The Things We Do... - Interview with Hallea Jones

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This is the Things We Do podcast, a podcast about film, life, television, culture, mental
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health and all that fun jazzy stuff.
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Today I've got my special guest and friend, Alia Jones.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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You've got that down, don't you?
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I really do.
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You're like, you like took a breath.
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Look, it's, it's a lot of practice and maybe like almost four years to doing this.
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This says a lot about your dedication to what you're building here.
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Well, insanity, some people call it insanity.
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Like, um, and self discovery, I guess.
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It's all, everyone's on that journey.
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I honestly think that we're all in a little bit of both of those things.
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You want a self discovery journey right now?
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I mean, where's David Attenborough?
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So, Alia, because there's, I'm sure there's people on the internet who do not know of
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you.
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Oh, oh my God.
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If they did, I'd be scared.
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I'm going to give you, yeah.
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Give me your pitch.
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Give me your website pitch.
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Yeah.
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I'm sorry, it's aliajones.com.
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It's not built yet though.
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It's in the process.
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It might be built by the time this comes out.
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Probably.
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I don't know.
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We'll see.
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I'll link it in the bottom in the bio.
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So my name is Alia Jones.
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I am an actor, a musician and a painter.
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And I now can say that because that's literally like my side hustle income when I'm not on
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set, which is amazing.
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I do pet portraits, which has been really freaking cute.
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I get to stare at pets all day.
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That's cute.
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Yeah.
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I don't have to be a waitress, which is like literally the life of an actor until you're
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getting offered jobs all the time and whatever, which like I totally, that's the life.
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It's the life of an actor at the beginning.
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And I still consider myself very much at the beginning of my career, though I have had
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some really awesome successes, like being Eden Hawkins on Lock and Key for two and a
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bit seasons for Netflix, which was like highlight of my career so far that I was just, oh my
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God, that was, I still think about it like every day and think of how amazing of an opportunity
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and time that was.
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And I've done a few different TV shows and films and whatnot.
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And yeah, I'm just kicking off.
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I'm just getting started.
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So that's a little bit about me.
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I love that, getting started, finding it out, working.
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I mean, like, you know, if you don't know Lock and Key, which I feel like is a bit of
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a weird thing not to know Lock and Key from its source material of like Joe Hill being
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like Stephen King's son.
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Yeah.
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I feel like if you're in that world, like if you're the kind of person who's, you know,
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in the comic book world and is interested about that world in general, I think that
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you would know of Lock and Key even if you didn't watch it or read it.
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But it is interesting because I've had a lot of conversations where either people are like,
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oh my God, my family loved that show, but they haven't watched the comics or people
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are like, oh, I watched it, I read the comics, but I didn't watch the show or, oh, I think
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I saw that on Netflix, but I didn't watch it.
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You know, so like it was there, especially during COVID because it came out February
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6th of 2020.
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I was in LA when the world started shutting down and I was like, what's happening here?
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And yeah, like that first season came out and I think everyone was just kind of in their
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own bubble and wanted things to watch and just, it became way bigger than the smaller
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community I think might've initially been, you know.
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It did feel like it grew and I feel like some other Netflix properties kind of like grew
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in like popularity during that bubble because we had nothing else to do.
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Which sounds really sad when we sort of reflect on it, but it was realistically, I think,
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the time and you know, we're talking season one and your character is fucking annoying.
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She is just like the most annoying human.
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She's very like just in your face.
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Entitled, in your face.
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Just thinks that she's hot shit.
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Thank you so much.
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I appreciate that.
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That was like exactly what I was going for.
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Which I mean, you know, you think about like, for example, Game of Thrones, Joffrey, like
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that actor, people hated him because he did a good job.
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So I've had people say that about my character that they didn't like Eden Hawkins and I'm
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like, thank you.
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I appreciate that because that's what I was going for.
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In season two though, spoilers, but also it's been out long enough.
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I have no sympathy.
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If you haven't watched it now, this is your fault.
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But go watch it if you want to.
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Yeah, in season two, I did kind of turn that.
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I tried to turn that a little on its head because of the fact that like, there's always
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something you want to make people love about the people they're supposed to hate, like
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or have some sympathy towards them.
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And I don't know if that came across, but for me personally, like I did try to infiltrate
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the demon element of Eden with the human element that felt like she was trapped within herself.
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Yeah.
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So I don't know if that came across.
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I mean, I remember watching it and this is how bad my memory was for three seasons.
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I forgot that your character got possessed because I was just like, wow, she's done worse.
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Like she's like now just really demonic.
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Like still.
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She's still being low.
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Like I didn't have that and it took me like an episode in like season two, episode one.
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And I was like, at the end I was like, now let me do some research.
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Like, oh no, she's possessed.
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This one.
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I didn't clean, even though the dialogue, like the dialogue sedged, like basically announces
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she's possessed.
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Cause she's like suddenly what like.
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Yeah.
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Like Gabe announces that he's going to repurpose me for whispering iron and like boil me down
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and like what?
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He's like, yeah, you know, that's like inside you.
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I could just like boil you down into this.
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So like they give way to it.
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But if you forget, which I have a horrible memory for these things.
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I think it's also like the, the thing about like Netflix series is like, unless you can
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skip the recap, which is also like the most hilarious thing.
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You want to play that game.
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And that's what I did.
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So I was like, oh yeah, I remember this show very well.
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I clearly forgot that your little like that little oil or whatever it was like the digital
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like thing goes in you.
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It's the, it's a, it's whispering iron.
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So it's like, it's a demonic like, it just comes from the portal and goes, and then dissolves
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into my arm.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Which is crazy.
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I'm actually doing that exact thing of like not doing the recaps with a book I'm reading
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right now.
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It's called threads of power by V Schwab and I will scream from the rooftops.
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Amazing series called a darker shade of magic.
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And I read this like two, three years ago.
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I blew through them, literally got me back into reading again, hadn't picked up a book
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in years and like I start, I'm reading this.
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I'm like maybe a hundred pages in and I'm like, how did we get here?
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Cause it's like in the same universe, like the characters are here with new characters
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and whatever.
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But I'm like, this is seven years later.
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Yeah.
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Wait, wait, I don't know what's happening here.
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Well, that's kind of like the thing.
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And I feel like this is also, I don't know, it's maybe it's the attention span of our
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generation, which is a little bit appalling, but I do, I remember also like films now and
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you know, like stories now they are shorter and they are more condensed.
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And I don't, I, you know, I was like, um, like, and I think it's also why we, my wife
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and I, we watched Rosemary's baby recently, which I was like, Oh, that's a classic film.
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I didn't realize how long it was.
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It's like two hours and 10 minutes.
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Oh, it's long.
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I just watched the whole extended director's cut of Lord of the Rings.
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Yeah.
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I had my partner and I watched each one in two parts.
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I think we did the return of the king in three, like, because it's like five hours long.
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But the thing with those films is there's so like, they also have very specific cut
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points or like intermission points, which I don't think you have as much.
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Like they have very distinct act one, act two, act three, which makes it easy to cut
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or like take a break or whatever and come back, which we don't really have much of anymore.
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We kind of barrel through things.
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Um, but yeah, they're like, my attention was amazing because it was slow.
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Even though it was, it was, I mean that in the way of like, I think a lot of things right
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now are edited really quickly where it's just like, I get overwhelmed by it.
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And then my attention drifts to other things like doom scrolling, like watching Lord of
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the Rings, it's like the cuts are longer and it's more like gripping like in other ways.
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I think it's, it's, it's the appeal.
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And I guess like, I'll go a little bit into this why you wanted to become an actor, but
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you know, like it's, it's the appeal, I guess from like slow driven stories.
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And I almost feel like we're going in this really weird direction where like TV is trying
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to up its budget to be like a long format film, but then there's like too long and too convoluted.
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Like, and it's really interesting because of Prime example, Harry Potter now going to
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HBO to do, I think like eight seasons.
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Oh my God.
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Just like there's, there's sorry, I talked to them.
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There are so many other IPs out there that could be created.
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Like don't give JK more money.
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Yeah, literally.
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Like, and also just leave a good thing alone.
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It was of that time since then, a lot of shits come out that it's just like, why are we,
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we can leave those in a little box and just like appreciate them for what they are.
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There's so much like, I look at, you know, Greek mythology and like a lot of different
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stories that have happened over the millennium.
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Like, you know, like it's, there's so much there that we could take from and make new,
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new ideas from and new shows and new TV shows, movies and whatnot.
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And they just go back and back and back.
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We saw this with Marvel to what sells, but the problem is, I don't know if that's selling
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as well anymore because people are kind of bored of it.
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You know,
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I will, I will.
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Even the biggest diehard fans of Marvel have stopped watching a lot of the content.
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Yeah, like take a hint.
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And it sucks because like, I know how brilliant those were.
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I'm not personally like huge Marvel first fan, but I know how important those were to
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people.
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And just to see it kind of being like, you know, ground into, into the abyss is a bit
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hard to watch because it's like, just there's, you guys have the, the ability to do so much
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more than just do this over and over and over and over and over again.
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You know, I don't know.
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Oh, I, you're like too much going on.
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My brain, a neurodivergent.
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I mean, like particularly, and we'll go into that.
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We're going to go straight into that little can of whelks.
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Yeah.
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When we first started talking about even doing this podcast, we were on a phone for like
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an hour just talking about what we might talk about.
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So like, I know we will figure out our way through this.
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I love, I love that.
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I mean, particularly also, I do want to talk about you being an actor and also, well, I
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mean, like particularly, I want to interrogate you about that now.
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I like that you're like a bitch in three hours.
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How do you play a bitch?
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How do you do it so well?
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But I mean, like what, the two simple questions.
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How do you do a bitch so well?
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No, we're, we're like, why, why acting?
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Why, you know, why that particular avenue for you?
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Simply I just did not want to go to university.
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No.
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Well, honestly, I ever since I was a kid, I've been an entertainer and I've been really
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interested in, in the arts.
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And I feel like I've said this so many times in my life, but it really is my villain origin
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story.
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When I was in high school, I went to Earl Hick secondary school and they have something
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called the Claude Watson program, which is like an arts program.
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And they have like mini Claude, which is for, you know, middle school kids.
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And I auditioned for that, didn't get into that.
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So I went to like, you know, a normal person in school.
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And then in high school audition for the vocal program for grade nine.
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And I was like, Oh, I'll probably get in.
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Like I'll be a nepo baby here.
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My dad was part of building this, this arts program, whatever.
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It didn't happen for me.
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So like even my little shred of nepo babyism that I could have used, it was like, no, because
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I didn't know, I didn't sing classical music and I didn't really do theory.
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And I also just was shit at school.
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They're like, we're not going to give you like an extra workload of being in the arts
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program.
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Same thing happened in grade, uh, grade 10.
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I auditioned to do in the, to be in the drama program, didn't get into that.
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And so over and over again, I just kept getting beat down about like trying to do arts and
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just being turned away because of my academic, academic lack of success.
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Because I was undiagnosed ADHD and I just wasn't a good student.
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So that affected art because it had to be balanced in school and I just wasn't able
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to balance it.
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So when I graduated high school, I was like, I'm not going to university.
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I don't want to do this.
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I know I'll be depressed for the next four years.
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So I went to Australia and I was an au pair for a bit.
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And um, an important part of the story though was in grade 11, Degrassi came to our school
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for an open call and the whole hallway was filled with like drama students and people
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auditioning.
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It was like 500 kids and long story short, I was one of four people who got a call back.
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And I remember being in that line and a kid asking me what I was doing there.
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Like so what, why are you here?
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And I'm like, I'm auditioning and they're like, Oh, you know, like that kind of petty
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BS and like that really hurt.
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But then when I, like, I remember getting the email and it's saying like, you have a
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call back and going like, fuck you guys.
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And it really propelled me forward to just be like, okay, even though these people say
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I can't, I can because professionals are taking me seriously.
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So I went to Australia, I did all that.
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And then I, I just kind of started getting involved with like student, student stuff.
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My friends were in student programs, film programs.
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So I started doing films for them.
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And then I got an agent.
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I booked my first audition, which was crazy.
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It was for working moms.
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I had no lines.
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I was just a sassy Pilates teacher.
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I think that's like season one or no season two.
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I don't know where, but you'll, you'll see me.
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And then I just like kept on auditioning and I was like, wow, this is easy.
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It's not.
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And then I booked Lock and Key about a year and a half into, into auditioning, which was
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just like huge.
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I didn't even realize, like I remember saying to my agent, wow, this is cool.
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I guess other like casting directors will see that I booked something like that's good.
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I'll get more auditions.
