Reading Herbert Marcuse's 'Repressive Tolerance' w/ Aaron from Timeline Earth - Complete

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I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekenona Show
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and welcome back eron what's up Nanks for having me. Yeah, yeah,
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always a pleasure, always a pleasure here to do a reading.
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And I don't know, this may take this will definitely
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take two, This could take three, So people be people
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can be uh patient with us as you're a very
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busy man to get you back on and uh and
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do more of this. But this is an essay kind
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of kind of popular. A lot of people, even people
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on the left push a lot of people on the
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left push this essay. But a lot of people who
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like left the left or say the left left them,
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and then they start coming over to the center more
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or less. Oh, you have to read Repressive Tolerance by
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Herbert Marcuse. So what do you What do you know
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about him?
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I know that very little other than that he was
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he was a Frankfurt school guy now big in the
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big in the sixties, leftist thinker, kind of a post Marxist.
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Didn't wasn't wasn't too into the scientific socialism like I am,
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but more of the socialist humanism and you know, just
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different focuses, but focused a lot on culture and Praxis,
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and you know, I did a little background on this
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essay and him, and it's one of those things that
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I think, I think it's perfect that we're having this
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episode because I love peering into the enemy's plan book
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and seeing what we can seeing what we can use.
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Yep, yep. So let me do a quick little let's
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do the Wikipedia. Marcus born July nineteenth, eighteen ninety eight
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German German American died July twenty ninth, nineteen seventy nine
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German American philosophers, social critic, and political theorist, associated at
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the Frankfort School of Critical Theory. Born in Berlin, Marcus
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studied at the Humboldt University of Berlin and then at Freiburg,
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where he received his PhD. Was a prominent figure in
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the Frankfurt based Institute for Social Research, which later became
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known as the Frankfurt School married YadA YadA. In his
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written works, he criticized capitalism, modern technology, Soviet communism, and
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popular culture, arguing that they represented new forms of social control.
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Between forty three and fifty Marcus worked in the US
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government service for the OSS Office Strategic Services, which is
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the people don't Know precursor to this CIA, where he
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criticized the ideology of the Communist Party of the Soviet
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of the Soviet Union in the book Soviet Marxism, A
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Critical Analysis, released in nineteen fifty eight. In the sixties
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and seventies, he became known as the pre eminent theorist
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of the New Left and the student movements of West Jerymany, France,
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and the United States. Some consider him the father of
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the New Left. His best known works are Aeros and
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Civilization and One Dimensional Man. His Marxist scholarship inspired many
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radical intellectuals and political activists in the nineteen sixties and seventies,
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both in the United States and internationally. So that's pretty
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much where where we're at to start this out. And yeah,
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this essay, I mean you just the title is, you know, pregnant,
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where you're just like, okay, what the hell's coming? You know,
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So all right, let me share this and we'll get
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it going. Oh both, but that's not it. That's the
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Wikipedia page there. It is, all right, stop me whenever, man,
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this is U. This starts out well. Repressive tolerance. Herbert
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Marcus nineteen sixty five and he taught at Brandeis university.
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Oh wow, that's on the street from me.
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Yeah, not a shock at all.
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No nice neighborhood.
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This essay examines the idea of tolerance in our advanced
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industrial society. The conclusion reached is that the realization of
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the objective of tolerance would call for intolerance toward prevailing policies, attitudes, opinions,
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and the extension of tolerance to policies, attitudes, and opinions
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which are outlawed or suppressed.
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All right, we'll stop you right there. What is the
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What is the end goal of tolerance? Is tolerance of
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means or an end?
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I should say, tolerance should be a means to achieving
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whatever you wish? I mean, do you I mean, do
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you want? What happens?
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What happens when you and Shapiro is tolerance and means
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or an end.
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When you turn on Ben Shapiro, tolerance is whatever he
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needs it to he needs it to be at the moment.
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Tolerance is the end goal. It's not. It's it's not
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tolerance of what it's We just need to be tolerant.
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And he'll tell it. People like him will tell you,
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you know, if he'll he'll he'll invite a leftist on
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a show, he'll invite a communist. It's it's really flipped
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where lip you know, modern liberalism still still calls for tolerance,
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but it's conservatism that's flipping the script saying, oh no,
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we're the ones being shut down. So now they're the
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ones calling for tolerance. And he's going to get into uh,
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exactly why that's not going to work out well for them?
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Well, yeah, and tolerance always you can you use tolerance
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to get where you want to go. I mean the
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way that we've gotten to where we are from where
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where this country was founded, where you make a lot
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of people make the argument, you know, and it's true
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the founders were you know, a lot of them were
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steeped in the Enlightenment, but when it came to tolerance,
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they were they were tolerant of certain things that about
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their culture, about the culture that they created that they
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live in. They were intolerant of other cultures.
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There were there were cultural bumpers put yeah, you know
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on the on the three by five index card of
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allowable opinion.
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Yes and uh, and the by there being tolerance and
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tolerance has always been used against the right so that
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the left can basically just gain as much power as
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it wants. And people on the right, you know, the question,
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the question asked often, and I forget where where I
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was having this conversation recently, is is why does the
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right not want to? Why does the right never want
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to rule? Why does the right never want to Why
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why do you never have a right with an iron fist?
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You know that wants to roll with an iron fist.
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And because most of the people who would call my
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opinion is most of the people whould call themselves right
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now have been completely possessed by leftism, by leftist by
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leftist tolerance, by Enlightenment tolerance.
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Yeah, yeah, but it's uh, that's going to be a
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hard book to break.
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Yeah.
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Right. In other words, today tolerance appears again as what
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it was in its origins at the beginning of the
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modern period, a partisan goal, a subversive, liberating notion and practice. Yeah,
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and you just to scroll down here to the definition
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of partisan because a lot of people the modern version,
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the modern definition of partisan is pussy shit. A partisan
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is someone who's prejudiced, prejudiced in favor of a particular cause,
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and prejudice to the point where they're they're willing to
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fight for that cause.
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Yeah, you'd also call it activist now, yes.
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Yeah. Conversely, what is proclaimed and practiced as tolerance today
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is in many of its most effective manifestations, serving the
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cause of oppression.
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Wow, he's just fucking bad.
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In one thousand, the author is fully aware that at present,
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no power, no authority, no government exists which would translate
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liberating tolerance into practice. But he believes that it is
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the task and duty of the intellectual to recall and
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preserve historical possibility which seem to have become utopian possibilities.
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That it is his task to break the concreteness of
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oppression in order to open the mental space in which
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the society can be recognized as what it is and does.
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That's critical theory in a nutshell.
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Ye. So, and this is just basically like the just
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an outline. Now we get into the meat of the text.
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So tolerance is an end in itself. The elimination of
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violence and the reduction of suppression to the extent required
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for protecting man and animals from cruelty and aggression are
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preconditions for the condition of a humane society.
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It's just a given, man, don't question it.
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Such a society does not yet exist. Progress toward it
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is perhaps more than before, are more than before arrested
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by violence and suppression on a global scale.
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I think I'm going to be pleasantly surprised at how
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much I agree with this, But not for the reasons
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he thanks.
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And I would say that when he mentions utopia here,
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when I say utopia, I don't mean I have my
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own version of utopia. Utopia is getting the ideology in
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reality that you want. Like so if you have it
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in the box, ideology you get. If you can get
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it to exist in reality, you have utopia. My you know,
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my understanding is you get. My goal is to have
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the best and most orderly society I can. Considering man's
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fallen nature.
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It's funny because you know, he was working for the
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precursor to the CIA in the late fifties early sixties
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basically critiquing Soviet Communism, and it was at that precise
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point in history that Soviet Communism was, you know, at
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their apex in terms of you know, their comparability and
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material conditions.
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Totally, he's working for them from forty three to fifty,
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so he's even got two years of World War Two
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in there, and then and then the after and then
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the aftermath, which is I mean, you want to talk
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about one of the most interesting times in history, the
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Soviet Union between nineteen forty five and nineteen fifty, not
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only considering the the absolute horror that they imposed upon Germany,
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but also the purging of a certain group from the
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government that brought about the rise of the neo conservatives
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in this country.
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Yeah, the glass ceiling for the j words. Yeah, strictly imposed.
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All right, as deterrence against nuclear war, as police action
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against subversion, as technical aid in the fight against imperialism
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and communism, as methods of pacification in neo colonial massacres,
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violence and suppression are are promulgated, practiced, and defended by
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democratic and authoritarian governments alike, and the people subjected to
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these governments are educated to sustain such practices as necessary
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for the preservation of the status quoz. He definitely was
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educated in Germany. I mean, just look at that sentence.
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It's such a German sentence. Structure, well, the structure of it.
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But you wouldn't have to go you wouldn't have to
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have too much of an imagination to replace all of
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the things that he mentioned with current day things that
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that we would mention instead of uh, wait, where is it?
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It's nuclear war police action against the version technically in
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the Yeah, I mean you could mention, you know, entire
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groups of black kids beating on white kids. You could
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mention surgical removal of gen genitalia. You know, take your pick,
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go on your Twitter timeline and you can just take
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those out and fill in with whatever you want. And
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once again we can we can agree with everything he's saying.
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Mhm.
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Tolerance is extended to policies, conditions, and modes of behavior
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which should not be tolerated because they are impeding, if
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not destroying, the chances of creating an existence without fear
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and misery.
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So he's talking about culture.
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I know that.
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Most schools of socialism don't like to talk about culture
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because it's stock grounded in materialism. It's transcendent. But he's
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talking about culture.
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Yeah.
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Of this sort of tolerance strengthens the tyranny of the
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majority against which authentic liberals protested authentic liberals. The political
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locus of tolerance has changed. While it is more or
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less quietly and constitutionally withdrawn from the opposition, it has
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made compulsory behavior with respect to established policies, Tolerance has
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turned from an active into a passive state, from practice
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to nonpractice. Lais fair the constituted authorities. It is the
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people who tolerate the government, which in turn tolerates opposition
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within the framework determined by the constituted authorities. Is that's
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what Chompsky invoking Chompsky would talk about right about that
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six seven years later. Also, he's just basically he's he's
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making arguments that I make all the time. The assebity
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had posted to the way to save this country is
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it was founded on the principles of liberty. We need
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to go back to the way. The only way it's
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gonna we're going to get it back is to go
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back to the principles of liberty. And I just like
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one sentence, maybe those principles are how we got here.
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Is that an opposition within the framework determined by the
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cost student authorities. We need to we need to roll
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back the state.
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Let's go tolerance toward that which is radically evil now
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appears as good because it serves the cohesion of the
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whole on the road to affluence and more affluence. The
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toleration of the systematic more moronization of children and adults
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alike by publicity and propaganda, the release of destructiveness and
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aggressive driving, the recruitment for the train and training of
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special forces, the impotent and benevolent tolerance toward outright deception
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in merchandising, waste, and planned obsolescence are not distortions and aberrations.
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They are the essence of a system which fosters tolerance
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as a means for perpetuating the struggle for existence and
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suppressing the alternatives. Do you do you disagree with any
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of that? Peter?
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Are we are we frank for school? Now?
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Disagree with?
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Are we frank for school? Socialists?
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Now?
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Ship? Oh? Man? Isn't it amazing that once you know,
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if you're one of those people who's on social media
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the time, and you're like, oh, this is what I
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You know, I learned about communism from a meme, Or
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I learned about socialism from a meme. I learned about
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Marxism from a meme. Once you start reading it, you know,
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I learned about critical theory from a meme. Once you
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start reading it, you're like, it's just like reading Marx.
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Oh he's got it figured out. It's just his solution
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is just shit, you know.
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Yep, the prescription is exactly on point.
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The authorities in education, morals, and psychology are vociferous against
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the increase in juvenile delinquency. They are less vociferous against
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the proud presentation in word and deed and pictures of
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ever more powerful missiles, rockets, bombs, the mature delinquency of
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a whole civilization. Hmm, that's an interesting.
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That that's smacks of bumple Ted.
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Yeah, yeah, there, Yeah, it really explains why Ted hates
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the left so much. According to a dialectical proposition, it
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is the whole which determines the truth, not in the
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sense that the whole is prior or superior to its parts,
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but in the sense that its structure and function determine
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every particular condition and relation. Thus, within a repressive society,
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even progressive movements threaten to turn into their opposite to
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the degree to which they accept the rules of the game.
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There's an Uncle Ted for you right there.
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Yep.
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To take a most controversial case, the exercise of political
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rights such as voting, letter writing to the press, to senators, etc.
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Protest demonstrations with a priori renunciation of counter violence in
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a society of total administration serves to strengthen this administration
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by testifying to the existence of democratic liberties which in
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reality have changed their content and lost their effectiveness. In
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such a case, freedom of opinion, of assembly of speech.
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That's Sam France, Sam Francis, Yeah, managerial revolution.
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In in such in such a case, are you thinking
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Burnham or Francis? But as Francis wrote what I think
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is the greatest book on Burnham. He wrote this little
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book where he just does a commentary on every Burnham book.
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It's one of my favorite books. Is it's just because
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you get you know, Francis is so much closer to us,
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and he was just such a great man. Mean, he
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wrote for the USA today to a certain point, that's amazing.
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In such a case, freedom of opinion, of assembly of
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speech becomes an instrument for absolving servitude. And yet, and
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I was just recording with Semi Agogue and we're talking
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about the first paragraph of the Engineering of Consent by
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Bernez where he talks about how freedom, freedom of speech
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within a society is just the greatest tool for being
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able to engineer that society. Yeah, all right, okay, And
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yet and only here the dialectical proposition shows its full intent.
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The existence and practice of these liberties remain a precondition
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for the restoration of their original oppositional function, provided that
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the effort to transcend their often self imposed limitations is
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intense A five.
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Wait, I need to I need to chew on that. Sorry,
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i'mah yeah, I'm rolling that around a little bit.
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All right.
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I'll if he's talking about the unit, if he's specifically
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talking about the United States, he may just be talking
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about how you you start by a revolution and then
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basically you maybe your restoration of the original oppositional function.
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Provided that the effort to transcend their limitations is intensified,
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it reverts back to it. All right.
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Yeah, So you have these liberties, you're bumping up against opposition,
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you know, the the proverbial bumpers. And the more you
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bump up against the limitations imposed, the more intense the
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bumping gets. I get it.
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Generally, the function and value of tolerance depend on the
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quality prevalent in the society in which tolerance is practiced.
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Tolerance itself stands subject to overriding criteria, Its range, and
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its limits cannot be defined in terms of the respective society.
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In other words, tolerance is an end in itself only
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when it is truly universal, practiced by the rulers as
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well as by the rule, by the lords as well
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as by the peasants, by the sheriffs as well as
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by their victims.
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Once again, that's called culture. It's not tolerance. That's culture,
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fucking libs.
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And such universal tolerance as possible only when no real
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or alleged enemy requires in the national interest the education
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and training of people in military violence and destruction.
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Yeah, acab.
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As long as these conditions do not prevail, the conditions
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of tolerance are loaded. They are determined and defined by
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the institutionalized inequality, which is certainly compatible with constitutional equality,
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i e. By the class structure of society. In such
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a society, tolerance is de facto limited on the dual
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ground of legalized violence or suppression police, armed forces, guards
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of all sorts, and of the privileged position held by
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the predominant interests and their connections.
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I see no issue whatsoever.
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Once again, these background limitations of tolerance are normally prior
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to the explicit and judicial limitationations as defined by the courts, customs, governments,
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et cetera. For example, quote unquote clear and present danger,
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threat to national security. Heresy, Ye can't yell nigger in
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a movie theater? Well, now I know, now I know
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which little preview clip is not going to be on
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YouTube within the framework such.
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I'm saying, don't say that.
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Within the framework of such, they wouldn't be able to
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hear you anyway. Damn it. Oh, within the framework of
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of such a social structure, tolerance can be safe. Tolerance
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can be safely practiced and proclaimed. It is of two kinds.
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The passive toleration of entrench and established attitudes and ideas,
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even if they're damaging effect on man and nature is evident.
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And the active official tolerance granted to the right as
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well as to the left, to movements of aggression as
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well as to movements of peace, to the party of
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hate as well as to that of humanity.
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Yep, that's right. That's now we're getting into it, this
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whole idea that you know, those those cultural bumpers that
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I was talking about. You need a bumper on the right,
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but you need to remove the bumper on the left.
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So that way the direction, as you know, as you
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and I and everybody else have said, the direction can
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only go one way. That's that's what he's calling for.
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I call this nonpartisan tolerance abstract or pure inasmuch as
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it refrains from taking sides, but in doing so it
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actually protects the already established machinery of the discrimination.
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That's right, Silence is violence.
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The tolerance, which enlarged the range and content of freedom
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was always partisan, intolerant towards the protagonists of the repressive
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status quo. The issue was only the degree and extent
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of intolerance. In the firmly established liberal society of England
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and the United States, freedom of speech and assembly was
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granted even to the radical enemies of society, provided they
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did not make the transition from word to deed, from
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speech to action. Remember the I forget who was it was?
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It was, Chris Cuomo said on CNN during the summers
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of twenty twenty. Where does it say in law that
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the protesters can't get violent? As it's right here in
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the constitution, It's like right right there.
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Yeah, that's probably a lot of places in the criminal
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code I imagine too sure, But yeah, I know that's
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you know, tolerance of repressive structures is in itself intolerant. Therefore,
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the direction can only move left because left means destroying
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oppressive power structures, and the right means keeping them or
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building them.
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Yeah, I wish.
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All right. Relying on the effective background limitations imposed by
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its class structure, the society seemed to practice general tolerance.
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But liberalists theory had already placed an important condition on tolerance.
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It was to apply only to human beings in the
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maturity of their faculties. John Stuart millt Yeah, where is
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this going that again? Then? But liberalist theory has already
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placed an important condition on tolerance. It was to apply
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only to human beings in the maturity of their faculties.
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I don't know if I want to be frank for
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school anymore, pete.
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John Stuart Mill does not only speak of children and minors.
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He elaborates liberty as a principle has no application to
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any state of things anterior to the time when mankind
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have become capable of being improved by free and equal discussion.
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Anterior to that time, men may still be barbarians, and
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despotism is a legitimate mode of government in dealing with barbarians,
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provided the end of the end be their improvement, and
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the means justified by actually affecting that end. We're going
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to make men better.
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Yeah, I mean you you have to have whatever whatever
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you need to do to benefit the condition of mankind.
