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00:00:02.319All right, let's do this thing.
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00:00:17.519Howdy.
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00:00:30.480It is me, the Grand Poobah, your Commander in Chief, Lord High Admiral, Archbishop, Lord Mayor, and Lord High uh everything else.
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00:00:34.320Welcome to The Right Questions.
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00:00:38.320And today, I'm gonna tell you a story.
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00:00:45.520And I'm telling it because this idea that drives this story has come up a lot for me lately.
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00:01:02.880I find myself asking people, whether I'm asking them face to face or I'm reading it in their Instagram feeds or their LinkedIn stories, but particularly some of my coaching clients, it's come up.
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00:01:10.239And I'm I have to ask, why are you so afraid of your own voice?
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00:01:13.439It's a good question.
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00:01:15.280It's a decent question.
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00:01:16.640It's a real question.
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00:01:18.959Why are you so afraid of your own voice?
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00:01:27.120Literally, your literal voice, your your metaphorical voice, your your creative voice.
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00:01:29.519Why can't you let that fly?
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00:01:45.359So I'm bringing you this story to illuminate this idea, to to illustrate this idea for you.
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00:01:50.000And the story's about someone else, not about me.
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00:01:56.640It's a story about a former student of mine, a woman named Lena Jensen.
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00:02:01.120But like all stories, this is about you.
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00:02:08.879The reason it's about you is because we see ourselves in mythic adventures.
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00:02:14.080We see ourselves in stories, we recognize qualities we have.
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00:02:22.800Like like like the girl on fire in the Hunger Games, or we recognize our qualities in Frodo Baggins.
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00:02:30.639Or we want to we want qualities like Atticus Finch from To Kill a Mockingbird.
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00:02:31.599Right?
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00:02:34.960That's the thing about good stories.
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00:02:37.439They're always about us.
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00:02:41.919Because in the particular lies the universal, right?
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00:02:52.879It's almost an inverse law, this this making something particular and small and special and precise, so it becomes universal.
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00:03:06.319Meaning the more authentic and personal and vulnerable we can be, the more our story, the more our lives, the more our work speaks to others.
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00:03:15.120And sometimes the simplest and most powerful story is just the uncomfortable truth.
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00:03:34.080But here's the thing: no matter how common or boring you perceive it, if told honestly, you become a hero to others and light the way for them and their struggles.
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00:03:38.319Your common becomes uncommon.
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00:03:43.039Your vulnerability becomes your power.
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00:03:48.560And that's what we hear at The Right Questions.
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00:03:51.759We, you and I, that's what we seek.
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00:04:00.240So Lina was a workshop guest of mine from a few years ago.
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00:04:02.879And she had come to me from Denmark.
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00:04:11.520I remember her as being very smart and very talented, but somewhat unsure of her purpose.
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00:04:19.439She had a small design studio that she called Smoke and Mirrors that didn't make her very happy.
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00:04:23.600And I don't think it really brought in much much bread either.
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00:04:29.439And the funny thing is, I told her to ditch that name and use her own.
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00:04:42.160But I think I she must have thought I was crazy because I didn't know that the name Lena Jensen in Denmark was much like Mary Smith in the United States.
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00:04:45.439I was telling her to like blend in, right?
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00:04:49.680But she was not happy being a designer.
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00:04:59.439But her drawings were delightful and she wanted to be an artist, but to her the learning curve seemed too large.
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00:05:09.439So in 2002, Lena Jensen was a struggling artist and a new mom on maternity leave.
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00:05:18.720And during this forced solitude, she began to share her life on Instagram through her drawings.
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00:05:36.000She chose not to draw all the adorable little things about motherhood, but rather the frustration with the dishes that accumulate, the quarrels with her boyfriend, the laundry, and the exhaustion.
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00:05:52.800And because of all that, her debut graphic novel, chronicling her life, was titled Every Day It Starts Again, won first prize in the Danish Cartoon Awards in 2018.
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00:05:56.879Her drawings were not elaborate or refined.
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00:06:03.600They're honest and human and unpretentious and humorous.
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00:06:10.480I recorded a conversation with Lena in 2020.
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00:06:16.879And my first question was, what made you weird as a kid?
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00:06:23.439And following are Lena's words from our conversation together.
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00:06:31.839And starring in the role as Lina Jensen will be James Victory.
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00:06:35.839Here we go.
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00:06:43.279The funny thing is, I actually never felt that weird.
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00:06:47.279On the opposite, I always felt super normal.
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00:06:49.759Boring to really boring.
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00:06:57.360I was a regular kid doing my homework and minding my own business, and doing what the grown-ups told me to do.
