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The Money Making Conversation interviews provide relatable information to the listener about career and financial planning, entrepreneurship, motivation, leadership, overcoming the arts, and how to live a balanced life. It's very important as we put these as I these shows. As this program has grown, I've learned that a lot of people have been touched by the information that we give them and considered life changing, and I feel blessed to be able to have a presentation like that on a regular basis. My next guest is in studio. He's ready to go. He's an attorney, entrepreneur, philanthropists. He was on top of the world when he was Falster accused and convicted of being a drug kingpan in nineteen one. He was sentenced to life in prison plus seventy two years on other drug convictions. He is now the executive producer of the new ABC fictional legal and family drama series for Life, Please Work with the Money Making Conversations Isaac Wright Jr. Glad to be here. How are you pretty good? How do you feel? My man? I feel great. It's a good time. It's a good time in your life. Yes, indeed, well you know I was. You know, I get up at four o'clock every day and uh we did that. That didn't freeze you? How? You know? That throws to me a little bit. What time you get up? It come on that? Well, sometimes I'm still up at four o'clock. It just depends on It just depends on what's on my plate for the for the following day of the following week. Um. I try to get up as early as I possibly can, but I get to bed so late trying to trying to catch up. I mean, I've been playing catch up lately, especially with the with the show, and uh, you know, my my career and my obligations, responsibilities to the court, and so I've been juggling, you know, all these responsibilities, and so it's it's been a little bit more hectic. But I try to get up. I mean I could never get up at four o'clock in the morning, I mean if if I went to bed earlier to that. But I try to get up at least between seven thirty and eight o'clock every morning. Now, I had a intro was pretty dramatic, you know what I'm saying. Uh, you know, in nineteen and one, you were sentenced to life in prison plus seventy two years, and and other seventy two plus seventy two years. If life wasn't enough, we got seven to two years. We can just go just for just good measures, just in case you confused about the life I got some two years. Wait, no, you And now you're sitting here next to me executive producing an ABC series with my man fifty cents. How does that happen? Brother? Come on? Um, you know fifty was a made man when I when I when I met him, obviously. Uh. And then in addition to him being a made man in the rap world and in business. Um. He had already had one of the number one TV shows Power you know on the air Stars and so UM. I met him through uh a mutual friend. This guy UM that I met him through. He owned an illegal fight club. He ran an illegal fight club in the Bronx and illegal. It was illegal. Yeah. They you know, they did the they did the fighting things in the in the in the warehouses and the you know the Junkyard sanction that nothing was sanction it was. It was actually shut down a few times by by law enforcement. UM. And so it was it was top of the line illegal. UM. But he was successful in getting to three people to come out and watch these fights. And as a as a popularity in the in the fight group, it became tougher to you know, to keep it on the ground. He even had rappers to come out, Fat Joe, Remy Mall. They came out, they would perform during intermission and he was trying to at illegal fight club. Yeah. They got there rapping, yeah. Yeah. And in the ring there was a big ring. They build a ring. You know, they listened. It was so sophisticated. They had drones that was up in the in the in the guy beating the camera down from the top angle and streaming that, you know, the cell phones and everything. I mean, the guy, he really had it put together. The problem was it was illegal. So you know when you went to the the fifties, like you know, fifty men, you know, you take us really really over the top. If you come out and perform and in fift I listen, I gotta promote promotors license in Nevada, Nevada. If I come to your fight club, I'm gonna lose that. I'm not as I'm not gonna do that. He says. When you get legal, uh, you know, I'll come out and perform. And so you know, they spent tens of thousands of dollar as an attorneys trying to get legal. Fifty even passed him a couple and fifties attorneys basically told him up front, listen, you're out of your mind. It's never gonna happen. It's impossible, uh, to just move through through the regulatory issues to get something like this legal. This just can't be done. And so another individual who's the owner of Rough Riders, Darren Dean, is a friend of mine. Uh he heard this guy. His name is Hove. He heard him complaining, you know, about not being able to get legal and all the money that he spent. So so Darren says, listen, where all these lawyers failed you. I think I got the guy that may be able to help you out. So he introduced me to Hope, and Hope told me his issues, and I actually went to one of the legal flight cover. This was in two thousand and so I went to I went to one of the the fights just to get a feel on what was happening. And I said, okay, you know what, I'll help you, and I got them legal in two weeks, and fifty went out and performed, and ut fifty went out and performed. He was like, he was blown away. How to how in the world were you able to do this? Who did this? Because when he got there there was police on both sides of the street. There was hundreds of people outside. There was a police on both sides of the street. So he thought fifty thought when he got there that they were getting ready to shut it down. The actually just driver to act the police, you know, what was up? What's going on? So the police says a crowd control when when you see where out here doing crowd control. So so so like as you know, everybody going, cops, oh go have go have fun. We're gonna make We're just out here to make sure everybody's say, traffic flow. So he wouldn't have performed, and you know, he was like, how the hell did this happen? The guy explained to fifty you know about me, about my story and that I got them legal, and fifties like, listen, have him in my office and next tomorrow, man, I want to talk to this guy. So I sat down with Yes, that gotta be me. So I sat down with him and we talked, and you know, he was like, would you let me run with this as a TV show? You know, there was there was some talking to hear about a movie, but the fifty was like, nah, his vision was way out there. He was like, na, but people want to want to hear this. Let me back up a little bit, Isaac. When you say run with this, what was this you were talking about? What the concept was was was around a movie. And when he heard the story, he immediately I mean I can see his mind turning, you know, he immediately he said to me, he says, he kind of stopped me and he said, listen, this is not this is a movie. Can it can be later on, but this is this is a TV show. This is something that people want to be inspired over every single week. Uh. And I want to be able to be comfortable in telling this story in ways where where we can continue to enlighten and continue to inspire and continue to prove i'd hope to people. And so I said, you know, it's it's cool. Whatever you want to do. I said, okay, and he and he made it happen. And one of the things that that um was very very significant to me and in dealing with that decision that he made, is that the guy that brought me to him, now, remember this is just an idea. There's no contracts, there's no agreements, there's nothing. He goes to the guy. He says, listen, I'm gonna pay you for a year. Tomorrow. Come by my office tomorrow. I'll have the cash you're waiting for you. That's how confident he was and what he had and what he knew what he could do with it. He started committing himself before the financially, before there was any agreement. Well, no, he