00:17:22.240So I'd travel to Ballarat, run the gym in the morning, then I was working in a place called Bannockburn, which is in between Geelong and Ballarat, the at a P12 school.
00:17:22.240 -->
00:17:25.759I was doing education sport, so like teacher's aid sort of setup.
00:17:25.759 -->
00:17:32.000So I was doing a few things and then I'd drive all the way to Geelong, do the sessions, and then drive back.
00:17:32.000 -->
00:17:33.920And I'd do that on repeat.
00:17:33.920 -->
00:17:36.240Yeah, so I was I was pretty wrecked, obviously.
00:17:36.240 -->
00:17:44.720But to to come back to what we're talking about in the meditation, that's when I started sort of integrating the meditation into the fitness classes.
00:17:44.720 -->
00:17:46.400So we'd do a variety of things.
00:17:46.400 -->
00:17:52.720We'd do we'd do meditation, or we'd do a class we called mindful mobility.
00:17:52.720 -->
00:18:03.039So it pretty much like I didn't know at the time, but this was like a form of yoga combined with you know, like things that are already a thing, right?
00:18:03.039 -->
00:18:12.559So we'd we'd have yoga, but with a little bit of breath work, a little bit of breathing, basic stuff, and people would be feeling their body and grounding, but they'd also be, you know, in a state of breath.
00:18:12.559 -->
00:18:13.440Yeah, I love that.
00:18:13.440 -->
00:18:13.599Yeah.
00:18:13.599 -->
00:18:13.839Yeah.
00:18:13.839 -->
00:18:16.240So that's what we did, and we did another one called Box Med.
00:18:16.240 -->
00:18:18.079And this one I still do today.
00:18:18.079 -->
00:18:24.640So when I do workshops with people, you know, I still often get called in to do workshops, and that's kind of something that I do.
00:18:24.640 -->
00:18:30.240But we ran a class called Mox Box Med, and that's boxing and meditation combined into one.
00:18:30.240 -->
00:18:31.759It's really cool, right?
00:18:31.759 -->
00:18:35.279Okay, because for people that they're like, all right, I don't like meditation.
00:18:35.279 -->
00:18:36.720That's a lot of people.
00:18:36.720 -->
00:18:42.400I don't, I couldn't sit there for this amount of time or X amount of time, or I can't do breath work, whatever it is.
00:18:42.400 -->
00:18:46.799It's like you don't have to, I'll get you on the pads first, and then we can get down on the floor and breathe through it.
00:18:46.799 -->
00:18:47.039Yeah.
00:18:47.039 -->
00:18:47.440Right?
00:18:47.440 -->
00:18:49.599Because you get to a point when you're boxing, right?
00:18:49.599 -->
00:18:52.240And if we're really going for it, you'll be stuffed.
00:18:52.240 -->
00:18:54.240You won't be able to breathe, right?
00:18:54.240 -->
00:18:56.559So what do you have no choice but to do?
00:18:56.559 -->
00:18:58.240Breathe.
00:18:58.240 -->
00:19:06.480So we get to the we kind of build them up, get them to the point where they're where they're absolutely buggered, and then they're down on the floor breathing through it, right?
00:19:06.480 -->
00:19:10.559And the goal is can you stay still in your body?
00:19:10.559 -->
00:19:11.680Are you tough enough?
00:19:11.680 -->
00:19:14.880Are you strong enough to be able to stay there and breathe through this?
00:19:14.880 -->
00:19:17.440Because you're in a form of discomfort.
00:19:17.440 -->
00:19:20.960That discomfort is the exact thing that you're avoiding.
00:19:20.960 -->
00:19:22.400Fire out.
00:19:22.400 -->
00:19:23.279So face it.
00:19:23.440 -->
00:19:23.759Yeah.
00:19:24.000 -->
00:19:24.799And that's what we did.
00:19:24.799 -->
00:19:30.319And at 18, to I guess to have that understanding is pretty cool when I look back at it.
00:19:30.319 -->
00:19:35.839But something we still do now, or I still do now, and you know, that's evolved over time.
00:19:35.839 -->
00:19:38.319But yeah, it's still a tool that I can bring out when I need it.
00:19:38.799 -->
00:19:44.160It's so good because it fought, like you said, it forces people into that situation in that comfort zone, and they've got to sit with it.
00:19:44.160 -->
00:19:45.119Yeah, yeah.
00:19:45.519 -->
00:19:46.640Yeah, so important.
00:19:46.640 -->
00:19:48.160Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:19:48.160 -->
00:19:50.480And it's also it represents life.
00:19:50.480 -->
00:19:56.960That's what I always say as well, is life's gonna go up and then it's gonna go down and up and down.
00:19:56.960 -->
00:20:01.519The boxing's the up and then you hit the peak and then you come down.
00:20:01.519 -->
00:20:06.240And can you sort of keep yourself alive on those waves?
00:20:06.240 -->
00:20:07.440Can you ride the wave?
00:20:07.440 -->
00:20:10.240But also like, can you learn to be this as well?
00:20:10.240 -->
00:20:18.079You know, like if you're boxing doing anything, if you're struggling, can you stay there instead of dropping or instead of going up?
00:20:18.240 -->
00:20:19.039Yeah, yeah.
00:20:19.039 -->
00:20:28.799It's like at the moment, more and more, like people are just avoiding that discomfort, yeah, and those hard decisions.
00:20:28.799 -->
00:20:32.240People just think it's literally like a diagonal line going up.
00:20:32.240 -->
00:20:34.960Life just slowly gets better and better and better, but it doesn't.
00:20:34.960 -->
00:20:36.240No, it's always up and down.
00:20:36.240 -->
00:20:49.119Yeah, and like you said, trying to find those things that help you control those high emotions, lower emotions, because you you want to be feeling those emotions, but feeling and reacting to those emotions that's the hard part, and I find a lot of people struggle with.
00:20:49.119 -->
00:20:51.920But can we dive into that a little bit?
00:20:51.920 -->
00:20:57.519Because yeah, it's it's all good to understand breathing and discomfort.
00:20:57.519 -->
00:21:01.759But what let's use that boxing example, yeah, yeah.
00:21:01.759 -->
00:21:03.279Like, what's the goal out of that?
00:21:03.279 -->
00:21:04.319Like, what can people learn?
00:21:04.319 -->
00:21:05.519What can people take away from that?
00:21:05.839 -->
00:21:14.079Yeah, well, yeah, you mentioned two things there, like uh your ability to feel it and your ability to be in it.
00:21:14.079 -->
00:21:15.440I think it was.
00:21:15.440 -->
00:21:25.119They're actually different things, like feeling through something doesn't mean you have to ride that feeling and then act upon those feelings.
00:21:25.119 -->
00:21:26.160Yeah.
00:21:26.160 -->
00:21:33.920So in between that, you you're in a processing stage, you're actually processing your emotions, and then you're taking action.
00:21:33.920 -->
00:21:47.920People miss the mark, I feel they either don't process and they jump straight in, and then they stuff everything up, and then they get to the other side and they're like, Oh, I acted too quick and I went the wrong way with that.
00:21:47.920 -->
00:21:54.480Or they'll process too much and then they get stuck in that processing, they keep processing, yeah, and then they never actually do anything.
00:21:54.640 -->
00:21:54.880Yeah.
