ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Culture can shift in a single meeting and not because you delivered a better speech. It shifts because someone’s behavior spreads quietly, fast, and often without permission. We break down behavioral contagion, the leadership idea that explains why calm, clarity, and accountability can ripple through a team, and why panic, sarcasm, and chronic lateness can do the same. If you’ve ever walked into a room and felt the mood hit you before a word was spoken, you already understand the stakes.
To help you redesign what spreads, we walk through the SPREAD framework: signal, permission, reward, ease, adoption, durability. You’ll learn how to spot the signals you send, what you’ve unintentionally tolerated, what rewards are paying for the wrong patterns, and how to make better habits friction-light using scripts and simple phrases. We close with a practical seven-day challenge to become a behavior spotter, install a replacement behavior, reinforce it in real time, and protect it when pressure hits.
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Meet the Host
Jay Johnson works with people and organizations to empower teams, grow profits, and elevate leadership. He is a Co-Founder of Behavioral Elements®, a two-time TEDx speaker, and a designated Master Trainer by the Association for Talent Development. With a focus on behavioral intelligence, Jay has delivered transformational workshops to accelerate high-performance teams and cultures in more than 30 countries across four continents. For inquiries, contact jay@behavioralelements.com or connect below!
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Hello, everyone.
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Thanks for tuning in.
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It's been a little while since our last drop, and we're making a few changes here at the Talent Forge.
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Moving forward, you can expect more solo missions, more practical tools, and more actionable tactics.
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Well, and a few guests here sprinkled in along the way.
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The shift's coming by popular request.
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Honestly, it feels right.
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I've been asked to share more insights about the experiences I've had in working with different organizations over my past 20 years and what's actually working and what's not.
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So that's what you're going to get.
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The goal is simple.
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Give you useful ideas you can apply immediately to shape behavior, strengthen leadership, and build better workplaces.
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So today we're going to explore one of the most important aspects, in my humble opinion, of culture and behavior.
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Something we call behavioral contagion.
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Now, this sounds more academic than it actually is.
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And I know it sounds like something you can catch from touching the wrong conference room door handle.
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But it's actually one of the most practical leadership ideas we can understand.
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Behavioral contagion is very simple.
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It literally means behavior is a super spreader.
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That's it.
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The way people act at work spreads from one person to another person, from team to team, and from meeting to meeting.
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Sometimes that can be a great thing.
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You know, when we think about something like calm, well, that spreads.
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Clarity, that can spread.
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Accountability, curiosity, good meeting habits.
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Those all spread because we see them and we reenact them.
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But let's be honest, so does some of those maladaptive behaviors that we see.
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Complaining, panic, sarcasm, lateness.
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One person's late, guess what?
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If it's not corrected, many people are going to follow suit.
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So does something like, just send it to me and I'll fix it myself, because apparently that's my life now.
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Behavior spreads.
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If you've ever walked into a room and immediately felt the mood of that room before anybody even said a word, you probably already know that this is true.
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You feel it.
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You walk into one meeting and people are sharp, tense, short with each other, nobody's looking up, everyone's half listening, the energy's weird.
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Within about five minutes, you're gonna probably start feeling weird too.
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You don't even know how this happens.
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You're like, why am I annoyed?
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I was fine 10 minutes ago.
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I had coffee, I had hope, I had a life.
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Then you walk into another meeting, completely different.
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People are focused, clear, respectful, maybe even laughing a little bit.
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The leader starts it on time.
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Somebody actually says what the meeting's for, which, let's be honest, already feels like a small miracle.
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And suddenly you feel more subtled.
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That's contagion.
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We tend to think culture is created by all the big stuff, you know, the mission statement, the values, the strategy deck, the all-staff meeting, the laminated post.
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I saying it is even funny, you know, that we've been hanging on a break room door since 2017.
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Don't get me wrong, those things can matter.
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But culture is not mainly what gets announced.
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It's not the values on the walls, it's the behavior in the halls.
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Culture is essentially what gets repeated.
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It's what people see over and over again until they decide, oh, this is how we do things around here.
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And that's a piece I'm going to sit with today.
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Because every workplace is teaching people how to behave all the time.
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Not just in training, not just during onboarding, not just when the leader is giving a big inspiring message with the good lighting and the carefully chosen words.