didn't do it to me. He did it to the guy that that brought me there. In other words, he said, listen, I'm not leaving you out. You're gonna be a part of this too. But what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna pay you in advance for an entire year for every episode that I believe that's going that I'm I'll be able to get out the first year. I'm gonna pay you for that now. And he didn't even speak to He had spoken to nobody, no writers. Sony was nowhere to be found at that time. Maybec was nowhere to be found. He but he knew he saw the road and and and he committed himself on that road that he saw and it materialized. I mean, he's he was a visionary. And when I saw that because I see those things, you know, I the experience that I have in trying to survive in prison, in a maximum security prison, and it was the only one for seven and a half years. It was the only one in the state. So that meant that that that every undesirable that was there was put in the same place with everybody else. And in order to survive in that environment, you have to learn how to size a person up in zero point three seconds, I could size you up even if you don't open your mouth. When he did that, I knew because I was there, I was talking to him, I was studying him to longer he was studying me. I was studying him. I knew I could roll the dice and turn my back. And that's what I did. I rolled the dice, walked out his office, and here I am. Are you happy? Emulated so seven in prison? Yes, when I read your story, it was started. You represented yourself? Yes? Why? Um? In trial the first time, I represented myself from the outset, but no legal training, no legal training, and all I had was a high school diploma. Most of most of the most of the grounds that I made, and most of the law that I created, I created with the high school diploma. While I was in prison, most of the people that I that I got out, I got out with a high school diploma. Um. And and and that's one of the reasons why I can I'm still saying that today is because I haven't been licensed that long, because because of the challenges that they that is, when I actually got licensed, they investigated me. I passed the bar actually in two thousand and eight. If if I had been licensed after I passed the bar, I would have probably quadrupled what I had accomplished when I was in prison by now. And Uh. But what they did was they investigated me for another nine years, something that should have taken a couple of weeks. Uh. They investigating me for nine years before giving me my license, and what I literally had to do. UM, after nine years had passed, there was a Supreme Court justice, her name was Virginia Long out of New Jersey. She was one of the justices that that made a landmark ruling in my civil case. UM that for the first time in the history of that state. It made the state viable for conduct of prosecutors. And before it was counties counties that would have been live and there was there was all these immunities that went with it, but my case changed that, and she was one of the judges. She retired. UM around two thousand, fifteen sixteen. She retired, And when I found she retired, I wentn't looking for her, and I located her in a law firm, very huge law from international law from called Fox Rachaw. I called her up and she remembered who I was, and she offered me to come in for a consultation. I sat down with her and when she found out what was going on, she was really appalled about it. She was it was it was just incredible to her as a Supreme Court retired Supreme Court justice, because you know, the Supreme Court controls all of that. They're the top dogs when it comes down to not only the judicial system in the state, but also who practices and who doesn't. If there's disciplinary actions, they're the ones who suspends you or disciplinary disciplines you, or or revoke your license. They control all of that. So she basically let me know and no, no, no small terms that uh she felt for my situation, she uh was going to she couldn't actually represent me because it was a conflict of interest and being that she was on the bench during my civil case. But fortunately her husband was also a partner at the firm, and so she says, what I'm going to do is I'm going to let my husband represent you. That's me. My husband represents me and I represent him. Um, and being that I was on the bench, they understand what that means. So he came in and within six months I had a license. Within after nine years when he came in within six months, I had a license. And there's a picture of me. You can see it on the internet. It's all over the internet, and it's on my Instagram of me being sworn in. There's a lady with with blonde hair, light light whitish blonde hair, an older lady swearing me in. That sir, that's a retired chief not Chief Justice, but Justice of the Supreme Court of the Congratulations. This problem is nationwide and and people are in their effects, predominantly people of color. And so when you hear me say something like that, does it get you mad, motivates you for change? It doesn't. It doesn't get me mad at all. Uh, it motivates, It motivates me for change and and and to be honest with you. Um, And this is a controversial statement that I'm gonna make, but I really believe in it. I think as as minorities, as as blacks, um, we've been we've been mad for a long time. And I think I think we should because being mad takes a lot of energy. And I think if we refocused as a people, refocused that energy on making changes, because we're a powerful people, well we really, we really really are and a lot of times anger has a has a way of distorting the way you think and the decisions that you make. Um. But if if we can if we can uh refocus a lot of anger into action. Uh. You know, I think we can move mountains as a people. Uh. And and you know, even for me being in the situation that I was in, there was room for for a lot of anger, for for for being enraged, and and just to just to give you an example of what I'm saying, there was a there was a time early on when I had a decided that I was going to represent myself. And you know that was a you talk about when you represent yourself in court, in court, yes, in my during my my my trials. Um. You know, I had made a decision early on that I was going to represent myself. And I remember I was in my cell working on a on an emotion, and um, I was I was working almost all night, and I fell asleep in the middle of writing the motion, and maybe an hour or two I woke back up and I decided that I was going to pick up where I left off, and I began to read what I had written just to kind of get myself acquainted with it again and started where I left off. And and when I started reading, I began to look around because it seemed to me that there was something wrong. That was I was beginning to look around to see where those papers were that I was working on, where that emotion was that I was working on, because I didn't even recognize what I was reading it was it was so it was so overwhelmed with emotion and anger that I didn't recognize myself. I didn't recognize the person that had written it. And that was That was a divine moment for me because it it took me somewhere mentally and emotionally that I needed to go in the sense that that I was never going to have the kind of focus that I needed to have in order to get myself out of this situation being burdened down with negative emotions um and anger is a very negative emotion. Sometimes it's well placed, but most of the time, anger is a very very misplaced emotion. The moment I decided that I was going to manage and control all that I had to learn to separate myself from my that emotional state, and the moment I did that, uh, I moved into a moment of such clarity, uh that it was a snowball right my, my, the gift that God had given me for the law. The first time I picked up the law book, it was like I'd dide in all my life. It's finally here, the season of celebration. And no matter how you celebrate with family and friends, whether you're preparing for reis magos or Karamu lighting the Manura, are going to midnight mass, Coals has just what you need to make those traditions special. Plus you'll find gifts for all your loved ones. Send warm wishes with cozy fleeces, sweaters, loungeware, blankets and throws. Support minority owned or founded brands by giving gifts from Human Nation and shame moisture, or treat them to everyone's favorite activewear from top brands like Nike, Adidas, and under Armour. 