#204 - Dylan Flewelling - 2026 USATF 50K Champion

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All right, Dylan Felling, welcome to the Steep Stuff Podcast.
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How's it going, man?
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Good.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, it's uh it's been going good, living the dream here in beautiful Boulder, Colorado.
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Dude, you messaged me.
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I feel like I was talking about either doing like a trailhouse podcast or I can't remember if we talked right after Sun of P because you had a great result there.
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But you said to me, You're like, let me uh, you know, let's wait to have me on.
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I gotta do something first.
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And then you went and got the uh became the USATF 50K champion.
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So I feel like this is a good opportunity because you did something to uh finally have you on the show.
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Yeah, for sure.
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No, it's uh it's been good, uh it's been a great couple months here.
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So um yeah, it's just kind of capped off with with that last performance at at the USATF 50K champs.
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Um but but yeah.
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How does it feel to put them all together?
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I mean it's gotta feel awesome.
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It was a deep race, so yeah.
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Um it was it's like a it's definitely a good feeling when you you put put a training block towards something and then it pays off on the day.
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Um but this is a little bit different because the this was really just kind of a buildup race uh for my fall, and and uh it was it was really quick.
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I think it was about six weeks coming off uh Whistler 100k by UTMB, and and um so it wasn't a huge training block, it was just kind of in a part of this build for the JFK 50 mile.
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Uh and and it was kind of like, oh, let's let's see what happens.
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Uh the goal's always to win.
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Um, but but like let's see if we can land on the podium, see what happens, and and then things just you know panned out as as as well.
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50k champs was supposed to be in Oregon, right?
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And then it got uh canceled.
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Uh so it wasn't Oregon, it was uh Perpetual Coast.
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It was supposed to be at uh different daybreak race in August, I believe.
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And then uh yeah, it got canceled because of uh some fires and moved to moved to October, um, which was great for me because I wouldn't have been able to race the original date.
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Um, but then they switched it and it's kind of um we're all coached by by Matt Daniels here in Trailhouse, but um talking to Matt and we were kind of bouncing the idea around of running like a half marathon and a marathon um during the the build for JFK, but then this was just kind of the perfect opportunity to get a good stimulus in um uh at the at the US chance.
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Uh how did the race go for you?
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I I gotta be honest with you.
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I was more fixated on following some shorter stuff, but when this popped up, I uh um you know obviously it was a great opportunity to chat.
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So how did the race play out for you?
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Were you running in tandem with like a group the entire time?
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Did you break away towards the end?
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Like how did it maybe give me the play-by-play for the audience?
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Yeah, for sure.
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Um yeah, the race went out and the first couple miles, uh, it's it's pretty flat, I think, for the first seven miles.
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And we actually start on the beach.
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Um ran about three miles on the beach on the sand, which I'd never uh I'm from Maine, but I've I've never really run on the you know beach much.
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Uh so this is it was a little bit of a unique experience.
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Um sand was pretty firm, but still you're losing a little bit of energy, that Brett's for sure.
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Um but yeah, it was there was a couple guys I was hadn't you know paying attention to in the field, and um then the race went out and the two guys went out hard.
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It was uh Jack Matherly and and Blake Slattengren went out pretty quick.
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And I had a pretty uh I I was gauging off effort and uh I I went out a little too hard earlier this year at Chuckana, and I think it's a pretty similar profile course.
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So I was being a little bit more reserved and I let those two guys go out and then um found myself just in no man's land uh in third, probably about a minute behind them, and maybe another minute in front of the the next pack, which probably had like half a dozen or so guys, uh including my roommate Baden.
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So um there were some speedy guys in that pack back back there, so I was like, okay, let's uh just slowly work up towards that front pack.
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And um the there was a there's a section section of about two miles on on paved road, and I felt like I was running that pretty efficiently and uh just closing the gap.
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But then as soon as we got to the single track, um I just like instantly caught uh Blake, who I and I let him I let him control the pace a little bit on the first big climb, which is I think about a thousand feet.
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And um yeah, I just let him control the climb and uh got to the top and just kind of ripped the descent.
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I I usually pride myself on being a pretty good downhill runner.
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So um I took past Blake on the downhill and and then I ended up catching Jack who was in the lead on that, on that same downhill.
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Um and uh and that was kind of my my approach for the rest of the race is is let's maintain on those uphills and the flats and then uh just just go as deep as we can on the downhills and it hit off as well.
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What was it like having Baden in the race with you?
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Like does that because you guys train together, right?
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Like is that weird?
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Is that fun?
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Like, is there more is it more camaraderie there, like getting to do battle with one another?
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Like how how is that dynamic?
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Yeah, I I think uh we were actually talking about this um earlier on, but it it it can be like a it's definitely an interesting dynamic.
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I think it's not weird for me because I just graduated in in college.
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You train and race with your teammates, so um it's it's kind of like this similar vibe.
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And and we've actually done I've raced twice since I've been in the trailhouse, and uh Baden's been of both both races I've done with Baden.
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So um yeah, it works out well.
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We definitely have very different strengths and and weaknesses.
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So I think training together and throw Aries in the mix, who also has you know uh pretty different strengths as well, then it it makes a really good um training atmosphere where uh I've definitely gotten better at some things I needed to work on, and I think uh they have as well.
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So it's it's pretty cool to be able to train with them.
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And then uh as far as race day goes, we we had joked about the before the race, we had joked about like, oh, we're gonna go one-two.
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Um, and then and then, you know, it it happened, and I had no idea Baden was in second until I finished.
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Uh, I was running pretty scared for the last couple miles just because it was it was really fast.
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And um I knew there was a couple guys who had some really good leg speed in the race behind me.
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Uh, but but yeah, I I had no idea Baden was was in second until I crossed the line and and uh someone was like, oh, like Baden's Baden's a couple minutes behind you.
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And I I got really excited um just because we we had like kind of joked about going one-two, and it was obviously a possibility, but uh to see it actually happen was waste.
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It's cool, you know, your training partner gets uh gets up there and you guys get to celebrate each other.
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Um, dude, how has been, especially because you're so young, kind of transitioning to the trails, how has that transition been kind of coming out of college and uh kind of stepping into this this life?
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Like not very many guys come out of college and you know, right away pretty much you know get onto the trailhouse type of thing and start to have immediate success.
