Living Authentically

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Welcome to Break Free and Trust, a redesign for living.
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Join me, Chris.
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And me, Jacqueline, for real conversations about life, death, and
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everything in between.
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Learn to connect with your intrinsic power to grow and heal.
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How to laugh at your own humanness and not take
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life too seriously.
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Through healthy conversations between the feminine and masculine, you learn
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how to harness the power of relationship and the mirror
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to befriend your shadow and to trust that any obstacle
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that gets in your way is there to help you grow.
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Together, working at a practical level, you learn to trust
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that everything that is happening is for you, your growth
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and ultimate freedom.
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Our circumstances don't matter. It's only how we relate to
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them that does.
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Get ready to befriend the wisdom of your body and
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the power of your mind.
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Break free and trust starts now.
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And welcome to Break Free and Trust, a redesign for living.
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I'm Chris.
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And I'm Jacqueline.
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I'm going to start us off with a quote today
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from Thomas Merton. The man who sweats under his mask,
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whose role makes him itch with discomfort, who hates the
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division in himself, is already beginning to be free. Well,
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there's no instruction manual for this one. Nobody owns the
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objective truth on how to live authentically. And we want
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to say that before we begin. This is a subject
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that has Most often we carried in parables, stories, and
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old myths and pointed out and not pinned down. So
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Jacqueline and I are not here to hand you a definition.
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We only know what living authentically has come to mean
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to each of us. And to be honest, even the
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two of us relate differently to it. And that difference
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is part of what we want to explore together today.
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And I think we also want to spend some time
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on what authenticity is not. Somewhere along the way, I
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got confused with saying whatever we feel, every desire, every opinion,
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every passing compulsion. and calling it speaking my truth. I
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think we would gently suggest that this is not the
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authentic self at all, but it's just conditioning on full display.
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I'll call it handing the eagle a microphone, which leads
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to a real question, and the one we're going to
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circle back to. Who is the authentic self underneath all that?
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What does living authentically actually mean? And why does it
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come to us through stories, myths, rather than just an instruction?
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And why is speaking your truth so often the opposite
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of authenticity? And who is the self? Who is this self?
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I should say, waiting underneath the conditioning. So all this
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and more in the next hour. And I'm going to
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start off with a question to you, Jacqueline. Since we
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said that there's no one right answer here, I want
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to start with yours. What does living authentically actually mean
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to you?
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Man, I've had, what does grace mean to me? What
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was the last podcast? What did you ask me to define?
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I think, was it grace or something else?
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I think last time it was something else. Big questions.
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Yeah. I hope you say something smart that I can
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latch onto.
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It's a, it's a big question. And actually I have
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to just say first that even the word authentic and
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authenticity is like, it feels like nails on a chalkboard
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to me these days because it's a real, it's a
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phrase that we like to throw around and I'm not
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even sure that we even know what we're talking about
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when we throw it around. I think if I was
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not to give you a definition of authenticity, but I
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would start with, I'm going to start with a story
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and it's a really simple story. And those of you listening,
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I'm sure that you will be able to relate because it's,
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it's not a big story. It's just a simple story.
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A few days ago, I, was asked to go to
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an event. I really didn't want to go to the event.
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I had a ton of things that I really wanted
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to do that were important to me that needed to
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get done. But the idea of being a good friend,
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about showing up, about supporting, those voices were so loud
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in my head. that I ended up going to this
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event that I knew that I didn't really want to
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go to. And as I was there, I could almost
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feel like this hangover inside of you're not actually here
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because you want to be here. You're here because you
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are protecting an image of yourself. And in so doing,
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you're being the opposite of honest and real. And actually,
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in so doing, you're not serving anybody. And it was
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a nothing experience. It was a few hours of my time.
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But there was this real awareness inside of me that
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the idea of not going meant that I would shake
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up for myself the version of who I want to
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to be seen as or who I think I want
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to be rather than actually being the version of myself
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that I am, which was I just didn't want to
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be there. And I think that in there, there's a
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lot of different pieces that answer your question. Authenticity for me,
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it's funny I'm about to say this because it feels
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like this is where we always end up, is listening
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to my body. It's listening to the pull to go somewhere,
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and it's listening to the pull back of not being somewhere.
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It's listening to, yeah, I'm going to leave it there.