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The real training is happening in daily moments.
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It's happening in the Monday morning meeting, it's happening in the hallway conversations after meeting, in a slack thread, when someone makes a mistake, when a deadline's missed, when someone tells the truth and everyone silently looks at the table.
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When the most negative person in a room gets the most airtime, it's happening when the person who does heroic, unhealthy, last-minute work gets praised more than the person who planned ahead and prevented a fire.
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That's the real culture classroom.
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People are always watching.
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And they're not just watching leaders, they're watching everyone.
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They're watching who gets listened to, who gets interrupted, who gets away with things, who's allowed to be difficult.
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And from those moments, they learn what is safe, what is normal, and what is rewarded.
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That's behavioral contagion.
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Now, this matters because most leaders are trying to change culture by explaining culture.
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They say things like, we need better communication, we need more accountability, we need people to be proactive.
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We live in a culture of ownership.
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And those are great ideas, but the issue is that nobody's changing because we said the word accountability six times in a meeting.
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If that worked, every organization in the world would be crushing it.
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People change when behavior becomes visible, repeatable, reinforced, and safe enough to copy.
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That's the magic.
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Not complicated, not easy, but not complicated.
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Let me give you an example here.
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Let's say you want a better accountability on your team.
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So you tell people, we need more accountability, we're gonna focus on this, do what we're gonna say, do what we say we're gonna do.
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Everybody nods.
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Of course they nod.
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Nobody's gonna sit there and be like, actually, I'm anti-accountability.
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Huge fan of chaos, love a miss deadline.
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So everybody just agrees.
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But then the meeting ends without clear owners, deadlines, next steps, actionable items.
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The next meeting starts with, where are we on that thing?
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Nobody knows who had the thing.
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Somebody thought somebody else had the thing.
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Someone says, I thought we were still discussing the thing.
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And now everyone is staring at each other like a group project in high school.
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That team doesn't have accountability attitude problem.
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They have accountability behavioral problem.
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The behavior that needs to spread is not be accountable.
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The behavior that needs to spread is before we leave a meeting, we confirm the decision, the owner, the deadline, and the first next step.
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That's it.
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That's the behavioral focus.
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And once people start seeing that happen every time it spreads, someone else starts doing it, people start expecting it, people feel uncomfortable leaving a meeting without it.
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That's when you know the behaviors become part of the culture.
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It went from something a leader said to something the group does.
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That's a huge difference.
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Let's take another one.
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Urgency is something I hear constantly in different organizations.
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It's one of the most contagious workplace behaviors on the planet.
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Urgency can be great when it means that we're getting the right job done, the right stuff done for the right clients or for the right purpose.
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But urgency can also become firefighting real quick and spread faster than birthday cupcakes in the break room.
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One person sends an email marked urgent.
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Another person marks their urgent thing because they need attention to.
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Suddenly everything is urgent.
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And we all know when everything's urgent, nothing's actually prioritized.
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It all becomes emotional and organizational noise and chaos.
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Now the team's not working from strategy, they're working from whoever panics the loudest.
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That's not a system, that's a group anxiety project.
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The contagious behavior is not productivity, it's panic.
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And here's the uncomfortable part.
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A lot of organizations continue to reward panic.
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They may not mean to, but they do it.
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The person who drops everything and saves the day gets praised.
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Or that guy that answers messages at 11:30 at night gets called dedicated.
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The woman who says yes to everything seems to be a great team player versus the person that says no and actually draws a healthy boundary.
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The person who quietly absorbs impossible expectations gets trusted with even more impossible expectations.
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And if you're a leader or manager that is delegating, check and see how you're delegating.
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Because I'm going to bet you give the biggest, hardest, most labor-intense projects to the people you trust the most.
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That's just a natural human thing.
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Why not?
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How do we become confused when people are burned out at that point?
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The system's been teaching us exactly what to do.
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Be available, be reactive, be heroic, don't make trade-offs.
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That behavior spreads because it works in the short term.
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It's one of the key principles here.
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Behavior that works gets repeated.
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And works does not always mean healthy, or works short term is not always an indication of long-term success.
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Sometimes the reward can be something as simple as getting attention, uh, avoiding conflict, protecting somebody's status or ego, getting approval, getting a leader off your back, or making an uncomfortable conversation go away.
