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00:00:27.195Hello, my unicorns.
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00:00:31.465Welcome back to another special guest episode Today.
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00:00:42.096I am so excited to introduce you to a queer, femnasty human with Butch Queen tendencies who's quickly making a name for themselves in the porn industry.
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00:00:45.849I've got Morgxn Thicke on the podcast today, welcome.
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00:00:49.375Thank you so much Hi.
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00:00:53.582Yeah, thanks for having me.
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00:01:07.790Of course, you know, before we like jump into all the questions having to do with your work in the porn industry, I really want to get to know a little bit more about who you are as a human outside of porn.
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00:01:09.353Am I a human?
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00:01:14.560Okay, yeah, that sounds good.
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00:01:18.310Tell us a little bit about you, who you are.
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00:01:21.140What do you like to do, like your interests, I mean?
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00:01:22.161I'm.
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00:01:25.471I think I'm boring outside of porn.
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00:01:32.850Like people, I think, assume that I'm out here having sex with a lot of different people all the time.
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00:01:42.025But honestly, I'm just kind of comfy in my PJs or relaxing on the beach, that's it.
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00:01:50.659I love how you know that we can all have these kind of public personas.
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00:01:57.469I mean, anyone can, with social media, just put out this kind of show of how we want the world to perceive us.
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00:02:08.194And yeah, I'm similar in that, like I'm very I'm a pretty like stay at home and chill, which is like my good close friends.
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00:02:14.712But the version that people see online is very different, very outgoing.
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00:02:29.585Yeah, and the industry kind of like forces you to be social in that like you want to engage and you want to kind of network and be seen in order to kind of build your brand.
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00:02:32.331But very much so.
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00:02:46.408I need like that relaxed time where I'm kind of like watching below deck for four hours and I have my bowl of ice cream and my dog in my lap.
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00:02:46.990That's about it.
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00:02:49.013I love it.
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00:02:56.383Okay, I'm also like really curious when.
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00:03:04.581Like what has your experience been like meeting and making friends now that you're more well known online?
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00:03:08.679Um, that's a really good question.
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00:03:23.187So I guess there's a difference between like meeting and making friends and making associations like within the like sex work bubble.
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00:03:46.705Like originally, when I first got into like the sex work industry in my true like Midwestern Nebraska mindset, I was like I'm going to be friends with everybody, everyone's going to be my friend, I'm going to be so nice to everybody and I'm just going to all be like besties.
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00:04:14.637Yeah, after a few years like I've come to kind of understand, like in order to protect people's like mental state or themselves in general, like there is that like divide where you kind of have to build a barrier like okay, you are a work friend or a work situation, and then maybe along the lines you might like build a little bit more.
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00:04:35.940But in general it's kind of weird making friends because people put on such a pedestal and I just think of myself as like Midwestern boy who used to shut corn for his job.
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00:04:42.932Yeah, it was like very kind of like I bag like women's groceries and carry them out to their cars.
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00:04:45.197Just I don't know what this life is.
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00:04:51.350This life of a star a rising star.
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00:05:01.045I mean, I love that, the real, how real you are to like.
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00:05:09.644This is always a fun thing about getting to know people when they're not on stage, like on stage anymore.
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00:05:14.839It's just such a beautiful reminder that we are all just fucking humans.
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00:05:17.026Yeah, I'm just trying to pay my bills.
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00:05:21.276Yeah, absolutely so.
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00:05:38.468Okay, I also would love to know do you have any ways that kind of help you differentiate between when you are Morgxn Thicke and when you are off like offstage chilling at home?
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00:05:38.910You?
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00:05:46.884Um, differentiate just shutting my front door?
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00:05:59.257No, I'm, I think I know like going into certain scenarios like okay, this is a this is a Morgxn Thicke scenario.
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00:06:13.555Like I need to get rid of bull because I'm going to be like interacting with a lot of people and I need to be there for a given amount of time in order to like kind of make my rounds or whatever.
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00:06:53.696It has been kind of interesting in respect to like me just socially going out to maybe like an event or a bar, or going out to a restaurant with friends or or just even maybe to the beach and planning to be like casual and this is not a Morgxn Thicke thing Like we're just relaxing, we're having fun, we're going to kiki and then we're going to like I don't know, let loose, yeah, and being approached by people and it kind of turning into like oh the Morgxn Thicke show, like oh, can we take a picture?
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00:07:14.076And where I really appreciate like that kind of response from people and I welcome it, like I want people to feel like they can come up to me and say hello or whatever it does, kind of like I can tell, like it's a little annoying for like friends and family and everything.
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00:07:17.122Yeah, yeah, it's probably me.
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00:07:22.929I'm kind of like this is just part of the thing, like this is, this is what I agreed to be a part of.