00:21:55.119 -->
00:21:57.039So that's the two versions of it, right?
00:21:57.200 -->
00:21:57.440Yep.
00:21:57.440 -->
00:21:59.359I've been guilty of the second one for sure.
00:22:00.240 -->
00:22:00.720Guilty of both.
00:22:00.720 -->
00:22:01.039Yeah.
00:22:01.039 -->
00:22:01.440Yeah.
00:22:01.440 -->
00:22:02.720I've been guilty of both.
00:22:02.720 -->
00:22:10.880So if you can get into the state where you process, you quickly process, which is in turn self-awareness, right?
00:22:10.880 -->
00:22:12.240That's what we call it.
00:22:12.240 -->
00:22:22.960We get to the point where we get through that self-awareness stage and we do it as not we don't rush it, but we really have time to process and get through it, then we take action based off that, right?
00:22:22.960 -->
00:22:27.119We come back into the logical mind where we can actually do something that makes sense.
00:22:27.119 -->
00:22:29.119That's structure, right?
00:22:29.119 -->
00:22:32.880But people again, they'll either skip it or they'll get stuck in it.
00:22:32.880 -->
00:22:33.359Yeah.
00:22:33.359 -->
00:22:36.559And and they're both like they're both as bad as each other.
00:22:36.559 -->
00:22:39.599If you skip it, like you don't know what you can do.
00:22:39.599 -->
00:22:43.039Like you can, you're probably gonna hurt yourself and you're probably gonna hurt other people.
00:22:43.039 -->
00:22:46.880And if you're not conscious, you won't even know that you're doing that.
00:22:46.880 -->
00:22:50.079You and you you can still get success from that, right?
00:22:50.079 -->
00:23:01.039And that's a big thing I always talk about is you can get success by skipping the emotion because you're physically doing something, so the world's gonna come to you, it's gonna give you what you need still.
00:23:01.039 -->
00:23:01.839But you know what?
00:23:01.839 -->
00:23:04.000Along the way, you might hurt a lot of people, yeah.
00:23:04.000 -->
00:23:07.200And that's uh that's a thing that people may not be aware of.
00:23:08.400 -->
00:23:10.000How do we come more aware of that?
00:23:10.000 -->
00:23:12.240Like what do we what do you do?
00:23:12.240 -->
00:23:27.279Yeah, I love your process of telling the story, and as you said, like w when you were growing up, you had to learn how to do things, and it it just goes to show yes, learning, but the risk as well.
00:23:27.279 -->
00:23:49.599It's like you can take risks, but because you can control your emotions basically, not basically, but you can control emotions, the risk is little because you can control the outcome, whether it's good, bad, medium, completely stuff it up, you've you're in control still, and you can go through that and still make it work, or go, oh well, that didn't work, I'll change that.
00:23:49.599 -->
00:23:51.519So it's quite impressive.
00:23:51.519 -->
00:23:53.119And I tr want to try to unpack it.
00:23:53.119 -->
00:23:58.079I'm trying to think of a good question to ask, but like you said, you're very aware of that as well.
00:23:58.079 -->
00:24:03.279So where I want to go with this, a lot of people are just unaware, yeah.
00:24:03.279 -->
00:24:04.480They're just going through life.
00:24:04.480 -->
00:24:16.079Yeah, and I was had a client this morning, and whenever the bumper plates are mixed up on the tree, yeah, he just gets the shits, and he's like, Yeah, why don't people put Yeah and he and he gets there, organise it every single session.
00:24:16.079 -->
00:24:20.240We're all there, and he's like, How do people just not put it in place?
00:24:20.240 -->
00:24:23.359Like, you can see it's out of order, why not put it in order?
00:24:23.359 -->
00:24:29.359And I said, most people are just oblivious to life and the order of things and not even paying attention, yeah, yeah.
00:24:29.359 -->
00:24:35.759And as I said before, I really want to get people to start paying attention to use the information out there so they can find their true form in life.
00:24:35.759 -->
00:24:43.599Yeah, so how do we take your learnings, your lessons, where you're at now, and get people to be more aware and start seeing those things?
00:24:44.720 -->
00:24:45.519So much to that.
00:24:45.519 -->
00:25:07.920I know, sorry, so much to that, but I think I think it's important to realize that, and this is what I'm coming to the conclusion of now, probably at the age I'm at, but you can't change people, and we know that, and it's frustrating, but you can't you can't tell someone to do something, they'll never listen.
00:25:07.920 -->
00:25:10.319But if you show them how, they might do it.
00:25:10.319 -->
00:25:13.200If you set the example, they might do it.
00:25:13.200 -->
00:25:14.799That's the important thing.
00:25:14.799 -->
00:25:20.720And I think to become self-aware is is your main goal.
00:25:20.720 -->
00:25:25.839And if you can become more self-aware, you'll then be able to show other people to become more self-aware.
00:25:25.839 -->
00:25:27.759And that's that's all you can really do.
00:25:27.759 -->
00:25:33.119And when you become more self-aware, it actually gets harder, not easier, because you start seeing more.
00:25:33.119 -->
00:25:33.839Yeah, right.
00:25:33.839 -->
00:25:41.039I've sat in so many conversations with people where they're telling me all the things that are wrong with me, and I just sit there like, yeah, thanks.
00:25:41.039 -->
00:25:42.000I'll take that on board.
00:25:42.000 -->
00:25:48.960Like, I'll take that on board because you know, some of the things they might be saying are not right, but some of them might be right too, and I'm willing to take that on.
00:25:48.960 -->
00:25:59.920But at the same time, I'm sitting there and I might see a hundred things that I could talk about you, but I'm not going to in this moment because I know it's going to divide the conversation.
00:25:59.920 -->
00:26:04.160I know it's going to end up in something that doesn't need to be if you're not ready for it.
00:26:04.160 -->
00:26:07.039But if you're ready for it, we'll have that conversation.
00:26:07.039 -->
00:26:10.000And you can plant seeds and you can drop things in.
00:26:10.000 -->
00:26:20.880But as soon as you get that little reaction, say, oh, okay, I'll pull back a bit, I'll draw that back and and know that it's not it's not the time and it may not be my responsibility to do that.
00:26:21.599 -->
00:26:22.160100%.
00:26:22.160 -->
00:26:30.799And like you said, the more you learn about yourself, yeah, you can't control others, you can't control anything other than what you are doing.
00:26:30.799 -->
00:26:36.640So trying to, you know, force people to put the plates back on the tree right every single time, it's not going to work.
00:26:36.640 -->
00:26:36.880Yeah.
00:26:36.880 -->
00:26:39.279You can just control your emotions towards that.
00:26:39.279 -->
00:26:41.839You can't control where the plates end up.
00:26:41.839 -->
00:26:44.559And yeah, like you said, it's hard.
00:26:44.559 -->
00:26:48.319But obviously, the more you practice it, like training for footy, right?
00:26:48.319 -->
00:26:50.400The more you run, the better you get it running.
00:26:50.400 -->
00:26:58.880The more you practice going into those uncomfortable places and then sitting with that feeling, breathing through it, the more you do it, the stronger you get at it.
00:26:58.880 -->
00:27:03.759Because you're not reacting to those, you know, that person saying certain things towards you.
00:27:03.759 -->
00:27:04.640Yeah.
