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Yayo, how many cups of coffee have you had today?
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This is my second one.
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Second?
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You gotta get those numbers up.
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Yeah, I know, I know.
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Second cup of coffee.
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The first one was with my wife.
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We went on a date.
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Uh coffee shop.
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And then from there, my son.
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A Monday morning date.
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Yeah.
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That is bold, my friend.
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Yeah, we went on a date.
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We just like, hey, let's get some coffee.
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So we went to uh underdog at one of our favorite coffee shops down in uh Anadale, and she grabbed the puppy, she took the puppy, I got, and we she got her uh it's a coffee shop with dogs in it?
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Yeah, oh yeah, it's awesome, bro.
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You can't there was a German shepherd, there was so cool.
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Um, so yeah, she got her um vanilla latte.
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Okay, and I got my cappuccino, which is six ounces in Anadale, which is yeah, perfect.
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Okay, there you go.
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Perfect.
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Okay, I I'm not sure I'm on board with coffee shops with animals.
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Why not?
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Well, for sure, definitely no cat.
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These cat coffee shops everywhere.
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No way.
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Dogs, uh I mean, we have Anita's downtown.
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They let dogs come in there.
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And I was in there one time and there was this little puppy running around, and bro brought in like a German shepherd or something, and this it was about to go down in the coffee shop.
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And I'm like, no, coffee shops are for people.
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Hot take, I guess.
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I don't know.
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I like dogs in the coffee shop.
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I love dogs, and I and I like cats too, but I always feel like more than one or two cats in a building is always if I see an animal hair in my coffee or on my pastry, you're being blessed by the dog, bro.
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That's like the blessed of the blessed.
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I know my grandma used to be a total first world property.
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My grandma would always say they they had a garden with fresh vegetables, and if we found like a bug or a worm in our veggies, she would always say, Don't worry about the ones you found, worry about the ones you didn't find.
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The ones you read.
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Yeah, so that was my morning.
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Woke up.
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I've heard Nick enjoys worms.
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Yeah, see, let's see.
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I mean, he does love hunting.
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He does, he does.
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Yeah, so that was my day.
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I had my cappuccino, then I got home, and my son is like, Can you take me to school?
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And it's cold.
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He usually takes the bus.
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He uh he's in college, so he takes the CG bus, and I thought I'd be nice to you, but I'll go be late to work if I think that.
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So we went and dropped him off, and then first thing I did in the office was grab my coffee.
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So there you go.
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Yeah, I like your mug.
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Tell me the history behind that.
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This mug, it's one of my uh it's it is it's my handmade mug from Guatemala.
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I got it when I was there January in sabbatical, and so I spent my whole free time wandering around trying to find a place with a real mug, not these mass-produced, you know, tourist things.
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And so it's actually handwritten on the bottom from Chichi Castanango in Guatemala, but I got it in um in Antigua and just the right amount.
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And so love it, love it.
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Good mugs, good coffee.
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Let's get into some of this.
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Let's go.
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We started our our we spent a lot of time in the the sermon yesterday talking about these three phases of life that that that we got from uh Ronald Rolheiser, I think I said his last name correctly, but these three phases of spiritual developments, these these three phases of life.
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The first one that we find is getting our life together.
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I think we're all still, you know, we spend our whole life trying to get our life together, but getting our life together, those teenage years, those young twenties, it can extend beyond that.
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Yeah.
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If we have uh, you know, especially if we have difficult childhood, difficult teenage years, difficult young adult life, it can extend beyond that.
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But I love the idea of getting our life together isn't the finish line.
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Yeah.
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I think teenagers, young adults, the goal is okay, if I get my life together, that's it.
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But that's just the beginning.
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That's just that's just the starting line.
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That's the starting line of getting our life together and figuring it out.
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And, you know, he uh utilizes and he's got a great, a lot of great stuff.
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I've I've listened to several of his things, reading um through through some of his writings, and you know, he goes back to when you're when you're younger, man.
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You're you're you're dealing with all these urges and and and you know your emotions and in puberty, suddenly you just lose control of everything.
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And yeah, you go crazy in that.
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And um, yeah, pray for me.
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I've got a 13-year-old this year, man.
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I don't, you know, we're worried about pray.
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I got a 19-year-old and an 18.
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Yeah, blessings, man.
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Get some holy water over there on you.
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And so, but uh, you know, I've been talking with folks recently.
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Don't you remember when you were younger and you were like, hey, adults, they've got it all together.
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Remember when you used to think that?
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Yeah, I do.
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I do remember that.
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In fact, I was talking to my wife about, man, remember when we were young and we figured out everything?
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Uh, because I don't know if this happens to you, but my boys, they think they know everything.
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And they look at us like if we got everything figured out as well, but they know more than us.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if that has it happened to you yet?
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Um, it it depends.
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My my little one, she's not all the way there yet.
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She's quite sassy.
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She's the one we're really worried about in a few years.
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That girl.
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She's gonna give me some gray hair soon.
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Go, go, bowl.
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Yeah, my favorite thing.
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So, yesterday, side note, I I text Sarah she was out, so middle of the day yesterday.
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Um, I was downstairs uh exercising between church a little bit, and I hear, Daddy, daddy, daddy, and said, Yeah, baby, what is it?
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Never mind.
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Classic.
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Yeah, nice, nice, yeah.
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How about you, Nick?
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Uh yeah, my my oldest just left for basic training, so I don't have to supervise him anymore.
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Um, but yeah, I the funny thing with my kids is they, you know, I I I was a music teacher, I've been a musician my whole life, and they all started playing instruments in school, and they would not listen to my advice.
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And I was like, I was like, you know, I I kind of I sort of know what I'm talking about with this.
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Like, this is the one thing I am good at.
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They would they did not want to hear it from me uh until they were, you know, sort of at their wit's end with something, and then they would finally come crawling back and be like, Hey, how do I play this?
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That's why this next phase that he says we live in most of our life.
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Yeah.
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Giving your life away.
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Giving your life away to your kids who won't listen to anything, you know, giving your life away to whatever ministry it is that you're called in.
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We're we're blessed to be able to to our ministry is our is our job.
