How Good Is This Packers Roster, REALLY? We Graded Every Position

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Welcome back to Packers Derailed brought
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to you by packerpro.com.
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I'm JJ Lehey, your host and in a second
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I'm going to be joined by my co-host
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Jake Shvink. We are going to be
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discussing the
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position groups across the whole roster
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and giving our rating for how good we
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think each room is. and then we're going
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to parlay that into sort of a confidence
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rating in the offense and the defense
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and the team as a whole. This was a
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really fun conversation. If you didn't
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get a chance to tune in to the live show
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on YouTube Tuesday night, uh you missed
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out because we had a lot of fun and we
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had a live poll that you guys were able
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to participate in. I put the link on
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Twitter and on Substack as well,
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but
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everybody who was there in the live
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stream, they had a chance to submit
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their rating for each position group.
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So, it's basically like, hey, I'm
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looking at the quarterback room. You got
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Jordan Love as the starter. How how good
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do I feel about him? And then, how good
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do I feel about Trod Taylor as the
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backup? I guess, you know, on a scale of
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one to 10, my rating for the quarterback
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room would be whatever out of 10
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compared to my expectations for what
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this room should be since you're trying
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to win a Super Bowl. So maybe you feel
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great about Jordan Love as a starter and
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Terrod Taylor as the backup and you just
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give him a 10 out of 10, that's fine.
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Honestly, the quarterback room did get a
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pretty high rating. So we did that for
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every position group on the roster and
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uh and it was a lot of fun. So, we're
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going to do that now. Jake is going to
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join and we're going to talk about our
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position group ratings across the whole
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roster. And by the way, this is
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something I'd like to come back to.
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Maybe in the middle of the season, maybe
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at the end of the season, just check in
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on how our feelings evolve on this
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roster as time goes by. There's a couple
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rooms that we have some major questions
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about. I don't think it's too big of a
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spoiler to say that we are very
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uncertain about the offensive line and
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still some big questions about
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cornerback, especially depth. So, that's
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going to be an interesting thing to
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monitor throughout the season. So,
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buckle in, have fun, go Pack, go. I'd
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love for you to participate in a little
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exercise that we're going to be doing
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here tonight where we are going to rate
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all the position groups uh for the
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Packers. I'm really excited about this.
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I've been uh wanting to do this for a
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while and I think it's going to be
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really really good. Um I'm putting the
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link um together for where you can go
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fill in uh and rate each position group
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one through 10. I'm going to do it. Jake
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is going to do it, but this show has
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three co-hosts and the third co-host is
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the chat. So you guys are going to do
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this as well. I gave an individual
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rating 1 through 10 for every player on
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the team and I came up with a weight for
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how important their job is.
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Um, so for example, let's just say that
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I think I'm I'm just going to pick a
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position at random running back. Let's
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just say that I think our starting
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running back is very average, but our
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third string running back is out of this
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world amazing.
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that they're not going to be weighted
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the same. And I came up with numbers
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that I think appropriately reflect the
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value here. And so then um so I have a a
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number to assign to each position group.
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And we're going to take Jake's rating
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for each position group and you guys'
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and we're going to average them together
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and come up with our official Packer
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Project rating for each position group.
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And I think that is going to be a fun
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different way for us to look at this
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roster that we haven't done yet. And I
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think it'll be fun maybe to check in on
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this throughout the year as well. Come
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back in the middle of the season, maybe
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at the end of the season, and and see
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how our feelings on those um aged over
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time. So,
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>> do you have any tens
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>> or do I do have
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>> Okay.
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>> No, I I do have some
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>> I do have some tens. Let me see here. I
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I know I have at least two. Okay,
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>> I have four total tens on the roster.
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>> Okay,
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>> but remember this is there players are
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being judged for what their role is. So
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if you're let's say you're RB3 and I
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consider you a 10 for RB3, if some
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injuries happened and you suddenly
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became RB1, like your rating is probably
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going to plummet and you're no longer
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going to be a 10. You're not a 10 out of
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10 for RB3. You're probably like a three
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or a four out of 10 for RB1.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, judging or grading on that curve, I
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do have I think four tens total. Uh, how
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about you? Did you come up with any
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tens? Oh. Oh, the tens were for my
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players, not for the position group.
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>> Oh, I meant position group. Yes. I I'm
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sure there are players who are tens, but
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I was just wondering if you have a 10 at
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any position group that you feel
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>> No, the highest I got
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>> the highest I I I can just tell you cuz
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we're going to start with quarterback.
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Quarterback was the highest rated
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position group for me on the roster.
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>> Sure.
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>> And it was not it was not a 10. So, I'm
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going to give my rating for each
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position group and and Jake, we'll get
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your rating and we'll get the listeners
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rating as well. And then if there's
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specific players that we want to talk
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about in these rooms, I don't think we
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need to give a rating for every single
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player, but I do have a rating for every
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single player. So if you want to know my
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rating on anybody,
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>> um that's Caleb Johnson.
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>> Caleb Johnson.
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>> We're gonna get there. We're going to
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get there.
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>> We can do it. Yeah.
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>> No, no, we we can start at the top. We
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can start at the top. But I I
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>> So we we'll do quarterback.
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>> No spoilers. No spoilers.
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My rating for the corner quarterback
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room as a whole
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was 8.8. And I'm going to tell you, I
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included the whole practice squad on
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here as well, but like I went through
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and I gave
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>> so like in the quarterback room, my
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weighted value out of 10 for QB1, of
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course, is 10. My weighted value for QB2
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was only 2.5.
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And my weighted value for QB3 was 0.5.
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So even if you're a 10 out of 10 as a
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QB3,
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it's not going to move the needle hardly
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at all. But I I did I did do that. So um
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there there's a couple of rooms on this
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team that are really big like offensive
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line. We have three offensive linemen on
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the practice squad. So that does still
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fill out the numbers a little bit more.
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And the reason I chose to do it this way
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is because this is how the Packers view
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their roster. They view it as being a
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70man roster, not a 53man roster. They
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they talk about that openly. So that's
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how I chose to view this as well. What
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was your rating out of 10 for
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quarterback? I went 8.8 for quarterback.
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>> So I have a nine. I think I just kind of
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went the room as a whole. I feel okay
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about Terrod Taylor as the backup. Uh
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this would go to a 10 if Anthony
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Richardson or Jordan Milton would be
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joining this roster. Uh no guaranteed.
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Uh simply because I think one the the
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aggressive nature of the offense would
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not diminish should Love miss time. And
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both of them can be involved in some
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Malik Willis hide the you know hide the
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uh hide the passer in in the player for
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for a bit of time as as they develop.
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But yeah I mean it's still Jordan Love I
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think one of the best in my opinion
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outside the elite tier of quarterbacks.
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I think you could rank him anywhere from
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about five or six to down to you know
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eight or nine I think if you want to be
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reasonable. But so I I Yeah, it's it's a
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nine. It's the best on the offense.
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>> I So my my room was an 8.8 and it was it
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was dragged down by Terrod Taylor. I
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gave him a five, which is just average.
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>> Um
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>> so I I have uh here, where's my rubric?
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So five is okay. So So 10 is about as
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good as you could reasonably expect.
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Seven is clearly above average for that
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role. Five is average. Three is
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concerning for that role and one is
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completely unacceptable. Um, so I have
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Jordan Love as a 10. You and I have a
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little slightly different opinions on
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Jordan Love. Most players on the roster
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we see eye to eye with, but I'm I'm
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definitely higher on Jordan than you
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are. I definitely have him in that elite
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uh echelon of quarterbacks.
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He's he's he's he's a top three guy for
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me. I have him as a 10. I have Trod as a
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five. And then Katon Slovis, I got him
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as a three. I I don't really view him as
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being worth developing,
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but also he's QB3, so I I don't
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>> care that much.
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>> That's a big old negative two. I can't
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We can't do the Keon Slovis stuff that
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What are we doing?
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>> There's a million better players to put
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on a practice squad. Goodness sakes.
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>> I mean, when you're a rated three out of
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10 as a practice squad QB, like that
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that's pretty low. Pretty low. I'm
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pretty sure Wix is a better QB
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than him.
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>> Dantavan Wix or
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>> That's correct. Yes,
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>> he might be.
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>> I think the fans
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>> I think he is.
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>> So So you and I Oh, we got a 10 jewel
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dono by uh GPG edits.
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>> Um I feel like I I I know I'm friends
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with somebody on X whose handle is that.
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Um but I wonder on this view I can't see
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the display name. Let me see if I can
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pull this up. I want to see who that is.
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Jeep goedits.
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Oh, that's just their name on YouTube as
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well. Okay. I don't know what's your
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name. I I feel like I know you. Thank
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you for the for the uh 10 jewel dono. Uh
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so Jake was actually the highest vote on
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QB at nine. I was 8.8 and the listeners
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only went 8.2 average for a quarterback.
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Uh, LeBron McCarthy.
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Uh,
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>> no.
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>> Okay.
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>> Hedon Slovis versus JJ McCarthy.
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>> Don't care. McCarthy don't care.
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>> For sure. McCarthy for sure. We're not
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doing, as I said, Dantavian Wixs or Eden
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Slovis is Wix. So,
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>> okay.
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>> Dantavian Wixs or JJ McCarthy. Again,
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don't care. I don't want either one of
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them playing quarterback for me.
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>> All right. running back to said, "I'd
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love to get Hended Hooker to shove it in
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the face of the Lions and Vikings fans
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when we turn him into winter." That into
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a winner. I love that. That's great.
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Iowa Joe says, "Trod is terrible. He
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lowers that room.
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>> Who's the lemon now, Joe?"
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>> Oh. Oh, burn.
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Burn.
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I I I will say like he's he's um about
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as uninspiring as you can get at backup
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QB without setting off alarm bells.
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completely uninspiring but not setting
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off alarm bells.
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>> He is not Mason Rudolph. He is not
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uh I mean like would you rather have
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Andy Dalton? Absolutely. Of course.
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>> Yeah,
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>> completely. But honestly, Flaco would be
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hilarious. Um Gunslinger Cowboy.
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>> Yeah. Heck yeah.
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>> Gunslinger Cowboy for this offense would
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be sick.
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>> I would Yeah. Flaco as your backup QB
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>> would be sick
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>> in Matt Laflur's offense. Like heck
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yeah. Anyway,
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>> we're going to bounce over over to
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running back. I'm going to let you go
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first. What is your rating for the
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running back room out of 10?
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>> Okay,
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so this is a room we've talked about as
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as we've for the last couple drafts said
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they should probably address the room.
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>> Probably should have.
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>> Um,
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>> man, imagine if they drafted somebody
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like uh oh, that Iowa running back Caleb
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Johnson. That that would have been good.
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or or Scataboo, who went later in the
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draft. Um,
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yeah, I I really struggle with this one.
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I I put it at a six. I was originally
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had it at five and a half. I I think
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it's fine. I think schematically
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hopefully they get just are able to get
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more out of this room. Again, Lloyd just
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hasn't played enough and really Caleb
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Johnson hasn't played that much either.
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So, yep. And Chris Brooks is a pass
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protecting running back at third down.
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Like six probably feels a little
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generous to be honest.
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>> I mean, he's really a fullback. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. It's probably five and a half
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really where I initially had it just cuz
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I just again it's not
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>> it's not
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>> Is your official rating five and a half
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or
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>> five and a half? It's five and a half.
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>> So the fans also went five and a half. I
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I thought it was interesting that you
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went six because that would have been
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the highest rating of anybody on that
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room as well. So, you would have been
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number one on quarterback and running
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back.
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>> The fans went 5.5. I would
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>> That wasn't good for my lemon brand, so
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I can't do that.
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>> Well, when we get to tight end, next up,
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we got uh we'll hit tight end, and
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you're going to have to decide if you
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want to crap on the tight ends or not.
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But, um I went 4.8. And the way I got
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there was I
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I gave I I listed Caleb Johnson as RB1
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and I rated him a four out of 10 as RB1.
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>> I listed Marshon Lloyd as RB2.
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You're not going to like this. I rated
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him as a four out of 10 for RB2.
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I'm just I'm it it it's this would be a
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lot higher if durability wasn't still a
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concern, but I'm still really concerned
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about his durability. I don't know if we
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can give him 10 carries a game. I don't
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know if he can handle, you know, like
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the Aaron Jones like eight carries a
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game for a whole season or if that's
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going to be too much. I have no idea.
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Add into that the fact that although he
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was fun to watch in the preseason, he
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clearly still has a lot of rust to knock
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off and hopefully he knocks it off
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quickly. But you cannot ignore the fact
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that this guy is not used to getting
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hit. He's not used to NFL defense speed.
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I'm going to give him the benefit of the
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doubt and assume that like by halftime
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of week one or maybe by week two or
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three, he's going to be up to speed.
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like I'm I'm just gonna I'm just going
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to be generous and give him that benefit
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of the doubt,
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but I also need to see it from him.
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Right. Right now, he's just so much
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projection with a healthy dose of
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caution because you don't want to break
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him because
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>> walking to the practice field has broken
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him a bunch of times.
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>> So,
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>> I am not doubting what he could be,
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>> but rating him based off of what he has
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proven so far. I've upgraded for him
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from like a couple months ago this would
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have been a one out of 10 as RB2 because
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the dude can't even complete a practice.
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He's now for me up to a four out of 10
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for RB2.
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>> Um, and
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if RB3
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wasn't weighted so lowly for like the
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benefit of the room, Chris Brooks
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getting a 10 out of 10 for me as RB3
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would be carrying this room. But Chris
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Brooks is exactly what I want out of an
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RB3 as long as he's not, you know,
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getting carries. He's a beast pass
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blocker and the only fullback type we
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have on the roster.