00:27:04.880 -->
00:27:05.119Yeah.
00:27:05.119 -->
00:27:06.400It's a skill, like anything.
00:27:06.400 -->
00:27:12.400And like as I said, I talk about meditation and breath work being one of those main skills to develop those traits.
00:27:12.400 -->
00:27:15.839It is the best, like one of the best.
00:27:15.839 -->
00:27:19.839You know, any sort of modality like that is one of the best.
00:27:19.839 -->
00:27:24.960Anything where you can, you know, do that, but also be in your own mind and process.
00:27:24.960 -->
00:27:30.799So running's great, calming your nervous system in any other way is great, sound healing's great because it resets you.
00:27:30.799 -->
00:27:35.680There's so many modalities, but they all give you different facets of what you're trying to create.
00:27:35.680 -->
00:27:40.880And if you can find the one that works for you, that's your first step.
00:27:40.880 -->
00:27:44.880Like, as I as I said, like you don't have to do meditation and breath work.
00:27:44.880 -->
00:27:48.559You don't have to, like, there's no rule book saying you have to do that.
00:27:48.559 -->
00:27:51.200But if you can find that in something else, that's great.
00:27:51.200 -->
00:27:52.880As I said, running's a great one.
00:27:52.880 -->
00:27:54.559Distance running is a great one.
00:27:54.559 -->
00:27:56.400Sprinting's a great one.
00:27:56.400 -->
00:28:01.359If you're like sprinting, sprint, and then you walk back for your next sprint over a hundred meters.
00:28:01.359 -->
00:28:03.359That's when you process if you're by yourself.
00:28:03.359 -->
00:28:11.279You get to think about things, and you you might think about what you did this morning to someone that you love, and that's your time to time to do it.
00:28:11.440 -->
00:28:12.160Yeah, yeah.
00:28:12.160 -->
00:28:17.119And again, you can only focus on your breath because if you're not sprinting hard, you're gonna be breathing hard.
00:28:17.279 -->
00:28:17.680Yeah, yeah.
00:28:17.680 -->
00:28:28.880And that's why why exercise is such a great thing because you're in you're embodying yourself, you're moving, you're grounding, but people don't think about that often, but that's important.
00:28:29.200 -->
00:28:30.240Yeah, yeah.
00:28:30.240 -->
00:28:33.440Yeah, well, again, back to the plates on the tree.
00:28:33.440 -->
00:28:38.880People are just in the gym, they're in a gym, they're not actually mindful of anything that's going on.
00:28:39.680 -->
00:28:43.519Well, there the thing is this is this is really important as well.
00:28:43.519 -->
00:28:52.640Some people in that gym are so focused on trying to get fit, and in that process, they're surviving, right?
00:28:52.640 -->
00:29:00.880So that's something we can think about is yeah, it sucks, but at the same time, like for them to be in that gym, it might be a big thing.
00:29:00.880 -->
00:29:12.559Yeah, and it's like, well, they're they're working towards something for themselves, so they're so hyper focused on that, which can be seen as selfish, but it also may not be, it may be something that they need.
00:29:12.559 -->
00:29:24.400So that level of understanding is important too, of like, oh, they're in this position, that's okay, let's just keep pushing them to be able to get to that point that we that we're at, you know.
00:29:24.400 -->
00:29:32.400And the thing is, the responsibility we take on as business owners or leaders or whatever it is, is a leadership role, right?
00:29:32.400 -->
00:29:36.160So you can't expect people to be on the same level as you all the time.
00:29:36.160 -->
00:29:37.359That's that's the thing.
00:29:37.359 -->
00:29:46.559And it's like if we can learn to accept that, which is again comes back to our self-awareness of acceptance and being okay with that, then I think we'll get our answers.
00:29:46.559 -->
00:29:46.960Yeah.
00:29:46.960 -->
00:29:47.359Yeah.
00:29:47.519 -->
00:29:51.279And the more like again, you can't expect things from other people.
00:29:51.279 -->
00:29:51.599Yeah.
00:29:51.599 -->
00:29:52.960Because they're just doing their thing.
00:29:52.960 -->
00:29:53.200Yeah.
00:29:53.200 -->
00:29:55.680Like you can only do what you can only control you.
00:29:55.680 -->
00:29:55.920Yeah.
00:29:55.920 -->
00:30:01.200So expecting something from other people is just I'd say it's a mirror on what you're lacking.
00:30:01.200 -->
00:30:01.680Correct.
00:30:01.680 -->
00:30:06.559So if you're frustrated with that person not doing putting the plates away, then it's on you.
00:30:06.559 -->
00:30:07.599That's your frustration.
00:30:07.759 -->
00:30:08.079Correct.
00:30:08.319 -->
00:30:08.960Not on them.
00:30:09.119 -->
00:30:09.359Yeah.
00:30:09.359 -->
00:30:12.480And then diving deeper into that, what what is that frustration?
00:30:12.480 -->
00:30:16.079Because that's where people, you know, if if you're self-aware, you'll be like, I'm frustrated.
00:30:16.079 -->
00:30:17.039Then why?
00:30:17.039 -->
00:30:23.680And as we just spoke about, maybe your leadership capacity isn't what it needs to be, right?
00:30:23.680 -->
00:30:26.960Doesn't mean that you're not like doing well.
00:30:26.960 -->
00:30:28.400You are, you're doing great.
00:30:28.400 -->
00:30:37.279But if you're getting frustrated over someone that's lacking something, then why are you upset about that if you have the capacity to lead the way you think you can?
00:30:37.279 -->
00:30:46.720Or you have the capacity to be that version of yourself that you can hold other people and be there for people, you're probably open to gym because you want to help people, right?
00:30:46.720 -->
00:30:48.799So this is your chance.
00:30:48.799 -->
00:30:57.440And that's the yes, that's so hard to get to those answers, but when you really step back and look at it from a different lens, that's what you can frame it as.
00:30:57.680 -->
00:30:59.599And it goes back to what you first said.
00:30:59.599 -->
00:31:01.759Like what was the first analogy?
00:31:01.759 -->
00:31:04.559Inbodying and in amplifying.
00:31:04.799 -->
00:31:06.559Yes, signal signal and amplifier.
00:31:06.559 -->
00:31:07.119Yeah, yeah.
00:31:07.119 -->
00:31:07.680Yeah, yeah.
00:31:07.920 -->
00:31:09.200Trying to figure out which one you are.
00:31:09.359 -->
00:31:09.599Yeah.
00:31:09.599 -->
00:31:10.000Yeah.
00:31:10.000 -->
00:31:10.559Exactly.
00:31:10.559 -->
00:31:10.960Yeah.
00:31:10.960 -->
00:31:11.440Yeah.
00:31:12.079 -->
00:31:18.880Let's just try and give people listening a little bit of a takeaway on what they can do in those heightened moments.
00:31:18.880 -->
00:31:30.960Because we can compare boxing to having an awkward conversation with your partner, your boss, your friend, and you get those elevated highs, and then you've got to breathe through it and calm down.
00:31:30.960 -->
00:31:35.440It's a lot harder when somebody's sitting right in front of you and you still got to continue the conversation.
00:31:35.440 -->
00:31:44.319But is there anything that people can do breathing-wise or meditation just in those moments that will bring them back and help them control those emotions?
