Life’s Final Lessons with Kelly Hall: Living with Intention

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Welcome back to the Primal Journey Podcast.
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I'm your host and primal health coach, Will Winston, and the Primal Journey we know is all about the three M's macronutrients, movement, and mindset.
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And today I'm really excited about the topic.
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We're going to be talking about living intentionally with awareness that our time here is short.
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This is part of the mindset portion of my coaching I do with my clients, where we talk about the Latin phrase memento mori, which means remember you must die.
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This has been a guiding force in my own life.
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The Stoics use these words not to provoke fear, but to create urgency.
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A reminder that life is brief, brief, that every day matters, and that our choices either move us closer to wellness or towards premature death.
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That phrase lit a fire under me to become the best version of myself, not just for me, but for my family and for the generations coming after me.
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And that's exactly why I'm so honored to bring today's guest in today.
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And so I'd like to welcome Kelly Hall to the Primal Journey Podcast.
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Kelly, welcome.
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Thank you, Will.
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I'm so glad to have you here.
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You're a very uh positive spirit every morning at Burn Boot Camp at 510 when I'm rolling in there with my wife.
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Uh such good energy.
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You were born in Alexandria, and I found out that you were the youngest of a lively Italian-Irish Catholic family.
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Yes.
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Tell me more about that.
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Um I'm my father was Irish, my mother was Italian, and I was n born nine years after my brother and sister, who were nine months apart.
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Wow.
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So I was the baby, and um, it was a very colorful household.
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That's all I'm gonna say.
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Well, from there you went to Virginia Tech and studied marketing communications and also met your husband.
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And how long have you all been married now?
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Uh thirty-eight years.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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What's what's the secret?
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Uh we're we're opposites.
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Okay.
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Um I win everything.
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Um I'm always right.
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Um we we balance one another out.
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I think that's a good thing.
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Opposites definitely attract.
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I found I found that in my life with my wife.
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She and I are two opposite people.
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Uh I say I say that because she's very much smarter than I am.
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She's very patient.
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And uh she has a very high standard.
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And she always times that I thought we weren't alike was when she was, you know, questioning some of the choices I was making regarding my habits, and it caused a lot of resentment and frustration.
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But once I woke up, I realized that it was just from a place of love.
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Yes.
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And how blessed am I to have someone with such different beliefs than I did, because if we had the same beliefs, I think I might have really spiraled out of control.
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Yeah.
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I think Mike and I really balance one another.
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He's he's a little quieter, and we both share an incredible work ethic.
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Um so you we do share some, you know, foundational things, but I'm type A.
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Um I like to talk a lot, I'm more social, and we just have a really good balance.
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And speaking of your work ethic and the fact that you like to talk a lot, you told me you spent 15 years as a teacher assistant at a Catholic school here in town.
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I did and I loved it.
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Um it was a wonderful career.
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Um I didn't leave that field because I didn't like it.
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I had always wanted had a dream of becoming a nurse, and after going through some life experiences, I decided to go back to nursing school when my kids were older.
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So I now have a second wonderful career that I'm very passionate about.
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So give me a little more detail on those life experiences that brought about this change.
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So um in 1990 one, my father um was diagnosed with kidney disease.
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And he had a very long journey before he passed away, a painful journey.
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I didn't know anything about what he was experiencing physically.
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And um that was very frustrating to me.
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And I spent a lot of time in the hospital, so I felt a little bit helpless.
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Um and then ten years later, my mother was diagnosed um with cancer and had an experience of hospice coming into her life and helping my family with that journey, and it was very impactful for me and my siblings, and I decided to become a hospice nurse, and that's what I've done ever since then, and I love it.
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I find it's fascinating what you're saying your motivation was to go down this path because I experienced that a couple years ago.
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My sister, uh her mother-in-law passed away suddenly later in life.
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She lived a long, healthy 80 some years.
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But she passed away uh due to cancer, and after they went through that process, my I remember my sister telling me that she wanted to find a way to help that industry and that process, how to make it better for families.
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She saw that there was a void there.
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So it seems like you had that experience to do that.
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And here you are now.
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Yeah.
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My dad, we we didn't know what death and dying looked like, what it how it would impact us and and our family, and we didn't know what was actually physically happening to him at that time.
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We didn't know how to help him, what to do or not to do.
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And then when my mother had that same experience, we had a lot of guidance from outside sources, and it was really impactful on all of us.
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So that's what drove you to get your your master's in nursing education.
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So I became a a nurse first, and um, and then I worked as a home hospice nurse for five years, and after that I loved it so much.
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I said I'm gonna pursue further education, um, got my master's in nursing education, and now have the benefit of of teaching other nurses that are coming into hospice about how to be the best hospice nurse you can be.
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That's what I find most powerful about your story is you've taken these hard lessons and really turned them into opportunities for growth, right?
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Absolutely.
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These are all challenges that are in front of us, but you were able to take something negative, flip it.
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It's now an opportunity, and you knew where you were short, and that was in knowledge.
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And so you took the time to go through the educational process to educate yourself, not only for your own family, but you've shared that knowledge and that passion with complete strangers who are meeting end of life, sometimes very lonely, oh, definitely.
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Very depressed, very fearful.
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Yes.
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And uh that's what I want to really dive into today because the death piece is something that when I look at my transformation and my journey that started three and a half years ago, um the death perspective is what made me feel this urgency to take a lot of action.
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And when I'm was reminded of my death every day and just accepted the fact that it's coming and it's impending and that there's nothing I can do about it, I realized that that created a ton of power for myself in this moment to really attack things that I want to do so that so that when this does come, that there's not much regret.
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Because I can just tell you right now, that was causing me a lot of anxiety, just thinking about regrets at the end of life.
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Yeah, that's one of the biggest things I see.
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Um, you know, a lot of times people will say, What what is the what do you see the most?
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And of course, fear.
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Um, but fear manifests itself in a lot of different ways.
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And it can be fear of what you haven't done, what you have done, um, and correcting that and having a very short amount of time, not planning but regret is one of the biggest things.
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I didn't do this, I wanted to do this, I should have done this.
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And you know, face it, when we we're all gonna die, and when we do, many times um there's not a lot of time to plan and to think.
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And so thinking about it and and being intentional about the way you live your life um the best you can has a really big impact, I think, on how your death experience is.
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All these choices we make daily at some point are gonna show up and we're gonna have to deal with those with those choices.
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So that's why I choose to spend a lot of time with the man sitting next to you, Cameron Tricky.
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Cameron, welcome to the Prometheurney Podcast, man.
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Good to have you back.
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Glad to be here.
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Well, and I gotta say, you're looking decidedly bronzed at the moment.
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I'm telling you, man.
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Uh memento more, take every vacation possible with your family right now while you can.
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Absolutely.
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That's my goal.
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Uh it's good to have you back.
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I'm glad you got to meet Kelly.
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When Kelly and I decided to get together and talk about uh our impending death and how we need to take lots of action and what we can learn from other people.
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Uh, Cameron, I knew you'd be a great mix in in this conversation because when we met three years ago, that was something that we spoke a lot about, um, the stoic side of death and the importance of acknowledging it and taking action.
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And Kelly, your daughter's in Greece right now as a as an architect.
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So my daughter is in doc getting her doctorate in Greek archaeology at UNC Chapel Hill.
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Very good.
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And she spends every summer in Greece.
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And so when I told her about Will and the momentum or she got very excited and sent me a bunch of literature that I printed out, it's in my bag.
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Because this is a big Greek, you know, this is this is a lot of their beliefs, and you know, they're over there searching for artifacts, and a lot of the things that they find are relative to this.
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So um very interesting.
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I'd love to hear your perspective on all that.
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No, it is, I mean, I suppose a little backstory um just to give things context.
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But yeah, when Will and I met um at a party, and then um COVID kind of hit, so we went our separate ways um from just and then just by uh w for whatever reason we ended up doing the same following similar paths, um, moved to uh more of a carnivore-based diet and a whole foods-based diet, getting healthy.
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Now I had started mine, and then my father got sick um with cancer.
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He'd had his bladder bladder removed beforehand, um and then seemed to be on the mend and was fine, uh, but um was living a normal life, and then um shortly after I had made this choice to kind of start taking care of myself, things weren't working in my life the way I wanted to, um, then he actually got quite sick, uh, and that was kind of an end of days type thing.
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And so um it for me kind of brought in this idea of of Stoicism, and and I've also followed, I mean it's it's the parallels between Stoicism and Buddhism, um, very similar in their in their philosophies, and they have the differences too.
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Um, so yeah, so a large part of that kind of it was after he'd passed that then I started to get more into it wasn't because of him, I'd already started the path, and then I kind of wish I'd already done these things and knew this before it had happened, um in what I could have offered.
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And and we had um not a particularly great palliative uh kind of care experience, but in many ways it was better because we were able to we were fortunate enough to be able to take him home, um, and so he was home.