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So these can all be great in the short term.
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They may make us feel good right now, but in the long term, there's a price.
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And it's one that organizations continue to pay because they're not actually rewarding the right behaviors, and they're tolerating the behaviors of short-term success rather than long-term gratification.
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That's why we have to look at what's being rewarded.
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If a behavior keeps showing up, it's getting paid somehow.
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Maybe not with money, could be relief, power, laughter, silence, but it's getting something.
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So if you want to change a behavior, one of the best questions you can ask is what is rewarding this?
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Or what is the reward for this behavior?
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Not why are people like this?
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That question rarely helps.
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In fact, it's probably more harmful.
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The answer is usually because they're people, or that's just how Jim is.
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And that's not really a great way to change strategy.
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The better question is going to be is what is it in the environment that's rewarding this behavior?
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Is it something that we mentioned above?
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If gossip spreads, what's rewarding it?
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Maybe gossip gives people some connection, sense of control.
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Maybe it lets them invent without having the harder conversation.
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What about cynicism?
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Another very contagious behavior.
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If it spreads, what's rewarding it?
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Maybe it protects people from disappointment, makes people look smart, makes them help uh avoid vulnerability.
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Let's be honest, it's much easier to sound intelligent by criticizing an idea than by risking hope for it.
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Anyone can sit in the back of the room and go, yeah, that'll never work.
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Congratulations.
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Very brave.
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But it takes a different kind of courage to say, maybe there's something here.
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What would make this work?
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Now that might be a behavior worth spreading.
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I want to give you a simple way to think about how behaviors spread.
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And I'm going to use an acronym here called SRED.
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S-P-R-E-A-D.
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Because apparently I cannot help myself.
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I love a good acronym, but this one's useful.
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If you want to understand why a behavior is spreading, or if you want to intentionally spread a better behavior, let's look at these six pieces: signal, permission, reward, ease, adoption, durability.
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Say it again one more time.
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Spread.
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Signal, permission, reward, ease, adoption, durability.
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Now let's walk through them.
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First is the signal.
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This is where we're going to identify what behavior is being signaled as normal.
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Every team sending signals each and every day, all day long.
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Leader starts the meeting late.
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Signal.
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The manager says, thanks for raising that concern.
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Signal.
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A senior person cuts someone off and nobody redirects it.
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Signal.
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A teammate says, I missed the deadline.
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That's on me.
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Here's my recovery plan.
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Signal.
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People learn from signals.
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And here's where it gets tricky.
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We often judge ourselves by our intentions, but other people experience our signals.
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They're judging by outcomes.
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You might intend to be efficient when you send a short message, but the signal might be, I'm annoyed.
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You might intend to give people autonomy by not checking in.
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The signal might be you're on your own.
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You might intend to be helpful by jumping in and fixing everything.
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But the signal might be, I don't trust you to handle this.
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That doesn't mean we panic over every interpretation.
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But what it does mean, leaders have to pay attention to the signals that they are sending.
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Because what you signal repeatedly becomes what people copy.
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So the question is, what are we signaling through our behavior?
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Not just what are we saying, but what are we signaling?
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All right, let's move on to the P permission.
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What behavior has been given permission to exist here?
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Sometimes permission spoken, but most of the time it's actually silent.
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If somebody's dominating every meeting and nobody redirects them, domination has been given permission.
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If people are gossiping and nobody checks that, well, gossip has been given permission.
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If people miss deadlines and there's no follow-up or any kind of accountability measure, missed commitments now have permission.
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This is the thing about culture.
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What we tolerate teaches.
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That's not always a fun sentence, but it's a true one.
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What we tolerate teaches.
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And I say that with compassion because leaders tolerate things for all kinds of reasons.
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Could be we're tired, overwhelmed, we don't want to make a big deal of it.
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We say to ourselves, we're going to address it next time.
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The next time becomes next quarter, and now the behavior is not a moment or an instance anymore.
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It's a pattern.
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So permission asks, what have we unintentionally allowed to become normal?
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And then what do we need to give permission for instead?
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Permission to ask for clarity, permission to say, I'm at capacity, permission to disagree without it feeling like a personal attack, permission to raise a blocker or a boundary early, permission to pause before reacting, permission to repair after conflict.
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Those are powerful permissions.