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And so, you know, I feel like we're really blessed in that opportunity.
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But, you know, whether you're a teacher, whether you're a stay-at-home parent, whether you uh, you know, you're a lawyer, whatever it is, like that's your ministry, that's your your field of of service, to be able to.
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Yeah, your calling and your way to to impact the world in ways that that we can't and and don't have that opportunity.
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And so it's that that phase we live in of giving your life away.
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And man, I've been sitting in that for weeks, ever since I bumped into that saying, and I've just been trying to figure out, you know, what does that mean to to give my life away everywhere we go?
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And how do we do that?
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You know, it's serving your family well, it's serving your neighbor well, you know, it's serving this next generation well, which I think is so important, so valuable for us to be able to serve this next generation and to equip them and boost them to the next level.
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I I I always go back to humility and I just using that music example.
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I I I I I have to be careful not to get into my pride.
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You know, it's it's that thing like I know that I'm better at this and wiser than you at this now, but I want to see you get better than me and and do more with these skills.
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And I think that applies to everything.
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And so that we have to like let the next generation learn how to take hold of everything and learn how to make everything their own.
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And they they have to be able to miss shots and they have to be able to um they have to be able to make mistakes and pick themselves back up, and we have to be there for them.
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So it takes I think it takes a lot of humility as the grumpy older person who already knows everything to allow the younger generation to step into the into these roles and to make it their own role.
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Yeah.
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And something uh that as I was talking yesterday, we see this with Elijah.
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Elijah in in chapter in 1 Kings chapter 19, he takes his mantle off and puts it into Elisha, right?
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Yeah, and that's just that kind of the picture of Elisha is about to get a calling, and Elijah knows he's about to get a calling.
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Yeah, so he's getting him ready.
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Hey, feel, feel yeah, you've you've got take my clothes, yeah.
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You've got something big coming up.
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Feel it, get feel the power a little bit.
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How does it feel, right?
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It's scary, isn't it?
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It is scary.
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Uh and I was telling the church that that's the beginning of the calling for Elisha.
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Now, I keep saying that Elisha because in Spanish it's called Elías and Eliseo.
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Which is two different confusing.
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Well, no, it's confusing in English.
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Elisha.
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Yeah, that's I think I only messed it up once, I think, yesterday.
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I said at the beginning of both sermons, I was like, um, we're gonna mess this up.
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Yeah, so Spanish is Elias Eliseo.
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So I was able to brag a little bit yesterday.
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I was like, that's why I like Spanish sometimes because it's easier to understand it.
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Let's not go back to rigobone and jitterboom.
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But as I was as I was processing through some of this, I don't want to jump from you, but um this morning I was sitting in the, as Jesus was teaching, the greater love is no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
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Now, I think first of all, and primarily that is Jesus Christ.
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He he laid down his life for all of us, for all of humanity, you know, that we can bow before him.
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But that is also our calling in life, that it's not about us.
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Yeah.
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None of this is about us.
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And so that as we navigate this, this life now the world tells us it's all about.
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Yeah.
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It's all about you, Cameron.
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You know, it's all about what makes you feel good, what makes you do all this.
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Um, but it's all about us daily sacrificing for the sake of the kingdom.
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And that means for those around us too.
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Yeah.
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And that's the mindset we need to kind of have every day.
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It's not about me, but it's about the kingdom of God, right?
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We live in a culture, like you were saying, that is what I want, what I need, what I desire, instead of putting how can I be Jesus outside of just my own needs, right?
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And we see this in Elijah and Elisha and how Elijah scan, right?
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And one of the questions I was asking the church yesterday is this who are we investing right now to get him ready after we are gone?
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Absolutely because everything has a start and an end for us as humans.
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Absolutely.
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And at the end of the day, I want people to know of Jesus, not to know of Yayo.
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Yeah.
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So when I worked uh centric kid when I was in college, you know, that's those kind of things.
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You go to camps, and and kids and teenagers, they'd be like, oh, you know, I saw you on stage, you're doing this, you're doing that.
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And and so one of the things that that we talked about regularly, we would write it on our hands too.
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We'd do FM on our hands, the idea of forget me.
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Forget me.
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I hope not a single kid remembers me from those days, you know, and and yesterday we had a great all three worship services, really good.
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I hope they don't remember anything of us, that it's all about Jesus and the next generation, too.
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I've heard it said that we should be like this scaffolding and that we're creating the platform for, like Nick was saying, we want our kids to do greater things than we would ever even imagine.
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That we've anything that we've been able to do or see, like we want, we want our kids to take it to that next level.
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But guess what?
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If we don't challenge them, if we don't equip them, if we don't teach them, if we don't allow them to make those mistakes, how are they gonna learn?
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How are they gonna grow?
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How are they gonna do those things?
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You know, do you know in Chancellor?
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The question is do we give the next generation authority to be able to lead as they should?
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I think we do an okay job, but we're not there yet either.
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I think we are doing an okay job, and yes, there's always room to improve and get better at it, right?
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But even as I was talking yesterday about, you know, who are we investing, I also was saying whether you know it or you don't know this, we are investing something.
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The question is, are you investing them, Jesus, or are you investing investing your ego?
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Are you showing them your ego?
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Are you showing them your your your attitude, whether it's a negative attitude or your or your pride?
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Because the next generation is watching, they are seeing us, they are looking at us.
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What are they learning from us?
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Are they seeing you praying?
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Are they seeing you worshiping?
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Are they seeing you being forgiving and loving, or are they seeing you talking smack behind somebody's back?
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Well, I love that.
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Because they they're watching.
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They're watching, and that's where I think going back to Elijah and Elisha, you know, as that as they navigated and um as they as they reversed course of of that transition?
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Yeah, they reversed course and they were marching out of Israel, they were marching out of the promised land, that unraveling of the kingdom.
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And so everywhere they stopped, though, you know, the other prophets, the groups would come up to Elisha and they would say, Hey, now you know this guy, he's about to leave.
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And every time he'd say, Shh, be quiet.
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And I love the idea that he was saying, We're not talking behind his back.
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We're not gossiping, we're not doing it this way.