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00:06:59.680I was always drawing.
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00:07:05.759But it was always after doing my homework and whatever task I was told.
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00:07:12.000I was minding my own business, thinking my own thoughts, and just being in the world.
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00:07:17.120I kept a journal and diary since I was eight or nine.
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00:07:21.439It was really personal and a safe space for me.
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00:07:27.040In university I studied art history.
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00:07:29.040It was super boring.
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00:07:32.800And I changed to graphic design so I could be more creative.
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00:07:36.800But that was still doing a lot of other people's work.
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00:07:39.839And I was always trying to be somebody else.
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00:07:43.120I was trying to copy great graphic designers.
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00:07:45.680I wanted to be cool like they were.
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00:07:50.959And I always felt like I couldn't really come up with anything myself.
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00:07:54.399I really wanted to do more me work.
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00:08:02.240I wanted to tell more personal stories, or stories dealing with how the world works and how people work.
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00:08:05.040But I never knew how.
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00:08:19.199I have always been funny, and I've always been very ironic and self-deprecating, telling shitty things about myself in order to make other people feel better.
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00:08:32.639I was really good in conversations with others because I could quickly understand if people felt insecure, and I would immediately tell a very embarrassing story about myself in that regard.
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00:08:38.080That would make others feel like, oh my, okay, I can relax.
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00:08:40.399That's always been my superpower.
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00:08:49.600But it's also really been annoying for me to feel like that because often, if people are not ready to react to that, they go like, oh, really?
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00:08:50.639You did that?
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00:08:51.759I never do that.
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00:08:54.639And it just becomes super awkward.
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00:08:58.320It really depends on who you talk to, how that works.
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00:09:06.320Right now, you're thinking, oh man, I wish James Victory could be my mentor, my guru.
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00:09:08.960Hell, I wish he was my coach.
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00:09:11.919Well, you can make that happen.
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00:09:16.000Go to your workisagift.com.
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00:09:23.039There's a questionnaire that will probably help you out, but it'll also give you access to a free call.
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00:09:24.799So let's talk.
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00:09:29.840Let's free you from overwhelm and creative frustration.
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00:09:35.200Let's build your business and help you get paid to do what you love.
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00:09:39.440Again, go to yourworkisagift.com.
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00:09:41.440Let's talk.
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00:09:44.799I was about to go on maternity leave.
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00:09:55.279In Denmark, maternity leave is a year if you want, which for me was so depressing to be at home alone with a baby for a year.
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00:10:00.159I needed to do something with my work, to develop my skills.
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00:10:06.639And I didn't want to come back to my business just doing the same jobs that I've been doing for 15 years.
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00:10:10.320I really needed to change something in my work and my life.
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00:10:15.440But how am I going to do anything now that I'm going to be home alone for a year?
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00:10:19.120What I really wanted to do is draw.
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00:10:23.120But the only thing I can draw is my life, which is shitty.
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00:10:26.480And the only story I can tell is mine.
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00:10:34.240But this is my life right now, and it's super boring, and it's super normal because I'm home alone with the kid.
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00:10:36.000Isn't everybody?
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00:10:38.720So I drew every day.
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00:10:45.039Some days I would draw with my left hand, because I was breastfeeding, holding the baby with my right.
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00:10:55.679Or I would sing kids to sleep in the dark, and the room would get darker and darker, and I would come out of the room with a drawing like, uh, okay, what did I draw?
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00:11:06.240But this was really helpful for me, because I lost the self-censoring worries about if it's good enough.
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00:11:11.279It was just, okay, this was the time I had today.
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00:11:14.559It got done in the middle of the night with lousy lighting.
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00:11:17.679Just take a picture of it and put it on Instagram.
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00:11:24.559So it became this dogma that was working really well for me because I couldn't think too much about it.
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00:11:26.000I had no plan.
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00:11:29.360So it was just, okay, this is what happened today.
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00:11:37.120In the beginning, I was drawing plants in the window or boring stuff.
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00:11:45.360But when I started drawing situations and feelings that I was in the middle of, I just immediately felt the reaction.
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00:11:49.440And I had 200 follower friends from my Facebook.
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00:11:51.519So it was mainly for my friends.
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00:12:04.159And I was mainly drawing to say, okay, I might not pick up the phone, but when you call, because I'm here in the middle of laundry and breastfeeding and changing diapers and screaming kids, so I'm kind of lost to that world.
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00:12:07.679But this is a little glimpse of what I'm going through right now.
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00:12:15.279But it was life-changing in the way that all of a sudden a lot of strangers came into my Instagram account.
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00:12:19.519And everybody was like, oh my God, that's exactly how I feel.