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I am more than content with what we get
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out of Chris Brooks as RB3. Hopefully,
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he can stay RB3 and injuries don't ever
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push him up to RB2 because we're going
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to have a totally different discussion
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at that point.
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But like, you know, last year the
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Packers considered him RB2.
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So, you know, this this year with him
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being RB3, I think that's a much more
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favorable spot for us.
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>> So, 4.8 for the room is what I'm going.
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>> So, that is uh the lowest. So, uh by the
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way, so our average rating for QB for
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you, me, and the fans is 8.6.
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Sorry, 8.7 and for running back it's
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5.3.
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So,
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um
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>> I'm like going through rosters to see
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like Chris Brooks's RB3 versus what
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other teams have
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just because I'm very very interested in
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that.
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>> That isn't that does make me curious. I
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mean, Arizona
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>> Rams RB3
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>> obviously Arizona it's a little unfair
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>> cuz James Carter's technically their RB3
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which is kind of ludicrous. Uh Rams,
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>> it's okay. They don't have anything
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else.
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>> They traded Jarres Hunter so it's Ronnie
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Rivers.
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I I think I think Chris Brooks is
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comparatively you're not going to find a
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lot of RB3s out there
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>> better than better than Chris Brooks.
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Again, I don't want
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>> Jonah Coleman technically RB3 in Denver.
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>> That's pretty good.
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>> That's a pretty good one.
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>> Um,
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>> you think I should I should drop Chris
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Brooks down to a nine out of 10?
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>> Not necessarily. I'm just I was just
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thinking about that as we were going
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through it. But
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>> I'm just pretty happy with him as our
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RB3.
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>> I mean, I think he does things that
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other RB3s don't do,
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>> right? Is he the most talented RB3?
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Probably not. is is he providing a
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perfect skill set that an RB3 probably
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should provide? Absolutely. So, I I
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don't I don't mind the rating at all. I
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was just it it just became a thought
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exercise on the fly where I'm like, ah,
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you know, what are we looking at as far
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as RB3s around the league?
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>> RB3
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>> obviously.
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>> Well, that's that's pretty good.
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>> Connection says Brooks is RB2 right now.
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I don't know what you're basing that off
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of. I I I'm not sure put him behind
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that.
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>> The depth chart does say that. Well, if
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you want to put stock in that, I suppose
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I I wouldn't put any stock in in that,
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but
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>> yeah, it's a little early for like true.
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>> Do you think that Matt Laflur cares
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about the depth chart? Is that something
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he actually put
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>> at a position like running back?
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Probably not. Um,
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>> but
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so now Cheese had connection. This is
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the same guy who just started the new
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podcast, right? Let me just check here
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because I know I I retweeted it. I just
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want to make sure I'm not getting him
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mixed up with somebody else. I forgot
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they changed the thing around. Where do
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you see your retweets
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or or Katon Mitchell's RB3 in LA for the
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Chargers?
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>> Cheese Head Connection
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>> podcast.
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Uh he started a call-in show called
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Chopping the Cheese.
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So, uh, he's got a phone number and you
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call it and leave a voicemail and he's
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going to respond to your voicemails. So,
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go check that out. Cheese Head
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Connection is cheese_connect
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onx. Go ahead and find his show and give
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it a listen.
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All right, wide receiver.
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I ended up being surprised with how low
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I went on the rating for wide receiver
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after I average this out. So, keep in
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mind only the top three guys are
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weighted really heavily. You got wide
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receiver one is a 10 out of 10 for
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importance in the wide receiver room.
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And then wide receiver two is a nine out
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of 10. Wide receiver three for me was a
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seven out of 10. And I listed those as
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Christian Watson for wide receiver one,
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Jaden Reed is wide receiver two, and
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Matthew Golden is wide receiver three.
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You may disagree with that ranking, but
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that's kind of how I felt was
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appropriate to rank them. So, Christian
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Watson as a wide receiver one, I gave
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him a six out of 10.
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I like him a lot. He certainly is
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physically gifted and his speed is
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certainly something you have to respect,
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but I do still think his route tree is
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limited enough.
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You can take him away.
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Just stacking him up against, you know,
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JSN,
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Devonte, just the various wide receiver
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ones around the league.
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I gave him a six out of 10. I gave Jaden
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Reed an eight out of 10. I could see
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that climbing, but again, I'm dinging
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him a little bit because it's been so
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long since we've seen him healthy
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and so that does color my impression of
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him and also my trust in him going
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forward. And then Matthew Golden, I gave
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an eight out of 10 for wide receiver
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three.
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So, I did rate the rest of the room as
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well, but I came up with a 6.9 overall
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for the wide receiver room. What did you
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come up with?
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Yeah, I have the wide receiver room
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as a 7.75.
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>> Okay.
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>> I like it. Don't love it, but it's good.
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Like I think relative to like other
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trios around the league.
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It's pro It's probably not one of the
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top It's for sure not one of the top
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five, especially when you're waiting a
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lot of it, right? Like obviously Bengals
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two-headed monster very hard. I think
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even in the division, even in the
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division, it's not amazing.
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>> Yeah. I mean, St. Brown, Jamo as a duo,
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they don't really have a third. Tesla
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really hasn't panned out.
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>> Obviously,
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>> Jefferson, Addison, Jennings, and then
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you have a Dun Burden and Khalif
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Raymond, I believe, is the starter.
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>> Dallas was another one I obviously
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looked at, right? You know, Lamb
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Pickicket and Flenoy. I think Feno is
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probably getting underrated as a third
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receiver. You go BTJ, Parker Washington,
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Jacobe Meyers
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in I think our third
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>> our third is better than anybody else's
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third probably
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>> than then just like
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a as a trio I think that you could give
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us points for wide receiver three
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whoever you think that is
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>> being better than everybody else's three
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>> but
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we don't have a
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>> you know the bonafide
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>> yes it's difficult and and not to
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mention right like obviously Golden
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missed time a little bit last year but
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Reed and Watson have both missed
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significant time over their career and
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that's another problem
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>> does kind of hurt this and then when you
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get to the depth it's kind of like ah
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there really isn't
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>> you know it it it felt better you know
00:22:59.280 --> 00:23:00.950
last year obviously
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>> but like oh the other one that was the
00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:05.029
other one AJ Brown Romeo Dobs Kyle
00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:08.870
Williams in New England could be pretty
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darn good and that was like another trio
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where I'm like ah yeah like I I love our
00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:16.390
three better but like man dos has been
00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:18.950
much more available than you know as a
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:20.710
two than and so that's that's where it
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was like going through all those
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especially was just kind of like man
00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:26.149
it's it's it's
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good it's good as a trio but the
00:23:29.760 --> 00:23:32.950
durability availability stuff
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:35.750
really stresses the room and obviously
00:23:35.760 --> 00:23:38.070
again the room's just not as as I mean
00:23:38.080 --> 00:23:39.830
last year we probably I I would assume
00:23:39.840 --> 00:23:41.990
we had a nine as as the receiver room. I
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.149
can't imagine we wouldn't have had that
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with the five players in that room. Like
00:23:47.120 --> 00:23:50.230
that's like I I feel like that's it made
00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:51.590
more sense because it was like the depth
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is going to play most likely, but it's
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just
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>> Yeah, it's
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is what it is. Joel for this said, "My
00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:01.510
big question for our wide receiver room
00:24:01.520 --> 00:24:03.350
is how often do we get our wide receiver
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room?"
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>> And that's a valid
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>> historically that's been a very good
00:24:06.159 --> 00:24:07.270
question. Yeah,
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>> it's a very valid question.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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>> So, you're what what was your number?
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You seven 775.
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>> Yeah.
00:24:15.919 --> 00:24:19.110
>> So, the fans went eight on this. So, our
00:24:19.120 --> 00:24:22.789
combined average is 7.6. And I I I don't
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:24.549
hate that. I think that's probably a
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:27.190
pretty fair average. And I I've been
00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:28.710
updating this as we go through because
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um there's still people filling out the
00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:32.310
the poll and so those numbers are going
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to continue to change. Uh let's move on
00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.350
to tight end. You uh you can go first.
00:24:37.360 --> 00:24:40.310
What's your rating for a tight end room?
00:24:40.320 --> 00:24:42.549
>> I I think just craft being able to carry
00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:45.110
the day gets this to an eight for sure.
00:24:45.120 --> 00:24:48.149
I I think even off of injury, I just
00:24:48.159 --> 00:24:50.310
think again he is he is special player
00:24:50.320 --> 00:24:52.470
in this league. I think John provides
00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:54.710
something for you as a receiver and then
00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:56.870
again just like
00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.350
going from Josh Wy is for sure the
00:24:59.360 --> 00:25:00.950
second player to like Josh Wley is
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:02.390
probably the third, but you know Redmond
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:03.750
they're excited about and there's all
00:25:03.760 --> 00:25:05.110
this. It makes you feel a lot better
00:25:05.120 --> 00:25:07.909
about the room. So, I I feel almost
00:25:07.919 --> 00:25:09.909
exponentially better than I felt a
00:25:09.919 --> 00:25:11.510
couple weeks ago even about this
00:25:11.520 --> 00:25:13.269
position, which is I think a big deal.
00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:14.310
And we were kind of talking about it
00:25:14.320 --> 00:25:16.070
postdraft of like, I don't like what
00:25:16.080 --> 00:25:17.269
this is at.
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:20.149
>> And I guess, you know, we I I the
00:25:20.159 --> 00:25:22.149
hashtag fell for it again.
00:25:22.159 --> 00:25:24.789
>> Uh fell for the, you know, not listening
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:28.149
to the lot of offseason left, you know,
00:25:28.159 --> 00:25:31.110
so they made it work and that's that's a
00:25:31.120 --> 00:25:32.470
big deal.
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>> So, you went an eight.
00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:36.950
>> Yeah. And I think again it's just Craft
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:40.310
carrying the day is to me probably
00:25:40.320 --> 00:25:42.390
>> again it's tricky now like entering the
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:43.909
season where would you rank Craft in the
00:25:43.919 --> 00:25:45.510
league?
00:25:45.520 --> 00:25:47.110
>> It's tricky because KD's coming off
00:25:47.120 --> 00:25:50.230
injury and so that hampers I think that
00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:51.190
kind of
00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.029
>> and so that kind of puts Yeah. And that
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:54.950
puts the list in flux and Bowers is
00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:57.510
dealing with injury too on top of it and
00:25:57.520 --> 00:25:59.110
there's some some people saying like he
00:25:59.120 --> 00:26:01.750
probably needs PCL surgery anyway based
00:26:01.760 --> 00:26:03.830
on what they're seeing. And so like it's
00:26:03.840 --> 00:26:05.750
a weird position in flux. I'm really
00:26:05.760 --> 00:26:06.950
worried about who's going to be number
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:08.630
one at the end of the season. I think I
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:11.110
know who it's going to be unfortunately
00:26:11.120 --> 00:26:14.230
for this division. So
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:15.990
>> and but I do think Craft firmly
00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.390
entrenched as as a top five
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:19.909
>> tight end in this league. I think once
00:26:19.919 --> 00:26:21.350
he gets ramped up a little more after
00:26:21.360 --> 00:26:23.590
injury, he's just he's going to be
00:26:23.600 --> 00:26:25.669
sticking around that that number for
00:26:25.679 --> 00:26:29.750
quite some time. And that carries a day.
00:26:29.760 --> 00:26:30.549
>> Yeah. Yeah. So,
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.029
>> especially especially when that player
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.470
is an inline player on top of being an
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:39.430
absolute MadMax Fury Road bulldozer uh
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:40.630
with the football.
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:41.029
>> So,
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.750
>> yeah.
00:26:43.760 --> 00:26:49.029
>> So, I went 8.4 on mine and um you you
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:50.789
talked me into bumping Tucker up to a
00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:52.789
10. I had him as a nine because of the
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.070
injury and as you were talking
00:26:56.080 --> 00:26:57.830
I bumped up to a 10. So that actually
00:26:57.840 --> 00:27:02.070
took me from a 7.9 to an 8.4.
00:27:02.080 --> 00:27:04.710
>> I have Johnny as a six out of 10 for
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:08.470
tight end two and Mark Redmond as an
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:11.510
eight out of 10 for tight end three and
00:27:11.520 --> 00:27:14.549
Josh Wy as tight end four. I gave him a
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.070
nine. Like I'm not expecting a ton out
00:27:16.080 --> 00:27:18.470
of tight end four and and I think that
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:20.070
he can block well enough when called
00:27:20.080 --> 00:27:21.590
upon.
00:27:21.600 --> 00:27:23.669
So I'm I'm
00:27:23.679 --> 00:27:25.350
I'm just not asking very much from my
00:27:25.360 --> 00:27:28.549
tight end four. So, I got a 8.4 overall
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.830
for the for the room and the fans gave
00:27:31.840 --> 00:27:35.190
8.3. So, this is the first room that
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:36.710
we've talked about where I haven't been
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:38.310
the lowest vote and instead I'm the
00:27:38.320 --> 00:27:40.390
highest vote. So, that's exciting. So,
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.830
our combined average is 8.2, which man,
00:27:43.840 --> 00:27:46.230
if we'd have done this
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:47.750
>> one week ago.
00:27:47.760 --> 00:27:48.870
>> Oh, for sure.
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.269
>> This would have been a very very low
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:53.830
rating. We've been very nervous. And and
00:27:53.840 --> 00:27:55.830
like two months ago, this would have
00:27:55.840 --> 00:27:58.149
been like a one for us.