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Usually there's a little bit of a learning curve.
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Um how has that been for you?
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Yeah, I I was I feel like I've been in an interesting position for really throughout high school and definitely college, where um I've I I when I started running, it was uh I grew up in like a pretty rural town in central Maine, and um there were some good trails and and high school cross-country practice, like we went and ran on the single track trails.
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So I kind of thought that was like what running was um until I went to college, and then I realized that like we don't actually run on trails even in cross-country, you just run on the road and stuff.
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And and uh I I kind of from that point I was like, um I went the NCAA route because I I knew it was important.
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I thought that's the way this this sport ultra running was going, was just that speed.
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Uh and I'm glad I did.
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I had a lot of fun, I met a lot of great people, but I was kind of always waiting for the opportunity to get into like long races, get into racing on trails.
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So I was even in college, I was I was ready to just um you know start trail running.
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Uh I did run a 50k when I was after my sophomore year of outdoor track, and I I really enjoyed it.
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And um and from that point, yeah, I was just I was just kind of waiting for this.
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But I also ran Division III uh at Plymouth State in New Hampshire, which um, you know, we took it seriously for sure, but it wasn't like I was on a scholarship at a D1 program and like you know, Tuesdays we didn't have practice, we just had a morning lift, so I would go and we called it Trail Tuesdays, and we'd go and run sometimes like 3,000 vertical feet on this easy round in the middle of the season.
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So um, I've never gone too far away from betrayals.
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How did you know about the trails?
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Like in the sense of like it being a professional sport, like did you find it on YouTube or did you meet another athlete like in the space?
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Because it's it's such a niche thing.
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Yeah, I guess I probably just got lucky and stumbled upon it.
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Um I think I started running in I think 2018 uh was my sophomore year in high school, and I started running then, and uh it was it was right around the same time uh somehow I like heard about Western States that year um or or something, and I I was like, oh this is this is really cool, like this is this is running.
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Um and yeah, I I ca I guess I kind of knew that was what I wanted to do.
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And you know, Western States is is a race that really intrigues me.
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And um the the thought of running 100 miles, I think a lot of people move up in distance because they maybe they can't compete in shorter distances.
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Um and I'm not gonna say that I can go and run with guys that can run you know sub-13 and the 5k, but um I definitely don't think I'm like I'm not moving up because I I need to to to be competitive.
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Um like that's I just want to run 100 miles or I want to run you know 50k's, 100 K's um in the mountains.
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I think I think that's what's interesting uh to me about this.
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I mean listen, man, it's uh distance isn't a form, in my opinion, of expression.
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So, you know, there's like a lot of guys like myself like really enjoy you know the mountain classic stuff, but there's people that enjoy the VK and all the way up to 100, and now people are doing 200 plus miles.
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It's kind of wild.
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Um but yeah, I I think it's cool.
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I also I just find it interesting because like usually there seems to be this interesting progression in the sport where guys come out of college, uh do the Stirk series, then go up to Golden Trail series, and then start dabbling in the 50k.
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And you kind of like skipped it.
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I mean, you did do uh Sun of P this year and you had a great result there.
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Um, obviously kind of a home course for you in a lot of ways, not being too far from home.
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Um but yeah, it's I find it interesting that that to make that immediate jump.
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I think it's great because to me, this is kind of a hot take, but like I don't think Ultra is as competitive as like some of the more USATF short trail stuff.
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And with more guys like yourself jumping into it immediately, like for the 50k champs and for longer races like that, it it just increases the pool and it makes it way more competitive, which is cool.
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Yeah, I would agree 100%.
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I think uh at least if you're talking in the US, um, then then yeah, I think there is it's it's much easier for someone to graduate and go straight towards uh the Cirque series or or even something like Sunnepe, um, because it's a USATF championship and people see that and they want to do it, um, which is great.
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But I and I and I understand why there's that step because uh you know I don't necessarily think it's smart if you're going from training for the you know the 1500 to going to train for the the even just the 50k the year after.
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Um but but yeah I was in a good spot where uh I ran pretty high volume in college and um was ready to I felt like I was ready after I graduated to just hop right into some longer races.
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Uh I ran I ran Sunopy as I think I literally signed up for it that week.
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Uh I was just as like a stimulus for I was racing, I ran Broken Arrow, the 46k.
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Um and I actually left my house in Maine and started driving towards California and just raced, like camped out the night before Sunopy and and uh and raced raced uh raced that and it was a lot of fun.
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I was actually pretty yeah, I was pretty happy with the way I felt climbing that day because um some of that high octane climbing hasn't been like my strength in the past, but um but yeah, Sunupy's a great race.
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I think Tom Hooper does a great job putting uh those events on.
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So I'm excited to get back to to New England and and race some more success.
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You absolutely should.
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Yeah, they're uh I don't know, Northeast intrigues me.
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There's like a lot of a lot of really interesting and good stuff out there.
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And uh I don't feel like it gets enough shine.
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What what was it?
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Sorry.
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Yeah, it's some yeah, I think I think the Northeast has some some of the best trails I've ever been on.
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Um they definitely offer something a little bit different than than what we get out here in in Colorado.
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Um so I think anybody who is interested in running and interested in trail running needs to go and get to go and check this out.
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Have you bumped into Dan Kurtz at all?
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Because he's a manner.
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Yeah, so Dan was um Dan, I went to school.
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Yeah, I went to school, I was a freshman in the fall of 2021.
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And uh Dan was in in uh Dopper Valley in New Hampshire training with Ben True.
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It was kind of like his I think he was very early into his stages of of transitioning to trail.
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And um, yeah, I've I've had a lot of uh interactions with Dan.
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I he I felt like he uh I was like a you know 18-year-old who was running, I think at that point, like 16, 10 in the 5K.
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I wasn't very good.
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And and uh Dan was like pretty supportive.
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I felt like I was I was always pretty uh open about like my goals on like I want to be an ultrarunner, I want to be fast, I want to be one of the best in the world.
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And and Dan was like, okay, then go do it.
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So or at least that's the that's the impression I got always got from him, um, which was really cool.
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And and I've had a lot of interactions with him since then.
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Um but I actually I interned for I was an exercise physiology student and I interned for um Ben True and Lauren Gregory at Northwoods Athletics.
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So um it was a good opportunity to like go and run with Dan or or whatever.