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00:07:24.072Yeah, yeah.
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00:07:25.735I love that.
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00:07:30.483I think a lot of people that I, not a lot of you.
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00:07:36.062It's not like I've thousands of celebrities that have all told me but that's not the case.
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00:07:57.468I'm trying to exaggerate a little bit less, but like I have heard from others a similar thing or sorry, not a dissimilar thing, where they're saying you know, oh, I don't want all these people giving me all this attention when I really love that you're very much like, honest with yourself about that.
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00:08:09.862Hey, this is part of the gig, this is part of what you signed up for and it may be, it may be difficult for others around you, but have you found any ways that have kind of worked for you to like navigate that?
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00:08:46.852I don't know, like in interactions with people when they come up to me, it's kind of like I feel so humbled because often, like people tell me like how much, like how grateful they are for like seeing someone like me represent like within the sex community or I don't know, it's very humbling for someone to come up and say like such appreciation for me doing what I consider to be like something that I enjoy.
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00:09:19.376But it definitely, I don't know I always try to remain like humble in that, like I said, like I don't think that I'm anybody special, like I'm no better than anyone else and honestly, like within any industry, like there is always going to be like someone Like coming up and probably replacing you within like the next certain amount of time, unless you're like super smart or you're the only person in the world that can do whatever you're doing.
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00:09:27.086Like there is not I am not the only person in the world that is doing any like genderqueer, kind of like reform or anything like that.
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00:09:34.108There are way bigger platforms and more substantial like advocates out there.
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00:09:38.545I'm just kind of trying to find my way in the world.
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00:09:40.516I love it.
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00:09:44.306You're so like just I don't know real honest and relatable.
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00:09:46.441So I try to be.
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00:09:49.794I mean, I don't know, I don't think you even need to try, it's just you, naturally.
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00:09:52.024Yeah, just awkward as fuck.
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00:10:08.074Well, I'm so glad that you're here anyway, even though you feel awkward, yeah, like this is my first podcast, though, like my first official podcast, so we're going to get through it.
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00:10:11.085Yeah, I get to take your podcast virginity.
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00:10:12.169I know what an honor.
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00:10:13.594Don't rip it off.
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00:10:19.233Right, gentle, gentle, gentle, All right.
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00:10:23.334So I feel like we've gotten to know you a little bit more outside of the industry.
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00:10:25.723But how did you get into porn?
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00:10:26.256How did?
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00:10:32.726yeah, how to get into porn, I guess.
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00:10:36.274So I got into porn around like 2019.
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00:10:43.068I found myself in a situation where I needed to make some extra income.
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00:11:10.420My husband wanted to go to school and in order to allow that to happen and not like rely solely on like loans and everything like that, I was looking for an alternative or like a secondary employment, yeah, and something that I could do that would theoretically make like a decent income for a few years.
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00:11:52.634Yeah, I've always kind of been interested in doing sex work in terms of like studio, and at that time, like only fans was kind of starting to become a thing, and in my ripe old age of like 30, I don't even remember like 33, maybe I was kind of adapting to like this mentality of like, well, sex work is work and it's valid and if I love sex, then maybe I'll be good at sex Right and you know, on camera, yeah, like.
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00:12:05.884So I had already kind of like started doing photo shoots and modeling and I've done like nude photography and I was kind of exposed in that sense.
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00:12:15.174So starting and only fans was kind of pretty easy for me in that terms or in that manner.
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00:12:39.000It was interesting navigating, like meeting individuals and immediately trying to like create chemistry, because for me, like, chemistry is kind of crucial in terms of like making everything work, right, but that's.
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00:12:55.481I kind of navigated that just by like having discussions with people, either on Instagram or meeting with them prior to, and kind of going over like oh, what gets your juices flowing?
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00:12:58.694And kind of like where, like, what are your interests?
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00:13:00.833Like, what are your hotspots or what are your nose?
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00:13:06.704Yeah, like, what do you like in bed that makes you like really enjoy it?
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00:13:10.451Yeah, yeah, go from there.
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00:13:26.726Okay, I feel like we need to like pause and just sort of notice this even more here, because this is something that every single person listening can benefit tremendously from is learning how to talk about these things.
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00:13:29.619Oh, 100%, 100%.
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00:13:31.826There's like no training, you know?
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00:13:34.159No, it's like balancing your checkbook.
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00:13:39.323Right, we all have heard of it, but do we know how to do it?
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00:13:44.760What's worked well for you around like?
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00:13:47.206How do you approach these conversations?
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00:13:53.147How would you recommend someone like start breaching these topics with a potential partner?
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00:14:13.778I recommend, like head on, yeah, like just kind of dive right in, like once you know like it's going in, or even if it's not going in, like a sexual direction, like it's always good to be like transparent regarding like, are you sexual, are you not sexual?