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But you know, my intent in all of this was to make him better.
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Um it it wasn't about end times, and and and because I'd just started this journey on a healthy diet, I believed honestly that we were gonna make him better, and I think he believed it too, and then not necessarily to get into those details, but for whatever reasons, he didn't.
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Um and so it was it was kind of a shock in that sense.
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But my stoicism, at least at the moment, made it very much um easier, perhaps, to deal with the situation.
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I saw uh a family in distress, um, and so I was very resolved in everything that was was happening.
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By and large, I mean the the reason being, at least as I could see it, was that he was a man that had lived a full life, I mean, an incredible life.
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So there were no regrets.
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I mean, he he kind of he wasn't a stoic, but he kind of was a stoic.
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Um you know he didn't epitomize anything, but he lived a certain way that he believed in and he took his life to the max.
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And so for me, that was I was I was inspired.
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That gave you some peace.
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Yeah, and probably some relief for him at the end, too.
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Yeah.
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So tell me, Kelly, what is the biggest regret at the end of life for most people?
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Um unfinished business.
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Like I should have done this, I should have planned better, um I should have been kinder.
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I mean, it ranges from very serious, serious things to the simplest thing.
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Um it can be one thing that this person did in their life and the and and closure, you know, getting closure from that and not having closure.
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Um I had a patient who um admittedly lived an incredibly difficult, rough life.
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He had a rough upbringing.
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Um he wouldn't let anybody on our team into the home except for me, so it was very difficult to provide support to the rest of his family.
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And over a six-month period of time I got to know him better.
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We talked more.
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He he he was he was a very mean person and lived a horrible life.
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And um as his days got closer, he started to talk to me.
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He was not religious in any way.
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Um he started to talk to me a little bit more about his feelings, and he had so many regrets about number one, how he lived his life, he could have done better.
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He was very hard on his body.
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So he was actually in his in my age now.
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He was uh 61 and he was dying, and he felt like a lot of that was induced by his lifestyle, that he he could have lived so much better and so much longer.
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Um so he had regrets about the way he was as a person, the way he treated his body, the way he treated other people, um, and the things that he didn't do that he could have done.
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And so towards the end of his journey, um I could see that he was really struggling.
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He one day said to me, Um I need to know what's gonna happen to me after, after I go.
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And I said, Well, this is not my wheelhouse.
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Maybe I can get somebody in to talk to you, but he wouldn't have my chaplain who was non-denominational and a woman.
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Didn't want a woman.
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I was the only woman he would we would he would trust.
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And so I managed to find a male in that role in my company and brought him out and they developed a relationship that was amazing.
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And he was able to talk about pretty much for the last two months of his life, all of the regrets, the physical toll that he he did to his own body by using drugs and alcohol and the lifestyle that he led and how he treated people, everyone.
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He um he did not hide that at all.
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He was he was not a good person.
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And we were able to, he said, I want closure to this.
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I want to get some kind of peace before I die, make peace with some people around me.
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So we were able to do some small things to make it better for him um before he took his last breath.
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Um we can't we can't fix everything, and that's small amount of peace.
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He was relying on a lot of external forces to help him find peace at the end of life and probably during his life.
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Yes.
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The secret is to go inward and all that guilt and shame that you're feeling, start addressing that now in the present moment versus waiting towards the end of life when you want other people to come around.
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Absolutely.
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Whether it be a priest or a nurse or a doctor to try to make you feel better and be in a better state of peace at the end of the day.
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Absolutely.
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So that for me, going back to the memento mori theme was take action now, just do it right now.
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Because you can't fix it all in that short period of time.
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You you can't you can't live your whole life in that short period of time.
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And when you get to that period of time, most people say they feel incredibly out of control because they can't control those things.
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Yeah.
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And I just I really feel like you're exactly right about, you know, yeah, he could have he could have lived six years longer, but it it was not quality.
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Yeah.
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So if you if you do look at yourself and how you are waking up every day and what you're doing, um are we surviving?
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Are we surviving or are we thriving?
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Yeah.
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And Cameron and I have talked a lot about that.
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You know, you can play this game a lot of different ways.
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You can just survive it and kind of come to a slow, long demise that wraps up all the loved ones around you when they should be out trying to be the best versions of themselves and passing on their legacy.
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But our choices can manifest into a very dependent on others' end of life that drags a lot of people with us.
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Absolutely.
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It would give me a lot of peace right now to know that every choice I'm making has me in a position where at the end of life I'm bringing energy back to my family, right?
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I'm I'm still showing the way forward, you know, later in life.
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And that's the power that we have.
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That's um the divinity that I think that we all have within.
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And how do we access that?
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We start making choices in alignment with the best version of ourselves.
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Absolutely.
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So eat the most premium food available, the most bioavailable food.
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Surround yourself with the most uh optimistic people, people who speak positively.
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Um, take advantage of all these things now to lock this hat, these habits and lifestyles in that will keep us healthy up until the very end.
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And for me, I hope I I kind of think it's gonna be at 100, probably wearing a weighted vest doing laps around my neighborhood in the morning.
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I agree.
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I think that's how I go out.
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Yeah, I mean, everybody's different.
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Everybody's journey is different, and what they how they're their best version of themselves is different.
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Um, for you and me, it's waking up every day at five, five o'clock and going and surrounding ourselves with people who are incredibly positive, incredibly supportive.
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You're much stronger than me.
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He's way stronger than me.
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Um but I think we get the same things out of where we go.
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We do.
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And it's amazing.
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And you know, I I I wish 40 years ago I would have made some of the choices that I'm making now, but living these experiences, I think life experiences and living through other people's life experiences kind of give you that knowledge.
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It's always learning.
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It's like we were saying, always learning.
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That's why we call it the journey.
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It's not it's not the primal destination, you know, it's not one way or the other.
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For Cameron, it's carnivore.
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For me, it's just animal-based.
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Um people do it their own way, you know, and it's a journey.
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And how do you know if you're making the right choices?
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Well, how does your conscious feel?
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You know, how do you feel when you look in the mirror?
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Are you doing everything that you know you should be doing?
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And when you can tell yourself you're doing that, I'm telling you, this sense of peace comes over you and this gratitude sets in.
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And once you've uh once you're able to love yourself because you're in alignment with everything you know you should be doing, then you can start the other business and go help others, right?
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Absolutely.
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And not even the business.
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Then you can just actually take that extra energy that you have and invest it into those in your community, those people working out next to you, the people uh in line with you at a grocery store.
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I mean, there's always that opportunity to just put the smile on your face and bring it.
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But if you don't love yourself, if you're not in alignment and you're making the wrong choices and it's weighing on you, you can never put forth an open version of yourself to want to help others if you can't help yourself.
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So that's why I just preach, I don't preach, but I always talk about just the the ability to self-transcend, to understand the power that we have.
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How do we access it?
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We eat the most nutrient-dense foods on the family, excuse me, uh, on the planet.
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So foods that are loaded with amino acids so that we can build, repair, and restore muscles, food loaded in fat so that we can actually feel full and have energy and have the building blocks for our hormones that are so important.
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All this adds into how we show up every single day.
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And if we're eating things that are processed, that are synthetic, that are inflammatory, we're living in a different state.
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You know, where our nervous systems are no longer in growth mode.
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They're in shelter down, you know, bad times ahead.
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So it impacts the food, it impacts our thoughts and our decisions, and ultimately determines our lifestyle and how we're able to present ourselves into the community.
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A hundred percent.
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Um, I I've just to kind of reiterate what you've both been saying.
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It is very much that internal journey and it's it's that self-reflection, looking inside.
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That that at least for me was was the first steps I took.
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I woke up on January 1st one year and said, you know, I'm gonna start looking at me.
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I mean, that's because you have this society, you have cultural norms, all of these things that we're told to kind of do and how the world's supposed to work.
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And it's this leveling up is the wrong word because we use that.
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That it is it is leveling up, but it's you know, you get into kindergarten, so you can get into first grade to second grade to third grade, and it everything's just continually going up so you can get to the next stage, so you can get the good job, and then you retire, and hopefully you've got enough time when you retire to actually enjoy what you've done, and you've spent all of this time doing what the world has told you to do, and you forget that things like happiness, happiness lies in no one else but yourself.
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Um, and and that's I mean, it's very much I mean it's it's the the tools.
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I mean, gratitude is a tool, it's that daily dose of vitamin G.
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You know, we can we think of all the other vitamins that we've got to take.
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Vitamin G you need vitamin G.
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Yeah, you've got to have your gratitude.
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And and and it's a physic, it's a physical thing.
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I mean, I've you know, I'm always working on it, and sometimes I've got it and sometimes I don't.
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I'm always trying to be grateful.
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Those first thoughts when I wake up in the morning uh to go, yes, you know, thank you, uh, and give that thanks just for a new day.
