July 6, 2026 · transcript

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Two practitioners. Different models. Same modern crisis.

Paul Lyons says pressure is the making of leaders and mental toughness is trainable. Most leaders just haven't been taught to build the right kind of hard.

Kemina Fulwood says that's treating a biology problem like a mindset problem. If the nervous system is running in chronic threat, no amount of toughness lands. Real performance starts in the body, not the boardroom.

Every episode, we take a topic reshaping modern leadership - burnout, AI anxiety, executive exhaustion, identity collapse and put it under real pressure. Two models. One territory. No easy answers.

This isn't leadership advice. It's leadership stress-tested in real time.

The Pressure Test. New episodes fortnightly.

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speaker-0: What about the body? Because when the body stops cooperating, there is no amount of mindset that actually gets you.
speaker-1: I wouldn't disagree with that, Kamina, but you don't have to get to that is what I'm saying.
speaker-0: Didn't you think you were gonna have me on something there?
speaker-1: I didn't, I was I was just ⁓ you know, tr trying to look for a weak link now.

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