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00:14:17.574Like, do you like touch or do you not like touch?
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00:14:34.304Like just kind of establishing that bridge of like where, mentally, the other person or persons are regarding like intimate interaction.
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00:14:45.654I think it's very crucial in whatever kind of relationship that you're engaging in, whether it be like casual sex or like an intimate, like long-term relationship.
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00:15:07.399Yeah, like it's always, in my mind, good to check in and recheck in in order to kind of like just reestablish like what are we doing and how can we do it the best we can, yeah, yeah, and does that sound?
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00:15:11.274I don't want it to sound like so, like mechanical, but it's kind of just like.
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00:15:15.754I just think it's good to start that conversation like as early as possible.
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00:15:17.381Absolutely.
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00:15:39.141And with that like when you first started reaching out to others or having people reach out to you to kind of collaborate with only fans, or you have a few other sites too, like for my fans and just for fans, okay, so how did that feel at first?
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00:15:55.637Were you, like, really nervous to reach these topics, or Kind of I really didn't expect like people to kind of respond back to me and like now the way that Twitter's run.
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00:16:12.906Like you have to I don't know like you have to have a blue tech mark in order for someone to like, message you or reach out to you, but back then, like in the Stone Age, you could just message whoever who allowed you to, whoever had like their messages open.
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00:16:42.176Yeah, so I would basically just like go through the Twitterverse of porn and I would just find accounts that kind of like emulated something that I connected with, whether that be like chemistry, whether that be kink, whether that be them just being like a beautiful individual that I thought maybe like oh, I might have a chance, and I just messaged them and I was like hey, I'm starting an early fans.
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00:16:50.078I know like my Twitter sucks right now and just started and I think that would be really good.
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00:16:54.133Bye, I'm 100% okay meeting with you.
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00:17:04.994Please go through my Twitter feed, go through my Instagram Like if it seems like something that you're interested in, like let's discuss, and kind of took it from there.
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00:17:06.657I love it.
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00:17:16.251I feel like literally everyone can learn a lot from this, whether they're looking to start their own OnlyFans or whether they're just looking to date.
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00:17:25.768Like you said, it's literally just as simple, as I mean simple, even though it's scary, but it's still simple.
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00:17:33.832As simple as looking for things that are interesting about the other person and just commenting on it.
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00:17:36.512Hey, I noticed this about your profile.
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00:17:39.011I really am interested in that too.
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00:17:41.472Or, hey, I just think you're very attractive.
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00:17:48.812I would love to take you out for dinner or bring you over to my house to film a scene.
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00:17:55.974But also I think another part of it is being open to possibilities maybe that you wouldn't consider.
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00:18:11.851I feel, like a lot of people especially that I've encountered within sex work, they're so rigid on maybe the individual who they will hook up with or the individual that they're willing to work with.
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00:18:29.633And I think for me personally, a lot of the best interactions that I've had came from surprising situations that I really hadn't expected or I maybe wouldn't have sought.
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00:18:43.173After they reached out to me, we just had like chats and I was like, okay, let's just give it a go and see where it goes, and it was just kind of fun like exploring sex.
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00:18:54.263It doesn't always have to be great, but I mean, for me personally, the more interaction you have with an individual it gets better.
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00:19:03.133I mean, yeah, it's not gonna be always be great the first time, but I think we're gonna be able to do that.
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00:19:09.077But I think with experience it will get better.
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00:19:11.249That makes a lot of sense.
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00:19:18.254I think a lot of us put a lot of pressure onto each interaction like, oh, it's got to be great.
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00:19:21.227And it never happens.
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00:19:21.870No.
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00:19:28.548And then it also makes us lock up more and when.
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00:19:40.831The more anxious we are, the less flexible and like open we are Physically, but also like mentally, we're totally gonna be more awkward the more stressed out we are about being perfect.
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00:19:43.532Yeah, and you may miss out on an opportunity.
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00:19:46.012That could be amazing.
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00:19:50.893Just be open, just have fun with it.
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00:19:55.784I don't know, yeah, like don't take it so seriously, it could be surprised.
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00:19:59.609I think it's serious to a certain extent because it is a business, but yeah.
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00:19:59.971Yes.
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00:20:16.428I think, allowing yourself to be open to possibilities and a variety or a range of scenarios, individuals, it's just something that maybe, like a lot of individuals in the sex world, don't do.
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00:20:20.135Yeah, I love that.
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00:20:29.114All right, here's another question that I think a lot of us could really benefit from.
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00:20:50.291I imagine that you get a lot of messages from people fans even that are like oh my God, I wanna hook up with you, who may not really be, who really may not be, someone that you're like going to collaborate with in a business way, and so, and you're maybe you're like, hey, I'm not available for this.