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And every now and again when I do it, I just I'm I just light up.
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I mean, I feel it.
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And then most days I don't feel it.
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I say it, I go through the things, but you know, for whatever reasons, I'm not necessarily feeling it.
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And it is a journey and everybody's is different, but yeah, I want to give those hints to people, and and that's usually where a lot of this comes from, is is you don't have to be kind of, you don't have to be uh you can follow the diet that you want that works for you, but it's more that now that we've done it, now that we feel the way we do, you want to shout it from the mountaintops.
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It's like guys, you don't understand it's it's not kind of it's there's no judgment.
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It's not, hey, you're doing it wrong and we're doing it right.
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It's more a I've broken from the norm and now I feel absolutely incredible.
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I just want you to feel this too, because you don't know until you've done it.
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You don't know until you've seen it.
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Um Yeah.
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I think we're always learning.
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I think that's part of our journey.
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We're always learning, we want to be learning more, but I think that's huge that we always want to be sharing that with other people.
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And I, you know, I I feel like that really is important.
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I talk to a lot of people at Byrne that I don't really know, and I talk to Will one day, and it that's how you start having conversations with other people.
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You mentioned your age earlier at 61, and I don't have this on YouTube, so there's no video feed, but I just see a very beautiful, energetic, strong person in front of me.
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Hey man.
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I really do.
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And I know that there's other women out there who were just like you before they got started who had those feelings of doubt and they didn't have the self-belief.
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Tell me your journey to Burn Boot Camp and your consistency of being there most mornings at 5:15 in the morning.
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Um, so I've done a lot of different things.
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I did sports in high school, um, and then I ran my first marathon in 2006, and it about killed me.
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Um took a 10-year break and kind of fell into this hamster wheel.
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I'm raising my children, I'm working, and I'm just doing all these things I need to do, and I wasn't really making any time for myself.
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And my daughter started swimming year-round, and she had to go swim at 4 30 in the morning.
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So I was like, what am I gonna do with myself?
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She couldn't drive, so I joined Ampham.
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And during that couple year period of time, I went every day and I was surrounded by another group of people who had to get up that early, and I worked out, and I realized when that period ended, and I gave her the keys to drive herself, and I stopped doing that.
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I was like, something's not right, something is missing.
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I'm not taking care of me anymore.
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And was that a recurring theme?
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Like, was that just in your head all the time?
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Yes, it it it upset me.
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How long did you live with it like that?
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A couple years, and then we went into starting to watch my parents go, and that period was very difficult.
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And what I have found out about myself is that I don't do all those things simply for um the physical part of it.
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Um I don't know if that goes against what I should be saying, but I do it a lot for my mental health.
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I feel so good after I go and I exercise.
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I'm not the fastest, I'm not first, I'm not winning.
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It's like I said, I'm not trying to necessarily be the best, I'm trying to be my best.
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Exactly.
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And that makes me feel amazing.
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And I also coach marathon training team for sports backers, and I've done that for about five years.
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So every Sunday um I go down and I am with people.
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I'm a back-of-the-pack coach, but I am with people who are running their first marathon.
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They're not, they don't know what they're doing, they're scared, they don't know anything about long distance running, and to be able to share that with somebody else is why I get up every Sunday morning and go do it.
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It's fun.
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So everybody, like I said, everybody's why is different, but I can't um I feel so lucky that I can get up, I can walk, I have my mobility, I do see how that affects the end of your life and the end of your life journey, being mobile, you know, being able to walk and do all those things.
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Um, I see the impact that it that it has had on people my age who can't do it.
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So it's amazing to be able to to find your boot camp.
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I looked at a girlfriend's page for two years.
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She was doing boot camp.
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I was like, I could never do that.
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That's ridiculous.
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It looks fun, but I could never do it.
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And and I finally convinced a friend to go, um, I think it was New Year's Day a couple years ago, and I walked in there and I laid on the ground afterwards and didn't think I could go back.
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And I go almost every day.
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And I love the way it makes me feel, and I like the way the people there treat one another and how we encourage one another.
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And there are people that are not as social per se, but there's always somebody there to kind of pull them in, and everybody's got a story, you know?
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Everybody has a story and something to offer.
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So yeah, well, you talk about everybody, everybody's finding their why.
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And I want you to listen to this because Cameron and I often talked about Jim Rohn when we were going through our transformation of eating right.
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And um, when I heard this, this really changed it for me.
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Work on your list of whys.
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One of the big thrusts for success is to come up with a strong enough why.
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In leadership training, here's what we learn: if the why is powerful, the how is easy.
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But if the why isn't strong, if your goals aren't powerful, if the vision isn't clear, the old prophet said, Without a vision we die, without a vision we perish, without a dream or nothing, I'm asking you to make a list of what be what you want.
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What kind of health do you want?
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What kind of skills do you want?
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What kind of power would you like to have?
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What kind of influence would you like to have?
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I'm asking you to go home and work on the walk.
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That's one of the reasons why we're here today.
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Is getting that message every day from Jim.
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Oh my gosh.
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So when the way I what immediately comes to mind for me is my daughter Anna, uh, when I think about my why, and what gives me peace is knowing that if I were to die today or tomorrow, she will have witnessed for the last three years a guy who showed up enthusiastic and interjected or you know, uh energized and uh loved on his wife, worked hard in his business, spent time with his family, and then when I'm there dying, I would be able to think and find comfort that because I made that such an experience for her, she's going to only seek that out and want to experience that later in life.
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And when you think about that, that is a ton of power in the present moment.
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Every single choice I make, every action, every face I make, my children are learning and modeling behavior and their expectations for later in life are being set.
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And that's a huge uh opportunity for us to really just be the best versions of ourselves.
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So that gives me so much peace.
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That gives me no doubt when I go to cook that steak every day or you know, fry that ground beef.
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Um when I take time and put extra intention into making sure I've got all the food at home that I need, that um, you know, everything is lined up, it's because my why is powerful.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I can't think of anything stronger than that for me.
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Yeah.
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Um what about you, Cameron?
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I mean, I I've I've I've got two daughters, and I mean it's it's kind of obvious to me that that you you look at the children as as inspiration to the why.
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Um so I mean that that certainly motivates me, uh, especially it comes with a with a whole lot of uh confusion uh as to where the world's going.
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So yeah, it it was easier when we could say, okay, this is what we're preparing them for.
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Um and now with the world, I mean, I and to your point, I mean I think it it makes it that much more important with with such an ambiguous future ahead of us that being the best vertical.
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Control the controllables.
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Exactly.
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You're gonna find so much peace in that for real, everybody.
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Just control the controllables.
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Yeah.
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That uh brings me a lot of peace, but not just it and it's not about the peace, but it helps me realize the power.
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The power is in the energy that you put out into the universe.
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And you're you're you're in complete control of that.
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:19.839
Uh Kelly, tell me a little bit more uh when you think about um what you witness every day.
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What do you wish people understood earlier in life about self-care?
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Uh so I thought a lot about this one um after we've talked a couple times, and I know a lot of people don't take good care of their body.
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Um because they can't.
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They don't have the resources.
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That's a big thing.
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They don't have the time, they don't have the support.
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Um, and some of them just don't want to.
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They don't feel like these are not their these are not their things that that are up high on their bucket list to do in their life.
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So I can't say taking incredible care of your body is gonna uh make your dying experience better because we don't know it it it's going to give you longer life, but in all cases it doesn't if you are faced with some kind of horrible diagnosis of a glioblastoma when you're a 60-year-old man.
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No one knows when their time is.
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That's the out of control part.
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We all know we'll have a time, and so this person may be taking great care of their body and still be faced with um a horrible disease that no one understands the why behind that.
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But I think the living each day to your very, very best is that's that piece.
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It's um it's not so much focusing on the time and the amount of time, it's how you're living and all of those examples you're setting for your daughter.
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And I I am with a lot of people I'm uh on a daily basis that are at the end of their life, and I see how it does impact other people.
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The way you care for yourself, the way you care for yourself affects how you care about other people, and it's a whole experience.
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Um so I think you can choose not to take good care of yourself and you're cheating yourself.
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You're cheating yourself because we are only here for a short amount of time.
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Get off the wheel, like we were talking about, and be your best you.
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Speaking of getting off the wheel.
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Are we done?
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Um, no, no, no, no, no.
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No, that's not what I mean by that.
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Um let me see if.
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Yeah, here we go.
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Check this one out.
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If you help enough people get what they want, you can have everything you want.
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If you help enough people get what they want, you can have everything you want.
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Now, make these notes.
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You cannot change the seasons.
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So here's the next phrase, but you can change yourself.
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To climb the ladder of success as high as you wish to climb, here's the key.
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Work harder on yourself than you do on your job.
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Work harder on yourself than you do on your job.