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If that means a dictatorship, if that means a police state,
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if that means you know, uh, a military industrial complex
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with a health a health care industrial complex with it.
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If that is what you need to get to this
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betterment of mankind, then it is what it is. That's
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That's not what markc Use is saying, but that's what
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Mills said.
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Mills often quoted words have a less familiar implication, on
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which their meaning depends the internal connection between liberty and truth.
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There's a sense in which truth is the end of liberty,
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and liberty must be defined and confined by truth. Yeah. Now,
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in what sense can liberty be for the sake of truth?
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Liberty is self determination autonomy That is almost a tautology,
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but a tautology which results from a whole series of
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synthetic judgments.
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Wow, I like where this is going.
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It stipulates the ability to determine one's own life, to
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be able to determine what to do and what not
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to do, what to suffer and whatnot. But the subject
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of this autonomy is never the contingent private individual as
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that which he actually is or happens to be. It
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is rather the individual as a human being who is
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capable of being free with the others.
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So this is getting into just Frankfurt School socialism's whole
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end goal is the pursuit of self actualization. It's the
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removal of any impediment in that pursuit. So whether that
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be material or cultural, which is what the Frankfurt School
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focuses on, any any type of impediment towards self actualization.
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How this, how this connects back to repressive toll. This
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idea of repressive tolerance is that you need you need
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some type of practice, and he's going to get into
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practice later, but some type of practice to remove those impediments,
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meaning people like us, out of your way towards self actualization.
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And the problem of making possible such a harmony between
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every individual liberty and the other is not that of
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finding a compromise between competitors, or between freedom and law,
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between general and individual interest, common and private welfare in
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an estatelish society, but of creating the society in which
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man is no longer enslaved by institutions which vitiate, which vitiate, vitiate?
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I swear I know that word self determination from the beginning.
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Let's go down and let me see that word apreciate. Yeah,
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to make ineffective. Okay, Yeah, So basically lazada, But of
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creating the society in which man is no longer enslaved
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by institutions which make ineffective self determination from the beginning.
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In other words, freedom is still to be created, even
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for the freest of the existing societies. And the direction
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in which it must be sought, and the institutional and
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cultural changes which may help to attain the goal, are
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at least in development, in developed civilization, comprehensible. That is
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to say, they can be identified and projected on the
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basis of experience by human reason.
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You can point to an oppressive structure and say that
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is inhibiting my pursuit of self actualization.
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It opens It just throws open the doors to basically
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any anything being repressive, anything be anything, anything I can
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think of is stopping my self. Realism is permanent. Yes, yes,
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In the interplay of theory and practice, true and false
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solutions become distinguishable, never with the evidence of necessity, never
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as the positive only with a certainty of a reasoned
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and reasonable chance, and with the persuasive force of the negative.
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For the true positive is the society of the future,
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and therefore beyond definition and determination, while the existing positive
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is that which must be surmounted, open ended, progressive is open.
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There is no there is no goal. We have this goal.
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It's completely unachievable, but we are going to strive to
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do it. And it doesn't matter how many tangents or
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rabbit drills it goes up.
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I mean, we see this playing out every single day.
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Once they get one thing they want, then it's onto
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the next.
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But the experience and understanding of the existence of the
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existence society may well be capable of identifying what is
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not conducive to a free and rational society, which impedes
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and distorts the possibilities of its creation. Freedom is liberation
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a specific historical process in theory and practice, and as
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such it has its right and wrong, its truth and falsehood.
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So one thing that the Frankfurt School kind of improved
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upon Orthodox Marxism is that it's a lot less rigid
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in defining the historical process and these stages of history
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they're they're a lot more vague about it, and you
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can see this, I mean those that the last paragraph
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that you just read is talking about this prop this
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arduous march towards true freedom. It really has no beginning
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and endpoint. It's just a constant cycle. And I've listened
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to a couple of podcasters talking about this.
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But uh, like.
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What the actual end goal is is? It depends on
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depends on who you talk to. I mean, we we
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did a reading of uncal Ted and the the end
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goal is you know, you're you're a meat you're transhumanist
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meatbag battery.
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Yeah. The uncertainty of chance in this distinction does not
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cancel the historical objectivity, but it necessitates freedom of thought
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and expression as preconditions of finding the way to freedom.
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It necessitates tolerance. How However, the tolerance cannot be indiscriminate
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and equal with respect to the contents of expression, neither
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in word nor Indeed, it cannot protect false words and
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wrong deeds which demonstrate that they contradict and counteract the
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possibilities of liberation.
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That's right, that's the terms of service you signed a party.
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Such indiscriminate tolerance is justified in harmless debates, in conversation
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and academic discussion. It is indispensable in the scientific enterprise,
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in private religion, but society cannot be indiscriminate where the
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pacification of existence, where the freedom and happiness themselves are
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at stake. Here, certain things cannot be said, Certain ideas
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cannot be expressed, Certain policies cannot be proposed, Certain behavior
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cannot be permitted without making tolerance an instrument for the
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continuation of servitude. Man, I totally agree, Man, this, I mean,
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you know, and then I've been really it's really hard
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to like for me to sit down and read a
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thousand page book, but I've really been pouring over the
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authoritarian personality by Adorno and oh this is this is all.
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It's just all right. The danger of destructive tolerance, of
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benevolent neutrality towards art has been recognized. The market, which
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absorbs equally well, equally well, although with often quite sudden
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fluctuations art, anti art and non art, all possible conflicting
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styles schools forms, provides a complacent receptacle, a friendly abyss
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in which the radical impact of art, the protest of
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art against the establishment reality, is swallowed up.
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Yeah. If everything's if everything is permitted, then nothing can
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be radical.
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Yeah, However, censorship of art and literature is regressive under
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all circumstances. The authentic of war? Is it of war?
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Or how the hell do you pronounce that? I should
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have left that up before I read and just jump
534
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over and read let Me Go twenty one? A work
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of art, music, or literature. It's a French word, of course,
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where is it? There are cases where an authentic piece
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of art carries a regressive political message. Dostoyevsky is a
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case in point. But then the message is canceled by
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the work of art itself. The regressive political content is
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absorbed in the artistic work, in the work as literature.
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Is that saying that is he saying in this paragraph
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that once art that art can be, can be completely
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you know, revolutionary, but as soon as it's accepted, you know,
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like you know how you had artists in the sixties
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who are just doing just absolute garbage and it was like, oh,
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you know, like like Andy Warhol was a complete degenerate, yeah,
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and then all of a sudden, all these rich people
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discovered him, and now it's not so edgy anymore. Is
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that is is that the message is being relayed? Here
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is how it just something can be revolutionary, but then
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it just becomes what it is, a piece of art,
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a piece of literature.
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Yeah, I guess in a in a truly tolerant society
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where anything goes, then you know, even even if you
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do put up you know, take take four Chan for like,
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four Chan would be Marcus's Dostoyevski. If everything's permitted on
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four Chan, then you, as a four chan consumer, like,
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aren't going to be inspired by really anything on it.
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M hmm, yeah, m all right, here we go. Tolerance
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of free speech is the way of improvement, of progress
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and liberation, not because there is no objective truth and
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improvement must necessarily be a compromise between a variety of opinions,
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but because there is an objective truth which can be
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discovered ascertained only in learning and comprehending that which, that
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which is, and that which can and ought to be
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done for the sake of improving the lot of mankind.
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It's just it's funny, how it's I wish we were
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we had as much certain certainty and just like fanatic
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belief in what our outlook on what improving mankind looks like.
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That thoughts like that were made illegal in the late
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nineteen forties. Yeah, yeah, made very criminal. Yes, the common
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and historical ought is not immediately evident at hand. It
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has to be uncovered by cutting, through splitting, breaking asunder
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the given material, separating right and wrong, good and bad,
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correct and incorrect. The subject whose improvement depends on a
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progressive historical practice is each man as man. And this
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universality is reflected in that of the discussion, which a
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priori does not exclude any group or individual.
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So let me see if I can parse this out.
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This is painful. There is an objective way to arrive
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at truth, and it's through the It's through the process
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of critical analysis. Is that basically what he's saying. Sure,
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we imagine, imagine that that just happens to be the
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thing that he went, that he studied for his entire life.
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But even the all inclusive character of liberalist tolerance was,
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at least in theory, based on the proposition that men were
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potential individuals who could learn to hear and see and
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feel by themselves, to develop their own thoughts, to grasp
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their own true interests and rights and capabilities. Also again
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established authority and opinion.
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Yeah, but what if they agree with it. What then,
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what if they like established authority an opinion? Well, or
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what if what if the critical theorists become the established
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authority and opinion.
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This was the rationale of free speech and assembly. Universal
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toleration became questionable. Becomes questionable when it's rationale no longer
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prevails when tolerance is administered to manipulated and doctrinated individuals
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who parrot as their own the opinions of their masters,
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for whom he heteronomy has become autonomy. The telos of
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tolerance is truth. It is clear from the historical record
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that the author nic spokesman of tolerance had more and
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other truth in mind than that of propositional logic and
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academic theory. Former libertarians chuckle John Stuart Mills speaks of
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the truth which is persecuted in history, and which does
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not triumph over persecution by virtue of its inherent power,
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which in fact has no inherent power against the dungeon
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and the steak.
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Yeah, I quoted me, and they're still hitting me.
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And he enumerates the truths which were cruelly and successfully
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liquidated in the dungeons, and at the stake that of
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Arnold of Brescia, of fraud, Dulcino, of Sabon, of the
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alb Albigensians, valdenz Ians, Lollards, and Hussites.
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So a bunch of like fringe h Christian sex.
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Yeah, I guess that's what's funny. Is Yachi in imperium
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mentioned soeign many times? Tolerance is first and foremost for
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the sake of the heretics. The historical roads towards humanitas
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appears as heresy, target of persecution by the powers that be.
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Heresy by itself, however, is no token of truth. Well
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that that makes sense.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The criterion of progress in freedom, according to which Mill
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judges these movements is the Reformation. The evaluation is ex post,
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and his list includes opposites. Nourala two would have been
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would have burned the fraud Dulcino. Even the ex post
625
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evaluation is contestable as to its truth. History corrects the
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judgment too late. The correction. The correction does not help
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the victims and does not absolve their executioners. However, the
628
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:22.679
lesson is clear. Intolerance has delayed progress and has prolonged
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the slaughter and torture of innocence for hundreds of years.
630
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Does this does this clinch the case for indiscriminate pure tolerance.
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Are there historical conditions in which such toleration impedes liberation
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and multitudes and multiplies the victims who are sacrificed to
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the status quo. Can the indiscriminate guarantee of political rights
634
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and liberties be repressive? Can such tolerance serve to contain
635
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.800
qualitative social change?
636
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Why didn't he just start off with that? We got
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to skip that into higher page. It just read read
638
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up to those questions you just ask.
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He has to do a little religion bashing. They always do.
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I shall discuss this question only with reference to political movements, attitudes,
641
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schools of thought, philosophies which are political in the wildest sense,
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affecting the whole the society as a whole, demonstrably transcending
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the sphere of privacy. Moreover, I propose a shift in
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the focus of the discussion. It will be concerned not
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only and not primarily with tolerance towards radical extremes, minorities, subversives, etc.
646
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But rather with tolerance towards majorities, toward official and public opinion,
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toward the established protectors of freedom. In this case, the
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discussion can have as a frame of reference only a
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democratic society in which the people as individuals and as
650
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members of political and other organizations participate in the making, sustaining,
651
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and changing policies. In an authoritarian system that people do
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not tolerate, they suffer established policies.
653
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All right, Well, that's convenient.
654
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Yeah, under yeah, the road you know, I mean, oh,
655
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that road is thorny. I think I'll take this one
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over here. Under a system of constitutionally guaranteed and generally
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and without too many and too glaring exceptions, practice, civil
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rights and liberties, opposition and dissent are tolerated unless they
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issue in violence and or in exhortation to an organization
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of violent subversion.
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I'm with them.
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The underlying assumption is that the established society is free,
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and that any improvement, even a change in the social
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structure and social values, would come about in the normal
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course of events, prepared to find and tested in free
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and equal discussion on the open marketplace of ideas and goods.
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That's how it works. Which I'm happy he's like saying
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that that's stupid.
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Yeah.
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Now, In recalling John John Stuart Mill's passage, I drew
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attention to the premise hidden in this assumption. Free and
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equal discussion can fulfill the function attributed to it only
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if it is rational expression and development of independent thinking,
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free from induc indoctrination, manipulation, extraneous authority. The notion of
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pluralism and countervailing powers is no substitute for this requirement.
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One might, in theory, construct a state in which a
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multitude of different pressures, interests, and authorities balance each other
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out and result in a truly general and rational interest.
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That's the foundation myth.
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However, such a construct badly fits a society in which
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powers are and remain unequal, and even increase their unequal
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weight when they run their own course.
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So sometimes a free exchange of ideas doesn't go in
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the direction you wanted to. That could be bad.
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Sometimes I think he understands elite theory, and sometimes I'm
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just like, what the hell is he? Where's he going
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with this? Yeah?
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I mean, we all see what happens when the free
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and open exchange of information, like the actual free and
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open exchange of information happens. The characteristics of whatever platform
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that's happening on inevitably comes far right, even yep, yep,
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without a doubt then you to start tamping down on
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all these fucking cell phone videos, cell phone videos and
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pop us subways.
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And I mean, am I the only one who you
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know realizes that, like Twitter has become world star hip
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hop world star?
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Yeah? I would like to think that Elon has something
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to do with that, or it could just be that
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he got rid of whatever the whatever, the algorithm, what
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whatever the algorithmic guard against that he just got rid of.
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And this is you know, organic.
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Whatever it is. I'm liking it, well, not liking some
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of those videos I can't watch, but at least the
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exposure is there. Then then the if it fits, it
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fits even worse with a variety of pressures, unifies and
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coagulates into an overwhelming whole, integrating the particular countervailing powers
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by virtue of an increased standard of living and an
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increasing concentration of power.
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Yeah, which is where we're at right now, Well maybe
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not right now, where the material conditions right now are
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still pretty good. Everybody more than likely has food, water,
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easy access to food, water, clothing, shelter, that type of thing.
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And then you know, if you really start thinking about
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what our luxuries we have access to, those two for
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the most part. And I mean this goes back to
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Ted kay. As that becomes cheaper and proliferated more, it's
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really easy to ignore the structural problems that are taking
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away your i mean your humanity in the background.
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Yeah, as you participate them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's I've said this a bunch of times. But
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the more people I talked to who are leaving cities
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and going and you know, even buying a half an
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acre or an acre in the country and you know, saying, hey,
726
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:20.440
I'm gonna grow some of my own food and maybe
727
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:23.920
get a couple of chickens. These are people who they
728
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:27.360
may not even know what Uncle Ted taught, but they're
729
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:31.679
going backwards in order to go forwards.
730
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It's it's uh, it makes me think of Julius Evola.
731
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It's some something is transcendent.
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00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:51.239
Yeah, what it was Evola thing, I've stolen it. My
733
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:54.159
my values are that which were be normal before seventeen
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eighty nine.
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Yeah.
736
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Then the laborer whose real interest conflicts with that of management,
737
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.039
the common consumer whose real interests conflict with that of
738
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.760
the producer, the intellectual whose vocation conflicts with that of
739
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:14.480
his employer, find themselves submitted to a system against which
740
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:19.679
they are powerless and appear unreasonable. That's a great sentence,
741
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:25.599
oh bit, such a great sentence. Okay, the ideas of
742
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:30.880
the available alternatives evaporates into an utterly utopian dimension in
743
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.719
which it is at home for a free for a
744
00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:38.760
free society is indeed unrealistically and undefinably different from the
745
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:45.880
existing ones. Under these circumstances, whatever improvement may occur in
746
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.639
the normal course of events and without subversion, is likely
747
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.320
to be improvement in the direction determined by the particular
748
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:55.280
interests which control the whole.
749
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:57.280
Oh yeah, mark us who are.
750
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:05.920
Ah By the same token, those minorities which strive for
751
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:10.400
a change of the whole itself, will, under optimal conditions
752
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:14.599
which rarely prevail, be left free to deliberate and discuss,
753
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:18.519
to speak, into assemble, and will be left harmless and
754
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:22.519
helpless in the face of the overwhelming majority which militates
755
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:25.840
against qualitative social change.
756
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:29.039
Yeah, you're allowed to talk about whatever you want. It's
757
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just it's not going to happen.
758
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:37.159
He Let me, let me see something here, looking at
759
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:45.119
early early years of Marcus. Okay, I'll leave that alone.
760
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:46.440
We'll talk about that.
761
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:49.480
I couldn't find anything in any early life check.
762
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:57.880
Oh it's it's right there. Oh yeah, second sent second
763
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:07.920
sent okay, control by the same token those manner did
764
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.280
I already say that sentence?
765
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:16.639
By the same token those minorities which strive for a change.
766
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:20.559
I don't think I gonna, I'll say it, I'll go No, No,
767
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.079
I haven't said it. Okay, by the same token, those
768
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:26.320
minorities which strive for a change of the whole itself
769
00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:29.519
will under optimal conditions which were oh no, I did
770
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:30.079
say that one.
771
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:31.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:35.760
This majority is firmly grounded in the increasing satisfaction of
773
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:41.079
needs and technological and mental coordination, which testify to the
774
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:46.239
general helplessness of radical groups in a well functioning social system.
775
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:52.360
Huh.
776
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:57.440
Within the affluent democracy, the affluent discussion prevails, and within
777
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:01.239
the established framework it is tole are. To a large extent,
778
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:05.079
all points of view can be heard, the communist and
779
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.920
the fascist, the left and the right, the right and
780
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:12.880
the negro, the crusaders for armament and for disarmament, moreover,
781
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:17.679
and endlessly dragging debates over the media. The stupid opinion
782
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:21.320
is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one.
783
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:25.079
The misinformed may talk as long as the informed, and
784
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:29.960
propaganda rides along with education, truth and falsehood.
785
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:35.559
So at the apex of American civilization, you can kind
786
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:39.360
of define that by you know, all those I forget
787
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:41.639
what it's called, but the roundtable show where they have
788
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:44.880
somebody from the right, somebody from the left, the fascist,
789
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.320
the communist, and they're all just having a calm conversation.