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00:21:00.015Yeah, what are your recommendations or tips or insights for how to say no when you don't want to have sex with someone?
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00:21:10.171For me personally, it's kind of like oh hey, I appreciate you reaching out, it's probably gonna be a no.
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00:21:25.672But then again, in those responses I've also, like I was saying before, a lot of situations in situations where I maybe wouldn't have maybe sought after like an individual.
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00:22:11.272I allowed myself to kind of interact with them and yeah, like meeting up with them, where the interaction was much better than I kind of anticipated, there is like for me, there is kind of a level of like a boundary that I have to draw, because a lot of people reach out to me and I feel as though, like they want to hook up, because they see me as like a sexual object, and if I get that feeling then it's automatically a no for me, because I don't want to put myself in a situation where I'm just an object.
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00:22:26.913Yeah, like I want to be seen as a person, yeah, I want to be like validated as a person and, conversely, like I want to validate the other person as like an individual, like a being, that we are two beings coming together.
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00:22:43.852And if I feel like it's very transactional because I've had to like tell people that are doing like only fans or wanting to do like an only fans, like collaboration, like if I feel like it's very transactional, like no, it's an absolute no.
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00:22:44.625Yeah.
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00:22:45.625Yeah.
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00:22:57.269You know, you just really really kind of sparked this realization for me that I want to share real quick.
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00:23:37.033I have had sexual trauma in my past and been like sexually abused by friends when I was a little kid and because of that it has I've had this kind of framework of looking at like sex and connection and friendships in this very kind of like black and white way that it was like scary for me even to also like become more popular online because I started getting a lot of sexual attention with that too and then feeling like I don't know what to do with this.
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00:23:57.931So let me just shut down and I really really appreciate the insight that you're even giving me right now of Brown, like hey, let's be a little more flexible here and know the boundary, that like I'm okay with actually being sexual with people when I'm respected as a whole being.
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00:24:06.346I'm not okay with being treated sexually when I'm an object, and then it can just be an easy no yeah.
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00:24:12.496Yeah, and I mean a lot of people take offense to it and I respect that.
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00:24:21.559But if your initial phrase is like, you have a great ass I don't want to fuck it, then I don't think so.
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00:24:23.653Thanks for the note.
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00:24:28.453Right, yeah, I appreciate that so much.
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00:24:31.390It's a great insight, yeah.
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00:24:34.856I'm really sorry to hear about your trauma.
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00:24:42.999Yeah, it's really unfortunate Because I mean, you seem like such a lovely individual.
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00:24:50.859Thank you, yeah, I appreciate that and I've worked through a lot of these things.
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00:25:00.394I've been in therapies in second grade and out over the years, so I've collectively spent more than 10 years in therapy, approaching 15 years.
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00:25:04.755We work through these things.
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00:25:08.875There's no other way but through it, but I appreciate that.
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00:25:20.060So isn't it so interesting to how, as gay and queer men, we find the need to sexualize everything?
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00:25:32.258Oh, my god, yes absolutely as a podcast, just putting yourself out there, yeah, and people are like let's do it.
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00:25:33.031Right?
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00:25:43.938Well, I also used to be a fitness coach and I think I definitely felt the need to make my Instagram very thirst-trappy in order to attract attention.
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00:25:56.271But I think the way that I did it, my intention behind it, wasn't like I want people to actually approach me just for sex.
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00:26:13.135I wanted people to be like, ok, wait, he's hot, but like and gay, and I can relate in that way, but I don't want to fuck him, I want to be him, I want to do his program or whatever, and that was more the vibe I was going for.
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00:26:15.394It worked that way for some people.
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00:26:17.455It didn't work that way for others.
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00:26:28.836And then when I evolved into coaching, still same thing A lot less of the sexual attention, but it's still there.
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00:26:33.836I still have to sometimes be paying attention to when someone's like hey, I want to work with you.
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00:26:44.854Great, do you want to work with me just because you want to spend time with me and you're hoping that will lead to sex, like, yeah, because that's not.
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00:26:46.908The true intention.
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00:26:52.909You're right, but anyway, this episode is not about me, so let's go back to you.
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00:26:57.929Sorry, no apology necessary.
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00:26:59.480I'm not a loophole.
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00:27:09.769I love this, but I want everyone to be able to really get to know you here, because they get to hear way too much of me on every other episode.
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00:27:26.729So I'm curious about another thing, about, like, what might viewers find surprising that happens behind the scenes that they're totally unaware of when they're watching videos?
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00:27:33.684I mean for me it kind of goes back to that discussion, like a pre-sex discussion.