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And what I find more and more is that my
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ability to override my body, to perform, to perform and
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be the image that, forget about who everyone else wants
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me to be or who everyone else thinks I am.
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It's actually not about them at all. It's about me.
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I'm performing some version of a self that actually isn't authentic,
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but rather it's playing to a mask. It's playing to
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a whole bunch of conditioning that says, the good girl
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shows up. The good girl takes care of her friends.
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The good girl shows up and takes care of her kids.
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And yes, we do do all of those things as humans,
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but there's something deeper that's going on, which says, in
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this moment, my needs look different than what might look pretty.
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And actually, to honor that is to be true to myself.
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That's as close to an authentic answer as I can
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give in this moment.
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I want to ask you a question on that, because
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I was... Staying with that story of going to that event,
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could you have gone to that event and been your
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authentic self?
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I think I was. I was me at that event.
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I wasn't performing. I was me. But it goes deeper
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than that, which is that I was fulfilling the obligations
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of a persona that is actually no longer who I am.
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And that persona is I show up no matter what.
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The truth is I show up now most often because
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I want to be somewhere, not because of all of
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these other older stories around the obligations that I have
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around maintaining. I would say around maintaining a version of
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myself for me, right?
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Like, Maintaining an image, there's an image there that's being maintained.
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Yeah, but I think that we get lost a little
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bit thinking that we're maintaining an image for other people.
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I actually think that what happens and what blocks us
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from being really authentic is that we've created personas. We've
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created personas to protect ourselves from pain. We've created personas
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around our wounding. We've created personas for all kinds of reasons.
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And actually, if we're going to use the word being
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authentic or living authentically, we need to get what's under
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those personas to be able to live truly authentically. And
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so the image I was trying to portray was for me.
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Because if I disappointed me in being honest, what that
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would say is, well, maybe I don't show up for
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my friends no matter what. And how does that actually feel? Well,
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I can tell you it doesn't feel good. It actually
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feels pretty shitty. But in it, the honesty is the
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person that I am now is somebody who shows up
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for me. And that might sound super selfish to those
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of you listening. But I can tell you that when
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I live that way versus violating that truth, I show
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up and I'm fully available. Or I don't show up
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because I'm not truly available. And that's honest.
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I like to use the word selfish because while we're
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talking about the authentic self, by definition, living authentically is
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being selfish, but with a capital S. It's meeting that
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part that it's authentically how we choose to live. So
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in a can come across as selfish, but it has
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a very different connotation to it than going out and
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trying to polish the image that we want the world
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to see and bending over backwards and doing all these
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things to make that happen.
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So say more. What is the big S self? when
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you're defining that?
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Well, I guess we're working our way to what that is.
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And I think it's easier to start with, as you did,
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as I would think too, it's what it's not. And
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it's not the mask. It's not the conditioning. And I
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would describe it differently, but sort of the same as
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the authentic self is what is there in the absence
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of that conditioning. And so that authentic self is is
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a state of being that will act in a certain
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way that's not trying to maintain an image or respond
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to the conditioning that's in place on it by its society,
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its environment, or even yourself. Because we have this collective problem,
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and you've alluded to it, and I've talked about it
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many times, is nobody, we're not who we think we are.
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This image we have of ourself isn't real. And the
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image we have of others isn't real. And most of
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our lives are actually spent trying to maintain this image
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or change this image, which isn't real. It's just an illusion.
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And so what's beyond all that is the authentic self. Okay.
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So I'm going to challenge you here for a few minutes.
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Please.
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You have a natural tendency to go macro. And and
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to speak in the language of consciousness, which I appreciate
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in so many ways. But there's a place here where
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that conversation, the conversation that we're having, I think, gets
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lost when we're going searching for the big S self
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beyond all of the masks, beyond our conditioning. I want
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to really talk about what it means to live authentically
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in this world and how we show up for ourselves
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and for each other, inner interactions with ourselves and each other,
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rather than speaking about consciousness per se. We can go there.
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But I would love for us to have like feet
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on the earth conversation. Can you do that?
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Well, I thought that's what I was doing. So ask
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me a question that takes me there because from my perspective,
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that's what I thought I was doing. So ask me
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a question.
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Can you tell a story of a time where you
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were operating from the version of yourself that you would
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like the world to see versus the version of yourself
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that's truly who you are?
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Absolutely. The first 50 years of my life, I was operating.
