Goebbels' 'Knowledge and Propaganda' w/ Aaron from Timeline Earth

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I want to welcome everyone back to the Picanhona Show.
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Aaron's back. How's it going, Aaron?
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What's going on? Happy to be here.
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We're going to talk about, we're going to look at
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a speech by a Nazi.
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I don't believe it.
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This is amazing.
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I was just saying to Bert earlier, you know, I'm
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coming on the heels of your closeout of Hitler's foreign
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policy with Thomas. And I'm like, who the hell is
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going to want to listen to me after that?
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Oh, I think, you know, if you remember that Goebbels
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at this time was still running around with a KPD,
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you know, that he, I mean, really up until the end,
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I mean, he ran with them for about 12, 13 years.
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Yeah.
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Then you start to, you know, when you read some
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of the stuff that he's, when you read his speeches
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or read some of the stuff he wrote, you're like, oh, okay,
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that makes sense. This makes sense. Okay.
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Yeah.
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So, yeah, having you on for that, because, I mean,
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I don't know that you know as much about communism
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as Thomas does, but you know a hell of a
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lot more about communism than most people I know.
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Yep, I'm a real comrade.
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All right, just a little bit about this is... It
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is from January 9th, 1928, to an audience of party
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members at the so-called Hochschule für Politik, a series of
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training talks for party members in Berlin. It's Goebbels' most
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extended discussion on the nature of propaganda, all the more
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interesting because of its early date. It is worth comparing
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this speech to one he gave seven years later to
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a closed gathering of party propagandists at the 1935 Nuremberg rally.
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That speech was not published. The text is available. Yeah,
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but yada, yada. So, yeah, this is, I mean, 1928.
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This is five years before. This is five, you know,
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more than five years before they take power.
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Yeah.
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So the situation.
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Is even more tenuous than it was when they took power. Yeah.
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Yes. All right. I'm going to start. Stop me anytime.
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You know how this works. All right. Knowledge and Propaganda
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by Joseph Goebbels. My dear fellow party members, our topic
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this evening is hotly disputed. I realize that my viewpoint
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is subjective. There is really little point in discussing propaganda.
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There is really little point in discussing propaganda. It is
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a matter of practice, not of theory. It's experiential.
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You have to experience propaganda in order to understand it.
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Exactly. Exactly. There's no theory behind it. It doesn't... It
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doesn't work unless someone experiences it.
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Yeah.
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One cannot determine theoretically whether one propaganda is better than another. Rather,
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that propaganda is good that has the desired results, and
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that propaganda is bad that does not lead to the
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desired results. Consequential? Consequentialism?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It does not matter how clever it is, for the
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task of propaganda is not to be clever. Its task
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is to lead to success. I therefore avoid theoretical discussions
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about propaganda, for there is no point to it. Propaganda
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shows that it is good if over a certain period
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it can win over and fire up the people for
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an idea. If it fails to do so, it's bad propaganda.
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If propaganda wins the people it wanted to win, it
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was presumably good, and if not, it was presumably bad.
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No one can say that you're... You.
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Can tell that this is before the invention of the
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24-hour news cycle because propaganda today is designed to fire
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you up for about 10 minutes.
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Yeah.
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And then you click on whatever you need to click
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on to generate revenue and then you forget about it.
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So that is the standard for what's good propaganda now.
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Yeah, so basically it's just a rush.
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Yeah, yep.
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If propaganda wins the people it wanted to win, it
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was presumably good, and if not, it was presumably bad.
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No one can say that your propaganda is too crude
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or too low or brutal or that it is not
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decent enough, for those are not the relevant criteria. Its
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purpose is not to be decent or gentle or weak
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or modest. It is to be successful. That is why
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I have intentionally chosen to discuss propaganda along with a
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second theme, knowledge. Otherwise, our discussion this evening would be
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of little value. We have not gathered to discuss lovely theories,
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but rather to find ways of practically working together to
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deal with our everyday challenges. What is propaganda and what
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role does it have in political life? That is the
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question of the greatest interest to us. How should propaganda
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look and what is its role in our movement? Is
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it an end in itself or only a means to
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an end? We must discuss that, but we can do
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that only when we begin with the origin of propaganda itself,
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namely the idea, then move to the target of propaganda,
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namely people. Ideas in themselves are timeless. They are not
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tied to individuals, much less to a people. They rest
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in a people. It is true and affects their attitudes. Ideas,
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people say, are in the clouds.
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Who does that sound like?
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Plato? Ideas, people say, are in the clouds, yeah.
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Yeah. Ideas exist independently of the mind. Yeah.
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That's what I picked up when I read that. I
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was like, oh, he's platonic.
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That's also in Hinduism, too. Oh, is it? Yeah. Outside
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the mind, watching the thinker. Yeah. All right. When someone
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comes along who can put in words what everyone feels
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in their heart, each feels, yes, that is what I
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always wanted and hoped for. That is what happens the
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first time one hears one of Hitler's major speeches. I
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have met people who have attended a Hitler meeting for
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the first time, and at the end they said, this
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man puts in words everything I have been searching for
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for years.
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For the first time.
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When you can distill... and articulate what people are, what
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people feel, but are unable to articulate. That's, that's the best. It's, it's, it's,
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it's awesome on both ends. Like when somebody says like,
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you know, I never knew how to express that. Like that,
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that's awesome on our end. And when we're reading something
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or listening to something that distills an idea into just
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a form that's easily digestible and fires you up, that's,
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that's amazing.
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Others are lost in confusion, but suddenly someone stands up
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and puts it in words. Now, I've heard everything from
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goat to gutta. How do you pronounce it?
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Goth, I guess.
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I'm going to say gutta because that's the last way
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I heard it said. Goethe's words become reality. Lost in
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silent misery, God gave someone to express my suffering.
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You shouldn't ask me how to pronounce any philosopher's name.
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I'm the last person you want to ask.
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But that's a great line there. Lost in silent misery,
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God gave someone to express my suffering.
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Yeah. Some kind of idea is the beginning of every
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political movement. It is not necessary to put this idea
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in a thick book, nor that it take political form
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in a hundred long paragraphs.
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People somehow manage. Yeah.
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History proves that the greatest world movements have always developed
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when their leaders knew how to unify their followers under
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a short, clear theme. That's just something I've been saying
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recently with the whole libertarian party thing, is... Really, when
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it comes to activism, when it comes to ideological activism,
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you don't want a party, a political party, because it's
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just pure bureaucracy. The best way to do it is
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you pick one narrow topic and you become like a
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lobby group for it. You become a propagandist for it
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and you just go after elected. Now you are going
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after elected officials. You don't have to worry about getting elected.
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You're going to go after the elected officials. That's the
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way National Association for Gun Rights basically got constitutional carry.
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And half the states in this country is by going
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to politicians and saying, we're going to run this person.
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We have this person who's going to run against you
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in a primary.
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Yeah.
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If you don't, you know, if you don't promise this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's that. The Libertarian Party has somehow sunk to new depths.
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I didn't know were imaginable, but I guess it's not surprising. Yeah.
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Well, I mean, I said it was going to happen.
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You just, you know, managerialism takes over. So yeah. All right.
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That is clear from the French revolution or Cromwell's movement
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or Buddhism, Islam, or Christianity. Christ's goal was clear and simple.
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Love your neighbor as yourself. He gathered his followers behind
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that straightforward statement. Because this teaching was simple, crisp, clear,
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and understandable, enabling the broad masses to stand behind it,
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it in the end conquered the world. One then builds
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a whole system of thought on socialism. a brief, crisply
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formulated idea. The idea does not remain limited to this
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single statement, rather it is applied to every aspect of
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daily life and becomes the guide for all human activity. Politics, culture,
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the economy, every area of human behavior. It becomes a worldview.
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We see that in all great revolutionary movements, which begin
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with a clear, crisp, understandable, all-encompassing idea. They spread more
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and more and become a mirror of life that reflects
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all activities of the people, and indeed in a particular way.
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I wonder if there's a German word for ideology.
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Yes.
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That seems more like what he's describing.
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I think he's describing a culture.
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Then one can say that a person has a worldview,
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not because he knows a lot or has read a lot,
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but because he sees all of life from a certain
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standpoint and measures everything by a certain standard. I'm a
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Christian when I believe that the meaning of life is
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the heavy responsibility to love my neighbor as myself. Kant
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once said, act as if the principle of your life
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could be the principle for your entire nation.
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Is that the categorical imperative?
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Act as if the principle for your life could be
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the principle for your entire nation. Yeah. Well, I mean,
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look what he mentions in the next sentence. He says,
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I am a national socialist, not when I want this
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or that from politics, rather when I consider all aspects
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of daily life. I must act in all things by
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putting the good of the whole above my personal good,
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by putting the good of the state above my personal good.
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But then I also have the guarantee that such a
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state will be able to protect my personal life.
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That is such an important caveat. And that's why it's
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going to be very difficult for us, people on our side,
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to put their trust in any type of person or
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movement or, or idea, um, that turns into a worldview that,
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that ends up, you know, that could potentially end up
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getting power is it takes a very long time or
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a very desperate population to place that trust in those things.
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Well, yeah, it takes, uh, it takes a while more.
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Yeah. Yup. It takes desperate. It's going to be desperation,
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you know, Time, you can talk to any number of people.
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They'll tell you that time is not on our side.
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So it's going to take desperation.
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I am a national socialist when I see everything in politics, culture,
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or the economy from this standpoint. I therefore do not
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evaluate the theater from the standpoint of whether it is
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elegant or amusing. Rather, I ask, is it good for
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my people? Is it useful for them? Does it strengthen
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the community? If so, the community in turn can benefit, support,
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and strengthen me. I do not see the economy as
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some sort of way of making money. Rather, I want
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an economy that will strengthen the people, make them healthy
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and powerful. Then, too, I can expect that this people
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will support and maintain me. If I see things in
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this way, I see the economy in National Socialist terms.
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Does that sound like socialism to you as, you know,
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like a libertarian would say, call someone a socialist?
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No, the antithesis. That is the antithesis of anarcho-capitalism. I mean,
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I guess they would say, you know, you have the
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option to think that way, but you have the option
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to think whatever way you want. And still participate in society.
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Yeah. If I deliver this crisp, clear idea into a
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system of thought that includes all human devices, wishes, and actions,
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I have a worldview. As an idea develops into a worldview,
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the goal is the state. Knowledge does not remain the
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property of a certain group but fights for power. It
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is not just the fantasy of a few people among
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the people. Rather, it becomes the idea of the rulers,
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the circles that have power. The view does not only preach,
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but it is carried out in practice.
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I recall a long time ago when we were reading
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State and Revolution, just going over it and, and look,
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viewing it in terms of praxis, you know, during the,
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during the October revolution, November revolution, everything leading up to
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it and everything after it, praxis, praxis, praxis. And, um,
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you know, at the time we were kind of moving
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away from libertarianism because of that. And it's the same
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thing with this national socialism. It places an emphasis on praxis,
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like practical application of your, of your knowledge of your,
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of your theory or whatever. And, um, I don't, I
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don't see that happening with, uh, even, you know, unfortunately
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a lot of people that I like that espouse a
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worldview that I agree with, I don't see them emphasizing it. Yeah.
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Yep. Then the idea becomes the worldview of the state.