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We're doing this respectfully, and we're doing this the the kind and gentle and good way.
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But yeah, man, uh, I think our kids see too much of the gossipy, the junk, the anger, you know.
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I love that.
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What are what are what are we handing over?
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The keys that we're handing to them, what are they?
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Yeah, and that's important not just for our church, but also for our for the parents watching us.
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Like parents, our your kids are watching you, they they are looking.
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And if you are in leadership with the church, leaders, the next generation is also watching you.
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Um, as you know, our 12 o'clock service day introduction.
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Right, and I was telling the church, it's like this is very important for us right now because we are setting up our next person, the next guy, right?
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And what keys are we gonna pass them?
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Are we gonna give them the good keys, the keys of hey, we're working on this together, we're trying to be together, we're trying to make it happen.
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When you come in, we're gonna we are going to continue doing this.
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Or are you going to be passing the keys of oh, we don't want you here, we don't want this, or all this negative.
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And that's why I was like, this is important for us right now.
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Because we are practicing this, we are living this as a as an entire congregation.
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Yeah, uh so it was good, good response, right?
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But I also jumped a little bit uh later and saying that also the third phase.
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Let's go there.
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The giving your death away.
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And that title, Cameron, I texted you last in the morning yesterday because I was talking to my wife about it, and she was saying, That's that's a weird way to say that.
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Giving your death away, I was and that always got me.
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I was like, huh, that's interesting.
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So I was listening to again, uh Ronald Rolheiser, where a lot of this came from.
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So I was listening to him, and he was asked this very question.
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And he said, What does that mean, giving your death away?
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And so, of course, he took it back to Jesus.
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Of course.
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And as Jesus on his time in in in in you know, fleshly form of God, the Son of God here on earth, and so at his very end, he said, It is finished.
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Meaning it's done.
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And then previously, as he's speaking to his disciples, he says, Peace I give to you, peace I leave with you.
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He says, When you die, give your death away.
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When you die, will there be peace in your family?
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Will there be peace in your kids?
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Will there be peace in those around you because you crossed that finish line?
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Of course there will be be grief, because you know, when when you lose someone that you love, there is grief.
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But if you know they are one with Jesus, that they are then in that great cloud of witnesses, and that they finished that that they crossed that finish line, pleasing Jesus every step of the way, that's where he brought it back to giving your death away, that you leave this wake of peace and not that this this trouble among kids and those around you because you were just like Nick said, the grumpy old man until the very end, which hey, I'm pretty good at being that guy.
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Um, but do we leave this wake of peace and that we've crossed that finish line well by giving your death away.
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Yeah, and here's the thing with that crowd.
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Uh I was telling telling the church yesterday, this may be our grandparents, right?
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Uh, our older generation.
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And I was telling them, but just because you give your death away, doesn't mean you still you're not finished yet.
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You gotta finish well.
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And how are you finishing?
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Now, kind of like what you are saying to them.
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Like, sometimes you may think, oh, they don't care about me anymore.
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So I'm just gonna get lazy and not do anything.
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No, we need you still.
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Yeah.
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Uh Christine Kane's been speaking about this recently.
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There's a great interview, uh, she and Carrie Newhoff several months ago that I listened to and I love.
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So she's in her 60s now and leading at the highest level, and she's getting frustrated because she's seeing her peers in that same demographic.
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Um, now I, you know, I'm 39 right now, you're 38 right now, um, my back hurts, I'm tired.
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I need more coffee.
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But so she's looking around at her peers in her 60s, and they're saying she's saying, Why are you quitting?
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Why are you opting out?
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She's saying, This next generation needs us to continue to lead.
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And then her quote was, I haven't come this far to only come this far.
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Oh I was like, mic drop.
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Wow.
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Let me replay that one.
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I haven't come this far to only come this far.
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And so she is continuing to lead, continuing to serve, continuing to take care of those around her.
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I'm sure she could retire, opt out, and cruise the rest of her life, but she's continuing to serve and be faithful.
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And now we're in a generation where, you know, us daggole millennials, yeah, there we are, we aren't leading as well as the 25-year-olds who are leading these incredible revivals and things like that.
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And so we get to witness that.
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We are kind of in this weird generation.
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But guess what?
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Tom Rayner uh has a study out from 2000 to now, there's been a 15% decrease of uh regular church attendance in 65-year-olds plus.
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So why is that?
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I think we're seeing uh a generation, and and this is you know, this is me speaking to myself to learn to challenge myself to say, hey, Cameron, say you're not talking about this.
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She says, I want to be, she says, I want to be the little old lady at church taking cookies to people.
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You know, I say, well, you can start with me, but um, but uh I think what we're seeing is people live longer now, health is better, retirement systems are are pretty solid in that in that demographic, and so suddenly there's this freedom that's out there that didn't exist 30, 40 years ago, if we're honest either.
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And so suddenly it's this it's this new freedom that's out there as well.
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I mean there's other things at play eventually, because we all find ourselves in a place at some point in life where we can't drive, shouldn't drive, uh, you know, ailments, different things.
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We all find ourselves there.
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Um But we didn't come this far to just come this far, yeah.
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And I was telling the church yesterday, and I was like, your role maybe changed from leading, we changed from leading to encouraging that.
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So that third group, that third phase should be looking backwards and encouraging the next generation.
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I was given the uh story of my spiritual mentor who's 72 years old, a retired missionary.
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He went to Uruguay and uh did a lot of work, and I know that now that he's back to the States, he's been coaching me for the past 12, 15 years.
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And man, he is always praying for me.
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He's calling me once a month, hey, how are you doing?
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And I was like, I think all of us should be at Ron Roy.
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And Ron Roy, that's his name.
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He'll say, I don't retire, I'll continue, but my role has changed.
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I love that.
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Yeah, we like ministry ministry.
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You don't retire from ministry because you you die expecting to go to heaven.
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That's when you retire, right?
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And he's like, My job is to encourage the next generation and love.
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And I I was telling the church yesterday, Cameron.
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I was like, Ron Roy knows some of you guys' names.
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And he will ask me, How's Cameron doing?
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How's Snick doing?
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How's Luis doing?
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He knows your name, Luis, by the way.