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Go ahead.
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I mean like now in your everyday world. When you
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say yes, when you mean no, when you do something
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you don't actually want to do for the sake of
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maintaining an image, maintaining peace, maintaining harmony.
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I think for me the best... It's such a profound
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jumping off point in terms of a story for me,
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in terms of tapping into that authentic self. Like authentic
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self has a huge meaning to me because I became
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so aware of the conditioning at a particular time and
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then so aware of the self. And so a particular
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point in time to make it real in your language
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is like literally getting up and going to work every
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day to effectively like worried about making money I didn't need,
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worried about my title, worrying about coaching all these kids'
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sports and whatnot because I wanted to be seen a
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certain way in my community, saying yes to all sorts
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of stuff I didn't want to do, overextending myself in
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almost anything. That was me really living out not any
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authentic version of myself, but really trying to, hey, look
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at me. I am somebody. I'm enough. I'm important. I'm
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this really successful person, and I'm going to keep doing this.
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But inside, something was going completely haywire. I come to
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understand now that I was not living authentically at all.
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I was living out this character that I thought the
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world wanted. I was living out this character that was–
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helping me manage my own fears and belief systems. And
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when that character, when playing that character came to its
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end and that program or that conditioning failed and I
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tapped into what was underneath, it was a totally different
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set of values and totally different purpose. that emerged, that
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then I started tapping into and living from. So that's
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sort of my experience with what we're talking about here
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in terms of the mask that resides over an authentic self.
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It is more macro than I chose. I didn't go
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to this party, but I said no. To me, it
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is a macro event. It's not a day-to-day thing that
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I'm here and then I'm here. To me, it's much
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broader than that, if that makes sense.
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It does. But I think that authenticity, I understand what
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you're saying.
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But we always end up coming back to that macro event.
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these big events in our life that show us something
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really significant where something that we've built around ourselves gets
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torn down or falls apart. And we have to take
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a really good look in the mirror and ask ourselves
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who we are when the world around us where the
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structures that we've built around a persona around us come
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crashing down. And for you, that was a really big moment.
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For me, I've had a series of big moments. And
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then there are little moments every day where those masks
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or those ideas sort of pop forward. And they require
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a moment of breath, a moment of presence to ask
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the question, how do I choose to operate in this moment?
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Is it aligned with who I am and who I
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choose to be? Or is this coming from an old story?
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think that, yes, you had that big moment and it
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brought you into a huge amount of awareness. but those
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moments inevitably show up every day. And so that's kind
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of where I'm asking us to come into the everyday,
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because the everyday is where this really gets to be
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practiced consistently. And consistently being in, having the self-awareness to
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be able to ask the question on a consistent basis
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is what builds our capacity to live from that place
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more and more. and to actually recognize that every choice
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we make is a movement towards self, big ass self,
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or a movement away from that. And it doesn't mean
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that we can't find our way back, but I think
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that there's, yeah, it just, I think there's a really
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practical way to have this conversation that could give, our
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audience tools.
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Can we, how could we, how would we try to,
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because we're going to, we said it right in the
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intro of the show, we come at it from two
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different angles and actually relate to it differently. And here's
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what's coming up right now. And I thought this was
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going to be exciting. Let's try to, let's try to
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merge this macro with the micro, so to speak. I
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want to get to, I want to get to the
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day-to-day stuff too. I think, I think, I think that
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can be really useful for me. Why it's, it's important.
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I guess I have to go through the chain of
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the way my mind works and thinks about it. Like
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for me, and I don't know if this applies to
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anybody else. I really don't. I know it applies to me.
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I don't know. It's just my own subjective reality. But
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at first I had to acknowledge that we're conditioned. And
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I didn't know that. I didn't understand that. And then
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I had to accept that I'm conditioned. And that was hard.
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And then I had the courage and the willingness to
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actually look at what that conditioning was, right? Like Jung
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calls it making the unconscious conscious. And then I had
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to start engaging in a way of living or daily
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practices or the moment to moment, as you call it,
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to understand, hey, wait, is this my conditioning or is
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this actually my authentic self? And then in that process,
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in that day-to-day living from this place of, okay, I'm
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sort of aware of my conditioning here. It looks like this.
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I'm sort of aware of this authentic self that's starting
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to come alive. Now in these moments I face each
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and every day, which is it? And that's just the work.