00:27:58.159 --> 00:27:58.549
>> Yeah.
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:00.549
>> Back when Musgrave was tight and one and
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.750
he was healthy and Tucker Craft was not
00:28:03.760 --> 00:28:04.789
looking like he was going to be back
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:06.950
anytime soon, this would have been a the
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.750
worst room on the roster for us. And now
00:28:09.760 --> 00:28:13.750
so far, it's actually tied. No. Uh
00:28:13.760 --> 00:28:15.830
that's the fan vote or our our combined
00:28:15.840 --> 00:28:17.909
vote. This is second behind quarterback.
00:28:17.919 --> 00:28:19.510
Quarterback's 8.7
00:28:19.520 --> 00:28:21.029
>> which is just as you said
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.669
>> tight end is 8.2. Crazy to think about.
00:28:23.679 --> 00:28:24.710
So
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:26.870
>> super crazy.
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.750
So uh offensive line.
00:28:29.760 --> 00:28:31.909
>> Oh, did you do it as one total position
00:28:31.919 --> 00:28:32.789
group?
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:34.149
>> I did.
00:28:34.159 --> 00:28:35.029
>> Oh, okay.
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:36.870
>> Well, I didn't split it, but I have all
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.950
the players individually, but I asked
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.669
the fans to do them combined. So, I kind
00:28:41.679 --> 00:28:43.350
of wanted to do it combined so we can
00:28:43.360 --> 00:28:43.830
>> Okay,
00:28:43.840 --> 00:28:45.269
>> we can just include the fan vote in
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:46.470
there.
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:50.710
>> Um for a second. So, I I I gave a ton of
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.350
weight to everybody on the starting five
00:28:53.360 --> 00:28:55.190
and then not much weight to anybody
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:59.430
besides the swing tackle
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.710
and then a little bit of weight to the
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.590
back, you know, the the fourth interior
00:29:05.600 --> 00:29:07.110
offensive lineman, which of course, you
00:29:07.120 --> 00:29:09.590
know, is Jagger Burton.
00:29:09.600 --> 00:29:12.789
So, I went with a 6.1 overall for this
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:15.909
room. So, I got uh Jordan Morgan as a
00:29:15.919 --> 00:29:17.830
seven out of 10.
00:29:17.840 --> 00:29:22.470
For left tackle, I have Zack Bakulele as
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.990
a 10 out of 10. For right tackle,
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.310
Aaron Banks I gave a three out of 10 for
00:29:28.320 --> 00:29:30.789
left guard. I have serious concerns
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:32.870
about Aaron Banks.
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:35.909
I gave Jacob Monk a three out of 10 for
00:29:35.919 --> 00:29:37.830
starting right guard. I need to see it
00:29:37.840 --> 00:29:39.830
first before I can have any confidence
00:29:39.840 --> 00:29:41.669
in him.
00:29:41.679 --> 00:29:43.830
Shawn Ryan I gave a six out of 10. I
00:29:43.840 --> 00:29:45.669
think that's fair. I think he's a little
00:29:45.679 --> 00:29:48.310
bit above average.
00:29:48.320 --> 00:29:50.789
There's a little bit of optimism baked
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:52.950
into that. I think with the way he
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.710
played last year, a six is a little
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:58.630
optimistic,
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:00.230
but I think he probably can take that
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.110
step. So, I'm giving him a six
00:30:03.120 --> 00:30:05.750
in terms of what I expect him to be. As
00:30:05.760 --> 00:30:08.149
a swing tackle, I'm giving Anthony
00:30:08.159 --> 00:30:11.110
Belton a seven out of 10.
00:30:11.120 --> 00:30:12.710
Um,
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.870
but make no mistake about it, he had a
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.909
really rough preeason. My seven out of
00:30:17.919 --> 00:30:21.269
10 rating for him is definitely
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:23.830
predicated a lot more off of what we saw
00:30:23.840 --> 00:30:27.029
from him last year and kind of what I
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:29.669
think is going wrong for him right now.
00:30:29.679 --> 00:30:33.430
And I I think that when called upon, he
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.110
should be
00:30:37.120 --> 00:30:40.950
good enough as your backup left and
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:42.789
right tackle
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:44.389
that the Packers probably feel really
00:30:44.399 --> 00:30:45.990
good about having him as their backup
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:49.269
left backup swing tackle and should. And
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:51.190
then I got Jagger Burton as an eight out
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:54.789
of 10 for the fourth interior guy. Kind
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:56.950
of wish he was starting. I think he
00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:58.549
probably will start at some point this
00:30:58.559 --> 00:30:59.590
year.
00:30:59.600 --> 00:31:01.590
Um he still has a little bit of work to
00:31:01.600 --> 00:31:04.950
do. Um but I'm really excited for his
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:06.870
future and I think that he's going to be
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:09.190
a very very good guard for us or maybe a
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:13.190
center for a very long time. So 6.1 out
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.750
of 10 is what I gave this room. Curious
00:31:15.760 --> 00:31:18.470
what you gave him. Okay.
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.909
I mean, so very clearly
00:31:21.919 --> 00:31:24.789
we have talked about the position we're
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:28.149
concerned the most about and this is
00:31:28.159 --> 00:31:29.190
>> which is guard.
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:30.149
>> This is it, right?
00:31:30.159 --> 00:31:32.310
>> And so it's all baked in there.
00:31:32.320 --> 00:31:34.230
>> And
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.029
in a world of firsttime starters, guys
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:38.470
who would have performed, guys who are
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:39.669
switching positions going to it
00:31:39.679 --> 00:31:41.669
full-time, guys who we didn't think were
00:31:41.679 --> 00:31:42.789
going to be starters at the start of the
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:47.990
season doing so. Uh, all of that to say,
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.630
this is a 4 and a half and it might be
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:54.389
generous for me. Um, it's not good.
00:31:54.399 --> 00:31:57.990
>> It's a lot of concerns, man. I just Sean
00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:59.909
Ryan, it looked okay. He's making the
00:31:59.919 --> 00:32:01.350
move full-time. Hopefully, he gets a
00:32:01.360 --> 00:32:03.590
little bit of a boost. Putting a fifth
00:32:03.600 --> 00:32:05.029
round rookie in there to start at one of
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:06.870
your guard spots. I, you know,
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.830
historically not awesome to start with.
00:32:09.840 --> 00:32:13.029
Um, man, Zebot coming back from injury
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:15.750
in an injury that's just very shaky. And
00:32:15.760 --> 00:32:16.070
I
00:32:16.080 --> 00:32:17.909
>> I didn't ding him for the injury. And
00:32:17.919 --> 00:32:19.029
maybe I really should have
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.190
>> cuz I just I wonder because of the knee.
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.350
Again, a guy who to me when it comes to
00:32:23.360 --> 00:32:25.190
pass protection, the one thing that he
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.590
struggles with is the big burly guys who
00:32:27.600 --> 00:32:30.310
can run through his face and he just
00:32:30.320 --> 00:32:31.669
doesn't anchor very well against that.
00:32:31.679 --> 00:32:33.190
He can get blown off the ball with that
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:35.830
strength. And so with the knee, it's
00:32:35.840 --> 00:32:38.470
going to take more uh you know, it's
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:39.669
just going to be putting more pressure
00:32:39.679 --> 00:32:42.310
on that knee on every rep of like that
00:32:42.320 --> 00:32:44.389
and pass protection just really
00:32:44.399 --> 00:32:46.630
concerned about that. Again, Jordan
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:49.029
Morgan first time starter. This is like
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:50.549
he they were trying to cross train at
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:51.909
guard. I know he's probably feels more
00:32:51.919 --> 00:32:54.310
comfortable at left tackle, but
00:32:54.320 --> 00:32:56.149
ultimately
00:32:56.159 --> 00:32:57.590
didn't win the job. And I know they were
00:32:57.600 --> 00:32:59.990
trying to do trying to give him, you
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:01.350
know, they they're trying to do their
00:33:01.360 --> 00:33:03.029
best to find a spot for him and do the
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:04.470
best five thing that they often do when
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.310
they draft tackles, no matter what.
00:33:06.320 --> 00:33:08.789
Obviously, Sean Ryan's a great example
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.830
of that, but it just feels like
00:33:11.840 --> 00:33:13.750
with with him, he's getting his first
00:33:13.760 --> 00:33:16.630
reps at left tackle. It could go well. I
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:19.110
could be underelling how Morgan does,
00:33:19.120 --> 00:33:21.509
but I'm a little concerned. Banks didn't
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.669
play well last year and I just don't
00:33:23.679 --> 00:33:27.590
know if Belton can be good anywhere. I I
00:33:27.600 --> 00:33:29.190
think that I think to me like the
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.549
biggest X factor in this room
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.590
might be John Williams
00:33:35.600 --> 00:33:37.590
going into this season and like that's
00:33:37.600 --> 00:33:39.750
and to me again Monk just a guy who I
00:33:39.760 --> 00:33:41.669
don't undersized like I just don't do
00:33:41.679 --> 00:33:43.830
you think you play guard I don't know
00:33:43.840 --> 00:33:45.590
there's just so much on this line where
00:33:45.600 --> 00:33:48.310
I'm like I pretty concerned about it.
00:33:48.320 --> 00:33:50.070
This is it's got to be a four and a half
00:33:50.080 --> 00:33:51.669
for me. It's a It's a potential season
00:33:51.679 --> 00:33:54.310
derailer completely. And of any
00:33:54.320 --> 00:33:55.269
position,
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.350
>> if the offensive line was an eight,
00:33:57.360 --> 00:33:58.630
eight and a half as we were sitting
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.789
here, I would not have any concerns
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.389
about the running backs. I'd be like,
00:34:02.399 --> 00:34:04.710
"Oh, well, I think the I think if they
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.509
just are smart and and don't try to do
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:08.790
too much, there's going to be holes
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:10.869
opening all over the place right in the
00:34:10.879 --> 00:34:12.389
run game and and they're going to be
00:34:12.399 --> 00:34:14.149
able to attack downhill, no question, in
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.310
the zone. Stuff would be fine." But and
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:18.389
and again, that's just where it's like,
00:34:18.399 --> 00:34:19.750
you know, tight end needed a boost
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:20.950
because I just didn't feel good about
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:22.629
this offensive line. And I hate to go on
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.470
a rant about this, but like this is it.
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.349
This people is the season derailer over
00:34:27.359 --> 00:34:29.829
any other position because I think when
00:34:29.839 --> 00:34:31.829
Micah comes back, I think corner is
00:34:31.839 --> 00:34:32.950
going to be in a much better place
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:34.710
because the spine of the defense looks a
00:34:34.720 --> 00:34:36.310
lot better, I think, than the year
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:38.149
previous even. and we'll get to those
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.909
positions, but it just feels like if
00:34:39.919 --> 00:34:43.430
anything I if there was a a if the door
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:48.550
caks open at all for them to jump into a
00:34:48.560 --> 00:34:51.669
Super Bowl contention spot,
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:53.030
I just don't think they can do it with
00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:57.670
this O line. And I just it it just kind
00:34:57.680 --> 00:34:59.510
of is what it is. like if if the Rams
00:34:59.520 --> 00:35:02.069
and the Seahawks and a few others just
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.069
kind of
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.069
just give way and there's an opening, I
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:07.109
just don't know if they have enough to
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.430
even go take it with this offensive
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.510
line. And so that's why it has to be
00:35:11.520 --> 00:35:13.030
>> I certainly agree.
00:35:13.040 --> 00:35:13.990
>> It has to be the lowest.
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.470
>> I certainly
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:18.069
So
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:19.829
I certainly agree, but I think that they
00:35:19.839 --> 00:35:23.109
are operating closer to what their floor
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:27.190
is and we've seen their floor a lot. And
00:35:27.200 --> 00:35:29.670
I don't think this is a room that is
00:35:29.680 --> 00:35:32.150
devoid of talent. I think that with
00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:34.870
proper coaching,
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:36.710
there's a way that this offensive line
00:35:36.720 --> 00:35:42.150
could come together and be
00:35:42.160 --> 00:35:44.150
a lot better than it is. And one thing
00:35:44.160 --> 00:35:45.670
they really need to start doing is
00:35:45.680 --> 00:35:47.430
becoming better than the sum of their
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:49.270
parts.
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:50.550
You know, we we certainly think that
00:35:50.560 --> 00:35:53.750
Jordan Morgan has the tools to become a
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:55.990
really good starting left tackle in this
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:57.589
league. physically he should be able to
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.310
do that. We've seen what the peak can
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.710
look like from Zack Bakuble when he's
00:36:02.720 --> 00:36:06.310
healthy. Assume he can get back to that.
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.310
And we're kind of excited about Jagger
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.670
Burton. And they do have a former second
00:36:11.680 --> 00:36:14.150
rounder in Anthony Belton. If if if you
00:36:14.160 --> 00:36:15.910
could find a way to scrape together some
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.870
quality right guard play from those one
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:20.950
of those two guys. I'm just saying
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.589
there's a path to it. I'm not saying I
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:25.349
I'm not going to give them any benefit
00:36:25.359 --> 00:36:26.470
of the doubt because they haven't earned
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:28.950
that at all. this coaching staff. It's
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:31.349
been a a bunch of years since they had
00:36:31.359 --> 00:36:33.270
put together an offensive line that made
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:36.230
me happy. And
00:36:36.240 --> 00:36:39.270
we saw them mismanage and fail to
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.550
develop this offensive line last year
00:36:42.560 --> 00:36:44.230
and get completely held back by
00:36:44.240 --> 00:36:47.190
offensive line and then not do squat to
00:36:47.200 --> 00:36:50.550
upgrade it this off season beyond
00:36:50.560 --> 00:36:52.390
drafting Jagger Burton in the fifth
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.829
round. So, no, they certainly have not
00:36:55.839 --> 00:36:58.310
earned any bene benefit of the doubt.