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The worldview has become a government organism when it seizes
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power and can influence life not only in theory, but
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in practical everyday life. Now we must consider who is
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the carrier, the transmitter, the guardian of such ideas.
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The great man.
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An idea always lives in individuals. It seeks an individual
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to transmit its great intellectual force. It becomes alive in
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a brain and seeks escape through the mouth. The idea
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is preached by individuals, individuals who will never be satisfied
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to have the knowledge remain theirs alone.
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I thought that was a very well-constructed paragraph and figured
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that's why he's the minister of propaganda. Yeah.
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Well, I mean, you know, the great thing about a
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speech about knowledge and propaganda is he's propagandizing with it.
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Yeah. Yep. He practices what he preaches.
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You know that from experience. When one knows something, one
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does not keep it hidden like a buried treasure, but
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rather one seeks to tell others. One looks for people
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who should know it. One feels that everyone else should
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know as well, for one feels alone when no one
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else knows. For example, if I see a beautiful painting
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in an art gallery, I have the need to tell others.
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I meet a good friend and say to him, I
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found a wonderful picture. I have to show it to you.
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The same is true of ideas. If an idea lives
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in an individual, he has the urge to tell others.
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There is some mysterious force in us that drives us
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to tell others. The greater and simpler the idea, the
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more it relates to daily life. The more one has
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the desire to tell everyone about it.
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And it's a testament to, you know, the, the system
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we live under that we hesitate to tell people about
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these great ideas in real life. I mean, I, I,
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I see great ideas on my timeline every single day
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and I want to tell people, but I usually just
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stop at my wife and see how, see what she thinks.
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And then, you know, if I, if, if I go,
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if I go to bed and nothing happens that I
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know it was a bad idea and I just annoyed her.
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So yeah, But it's a testament to the counter propaganda
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machinery that we live under that we naturally hesitate to
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promulgate these good ideas. Almost like they know what they're doing.
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Yeah.
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We have to say it in hushed tones and quiet
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amongst people we trust. Right.
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And then if it gets to the point where it's
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so dangerous to say certain things, then everyone's a fed
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and you don't want to talk to anyone.
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Yeah. And, um, you know, as, as, as awesome as
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the internet is, um, I think that the next big
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thing is going to spread via word of mouth and
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probably semi hermetic circles because it has to, because nobody
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wants to get arrested.
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If I believe that the nation must be governed by
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the principle that the common good comes before the individual good,
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I will tell it to those to whom it applies.
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As soon as I realize that this principle is not
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only of a transcendental nature, but that it applies to
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daily life, I have the need to tell it to
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those in the economic world. And if I see it
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applies to culture as well, I have the need to
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tell it to those involved in cultural activities. The great
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masses will never be won simply by such a sentence.
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It must cast its shadow over all areas of human life. Yep. Yeah.
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Gramsci was one who understood this. Yeah.
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It has to march through institutions. Yep.
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You see how an idea spreads and becomes a worldview
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and how the bearer, the individual, reaches out to form
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a community and how an organization, then a movement, grows
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from the individual.
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Yep.
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The idea is no longer buried in the heart and
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mind of an individual. Now there are 4, 5, 10, 20, 30, 50, 80, 100,
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and ever more. That is the secret of ideas. They
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are like a wildfire that cannot be restrained. They are
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like a gas that seeps through everything.
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I saw that said. and was like, this is too easy.
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Yeah. Ugh. Where an idea finds entry, it enters, and
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soon that person is influencing others. The others cannot stop it.
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They may believe they can stop the fire by force.
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They may even be able to do so for 2
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or 10, 20 or 50 years. But this is not
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significant in the larger course of world history. It is
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irrelevant if something happens today or tomorrow or even years
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in the future. Yeah.
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It's a very transcendental view.
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Well, the... And the thing is, is that you can
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have the greatest idea in the world, and you can
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tell it to a bunch of people, and 2,000 people
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can hold on to it and love it and want
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to talk about it. But if they're not willing to
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put it into motion, if they're not willing to get
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the ball rolling on it and implement it, that's when
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it's just theory.
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Yeah, yep.
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It is possible to slow an idea by force for
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a certain period of time. In reality, however, that advances
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the idea for forces drive out that which is weak.
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That's really good. That's really good.
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Yeah.
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Now, when everybody's like what you believe, you know, hardly
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anybody believes that. There might be a reason.
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Might be a reason. The elements that do not really
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belong collapse. Suddenly the individual becomes a community, a movement,
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and if you prefer, a party. Each movement begins as
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a party. That does not mean it has to follow
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the methods of parliamentary parties. We see a party as
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a part of the people. As an idea spreads, becoming
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a worldview that spreads to the community, the community will
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want to give the idea practical form. The party will
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feel the necessity to organize. Someone will suddenly have the idea.
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You think the way I do, the way I think.
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You are working over there. I am working here, and
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we know nothing of each other. That is absurd. It
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would be better if we worked together. If I did
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my part and you did yours, would it not be
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good if we met every month and talked? That is
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an organization. Gradually, a strong organism develops, a party ready
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to fight for its ideals, a party that does not
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want that will indeed continue to preach its ideals, but
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will never bring them into reality. As I said.
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It's extremely hard to start that process now, because anything
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outside of, if you want to call it the Overton window,
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never gets beyond one step. Where is it? Yeah, never
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gets beyond not being buried in the heart and mind
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of an individual. Or you may get up to, what
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are those numbers?
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20, no.
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Oh, 4, 5, 10, 20, 30, 50, 80, 100.
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Yeah, it may get up to 100. And I'm talking
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in real.
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Life, not X, not social media. That's a whole different
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story that that has its own end point that never materializes.
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But it's yeah, it's I'm telling you, like the next
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big thing is going to be something you hear in
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real life.
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Mm hmm. May have already happened. A recent example may help.
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Our movement is often accused of losing its character as
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a movement. Have you ever heard that? That if you
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change a little bit, oh, you don't understand it anymore.
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You're not a real National Socialist.
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You've lost the plot.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you couldn't hack it. Hack what? We are accused
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of taking the vast, broad, and ever-moving system of thought
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of Volkish movement and forcing it into a Procrustean bed.
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Procrustean bed.
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I looked that up, and it's basically like forcing something
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to be arbitrarily different. That's all it is. The emphasis
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is on the arbitrariness of it.
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Oh, you mean like they try to say post-libertarianism was just... Yeah.
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We supposedly had to chop off the legs of the
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movement that struck out. Eliminating important parts of the Volkisch idea.
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Volkisch idea. National socialism is only a surrogate for the
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real movement, some say. In fact, the Volkisch movement ran
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aground on this matter. Each declares his own particular interest
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central to the Volkisch movement and accuses anyone who does
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not share his views as being a traitor to the cause.
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This sounds familiar, huh? That is the way the Völkisch
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movement was before the war. If someone had been able
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to take this great idea, and the Völkisch idea was
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greater than the Marxist idea, and develop out of it
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a tightly disciplined political organization, then the Völkisch idea, not
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the Marxist idea, would have won on 9 November 1918.
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Marxism won because it had a better understanding of political conditions,
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because it had forged the sword it would later use
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to conquer the state. If a Völkisch organizer had understood
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how to form a great movement, it is a question
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of life or death for a nation. The Völkisch idea,
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not Marxism, would have won. It was a worldview, but
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it did not understand how to form a party and
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how to forge a sharp sword that would have enabled
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it to conquer the state.
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So is he drawing a distinction? I didn't get this.
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Is he drawing a distinction between National Socialism and the
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Völk movement? Yes.
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All right. That's what I thought. Yeah, because people who
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adhered to the Volk movement argued that the National Socialist
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was just a, was basically a bastardization. You know, you
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don't understand, you don't understand what you're doing. You don't
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understand who we are, kind of thing. But, you know,
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he points out that At the end of the war,
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I'm reading this book on my show, Blockade, right now,
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and it's about Vienna during the war and at the
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end of World War I. And immediately in Vienna, when
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the troops come back, when the kids come back, when
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the men come back, socialism has taken hold. So, I mean,
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they're bringing back socialism with them. They're bringing back Bolshevism
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with them.
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Yeah.
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Why?
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Yeah. Why?
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Because it was the only, at that point, it's really
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the one thing that is pushing back against what they
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would call the war profiteers and people like that.
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Yeah. No, that makes sense. Because, I mean, the right-wing
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coalition in Germany immediately post-World War I was like a
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coalition that included, um, democratic socialists and communists.
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Right.
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And, and these, and Volkish, the Volk movement. Yeah.
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Yeah. It was, I mean, for a second, I mean,
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they actually talk about like these whole, um, she talks
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about that. Well, I think her daughter went and visited a, um,
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a relative in Linz in Austria, and this is in
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like 1918, late 1918. And there are roving, roving, um,
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hordes going through the town and just taking everything, destroying everything.
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And she just offhandedly mentions, and they, I don't know why,
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but they look Russian. Huh? Well, there's a reason. There's
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a reason why they looked Russian. Because they were pouring
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over the border to take a country that was in tatters.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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The state needs a worldview. Christianity also conquered the state.
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And in the moment that it conquered the state, it
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began to carry out practical political activity. You can with
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justice claim, yes, but at the moment Christianity took over
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the state, it began to cease to being Christian. That
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is the tragedy of all great ideas. At the moment
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they enter the realm of this life of sin, of
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the all too human, they leave the heavens and lose
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to romantic magic. Wow, that sounds like James Burnham.
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Yeah.
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It's just Burnham talking about how when ideology is introduced
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to reality, it just gets punched in the mouth.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I don't know.
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I don't know if I agree with that. i don't
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00:29:19.150 --> 00:29:22.869
know that you can with justice claim yes but at
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the moment christianity took over the state it ceased being
489
00:29:25.130 --> 00:29:27.799
christian yeah.
490
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.279
Well i mean yeah i mean it's it just depends
491
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:33.559
it depends it.
492
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:38.819
Might have changed. Changed its nature. It has to. Yeah. Yeah,
493
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:43.470
I don't know. Something I'd have to work out.
494
00:29:43.589 --> 00:29:45.410
Yeah, the dogmas.
495
00:29:46.329 --> 00:29:49.730
Yeah.
496
00:29:49.829 --> 00:29:53.470
Okay. It becomes something normal. We are not discussing whether
497
00:29:53.529 --> 00:29:56.109
or not one can change the nature of life. Things
498
00:29:56.150 --> 00:29:58.529
have gone on this way for millions of years and
499
00:29:58.569 --> 00:30:00.589
will go on in the same way for millions more.
500
00:30:01.130 --> 00:30:03.069
You will have to ask a higher power why that
501
00:30:03.130 --> 00:30:06.069
is so. At the moment an idea takes practical form,
502
00:30:06.130 --> 00:30:10.450
it loses its angel's wings, its romantic mystery. If someone
503
00:30:10.490 --> 00:30:13.690
had had the courage to strip the Völkisch idea of
504
00:30:13.730 --> 00:30:16.339
its romantic mystery, if one had taken account of the
505
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:19.180
hard facts, it would not look as romantic today as
506
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:23.220
it does to some dreamers. But it would have kept
507
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:26.740
millions of German children from starving. For me, it is more.
508
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:32.759
Yeah. Yeah. He's hitting people hard.
509
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.420
Well, you know, you know what I learned from that, um,
510
00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:42.190
that diary blockade, the, the save the children foundation that
511
00:30:42.230 --> 00:30:46.769
was started to feed German and Austrian kids after world
512
00:30:46.809 --> 00:30:47.150
war one.