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I mean, he'll ask me names because he cares.
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And I feel like that's an important role for our next, for that third phase.
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Like, are you encouraging?
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And now, sometimes it's hard for that crew because it's hard to let go.
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Which crew?
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The older crew?
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The older crew.
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It's hard to let go.
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It's like, what this is what I created.
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And sometimes you have to be willing to let go.
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Yes.
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And that's that takes time.
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And that's for all of us, you know.
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We we we we get selfish in our things and we care a lot about our things, but what if what if they do far better than us?
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Yeah, you know, we've got we've got some some uh some of our guys that are getting.
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Into preaching and doing these things.
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And, you know, I'll call out some of our guys like James Kissler.
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He's becoming an amazing preacher.
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He's he's just now starting out and he is nailing it.
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I love it.
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You know, and he's going out and able to do these things, and he's gone and served even in other churches to do it.
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And so we're seeing these guys who are who are stepping up and doing a mighty thing.
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Um, what keeps us from being curious?
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Because we what you know, we find ourselves, okay, we've got life together, that first phase.
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And we're like, okay, that's all I need to do.
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I've got my VBS faith.
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I know I've got a Bible.
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I've, you know, I go to church some, got life together.
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What stops us from being curious to continue to want to learn and grow and share with others?
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What what is that barrier that keeps us from being curious, do you think?
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I feel like sometimes we put that barrier of we think we're good enough.
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Like, I don't need help.
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I got this, right?
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We live in this culture where I can just grab my phone and answer everything I want without going to somebody.
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I think technology could be a barrier.
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I think AI, I mean, I do I love AI, but I think AI can be a barrier for some people.
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Well, I I'm not gonna call camera in the past and let me just ask chat.
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Let me ask chat, right?
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Um thing I love the curious is that this the third generation, the older group, maybe it's not giving it the opportunity for the second generation to be curious.
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So I feel it's like they're both mixed together.
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Like we we divide ourselves.
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Yeah.
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And when we shouldn't be dividing ourselves.
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I feel like uh I'm not gonna ask this person because that person is gonna tell me you gotta do it this way.
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Because this this way only works.
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And I feel that's part of that barrier that we we we are building.
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Yeah.
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There's a I think there's a comfort there's like comfort and there's also kind of weariness too.
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Like the things that you grow comfortable with um are where you go to avoid the weariness of constantly having to learn and grow.
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One one of the questions that the that the uh high schoolers you were saying there was a lot of questions about cars.
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They were like, they just assume older folks know everything about cars.
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And uh it's just it's an interesting example of like when you get older and you you can invest in a car that you don't have to worry about changing the oil and always checking the tire pressure and all that.
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You you stop doing those things.
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I feel like when you like like when my dad was younger, he was always working on a car, he was always fixing something.
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As he's in his 70s now, he doesn't do have to do that, and so he doesn't do it because he doesn't need to.
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He's got the he's got a more comfortable ride that he doesn't have to do all that maintenance on.
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And I think that I think spiritually some of that happens.
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I mean, I I feel uh I have to fight that myself too.
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Don't get comfortable, don't get so comfortable that you're not looking forward to going from I I I look forward to going from being the person who needs encouragement all the time to being that person who gets to be an encourager instead.
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Yeah.
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Um I I really look forward to that phase of life.
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And I and I hope I have that mindset when I get there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think that's a good, good challenge for all of us, though, to do that, to reach down.
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And uh and when I, you know, we can speak generationally and there's a lot there.
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Um, I've always been a champion as I speak to adults, you know, whether it's through my years of youth ministry or even sitting in in this seat now, as I talk to adults.
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Um I I very much believe our our kids and teenagers want to have that relationship.
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Um they don't know how, or maybe they probably don't even know how to say it, but you know, we are created for community and kids are kids are born curious and like needing community and wanting community.
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It's a part of who we are.
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And so I always challenge us, say, adults, you're to be the adults.
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Don't don't wait for a kid to come and say this, don't wait for a teenager to come and say this.
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You know the struggles of teenagers.
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Yeah, all teenagers are teenagers.
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We've always been the same.
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They might dress kind of different, although even that kind of keeps that that's cyclical, so that comes back.
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So I always say, adults, you be the adult.
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Yeah, yeah, you go, yeah, you start this relationship.
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Yeah, and one of the things I was saying yesterday as well was um saying that Elisha was called to be Elisha, not to be Elijah.
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Yeah.
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And sometimes we want to force people to be just like us.
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And no, then they are not called to be like Yah.
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They are called to be who God calls them to their identity, right?
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And that's what happens sometimes.
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We want them to do it the same way.
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Oh, you are called to be a Elijah, not Elisha.
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No, God called two different worlds and two different cultures and two different dynamics, right?
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Like the way you live today was is not, may not even work the way you live back in your days.
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And that's just the reality of it.
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And we have to be okay with that.
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And that's that section where you let go.
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Yes.
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And just encourage.
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So we need encouragers.
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And that's why that third phase, that older group, is important because you guys seen life, and you guys can give us tips in how we should be able to do things.
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Been there, done that, made it, you know, realize there's there's hope at the end of the tunnel in that.
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Well, let me, a quick story, we're running out of time, but just last week we had um uh Katie Dunbar shared her testimony, and she did a great job with that.
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And I knew one of our teenagers in the room was struggling with some of those things.
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And I I watched this happen as she realized, oh, Katie's story is a part of my story.
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And I saw as Katie was getting to, you know, in this phase of life where she is now, saying, you know, Jesus has all of this and the redemption and the forgiveness she has found, you know, towards others who who she was able to do that.
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And in, you know, thank you, Jesus.
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And so I got to watch this other student recognize in Katie's testimony, oh, there's lie to the end of the tunnel.
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Jesus is in charge and in control of all of this.
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And so because Katie was willing to share and invest into others, the generation beneath her, I was able to see that hope spark in her.
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And so we all need that.
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So no matter what age or phase of life we're in, we haven't come this far to only come this far.
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And the calling is still there for you.
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The calling is there on this side of eternity.
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Yep.
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We just say yes to Jesus.
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Amen.