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Um and those are all they're all really great people, so I feel really grateful um for that opportunity.
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Yeah, no, great mentors, great people.
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Dan's so knowledgeable.
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Uh Dan's like one of my favorite uh athletes in the sport.
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Like I fanboy over Dan all the time.
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He's like a he's a very real person.
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He's just so talented, dude.
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He he would probably disagree with me saying this because every time I say it, he's like, I'm not talented, but that's the one of the most talented people to ever step foot in our sport, which is kind of crazy to think.
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Yeah, and he he's run some, he's run uh I think unless you're from New England, you don't realize some of the some of the like some of the segments and some of the just downhill runs he had, like the downhill segments, and it's I've been on some trails and I'm like, how knowing the segments, I'm like, how is Dan running this fast down it?
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You're like launching yourself off boulders, and um, I think he's one of the one of the best downhill runners in the probably in the world, yeah.
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I'd put him up there, probably top, top 20, top 15 in the world when it comes to downhills, which is pretty dope.
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Yeah.
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Uh no, I think it's super cool.
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Uh what was that impactful impact like on you kind of growing up like in the New Hampshire trails like in Maine?
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Like, did you get immersed in like the white uh the the kind of the whites?
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Did you go up to Kitaan and things like that?
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Um like more outside like wilderness stuff, or was it more just like running on the trails?
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Yeah, I was definitely pretty involved in and the kind of wilderness stuff.
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I I worked on the I worked for the main appalacian trail club uh one summer after my freshman year of college.
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And I was uh I worked on a trail crew and lived in the backcountry for the whole summer and um mostly in the hundred-mile wilderness of the main AT.
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And uh it was really great summer.
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Just I would wake up and and start running on the usually on the AT at like 5 30 in the morning and and then come back and like eat something and we'd go and hike in and and work for the day.
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And and uh it was a good it was a good culture to just like be in the be in the woods.
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And um I definitely fell in love with just the I was already you know really involved with the outdoor scene, but um that was a it was a great lifestyle to be a part of and you know I've I've spent a lot of time in Baxter.
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Uh Katain's still my favorite mountain I've ever been on.
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Um I think I think it's a area that is probably underappreciated, uh, which is maybe a good thing.
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Um but but yeah, that's that's one of the that's one of the most I think unique parts of places in the in the northeast.
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Um and yeah, I went to school at at Plymouth, which was it was a 20-minute drive from uh my apartment to to some of the 4,000 footers in the whites.
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So it was in the off season, I would, I would certainly go up and and um do some runs and and get up, you know, check off some of the 4,000 footers.
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But but yeah, I've I've always been um pretty interested in in the trail scene, but also just like the outdoors.
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Are you skiers?
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Do you ski at all?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I I never competitively, but um I've always resort skied and uh gotten a little bit into touring.
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Um I still don't have a setup, but I really want to get a setup this winter.
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Dude, Boulder Schemo.
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You're you're in the area.
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Gotta look up Boulder Schema.
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Look up Davide.
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He's uh he's got like a whole crew.
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Yeah, it's dope.
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It's dope.
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They've got a good good little setup.
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Do you like what do you like better?
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Do you uh are you more now that you're immersed in like this this Colorado Boulder culture uh versus you know growing up in in New Hampshire slash Maine?
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Like what would you what do you like, what do you prefer?
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What do you enjoy better?
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Um I do like uh one thing I really like about living in Boulder is the just the uh accessibility of uh all of a training area, like all the trails and um really great people to just like hey, you want to go for a run and and you're running with some, you know, some of the best ultra runners in the world.
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So um that's Been great, but I definitely, you know, I definitely see myself in New England long term.
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And um, I think just the community there and uh to my family lives, and um so I definitely definitely will be getting back there at some point.
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Uh not super I am uh realizing the altitude works, so um I was hoping it doesn't, but unfortunately it does.
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So so we'll see what happens in the next couple years.
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But uh yeah, we've got some big goals, and and altitude seems to be helping right now.
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So um we'll see what every time I go back to the northeast.
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I'm like, dude, I would love to live here, but you do get such an advantage at races when you come down from altitude.
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So it's like it's that it's that push or pull.
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And the west is cool, it's hard to beat the west.
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I'm down at Colorado Springs and I feel like it's such an underrated trading training area.
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It's it's awesome.
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But like, I don't know.
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Colorado comes with its own mix of things, whereas like the northeast is a little different, just like more laid back, it's quieter.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Well, I'm I'm certainly ready for it to start cooling off a little bit here.
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It's it's like still 70 degrees when I when I wake up to run, and it's like I know it's 45 degrees at home.
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And so yeah, I'm excited to I'm excited for it to start cooling off.
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I don't blame it.
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I don't blame it.
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It's uh yeah, dude, did you see the Wattsatch just get nailed with like 19 inches of snow right now?
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I'm like, why is everywhere else in the West and like the United States getting cool weather and except for us?
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I I don't understand.
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That's it's annoying.
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Yeah, I'm I'm not sure.
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It's pretty how long has the transition been like living in the trailhouse?
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Like what is what is that all about?
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Do you do you like the dynamic?
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Do you like doing this?
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Because it's uh it's kind of like kind of cool.
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Like I think it's uh it's very unique and very different.
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Has that been easy for you to go train with like other guys, especially, you know, I don't know, like there's always I don't want to say pressure, but like you gotta get out, you gotta do the thing, not a lot of days off.
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How how does that feel?
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Or do you just absolutely love it?
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Yeah, I know I've I've been absolutely loving it.
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I've I think I've always put a pretty good amount of pressure on myself.
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Um, a lot of times on purpose.
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I think I think that helps me a lot.
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Uh if if I know I need to go out and make something happen, I think I'd normally make it happen.
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So um, yeah, I definitely enjoy that.
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I had pressure, and I was feeling it uh probably moving in.
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I definitely felt it a little bit, like, oh, I I don't want to be the slowest guy, yeah.
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I don't wanna um I wanna like feel like I deserve to be here and and prove that.
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So um I would say early on, probably felt that a little bit.
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I didn't have a great race at Broken Arrow, which was right before I moved in.
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And um I was I would I wouldn't say I was nervous, but I was like, all right, well, we gotta make things happen.