790
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:53.840
That is the apex in material condition of America. Now
791
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:58.840
what do you have? This pure talk? Well, good, but
792
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:03.480
whether it's good or not, it's just an indication as
793
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.280
to how well your civilization is doing.
794
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.920
This pure toleration of sense and nonsense is justified by
795
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:16.119
the democratic argument that nobody, neither group nor individual is
796
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.119
in possession of the truth and capable of defining what
797
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:24.320
is right and wrong, good and bad. Therefore, all contesting
798
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:28.320
opinions must be submitted to the people for its deliberation
799
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:32.400
and choice. But I have already suggested that the democratic
800
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:36.639
argument implies a necessary condition, namely that the people must
801
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:41.960
be must be capable of deliberating and choosing on the
802
00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:46.320
basis of knowledge, that they must have access to authentic information,
803
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:50.239
and that on this basis their evaluation must be the
804
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:56.239
result of autonomous thought. So deliberating and choosing on the
805
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:58.639
basis of knowledge. They basically said, first of all, they
806
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:00.000
have to be smart and not be a fucking one.
807
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:04.559
Are on, we do this all the time.
808
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:09.639
Yeah, And then stepp Bee comes in and just frigging
809
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:16.880
makes us all feel like idiots. They must have access
810
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:21.719
to authentic information, doesn't mention what that authentic information is, uh,
811
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.239
And that on their basis, their evaluation must be the
812
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:28.239
result of autonomous thought. So this is somebody who's lived
813
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:32.199
it has never been taught how to think what to think?
814
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:35.920
I mean, we're in friggin fantasy land here.
815
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:41.719
It's the source. I saw it in a dream.
816
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:46.440
It was a fever dream though all right. In the
817
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:51.000
contemporary period, the democratic argument for abstract tolerance tends to
818
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:55.480
be invalidated by the invalidation of the democratic process itself.
819
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:00.480
The liberating force of democracy was the change, was the
820
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.519
chance it gave to effective dissent on the individual as
821
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:08.559
well as its social scale. Its openness to qualitatively different
822
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:13.719
forms of government, of culture, education, work of the human
823
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:19.599
existence in general, The toleration of free discussion and the
824
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:24.239
equal right of opposites. Was to define and clarify the
825
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:30.480
different forms of descent, their direction, content prospect. But with
826
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:34.679
the concentration of economic and political power and the integration
827
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:38.000
of opposites in a society which uses technology as an
828
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:42.920
instrument of domination, effective descent is blocked where it could
829
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:49.480
freely emerge in the formation of opinion, in information and communication,
830
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:51.679
in speech and assembly.
831
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:55.239
Yep, Uncle Ted and Mark hus one of the.
832
01:00:55.159 --> 01:01:04.480
Same when he says here, well, the integration of opposites
833
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:06.639
in a society, what's he talking about?
834
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:12.159
Oh, just the ability of the fascists and the communists
835
01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:17.320
to sit down and have a conversation mm hm, which
836
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:20.239
I'm guessing at the time he was writing. I mean,
837
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:24.880
what the hell was that show with? Was Buchanan on it?
838
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:29.880
Oh? The McLachlan group, Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah.
839
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:33.119
I mean that was probably the apex of society when
840
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:33.679
that was on.
841
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:35.360
I used to watch it all the time. I watched
842
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:36.960
it up until like two thousand and nine, two thousand
843
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.480
and ten. Yeah, I was obsessed with it. I couldn't
844
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:42.159
couldn't have that. Yeah, no, at least not in any
845
01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:45.440
man I think. Yeah, I think it does actually exist now.
846
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:47.239
I don't think Buchanan's on it. I think there's a
847
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:50.320
new version of it. But I mean, I just I
848
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:53.559
can't wake up at nine thirty on us. I'm doing
849
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:55.840
other nine thirty on Sunday morning. I'm getting to I'm
850
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:59.199
getting ready to go somewhere else, all right. Under the
851
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:03.760
rule of monopolistic media themselves, the mere instruments of economic
852
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:08.360
and political power. That's good.
853
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.199
So this is the critique that we hear all the
854
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:13.400
time of the legacy media, I mean, the corporate press,
855
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:17.960
in the context of what the Internet did to them,
856
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:22.400
they did have a monopolistic stranglehold on the flow of information.
857
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:27.360
You know, what choices you're you're given at the ballot
858
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:34.000
box are determined, you know, by the cathedral. He's he's described,
859
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:36.960
he's describing, you know that as it's happening.
860
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:42.960
Under the rule of monopolistic media themselves, the mere instruments
861
01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:46.719
of economic and political power, a mentality is created for
862
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:50.320
which right and wrong, true and false are pre defined
863
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:57.159
wherever they affect the vital interests of the society. This
864
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:02.239
is prior to all expression and community. A matter of semantics,
865
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:06.239
the blocking of effective descent of the recognition of that
866
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:09.119
which is not of the establishment, which begins in the
867
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:14.639
language that is publicized and administered the meaning of words
868
01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:21.320
is rigidly stabilized, and I would say, now the meaning
869
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:25.119
of words it is actively distorted.
870
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:30.880
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's yeah. He's he's a little
871
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:35.280
behind the times. He's a little too modernist. Just him
872
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:39.400
talking about objective truth at all. Yeah, that's that's like
873
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:46.840
a early frank like early Frankfurt school sixties characteristic.
874
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:52.920
Yeah. Yeah, the nineteen forty six Orwell essay politics and
875
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:57.000
the English language. I mean it's twenty almost twenty years
876
01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.840
before this. Orwell's talking about the distortion language at that point,
877
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:06.960
how it basically means nothing. And academic agent Nima calls
878
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:12.760
him says, how most political language and journalistic language is
879
01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:21.079
loaded with thought terminating cliches. Yeah yeah, or these cliches
880
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:23.119
are just fed in there, and it's like, oh, I
881
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:25.360
know exactly what to mean now, I don't have to
882
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:28.159
think anymore. I know exactly. I know exactly what to
883
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:28.639
think now.
884
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:37.719
I was just reading a critical review of Imperium, and I,
885
01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:41.000
I guess I couldn't really, I couldn't really put it
886
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:45.639
into words to articulate like that that exact thing you
887
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:48.639
just said, thought terminating just phrases.
888
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:55.039
That's what the the person who was writing the Yeah critique.
889
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:59.159
The entire time he was doing the review, it was
890
01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:03.880
just cliche cliches. Yeah did in early life check on
891
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:04.559
him too, and.
892
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:12.480
Rational persuasion. Persuasion to the opposite is all but precluded.
893
01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:15.840
The avenues of entrance are closed to the meaning of
894
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:19.920
words and ideas other than the established one established by
895
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:23.079
the publicity of the powers to be and verified in
896
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:27.719
their practices. Other words can be spoken and heard, other
897
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.840
ideas can be expressed, but at the massive scale of
898
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:36.039
the conservative majority. Outside such enclaves as the intelligentsia, they
899
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:42.199
are immediately evaluated, i e. Automatically understood in terms of
900
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:46.599
the public language, a language which determines a priori the
901
01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:53.000
direction in which the thought process moves. I can I'm not.
902
01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:58.039
I want to disagree, but I can't. I can't.
903
01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:03.400
We I mean, that's where we're we're slipping down the
904
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:07.199
slope from the things that he's talking about in his
905
01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:11.760
day right now, like we are still sliding down that slope.
906
01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:14.960
You know, the ability to think three steps ahead in
907
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:19.400
terms of policy and just in terms of introducing ideas
908
01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:24.840
to the mainstream, the direction that that's going to, that
909
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:28.360
that they're going to take. Now it goes back to
910
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:32.000
the old trope that there are no conspiracy theorists anymore.
911
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:37.480
Yeah, so we're gonna do about another another page here,
912
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:39.599
and then we'll cut it and cut it and uh,
913
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:42.119
we'll do the rest, do the rest another episode. This
914
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:44.239
is just take two episodes. In the beginning of this,
915
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:46.320
when we were stopping every sentence, I'm like, oh man,
916
01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:50.880
this is going to take ten episodes. All right, But
917
01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:54.719
that's the process of reflection. And that's the process of
918
01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:57.760
reflection ends where it started in the given conditions and
919
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:02.199
relations self validated. The argument of the discussion repels the
920
01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:09.079
contradiction because the antithesis is redefined in terms of the thesis. Yeah,
921
01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:13.639
I get it. Yeah, well it's like begging the question,
922
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:16.400
like the begging the question fallacy, Yeah, or.
923
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:22.960
Just controlling the opposition speaking all you know, referring to
924
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:27.960
your opposition to say a cultural trope in the exact
925
01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:31.920
terms of the enemy, the exact terms the enemy gave
926
01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:34.320
to you in order to talk about it.
927
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:40.599
For example, thesis we work for peace and to and
928
01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:45.760
to antithesis, Why did I want to say anti anti thesis,
929
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:51.079
so that for example, thesis we work for peace antithesis
930
01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:55.599
we prepare for war or even we wage war. Unification
931
01:07:55.679 --> 01:08:01.840
of opposites. Preparing for war is working for peace. Piece
932
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:06.280
is redefined as necessary as necessarily in the prevailing situation,
933
01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:10.679
including preparation for war or even war or even war,
934
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:14.320
And in this Orwellian form, the meaning of the word
935
01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:20.159
piece is stabilized. Thus, the basic vocabulary of the Orwellian
936
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:28.359
language operates as a priori categories of understanding, all pre forming,
937
01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:34.960
all content. These conditions invalidate the logic of tolerance, which
938
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:38.960
involves the rational development of meaning and precludes the closing
939
01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:44.199
of meaning. Consequently, persuasion through discussion and the equal presentation
940
01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:49.039
of opposites even where it is really equal, easily lose
941
01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:52.880
their liberating force as factors of understanding and learning. They
942
01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:56.920
are far more likely to strengthen and the established thesis
943
01:08:56.960 --> 01:08:59.359
and to repel the alternatives. I can't argue with them
944
01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:03.920
on any of this. No, this is is, in fact
945
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:04.640
what they do.
946
01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:08.640
He's not telling us what we don't already know. But
947
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:11.199
I guess at the time it was cool to notice
948
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:13.239
he was doing a little noticing himself.
949
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:19.159
Yeah, I wonder if you ever searched out his early
950
01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:25.199
nevermind impartiality to the utmost equal treatment of competing and
951
01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:29.439
conflicting issues is indeed a basic requirement for decision making
952
01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:30.960
in the democratic process.
953
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:32.800
Here's why that's wrong.
954
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:37.720
It is an equally basic requirement for defining the limits
955
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:44.880
of tolerance. But in a democracy with totalitarian organization, objectivity
956
01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:48.960
may fulfill a very different function, namely to foster a
957
01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:52.159
mental attitude which tends to obliterate the difference between true
958
01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:58.840
and false information and indoctrination right and wrong. In fact,
959
01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:02.720
the decision between opposed opinions has been made, has been
960
01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:06.520
made before the presentation and discussion get under way, made
961
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:09.680
not by a conspiracy or a sponsor or a publisher,
962
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:13.399
not by any dictatorship, but rather by the normal course
963
01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:16.199
of events, which is the course of administered events, and
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by the mentality shaped in this course. Here too, it
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is the whole which determines the truth. I'm people who
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have never read stuff like this, like when we were
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01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:38.520
reading when we read A State and Revolution. You know
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all the people in the comments who are like, holy crap,
969
01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:47.319
I agree with so much of this. Here too, it
970
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:50.560
is the whole which determines the truth. Then the decision
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01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:55.760
asserts itself without any open violation of objectivity in such
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01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:58.760
things as the makeup of a newspaper, with the breaking
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01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:03.199
up of vital information into bits interspersed between extraneous material,
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01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:08.399
irrelevant items, relegating of some radically negative news to an
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01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:16.119
obscure place, in the juxtaposition of gorgeous ads with unmitigated horrors,
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01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:19.840
and the introduction and interruption of the broadcasting of facts
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01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:22.239
by overwhelming commercials.
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01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:29.359
That's my timeline. Just describe My timeline is man made
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01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:33.319
horrors beyond your comprehension. You can then an add for
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01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:38.600
some like cool gifts for your for your wedding.
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01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:43.560
Party, green anarchists, or have been all over this for
982
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:47.880
so long. I mean, this is a conversation. Bellamy could
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01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:53.760
be preaching this right now. The result is a neutralization
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01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:57.640
of opposites, a neutralization, however, which takes place on the
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01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:01.600
firm grounds of the structural limitation of tolerance and within
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01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:05.840
a pre formed mentality. When a magazine prints side by
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01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:09.159
side a negative and positive report on the FBI, it
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01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:14.600
fulfills honestly the requirements of objectivity. However, the chances are
989
01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:18.119
that a positive that the positive wins, because the image
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01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:21.640
of the institution is deeply engraved in the mind of
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01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:22.199
the people.
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01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:26.560
Yeah. No, I mean if you think about it practically
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01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:31.359
on an individual level, Let's say something hurt. Let's say
994
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:37.720
I don't know, nine to eleven to two happens, and
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01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:41.720
then at the same time there the article is in
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01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:44.720
one column for that, and then the article right next
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01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:49.760
to it is, you know, pictures of tits. You know, like,
998
01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:53.000
I'm not going to feel anything about nine to eleven
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01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:55.920
two because I'm going to read that and say, wow,
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01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:58.479
that's awful, and then I'm going to look at tits
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01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:01.119
and then I'm going to walk away feeling kind of
1002
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:03.479
bad about nine to eleven two, but probably not as
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01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:07.079
bad as I could conceivably be, not bad enough to
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01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:10.319
do anything about it.
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01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:15.479
Or if a newscaster reports the torture and murder of
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01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:19.000
civil rights workers in the same unemotional tone he uses
1007
01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:22.079
to describe the stock market or the weather, or with
1008
01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:25.479
the same great emotion with which he says as commercials,
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01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:30.960
then such objectivity is spurious. More, it offends against humanity
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01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.479
and truth by being calm where no one where one
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01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:37.720
should be enraged, by refraining from accusation where accusation is
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01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:41.319
the fact is in the fact themselves.
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01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:49.199
Yeah, yeah, I get what he's saying. It's psychological.
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01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:54.800
The toleration expressed in such impartiality serves to minimize or
1015
01:13:54.840 --> 01:14:02.319
even absolve prevailing intolerance and suppression. If objectivity has to
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01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:04.960
do with truth, and if truth is more than a
1017
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:08.479
matter of logic and science, then this kind of objectivity
1018
01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:14.239
is false, and this kind of tolerance inhuman. And if
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01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:17.760
it is necessary to break the established universe of meaning
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01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:21.199
and the practiced and closed in this universe in order
1021
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:23.800
to enable man to find out what is true and false,
1022
01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:31.560
this deceptive impartiality would have to be abandoned. The people
1023
01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:35.880
exposed to this impartiality are no tabula rasa. They are
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01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:40.720
indoctrinated by the conditions under which they live and think,
1025
01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:45.840
and which they do not transcend. Yeah, didn't you get
1026
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:48.800
what he's saying. Yeah, well, I mean it's interesting that
1027
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:59.279
he brings up tabula rossa because progressivism, it assumes every
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01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:01.479
prepos is, it presupposes.
1029
01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:05.039
Yeah, just not, I guess, just not in this case,
1030
01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:08.720
in the context of you know, propaganda.
1031
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:12.920
Well, no, in this case, the tabula rasa, which which
1032
01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:17.359
should have been from the very start, you know, probably
1033
01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:20.720
taken away from their parents who maybe Christians or Muslims
1034
01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:26.680
or or whatever, they're already poisoned. Yeah, yeah, so.
1035
01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:32.039
And then your average news watcher is yeah, definitely not
1036
01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:35.359
a blank slate to be filled.
1037
01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:39.359
All right, let's finish this. I think if we finished
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01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:44.840
these up to the right up to I think we
1039
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:46.840
finished this paragraph, it would be a good ending point,
1040
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:51.920
all right, to enable them to become autonomous, to find
1041
01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.159
by themselves what is true and what is false. For
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01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:57.159
men in the existing society, they would have to be
1043
01:15:57.199 --> 01:16:01.359
freed from the prevailing indoctrination, which is no longer recognized
1044
01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:05.359
as indoctrination. But this means that the trend would have
1045
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:08.880
to be reversed. They would have to get information slanted
1046
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:12.239
in the opposite direction. For the facts are never given
1047
01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:19.239
immediately and never accessible immediately. They are established, mediated by
1048
01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:23.760
those who made them. The truth, the whole truth quote
1049
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:28.760
unquote surpasses these facts and requires the rupture with their appearance.
1050
01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:34.560
This rupture, prerequisite and token of all freedom of thought
1051
01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:38.520
and of speech, cannot be accomplished within the established framework
1052
01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:43.640
of abstract tolerance and spurious objectivity, because they are precisely
1053
01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:48.279
the factors which precondition the mind against the rupture.
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01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:56.600
Yeah. Yeah, I guess if if we suddenly started seeing
1055
01:16:56.760 --> 01:17:06.239
journalists speak to people speak to us like they would
1056
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:10.159
in real life, it would probably blow our minds.
1057
01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:13.880
Yeah, it would be like.
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01:17:16.079 --> 01:17:20.760
Or just anybody on the Internet, because we're all purveyors
1059
01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:21.439
of information.
1060
01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:26.079
It's like if you're used to seeing and if you're
1061
01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:28.319
used to going to the zoo and seeing an animal
1062
01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:31.680
performed tricks, they'd be like seeing them in their natural
1063
01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:36.319
habitat where you're like, oh, they're actually really boring, and
1064
01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:39.680
then you realize, oh, wait a minit, they're putting on a performance.
1065
01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:41.600
It's a performance for me.
1066
01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:47.880
Yeah, I mean, it's it's always been an idea I've
1067
01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:52.000
had that you know that not I've had, but just
1068
01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:59.399
a popular idea that absolute tolerance can't work and can't
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01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:04.159
exist any ways, just because we we live in we
1070
01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:06.399
we we live in the system that we do, and
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01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:10.479
all the venues that can show that that are that
1072
01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:14.760
are bound by whatever whatever metrics of tolerance there is,
1073
01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:22.800
like social media, TV, news, pop culture whatever like there
1074
01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:28.680
there's it wouldn't work. It wouldn't work. Absolute tolerance wouldn't work,
1075
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:34.960
just not not on a practical level. And once you
1076
01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:38.239
kind of break through that that idea that tolerance is
1077
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:44.159
not good you can start to kind of fight back
1078
01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:47.359
against you know, while we we can't let Nazis at
1079
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:53.159
our protest because okay, well I can't let liberals at
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01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:59.680
my house. You know, they've they kind of just don't.