00:31:44.720 -->
00:31:46.960Yeah, there's there's so many tools and modalities.
00:31:46.960 -->
00:31:58.720Of course, like every time someone comes to a session with me, you know, I don't run as many, I don't barely run any sessions anymore, but I'm at the point now where you know there's there's basics and there's there's full-on sessions as well.
00:31:58.720 -->
00:32:05.359But the calmest state that you can possibly get to where you're regulating your nervous system is by breathing slower, right?
00:32:05.359 -->
00:32:07.599That's sounds so obvious, but it is.
00:32:07.599 -->
00:32:10.480If you can breathe through the nose, even better.
00:32:10.480 -->
00:32:16.079If you can breathe in the nose for four and out of the mouth lightly for six or eight, even better.
00:32:16.079 -->
00:32:19.119So the longer you exhale, the better.
00:32:19.119 -->
00:32:24.720The more calm you're gonna be, the more regulated you're gonna be, and that becomes a natural state, right?
00:32:24.720 -->
00:32:28.880And we're meant to be breathing about six times a minute at a healthy state.
00:32:28.880 -->
00:32:33.920Most people are way above that, yeah, and most people breathe through their mouth.
00:32:33.920 -->
00:32:43.759And that's the funniest thing about it is that if we can learn to breathe through the nose, and if we can learn to bring ourselves back to you know, around six a minute, then that's great.
00:32:43.759 -->
00:32:47.680You're gonna be fitter, you're gonna be healthier, you're gonna be calmer in the way that you show up.
00:32:47.680 -->
00:32:57.599But to practice that in the nose, out of the mouth for six lightly per slips, that's the easiest sort of stepping stone to get there, and that's a practice thing too.
00:32:57.599 -->
00:33:10.559So, you know, like you might think your ten minutes of breath work a day isn't doing anything because you're not feeling any different, but your breath is changing because when you practice it, you then use it in your life.
00:33:10.559 -->
00:33:16.160The same way if you lift weights in the gym for an hour a week, uh an hour a day, sorry, you're gonna get stronger.
00:33:16.160 -->
00:33:20.720So then when you carry the groceries, you're gonna be able to walk with those groceries a lot easier, aren't you?
00:33:20.720 -->
00:33:24.720Or you're gonna be able to pick up that thing over there that's you know a normal life task.
00:33:24.720 -->
00:33:25.839Same with your breath.
00:33:25.839 -->
00:33:30.720You're gonna be able to breathe better, you're gonna be able to move better, operate better, but you may not be conscious of it.
00:33:30.720 -->
00:33:32.799It's still there, it's still happening.
00:33:32.799 -->
00:33:35.119So, yeah, that's probably the best way.
00:33:35.599 -->
00:33:36.079Yeah.
00:33:36.079 -->
00:33:39.920Uh and let's see it there, because like I said, it's so easy.
00:33:39.920 -->
00:33:41.680But people just overlook it.
00:33:41.680 -->
00:33:46.640So just being conscious of the breath, that's right, it can just make a big difference.
00:33:46.880 -->
00:33:52.400Yeah, and and it's not just on people learning, it's on people teaching as well.
00:33:52.400 -->
00:34:10.639Because a lot of people are out there saying, you know, I've run the transformational sessions and the heavy, long three-hour ones and everything like that, you know, holotropic breathing, whatever it is, and that's another level, and that's something you can do, and that's a tool you can use to help people step deeper into themselves, but it's not the answer to everyday life.
00:34:10.639 -->
00:34:16.159And people are trying to push this down everyone's throat of you know, you're gonna have a breakthrough, you're gonna have this, you're gonna have that.
00:34:16.159 -->
00:34:18.800It's like you're not necessarily going to have that.
00:34:18.800 -->
00:34:20.159That's not the point.
00:34:20.159 -->
00:34:24.960The point is to get your first base and your home base right first before you step into that stuff.
00:34:24.960 -->
00:34:32.719Yes, it's great to to do, it's great to experience, it's you know, it's really good, but not everyone needs that and not everyone's ready for it.
00:34:32.719 -->
00:34:36.079They're great tools, but it doesn't mean it needs to be used.
00:34:36.639 -->
00:34:48.559Yeah, that you literally, I had a question there about like what people should be focusing on because, like you said, there's so many people out there now doing breathwork classes, this type, this type, this type, and it's overwhelming.
00:34:48.559 -->
00:34:49.920So yeah, yeah.
00:34:50.559 -->
00:34:52.000Look, look to the basics, yeah.
00:34:52.000 -->
00:35:09.519Like basics work for everything, and if you can learn the basics, and yes, you know, over information isn't great, doesn't help us find the basics because there's 20 different basics, but if you can find something that that works and that that is just the stepping stone to get to the next level, then that's what you use.
00:35:09.519 -->
00:35:18.559Like I do, you know, if I'm going through my day and I have a spare 10 minutes, I'll just chuck a breath work on and I'll do it.
00:35:18.559 -->
00:35:22.159And that makes me feel myself again, yeah.
00:35:22.159 -->
00:35:30.559And it doesn't take much, like I don't have to sit there for an hour and like even meditate and not breathe, like and just like think about my mind.
00:35:30.559 -->
00:35:31.519Like, that's not the goal.
00:35:31.519 -->
00:35:35.840The goal is to bring yourself back to that neutral state we spoke about.
00:35:36.079 -->
00:35:41.440Yeah, it just even just that six bit breaths per minute.
00:35:41.440 -->
00:35:42.320Yeah, yeah.
00:35:42.320 -->
00:35:43.840For me, that's a big takeaway.
00:35:43.840 -->
00:35:50.800And like I obviously I'll try and breathe slow all the time, but just that six bit per minute, simple, basic.
00:35:51.199 -->
00:35:51.519Exactly.
00:35:51.519 -->
00:35:52.880Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:53.920 -->
00:35:55.360One million minds mission.
00:35:56.239 -->
00:35:56.719Talk about it.
00:35:56.719 -->
00:35:58.559This is this is where we get big, yeah.
00:35:58.559 -->
00:35:59.039Yeah.
00:35:59.039 -->
00:36:18.320So I guess obviously I've spoken about the journey a little bit, um but I think for me, my main goal my entire life has been to help people, and that sounds so cliche, but it has, and so much that I almost put everyone else above myself over time.
00:36:18.320 -->
00:36:24.719But I've got to the point in my life now where I'm starting to feel grounded, I'm starting to feel like everything's clicking into place.
00:36:24.719 -->
00:36:30.079And about it was nearly three years ago now, I had this down.
00:36:30.079 -->
00:36:31.519I call them downloads.
00:36:31.519 -->
00:36:33.440A lot of people speak about downloading.
00:36:33.440 -->
00:36:40.079Um, but yeah, I had a download come through that it spoke to me and said, Let's do something big.
00:36:40.079 -->
00:36:46.079And it was to break a world record for the largest what what was at the time?
00:36:46.079 -->
00:36:48.400It was the largest meditation in history.
00:36:48.400 -->
00:36:50.719I was like, that sounds cool, let's do it.
00:36:50.719 -->
00:37:03.760So I started like chipping away at how I was going to bring that to life, and I came up with some concepts and ideas, and you know that that changed, it started to change over time into all right, how do I meet the world with this?