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So um, but yeah, I've really enjoyed the lifestyle of of you know, I wake up and I I go for a run and and then I come back and you know eat food and and uh shower and whatever, and then um I do some private coaching.
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So I'll like schedule calls in the afternoon or work on training or whatever, and then go out and double and and that's your day, um, which I I've really enjoyed.
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And there's definitely some days I I find myself getting a little bit bored.
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I I've always been a busy person, so um but you know, as as things are picked up or we're big weeks of training, then it it's always great.
00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:17.599
So uh but yeah, I think I think being it's a lot of like uh rest time during the day, which I'm finding helps a lot.
00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:27.039
Uh in the past, I've worked, you know, 50, 60 hour weeks while trying to train at 120 plus miles a week, and and that becomes um definitely challenging where this makes things a little bit.
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:37.839
That's where I was going with that question is like, do you do you think you've made like a massive incremental jump not having that pressure of work where you can just focus on being a professional athlete, right?
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Whereas like there's a lot of athletes in the space that have to like go do full-time jobs, and that does, it wears you down.
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Like I know because I'm always tired.
00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:53.279
Um and I feel like a lot of people are, but just having the ability to not have to deal with that like extra nonsense and just focus on you.
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:59.839
Um would you say like contributed to you know just helping you getting better and better and just like contributing to improvement?
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:03.039
Yeah, for sure.
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Um I I definitely don't think it hurts.
00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:37.839
I I think the biggest thing is just been able to um in the past I think for me is is right now I can I can devote my full attention to recovery, where in the past those are the things that have been sacrificed is you know, um last year I was coaching at a D3 school in New Hampshire and uh you know I'd wake up at 4 30 in the morning a lot to do double threshold or something, and and you know, almost no matter what time you go to bed, if you wake up at that early, you're sacrificing some sleep.
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And I'm someone who I you know I need nine hours of sleep if I'm training at a high volume, and um, you know, just making sure I as soon as I finish a run, then I come back and I make food and whatever because I don't have to go to work, then that that definitely contributes to I think being able to train at a higher volume and and uh being able to race faster because of that.
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I think volume is one of the big stimulus that um makes me run faster.
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So uh, but it's only as good as as the recovery and and I think just living here in the trace and and not only having the time to to really devote to recovery, but also having the resources, um it makes it it makes things a lot smoother.
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Yeah, it it's what what does recovery look like for you?
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Is it more feed up?
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Are you hitting the bike uh just to kind of flush the legs?
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Like a cold plunge sonic kind of guy?
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Like what do you what do you usually do for recovery?
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Yeah, I think um I'm not a big naps person.
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I I just usually get a pretty good night's sleep sleep and uh but the big things for me is uh I never I would say I never run on a like I'm I'm always I've made a mistake in college of like in the summer I just wake up and run.
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And um, but always making sure I'm like relatively fueled going into around I fuel uh with hyperlight, usually around 100 grams an hour for anything over over 75 minutes, and then um uh I think I'm I'm really big about like finish around and eat food immediately.
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Um so you just try to get some carbs and protein in.
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.279
But uh but yeah, and then uh just hanging around the house.
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I think uh I do like I said, do some coaching stuff and and having just sitting and doing calls and whatever I think is pretty good recovery.
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It keeps my brain going a little bit, um, but allows my body to body to recover.
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And then uh I do I double most days, so uh really easy shakeouts uh is a good way to get some some blood moving and get some oxygen to the muscles and uh get a little bit of active recovery in um that way and then yeah, good night's sleep and ready to go.
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:44.880
Does Matt more or less have you guys on the same plan, or is it pretty like drastically different compared to goals, or like how does he coach all three of you, especially all kind of living together?
00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:48.480
Yeah, we're we're on different plans.
00:28:48.640 --> 00:29:00.319
Uh I think it's it's very interesting because uh I really I really like and appreciate the trailers um when they were putting this together, did this, but they found they found three athletes who are very different.
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Um I think we're we're different people, but we're also you know, we're training for different things and we have very different strengths.
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.839
Um you know, I think Baden is the best hiker I've ever met.
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Like I I can be running, you know, anything over like uh altitude, anything over like 17, 18%.
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:24.000
Um he's he can probably hike it faster than I can easy run it.
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:28.000
And then um, you know, Ares is just ridiculously fast.
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:36.319
And uh, you know, I I'm a pretty good downhill runner, and I think the three of us, um, yeah, all have those different strengths, and we so we all have different things we need to work on.
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:42.079
And I Matt's really good at at uh you know discovering and then uh capitalizing on those things.
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:52.559
So um yeah, I think I think it's I can learn some about hard uphill running, and Aries can learn some about hard downhill running, and um Baden can learn some about hard flat running.
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.880
And it worked really well for when we trained together, uh, even though our workouts might be different.
00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:57.839
We do a lot of easy stuff.
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:04.079
Do you guys like uh this might be inside it's super inside baseball, but you like you kind of have to like mesh as friends, correct?
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:08.240
Like uh have you guys all become like really like very close?
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:11.119
Yeah, no, it's been great.
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:21.119
I I think we all got really lucky uh with the just personalities because like I said, we we definitely have different personalities, but they mesh, they do mesh really well.
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:27.599
Um you know, we all run well, we all want to be good runners and we all enjoy being out on the trails, and I think that helps a lot.
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:45.359
But I know I we uh we moved in, yeah, we moved in at the beginning of July, and one of the big questions uh that we found out all of us were asking was like how clean are the other ones because I think we're all pretty clean people and we're living in this house together for at least 14 months uh without like knowing each other.
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:53.839
So um I think we were all worried that somebody was gonna be messy, but so far, so far everybody's been clean, which I think I think everybody's stoked about.
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:54.960
That's funny.
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.319
It's like a little thing you probably don't think is super important.
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.200
That's uh listen, that makes or breaks relationships.
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:07.440
That's why, you know, yeah, whoever you're you decide to live with, uh yeah, gotta be clean.
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.240
Or at least like on your level of what you're looking for.
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:12.400
Um what was I gonna ask you?
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:13.599
Oh, social media, dude.
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:17.920
Uh obviously there's a so strong social media component to like the trail house and stuff like that.
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.599
Uh everybody's different with their like their their bandwidth on social media.
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:24.720
I'm not a big fan of it, but it's like a necessary evil for the sport, right?