513
00:30:47.829 --> 00:30:48.089
Huh?
514
00:30:49.210 --> 00:30:49.369
Yeah.
515
00:30:49.430 --> 00:30:49.609
Yeah.
516
00:30:51.190 --> 00:30:54.319
Yeah. Uh, but, but, but, but we can't really serve it.
517
00:30:54.579 --> 00:31:01.539
For me, it is more important that a nation lives
518
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:03.980
than that an idea remains as pure as possible in
519
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:05.359
the heads of a few dreamers.
520
00:31:05.779 --> 00:31:07.519
Very practical. Yes.
521
00:31:09.019 --> 00:31:11.079
You can see that a movement needs an organization if
522
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:13.380
it is to conquer the state, and it must conquer
523
00:31:13.420 --> 00:31:15.730
the state if it wants to do something of positive
524
00:31:15.769 --> 00:31:20.130
and historic significance. I have often met the kind of
525
00:31:20.190 --> 00:31:23.289
wandering apostle who says, well, everything you are doing is fine,
526
00:31:23.349 --> 00:31:30.190
but you rely... but you really must also take a
527
00:31:30.230 --> 00:31:33.849
stand against foreign words in the German language. And another
528
00:31:33.890 --> 00:31:36.710
comes along who says, well, everything you say is good,
529
00:31:36.769 --> 00:31:38.710
but you must have a point in your program that
530
00:31:38.750 --> 00:31:44.660
says allopathy is dangerous, and you must support homeopathy. If
531
00:31:44.700 --> 00:31:47.519
the movement were led by such apostles, the Jew would
532
00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:52.799
end up in charge. Do we want to talk about
533
00:31:52.819 --> 00:31:58.769
the United States now? so i want to talk about
534
00:31:59.049 --> 00:32:01.369
the early 20th century united states now.
535
00:32:02.150 --> 00:32:05.849
So i've actually been thinking a little harder about this
536
00:32:05.990 --> 00:32:10.349
and um talking to some people and uh i think
537
00:32:11.490 --> 00:32:15.250
yes there is i i i don't think it's just
538
00:32:15.829 --> 00:32:20.380
judaism that's you know pernicious influence and all that but
539
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.599
um what let me throw this at you and uh
540
00:32:23.619 --> 00:32:26.599
we could talk about it whatever. But, uh, what about
541
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:28.640
the pernicious influence of Gnosticism?
542
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:33.700
Oh, where did that come from?
543
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:39.000
So just looking into the, uh, you know.
544
00:32:39.019 --> 00:32:41.509
The modern, the, the modern birth of it.
545
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:45.299
Oh, the modern birth. Uh, yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it's
546
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.420
the usual suspects. And if you go back in time, it's,
547
00:32:48.740 --> 00:32:51.150
it's them as well after the, you know, in the,
548
00:32:51.210 --> 00:32:52.990
in the second to fourth century, uh.
549
00:32:54.220 --> 00:32:56.519
Most Christians would have been of Jewish descent.
550
00:32:56.619 --> 00:33:02.490
Oh, yeah. To be fair, yeah. But the syncretism between
551
00:33:02.769 --> 00:33:06.450
Judaism and Gnosticism and how that influenced the Talmud, how
552
00:33:06.490 --> 00:33:10.670
that influenced a couple of their other books. And it's
553
00:33:10.710 --> 00:33:12.819
just an idea that came into my head. I wonder
554
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.680
how that syncretism is playing out now.
555
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.140
Well, I mean, the whole idea of Gnosticism, I mean.
556
00:33:23.059 --> 00:33:27.359
You could just peel the skin off of it and
557
00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:29.500
you can see progressivism.
558
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:35.579
Yeah. Yep. And, you know, it's, it's influenced in academia.
559
00:33:35.700 --> 00:33:39.539
It's influenced in Hollywood. You know, not to, not to
560
00:33:39.779 --> 00:33:42.680
really put my tinfoil hat on, but that's just something
561
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:46.180
that I was noticing. Okay.
562
00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:47.519
You noticing, huh?
563
00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:55.880
Yeah. Yeah. Like, are you putting another, sir? Putting another
564
00:33:55.940 --> 00:33:56.380
hat on.
565
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:03.059
The Jew would find something new every day until nothing
566
00:34:03.099 --> 00:34:06.160
was left. It is not the task of a revolutionary
567
00:34:06.220 --> 00:34:10.389
fighting movement to settle the dispute between allopathy and homeopathy. Rather,
568
00:34:10.469 --> 00:34:16.929
its task is to take power. Yeah. He's saying, if
569
00:34:16.949 --> 00:34:20.650
you're looking at allopathy, homeopathy, these are basically cultural things,
570
00:34:20.730 --> 00:34:25.449
way of life. basically, I mean, you could call them ideologies.
571
00:34:25.530 --> 00:34:29.530
People build whole ideologies around them. You see people who
572
00:34:29.570 --> 00:34:33.519
are really into allopathy or homeopathy, or really homeopathy, who
573
00:34:33.940 --> 00:34:37.199
have a tendency to be of a certain, the stereotype
574
00:34:37.219 --> 00:34:41.219
is of a certain group, you know, a certain kind
575
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:44.909
of person. And yeah, I mean, you can call that
576
00:34:44.949 --> 00:34:49.210
an ideology. And when it comes to taking power, you know,
577
00:34:49.730 --> 00:34:52.420
these things really need to be really needs to be
578
00:34:52.460 --> 00:34:57.420
put aside because is that argument right there between allopathy
579
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.860
and homeopathy, is that important when you're trying to take
580
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.000
over a state, when you're trying to put together, when
581
00:35:04.019 --> 00:35:09.739
you're trying to, you know, basically have, create national socialists,
582
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:11.079
create national socialism?
583
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:14.909
Doing the math, five years later, I think they mostly
584
00:35:15.030 --> 00:35:18.869
proved that homeopathy works, at least.
585
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.280
The movement must have a program such that every honest
586
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:29.639
fighter can stand behind it. Now it is certainly true
587
00:35:29.699 --> 00:35:33.639
that the modern German cultural establishment produces every manner of nonsense.
588
00:35:34.340 --> 00:35:37.309
I know that this nonsense is poisoning the German national soul.
589
00:35:38.130 --> 00:35:40.949
There are those who say something has to happen. You
590
00:35:40.989 --> 00:35:43.110
have to do something. If you want to fight the
591
00:35:43.150 --> 00:35:47.469
movie industry, you must build your own theater. Even if
592
00:35:47.690 --> 00:35:51.699
at first it has the most primitive equipment. And if
593
00:35:51.739 --> 00:35:54.019
you see that the children are being poisoned by what
594
00:35:54.059 --> 00:35:56.820
they read in school, you must begin to win children's
595
00:35:56.860 --> 00:35:59.699
souls and give them the antidote. My reply is simple.
596
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.239
You can spend 10 years giving the antidote to the
597
00:36:02.300 --> 00:36:05.699
poison that is produced by a badly led cultural establishment,
598
00:36:06.139 --> 00:36:08.500
but a single decree from a ministry of culture can
599
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.300
destroy all your work. If you had spent the 10
600
00:36:11.300 --> 00:36:13.869
years winning fighters for the movement, the movement would have
601
00:36:13.909 --> 00:36:18.630
conquered the ministry of culture. Everything else is mere piecework.
602
00:36:21.150 --> 00:36:23.030
That's certainly a paragraph right there.
603
00:36:23.780 --> 00:36:30.500
Yeah. Ministrious culture.
604
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:35.480
Poisoning the German national soul. Something has to happen. You
605
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.360
have to do something. If you don't like Amazon, build
606
00:36:39.389 --> 00:36:40.300
your own Amazon.
607
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:41.429
Yeah.
608
00:36:41.469 --> 00:36:48.130
Build your own bank, bro. Yeah, threw some libertarianism in here. Yeah.
609
00:36:48.170 --> 00:36:52.090
It's like I said with homeschooling. I absolutely suggest that
610
00:36:52.150 --> 00:36:57.079
people homeschool their kids right now. But if only 5%
611
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.199
of the population is homeschooling, that means 95% of the
612
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.860
kids 20 years from now are just going to be
613
00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:04.199
progressive psychopaths.
614
00:37:05.739 --> 00:37:09.809
Yeah. No, with a single decree, I mean, with a
615
00:37:09.869 --> 00:37:14.789
single decree, we would lose 99% of our progress if
616
00:37:14.829 --> 00:37:19.340
they just simply, you know, enforced KYC on, on X.
617
00:37:20.190 --> 00:37:28.659
I think that would crush. Again, it goes back to
618
00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:31.760
you need to do things in real life too. Word
619
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:32.800
of mouth.
620
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:36.260
Then you can make the argument that if everybody is public,
621
00:37:37.019 --> 00:37:38.219
can they come after everybody?
622
00:37:39.489 --> 00:37:44.469
Yeah, who knows? That's Pandora's box. I don't know if
623
00:37:44.489 --> 00:37:48.110
I want to find out. They could certainly come after
624
00:37:48.170 --> 00:37:48.809
us one by one.
625
00:37:50.329 --> 00:37:52.309
Yeah, they could, but, I mean, they don't even have
626
00:37:52.329 --> 00:37:54.030
the money, the funding to do that.
627
00:37:54.469 --> 00:37:54.670
Yeah.
628
00:37:56.369 --> 00:37:59.269
If a movement wins political power, it can do those
629
00:37:59.329 --> 00:38:01.929
positive things it wants to do. Only then does it
630
00:38:01.969 --> 00:38:05.429
have the power to protect its accomplishments. At the moment
631
00:38:05.510 --> 00:38:08.360
a movement or party wins control of the state, its
632
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:11.900
worldview becomes the state, and its party becomes the nation.
633
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.059
The nation is not the 60 million people who live
634
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:19.019
in it. That is a confused mixture. One says, yay,
635
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:22.230
the other says, nay. That is not a nation. A
636
00:38:22.250 --> 00:38:28.070
nation is characterized by consciousness. Instinct alone is not enough.
637
00:38:29.489 --> 00:38:31.309
Only when I am aware that I am a member
638
00:38:31.329 --> 00:38:33.789
of the nation, when I am consciously a German, do
639
00:38:33.849 --> 00:38:37.590
I belong to the German people. The great elector did
640
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.699
not say, think and remember that you are German. Rather,
641
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:45.619
he said, consider well that you are German. Consideration is
642
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.000
at the level of consciousness. Such consciousness belongs to the
643
00:38:49.059 --> 00:38:53.230
entire nation. Adolf Hitler rightly answered the court in Munich
644
00:38:53.269 --> 00:38:55.510
in this way when he was asked, how could you
645
00:38:55.550 --> 00:38:58.420
think of establishing a dictatorship over 60 million with such
646
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:03.780
a tiny minority? His reply, if an entire people, Volk,
647
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.980
has become cowardly and there are only a thousand left
648
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:12.360
who want something great and who have the power to
649
00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:16.849
transform the state, then those thousand are the people. If
650
00:39:16.889 --> 00:39:19.699
the others let a minority conquer the state, then they
651
00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:22.750
must also accept the fact that we will establish a dictatorship.
652
00:39:23.969 --> 00:39:26.389
Powerful. Prescient.