00:37:03.760 -->
00:37:10.719Because not everyone's, as we just spoke about, not everyone's open to, ready to, or even needs meditation.
00:37:10.719 -->
00:37:14.400So, how do we make this more of a package thing?
00:37:14.400 -->
00:37:19.199So I got to the point where I thought, hey, everyone has mental health.
00:37:19.199 -->
00:37:23.760Why don't we break a world record for the largest mental health gathering in history?
00:37:23.760 -->
00:37:26.159Let's do it.
00:37:26.159 -->
00:37:30.000So we started, I started chipping away at how I could make that make that possible.
00:37:30.000 -->
00:37:35.119And it's funny, like the creation process of something like this isn't what people think it is.
00:37:35.119 -->
00:37:38.800It's not you sitting with a notepad, like scribbling down all the things that you want to create.
00:37:38.800 -->
00:37:41.360Literally, I'll be laying in bed at 3 a.m.
00:37:41.360 -->
00:37:43.760And all these thoughts will come into my mind.
00:37:43.760 -->
00:37:47.760I can't sleep because I'm trying to, I'm so certain that I'm gonna do this.
00:37:47.760 -->
00:37:51.519And this is three years ago before I'd even like dabbled in the process.
00:37:51.519 -->
00:37:57.679And I was so certain that like I was stressed at night thinking about how I'm gonna bring this to life.
00:37:57.679 -->
00:38:02.800And I'd I'd wake up and I'd I'd be on my on my phone or whatever, just taking down notes.
00:38:02.800 -->
00:38:12.880And over time, those notes turn into concepts, and over time those concepts turn into structure and systems, and now at the point now when when we we're gonna launch it, right?
00:38:12.880 -->
00:38:16.559And it's the funniest thing when you when you look back at it.
00:38:16.559 -->
00:38:21.039It's now at the point where we're we're looking to fill stadiums around the world for mental health.
00:38:21.039 -->
00:38:33.440That's what that's what it is, and that sounds so simple as a concept, but it comes from hundreds of different concepts before that that create the end goal of let's fill stadiums around the world for mental health.
00:38:33.440 -->
00:38:35.119It's a funny one as well.
00:38:35.119 -->
00:38:44.960I I did miss a story, and there's a guy that I've worked with, I've worked with a lot of clients, you know, high-level performance level, performance level um lead athletes, everything.
00:38:44.960 -->
00:38:50.559But I've worked with one guy who's the dad of one of my really good friends growing up.
00:38:50.559 -->
00:38:52.239His name's Mick, Mick Marshall.
00:38:52.239 -->
00:38:53.920Look him up if if you get a chance.
00:38:53.920 -->
00:39:05.920But he essentially was working on the wind mines or the windmills, and he he fell off a wind turbine and he broke all or fractured all his vertebrae, was told he was never going to walk again.
00:39:05.920 -->
00:39:10.800So essentially, what happened is he was already a runner.
00:39:10.800 -->
00:39:16.239And Mick being the guy he is, said, No, we're doing it, we're walking again.
00:39:16.239 -->
00:39:28.400So, pretty much he hired a pain specialist, he hired a nutritionist, he hired me as a breathwork coach, as an NLP sort of practitioner, as well, as a few other things as well in between that.
00:39:28.400 -->
00:39:34.480And we had all these protocols that we created, and we got him back to back to walking.
00:39:34.480 -->
00:39:43.840You know, I was I was there all the time at Mick's house, and we, you know, I'd stay at his and um I'd I'd just do it with him more so as as a support.
00:39:43.840 -->
00:39:54.239And over time we got to the point, yeah, where as I said, he was walking again, and we got to the point where he decided he wanted to run a marathon on crutches and break a world record for the fastest marathon on crutches.
00:39:54.239 -->
00:39:56.320So I was his bag man.
00:39:56.320 -->
00:40:04.800So he had all this gear that he had to carry in the back that would like help get him to a heightened state and get him through the the challenges that would happen throughout the race.
00:40:04.800 -->
00:40:09.599So I was running this marathon with this big backpack, and we got to the point where yeah, he did it.
00:40:09.599 -->
00:40:16.480He did the Melbourne marathon, he he able he was able to pull it off, and from there that that took on so many leaps and bounds.
00:40:16.480 -->
00:40:20.639We we ended up doing one of the ultras at Mount Buller, oh, which was insane.
00:40:20.639 -->
00:40:21.519Fire out, yeah.
00:40:21.519 -->
00:40:23.760Um, Mount Buffalo, it was actually, yeah.
00:40:23.760 -->
00:40:24.880So that was insane.
00:40:24.880 -->
00:40:26.960We we did 60k, I think it was.
00:40:26.960 -->
00:40:30.239Yeah, and that's not an easy it's not easy for anyone.
00:40:30.239 -->
00:40:34.079No, that there's hills that are like almost your rock climbing up these hills.
00:40:34.079 -->
00:40:39.760He did the whole thing on crutches, insanity, and now he's off in Switzerland doing doing the world ones, but I couldn't make it.
00:40:39.760 -->
00:40:41.760But yeah, it's it's insanity.
00:40:41.760 -->
00:40:49.679So to to speak about that, like that's there's so many people in my life, that's one example, that are an inspiration for what I'm doing.
00:40:49.679 -->
00:40:56.320And that's again drawing back to that in hindsight, the people around me are the inspiration for what I'm creating.
00:40:56.320 -->
00:40:57.599So that's where it stems from.
00:40:57.599 -->
00:41:08.639Yeah, it stems from all the inner work that I've done within myself, but more importantly, the work that people around me do and who they are and what they've been able to build, and I've been part of a lot of that.
00:41:08.639 -->
00:41:16.800And you know, like I think it's time to bring something to the surface that that I can show that I've done and I know this is it.
00:41:16.800 -->
00:41:21.280And yeah, as I said, it's it's it's gonna be it's gonna be massive.
00:41:21.280 -->
00:41:26.000We want to fill stadiums all around the world for mental health, starting with hopefully the MCG.
00:41:26.960 -->
00:41:36.239If you care about your health, wellness, and you want to live a long, healthy, happy life, then you're eventually gonna come across red light therapy.
00:41:36.239 -->
00:41:40.800It is a massive trend at the moment, and there is a lot of information out there.
00:41:40.800 -->
00:41:50.880And before you go taking some YouTuber, podcaster, or influencer's advice on whether it actually works or if it's gonna benefit you, there are three things you need to know.
00:41:50.880 -->
00:41:54.320First, you need to do your own research.
00:41:54.320 -->
00:42:12.639But before you start Googling red light therapy and whatever you're trying to use it for, whether it's recovery, pain reduction, beauty, or fat loss, make sure you use the word photobiomodulation because that's what's actually happening when you're using the red light therapy on your skin or close to.
00:42:12.639 -->
00:42:17.760Second is all about the specs of the device that you are looking at.
00:42:17.760 -->
00:42:23.199Make sure the wavelength of the red light therapy device matches what you are using it for.
00:42:23.199 -->
00:42:28.800As you've just seen in your research, the wavelengths affect your body in different ways.
00:42:28.800 -->
00:42:33.920So if you're using it for beauty, it's gonna be a different wavelength for muscle recovery or fat loss.
00:42:33.920 -->
00:42:39.519Also, while we're on specs, double check the distance that the red light therapy device goes from your body.