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Still living in one and manually taking notes start the new year with auto dot ai to generate automatic notes for meetings, interviews, or lectures. With auto dot ai, you can search the meeting notes, insert images, play back the audio, and share them with your friends or coworkers. You can capture action items, remember meeting details, and keep everyone informed. Auto dot ai works for in person or virtual meetings like Zoom, Microsoft Teams, and Google Meet. Sign up for free at auto dit ai or download the app for free auto dot ai. That's O T T E R dot ai And that's just amazing, because that wasn't the direction you used pursuing your life. Until this happened, had absolutely no interest in the law at all, um and and and never picked up a law book before in my life. And the first time I did it was like I was doing it all my life. And in that moment of clarity, Uh took a gift and turned it into a snowball rolling down a hill. So that seven and a half years later, by the time I got back in court, I was so good that I got a veteran police officer to confess on the stand. And that that's how I actually how I how I ultimately got out a veteran cop Uh seven and a half years before that, he was a detective in the prosecutors office. Seven and a half years later, when I got him back on that stand, he was the chief of the police academy. That's how much he had risen. And and obviously he's a more sophisticated individual, and I was able to get him to literally not only confess, but to put himself in jail. I mean, you know, when you confess the misconduct like that, perjured testimony, falsifying police reports, you know you're you're going to jail. And so you know, I was just that good seven and a half years later, no law degree, high school diploma, and I did something that lawyers practiced their entire life to do. I did that as a person, as a young man with with the high school diploma. Now and when I look at the television series, the lead lead actor has that anger in him, Yes, anger because it should be there because he's not he's not he's in the place he's not supposed to be of your wife played by George Bryant. Um. Also, she's living in it with your best friend, and then your daughter. They're now living with your best friend, yes, in a romantic relationship, and now you're in jail. What made that character development like that? What was the whole rationale was setting it up like that? Um? Well, you know the the the the colleague we I just gave you about what I had to go through to actually get a license. It's a very long time. That's a couple of decades, and so creatively, what was the decision was made to condense that? Um, so that we can carry the public through some of the triumphs and and and some of the agonies of defeat that you go through in that process. Uh and so and and what the family is going through with you. And so Aaron Wallace is a representation of you know, all those things wrapped up into one, even the emotions that I was telling you about. One of the things about me having to hide that emotion and having to control it is that it does not give the public what was really going on inside me. And so what we decided to do is we decided to allow the public to reflect on not only this anger and this agony that Aaron was going through as a character, but also how he has to manage to control it in order to move ahead. That's that's that's key. And uh, you know, you have the the the destruction of family that occurs when you're when you're in prison, um, and when you're in relationships, the destruction of the relationship, the the total annihilation of the family nucleus. And so this, this this conflict between this three way conflict between Aaron, his best friend, and his wife, you know, is a reality. You know, these things happen, uh in the world. I went in uh in prison. I went into prison with the family, with a wife and a daughter, you know, and when I came out of prison, I didn't have my family anymore, you know, and so and so those are the realities of prison for many men. Uh in America. I mean, it's it's very, very difficult to have a life sentence with seven years on top of it and people waiting for you to come home, you know. Uh, the the the general consensus is that the power of the government is is too large for you and it's time to move on emotionally, physically. And then you trapped with that idea that I'm in a s yes, wait for me, wait for me, wait for me. So you call. Did you ever give up with that? With that emotional damage that you know it's being done to your family and the fact that you don't know if you can actually get yourself out of jail. Um. No, I didn't never give up, you know. You know. One of the things about about dealing with these kind of challenges is that is that it starts with your mind. My reality was that I was going to die in prison, and so that's right. But but but the reason why that was my reality is because someone gave me that reality. That reality was given to me, and so that wasn't the reality that I created. That was the reality that was given to me. And So what I did was I lived in my reality, the one I created. That's why I didn't. I wasn't going to be a slave to the reality that they created for me. Which is important, you know, which is very very control can control my reality. The reality got you living in is an uncontrolled environment. You don't know what the food next year gona. You don't know if your cell door is gonna open three o'clock in the morning and someone comes in there, whether a shame can take your life. You have no idea what's gonna happen to you from one day or the other. And so one of the things that I did was I created my own reality, and that reality was based on on my own intellect, the gifts that I had in the tenacity, uh, that I engaged in order to protect myself and my family, mostly my family, because this was not just an attack on me, It was an attack on my family. Uh. And when you look at the destruction going on around you that you are inside watching you can't do anything about you, You realize that this was more than just about you. This is this is about how it decimates families and communities. Absolutely, and you were right in the middle of that now now you're an executive producer, you're given that title for this ABC series we're talking about Isaza right, Jr. Your story inspired this series. It's a fictional series about a fact, a legal series and the family dynamics as on ABC Arizona Tuesday nights. Um Cents will make a guest appearance on March four. What is your role as an executive producer of the series, Um, Well, executive producers. Uh, the other boss. But I mean that's why that's what I said. There there's a there's a number of us. I mean there's there's Allison Greenspan, Doug Robertson, he's an executive ducer. Fifty as an executive producer, you know, the big bosses, Sony and ABC. Uh, And I have ABC with me right now. They're they're not only my boss, but but they're also my partner. Absolutely absolutely, And that's where it should be. That's what that's what you want people. I would tell people if you if you're promoting your traveling along, that's not good. You've got people traveling with you. That's the side that they care and they want to make it happen. And this is this is a great series. First of all, because I was emotionally charged by the whole breakdown of that person. Who Here's an interesting thing about the series four Life that we're talking about that's inspired by your incarceration and your triumph as a as a as an attorney now and for lancipison and entrepreneur, is that as as as he's in prison and then he used to go