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00:27:47.465I'm very much all about sitting down and really getting to know a person and understanding, like I said, what are their hotspots?
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00:27:56.038What parts of your body can I touch that maybe make your toes curl?
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00:28:06.528Or like some people love their nipples played with and some people it's really like a no or like a dead zone.
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00:28:06.629Yeah.
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00:28:10.422It's like, oh well, you're doing nothing, like you're wasting it.
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00:28:10.762Yeah.
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00:28:33.893And for me, like in those circumstances when people like, if I go to play with someone's nipples and they're reacting because they think the camera wants to see a reaction, versus like reacting because that feels good, that I kind of I don't want that Like.
00:28:33.932 -->
00:28:36.219No, I don't want to show like that kind of porn.
00:28:36.219 -->
00:28:37.360I don't want to make that kind of porn.
00:28:37.360 -->
00:29:02.717Yeah, like, every reaction that I have is very much so like an authentic reaction and I really want to like give people kind of like like I started out making porn because I wanted to provide like intimate visuals to people that they kind of it was kind of so like there was so much chemistry and there was so much intimacy.
00:29:02.717 -->
00:29:05.145Like people were like should I be watching this?
00:29:05.145 -->
00:29:05.769Like can I watch this?
00:29:05.769 -->
00:29:08.145Oh, this is hot.
00:29:08.145 -->
00:29:08.688Like I want to watch more.
00:29:08.688 -->
00:29:13.769Like I want that chemistry, I want to feel that kind of passion.
00:29:13.769 -->
00:29:24.441So, for me, like I really want to know like what turns people on in order to actually turn them on Right.
00:29:24.441 -->
00:29:25.363Yeah, I don't know.
00:29:25.363 -->
00:29:26.725I love that.
00:29:29.634 -->
00:29:30.236It's so.
00:29:30.236 -->
00:29:34.360It's less of a performance and more of like an authentic.
00:29:35.588 -->
00:30:01.812Yeah, it's kind of hard to have hard to find like other people in like only fans that want to kind of commit to that amount of like vulnerability, yeah, and also that amount of like discussion and work, yeah, and I mean a lot of it can occur like just sexting like between two individuals, like prior to like leading up.
00:30:01.812 -->
00:30:22.764But yeah, I love that aspect of getting to know someone and then getting to explore those delicious little fun things that really turn them on.
00:30:22.764 -->
00:30:32.967So I guess that's something that a lot of people probably don't talk about or encounter.
00:30:34.530 -->
00:30:35.291That's so neat.
00:30:35.852 -->
00:30:36.033Yeah.
00:30:37.336 -->
00:30:39.605Okay, one other thing I want to ask you.
00:30:39.605 -->
00:30:45.942A few episodes ago, I talked with the Bottoms Digest and we were talking about how, oh my God, do you know that?
00:30:46.102 -->
00:30:46.482Do you know him?
00:30:46.482 -->
00:30:46.923Yeah?
00:30:47.105 -->
00:30:47.605I love them.
00:30:47.605 -->
00:30:50.659Yeah, they are fantastic.
00:30:50.659 -->
00:31:06.196Okay, so one of the things that we talked about was how in porn, like produced porn, there are the same messes that happen in real life, where not everything's always perfectly perfect.
00:31:06.196 -->
00:31:24.537Can you confirm that the same awkwardness that happens in anyone else's sex encounters whether that's messes or awkward things that happen like I don't know you climb off the bed and stub your toe?
00:31:27.794 -->
00:31:43.826I 100% can confirm that even though it's studio work and it's very structured and it's very scripted, we're still human beings, we're still engaging together.
00:31:43.826 -->
00:31:49.423It is still very real in that aspect.
00:31:49.423 -->
00:31:56.544And of course there's always going to be a little mess, or I mean not always.
00:31:56.544 -->
00:32:04.720I've been really fortunate that I have not encountered a mess yet in the few studio scenes that I have done.
00:32:04.720 -->
00:32:26.746It is definitely a fear in the back of my head, as I'm sure it's in a lot of people's head, if I were to go into a studio scene bottoming and knowing that you're going to be there for like six hours, maybe six to eight hours.
00:32:27.976 -->
00:32:28.700Wait, hold on.
00:32:28.700 -->
00:32:30.678This is something that I just not know.
00:32:30.678 -->
00:32:34.241Okay, you're actually filming for like six to eight hours.
00:32:35.694 -->
00:32:41.960Maybe this is like a secret that I'm not supposed to tell people, but not continuously filming for six to eight hours.
00:32:41.960 -->
00:33:10.241But it depends on, like, how many clips the director wants to go through and how long it takes to get through each clip, whether it's how many camera angles they want to do or how long it takes individuals to get an erection, because they generally want you to have a full erection when the filming starts in order to provide that fantasy.