00:42:39.519 -->
00:42:44.559Some devices have a set distance from the body part that it needs to sit at.
00:42:44.559 -->
00:42:51.039And if it's too far away, you're just basically holding a red light near your body and you're not gonna get any of the benefits.
00:42:51.039 -->
00:43:00.239But as you've seen in the research you've just done, most of the researchers use a device that will actually sit on the skin because you can't stuff that up.
00:43:00.239 -->
00:43:09.119And third, like anything to do with your overall health, wellness, and longevity, consistency is the key to you getting results.
00:43:09.119 -->
00:43:16.400So make sure that you have consistent exposure to your red light therapy device so it maximizes your results.
00:43:16.400 -->
00:43:20.400And that is why I'm such a big fan of the Lumiflex products.
00:43:20.400 -->
00:43:21.760They tick all the boxes.
00:43:21.760 -->
00:43:27.199It is very easy to be consistent with your red light therapy when you have one of these products.
00:43:27.199 -->
00:43:40.000Unlike other devices that still work, but when you when it's a big panel and you have to spend 20 minutes in the morning, 20 minutes in the evening sitting in front of them, it's there's a lot of resistance there and it takes up a lot of time.
00:43:40.000 -->
00:43:44.480These little silicon panels go with me everywhere.
00:43:44.480 -->
00:43:47.760They go on me everywhere, and there's no excuse not to do it.
00:43:47.760 -->
00:43:51.119When I'm sitting here working, I can be getting red light therapy device.
00:43:51.119 -->
00:43:54.000When I'm in the gym with clients, I've got it on me somewhere.
00:43:54.000 -->
00:43:57.599So I'm always getting some sort of red light therapy throughout the day.
00:43:57.599 -->
00:44:04.559And I know the specs on These Lumiflex products are what they say they are because they are FDA cleared.
00:44:04.559 -->
00:44:10.559And you don't need to go out and buy a bunch of different red light therapy devices that have different wavelengths.
00:44:10.559 -->
00:44:18.239All the Lumiflex products have a wide range of wavelengths that you can control with your phone.
00:44:18.239 -->
00:44:26.880So no matter what I'm trying to do, I can use my phone to set the wavelength, set the duration, and make sure that I'm getting the most out of this device.
00:44:26.880 -->
00:44:35.599So after you have done all your research on red light therapy and the devices, I'd strongly recommend you check out the Lumaflex products.
00:44:35.599 -->
00:44:41.920And when you're ready to purchase, use the code TrueForm at checkout and you'll get 10% off.
00:44:41.920 -->
00:44:45.840Again, that is true form at checkout to get 10% off.
00:44:45.840 -->
00:44:47.360I guarantee you will.
00:44:47.360 -->
00:44:47.599Yeah.
00:44:47.599 -->
00:44:52.400And I can't wait to be in the stadium watching and being there and being a part of it.
00:44:52.400 -->
00:44:56.719Like you said, you've had all these people, like your mother, good example.
00:44:56.719 -->
00:45:00.400Like doing what people said you can't do, just went and did it.
00:45:00.400 -->
00:45:02.800Like me, like crazy.
00:45:02.800 -->
00:45:06.000And using that to then understand yourself.
00:45:06.000 -->
00:45:09.360Like you said, that self-understanding is a big missing key for a lot of people.
00:45:09.360 -->
00:45:11.679So you put in a lot of hard work.
00:45:11.679 -->
00:45:18.159Like you said, maybe you realize that didn't realize at the time, but you realize now, which is absolutely epic.
00:45:18.639 -->
00:45:19.840And it's unseen as well.
00:45:19.840 -->
00:45:21.360Like people don't see that.
00:45:21.360 -->
00:45:27.119Like they just think a lot of people see you there and they're like, Oh, how are you running this event or how are you doing this or that?
00:45:27.119 -->
00:45:28.639It's like, well, you just don't know.
00:45:28.639 -->
00:45:33.280And there's there's like a million different stories that have made that happen.
00:45:33.280 -->
00:45:36.639But it's like you just don't know where someone's come from, what they've done.
00:45:36.639 -->
00:45:50.559And the funny thing about me is people often think because I'm a very physical frame, they'll they'll think I'm not into this stuff or whatever it is, because it's the generic, you know, maybe I'm a footy player, maybe I'm this, maybe I'm that, or whatever.
00:45:50.559 -->
00:45:54.719But it's like when they have a conversation with me, they're like, Oh, interesting.
00:45:54.719 -->
00:45:58.800So you just don't know who people are at the at the true essence.
00:45:59.039 -->
00:45:59.360Yeah.
00:45:59.360 -->
00:46:09.840And that just goes back to that coaching piece or that leader piece of just being able to control your emotions and not going into that conversation with judgment or that situation with judgment and seeing what happens.
00:46:10.159 -->
00:46:10.639100%.
00:46:10.639 -->
00:46:11.679100%.
00:46:12.239 -->
00:46:15.920Talk about the event you got coming up with is it Breathe Breathe Melbourne?
00:46:16.079 -->
00:46:16.800Yeah, Breathe Melbourne.
00:46:16.800 -->
00:46:17.280Yeah.
00:46:17.280 -->
00:46:19.360So that's another one we've kind of got on the go.
00:46:19.360 -->
00:46:23.840Breathe, Breathe Melbourne, which is now Breathe Festivals as of recent.
00:46:23.840 -->
00:46:28.159Uh, the reason we're doing that is because we're scaling state by state and internationally.
00:46:28.159 -->
00:46:34.239Um, recently looked at a place in Bali, which is really cool, and been talking to a few people here and there in a few countries.
00:46:34.239 -->
00:46:35.440So that that's to come.
00:46:35.440 -->
00:46:52.719But for now, uh, where we're at is I'll I'll just loop back around to the point where when I started this mission for the One Million Minds campaign, I had no idea where to start because 100,000 people is a lot of people, right?
00:46:52.719 -->
00:46:56.639So it kind of came to the point where I needed to start something.
00:46:56.639 -->
00:47:04.639So I just went for it and started doing all these mini pop-up events and I started building them, and that's that's where it started to take leaps and bounds.
00:47:04.639 -->
00:47:18.880And I got to the point where I wanted to start a wellness festival, and I knew that the concept of this is that building a wellness festival that gives you numbers, that gives you momentum, but it's also a practice for what you want to do later on, right?
00:47:18.880 -->
00:47:23.280So that that's pretty much where Breathe Melbourne came from, and it's a good way to practice that.
00:47:23.280 -->
00:47:31.119Yeah, it's a good way to practice, and people think, you know, people look at it like that's what I want to do in general, but it's like, well, that's my like it's my warm-up.
00:47:31.119 -->
00:47:36.239Like not to sound egotistical, but that's yeah, it just kind of happened that way.
00:47:36.239 -->
00:47:45.199And now we're at the point where, yeah, we're running these festivals, and um, on October 4th, we're trying to fill it with fill the timber yard in Port Melbourne with a thousand people.
00:47:45.199 -->
00:47:48.960Uh, so the the day looks like it's full of ice baths, saunas.
00:47:48.960 -->
00:47:59.119Uh we've got DJs, breath work, healthy food trucks, sound healing, pretty much everything you can think of that's wellness-based, but also like party and fun based.