653
00:39:27.309 --> 00:39:31.429
Yeah. The same is true. of a movement. If a
654
00:39:31.510 --> 00:39:34.159
movement has the strength to take over the state, then
655
00:39:34.179 --> 00:39:37.679
it has the power to transform the state. I am
656
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.199
the last to complain that the Marxists rule us today.
657
00:39:40.739 --> 00:39:42.480
As long as we do not have the strength to
658
00:39:42.579 --> 00:39:49.670
overcome them, they have the political right to rule us. Oh,
659
00:39:49.710 --> 00:39:57.210
he's so good. He's so good. Oh, man. Oh, it's true,
660
00:39:57.349 --> 00:40:01.130
and it's meant to piss you off at the same time. Oh,
661
00:40:01.190 --> 00:40:06.139
it's so good. As long as we do not have
662
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.980
the strength to overcome them, they have the political right
663
00:40:09.019 --> 00:40:11.519
to rule us. I am surprised how little they use
664
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.480
that right. I would do things differently. That is their
665
00:40:14.539 --> 00:40:17.860
tragic misunderstanding of their own worldview. I do not complain
666
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:20.260
that the gentlemen of the Berlin police use their power
667
00:40:20.300 --> 00:40:23.400
against us, only that they call themselves Democrats and claim
668
00:40:23.420 --> 00:40:26.360
that they allow freedom of thought and of speech. That
669
00:40:26.420 --> 00:40:29.840
is nonsense. That is lying hypocrisy. For in truth, these
670
00:40:29.889 --> 00:40:35.030
gentlemen are dictators. If a movement has the strength to
671
00:40:35.070 --> 00:40:37.590
take over government positions of power, then it has the
672
00:40:37.630 --> 00:40:40.610
right to form the government as it wishes. Anyone who
673
00:40:40.650 --> 00:40:46.059
disagrees is a foolish theoretician. Politics is governed not by
674
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:50.340
moral principles, but by power. If a movement conquers a state,
675
00:40:50.380 --> 00:40:52.480
it has the right to form the state. You can
676
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:56.719
see how these three elements combine ideals and personalities. The
677
00:40:56.860 --> 00:40:59.619
idea leads to a worldview, the worldview to the state.
678
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:03.079
The individual becomes a party. The party becomes the nation.
679
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.170
Have you noticed he repeats certain sentences over?
680
00:41:08.030 --> 00:41:09.190
Yeah. Yep. Hmm.
681
00:41:09.510 --> 00:41:09.710
Yeah.
682
00:41:09.730 --> 00:41:12.610
A little practical application.
683
00:41:15.019 --> 00:41:17.380
The important thing is not to find people who agree
684
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:24.610
with me about every theoretical jot and tittle, but rather
685
00:41:24.670 --> 00:41:26.710
that I find people who are willing to fight with
686
00:41:26.750 --> 00:41:30.449
me for a worldview. Winning people over to something that
687
00:41:30.469 --> 00:41:34.130
I have recognized as right, that is what we call propaganda.
688
00:41:35.469 --> 00:41:38.980
At first, there is knowledge. It uses propaganda to find
689
00:41:39.019 --> 00:41:43.690
the manpower that will transform knowledge into politics. Propaganda stands
690
00:41:43.730 --> 00:41:46.849
between the idea and the worldview, between the worldview and
691
00:41:46.869 --> 00:41:50.340
the state, between the individual and the party, between the
692
00:41:50.420 --> 00:41:54.840
party and the nation. That's so good. He explains it.
693
00:41:55.199 --> 00:42:00.059
I mean, he explains it, but I've read Bernays extensively,
694
00:42:00.099 --> 00:42:02.610
and he explains it so much better than Bernays, because
695
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:03.699
Bernays is always hiding.
696
00:42:04.210 --> 00:42:04.389
Yeah.
697
00:42:05.050 --> 00:42:05.210
Yeah.
698
00:42:06.710 --> 00:42:11.969
Nope, this is pretty clear-cut. Yeah. Like, whatever your revolutionary
699
00:42:12.030 --> 00:42:15.570
process is, propaganda is in between all of the steps
700
00:42:15.610 --> 00:42:19.349
in those processes. It makes sense to me.
701
00:42:21.650 --> 00:42:24.309
At the moment at which I recognize something as important
702
00:42:24.329 --> 00:42:27.070
and begin speaking about it in the streetcar, I begin
703
00:42:27.110 --> 00:42:30.030
making propaganda. At the same time, I begin looking for
704
00:42:30.070 --> 00:42:33.289
other people to join me. Propaganda stands between the one
705
00:42:33.409 --> 00:42:35.889
and the many, between the idea and the worldview. There
706
00:42:35.909 --> 00:42:39.309
he is repeating himself again. Propaganda is nothing other than
707
00:42:39.329 --> 00:42:42.710
the forerunner to organization. Once it has done this, it
708
00:42:42.769 --> 00:42:46.349
is the forerunner to state control. It is always a
709
00:42:46.389 --> 00:42:47.230
means to an end.
710
00:42:49.590 --> 00:42:52.670
Yeah, he asked the question earlier, is propaganda a means
711
00:42:52.809 --> 00:42:54.849
or is it an end, and answers it here.
712
00:42:57.570 --> 00:43:00.650
Although I must hold unshakably and unalterably to the idea,
713
00:43:00.710 --> 00:43:03.469
propaganda adjusts itself to the prevailing conditions.
714
00:43:03.630 --> 00:43:04.610
Let me ask you this.
715
00:43:05.190 --> 00:43:05.530
Yeah, go ahead.
716
00:43:05.849 --> 00:43:09.929
Do you think our current rulers view propaganda as a
717
00:43:09.989 --> 00:43:10.789
means or an end?
718
00:43:13.969 --> 00:43:16.280
At this point, I think it's an end. Yeah. It's
719
00:43:16.380 --> 00:43:21.340
too clumsy. There's rarely anything manipulative about it. It's more
720
00:43:21.460 --> 00:43:34.389
like we know that there's a certain group that when
721
00:43:34.429 --> 00:43:37.010
we say this, they're going to believe it no matter what,
722
00:43:37.110 --> 00:43:38.949
and all we care about is that group.
723
00:43:39.380 --> 00:43:42.800
Yeah, the constant positive reinforcement that you are on the
724
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:46.519
right side of history, that you are a good person,
725
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:51.300
that you are normal, that what you're doing is acceptable.
726
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:58.289
I think that's fuel for people to go throughout life now.
727
00:43:58.750 --> 00:44:01.789
I think if you took that away from a large
728
00:44:01.869 --> 00:44:05.210
portion of the population... they would go insane. If you
729
00:44:05.230 --> 00:44:09.130
cut off their serotonin drip, which is delivered via propaganda,
730
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they would literally go insane. They would fall into a depression.
731
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Yeah. There are people on, I mean, that, that is
732
00:44:16.769 --> 00:44:19.750
what X Twitter is it, or whatever they're calling it
733
00:44:19.809 --> 00:44:25.369
now is, I mean, it is, is literally somebody's serotonin drip.
734
00:44:25.650 --> 00:44:25.829
Yeah.
735
00:44:26.010 --> 00:44:27.050
They're just waiting.
736
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It is the, and I, I, I think if Goebbels
737
00:44:32.869 --> 00:44:35.409
wasn't German, he could articulate it this way, but the
738
00:44:36.110 --> 00:44:45.440
constant affirmation, like that's the serotonin drip. Just chasing affirmation.
739
00:44:45.579 --> 00:44:49.659
And in particular, that's, you know, the ethos and just,
740
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.860
I guess, women in general are more susceptible to that
741
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.199
in my experience, but also I guess young men as well.
742
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Although I must hold unshakably and unalterably to the idea,
743
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:06.500
propaganda adjusts itself to the prevailing conditions. Propaganda is always flexible.
744
00:45:06.900 --> 00:45:09.440
It says different things here than it does there. It
745
00:45:09.460 --> 00:45:13.139
cannot be polished, laminated, and stuffed. Rather, it must occupy
746
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:17.889
the space between the one and the many. Good sentence there.
747
00:45:19.090 --> 00:45:21.329
I talk differently on the streetcar with a conductor than
748
00:45:21.369 --> 00:45:23.969
I do with a businessman. If I did not, the
749
00:45:24.010 --> 00:45:26.550
businessman would think I was crazy and the streetcar conductor
750
00:45:26.570 --> 00:45:30.570
would not understand me. I remember... I forget who said it,
751
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:35.019
that whatever Ron Paul, if Ron Paul spoke to like
752
00:45:35.139 --> 00:45:38.769
college kids or he spoke to like a group of Muslims,
753
00:45:39.429 --> 00:45:41.570
he always like delivered the same message.
754
00:45:43.090 --> 00:45:45.510
Would that be to his fault or was he just
755
00:45:45.550 --> 00:45:45.909
that good?
756
00:45:47.329 --> 00:45:50.150
Oh, I mean, well, I don't know. I mean, I
757
00:45:50.929 --> 00:45:53.679
love Ron Paul, but really, what did he change? I mean,
758
00:45:53.739 --> 00:45:55.320
I guess there are some things he changed. I guess
759
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:57.199
you would say that he paved the way for Trump.
760
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:02.940
Yeah, I think that's how I would characterize his accomplishments, too.
761
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:08.630
He definitely planted a dissident seed that didn't really grow
762
00:46:08.650 --> 00:46:11.670
until Trump, and then it grew exponentially.
763
00:46:12.570 --> 00:46:16.849
Yeah, very fast, very fast. If I did not, the
764
00:46:16.869 --> 00:46:19.110
businessman would think I was crazy and the streetcar conductor
765
00:46:19.150 --> 00:46:22.150
would not understand me. That means propaganda cannot be limited.
766
00:46:22.820 --> 00:46:25.699
It changes according to whom I am trying to reach.
767
00:46:26.260 --> 00:46:27.880
Let me tell you a story about a party member
768
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:31.800
in Berlin who, since 1919, has promoted the National Socialist idea.
769
00:46:32.500 --> 00:46:35.159
At first, he beat his head bloody against a wall,
770
00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:40.429
which he wants to avoid. He began by distributing the
771
00:46:40.550 --> 00:46:44.400
wildest anti-Semitic publications on the street. He knew it was
772
00:46:44.460 --> 00:46:47.139
bad stuff, but there was nothing better. So he read
773
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:47.639
these books.
774
00:46:47.860 --> 00:46:50.289
That man is me.
775
00:46:52.889 --> 00:46:55.269
He knew it was bad stuff, but there was nothing better.
776
00:46:55.309 --> 00:46:58.070
So he read these books or newspapers in the subway.
777
00:46:59.309 --> 00:47:01.869
Everyone could see that he was a harmless crank. And
778
00:47:01.889 --> 00:47:04.309
when he stood up and left his newspapers behind, someone
779
00:47:04.349 --> 00:47:06.829
regularly would say, sir, take your newspaper along with you.
780
00:47:07.349 --> 00:47:09.230
He would angrily take his paper and leave it with
781
00:47:09.289 --> 00:47:13.139
a conductor saying, here, German brother. And the conductor certainly
782
00:47:13.219 --> 00:47:14.690
thought he came from the nuthouse.
783
00:47:16.329 --> 00:47:17.269
Many such cases.