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He said if you work hard on your job, you can make a living, which is fine.
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But if you work hard on yourself, you could make a fortune.
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Pretty self-explanatory there.
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And that's why I try to be a burn boot camp five days a week.
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And then every time I go to eat food, I just think about this.
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You know, the more self-care I put into myself, the more attention to the details that I put into myself, uh, the more that I'm gonna be presented with in this life.
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And I'm telling y'all that um when you change, when you look at everything and you develop the consistency over a long period of time, these things will start to become uh normal for you.
00:35:56.719 --> 00:36:10.079
You know, and you'll find that it's much easier to have these relationships with people, you're much more open to it, and you're you you feel more ability to handle taking on more, you know, which will inevitably help you, you know, make more.
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That's what's important to you.
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And if it's not a financial thing, it's literally changing people's lives in the community, bringing peace to others, right?
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.880
And you were saying about your daughter and how you want her to look at you.
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Um my kids are older.
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My son is 33, my daughter's thirty, and um at the holidays, I I haven't told them this yet, but I found out last week I have to work Christmas Eve and Christmas this year.
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So um that's gonna be a tough conversation, and you know, they'll they'll probably grumble a little bit and we'll have our holiday after.
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But for me, what a gift for me to be able to go and take care of people that need it the most um when they don't have anybody.
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You know, and so um instead of looking at it in a negative way, my daughter is I'm gonna I'm gonna rally her to come in and do cookies and decorate cookies, do things with uh there is a way to turn a negative into a positive.
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Um it's how you look at things.
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And there's gonna be plenty of negatives too.
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And the thing is, um, these negatives can take us off path uh if we let them.
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Yes.
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So I call them flare-ups.
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Uh I always talk about you know trying to make uh my wife um happy with her decision to marry me, make that the number one goal, right?
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:34.159
I do, I think about that all the time.
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.760
But I I'm not I'm not on this mic as if I'm someone perfect.
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What I'm telling you is I'm a very aware person.
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I still make mistakes, I still get negative and then verbalize it, or I show a pretty bad side of myself.
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Uh but the key is how you recover in that situation.
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Um, so I do have flare-ups where I, you know, make my wife upset and we're arguing.
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:59.119
Of course, everybody deals with that in a relationship, but it's how we recover.
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.119
You know, we can choose how we recover too.
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.280
We can either react or we can respond.
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:07.760
And so the idea is to react less uh and respond more.
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.480
It's that point of choice that you said as well.
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:17.679
Uh it's I forget who I've who who I've heard say it's some motivational gentleman, but um yeah, it there's always a win.
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.079
No matter what the situation is, there is always a win.
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:21.920
You just have to choose to see it.
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:22.559
Yes.
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:23.440
Um and so it does.
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:23.920
It always comes.
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.519
And that I mean that ties in with controlling controllables and all of those things.
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.159
It's just yeah, it's the choices that that we make.
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.079
Um and they have to be conscious decisions.
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:35.760
And I think that's that's the problem with with with the wheel.
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.840
We forget that we have the choice.
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:41.920
We're making choices for other people because we think that's what we're supposed to do.
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:44.079
And it's not, it's always you.
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:46.719
How long ago was it that you joined Burn Boot Camp?
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.559
This New Year's Day will be two years.
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:51.599
Two years, wow.
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:53.679
So I think we joined about the same time.
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.079
I'm I'm about two years in as well.
00:38:56.559 --> 00:39:01.360
How would you describe the person you are now versus pre-burn?
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:11.119
You know, once once you realize a couple years in that you're a a person that consistently shows up for themselves and others, how is your outlook on life now?
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:12.559
It's amazing.
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.639
I um Do you feel more powerful?
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:15.199
I do.
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:24.880
I I I'm not that much stronger, but I um I can lift much more than I could when I came in and do things that I never thought that I would be able to do.
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:37.519
Um and I'm not sure that you know, I do I'm very um intrigued and I love watching everyone there because so many people can do so many things there.
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.960
It's a it's amazing how strong everyone is.
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:46.159
But but I'm more intrigued by the community there than I am anything else.
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:56.079
Just the kindness and um the way it makes me feel when I do uh when I do the littlest thing, I plank today for four minutes.
00:39:56.719 --> 00:40:03.119
And you know, I went to work two weeks ago and told them, hey guys, I planked for three and a half minutes.
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:04.400
They didn't believe me.
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:06.159
They were like, no, you didn't.
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:10.320
And uh and and so that made me today, I said, I'm gonna do it longer.
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:14.079
But it it makes me feel really good to be there.
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.119
It makes me feel unstoppable.
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.559
Like I'm just not gonna stop going unless they close that place down and I don't know what I'll do.
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:24.000
They do an amazing job.
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:27.280
Uh, you know, Mike Wolf owns the gym, he's been on the podcast before.
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.639
I had him on um early on when I got this thing going.
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:36.960
But to your point, you know, you know your time and how long you're holding that plank and how much longer you're doing it than the week before.
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:41.199
Mike always says that, you know, counting reps is self-love.
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:48.159
I've heard him say that before because you have to set a mark to beat the next time.
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:54.079
And so every time he teaches a camp, he's always talking about the importance of counting those numbers.
00:40:54.320 --> 00:41:04.079
And we have to accept where we are at this moment and just just work to make it one better the following week, but do that over fifty-two weeks out of the year.
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:11.199
And those are the types of results that you'll see is that daily consistency of just one more can finally show up.
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:18.639
So but to speak to that too, it's also it shows the power of um how you how you can impact someone else.
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:24.960
I'm gonna work that much harder when somebody's right there and encouraging me all the time.
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.440
Pushing me a little, no they know when I'm not pushing myself as hard as I need to.
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:33.519
I love the high fives in between moves when we shift in between stations.
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:34.880
I mean, it's just important.
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:42.960
I mean, I probably do twenty to twenty-five high fives five days a week in the morning.
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:43.679
Can you imagine that?
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.239
Can you imagine the type of energy you're gonna bring to the day with that many highs?
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:52.559
I I haven't I think you need to come towards the this is the journey portion, though.
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:53.599
This is the this is a very common.
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:55.599
And everybody's journey is different.
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:59.199
And like for me, that's a very important part of my journey.
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:07.840
It's yeah, I for for my personal journey, uh, the reason I don't do things like burn boot camp is I I don't want some kid yelling at me to just one more.
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.679
I'm like, I I will do just one more.
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.079
Um so I'm very self-motivating in that sense.
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:18.719
So I'm while you guys are at Burn Boot Camp, I'm in in a park in the dark with a 60-pound sandbag on my shoulders.
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:22.400
So I'm I'm suffering my in my own way and loving that portion.
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:29.760
But but there is an area where I I want I there's no disagreement in in doing the boom boot camp, but it's the community aspect.
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:35.119
That's the one area that I think is is uh the importance cannot be under sung.
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:38.480
And I relate, well, we do, I've said it well a bunch of times.
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:53.840
Um, yeah, I relate it kind of AA, but you know, it's not we're not alcoholics, so yeah, there are people that have genuine issues, and so so it's not to trivialize it in that sense in any way, but it is, you know, we have a step program.
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:56.239
You you've got to follow these steps.
00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:08.159
Um and it's this realization that on this journey you are gonna falter and you're gonna make mistakes, and that's where the community piece, you need it, you need a sponsor, you you need someone there that's gonna help you.
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:09.039
Accountability.
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:18.880
Yes, and so and and and so for me at the moment it it is actually much easier for me to slip into bad habits again because I don't have something like Burn Boot Camp.
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:20.639
I don't have those people all around me.
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:24.480
Um and I'm trying to rally people to kind of come and and do what I do as well.
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:25.679
But that's wonderful.
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:33.440
You're sharing that to other people, and that would be something my husband, I have tried to get him to come to Vern.
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.320
He's like, I just don't know if that's for me.
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:40.719
But what you're doing is way more what he would get something out of.
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:45.440
So, you know, that's how talking to other people, everybody's journey looks different.
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:51.440
Yes, and you know, I want people to come on on on my walks, but I don't want you anywhere near me on my walks because I I like the solitude.
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:56.320
I like listening to the to the screech owl every morning that's you know, hunting and stuff like that.
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:01.280
And and then there's some strange wrestling in the woods, and I don't know what that is, but You walk a little bit faster.
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:29.119
Well, I think that's why I got into the health coaching side of this was because I wanted to uh give this knowledge to people as someone who's been on the other side of not being in alignment to someone who I believe really lives in alignment with the person that I want to be and teach this knowledge to people and teach um you know how nutrition, movement, and the mindset that we keep every day has a direct impact on our health, physical and mental.
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:44.159
So for getting that certification, and the reason I chose the primal health institute was because when I was going through the process of uh getting off of alcohol and eating a whole foods diet consistently, it was a very primal process.
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:49.519
And primal is synonymous with essential, only focusing on things that are essential.