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And my agent was like, I think this isn't a different stratosphere, Hylia.
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Like I don't, I think this is like really big.
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This is for Netflix and Netflix was like a thing, but it wasn't like something that was
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super on my radar.
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It's like, you know, so I got into it mainly because I just kind of, I didn't want to go
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the traditional route.
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I was because I was constantly pushed in that direction by not by my parents ever.
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They're very supportive, but like a lot of my peers in high school basically saying like
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I would amount to nothing if I didn't go to university and I was like, I would approve
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you wrong.
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And now I'm literally like a vocalist, an actor and a painter.
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And there's like a visual arts program that I like tried so hard to like impress the visual
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artists when I was in high school and they were like, you know, I just feel like I kind
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of came out the other side successful because of the fact that I just didn't let them get
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me down in the long run.
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At the time they did for sure, but after a while it was just like, this is what I want
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to do more than anything.
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I'm just going to go into it and see how it happens.
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Yeah, which is really, I mean, this kind of like the best result and also like, fuck everyone
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who doubts you.
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I think it's also like the clearly the most ADHD coded story.
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I can't focus on anything more than like a couple of weeks.
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So like to have an agent who's consistently like sending me things is great because I'm
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like, okay, like I have someone, you know, putting me in positions, you know, compared
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to going out and doing other things by myself.
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I think it's also like, and a lot of my friends who are, you know, like actors in Australia
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as well, they're the same.
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They're trying to find agents that will suit them.
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Like there's sort of like a weird thing where I think you go through the stage of like you
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outgrow your agent or you change agents.
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Oh, my agent just got a felony charge for stealing $800,000 from their clients.
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So that's why I outgrew my agent.
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I left them.
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I mean like that's a bit of a, yeah.
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It's like tea.
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And I can say it because it's on like newspapers and stuff.
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That's amazing.
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I was top of the roster.
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I was like friends with them.
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Like I, not friends with them, but like, you know, I liked them a lot and then shit hit
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the fan over a weekend.
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And I was like, okay, I got him.
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And I had luckily been finished locking key at that point, but like, yeah, it was some
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tea.
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That's so, that is also like, and there's a sort of like discussion now, I think on
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online forums and stuff where it's like a lot of my friends are representing themselves,
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which is another route.
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It's really hard.
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It's so hard.
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Like I'm not, I'm not saying do it.
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My neurodivergent brain could never.
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But I do think that like, and a lot of the thing I also think, and my father-in-law asked
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me this question because we were watching, we were watching a film and you know, he was
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like, how many actors actually make it?
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And we, we Googled, we did the Google search.
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It's like 1% of the whole world become like well-known names.
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And you sort of like statistically look at that.
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That's horrifying, but it doesn't mean you've never acted in your life.
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I think the thing that I always love and I think like, I look at everyone's career when
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you sort of discover names and you go, oh, this person was great in this.
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And you know, there's always like milestones that actors go through.
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There's like their golden era or like an artist's golden era.
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It's like, there's the dry spell of like, maybe, you know, like I think Daniel Day-Lewis
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is the only weird one who is like ever consistent every seven years.
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He'll come out of her time and be like, I did Carpentry and now I'm going to go home.
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But he, he got to that point through trial and tribulation, right?
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I don't know his IMDB that well, but whenever I feel down on myself, excuse me, because
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I am in a dry spell right now until recently.
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And I'm very grateful to be working on something in the, in the new year.
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I was not booking anything, like anything.
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And I came off of Lock and Key hot.
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Like I was feeling good about my work.
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I was getting really built up with really kind compliments and support and whatnot.
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And I was like, this is awesome.
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Like I'm going to go and book something.
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And this is like, this is going to like, my career is going to take off even more than
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this.
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Like, and I was also like, I was in LA, like looking at billboards on Sunset Avenue with
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like Lock and Key on it and being like, holy shit, I'm in that.
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Like, wow, I've made it.
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I've had my moment.
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I've made it.
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And that was just the beginning.
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It's crazy to think like everything goes and flows and it's like ups and downs and like
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finding that way to it.
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I don't think you make it until you get to that, like Daniel Day-Lewis point where you
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can choose your projects and you can, you can take that time off to do carpentry and
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that's fine.
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But that takes a long time.
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And whenever I get down on myself about going through a dry period, I go to IMDb's.
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I go to people's IMDb's and I go, when did they start?
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How many years did it take until they got their first notable role?
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And most of the time it's 10 years.
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I'm only six years in.
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So I'm okay.
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Like, I'm very lucky and I feel very grateful for where I've gotten to so far, but I still
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have years of work and it will be work after that too to uphold the career that I want
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because it's a career.
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It's something that I'm building constantly and there's no ABC, like it's all over the
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place and you never know when it's going to hit.
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Like I could get a call today or no, on Monday.
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That would just like, they don't call on Saturdays unless it's like something really special.
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But I mean, like I could get a call on Monday.
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That could just completely change my life.
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And that happened to me a few months ago.
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Like something I auditioned for in December.
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I did a call back in January and then in July they were like, Hey, remember that thing you
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auditioned for months and months and months ago?
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They want you to come to Vancouver for an in-person screen test.
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And I'm like, what?
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I haven't even thought about that in like several months.
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So it's like the world as an actor is so up and down.
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And like anytime I'm down on myself, just go check out IMDb.
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It's so interesting because some people also have really, really, really amazing periods
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and then nothing.
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And that could be by choice or it could just be because you like you burn out sometimes.
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Yeah.
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I think, and I think it's also really healthy to kind of like go in ebbs and flows.
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I think, I think like I'm with you.
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I'm totally with you.
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I think it's like when I hit my peak, I then like had a momentary and like a lot of my
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projects like the podcast and stuff was self-made.
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Like I didn't have like producers or anything.
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I think that was like the biggest thing to convince it because I was starting out with
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friends and then I was like, okay, well I've got to have a reputable bank of stuff I've
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done.
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That's the only way you improve your skills.
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You keep working, you make more stuff.
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And I think particularly it was like, you know, I never thought in a million years that,
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you know, like I'd sit down with some people and be like, oh God, I get to actually talk
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to people who I feel have had a career and not to say some of my friends haven't, they've
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had amazing careers, but it did feel like I was getting more reputable like as a source
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of an interviewer.
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And I think particularly like during 2023, I was overworking and burning out.
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So I had the opposite problem where I was just like, I was doing too much.
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So I was like, oh God, I don't have any help.
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And that's kind of like the thing that also you need to constantly damage as an artist.
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Like it's like, and now I'm at the other side where I'm like really excited to do projects
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again, but that always takes like, I think rejigging your brain because it's like, as
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we say, what do we love and why do we keep wanting to do it?
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Which I think, you know, like life is too short not to do something you love.
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And I think that's a really big thing.
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And I look at like one of my favorite things is always looking at, you know, careers where
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it's like you watch someone's first movie, like their first like Peter Jackson or, you
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know, like Alfred Hitchcock or like even Greta Gerwig's like first film, like all of them.
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I'm sorry, they're all shit.
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Like they're just terrible.
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That's how you learn.
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And I mean, Quentin Tarantino has spoken very openly about this, about how if you want to
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become a filmmaker, don't go to school, go and spend the money you're going to go spend
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on school and make a shitty film because you are going to learn more making a shitty film
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than you are sitting behind a desk.
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And that's different for everyone because some people really enjoy academics and like,
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sure, go to school if you want to go to school for that.
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But I have learned more on set than anything.
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But you have to start out doing shitty things in order to learn what's right and what's
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wrong.
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You know, what works and what doesn't.
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Everyone has to do that.
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And I think if you start out strong, you're going to you're going to fuck up eventually.
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And you're not going to know how to deal with that.
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And I think with the success of Lock and Key, you know, I'm and I don't know maybe if this
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is me justifying like having a hard couple of years, but I think there's also conceptualizing
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the fact that maybe I needed this time, a down period to recognize how good it can be
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and to appreciate the career I'm in and understand how to navigate the low periods because I
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didn't really have that.
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Like Lock and Key hit pretty early on in my career.
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And if it kept on going up and up and up, I think I probably would have been a dickhead.
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You know, like I think I needed that.
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The I needed like the the rose colored glasses to come off to see like this this industry
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is difficult and to have like empathy towards people who like everyone who takes time in
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this industry to come up because it's not easy.
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So yeah, like for me, I I discovered that I can paint pet portraits and I can make money
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doing that when I'm not working.
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Even if I'm like, you know, the bank accounts doing OK, like it's good to still have something
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to rely on.
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That's I enjoy.
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And I feel very lucky that I've had this time to discover that.
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And I'm not, you know, because for so long it was like, oh, well, the only way that I
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can make good money is by acting.
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And then I would stress about it.
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And that would just get me down and it would it made me fight against my joy for acting.
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So that time away from acting has been really so full of self growth and discovering self
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00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:07,360
worth beyond the projects that, you know, could be given to me or not.
464
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,120
Not given to me, but like I could be in and whatnot.
465
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,680
Like I'm more than just an actor.
466
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:19,120
And that this time off has really offered me that opportunity to learn who I am without
467
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,440
being on set, even though I love me when I'm on set.
468
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,200
I'm the happiest being ever.
469
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,160
I'm so happy when I'm on set.
470
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:33,280
Which is so lovely as well, and I love what you say about like having that time off and
471
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,280
at reflection.
472
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,400
I think we all need that.
473
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,440
I think what I might like, you know, and the same thing happened to me.
474
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,080
And I think like even currently, like I've changed, you know, I've now have a mundane
475
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,120
nine to five job to kind of fuel income because there was like, and I think I needed it, you
476
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:54,600
know, like I came to Canada thinking I've got these skillsets that I've had in Australia,
477
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,960
you know, like a really good, I'm going to bring them over here and people are going
478
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,280
to love my work.
479
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,880
And no, it was complete opposite.
480
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,400
It was just brick walls.
481
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:03,560
It was nothing.
482
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,200
And I think it was the real, it was kind of like the slap in the face that I needed to
483
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,880
be like, okay, well get off your high stool, like get off the pedestal and realize what
484
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,880
your strengths are.
485
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,500
And I, one of my friends managed to get me a job at a company she worked at.
486
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:22,880
And I was like, cool, I'll do this, do it for about a year.
487
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:23,880
And that's my mental.
488
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,400
I'm like five weeks in, but it's like, it's good money.
489
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,440
It's decent money, nine to five, Monday to Friday.
490
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,160
But then outside of that, I get to do fun things.
491
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,320
I'm like, okay, well I've got to remind myself it's not the shift work I was doing before.
492
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,560
It was all over the clock and I had no energy.
493
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,180
Like it's normal hours.
494
00:28:38,180 --> 00:28:39,280
I can do that.
495
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,360
And then over time, this does not take away my love and passion for the arts and wanting
496
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:50,480
to make films and lead production companies and you know, actually go back and acting
497
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,400
and do voice acting myself.
498
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,000
Like it's one of those things that I think we sort of steer.
499
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,000
We kind of kid ourselves.
500
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,920
We kind of go, oh, I haven't made it by a, so why bother anymore?
501
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,080
And it's like, well, you've got to constantly keep bother because that's the thing it's
502
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,520
like proving.
503
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,040
And I think that's such a neurodivergent way of thinking as well.
504
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,000
It's like fucking too true.
505
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:19,920
But I like, and I feel like this is the thing through life, through everyone, the amount
506
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:26,920
of people that I've met who are like way more like stuck up and difficult and everything.
507
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,520
Like who have never, like they've done one film, they've done a short film with their
508
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,480
friend and they go, I'm the best shit.
509
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,800
And I'm like, are you like, you've come straight out of drama school.
510
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,620
You've come straight out of uni.
511
00:29:39,620 --> 00:29:45,280
Like I get that you all want to be filmmakers, but no one's going to be that high horse.
512
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,800
Like, and I think the realisation is film sets are the best place to be.
513
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,640
They are so much fun, but they're also the most grueling time.
514
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,480
And a lot of the time is you've got to switch on and you just got to suddenly everyone's
515
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,480
been like, okay, break's over.
516
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,480
We've got to get back to work.
517
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,480
Otherwise we're not going to meet.
518
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,480
The figures, like all these things today, we've got like five scenes to shoot and people
519
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,080
go, oh yeah, no.
520
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,040
And I've been on set where like some of my friends films were just like, oh yeah, we'll
521
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,040
take our time.
522
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,040
And like, no, we've got to get that.
523
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,040
We've got to get stuff.
524
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,040
Time is money.
525
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,040
Yeah.
526
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,040
Time is money and cut shots.