784
00:47:20.170 --> 00:47:22.929
Did you hear that somebody walked up to Dave Smith
785
00:47:23.150 --> 00:47:26.860
at the Libertarian National Convention in a thong? A guy
786
00:47:26.900 --> 00:47:28.659
walked up in a thong and wanted to debate him
787
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:29.199
on borders?
788
00:47:32.659 --> 00:47:36.380
Again, I believe that wholeheartedly.
789
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:42.920
I mean, put it this way. If somebody walks up
790
00:47:42.980 --> 00:47:45.139
to you, a guy walks up to you in a thong,
791
00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:50.460
I don't care who you are, you immediately believe in borders.
792
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:51.179
Yeah.
793
00:47:52.380 --> 00:47:54.000
You believe there should be a border between you and
794
00:47:54.019 --> 00:47:55.780
that person. I don't care who you are.
795
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Vigorously enforced.
796
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:04.219
He gradually realized that the methods that worked with friends
797
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:06.800
and comrades did not work with strangers. In other words,
798
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:10.659
there is no ABC of propaganda. One can make propaganda
799
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:14.460
or one cannot. Propaganda is an art. Any reasonably normal
800
00:48:14.500 --> 00:48:16.909
person can learn to play the violins to a certain degree,
801
00:48:17.230 --> 00:48:19.469
but then his teacher will say, this is as far
802
00:48:19.510 --> 00:48:22.190
as it goes. Only a genius can learn what remains.
803
00:48:22.469 --> 00:48:24.949
You are not a genius, so be content with what
804
00:48:24.969 --> 00:48:25.550
you have learned.
805
00:48:25.969 --> 00:48:26.250
Yes.
806
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I can certainly, yeah.
807
00:48:27.670 --> 00:48:32.380
Everybody has a maximum potential, especially in the time that
808
00:48:32.389 --> 00:48:35.099
we're in right now, recognizing that when somebody has met
809
00:48:35.139 --> 00:48:38.900
their maximum potential and maybe doesn't have a whole lot
810
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:42.519
to offer anymore that's part and parcel.
811
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I can certainly teach any reasonable person the absolute basics
812
00:48:48.219 --> 00:48:51.739
of propaganda but i will soon recognize the limits one
813
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:54.469
is either a propagandist or one is not it is
814
00:48:54.510 --> 00:48:57.030
wrong to look down on a propagandist there are people
815
00:48:57.070 --> 00:49:00.030
who say a propagandist is merely a good drummer this
816
00:49:00.070 --> 00:49:03.789
displays a certain envy and lack of ability They are
817
00:49:03.829 --> 00:49:07.570
mostly mediocre philosophers whom the masses ignore. You have seen
818
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.380
often enough, no one can deny it, that our movement
819
00:49:10.420 --> 00:49:13.659
has good speakers. Since our opponents do not have good speakers,
820
00:49:13.699 --> 00:49:17.070
they say, well, they are only good drummers. Hitler was
821
00:49:17.130 --> 00:49:20.650
called the drummer of national unity for five years. When
822
00:49:20.670 --> 00:49:23.070
they realized that this drummer had ideas that didn't fit
823
00:49:23.110 --> 00:49:25.739
into their way of thinking, he was suddenly a crazy
824
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.239
politician who had to be dealt with. It is foolish
825
00:49:29.260 --> 00:49:32.400
to look down on propagandists. The propagandist has a certain
826
00:49:32.460 --> 00:49:38.190
role within the party. It is good for our and
827
00:49:38.250 --> 00:49:42.190
lacking in really great leaders, though naturally not in comparison
828
00:49:42.230 --> 00:49:45.360
to other parties. The great leaders we have cannot stick
829
00:49:45.409 --> 00:49:48.559
to a particular area, but must be able to do everything.
830
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:59.199
They must be propagandists, organizers, speakers, writers, etc. They must
831
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.630
be able to get along with the people, find money,
832
00:50:01.809 --> 00:50:05.050
write articles, and a lot more. That is why it
833
00:50:05.110 --> 00:50:07.090
is wrong to say that Hitler is merely a drummer.
834
00:50:07.449 --> 00:50:09.829
That is what is great about him and what separates
835
00:50:09.869 --> 00:50:12.889
him from everyone else. He is a politician and also
836
00:50:12.929 --> 00:50:16.519
a propagandist, while the leaders of other parties understand neither
837
00:50:16.579 --> 00:50:20.219
politics nor propaganda. You can see how propaganda relates to
838
00:50:20.300 --> 00:50:23.460
the worldview and to the organization. After we have finished
839
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:25.739
the hard work of moving the idea and the worldview
840
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.210
from the individuals to the masses, propaganda has the task
841
00:50:29.250 --> 00:50:32.130
of taking the knowledge of the mass and enabling it
842
00:50:32.170 --> 00:50:33.730
to take over the state.
843
00:50:34.750 --> 00:50:38.710
So, when I read this, my first thought was we
844
00:50:38.750 --> 00:50:42.309
have the opposite problem. Now, even the, even the lowliest,
845
00:50:42.329 --> 00:50:50.329
you know, uh, freshman Senator, um, has a, a, um,
846
00:50:51.769 --> 00:50:57.190
an overabundance of knowledge of propaganda. And it's to the
847
00:50:57.250 --> 00:51:00.750
point now where if you're above a certain IQ, it
848
00:51:00.789 --> 00:51:05.610
just not nothing resonates, which is, uh, good and bad,
849
00:51:05.670 --> 00:51:06.050
I guess.
850
00:51:07.739 --> 00:51:10.739
Well, I think one of the, another problem we have is,
851
00:51:11.179 --> 00:51:15.059
is that we have a lot of propagandists out there and,
852
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:15.519
but yeah.
853
00:51:18.099 --> 00:51:21.840
And a whole lot of jacks of all trades. Yeah.
854
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:26.710
But the Bernays said that, you know, you, you wanted the,
855
00:51:26.949 --> 00:51:29.090
the bass is educated just enough so that they could
856
00:51:29.110 --> 00:51:33.170
understand propaganda. That's one of the, that's one, That's the
857
00:51:33.210 --> 00:51:36.409
problem we're at right now, is that we have a
858
00:51:36.469 --> 00:51:42.719
populace that is educated just enough to understand propaganda. And
859
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:48.119
one thing that the enemy has done well is, and
860
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:50.480
I think this is done on purpose, and some of
861
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:55.760
them are absolute agents, is they put out quote-unquote right-wing
862
00:51:55.820 --> 00:52:00.530
propagandists who who have very, who have big platforms.
863
00:52:00.929 --> 00:52:01.130
Yeah.
864
00:52:01.210 --> 00:52:05.050
But they're also gatekeepers, but they're gatekeepers. They're, they're meant
865
00:52:05.110 --> 00:52:10.010
to not make you notice or they're made to not
866
00:52:10.070 --> 00:52:11.900
make you go too far to the right.
867
00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:15.139
Yeah. That's, I've been talking a lot about that on
868
00:52:15.179 --> 00:52:21.440
my feed. I am just so disgusted with the last
869
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:23.699
couple of weeks and with even with the last couple
870
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:28.380
of months, because it's, you know, I, I, I don't
871
00:52:28.420 --> 00:52:32.360
want to say that our movement should be fractured, but
872
00:52:32.460 --> 00:52:35.280
there's definitely some house cleaning that needs to be done.
873
00:52:37.989 --> 00:52:41.530
And everybody needs to be hyper aware of when they're
874
00:52:41.570 --> 00:52:43.929
being gaslit. Yep.
875
00:52:46.230 --> 00:52:49.239
Let me give an example. What good would it do
876
00:52:49.380 --> 00:52:52.940
if everything we know to be right stayed in our
877
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:55.829
few heads? The few would doubt the rightness of the
878
00:52:55.889 --> 00:52:58.550
idea since they would see that no one was joining them.
879
00:52:59.929 --> 00:53:02.750
And if we do not have the people from the
880
00:53:02.789 --> 00:53:06.690
lowliest essay man who distributes newspapers to the best speaker
881
00:53:06.789 --> 00:53:09.449
or the leader of the party, all of our lovely
882
00:53:09.489 --> 00:53:12.039
knowledge would be useless, for only we would know it.
883
00:53:12.670 --> 00:53:15.230
The others would continue their nonsense, and the German people
884
00:53:15.250 --> 00:53:18.179
in the end would perish. What does this sound like?
885
00:53:21.170 --> 00:53:24.150
Propaganda is absolutely necessary, even if it is only a
886
00:53:24.190 --> 00:53:27.210
means to an end. Otherwise, the idea could never take
887
00:53:27.289 --> 00:53:29.969
over the state. I must be able to get what
888
00:53:30.030 --> 00:53:33.409
I think important across to many people. The task of
889
00:53:33.449 --> 00:53:36.329
a gifted propagandist is to take that which many have
890
00:53:36.369 --> 00:53:39.510
thought and put it in a way that reaches everyone
891
00:53:39.570 --> 00:53:42.590
from the educated to the common man. You will all
892
00:53:42.650 --> 00:53:46.070
grant me this. So, you know, to to.
893
00:53:46.309 --> 00:53:51.829
Apply that to. You know, anything in this country, I
894
00:53:51.869 --> 00:53:58.570
think the perfect propagandist would have to be personable and social.
895
00:53:59.260 --> 00:54:04.139
And that is an increasing rarity nowadays. You know, able
896
00:54:04.179 --> 00:54:06.599
to carry a conversation in real life, able to make
897
00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:11.630
whoever they're propagandizing comfortable. You know, like we're having a
898
00:54:11.730 --> 00:54:15.550
casual conversation, but I'm planting seeds in your head. You
899
00:54:15.570 --> 00:54:20.510
know what I mean? I think that's an art that's
900
00:54:20.590 --> 00:54:24.900
becoming rarer and rarer, and maybe we'll be the last
901
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:31.820
generation that still has an aptitude for it. As the
902
00:54:31.860 --> 00:54:37.599
younger kids get alienated more and more, it's almost by design.
903
00:54:40.900 --> 00:54:43.219
You will all grant me this, and as further evidence,
904
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:46.119
I can recall a Hitler speech in Jena. Half the
905
00:54:46.179 --> 00:54:50.460
audience were Marxists, half students and university professors. I had
906
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.619
a burning desire to speak with both elements afterwards. I
907
00:54:53.659 --> 00:54:55.980
could see that the university professor and the average man
908
00:54:56.019 --> 00:54:58.800
had understood what Hitler said. That is the greatness of
909
00:54:58.860 --> 00:55:01.239
our movement, that it can use language to reach to
910
00:55:01.300 --> 00:55:04.699
broad masses. Of course, the style will vary according to
911
00:55:04.739 --> 00:55:08.130
the speaker. It would be a big mistake to expect
912
00:55:08.269 --> 00:55:10.690
everyone to treat the idea in the same way, for
913
00:55:10.730 --> 00:55:13.630
as great as it is, so different are the individuals
914
00:55:13.670 --> 00:55:17.280
who are to be reached by it. You will surely
915
00:55:17.340 --> 00:55:20.610
hear some people say that they like one speaker while
916
00:55:21.030 --> 00:55:23.590
others prefer another. It would be a mistake to try
917
00:55:23.630 --> 00:55:26.909
to make the soft-spoken speaker into a thundering orator or
918
00:55:26.949 --> 00:55:31.210
a thundering orator into a soft-spoken chap. Neither would accomplish anything.