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:56.239
So when you when you clean everything up like that, that's why primal just stood out to me.
00:44:56.400 --> 00:45:00.639
Um there's other brands out there that use it, but it's really just a movement.
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.920
I mean, the primal journey is just about a movement, and to your point, it's about community.
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:23.920
And so now that we had the coaching business set up, um, we just put it out there as an offer to anyone who needs that person to um bring about a higher level of awareness to them so that they can do the research and grow and ultimately achieve high-level wellness.
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:36.480
You know, our job as coaches is just to make you aware of choices you can make throughout the day that given a longer period of time are really going to show up down the road for you as the results that you're looking for.
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.719
And um it's a it's a really fun, intensive process, and I love it.
00:45:40.880 --> 00:46:03.199
I mean, just when you see people reach weights that they haven't seen since high school or college at this point in our lives, and just how their skin changes, how their energy changes, you know, you just no purchase order I've ever gotten in my regular job has ever made me feel as good as someone who gets off that invite and goes, Oh my god, I can't believe this.
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:06.719
And we're like, Yes, it really is giving back.
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:08.480
You know, it feels so good.
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:12.559
So I'd do it for free if I could, but I wouldn't have any time for my family.
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:18.719
And I also want people that are vested in wanting to change their lives and the lives of their families.
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:25.039
So um if people ever want to learn more about uh my program, they always know how to reach me.
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:36.480
And I love explaining to them that it is a 12-week process of really just getting back to the basics on nutrition and um how we move, how often we move, and the way we talk to ourselves.
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:37.199
Right, you know.
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:39.360
So you'd cover those three pieces.
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:40.880
Yes, it's the three Ms.
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:43.360
It's macronutrients, movement, and mindset.
00:46:43.760 --> 00:47:15.039
And it took me uh a year and a half of my own transformation to sum it up into those three things, um, with macronutrients being the most important thing, just focusing on essential amino acids, uh acids which are chemical compounds that we need to truly build and repair muscle tissue, to build enzymes, uh, to build carrier proteins in our body, um fats to build steroid hormones, you know, important hormones like testosterone, so that we can get into an anabolic growth mode.
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:22.639
Uh fats are essential for fuel, you know, uh it's essential for digestion, uh, the the production of cholesterol.
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:28.960
I mean, it's just it's a molecule that we need and um it provides so much for us.
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:33.840
And then the third part of it is just watching those carbs, just paying close attention to carbs.
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.000
Uh carbohydrates are not essential.
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:36.639
We don't need them.
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.719
Our liver can make its own glucose.
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:41.360
How much we need is determined upon our lifestyle.
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:54.400
So if you're someone who's aggressively training for an Iron Man or a very anaerobic, out-of-breath type competition, then yes, you will need some glucose in your system to help you push through in those moments.
00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:01.119
So when I talk to people about carbohydrates, I just make sure it's in balance with what they actually want, you know, out of life.
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:07.599
But for most people who come to me, they have 30 to 50 pounds of extra energy on them to lose.
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:17.119
And what we do is just uh recommend a macronutrient plan that helps them mobilize that stored energy and actually get it burnt off and used for fuel.
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:20.480
And so you have to pay attention to the way the body prioritizes fuel.
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:28.960
So uh in doing that, you just realize that carbohydrates uh get put in front of burning fat, period.
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:34.239
So you want to get to that stored body fat, we gotta keep the carbs down so that we can be efficient fat burners.
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:42.719
So one of the things at Burn when I started, I didn't do it immediately, but I went and had my scan done and and I met with Chris.
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:50.400
And you know, he we talked a lot nutrition about nutrition, which for me is I'm on the hamster wheel all day long.
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.159
I'm not focused on that.
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:53.760
I'm doing everything else.
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:59.760
So I I finally, after doing burn for like a year, felt like I'm not really getting the results I want.
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:01.920
I'm not feeling as good as I want to feel.
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.119
And and I remembered all the things that he told me.
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:12.000
And um, it was not that he didn't tell me those things, it was that I wasn't listening to those things.
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.360
So I started, I was not having protein.
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:18.559
I really wasn't eating anything until 11 o'clock in the morning.
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:24.559
I was going home, going to work, and I wasn't able to sit down and eat anything, and it typically wasn't good.
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.639
And we talked about all those things, and I've really never been honest with anybody.
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:35.760
And so here's this 25-year-old who I adore telling me what I have to do, and I and I wasn't listening to him.
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:37.440
I was like, that's kiosh, whatever.
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:43.039
And now I'm trying, I'm listening and trying to do those things, and I'm feeling a difference.
00:49:43.360 --> 00:50:10.159
Well, I think what's marketed to us hard is the David Goggins mindset and the hard 75 and all these like really like hard grinding programs that make us miserable and have us feeling unwell when really it's just about finding balance every day and eating the most nutrient-dense bioavailable foods and then getting enough recovery, stressing our body from time to time.
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:12.400
It's really just a lifestyle, it's not a program.
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:16.800
There's nothing wrong with Goggins and Frazella and a lot of these motivational extreme guys.
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:21.360
That's what helped push me to get my butt out the door and get moving, right?
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:30.000
But it wasn't, you know, I'm three and a half years in, you know, in 16 months I went from 20% body fat down to 10% body fat.
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:32.800
So I went through that process of getting down there.
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:38.079
Now I maintain 15% body fat, but I live in abundance.
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:44.159
I just eat basically whatever I want, and um I get my steps every day.
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:49.519
And four to five times a week I do a high-intensity workout when you know when I see you at burn.
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:52.719
Um so that was kind of my process.
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.920
Yeah, look, you you can't exercise your way out of a bad diet.
00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:56.320
Yeah.
00:50:56.639 --> 00:51:04.239
Um and an area of frustration for me, which is which is something that that I've got better at, I mean, that's controlling the controllables.
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:32.639
But when you start learning the the nutritional part of these things, and then you start looking at the sickness in the world, and then you start looking at treatments and the costs, not not only uh financially but emotionally too, that's the key of frustration because it's all the hamster wheel, the the system has us treating sicknesses, symptoms, and what have you, but it doesn't address lifestyle.
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:33.119
Absolutely.
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:35.679
And it's all take this pill, but you can keep doing what you're doing.
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:37.920
But what you're doing is what caused the illness.
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:39.440
We have to change what you're doing.
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:39.840
Absolutely.
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:46.639
And so when you see I have that with friends and family too, and and and I see what they're going through, and I'm like, Are you not listening to what I'm saying?
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:46.960
Yes.
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:50.320
Um I'm not gonna force it on you.
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:54.400
And then I mean that's that's something that I sent to Will a couple of days ago.
00:51:54.480 --> 00:52:00.079
Uh, a lady just expressed it in such a good way that sometimes you also have to accept that maybe that's just not their journey.
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:00.320
Right.
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:06.880
Um and you you have to they might not be on that path, and they they're on their own path, and you can do what you can do.
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:16.079
And to Will's point with you know, with his daughter, with my daughters too, is is just being that person, being that influence, so they can see what you're doing.
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:21.360
Um you know, and we get to have the results, and we get to have the glowing skin and and feeling wonderful.
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:31.119
I mean, I you know, I say I'm turning 50 next year, and and you know, I I tell people all the time, so you you might not believe me, but it kind of goes back to what I was saying before, just feeling so good.
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:33.760
I mean, I've never been able to just jump out of bed.
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:39.679
I mean, I don't have a sore back, my knees don't hurt, I just pop up and off I go through my 40s, through my 30s.
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:47.920
I've always had something that was painful, something that but I know that that's because I have no inflammation in my body, because I'm not doing things that are inflaming the body.
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.400
So so it just yeah, it's it's all there.
00:52:50.559 --> 00:53:06.079
But that, I mean, that's the journey that that we're continuing on, and then becoming coaches and and doing that is is that and and for you, I'm sure it's that same kind of thing in terms of how you deal with the people in front of you emotionally and and how that is.
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:14.800
So mine is very much accepting that and I'm going through it at the moment because I you know my wife is very much uh uh she needs a burn boot camp.
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:19.760
Um and it's this excuse that you need someone else to motivate you.
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:27.119
And and for me, it's I'm trying to do things calisthenics and stuff like that, so that I don't have an excuse to get out of it.
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.760
It's you know, I'm on holiday, I can't, I don't have the gym.
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:31.440
It's like, well, that's just an excuse.
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:33.360
You really just need a 10-foot area.
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:41.199
Yeah, and so so I remove the excuse, and and she's still in the mindset of, well, I need that to keep me going.
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:44.880
And and I totally respect I I absolutely get what she's saying, because she does.
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.199
She needs that motivation, somebody to to push her.
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:50.159
If I push her, then she's like, I'm the husband.
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:51.280
I'm there there's trouble.
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:52.239
Don't tell me what's going on.