00:33:10.241 -->
00:33:12.979Yeah, like optics over softics.
00:33:12.979 -->
00:33:19.945Yeah, but yeah, it can go all day.
00:33:19.945 -->
00:33:21.428That's impressive.
00:33:21.428 -->
00:33:33.705They do provide opportunities to go freshen up and shower and there's breaks for food or water, and they're very accommodating.
00:33:33.705 -->
00:33:35.838It is not like jail.
00:33:35.838 -->
00:33:43.581You were chained to this desk until we finished this game, but yeah, it takes as long as it takes.
00:33:44.944 -->
00:33:45.726It's so interesting.
00:33:45.726 -->
00:33:51.145I think I knew that it took longer, but in my head that just meant like maybe like three hours.
00:33:52.167 -->
00:33:54.861Yeah, I mean that's like a good well for me.
00:33:54.861 -->
00:34:19.789I usually a lot like two hours for any kind of only fan scene, so that is like set up and talking and getting to know and like breaking the ice, like I've never met this person before in real life and I don't want it to be awkward, and we kind of go into everything and then maybe we'll fuck for like an hour hour and a half.
00:34:19.789 -->
00:34:41.347And then there's the exchange that happens afterwards, like exchanging content and making sure like everybody signs model releases and everyone understands like when and where and how we'll post and all that I should not sexy stuff Right All the business side, yeah, yeah.
00:34:42.456 -->
00:34:42.918I love it.
00:34:42.918 -->
00:34:46.719Okay, hey, this is right.
00:34:46.719 -->
00:34:50.788There is even just such helpful information, I think, for people to understand.
00:34:50.788 -->
00:34:56.469I think when they're watching a 15 minute video, there's hours that go into it.
00:34:56.469 -->
00:35:11.538Yeah, and you cannot expect to have sex with someone that looks like a 15 minute porn and in real life it's going to be a 15 minute encounter and it's going to happen the same way or even similar like that's.
00:35:11.538 -->
00:35:13.605There's a fantasy to it.
00:35:14.255 -->
00:35:18.025No, it's very much like a business in that aspect.
00:35:18.025 -->
00:35:30.545You have to understand, like your customer, and what fantasy you're providing them and then, generally speaking, just kind of perfecting that's over time.
00:35:31.145 -->
00:35:33.489Yeah, all right, love it.
00:35:33.489 -->
00:35:42.568No, let's pop over to the next question I had for you, which was around as a genderqueer person.
00:35:42.568 -->
00:35:47.431Do you have tips for our listeners around sexual confidence?
00:35:47.451 -->
00:36:03.177Yeah, Like we kind of discussed before, like I'm really exploring the gender identity that is me.
00:36:03.177 -->
00:36:37.161Again, I feel as though, like through sexual like encounters, there is always a need to have a discussion, yeah, like there's always a need to be like open and honest about where maybe you feel like the most vulnerable and our nose for you and what are like yeses, like what has to happen in order for this to be like a pleasurable experience.
00:36:37.161 -->
00:36:48.041And if someone isn't willing to kind of entertain that discussion, then they're honestly not worth your time.
00:36:48.041 -->
00:37:17.644Like there is not a situation that I feel like I would put myself in, where Because I have in the past put myself in situations that I felt like very violated and kind of less than human yeah, I just strongly recommend to like avoid that at all costs, because it is not going to do any good.
00:37:18.407 -->
00:37:21.110Yeah, yeah, makes sense.
00:37:21.784 -->
00:37:21.965Yeah.
00:37:24.346 -->
00:37:32.038How about any tips for gender confidence, like expressing your gender queerness?
00:37:32.684 -->
00:37:37.010Oh my God, just fuck shit up, Just go out there and try it.
00:37:37.010 -->
00:37:44.279You know, like maybe at first, because at first I will wholeheartedly admit like I looked a mess.
00:37:44.279 -->
00:37:50.449I was very like I'm a 13 year old girl, wearing all of my favorite things.
00:37:50.748 -->
00:38:24.199I have all the jewelry on and I am, I'm doing it, you know like maybe I'm a little bit more refined now, probably not a whole lot, but I'm really enjoying like the exploration of like the nail polish, the skirts, and and then doing that on social media kind of is a little more, I would say, therapeutic than kind of anything really.
00:38:24.199 -->
00:38:51.949I mean truly like you're exposing yourself to whomever is on social media, and I think for me, taking it to the next level would probably be incorporating like more women's wear and or what is considered like traditional women's wear, I mean like skirts and clothing and I feel like everything like that.
00:38:51.949 -->
00:39:05.081I want to include more of that into like my everyday wear, where it's not like so fetishy, it's not like the two inch skirts that is barely covering a butchie kind of thing.