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Permission is what we have allowed, what we have tolerated.
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What we tolerate, we reinforce.
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What we reward, we also reinforce.
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So we're going to move to the R, which is reward.
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Again, reward doesn't have to be formal reward.
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It doesn't have to be a bonus or something like that.
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And most oftentimes, it's the informal rewards that end up generating behavioral contagion.
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Attention, for example, can be an award reward.
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If somebody is given attention because they have acted out, that's a reward.
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We know this from parenting, but this is also true in the workplace.
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Laughter can be a reward.
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Rescuing, avoiding discomfort, being seen as indispensable, all of those are rewards.
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Sometimes the behavior we claim to hate is the behavior that we just keep rewarding.
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We say, we don't want silos, but then we reward leaders for protecting their people and their own department, or to making sure that they're doing right by just their department.
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We may say we want innovation, but then we punish failed experiments or get upset when somebody makes a mistake.
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We can say we want balance, but then we admire exhaustion.
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We want honesty, but when someone tells the truth, we call them negative or we get upset with them.
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Sure, maybe they can say it differently, but the reality is, is we're sending a signal.
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The behavior that wins is the behavior that spreads.
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So if the wrong behavior is spreading, check the reward system.
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There's almost always something that says this behavior is being rewarded by blank.
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Let's look at the fourth letter.
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Ease.
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How easy is the desired behavior to do?
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Now we can look at this from the where it's good behavior.
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How easy are we making it?
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How much friction is there to doing the good behavior?
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Or how much friction is there, or how little friction is there to doing the bad behavior?
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This is one of my favorite behavior change questions because it takes us out of fantasy land.
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A lot of organizations want better behavior, but they make the good behavior too hard.
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They want better delegation, but there's no template.
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There's no training, there's no coaching on how to delegate effectively.
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We want to give feedback, but nobody has language for it, or nobody's been trained on how to receive feedback, not just give it, but how to receive feedback.
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That's just as important.
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So then we look at it when these things aren't happening and we go, why aren't people doing this?
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Well, the behavior is friction heavy.
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If you want behavior to spread, make it easy to copy.
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Give people phrases, scripts, templates, routines.
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This is why small phrases can be so powerful.
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What does done look like?
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What are we assuming here?
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Is this urgent or just top of mind?
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What is the trade-off?
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Who owns this?
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What's the next visible step?
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Can we separate fact from story here?
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These little phrases are words that we install in the managers that we train.
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Why?
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For different situations, having the script or having the words ready to go are is a much better approach than trying to think on the spot in those situations.
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Because oftentimes we turn to the more negative side if we're in a limbic threat zone.
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But if we have scripts, guess what?
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It helps.
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These are little culture seeds.
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These communication practices, we plant them and they start to grow.
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They make better behavior easier to repeat and reproduce.
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And the easier it is to repeat, the more likely it is to spread.
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Fifth, we're coming to the end here, adoption.
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We have six, obviously, but adoption.
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Who needs to model this first?
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This really matters because not everyone has the same social influence inside of an organization.
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There are people in every organization who shape the room, shape the energy, shape the culture.
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Some of them have a title, and some of them don't.
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And you know who I'm talking about.
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There's people in the organization with very little or very low titles that everyone looks at after an announcement.
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Somebody whose facial expression can kill an idea before it even stands up, or that person who can make something feel safe or ridiculous with one simple comment.
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These are informal influencers.
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If you want behavior to spread, you have to think about people that you want to be your informal influencer and have them be your early adopters.
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This is why culture change can't just be a memo.
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A memo doesn't model behavior.
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It sits there looking official, but behavior spreads when credible people demonstrate it in public.
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So ask, who needs to go first?
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Who needs to use these phrases?
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Who needs to model the reset?
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Who needs to show that this new behavior is not just approved, but really useful?
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This is the adoption.
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Last, durability.
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Does the behavior hold under pressure?
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Now, this is the real test.
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Any team can have wonderful values when nothing is going wrong.
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Just like Mike Tyson says, everybody has a plan.
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So you get punched in the mouth.
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It's very easy to be collaborative when nobody's stressed, the client's happy, the budget's fine, and everyone's got a decent night's sleep.
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Sadly, that's not the test.