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:57.119
It's different for everybody what they what they need, you know, to motivate themselves.
00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:13.920
And um, and and I think one unfortunate thing I see is I feel like there are people that I deal with that don't have other people around them that can talk to them about these things and and that they can listen to and learn.
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:20.320
So I feel like it's I feel like we're living in a time where, you know, it's well, I'm gonna go grab this fast.
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:31.440
I mean, we're i everything is so fast paced, and all of us don't have the means to surround ourselves with you know, these kinds of activities and things like that.
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:38.960
But to s to speak back to what we were talking about, the weighted vest, you know, uh so everybody at Burn Boot camp started wearing a weighted vest.
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:40.239
So I got I went and got one.
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.159
I was like, I can do that, you know.
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:54.000
And when I went for my first deck scan, I was very disappointed in my scan and my neck, and they said you've got great hip bones, but everything else is you know, you're starting to get some stenosis.
00:54:54.159 --> 00:55:07.760
So I live in a neighborhood, it's not an over 55 neighborhood, but um, a lot of the people are older, some of them are retired, and I th I really wanted to wear that around my neighborhood, and I was a little bit paranoid to do that.
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.000
I was like, they're gonna say she's crazy.
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.679
You know, they they already think I'm crazy, but she's crazy.
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:22.480
What is she and then a couple weeks later I saw another woman in my neighborhood with one of those weighted vests on, and I was so excited.
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:24.639
Sometimes you just need a little pull.
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:30.960
Yeah, and sometimes people don't have that person or that um ability to walk up to someone else.
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:38.880
That's how you don't you don't know who you're impacting because some people are quieter and they don't reach out and say, Hey, what's that mean or whatever?
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:39.679
Yeah.
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:46.000
It's like the the Mel Robbins book, Let Them, that everybody's reading right now, you know, let them think whatever they want to think.
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:48.320
But that does stop people from taking action.
00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:52.800
I I can't tell you what that did for me in just starting this coaching business.
00:55:52.880 --> 00:56:05.440
Uh, because going from a 250-pound guy, you know, drinking all the time, not showing up for himself the way that he wanted to to where I am now, that's I gotta overcome a lot of imposter syndrome.
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:05.599
Sure.
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You know what I mean?
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I've got a I've got decades of being out of alignment with my choices that I have to overcome every time I go to make that new choice.
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And so that's what I feel like has held me back the the longest than truly just being um who I feel like I'm meant to be and getting over that awkwardness that comes about by switching up the conversation that you're having with people, you know, and truly believing that you are worthy of getting on a podcast and saying, hey, y'all, this is how I truly feel about this situation.
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:41.280
And yeah, you might remember the old guy, but you can't deny who's here right now.
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You know, and when a lot of guys that I work with go to stop drinking alcohol, they always talk about how it's awkward going to that next event, and people are like, Oh, you don't drink anymore, you know, there's that conversation.
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And I always tell them, like, yeah, there's that conversation, but that's only for the first few months that you're gonna have these conversations because in six months your entire energy, your aura is gonna change.
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And when you show up in the room, no one is gonna have to ask the question.
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:15.599
In fact, it's not gonna be about what you're doing, it's how can they get involved with what you're doing and how can you help them?
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You're an example, you completely change it, so you have to just give it time, get through these imposter feelings and just own it every single day.
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You know, you're in complete control of your thoughts.
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That's our main thing.
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Was that a sudden when you made that decision?
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Was that um a very quick I'm I'm gonna change, or was it a period of time that you were like, How am I gonna make this change?
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And did other people impact you making that change?
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:47.920
It took about two years of starting and stopping.
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My wife was the biggest impact.
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Sometimes people ask me and I forget to answer, but my wife was the biggest impact.
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It took about two years.
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It started in 2020 during the pandemic with just having no idea or knowledge about our body and to where I am now.
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:20.960
I spent two years just listening to podcasts, going for walks, and in that two year period, there was one time I quit drinking from like January 1st until my wife and I went to Jamaica, where I told myself when we went there in March for her birthday, for her 40th, that I would reward myself with a beer.
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So I went 90 days, lost a lot of weight, skin cleared up, I was feeling good.
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Got to Jamaica in March, and first thing I did in the airport was grab a beer and just got right back on it.
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And then we got to the resort, and that week that I was there, I started drinking again, and my sleep quality got bad.
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:52.800
I just really I'm starting to recognize these things, like wow, uh, it was nice when that wasn't around, but I kept going because I thought it was just the lifestyle and what I should be doing.
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So for the rest of the months out of that year, I drank and would put those 20 pounds back on that I lost during that 90-day period, and then I'm back in my clothes and I'm just frustrated.
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So 2022, try again, same thing.
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:10.079
I think I went 60 days and then rewarded myself to go back to it.
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But it wasn't until our 10-year anniversary in the Dominican Republic that I got there and I was drinking.
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I remember going out to dinner, my clothes were fitting tighter, I just didn't feel good, sleep quality was bad, and it was on that beach in March of 2022 that I said, when I get home, I think I'm done with this.
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And I even downloaded the reframe app while I was in the Dominican.
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It was a app to help you get off alcohol.
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But when I got home March 28th, that was the day.
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It was when I took my last sip, and I just never went back to it, and I just kept giving myself time, you know, to lock this thing in.
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And um, here we are.
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Like I just I'm one of those guys I can't take another sip.
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It's just not uh gonna work out for me the way that I want it to.
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Um and my biggest factor was my wife.
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I'm telling you.
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I mean, I give her I talk about her a lot.
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I don't think she listens to these, really, so I don't think she ever hears this, but um truly wanting to have a deeper, better relationship with her.
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I'm so moved by that.
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Well, no, I'm just it's it is how I feel because I missed it.
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You know, when I look at her, I truly see the most beautiful woman ever.
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And how can I make her feel that way?
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By the action I take around the house, by the way that I treat myself, because when I feel unstoppable, she can't help but feel that energy when I bring it to her.
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You know what I mean?
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So it had everything to do, you know, I think a lot of men can get despondent and say, well, I guess that's just what happens when they get over a certain age, they're not into it, and then this is just life.
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And I was like, nope, nope, nope.
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I was determined that was not going to be me.
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I'm like, I'm not accepting this.
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And then I realized that I had all the power to control what I ate, how I moved, and what I thought.
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And when I realized I had that power, I just built a person that hopefully is irresistible to her.
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I mean, that's the goal, that's the way I think.
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It's not vain.
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It's like, hey, if you want more quality time with your wife because she moves you that much, then build the guy who is worthy of it.
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Yeah.
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Be the guy.
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You know, because what was stopping me?
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Well, she didn't like the way alcohol smelt on me.
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Well, that's not fair.
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You know, like this, I love doing this.
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You know, you can't take that from me.
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How bad do you want to be with your wife?
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Yeah.
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So it's gotta go.
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It was just in the way.
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And that was that was the main driving factor.
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Sure, that just involves so much strength to to to do that.
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Again, it's just your why, you know, because I got the rest of my life with her.
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Yeah.
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You know, and I want her to be positive and optimistic.
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I don't want her negative, you know.
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And I tell her all the time, you know, part of my wanting to be with her is that because I know when I don't desire her or show this interest that her body's just gonna say, okay, not in demand.
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Let's start powering down.
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Does that make sense?
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Yeah.
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So as soon as I stop demanding that energy from her, I'm just letting her go at that point.
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So I love just reminding her that you know, so she's kind of your why too.
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She is, yeah.
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She's a big part.
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She's a big part.
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And again, but she used to be my biggest, like there were plenty of tough times in our marriage for 10 years where I was um questioning um if we could keep this thing going, you know.
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But every time I drew it back to where the problems were starting, it was all with my choices, everything I was in control of.
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You know, as soon as I got rid of the alcohol, all the other choices became very easy.
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I mean, Kelly, it's surprised you, but like, no news.
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I don't watch any news.
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And for people who knew me uh back when I was in my 30s, I'd have no problem bringing up politics in the first 30 seconds of meeting somebody.
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I mean, I just loved it, loved the children.
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Are you guys really different?
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That like, are you different now than you were when you met at that party?
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I think I mean I think at the core it was the same thing, but we were trapped, I mean, we were unawakened.
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Um, we were trapped in that same in that same role.
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I was very accepting of this is it, I just feel miserable my whole life.
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I get indigestion all the time.
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I just uh you know, and you just underenergized and you don't feel right.
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Because we did we made these decisions to change separately.
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We didn't we didn't finish the podcast, hey, I'm gonna go and change myself.
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That's what we found interesting because when he and I when he and I connected at a Starbucks, he said that he'd been going carnivore for the past few weeks or maybe a month, and I was like, man, I said I just started eating red meat myself, and I've never felt so good.
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All these numbers are changing, and then we just kept the connection at that point.