00:39:05.081 -->
00:39:12.648But there is now, like this is actual, like adult clothing that I am like living, yeah.
00:39:12.648 -->
00:39:22.516And then I really want to learn how to do like makeup and kind of just see where that goes.
00:39:22.615 -->
00:39:41.632And yeah, I mean, like I said, fuck it up, like it really doesn't matter, like if it, if you don't have a makeup on or a coat of clothing and it brings you joy when you look in the mirror, then do that for you.
00:39:41.632 -->
00:39:45.157Yeah, like absolutely fucking this.
00:39:45.157 -->
00:39:47.058You get one life, why not?
00:39:47.058 -->
00:39:53.628Yes, be queer, just fuck yeah.
00:39:53.628 -->
00:39:58.652And if anybody says anything, tell me and I will come fuck shit up to it.
00:39:58.693 -->
00:40:06.020You'll have a new bodyguard option here.
00:40:06.020 -->
00:40:11.067Yeah, I love it.
00:40:11.067 -->
00:40:26.463I mean, I wholeheartedly agree that I've gone through a similar process of like figuring out what my style is to, and it's totally evolving and it's really just all about experimenting, trying things.
00:40:26.463 -->
00:40:27.664If you're comfortable in it, fantastic.
00:40:27.664 -->
00:40:35.913Other times you wear something and you're not comfortable in it and like cool, don't wear it again, you're done with it yeah, yeah, yeah, we tried it Next.
00:40:36.253 -->
00:40:38.034Yeah, wasn't for, wasn't for you.
00:40:38.034 -->
00:40:40.817Yeah, someone else can have it.
00:40:40.817 -->
00:40:46.226Donate it, okay.
00:40:46.226 -->
00:40:49.710Last question for you, a question from the audience.
00:40:49.710 -->
00:40:55.558David asks how is maintaining a relationship different when you work in porn?
00:41:01.947 -->
00:41:08.313Maintaining a relationship will always, in my opinion, require an immense amount of work.
00:41:08.313 -->
00:41:29.273Regardless of if you're doing sex work or if you are in a monotone or misrelationship that you are only doing that, I would say that there's a lot of communication that has to happen in terms of any like scheduling.
00:41:29.273 -->
00:41:32.395And well, let me back up.
00:41:32.395 -->
00:42:10.628Okay, so like for my relationship, yeah, it's kind of evolved in terms of sex work from like a monogamous relationship and then now it is very much so like a non monogamous, open relationship where we sleep with other people and kind of engage in like adult activities outside of the relationship but then come back together and also engage in adult activities together.
00:42:10.628 -->
00:42:29.308But it definitely requires like an immense amount of communication, like open, honest communication, like what is actually like the feeling you're feeling, and in order to do that you have to be like open, honest and vulnerable.
00:42:29.308 -->
00:43:00.971And like when I say honest, I mean honest with yourself, like how are you truly feeling about like your partner sleeping with somebody or you sleeping with this other person, and just kind of like constantly checking in with whomever your primary partner or partners are in order to because if they're not sex workers, I mean they're kind of living vicariously through you.
00:43:00.971 -->
00:43:09.659But, like, as a sex worker, you're always kind of like taking on a lot more, I feel.
00:43:11.188 -->
00:43:17.134Yeah, in order to separate, like how can I say this?
00:43:17.134 -->
00:43:32.831In order to separate work from authentic personal sex, I guess, yeah, it's definitely a challenge that you have to mentally prepare yourself for.
00:43:32.831 -->
00:43:52.815But then your partner or partners engaging in casual sex yeah, could just see all of your interactions as this fun happening that is constantly going on.
00:43:52.815 -->
00:44:16.894Yeah, where for me, a lot of it is like oh, this is work, right, no, yeah, so that's kind of like been one of the main challenges in our relationship in terms of like communicating, like, oh, this is work, not like I'm not going just for a fuck-best.
00:44:16.894 -->
00:44:21.753Yeah, I mean, I enjoy sex, but I also recognize that this is work.
00:44:21.753 -->
00:44:25.971Yes, yeah, I don't know if that makes sense or just rambling.
00:44:26.445 -->
00:44:27.590No, it absolutely does.
00:44:27.590 -->
00:44:29.009It really is about.
00:44:29.009 -->
00:44:43.070I think it sounds like it boils down to having boundaries with what you want, your yeses and your noes, your partner or partners, yeses and noes and communicating, just communicate, communicate, communicate.
00:44:43.070 -->
00:44:46.166And it has to be honest, both with yourself and with the other person.
00:44:46.367 -->
00:44:50.806Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it really.