00:47:59.119 -->
00:48:00.880And yeah, we're gonna fill the timber yard.
00:48:00.880 -->
00:48:02.559You kind of choose your own adventure on the day.
00:48:02.559 -->
00:48:10.079You can do whatever you want, jump between the ice bath, sauna, jump inside to the main stage, yeah, have a boogie, whatever it is that kind of serves your fancy.
00:48:10.079 -->
00:48:12.800But yeah, that that's kind of how we got to that.
00:48:12.800 -->
00:48:14.320We, you know, we wanted to start it.
00:48:14.320 -->
00:48:24.719We we launched our first event earlier in the year uh in Katani Gardens, where we ran it was just over 300 people, which was really awesome.
00:48:24.719 -->
00:48:29.360Um, but that was that was off so much work with those mini pop-up events.
00:48:29.360 -->
00:48:38.480And you know, we did maybe seven or eight of them, uh, where we got, you know, up to a hundred people, but you know, less than that as well.
00:48:38.480 -->
00:48:40.320One of them we had like 12.
00:48:40.320 -->
00:48:46.079It just like, yeah, it's it's a slow process, but you know that it's all coming to build something bigger.
00:48:46.079 -->
00:48:59.199And at the same time, I've been running workshops for for years, and you know, some of them again, I might have five, some of them I have close to a hundred, and I've been able to build a database off that.
00:48:59.199 -->
00:49:09.840And being able to bring all of that together at the time I didn't know what it was leading to, but I knew that I just had to keep going and wasn't always easy, and you know, I wasn't always earning money from it.
00:49:09.840 -->
00:49:13.280More importantly, that's what people get stuck on is you've got to earn money doing this thing.
00:49:13.280 -->
00:49:16.960But it's like, no, I I know exactly what I'm doing, I know exactly where I'm going.
00:49:16.960 -->
00:49:23.519Forming that to a point where there's this massive database, that's how you get 350 people, that's how you get a thousand people.
00:49:23.519 -->
00:49:28.639It's not from just clicking your fingers and it starts to come to life.
00:49:28.639 -->
00:49:32.000It's it's a lot of things that you know people might not think about.
00:49:32.000 -->
00:49:38.800But if you've got the vision and you know that there's steps that aren't always clear, but you take them anyway, you you're gonna get to that point.
00:49:38.800 -->
00:49:43.360So, yeah, as I said, October 4th, if if you're around, get there.
00:49:43.360 -->
00:49:45.440There's some there's some tickets still there.
00:49:45.440 -->
00:49:46.960So we're trying to feel that.
00:49:46.960 -->
00:49:52.559And from there, hopefully that's a more regular thing, and we can scale it state by state and then then internationally.
00:49:52.559 -->
00:50:00.639And I I talk about it the way we sort of promote it is that this wants to be the tomorrowland or coach all of wellness.
00:50:00.639 -->
00:50:01.679That's what we want to do.
00:50:01.679 -->
00:50:02.880I've seen that in your post.
00:50:03.039 -->
00:50:03.840I was like, yeah, I love that.
00:50:04.000 -->
00:50:06.159Yeah, we want to do that, and that's where we want to get to.
00:50:06.159 -->
00:50:14.159And if we can get there, then you know, like I don't see myself being the sole running party of of breathe festivals.
00:50:14.159 -->
00:50:15.599Like, this is a team thing.
00:50:15.599 -->
00:50:22.719This is like if if you're out there and you want to be involved and you've got skills, like come and come and chat to me because like we're all building this.
00:50:22.719 -->
00:50:25.519This is as I said, it's a practice for what's to come.
00:50:25.519 -->
00:50:36.239And yeah, like I I don't care about what I get from it, I care about what we do and what we can achieve and what we can pull off, and in turn, same with one million minds.
00:50:36.239 -->
00:50:41.920And I've got my as I spoke earlier, I'm trying to do other things and other businesses and be part of that.
00:50:41.920 -->
00:50:49.199And you know, by helping people, you you make your own money and you make your own funds, and you do really well in life.
00:50:49.199 -->
00:50:50.000That's how it works.
00:50:50.000 -->
00:50:55.360If you bring people up and they're not going to be my main things, that'll be something that I'm a part of a team.
00:50:55.360 -->
00:50:58.079And if I'm part of a team, we do well.
00:50:58.079 -->
00:50:59.840That's exactly how it works.
00:51:00.000 -->
00:51:16.400Yeah, I love the concept, and we'll I just want to get a few takeaways on how you've sort of you just breeze over a bunch of things that are very impressive, but like just seem easy and natural for you, but a lot of people struggle with.
00:51:16.400 -->
00:51:23.039But I'm excited for everything that's coming up because you're tying health, wellness, mindset into fun.
00:51:23.039 -->
00:51:26.000Yeah, I find even I can be guilty of this.
00:51:26.000 -->
00:51:33.199Sometimes it can be very, you've got to do this, this, and this, and you breathe in this way, exercise, eat, and it takes the fun out of it.
00:51:33.199 -->
00:51:33.679Yeah, yeah.
00:51:33.679 -->
00:51:37.519And when it's fun and enjoyable, people just want to do it more.
00:51:37.519 -->
00:51:38.000100%.
00:51:38.000 -->
00:51:41.599And when they see other people doing it and they're missing out, they want to join it.
00:51:41.840 -->
00:51:42.559They want to do it too.
00:51:42.559 -->
00:51:43.119Yeah, yeah.
00:51:43.280 -->
00:51:44.639So, yeah, I'm excited for that.
00:51:44.639 -->
00:51:51.599And I think how you've set it up, how it all looks, and the vibe is just gonna help it just skyrocket to like stadiums.
00:51:51.599 -->
00:51:52.880I appreciate it.
00:51:52.880 -->
00:51:57.440Like you said, like I guess we're going into a little bit more business-minded things.
00:51:57.440 -->
00:52:05.119Yeah, but maybe you could go back now, like advice you would have given to yourself when you were just sort of doing all these workshops, collecting data.
00:52:05.119 -->
00:52:11.440Like a lot of coaches out there, a lot of people listening, like they have this passion, they want to help people.
00:52:11.440 -->
00:52:13.599They don't know how, they don't know where to start.
00:52:13.599 -->
00:52:15.119What what should they start doing?
00:52:15.119 -->
00:52:18.000And along the way, what should they be thinking about?
00:52:19.280 -->
00:52:22.639It to me, that's the easiest answer in the world.
00:52:22.639 -->
00:52:25.840The reason I say that is because you've got to back yourself.
00:52:25.840 -->
00:52:29.760Like you cannot care what anyone thinks.
00:52:29.760 -->
00:52:34.400You take opinions on board, but if you know, you know.
00:52:34.400 -->
00:52:37.039And that is so important.
00:52:37.039 -->
00:52:40.480Because if you do not back yourself, no one will.
00:52:40.480 -->
00:52:50.239They might say they are, but they're not, and they may believe in you, but when something goes wrong, they don't want to see you go through pain.
00:52:50.239 -->
00:53:01.519You need to believe in you more than anything, and if you just keep going, if you just keep pushing, and you just keep trusting, you'll get there, no matter what.
00:53:01.519 -->
00:53:03.440And that's the thing that I'd say to myself.
00:53:03.440 -->
00:53:05.280I'd give myself a lot more advice.