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And what I appreciate the most about Cameron is none of our conversations were around sports or politics.
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It was all, oh my gosh, that's really what carbs can do if you eat too many of them.
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Like, ooh, like protein, essential amino acids, nine we can't make internally, we have to get from food, so therefore, red meat is the ultimate food that we should seek out.
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And here's why.
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I mean, those types of conversations.
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So how this is silly, but how is your you said your diet is different?
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A little bit different because I have uh more tolerance for other foods.
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So I'll eat vegetables and some fruits in moderation.
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I'll still have uh some cake from time to time or ice cream with the family.
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Um where Cameron and I are different is he truly um believes in just meat only.
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And I, like I said, mix in some other things too with it.
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You know, it's so I mean, yeah, we've obviously got different lives, so we have a different background.
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So I mean I'm I was a similar for a number of years, I was the wine director at the Jeffson Hotel.
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So I stopped drinking because to do the diet that I do, alcohol doesn't mix with it.
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Like then you'll start becoming if you have a high-fat diet, alcohol is gonna start becoming carbs are a big problem.
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Yeah, people when they want to do a program, if they you know, as part of I give them like a background on the program and what to expect.
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But if alcohol is something that they want to keep incorporating in their day-to-day, it's not in alignment with where they want to be.
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And when you think just about oxidation of fuel in the body, alcohol has no storage space, so it has to be oxidized before any extra protein or carbohydrates or body fat stored body fat.
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So it's just another layer that you have to work through, you know, to get to what's on us.
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Um look, there's nothing enduring about alcohol, so at the end of the day, it's not healthy.
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But from if you take the opposite end of stoicism, you've got Epicureanism, hedonism, I mean, these kind of things.
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And and philosophically for me, yeah, I'm alive in 2025 and things are available to us, but I also have a knowledge base in my past.
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So if you approach me with a bottle of 1947 Chadreuse, I'm not going to tell you I'm not gonna drink it.
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I will absolutely partake in what it's yeah, and and so and and the same with foods.
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I you know, I worked in fine dining, so I you know, I respect what.
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good quality food is.
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But there are certain things I just absolutely won't touch.
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Do vegetables, fruit pass my lips?
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100%, but I don't plan on it.
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It's I'm making dinner for the kids, I'm making lunches or what have you.
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I'll have a spoonful to to try something out.
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But I'm not I I won't do the cakes and things like that.
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And let me let me expand on that too.
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When I cook a blue apron every week for my family, we have a blue apron that comes, it gives us two meals for the week and it's always got a protein and a vegetable and some carbs.
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So I always have that meal with the family too.
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So that's my tolerance with it.
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Like hey it's here it's available.
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Sure I'll eat it.
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But when my kids aren't around and it's just me making choices, it's going to be ground beef, eggs.
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Did I have a hard strength workout then I'm going to add some sweet potato.
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You know what I mean?
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Like that's how I do it.
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So when it's just me I keep it very simple but when it's the family I'll allow other things in.
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But I w I mean I won't surpass even if I indulge but I won't surpass 15 10 to 15 grams of carbs in a day.
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Because and that's to do with the conditioning.
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So being ketosis being a fat burner if you do one event at say you get 100 grams of carbs or something you're going to you're going to mitigate your ketosis but you'll get back into it.
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If you sustain that for say five six a week you know go away on holiday and do that then it's going to take you a couple of months to get back to fat adaptation and that becomes a little bit harder.
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And then I also again more of a an approach to these things there's a a gentleman that I follow uh Dr.
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Syvus who's a South African guy based down in Florida he's known as the carb addiction doc.
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And there is the treatment of carbohydrates as an addiction.
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Carbohydrates are highly addictive they signal the same neural pathways as cocaine and heroin and in many ways they're harder to break.
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So it's this insidious thing that gets in there.
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So what I try to prevent is is it it's again I I liken it to alcoholics.
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You don't this is where Weight Watchers unfortunately gets it wrong.
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You don't reward yourself with a slice of cake.
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Six months of being free of alcohol you don't reward yourself with a beer.
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Absolutely if you can have that piece of fruit and it doesn't end up with a bowl of fruit loops at the end of the week then that's fine.
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And that tolerance is there.
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And usually and and that's really how I view this kind of this program is let's reset your microbiome.
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Because most of us all of us human beings can tolerate the carbohydrates can tolerate the but we have damaged ourselves for so long that the microbiome can't handle it.
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And so that's when it becomes detriment.
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So do the 90 days reset your microbiome get it all clean and then reintroduce the things that you love.
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Because again if you're not going to enjoy the diet then there's no point starting it.
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For me if you can genuinely if if if budget allowed and you could throw a two pound ribeye in front of me every single day I I mean I get giddy as a schoolgirl when I think about my grilled ribeye that's coming because it just tastes so delicious.
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And then I feel so I mean I can eat until I'm stuffed.
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I mean that's the whole I'm I'm predominantly OMAD so one meal It doesn't take long with all the fat too and that really the the whole point is when you're one meal a day is you eat until you're full and to and it's literally this bite was delicious.
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This next bite suddenly doesn't taste as nice.
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And then I push it away.
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I'm absolutely stuffed.
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I could go and do a a workout right after that and it's not going to bother me.
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I just I do feel like there's such a tie to eating unhealthily and just the way our kids feel the way they do in school the way they learn the illnesses you're s I feel like you're so much more prone to being sick and unhealthy and then there again I feel bad for people who don't have the resources to eat healthier.
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You're right you're right one thing that I had to reframe for myself in this process is that when I'm buying food, I'm not spending money I'm circulating it.
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So when you spend it doesn't come back when you circulate it that$20 ribeye you're going to eat it and then what comes from it the hormone reaction and the positive thoughts that come with it and the enthusiasm will further turn itself into just a better experience with your clients and your loved ones so we're get out of the spend mode and get into circulating it right it's all coming back and give it some time right anytime we make change we have to give it you know weeks and months.
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Does that make sense?
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So be patient surround yourself with others who are ahead of you and keep making those choices.
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And then boom all of a sudden the the the brain fog goes away the enthusiasm shows up and you're like oh my gosh I can now go start a business.
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I can now go ask for more money from my employer because I feel more valuable.
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I'm understanding my divinity and the power within because the hormones aren't confused anymore.
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You know we're finally signaling properly right because we we truly are feeding bacteria.
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:21.359
That's what blew my mind you know Cameron we talked about this I was listening to Zach Bush he's a doctor out of Charlottesville and he would always talk about bacteria and the way he framed it up.
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When I learned you know mouth to anus 30 feet there's about three pounds of bacteria that's alive.
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And all they're waiting on is for us to make food choices in alignment with what they prefer to consume and break down and then what they produce causes these chemical reactions that signal these hormones and these hormones signal satiety or they signal uplifting spirits and thoughts.
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So we're really eating food for our bacteria and then they're blessing us with a chemical conversion that leads to a hormone exchange that just keeps us in balance and you've got the three pounds in your gut you've got 500 dips different types of bacteria that live in your mouth I mean it's unbelievable when you think about that and all they're doing is just positioning themselves to help break down food that you input you have a skin microbiome you have bacteria all over you there's no reason to be using soap that's antibacterial we're not anti-anything this is all about balance right we need uh good bacteria to balance the bad bacteria that's always the constant struggle in nature right we have an immune system loaded with cells who are just keeping bacteria in check.
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And how hard is our immune system going to work?
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:34.159
Well how out of balance are we?
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Yeah and I think I really feel like there's there's and I I'm not a doctor so I don't know but I feel like are there we're seeing so much more of certain disease processes pancreatic cancers things like that.
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Is there a tie to the diet because of the hormones that are the pancreas are a big hormone center.
01:12:56.239 --> 01:13:01.840
So what how is how is what you're putting in your body affecting those things?
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I mean I do feel like that's huge.
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That's something I want to learn more about it.
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Well it's all energy so when you think about it all food is loaded with electrons these atoms loaded with energy when you think about fat it has the most amount of stored energy within each molecule it's loaded with energy you get nine caloric units of energy per molecule of fat carbs you get four caloric units of energy you get twice the energy output with fat.
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So fat has a major impact when you think about amino acids we're talking about proteins right this is what we're made of I've read that there's over 400 different amino acids in nature.
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For us to be in our physical shape we need 20 of them okay 20 out of those 400 nine are essential meaning we can't make them internally we have to eat them from food.
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So these amino acids are like letters in an alphabet and so the body takes them the liver pairs these letters together together and the liver makes words these are peptides and then you string enough peptides together you have these long proteins and proteins are like sentences.
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So when we decide what we are going to eat these amino acids are literally in these different shapes and forms and they just get you know clunked together like a nice puzzle.
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They fit together perfectly they get sent out to the body to fulfill certain roles.