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The test happens when the deadline moves, change occurs, the customer becomes upset, someone makes a mistake, the leader's stressed out, resources become tighter, emotions run hot.
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That's when the culture shows its value.
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The behavior is not truly embedded until it survives pressure.
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If your team says, we value respectful disagreement, but the first tough conversation turns into blame and silence, that behavior is not durable.
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If your team says, raise risks early, but the first person who raises a risk gets their head taken off, yeah, that behavior is dead.
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Not wounded, dead.
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So if we want behaviors to last, we have to practice them and protect them under pressure.
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What does that sound like?
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When deadlines are at risk, we raise the risk early without blame.
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When we disagree, we ask two questions before giving our one critique.
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When priorities conflict, we name the trade-off instead of pretending everything fits.
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When tension rises, we pause and reset before we do damage.
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These kinds of structural, anticipated, behavioral expectations create durability.
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So again, the concept of spread, signal, permission, reward, ease, adoption, and durability.
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So let's move into making this some practical applications.
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Because I don't want this to be one of the episodes where we all nod and go back to our lives unchanged.
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Here's the simple leadership moves.
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Pick one behavior, not 12, not 100, not change the culture.
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All of that is too big.
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Pick one behavior you want to start spreading.
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Maybe it's ending meetings with owners and deadlines, or ending meetings on time.
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Maybe it's asking clarifying questions in meetings before uh decisions have been made.
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Maybe it's raising boundaries earlier or understanding earlier.
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Maybe it's giving specific feedback.
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Maybe it's pausing before reacting.
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Maybe it's naming trade-offs instead of silently absorbing more work.
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Pick one.
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It doesn't matter.
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Define it clearly enough that someone could see it on camera.
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That's my test.
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If a camera can't capture it, it's probably too vague.
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Think about that.
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Be more accountable, too vague.
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Send a status update every Friday with progress, blockers, and next step.
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That's much more clear.
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Be more positive.
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Too vague.
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Ask one possibility question before naming why something won't work.
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It's much more clear.
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Communicate more effectively.
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Too vague.
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Confirm decision, owner, and deadline before leaving the meeting.
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Now that's clarity.
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Once you have the behavior and you've identified it, we need to seed it.
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S-E-E-D, seed it.
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Use it yourself.
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Say it out loud, make it visible.
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Reward it immediately when someone else doesn't.
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Find the influencers.
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Get them into taking it on.
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When we're rewarding other people for doing this, don't do it in the weird kindergarten way.
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You don't need to be like, great job, Brenda.
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Use the accountability behavior.
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Don't do that, please.
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Just name it like a normal person.
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Brenda, thank you for clarifying the owner in a deadline.
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It saves us from a lot of confusion later.
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That's enough.
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People need to hear what behavior mattered and why it mattered.
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Then protect it when pressure hits.
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That's the part that most leaders end up missing.
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It's not enough to just introduce the behavior.
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You have to defend it against the old patterns.
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The patterns will try to pop up again and again until the new behavior is sticky enough that it's always been that way.
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If the team is trying to raise risks earlier and someone finally raises a risk, don't punish them for it.
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Even if the risk is annoying, even if it's not logical, even if your first reaction is, oh good, another problem.
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Fantastic.
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I was worried today might actually be peaceful.
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Protect the behavior.
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Instead of diminishing it, say, thank you for raising it now.
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Let's work the issue.
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Afterward, we can look at how to catch it even earlier next time.
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That response teaches the room.
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Early honesty is safe here.
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That is how behavior spreads by making it safe and making it easy.
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Let's talk about difficult behavior for a minute, because behavioral contagion is not always pretty.
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Sometimes the most contagious person on the team is the person spreading tension, the eye roller, the hijacker, the chronic critic, the passive-aggressive side commenter, the person who says yes in the meeting and resists afterwards or gossips afterwards or complains afterwards, person who makes every change feel like an attack on civilization itself.
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They think, how do I deal with this difficult person?
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That's where leaders get stuck.
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How do I deal with this?
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It's a fair question, but I want to give you a better one.
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How is this behavior spreading?
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Because difficult behavior becomes cultural when it gets an audience, a reward, or permission.
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If somebody interrupts people repeatedly and nobody redirects it or checks it, the behavior spreads.
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People talk over each other.
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People interrupt and probably raise their voices.