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On that.org.
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Yayo, how many cups of coffee have you had today?
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This is my second one.
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Second?
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You gotta get those numbers up.
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Yeah, I know, I know.
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Second cup of coffee.
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The first one was with my wife.
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We went on a date.
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Uh coffee shop.
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And then from there, my son.
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A Monday morning date.
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Yeah.
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That is bold, my friend.
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Yeah, we went on a date.
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We just like, hey, let's get some coffee.
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So we went to uh underdog at one of our favorite coffee shops down in uh Anadale, and she grabbed the puppy, she took the puppy, I got, and we she got her uh it's a coffee shop with dogs in it?
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Yeah, oh yeah, it's awesome, bro.
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You can't there was a German shepherd, there was so cool.
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Um, so yeah, she got her um vanilla latte.
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Okay, and I got my cappuccino, which is six ounces in Anadale, which is yeah, perfect.
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Okay, there you go.
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Perfect.
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Okay, I I'm not sure I'm on board with coffee shops with animals.
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Why not?
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Well, for sure, definitely no cat.
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These cat coffee shops everywhere.
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No way.
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Dogs, uh I mean, we have Anita's downtown.
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They let dogs come in there.
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And I was in there one time and there was this little puppy running around, and bro brought in like a German shepherd or something, and this it was about to go down in the coffee shop.
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And I'm like, no, coffee shops are for people.
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Hot take, I guess.
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I don't know.
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I like dogs in the coffee shop.
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I love dogs, and I and I like cats too, but I always feel like more than one or two cats in a building is always if I see an animal hair in my coffee or on my pastry, you're being blessed by the dog, bro.
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That's like the blessed of the blessed.
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I know my grandma used to be a total first world property.
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My grandma would always say they they had a garden with fresh vegetables, and if we found like a bug or a worm in our veggies, she would always say, Don't worry about the ones you found, worry about the ones you didn't find.
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The ones you read.
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Yeah, so that was my morning.
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Woke up.
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I've heard Nick enjoys worms.
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Yeah, see, let's see.
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I mean, he does love hunting.
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He does, he does.
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Yeah, so that was my day.
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I had my cappuccino, then I got home, and my son is like, Can you take me to school?
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And it's cold.
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He usually takes the bus.
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He uh he's in college, so he takes the CG bus, and I thought I'd be nice to you, but I'll go be late to work if I think that.
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So we went and dropped him off, and then first thing I did in the office was grab my coffee.
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So there you go.
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Yeah, I like your mug.
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Tell me the history behind that.
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This mug, it's one of my uh it's it is it's my handmade mug from Guatemala.
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I got it when I was there January in sabbatical, and so I spent my whole free time wandering around trying to find a place with a real mug, not these mass-produced, you know, tourist things.
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And so it's actually handwritten on the bottom from Chichi Castanango in Guatemala, but I got it in um in Antigua and just the right amount.
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And so love it, love it.
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Good mugs, good coffee.
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Let's get into some of this.
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Let's go.
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We started our our we spent a lot of time in the the sermon yesterday talking about these three phases of life that that that we got from uh Ronald Rolheiser, I think I said his last name correctly, but these three phases of spiritual developments, these these three phases of life.
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The first one that we find is getting our life together.
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I think we're all still, you know, we spend our whole life trying to get our life together, but getting our life together, those teenage years, those young twenties, it can extend beyond that.
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Yeah.
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If we have uh, you know, especially if we have difficult childhood, difficult teenage years, difficult young adult life, it can extend beyond that.
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But I love the idea of getting our life together isn't the finish line.
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Yeah.
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I think teenagers, young adults, the goal is okay, if I get my life together, that's it.
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But that's just the beginning.
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That's just that's just the starting line.
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That's the starting line of getting our life together and figuring it out.
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And, you know, he uh utilizes and he's got a great, a lot of great stuff.
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I've I've listened to several of his things, reading um through through some of his writings, and you know, he goes back to when you're when you're younger, man.
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You're you're you're dealing with all these urges and and and you know your emotions and in puberty, suddenly you just lose control of everything.
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And yeah, you go crazy in that.
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And um, yeah, pray for me.
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I've got a 13-year-old this year, man.
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I don't, you know, we're worried about pray.
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I got a 19-year-old and an 18.
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Yeah, blessings, man.
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Get some holy water over there on you.
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And so, but uh, you know, I've been talking with folks recently.
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Don't you remember when you were younger and you were like, hey, adults, they've got it all together.
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Remember when you used to think that?
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Yeah, I do.
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I do remember that.
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In fact, I was talking to my wife about, man, remember when we were young and we figured out everything?
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Uh, because I don't know if this happens to you, but my boys, they think they know everything.
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And they look at us like if we got everything figured out as well, but they know more than us.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if that has it happened to you yet?
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Um, it it depends.
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My my little one, she's not all the way there yet.
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She's quite sassy.
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She's the one we're really worried about in a few years.
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That girl.
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She's gonna give me some gray hair soon.
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Go, go, bowl.
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Yeah, my favorite thing.
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So, yesterday, side note, I I text Sarah she was out, so middle of the day yesterday.
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Um, I was downstairs uh exercising between church a little bit, and I hear, Daddy, daddy, daddy, and said, Yeah, baby, what is it?
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Never mind.
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Classic.
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Yeah, nice, nice, yeah.
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How about you, Nick?
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Uh yeah, my my oldest just left for basic training, so I don't have to supervise him anymore.
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Um, but yeah, I the funny thing with my kids is they, you know, I I I was a music teacher, I've been a musician my whole life, and they all started playing instruments in school, and they would not listen to my advice.
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And I was like, I was like, you know, I I kind of I sort of know what I'm talking about with this.
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Like, this is the one thing I am good at.
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They would they did not want to hear it from me uh until they were, you know, sort of at their wit's end with something, and then they would finally come crawling back and be like, Hey, how do I play this?
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That's why this next phase that he says we live in most of our life.
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Yeah.
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Giving your life away.
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Giving your life away to your kids who won't listen to anything, you know, giving your life away to whatever ministry it is that you're called in.
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We're we're blessed to be able to to our ministry is our is our job.