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:28.480
You wanna you wanna play ball, you gotta kinda have a social media presence.
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.160
How has that transition been for you?
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:31.599
Like and do you enjoy that?
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:32.960
Do you not like that?
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:53.039
Yeah, I mean, like it or hate it, I think if if you wanna, unless you're like that top, really, really top of the sport, um, you know, I can think of a couple athletes that could probably do pretty well without a social media account, but uh for the most part, you're you're gonna need to have a pretty big following if if you want brands to care about you.
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:55.759
And um that's something I've always known.
00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:01.759
And I've I've never been like a huge social media person, but I've also never been like, oh, I don't touch social media.
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.000
So yeah, it hasn't it's been okay.
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:12.480
Uh the I've I I really think it's fun to have like the cameras going um during a workout day or something.
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:20.799
Um it kind of it like adds a a little bit of a a little bit of uh intensity to it where it's like, oh I'm gonna have a good workout today.
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.519
Um so no, it's it's it's been good.
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:37.039
And and then uh yeah, I think the the Treyhouse overall is uh like they want us to to make the next steps and they want us to become professional runners and um they realize that we need to have good media presence for that.
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.680
So um it's been it's been good to have their help.
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:44.000
I know my Instagram's grown and um yeah, hopefully it'll hopefully it'll keep going.
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:45.759
But um yeah, so we're gonna go.
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:52.960
We're in uh you don't have to give away anything, but we are in negotiation season right now, like pretty much wrapping it up, especially when are we in October.
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:57.279
So new deals will be announced in January, February, March, Q1.
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.920
Uh are you talking to anyone right now?
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00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.279
Yeah, I'm not not seriously talking to anyone.
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:49.680
Um I we have the my trailers contract um will go until the end of until through CCC next year.
00:33:49.839 --> 00:34:02.240
Um but uh but yeah, I mean my goal, you know, my plan is to just uh to just get a golden ticket uh early next year and and uh see who wants to talk then.
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.480
But um yeah, we'll see how that goes.
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:06.079
That's uh that's exciting.
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:14.719
Uh you and you don't have to go too deep into this, but I almost feel think of like the trialhouse almost like as a developmental program in a lot of ways to get you to where you need to be.
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.360
And you guys are all very much on your own way.
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:21.039
Yeah, for sure.
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:31.599
I think that's the whole point of it is uh you know, these super grateful for the support from these three brands that are uh willing to kind of take take a chance on on us.
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:36.079
Uh, you know, none of us um this was Aries' first year on trail.
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:41.840
This is my first real year on trail, and uh Baden's been running trail for a little while, but uh he's 22.
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:48.639
Like this, I think it was kind of a gamble that uh things we could all just been you know flopped and it wouldn't have been worth it.
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:57.760
But uh they wanted to take a chance and and uh things have been going well so far, so I I'm really optimistic about about the kind of the future for for all three of us.
00:34:57.840 --> 00:34:58.639
Um very cool.
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:00.800
Let's talk goals uh and races.
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:02.079
So you got JFK coming up.
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:03.840
You had mentioned earlier in the conversation.
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I would imagine that's probably the A goal right now because that's a such a fast 50 mile, like that runs like a 50k in so many ways.
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:16.480
Um yeah, talk about that and what you have on the horizon for the rest of the year and going into 2027.
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:23.440
Yeah, I mean JFK is uh I would say the big goal for 2026.
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:33.760
Um that it's it feels kind of weird to have it so late in the season, but um JFK was uh my first, I'm gonna call it like first real ultra last year.
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:58.559
I I was still pretty much training like a guy out of college and uh I was running high volume and I was doing some long runs, but uh I definitely I went I showed up uh underprepared and I went hard and I was like we're we're gonna see what happens and I ended up running uh in fourth most of the day uh before I I was I was dropped out at like 43 miles.
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Uh I think I was still in the top 10, but um things like things were not moving forward anymore.
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:17.360
So the but I've I walked away from that race um learning a lot and and I I walked back with like okay, this is a list of things I need to do better if I wanna I wanna be, you know, make it in this sport.
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:31.360
And um so this is it was a no-brainer to put JFK back on the calendar this year and uh just basically see how that checklist of things has gone and the races leading up to it uh so far have have gone well.
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:35.760
I was I was third at Chuck Nut in the spring, and that was a great bounce back for me.
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.440
Uh it was my first time like ever flying for a race, so uh that was super cool.
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:45.199
And then you know, broken air didn't go quite the way I wanted it to, but uh I I think I really just struggled with altitude.
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.920
I'd never really been um up that high before.
00:36:48.000 --> 00:37:01.280
And and then uh yeah, one whistler in August, 100k, which was really it made me really feel good about things because uh that's I've always like I want to run long races, so it's like kind of uh I was a little bit nervous going into that.
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:03.840
I was like, I'm gonna find out if I'm actually good at this or not.
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:09.280
Um but it went well and and uh that was a good way to get you know an entry into CCC for next year.
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:15.360
But uh yeah, and then based on the speed is there, based on Perpetua, the US champs last weekend.
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:20.719
So um we'll just keep things going for the next six weeks and and see what happens on race day.
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:26.559
But uh yeah, I would I mean uh I'm not gonna line up without the goal of of winning, at least being in my head.
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.079
So um we'll go to we'll we'll we'll show up ready to play for sure.
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:33.760
I mean, dude, I would put you uh I I wish we had betting in this sport.
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:39.760
Um but I would put you if we're throwing odds out, I mean you're you're definitely a favor for the podium, if not the dub.
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:46.320
So uh what would that mean to you to get a win here, especially at a race now that this is your second time uh taking a crack at it.
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:53.199
Yeah, I I I mean that would be like the that'd be a pretty cool like comeback story, I think.
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:59.440
Um and it the the cool thing for me is it's it's it's in a one-year uh time frame.
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:09.119
So it's you know, the race hasn't happened and you know, we don't know how it's gonna go yet, but uh assuming it goes well, like that's a pretty I I'm really happy.
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:10.800
Like I'd be really happy with that step.
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:15.199
Um and I think it's a premier US ultra marathon.
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:30.639
So uh I think that's like I want to be a premier US ultra marathoner, so you know, going in podium or winning a race like GFK is uh a good way to you know make make some early splashes and uh it seems to be a race that some brands care about.