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If someone complains constantly and gets attention, guess what?
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That behavior is going to spread.
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People understand, oh look, this squeaky wheel gets the oil.
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Someone's sarcastic and a room laughs because everyone's uncomfortable.
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Guess what?
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That behavior spreads.
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So we have to address both the person and the pattern.
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Here's the simple way to do it: name the behavior, name the impact, name the replacement.
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Let me give you an example of this.
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In the last two meetings, when new ideas came up, you responded with sarcasm before the team explored the idea.
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The impact of that is people are starting to hold back.
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Going forward, if you see a concern, name the risk directly and ask one question before critiquing.
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It's very clear, it's very direct, not an attack on identity.
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It doesn't say you're negative, you're awful, you're a horrible person, get out of the meeting.
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It says, here's the behavior, here's the impact, here's the replacement.
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That's leadership.
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Now, before we close today's session on behavioral contagion, I want to give you a very simple seven-day challenge.
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For the next week, I want you to become a behavior spotter, not a personality critic, a behavior spotter.
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Day one, identify a behavior that's spreading on your team.
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Watch for it, look around, see it.
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This can be a helpful or a harmful behavior, but name it clearly.
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Not people are disengaged.
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That's way too broad.
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What are they doing?
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What are they staying silent in meetings?
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Are they multitasking, avoiding decisions?
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What does the behavior get people?
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We need to find out what's rewarding it.
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So this is the day two question.
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Ask, what seems to be the reward?
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Is it attention, relief, control, approval, avoidance, speed?
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On day three, I want you to define a replacement behavior.
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What should people be doing instead?
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Now, when we're designing a behavior, you need to make it small, visible, and repeatable.
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This is really important if you want the behavior to stick.
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Day four, model the replacement behavior in real moments.
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Use the phrase, run the process, ask the question, whatever it is that you've decided to replace the behavior with, this is where you're going to put action insights into action.
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This is where the rubber meets the road.
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Use the phrase, run the process, ask the question.
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Day five, reinforce it if you see someone else doing it.
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Name it, thank it, and connect it to the impact.
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Day six, interrupt the old pattern, respectively.
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When you see something, we have to interrupt that pattern.
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Something like, hey, let's pause.
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Seems we're moving into critique before curiosity.
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Can we get back to asking two questions first?
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Notice how I'm not blaming, I'm not disparaging.
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All I'm doing is identifying it and saying, let's move back to the behavior that we're approving.
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Or another example.
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Before we leave, let's confirm owner and deadline, like we want to continue to do as in this culture.
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Simple, direct, and we're getting it going.
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Day seven.
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This is where we start to reflect.
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Did you notice anything?
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Was there any shifts?
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Did someone copy it?
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Did it feel awkward maybe the first time?
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Particularly maybe checking the behavior?
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That's okay.
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This is where we reflect and say, did it help?
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What made the behavior easier?
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What made it harder?
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This is the work.
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Small behavior, visible repetition, immediate reinforcement, protected under pressure.
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And let me land this here.
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Culture is not what you announce, culture is what spreads.
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And an organization, the macro culture is the sum of all of the micro behaviors.
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The behaviors we reward, we reinforce.
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The behaviors we tolerate, we also reinforce.
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And every day we're spreading something, whether it's through our tone, actions, reactions.
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Though when we think about it, the question isn't, am I contagious?
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You are.
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The question is, what am I making contagious?
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Am I spreading clarity or confusion?
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Calm or panic?
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This week, pick a behavior we're spreading, model it, name it, reward it, protect it, and then let me know how it goes.
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I'd love to hear from you.
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Send me a message.
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You can reach out to us through the Talent Forge links or alternatively connect with me on LinkedIn.
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I want to know.
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And if you do reach out and share something with me that you are able to name, model, reward, protect, I want to hear about it.
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I want to celebrate you.
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And I'll provide you with a really amazing resource, a field guide of sorts for behavioral contagion.
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Because behavior becomes contagious when people see it, trust it, and believe it works.
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That's how behavior becomes culture.
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So thank you everybody for joining me today on this topic of behavioral contagion.
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I hope that it helps guide you in shifting the culture and behaviors to the positive ones where we all can thrive and survive in the workplace.
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Until next time, be safe, be healthy, and be well.