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And so, you know, I feel like we're really blessed in that opportunity.
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But, you know, whether you're a teacher, whether you're a stay-at-home parent, whether you uh, you know, you're a lawyer, whatever it is, like that's your ministry, that's your your field of of service, to be able to.
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Yeah, your calling and your way to to impact the world in ways that that we can't and and don't have that opportunity.
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And so it's that that phase we live in of giving your life away.
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And man, I've been sitting in that for weeks, ever since I bumped into that saying, and I've just been trying to figure out, you know, what does that mean to to give my life away everywhere we go?
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And how do we do that?
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You know, it's serving your family well, it's serving your neighbor well, you know, it's serving this next generation well, which I think is so important, so valuable for us to be able to serve this next generation and to equip them and boost them to the next level.
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I I I always go back to humility and I just using that music example.
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I I I I I have to be careful not to get into my pride.
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You know, it's it's that thing like I know that I'm better at this and wiser than you at this now, but I want to see you get better than me and and do more with these skills.
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And I think that applies to everything.
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And so that we have to like let the next generation learn how to take hold of everything and learn how to make everything their own.
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And they they have to be able to miss shots and they have to be able to um they have to be able to make mistakes and pick themselves back up, and we have to be there for them.
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So it takes I think it takes a lot of humility as the grumpy older person who already knows everything to allow the younger generation to step into the into these roles and to make it their own role.
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Yeah.
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And something uh that as I was talking yesterday, we see this with Elijah.
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Elijah in in chapter in 1 Kings chapter 19, he takes his mantle off and puts it into Elisha, right?
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Yeah, and that's just that kind of the picture of Elisha is about to get a calling, and Elijah knows he's about to get a calling.
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Yeah, so he's getting him ready.
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Hey, feel, feel yeah, you've you've got take my clothes, yeah.
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You've got something big coming up.
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Feel it, get feel the power a little bit.
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How does it feel, right?
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It's scary, isn't it?
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It is scary.
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Uh and I was telling the church that that's the beginning of the calling for Elisha.
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Now, I keep saying that Elisha because in Spanish it's called Elías and Eliseo.
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Which is two different confusing.
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Well, no, it's confusing in English.
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Elisha.
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Yeah, that's I think I only messed it up once, I think, yesterday.
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I said at the beginning of both sermons, I was like, um, we're gonna mess this up.
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Yeah, so Spanish is Elias Eliseo.
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So I was able to brag a little bit yesterday.
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I was like, that's why I like Spanish sometimes because it's easier to understand it.
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Let's not go back to rigobone and jitterboom.
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But as I was as I was processing through some of this, I don't want to jump from you, but um this morning I was sitting in the, as Jesus was teaching, the greater love is no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
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Now, I think first of all, and primarily that is Jesus Christ.
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He he laid down his life for all of us, for all of humanity, you know, that we can bow before him.
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But that is also our calling in life, that it's not about us.
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Yeah.
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None of this is about us.
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And so that as we navigate this, this life now the world tells us it's all about.
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Yeah.
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It's all about you, Cameron.
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You know, it's all about what makes you feel good, what makes you do all this.
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Um, but it's all about us daily sacrificing for the sake of the kingdom.
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And that means for those around us too.
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Yeah.
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And that's the mindset we need to kind of have every day.
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It's not about me, but it's about the kingdom of God, right?
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We live in a culture, like you were saying, that is what I want, what I need, what I desire, instead of putting how can I be Jesus outside of just my own needs, right?
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And we see this in Elijah and Elisha and how Elijah scan, right?
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And one of the questions I was asking the church yesterday is this who are we investing right now to get him ready after we are gone?
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Absolutely because everything has a start and an end for us as humans.
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Absolutely.
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And at the end of the day, I want people to know of Jesus, not to know of Yayo.
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Yeah.
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So when I worked uh centric kid when I was in college, you know, that's those kind of things.
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You go to camps, and and kids and teenagers, they'd be like, oh, you know, I saw you on stage, you're doing this, you're doing that.
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And and so one of the things that that we talked about regularly, we would write it on our hands too.
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We'd do FM on our hands, the idea of forget me.
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Forget me.
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I hope not a single kid remembers me from those days, you know, and and yesterday we had a great all three worship services, really good.
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I hope they don't remember anything of us, that it's all about Jesus and the next generation, too.
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I've heard it said that we should be like this scaffolding and that we're creating the platform for, like Nick was saying, we want our kids to do greater things than we would ever even imagine.
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That we've anything that we've been able to do or see, like we want, we want our kids to take it to that next level.
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But guess what?
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If we don't challenge them, if we don't equip them, if we don't teach them, if we don't allow them to make those mistakes, how are they gonna learn?
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How are they gonna grow?
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How are they gonna do those things?
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You know, do you know in Chancellor?
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The question is do we give the next generation authority to be able to lead as they should?
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I think we do an okay job, but we're not there yet either.
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I think we are doing an okay job, and yes, there's always room to improve and get better at it, right?
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But even as I was talking yesterday about, you know, who are we investing, I also was saying whether you know it or you don't know this, we are investing something.
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The question is, are you investing them, Jesus, or are you investing investing your ego?
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Are you showing them your ego?
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Are you showing them your your your attitude, whether it's a negative attitude or your or your pride?
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Because the next generation is watching, they are seeing us, they are looking at us.
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What are they learning from us?
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Are they seeing you praying?
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Are they seeing you worshiping?
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Are they seeing you being forgiving and loving, or are they seeing you talking smack behind somebody's back?
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Well, I love that.
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Because they they're watching.
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They're watching, and that's where I think going back to Elijah and Elisha, you know, as that as they navigated and um as they as they reversed course of of that transition?
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Yeah, they reversed course and they were marching out of Israel, they were marching out of the promised land, that unraveling of the kingdom.
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And so everywhere they stopped, though, you know, the other prophets, the groups would come up to Elisha and they would say, Hey, now you know this guy, he's about to leave.
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And every time he'd say, Shh, be quiet.
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And I love the idea that he was saying, We're not talking behind his back.
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We're not gossiping, we're not doing it this way.