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00:12:22.639I was afraid to tell my husband that I feel that way.
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00:12:23.679How can I put it like that?
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00:12:24.960How can you write like that?
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00:12:26.799How can you draw like that?
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00:12:30.720But that's how everybody feels.
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00:12:35.600So it's not like my story is very spectacular in any way, it's normal.
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00:12:43.919And it's just that I tell my really, really super normal story that everybody can relate to it somehow.
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00:12:51.360So I found out slowly that I was able to do something with my drawings that I didn't realize before.
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00:12:57.840And even if my drawings were really bad or not natural, I could transfer a feeling.
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00:13:03.840I could sit home alone with a weird feeling, and I could draw it on paper.
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00:13:09.279I just put it out there, and people immediately understood my feeling one-to-one.
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00:13:11.840So to me it was magic.
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00:13:17.360Sharing was never an issue for me.
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00:13:24.159I never thought, oh, I need to do this and I need to be honest, and I need to break the taboo and talk about these things.
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00:13:30.320I was always sharing my feelings and my doubts with whomever I met.
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00:13:33.440I think that was what made me weird as a kid.
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00:13:40.480I remember a lot of friends telling me to be to be more uh mystic, more cool, and not so honest.
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00:13:46.960That was just what came natural to me because that's how I am.
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00:13:54.960Now I was sharing my drawings, but also my emotions, fears, and even shame.
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00:13:59.200And I think that's what people relate to still.
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00:14:04.799Back then I did my drawings super quick because I had no time.
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00:14:09.519But somehow it's become my way of working, and that's still how I work.
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00:14:14.000I'm always too busy to sit down and actually make a nice drawing.
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00:14:17.440But it's become my style to draw like that.
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00:14:21.200It's become my way to cheat myself into drawing.
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00:14:28.000Because if I get too conscious about, oh, I need to make this perfect drawing, I can't draw at all.
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00:14:38.240If I have to make it all right in the beginning, I would just be sitting for ten years thinking about it all night and never doing anything.
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00:14:48.399This process has been super freeing for me because I no longer have to pretend to be someone else.
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00:14:53.759I no longer have to go to work and pretend to be cool and like I'm figuring things out.
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00:15:08.159And I can go into a business meeting with people that I never dreamt of meeting with, but everybody knows me, and they're like, well, we want you because you're chaos, and the kids are screaming, and there'll be coffee all over the place, and it will probably be probably be late.
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00:15:16.720I can be very true to who I am in all of my relations, which is freeing.
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00:15:26.720But also being that it's become so big and so public has always been really weird for me because I never wanted to be a public figure.
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00:15:40.799And now I'm recognized in the street, and I'm I'm all the opposite of what people think I am, and they say, Oh, you're really cool and successful, and I'm like, No, I'm just me.
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00:15:54.240I have a lot of fans, and people write me the most touching messages, like, I thought I was being wrong, but your work made me realize that it's okay to be who I am.
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00:16:02.799It's really powerful to make people feel okay about how they feel instead of being ashamed.
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00:16:19.200My drawings have made moms and women give up on the idea of being perfect or flawless or endless love fountains, and instead become real human beings with faults and frustrations and ambitions.
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00:16:24.399Being a mom and being a person is hard work.
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00:16:25.600It's tough.
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00:16:32.559Sometimes you feel shitty and embarrassed about it, and feel like you have to hide that you feel that way.
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00:16:40.399So there's this new layer of shame and shit that you put on top of the thing that's already shitty enough.
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00:16:50.720So if I can take away a little bit of that shame and just talk about what's shitty already, I think that's fantastic.
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00:16:56.559Those were Lina Jensen's words.
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00:17:11.359And the last time I spoke to Lina, she reminded me that I asked her to use her uber-common name, Lina Jensen, and she told me with a big smile, she said, James, now I am the Lina Jensen.
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00:17:27.039Listen, if you were breathing and you are here right now and you're listening to me, I'm telling you, I'm telling you honestly, you have a story.
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00:17:33.759And it is righteous and it is vibrant, and it is truthful.
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00:17:41.200And no matter how boring you feel it is, the world wants to hear from you.
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00:17:46.960I'm James Victoria, and this is the right questions.
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00:17:49.519Thank you all for being here.
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00:17:51.519Thank you for supporting this program.
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00:17:56.480Without you, there is no right questions.
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00:17:59.839By the way, send in questions if you have 'em.
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00:18:01.599I'm ready to answer them.
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00:18:05.920Otherwise, everybody, be cool.
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00:18:08.000Everybody be strong.
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00:18:12.160I'm James Victory, and this is the right questions.