919
00:55:31.630 --> 00:55:35.760
The soft-spoken speaker would never reach the heart no matter
920
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:39.059
how hard he tried, nor would the thundering orator succeed
921
00:55:39.099 --> 00:55:42.940
in speaking quietly. Everyone would go home dissatisfied. The bigger
922
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.469
our movement gets, the more kinds of people it can house.
923
00:55:46.050 --> 00:55:49.760
and each will reflect the movement a little differently. No
924
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:52.780
two things in God's world are alike. Everything is a
925
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:56.619
little different. Thus, one person reflects things differently than another.
926
00:55:57.159 --> 00:55:59.960
That's that max potential thing coming up again.
927
00:56:02.460 --> 00:56:06.039
As propaganda draws an ever-growing following to the idea, the
928
00:56:06.099 --> 00:56:11.059
idea broadens, becomes more flexible. It no longer stays in
929
00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:14.539
a few heads, but wants to include everything. At that moment,
930
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:18.199
it becomes a comprehensive program. We can happily see that
931
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:20.940
in the case in our movement. You will never find
932
00:56:20.980 --> 00:56:23.449
millions of people willing to die for a book, but
933
00:56:23.510 --> 00:56:25.590
millions of people are willing to die for a gospel,
934
00:56:25.949 --> 00:56:28.429
and our movement is becoming more and more a gospel.
935
00:56:30.250 --> 00:56:34.210
All that we have come to know in our individual
936
00:56:34.269 --> 00:56:37.170
lives is joining to form a great faith that lives
937
00:56:37.340 --> 00:56:41.239
unshakably in our hearts. Each of us is willing, if necessary,
938
00:56:41.300 --> 00:56:44.269
to give his all for it. No one is willing
939
00:56:44.309 --> 00:56:47.130
to die for the eight-hour day. People are willing to
940
00:56:47.210 --> 00:56:53.010
die so that Germany will belong to Germans. What Adolf
941
00:56:53.050 --> 00:56:54.320
Hitler prophesied.
942
00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:00.500
Nobody's willing to die for an eight-hour day? I don't
943
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:05.239
know if that applies to nowadays. Yeah. Just want a grill, man.
944
00:57:07.550 --> 00:57:09.530
But people are willing to die so that Germany will
945
00:57:09.550 --> 00:57:14.090
belong to the Germans. What Adolf Hitler prophesied prophesied in 1919,
946
00:57:14.090 --> 00:57:17.989
is becoming clearer every day. Freedom and prosperity. The movement
947
00:57:18.050 --> 00:57:23.119
is increasingly freeing itself from the all-too-human and becoming a
948
00:57:23.179 --> 00:57:26.519
powerful force. The time is coming when people will not
949
00:57:26.739 --> 00:57:29.440
ask us what we think about the eight-hour day, but
950
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:32.349
rather when Germany is seized with desperation, they will ask,
951
00:57:32.849 --> 00:57:35.969
can you give us back faith? If a movement has
952
00:57:36.010 --> 00:57:39.610
brought the idea from the individual to a worldview, building
953
00:57:39.730 --> 00:57:42.150
in the end a clear gospel for which each is
954
00:57:42.210 --> 00:57:45.829
ready to die, that movement is near victory. That does
955
00:57:45.869 --> 00:57:48.550
not happen in the study, but rather in battle, in
956
00:57:48.610 --> 00:57:51.230
bitter battle each day with the enemy, bringing him to
957
00:57:51.289 --> 00:57:55.320
see how he has led the nation down the wrong path.
958
00:57:55.340 --> 00:57:57.239
I must say that I learned the most from reading
959
00:57:57.500 --> 00:58:03.579
the Berliner Tageblatt, a newspaper hostile to the Nazis. That
960
00:58:03.619 --> 00:58:05.969
is a fine example of of the Jews at work.
961
00:58:06.449 --> 00:58:09.809
From the Jewish standpoint, I've never noted a single mistake,
962
00:58:10.050 --> 00:58:16.269
whereas the nationalist papers make mistakes all the time. It's
963
00:58:16.289 --> 00:58:19.909
like your enemy understands you better than you understand your enemy.
964
00:58:20.150 --> 00:58:20.769
That's not good.
965
00:58:21.380 --> 00:58:25.719
Yep. Credit where credit's due.
966
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:31.260
Yeah. I now want to outline the essential characteristics of propaganda.
967
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.119
We have already agreed that propaganda is not an end
968
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in itself. but a means to an end. Its task
969
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:40.289
is to spread the knowledge of national socialism to the
970
00:58:40.349 --> 00:58:43.289
people or to a part of the people. If propaganda
971
00:58:43.329 --> 00:58:45.849
does that, it is good. If not, it is bad.
972
00:58:46.750 --> 00:58:51.349
The German nationalists claimed that Hitler's propaganda before 9 November
973
00:58:51.349 --> 00:58:56.130
1923 was too loud, too noisy, too popular. Hitler replied,
974
00:58:56.469 --> 00:58:59.530
Munich must become national socialist. If I achieve that, my
975
00:58:59.590 --> 00:59:02.320
propaganda will have been good. If I had wanted to
976
00:59:02.380 --> 00:59:05.119
make you happy, it would have been bad. but that
977
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:09.869
was not my intention. You cannot evaluate propaganda in mid-
978
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:12.539
but rather, you have to wait until it reaches its
979
00:59:12.659 --> 00:59:16.440
maker's goal. You cannot say that our propaganda was wrong
980
00:59:16.460 --> 00:59:19.969
because the government banned it. That is false. Under Jewish
981
00:59:20.010 --> 00:59:23.469
police officials, our propaganda would be wrong if it were
982
00:59:23.510 --> 00:59:26.349
not banned, for that means it would be harmless.
983
00:59:26.369 --> 00:59:26.440
Hmm.
984
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:34.400
The fact that it is banned is the best evidence
985
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:37.480
that we are dangerous. If the ban is lifted, do
986
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:39.380
not come to me and say that the Jew has
987
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:41.820
seen the error of his ways. It will be lifted
988
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:44.719
when the Jew sees that it is not achieving his purpose.
989
00:59:46.500 --> 00:59:48.980
You can say what you want. The Jew will put
990
00:59:49.019 --> 00:59:51.780
away his dagger only when he sees that it is
991
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.719
better not to use it against the propaganda method or
992
00:59:54.739 --> 00:59:57.289
when he sees that the dagger has already done its duty.
993
00:59:58.949 --> 01:00:06.309
Yeah, that's another salient point. If you're not getting banned,
994
01:00:06.449 --> 01:00:09.440
if you're not getting put on a list, if you're
995
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:16.239
not getting punished in some way, shape, or form, then
996
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:20.389
you're not saying anything that's in any way a threat.
997
01:00:22.730 --> 01:00:28.289
Yeah, I was at an event... small event, um, a
998
01:00:28.570 --> 01:00:32.530
couple of weeks ago and somebody told me that, um,
999
01:00:33.590 --> 01:00:39.110
Tim pool was a dissident and I didn't laugh. All
1000
01:00:39.170 --> 01:00:43.030
I said, all I asked was do dissidents make a
1001
01:00:43.070 --> 01:00:44.130
million dollars a month?
1002
01:00:45.250 --> 01:00:51.840
Yeah. That's a good metric. Yeah. What income bracket, what,
1003
01:00:51.889 --> 01:00:56.960
what tax bracket is he in? Yeah. And, um, no answer.
1004
01:00:59.699 --> 01:01:04.030
I think a good thing to promulgate nowadays is that
1005
01:01:04.550 --> 01:01:10.349
the methods with which bands are doled out is via algorithm.
1006
01:01:11.389 --> 01:01:16.590
If you can find a way to hack that, whether
1007
01:01:16.650 --> 01:01:24.909
it's via language or more technical methods, use that too.
1008
01:01:25.349 --> 01:01:30.559
If you can pierce Pierce through the safety mechanism. Do it.
1009
01:01:30.849 --> 01:01:32.769
I have. I'll tell you right now, I use a
1010
01:01:32.789 --> 01:01:36.920
text obfuscator. Just Google text obfuscator. Then type in whatever
1011
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:40.079
you want. And you can even change the letters come
1012
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.960
out in some weird script. But you can change the
1013
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.539
letters to look normal. And it's so far so good.
1014
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:49.280
I've never even gotten a warning. And I post some
1015
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:50.179
pretty heinous shit.
1016
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:53.820
You do. I like it.
1017
01:01:54.050 --> 01:01:57.010
Yeah, that's how I've gotten banned off Twitter five times,
1018
01:01:57.090 --> 01:01:59.630
like five new accounts. And I've had this one for
1019
01:01:59.670 --> 01:02:03.489
a while now, and I credit the text off the skater.
1020
01:02:03.510 --> 01:02:09.659
All right. Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not
1021
01:02:09.699 --> 01:02:13.300
a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners.
1022
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:16.340
It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct.
1023
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:19.699
I do not care if I give wonderful, aesthetically elegant
1024
01:02:19.739 --> 01:02:22.039
speeches or speak so that women cry.
1025
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:24.559
Sometimes I do.
1026
01:02:26.739 --> 01:02:29.130
The point of a political speech is to persuade people
1027
01:02:29.210 --> 01:02:32.269
of what we think right. I speak differently in the
1028
01:02:32.309 --> 01:02:34.670
provinces than I do in Berlin. And when I speak
1029
01:02:34.710 --> 01:02:39.150
in Beirut, I think that's Beirut, I say different things
1030
01:02:39.349 --> 01:02:41.679
than I say in the Fares Hall, a meeting hall
1031
01:02:41.699 --> 01:02:44.320
the Nazis often used in Berlin. That is a matter
1032
01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:47.139
of practice, not of theory. We do not want to
1033
01:02:47.179 --> 01:02:50.000
be a movement of a few straw brains, but rather
1034
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:55.099
a movement that can conquer the broad masses. Propaganda should
1035
01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:58.579
be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task
1036
01:02:58.619 --> 01:03:02.039
of propaganda to discover intellectual truths. I find them by
1037
01:03:02.099 --> 01:03:04.989
thinking or at my desk, anywhere, but in a meeting hall.
1038
01:03:05.860 --> 01:03:08.469
That is where I transmit them. I do not enter
1039
01:03:08.510 --> 01:03:11.349
the meeting hall to discover intellectual truths, but to persuade
1040
01:03:11.530 --> 01:03:14.849
others of what I think to be right. I learn
1041
01:03:14.909 --> 01:03:17.989
methods there that I can use to reach others with
1042
01:03:18.030 --> 01:03:20.070
what I have found to be right. The speaker or
1043
01:03:20.110 --> 01:03:24.090
propagandist must first understand the idea. He cannot do that
1044
01:03:24.110 --> 01:03:26.909
in the middle of making propaganda. He must start with it.
1045
01:03:28.579 --> 01:03:31.199
Through daily contact with the masses, he learns how to
1046
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:34.340
communicate that idea. It is not the task of propaganda
1047
01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:38.460
to discover knowledge, but to transmit knowledge. It must adjust
1048
01:03:38.500 --> 01:03:41.460
to those it wishes to reach with that knowledge. The
1049
01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:45.570
propaganda speeches or posters that are aimed at farmers will
1050
01:03:45.590 --> 01:03:48.809
be different than those aimed at employers. Those aimed at
1051
01:03:48.849 --> 01:03:52.070
doctors will be different than those aimed at patients. He
1052
01:03:52.090 --> 01:03:54.690
will adjust his propaganda to fit those he is speaking to.