out of prison, he gets to put on the suit, but then he's dictated, Hey, it's time to undress, time to go back to what you really are supposed to be. And so that really is a mental tub and so that really it's what inspires me to say, Wow, he's dealing out our root for him all. And so you this plays out. This is the opening, um, I guess credits talk about I used to be one of you guys, used to be just like you. I was free, and then all of a sudden, I got the police busted to my night club and found drugs and then announced me to be a Keen Paig announcer in life in prison, my family has been yanked away from me. My wife she now is living in a relationship with my best friend, my daughter. I don't know what she's doing in her life, but guess what I want to reconnect with her, and that is the serious. So right there, it sets up a lane of frustration and passion for the character. And so the serious is tied to the fact that every episode is this he's developing as a man because he has to redevelop as a man in prison. He's a man outside of prison, but a man in prison is a different person because you're dealing with different dynamics. And so each episode is his journey for not only trying to seek his freedom, but the freedom of other people. Because every time he received success as a lawyer, that more people are inspired by his efforts. And that's what pushed me to say I want to see this show, and push me to say I want to see you. And you brought up. You brought up an incredible point because it's the easiest thing in the world for a judge not to even look at your papers when you put it in. You don't know, they just rubber stamp it. Oh, that's that's that nonsensitive stamp denied can move on. It takes a certain amount of respect to allow them to force them to do a double take and say you know what I better read this. It takes a certain level of respect and so and so what this journey does with for life, it takes eron through that growth. Aaron Wallace. Aaron Wallace, You'll see him moving through that growth where you know, in that first episode you saw him one this win this case that gave you a glimpse of a case with some complicated techniques, complicated technic and you know, and the thing about that, the thing you could because because all these things, you know, we talked about and they asked me about it, and there was a question to me about you know, you know, should we should we do this? And you know, I was like, because I'm I'm so my understanding about the system is is so intimate. I was like, of course should you That shouldn't be even question. Yes, forged that paper, you know, because here's here's the thing about this country. In this country, the way your system is supposed to be shut up, set up is that it is better for a guilty man to go free than an innocent person to spend a day in prison for something he didn't do. We would rather be guilty to go free than to send an innocent person in prison. That is the way our system of justice is supposed to be set up. That is all. That is one of the guiding principles of our system of justice, so that we can ensure that we will do whatever it takes to prevent a person that's innocent from going to prison. And that's not how it's working. It's working differently. And so when you see Aaron making that desperate move forging this document, he's forging this document. He is doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. And the risk that he's taken, you'll see down the line, it's going to come back. That risk is going to come back at him right and his family because he has a because basically a little other side noticed that a lot of people are not happy that he has a law degree. As he saw a little cool leap loop loophole allowed him to get it. And so every time he goes in front of a judge, you know, they questioned his technique, they call him a novicet, They tell him to do more homework. So he's constantly disrespected. But because he is as the as the and and the way he got the law degree, somebody vouched for him at a higher position, and that now what's happening On the d A side, they hate this, so their goal is to be able to see stop him from winning and to crush him. And so that carries so you know, you got your enemies, you got your people, your Roofa, you got the five family, and you got the prison. So it turns in the prison into like, uh, good guys. The angry guys are the d A and it's got named mask masking. They bad people, bad people, bad people. And so so when you when you see that and just letting people, why would I watch this series? How would I relate to the series. You're gonna relate because it as a family dynamic in it. You can relate because you you feel some type of pain, but because somebody is innocently incarcerated. And then you realize, also this is regular people. This is regular regular people. And even even when he's uh, even when he's um found out, one of the gods provides him with information so they know he's a good guy. And so that is when I'm I love good storytelling, and so good storytelling helps me out when they plug in it. Yes, the reason this action is happening, why is it happen? Why is it. Why is why are we doing this? Because I hate it when you just jump over the jump over three to get the five. You know, these dark tunnels, whether it's the information, is the important information to give continuity is missing. But this, this story, this is continuity there and you can follow it, uh, and you can understand, you know, why these things are happening and the things that you don't really understand it's hidden from you in the beginning. It's revealed to you, you know, revealed to you later on. But but I think they did an incredible job. Uh. Nicholas Peanuck? Uh is the am I pronouncing that right? Pinuck? I'm sorry. I hope he's not listening right now. But Nicholas, you know, he's an incredible actor. Um. He just he is so profound in his acting. And you've seen the episode. So I'm speaking to the choir right now. That it has it has affected me that it is. It has been therapeutic for me watching him because it's like it's like watching myself, and the things that he shows outwardly are the things that I know I was feeling inside. You know. You know. The interesting thing about it, Nicholas plays the character Aaron Wallace, which is the lead character in this series for Life, which is on ABC Ers on Tuesday night. The thing about it is that you know, he can't say character with anger so close to the edge. Man, I feel nervous when he with the warden. I feel nervous for him. Shut up, dude, would you should be quiet? Because he's always internally mad. Yeah, And that's what I love about the character. And it makes me nervous. It makes me nervous in a good way. You know what I'm saying from a from a viewer stand for him and going, hey, dude, shut up, you're about to blow it. Would you just calmed down? Because its character just goes so close to the edge all the time. And that's a that's beautiful man. It is. And I had nobody to tell me that. I had to learn that um from from trial and error and so and so. What's beautiful about it it's because that reality not only taps into his humanity, but but it also just like what you were doing, you were trying to guide him from the TV sets. Shut up, shut up. You're pushing too far when they let him in. You know, because I've seen his anger when he led him in the room with the warden by herself. Please don't braw this woman start strangling. Okay, cool? Well, guess what they gave me the signal. I hopefully you enjoyed this interview. I've been enjoying. We went kind of along, but I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep talking to you. I appreciate. The beautiful thing about this show is that Tuesday night, my man fifty cents to be making a guest the parents his character on the show. Do you know fifty? He does it both ways? You know, you know fifty fifty? Uh created the power series and got my fifty. Most shows about the bounce out Uh and Havoc. Havoc is coming with fifty character. Havoc is getting ready to come that it comes to other way. 