527
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,440
There are times where, you know, and that like my favourite of a story was someone who
528
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,280
had never been on a big film set was like, oh, this will never happen on a big film set.
529
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,280
I was like, are you kidding me?
530
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,840
Like the amount of times that things go wrong on big film sets and they have to cut scenes,
531
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:36,680
they have to cut shots, they have to cut like entire hours of the day and then just go,
532
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,800
okay, we're clocking off at five.
533
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,280
We have to do either pick this up tomorrow or we're not doing it at all.
534
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,600
And that's the realisation and the amount of rewrites and everything.
535
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:50,120
And it's so funny that every like, and this is the life I've dealt with as a producer
536
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:58,880
and I remember one of my friends who entered her amazing short film into like a few Australian
537
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,040
film festivals and it went into a couple of international ones and it did really well.
538
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,880
She I remember the day we started at 10am, we finished at like 1am.
539
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,840
It was a very long day and we had like probably like two days.
540
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,300
There was one day she didn't finish till 4am, like she was shooting her own stuff.
541
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:24,680
And I remember like, I remember the next day, people were like, oh, this would never happen
542
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,760
on like someone who had never, yeah, again, never been on a real set.
543
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,560
I was like, I was like, everything's never, you know, you can be the first AD and the
544
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,000
best first AD, things are going to go over.
545
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Yeah, like it's just reality.
546
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,160
The best ADs are the first ADs.
547
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,680
First of all, I think first ADs are the most important people on sets a lot of the time.
548
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,200
I mean, every single person is important in their own right.
549
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,680
But like a bad first AD, you will feel it through the whole set.
550
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,280
But like they're important, like they're basically steering the ship.
551
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,840
Like the director is kind of painting the picture of where you're going and like, you
552
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,880
know, where to go and how to go and like what everyone's, you know.
553
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:09,000
But the first AD is like damage control.
554
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,760
And like they have one of the hardest jobs and I've been on film sets where the first
555
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,600
AD was green.
556
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:23,600
And by the end of the day, I had to take them aside because I was the most well, like I
557
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,560
was asked to be on the film because of my resume and like I was the one who had worked
558
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,920
and this was more of like a starter film for the filmmakers.
559
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:39,640
And I took them aside and I was like, because I knew that they would respect my input because
560
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,820
they wanted that otherwise.
561
00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:45,720
And I was like, when do you guys go into overtime?
562
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,800
And they're like 45 minutes ago.
563
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,320
And I'm like, what?
564
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,920
And you want to do one more scene in the other room isn't even set that yet.
565
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,760
Like you need to call it right now.
566
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,840
It's the first day.
567
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:06,360
You're not going to make half of your days in two weeks if you don't, if the first AD
568
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,000
doesn't have a backbone.
569
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:15,080
And I was like, you can do it kindly, but don't be nice on like how you do things.
570
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,320
You have to be strict about them and say, no, we have to move on.
571
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,320
I'm sorry.
572
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,160
We've got what we can work with.
573
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,540
We have to move on.
574
00:33:23,540 --> 00:33:26,480
Or it just goes all to the shitter.
575
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:33,360
And everyone gets exhausted from that when you don't have any direction because they're
576
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,920
just waiting around like, what do I do next?
577
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:36,920
What's next for us?
578
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,840
You know, and like it's just, it's grueling.
579
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,760
It can be really, really grueling.
580
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,760
I love it.
581
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:42,760
I've been really, really great.
582
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,800
Like I've had really, really great like experiences on set so far.
583
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,400
So I don't have a lot of horror stories, but like I've seen my fair share of shit.
584
00:33:53,400 --> 00:34:00,040
I think I only ever have like one and it was run by me, but it was the only horror story
585
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,160
I remember.
586
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,920
And like, I think it was self-funded.
587
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,560
It was very like low key.
588
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,960
We shot it like just before we left Australia.
589
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,800
And I remember we had 15 people in our house.
590
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,520
Like we were shooting in our own house.
591
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:20,280
We were trying to do a fake trailer for a spoof like idea and everyone was trying to
592
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,840
get like, everyone tried to have their own input.
593
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,840
It was really quite funny.
594
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,800
Because they were like, yeah, I know.
595
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,600
It was a lot of that.
596
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,720
But I remember there was one actor who did not like the rest of the actors, which caused
597
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:33,520
a lot of friction.
598
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,520
And that was also the hardest thing.
599
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,040
And I think it was like suddenly, like there was a lot of, you know, people's personal
600
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,320
lives started coming into this.
601
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:47,080
I was like, I remember we got to the end of the day and my dear wife, who I love very
602
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,520
much and she used to be a soundie.
603
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,960
So she was very much like, she was like, I left sound like sets like this because she
604
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,080
was like, just people annoyed me.
605
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:01,480
But I do remember I was talking to my DOP and I, there was something like, I remember
606
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:07,280
I said to, I said to my first, I was like, oh, can you go and make sure this is set up?
607
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,160
Like the next scene.
608
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,800
And she was trying to get him to move, but he wasn't moving fast enough.
609
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,080
Well, I was outside dealing with something else.
610
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,600
And I just realised it was like, it doesn't matter what you do if people are not switched
611
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:25,320
on and like, you know, a lot of, even when the thing is like, sometimes it is down to
612
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,800
the fact that the space is not big enough.
613
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,480
And that is, there's so many hurdles to jump over.
614
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,120
But the one thing I remember, because I was the director and producer, everyone blamed
615
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,960
me for it not being good enough.
616
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,800
And I remember going, I was like, okay, guys, it's not just my fault.
617
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,160
It's everyone's input.
618
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,160
Yeah.
619
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:52,120
That's, this is, if one person is to blame, then that's terrible, but it's actually everyone's
620
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,120
responsibility.
621
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:58,040
It's never one person unless someone's specifically being like really difficult to work with.
622
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:04,560
And that's why like on set, I am a firm believer that if you come in with the best attitude
623
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:12,480
and like this curiosity and this desire to, you know, make the best product and in the
624
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:19,240
best time and, you know, just build a community that's going to have the best end product.
625
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:23,240
And I think that's why Lock and Key was such a like unicorn set.
626
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:28,160
Like I had multiple crew members say that Lock and Key was a unicorn set in the way
627
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,600
that everyone got along.
628
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,600
And of course there was dramas here and there, but like as actors, like didn't really hear
629
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,600
about it.
630
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,640
I only heard about things because like I became friends with makeup artists and like the,
631
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,760
the costume artists.
632
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:50,360
Like so it's, yeah, like it doesn't always happen, but I think when you come into a set
633
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:57,520
with the best intention and with just like hoping to have the best time, that's the best
634
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,760
remedy for a great film.
635
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,520
But like it can still go wrong and it can be an incredible time and it can still be
636
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,520
boo-boo.
637
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,520
Oh yeah.
638
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:12,560
And I think one of the, you know, one of the best like critiques I've ever got as an artist
639
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,760
and also this is very neurodivergent as well.
640
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,120
And one of my friends was like, she was like, you always make gold.
641
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:25,700
The problem is like, it's just seeing how the lines always line up is like sometimes
642
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:30,080
watching someone finish half a jigsaw and then you show, cause she's like, your quality
643
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,360
of work is always like up here.
644
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,480
But the problem is like you look at it and people just kind of think it's like, oh, I
645
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,560
guess we're going to hamstring this together.
646
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,880
And it's like, well, that's sometimes the only way.
647
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,520
Like sometimes it's just be your crew, like be, I remember particularly prior COVID, actually
648
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,920
this was like the biggest thing I'd ever tried to work with.
649
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,920
It took me like two, two and a half years.
650
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,360
It's actually getting revitalized soon.
651
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,720
But it was a anthology horror series.
652
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:05,240
And I remember we had budgeted it and I remember I felt like I was working.
653
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:08,540
It was the first time I had tried to have a team of like, okay, well I've got a few
654
00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:10,480
friends who are producers and stuff like that.
655
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,400
But I ended up feeling like it was one of those things where I was like, I felt like
656
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,560
I was the only one with a realistic budget in mind.
657
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,880
And everyone else was like, oh, we can cut corners here.
658
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,360
And I was like, there is no way we can cut corners.
659
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,000
There's some things I was like, we, you know, the, this needs to be a real location unless
660
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,160
we build it or it's going to cost this much.
661
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,680
And it just, it was the most hilarious time.
662
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:36,440
And I think it was kind of great because COVID happened, it got shut down very quickly because
663
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,080
we were like, well, we can't shoot it during a pandemic.
664
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,760
And it gave me time to sit down and go, okay, well I had so many opinions coming in.
665
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,760
What do I want to make?
666
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,880
You know, what, what at the end of the day is going to be this product?
667
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:57,080
And I think that's where I enjoy because COVID really forced me to slow down.
668
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:03,200
It forced that whole like, you know, as ADHD your brain goes a million miles an hour a
669
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,160
minute and people go, oh, you know, like can't keep up.
670
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,160
It's great.
671
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,600
Like it's the other side where it's like, oh, I get to focus and really hone my skills
672
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,800
and go, well, this is great.
673
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,320
I'm going to inform my knowledge on this.
674
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,560
Like I learned color grading during that COVID period, like learn how to edit audio, learn
675
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,920
how to do a bunch of stuff.
676
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,320
So I felt like I, I didn't have knowledge before that of the full picture of filmmaking,
677
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,080
you know, cause that's, you don't like, you always like.
678
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,680
And that's going back to what we were talking about.
679
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,920
You've got to make shit before you make gold.
680
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,640
You really have to go through that experience in order to understand what works and what
681
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:40,640
doesn't work.
682
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,440
And like, now you know that you need to sit down with yourself and say, what do I want
683
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:50,060
and not take the opinions of like five other people who, unless they have good intentions
684
00:39:50,060 --> 00:39:54,480
or like, you know, they have way more experience than you, then sometimes that is appreciated
685
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,480
because you have a lot to learn still.
686
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,480
All of us do.
687
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,200
Even the best filmmakers still have things to learn.
688
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,240
But it's like that, that willingness to learn is one of the most important things.
689
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:09,480
And like, whether it's with other people or by yourself, it's like taking that time.
690
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,880
I mean, like, here's a, here's a really in-depth question for you as a narrative urgent person,
691
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:20,400
I mean, like, have you felt that a lot of people kind of like put you into a certain
692
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,640
category because, you know, like you have ADHD or, you know, were you ever kind of like
693
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,640
considered the weird kid or the different kid growing up?
694
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:36,080
Um, undiagnosed, but I think that was other issues.
695
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:41,760
So I'm not even going to say, but like, I think nowadays I can look at a lot of things
696
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:48,120
and like why I struggled with certain friendships or, and I even like understanding my sexuality
697
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,120
too.
698
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,720
Like I, I now I'm like, oh, maybe that's why I struggled with having female friendships
699
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:53,720
growing up.
700
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:57,880
Like now looking back on it, like, oh, it was ADHD, it was sexuality, it was this, it
701
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:04,360
was that, like, you know, like understanding that these things have taken, have been a
702
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:11,320
part of my life for so long, undiagnosed and to understand now how to navigate them is
703
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,000
like reworking a lot of my brain.
704
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,440
Um, yeah, it's affected so many parts of my life.
705
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,960
I mean, like, do you, do you feel like the milestones of your life have like really then
706
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:31,320
shifted like, you know, the, the way you sort of see friendships now as an adult?
707
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,320
Totally.
708
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,120
What's really interesting, actually, um, I've recently in the last like several months made
709
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:43,160
two new girlfriends who like, I met them through their boyfriends, like they are in the music
710
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,240
scene and whatever.
711
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:55,560
And they, it's so cool to have good girlfriends that like, I feel like I'm a part of something
712
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,080
because like I've always had like one-off girlfriends and like, you know, like my best
713
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,320
friend Michelle, who is on the West coast filming right now.
714
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,840
And like, you know, I've had different close friends that are just like one-offs, but I've
715
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,240
never really felt like I've been a part of a positive group.
716
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:18,040
Like that I understand now, like growing up I was, and it just wasn't, it didn't work
717
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:25,000
out well, I think, because I didn't know a lot about myself and I didn't know how to
718
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:31,760
navigate having ADHD and how that affects relationships because it really, really does.
719
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,800
And I'm still learning that.
720
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,800
But now I'm a lot more honest with myself and a lot more willing to just be like, Ooh,
721
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,320
that didn't come across right.
722
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:46,000
Or like, you know, I'm trying to figure out how to navigate having those good friendships
723
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,080
and relationships so that my ADHD doesn't affect them.
724
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,180
And like looking back on my childhood, it really did.