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We're doing this respectfully, and we're doing this the the kind and gentle and good way.
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But yeah, man, uh, I think our kids see too much of the gossipy, the junk, the anger, you know.
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I love that.
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What are what are what are we handing over?
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The keys that we're handing to them, what are they?
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Yeah, and that's important not just for our church, but also for our for the parents watching us.
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Like parents, our your kids are watching you, they they are looking.
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And if you are in leadership with the church, leaders, the next generation is also watching you.
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Um, as you know, our 12 o'clock service day introduction.
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Right, and I was telling the church, it's like this is very important for us right now because we are setting up our next person, the next guy, right?
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And what keys are we gonna pass them?
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Are we gonna give them the good keys, the keys of hey, we're working on this together, we're trying to be together, we're trying to make it happen.
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When you come in, we're gonna we are going to continue doing this.
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Or are you going to be passing the keys of oh, we don't want you here, we don't want this, or all this negative.
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And that's why I was like, this is important for us right now.
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Because we are practicing this, we are living this as a as an entire congregation.
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Yeah, uh so it was good, good response, right?
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But I also jumped a little bit uh later and saying that also the third phase.
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Let's go there.
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The giving your death away.
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And that title, Cameron, I texted you last in the morning yesterday because I was talking to my wife about it, and she was saying, That's that's a weird way to say that.
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Giving your death away, I was and that always got me.
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I was like, huh, that's interesting.
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So I was listening to again, uh Ronald Rolheiser, where a lot of this came from.
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So I was listening to him, and he was asked this very question.
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And he said, What does that mean, giving your death away?
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And so, of course, he took it back to Jesus.
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Of course.
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And as Jesus on his time in in in in you know, fleshly form of God, the Son of God here on earth, and so at his very end, he said, It is finished.
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Meaning it's done.
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And then previously, as he's speaking to his disciples, he says, Peace I give to you, peace I leave with you.
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He says, When you die, give your death away.
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When you die, will there be peace in your family?
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Will there be peace in your kids?
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Will there be peace in those around you because you crossed that finish line?
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Of course there will be be grief, because you know, when when you lose someone that you love, there is grief.
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But if you know they are one with Jesus, that they are then in that great cloud of witnesses, and that they finished that that they crossed that finish line, pleasing Jesus every step of the way, that's where he brought it back to giving your death away, that you leave this wake of peace and not that this this trouble among kids and those around you because you were just like Nick said, the grumpy old man until the very end, which hey, I'm pretty good at being that guy.
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Um, but do we leave this wake of peace and that we've crossed that finish line well by giving your death away.
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Yeah, and here's the thing with that crowd.
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Uh I was telling telling the church yesterday, this may be our grandparents, right?
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Uh, our older generation.
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And I was telling them, but just because you give your death away, doesn't mean you still you're not finished yet.
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You gotta finish well.
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And how are you finishing?
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Now, kind of like what you are saying to them.
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Like, sometimes you may think, oh, they don't care about me anymore.
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So I'm just gonna get lazy and not do anything.
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No, we need you still.
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Yeah.
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Uh Christine Kane's been speaking about this recently.
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There's a great interview, uh, she and Carrie Newhoff several months ago that I listened to and I love.
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So she's in her 60s now and leading at the highest level, and she's getting frustrated because she's seeing her peers in that same demographic.
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Um, now I, you know, I'm 39 right now, you're 38 right now, um, my back hurts, I'm tired.
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I need more coffee.
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But so she's looking around at her peers in her 60s, and they're saying she's saying, Why are you quitting?
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Why are you opting out?
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She's saying, This next generation needs us to continue to lead.
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And then her quote was, I haven't come this far to only come this far.
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Oh I was like, mic drop.
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Wow.
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Let me replay that one.
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I haven't come this far to only come this far.
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And so she is continuing to lead, continuing to serve, continuing to take care of those around her.
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I'm sure she could retire, opt out, and cruise the rest of her life, but she's continuing to serve and be faithful.
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And now we're in a generation where, you know, us daggole millennials, yeah, there we are, we aren't leading as well as the 25-year-olds who are leading these incredible revivals and things like that.
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And so we get to witness that.
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We are kind of in this weird generation.
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But guess what?
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Tom Rayner uh has a study out from 2000 to now, there's been a 15% decrease of uh regular church attendance in 65-year-olds plus.
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So why is that?
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I think we're seeing uh a generation, and and this is you know, this is me speaking to myself to learn to challenge myself to say, hey, Cameron, say you're not talking about this.
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She says, I want to be, she says, I want to be the little old lady at church taking cookies to people.
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You know, I say, well, you can start with me, but um, but uh I think what we're seeing is people live longer now, health is better, retirement systems are are pretty solid in that in that demographic, and so suddenly there's this freedom that's out there that didn't exist 30, 40 years ago, if we're honest either.
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And so suddenly it's this it's this new freedom that's out there as well.
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I mean there's other things at play eventually, because we all find ourselves in a place at some point in life where we can't drive, shouldn't drive, uh, you know, ailments, different things.
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We all find ourselves there.
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Um But we didn't come this far to just come this far, yeah.
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And I was telling the church yesterday, and I was like, your role maybe changed from leading, we changed from leading to encouraging that.
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So that third group, that third phase should be looking backwards and encouraging the next generation.
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I was given the uh story of my spiritual mentor who's 72 years old, a retired missionary.
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He went to Uruguay and uh did a lot of work, and I know that now that he's back to the States, he's been coaching me for the past 12, 15 years.
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And man, he is always praying for me.
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He's calling me once a month, hey, how are you doing?
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And I was like, I think all of us should be at Ron Roy.
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And Ron Roy, that's his name.
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He'll say, I don't retire, I'll continue, but my role has changed.
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I love that.
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Yeah, we like ministry ministry.
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You don't retire from ministry because you you die expecting to go to heaven.
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That's when you retire, right?
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And he's like, My job is to encourage the next generation and love.
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And I I was telling the church yesterday, Cameron.
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I was like, Ron Roy knows some of you guys' names.
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And he will ask me, How's Cameron doing?
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How's Snick doing?
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How's Luis doing?