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Like to me, that is the actual practice of life
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now is minute by minute, thought by thought. Which is it?
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In which direction am I going to choose? What do
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I this sort of idea of what do I do
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versus who do I want to be that arises continuously?
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And I think why I sort of I talk about
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it from that macro perspective at first is for me,
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that was only possible once I said, oh, this is
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what my conditioning looks like. I have a sense that
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this is what my authentic self is. I have a
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bit of a North Star here. Now I can start
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moving in that direction. I was unable to do that
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at all before this started coming into my awareness, if
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that makes sense. Like I was just, I was just,
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I was just moving on condition. And I, and I
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thought I was one of those people for sure that
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was grabbing the microphone and talking. I'm being authentic here
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when I'm just, I'm just spouting off from my conditioning,
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like a totally unaware.
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So break that down. What does it mean? to become
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aware of your conditioning. Yeah.
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It's like, it's, it's this examination of like, I'm going
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to really, really looking at myself or yourself, you know,
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how am I acting in the world? Like what, what
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are the, what are the things I tend to do? Like,
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what are my, what are my reactive natures? Um, What
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are the things I do? I'm really aware of my
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talk about what are some of the things I do
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in the shadows that maybe I've denied myself or I'm
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certainly trying to hide from other people's. Am I a
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control freak? Like, yes, that's that's a big one for me.
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I'm a people pleaser. Yeah. On my list in patience
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and tolerance. Like when I really started looking at it
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for me, there's a big list of things, you know.
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Lots of things, but maybe five really major things that
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once I started paying attention, you could see how these
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had been the dominant features in my life that I'd
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been denying or sort of hiding and, you know, recharacterized
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as other things. Like, oh, I'm just a good person
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doing things. No, I'm people pleasing because I want you
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to do something back for me. And when you don't,
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I'm going to make you pay for it. Like there
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is this whole persona that once I started looking at,
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I could see it. That awareness now gave me the
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ability to watch it in real time and start making
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a choice about do I want to act from that
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place or from another place that was sort of unknown
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territory at the time.
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So when you speak about conditioning and you speak about,
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let's just use the one around control as an example,
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what you're really speaking to is the learned behaviors that
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you have adopted over time. That you actually think are
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who you are, but in reality, they are behaviors that
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are protecting something that you're not willing to look at
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until you are. So what that actually is leading us
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to is in, you know, in the conversation that we
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would have, the conversation we're having out there is what
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are the wounds that I'm actually protecting and hiding from?
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That I've built this conditioning persona, whatever else you want
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to call it around.
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Yeah, exactly. I think that's right. And so going back
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to your story about, you know, going to that party, right?
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That's the, or the event or whatever it was. That's
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seeing the conditioning that got you there, recognizing, oh, I'm
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doing this because I want to be seen a certain way.
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And recognizing that's coming from this place of, Maybe it's
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not being enough or not worthy of love or whatever
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it could be. This awareness is what I'm talking about.
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Okay. And so if you're taking us from the macro
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to the micro, once we become aware of, you call
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it conditioning, I'll call it masks that we wear, what
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does that awareness create capacity for? How is that the
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jumping off point?
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I think that it becomes it becomes the awareness of
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choice now. So as you see the conditioning and you
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see I'm about to do this or my thought process
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is taking me here or this is where I'm going
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to your I feel it in my body that this
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if I'm not doing this, it feels uncomfortable because I'm
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going against my conditioning. It creates the opportunity to choose
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something different. And in the language you and I use,
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we get to choose who do I want to be here,
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not what do I do, which is this reaction out
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of the conditioning or out of the mask. The mask
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is going to react a certain way. It's like, whoa,
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hold on a second. I'm aware of this now. Do
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I really want to do that or who do I
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choose to be? And there's something more deeper and authentic
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under there that wants to move in a different direction.
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But the first phase is really letting go of that conditioning.
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And I think my experience has been once that conditioning
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has really been called integrated, minimized, it never goes away entirely.
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It's always there. We need an ego to interface with
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the world. But once it's minimized, what resides there is
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the authentic self. And it speaks.
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So what I'm hearing and what you're saying, or what
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I caught onto anyways, in terms of a thread, is
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that When we're operating from that conditioning or from that mask,
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we're reacting.
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Yeah.
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We're reacting to the world versus being in the world.
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Right?