725
00:42:54,180 --> 00:43:01,000
And I made mistakes and I did things that I probably like, I didn't even know why, but
726
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,760
it was because I was incredibly neurodivergent and had no support in that realm.
727
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,840
And it's not because my parents were like, no, that doesn't exist.
728
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,320
It was because we didn't know.
729
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,800
We just didn't know.
730
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,680
Like I got tested when I was 10 and they said it could be mild.
731
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,880
And my mom's like, I would string that guy up.
732
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:27,880
Like, she's so like, I wish that he had done more thorough testing on you because it wasn't
733
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,040
until I was in grade 12 that I officially got diagnosed and I was already like, I'm
734
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,760
not going to university because I can't pay attention in class.
735
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:40,080
And like it had already affected my life so negatively that it was so I remember being
736
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,600
mad when I got diagnosed because I didn't know earlier.
737
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,080
And now every time like I learned something new about ADHD, I'm like, wow, would I still
738
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,480
have those friendships if I had known better of myself?
739
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,980
Would I have navigated them more?
740
00:43:56,980 --> 00:44:00,280
Would I have, you know, all of these what ifs, what ifs, what ifs, like those people
741
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,480
aren't in my life now because of a lot of things that I didn't understand about myself.
742
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,120
And I've learned from that since.
743
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:16,240
So having new friendships now has been so exciting because when things go wrong or like,
744
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:22,920
you know, when there's hard conversations, I'm so much better at being honest, at being
745
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,960
like, you know, I had a conversation with one of the girls the other day and she's like,
746
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,520
is there something going on between us?
747
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,440
Is there something wrong or whatever?
748
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,240
I'm like, not that I'm aware of.
749
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,880
And she's like, yeah, you just like seem like you're way more quiet.
750
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,360
I'm like, girl, I haven't texted my mom in like a week.
751
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,240
Like I haven't talked to Michelle in like two weeks.
752
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:42,680
Like it's nothing personal.
753
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:48,000
It's just that I like time blindness is such a big thing in my life where like I can go
754
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,560
weeks without talking to a friend.
755
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,320
And then we sit at coffee and it's like no time has passed, at least in my mind.
756
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,280
And I don't think that it's necessary to keep up with friends every single day.
757
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,160
Like I don't have long text conversations.
758
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,840
I don't have long phone calls with people like, but if I'm sitting across from them,
759
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,120
that's where I can like really tune in and like connect with that person.
760
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:15,620
So I think that might've been a part of like growing up and, you know, just not having
761
00:45:15,620 --> 00:45:20,160
that closeness with people because I was so happy to be on my own too.
762
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,160
You know?
763
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,160
So yeah.
764
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,160
I love that.
765
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,960
No, I'm, I'm the same.
766
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:32,680
I think it's also something that I've grown up and realized as I got older, cause I was
767
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:40,560
diagnosed at five and like, I think in knowing that I had the opposite problem where my mom
768
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:46,240
assumed I'd grew out of it and I didn't realize how much it impacted my adulthood as well
769
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:50,960
because I was getting into situations where I was like, I can't understand why this situation
770
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:56,680
is like difficult for me or, you know, like, it's not hard for anyone else.
771
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,640
I struggle anyway.
772
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,640
Taxes.
773
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,000
Oh, and there's, there was a great ad.
774
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,680
I remember actually talking about taxes that did talk about like people with, you know,
775
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:13,480
cause I get great tax ads, but it was talking about people with like, you know, blindness
776
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,040
towards due dates and stuff like that.
777
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,040
I have that all the time.
778
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,240
I just forget.
779
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:18,920
I just kind of like, oh shit.
780
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:19,920
Fuck.
781
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:20,920
I have that all in my calendar.
782
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,920
I will forget.
783
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:27,240
I had to call the CR and be like, girl, I'm so sorry.
784
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:28,240
I didn't realize.
785
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:31,800
I still think that we're in January or like of last year.
786
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,160
Like, yeah, she knows me now.
787
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:42,960
But I do think that's kind of like the thing of like, you know, you come into it now and
788
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,000
you just kind of get like paranoid about it.
789
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:51,040
I remember particularly like one of my friends, one of my best friends who's known me for
790
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:58,440
like 14 years now, like I, we met in high school, like, and we became like, like it
791
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,560
was a friendship that also took time because like we were both on the spectrum and both
792
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:09,800
had ADHD and like, it was one of those things, but I, that kind of worked out and we both
793
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:15,000
like catch up maybe once every three months, like she lives in Australia.
794
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,640
So it's even when I was there, I would see her maybe once every three or six months,
795
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,640
like, and she's my best friend.
796
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,520
And I was like, and some people who I, who I saw as more of acquaintances, I would see
797
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,520
more regularly.
798
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,360
I wonder why that is because I'm the same.
799
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,360
Yeah.
800
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,960
But I mean, like I kind of, the thing is, and I don't know if you've discovered this
801
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:41,960
as an adult, which I find I'm more excited by neurodivergent people than I am from neurotypical
802
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,960
people, which is scary.
803
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:48,920
They've got their life together and that's boring.
804
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:54,060
It's also like a little bit, and you know, and it was the thing about like my own sexuality
805
00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:55,560
and my own identity.
806
00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:02,120
A lot of that came out of like when I pulled myself out of like just being ADHD and then
807
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,520
I came to appreciate everything.
808
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,200
Cause a lot of it, like a lot of it you don't think of like a lot of it just sits in the
809
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,800
background and just goes, oh.
810
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,320
You're like, why is my life falling apart in all these ways?
811
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:18,240
And then you learn and you're like, whoa, my God, I could literally just be doing this,
812
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:23,040
this, this, and you know, maybe get medicated and this, this, you know, whatever.
813
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,960
And like I went on a well butane for depression.
814
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:26,960
It changed my life.
815
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,960
Oh wow.
816
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:33,280
And it doesn't work for everyone, but like it's, it's for ADHD a little bit as well.
817
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:38,800
It's helped with my ADHD and like five ants for my ADHD was horrible for me.
818
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:44,680
Like I was on like 50 milligrams and I was like buzzed out of my mind or sleeping and
819
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,840
like no in between.
820
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,620
And it just wasn't working for me.
821
00:48:48,620 --> 00:48:54,040
But now I, instead of like focusing on the medication part, I'm like focusing on the
822
00:48:54,040 --> 00:49:01,040
structure part and trying to implement structures into my life that can help me better serve
823
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,760
myself, my purpose and my career and whatnot.
824
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:06,920
But that doesn't happen every day.
825
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,680
Like, oh my God, I love doom scrolling because it's ADHD, like euphoria.
826
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,400
Oh my God.
827
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,880
It's amazing.
828
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,200
Which is, it sucks.
829
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,580
But yeah, like understanding yourself at a deeper level can like help in so many different
830
00:49:21,580 --> 00:49:24,940
areas of your life and you don't even know it until you start doing it.
831
00:49:24,940 --> 00:49:26,080
And it's hard work.
832
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,080
It's not easy.
833
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,360
It doesn't just like happen overnight.
834
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,280
But I mean, discipline is the worst thing for me.
835
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,360
Like I'm very undisciplined unless I'm like very focused on something, you know, and then
836
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:38,720
I'm like, don't talk to me.
837
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:41,800
I'm not doing anything else except for this one thing.
838
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,840
So like that's other thing, like learning, okay, if I'm not going to discipline, how
839
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:50,400
can I influence myself in other ways to get things done and do this blah, blah, blah.
840
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,040
I think that's very like crucial as well.
841
00:49:53,040 --> 00:50:01,480
And a lot of the thing that makes me laugh, you know, like in terms of my own experiences
842
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,400
with it is like structure.
843
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,400
Like I have a morning routine.
844
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,800
And this was taught to me by like one of my therapists.
845
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,880
But she was like, it's really important when you're on the spectrum, like to have a routine,
846
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,720
like a little, it's so interesting when someone tries to interfere with that routine.
847
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:22,520
Like every morning I make coffee for myself and I make coffee for my wife.
848
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,680
And that is like, and you know, do that.
849
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:25,960
And that's my first thing I do.
850
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,760
Like that's like the general routine.
851
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:35,720
And we sort of have a routine now, but I remember like some, you know, if something was thrown
852
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:40,040
off and she knows this now, she knows me so well now, but I remember like once she tried
853
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,400
to like introduce a little change and she was, she just saw me like spiral and get lost
854
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,400
in what I was trying to do.
855
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,680
And I was like, I'm like, it's not your fault.
856
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,160
Like my brain just needs to switch on, get ahead of itself.
857
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:56,200
And then like, be like, I have tasks I have like, you know, and then I can sit in chaos.
858
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:02,720
Like I can sit in a messy room working hard on photos or ideas and I'm fine.
859
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:08,560
But you know, like some people like just can't like, and I, and I particularly, I, I feel
860
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,920
like during COVID I lived on my own, which was, you know, a really eye opening thing.
861
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:18,840
Like I feel that was, I went on like, did the whole thing before about wife.
862
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,280
I went on like dating apps and you know, like, I can't put up with them.
863
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,280
I can't do it.
864
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,280
I just can't, I just can't go on.
865
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,200
Well, it's just hilarious to me now because I look back and I just go, well, you know,
866
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,040
it was the most unfriendly place for like, oh my God.
867
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,720
Yeah, for sure.
868
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:38,560
And but you know, like people go in like, and I feel like during, I don't know, like
869
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,840
I don't know if you noticed this, like post COVID everyone's social skills have gone like
870
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,040
from shit, like completely, no one knows how to interact.
871
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,360
It's cause you can't edit live.
872
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,880
You can't like people are so used to like texting and commenting on social media and
873
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,440
stuff like that.
874
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,240
And like, it's just like, sorry, I'm so far away from this.
875
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:02,280
Human interaction is so hard now because we've been so disconnected.
876
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,160
I think it might, it will be a pendulum that swings back eventually, but a hundred percent
877
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,160
it's been affected.
878
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,460
Of course.
879
00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:14,840
Do you feel like you're more like social now or less?
880
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,840
Less.
881
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:16,840
Really?
882
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:17,840
Yeah.
883
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:18,840
Don't talk to me.
884
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,840
Literally at podcast.
885
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:27,240
No, I, I'm not as social.
886
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:28,360
I'm not as social.
887
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,400
I'm not as like go get them as I used to be.
888
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,000
And I think I'm wondering if that might be part of lock and key as well of coming off
889
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,000
of that.
890
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,800
Like before lock and key, I was like, I hustled way more when it came to like modeling or
891
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:46,760
acting or like, you know, being in short student films or whatever.
892
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:58,000
But since COVID specifically, I'm, I also met my partner in 2022.
893
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,640
So like at the tail end of COVID, not really COVID anymore, but like right when I shaved
894
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,560
my head, which was about two years now.
895
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:11,960
And since moving in with him specifically, like he moved in a year ago, like I, I'm so
896
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,960
happy to stay home.
897
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:20,040
I don't want to go out and be in a lab room and spend $50 on fruity cocktails and like
898
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,720
yell to people I have no interest in talking to.
899
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:27,040
Like it's just, and then it'd be like spit in my ear.
900
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,480
Like I just, I can't, I can't do that.
901
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,560
I get so over-stimulated now.
902
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,880
When before I used to like have fun doing that.
903
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:39,080
Like I especially noticed it at TIFF where I was like, I'm going to show up to be seen,
904
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,840
not to be like, not to stay here for long.
905
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,840
Like it's more so to just be like, I'm still in the world of acting.
906
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:54,320
Like I'm still here, you know, but it's not a necessity for me to go to every single thing.
907
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:59,280
Like I'll go to the ones where I'm going to be connecting with people I know, or they
908
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:05,160
have other people to introduce me to or whatever, but I'm not searching for a party anymore.
909
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,800
I think that's also age too.
910
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,640
I mean, I'm 27 and like, I've never been someone, my mom even said when I was a kid, I didn't
911
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,320
like loud noises and I always knew when to go to bed.
912
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,400
It was always like, I always knew my time and I like that now.
913
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,920
And I think COVID really brought that forward for me.
914
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:27,640
Like it really taught me that I like going to bed at a specific time.
915
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:33,920
I like, you know, having my own space and I don't, I know, I don't really feel the need
916
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,240
to go out and socialize every single day anymore.
917
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:39,360
You know, I like my time.
918
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,000
It's so interesting that you say that as well.
919
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,000
I'm the same.
920
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,280
Like I like, one of my favorite things to do is sit at home and watch a movie with my
921
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,280
wife.
922
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,080
Like, you know, like we, we dedicate almost every night to a movie night.