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The Money Making Conversation interviews provide relatable information to the listener about career and financial planning, entrepreneurship, motivation, leadership, overcoming the arts, and how to live a balanced life. It's very important as we put these as I these shows. As this program has grown, I've learned that a lot of people have been touched by the information that we give them and considered life changing, and I feel blessed to be able to have a presentation like that on a regular basis. My next guest is in studio. He's ready to go. He's an attorney, entrepreneur, philanthropists. He was on top of the world when he was Falster accused and convicted of being a drug kingpan in nineteen one. He was sentenced to life in prison plus seventy two years on other drug convictions. He is now the executive producer of the new ABC fictional legal and family drama series for Life, Please Work with the Money Making Conversations Isaac Wright Jr. Glad to be here. How are you pretty good? How do you feel? My man? I feel great. It's a good time. It's a good time in your life. Yes, indeed, well you know I was. You know, I get up at four o'clock every day and uh we did that. That didn't freeze you? How? You know? That throws to me a little bit. What time you get up? It come on that? Well, sometimes I'm still up at four o'clock. It just depends on It just depends on what's on my plate for the for the following day of the following week. Um. I try to get up as early as I possibly can, but I get to bed so late trying to trying to catch up. I mean, I've been playing catch up lately, especially with the with the show, and uh, you know, my my career and my obligations, responsibilities to the court, and so I've been juggling, you know, all these responsibilities, and so it's it's been a little bit more hectic. But I try to get up. I mean I could never get up at four o'clock in the morning, I mean if if I went to bed earlier to that. But I try to get up at least between seven thirty and eight o'clock every morning. Now, I had a intro was pretty dramatic, you know what I'm saying. Uh, you know, in nineteen and one, you were sentenced to life in prison plus seventy two years, and and other seventy two plus seventy two years. If life wasn't enough, we got seven to two years. We can just go just for just good measures, just in case you confused about the life I got some two years. Wait, no, you And now you're sitting here next to me executive producing an ABC series with my man fifty cents. How does that happen? Brother? Come on? Um, you know fifty was a made man when I when I when I met him, obviously. Uh. And then in addition to him being a made man in the rap world and in business. Um. He had already had one of the number one TV shows Power you know on the air Stars and so UM. I met him through uh a mutual friend. This guy UM that I met him through. He owned an illegal fight club. He ran an illegal fight club in the Bronx and illegal. It was illegal. Yeah. They you know, they did the they did the fighting things in the in the in the warehouses and the you know the Junkyard sanction that nothing was sanction it was. It was actually shut down a few times by by law enforcement. UM. And so it was it was top of the line illegal. UM. But he was successful in getting to three people to come out and watch these fights. And as a as a popularity in the in the fight group, it became tougher to you know, to keep it on the ground. He even had rappers to come out, Fat Joe, Remy Mall. They came out, they would perform during intermission and he was trying to at illegal fight club. Yeah. They got there rapping, yeah. Yeah. And in the ring there was a big ring. They build a ring. You know, they listened. It was so sophisticated. They had drones that was up in the in the in the guy beating the camera down from the top angle and streaming that, you know, the cell phones and everything. I mean, the guy, he really had it put together. The problem was it was illegal. So you know when you went to the the fifties, like you know, fifty men, you know, you take us really really over the top. If you come out and perform and in fift I listen, I gotta promote promotors license in Nevada, Nevada. If I come to your fight club, I'm gonna lose that. I'm not as I'm not gonna do that. He says. When you get legal, uh, you know, I'll come out and perform. And so you know, they spent tens of thousands of dollar as an attorneys trying to get legal. Fifty even passed him a couple and fifties attorneys basically told him up front, listen, you're out of your mind. It's never gonna happen. It's impossible, uh, to just move through through the regulatory issues to get something like this legal. This just can't be done. And so another individual who's the owner of Rough Riders, Darren Dean, is a friend of mine. Uh he heard this guy. His name is Hove. He heard him complaining, you know, about not being able to get legal and all the money that he spent. So so Darren says, listen, where all these lawyers failed you. I think I got the guy that may be able to help you out. So he introduced me to Hope, and Hope told me his issues, and I actually went to one of the legal flight cover. This was in two thousand and so I went to I went to one of the the fights just to get a feel on what was happening. And I said, okay, you know what, I'll help you, and I got them legal in two weeks, and fifty went out and performed, and ut fifty went out and performed. He was like, he was blown away. How to how in the world were you able to do this? Who did this? Because when he got there there was police on both sides of the street. There was hundreds of people outside. There was a police on both sides of the street. So he thought fifty thought when he got there that they were getting ready to shut it down. The actually just driver to act the police, you know, what was up? What's going on? So the police says a crowd control when when you see where out here doing crowd control. So so so like as you know, everybody going, cops, oh go have go have fun. We're gonna make We're just out here to make sure everybody's say, traffic flow. So he wouldn't have performed, and you know, he was like, how the hell did this happen? The guy explained to fifty you know about me, about my story and that I got them legal, and fifties like, listen, have him in my office and next tomorrow, man, I want to talk to this guy. So I sat down with Yes, that gotta be me. So I sat down with him and we talked, and you know, he was like, would you let me run with this as a TV show? You know, there was there was some talking to hear about a movie, but the fifty was like, nah, his vision was way out there. He was like, na, but people want to want to hear this. Let me back up a little bit, Isaac. When you say run with this, what was this you were talking about? What the concept was was was around a movie. And when he heard the story, he immediately I mean I can see his mind turning, you know, he immediately he said to me, he says, he kind of stopped me and he said, listen, this is not this is a movie. Can it can be later on, but this is this is a TV show. This is something that people want to be inspired over every single week. Uh. And I want to be able to be comfortable in telling this story in ways where where we can continue to enlighten and continue to inspire and continue to prove i'd hope to people. And so I said, you know, it's it's cool. Whatever you want to do. I said, okay, and he and he made it happen. And one of the things that that um was very very significant to me and in dealing with that decision that he made, is that the guy that brought me to him, now, remember this is just an idea. There's no contracts, there's no agreements, there's nothing. He goes to the guy. He says, listen, I'm gonna pay you for a year. Tomorrow. Come by my office tomorrow. I'll have the cash you're waiting for you. That's how confident he was and what he had and what he knew what he could do with it. He started committing himself before the financially, before there was any agreement. Well, no, he didn't do it to me. He