1081
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:02.159
I don't know, I don't know what I'm trying to say.
1082
01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:08.720
Five of these in well, give me your thoughts and
1083
01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:09.279
all boun.
1084
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:14.560
I mean, he makes the point that if his goals
1085
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:21.720
are going to be achieved, any thought, any action that
1086
01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:26.840
is against that would derail those goals needs to be repressed.
1087
01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:34.119
Yeah. And the goals are the destruction of oppressive structures.
1088
01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:44.359
Which some which could very simply be called hierarchies, aristocracies,
1089
01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:48.239
things like that. Yeah, which hierarchy, Yeah, which I think
1090
01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:49.720
are inherent in nature.
1091
01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:56.119
Yeah, absolutely there, but to the bottom left, they exist
1092
01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:58.640
to be destroyed.
1093
01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:05.000
Yep. All right, Well we'll pick this up again. Do
1094
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:07.399
you want to plug anything I was listening to this
1095
01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:11.159
episode today that I was actually supposed to be on
1096
01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:14.479
on on Exorcism.
1097
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:15.199
Yeah.
1098
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:17.600
Yeah. We just dropped an over the line episode on
1099
01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:22.039
Timeline Earth for our Patreon subscribers, if you want to
1100
01:20:22.119 --> 01:20:25.239
check that out. It's about exorcism and spiritual warfare, getting
1101
01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:31.760
into the history, the practice, the nuts and bolts. I
1102
01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:34.159
haven't I do need to come up with a Boystown
1103
01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:38.760
episode eventually. That's that's my personal spin off of Timeline Earth,
1104
01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:41.319
and I haven't done one in over a year because
1105
01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:45.399
I'm a piece of ship with a very demanding job.
1106
01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:50.920
Well, I think everyone appreciates you taking the time to
1107
01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:55.439
do this, and we'll we'll we'll talk about when we
1108
01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:59.399
can do part two and everything. Because I'm someone with
1109
01:20:59.479 --> 01:21:01.199
a with all of time on my hands and you're
1110
01:21:01.239 --> 01:21:04.039
someone with like no time on your hands. So and
1111
01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:06.279
you know, someone with a lot of time on their hands,
1112
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:09.520
like canceled at the last minute to be on that episode,
1113
01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:11.760
which I really wanted to be on. But you know
1114
01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:17.119
the reason why you forgive me because you've been there recently.
1115
01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:25.399
All right, man, until part two? Thank you. I want
1116
01:21:25.399 --> 01:21:28.960
to welcome everyone back to you the Pekana Show. Aaron.
1117
01:21:29.239 --> 01:21:30.600
Let's finish this out how you don't know?
1118
01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:32.520
So far, so good.
1119
01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:35.640
Let's do it all right, Let's get this up there
1120
01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:39.159
and just jump right in. I had to look up
1121
01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:41.479
exactly where we left off because you know, I'm not
1122
01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:48.000
gonna remember that ship So the last the last paragraph
1123
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:53.640
before we ended, I was talking about the people exposed
1124
01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:58.600
to talking about tabula rossa, people exposed to this and partiality.
1125
01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:02.239
There are no tabula ras so they are indoctrinaty, so indoctrination.
1126
01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:08.840
So all right, the factual barriers which totalitarian democracy erects
1127
01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:13.920
against the efficacy of qualitative dissent are weak and pleasant
1128
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:18.439
enough compared with the practices of a dictatorship which claims
1129
01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:20.600
to educate the people in the truth.
1130
01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:26.760
Huh. That's uh, yeah, I don't know if I agree
1131
01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:30.760
with full on dictatorship, but you know, whatever, we have,
1132
01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:33.600
whatever you would call it right now, that's that's the
1133
01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:40.680
main characteristic of the people of power. Yeah, I mean,
1134
01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:42.920
that's that's the disease of intellectualism.
1135
01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:49.920
Well, and what we have now is so they're they're
1136
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:52.159
claiming to educate the people and the truth. They have
1137
01:22:52.279 --> 01:22:58.000
the truth, and they are definitely at that drawing broadline
1138
01:22:58.359 --> 01:22:59.520
friend enemy distinction.
1139
01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:08.399
It's they've conspicuously taken on that task as heroically as
1140
01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:11.079
they can possibly make it. That, yes, this is their
1141
01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:16.680
rise on Detroit is to educate, educate the people and
1142
01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:19.600
the truth. And you see it every single day, whether
1143
01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:23.640
it's all meeting. I mean that's what we're doing too.
1144
01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:27.199
So I mean like, but when everybody is doing that,
1145
01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:32.199
then you have that's yeah, you have a diseased society.
1146
01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:35.760
Yeah. Yeah, if we if you have a society where
1147
01:23:36.359 --> 01:23:43.039
people are warring over what the truth is, your society
1148
01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:45.720
is completely as far to the left because you're existing
1149
01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:46.319
in chaos.
1150
01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:49.399
There's no order at all, even if the fight is
1151
01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:55.039
between objective truth and this you know, idea of subjective truth,
1152
01:23:55.840 --> 01:24:01.199
whatever subjective truth, whatever branch that gets off into for
1153
01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:07.479
for both sides. Yeah, we are. That's I would say
1154
01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:11.319
that would characterize this spiritual warfare that we're in. Then
1155
01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:13.239
I talked about the Patreon episode that you should buy
1156
01:24:13.279 --> 01:24:14.079
a tile on Earth.
1157
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:19.159
It's a good episode, all right, with all its limitations
1158
01:24:19.159 --> 01:24:24.479
and distortions. Democratic tolerance is, under all circumstances, more humane
1159
01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:29.479
than an institutionalized intolerance, which sacrifices the rights and liberties
1160
01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:33.600
of the living generations for the sake of the future generations.
1161
01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:40.640
All right, It is that a knock or is he
1162
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:42.319
just stating a fact?
1163
01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:47.600
With all its limitations and distortions, Democratic tolerances, under all circumstances,
1164
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:54.199
more humane than an institutionalized intolerance, which sacrifices the rights
1165
01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:57.319
and liberties of the living generations. Now, when he says that,
1166
01:24:57.399 --> 01:25:04.239
I immediately think of like what a like monarchy where yeah,
1167
01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:13.800
where it also a humane, humane institute. You know. Thomas
1168
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:17.880
said something on an episode recently. He was talking about
1169
01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:21.920
the difference between the Soviet Union and the United States
1170
01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:25.720
after nineteen fifty, and he was saying that, you know, well,
1171
01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:28.680
what did the Soviet Union do after nineteen fifty? They
1172
01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:32.159
just basically and after Stalin was out of power. I mean,
1173
01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:36.359
they could abuse your body, they could you know, you know,
1174
01:25:36.399 --> 01:25:41.720
a lot of the Gulags were you know, we're they
1175
01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:45.399
weren't as severe as before, you know, before when Stalin
1176
01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:49.399
was alive. But really, the when you look at what
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01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:53.159
the United States has done to people, I mean, at
1178
01:25:53.239 --> 01:25:56.399
least Russians still believe that they're Russians. They still look
1179
01:25:56.560 --> 01:26:01.479
they have some kind of identity. Everything that we that
1180
01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:05.439
we have, we possess, any kind of tradition, any kind
1181
01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:10.680
of family, they've they're this regime seeks to derascinate us
1182
01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:14.239
from and just basically strip us down into nothing.
1183
01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:20.479
Well, we don't have anything comparable to Goole Aggs or
1184
01:26:22.359 --> 01:26:27.479
or even the destolinization process within living memory. And the
1185
01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:33.079
further we get from these references that you know our grandparents,
1186
01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:36.159
you know your grandparents, you're you.
1187
01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:38.359
Know, yeah, I'm older than you. Fuck you.
1188
01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:45.560
Yeah, I was gonna say, uh, certain certain members of
1189
01:26:46.079 --> 01:26:57.319
your tribe. What you're Ukrainian background, Oh yeah, Ukrainian dash something.
1190
01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:03.199
No, I'm like my DNA thing says two percent on
1191
01:27:03.319 --> 01:27:09.840
that part one drop, yeah, right, one drop role.
1192
01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:14.680
But no, we don't have anything like that in living memory.
1193
01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:19.960
So the further we get from both the atrocities and
1194
01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:24.960
the wine down from the atrocities being tolerable, the more
1195
01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:27.159
apt we are to go back to them.
1196
01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:32.640
Yeah. Good point, all right. The question is whether this
1197
01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:36.159
is the only alternative. I shall presently try to suggest
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01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:39.800
the direction in which an answer may be sought. In
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any case, the contrast is not between democracy and the
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abstract and dictatorship in the abstract. Democracy is a form
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01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:52.159
of government which fits very different types of societies. This
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01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:55.359
holds true even for a democracy with universal suffrage and
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01:27:55.359 --> 01:27:58.439
equality before the law, and the human costs of a
1204
01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:02.760
democracy are always and everywhere those exacted by the society
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01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:08.079
whose government it is. Their range extends all the way
1206
01:28:08.119 --> 01:28:14.279
from normal exploitation, poverty, and insecurity to and insecurity to
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01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:18.399
the victims of wars, police actions, military aid, etc. In
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01:28:18.439 --> 01:28:21.319
which the society is engaged, and not only to the
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01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:30.359
victims within its own frontiers. Yeah. These considerations can never
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01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:34.800
justify the exacting of different sacrifices and different victims on
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01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:38.840
behalf of a future better society, but they do allow
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01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:43.640
weighing the cost involved in the perpetuation of an existing
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01:28:43.720 --> 01:28:48.279
society against the risk of promoting alternatives which offer a
1214
01:28:48.359 --> 01:28:57.079
reasonable chance of pacification and liberation. Surely, no government can
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01:28:57.079 --> 01:29:01.119
be expected to foster its own subversion. But in a democracy,
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01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:04.199
such a right as vested in the people i e.
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01:29:04.359 --> 01:29:05.720
The majority of the people.
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Ah yeah, in theory.
1219
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Yeah, yeah, it sounds good. Yeah, this means that the
1220
01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:19.840
ways should be This means that the ways should not
1221
01:29:19.880 --> 01:29:24.119
be blocked on which a subversive majority could develop, and
1222
01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:27.880
if they are blocked by organized repression and indoctrination, their
1223
01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:35.560
reopening may require apparently undemocratic means. Obviously, Yeah, they would
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01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:39.239
include the withdrawal of toleration of speech and assembly from
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01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:46.039
groups and movements which promote aggressive policies, armament, chauvinism, discrimination,
1226
01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:49.439
on the grounds of race and religion, of which opposed
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01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:56.159
the extension of public services, social security, medicare, etc.
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01:29:57.640 --> 01:30:01.239
Yeah, I mean maybe when he wrote this, I mean
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01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:06.720
the last the social security, medical uh, public services, medical,
1230
01:30:06.880 --> 01:30:10.279
medical care, all that grap I don't think there's a
1231
01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:14.720
that's that's not really a thing with the left right debate.
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01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:17.920
I think the right is okay with having a welfare state.
1233
01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:23.039
Yep. They they're actively anti racist. Just call them a
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01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:24.239
racist and you'll find out.
1235
01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:25.800
Yeah. Yeah.
1236
01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:30.720
So Moreover, the restoration of freedom of thought may necessitate
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01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:35.479
new and rigid restrictions on teachings and practices in the education,
1238
01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:39.760
in the educational institutions, which, by their very methods and
1239
01:30:39.880 --> 01:30:43.600
concept the concepts, serve to enclose the mind within the
1240
01:30:43.720 --> 01:30:49.359
established universe of discourse and behavior, thereby precluding a priori
1241
01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:53.800
a rational evaluation of the alternatives.
1242
01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:59.560
So that's not happening, right, I mean, the the the
1243
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:03.159
enclosed us of the mind is happening again. Like, this
1244
01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:05.039
is all stuff that we can agree for, but for
1245
01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:06.880
way different reasons than he wants us to.
1246
01:31:07.479 --> 01:31:12.000
Right. Yeah, and to the degree to which freedom of
1247
01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:17.039
thought involves the struggle against inhumanity, restoration of such freedom
1248
01:31:17.239 --> 01:31:22.399
would also imply intolerance towards scientific research in the interest
1249
01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:28.920
of deadly deterrence of abnormal human endurance under inhuman conditions,
1250
01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:34.520
et cetera. I shall presently discuss the question as to
1251
01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:38.560
who is to decide on the distinction between liberating and
1252
01:31:39.159 --> 01:31:44.359
liberating and repressive human and inhuman teachings and practices. I
1253
01:31:44.399 --> 01:31:48.520
have already suggested that this at that this distinction is
1254
01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:52.359
not a matter of value preference, but of rational criteria.
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01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:58.880
Yes, the fattest, most blue haired, most transgender Muslim activists
1256
01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:01.159
they are are the ones qualified.
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01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:07.319
While the reversal of the trend in the educational enterprise
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01:32:07.439 --> 01:32:11.039
at least could conceivably be enforced by the students and
1259
01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:16.479
teachers themselves and thus be self imposed, the systematic withdrawal
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01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:21.439
of tolerance towards regressive and repressive opinions and movements could
1261
01:32:21.479 --> 01:32:30.439
only be envisaged, had envisaged envisaged enough to look that
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01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:34.079
up as results of well, try to figure it out
1263
01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:39.760
contexts as results of large scale pressure, which would amount
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01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:44.279
to an upheaval book could only be you know. In
1265
01:32:44.359 --> 01:32:48.119
other words, it would presuppose that which is still to
1266
01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:54.079
be accomplished. The reversal of the trend. However, resistance at
1267
01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:59.359
particular occasions, boycott, non participation at the local and small
1268
01:32:59.399 --> 01:33:04.920
group level may perhaps prepare the ground. The subversive character
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01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:08.000
of the restoration of freedom appears most clearly in that
1270
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:12.199
dimension of society where false tolerance and free enterprise do
1271
01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:16.640
perhaps the most serious and lasting damage, namely in business
1272
01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:17.920
and publicity.
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01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:26.119
So corporations and media. Let's try to parse, parse all
1274
01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:34.560
that together. I guess, to dumb it down. In a
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01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:39.600
democratic system, there will never be any type of social
1276
01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:45.640
upheaval that they haven't already approved of way ahead of time.
1277
01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:53.239
What else is he trying to say? It's going to
1278
01:33:53.239 --> 01:33:57.800
be the fortune five hundred corporations in the media, which
1279
01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:01.479
are the most liberal and all so the most free enterprise.
1280
01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:07.279
I don't mean free enterprise and like a libertarian context,
1281
01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:14.399
I mean like they eat amongst each other. They are
1282
01:34:14.439 --> 01:34:19.079
going to be the uh, the Petri dish, and the
1283
01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:25.920
accelerant for any type of any type of social upheaval
1284
01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:31.560
that has been pre approved. I think that's what he's
1285
01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:32.800
trying to say. In a nutshell.
1286
01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:35.279
If that's what he's trying to say to you think
1287
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:40.560
we've seen that, Oh yeah, absolutely, it's default though, Yeah,
1288
01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:49.760
against the emphatic insistence on the part of spokesmen for labor,
1289
01:34:50.119 --> 01:34:54.720
I maintain that practices such as planned obsolescence, collusion between
1290
01:34:54.760 --> 01:35:00.000
union leadership and management, slanted publicity are not simply imposed
1291
01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:03.319
from above on a powerless rank and file, but are
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01:35:03.479 --> 01:35:08.399
tolerated by them and by the consumer at large.
1293
01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:10.159
Yeah, we tolerate a lot.
1294
01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:15.359
However, it would be ridiculous to speak of a possible
1295
01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:18.880
withdrawal of tolerance with respect to these practices and to
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01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:22.840
the ideologies promoted by them, for they pertain to the
1297
01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:27.600
basis on which the repressive, affluent society rests and reproduces
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01:35:27.640 --> 01:35:31.680
itself and its vital defenses. Their removal would be that
1299
01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:36.640
total revolution which this society so effectively repels.
1300
01:35:38.439 --> 01:35:41.760
Yeah, I mean again, I think what he's trying to
1301
01:35:41.800 --> 01:35:44.800
say is our material condition is so good that they're
1302
01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:47.079
willing to put up We are willing to put up
1303
01:35:47.119 --> 01:35:54.199
with so much. When we will eventually reach that trip
1304
01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:57.920
wire to where we chimp out, I don't know. But
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01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:01.560
even now, however bad you might think it is, I
1306
01:36:01.560 --> 01:36:02.359
think we still.
1307
01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:05.039
Have a while. Well. I mean, you were saying in
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01:36:05.119 --> 01:36:08.760
twenty twenty that people aren't hungry yet.
1309
01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:11.479
Yeah, ye, people aren't hungry yet.
1310
01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:16.600
To discuss tolerance in such a society means to re
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01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:20.560
examine the issue of violence and the traditional distinction between
1312
01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:25.079
violent and nonviolent action. The discussion should not from the
1313
01:36:25.119 --> 01:36:30.159
beginning be clouded by ideologies which serve the perpetuation of violence.
1314
01:36:31.159 --> 01:36:36.000
Even in the advanced centers of civilization, violence actually prevails.
1315
01:36:36.479 --> 01:36:39.119
It is practiced by the police, in the prisons and
1316
01:36:39.159 --> 01:36:43.960
mental institutions, in the fight against racial minorities, it is carried.
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01:36:44.640 --> 01:36:48.600
It is carried by the defenders of metropolitan freedom into
1318
01:36:48.640 --> 01:36:57.600
the backward countries. The violence indeed breeds violence, but to
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01:36:57.680 --> 01:37:01.399
refrain from violence in the face of that superior violence
1320
01:37:01.479 --> 01:37:05.840
is one thing. To renounce a priori violence against violence
1321
01:37:06.039 --> 01:37:10.640
or ethical or sociological grounds because it may antagonize sympathizers
1322
01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:18.680
is another. Yeah. Nonviolence is normally not only preached to to,
1323
01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:22.880
but extracted from the weak. It is a necessity rather
1324
01:37:22.920 --> 01:37:25.880
than a virtue, and normally it does not seriously harm.