923
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,960
That's what happens when you live with your best friend.
924
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:52,960
It's amazing.
925
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,280
I met this guy at a park and now I can't get rid of him.
926
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:03,040
But I mean, like it's honestly like the best thing and, but it's so funny because, you
927
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,760
know, people go, oh, that could be boring and stuff.
928
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,080
I'm like, you know what though?
929
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,840
It's not like there's nothing about it.
930
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:10,840
That's boring.
931
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:11,840
I wouldn't be doing it if it was boring.
932
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:12,840
No.
933
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:19,720
And I do think there's sort of like this, I think we get into this sort of like fear
934
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:26,520
as we get older that, you know, we're, we're surrounded by like, you know, people will
935
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,640
we, you know, but I'm like, I literally talk, talk to my wife every day and she's my best
936
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,520
friend, like out of everyone.
937
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,880
And then like, I talk to all my, all my friends.
938
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,320
Or sometimes I talk to like random people or sometimes I get to, but I'm like, I'm
939
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:41,320
never bored.
940
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,800
Like, I'll know when I'm bored.
941
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:50,120
And that's like when I'm, you know, like not stimulated, but that is never a time where
942
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:55,280
I'm always like, oh, I could go and edit a photo or I could go and do this or, you know,
943
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,920
or could write an idea down or I could go for a walk with my wife or if we could watch
944
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,580
a movie, like all these things.
945
00:56:00,580 --> 00:56:02,040
And then people go, oh, do you want to come out to it?
946
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,520
And I'm like, this is the thing I'd least like to do.
947
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,760
I'm, you know, it's funny now as well.
948
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,320
And this is, I hate parties and I hate crowded rooms.
949
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,560
I would rather hang out with people one-on-one.
950
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:18,040
That is, I love going for coffee with friends, spending a couple of like going back to that
951
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,360
thing we were saying, it's like, we've always caught up.
952
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:26,520
There's one friend of mine, I see her probably every three years and I will, and it just,
953
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,760
we always go back to that conversation and just like, no time's changed and just have
954
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:31,760
coffee.
955
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,680
And she always makes the joke of like, oh, how did we, like, I feel like we've been talking
956
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,200
for 10 minutes, but it's been like two hours.
957
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,840
I'm like, yeah, that's just like standard.
958
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,800
I like, I like house parties with that don't have really loud music.
959
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:43,800
I don't understand.
960
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:44,800
Okay.
961
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:45,800
That was very specific.
962
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:46,800
Stay with me here.
963
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:47,800
Okay.
964
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,240
I got a bone to pick.
965
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:53,400
If you're having a house party and like the music is so loud that I'm having to yell
966
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:58,320
to the person who's standing right beside me, I'm like, dude, this is your house.
967
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,880
Like you can control the levels.
968
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,520
It's not like a DJ trying to like get the speakers out across the whole club or whatever.
969
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:08,720
Like I'm literally standing in your kitchen and I can't hear the person beside me.
970
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,000
And I just, that drives me crazy.
971
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,360
Cause I'm like, house parties are small and they're intimate.
972
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,480
And I'm like, I'm there to actually talk to people.
973
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,240
Like at a club, you're there to dance and whatever.
974
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:20,240
I don't know.
975
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:27,840
I haven't been to a club in a while, but like at a house party, it just feels like, why
976
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,680
are we yelling at each other?
977
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,120
And I don't, I don't like that.
978
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,040
I like one-on-one conversations to a degree.
979
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,040
I need an out.
980
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,960
I need like a timeline that can be movable, but like, you know, I got to do my laundry
981
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:40,960
in like two hours.
982
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:48,160
Like, you know, I wouldn't say that because that's just like, that's rude, but you know,
983
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,960
like I don't, I get a little bit anxious over having one-on-one conversations unless I have
984
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,320
something to do with my hands.
985
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,120
Like I'll literally invite a friend over and be like, Hey, I got to clean my living room
986
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,560
or like, I got to fold my laundry or like, I got to paint today.
987
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:06,920
Like are you down to just bring your, bring your laptop with you and do some work?
988
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:15,120
And so like, I really, I get anxious, like the concept of going and sitting across from
989
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:20,880
someone at a coffee or something, because I just fear that like, we're going to, it's
990
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,960
going to dry up and you're not going to know what to say.
991
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,880
And then I'm going to start saying something stupid.
992
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:25,880
Like I don't know.
993
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,120
Like, and I wasn't, I wasn't like that before COVID.
994
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:35,000
I don't think I've also noticed that I don't talk to Uber drivers as much anymore, which
995
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:40,120
has been like a huge change because I used to, I used to have some really interesting
996
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,440
conversations with Uber drivers.
997
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,560
I mean, a lot of them are now just like on the phone talking to people.
998
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,600
And I just think that that's like, you know, they just are on their headsets.
999
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:50,600
I'm like, go off.
1000
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,040
Like you're driving all day.
1001
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,040
That's fine.
1002
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,520
But like, I used to talk to way more people.
1003
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,400
I just think in general out in the world, I used to talk to more people and since COVID
1004
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,840
that's completely changed.
1005
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:02,840
Yeah.
1006
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,720
I definitely, I definitely tune out a lot more.
1007
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,000
I used to do a lot of like people listening and people watching like pre COVID.
1008
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,480
I used to be like, you know, how I click gather ideas.
1009
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,240
I'd be like, Oh, I listened to this conversation over and you know, write it down, but I do
1010
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,320
a lot less of that.
1011
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,120
I kind of like, sounds really bad.
1012
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,480
But I do feel like I avoid people.
1013
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,400
I also, maybe that's selective.
1014
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,400
Yeah.
1015
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,960
It's like, it depends on the day too.
1016
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,480
You know, some days I wake up and I'm really like, I want to socialize today.
1017
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,620
But like if I make up in my head that I'm socializing, I'm socializing.
1018
00:59:38,620 --> 00:59:43,760
If I make up in my head, like if I'm like sitting in my little, my little closet makeup
1019
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:50,520
room and I'm debating not going and my brain says you're not going, like I'm not going.
1020
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,280
There is nothing you can tell me to get me out of the, this house.
1021
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:59,160
But like if I'm hell bent on doing something and like going out and socializing, I'm like,
1022
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,280
okay, this is my dedicated day of the week.
1023
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,520
Okay, I'm going to do this today and whatever.
1024
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:05,840
I love that though.
1025
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:12,520
Yeah, cause like with, with painting and like discovering yourself during the COVID years,
1026
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:17,440
what were the big like discoveries for you during the dark times?
1027
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,760
You know what is really annoying?
1028
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,720
I didn't really have a dark time with painting.
1029
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,840
Which is why is that annoying?
1030
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,680
It's annoying for everyone else for me to say that.
1031
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:28,680
Okay.
1032
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:29,680
I totally recognize that.
1033
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:39,040
I literally, I, so my brother and his now fiance and they just got engaged very slowly.
1034
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:44,560
She's amazing and they, they just, they, they got two cats, they moved in together and I
1035
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,320
was like, what do I get them for a housewarming present?
1036
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,840
I couldn't really think of anything and I was like, okay, I'll paint their cats because
1037
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,600
they love their cats more than anything and they need some decorations for the new place,
1038
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:55,600
whatever.
1039
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,240
So I painted their cats and then my neighbors, my neighbor's also an artist.
1040
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,200
I showed him and my other neighbor wanted one and then his sister wanted one of her
1041
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,800
dog who had passed.
1042
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,600
And then I posted it on social media and then more people wanted them.
1043
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,920
And it just started like, I was like, oh, I guess I have a business now.
1044
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,720
And then my, my partner's family dog passed away and I was like, okay, I want to, I want
1045
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:19,040
to do one that's a little bit more lifelike.
1046
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:25,480
And it was, it was exciting because I was like, whoa, I kind of just fell into a purpose.
1047
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,440
Like I just fell into something to wake up for in the morning.
1048
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,720
That's not just acting.
1049
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:32,720
And it's insular.
1050
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,400
I don't have to talk to drunk people.
1051
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,160
Like I don't, you know, as, as a server, I hated serving.
1052
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:46,120
Like literally at the time that I started painting, I had just been in like two sessions
1053
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:50,580
of training for a new bartending position.
1054
01:01:50,580 --> 01:01:57,080
And literally after the second bartending training day, I got the call for the screen
1055
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,960
test in Vancouver for this project that I eventually booked.
1056
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:06,440
And I also had started this pad, like literally the two weeks of that, like just beginning
1057
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,320
that new job.
1058
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:09,320
And I wrote to the girl.
1059
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:16,840
I was like, Hey, I can't do this serving job because like I've got, I'm going to Vancouver.
1060
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,220
I'm busy in other places.
1061
01:02:18,220 --> 01:02:22,840
And it was like the biggest breath of fresh air because I was like, wow, I don't have
1062
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,720
to do something I absolutely hate in order to pay the bills because that as a life of
1063
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,080
an actor, you have to do that.
1064
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:33,680
And it's, it's such a well-known game because it's amazing money for like, you know, you
1065
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:39,660
can leave and go film for a bit and come back or whatever, but I just wasn't my thing.
1066
01:02:39,660 --> 01:02:45,640
So painting was something that came into my life at the absolute best time and has been
1067
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:53,320
like the saving grace for me that's really taught me a lot about myself and how, you
1068
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,280
know, I really like that I'm always doing something new.
1069
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,360
And I mean, that's something I've known for a while.
1070
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,880
Like I get really bored when it's a mundane thing over and over again.
1071
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:09,800
But yeah, painting has been like this, this awesome little side gig that's, that's come
1072
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,640
and really instilled me with more creative energy.
1073
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:14,640
I love that.
1074
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:20,520
I mean, like, and it's really interesting because like you talk about profitability
1075
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:26,200
and you know, like is it, do you find it's very lucrative or do you find it sort of like,
1076
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,200
really?
1077
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:28,720
Oh, I don't charge cheap baby.
1078
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:29,720
Really?
1079
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,680
My time is precious.
1080
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:37,720
No, and like I only saw at first I started like, I started low because I was like, well,
1081
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,800
I don't want to like, you know, charge too much and it be whatever.
1082
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,160
And then my friend was like quoted me.
1083
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:48,760
I was like, so how much and he's, he's in the arts, like painting, visual arts.
1084
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,680
I'm like, how much would you charge for this?
1085
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:58,120
And he quoted me something that was like 10 times more than what I was charging.
1086
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,680
And I was like, no way.
1087
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:06,320
And I'm still not charging that much, but I started charging about like five times more
1088
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:11,480
and I'm working my way up because I still feel like I've still got stuff to learn, but
1089
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:18,880
it's, it is lucrative because I have, I basically looked at how much I was getting paid to work
1090
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:19,880
as an actor.
1091
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,880
And I said, okay, that's, that's, that's funny money.
1092
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:29,200
Like that's, that's like in that time, that's only specific, you know, I'm going to take
1093
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:34,960
at least a bit closer to that of my hourly, like what's my hourly?
1094
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,080
What am I making when I'm working this other job?
1095
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:45,080
I'm probably working harder as a painter than I was as an actor a lot of the time, um, to
1096
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,080
a degree.
1097
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:47,080
It depends.
1098
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:53,840
Some days are like, for example, when eating gets trapped in the glass in season two, that
1099
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,920
was really emotionally and physically taxing.
1100
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:03,320
Like that, you know, justifies it, but like there's, there's a lot of days that it's,
1101
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:08,040
it's very grueling to be on set and a lot of days that I'm like, sweet, I love this
1102
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,040
job.
1103
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,400
You know, I get to like hang out and make friends with the crew.
1104
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:16,280
Um, but for painting, I'm like, if I'm painting straight through for an hour, two hours to
1105
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:24,200
10 hours plus on a, on a project for one person, I, I need to make it lucrative for myself.
1106
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:29,480
I have to be able to pay my bills, um, with something that I'm spending that much time
1107
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:30,480
doing.
1108
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,200
I love that though.
1109
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,600
I think that's really like empowering.
1110
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,920
Um, because yeah, it's, it's funny.
1111
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:44,520
I think that the thing most artists and I, I definitely know from my, oh, you know, like,
1112
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,880
um, my wife's side of the family, like they're a bunch of artists and that, but you know,
1113
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,240
some of them don't use it as a lucrative business.
1114
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:52,920
They just go, oh, I like doing this.
1115
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:53,920
Totally.
1116
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:58,360
And I, I so support that because I think that actually brings us to a really interesting
1117
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:03,500
point I've been talking to some people about recently where in COVID there was this perfect
1118
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:07,280
opportunity for people to do art for the sake of art and not for monetizing.