00:36:58.320 --> 00:36:59.510
>> Yeah.
00:36:59.520 --> 00:37:03.829
>> But I'm not gonna close the door on
00:37:03.839 --> 00:37:05.270
like there there are certainly some
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:07.109
offensive lines in this league where I
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.109
would say you suck and you have no
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:13.270
ability to become great because of a
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.910
complete lack of talent in your room.
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:17.990
And that's not an apt description of
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.910
this room.
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.829
Yeah, I think I Yeah, I I think there
00:37:21.839 --> 00:37:23.589
there's room for growth and and as you
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.349
said, I think a good point is like you
00:37:25.359 --> 00:37:27.030
haven't gone into the season going, "Oh,
00:37:27.040 --> 00:37:28.470
yeah, this offensive line's a world
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.310
beaters. It's this looks really good.
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.510
Like, I'm not worried about this
00:37:31.520 --> 00:37:33.030
relative to other positions, right?" And
00:37:33.040 --> 00:37:35.430
they've made it work. The floor has made
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:37.670
it work. Love's play to avoid sacks has
00:37:37.680 --> 00:37:39.990
made it work, right? like schematically
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.150
and developmentally, they've they've
00:37:42.160 --> 00:37:44.630
cleared a lot of hurdles
00:37:44.640 --> 00:37:46.550
with guys that you don't expect to be st
00:37:46.560 --> 00:37:48.150
like Rasheed Walker jumping in as a
00:37:48.160 --> 00:37:50.310
seventh round pick. No matter how you
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.710
viewed him pre-draft, it it's he he
00:37:52.720 --> 00:37:54.790
found a way to sustain and play well
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.069
enough to start and not hinder the team.
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.310
And so that I I completely agree. They
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.310
moved Jenkins around a bunch and he was
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:04.710
still doing enough to to to help this
00:38:04.720 --> 00:38:07.349
team. So I think but for me again I
00:38:07.359 --> 00:38:10.390
think I I have to stay true to
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:12.069
what I've been saying about other things
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:13.430
right where I' like you know we were
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:14.630
talking about the Vikings earlier this
00:38:14.640 --> 00:38:16.470
offseason like I this is going to be
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:19.190
Flores's toughest test yet for me to
00:38:19.200 --> 00:38:21.829
create like a really good defense and I
00:38:21.839 --> 00:38:23.589
think this is similar to what the with
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:25.270
this offensive line. This is going to be
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:27.750
have to be top to bottom their best work
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:32.390
yet to to make something look really
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.470
cohesive from this unit. So, I think I
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.630
have to kind of be
00:38:36.640 --> 00:38:39.750
make sure I am not hypocritical about
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:41.750
like how I'm evaluating other spots
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.910
versus this in terms of even just
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:45.430
position groups because I feel like
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:46.950
that's how I kind of feel about this
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:48.230
offensive line is how I feel with the
00:38:48.240 --> 00:38:49.910
Vikings defense where it's like
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:51.270
>> it's going to take their best
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.670
performance, coaching development, all
00:38:53.680 --> 00:38:56.790
that stuff to get I think this room to
00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:58.630
be where maybe some people think the
00:38:58.640 --> 00:39:00.310
ceiling is. And I think just the
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.390
trickiest part is I know that like the
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:03.829
fifth round rookie thing has worked
00:39:03.839 --> 00:39:06.790
before. I understand like we're banking
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.790
on this cuz I know Lindsay did it. I
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.190
understand. I get it. But it's just it's
00:39:11.200 --> 00:39:13.910
a lot to even again the sample size
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:15.589
we're kind of going like oh yeah this
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.510
this fifth round rookie can just come in
00:39:17.520 --> 00:39:19.829
and it's be fine. It's like it's it it
00:39:19.839 --> 00:39:22.390
just won't be fine right off the bat,
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:23.910
right? It could be fine in November,
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.950
December, right? But I ultimately think
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:28.950
like this is just I gota got to make
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.190
sure I'm calling balls and strikes the
00:39:31.200 --> 00:39:33.109
way I am the rest around the rest of the
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:34.230
league where it just feels like it's
00:39:34.240 --> 00:39:36.790
going to take their best effort to not
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.589
make this the hindrance
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:44.470
uh for this team as the season goes on.
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.310
>> I think that's I think that's fair. It
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.550
is absolutely fair.
00:39:50.560 --> 00:39:52.630
>> Listen, I'm rooting for Jerger. Abrew
00:39:52.640 --> 00:39:54.790
Belton. Gosh, I hope he makes me look
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.270
like a fool. Gosh, that'd be so good.
00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:58.950
That'd be great. Please make me look
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.150
like an idiot, a boron, an absolute rap
00:40:02.160 --> 00:40:03.990
scallion. Joerger Bert, do the same
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.950
thing. Um Sean Ryan, beat the door down.
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.190
Be a quality starting center. Like just
00:40:09.200 --> 00:40:10.790
just all of these things where I'm just
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.430
like I I'm just unsure. Jordan Morgan,
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.910
flex. Come on, big big guy. Didn't like
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:17.910
the pick at the time. Please make me
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.069
look like just an idiot for even
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.870
speaking on it. I just it's it's the
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.829
concern.
00:40:25.839 --> 00:40:30.870
>> So, one other thing I did was
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:35.670
I assigned weights to each
00:40:35.680 --> 00:40:38.150
room.
00:40:38.160 --> 00:40:41.750
So, quarterback I gave a weight of 10
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.470
out of 10 for importance. Running back I
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.950
gave a weight of 4.5 out of 10 for
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:48.470
importance.
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:52.550
So, taking my room ratings and the room
00:40:52.560 --> 00:40:54.310
weights,
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:56.470
I asked the question, how good do I
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.109
think this offense is? And the number I
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:03.430
came up with for the offense was 7.1 out
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:07.030
of 10, which I was pretty surprised
00:41:07.040 --> 00:41:09.829
because that to me felt a bit like more
00:41:09.839 --> 00:41:12.630
than the sum of its parts. Um, that like
00:41:12.640 --> 00:41:14.150
I was really concerned with the
00:41:14.160 --> 00:41:15.829
offensive line, really concerned with
00:41:15.839 --> 00:41:19.109
running back. But a 7.1 I feel like most
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:21.190
years you would take that if you if you
00:41:21.200 --> 00:41:23.589
said like
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:25.510
hey you know you you maybe you don't
00:41:25.520 --> 00:41:27.270
know what the defense is going to be but
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:29.430
would you be okay with a 7.1 out of 10
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.829
for your overall offense? I think you
00:41:31.839 --> 00:41:34.150
would you take your chance with that a
00:41:34.160 --> 00:41:38.230
lot of years. Um, and certainly
00:41:38.240 --> 00:41:40.230
with questions that we've had throughout
00:41:40.240 --> 00:41:42.950
this off season, I think arriving at a
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:46.390
7.1 at this point in the year, that's
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.069
higher than I would have expected it to
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:51.670
be. Certainly, even
00:41:51.680 --> 00:41:55.510
a month ago.
00:41:55.520 --> 00:41:58.150
Yeah, I think the offense is probably
00:41:58.160 --> 00:42:00.069
going to land somewhere in that 8 to 12
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.150
range this season where again, as you
00:42:04.160 --> 00:42:07.270
said, kind of some of its parts love and
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.470
and laflur obviously technically being
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.390
an ingredient in the offense that we we
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.589
obviously didn't really rank, but like I
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:18.069
think all of that is still kind of in a
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:20.470
way you you always look sometimes some
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.270
years obviously they've they've you know
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:25.670
absolutely got out and and sprinted like
00:42:25.680 --> 00:42:28.950
the 49ers have gone nuclear on offense,
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:30.230
but there are years where it's like
00:42:30.240 --> 00:42:31.829
patchwork, patchwork, patchwork, and
00:42:31.839 --> 00:42:33.829
they still get it done. Like I think
00:42:33.839 --> 00:42:36.710
Green Bay can still do that, right? In
00:42:36.720 --> 00:42:38.390
terms of when you look at a full regular
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:39.589
season,
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:41.190
>> but again, just a question of like when
00:42:41.200 --> 00:42:43.829
you separate the the sum
00:42:43.839 --> 00:42:46.309
like in in the postseason,
00:42:46.319 --> 00:42:49.750
they're just I think going to be cracks.
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:51.349
So,
00:42:51.359 --> 00:42:54.470
>> we'll flip it over to defense
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:56.790
and uh and see how the defense stacked
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.990
up. Before we do that, just close your
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.870
eyes for a second and and imagine to
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.270
yourself, would you expect to see the
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.230
offense or the defense end up rated
00:43:08.240 --> 00:43:09.349
higher?
00:43:09.359 --> 00:43:13.589
>> Oh, man.
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.710
I think I think I think it's going to be
00:43:16.720 --> 00:43:17.910
the reason I'm saying it's going to be
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:18.870
defense. I think people are going to
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:21.109
factor in Micah right off the bat.
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:21.910
>> Okay.
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:22.150
>> Y
00:43:22.160 --> 00:43:24.390
>> I think they're going to factor in the
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:26.069
perceived upgrades along the defensive
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:27.990
tackle room and the emergence of others
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.230
to make to kind of create depth. They're
00:43:30.240 --> 00:43:31.829
going to take into account that DDS had
00:43:31.839 --> 00:43:33.349
a sack in the preseason game even though
00:43:33.359 --> 00:43:34.550
it was a missed assignment by the
00:43:34.560 --> 00:43:36.069
Cardinals.
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:37.190
They're going to take they're going to
00:43:37.200 --> 00:43:38.309
take solace of the fact that Brandon
00:43:38.319 --> 00:43:40.150
Cece is kind of one of the defenders
00:43:40.160 --> 00:43:42.230
everybody's hyping up in camp and we
00:43:42.240 --> 00:43:43.829
know how good the linebacker and safety
00:43:43.839 --> 00:43:45.910
rooms can be. Just feels like all of
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.030
that together makes me feel like just
00:43:49.040 --> 00:43:51.430
based on running back and offensive line
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:53.589
that I that I would imagine defense gets
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:55.990
a gets a a higher number.
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:56.470
>> Okay.
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:57.109
>> Logically.
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:57.750
>> All right.
00:43:57.760 --> 00:43:59.670
>> But we'll see. Obviously, again, the
00:43:59.680 --> 00:44:01.109
defense, what do they not have right
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:02.470
away? They don't have Micah right away.
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:04.230
If people are waiting love, Laflur,
00:44:04.240 --> 00:44:06.470
Craft as part of the offense, then I
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.550
understand where and and the trio,
00:44:08.560 --> 00:44:10.150
right? Like I understand where you could
00:44:10.160 --> 00:44:12.390
maybe go that way. But like for me just
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:14.069
kind of hashing it out like it just it
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.390
feels like
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.030
it would be defense. But can't wait to
00:44:19.040 --> 00:44:20.550
find out.
00:44:20.560 --> 00:44:21.109
>> All right.
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:21.910
>> Can't wait to find out.
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:23.910
>> Well, let's talk about the defense. Um
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.589
why don't you take defensive line first?
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.390
This is the interior defenders. This is
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.829
only the the DTackles, nose tackles.
00:44:33.839 --> 00:44:36.630
>> Okay.
00:44:36.640 --> 00:44:38.950
Okay. So,
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.829
this one for me
00:44:41.839 --> 00:44:47.589
is going to end up as a 6.75.
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:50.550
And I think really the biggest the
00:44:50.560 --> 00:44:53.430
biggest reason it's taking a hit for me
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.069
is because we haven't seen healthy
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:57.990
Wyatt. If it's healthy Wyatt and we
00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:59.910
could guarantee health from Wyatt, I
00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:03.589
think this jumps maybe 75, go up to a
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.150
seven and a half. I think healthy Wyatt
00:45:06.160 --> 00:45:10.390
is is that valuable to this defense. Uh
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:12.630
again, I think Hargrave and Mlen are
00:45:12.640 --> 00:45:14.470
giving you some sort of like floor
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.470
without a lot of ceiling, right? I don't
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.950
think like again, and this could be
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:20.150
wrong as well. I don't think Chris
00:45:20.160 --> 00:45:21.750
Mlen's we're going to wake up in two
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.270
years, you know, going into year three
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:24.630
and like Chris McClullen's one of the,
00:45:24.640 --> 00:45:27.750
you know, 12, 13 best defensive tackles
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:29.190
in the entire league. Like that would be
00:45:29.200 --> 00:45:31.349
kind of shocking. But like a floor
00:45:31.359 --> 00:45:33.829
player who can who can compete on all
00:45:33.839 --> 00:45:36.790
three downs is like solid. We we'll take
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.270
it. Right. Brinsen is another one
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.349
interesting, right? We another one
00:45:41.359 --> 00:45:42.950
that's got to deal with injury. So it's
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.190
like you get, you know, those kind of
00:45:45.200 --> 00:45:46.710
baked in for the Georgia boys. Carl
00:45:46.720 --> 00:45:49.030
Brooks again, we just
00:45:49.040 --> 00:45:51.589
we can't break through the door. We
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:53.270
cannot break the door down. I want him
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:56.550
to break the door down so bad. Uh but he
00:45:56.560 --> 00:45:58.390
hasn't done it. So, I think like 675
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:00.950
feels I think decently reasonable. I
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.589
Yeah. And I I don't think it's
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:04.710
>> again it's not gonna be the biggest
00:46:04.720 --> 00:46:06.870
hindrance on this team. I don't think I
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.750
think it's it's
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.069
>> assuming health. It's
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:13.910
it could be a unit that's much much
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:15.750
improved. Even even the fact that they
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.430
got, you know, really impressive snaps
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.349
last year from from Kobe Wooden moving a
00:46:21.359 --> 00:46:22.950
nose tackle. He obviously even make the
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:26.630
Colts team. So, you know, it a testament
00:46:26.640 --> 00:46:27.990
to some of the coaching staff and they
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:31.030
they have I think a better unit this
00:46:31.040 --> 00:46:33.270
year.