1325
01:37:25.960 --> 01:37:30.319
The case of the strong is the case of India
1326
01:37:30.359 --> 01:37:34.119
an exception. Their passive resistance was carried through on a
1327
01:37:34.119 --> 01:37:38.399
massive scale which disrupted or threatened to disrupt the economic
1328
01:37:38.479 --> 01:37:42.880
life of the country. Quantity turns into quality. On such
1329
01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:47.000
a scale, passive resistance is no longer passive. It ceases
1330
01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:49.680
to be non violent. The same holds true for the
1331
01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:50.640
general strike.
1332
01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:59.479
Yeah, I would just gallons if if the general strike
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01:37:59.520 --> 01:38:03.159
even approach entering the entering the modern discourse.
1334
01:38:07.880 --> 01:38:10.600
I mean when you every once in a while you'll
1335
01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:13.000
see someone talk about it, it'll be like Caleb mop
1336
01:38:13.039 --> 01:38:15.760
In and you just the people you would expect it
1337
01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:20.840
to come from. But it's it's a I mean from
1338
01:38:20.840 --> 01:38:21.159
the right.
1339
01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:26.720
Yeah, yeah, No, I mean as as blue collar as
1340
01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:31.640
the rights become in the last you know, thirty years,
1341
01:38:32.199 --> 01:38:36.039
you'll you'll never you'll never see a general strike because
1342
01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:36.680
then you go.
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01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:41.920
Hungry, right, right, And we're not a grarian.
1344
01:38:42.159 --> 01:38:43.319
Nope, not anymore, we're not.
1345
01:38:43.720 --> 01:38:48.359
Nope. Robespierre's distinction between the terror of liberty and the
1346
01:38:48.479 --> 01:38:52.359
terror of despotism, and his moral glorification of the former,
1347
01:38:52.600 --> 01:38:56.640
belongs to the most convincingly condemned aberrations. Even if the
1348
01:38:56.640 --> 01:39:04.079
white terror was more bloody than the Red terror. Yeah, well,
1349
01:39:04.119 --> 01:39:08.640
I mean, who want to try and compare and see
1350
01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:10.279
which one was more violent? I don't think we need
1351
01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:14.920
to do that. Yeah, the comparative evaluation in terms of
1352
01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:18.520
the number of victims is the quantifying approach, which reveals
1353
01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:22.159
a man made horror throughout history that made violence and necessity.
1354
01:39:22.960 --> 01:39:26.079
In terms of historical function, there is a difference between
1355
01:39:26.079 --> 01:39:30.159
the revolutionary and reactionary violence, between violence practiced by the
1356
01:39:30.199 --> 01:39:34.560
oppressed and by the oppressors in terms of Yeah, I
1357
01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:35.560
mean think about that.
1358
01:39:36.479 --> 01:39:40.640
And it's each ideology's responsibility to capture either one of
1359
01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:41.359
those terms.
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01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:47.319
First, I have seen people this week on social media
1361
01:39:47.960 --> 01:39:51.560
and in comments that we actually read yesterday in the
1362
01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:55.960
live stream we did for Old Glory Club where pro
1363
01:39:56.079 --> 01:39:59.800
trands people, people who were actually celebrating what happened at
1364
01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:04.720
that Christian school in Nashville were basically saying that they
1365
01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:09.600
were the oppressed and that the government was the oppressor
1366
01:40:09.800 --> 01:40:10.920
is still the oppressor to.
1367
01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:18.920
Them, They're yeah, I mean this is actually it's it's
1368
01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:22.079
so perfect that we're reading this in the backdrop of
1369
01:40:22.319 --> 01:40:23.840
that Nashville shooting.
1370
01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:26.880
Because you're seeing this in real life. Yeah, I mean,
1371
01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:35.920
it's it's insane. It's been such a black pill to
1372
01:40:36.000 --> 01:40:41.199
see just nobody, like even people that we would expect
1373
01:40:41.279 --> 01:40:47.039
to have some type of strong take with it. Nothing,
1374
01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:50.319
nothing except for the usual people like that that we
1375
01:40:50.439 --> 01:40:53.880
see in our timeline that we expect, but man, it's
1376
01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:56.079
been fucking it's just been disappointed.
1377
01:40:57.560 --> 01:40:59.600
I mean, I hope I made some sense last night,
1378
01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:03.359
because you know, I'm one of those people who believes
1379
01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:07.039
that trans people are victims. I believe they're victims of
1380
01:41:07.279 --> 01:41:12.479
a campaign that, you know, just like any other campaign,
1381
01:41:12.560 --> 01:41:17.760
the campaign for FIAT money, the campaign for wars and everything.
1382
01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:21.920
But when it comes, once the violence starts, and once
1383
01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:27.920
innocent people start start falling by their hands, then I
1384
01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:31.000
have to step back and I have to go all right, Well,
1385
01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:38.880
I wasn't exactly supporting you at this point up until
1386
01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:43.600
this point, but I'm definitely you know, I'm definitely disengaged,
1387
01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:46.159
and I'm not going to make any excuses anymore.
1388
01:41:47.399 --> 01:41:52.720
If tragedies like that are just, by the odds going
1389
01:41:52.800 --> 01:41:59.640
to happen, then I I almost hope that the level
1390
01:41:59.680 --> 01:42:05.479
of vitriol and shaden freud and just the opportunity, the
1391
01:42:05.520 --> 01:42:10.520
opportunism that comes about from basically dancing on victim's grave,
1392
01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:16.119
I almost hope that it drowns out rational voices. That's
1393
01:42:16.159 --> 01:42:18.000
that's what needs especially on the internet.
1394
01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:25.640
Yeah, yeah, excelent accelerationism on the Internet is basically the default.
1395
01:42:25.680 --> 01:42:26.800
There should be the default.
1396
01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:32.279
I I I don't like seeing it, and I don't
1397
01:42:31.359 --> 01:42:36.479
I don't know if if there is a way to
1398
01:42:37.039 --> 01:42:40.520
separate your internet self from your real life self and
1399
01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:46.239
say that it's the complete fucking opposite. I'm I'm there.
1400
01:42:46.439 --> 01:42:48.680
I don't know if I'm morally correct. I don't know
1401
01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:50.439
if I'm going to burn an l for that, But.
1402
01:42:53.239 --> 01:42:58.840
Yeah, yeah, right. In terms of ethics, both forms of
1403
01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:03.439
violence are inhuman and evil. But since when is history
1404
01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:07.840
made in accordance with ethical standards? It's a great question.
1405
01:43:09.640 --> 01:43:12.560
It's a question that I ask all the time when
1406
01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:17.319
people try to make moral arguments with me. So what
1407
01:43:17.479 --> 01:43:23.039
does morality have to do with this? To start applying
1408
01:43:23.079 --> 01:43:27.159
them at the point where the oppressed rebel against the oppress,
1409
01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:30.800
to start applying them at the point where the oppressed
1410
01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:35.239
rebel against the oppressors, the have nots against the haves
1411
01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:39.239
is serving the cause of actual violence by weakening the
1412
01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:45.000
protest against it. Here he quotes Jean Paul Sart. Try
1413
01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:48.600
to understand this at any rate. If violence began this
1414
01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:52.279
very evening, and if exploitation and oppression had never existed
1415
01:43:52.279 --> 01:43:55.399
on the earth. Perhaps the slogans of non violence might
1416
01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:58.920
end the coral. But if the whole regime, even for
1417
01:43:59.039 --> 01:44:04.479
non violence, even nonviolent ideas, are conditioned by a thousand
1418
01:44:04.520 --> 01:44:08.159
year old oppression, your passivity serves only to place you
1419
01:44:08.279 --> 01:44:09.880
in the rank of the oppressors.
1420
01:44:10.479 --> 01:44:11.840
Silence is violence.
1421
01:44:14.279 --> 01:44:18.439
But I mean, you see see people on our side too.
1422
01:44:19.239 --> 01:44:20.800
Yeah, I'm an ally.
1423
01:44:21.319 --> 01:44:25.439
You're an ally. That's great, all right. The very notion
1424
01:44:25.560 --> 01:44:29.039
of false tolerance and the distinction between right and wrong,
1425
01:44:29.119 --> 01:44:35.079
limitations on tolerance, between progressive and regressive indoctrination, revolutionary and
1426
01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:39.239
reactionary violence, demand the statement of criteria for its validity.
1427
01:44:40.600 --> 01:44:44.840
These standards must be prior to whatever constitutional and legal
1428
01:44:44.880 --> 01:44:48.479
criteria are set up and applied in an existing society
1429
01:44:49.039 --> 01:44:51.119
which has clear Yeah.
1430
01:44:51.000 --> 01:44:56.279
First principles shouldn't be my constitution, yep, orm due process.
1431
01:44:56.840 --> 01:45:00.439
Well, I mean, yeah, I remember the first person I
1432
01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:03.840
really talked to who who said this was Arn McIntyre,
1433
01:45:03.840 --> 01:45:06.359
and he said, look, if you got to write, if
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your society has to write stuff down, you've already lost.
1435
01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:12.079
If you have to write your laws down, you've already lost.
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01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:14.359
Yeah. Who are you writing them down for?
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01:45:14.920 --> 01:45:20.600
Yeah? All right? So okay, read that whole thing again.
1438
01:45:21.920 --> 01:45:25.279
These standards must be prior to whatever constitutional and legal
1439
01:45:25.319 --> 01:45:28.119
criteria are set up and applied in an existing society,
1440
01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:31.439
such as clear and present danger and other established definitions
1441
01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:36.239
of civil rights and liberties. For such definitions themselves presupposed
1442
01:45:36.239 --> 01:45:40.680
standards of freedom and repression as applicable or not applicable
1443
01:45:40.760 --> 01:45:46.399
in the respective society. They are specifications of more general concepts.
1444
01:45:47.920 --> 01:45:51.199
By whom and according to what standards can the political
1445
01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:55.159
distinction between true and false, progressive and regressive. For in
1446
01:45:55.199 --> 01:45:58.840
this sphere these pairs are equivalent be made and its
1447
01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:03.920
validity be just defied. At the outset, I propose that
1448
01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:07.479
the question cannot be answered in terms of the alternative
1449
01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:12.000
between democracy and dictatorship, according to which in the latter
1450
01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:15.720
one individual or group, without any effective control from below,
1451
01:46:16.760 --> 01:46:24.760
arrogate to them to themselves the decision. Historically, even in
1452
01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:28.600
the most democratic democracies, the vital and final decisions affecting
1453
01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:32.079
the society as a whole have been made constitutionally or
1454
01:46:32.079 --> 01:46:35.560
in fact, by one or several groups without effective control
1455
01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:41.520
by the people themselves. The ironical question what true I mean,
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01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:42.800
it's it's.
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01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:46.399
Just democracy is just a bunch of interest groups fighting.
1458
01:46:46.920 --> 01:46:52.760
Yeah, it's it's whichever group of elites you win. Basically,
1459
01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:58.479
the ironical question who educates the educators i e. The
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01:46:58.520 --> 01:47:04.039
political leaders? All so applies to democracy. The only authentic
1461
01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:07.680
alternative and negation of dictatorship with respect to this question
1462
01:47:08.119 --> 01:47:10.439
would be a society in which the people have become
1463
01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:14.960
autonomous individuals, freed from the repressive requirements of a struggle
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01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:18.239
for existence and the interest of domination, and as such
1465
01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:21.680
human beings choosing their government and determining their life.
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01:47:22.520 --> 01:47:26.039
Chazz, he's describing Chaz.
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01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:29.800
And Capistan and Japistan.
1468
01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:34.079
Yeah, autonomy and freedom.
1469
01:47:34.279 --> 01:47:38.000
Such a society does not yet exist anywhere in the means,
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01:47:38.680 --> 01:47:42.079
and it never will. In the meantime, the question must
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01:47:42.119 --> 01:47:46.560
be treated in an abstract though abstraction, not from the
1472
01:47:46.720 --> 01:47:51.159
historical possibilities, but from the realities of the prevailing societies.
1473
01:47:52.479 --> 01:47:55.359
So he's basically going to apply something that doesn't exist
1474
01:47:55.720 --> 01:48:01.399
to reality. And as I think it was, Sam Francis said,
1475
01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:06.520
channeling James Burnham, that never works because, and I will paraphrase,
1476
01:48:08.199 --> 01:48:10.039
everybody thinks they have a plan till they get punched
1477
01:48:10.039 --> 01:48:13.239
in the mouth. YEA. Everybody or everybody has a plan,
1478
01:48:13.319 --> 01:48:16.520
so they get punched in the mouth. All right. I
1479
01:48:16.520 --> 01:48:19.760
think that was Mike Tyson too, just bringing all the
1480
01:48:19.760 --> 01:48:23.960
philosophers in. I suggested that the distinction between true and
1481
01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:28.920
false tolerance, between progress and regression can be made rationally
1482
01:48:28.960 --> 01:48:33.119
on empirical grounds. The real possibilities of human freedom are
1483
01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:36.000
relative to the attained stage of civilization.
1484
01:48:37.039 --> 01:48:38.720
Right now, we're getting into some Marxism.
1485
01:48:40.039 --> 01:48:43.560
They depend on the material and intellectual resources available at
1486
01:48:43.560 --> 01:48:47.760
their respective stage, and they are quantifiable and calculable to
1487
01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:52.520
a high degree. So are at the stage of advanced
1488
01:48:52.520 --> 01:48:56.359
industrial society the most rational ways of using these resources
1489
01:48:56.399 --> 01:48:59.840
and distributing the social product, with priority on the satisfaction
1490
01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:03.640
vital needs, and with a minimum of toil and injustice.
1491
01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:05.600
Oh god, oh.
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01:49:08.319 --> 01:49:10.720
H, you knew it was coming. You knew it was coming.
1493
01:49:10.840 --> 01:49:14.760
Oh I was waiting for it so excited. I'm back,
1494
01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:15.399
I'm back.
1495
01:49:16.680 --> 01:49:19.359
In other words, it is possible to define the direction
1496
01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:23.159
in which prevailing institutions, policies, opinions would have to be
1497
01:49:23.279 --> 01:49:25.880
changed in order to improve the chance of a peace
1498
01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:29.000
which is not identical with cold war and a little
1499
01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:32.159
hot war, and a satisfaction of needs which does not
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01:49:32.239 --> 01:49:39.119
feed on poverty, oppression, and exploitation. Consequently, it is also
1501
01:49:39.239 --> 01:49:43.800
possible to identify policies, opinions, movements which would promote this
1502
01:49:44.039 --> 01:49:49.119
chance and those which would do the opposite. Suppression of
1503
01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:52.399
the regressive ones is a prerequisite for the strengthening of
1504
01:49:52.439 --> 01:49:53.600
the progressive ones.
1505
01:49:53.920 --> 01:49:59.560
It's power as a fixed pot, baby, and the Marxists wanted,
1506
01:50:01.319 --> 01:50:03.600
I want it.
1507
01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:07.960
My My theory is that power is a power, is
1508
01:50:08.000 --> 01:50:11.159
a constant, and it's just it's just being divvied up.
1509
01:50:13.079 --> 01:50:19.079
Who divvs it up? Who gets the biggest piece? The
1510
01:50:19.199 --> 01:50:23.079
question who is qualified to make all these distinctions, definitions,
1511
01:50:23.119 --> 01:50:26.880
identifications for the society as a whole has now one
1512
01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:35.239
logical answer, namely, namely everyone and the maturity of his
1513
01:50:35.359 --> 01:50:39.000
faculties as a human being. Everyone who has learned to
1514
01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:44.279
think rationally and autonomously. What about Yeah? Well what about
1515
01:50:44.279 --> 01:50:48.399
the ones who haven't? Yeah, And that's how you get
1516
01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:50.640
a dictatorship?
1517
01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:55.800
What they if your average country is plummeting?
1518
01:50:57.159 --> 01:51:04.239
What if this is Somalia? John Stewart Mill's conception of
1519
01:51:04.279 --> 01:51:08.119
the of the rest publica is not the opposite of Plato's.
1520
01:51:09.039 --> 01:51:12.960
The liberal, too, demands the authority of reason, not only
1521
01:51:13.039 --> 01:51:19.319
as an intellectual but also as a political power. Huh okay,
1522
01:51:21.239 --> 01:51:25.960
I was just thinking how the objective the objectivists all,
1523
01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:29.000
you know, say they need a society based on reason,
1524
01:51:29.079 --> 01:51:32.199
where the police would they would be the police would
1525
01:51:32.279 --> 01:51:38.560
enforce reason. I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding.
1526
01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:44.159
In Plato, rationality is confined to the small number of
1527
01:51:44.199 --> 01:51:49.319
philosopher kings. In mill every rational human being participates in
1528
01:51:49.359 --> 01:51:53.199
the discussion and decision, but only as a rational being.
1529
01:51:54.399 --> 01:51:58.279
Where society has entered the phase of total administration and indoctrination,
1530
01:51:58.880 --> 01:52:02.520
this would be a small indeed, and not necessarily that
1531
01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:04.520
of elected representatives of the people.
1532
01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:06.319
Huh.
1533
01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:12.199
Imagine that the problem is not that of an educational dictatorship,
1534
01:52:12.640 --> 01:52:15.760
but that of breaking the tyranny of public opinion and
1535
01:52:15.800 --> 01:52:18.279
its makers in the closed society.
1536
01:52:20.640 --> 01:52:25.079
Yeah, I mean, public opinion can never really be organic,
1537
01:52:25.159 --> 01:52:30.840
can it? Because public opinion is itself a weird, fucking
1538
01:52:31.600 --> 01:52:33.760
nebulous idea.
1539
01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:36.439
Even if you broke it down to like Dunbar's number,
1540
01:52:37.720 --> 01:52:42.119
the whatever natural elites or pastors are in that group,
1541
01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:45.479
or who are going to make public opinion, you know,
1542
01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:51.880
the they're they're going to be the leaders. Pretty much
1543
01:52:52.520 --> 01:52:56.199
what people say about their governing style. Their governance is
1544
01:52:56.239 --> 01:52:58.399
going to be coming. They're just going to be repeating
1545
01:52:58.399 --> 01:52:58.880
what those men.
1546
01:52:58.840 --> 01:53:03.920
Are saying, yeah, more or less, or basing their opinions
1547
01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:06.520
off of what they were taught from, you know, the
1548
01:53:07.079 --> 01:53:08.359
progenitors of those men.
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01:53:09.359 --> 01:53:11.039
Yeah.