00:53:05.280 -->
00:53:08.559There's so many structural things I'd talk about, but you know what?
00:53:08.559 -->
00:53:25.519I had it right the whole time because I knew it's you, I had this inner knowing within me that I could do it, and whether that was footy, whether that was you know, building what I'm building now, like whether that's you know, I have goals to have a family, to do really good things in that area too.
00:53:25.519 -->
00:53:35.840And it's like I know I know exactly where it's going, but I see it, I've seen it 10 years before I've even got there, but it's a vision and I'll make it happen.
00:53:37.920 -->
00:53:39.440How do you give yourself permission?
00:53:39.440 -->
00:53:47.599Like you just touched on like backing yourself 100%, and it's so hard for people to do because you said there's opinions everywhere.
00:53:47.599 -->
00:53:53.199People, oh, don't start that, and it usually comes from a place of love, like you said, they don't want to see you get hurt, yeah.
00:53:53.199 -->
00:54:07.679And it's hard for people to again, like it's their own mirror, like their own insecurities projecting onto you, and it's hard to see that, but like it's just like all along the way, you've just given yourself permission to just go and get it done.
00:54:07.679 -->
00:54:10.800Like, what would you say to somebody?
00:54:10.800 -->
00:54:13.119Like, I know you say just back yourself, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:13.119 -->
00:54:25.840Like it's hard because I know you've had the journey that you've had, yeah, and you do a lot of that internal work, so when you've got that download, yeah, like it is in your head and it keeps you up at 3 a.m.
00:54:25.840 -->
00:54:27.760Yeah, and it's all you think about.
00:54:27.760 -->
00:54:41.760And that's also it's a great place to be, but it's also a curse because I know what that's like, and like when somebody's talking to you and you're trying to be present with somebody and all you're thinking about is this thing, like how can I get that and that and that and it's hard, it's very hard.
00:54:41.760 -->
00:54:45.360Yeah, so I let's I'll I'll wrap up.
00:54:45.360 -->
00:54:46.559We've got a few more minutes.
00:54:46.559 -->
00:54:49.039I'll ask you a question that I ask most podcast guests.
00:54:49.039 -->
00:54:59.920I like if you could get every single person to do one thing every single day, wake up, but it has to be a practical thing, not necessarily sit there and think about something, like they actually have to physically do something every single day.
00:54:59.920 -->
00:55:01.039Every single person, yeah.
00:55:01.039 -->
00:55:02.239What would they do?
00:55:03.440 -->
00:55:04.960That's a really tough question.
00:55:04.960 -->
00:55:17.039I think the physical I'm gonna start a little bit left afield with my answer, and we're gonna get to the answer together of what we physically do because that's tough.
00:55:17.039 -->
00:55:21.840But what I would say to everyone to do is to love more.
00:55:22.800 -->
00:55:23.199Yeah.
00:55:23.199 -->
00:55:25.360What what's what's love?
00:55:26.239 -->
00:55:40.480Love is showing up in life with an open heart, and we see so many people in society, men and women, but I'd say even men that don't show up with an open heart.
00:55:40.480 -->
00:55:44.639And if we can start to do that, we start to see the world in a different way.
00:55:44.639 -->
00:55:49.679If you can look at everything, I I heard this, I heard this on a podcast once.
00:55:49.679 -->
00:55:57.360If you can look at everything with love, like if you look at that tree with love, if you look at that door with love, like you're gonna be pretty happy.
00:55:57.360 -->
00:55:59.360And it sounds so silly.
00:55:59.360 -->
00:56:10.800Like if you if you if you're listening and you can try it right now, look at something, and it may feel ridiculous, but if you look at it and you say, I love that, you'll start smiling if you actually put enough feeling into it.
00:56:10.800 -->
00:56:17.679So if you can look at everything with love and if you can walk in life with an open heart, I think that's the most important thing.
00:56:17.679 -->
00:56:23.519And you know, we can be as tough as we want, like we can do whatever we want, and we will still get through life.
00:56:23.519 -->
00:56:33.679And you know, like I love being tough, I love getting in the gym, I love you know getting the pads on, whatever it is, like it's fun, but at the same time, like can you love?
00:56:33.679 -->
00:56:41.519Because if you can't, you've got no substance, you're actually just a walking thing of meat at the end of the day.
00:56:41.519 -->
00:56:44.239So it's like well, where where can we find that love?
00:56:44.239 -->
00:56:46.719It's everywhere, you just need to find it.
00:56:47.440 -->
00:56:50.880Yeah, well, Aiden, we'll leave it there.
00:56:50.880 -->
00:56:51.679Appreciate that.
00:56:51.679 -->
00:56:53.360That's the best thing to end on.
00:56:53.360 -->
00:56:54.880Just love more.
00:56:54.880 -->
00:56:56.880Awesome, Jack.
00:56:56.880 -->
00:56:59.199I'm I'm keen to get you back on.
00:56:59.199 -->
00:57:04.719Yeah, let's do it a couple of months after the what where is it?
00:57:04.719 -->
00:57:06.000The Timby Yard.
00:57:06.000 -->
00:57:06.639Timbyard.
00:57:06.880 -->
00:57:07.440October 4.
00:57:07.599 -->
00:57:09.199Yeah, I keep thinking of Timberland, but Timby Art.
00:57:09.199 -->
00:57:10.400Timbyard.
00:57:10.400 -->
00:57:11.519Uh we'll be there.
00:57:11.519 -->
00:57:15.760I'll link everything in the show notes so people can find you what you're doing and that event.
00:57:15.760 -->
00:57:21.760If there's if there's still tickets left by the time this episode drops, it'll probably drop maybe two weeks beforehand.
00:57:21.760 -->
00:57:23.920So it'll be cool to see everybody there.
00:57:23.920 -->
00:57:25.199I'm keen to be a part of it.
00:57:25.360 -->
00:57:25.679Awesome.
00:57:25.679 -->
00:57:26.559Yeah, get there, guys.
00:57:26.559 -->
00:57:27.679It's it's gonna be a great day.
00:57:27.679 -->
00:57:28.960Hayden, appreciate your time.
00:57:28.960 -->
00:57:29.679Awesome, Jacko.
00:57:29.679 -->
00:57:30.320Thanks, mate.
00:57:30.320 -->
00:57:30.880Thanks for having me.
00:57:30.880 -->
00:57:32.159A few weeks' time, we'll do it again.
00:57:32.159 -->
00:57:32.639100%.
00:57:32.639 -->
00:57:34.159Awesome, thanks, brother.
00:57:34.639 -->
00:57:35.760What is up?
00:57:35.760 -->
00:57:39.280Thank you for being here at the end of the episode.
00:57:39.280 -->
00:57:43.280Obviously, you've enjoyed it and it's helped you find your true form.
00:57:43.280 -->
00:57:47.679I'd appreciate it if you could interact with this episode however you can.
00:57:47.679 -->
00:57:56.239Wherever you're listening or watching, there'll be a way where you can leave a comment, like, subscribe, five star review however you can.
00:57:56.239 -->
00:58:01.360It just helps this episode reach more people and it'll help them find their true form as well.
00:58:01.360 -->
00:58:05.519I know they'll appreciate that you've done it, and I appreciate you doing it as well.
00:58:05.519 -->
00:58:09.039And I'll see you in the next episode.