did it to the guy that that brought me there. In other words, he said, listen, I'm not leaving you out. You're gonna be a part of this too. But what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna pay you in advance for an entire year for every episode that I believe that's going that I'm I'll be able to get out the first year. I'm gonna pay you for that now. And he didn't even speak to He had spoken to nobody, no writers. Sony was nowhere to be found at that time. Maybec was nowhere to be found. He but he knew he saw the road and and and he committed himself on that road that he saw and it materialized. I mean, he's he was a visionary. And when I saw that because I see those things, you know, I the experience that I have in trying to survive in prison, in a maximum security prison, and it was the only one for seven and a half years. It was the only one in the state. So that meant that that that every undesirable that was there was put in the same place with everybody else. And in order to survive in that environment, you have to learn how to size a person up in zero point three seconds, I could size you up even if you don't open your mouth. When he did that, I knew because I was there, I was talking to him, I was studying him to longer he was studying me. I was studying him. I knew I could roll the dice and turn my back. And that's what I did. I rolled the dice, walked out his office, and here I am. Are you happy? Emulated so seven in prison? Yes, when I read your story, it was started. You represented yourself? Yes? Why? Um? In trial the first time, I represented myself from the outset, but no legal training, no legal training, and all I had was a high school diploma. Most of most of the most of the grounds that I made, and most of the law that I created, I created with the high school diploma. While I was in prison, most of the people that I that I got out, I got out with a high school diploma. Um. And and and that's one of the reasons why I can I'm still saying that today is because I haven't been licensed that long, because because of the challenges that they that is, when I actually got licensed, they investigated me. I passed the bar actually in two thousand and eight. If if I had been licensed after I passed the bar, I would have probably quadrupled what I had accomplished when I was in prison by now. And Uh. But what they did was they investigated me for another nine years, something that should have taken a couple of weeks. Uh. They investigating me for nine years before giving me my license, and what I literally had to do. UM, after nine years had passed, there was a Supreme Court justice, her name was Virginia Long out of New Jersey. She was one of the justices that that made a landmark ruling in my civil case. UM that for the first time in the history of that state. It made the state viable for conduct of prosecutors. And before it was counties counties that would have been live and there was there was all these immunities that went with it, but my case changed that, and she was one of the judges. She retired. UM around two thousand, fifteen sixteen. She retired, And when I found she retired, I wentn't looking for her, and I located her in a law firm, very huge law from international law from called Fox Rachaw. I called her up and she remembered who I was, and she offered me to come in for a consultation. I sat down with her and when she found out what was going on, she was really appalled about it. She was it was it was just incredible to her as a Supreme Court retired Supreme Court justice, because you know, the Supreme Court controls all of that. They're the top dogs when it comes down to not only the judicial system in the state, but also who practices and who doesn't. If there's disciplinary actions, they're the ones who suspends you or disciplinary disciplines you, or or revoke your license. They control all of that. So she basically let me know and no, no, no small terms that uh she felt for my situation, she uh was going to she couldn't actually represent me because it was a conflict of interest and being that she was on the bench during my civil case. But fortunately her husband was also a partner at the firm, and so she says, what I'm going to do is I'm going to let my husband represent you. That's me. My husband represents me and I represent him. Um, and being that I was on the bench, they understand what that means. So he came in and within six months I had a license. Within after nine years when he came in within six months, I had a license. And there's a picture of me. You can see it on the internet. It's all over the internet, and it's on my Instagram of me being sworn in. There's a lady with with blonde hair, light light whitish blonde hair, an older lady swearing me in. That sir, that's a retired chief not Chief Justice, but Justice of the Supreme Court of the Congratulations. This problem is nationwide and and people are in their effects, predominantly people of color. And so when you hear me say something like that, does it get you mad, motivates you for change? It doesn't. It doesn't get me mad at all. Uh, it motivates, It motivates me for change and and and to be honest with you. Um, And this is a controversial statement that I'm gonna make, but I really believe in it. I think as as minorities, as as blacks, um, we've been we've been mad for a long time. And I think I think we should because being mad takes a lot of energy. And I think if we refocused as a people, refocused that energy on making changes, because we're a powerful people, well we really, we really really are and a lot of times anger has a has a way of distorting the way you think and the decisions that you make. Um. But if if we can if we can uh refocus a lot of anger into action. Uh. You know, I think we can move mountains as a people. Uh. And and you know, even for me being in the situation that I was in, there was room for for a lot of anger, for for for being enraged, and and just to just to give you an example of what I'm saying, there was a there was a time early on when I had a decided that I was going to represent myself. And you know that was a you talk about when you represent yourself in court, in court, yes, in my during my my my trials. Um. You know, I had made a decision early on that I was going to represent myself. And I remember I was in my cell working on a on an emotion, and um, I was I was working almost all night, and I fell asleep in the middle of writing the motion, and maybe an hour or two I woke back up and I decided that I was going to pick up where I left off, and I began to read what I had written just to kind of get myself acquainted with it again and started where I left off. And and when I started reading, I began to look around because it seemed to me that there was something wrong. That was I was beginning to look around to see where those papers were that I was working on, where that emotion was that I was working on, because I didn't even recognize what I was reading it was it was so it was so overwhelmed with emotion and anger that I didn't recognize myself. I didn't recognize the person that had written it. And that was That was a divine moment for me because it it took me somewhere mentally and emotionally that I needed to go in the sense that that I was never going to have the kind of focus that I needed to have in order to get myself out of this situation being burdened down with negative emotions um and anger is a very negative emotion. Sometimes it's well placed, but most of the time, anger is a very very misplaced emotion. The moment I decided that I was going to manage and control all that I had to learn to separate myself from my that emotional state, and the moment I did that, uh, I moved into a moment of such clarity, uh that it was a snowball right my, my, the gift that God had given me for the law. The first time I picked up the law book, it was like I'd dide in all my life. It's finally here, the season of celebration. And no matter how you celebrate with family and friends, whether you're preparing for reis magos or Karamu lighting the Manura, are going to midnight mass, Coals has just what you need to make those traditions special. Plus you'll find gifts for all your loved ones. Send warm wishes with cozy fleeces, sweaters, loungeware, blankets and throws. Support minority owned or founded brands by giving gifts from Human Nation and shame moisture, or treat them to everyone's favorite activewear from top brands like Nike, Adidas, and under Armour. 