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We're not.
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Yeah.
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So, and when we're being in the world, what sits
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underneath that conditioning is actually a whole lot of questions. Like,
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is what I'm feeling real? Is the story I'm telling
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myself real? What is it that I'm really wanting in
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this moment? Who do I choose to be? There's a
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whole bunch of questions that sit under there that lead
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us to that big ass self that you're speaking to
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or towards a level of authenticity with self and then
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with the world at large. So when you say it
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leads me to choice, before you get to choice, it
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leads you to awareness, right? It leads you to awareness
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that you have, you have different responses or you have
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different reactions and who do you want to be in
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the presence of those? Which gives you capacity, yeah? To
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be able to make a choice.
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And I think you said something, I just, you said
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something there that really, I almost stopped following you because
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it was so brilliant. is that it leads you to
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start asking questions i think that's really profound it these
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questions of who do i choose to be even the
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questions of who am i uh questions of like why
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am i here like what's my purpose here that's these
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are all the questions i think reside below the surface
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or the master the conditioning because the mass conditioning is
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so busy trying to assert who who we are in
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the world because we think we know it doesn't ask
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these questions It's just moving forward, trying to protect the
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image versus actually saying, wait a minute, there's something much,
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much bigger and deeper below this surface that I have
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yet to explore.
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Yeah. It works really hard to protect the image and
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actually will fight to its death so that the image
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itself is protected. Yes. Absolutely. what we're really seeking lies
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underneath that image or underneath the ego.
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Yeah. And, and no, and no, and no wonder, and
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no wonder it's like we, in the intro to the podcast,
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we talk about it's people speaking, speaking their truth. Don't
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realize that's not what there's, they're not speaking from that
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place or speaking from an ego or a mass or conditioning.
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It's fighting for its survival.
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So that's quite provocative, my darling. And I think it's
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probably a good place for us to pause.
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Yeah.
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And we'll come back right after the break. That was
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Pat, and I will introduce you to a different way
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Thank you. And we are back. We spend much of
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time on the, as we told you, the macro in
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the first half. And let's try to bring it, if
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you're okay with it, let's try to bring it back
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to the sort of the micro, like the day-to-day we
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get into, like it's just more relatable to listeners out there.
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In your day-to-day, in your day-to-day understanding when you're acting
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from your your mask or your authentic self, what's your practice?
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What shows up for you? I know you talked about the,
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you know, your body awareness in many episodes also in
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this episodes, and maybe I'll just pass it over to
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you with that.
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I think the conversation that we have about authenticity sort
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of on all of the platforms that are out there
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talking about the authentic self and talking about authenticity is
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In some ways, there's something very inauthentic about it, for me,
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as I relate to it. Because authenticity isn't something that we,
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it's not something to chase. It's not something that one
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day we arrive at and we are living authentically. Authenticity
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is presence. It's something that happens on a day-to-day basis.
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It happens in a moment-to-moment basis. And I think it's
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actually a lot messier and dirtier and less polished than this.
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I don't think authenticity is necessarily elegant. If I am
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going to step into my life authentically, then I am
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going to see all of the ways in which I
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am out of alignment. consistently. And in seeing where I'm
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out of alignment, where I'm not being who I want
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to be, but I'm operating out of my programming, as
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you would say, or I'm operating out of my conditioning to,
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to please, to maintain harmony, to be a good friend,
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to be the good mother, to do all of the
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things I've told myself that I need to be. And
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I'm actually going to step into this place of real
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discomfort when what happens is I come up against this
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friction of this is who I say I've been. This
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is who I say I am. But actually underneath it,
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there's something else that's popping up. There's something that's saying
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that this tendency that you have to please is actually,
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it's not It's not coming from the deepest version of you.
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It's coming from pain. It's coming from the fear of
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being rejected. It's coming from the fear of being left behind.
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Can you sit in the discomfort of feeling like you're
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going to be left behind in the fear of rejection?
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Can you sit in the discomfort of not being liked?
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Can you sit in the discomfort of having People that
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you love turn their backs on you because what is
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true for you is no longer in alignment with how
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you've been operating. And that first piece is, it's not about,
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you know, so much of what, and I said this
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at the beginning, so much of what we fear is
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being what happens if what's really sitting underneath is revealed
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to others. I think that's secondary. Because the bigger fear
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is what happens if it's revealed to ourselves?