1550
01:53:11.279 --> 01:53:16.359
However, granted the empirical rationality of the distinction between progress
1551
01:53:16.359 --> 01:53:19.439
and regression, and granted that it may be applicable to
1552
01:53:19.439 --> 01:53:25.279
tolerance and may justify strongly discriminatory tolerance on political grounds,
1553
01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:28.680
cancelation of the liberal creed of free and equal discussion.
1554
01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:35.800
Another impossible consequence would follow. I say that, by virtue
1555
01:53:35.800 --> 01:53:40.039
of its inner logic, withdrawal of tolerance from regressive movements
1556
01:53:40.359 --> 01:53:44.960
and discriminatory tolerance in favor of the progressive tendencies would
1557
01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:51.399
be tantamount to the official promotion of subversion. Hume, imagine that.
1558
01:53:51.319 --> 01:53:54.800
All right, now, he's on to something.
1559
01:53:55.239 --> 01:53:55.520
Yep.
1560
01:53:55.840 --> 01:53:59.399
The historical calculus of progress, which is actually the calculus
1561
01:53:59.439 --> 01:54:05.439
of the perspective reduction of cruelty, misery suppression, seems to.
1562
01:54:07.159 --> 01:54:08.520
Such a vagina.
1563
01:54:11.079 --> 01:54:14.479
Read it again, The historical calculus of progress, which is
1564
01:54:14.479 --> 01:54:18.399
actually the calculus of the perspective reduction of cruelty, misery,
1565
01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:24.800
and suppression seems to involve the calculated choice between two
1566
01:54:24.880 --> 01:54:27.680
forms of political violence, that on the part of the
1567
01:54:27.760 --> 01:54:32.680
legally constituted powers, by their legitimate action or by their
1568
01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:36.600
tacit consent or by their inability to prevent violence, and
1569
01:54:36.640 --> 01:54:42.960
that on the part of potentially subversive movements. Moreover, with
1570
01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:46.840
respect to the latter, a policy of unequal treatment would
1571
01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:50.520
protect radicalism on the left against that on the right.
1572
01:54:51.960 --> 01:54:56.159
Can the historical Can the historical calculus be reasonably extended
1573
01:54:56.159 --> 01:54:58.920
to the justification of one form of violence or against
1574
01:54:59.079 --> 01:55:05.159
as against another, or better, since justification carries a moral connotation,
1575
01:55:09.359 --> 01:55:14.000
or better, since justification carries a moral connotation, Is there
1576
01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:17.000
historical evidence to the effect that the social origin and
1577
01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:20.239
impetus of violence from among the ruled or the ruling
1578
01:55:20.279 --> 01:55:24.239
classes to the have or the have not, the left
1579
01:55:24.319 --> 01:55:27.800
or the right, is in a demonstrable relation to progress
1580
01:55:28.319 --> 01:55:29.840
as defined above.
1581
01:55:32.399 --> 01:55:36.800
I love it, We're getting taken on another wild ride.
1582
01:55:40.239 --> 01:55:43.760
Why here's why you should throw your face into the
1583
01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:44.920
brick being thrown at you.
1584
01:55:48.640 --> 01:55:52.199
With all the qualifications of a hypothesis based on an
1585
01:55:52.239 --> 01:55:56.159
open historical record, it seems that the violence emanating from
1586
01:55:56.159 --> 01:56:00.000
the rebellion of the oppressed classes broke the historical continue
1587
01:56:00.399 --> 01:56:04.840
of injustice, cruelty, and silence for a brief moment, brief
1588
01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:07.960
but explosive enough to achieve an increase in the scope
1589
01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:11.159
of freedom and justice and a better and more equitable
1590
01:56:11.199 --> 01:56:15.079
distribution of misery and oppression in a new social system.
1591
01:56:15.479 --> 01:56:21.800
In one word, progress in civilization. Oh, I'm glad he's
1592
01:56:21.880 --> 01:56:25.119
bringing these up here. Okay? Good? The English Civil Wars,
1593
01:56:25.279 --> 01:56:28.880
the French Revolution, the Chinese and the Cuban revolutions may
1594
01:56:28.960 --> 01:56:33.560
illustrate the hypothesis. In contrast, the one historical change from
1595
01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:36.439
one social system to another marking the beginning of a
1596
01:56:36.479 --> 01:56:40.800
new period in civilization, which was not sparked and driven
1597
01:56:40.840 --> 01:56:44.840
by an effective movement from below, namely, the collapse of
1598
01:56:44.880 --> 01:56:47.640
the Roman Empire in the West brought about a long
1599
01:56:47.680 --> 01:56:51.439
period of regression for long centuries, until a new, higher
1600
01:56:51.479 --> 01:56:55.680
period of civilization was painfully born in the violence of
1601
01:56:55.760 --> 01:56:58.800
the heretic revolts of the thirteenth century and in the
1602
01:56:58.840 --> 01:57:04.239
peasant and laborery vaults of the fourteenth century.
1603
01:57:05.359 --> 01:57:08.079
That's a very generous interpretation.
1604
01:57:10.199 --> 01:57:13.680
With respect to historical violence emanating from among ruling classes.
1605
01:57:14.039 --> 01:57:18.720
No such relations to progress seems to obtain the long
1606
01:57:18.840 --> 01:57:23.680
series of dynastic and imperialist wars. The liquidation of Spartacus
1607
01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:28.560
in Germany in nineteen nineteen. Fascism and Nazism did not break,
1608
01:57:28.560 --> 01:57:36.319
but rather tightened than streamline the continuum of suppression. Really,
1609
01:57:38.640 --> 01:57:40.520
I guess where that.
1610
01:57:40.520 --> 01:57:48.159
Did not break, but rather tightened in streamlined. Yeah, I
1611
01:57:48.199 --> 01:57:54.079
don't get that. I don't get why he would describe
1612
01:57:54.239 --> 01:58:00.520
Nazism as tightening and streamlined. Yeah, I guess lining the
1613
01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:02.159
continuum of suppression.
1614
01:58:03.079 --> 01:58:03.239
Yeah.
1615
01:58:03.279 --> 01:58:07.039
But if he's if it's meant to be pejorative, then yeah,
1616
01:58:07.039 --> 01:58:08.279
he's giving it more credit.
1617
01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:14.640
I said, emanating from among ruling classes. To be sure,
1618
01:58:14.680 --> 01:58:18.079
there is hardly any organized violence from above that does
1619
01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:20.920
not mobilize and activate mass support from below.
1620
01:58:21.600 --> 01:58:24.039
Oh all right, I see what he's saying.
1621
01:58:25.640 --> 01:58:28.560
The decisive question is on behalf of and in the
1622
01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:32.800
interest of, which groups and institutions is such violence released?
1623
01:58:33.279 --> 01:58:38.600
I mean the National Socialist Party, I mean that's that's
1624
01:58:38.680 --> 01:58:44.520
started as grassroots kind of street brawling, right, yeah, like
1625
01:58:44.600 --> 01:58:49.560
it didn't really get well, I don't know were there's
1626
01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:53.079
some like old old kaiser Reich types in it from
1627
01:58:53.119 --> 01:58:53.680
the beginning.
1628
01:58:54.520 --> 01:58:56.880
Well, I mean they were all guys who fought world
1629
01:58:57.199 --> 01:58:58.079
in World War One?
1630
01:58:58.640 --> 01:59:01.039
Yeah, yeah, But were they like aristocrats?
1631
01:59:02.600 --> 01:59:03.960
I mean there were a couple.
1632
01:59:05.319 --> 01:59:08.000
There were just a couple, not enough to characterize it
1633
01:59:08.039 --> 01:59:09.479
as an aristocratic movement.
1634
01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:11.720
I would probably say there may have been a chance
1635
01:59:11.720 --> 01:59:18.279
that there were more aristocrats in the KPD. Yeah, yeah, right.
1636
01:59:18.720 --> 01:59:22.359
And the answer is not necessarily expost in the historical
1637
01:59:22.399 --> 01:59:26.279
examples just mentioned. It could be and was anticipated whether
1638
01:59:26.319 --> 01:59:29.640
the movement would serve the revamping of the old order
1639
01:59:30.039 --> 01:59:36.000
or the emergence of the new liberating tolerance then would
1640
01:59:36.079 --> 01:59:39.960
mean intolerance against movements from the right and toleration of
1641
01:59:40.000 --> 01:59:44.520
movements from the left. Yes, absolutely.
1642
01:59:46.399 --> 01:59:46.520
Right.
1643
01:59:46.560 --> 01:59:53.319
There highlight that as to the scope of this tolerance
1644
01:59:53.359 --> 01:59:56.439
and intolerance, it would extend to the stage of action
1645
01:59:56.680 --> 02:00:01.000
as well as of discussion and propaganda, as well as
1646
02:00:01.039 --> 02:00:01.520
of word.
1647
02:00:02.079 --> 02:00:04.479
And you're seeing that since twenty.
1648
02:00:04.199 --> 02:00:11.880
Fifteen, since he came down that escalator. Yeah, yep. The
1649
02:00:11.920 --> 02:00:15.880
traditional criterion of clear and present danger seems no. We
1650
02:00:15.960 --> 02:00:17.880
talk about that, We talk about how people want to
1651
02:00:17.920 --> 02:00:22.600
discount exactly. I mean, who cares. I mean, Trump didn't
1652
02:00:22.600 --> 02:00:25.560
get anything done and couldn't get anything done, But that's
1653
02:00:25.640 --> 02:00:27.600
not the point of Trump. That The point of Trump
1654
02:00:27.720 --> 02:00:32.359
is just how he started all this. Yeah, there were
1655
02:00:32.439 --> 02:00:36.800
you know, okay, the Trayvon Martin shooting, well, Occupy Wall
1656
02:00:36.800 --> 02:00:40.479
Street and the Trayvon Martin shooting, and then the Michael
1657
02:00:40.520 --> 02:00:46.399
Brown shooting, the formation of BLM, which most people don't remember.
1658
02:00:47.079 --> 02:00:50.960
Barack Obama would basically call a terrorist group, the Democrats
1659
02:00:51.000 --> 02:00:53.800
would call a terrorist group. And then you get up
1660
02:00:53.800 --> 02:01:00.479
to twenty fifteen and Trump goes down that escalator, start
1661
02:01:00.560 --> 02:01:03.720
saying the things that he says, and then it was
1662
02:01:03.800 --> 02:01:05.640
just okay, we have to take sides. Now.
1663
02:01:06.920 --> 02:01:12.199
I think if Trump were the most competent, most machiavellian politician,
1664
02:01:12.319 --> 02:01:16.600
political actor, power player in the world, that he still
1665
02:01:16.640 --> 02:01:18.520
would have wouldn't have been able to do anything.
1666
02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:19.039
Yeah.
1667
02:01:19.239 --> 02:01:23.119
They they started working on him from the second he
1668
02:01:23.359 --> 02:01:25.720
blew away the primary debates.
1669
02:01:26.039 --> 02:01:27.239
Yeah.
1670
02:01:27.600 --> 02:01:33.239
Yeah, when when he acted like a like no one's
1671
02:01:33.279 --> 02:01:37.119
ever seen in you know, in this lifetime and in
1672
02:01:37.159 --> 02:01:40.640
many lifetimes, someone acts like that in a political debate
1673
02:01:40.760 --> 02:01:44.000
in this country. When he started acting like that and
1674
02:01:44.039 --> 02:01:47.600
the people responded to him positively, you know, when a
1675
02:01:47.600 --> 02:01:51.039
certain group on the right responded to him positively, the right.
1676
02:01:51.119 --> 02:01:54.720
But basically then they knew that there was something really good,
1677
02:01:54.880 --> 02:01:58.760
and then brexits it was another thing. Yeah, but which
1678
02:01:58.880 --> 02:02:03.039
really means nothing. I mean, but it was it breaks
1679
02:02:03.079 --> 02:02:06.960
it means basically nothing has meant nothing other than some
1680
02:02:07.439 --> 02:02:09.520
other than symbolism. Pretty much just like Trump.
1681
02:02:10.079 --> 02:02:12.920
Yeah, I mean again, you could have the most the
1682
02:02:13.000 --> 02:02:20.800
most ruthless, ruthless political actors, the highest caliber, and I
1683
02:02:20.840 --> 02:02:23.800
think they still would have ended up like Trump, just
1684
02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:27.359
as effective as Trump and breaks it. Yeah, they were,
1685
02:02:27.359 --> 02:02:29.600
they were, They were ready. They had everything in order
1686
02:02:30.960 --> 02:02:34.359
well before he posed a real threat or while before
1687
02:02:34.399 --> 02:02:35.680
he've got formal power.
1688
02:02:36.399 --> 02:02:38.239
These people have been doing this for one hundred years.
1689
02:02:38.279 --> 02:02:41.920
They're not stupid. Yeah, all right, let me start that
1690
02:02:41.920 --> 02:02:44.560
one again. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance,
1691
02:02:44.640 --> 02:02:47.720
it would extend to the stage of action as well
1692
02:02:47.760 --> 02:02:51.520
as of discussion and propaganda of deed, as well as
1693
02:02:51.560 --> 02:02:55.359
of word. The traditional criterion of clear and present danger
1694
02:02:55.439 --> 02:02:58.439
seems no longer adequate to a stage where the whole
1695
02:02:58.479 --> 02:03:02.039
society is in the situation the theater audience when somebody
1696
02:03:02.079 --> 02:03:06.960
cries fire. It is a situation in which the total
1697
02:03:07.000 --> 02:03:11.079
catastrophe could be triggered off any moment, not only by
1698
02:03:11.079 --> 02:03:15.279
a technical error but also by a rational miscalculation of risks,
1699
02:03:16.520 --> 02:03:22.600
or by a rash speech of one of the leaders.
1700
02:03:22.600 --> 02:03:26.439
In past, in different circumstances, the speeches of the Fascist
1701
02:03:26.520 --> 02:03:30.479
and Nazi leaders were the immediate prologue to the massacre.
1702
02:03:32.039 --> 02:03:35.199
The distance between the propaganda and the action, between the
1703
02:03:35.359 --> 02:03:39.520
organization and its release on the people had become too short,
1704
02:03:40.920 --> 02:03:43.359
But the spreading of the word could have stopped before
1705
02:03:43.399 --> 02:03:46.600
it was too late. If the democratic tolerance had been
1706
02:03:46.640 --> 02:03:51.079
withdrawn when the future leaders started their campaign, mankind would
1707
02:03:51.079 --> 02:03:54.159
have had a chance of avoiding Auschwitz in the World War.
1708
02:03:56.760 --> 02:04:03.560
He sounds like every jew on my timeline.
1709
02:04:06.079 --> 02:04:09.600
All right, let's keep going. The whole post fascist period
1710
02:04:09.760 --> 02:04:15.000
is one of clear and present danger. Consequently, true pacification
1711
02:04:15.199 --> 02:04:18.720
requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the
1712
02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:24.359
stage of communication, in word, print and picture. Such extreme
1713
02:04:25.000 --> 02:04:28.119
suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly
1714
02:04:28.479 --> 02:04:31.600
is indeed justified only in the whole of a society.
1715
02:04:31.720 --> 02:04:35.239
Only in the whole of a society is in extreme danger.
1716
02:04:36.680 --> 02:04:39.439
I maintain that our society is in such an extreme
1717
02:04:39.880 --> 02:04:43.640
emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state
1718
02:04:43.720 --> 02:04:44.439
of affairs.
1719
02:04:48.039 --> 02:04:51.159
Yeah this once you declare a state of emergency, it
1720
02:04:51.199 --> 02:04:52.439
never goes away.
1721
02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:58.000
Different opinions and philosophies can no longer compete peacefully for
1722
02:04:58.079 --> 02:05:02.199
adherence and persuasion on rational grounds. The marketplace of ideas
1723
02:05:02.279 --> 02:05:06.079
is organized and delimited by those who determine the national
1724
02:05:06.119 --> 02:05:11.920
and the individual interest. Hey, I'm back, I'm here, I'm back, we're.
1725
02:05:15.039 --> 02:05:17.399
The description of the problem is spot on.
1726
02:05:18.000 --> 02:05:24.439
Yeah. Yeah. In this society for which the ideologists have
1727
02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:28.560
proclaimed the end of ideology, the false consciousness has become
1728
02:05:28.600 --> 02:05:32.079
the general consciousness, from the government down to its last
1729
02:05:32.079 --> 02:05:37.560
subject objects. The small and powerless minorities which struggle against
1730
02:05:37.600 --> 02:05:42.479
the false consciousness and its beneficiaries must be helped. Their
1731
02:05:42.520 --> 02:05:46.000
continued existence is more important than the preservation of abused
1732
02:05:46.119 --> 02:05:49.600
rights and liberties, which grant constitutional powers to those who
1733
02:05:49.680 --> 02:05:56.359
oppress these minorities. It should be evident by now that
1734
02:05:56.399 --> 02:05:59.079
the exercise of civil rights by those who don't have
1735
02:05:59.640 --> 02:06:02.840
them presupposes to withdrawal of civil rights from those who
1736
02:06:02.880 --> 02:06:06.199
prevent their exercise, and the liberation of the damned of
1737
02:06:06.239 --> 02:06:10.119
the earth presupposed the suppression not only for their old
1738
02:06:10.199 --> 02:06:11.880
but also of their new mass.
1739
02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:20.359
Yes, all right, I'm rock hard again, look me gaining
1740
02:06:20.479 --> 02:06:24.279
my sense of normalcy requires you losing yours.
1741
02:06:26.920 --> 02:06:28.000
That's exactly what it is.
1742
02:06:28.560 --> 02:06:31.159
And more and more people are having less and less
1743
02:06:31.159 --> 02:06:35.880
problem telling people that, which is great because he's absolutely right.
1744
02:06:35.880 --> 02:06:38.359
There is no rational discourse. There hasn't been for a while,
1745
02:06:38.600 --> 02:06:42.439
and even when there was, it was artificial in every sense.
1746
02:06:43.439 --> 02:06:46.000
How can you have a rational discourse with people who
1747
02:06:46.000 --> 02:06:48.359
are I mean, it used to be Oh it was
1748
02:06:48.359 --> 02:06:51.079
someone on Oh, this is just someone on Twitter. Come on,
1749
02:06:51.960 --> 02:06:56.680
just turn on the cable news.
1750
02:06:55.960 --> 02:06:58.319
All right, it's two channels.
1751
02:06:58.359 --> 02:06:58.760
Man.