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:39.920
So um, you know, that's great from a that's great from uh you know maybe a sponsorship aspect, but uh there's a lot of intrinsic motivation for for this one.
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:46.320
It's a it's an I think it's a unique style of ultra marathon where you know you gotta be able to run on somewhat technical terrain.
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:56.079
I wouldn't say it's too crazy, but uh and then you also gotta be able to run probably like a you know sub 230 marathon in the middle of a 50 mile or so um yeah I'm really really excited to see that.
00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:02.960
Will you find yourself more comfortable on the toe path or will you take it a little bit easy and then when you hit the toe path kind of open things up?
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:05.920
Uh I don't know.
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.840
Last year um last year the race went out really slow.
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:11.519
We ran really slow on the AT.
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:18.800
And uh then when we got to the tow path, I I was I was a little bit in over my head.
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:19.760
I had a really great plan.
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:24.159
I I think it was a great plan in my head of uh I was just basically gonna run.
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:31.840
Um I had a heart rate zone that I was gonna stay in, and and I ran like one mile and it was like right in that heart rate zone.
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:33.440
And uh it was a pretty specific heart zone.
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:40.719
I was with Remy, Remy the Rue, who uh you know from being a northeast guy I've spent a little bit of time with and uh I was like great.
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:48.320
And then Remy dropped his bottle and he like turned around to go get it, and I was like, well, just ran that first mile on the tote path.
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:48.639
Great.
00:39:48.719 --> 00:40:05.280
Now we're gonna start running 15 seconds per mile faster just cuz and uh I ended up running like 550s for the next 15, 20 miles and um started to blow up because went out a little bit too was probably a little a little bit in over my head.
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:12.000
So um but yeah, I think I think the durability and just the aerobic fatigue resistance is so much higher now.
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:14.320
Well, you uh did you make the shoe switch last year?
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.119
It seems like everybody coming off the AT makes the shoe swap.
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:20.960
Was that like a rookie mistake you did make or didn't last year?
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.119
I I did make a shoe swap last year.
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:31.039
Um I I don't have any evidence to support this, but I think I was probably one of the fastest shoe changers.
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:32.320
I was practicing it a lot.
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:41.440
Um not there not that the couple seconds probably matters that much, but um yeah, I I changed shoes and then I was like just amped.
00:40:41.519 --> 00:41:10.480
I was feeling really good and um I just like changed shoes and I kind of took off and I I ran that next like little segment down to the tow path, which is not long, it's less than half a mile, but I I didn't realize I was running it fast, but I like saw the Strava after and I was second on the segment like all time, tied with like Hans and David and Jim, and I was like, I don't know what we're doing here, but um it was just like it was just I was just had so much energy coming out of the aid station.
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:25.360
But this year I'm I'm not 100% sure on what's going on or on what I'm gonna do, but uh I will say I am I've been testing some some ways to keep rocks out of the bottom of of road super shoes.
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:28.079
So we'll uh we'll see what happens.
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:29.039
I like to hear that.
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.440
You don't have to give away give away anything important.
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:35.039
We still got some time, but uh yeah, interesting to hear that.
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:41.679
And fueling, I would imagine hyperlite and then hitting the gels as well, or are you just gonna go straight hyperlite?
00:41:43.039 --> 00:42:00.639
Yeah, for a race like JFK, um, with the way the weather traditionally is, I'll I'll probably will move towards uh definitely doing most of my fueling with hyperlite, but I'll probably use some gels um just because I don't think I need the sodium, uh, as much sodium.
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:11.840
I don't usually with hyperlite, I'm around 100 to 120 grams of carbs an hour, and that leaves me with uh thousand to twelve hundred milligrams of sodium, which for starting with JFK might be a little bit more than I need.
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.679
So um we'll see.
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:18.320
Um we're still waiting on hyperlite uh the hyperlite gels to come out.
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:22.880
So uh but as soon as they do, I'm I'm excited to start trying those.
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.840
Uh I don't know if it'll be in time for JFK or not.
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.079
But honestly, I didn't know they were making gels.
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:29.840
This is new information, dude.
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:31.280
We heard it here first.
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:38.000
No, it's it's been out for a little while, but um, but yeah, super exciting.
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:47.360
Um but yeah, the last last two winners of of JFK, maybe not in the moment, but last two winners of JFK are are both hyperlite athletes.
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.000
So um we'll keep the training roll.
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:58.079
Yeah, I mean, dude, it's a great race, and it's so prestigious in the sense where like Jim's won big there, Hayden's won big there, Sinclair has, and now Hans, Seth.
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:02.960
Like it's been who's who, you know, Zach Miller made his career kind of getting started out there.
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.840
Um so yeah, it seems like a great, great place.
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.800
I think for sure.
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:24.880
I think I think one of the big draws for the race for me is um I think I would say probably Zach and Hans are like two of the big role models I I would say uh in the sport and and things I've like tried to kind of structure my career around.
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:27.760
And and uh they've both won this race now.
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:43.360
And um they both have like very different ways of I think they both have probably very different personalities and and methods of training, but um so it it's it's uh it's appealing from that sense uh for me is it's like people have been made at JFK.
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:49.360
Yeah, Zach, dude, something about Zach, his durability is what impresses me the most because he trains down here in the springs all the time.
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:56.800
Uh and sometimes I'm just like he put together these like ridiculously convoluted like 25 mile runs.
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.880
And I'm just like, why would you link this with this?
00:43:59.039 --> 00:43:59.760
But his his durability.
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:05.360
Is absolutely nuts, which makes sense as why he's one of the best ultrarrunners on the planet, still.
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:13.840
But um, yeah, how he's been able to just do it and still do it without like running out of steam, and he's got to be close to 40 now is absolutely crazy.
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:15.760
Yeah.
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:34.000
Yeah, well, Zach uh I I love Zach's story because he was, I mean, he was a D3 guy from the Northeast, and uh, you know, he wasn't overly good in college, and uh he just from my perspective from that side, like he he willed his way into the sport, and uh I think there's a lot to be said for that.
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:45.199
Dude, the fact that he won JFK the first time too off of treadmill training on a cruise ship, that should tell everybody that like there's you know, fitness is fitness, you know, get it where you can.
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:46.480
Yeah, for sure.
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:49.519
Uh cool man, we're at the 40-minute mark.