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:37.670
>> 675 from you. I went 7.4.
00:46:37.680 --> 00:46:38.230
>> Okay.
00:46:38.240 --> 00:46:39.990
>> And I'm I'm kind of wondering where our
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:41.589
biggest differences are. I think the
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.710
biggest thing for me was that kind of
00:46:44.720 --> 00:46:46.710
adjusting for the role they're going to
00:46:46.720 --> 00:46:47.510
play.
00:46:47.520 --> 00:46:47.910
>> Sure.
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:52.230
>> I rated everybody kind of similarly. I
00:46:52.240 --> 00:46:54.390
gave Dvonte White an eight out of 10.
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:57.510
>> I really want him to be that dude
00:46:57.520 --> 00:46:59.190
>> for DT1.
00:46:59.200 --> 00:47:01.270
>> Whoa. Okay,
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:03.510
gave DT tackle an eight. If everybody's
00:47:03.520 --> 00:47:06.630
on that optimistic side, I can't imagine
00:47:06.640 --> 00:47:09.670
defense isn't higher as an aggregate.
00:47:09.680 --> 00:47:12.150
>> So, defense defense got 7.1 from the
00:47:12.160 --> 00:47:14.790
fans. What did you say yours was? 675.
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.589
>> Yeah, defensive attack got seven. Okay.
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:19.670
>> Yeah. So, I'm at 7.4. So, I'm higher
00:47:19.680 --> 00:47:21.430
than the fans are. The fans are 7.1.
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:25.270
You're 675. So, our average is 7.1.
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:26.950
>> I think that's a pretty solid number. I
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:28.710
thought about seven as well. I I was in
00:47:28.720 --> 00:47:30.309
between the two when I was when
00:47:30.319 --> 00:47:31.829
>> about six seven.
00:47:31.839 --> 00:47:35.510
>> Yes. In that range indeed.
00:47:35.520 --> 00:47:38.230
>> So, I I went uh eight out of 10 for
00:47:38.240 --> 00:47:40.550
Devonte Wyatt.
00:47:40.560 --> 00:47:41.349
I went
00:47:41.359 --> 00:47:43.670
>> the mods our moderators are going eight
00:47:43.680 --> 00:47:47.030
for both them defensive tackle. Wow.
00:47:47.040 --> 00:47:49.109
>> You see Adam Huddle in here.
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.950
>> Wow. I went for Jayvon Harrave as DT2. I
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:57.270
went seven, but it's a nervous seven
00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:59.990
because last year wasn't amazing for us.
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:03.109
We got 67 jewels from tool over this
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:04.630
>> perfect
00:48:04.640 --> 00:48:07.270
>> and
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.829
and I'm I'm I'm I He seems like he's
00:48:09.839 --> 00:48:11.750
fully healthy and has plenty of juice in
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:13.589
the tank for this year, but also at his
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:14.870
age, I just wonder a little bit. So, I'm
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:16.790
giving him a seven, but it's a nervous
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.309
seven that maybe this is going to age
00:48:18.319 --> 00:48:21.270
poorly and make me look silly. For Chris
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:25.190
Mlen as a defensive tackle three, and
00:48:25.200 --> 00:48:26.390
again, maybe this is a little too
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:29.270
optimistic. I gave him an eight out of
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.630
10 for your third DTackle.
00:48:32.640 --> 00:48:35.510
>> That might be too spicy, but I I just I
00:48:35.520 --> 00:48:37.589
think
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.670
I think based on what I saw from him
00:48:39.680 --> 00:48:42.790
this summer, I'm just really excited for
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:43.510
him.
00:48:43.520 --> 00:48:47.270
>> Sure. Now, I gave uh John Ford as our
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.670
starting like nose tackle. I gave him a
00:48:49.680 --> 00:48:53.190
six out of 10, which is high for me from
00:48:53.200 --> 00:48:55.910
John Ford or from me for John Ford
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:57.270
because I've always been a John Ford
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.670
hater. But I think at this point in his
00:48:59.680 --> 00:49:03.750
career, he's rounded into like
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:10.150
a just barely slightly above average
00:49:10.160 --> 00:49:11.430
big fat guy that you're going to pull
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:14.950
out on the field a couple plays a game.
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:17.030
I'm not giving him a lot of weight to
00:49:17.040 --> 00:49:19.109
the overall room, but for what he's
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:20.630
going to do, I think he'll be okay
00:49:20.640 --> 00:49:24.390
because if nothing else, he can be fat.
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:26.710
>> Sure. Carl Brooks as our fourth
00:49:26.720 --> 00:49:29.109
defensive tackle. I'm giving a seven out
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:31.510
of 10. Maybe that's too spicy, but you
00:49:31.520 --> 00:49:33.109
know, I've always loved me some Carl
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.470
Brooks, and I just It seems like he's
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.549
ready to
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:39.349
turn on.
00:49:39.359 --> 00:49:41.190
>> Brooks says, "I ignored injury history."
00:49:41.200 --> 00:49:43.030
That's fair.
00:49:43.040 --> 00:49:45.349
Fair enough.
00:49:45.359 --> 00:49:46.950
>> And then Mlullen's going to rise up the
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.910
dep chart quick.
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.870
>> Defensive tackle five, Warren Brinen. I
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:54.630
think he might climb this depth chart,
00:49:54.640 --> 00:49:57.270
too. I I think Warren Brinson looked
00:49:57.280 --> 00:49:59.990
really good this summer, and I'm curious
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.750
to see once he's healthy. Yeah.
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:03.910
>> If that can translate into the season.
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:07.430
So, I gave this room a 7.4, which is the
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:09.670
highest rating out of out of our three
00:50:09.680 --> 00:50:11.190
judges.
00:50:11.200 --> 00:50:12.870
>> Um, all right. I just want to I just
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:14.549
want to quick because I was I was as we
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:15.750
were doing this, I was also going
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:20.549
through defensive tackle trios and um
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.470
what what do we call? Barberhop quartets
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.589
I guess as well. Uh
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:28.470
um just to see like this is just kind of
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:29.990
I think this is an interesting one like
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:31.670
which defensive tackle room would you
00:50:31.680 --> 00:50:35.510
rather have? Green Bays or Buffalo's?
00:50:35.520 --> 00:50:38.390
Buffalo is Ed Oliver, Dion Walker, TJ
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.670
Sanders, Dwayne Carter, Greg Gaines,
00:50:41.680 --> 00:50:45.349
Zayn Durant.
00:50:45.359 --> 00:50:49.510
Green Bay. Okay.
00:50:49.520 --> 00:50:52.630
might be one of the only good rooms on
00:50:52.640 --> 00:50:54.390
Buffalo's roster, by the way.
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:56.069
>> Right. I I feel like it's a decently
00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:57.430
close one. Obviously, we're not going to
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:00.150
compare to a certain team out west. Um
00:51:00.160 --> 00:51:03.270
that would be ridiculous. Um I looked at
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.549
that room also. It's it's it's Donald
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.829
Turner, Ford, and Fisk. That's nuts.
00:51:09.839 --> 00:51:12.150
>> Uh the Eagles obviously have Davis,
00:51:12.160 --> 00:51:17.030
Carter, Ojimo, and Ty Robinson.
00:51:17.040 --> 00:51:20.309
>> Pretty good. Yep. Uh, Houston has Kaden
00:51:20.319 --> 00:51:21.589
McDonald,
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:24.470
>> Sheldon Rankins, and Tommy Togei, who I
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:25.990
actually watched some Tommy Togei
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.069
recently. I'm very surprised that they
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:29.829
got they've gotten some good stuff out
00:51:29.839 --> 00:51:32.390
of third or fourth round pick out of out
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:33.349
of
00:51:33.359 --> 00:51:35.109
>> uh the Browns, too, I believe.
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:36.150
>> Yeah. Yep.
00:51:36.160 --> 00:51:36.630
>> So,
00:51:36.640 --> 00:51:38.390
>> Ohio State boy went to went to the
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:41.030
Browns. Yeah.
00:51:41.040 --> 00:51:42.549
>> Yeah. So, I think there are rooms like
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:43.750
Pittsburgh's where it's like they
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:46.150
probably don't quite get to the level of
00:51:46.160 --> 00:51:48.470
like that room. Pittsburgh, Eagles,
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.390
Rams, but like
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.150
>> and again Seattle's Seattle and Denver
00:51:52.160 --> 00:51:53.670
have one-two punches that make it
00:51:53.680 --> 00:51:56.150
difficult to to
00:51:56.160 --> 00:51:57.829
>> reach their room, but like again would
00:51:57.839 --> 00:52:00.390
you rather have this unit or like Derek
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:03.750
Brown, Lee Hunter, Bobby Brown, Tershan
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:06.150
Wharton right in Carolina,
00:52:06.160 --> 00:52:07.750
>> right?
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:09.510
>> Maybe Derrick Brown's technically the
00:52:09.520 --> 00:52:12.950
best of those players, but I don't know,
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:14.790
you know, how you know Lee Hunter hasn't
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:16.470
played. Obviously, Mlullen hasn't
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:19.030
either. Probably decently comparable.
00:52:19.040 --> 00:52:20.549
So, like there there are some ones like
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.069
Carolina,
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:24.790
um Minnesota has rookies and Buffalo I
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:25.829
thought was a really good measuring
00:52:25.839 --> 00:52:27.270
stick for like, okay, where do you see
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:29.270
this this this room?
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:30.790
>> I wouldn't have thought of them, but I'm
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:32.230
glad that you did.
00:52:32.240 --> 00:52:33.829
>> Which one? Buffalo.
00:52:33.839 --> 00:52:34.630
>> Buffalo.
00:52:34.640 --> 00:52:36.950
>> Yeah, it seems like that's like a a
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:38.790
decent compare. Obviously, Detroit,
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:39.990
again, I'm going through a bunch of
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:41.750
them, but I'm trying to think. Detroit
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.190
might have your heart a little bit,
00:52:43.200 --> 00:52:45.990
right? McNeel, Tyl Williams, Onus Rick,
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:49.589
and your boy Skyler Del Howard.
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:51.670
>> Yeah, maybe a little bit. I don't know.
00:52:51.680 --> 00:52:54.230
That's maybe another close one.
00:52:54.240 --> 00:52:56.390
>> McNeel definitely carries that. It's
00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:58.870
It's kind of mostly carried by McNeel
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.430
and SGH.
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.109
>> I probably would rather have Green Bay,
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:04.710
but that's not bad. Yeah,
00:53:04.720 --> 00:53:05.829
>> it's not bad at all.
00:53:05.839 --> 00:53:08.309
>> Uh the Niners have CJ West, Alfred
00:53:08.319 --> 00:53:10.630
Collins, Osa Diggizua, and Grayson
00:53:10.640 --> 00:53:12.630
Halton.
00:53:12.640 --> 00:53:14.470
Yeah, it's kind of nice. Hate it.
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:18.150
>> Unfortunately, it's kind of nice. Um,
00:53:18.160 --> 00:53:19.829
>> so especially with the first two on this
00:53:19.839 --> 00:53:21.589
list don't have to do anything involving
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:23.190
rushing the passer. They just need to
00:53:23.200 --> 00:53:27.030
eat space. So there. Yeah. Again, I for
00:53:27.040 --> 00:53:28.309
those listeners who are like, why you
00:53:28.319 --> 00:53:29.910
keep going down the list? Please move
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:32.230
positions. I just want to I I just it's
00:53:32.240 --> 00:53:34.150
always curious now when you're going
00:53:34.160 --> 00:53:35.670
through this, everybody's rosters are
00:53:35.680 --> 00:53:37.750
set of like, all right, how do they
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:42.390
measure up around the league?
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.230
7.1 seems seems like a solid spot to be.
00:53:46.240 --> 00:53:50.069
>> Fuel is trying to dunk on uh on Ohio.
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:51.910
You don't know it's the birthplace of
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.870
presidents. It's an excellent state.
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:56.870
>> Hey, they always say after Ohio, so goes
00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:58.710
the nation. So, I mean, it can't be, you
00:53:58.720 --> 00:53:59.510
know,
00:53:59.520 --> 00:54:01.109
>> can't be that bad state. You know, it's
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:01.510
true.
00:54:01.520 --> 00:54:03.750
>> I'm saying
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:08.390
the best defensive tackle in the north.
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:10.069
Detroit.
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:14.309
>> Detroit's is close.
00:54:14.319 --> 00:54:14.710
>> Definitely.
00:54:14.720 --> 00:54:17.750
>> Obviously, obviously Chicago, we know.
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:19.750
>> We're well aware of Chicago's
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:21.349
>> Chicago.
00:54:21.359 --> 00:54:23.670
>> Chicago is hilarious. Minnesota's is
00:54:23.680 --> 00:54:26.230
rookie
00:54:26.240 --> 00:54:28.309
heavy.
00:54:28.319 --> 00:54:30.470
>> So, I'm I'm gonna switch over to
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.309
defensive end between Green Bay and
00:54:32.319 --> 00:54:34.549
Detroit for sure. So,
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:36.870
>> I'm going to switch to defensive end.