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Yes.
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And so to me, this place of living from an
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authentic place is, yes, it is who do I choose
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to be in this moment? But more importantly, can I
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sit in the physical, mental, emotional discomfort that I'm actually,
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I'm calling bullshit on my own mask. that I'm breaking
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down my own armor because forget about the world. The
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armor doesn't fit me anymore. And that place is a
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place of, it's scary because it involves saying things like,
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I felt really hurt. I feel insecure. I feel jealous.
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I feel envious. I feel sad. I feel depressed. I
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feel grief. I feel all of these things that we
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might want to hide from ourselves because we'll judge ourselves
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for them. And then we certainly don't want to say
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them out loud because other people will judge us for them.
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But actually that is what sits under the surface. That's
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what drives so many of our behaviors until we become
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aware that that's what drive it. That's when you ask
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like on a day-to-day basis, what does that look like?
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It means when somebody says, Hey Jack, how are you?
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I no longer say fine when I'm not fine. It
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doesn't mean that I spew what's happening for me with
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the stranger that walks by me on the street, but
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I acknowledge it myself and I own it. And it's not,
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You know, there's a tremendous amount of freedom that comes
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with that. But at first, there's a tremendous amount of
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heaviness that comes with it too. Because actually, I'm required
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to feel all of the things I don't have practice feeling.
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Because I built a life to protect me from feeling
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those things.
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You put a mask on to keep you safe from
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feeling those particular things. And so once you're taking that
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off and you're allowing that to run through you, now
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this is going to be a different experience. It's not pleasant.
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It's not pleasant at all. But then, you know, I'm
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talking about it as if it's something so heavy. But
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then on the reverse of like the other side of
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that is, my relationships are honest. And in that honesty,
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there's a back and forth dialogue where I can say
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I feel insecure, or I can hear a friend say,
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I felt really hurt when this happens. Can we talk
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about it? Versus you hurt me, or I'm going to
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protect myself and not show you what's really sitting under
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the surface because the outside can look a hell of
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a lot prettier than what's sitting on the inside.
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And what's, and so I think it's really interesting because you,
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like you're talking about, I'm going to, what I'm hearing
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in there is your, your mask in the past has
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been the one that's everything's good. I'm fine. No problem.
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And so taking off that mask is, is allowing how
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you're really feeling to show up where someone else's mask
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might've been the victim. I'm always sad. I'm always hurt.
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And I'm going to tell everyone how you're hurting me
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because my mask is to play the victim in my life.
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For them, taking a mask off would be one of resilience.
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And so it's not all the same masks, same conditioning.
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It's different for each person. And so understanding what yours
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is and then figuring out who's left or who do
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you want to be without that mask on is sort
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of the art of the practice of this. It's not
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a one size fits all.
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Yeah. So, you know, you asked me originally the question
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of what does authenticity mean? And what you just spoke
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sort of brings that forward in a different way for me.
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I think it's kind of simple, actually. Authenticity means being real.
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And it means being real with ourselves first. And real
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means honest. which means, yes, first you have to see
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the conditioning to know that it's there, as you spoke earlier.
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But once you see it, it means getting honest with it,
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with yourself and with the people around you. But with yourself,
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you know, there's, we talk about radical honesty and we
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talk about radical acceptance and those things. And I think
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there's some really beautiful writing out there about what those are.
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But I also think we need to be conscious that
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When we get honest with ourselves, it can feel like
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a lot. And meeting yourself with compassion in the process
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is being able to see as an example. wow I
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feel really insecure in this moment about I'll use about
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my body image I'm making this up as I go
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I feel really insecure my goodness am I comparing myself
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to my friends and whatever and I feel small in
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this moment And then it doesn't look like going to
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shit on yourself for feeling those things. It looks like
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going to take a moment to actually say, wow, that
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was really honest. And celebrating the courage that it takes
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to be able to actually get that honest and say
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those things. Because when we can do that with ourselves,
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we do really become invitations for the people in our
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life to also be able to do that with us
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and with themselves. But when we become harsh critics of
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ourselves as we use the word expose or reveal, both
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of us, I mean, they're two sides of the same coin.
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The harsh critic is just going to put you back
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in the box of that mask, right? It's not going
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to draw you out.
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You're just going to judge yourself as well as maybe
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being judged by others as well. Yeah, well, it just
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pushes you back in that box. Yeah.