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He knows your name, Luis, by the way.
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I mean, he'll ask me names because he cares.
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And I feel like that's an important role for our next, for that third phase.
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Like, are you encouraging?
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And now, sometimes it's hard for that crew because it's hard to let go.
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Which crew?
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The older crew?
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The older crew.
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It's hard to let go.
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It's like, what this is what I created.
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And sometimes you have to be willing to let go.
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Yes.
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And that's that takes time.
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And that's for all of us, you know.
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We we we we get selfish in our things and we care a lot about our things, but what if what if they do far better than us?
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Yeah, you know, we've got we've got some some uh some of our guys that are getting.
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Into preaching and doing these things.
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And, you know, I'll call out some of our guys like James Kissler.
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He's becoming an amazing preacher.
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He's he's just now starting out and he is nailing it.
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I love it.
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You know, and he's going out and able to do these things, and he's gone and served even in other churches to do it.
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And so we're seeing these guys who are who are stepping up and doing a mighty thing.
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Um, what keeps us from being curious?
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Because we what you know, we find ourselves, okay, we've got life together, that first phase.
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And we're like, okay, that's all I need to do.
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I've got my VBS faith.
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I know I've got a Bible.
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I've, you know, I go to church some, got life together.
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What stops us from being curious to continue to want to learn and grow and share with others?
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What what is that barrier that keeps us from being curious, do you think?
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I feel like sometimes we put that barrier of we think we're good enough.
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Like, I don't need help.
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I got this, right?
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We live in this culture where I can just grab my phone and answer everything I want without going to somebody.
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I think technology could be a barrier.
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I think AI, I mean, I do I love AI, but I think AI can be a barrier for some people.
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Well, I I'm not gonna call camera in the past and let me just ask chat.
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Let me ask chat, right?
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Um thing I love the curious is that this the third generation, the older group, maybe it's not giving it the opportunity for the second generation to be curious.
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So I feel it's like they're both mixed together.
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Like we we divide ourselves.
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Yeah.
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And when we shouldn't be dividing ourselves.
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I feel like uh I'm not gonna ask this person because that person is gonna tell me you gotta do it this way.
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Because this this way only works.
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And I feel that's part of that barrier that we we we are building.
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Yeah.
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There's a I think there's a comfort there's like comfort and there's also kind of weariness too.
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Like the things that you grow comfortable with um are where you go to avoid the weariness of constantly having to learn and grow.
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One one of the questions that the that the uh high schoolers you were saying there was a lot of questions about cars.
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They were like, they just assume older folks know everything about cars.
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And uh it's just it's an interesting example of like when you get older and you you can invest in a car that you don't have to worry about changing the oil and always checking the tire pressure and all that.
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You you stop doing those things.
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I feel like when you like like when my dad was younger, he was always working on a car, he was always fixing something.
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As he's in his 70s now, he doesn't do have to do that, and so he doesn't do it because he doesn't need to.
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He's got the he's got a more comfortable ride that he doesn't have to do all that maintenance on.
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And I think that I think spiritually some of that happens.
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I mean, I I feel uh I have to fight that myself too.
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Don't get comfortable, don't get so comfortable that you're not looking forward to going from I I I look forward to going from being the person who needs encouragement all the time to being that person who gets to be an encourager instead.
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Yeah.
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Um I I really look forward to that phase of life.
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And I and I hope I have that mindset when I get there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think that's a good, good challenge for all of us, though, to do that, to reach down.
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And uh and when I, you know, we can speak generationally and there's a lot there.
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Um, I've always been a champion as I speak to adults, you know, whether it's through my years of youth ministry or even sitting in in this seat now, as I talk to adults.
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Um I I very much believe our our kids and teenagers want to have that relationship.
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Um they don't know how, or maybe they probably don't even know how to say it, but you know, we are created for community and kids are kids are born curious and like needing community and wanting community.
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It's a part of who we are.
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And so I always challenge us, say, adults, you're to be the adults.
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Don't don't wait for a kid to come and say this, don't wait for a teenager to come and say this.
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You know the struggles of teenagers.
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Yeah, all teenagers are teenagers.
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We've always been the same.
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They might dress kind of different, although even that kind of keeps that that's cyclical, so that comes back.
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So I always say, adults, you be the adult.
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Yeah, yeah, you go, yeah, you start this relationship.
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Yeah, and one of the things I was saying yesterday as well was um saying that Elisha was called to be Elisha, not to be Elijah.
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Yeah.
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And sometimes we want to force people to be just like us.
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And no, then they are not called to be like Yah.
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They are called to be who God calls them to their identity, right?
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And that's what happens sometimes.
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We want them to do it the same way.
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Oh, you are called to be a Elijah, not Elisha.
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No, God called two different worlds and two different cultures and two different dynamics, right?
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Like the way you live today was is not, may not even work the way you live back in your days.
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And that's just the reality of it.
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And we have to be okay with that.
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And that's that section where you let go.
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Yes.
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And just encourage.
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So we need encouragers.
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And that's why that third phase, that older group, is important because you guys seen life, and you guys can give us tips in how we should be able to do things.
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Been there, done that, made it, you know, realize there's there's hope at the end of the tunnel in that.
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Well, let me, a quick story, we're running out of time, but just last week we had um uh Katie Dunbar shared her testimony, and she did a great job with that.
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And I knew one of our teenagers in the room was struggling with some of those things.
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And I I watched this happen as she realized, oh, Katie's story is a part of my story.
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And I saw as Katie was getting to, you know, in this phase of life where she is now, saying, you know, Jesus has all of this and the redemption and the forgiveness she has found, you know, towards others who who she was able to do that.
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And in, you know, thank you, Jesus.
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And so I got to watch this other student recognize in Katie's testimony, oh, there's lie to the end of the tunnel.
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Jesus is in charge and in control of all of this.
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And so because Katie was willing to share and invest into others, the generation beneath her, I was able to see that hope spark in her.
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And so we all need that.
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So no matter what age or phase of life we're in, we haven't come this far to only come this far.
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And the calling is still there for you.
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The calling is there on this side of eternity.
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Yep.
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We just say yes to Jesus.
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Amen.
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