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So food that's in alignment that's in the right shape and size fits perfectly within the body and you have less oxidative stress you have less inflammation your immune system can spend time you know just dispensing of things that need to go versus just trying to contain all your poor decisions in one place.
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So that's what people need to understand.
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And then you don't feel good.
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You bonk.
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Yeah so that's that's really the game I know that's might be a weird answer than what you were thinking but it has to do with electrons and shapes of molecules.
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And so the more we return to nature and eat food that's in the correct shape, then the more the body accepts it, the more we're in alignment, the more the hormones say, ooh this feels right this is good.
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And next thing you know we're operating at a completely different level.
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You know does that make sense?
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No totally I think about it.
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Yeah.
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I give a I mean a a s a a really simplified version of the idea which we've kind of come across is if you take the six major diseases that we all suffer in terms of the cancers, heart disease, dementia and so on.
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And again it's simplified so so yeah rather than argue about terminology but the idea is the suggestion is none of those are actually diseases.
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They're all symptoms and they're symptoms of an underlying disease and that disease is inflammation.
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And inflammation is brought on by things like a blood glucose spike which creates the insulin spike and that is an immune response.
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So our immune system is constantly fighting the things we're ingesting.
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So when problems come along the body's not able to fight that as well.
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This is why we get sick and you I have not been sick in three years.
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I've watched my my kids have I mean my my youngest has had strep but she had a year of strep last year.
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It was ridiculous she kept getting it my wife's picked up the colds and the flus and and my oldest has as well and I pick them up and I hug them and I kiss them.
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I don't isolate myself at all and I get nothing because my immune system no doubt those viruses are going in but my immune system is is ready to fight it all off because it's not addressing the candy bar I had or even the protein bar and all this kind of stuff.
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But you think about that food choices that we're eating all day these bacteria are helping us digest them ingest them and put them into use right but when we die these same bacteria that ingests what we input for us on our behalf when our immune system collapses because we're dead there's no more oxygen right so the immune system's done guess what happens the bacteria that's been helping us our entire life eats us from the inside out because the immune system is no longer there to keep it in check and now you have the proliferation of all this bacteria and then so on.
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You just get ingested by this bacteria.
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So that's the balance right there.
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So you talk about an immune response I just did in a video yesterday when we keep making the wrong food choices and having these negative thoughts and we stay in this chronic inflammation state it requires a lot of energy for your immune system to stay elevated and in this defense mode right?
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Yeah.
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Versus if we're eating in alignment with nature everything's calm within the body the immune system can now move around and move into these autophagy states where we go in and we clean up all the you know reactive oxygen species they call it all the buildup all the stress from all the internal processes that take place.
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So our immune system is amazingly powerful if we give it the right inputs right I mean it's it's these these diseases to watch the strength of the human body even at the end the what it goes through, you know, what it is able to do.
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I'm not comparing it to to birthing, but I mean think about what a baby experiences when it's coming out of the womb and the going through a birth canal.
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It's it's truly amazing what that baby goes through and what the body is able to do.
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It's kind of the same at the end of life when you watch someone what the body is able to do and what it does do.
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It it shows you the strength of the body the way it shuts down and the order it shuts down and what it does that fight or flight.
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It's really it really is an interesting process to watch.
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Well there's that last energy release kind of towards the end yeah tell me about that.
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Not ever not everybody has the surge.
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Most people do in their own way and you know that is somebody's been withdrawn for months and they've had a glaze, they're not really talking to anybody and that's very natural.
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They're withdrawing they're they're doing a lot of thinking internal thinking they're they're thinking about their life life review what's going to happen when I'm gone those kinds of things that's very normal and that's very distressing to a family.
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They're trying to combat that with eat this, eat that, get up, let's go do this, you know they're trying to to have activity when that person just wants to be by themselves and reflect.
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They're doing a their own I call it pondering but um it's called detaching but after that I'll get a phone call and it's oh my gosh.
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He ate he got up in the chair the kids came over it was amazing he watched football and I know deep down that he's gonna pass in two days and it is so common and it's it's that's the body's last it is a body it is a b it's a response it's fight or flight and it's that body's last surge um of energy and it can be for a couple hours it can be for a day typically that is followed by a release of um you know urine and bowels it's just a natural process and then the body kind of slips away.
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Not everybody has the surge but it's sort of a it's it's an unfortunate tease sometimes to a family who it it gives them a lot of hope that that person is that they're okay.
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They're gonna be okay they're they're back to themselves and and it's unbelievable I can have a person that's been catatonic for three weeks wake up and start talking to their family.
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They want ice cream and they're engaging and the next day they're gone.
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Wow so it's the body is it's a miracle what the body is capable of and if it's capable of doing those kinds of things at the very end it's capable of doing so many more things now.
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We are unbelievably um powerful human beings for sure we need to realize that power before it's too late.
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I want you to listen to one last thing I heard this and um it changed a lot for me too Steve Jobs talking about life.
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If you live each day as if it was your last someday you'll most certainly be right I've looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself if today were the last day of my life would I want to do what I am about to do today?
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And whenever the answer has been no for too many days in a row I know I need to change something.
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Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life.
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Because almost everything all external expectations all pride all fear of embarrassment or failure these things just fall away in the face of death leaving only what is truly important remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose you pretty powerful.
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Yeah so that's why I say just love the one next to you I know that it's hard at 445 when that alarm goes off but get to the boot camp right?
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Put the smile on your face bless others because what an opportunity we have every single day.
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Yeah absolutely and I'm so grateful that you came on the podcast with me and shared all the knowledge that you've gathered over the past decade of working with people towards the end of life it's really taught me a lot today.
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Thanks I'm so glad I got to come.
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I really appreciate you being here and I mean I'm I'm the pleasure is all mine.
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I mean I'm I'm in awe of of people like yourself and and what you do.
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Yeah it's a beautiful thing.
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I mean I feel like it's a gift for me and I feel like I have learned um uh how to live my own life through watching other people I mean I I I I had a question ahead of time and and you've kind of answered it um through just listening to you but it it was to the point of of you know if you think of of doctors and surgeons and uh emergency ward it's this idea of you do you become uh desensitized and is that the coping it's it's more to how do you cope because you're you're going through this but I can see from from just from your energy alone I mean it's it's entirely natural to you.
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I mean it's it's it's something that you you truly love and and so yeah I I find that absolutely beautiful.
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So thank you for sharing.
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Thank you.
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I have a neighbor who's a a retired nephrologist and him and I get into get into some heated conversations on the corner for a long time because you know they fix they fix things.
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And he um you know I I tell him all the time you know don't you talk to your patients that are in stage four and five about death don't you give them options and talk to them about what if they don't want to have dialysis anymore.
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No, we don't do that.
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We fix things and and I'm like but you don't but you can't fix everything and what happens to that person when you can't fix it you know then they're not your patient anymore they're mine.
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And he's like so we talked over a couple year period of time and then and then about six months ago I saw him on the corner and we we joke more than anything he said so he said guess what?
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We're hiring somebody in our office to actually do education for people in four and five you know so that they know what their choices are they know what their options are they know what's gonna eventually happen to them.
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Like it was an acknowledgement of these people are not going to live much longer.
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What are their choices?
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Where can they go with that?
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How can how can they make decisions that they want to make in their own life and have a more peaceful end of life journey.
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So I was so proud of him because he I but there again I think it's about talking to other people and listening.
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Like listening to what they have to say.
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I mean we do we do have I think an an issue with doctors and maybe global I'm sure but uh it's the bedside manner and and and it is and that was certainly our experience.
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It wasn't fantastic for for my father and yeah they kind of had written him off and but wouldn't really tell us that and and so not that we shouldn't have hope but like I say I mean yeah he didn't have the surge he didn't you know he didn't expect to go he wasn't planning on going and so so there was a very different thing but they seemed very businesslike and you know let's just pay to get over here and yeah and this is how much this costs and there's always numbers and costs and it's like we don't care about the money.
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It's like we just what are our options?
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These are people I I'm always very honest.
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If someone if some a family I am in a family meeting and they want they want to know exactly what is happening I am very honest with them.
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If I have a patient who wants to know what is happening to me what is this going to be like we talk about it openly and honestly sometimes they don't want to talk around their family about it.
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They just want to have a conversation with you about it.
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It's part of their reflective period there's some fear about what's gonna happen and those kinds of things.
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And so we I get very close to people you know and and it's a vulnerable time for them in their life they're they're they're at their most vulnerable time.
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So it's it's definitely an honor to be able to do this kind of job and I I saw the impact of that with my mom.
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So yeah.
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Well Kelly your um experience in life and just what you do every day blesses so many people and helps so many and I'm grateful for you like I said every morning at Burn Boot Camp you bring the energy and it's hard to duplicate it.
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So thank you for always showing up not just for yourself but for for all of us.
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Cameron thanks for being here buddy always always enjoy it and always looking to be better uh today than we were yesterday.