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So, I mean, I think that that's, for me, for me,
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that's the practice. And I know that I am in
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that practice consistently when it's easier for me to be
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in that practice when I have space, when I give
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myself time, when it's go, go, go, go, go all
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the time.
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You know, on the doing, I guess. Yeah. Yeah.
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Because then you have space to ask those questions of ourselves.
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How do you practice being authentic?
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You know, a few things you said, but it's almost
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like there's like a, I call it a program or
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a methodology that comes to mind that I sort of,
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it's almost like I subconsciously go through this. every day
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now and it it relates to this idea that i
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have i have some pretty good awareness to what to
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what my conditioning looks like. And I'm sort of on
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the lookout for it all the time. Like I'm sort
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of watching when it shows up and I'm monitoring my
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thoughts and my actions, but also really monitoring my body
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too now. It's become more body in tuned over time,
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slowly but surely. I can also start to feel my
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body when I'm acting inauthentically, particularly like or acting from
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my conditioning, particularly through feeling anxious, getting angry, getting frustrated,
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Those are all indicators to me to take a look
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at what I'm doing in the moment. So that's a
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big part of it. Then I do and I go
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look at it and I try to make an assessment
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of like, am I showing up with who I want
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to be? What's really at work here? And actually then
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asking the question, why am I doing this? Like, what's
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this fear that's been activated in me and what's behind it?
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And is it true? And so that's one of the
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things I do. I also, I've done a, like a
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really big part of how I relate to this is
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I've done, I've done a bunch of work in terms
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of who is my authentic self? Like spending that time
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asking that question, who am I? What are my core values? Like,
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what is, why am I here? And the work I've,
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the work I've done in that over the years has
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sort of led me to this, I'll just call it
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my North star in that I believe I have, you know,
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there's these sort of five core values. I really think,
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think are my beingness. Maybe they're not, but I resonate
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with them. And there's a life purpose that I've arrived at,
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at least for now, that again, as I've explored and
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approached it, I highly resonate with it. And so I
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can look at how I'm acting and But I have
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something to come back to. It says, wait a minute,
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who do I actually want to be in this world?
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And my core value, I went through this process a
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number of years ago, and it's something I take all
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my clients through in transformational coaching, where I try to
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do some work to get below the conscious mind into
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the subconscious and ask the subconscious, you know, what do
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you really value? And Why are you here? And they're
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not direct questions. They're very indirect questions. They're sort of
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a neuro-linguistic program. And for me, anyways, I've come up
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with this value system of enlightenment, empathy, commitment, peace, and
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love are my actual true ways of being. That's what
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I've individuated here to be. And my life purpose is
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to connect with my divinity so I can help other
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people connect with theirs. And so that's my North Star
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for who I think my authentic self is. And when
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I say it out loud even now, I feel a
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resonant frequency, but that's sort of close. And so as
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I move through life and I move through my day,
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And things get busy and things happen. I can pause
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and stop. It's like, where am I in that? Am
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I living out my core values right now? And in
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terms of my life purpose, do I want to be
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spending my time speculating in the stock market? Or do
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I want to be spending my time working with a
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sponsee today? Well, I can answer that question. I know
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what's important to me. I know, I know what brings,
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I know what, I have a feeling that that's my
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authentic self is purpose in the world. And when I
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do that stuff, I feel it, my body, I feel
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the frequency of all of these things. And I find
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more and more when I started doing those other things,
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we get distracted. Like we do, you know, I get
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pulled into, Oh, I can make some money here or this, that,
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or I can get some likes on Facebook by doing this.
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I get pulled in that direction, but I can get
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myself out of it quickly now because I have this
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idea and this decision. Now I'm choosing to be this
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now in the world. I'm choosing to not live from
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my conditioning and doing something different. And much like you
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pointed out, It's hard because it's not an easy process
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because I'm going against the grain of society. I'm going
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against the grain of what I believe expectations are of
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what I should be doing. And I know I open
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myself up to ridicule and doing some of these things
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based on my background. But I'm going to do it anyways,
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because to me, that's living authentically.
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You spoke that really beautifully.