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:51.760
Uh, I think we're gonna go into like lightning round.
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:52.800
This is something brand new.
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:53.760
Never done this before.
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:55.440
I'm gonna start doing this on the pod now.
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:56.800
You're my guinea pig.
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:58.800
So we're gonna do a little lightning round questions.
00:44:59.039 --> 00:44:59.280
Great.
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.559
Uh this is the rendezvous lightning round.
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:03.760
Shout out to Rendezvous.
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:05.920
Uh partner of the pods.
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:06.239
All right.
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.639
What is it your favorite trail shoe of all time?
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.039
Ooh, I love uh Hokus Speed Goats.
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:18.480
Those are like my uh probably the first trail shoe I've had.
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:29.840
Um I also have been recently running in in uh some a good amount of ultras, and the uh Ultra Experience Wild is a pretty good shoe.
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:33.360
I've not dude, I haven't tried the speed goat in years, but it is like such a classic.
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:35.119
I heard the Evo's coming coming back out.
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:46.159
Yeah, I actually I haven't worn speed goats in a while now, but uh that was like I that's probably like my favorite for a while that was like my favorite shoe overall, and uh that was it that was a good one.
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:54.960
Uh I wore Kip Run Kip Summits, so uh which which I think was the perfect shoe for the course.
00:45:55.039 --> 00:46:00.239
Um I'd say that and like probably the Cascadia Elite would have been some of the best shoes you could wear for the course.
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.039
Uh but yeah, just a fast trail shoe.
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:05.760
Uh dude, what's what what what's the selection here?
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:07.599
Solo mission or group run?
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:11.519
Uh group run for sure.
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:12.880
Yeah, I'm a I'm a social guy.
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.000
I I like to I like to chat with people and meet some people.
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:17.280
All right, walkout song.
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:18.880
Like what are you guys listening to these days?
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:21.360
What's the what's the favorite song of all time?
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:21.920
Okay.
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:32.159
Um so during during uh Perpetua, I had I I think I just listened to it.
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:40.559
I I usually on race day I have like a footage of songs I'll like pop my earbuds in before and the two hours before the race and just like get locked in.
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:43.679
Um Rooster by Allison Chains.
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.360
That was that was in my head the entire race.
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:56.719
It was it was just like bouncing around in there and um I just like I just I'd be on like the climbs and I'm like okay, the heart rate's still getting up.
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.519
Like can't snuff the rooster, let's go.
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:07.440
Um so that was like stuck in my head, and and I was I was uh so I've been I would say for like right now if you ask me what my walk up telling you.
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:08.079
I like it.
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:09.280
Favorite sock brand?
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.440
Like what are you wearing for socks these days?
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.480
Uh I gotta say, uh I love the wind socks.
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:27.280
The the wind socks are probably not you're probably not going to win to buy a pair of socks, um, I would say, but but you should be because they've they've been really working well for me.
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:33.920
And uh I just got sent some some new pairs recently, and there's just nothing like putting a fresh pair of socks on.
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:39.840
Uh, I think you don't like realize as training goes on, as you know, fresh socks are so nice.
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:40.719
It was wrong answer.
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:42.400
We're gonna send you some CETAs in the mail.
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:43.280
So all good.
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:44.320
Just kidding.
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:46.400
Uh we'll definitely send you some in the mail, though.
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:56.000
Um, this is this is a me question, just because I love careers and I like look love looking at like the arc of athletes' careers.
00:47:56.239 --> 00:48:03.679
Would you rather be like a one-hit wonder, like get into western states, win western states, and then like that's it, and just never win anything again?
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:08.559
Or would you rather have a consistent long career but like never win the big thing?
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:13.280
Oh, that's a really that's a really good question.
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:26.719
Uh I've winning Western states has like been the goal of mine since like probably that first year I started running when um you know I told you I found about out about trail first.
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:32.800
And um, so like, but at the same time, I want to continue getting better for the next 15 years.
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:43.599
Like I want to have a long career and uh I want to do well at a variety of races, but I've never had a big like a goal as big as winning western states, so I might have to say I don't know, it's just really tough high.
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:44.400
That's a good question.
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:48.559
I just I literally came up with this one on the fly 10 minutes before we started doing this.
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.039
Well, that's a I think it's a terrible question, though.
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.559
But I'll I'll just say winning Western states.
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:59.679
But maybe wait a couple years so I can have like you know a couple years of I have to get to Western states.
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:01.440
Like you have to have at least two good performances.
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:02.000
All right.
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:03.840
What what's your hot hot take in the sport?
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:05.119
Got a hot take.
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:08.960
I probably do.
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:10.559
I just don't know if I have one off the top of my head.
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:15.199
Could it be influencers?
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:16.800
There's there's I mean, there's things, dude.
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:17.760
There's a lot of things.
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:18.480
Okay.
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:20.880
I've got yeah, yeah, I've got a couple actually.
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:21.519
This is great.
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.519
Um yeah, influencers definitely, man.
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:29.760
Um you know, good for you if you can make some money off of just walking around with a camera in the woods.
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:47.119
But um but no, I I think one of my my the things that pains me is uh or I disagree with is uh I think there's this belief that uh there's you know some really fast marathoners could step in and and run well at a race like Western States or or UTMB.
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:53.679
And um you know, maybe that's true to a degree, but um they're not gonna be able to step in.
00:49:53.840 --> 00:50:09.199
You know, you're not gonna get a 205 marathoner that steps in and and uh just lines up at Western States and wins because I I just think the the the type of race it is, it's you don't there's a big difference between running fast for two hours and running fast for 14 hours.
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:17.039
Um and and maybe those people could you know make it to the top of alter running when they if they train for it for a couple years.
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:22.400
But uh I think we've seen it a little bit with some really high caliber marathoners and and roadrunners.
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:26.960
Um you know, hopping into the sport and having some success, but maybe not like the big success.
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.719
So I'm interested to see how that like continues to play out over the next couple years.
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:37.920
But uh I definitely I definitely don't think it's like uh you know if you're at 205 marathon or you can on automatically be one of the best alternatives.
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:39.840
I'm not gonna name names, but we've seen this a lot.
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:51.280
I think the thing that drives me even more crazy is like when they come over and the media gives them like shitloads of attention, and it's like, but there's a lot of guys that are working really hard that are just as good, if not better, that are proven on the trails.