1119
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:12,720
And a lot of people took that opportunity and monetized it and lost the joy of art.
1120
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:18,040
And I think that starts at a young age in school when the talented ones are separated
1121
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:24,840
from the academic ones and the academic ones who we all started drawing, like, you know,
1122
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:25,840
with paints and stuff.
1123
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:30,920
When we were kids, we all started as artists to a degree as kids because we didn't care.
1124
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:37,080
And there were no, there was no, you know, expectations as artists when we were kids.
1125
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:41,760
It was just have fun and enjoy your process and find joy and whatever.
1126
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,740
But that it's like, oh, you're good at it.
1127
01:06:43,740 --> 01:06:46,020
So like, let's push you down the artist realm.
1128
01:06:46,020 --> 01:06:47,200
You're not good at it.
1129
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,680
Let's throw you into the academic box.
1130
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:50,680
Right.
1131
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,400
And in COVID people are like, well, I'm not working right now.
1132
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,320
I'm not doing anything.
1133
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:00,520
I'm consuming art, which we're like the artist box is giving you.
1134
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:08,160
But it's like, how can how can the academics were able to experience what art was for the
1135
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,080
first time, which I think was was really cool.
1136
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:17,560
And that needs to be more of like a thing to just do art for the sake of art.
1137
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,240
You don't have to monetize it.
1138
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:25,800
I'm monetizing it because as an actor, an actor's life is not lucrative for the majority
1139
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,080
of it.
1140
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,980
It's really not.
1141
01:07:28,980 --> 01:07:34,480
It's hard to make money as an actor because when you make money, you make money, but then
1142
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:39,220
you have to make it last for potentially years of not working.
1143
01:07:39,220 --> 01:07:44,120
So for a bit I was like, oh, maybe I'm not going to make this into a business.
1144
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:48,040
And then I was like, no, I enjoy doing this and I can make money from it.
1145
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:52,960
I'm going to monetize it because I, you know, like, that's amazing.
1146
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:57,680
But I think that there should always be some kind of like right now, music is that for
1147
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:58,680
me.
1148
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:04,240
Like music is is my non lucrative joy of artistic expression.
1149
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,740
But yeah, I think everyone's different when it comes to that.
1150
01:08:07,740 --> 01:08:13,840
And I've just chosen to really like, I'm going to ask for my this amount.
1151
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:19,560
And if someone my friend said to me, if people aren't fighting you on your prices, you're
1152
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:20,840
not charging enough.
1153
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,440
And I was like, that kind of feels like a dick move.
1154
01:08:24,440 --> 01:08:28,940
And he was like, no, Haleel, that's because you think that like you have to put value
1155
01:08:28,940 --> 01:08:34,800
behind what you're making because no one else will put value unless you put value on it
1156
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,680
when it comes to art.
1157
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:37,800
I 100% agree with that.
1158
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:43,560
I think it's also something that I've really taken a step forward in just being like, you
1159
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:48,560
know, because I'm very similar to you, you know, like, but with photography, particularly
1160
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,160
that that can be quite lucrative.
1161
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:56,000
It can also be not depending on like people's trains and budgets and stuff like that.
1162
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:02,200
But I think particularly one thing I really believe in and and something I remember, I
1163
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:07,100
listened to another podcast actually about this, which is, you know, we were talking
1164
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:11,440
about like a lot of headshot photographers and a lot of like stylistic photographers.
1165
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:16,160
And the podcast was like, put in your contract and I started doing contracts this year to
1166
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:20,120
really kind of like sign off and say, this is my style.
1167
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:21,120
This is what I charge.
1168
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,280
This is what I do.
1169
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:29,020
And I remember one of the contract elements he was like, put on people need to understand
1170
01:09:29,020 --> 01:09:32,120
your style and they can't ask you to be someone else.
1171
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:36,660
He was like, very specifically put in your contract say, this is my style.
1172
01:09:36,660 --> 01:09:42,440
I do not, you know, and particularly for me, I don't change like skin tones, like I color
1173
01:09:42,440 --> 01:09:46,800
correct and like make it look nice, but I'm not going to be like, get rid of acne that's
1174
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:47,800
exist.
1175
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,080
Like I'm like, I'm not I'm not removing something that's physically on you.
1176
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,200
Like that I don't think is a fair like start.
1177
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,200
That's my choice.
1178
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,200
And that's my style.
1179
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:00,160
I remember particularly like, you know, some people were like, oh, I really want to get
1180
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,320
rid of this like sweat stain.
1181
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,040
I'm like, oh, that's fine.
1182
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:05,040
I can do that.
1183
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:10,440
I'm like, I'm not going to completely change your appearance to like make you glow.
1184
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:15,200
And they were like, oh, and I was like, it clearly says in my contract, like, that's
1185
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:16,200
just your style.
1186
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,800
That's like what you want to do if you want something different, if you want to change
1187
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:26,200
your appearance in any way that I think that's the thing is like when you are something they
1188
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:31,880
want and this is the this the client rather than us as artists, but there's always this
1189
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:36,680
and is why like, I remember, particularly this year, we were going through my dad's
1190
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:41,960
affairs and going through one of his boxes I found out like he had a contract which I'd
1191
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:46,720
never seen before because obviously he had never when he was alive, he never went and
1192
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,240
kind of said, here's all my stuff.
1193
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,120
Like he was very much like, oh, I'll keep my business to myself.
1194
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,360
But I remember he had a contract once when he was doing photos at a beach and he had
1195
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,320
to get people to sign it because he was like, well, you're in the photo.
1196
01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:59,320
Yeah.
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01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,840
So I have to have your consent to sell it.
1198
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:06,280
And it stated like this really clear like statement of like what the photo was going
1199
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,760
to be used for, what you know, like so on and so forth.
1200
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:13,560
And I really thought and I remember like he told me about his career and how like so many
1201
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:18,920
like I remember he would deal with like PR people and how he hated PR people like he
1202
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,320
thought PR people were the worst.
1203
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,700
And I remember so many times he would tell me this.
1204
01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:30,080
And I actually discovered when I did contracts and stuff, you know, like, and some agents
1205
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,320
hate, you know, certain contracts, they go, oh, I won't sign that.
1206
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:34,320
I'm like, why?
1207
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:39,040
It clearly, you know, like this is the most laid out thing.
1208
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:43,000
And it's the most helpful thing because you and I know the clarity.
1209
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:49,760
But it's down to, and this is why I think it's so hard to break the industry as a photographer
1210
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:55,560
and as an artist is because there's always someone who's been doing it for 30 years and
1211
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,120
everyone knows is amazing.
1212
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:01,080
And they're like, oh, well, they'll go with this person, like, you know, because this
1213
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:02,400
is the well known one.
1214
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,480
And I'm like, but what about like, I know I'm good.
1215
01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:07,040
So why isn't that?
1216
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,600
Well, we can always ask why not me, right?
1217
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:15,680
I mean, I can't even tell you how many times I've opened Instagram and I've seen a deadline
1218
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:22,880
article of, you know, a well known actor got a role that I auditioned for two weeks ago.
1219
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,520
Yeah, often.
1220
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,320
I've seen it a few times where it's been Neppo babies and like to each their own, like if
1221
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:33,200
a Neppo baby is doing good work, like good work is good work.
1222
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:34,960
I don't care if they're not doing good work.
1223
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:39,280
I'm a little bit bitter to each their own.
1224
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,920
Like they can try what they want to try.
1225
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:47,160
And like I have a friend whose whose father is very well known in the industry and he's
1226
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:53,200
really doing well for himself, but he does what he can to just not be seen as that man's
1227
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,960
son, like he because he wants to be known for himself.
1228
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,680
And he's just an amazing person and does amazing work.
1229
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:11,960
And so for me, like I, I need to like say it's not always going to be me and that's
1230
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:12,960
okay.
1231
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:17,200
And like there's so many reasons why not.
1232
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:23,180
But like for things that I'm comfortable with, like for my paintings, for example, getting
1233
01:13:23,180 --> 01:13:28,920
back into that, like someone asked me to do like a portrait of a person and a dog.
1234
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:33,000
And I was like, I could try that, but like I don't do people.
1235
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:34,680
Like that's not what I do.
1236
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:40,360
But I considered it because I was like, well, I want to like do what they want.
1237
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:44,720
And I was like, unless you pay me more for this, because it's something that like, this
1238
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,040
is not my typical thing.
1239
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,920
Like it kind of felt like they were expecting me to do it for free.
1240
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:55,080
And I was like, I'm not going to try, you know, something free for free.
1241
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,640
Like that's not worth my time.
1242
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:02,040
And I don't have a contract, but that's a contract I have to have for myself of my self
1243
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:09,580
worth and my value in my time, which is really difficult as artists, because in the essence
1244
01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:13,240
of what value is, it's different for everyone.
1245
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:14,240
Right.
1246
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:20,560
Like, you know, if I paint you a pet portrait, it's going to have no value to our sound guy.
1247
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:27,240
Like it's, you know, I know you're more than a sound guy, but like it's there's value
1248
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:28,240
for everyone.
1249
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:29,240
That's different.
1250
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:30,240
Right.
1251
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:35,120
And I just have to make that contract with myself that I value my time for this, this,
1252
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:36,120
this, and this.
1253
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,520
And I'm not going to like, I'm not going to sway on that.
1254
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:39,520
Yeah.
1255
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:49,440
Which I, I, I a hundred percent agree and I, I think it's like something like that really
1256
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:55,920
makes me think, think quite highly of, of the work that I do.
1257
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:00,000
And as you should, my favorite, my favorite ever.
1258
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,120
I mean, like, you know, it's, I will, I will, you know, edit the photos and one of my favorite
1259
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:15,320
things is to always like color correct and stuff, but I remember someone, I always think
1260
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:20,320
what, and I clearly state this to, you know, like when you do a photo shoot, you, before
1261
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:25,080
we hand over the files, and this is my firm belief that I was like, okay, well, I'm going
1262
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:30,200
to show you the low res to be like, these are not the final, like high res files.
1263
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,240
You don't get those until like one if pay.
1264
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:34,240
Yeah.
1265
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:40,360
And, and some of my friends are also like, if you book me, I get half a deposit.
1266
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,440
And I'm like, oh, that's a great idea.
1267
01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:50,560
And I had someone recently be like, oh, they, they liked my photos, but they didn't like
1268
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,260
how I edited them.
1269
01:15:52,260 --> 01:16:00,360
And so they wanted a refund, but, and I was like, well, no, like I've delivered that's,
1270
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:01,360
that's my work.
1271
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,160
That's, that's, you know, that, but they were like, well.
1272
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:05,160
I'm not happy.
1273
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,320
So, you know, like I want to get someone else to edit them.
1274
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:12,320
And I'm like, I'm like, that's kind of where you go into an icky.
1275
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:13,320
It's a weird spot.
1276
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:14,320
Yeah, I know.
1277
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:21,240
And I'm, I'm always like of the belief of like, don't hire someone or like, um, and
1278
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,200
waiver, you know, like the dollar sign.
1279
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:30,160
I like this, this, this person was also a friend of mine, so it was a little bit different.
1280
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,160
Yeah.
1281
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:36,920
And I was like, but I think the complication was originally I was just trying out.
1282
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,000
Like I was not even thinking these were going to be good photos.
1283
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,860
Like I was like, and I had offered the situation, but like, I'm going to do this for nothing.
1284
01:16:42,860 --> 01:16:45,080
And she was like, oh, I kindly want to pay you for your time.
1285
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:46,080
I was like, that's fine.
1286
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,800
But then she didn't like how they were edited.
1287
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,920
So I was like, well, this is an awkward situation because it's like, I respect you as a, well,
1288
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:59,120
could you have like, that's when you have to say, like, how do you, how would you like
1289
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:04,280
the, if you want to change, like, let's have a discussion rather like a black or white
1290
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:05,280
situation, right?
1291
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:06,640
It was very black and white.
1292
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,160
There wasn't like, I said, Hey, let's have a zoom chat or let's have a combo.
1293
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:11,160
No, none of that.
1294
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:16,720
So it's very, I mean, like, and I remember thinking about this and going like, there
1295
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:22,240
are some times, um, like people just, it doesn't matter.
1296
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,480
You know, they just, they're never going to be happy with something.
1297
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:30,840
Or you, you do the best product, like I remember like another one of my friends had said, had
1298
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:35,120
done a movie poster for someone had said, this is the amount that I charge.
1299
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,880
And person was like, no worries.
1300
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:37,880
I'll take it.
1301
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,720
And then got the, you know, the low rise and was like, Oh, I'm not paying that.