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Yeah. I think I'm really, and I'm really passionate about
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this stuff too. Like I really, like I got, I
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can feel, I can just, I talk about, I can
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feel myself getting lit up about, you know, this is
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how I'm meant to live. And this is how I think,
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I think this is how we're all here to break
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our conditioning and find our authentic self. That's what, again,
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that's what all the stories and parables are for in
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my mind. I could be wrong, but that's what I feel.
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So define the word authentic self. Like, We're all here
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to find this authentic self. What does that actually mean
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to you?
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It's what exists beyond the conditioning. It's what hears the voice.
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It's the awareness that observes It's what was there before
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the identity we call us were there. It's there to
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this timeless, infinite consciousness. I'm sorry, I had to use
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the word. But individuated consciousness, it just exists. It's the soul.
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It's the soul. And I believe, listen, this is just
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my own belief system. We've all come here and we've
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all taken these bodies as individual conscious, but we're all
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here with a specific set of values and purpose that
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we're here on earth to fulfill. And if we're lucky,
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we get to find it. If we're lucky, we have
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something that happens in our lifetimes that makes us, that
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snaps us out of the dream and makes us look
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at our conditioning so we can actually connect with our
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authentic self and begin to live authentically. I think that's
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the purpose of life.
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And so if you were to say to our listeners,
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if you were to share with our listeners three really
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practical steps to moving in the direction of, you'll say,
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of meeting with your authentic self or of living from
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your authentic self. And it's not about speaking my truth,
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but it's about being that frequency, what would you tell
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people to do? Or what would you guide people to
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look at?
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I think the real initial step would be just starting
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the process of self-inquiry. And many people have never done.
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And it starts with moving into this place of curiosity
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and asking those questions. Who am I? Like, who am
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I beyond this conditioning? Why am I here? And what
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is my purpose? And maybe, and probably last one, what
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is my conditioning? And journaling on that. And really, get
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out of the doing. Find the quiet. Sit in nature.
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And just start journaling on these things and see what
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shows up. See what wants to show up. as a
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starting point, and then begin to see where that takes
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you in terms of inquiring into other things.
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And what about when those same people come up against
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their walls and their defenses and the stories that they've
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told themselves for years, that they've come to believe is
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their authentic self? but actually is just preventing them from
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being able to access that place. What do you guide them?
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Think of that first exercise. It's a great question. I
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think if that first exercise generates enough curiosity and interest,
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there's something below that that's really wanting to be pursued.
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Find a guide. Find a mentor. Find someone that's walked
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this path before you that can walk with you on
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this path. Because it's a very challenging path to walk without.
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The path is obscured in so many ways by ourself
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and by our society that I think it's really important
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to have someone to walk with on that path that
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can help guide you. It's going to be your own
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individual path. It's not their path. But they know the milestones.
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And if you're serious about it, find that person.
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There's a place there where in walking with somebody, you
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get to experience the common humanity in this experience. Because
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when it's your path and yours alone, you feel very isolated.
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And like it's only you that's doing this work. Whereas
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if you walk with somebody, there's there's a normalization that
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happens that, oh yeah, that happened for me too. It's hard,
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isn't it? Yeah, keep going.
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We're all in this boat rowing together here. I get
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it now. What would you add to that?
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I think I would just add a question. And I
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feel like I sound a little bit cynical, but I
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think if you get to a place where you think
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that you are authentic and you're there and you're living
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that truth, keep asking questions. Because I think that as
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long as we're here on this planet, in these bodies,
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then there's deeper truths and there's more layers and more
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work and more beauty. And the journey's never over. And
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so I think being in question always would be the
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only extra guidance I would speak to. I think you
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did a really good job. Yeah. I just, I don't
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think there's an arrival. I think this is all a
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journey and it's a journey to the center.
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Yeah.
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And, and it's a long journey.
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Yeah. It's a lot of fun though. I think, and
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I think it's why we're here.
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Yeah, it's a really beautiful journey.
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Yeah, and I think I just, there's one last practical
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thing that I think would be really helpful on that
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question of authenticity. It's like if I'm, if someone say
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I'm up, but I'm speaking my truth, if you have
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a desire to be right, that's not authentic. It's not authentic.
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And just that's might be just a good check that
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if what you're speaking is so you can be right,
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it's probably not the authentic self because the authentic self
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is just wants to understand.
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Yeah, and it's spacious.
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So spacious, that's right.
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All right. I think we're out of time.
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We'll see everybody in two weeks.
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Thanks for the conversation.
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