1752
02:06:59.439 --> 02:07:00.119
There's a plu.
1753
02:07:02.239 --> 02:07:08.000
Right withdrawal of tolerance from regressive movements before they can
1754
02:07:08.039 --> 02:07:12.760
become active in tolerance even toward thought, opinion, and word,
1755
02:07:12.920 --> 02:07:17.159
and finally intolerance in the opposite direction, that is, towards
1756
02:07:17.199 --> 02:07:21.119
the self styled conservatives to the political right. These anti
1757
02:07:21.159 --> 02:07:25.560
democratic notions respond to the actual development of the democratic society,
1758
02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:28.920
which has destroyed the basis for universal tolerance.
1759
02:07:30.399 --> 02:07:33.840
Yeah, they're doing that right now. It's great.
1760
02:07:36.039 --> 02:07:39.760
The conditions under which tolerance can again become a liberating
1761
02:07:39.800 --> 02:07:44.079
and humanizing force have still to be created. When tolerance
1762
02:07:44.119 --> 02:07:47.920
mainly serves the protection and preservation of a repressive society,
1763
02:07:48.199 --> 02:07:51.359
when it serves to neutralize opposition and to render men
1764
02:07:51.479 --> 02:07:55.279
immune against other and better forms of life than tolerance
1765
02:07:55.520 --> 02:08:04.000
has been perverted. I mean you're yeah, I agree, Yeah,
1766
02:08:04.560 --> 02:08:05.000
I agree.
1767
02:08:07.239 --> 02:08:11.560
Only let's let's fucking let's rotate this. Yeah, one hundred
1768
02:08:11.560 --> 02:08:16.039
and eighty degrees. And when this perversion starts in the
1769
02:08:16.079 --> 02:08:20.319
mind of the individual in his consciousness, his needs when hetero,
1770
02:08:20.800 --> 02:08:30.359
when hetero, when heteronom heteron heterononymous, heterononymous. Let's do that again.
1771
02:08:30.640 --> 02:08:32.840
And when this perversion starts in the mind of the
1772
02:08:32.880 --> 02:08:39.119
individual in his consciousness, his needs when heteronomymous interests occupy
1773
02:08:39.279 --> 02:08:42.840
him before he can experience his servitude, than the efforts
1774
02:08:42.880 --> 02:08:48.479
to counteract his dehumanity. Dehumanization. Dehumanization must begin at the
1775
02:08:48.520 --> 02:08:52.880
place of entrance. There where the where the false consciousness
1776
02:08:52.920 --> 02:08:56.560
takes form, or rather it's systematically formed. It must begin
1777
02:08:56.640 --> 02:09:01.359
with stopping the words and images which feed this conscious.
1778
02:09:00.680 --> 02:09:03.880
That's right, that's why we're going to crack down on disinformation.
1779
02:09:05.960 --> 02:09:06.720
I see what you're saying.
1780
02:09:07.039 --> 02:09:10.079
Oh yeah, you know, planting the idea sees in people's
1781
02:09:10.119 --> 02:09:12.840
head like that's bad and wrong and you shouldn't do it,
1782
02:09:12.920 --> 02:09:16.239
And it goes from there. You go from there too.
1783
02:09:16.399 --> 02:09:17.479
Now you're not allowed to do.
1784
02:09:17.479 --> 02:09:23.800
It, to be sure, this is censorship, even pre censorship,
1785
02:09:24.079 --> 02:09:27.640
but openly directed against the more or less hidden censorship
1786
02:09:27.680 --> 02:09:32.319
that permeates the free media. Where the false consciousness has
1787
02:09:32.359 --> 02:09:36.680
become prevalent and national and popular behavior, it translates itself
1788
02:09:36.720 --> 02:09:42.680
almost immediately into practice. The safe distance between ideology and reality,
1789
02:09:43.000 --> 02:09:46.600
repressive thought and repressive action, between the word of destruction
1790
02:09:46.680 --> 02:09:52.359
and deed of destruction is dangerously shortened. Thus, the breakthrough
1791
02:09:52.399 --> 02:09:55.920
the false consciousness may provide the Archimedean point for a
1792
02:09:56.000 --> 02:10:01.359
larger emancipation at an infinitesimally small spot, to be sure,
1793
02:10:01.680 --> 02:10:04.600
But it is on the enlargement of such small spots
1794
02:10:04.800 --> 02:10:10.479
that the chance of change depends. The forces of emancipation
1795
02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:14.520
cannot be identified with any social class which, by virtue
1796
02:10:14.520 --> 02:10:19.039
of its material condition, is free from false consciousness.
1797
02:10:18.840 --> 02:10:21.239
Going to ameliarize the escaton bro.
1798
02:10:23.479 --> 02:10:27.279
Today, they are hopelessly dispersed throughout the society, and the
1799
02:10:27.319 --> 02:10:30.920
fighting minorities and isolated groups are often in opposition to
1800
02:10:30.960 --> 02:10:36.039
their own leadership. In the society at large, the mental
1801
02:10:36.079 --> 02:10:41.840
space for denial and reflection must first be recreated. Repulsed
1802
02:10:41.880 --> 02:10:46.479
by the concreteness of the administered society the effort of
1803
02:10:46.520 --> 02:10:51.880
emancipation becomes abstract. It is reduced to facilitating the recognition
1804
02:10:52.199 --> 02:10:55.079
of what is going on, to freeing language from the
1805
02:10:55.079 --> 02:10:59.119
tyranny of the Orwellian syntax and logic, to developing the
1806
02:10:59.239 --> 02:11:09.119
concept that the concepts that comprehend Reality's describing libertarianism more
1807
02:11:09.159 --> 02:11:12.920
than ever, the proposition holds true that progress in freedom
1808
02:11:12.960 --> 02:11:17.199
demands progress in the consciousness of freedom. Where the mind
1809
02:11:17.239 --> 02:11:21.199
has been made into a subject object of politics and policies,
1810
02:11:21.600 --> 02:11:25.720
intellectual autonomy, the realm of pure thought has become a
1811
02:11:25.760 --> 02:11:33.960
matter of political education, or rather counter education. This you
1812
02:11:34.039 --> 02:11:41.600
got anythink, not just just yeah. This means that previously
1813
02:11:41.720 --> 02:11:45.520
neutral value free formal aspects of learning and teaching now
1814
02:11:45.560 --> 02:11:48.159
become on their own grounds and in their own right,
1815
02:11:48.439 --> 02:11:52.720
political learning. To know the facts, the whole truth, and
1816
02:11:52.800 --> 02:12:00.399
to comprehend it is radical criticism throughout intellectual subversion. In
1817
02:12:00.439 --> 02:12:03.000
a world in which the human faculties and needs are
1818
02:12:03.119 --> 02:12:07.439
arrested or perverted, autonomous thinking leads into a perverted world
1819
02:12:08.359 --> 02:12:13.279
contradiction and counter image of the established world of repression.
1820
02:12:15.000 --> 02:12:17.920
I think the world that he is trying to lead
1821
02:12:17.960 --> 02:12:21.520
them into is going to be a much more perverted world,
1822
02:12:21.920 --> 02:12:26.079
but I'm using perverted in a much different way.
1823
02:12:26.239 --> 02:12:28.520
It's going to be a much more annoying world.
1824
02:12:32.479 --> 02:12:36.680
And this contradiction is not simply stipulated, is not simply
1825
02:12:36.720 --> 02:12:39.720
the product of confused thinking or fantasy, but is the
1826
02:12:39.840 --> 02:12:45.560
logical development of the given the existing world. To the
1827
02:12:45.600 --> 02:12:48.680
degree to which this development is actually impeded by the
1828
02:12:48.680 --> 02:12:51.960
sheer weight of a repressive society and the necessity of
1829
02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:57.680
making a living in it, Repression invades the academic enterprise itself,
1830
02:12:58.239 --> 02:13:04.239
even prior to all restrictions on academic freedom. The preempting
1831
02:13:04.239 --> 02:13:11.600
of the mind vitiates, vitiates, vitiates impartiality and objectivity. Unless
1832
02:13:11.640 --> 02:13:15.000
the student learns to think in the opposite direction, he
1833
02:13:15.079 --> 02:13:17.920
will be inclined to place the facts into the predominant
1834
02:13:17.960 --> 02:13:19.359
framework of values.
1835
02:13:20.119 --> 02:13:21.800
What would that look like nowadays?
1836
02:13:24.119 --> 02:13:33.720
Mean the academy scholarship, i e. The acquisition and communication
1837
02:13:33.840 --> 02:13:38.960
of knowledge prohibits the purification and isolation of facts from
1838
02:13:39.000 --> 02:13:43.720
the context of the whole truth. An essential part of
1839
02:13:43.760 --> 02:13:47.039
the latter is recognition of the frightening extent to which
1840
02:13:47.159 --> 02:13:51.119
history was made and recorded by and for the victors.
1841
02:13:51.560 --> 02:13:55.239
That is, the extent to which history was the development
1842
02:13:55.800 --> 02:13:56.520
of oppression.
1843
02:13:57.880 --> 02:14:00.720
Yeah, that needs to be changed, but uh, he'd be
1844
02:14:00.840 --> 02:14:03.720
I think you would be extremely happy with how that's
1845
02:14:03.760 --> 02:14:04.560
working out today.
1846
02:14:05.119 --> 02:14:15.079
Yeah, Oh, did you know that Marcuse was? I think
1847
02:14:15.439 --> 02:14:18.039
he was Paul Gottfried's doctoral director.
1848
02:14:20.600 --> 02:14:28.680
I I believe that. Actually, Yeah, I haven't listened to
1849
02:14:28.880 --> 02:14:32.159
Godfried and a long time. He must he must be
1850
02:14:32.239 --> 02:14:33.399
like in his nineties now.
1851
02:14:33.640 --> 02:14:38.560
No, he's like eighty, he's eighty. But oh but he's sharp. Yeah.
1852
02:14:38.680 --> 02:14:40.640
He was riding a bike like a year and a
1853
02:14:40.680 --> 02:14:42.600
half ago and just got hit by a car and
1854
02:14:42.640 --> 02:14:46.199
he's fine and he's like recovered and everything. And I
1855
02:14:46.199 --> 02:14:49.680
mean that guy's not That guy's not going anywhere man,
1856
02:14:51.920 --> 02:14:55.840
all right. An essential part of the latter is recognition
1857
02:14:55.920 --> 02:14:58.560
of the frightening extent to which history was made and
1858
02:14:58.600 --> 02:15:01.079
recorded by and for the victor. That is, to the
1859
02:15:01.119 --> 02:15:04.159
extent to which history was a development of oppression. And
1860
02:15:04.199 --> 02:15:07.199
this oppression is in the facts, in the facts themselves
1861
02:15:07.279 --> 02:15:11.960
what it establishes. Thus they themselves carry a negative value
1862
02:15:12.000 --> 02:15:14.800
as part and aspect of their facticity.
1863
02:15:14.880 --> 02:15:21.119
Yeah, hell yeah, facts don't care about your feelings. Oh yeah,
1864
02:15:21.279 --> 02:15:22.199
face the wall.
1865
02:15:25.039 --> 02:15:25.439
All right.
1866
02:15:25.840 --> 02:15:30.199
To treat the great Crusades against humanity with the same
1867
02:15:30.239 --> 02:15:35.000
impartiality as the desperate struggles for humanity means neutralizing their
1868
02:15:35.119 --> 02:15:41.760
opposite historical function, reconciling the executioners with their victims, distorting
1869
02:15:41.800 --> 02:15:48.000
the record. Such spurious neutrality serves to reproduce acceptance of
1870
02:15:48.039 --> 02:15:51.439
the dominion of the victors in the consciousness of man.
1871
02:15:52.479 --> 02:15:57.399
So getting back to last episode, no, actually, an objective,
1872
02:15:57.920 --> 02:16:01.199
an objective overview of history is not good.
1873
02:16:01.279 --> 02:16:09.600
Actually yep. Here too, in the education of those who
1874
02:16:09.600 --> 02:16:12.720
are not yet maturely integrated in the mind of the young,
1875
02:16:12.920 --> 02:16:16.399
the ground for liberating tolerance is still to be created.
1876
02:16:17.039 --> 02:16:19.560
That's right, children are our future.
1877
02:16:21.439 --> 02:16:26.279
Education offers Still another example of spurious abstract tolerance in
1878
02:16:26.319 --> 02:16:29.800
the guise of concreteness and truth. It is epitomized in
1879
02:16:29.880 --> 02:16:37.399
the concept of self actualization, from the permissiveness of all
1880
02:16:37.479 --> 02:16:41.200
sorts of license to the child to the constant psychological
1881
02:16:41.239 --> 02:16:44.399
concern with the personal problems of the student. A large
1882
02:16:44.440 --> 02:16:48.399
scale movement is underway against the evils and repression and
1883
02:16:48.440 --> 02:16:50.760
the need for being oneself.
1884
02:16:51.920 --> 02:16:55.159
Frequently self heavily medicated in all times.
1885
02:16:57.520 --> 02:17:00.360
Frequently brushed aside is the question as to what has
1886
02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:04.799
to be repressed before one can be a self oneself.
1887
02:17:07.319 --> 02:17:11.479
The individual potential is first a negative one, a portion
1888
02:17:11.600 --> 02:17:19.120
of the potential of his society of aggression, guilt, feeling, ignorance, resentment, cruelty,
1889
02:17:19.959 --> 02:17:26.000
cruelty which vitiate his life instincts. If the identity of
1890
02:17:26.040 --> 02:17:28.799
the self is to be more than the immediate realization
1891
02:17:29.399 --> 02:17:33.360
of this potential, undesirable for the individual as human being,
1892
02:17:33.760 --> 02:17:38.200
then it requires repression and sublimation, conscious transformation.
1893
02:17:42.760 --> 02:17:46.120
This process involves at each stage SSRIs.
1894
02:17:48.280 --> 02:17:51.280
This process involves at each stage, to use the ridiculed
1895
02:17:51.399 --> 02:17:57.319
terms which here reveal their succinct concreteness, the negation of
1896
02:17:57.360 --> 02:18:02.920
the negation, mediation of the intermediate. An identity is no
1897
02:18:03.120 --> 02:18:08.760
more and no less than this process. These people so much.
1898
02:18:14.520 --> 02:18:19.719
Alienation is the constant and essential element of identity, the
1899
02:18:19.760 --> 02:18:23.360
objective side of the subject, and not as.
1900
02:18:26.040 --> 02:18:32.399
We identify ourselves through alien through what we are alienated from.
1901
02:18:32.440 --> 02:18:36.760
For the most part, alienation is the constant and essential
1902
02:18:37.399 --> 02:18:41.440
element of identity, the objective side of the subject, and
1903
02:18:41.479 --> 02:18:44.239
not as it is made to appear today, a disease
1904
02:18:44.639 --> 02:18:51.000
of psychological condition. Freud Well knew the difference between progressive
1905
02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:56.399
and regressive, liberating and destructive repression the publicity of self
1906
02:18:56.440 --> 02:18:59.959
actualization promotes the removal of the one and the other.
1907
02:19:00.440 --> 02:19:05.200
It promotes existence in that immediacy, which in a repressive
1908
02:19:05.239 --> 02:19:11.319
society is, to use another Hegelian term, bad immediacy. I'm
1909
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not gonna do I'm not doing German today.
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Thats mite bark.
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It isolates the individual from the one dimension where he
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could find himself, from his political existence, which is at
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the core of his entire existence.
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This is why I fucking hate Frankfurt School because it
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is basically just Freud and it's all German. So you
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can you can take probably two thirds of the sentences
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that we read so far and just delete them, and
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then the remaining third is what he was actually trying
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to say.
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Freud Yaqui does some destruction of Freud in part one
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of Imperium that is beautiful and is just a map
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and unbelievable takedown. Instead, it encourages nonconformity and letting go
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in ways which leave the real engines of repression in
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the society entirely intact, which even strengthened these engines by
1925
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substituting the satisfactions of private and personal rebellion for a
1926
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more than private and personal and therefore more authentic opposition.
1927
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Oh God.
1928
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The desublimation involved in this sort of self actualization is
1929
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itself repressive inasmuch as it weakens the necessity and the
1930
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power of the intellect, the catalytic force of that unhappy consciousness,
1931
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which does not revel in the archetype, in the archetypal
1932
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personal release of frustration, hopeless resurgence of the id, which
1933
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will sooner or later succumb to the omnipresent rationality of
1934
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the administered world, but which recognizes the horror of the
1935
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whole in the most private frustrated and actualizes itself in
1936
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this recognition. Oh fuck yourself so much, man.
1937
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It's he just fucking freuded up. God, I can't do
1938
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it so bad.
1939
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Oh oh.
1940
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The TV show Mash used to push Freud. They would
1941
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bring on this, It would bring on this psychologist every
1942
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once in a while, Sydney, you know, try member. Oh yeah,
1943
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and he would he was like writing letters to Freud.
1944
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He was constantly like, you know, talking, quoting Freud. And
1945
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it's just like, oh God, that show was so bad.
1946
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It was. It was great in the first couple of seasons.
1947
02:21:45.520 --> 02:21:47.920
What was just a comedy. But then Alan all that
1948
02:21:48.000 --> 02:21:53.239
took over, and it was like, oh no, no. I've
1949
02:21:53.280 --> 02:21:57.000
tried to show how the changes in advanced democratic societies
1950
02:21:57.159 --> 02:22:00.719
which have undermined the basis of economic and political liberalism,
1951
02:22:01.040 --> 02:22:06.479
have also altered the liberal function of tolerance. The tolerance,
1952
02:22:06.520 --> 02:22:09.479
which was the great achievement of the liberal era, is
1953
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still professed with, professed, and with strong qualifications practiced, while
1954
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the economic and political process is subjected to an ubiquitous
1955
02:22:20.159 --> 02:22:24.159
and effective administration in accordance with the predominant interests.
1956
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All right, he's he's back to being somewhat understandable.
1957
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The results is an objective contradiction between the economic and
1958
02:22:33.719 --> 02:22:36.719
political structure on the one side, and the theory and
1959
02:22:36.840 --> 02:22:38.840
practice of toleration on the other.
1960
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I can get down with that.
1961
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The altered social structure tends to weaken the effectiveness of
1962
02:22:46.559 --> 02:22:51.879
tolerance towards dissenting and oppositional movements and to strengthen conservative
1963
02:22:51.920 --> 02:22:53.440
and reactionary forces.