1302
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,300
This is only worth this.
1303
01:17:44,300 --> 01:17:48,320
And he was like, no, but that's the thing is like value is different for everyone.
1304
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,320
And that's why you have to stay true to your value.
1305
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:52,320
Yes.
1306
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:53,320
Right.
1307
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:54,520
And you cannot waver on that.
1308
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,720
No, but some people are very like, of course you're going to find bitches everywhere.
1309
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,480
You're going to find so many difficult people.
1310
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:06,360
And usually the most difficult people are the ones who are trying to get the discount.
1311
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,520
Not the people who are willing to pay full price because they trust that your work is
1312
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,800
going to be exactly what they're looking for.
1313
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,280
And like it's so well known.
1314
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:21,520
It's so well known in the art and the industry in general that like the people who are looking
1315
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:26,160
to get that discount are always going to be the most difficult.
1316
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,520
I remember like the best deal I've ever gotten.
1317
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:34,520
And one of my best friends to this day lives over in LA.
1318
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,200
And recently I got married, which is very exciting for him.
1319
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:43,680
But I remember he, when we were starting out in the films together, he needed like, he
1320
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,160
was like, Oh, I can't do freebies for you.
1321
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,920
Like, and I was like, okay, well what's, what's a fair amount?
1322
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,720
And he was like, I can do 50 bucks a day to do sound.
1323
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,080
And I was like, are you sure?
1324
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,760
And he was like, yeah, you know, we've known each other for a couple of years at this point.
1325
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:58,760
I was like, Oh, okay.
1326
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,120
If you're happy with that, it was a gift.
1327
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:01,320
You can just swing me 50.
1328
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,280
I was like, that is enough for petrol, food, everything.
1329
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:05,280
He was happy.
1330
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:12,280
I remember like now he does dialogue editing for a bunch of shows and stuff like that.
1331
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:19,000
I remember he was just, he is always like still to this day, been like, Oh, if you need
1332
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:23,040
something done for like low key or nothing, just be wary.
1333
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,640
Like that if a big project comes up, I need to take that as priority.
1334
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,280
Cause that's like where my money comes from.
1335
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,680
And I'm like, I am not doubting that.
1336
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:31,680
And that's the thing.
1337
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:32,760
It's like, it's an open conversation.
1338
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,760
He's not going, Oh, I'm going to screw you around.
1339
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,560
He's like, well, if you don't have a fixed deadline, that kind of makes my life easier.
1340
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:45,600
And whereas like, you know, if a Netflix show, like he did cowboy and B-pop, I think two
1341
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:50,560
years ago and he said like, yeah, that took up like so much of his time.
1342
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,320
Well, that's the same with me is that like, I, if I were to make a contract, I would say
1343
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:59,360
like it's hard because like Christmas season is coming and everyone wants everything.
1344
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,440
And a lot of people aren't even thinking about what they are going to get for Christmas.
1345
01:20:02,440 --> 01:20:06,120
So I'm probably going to get like an influx of messages being like, pay my dog for my
1346
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:10,280
partner and like, like December 12th.
1347
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,280
And I simply am like, I'm not doing that.
1348
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:17,880
But if I were to do some kind of contract, it would be like, I can promise you within
1349
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:22,000
like a month to two month range.
1350
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,640
I can't do them less than that.
1351
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,440
I just, unless there's like an express order, there's a reason you need it within the next
1352
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:28,440
two weeks.
1353
01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:32,160
But two months is like for me, like, I don't know what's happening in my life.
1354
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,480
Like I can't promise anything.
1355
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:38,760
If a show comes up, that's priority.
1356
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:39,760
It is.
1357
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:44,280
And like, I don't have my dates yet for December for this new project, but like I'm trying
1358
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:50,140
my hardest to try to get everything done before I potentially get a call saying like, Hey,
1359
01:20:50,140 --> 01:20:54,480
you have to fly out to Vancouver in like four days to start this project.
1360
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:58,260
And I'm like, Oh, well I have like eight paintings to do.
1361
01:20:58,260 --> 01:21:02,300
So I can't put, I've promised them already.
1362
01:21:02,300 --> 01:21:03,760
It's going to be there by Christmas.
1363
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:07,360
So like in general, it's like if something else comes up, that's like my main focus in
1364
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:08,360
my career.
1365
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,900
My number one focus in my career is, is acting.
1366
01:21:10,900 --> 01:21:12,640
It's not painting.
1367
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:18,320
No, but it's, and I think that's the reason I love that as well.
1368
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:22,200
It's like, you know, it's, it's lucrative, it's fun for you.
1369
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:27,100
And then also you've got the music, which is nice little like fun things.
1370
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:31,160
But then you're like, I would, you know, you'd be kidding yourself to be like, okay, well
1371
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:36,080
this is all like the, you know, it's like, well I've got this big gig on this movie or
1372
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:37,080
this show.
1373
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:38,920
And then just be like, I need to focus on that.
1374
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,780
Like, you know, and the same thing goes for anyone.
1375
01:21:42,780 --> 01:21:48,240
And I think this is really like, this is down to like also just like the type of personality
1376
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:49,240
you got.
1377
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:55,200
I think it's, it's very like, you know, structurally when we get excited for things, but then we
1378
01:21:55,200 --> 01:22:01,080
prioritize other things, just being transparent is better than being like, Oh, I'm going
1379
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:06,160
to, Oh, I, you know, and, but some people, you know, like people going back to bitches
1380
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,360
be bitches kind of thing in the industry.
1381
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:15,240
Like I think the best people to work with are genuinely the people who are on the same
1382
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:16,240
page as you.
1383
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:20,520
They're like, they're like, okay, you know, but it is, there is something to be said about
1384
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,520
people who aren't on the same page, but are willing to flip their own.
1385
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:25,520
Yeah.
1386
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:31,600
So you're you being willing to flip your own in a way to like understand both pages and
1387
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:37,780
like see how you can learn from their perspective and why they're on a different page from you.
1388
01:22:37,780 --> 01:22:42,760
If they're stubborn enough to never flip that page, then that's not going to be a cohesive
1389
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,200
work environment at all.
1390
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:50,360
I think it also shows a like the skill set of us as artists though.
1391
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:57,000
It's like knowing, going back to that value thing and knowing like, um, you know, like
1392
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,360
our worth and our value.
1393
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:09,600
If someone said to you, Hey, um, you're, you're not like up here, you'd be like, well, fuck,
1394
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:10,800
I know I am.
1395
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:16,120
Like I know I'm, I'm, you know, like, I'm not going to believe you because I have like
1396
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,040
goes back to that self value and knowing.
1397
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:25,480
And I think that comes also from a resilience of ADHD and the neurodiverse like thought
1398
01:23:25,480 --> 01:23:34,800
process because we work in such a way and in such a unique way that is, that is hard.
1399
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:40,380
Like, and I think going, I've never done anything like under 110%.
1400
01:23:40,380 --> 01:23:44,720
So I get very like, and one of the, one of the things I think that's also thrown around
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01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:51,520
like post COVID, uh, is the word like people don't know what the word professional means
1402
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:58,400
anymore, which I feel is a very like, you know, um, cause the amount of, you know, like
1403
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,880
one of the things I have to deal with is reading a lot of emails in my day job.
1404
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:07,000
And even outside, like I write a little, you know, like I'll make sure the email sounds
1405
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:11,080
professional, like all these things, the amount of responses sometimes I get from people who
1406
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:17,680
are not the most professional response or have sometimes been like really quite badly
1407
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:24,160
praised or they like, they're, you know, um, they, you know, like, you know, people don't
1408
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:30,280
like cold emails and you know, sometimes you get rude responses and I'm like reading and
1409
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:31,960
going, what the fuck?
1410
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:36,140
Like, you know, like, I'm like, you're, you're meant to have your shit together.
1411
01:24:36,140 --> 01:24:38,080
Like you're meant to be like, here's the thing.
1412
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:39,080
No one does.
1413
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:40,280
No, no one does.
1414
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:41,440
No one has their shit together.
1415
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:46,240
And anyone who thinks that people, everyone should like, that's the thing though.
1416
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:47,840
No one has their shit together.
1417
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,880
That is one thing to like write a proper email.
1418
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,880
But I also think that Gen Z is influencing that.
1419
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:59,280
And it's just like, you know, they're really, they're really saying it how it's, how it's
1420
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:07,320
no fluff, you know, but everyone is so uncertain on what they're doing that they're all kind
1421
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,680
of, I feel like a lot of us are just like throwing shit at the wall and seeing what
1422
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:11,680
sticks.
1423
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,760
Like that's, that's a lot of like so many people's experiences.
1424
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:23,420
I definitely agree that I think it's also, it's just, it's sort of exciting, exciting
1425
01:25:23,420 --> 01:25:28,120
and also petrifying at the same time, because like the one thing I love, you know, getting
1426
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:31,600
to do things like this, which is, you know, one of my favorite things to do is sitting
1427
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,480
down and then like, oh, having an open conversation.
1428
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:37,200
The how that ever develops.
1429
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:41,120
I mean, like I knew the day we first spoke, I knew it was going to go like a house on
1430
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:46,000
fire, but I do think that there's, I've definitely had my fair share of like people I'm like,
1431
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,320
I don't know how this is going to pan out or I don't know if this person is going to
1432
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:50,320
like the experience.
1433
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:55,800
And that is like, just, just the tumultuous like nature of being an interviewer.
1434
01:25:55,800 --> 01:26:03,280
I remember like, particularly, not that this ever happened to me, but listening to like
1435
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:07,760
other interviewers, like who have had bad experiences with guests or like stuff like
1436
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:08,760
that.
1437
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,240
You do hear the horror stories of just like someone going, um, I remember like this was
1438
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,140
when I worked for TV.
1439
01:26:14,140 --> 01:26:19,020
We had like, especially when you're known, this is the funniest thing when you're known
1440
01:26:19,020 --> 01:26:24,400
for something throughout your career that doesn't leave you even when you're 80, like
1441
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:28,900
your entire career is based upon like this one thing you did when you were 20 and everyone
1442
01:26:28,900 --> 01:26:31,880
wants to talk about that because that's the thing they remember you the highlight of your
1443
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:36,960
career and my mom once said to me, she was like, you know, maybe locking key was that
1444
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:37,960
you don't know.
1445
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:45,040
And I'm like, I refuse to have that come true because she was trying to support me.
1446
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:49,160
She was like trying to like, you know, because I was like, I mean, I haven't booked anything.
1447
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,160
And this was before I booked this project.
1448
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,640
And like, that was the scariest thing, but continuing.
1449
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,600
I love that.
1450
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:56,600
But that's my point.
1451
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:01,560
Like this one artist who had done heaps of stuff and all this interview.
1452
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:08,320
And it was like with like this really refined journalist and he was like, oh, I just, you
1453
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,880
know, like the guy stormed out and he was like, I don't want to talk about this.
1454
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:13,200
Like if you don't want to ask me.
1455
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:17,400
I mean, there are certain things that like if they storm out, like with I think like
1456
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,360
Robert Downey Jr. the guy kept on pushing on something he didn't want to talk about.
1457
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:22,840
And like that's totally justified.
1458
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:24,120
Oh, a hundred percent.
1459
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:28,280
Like if you don't want to talk about but like this was the this was like he had been asked
1460
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:33,480
by different news channels about this one thing he had done like 50 years ago where
1461
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:35,400
it was like he was like, I've moved on.
1462
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,640
Like it wasn't it was just like a funny story.
1463
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:38,640
Yeah.
1464
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:39,880
And he was like, oh, like a funny role he'd done.
1465
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:41,920
And everyone was like, oh, we remember you from this film.
1466
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,200
And he was like, why are people still talking about this?
1467
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:46,880
I've like done heaps since then.
1468
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:52,960
I mean, that would be annoying though, because, you know, repeating the same things over and
1469
01:27:52,960 --> 01:28:02,200
over again does get taxing because there's not really any other like what other occupation
1470
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,560
has that right.
1471
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:13,280
And imagine like I've done press calls and press circuits and I haven't done enough of
1472
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,480
them to like hate myself for them.
1473
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:19,320
You know, like, you know, when it gets to the point where you're like they're checked
1474
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:20,840
out like you've seen.
1475
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:25,720
You've all seen press circuit videos of people who are checked out.
1476
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,080
And I'm like, I feel for them.
1477
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:33,080
I really genuinely do, because I have been in them where like how many times have I been
1478
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,320
asked if you could make a key, what key would you make?