1053
01:03:55.190 --> 01:03:57.710
You can see that all the critical standards used by
1054
01:03:57.789 --> 01:04:01.449
other parties to evaluate propaganda missed the point and that
1055
01:04:01.510 --> 01:04:04.840
most complaints about the NSDAP's propaganda result from a false
1056
01:04:04.889 --> 01:04:08.440
understanding of propaganda. If someone tells me your propaganda has
1057
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:11.059
no civilized standards, I know there is no point in
1058
01:04:11.099 --> 01:04:17.239
even talking to him. It makes no difference if propaganda
1059
01:04:17.300 --> 01:04:19.679
is at a high level. The question is whether it
1060
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:22.360
reached its goal. My first goal when I came to
1061
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:25.460
Berlin was to make the city aware of us. They
1062
01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:27.679
could love us or hate us as long as they
1063
01:04:27.739 --> 01:04:30.119
knew who we were. We have reached that goal.
1064
01:04:30.139 --> 01:04:31.199
He's a wrestling heel.
1065
01:04:35.489 --> 01:04:37.690
We have reached that goal. We are hated and loved.
1066
01:04:38.409 --> 01:04:41.090
When someone hears the term National Socialist, he does not ask,
1067
01:04:41.210 --> 01:04:43.989
what is that? Once we have reached a first goal,
1068
01:04:44.030 --> 01:04:46.420
we can work on turning hate to love and love
1069
01:04:46.460 --> 01:04:50.920
to hate, but never to indifference. The battle against indifference
1070
01:04:50.980 --> 01:04:55.440
is the hardest battle. That's, I mean, it's so true.
1071
01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:56.039
Yeah.
1072
01:04:56.900 --> 01:04:58.260
It's just so true.
1073
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:02.599
If you can evoke an emotional response, what that emotion
1074
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:09.360
is doesn't matter. It's in their heads. And sometimes you
1075
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:11.519
can get people to do your propagandizing for you.
1076
01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:16.260
Yeah, even if it's negative. Just by repeating.
1077
01:05:17.699 --> 01:05:23.559
Your interactions with your detractors probably convert more people to
1078
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:27.920
taking the next step and watching an episode when you
1079
01:05:28.019 --> 01:05:32.659
really hammer some dumb shit on X. That's probably just
1080
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:35.900
as effective at getting them to the next level.
1081
01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:41.219
People will ask you if you're arguing with an account
1082
01:05:41.340 --> 01:05:44.510
that is like, Why are you arguing with an account
1083
01:05:44.530 --> 01:05:48.369
that has 10 followers? I'm not arguing with the account
1084
01:05:48.449 --> 01:05:52.590
for the sake of the account with 10 followers. I'm
1085
01:05:52.750 --> 01:05:55.210
arguing with the account for the people who are watching.
1086
01:05:55.389 --> 01:05:58.630
Yeah, I'm publicly crushing somebody that I know has a
1087
01:05:58.690 --> 01:06:03.300
relatively common view and letting it be known to everybody
1088
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:05.260
that might be on the fence.
1089
01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:11.820
When you have thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of followers...
1090
01:06:12.699 --> 01:06:17.500
There are followers who never comment. There are people who
1091
01:06:17.659 --> 01:06:22.699
just lurk, and they lurk all day. Never comment. That's
1092
01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:26.070
who you're doing it for. You're doing it for the
1093
01:06:26.110 --> 01:06:30.489
people who are watching what you're doing, who are watching
1094
01:06:30.530 --> 01:06:33.409
your account. I hate when someone comes in and goes,
1095
01:06:33.489 --> 01:06:35.070
why are you arguing with them? Why do you keep
1096
01:06:35.130 --> 01:06:37.829
retweeting them? Why do you keep retweeting me? I only
1097
01:06:37.869 --> 01:06:38.909
have 10 followers.
1098
01:06:39.489 --> 01:06:39.690
Yeah.
1099
01:06:39.969 --> 01:06:41.579
Shut up. Yeah, shut up.
1100
01:06:43.530 --> 01:06:45.090
If you can get a couple people to dip their
1101
01:06:45.139 --> 01:06:48.699
toe in the water, then take it from there.
1102
01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:53.880
Why am I retweeting an account with 10 followers? Just
1103
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.440
be a useful idiot and just let me retweet your account.
1104
01:07:00.690 --> 01:07:04.090
There may be 2 million people in this city who
1105
01:07:04.130 --> 01:07:07.809
hate my guts, who persecute and slander me, but I
1106
01:07:07.869 --> 01:07:10.059
know that I can win over some of them. We
1107
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:13.000
know that from experience. Some of those who persecuted us
1108
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:15.340
and fought most bitterly against us are today our most
1109
01:07:15.380 --> 01:07:19.119
determined supporters. You see that the important thing for propaganda
1110
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:21.909
is that it reaches its goal and that it is
1111
01:07:21.949 --> 01:07:26.710
a mistake to apply critical standards that are irrelevant. Let
1112
01:07:26.730 --> 01:07:29.530
me give another example. If someone asks me what I
1113
01:07:29.570 --> 01:07:31.710
think of another person, is it silly for me to say,
1114
01:07:31.730 --> 01:07:34.519
I like him, but he cannot play the piano? The
1115
01:07:34.579 --> 01:07:37.599
answer will be, so what? He's a corporate lawyer. Why
1116
01:07:37.619 --> 01:07:40.179
don't you see if he is good at what he does?
1117
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:43.099
That is a good answer, and it applies just as
1118
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:48.750
well to propaganda. Our propaganda follows a clear line. Adolf
1119
01:07:48.769 --> 01:07:51.230
Hitler once told me that it is not necessary to
1120
01:07:51.269 --> 01:07:54.369
give a programmatic speech to a public meeting. The public
1121
01:07:54.409 --> 01:07:58.909
meeting requires the most primitive approach. If the fine gentlemen say,
1122
01:07:59.130 --> 01:08:02.670
you're only a propagandist, the answer is this, was Christ
1123
01:08:02.730 --> 01:08:07.309
any different? Did he not make propaganda? Did he write
1124
01:08:07.369 --> 01:08:10.469
books or did he preach? Was Muhammad any different? Did
1125
01:08:10.510 --> 01:08:12.670
he write learned essays or did he go to the
1126
01:08:12.710 --> 01:08:15.190
people and say what he wanted to say? Were not
1127
01:08:15.230 --> 01:08:18.960
Buddha and Zarathustra propagandists? True, the philosophers of the French
1128
01:08:19.020 --> 01:08:24.880
Revolution built their intellectual foundations. But who got things moving? Robespierre, Denton,
1129
01:08:24.979 --> 01:08:27.439
and the others. Did these men write books or did
1130
01:08:27.460 --> 01:08:31.329
they speak in popular meetings? Look around today. Is Mussolini
1131
01:08:31.369 --> 01:08:34.359
more an author or a great speaker? When Lenin took
1132
01:08:34.380 --> 01:08:38.659
the train from Zurich to Petersburg, did he repair to
1133
01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:41.300
his study and write a book, or did he speak
1134
01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:45.680
to thousands? Fascism and Bolshevism were built by great speakers,
1135
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:48.520
by masters of the spoken word. There is no difference
1136
01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:51.909
between the politician and the speaker. History proves that great
1137
01:08:51.949 --> 01:08:57.050
politicians were always great speakers. Napoleon, Caesar, Alexander, Mussolini, Lenin,
1138
01:08:57.470 --> 01:09:00.489
name whomever you want. They were all great speakers. and
1139
01:09:00.529 --> 01:09:05.619
great organizers. If a person combines rhetorical talent, organizational ability,
1140
01:09:05.699 --> 01:09:08.720
and philosophical ability, if he has the ability to transmit
1141
01:09:08.779 --> 01:09:11.600
knowledge and to gather people under his banner, then he
1142
01:09:11.659 --> 01:09:12.699
is a brilliant statesman.
1143
01:09:13.460 --> 01:09:13.680
Yep.
1144
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:16.600
And that's why we don't have any statesmen. We don't...
1145
01:09:18.289 --> 01:09:21.380
you know who that is right there right now? Bukele.
1146
01:09:22.140 --> 01:09:23.300
Yeah. Yup.
1147
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:31.100
Yeah. And really, yeah. And really he's like, his philosophical
1148
01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:34.890
ability is, I mean, it, it really comes, it comes
1149
01:09:34.930 --> 01:09:36.149
out more when he's questioned.
1150
01:09:36.729 --> 01:09:37.470
Yeah. Yup.
1151
01:09:38.010 --> 01:09:38.189
Yeah.
1152
01:09:39.010 --> 01:09:46.090
Especially by a hostile party. Yeah. He is the master of, uh,
1153
01:09:46.789 --> 01:09:52.699
of replying to his detractors and just strengthening himself. Yeah. Um,
1154
01:09:52.739 --> 01:09:58.119
there was a Massachusetts representative that he just got BTF
1155
01:09:58.199 --> 01:09:59.079
owed by Boo Kelly.
1156
01:10:01.609 --> 01:10:02.449
Oh yeah. I saw that.
1157
01:10:03.069 --> 01:10:06.510
Uh, something about like moving, like relocating a painting in
1158
01:10:06.550 --> 01:10:09.590
an airport. He's like, yeah, we moved it two feet
1159
01:10:09.869 --> 01:10:12.529
and like, shut up. Yeah.
1160
01:10:13.739 --> 01:10:20.140
Yeah. Laconic, laconic phrases. If someone tells me today, you're
1161
01:10:20.180 --> 01:10:23.529
a demagogue, I answer him in this way. Demagogy, in
1162
01:10:23.550 --> 01:10:25.609
the good sense, is simply the ability to get the
1163
01:10:25.649 --> 01:10:29.050
masses to understand what I want them to understand. Of course,
1164
01:10:29.130 --> 01:10:31.149
I can adjust to the feelings of the broad masses,
1165
01:10:31.409 --> 01:10:35.229
which is demagogy in the bad sense. Then I change
1166
01:10:35.289 --> 01:10:37.510
not only the form of what I say, but also
1167
01:10:37.550 --> 01:10:43.539
the content. You cannot tell me that things have changed. Formerly,
1168
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.239
speakers built movements. Today, we live in the age of
1169
01:10:46.260 --> 01:10:49.159
the press, and it is the writers who are influential.
1170
01:10:50.180 --> 01:10:53.460
This theory is obviously false. Of course, the press is important,
1171
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.520
but if you examine well-written editorials, they turn out to
1172
01:10:56.539 --> 01:11:00.460
be speeches in disguise. The Marxists did not win through
1173
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:04.159
their editorials, but rather because each Marxist editorial was a
1174
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:09.439
little propaganda speech. They were written by agitators. They sat
1175
01:11:09.460 --> 01:11:13.430
in their offices or in their smoke-filled bars writing not elegant, intellectual,
1176
01:11:13.470 --> 01:11:18.170
and polished essays, but rather brutal, direct words which the
1177
01:11:18.329 --> 01:11:19.970
average man understand.