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:37.349
Let's
00:54:37.359 --> 00:54:40.710
>> I went 6.2 on this.
00:54:40.720 --> 00:54:41.270
>> Okay.
00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:46.230
>> Um and I was going a little optimistic
00:54:46.240 --> 00:54:48.390
on a couple of these.
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:49.910
>> This is without Micah
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:50.549
>> or is this
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:52.230
>> this is without Micah? This is without
00:54:52.240 --> 00:54:53.589
Micah. Obviously, it changes once
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:54.390
Micah's back.
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:55.829
>> Sure. Sure.
00:54:55.839 --> 00:55:00.309
>> So, Van Ness as the end one I gave an
00:55:00.319 --> 00:55:01.829
eight out of 10.
00:55:01.839 --> 00:55:03.829
>> Okay.
00:55:03.839 --> 00:55:06.150
I feel pretty confident in that. Baron
00:55:06.160 --> 00:55:10.790
Serell as DN2. I gave a five out of 10.
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.190
I'm I need I need to see it from him.
00:55:13.200 --> 00:55:14.950
And I gave him a five, but I that
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:16.470
there's a there's some optimism baked
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:17.190
into that of
00:55:17.200 --> 00:55:18.069
>> for sure
00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:20.790
>> the coaches really think he's got it.
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.870
So, I got I I I'm going to trust them
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:27.829
and and hopefully he does have it. DDS
00:55:27.839 --> 00:55:30.150
as DN3.
00:55:30.160 --> 00:55:32.710
I think I have more
00:55:32.720 --> 00:55:34.870
long-term optimism about him than I do
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:39.750
Sell. But with him missing the first two
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:41.109
preseason games, and I didn't even
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.430
really get to get eyeballs on him, I
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:44.950
couldn't in good conscience go higher
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:48.549
than a four out of 10 for DN3.
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:51.589
a bigger body of of evidence of what he
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:54.630
can be against NFL defenders or NFL um
00:55:54.640 --> 00:55:56.710
offensive lineman
00:55:56.720 --> 00:55:59.990
would go a long way for me. But we knew
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:03.270
he was raw and developmental
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:05.670
coming in. Truthfully, I'm not sure he's
00:56:05.680 --> 00:56:09.829
our DN3. I think it I I I would maybe
00:56:09.839 --> 00:56:11.270
feel better about Britain Cox as our
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.309
DN3. And frankly, I probably would rate
00:56:14.319 --> 00:56:19.510
Bretton Cox higher as a DN3 than DDS.
00:56:19.520 --> 00:56:22.309
as it is. Brenton Cox as a DM4 and I I I
00:56:22.319 --> 00:56:24.950
actually I gave DN3 and four very
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.309
similar weights, but I gave Brenton Cox
00:56:28.319 --> 00:56:31.430
an eight out of 10. I think he's I think
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:34.230
he's pretty darn good for a backup edge
00:56:34.240 --> 00:56:39.190
rusher um who can defend the run.
00:56:39.200 --> 00:56:41.750
So, I came up with a 6.2 overall for the
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:43.990
room. What did you come up with?
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:45.750
>> So, really quick to over this. Oliver is
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:48.069
not on pup. He is on IR designated to
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:49.910
return.
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:54.470
Uh, which is notable. If if Oliver was
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:59.510
in our top four instead of
00:56:59.520 --> 00:57:02.069
they they would have kept five DNS, but
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:03.190
>> yeah,
00:57:03.200 --> 00:57:05.270
>> Oliver would have easily been my fifth
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:06.549
out of those five guys,
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:07.829
>> I think. So,
00:57:07.839 --> 00:57:09.589
>> would not have elevated this room for me
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:10.549
at all.
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:13.430
>> No. Uh, you said 6.2.
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:14.390
>> 6'2. Yeah,
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:17.910
>> I have 6.25. 25 as it currently stands.
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:19.990
So very close on that one.
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.190
>> What would it be with Micah in it?
00:57:23.200 --> 00:57:24.870
>> Just interested.
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:26.630
>> Well, I here I can adjust this. I'm
00:57:26.640 --> 00:57:31.670
going to go let's say uh we'll say
00:57:31.680 --> 00:57:35.190
10 for Micah. So Vaness as your two. I'm
00:57:35.200 --> 00:57:37.670
going to go
00:57:37.680 --> 00:57:39.670
nine.
00:57:39.680 --> 00:57:44.309
So that would make Sell your three.
00:57:44.319 --> 00:57:49.990
I'm still gonna go like a
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:53.829
five for your three.
00:57:53.839 --> 00:57:55.670
It feels wrong saying he's a five for
00:57:55.680 --> 00:57:58.549
your two and also a five for your three.
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:00.230
>> So maybe for that reason I should go a
00:58:00.240 --> 00:58:02.230
six for your three. Maybe.
00:58:02.240 --> 00:58:03.990
>> What the heck? I'll make Brentton Cox be
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:05.910
the four.
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:06.630
>> That's
00:58:06.640 --> 00:58:10.390
>> and DDS as the five. DDS as the five.
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:11.670
I'm going to go like a seven.
00:58:11.680 --> 00:58:14.549
>> That's pretty good, too. So at that
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:16.710
point
00:58:16.720 --> 00:58:18.870
that means that we got a 8.6 when
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:20.309
Micah's back.
00:58:20.319 --> 00:58:22.789
>> Okay. I give I gave it a three-point
00:58:22.799 --> 00:58:26.150
bump. I put a 9.25 ahead of everything
00:58:26.160 --> 00:58:28.309
else simply because you were adding one
00:58:28.319 --> 00:58:30.710
of the best three edge rushers best five
00:58:30.720 --> 00:58:32.549
defensive players in the entire league
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:36.630
back to the room. And that's
00:58:36.640 --> 00:58:38.549
that's a massive deal no matter what.
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:42.390
That's again it's it's it's honestly you
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:46.630
know it feels like
00:58:46.640 --> 00:58:49.109
it feels Micah Micah coming back to this
00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:51.109
pastor's room is basically Thor arriving
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.990
at Wakanda in Infinity War. That's
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:56.390
basically what it is. Okay, that's
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:58.390
basically what this is. When he gets
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.789
back play the clips, everybody play the
00:59:00.799 --> 00:59:03.670
clips. That's exactly what this is. So
00:59:03.680 --> 00:59:07.190
he he is just that good even off injury.
00:59:07.200 --> 00:59:09.270
I know I'm giving him less of an injury
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:10.390
designation. I have pretty much
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:11.910
everybody else, but I mean,
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:12.950
>> right,
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:15.270
>> I I didn't really give Tucker Craft one
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:16.710
either. I think those two are kind of
00:59:16.720 --> 00:59:18.870
super humans relative to, you know,
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:20.150
>> kind of the rest of the league. You
00:59:20.160 --> 00:59:21.510
know, they're in that tier of just guys
00:59:21.520 --> 00:59:23.190
I would expect to to make that happen,
00:59:23.200 --> 00:59:25.030
the Adrien Peterson tier.
00:59:25.040 --> 00:59:28.950
>> So, yeah, I I just I'm excited for this
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:32.069
room when Micah gets back. But yes, I I
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:35.670
agree that I'm less I have them lower
00:59:35.680 --> 00:59:38.150
than the defensive tackle room as it
00:59:38.160 --> 00:59:42.630
stands currently because I do think
00:59:42.640 --> 00:59:44.069
there's probably just again more
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.630
optimism there and you're it's
00:59:46.640 --> 00:59:48.390
>> we have
00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:49.670
transaction by the way just
00:59:49.680 --> 00:59:51.910
>> thank goodness of the schedule. Uh thank
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:53.190
goodness for the schedule to open the
00:59:53.200 --> 00:59:55.030
season because I think it's going to be
00:59:55.040 --> 00:59:58.470
helpful. Wow. I do think actually
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:00.150
sneaky little match up week two for the
01:00:00.160 --> 01:00:02.549
edge room.
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:04.950
Sneaky little matchup. Fashion hasn't
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:08.150
been quite the guy at left tackle, but
01:00:08.160 --> 01:00:09.829
who if he gets the year three bump, he
01:00:09.839 --> 01:00:11.270
might be even a better matchup. But
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:14.549
Membu for whoever lines up on his side.
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:16.950
That's that could be some heavyweight
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:18.390
stuff. And if you're getting wins
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:20.710
against him, probably the best young
01:00:20.720 --> 01:00:23.829
right tackle in the sport right now,
01:00:23.839 --> 01:00:27.990
it's great news for down the stretch. So
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:29.030
that's
01:00:29.040 --> 01:00:31.270
>> also good. This is also good. By the
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:32.230
way,
01:00:32.240 --> 01:00:36.069
>> we have a transaction. The Packers are
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.069
ressigning
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:40.150
>> kicker Lenny
01:00:40.160 --> 01:00:43.030
to the practice squad. Interesting. Uh
01:00:43.040 --> 01:00:46.390
he's going to be he will undoubtedly be
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:49.670
the IP guy because he was born in
01:00:49.680 --> 01:00:54.150
Germany. Um so that's interesting that
01:00:54.160 --> 01:00:56.150
we are going to go ahead and roster that
01:00:56.160 --> 01:00:57.990
second kicker. So that we if you're
01:00:58.000 --> 01:00:59.910
keeping track we still have two practice
01:00:59.920 --> 01:01:02.950
squad spots left that we can fill.
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:05.109
And I wanted to address uh who was it?
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:06.870
Somebody said yeah Bungie said you
01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:08.789
really don't like Sell. I just never
01:01:08.799 --> 01:01:12.230
seen anything from him. You know, heel
01:01:12.240 --> 01:01:13.030
is the
01:01:13.040 --> 01:01:14.069
>> I don't know what you could be basing
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:15.750
optimism off of.
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:16.390
>> Sell is the
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:17.750
>> or not optimism, but confidence. What
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:20.150
could you be basing confidence off of?
01:01:20.160 --> 01:01:22.069
>> I just I just think he was extremely
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.710
volatile as a prospect. There was there
01:01:24.720 --> 01:01:26.390
was just a lot I think I agree with a
01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:29.430
lot of people of like
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:32.630
he he can be a second round talent at
01:01:32.640 --> 01:01:34.870
times and he can disappear other times
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:36.309
and that's why he lands in the fourth
01:01:36.319 --> 01:01:39.750
round in a draft. That's Brentton Cox as
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:40.390
well,
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:44.069
>> right? And so it just
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:46.470
it it's you you you you should see more
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:49.270
from a guy who I think was kind of more
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:51.109
touted as this guy who can reach like
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:54.150
high-end ceilings at times and and
01:01:54.160 --> 01:01:57.030
you know I think again there was a I
01:01:57.040 --> 01:01:59.430
think John Leyard put pointed this out
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:02.069
of like there was a range I think maybe
01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:03.990
starting with the Serell pick or just
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:05.829
before it one edge rusher before where
01:02:05.839 --> 01:02:07.190
there's a group of like five edge
01:02:07.200 --> 01:02:10.789
rushers from Sell or one before Sel to
01:02:10.799 --> 01:02:14.390
like Q Robinson, Canard, all of this and
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:15.829
just saying like this is going to be an
01:02:15.839 --> 01:02:18.789
interesting group to monitor as we go
01:02:18.799 --> 01:02:22.789
through season by season. Um I can see
01:02:22.799 --> 01:02:25.670
if I can quickly bring it up, but like
01:02:25.680 --> 01:02:27.589
just the fact that like Q Robinson's
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:29.910
going to get a big
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:33.990
um a bigger role this year for Denver, I
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:35.910
think just makes it that more that much
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:37.349
more interesting. I'm trying to bring it
01:02:37.359 --> 01:02:39.829
up here. I'm stalling. I'm stalling.
01:02:39.839 --> 01:02:42.150
Would you would you rather
01:02:42.160 --> 01:02:43.910
>> Oh, here we go. Okay.
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:45.910
>> Well, h how how much would it move the
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:51.109
needle for you if uh let's say um week
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:53.190
two, for whatever reason, Serell can't
01:02:53.200 --> 01:02:56.069
play and Brenton Cox is your defensive
01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:58.789
end to opposite Vaness. Does that change
01:02:58.799 --> 01:03:00.789
how you feel about that game in the
01:03:00.799 --> 01:03:01.829
slightest? Or or even like
01:03:01.839 --> 01:03:02.630
>> a little bit.
01:03:02.640 --> 01:03:03.910
>> Forget the opponent. Forget the
01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:05.910
opponent. But the the point just being
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:06.390
>> Yeah.
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.470
>> Serell versus Cox. I'm not sure it
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:09.990
changes much for me. I don't think it
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:10.789
changes as much.
01:03:10.799 --> 01:03:12.230
>> That's both a reflection of how I feel
01:03:12.240 --> 01:03:14.390
about Surell and how I feel about Cox.
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:14.710
>> Yeah,
01:03:14.720 --> 01:03:19.430
>> I like Cox a lot.
01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:19.829
>> Um,
01:03:19.839 --> 01:03:21.510
>> as it was coming out my mouth. As it was
01:03:21.520 --> 01:03:22.390
coming out my mouth.
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:25.990
>> Anyway, uh, the grouping I was the
01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:28.390
grouping I was talking about was uh, it
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:29.829
started with David Walker going to
01:03:29.839 --> 01:03:32.549
Tampa, then Jack Sawyer, Baron Sell,
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:34.390
Kyle Canard, and finishing with Q
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:36.789
Robinson all in the span of 13
01:03:36.799 --> 01:03:38.390
selections. Yeah,
01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:39.829
>> just a very interesting group to look
01:03:39.839 --> 01:03:40.549
at.