00:44:50.806 -->
00:45:06.414I mean, and we've been to like couples counseling for years and years and years and years, not for any like particular reason, just kind of like checking in, which has been hugely substantial, and I'm sure we have like way more work to do.
00:45:09.005 -->
00:45:11.491There's always a more you can do, yeah.
00:45:11.952 -->
00:45:16.835Really, you never really expect there to be an issue until just something happens.
00:45:16.835 -->
00:45:19.248Yeah, and you're like, oh okay, maybe we should talk about that.
00:45:19.690 -->
00:45:22.626Yeah, yeah, fantastic.
00:45:22.626 -->
00:45:33.295Yeah, I love that you're also an advocate of seeking out mental health resources and so just trying to do it on your own, because I am not qualified.
00:45:33.295 -->
00:45:37.134None of us are.
00:45:37.134 -->
00:45:40.829None of us are like come into this world like cool, got this, got it.
00:45:41.070 -->
00:45:44.054Yeah, yeah, I can handle it Right.
00:45:44.054 -->
00:45:45.195Tell yourself that.
00:45:46.436 -->
00:45:46.677Yeah.
00:45:47.018 -->
00:45:47.599There you go.
00:45:48.239 -->
00:46:01.253No, we are meant to be communal beings that Totally Interdependent right but rely on others and also have our own independence.
00:46:01.253 -->
00:46:03.257Oh yeah, 100%.
00:46:05.248 -->
00:46:26.047I also think that it helps just having like that unbiased, like kind of helpful angel or whatever you want to call them, like being, yeah, just kind of guiding you through First of like your best friend who's really advocating for you, kind of yeah, more than anything else.
00:46:26.690 -->
00:46:28.594Yeah, yeah, amazing.
00:46:28.594 -->
00:46:31.110I love it.
00:46:31.110 -->
00:46:34.931No, I have a tendency to like raffle.
00:46:34.931 -->
00:46:37.355So, oh, me too.
00:46:37.355 -->
00:46:42.226Go listen to one of my solo episodes and see what you think You'll be like.
00:46:42.226 -->
00:46:44.715How did you fill up 45 minutes of talking?
00:46:44.715 -->
00:46:46.213You didn't even touch on the topic.
00:46:46.213 -->
00:46:49.172I do get around to the topic generally.
00:46:49.172 -->
00:46:53.514I'm sure anyone listening right now, too, is like having their own opinions about us.
00:46:53.514 -->
00:46:57.132But I am fine.
00:46:57.132 -->
00:47:03.038That's the whole point of this podcast is just like enjoy and share helpful information.
00:47:03.038 -->
00:47:08.175So thank you so much for being on the episode today.
00:47:08.175 -->
00:47:13.393Really appreciate all of your insight, your authenticity, your vulnerability with us.
00:47:13.393 -->
00:47:14.938Thank you so much.
00:47:15.425 -->
00:47:16.329Thank you for having me.
00:47:16.329 -->
00:47:18.311This has been a treasure.
00:47:18.311 -->
00:47:18.771Thank you.
00:47:19.605 -->
00:47:20.869You're welcome.
00:47:20.869 -->
00:47:25.195Before we head out, you know, I will absolutely link everything down in the show notes.
00:47:25.195 -->
00:47:31.208Is there anything that you want to share with everyone, just to make sure that they're aware of where they can find you?
00:47:33.904 -->
00:47:39.927If you go to my link tree, link tree dot com backslash more than Morgxn take you'll find all of my links.
00:47:39.927 -->
00:47:50.532That's pretty much the easiest way to just kind of like one stop shop whatever you want to do, whatever you want to see, and that's where you're going to go.
00:47:50.532 -->
00:47:56.730Yeah, but if you find me on Instagram, it's also there.
00:47:56.730 -->
00:48:01.291It's pretty easy to find me, as long as you spell my name, right.
00:48:02.313 -->
00:48:02.514Thick.
00:48:06.773 -->
00:48:07.655That wrist snap.
00:48:10.532 -->
00:48:11.594All right, perfect.
00:48:11.594 -->
00:48:20.936Well, everyone will have all of that linked down in the show notes for you so you can go just enjoy all of Morgxn's amazing art.
00:48:20.936 -->
00:48:25.416It really think of what you do all sex work as art.
00:48:25.416 -->
00:48:29.315So thank you for doing the work that you do in the world.
00:48:29.315 -->
00:48:30.969We need it, thank you.
00:48:31.744 -->
00:48:32.728That really means a lot.
00:48:32.728 -->
00:48:35.170I appreciate that.
00:48:36.085 -->
00:48:38.231Of course, all right.
00:48:38.231 -->
00:48:42.779Well, my friends, I will see you next Tuesday.
00:48:42.779 -->
00:48:44.670Bye, bye.