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Still living in one and manually taking notes start the new year with auto dot ai to generate automatic notes for meetings, interviews, or lectures. With auto dot ai, you can search the meeting notes, insert images, play back the audio, and share them with your friends or coworkers. You can capture action items, remember meeting details, and keep everyone informed. Auto dot ai works for in person or virtual meetings like Zoom, Microsoft Teams, and Google Meet. Sign up for free at auto dit ai or download the app for free auto dot ai. That's O T T E R dot ai And that's just amazing, because that wasn't the direction you used pursuing your life. Until this happened, had absolutely no interest in the law at all, um and and and never picked up a law book before in my life. And the first time I did it was like I was doing it all my life. And in that moment of clarity, Uh took a gift and turned it into a snowball rolling down a hill. So that seven and a half years later, by the time I got back in court, I was so good that I got a veteran police officer to confess on the stand. And that that's how I actually how I how I ultimately got out a veteran cop Uh seven and a half years before that, he was a detective in the prosecutors office. Seven and a half years later, when I got him back on that stand, he was the chief of the police academy. That's how much he had risen. And and obviously he's a more sophisticated individual, and I was able to get him to literally not only confess, but to put himself in jail. I mean, you know, when you confess the misconduct like that, perjured testimony, falsifying police reports, you know you're you're going to jail. And so you know, I was just that good seven and a half years later, no law degree, high school diploma, and I did something that lawyers practiced their entire life to do. I did that as a person, as a young man with with the high school diploma. Now and when I look at the television series, the lead lead actor has that anger in him, Yes, anger because it should be there because he's not he's not he's in the place he's not supposed to be of your wife played by George Bryant. Um. Also, she's living in it with your best friend, and then your daughter. They're now living with your best friend, yes, in a romantic relationship, and now you're in jail. What made that character development like that? What was the whole rationale was setting it up like that? Um? Well, you know the the the the colleague we I just gave you about what I had to go through to actually get a license. It's a very long time. That's a couple of decades, and so creatively, what was the decision was made to condense that? Um, so that we can carry the public through some of the triumphs and and and some of the agonies of defeat that you go through in that process. Uh and so and and what the family is going through with you. And so Aaron Wallace is a representation of you know, all those things wrapped up into one, even the emotions that I was telling you about. One of the things about me having to hide that emotion and having to control it is that it does not give the public what was really going on inside me. And so what we decided to do is we decided to allow the public to reflect on not only this anger and this agony that Aaron was going through as a character, but also how he has to manage to control it in order to move ahead. That's that's that's key. And uh, you know, you have the the the destruction of family that occurs when you're when you're in prison, um, and when you're in relationships, the destruction of the relationship, the the total annihilation of the family nucleus. And so this, this this conflict between this three way conflict between Aaron, his best friend, and his wife, you know, is a reality. You know, these things happen, uh in the world. I went in uh in prison. I went into prison with the family, with a wife and a daughter, you know, and when I came out of prison, I didn't have my family anymore, you know, and so and so those are the realities of prison for many men. Uh in America. I mean, it's it's very, very difficult to have a life sentence with seven years on top of it and people waiting for you to come home, you know. Uh, the the the general consensus is that the power of the government is is too large for you and it's time to move on emotionally, physically. And then you trapped with that idea that I'm in a s yes, wait for me, wait for me, wait for me. So you call. Did you ever give up with that? With that emotional damage that you know it's being done to your family and the fact that you don't know if you can actually get yourself out of jail. Um. No, I didn't never give up, you know. You know. One of the things about about dealing with these kind of challenges is that is that it starts with your mind. My reality was that I was going to die in prison, and so that's right. But but but the reason why that was my reality is because someone gave me that reality. That reality was given to me, and so that wasn't the reality that I created. That was the reality that was given to me. And So what I did was I lived in my reality, the one I created. That's why I didn't. I wasn't going to be a slave to the reality that they created for me. Which is important, you know, which is very very control can control my reality. The reality got you living in is an uncontrolled environment. You don't know what the food next year gona. You don't know if your cell door is gonna open three o'clock in the morning and someone comes in there, whether a shame can take your life. You have no idea what's gonna happen to you from one day or the other. And so one of the things that I did was I created my own reality, and that reality was based on on my own intellect, the gifts that I had in the tenacity, uh, that I engaged in order to protect myself and my family, mostly my family, because this was not just an attack on me, It was an attack on my family. Uh. And when you look at the destruction going on around you that you are inside watching you can't do anything about you, You realize that this was more than just about you. This is this is about how it decimates families and communities. Absolutely, and you were right in the middle of that now now you're an executive producer, you're given that title for this ABC series we're talking about Isaza right, Jr. Your story inspired this series. It's a fictional series about a fact, a legal series and the family dynamics as on ABC Arizona Tuesday nights. Um Cents will make a guest appearance on March four. What is your role as an executive producer of the series, Um, Well, executive producers. Uh, the other boss. But I mean that's why that's what I said. There there's a there's a number of us. I mean there's there's Allison Greenspan, Doug Robertson, he's an executive ducer. Fifty as an executive producer, you know, the big bosses, Sony and ABC. Uh, And I have ABC with me right now. They're they're not only my boss, but but they're also my partner. Absolutely absolutely, And that's where it should be. That's what that's what you want people. I would tell people if you if you're promoting your traveling along, that's not good. You've got people traveling with you. That's the side that they care and they want to make it happen. And this is this is a great series. First of all, because I was emotionally charged by the whole breakdown of that person. Who Here's an interesting thing about the series four Life that we're talking about that's inspired by your incarceration and your triumph as a as a as an attorney now and for lancipison and entrepreneur, is that as as as he's in prison and then he used to go out of prison, he gets to