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:41.910
>> Uh, I don't think Canard's done
01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:43.510
anything. I know Sawyer's got a lot of
01:03:43.520 --> 01:03:45.510
fans. Walker had a nice little
01:03:45.520 --> 01:03:45.910
preseason.
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:47.270
>> I like Sawyer a lot.
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:50.710
>> Um, and Q Robinson had a nice preseason
01:03:50.720 --> 01:03:54.069
as well. So, just again fascinating
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:55.589
group to watch. Just like who's winning
01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:58.470
in the margins in the draft.
01:03:58.480 --> 01:03:59.190
It's really
01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:02.789
>> I can you compete with with Jason Light?
01:04:02.799 --> 01:04:05.589
Can you compete? you know,
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:07.430
he had first crack obviously, so it's,
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:11.589
you know, it's a little unfair, but
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:14.789
it is what it is.
01:04:14.799 --> 01:04:18.230
We're going to do linebacker next. Uh,
01:04:18.240 --> 01:04:20.710
so this is going to be you first, and
01:04:20.720 --> 01:04:23.750
I'm nervous about where I'm going to
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:25.910
rank among the
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:26.710
>> Sure.
01:04:26.720 --> 01:04:29.349
>> voters on linebacker.
01:04:29.359 --> 01:04:31.750
>> Okay. I'm gonna duck.
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:33.349
>> Okay.
01:04:33.359 --> 01:04:34.789
linebacker for do you think do you have
01:04:34.799 --> 01:04:36.950
a do you have a guess where I have
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:37.750
linebacker?
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:40.549
>> I'm gonna guess that you have Edin
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:43.029
really high and Zire really low and
01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:44.549
you're going to average somewhere at
01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:48.230
like a 6.5 or a seven.
01:04:48.240 --> 01:04:51.109
>> It is a seven for me. Uh I think
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:52.470
Franklin's a little probably a little
01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:53.829
bit higher than you think I think
01:04:53.839 --> 01:04:56.630
Franklin is. Did I say that right? Yes.
01:04:56.640 --> 01:04:58.710
He is higher than you think I Yeah. I
01:04:58.720 --> 01:05:00.309
think I feel better about Franklin than
01:05:00.319 --> 01:05:01.750
>> What do you think? I think you think
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:03.589
Franklin is because I don't know what I
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:05.029
think you think I think.
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:06.549
>> I actually thought you thought I thought
01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:09.109
Franklin was fine, but maybe you thought
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:11.029
I thought Franklin was not fine.
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:12.150
>> That's not where I thought you were
01:05:12.160 --> 01:05:13.349
going to go with this. I thought you
01:05:13.359 --> 01:05:14.549
were going to
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:15.589
>> This interesting.
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.109
>> So, yeah. So far, it's the highest
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:19.990
number on the board for me defensively.
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:22.230
Uh simply because I think Cooper is
01:05:22.240 --> 01:05:24.230
going to be a superstar this year. I
01:05:24.240 --> 01:05:27.510
think I'm put I'm putting my foot down.
01:05:27.520 --> 01:05:30.150
He will be a top five linebacker in this
01:05:30.160 --> 01:05:32.549
entire league by end of season. He'll be
01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:36.230
recognized as such. Um okay. And I I
01:05:36.240 --> 01:05:38.390
just because I again I and maybe that's
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:40.069
not anything crazy to anybody because
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:41.190
it's kind of like you look around the
01:05:41.200 --> 01:05:42.549
league and you're like ah Rocoan's kind
01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:43.589
of declining. Who's the second
01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:45.990
linebacker? It's probably Zack Bond.
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.150
That's kind of cool, right? Who's after
01:05:48.160 --> 01:05:50.549
Zack Baughn? Maybe Jordan Brooks and and
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:52.069
all that stuff. And so like maybe it's
01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:54.309
it's kind of maybe an easy path for
01:05:54.319 --> 01:05:55.990
everybody to kind of go like after Fred
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:58.230
Warner. It could just be Cooper next
01:05:58.240 --> 01:06:01.750
year when we're doing this this and that
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:03.270
wouldn't be shocking either to be
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:07.349
honest. Um Schwess really good. Shout
01:06:07.359 --> 01:06:09.829
out Cleveland. I I think he's really
01:06:09.839 --> 01:06:11.349
good and he's probably in that ascension
01:06:11.359 --> 01:06:14.309
tier as well. But I just I I think he's
01:06:14.319 --> 01:06:15.750
I think he's going to be just
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:19.190
unbelievable. The last time we saw him,
01:06:19.200 --> 01:06:20.470
he was he was doing everything he
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:21.670
possibly could to stop the Bears in
01:06:21.680 --> 01:06:22.950
their tracks in the wild card game
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:24.549
before he went down with injury and left
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:24.870
the game.
01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:29.270
>> Yeah. He was he was ripping them apart
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:30.549
just deflecting at the line of
01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:33.109
scrimmage, covering a bunch of ground.
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:36.150
Like I just I I was just stunned
01:06:36.160 --> 01:06:37.510
honestly even going back to that game
01:06:37.520 --> 01:06:39.029
and even going back in the season where
01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:42.069
it felt like he wasn't maybe he didn't
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.630
take the leap but I and maybe he didn't.
01:06:44.640 --> 01:06:46.390
It was kind of like the thing I I think
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:48.150
Halfley got a lot of high-end moments
01:06:48.160 --> 01:06:50.870
out of the defense in 24
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:52.710
and people kind of settled in to be rock
01:06:52.720 --> 01:06:53.829
solid the next year and they didn't have
01:06:53.839 --> 01:06:55.029
the high-end moments. people like, "Oh,
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:56.870
they stink." It's like everybody thinks
01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:58.390
McKenna stinks now. Even though he was
01:06:58.400 --> 01:06:59.990
just a window shutter last year instead
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.069
of like picking off all the passes, he
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:03.670
was still really good. He's probably top
01:07:03.680 --> 01:07:05.270
five or six safety of the league.
01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:06.710
>> Uh and I think Cooper was even better
01:07:06.720 --> 01:07:07.990
than he was the rookie just cuz he
01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:09.750
didn't have that, you know, two
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:11.270
interception game against the Seahawks
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:12.549
where he was, you know, they kind of did
01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:14.470
a Flores drop into coverage for him and
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:17.430
they spooked a quarterback who pretty
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:20.789
turnover prone in his career. Like I I
01:07:20.799 --> 01:07:22.069
think Cooper actually did take a step
01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:23.029
forward even though we didn't get the
01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:24.470
highlighter real plays. I think we're
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:25.750
going to get the full package this year.
01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:27.430
I really do. And I think Franklin's a
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.270
really solid option in the middle of
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:31.510
this defense. Clear win by Gudy in the
01:07:31.520 --> 01:07:33.109
trade already. They cut Wooden. The
01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:35.109
Colts did already a win. It's already a
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:37.510
win. So that's a big deal.
01:07:37.520 --> 01:07:38.789
>> It's so funny if we went and picked up
01:07:38.799 --> 01:07:40.870
Wooden again. If we had if we weren't
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:43.029
already keeping seven defensive tackles
01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:44.470
on this roster,
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:46.230
>> I I would consider it.
01:07:46.240 --> 01:07:47.430
>> Yeah. And so like
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:48.789
>> I would have done it for the memes. So,
01:07:48.799 --> 01:07:49.670
I don't know if I would have done it for
01:07:49.680 --> 01:07:50.710
the football, but I would have done it
01:07:50.720 --> 01:07:53.029
for the memes for sure.
01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:53.589
>> And yeah,
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:55.270
>> can we get Can we get Wooden back on the
01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:56.309
practice squad?
01:07:56.319 --> 01:07:57.430
>> Maybe.
01:07:57.440 --> 01:07:58.549
>> Oh, that'd be so funny.
01:07:58.559 --> 01:07:59.670
>> I don't know. I'm trying to think how
01:07:59.680 --> 01:08:01.349
long he's been
01:08:01.359 --> 01:08:03.029
>> in the league.
01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:05.349
>> Well, no pick.
01:08:05.359 --> 01:08:07.750
>> You uh you can put him on there. You
01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:09.670
just have a limited number of guys who
01:08:09.680 --> 01:08:11.589
who can have unlimited experience. You
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:13.829
have six guys with unlimited experience.
01:08:13.839 --> 01:08:15.829
>> Okay. So, he's So, then yeah, he's good.
01:08:15.839 --> 01:08:18.709
He was a 2023 pick, right? So, Do you
01:08:18.719 --> 01:08:20.789
think that we that we win that Bears
01:08:20.799 --> 01:08:22.630
game if Cooper doesn't go down?
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:24.870
>> Yes.
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:26.709
>> Here's here's what I did linebacker
01:08:26.719 --> 01:08:27.189
room.
01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:28.630
>> I think they score less. I know if we
01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:32.229
had a kicker also would I I McDuffy
01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:35.829
solid Hopper fine and Neman special
01:08:35.839 --> 01:08:38.630
teams demon love that can't cover Lovel.
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:40.390
Don't try try to have him cover Loland.
01:08:40.400 --> 01:08:42.229
Uh we've seen that the error of those
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:46.149
ways but good special teamer. So,
01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:50.149
I went 6.5 for linebacker, which is a
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:51.510
little higher than I went for defensive
01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:53.269
end.
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:56.149
I went eight for Edin Cooper. Um, you
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:57.510
know, I've I've just always been a
01:08:57.520 --> 01:08:59.669
little bit of a Cooper doubter, and it's
01:08:59.679 --> 01:09:01.829
I I don't dislike him at all. I want him
01:09:01.839 --> 01:09:05.430
to be really good. So far, I do think he
01:09:05.440 --> 01:09:07.910
has a ton of potential, and I do think
01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:11.590
he's going to get to a 10. I just still
01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:14.390
need to see a bigger body of work from
01:09:14.400 --> 01:09:16.789
him for me to fully trust in him. And
01:09:16.799 --> 01:09:19.430
and a big part of that, a big part of
01:09:19.440 --> 01:09:21.829
that is, and I like the way they're
01:09:21.839 --> 01:09:24.229
doing it, but they are slowly easing him
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:25.829
into bigger and bigger roles and giving
01:09:25.839 --> 01:09:29.110
him more responsibilities. And I just
01:09:29.120 --> 01:09:32.070
I'm holding out until we see him with
01:09:32.080 --> 01:09:34.229
the full weight of the defense on his
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:36.309
shoulders and see he can carry that
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:38.630
before I'm going to be all the way in. I
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:41.110
just feel like I've been burned enough
01:09:41.120 --> 01:09:42.870
times by
01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:43.349
>> sure
01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:46.950
>> seeing guys like Cooper who look
01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:50.870
fantastic when they can just kind of go
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:55.189
freelance next to the guy who has to be
01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:58.070
responsible and gap sound. And so I'm
01:09:58.080 --> 01:10:00.709
glad that we are pairing him with Zire.
01:10:00.719 --> 01:10:03.030
And I think that Zire is a really good
01:10:03.040 --> 01:10:06.149
running mate for him. And I gave Zire a
01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:07.750
six out of 10. And maybe that's too low.
01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:08.950
Maybe I should have gone seven out of
01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:11.750
10, but I I felt like Zire had a pretty
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:14.550
bad year last year, and I just I just
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:16.070
want to see that he still has something
01:10:16.080 --> 01:10:17.590
in the tank, and that it was just a last
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:21.590
year thing. I fully anticipate that this
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:24.070
room being a 6.5
01:10:24.080 --> 01:10:26.790
could rocket up this list for me later
01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:28.149
in the year. Maybe by the middle of the
01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:29.189
year, and certainly by the end of the
01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:31.189
year, I could see this being one of the
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:33.110
highest rated rooms for me on the
01:10:33.120 --> 01:10:35.910
defense for sure. Right now, it's a 6.5.
01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:40.070
I went eight for Edin Cooper as LB1,
01:10:40.080 --> 01:10:44.070
six for Zire as LB2,
01:10:44.080 --> 01:10:47.830
five for McDuffy as LB3, four for Hopper
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:51.830
as LB4. I didn't give um Neman any
01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:53.750
credit as a linebacker, but he's got a
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:57.189
little bit of a boost for special teams.
01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:57.590
>> So,
01:10:57.600 --> 01:10:59.030
>> he saw the coverage, he saw the coverage
01:10:59.040 --> 01:11:00.470
stuff against Lovelin. He said, "No,
01:11:00.480 --> 01:11:01.830
thank you."
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:03.030
That gives our average
01:11:03.040 --> 01:11:05.510
>> calc this exercise
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:08.390
>> a 7.0 which is exactly what you gave
01:11:08.400 --> 01:11:15.590
them. Uh because yeah so linebacker 7.0
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:18.149
>> that's a tick lower than defensive
01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:20.950
tackle and a tick higher than defensive
01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:22.870
end. So if you're keeping score right
01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:26.070
now you know we're averaging out to a
01:11:26.080 --> 01:11:29.189
seven on defense.
01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:33.030
Yeah. Here we get into cornerback.
01:11:33.040 --> 01:11:34.709
I'd like you to make a prediction before
01:11:34.719 --> 01:11:37.750
you start. Make a prediction.
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:39.590
Which of the three judges is going to
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:41.830
give quarterback the lowest rating? You,
01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:43.350
me, or the listeners?