1964
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Knowing what we know now, not so much.
1965
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Equality of tolerance becomes abstract spurious with the actual decline
1966
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of dissenting forces in the society. The opposition is insulated
1967
02:23:08.879 --> 02:23:13.399
in small and frequently antagonistic groups who even were tolerated
1968
02:23:13.440 --> 02:23:16.239
within the narrow limits set by the hierarchical structure of
1969
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society are powerless while they keep within their limits, I
1970
02:23:19.639 --> 02:23:20.920
mean one hundred percent.
1971
02:23:21.440 --> 02:23:22.559
He's describing the right.
1972
02:23:22.920 --> 02:23:27.840
Well, yeah, yeah, but the tolerance shown to them is
1973
02:23:27.920 --> 02:23:34.040
deceptive and promotes coordination and on the firm foundations of
1974
02:23:34.079 --> 02:23:39.000
a coordinated society all but closed against qualitative change. Tolerance
1975
02:23:39.040 --> 02:23:44.120
itself serves to contain such change rather than to promote it. Yeah,
1976
02:23:44.200 --> 02:23:50.479
I mean, this is just more chomps what Chompsky eventually
1977
02:23:50.879 --> 02:23:53.159
really starts talking about.
1978
02:23:52.760 --> 02:23:56.639
I forget who the organizer was, but the guy that
1979
02:23:56.760 --> 02:24:01.559
started Lollapalooza back in nineteen ninety one and originally intended
1980
02:24:01.600 --> 02:24:02.559
it to be like this.
1981
02:24:02.920 --> 02:24:04.879
Was it Perry Farrel? Was it for Perry fell from
1982
02:24:05.159 --> 02:24:06.719
Jamee's addiction or was it someone else?
1983
02:24:07.840 --> 02:24:11.760
I think it was somebody else. I'm pretty sure it
1984
02:24:11.799 --> 02:24:12.520
was a Jewish guy.
1985
02:24:12.639 --> 02:24:14.959
But uh, it was a Jewish guy.
1986
02:24:15.040 --> 02:24:17.680
All right, Maybe maybe it was him. I don't remember
1987
02:24:17.680 --> 02:24:21.799
his name, but within like it started in nineteen ninety one,
1988
02:24:21.879 --> 02:24:25.520
By nineteen ninety two, there were t shirt kios selling
1989
02:24:25.719 --> 02:24:29.760
selling t shirts for like twenty three dollars, which at
1990
02:24:29.760 --> 02:24:33.200
the time was ridiculous, and the bands weren't allowed to undercut.
1991
02:24:33.639 --> 02:24:36.600
There were you know, you weren't allowed to bring blankets
1992
02:24:36.600 --> 02:24:39.200
in because they wanted to charge you for their own plank.
1993
02:24:39.760 --> 02:24:43.600
It within a year, so you still had this this
1994
02:24:43.760 --> 02:24:49.000
idea of you know, this rebellious, this rebellious festival full
1995
02:24:49.040 --> 02:24:53.120
of you know, anti corporate you know, all these anti
1996
02:24:53.159 --> 02:24:58.200
corporate actors, and but it existed within the framework of
1997
02:24:58.280 --> 02:24:59.319
everything that they hated.
1998
02:25:00.319 --> 02:25:06.719
I was at one, two and three. Yeah. Yeah, the
1999
02:25:06.760 --> 02:25:10.200
first year was great. The first year was fantastic. Yeah.
2000
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After that it was just like, yeah, I mean.
2001
02:25:14.399 --> 02:25:17.000
It still looked great, Like looking at the videos from
2002
02:25:17.000 --> 02:25:18.559
back in the day, it still looked amazing.
2003
02:25:18.639 --> 02:25:21.040
But well the bands were great and everything. But you know,
2004
02:25:21.040 --> 02:25:24.680
it's just like, yeah, but it did. It was like
2005
02:25:25.600 --> 02:25:28.000
it was sort of like it sort of wanted it
2006
02:25:28.200 --> 02:25:31.319
to be like the Agora. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean
2007
02:25:31.319 --> 02:25:35.120
it just yeah, yeah, I mean ten dollars waters and
2008
02:25:35.159 --> 02:25:41.120
stuff like that. Eventually within a year. But the tolerance
2009
02:25:41.159 --> 02:25:43.879
shown to them as acceptive and promotes coordination and on
2010
02:25:43.920 --> 02:25:47.360
the firm foundation of a coordinator society all but closed
2011
02:25:47.440 --> 02:25:51.360
against qualitative change. Tolerance itself serves to contain such change,
2012
02:25:51.440 --> 02:25:53.040
rather than to promote it.
2013
02:25:53.200 --> 02:25:57.120
These yeah, think of lollapalooza, these things.
2014
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Yeah, and I just looked it up real quick. They do.
2015
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At least Wikipedia calls Perry Ferrell the founder. These same
2016
02:26:06.399 --> 02:26:10.639
conditions render the critique of such tolerance abstract and academic,
2017
02:26:10.959 --> 02:26:15.520
and the proposition that the balance between tolerance, the tolerance
2018
02:26:15.559 --> 02:26:18.760
towards the right and toward the left, would have to
2019
02:26:18.760 --> 02:26:22.280
be radically redressed in order to restore the liberating function
2020
02:26:22.360 --> 02:26:29.559
of tolerance becomes only an unrealistic speculation. Indeed, such a
2021
02:26:29.639 --> 02:26:33.040
redressing seems to be tantamounts to the establishment of a
2022
02:26:33.200 --> 02:26:38.600
right of resistance to the point of subversion. Yeah. Yeah,
2023
02:26:38.639 --> 02:26:46.920
so you have to basically allow one of those groups
2024
02:26:47.840 --> 02:26:53.319
to side with the state and then you can control them.
2025
02:26:54.120 --> 02:26:58.479
Well, I mean, if you ask any liberal what their ideal,
2026
02:26:59.440 --> 02:27:03.399
I mean, where their definition of tolerances it would they
2027
02:27:03.719 --> 02:27:08.680
would probably say that it includes you know, movements, subversive movements,
2028
02:27:08.799 --> 02:27:13.719
which is, you know, in and of itself leftist and
2029
02:27:13.920 --> 02:27:19.879
anti rightist. No, it is you know. They would also
2030
02:27:19.920 --> 02:27:25.360
say that they would tolerate, you know, activism towards a
2031
02:27:25.479 --> 02:27:28.639
return to tradition and a return to uh you know,
2032
02:27:28.760 --> 02:27:31.000
homogeneity and all that, but only up to a point
2033
02:27:31.040 --> 02:27:32.239
where you used to Hitler.
2034
02:27:32.639 --> 02:27:37.520
Well, well, I mean you you're a an iron kingdom.
2035
02:27:38.520 --> 02:27:43.440
More so in the twenties, the existing government and Hindenburg
2036
02:27:43.520 --> 02:27:47.120
and everything was I mean, they were tolerance of the left,
2037
02:27:47.159 --> 02:27:50.000
but they were more aligned with the right.
2038
02:27:50.680 --> 02:27:50.920
Yep.
2039
02:27:51.239 --> 02:27:55.040
So the the real revolution you would call the real
2040
02:27:55.120 --> 02:27:58.280
revolutionaries would be coming from the left, and that would
2041
02:27:58.319 --> 02:27:59.399
be the k KPD.
2042
02:28:00.280 --> 02:28:00.520
Yep.
2043
02:28:04.440 --> 02:28:07.840
There is not there cannot be any such right for
2044
02:28:07.920 --> 02:28:11.440
any group or individual against the constitutional government sustained by
2045
02:28:11.440 --> 02:28:16.040
a majority of the population. But I believe that there
2046
02:28:16.120 --> 02:28:19.799
is a natural right of resistance for oppressed and overpowered
2047
02:28:19.879 --> 02:28:23.760
minorities to use extra legal means if the legal ones
2048
02:28:23.799 --> 02:28:25.239
have proved to be inadequate.
2049
02:28:26.360 --> 02:28:29.280
All right, you heard him, did he?
2050
02:28:29.680 --> 02:28:33.840
I mean, but I wonder what he would when he's
2051
02:28:33.920 --> 02:28:37.920
looking at this, if he were to see, now, what
2052
02:28:37.959 --> 02:28:42.520
would his opinion be of what is happening and the
2053
02:28:42.600 --> 02:28:47.040
fact that it's actually promoted from on high.
2054
02:28:47.559 --> 02:28:53.440
Yeah, I mean you could probably there's probably more than
2055
02:28:53.479 --> 02:28:56.760
a handful of people that are directly influenced by Marcuse
2056
02:28:56.959 --> 02:29:01.399
on the left that you could kind of see that
2057
02:29:01.440 --> 02:29:05.479
they're in lockstep with whatever they're told to be Yep.
2058
02:29:08.040 --> 02:29:15.559
Whether that's whether they're doing it grudgingly or whether they're skeptical,
2059
02:29:16.040 --> 02:29:16.520
I don't know.
2060
02:29:20.079 --> 02:29:22.520
Law and order are always in everywhere, the law and
2061
02:29:22.680 --> 02:29:26.959
order which protect the established hierarchy. It is nonsensical to
2062
02:29:27.040 --> 02:29:30.280
invoke the absolute authority of this law and this order
2063
02:29:30.319 --> 02:29:33.360
against those who suffer from it and struggle against it,
2064
02:29:33.879 --> 02:29:37.440
not for personal advantages and revenge, but for their share
2065
02:29:37.479 --> 02:29:43.559
of humanity. There is no other judge over them than
2066
02:29:43.600 --> 02:29:49.040
the constituted authorities, the police, and their own conscience. If
2067
02:29:49.079 --> 02:29:51.920
they use violence, they do not start a new chain
2068
02:29:51.959 --> 02:29:55.040
of violence, but try to break an established one.
2069
02:29:56.159 --> 02:29:56.920
Yeah, that's right.
2070
02:29:59.159 --> 02:30:08.440
Hold on, someone send me it, Ryan Dawson Bell, Well,
2071
02:30:08.520 --> 02:30:12.120
let me read that again, because that's that's a good one.
2072
02:30:12.799 --> 02:30:15.440
If they use violence, they do not start a new
2073
02:30:15.559 --> 02:30:18.840
chain of violence, but try to break an established one.
2074
02:30:21.319 --> 02:30:24.360
Does that mean violence is permissible in all instances?
2075
02:30:26.399 --> 02:30:34.000
Well, only from one group, I'm sorry, since they will
2076
02:30:34.040 --> 02:30:36.879
be punished, they know the risk and when they are
2077
02:30:36.879 --> 02:30:40.520
willing to take it. No third person, and least of
2078
02:30:40.600 --> 02:30:44.639
all the educator and intellectual, has a right to to
2079
02:30:44.760 --> 02:30:46.000
preach them abstention.
2080
02:30:49.559 --> 02:30:53.840
Hey, I mean to their credit, like actual Marxists, actual
2081
02:30:53.920 --> 02:30:59.040
communists have no problem calling calling the pacifist a liberal.
2082
02:30:59.639 --> 02:31:04.879
Yeah yeah, oh yeah, I mean yeah, what was that
2083
02:31:04.879 --> 02:31:07.760
that one piece of graffiti that was making it around
2084
02:31:09.280 --> 02:31:12.479
Liberals get the rope too, Yeah yeah, I had with
2085
02:31:12.600 --> 02:31:13.680
a hammer and sickle on it.
2086
02:31:14.319 --> 02:31:16.840
Yeah.
2087
02:31:16.920 --> 02:31:18.760
Yeah. If only there were more of them like that.
2088
02:31:21.000 --> 02:31:23.799
You know, it's a lot of people from our side
2089
02:31:23.920 --> 02:31:29.360
came to understand just how useless and actually dangerous liberalism
2090
02:31:29.440 --> 02:31:34.760
and classical liberalism is from like from neo reactionary, from
2091
02:31:34.760 --> 02:31:37.200
like Italian elitists and everything. And I think we both
2092
02:31:37.239 --> 02:31:43.239
came to it from like reading Lenin. Yeah we can't.
2093
02:31:44.360 --> 02:31:48.040
We finished reading Lenin and we're like, oh, oh, those
2094
02:31:48.079 --> 02:31:52.639
guys kind of go those guys are useless. Those guys
2095
02:31:53.360 --> 02:31:56.200
they're not only useless, they're kind of productive. Holy shit.
2096
02:31:56.399 --> 02:32:01.319
Yeah, oh atross around our neck.
2097
02:32:02.399 --> 02:32:04.559
So what do you what do you think of this one?
2098
02:32:05.319 --> 02:32:09.920
That was good? I I I love getting into uh,
2099
02:32:10.360 --> 02:32:16.079
getting into dialectical materialism. I hate Freud, and I love
2100
02:32:16.159 --> 02:32:18.840
that he finally he finally said it. We need to
2101
02:32:18.840 --> 02:32:22.319
tolerate violence from the left, and we need to not
2102
02:32:22.440 --> 02:32:23.879
tolerate violence from the right.
2103
02:32:24.559 --> 02:32:28.920
Yeah, I mean I would rather they just speak the truth.
2104
02:32:29.440 --> 02:32:32.280
I mean, that's the Yeah, it's a great thing about
2105
02:32:32.479 --> 02:32:35.879
people in the Frankfurt school and you know Marxist Leninis.
2106
02:32:36.319 --> 02:32:39.719
They they're going to tell you exactly, You're not going
2107
02:32:39.760 --> 02:32:44.600
to question what they believe. Yeah, yep. Where you know
2108
02:32:44.719 --> 02:32:49.399
people who may have more right wing tendencies than say
2109
02:32:49.760 --> 02:32:54.639
like Glenn Beck, I have to hide them because yeah
2110
02:32:54.639 --> 02:32:58.040
they uh yeah, yeah, because.
2111
02:33:00.399 --> 02:33:05.559
They get their their material material condition is contingent on
2112
02:33:05.719 --> 02:33:07.920
pleasing their liberal overlords.
2113
02:33:08.079 --> 02:33:13.280
Yeah, classical liberal overlords and neo liberal overlords.
2114
02:33:14.120 --> 02:33:16.239
Yep, don't get canceled.
2115
02:33:18.200 --> 02:33:22.040
And it's you know, it's I understand why Owen Benjamin
2116
02:33:22.079 --> 02:33:24.520
went out there and he has eighty chickens and ten
2117
02:33:24.600 --> 02:33:26.840
goats and all these cows and everything like that.
2118
02:33:26.959 --> 02:33:27.280
He is.
2119
02:33:28.799 --> 02:33:33.159
Everything. If it all got taken away from him, even
2120
02:33:33.159 --> 02:33:39.719
if he couldn't spend paper, still live, still survive. Yeah.
2121
02:33:40.840 --> 02:33:45.360
Yeah. I Actually, my my cousin who's in my in
2122
02:33:45.440 --> 02:33:49.120
my wedding party, he texted me today is like, hey, man, like,
2123
02:33:49.159 --> 02:33:53.559
should I start thinking about like you know, forming alliances
2124
02:33:53.600 --> 02:33:56.000
and like getting to know my neighbors and stalking up
2125
02:33:56.000 --> 02:33:59.559
on Ammo? Because thanks right now? Really fucked and I
2126
02:33:59.559 --> 02:34:01.879
don't know how high or drunk he was at the time,
2127
02:34:02.000 --> 02:34:05.680
but I was like, man, we'll be fine, Like, we
2128
02:34:05.840 --> 02:34:06.639
will be fine.
2129
02:34:09.040 --> 02:34:11.840
You didn't want to you don't want to break it
2130
02:34:11.879 --> 02:34:12.200
to them.
2131
02:34:12.600 --> 02:34:15.639
Well, that's that's the uh, that's the difference between online
2132
02:34:15.680 --> 02:34:18.840
me and real life met. I know that at least
2133
02:34:18.920 --> 02:34:21.959
where I'm at, I have a good support network I have.
2134
02:34:22.600 --> 02:34:27.040
I'm pretty secure in my Uh. It's like ship would
2135
02:34:27.040 --> 02:34:29.440
really have to go down for me to be in
2136
02:34:29.479 --> 02:34:33.479
any any real danger of starvation or going to jail
2137
02:34:33.559 --> 02:34:37.639
or anything like that, which it may very well, but
2138
02:34:37.920 --> 02:34:39.920
at the end of the day, I'll be fine.
2139
02:34:40.600 --> 02:34:40.840
Mh.
2140
02:34:41.360 --> 02:34:44.200
I think. I think if you're watching this show, you
2141
02:34:44.239 --> 02:34:47.000
already kind of have that in your in your mind.
2142
02:34:48.280 --> 02:34:51.280
You know, the the the trip wires that need to
2143
02:34:51.280 --> 02:34:54.600
happen before you start really freaking out. And I don't
2144
02:34:54.600 --> 02:34:55.520
think we're there yet.
2145
02:34:56.000 --> 02:34:59.559
No, No, we're not there yet, but I know what
2146
02:34:59.600 --> 02:35:00.200
it looks like.
2147
02:35:00.879 --> 02:35:02.079
Yeah, exactly, Yep.
2148
02:35:02.440 --> 02:35:05.719
To study, if anybody wants to go study, don't ask
2149
02:35:05.719 --> 02:35:11.239
me for book recommendations. Steady Yugoslavia sided places like that, Yep.
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I mean we can draw a lot on history and
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we can kind of you know, parse things out a
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priority with everything that's going on right now, you know,
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foreign policy wise, domestically. But I think by and large,
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if you're not in a highly populated urban area that
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with you know, less than favorable demographics, you'll probably be fine.
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Yep, yep, working on Uh even where I am right
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now is a little too much for me. Working on
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getting out Yep. We're going to get a little more. Yeah,
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h the potential place. You're gonna have to know exactly
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where that is to even find it.
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It looks amazing.
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Yeah yeah, oh man, But all right, why don't you
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talk about t L E or whatever you want to
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talk about.
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I don't want to talk about t Luck. Those guys.
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Those guys are there's something wrong with them sometimes. Yeah,
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this is one episode they got Donald Trump on there
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and like Tucker Harles, the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
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I'll give your audience a stick peek where we're going
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to get to the manisphere. Oh my god, we're gonna
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be talking about the linear man doing everything in a
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straight line.
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At least it'll be straight all right, man, Thank you
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very much, thanks for having me. Thank Gar