put on the suit, but then he's dictated, Hey, it's time to undress, time to go back to what you really are supposed to be. And so that really is a mental tub and so that really it's what inspires me to say, Wow, he's dealing out our root for him all. And so you this plays out. This is the opening, um, I guess credits talk about I used to be one of you guys, used to be just like you. I was free, and then all of a sudden, I got the police busted to my night club and found drugs and then announced me to be a Keen Paig announcer in life in prison, my family has been yanked away from me. My wife she now is living in a relationship with my best friend, my daughter. I don't know what she's doing in her life, but guess what I want to reconnect with her, and that is the serious. So right there, it sets up a lane of frustration and passion for the character. And so the serious is tied to the fact that every episode is this he's developing as a man because he has to redevelop as a man in prison. He's a man outside of prison, but a man in prison is a different person because you're dealing with different dynamics. And so each episode is his journey for not only trying to seek his freedom, but the freedom of other people. Because every time he received success as a lawyer, that more people are inspired by his efforts. And that's what pushed me to say I want to see this show, and push me to say I want to see you. And you brought up. You brought up an incredible point because it's the easiest thing in the world for a judge not to even look at your papers when you put it in. You don't know, they just rubber stamp it. Oh, that's that's that nonsensitive stamp denied can move on. It takes a certain amount of respect to allow them to force them to do a double take and say you know what I better read this. It takes a certain level of respect and so and so what this journey does with for life, it takes eron through that growth. Aaron Wallace. Aaron Wallace, You'll see him moving through that growth where you know, in that first episode you saw him one this win this case that gave you a glimpse of a case with some complicated techniques, complicated technic and you know, and the thing about that, the thing you could because because all these things, you know, we talked about and they asked me about it, and there was a question to me about you know, you know, should we should we do this? And you know, I was like, because I'm I'm so my understanding about the system is is so intimate. I was like, of course should you That shouldn't be even question. Yes, forged that paper, you know, because here's here's the thing about this country. In this country, the way your system is supposed to be shut up, set up is that it is better for a guilty man to go free than an innocent person to spend a day in prison for something he didn't do. We would rather be guilty to go free than to send an innocent person in prison. That is the way our system of justice is supposed to be set up. That is all. That is one of the guiding principles of our system of justice, so that we can ensure that we will do whatever it takes to prevent a person that's innocent from going to prison. And that's not how it's working. It's working differently. And so when you see Aaron making that desperate move forging this document, he's forging this document. He is doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. And the risk that he's taken, you'll see down the line, it's going to come back. That risk is going to come back at him right and his family because he has a because basically a little other side noticed that a lot of people are not happy that he has a law degree. As he saw a little cool leap loop loophole allowed him to get it. And so every time he goes in front of a judge, you know, they questioned his technique, they call him a novicet, They tell him to do more homework. So he's constantly disrespected. But because he is as the as the and and the way he got the law degree, somebody vouched for him at a higher position, and that now what's happening On the d A side, they hate this, so their goal is to be able to see stop him from winning and to crush him. And so that carries so you know, you got your enemies, you got your people, your Roofa, you got the five family, and you got the prison. So it turns in the prison into like, uh, good guys. The angry guys are the d A and it's got named mask masking. They bad people, bad people, bad people. And so so when you when you see that and just letting people, why would I watch this series? How would I relate to the series. You're gonna relate because it as a family dynamic in it. You can relate because you you feel some type of pain, but because somebody is innocently incarcerated. And then you realize, also this is regular people. This is regular regular people. And even even when he's uh, even when he's um found out, one of the gods provides him with information so they know he's a good guy. And so that is when I'm I love good storytelling, and so good storytelling helps me out when they plug in it. Yes, the reason this action is happening, why is it happen? Why is it. Why is why are we doing this? Because I hate it when you just jump over the jump over three to get the five. You know, these dark tunnels, whether it's the information, is the important information to give continuity is missing. But this, this story, this is continuity there and you can follow it, uh, and you can understand, you know, why these things are happening and the things that you don't really understand it's hidden from you in the beginning. It's revealed to you, you know, revealed to you later on. But but I think they did an incredible job. Uh. Nicholas Peanuck? Uh is the am I pronouncing that right? Pinuck? I'm sorry. I hope he's not listening right now. But Nicholas, you know, he's an incredible actor. Um. He just he is so profound in his acting. And you've seen the episode. So I'm speaking to the choir right now. That it has it has affected me that it is. It has been therapeutic for me watching him because it's like it's like watching myself, and the things that he shows outwardly are the things that I know I was feeling inside. You know. You know. The interesting thing about it, Nicholas plays the character Aaron Wallace, which is the lead character in this series for Life, which is on ABC Ers on Tuesday night. The thing about it is that you know, he can't say character with anger so close to the edge. Man, I feel nervous when he with the warden. I feel nervous for him. Shut up, dude, would you should be quiet? Because he's always internally mad. Yeah, And that's what I love about the character. And it makes me nervous. It makes me nervous in a good way. You know what I'm saying from a from a viewer stand for him and going, hey, dude, shut up, you're about to blow it. Would you just calmed down? Because its character just goes so close to the edge all the time. And that's a that's beautiful man. It is. And I had nobody to tell me that. I had to learn that um from from trial and error and so and so. What's beautiful about it it's because that reality not only taps into his humanity, but but it also just like what you were doing, you were trying to guide him from the TV sets. Shut up, shut up. You're pushing too far when they let him in. You know, because I've seen his anger when he led him in the room with the warden by herself. Please don't braw this woman start strangling. Okay, cool? Well, guess what they gave me the signal. I hopefully you enjoyed this interview. I've been enjoying. We went kind of along, but I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep talking to you. I appreciate. The beautiful thing about this show is that Tuesday night, my man fifty cents to be making a guest the parents his character on the show. Do you know fifty? He does it both ways? You know, you know fifty fifty? Uh created the power series and got my fifty. Most shows about the bounce out Uh and Havoc. Havoc is coming with fifty character. Havoc is getting ready to come that it comes to other way. 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