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.719
But we're just gonna give this person attention because they're proven on the roads.
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:56.159
I don't understand that.
00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:57.360
Drives me crazy.
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:03.760
I I completely agree, and I I think like we're talking about this the influencer thing at the same time, and it's it's the same.
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:14.480
Um, which which again, like you know, good for you if you can uh if you can kind of demand that attention off of something other than being the best, but it's not the avenue I want to go, that's for sure.
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:15.679
I can agree with you, more dude.
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:17.280
It's uh it's an interesting sport.
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:26.719
I think it's sorting sorting itself itself out though, because like brands, it seems like now are setting aside there's if they want an influencer, they'll hire and hire an influencer, and there's budget for that.
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:29.760
If they want an athlete, they'll hire an athlete, and that's your job, right?
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:39.199
It's kind of we went through this period of like blurring the lines for a very long time, and it seems like the sport is starting to figure itself out for the most part, hopefully.
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:40.400
Some brands are.
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:41.280
Yeah, for sure.
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:46.000
I I I just think like the yeah, some brands are probably better than others.
00:51:46.079 --> 00:52:03.280
But um, yeah, like okay, run rabbit has a hundred thousand dollars to win this year or next year, and you're not gonna get I just don't think that you're gonna get the winner of you know you're not gonna run you're not gonna get an elite run Boston Marathon and then say, okay, my next race this year is is the Runner Rabbit 100.
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:08.559
Um And if they did, then I think they'd get its own skill.
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:19.840
I mean, I think in even like when you look at it down like the I mean you could make an argument for the golden trail level, like there are very fast marathonners that transition well, but like look at where the Orienteers.
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.119
The Orienteer is absolutely dominated on some of the more technical stuff.
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.119
Um, yeah, I think it's its own skill.
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:31.760
Like you could definitely bring a skill set with you, and speed is definitely one of the biggest aspects of the skill set.
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:38.000
But yeah, it's it's uh that's that's the beauty of the craft, you know, is continuing to get better and working on other things.
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:43.360
And yeah, if it was linear and it was just one to one, then yes, you would see everybody transition.
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:50.320
I was actually really impressed by um, I don't know, I saw a lot of people talking because like Rory was in the broken arrow ascent this year.
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:58.880
And I've when I did the pre-race analysis, I had him as I think as high as like nine and as low as like 20th, somewhere in there.
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:00.880
And I think somewhere in there is actually where he ended up.
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:02.400
But I didn't think he was gonna get on the podium.
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.199
And I've heard a lot of people say, like, thought that he was gonna like win the race.
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.039
I was like, I don't think so, dude.
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:09.599
Like that's definitely not gonna happen.
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:21.519
Yeah, yeah, and I've I've heard the same thing about uh Molly Saidel, and you know, with with you know either winning Black Canyons or winning Western States, and um you know that didn't happen.
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:37.119
And and I think it's uh it's a unique spot where uh yeah, I was at I was in I was in Ta uh Pasades, Tahoe and seeing uh you know Rari get interviewed before the race and and having like a whole camera crew around him.
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:46.079
And um, and then you got you know like Cam Smith who uh I don't I don't know how much attention he got, but you know, obviously performing.
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:51.519
He continues to one of the best in the world, easily, and is an Olympian and yet yeah, didn't I don't know.
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:52.239
It's interesting.
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Uh our bias in the sport, uh that's something I look to correct.
00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:00.880
I I like when I continue to do more of that is like the people that work really hard need to get through Shine.
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:07.840
And uh just because you have a big social media following doesn't mean you should necessarily like, you know, there's balance for both, you know.
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.400
So all right, last question.
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Uh this is a new one.
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.360
Um so we're gonna start this tradition.
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.679
I found this from another podcast and I really liked it.
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:21.360
I want you to give me a question for the next guest.
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:25.199
Oh, this is good, yeah.
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:31.599
Um can you give me a do I get any info about the next guest or is this guy like pretty broad?
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:33.360
Hang on, let me try the calendar.
00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:35.440
It's it could be Remy LaRue.
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:36.400
I gotta text him back.
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:37.360
My cat actually, no.
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:38.559
That would be great.
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:40.400
Actually, if you want to leave it for Remy, we can do that.
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:41.760
My Cappy comes on tomorrow.
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.599
I I want to leave it for Remy.
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.440
Um yeah, no, Remy's great.
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:49.280
Uh all right, I gotta think of something else.
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:52.159
Remy, you don't want to make him upset.
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:54.719
All right.
00:54:54.960 --> 00:55:05.039
My question for Remy is how he responds to I've heard a lot about um I've heard a lot of people talk about downhill running being Remy's weakness.
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:23.280
And maybe this is outdated by like a year or so, but um obviously it can't be that big, it can't be that big of a weakness if if he's able to go and you know hang with some of the fastest downhill runners in the world at a race like uh you know defied couloir um last weekend.
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:31.599
So or but uh but yeah, I would say how he responds to like that type of or diagnosis.
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:32.400
Yeah, defitic coular.
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:33.519
Defit of coular, right?
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:33.760
Yeah.
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But anyway, no, I'd I'd ask him how he responds to to people's thinking, uh maybe maybe thinking things like that.
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:53.360
And um because I I you know you can try not to hear people, but you're gonna you're gonna hear what people are saying at some point, um, even if it's not true.
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:55.920
So uh yeah, I would just I would just that's a good question.
00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:59.440
Especially because like yeah, once you hear that a lot, do you start believing it?
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Because he is one of the best, he's such a good uphill runner.
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:09.760
And responding to that, do you just believe that you're a really good uphill runner and believe that you can't like you know aren't even though we saw what he did this weekend?
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:11.280
So yeah, I don't know.
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:12.960
Um that's a good question.
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I'll leave that for him.
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:16.239
Absolutely.
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:18.639
Yeah, I'm excited to hear what he has to say.
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:19.199
Absolutely.
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:21.119
Dylan, thank you so much for coming on the show, dude.
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:22.320
Great conversation.
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Uh congratulations and uh dude, looking forward to what you're gonna do with JFK.
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:29.519
Thank you.
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:37.760
Yeah, um, appreciate appreciate being on here, and hopefully the you know, I can uh don't disappoint JFK.
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All right.