1479
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:42,960
Like for locking key, like, you know, if you could like and I think that's what I find
1480
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:51,280
separates good journalism and kind of like pop journalism, where it's like there's a
1481
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:58,940
lot of like the questions which are just regurgitated or they aren't thought through.
1482
01:28:58,940 --> 01:29:03,800
And then like a journalist comes around and asks you a question you've never been asked.
1483
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:10,080
And so I understand to counter your point of like of why actors would storm out or I
1484
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:14,600
mean, storming out is a bit dramatic, but or just like get fed up with it because it's
1485
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,640
like, can someone ask me something else?
1486
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:20,800
Or like, can someone can we talk about what I'm doing right now, especially if a journalist
1487
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:26,280
is asking questions about a project that they did like years ago when they're trying to
1488
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:30,360
promote something new and they're trying to start something new and they're trying to
1489
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:33,760
like move on from where they were in the past.
1490
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:37,000
It's like as an actor, you kind of get stuck in that a lot of times.
1491
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:45,400
And I think that's also a part where I've in my brain kind of justified, not justified,
1492
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:50,560
but like accepted that Eden gets killed off and like the end of season two.
1493
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,280
And it wasn't like a five, six season thing.
1494
01:29:53,280 --> 01:30:00,960
We only did three seasons, but I'm really glad that Lock and Key was as big as it was.
1495
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:08,520
And I got the role that I got because I think if it was any bigger and if the role went
1496
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:13,560
on for any more seasons, that's the character I would be seen as for years.
1497
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:18,160
And I think Eden was enough of time where I feel like I got my foot in the door.
1498
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:22,600
I got an opportunity to show what the skills that I have to the world and I got to have
1499
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:26,000
fun, make connections, you know, do the work.
1500
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:32,480
But it didn't keep it. I don't think it has a choke hold on me because I think like I
1501
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:33,480
went and did.
1502
01:30:33,480 --> 01:30:36,960
We forgot to break up by Karen Knox.
1503
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:42,480
And that was like a small indie production that shot up in North Bay.
1504
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:43,920
And it was incredible.
1505
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,560
And I had a shaved head dyed manic panic pink.
1506
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:53,040
Like it was so cool to be able to do something that was completely the opposite of Eden because
1507
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:58,800
now it's like I don't think that 20 years from now, I'm only going to be asked about
1508
01:30:58,800 --> 01:30:59,800
Lock and Key.
1509
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,320
Like right now, it makes sense to be asked about Lock and Key.
1510
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:07,040
I'm not getting on you about that, but like it makes sense because that's the most notable
1511
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:08,400
thing I've done.
1512
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,280
And I recognize that 100 percent.
1513
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:15,040
But like I said, at the very beginning of this, like I'm just at the beginning of my
1514
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:19,920
career and like I think I'm every time I get asked about Lock and Key, I'm happy to talk
1515
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:20,920
about it.
1516
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:26,600
But if someone was asking me about it like 20 years later that an interviewer five minutes
1517
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:32,360
before had also asked me about it, like that'd be freaking annoying, you know, because people
1518
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:39,760
are ever evolving and to be constantly be brought back into something that you did years
1519
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,200
and years and years ago.
1520
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:46,080
It kind of stunts evolution of human character because you're constantly being pinned as
1521
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:47,840
that person at that.
1522
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:49,920
And people just see you as that.
1523
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:55,360
Like watching Lord of the Rings and like, you know, I knew Orlando Bloom from Pirates
1524
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:56,360
of the Caribbean.
1525
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:57,360
Amazing.
1526
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:02,720
He also did those within years of each other, like within like two years he was doing Lord
1527
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,960
of the Rings and Pirates of the Caribbean.
1528
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,960
Like man had a great time.
1529
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:12,840
But like, you know, I don't just see him as Legolas.
1530
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:18,360
Like I don't see like but he'll be brought up as Legolas because it's an iconic franchise.
1531
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:22,320
And he's happy to talk about it because it was an amazing experience.
1532
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:29,080
So there are there's like a scale to which like I think it makes sense that someone would
1533
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,200
be like, oh my god, stop asking me about it.
1534
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,960
But I'm still at the place in my career where I'm like happy to.
1535
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:36,200
Oh, yeah.
1536
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:42,760
But I just think that's kind of like the joy of looking back and also like something I
1537
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:45,920
can't wait, you know, when I'm 70.
1538
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,320
100% and there's so much joy to looking back is just how many times.
1539
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:50,320
Oh, yeah, 100%.
1540
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:55,200
And I think I think like to summarize it, I think Hugh Grant did it the best when he
1541
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:56,840
was promoting Wonka.
1542
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:02,080
And he said he said like I'm at that stage of my career where I play an umpa umpa and
1543
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,480
that is like it was like I don't care.
1544
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:07,080
I do weird roles now.
1545
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:10,240
And he recently did heretic.
1546
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,280
That's the the Mormon girls come to the door, right?
1547
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,160
I don't like scary movies.
1548
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:16,160
He's brilliant.
1549
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:17,440
But I know I've seen it.
1550
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:18,800
I've seen the trailer and stuff.
1551
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:23,600
It looks freaky, like with the blueberry pie candle and stuff like, oh my god.
1552
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,760
And he's the last person I would have thought to do a horror film.
1553
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:28,760
But I think that's why he's doing it.
1554
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:29,760
Yes.
1555
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:30,760
Yeah.
1556
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:32,600
And he was the first person I like.
1557
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:36,640
I watched the press junket that and I was the first person brought on for it.
1558
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:41,720
And they were like, we need someone good to play the villains that any just like the he
1559
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:42,720
sells it.
1560
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:43,720
That's the thing.
1561
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:47,960
I love that he's gone from like, that's how we redefined his career.
1562
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:51,600
He's gone from this dashing young, really like he's still dashing.
1563
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:52,600
Oh, he's still dashing.
1564
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:53,600
Oh my god.
1565
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:59,000
Like, like they the best story out of it was, he said in an interview said, oh, with the
1566
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:03,720
my two co stars, we went out to dinner after we'd shot everything.
1567
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:07,760
And we were suddenly all out of character, how we dressed like everything.
1568
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:12,560
And they were just taken aback with how nice he was because he's so manipulative and evil
1569
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,480
in the film.
1570
01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:16,200
But they were like, you're just so lovely.
1571
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:17,200
Yeah.
1572
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:21,280
And he was like, oh, you're not as you know, his two co stars grew up Mormon.
1573
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:26,160
And he was like, oh, you're not as kind of like religious or, you know, you know, like
1574
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a Mormon.
1575
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:30,560
And it was just so interesting because he talked about it so fondly.
1576
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,840
And he was like, it was the sort of like best experience.
1577
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:38,400
And that's a set that like you can tell even and this is the thing I always agree with
1578
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:42,840
and you know, is you can tell when people loved working with each other on set, that
1579
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:44,920
is a set that everyone just had a blast.
1580
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:46,960
Like the hours were worth it.
1581
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:50,160
The film is like a rant about how good that film is.
1582
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:56,440
But you know, I think there's very certain things that when you look at career milestones
1583
01:34:56,440 --> 01:35:00,640
and some of my, you know, like some things that I've considered my best work are the
1584
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:05,740
ones where I go, that was a great experience because I felt like everything kind of fell
1585
01:35:05,740 --> 01:35:13,560
into place and it's like this joyous, you know, and I think that's also like maybe why
1586
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:18,760
there's probably an element for Lock and Key going to stick around for you, which will,
1587
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:23,960
you know, when you have other roles as well, you might have like a category, like, you
1588
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:28,760
know, every like, you know, there might be like per decade, but you might be like everyone
1589
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:33,080
remembers Lock and Key because it was that sort of like time and then everyone remembers
1590
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:37,920
this other project that I did, you know, when I was, you know, 30 something or, you know,
1591
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,840
40 something or, you know, like wherever you are in your timeline.
1592
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:44,560
And I think that's really cool because you can kind of be like, it's like those variety
1593
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:48,720
things where people look back at their career and they go, oh, this is what I did.
1594
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:49,720
Which is so cool.
1595
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:50,720
And that's my goal.
1596
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:54,880
One day I want to be on the variety.
1597
01:35:54,880 --> 01:36:00,000
One day I want to be sitting down in variety going through my life, going through all of
1598
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:06,640
like the looks, all of the outfits, you know, like I watch those videos and I say, yeah,
1599
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:07,640
that's my future.
1600
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:11,440
I just hope I hope because that is so my thing.
1601
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:15,480
I want to be like because like I outfits for me and I know this is a little bit of like
1602
01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:21,320
a random term, but like outfits for me are like emotions, experiences and even like the
1603
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:23,200
Lock and Key outfits.
1604
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,560
This is actually an Eden sweater.
1605
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:31,440
Yeah, who can figure out where it came from?
1606
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:37,160
But like I can remember why we chose it, how it came to be, like how it felt to wear it
1607
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,040
in that scene and why and blah, blah, blah.
1608
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:44,720
And like that's kind of the thing where like I look at those variety like interviews and
1609
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:49,640
I'm like, wow, that's such an important part of life is those different milestones and
1610
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:54,400
like how you're dressing in that time, at least for me, because clothing, clothing is
1611
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,720
important to me.
1612
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:59,880
It's just like, wow, those different milestones that you hit through your life.
1613
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:03,200
But yeah, one day variety.
1614
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:07,520
Also the roundtable, the, the, oh, the yes, I know the one you're talking about.
1615
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,560
Hollywood reporter roundtable.
1616
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,720
I would, I would, I believe it.
1617
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:12,720
I believe it.
1618
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:13,720
I believe it.
1619
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:14,720
I believe it.
1620
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:15,720
Thank you.
1621
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:16,720
I'm going to have to wrap this up though.
1622
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:20,520
I could like, honestly, I could talk to you all day though.
1623
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:21,960
Like you're like so much fun.
1624
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:22,960
I'm a chatter.
1625
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:24,960
I'm a yapper.
1626
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:26,120
I like to yap.
1627
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:28,280
I think that's great.
1628
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,960
My final question for you though is where can people find you on the internet?
1629
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:31,960
Where can they stalk you?
1630
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,720
I love how you asked that because what else is it?
1631
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:36,720
You know, I know.
1632
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:37,720
What else is it?
1633
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:46,400
Like truly, primarily my Instagram, uh, at Haleah Jones, H-A-L-L-E-A-J-O-N-E-S.
1634
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:47,840
And primarily all my stories.
1635
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,760
I don't like posting to my main feed a lot.
1636
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:50,760
It gives me anxiety.
1637
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:55,560
I just feel like Instagram has taken a really weird turn with Reels.
1638
01:37:55,560 --> 01:38:02,000
Like I started in 2017, 2015 or something and it's just been really, really weird.
1639
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,160
So I like to hide in my stories.
1640
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:08,680
Um, I guess Twitter doesn't exist anymore.
1641
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:12,080
And uh, I actually have a threads account, which is, which is cool because it's like
1642
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:19,920
primarily like females and like, yeah, gals, gals talking about gal things, you know?
1643
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:20,920
Yeah.
1644
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:22,360
It's very queer forward.
1645
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:23,840
It's very like welcoming.
1646
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:25,760
It's just like, I just love it.
1647
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:26,760
It's just amazing.
1648
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:32,360
Um, I get stuck on there a lot as I recently, that's why I say it cause I'm like, I've spent
1649
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:33,360
too much time.
1650
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:35,360
Um, but yeah, Instagram's my primary.
1651
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:36,360
Oh my God.
1652
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:37,360
I love this.
1653
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:40,800
Well, everyone go and stalk Haleah.
1654
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:45,240
If honestly, I have like almost a thousand posts or something.
1655
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:47,840
If you go down, I've taken out the things that I don't want people to see.
1656
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,480
If you go down, you could see like so many chapters of my life.
1657
01:38:51,480 --> 01:38:54,360
I'm not even kidding.
1658
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:59,760
Like I'm, I won't even be like weirded out because like I support it because I have so
1659
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,280
much interesting life on my Instagram.
1660
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:03,280
It's crazy.
1661
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:04,280
Oh my God.
1662
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:05,280
So yeah, that's how you can stalk me.
1663
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:08,280
Just don't be weird about it.
1664
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:10,000
Well, thank you so much for joining me.
1665
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,000
Thanks for having me.
1666
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,000
This has been so much fun.
1667
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,000
Yeah.
1668
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,520
Um, and if you want to go and check out more episodes of the things we do, you can check
1669
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:17,120
them out on Apple and Spotify.
1670
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:20,040
I'll be speaking with another guest next week and I'll speak to you later.
1671
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:21,040
Goodbye.
1672
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:48,040
Bye.