1178
01:11:19.989 --> 01:11:26.279
We have a litany of those right now. All I
1179
01:11:26.300 --> 01:11:34.470
can think of is BuzzFeed. Except, wait, what did he say?
1180
01:11:34.489 --> 01:11:37.659
They were written by agitators. They sat in their offices
1181
01:11:37.739 --> 01:11:38.979
or in their cum-filled rooms.
1182
01:11:41.619 --> 01:11:48.640
Jeez. Probably do have some great propagandist coomers.
1183
01:11:49.180 --> 01:11:49.420
Yeah.
1184
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:54.300
That is why the masses devoured the red press. We
1185
01:11:54.340 --> 01:11:57.119
must learn from their example. Marxism did not win because
1186
01:11:57.159 --> 01:12:00.899
it had great profits. They had none. Marxism won because
1187
01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:04.310
its nonsense was promoted by agitators to the ability of
1188
01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:09.029
August Bebel August Bebel, and Lenin. They led Marxism to victory.
1189
01:12:09.670 --> 01:12:13.170
If the Völkisch movement had had such agitators at its disposal,
1190
01:12:13.550 --> 01:12:17.850
its stronger intellectual foundations would surely have led it to victory.
1191
01:12:18.810 --> 01:12:22.220
Some critics complain. All you do is criticize. You only complain.
1192
01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:25.239
You can't do things any better yourselves. Does this sound
1193
01:12:25.260 --> 01:12:29.260
familiar at all? Has anybody ever said that to you?
1194
01:12:30.300 --> 01:12:30.680
Love it.
1195
01:12:31.659 --> 01:12:35.909
Like once a day. Once a day. Others say that
1196
01:12:35.949 --> 01:12:41.250
the Angriff, Goebbels' newspaper in Berlin, is entirely negative. Say
1197
01:12:41.310 --> 01:12:43.770
something positive for a change. Well, I am not in
1198
01:12:43.789 --> 01:12:47.189
a position to say anything positive about Isidore Weiss, the
1199
01:12:47.229 --> 01:12:50.630
Jewish vice chief of police in Berlin, and a regular
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01:12:50.689 --> 01:12:53.850
Goebbels target. I can only be negative. And there is
1201
01:12:53.899 --> 01:12:56.699
nothing positive I can say about the Republic. There is
1202
01:12:56.720 --> 01:13:00.100
nothing positive about it. I can say something positive only
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when I eliminate the negative. The most brilliant statesmen on
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earth could do nothing with this republic, and Marxism preached
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only the negative for 60 years. The result was that
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it took over the state on 9th November 1918. Hitler
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once said, keep those know-it-alls who always want to do
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something positive away from me. We could do something positive
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only when we have first gotten rid of the negative.
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A leader does not emerge from a conference table. He
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develops from the masses, and the And the more a
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true leader rises from the masses, the more he draws
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the masses to him. The mass is the weak, cowardly,
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lazy majority of people. One can never entirely win the
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broad mass. The best elements from the mass must be
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put in a form where they can be victorious. That
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is the task of a brilliant mind. We thank fate. Crucible.
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Crucible.
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We thank fate that it has given us one of
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these minds, a mind superior to all others, whom we
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willingly serve. That is the proof that we will win.
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If others find their wisdom in majority rule, but a
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movement is led by one person, that movement will win.
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When it wins is irrelevant. It will win because that
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is the way things are. Look around as much as
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you want. You will everywhere see our movement's intellectual foundations.
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The task of the leaders and the followers is to
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01:14:30.149 --> 01:14:32.779
drive this knowledge ever deeper into the hearts of our
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shattered nation. Each must make that clear. Each must think
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things through. Everything we do must be clear. We will
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never give up. If everything is clear, one does not
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have to be an outstanding speaker. If he can say
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it all in a few words, he is a propagandist.
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If we have an army of such propagandists, from the
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littlest to the fewer himself, and if each spreads our
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01:14:55.489 --> 01:15:00.779
crystal clear knowledge to the masses... The day will come
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which our worldview takes over the state, when our organization
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seizes the reins of power, when we are no longer
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members of a slave colony, but rather citizens of a
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political state that we ourselves have formed. That is our
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01:15:17.779 --> 01:15:20.739
task on this planet, to create the foundation on which
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our people can live. When we do that, the nation
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will create works of culture that will endure for eons
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in world history. Alright.
1245
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I agree with everything you said.
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Really, is there anything in there that you took umbrage with?
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01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:53.119
Um, little quibbles here and there. Was Gerbils Catholic?
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I don't know what he was. I don't know how
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he was raised. Autorized or whatever.
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Some weird German offshoot of Protestantism.
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Is that what it says? Oh, no, I don't know. Oh, okay.
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That's early life. Both of his parents were Roman Catholics
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with modest family backgrounds. Yeah. What's funny is Goebbels does
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definitely look German, but he could also pass for Sicilian.
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Yeah. Looks a little too self-German. Yeah.
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South Italian. South of the boot, like way south.
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Yeah, I mean, when I read this, all I could
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think is, wow, we have a long way to go.
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If we ever get there. Well, you know, and it's
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also one of the problems with having people who are
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a little too smart.
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Yep.
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Because it's like, okay, so if you speak in very
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plain language, if you use propaganda that is, what did
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someone tell me today? It was, oh, what you just
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posted was rage bait. I don't think what I posted
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was rage bait. Well, I mean, it may have been.
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I don't know. You tell me. Is it propaganda? I'll
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find it. I mean, it's, I get accused of that
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all the time, but. I think, you know, when you're
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talking about when you're talking about power and really how
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how power is supposed to work and how power will
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01:17:35.270 --> 01:17:39.590
actually work, then, you know, it's.
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It. Yeah.
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So Jake Shields, you know, Jake Shields, MMA guy. Yep. Yeah.
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And and huge noticer.
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Yeah.
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01:17:52.270 --> 01:17:55.590
He said, I guess speaking about Trump, he said, conservatives
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try to be fair while liberals imprison their political rivals
1280
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at all costs. This is why conservatives always lose. It
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01:18:02.369 --> 01:18:04.729
needs to learn to fight dirty or keep on losing.
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01:18:05.310 --> 01:18:07.869
This isn't how America should be, but I don't see
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any other alternative.
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It's a natural proclivity of your garden variety conservative to
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respect legitimate authority and You know, the courthouse yesterday was
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01:18:24.470 --> 01:18:28.229
a legitimate authority, and that's why today there's no demonstrations.
1287
01:18:28.770 --> 01:18:34.399
There's just, you know, Fox News panelists screaming into the
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TV and, you know, a bunch of people mad online.
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01:18:39.819 --> 01:18:43.909
What you needed to see today was a planned effort
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01:18:43.909 --> 01:18:49.250
well in advance of Republican areas, of people, um republican
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01:18:50.029 --> 01:18:56.479
da's things like people like that arresting democrat politicians locally.
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01:18:57.600 --> 01:18:59.779
And you know what like this has always been a
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possibility and then come july 11th during the sentencing it
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is a possibility that he will go to jail and
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01:19:06.739 --> 01:19:10.609
then what like there's we're not even getting to the
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step that talks about organization. Like we're, we're way so
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01:19:17.569 --> 01:19:22.210
far removed from any type of will to activism or, or,
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01:19:22.609 --> 01:19:26.729
or anything like that. And because you're a fed, you know, if,
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if you talk about that, you're fed. Yep. Which is
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01:19:30.069 --> 01:19:33.350
why it's so important that there is a real life
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01:19:33.390 --> 01:19:37.739
component that to meet people that, share a common view
1302
01:19:37.779 --> 01:19:43.930
with you and propagandize. That might be done through propaganda
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01:19:44.029 --> 01:19:47.170
or it might just be like you happen to meet
1304
01:19:47.229 --> 01:19:52.130
somebody that has already been propagandized successfully in whatever your
1305
01:19:52.170 --> 01:19:59.100
worldview is. But go outside. People are begging you. Go outside.
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01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:02.979
Go to the bar. Go to, I don't know. Meet
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people in real life.
1308
01:20:04.819 --> 01:20:09.020
Go talk to people. Um, so my response, my rage
1309
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:12.319
bait response, as it was called, was, um, to Jake
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01:20:12.350 --> 01:20:16.369
was politics, his friend, enemy, simple as how do you
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01:20:16.430 --> 01:20:20.270
treat your enemies when you get power over them? And
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01:20:20.310 --> 01:20:23.189
then in quotes, I went, Oh, but my morals, fuck
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01:20:23.210 --> 01:20:25.050
your morals. They want you dead.
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01:20:25.770 --> 01:20:27.189
Yeah. Yup.
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01:20:27.390 --> 01:20:33.069
I mean, is, can that be considered hyperbolic? Very. Is
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01:20:33.130 --> 01:20:33.590
it true?
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01:20:36.159 --> 01:20:38.560
Are they willing to die for their morals? Cause that's
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01:20:38.579 --> 01:20:40.779
something we can work with, but we know that they're not,
1319
01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:47.890
which is why they don't have any potential. Yeah. It's just,
1320
01:20:49.189 --> 01:20:53.350
it's just click it, man. They get 10 cents a click.
1321
01:20:53.489 --> 01:20:54.010
Just click.
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01:20:55.069 --> 01:20:59.050
Yeah. Anything else you got to say about this?
1323
01:20:59.510 --> 01:21:05.449
No, I'm just feeling particularly jaded and yeah, I, Me
1324
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and Bird just recorded an episode that we don't really
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01:21:08.170 --> 01:21:11.600
know if we should release because we spoke very frankly
1326
01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:15.039
about some subjects that came up in this episode.
1327
01:21:16.819 --> 01:21:21.699
Ah. Well, I mean, if you don't release it, just
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please share it with me.
1329
01:21:22.920 --> 01:21:25.060
Oh, I will. Yeah. I'm sure Bird will have no
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01:21:25.100 --> 01:21:25.680
problem with that.
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01:21:25.699 --> 01:21:27.390
Okay.
1332
01:21:27.510 --> 01:21:29.270
And then you release it because I want to.
1333
01:21:29.289 --> 01:21:36.420
Yeah. You're going to do your first BTWA in, what,
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01:21:36.500 --> 01:21:36.880
two years?
1335
01:21:37.279 --> 01:21:43.390
Yeah. Yeah, it's coming any time now. I think I'm
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01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:44.529
going to do a rebrand, though.
1337
01:21:45.729 --> 01:21:45.899
Are you?
1338
01:21:46.250 --> 01:21:48.750
Yeah. Rolling around ideas.
1339
01:21:50.409 --> 01:21:52.409
That's good. That's good. It'd be good to see you
1340
01:21:52.430 --> 01:21:55.810
putting out some material. I know you work your ass off, though.
1341
01:21:56.729 --> 01:21:59.949
So I guess we gave half the plugs already, so
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01:21:59.970 --> 01:22:01.289
you can finish doing whatever you're doing.
1343
01:22:01.609 --> 01:22:05.069
Yeah, you can find me on Twitter at BTWA underscore
1344
01:22:05.109 --> 01:22:08.670
returns and every week on Timeline Earth.
1345
01:22:11.789 --> 01:22:12.970
I love every time you say that.
1346
01:22:13.510 --> 01:22:13.970
Every week.
1347
01:22:15.029 --> 01:22:17.050
All right, man. Thank you.
1348
01:22:17.369 --> 01:22:18.170
Thank you for having me.
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Yep, of course.