01:11:43.360 --> 01:11:46.070
>> It's not going to be the listeners. Um,
01:11:46.080 --> 01:11:48.229
it's not going to be the listeners. Uh,
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:49.270
because I think they're going to treat
01:11:49.280 --> 01:11:51.030
Cece as like a nine and he hasn't played
01:11:51.040 --> 01:11:54.310
yet. Um,
01:11:54.320 --> 01:11:57.350
oh man, the listeners gave this room a
01:11:57.360 --> 01:11:59.830
0.9. Did they really?
01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:00.870
>> No.
01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:03.189
>> I was like, there's no way. Cece. Cece
01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:06.070
say a load. Cay a load.
01:12:06.080 --> 01:12:06.790
>> Oh, man.
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:09.430
>> I think it's you. I think it's you.
01:12:09.440 --> 01:12:10.070
>> Okay.
01:12:10.080 --> 01:12:10.790
>> I think it's you.
01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:13.430
>> All right. What's So, uh Oh, you went
01:12:13.440 --> 01:12:15.830
first on linebacker. I went 4.1 for the
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:16.950
corners,
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:18.950
>> which is lower than the fans. The fans
01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:21.669
went 5.6. Before I break it down, were
01:12:21.679 --> 01:12:23.590
you higher or lower than me?
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:25.430
>> I was higher. I nailed it. I think the
01:12:25.440 --> 01:12:26.709
fans were the highest, and I thought you
01:12:26.719 --> 01:12:29.590
would be the I I nailed it. Okay, that's
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:31.270
good. You're probably going to think
01:12:31.280 --> 01:12:33.030
that I'm being too negative here, but
01:12:33.040 --> 01:12:34.630
I'll give you my ratings for everybody
01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:38.070
for Brandon Cece as CB1. And I think
01:12:38.080 --> 01:12:40.870
this is generous because
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:43.830
he's a rookie. And so therefore, we
01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:46.630
haven't seen him go going up against a
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:49.910
starting NFL offense.
01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:51.910
And I'm terrified for the first time
01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:52.870
we're going to see it because we're
01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:55.350
going to see it against a very good wide
01:12:55.360 --> 01:12:57.910
receiver room in Minnesota. I gave him a
01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:00.630
five out of 10, which is average.
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:01.030
>> Okay,
01:13:01.040 --> 01:13:02.790
>> that might be a little too generous for
01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:03.510
our CB1.
01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:04.790
>> No, I think I think that's okay.
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:06.630
Actually, I don't mind the five. I think
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:09.350
five is totally fine.
01:13:09.360 --> 01:13:10.870
>> What number do you think I gave Keshan
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:13.430
Nixon a CB2 out of 10?
01:13:13.440 --> 01:13:14.630
>> Yeah, that's exactly right.
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:15.270
>> Yeah.
01:13:15.280 --> 01:13:17.990
>> Yep. Because one is like unplayable.
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:19.510
He's not unplayable.
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:20.870
>> Sure,
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:24.390
>> but I want to cut him. easilies.
01:13:24.400 --> 01:13:27.189
>> Uh Carrington as a corner. Didn't think
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:28.310
about this.
01:13:28.320 --> 01:13:30.149
>> So this this was tough for me to decide
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:33.270
how to do this. I I instructed the fans
01:13:33.280 --> 01:13:34.870
>> him with both. Right.
01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:38.149
>> I instructed the fans to include
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:39.750
slot/nickel
01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:41.270
in the corner room.
01:13:41.280 --> 01:13:41.590
>> Okay.
01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:44.149
>> And then when I did my own, I put Kamal
01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:46.470
Haden in the cornerback room and I put
01:13:46.480 --> 01:13:47.990
Javon Bullard in the safety room,
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:49.350
>> which is what it says on the Packers
01:13:49.360 --> 01:13:52.070
roster. So that's that's understandable.
01:13:52.080 --> 01:13:55.590
>> I felt a little conflicted about
01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:58.229
>> how to communicate that to the voters,
01:13:58.239 --> 01:14:00.070
but that's how I did it. So
01:14:00.080 --> 01:14:01.910
>> I think it's fine to count them in both
01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:04.229
as well. If you did that fans, I think
01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:06.310
that's totally okay if you counted him
01:14:06.320 --> 01:14:07.510
as both.
01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:09.750
>> I I I mean it's it's a hodge podge.
01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:11.350
Anyways, Carrington Valentine is
01:14:11.360 --> 01:14:13.270
>> the Seahawks have a safety playing
01:14:13.280 --> 01:14:14.709
nickel corner.
01:14:14.719 --> 01:14:18.149
>> Some guys don't Cooper De is a corner
01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:20.070
playing nickel corner. So they're just
01:14:20.080 --> 01:14:23.510
it's tricky designations. So
01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:25.430
>> we're just we're we are understanding of
01:14:25.440 --> 01:14:28.870
any and all uh designations you
01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:31.030
>> you would like. No, Canard is not a
01:14:31.040 --> 01:14:31.990
tight end though.
01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:34.149
>> We can't we can't do that.
01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:38.790
>> Sorry. Just not on the team.
01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:40.709
>> Let's see. The uh we got a couple more
01:14:40.719 --> 01:14:44.709
votes here and here. The fans vote for
01:14:44.719 --> 01:14:48.310
or rating for corner
01:14:48.320 --> 01:14:50.070
jumped up when I include these last
01:14:50.080 --> 01:14:53.430
couple ratings from a 5.6 to a 575.
01:14:53.440 --> 01:14:53.750
>> Okay.
01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:55.990
>> So,
01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:59.910
um All right. So, uh Kamal Haden got the
01:14:59.920 --> 01:15:05.270
highest rating for me as slot two.
01:15:05.280 --> 01:15:05.990
>> Makes sense.
01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:09.110
>> He got a seven out of 10 for slot two. I
01:15:09.120 --> 01:15:10.950
think you could do a lot worse than
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.590
Kamal Haden as your backup slot.
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:14.870
>> Yes,
01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:16.950
>> I'm I'm very high on Haden and I thought
01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:18.790
he had a fantastic
01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:21.110
deep dive.
01:15:21.120 --> 01:15:21.750
>> That's going to be
01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:22.950
>> You gonna make a video? Are you going to
01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:25.189
make a video and poster project YouTube
01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:25.510
page?
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:27.430
>> Well, I could well that that could be
01:15:27.440 --> 01:15:29.990
something. Yeah. Where does Kabal is
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:31.990
that the most decent video that's ever
01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:33.350
been posted on the league? Where does
01:15:33.360 --> 01:15:35.750
Kabal Haden rank among amongst backup
01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:39.350
nickel corners in the league? Michael,
01:15:39.360 --> 01:15:41.350
>> it'd be more niche if you if you did uh
01:15:41.360 --> 01:15:43.030
all time. Where where's he rank all
01:15:43.040 --> 01:15:43.350
time?
01:15:43.360 --> 01:15:45.270
>> That's interesting. It's a lot lower,
01:15:45.280 --> 01:15:47.750
obviously. Um because there's some good
01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:49.669
nickel corners all time.
01:15:49.679 --> 01:15:51.830
>> Now, here here's a rating that I think
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:55.750
you probably could say is really unfair,
01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:58.470
but also I didn't weight this position
01:15:58.480 --> 01:16:01.430
very heavily, and that is CB4. Benjamin
01:16:01.440 --> 01:16:03.830
St. Juice. I gave him a four out of 10.
01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:05.910
It's probably
01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:09.350
>> kind of harsh, but
01:16:09.360 --> 01:16:11.750
>> factoring heavily into that is the fact
01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:13.990
that the coaches don't seem to have any
01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:15.830
trust in St. Juice at all or any
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:17.750
interest in
01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:21.189
um letting him challenge Nixon or
01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:24.149
Valentine. Like he's firmly entrenched
01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:28.470
as the fourth quarterback. And frankly,
01:16:28.480 --> 01:16:30.229
I'm not sure who you see on the field
01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:32.550
first, St. juiced or hadn't if you had
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:34.790
to start getting deeper into just the
01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:37.270
quarterback room. And then I gave Deonte
01:16:37.280 --> 01:16:40.950
Jackson as a practice squ practice squad
01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:42.870
quarterback.
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:44.550
All right, so we're adjusting for the
01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:46.390
fact that he's on the practice squad. I
01:16:46.400 --> 01:16:48.229
still gave him a one out of 10. I don't
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:49.750
understand why he's on this team. I'm
01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:50.870
not mad about it because he's on the
01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:52.310
practice squad and not taking up an
01:16:52.320 --> 01:16:53.830
actual roster spot.
01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:55.590
>> I think he sucks and I don't understand
01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:57.110
why we drafted him.
01:16:57.120 --> 01:16:58.229
>> Neither here nor there.
01:16:58.239 --> 01:16:58.630
>> Fair enough.
01:16:58.640 --> 01:17:00.470
>> It I You know what? I'm going to change
01:17:00.480 --> 01:17:01.830
his rating from a one to a 10 and see
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:03.189
how it changes the rating of the room.
01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:04.070
>> There you go.
01:17:04.080 --> 01:17:05.990
>> It basically doesn't.
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:07.669
>> Fantastic. Um,
01:17:07.679 --> 01:17:09.030
>> so, um, so there
01:17:09.040 --> 01:17:11.510
>> if anybody has a take on best backup
01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:13.350
nickel in the league,
01:17:13.360 --> 01:17:15.270
>> put them in the comments because I I
01:17:15.280 --> 01:17:16.950
have my opinion. I think I know who it
01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.110
is. Um, but
01:17:19.120 --> 01:17:21.270
>> is he playing Philly?
01:17:21.280 --> 01:17:24.550
>> He does not.
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:25.830
By the way, if you're wondering,
01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:28.550
changing Demani Jackson from a one to a
01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:30.390
10 as a practice squad quarterback takes
01:17:30.400 --> 01:17:33.350
you from a 4.1 to a 4.3 for the room.
01:17:33.360 --> 01:17:33.750
So,
01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:35.510
>> okay, there's that. I think that I think
01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:36.790
that that sounds fair.
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:39.110
>> Michael Carter II is the backup nickel
01:17:39.120 --> 01:17:40.790
in Philly.
01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:42.229
>> It's pretty good.
01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:44.310
>> Pretty darn good. Yeah.
01:17:44.320 --> 01:17:48.229
>> But one team has a first round pick as a
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:49.910
backup nickel.
01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:52.390
>> A current like a 2026 firstrounder.
01:17:52.400 --> 01:17:54.390
>> No.
01:17:54.400 --> 01:17:57.750
So, a former firstrounder,
01:17:57.760 --> 01:18:00.950
as we know, if somebody's ever described
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:01.990
as a former
01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:03.430
>> long ago, though, it's not from long
01:18:03.440 --> 01:18:04.950
ago.
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:07.030
>> If anybody's described as a former
01:18:07.040 --> 01:18:08.709
firstrounder in the media, you know,
01:18:08.719 --> 01:18:11.990
he's turbo dog dudu. Yes.
01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:13.990
>> Who is it? Is it Seattle?
01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:16.709
>> It's No, it's Denver. It's Jedi Baron.
01:18:16.719 --> 01:18:17.830
They picked him in the first round.
01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:19.590
Didn't play much last year.
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:21.910
>> So, Denver actually was my second guess.
01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:23.830
I said Seattle because too old for this.
01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:24.790
Put it in the comments.
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:25.350
>> Oh yeah,
01:18:25.360 --> 01:18:25.990
>> but a good
01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:28.229
>> J would not have been. He did not come
01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:29.910
to mind for me. I just assumed it'd be
01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:30.149
because
01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:31.830
>> you just assume he's taking over Mantle
01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:33.270
starter going into year two and he's
01:18:33.280 --> 01:18:36.709
actually not cuz they have Sir Tan Moss
01:18:36.719 --> 01:18:39.510
and Jquad McMillan playing Nickel,
01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:41.830
>> they're loaded. Uh so if you're
01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:43.590
interested in like what a 10 out of 10
01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:45.189
corner room looks like there. That
01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:47.590
that's your that's your uh
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:49.990
>> I think they should trade Moss to us and
01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:52.790
then they can play Jade
01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:54.870
>> rank. I I would love to see I because
01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:56.550
obviously Brandon Thorne does the O line
01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:58.229
rankings and like we have receiver room
01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:00.229
rankings and all that stuff. Would love
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:02.390
to know
01:19:02.400 --> 01:19:04.229
maybe someone has ranked the cornerback
01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:06.470
rooms. Would love to see that ranking
01:19:06.480 --> 01:19:09.270
honestly.
01:19:09.280 --> 01:19:10.870
Maybe nobody does it. It's my
01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:13.510
prerogative. Guess I got to go do it. I
01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:15.110
I think you should do it and post it on
01:19:15.120 --> 01:19:15.910
this channel for people.
01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:17.830
>> There you go.
01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:21.030
>> Um, okay. So, we are uh now to the final
01:19:21.040 --> 01:19:22.630
defensive
01:19:22.640 --> 01:19:23.990
position group.
01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:24.790
>> Okay.
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:28.310
>> Safety. I went 7.3.
01:19:28.320 --> 01:19:28.790
>> Okay.
01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:31.350
>> The fans went
01:19:31.360 --> 01:19:34.550
9.2.
01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:36.070
>> Fans. Hello.
01:19:36.080 --> 01:19:37.990
>> Oh, what was your quarterback number?
01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.070
>> Oh, five. I didn't say
01:19:40.080 --> 01:19:40.870
>> five for corner.
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:42.950
>> I didn't say what it was. Yeah, right.
01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:44.390
No, I didn't.
01:19:44.400 --> 01:19:47.669
>> H how would how would you rate uh just
01:19:47.679 --> 01:19:49.270
the interesting guys there? How would
01:19:49.280 --> 01:19:50.390
you rate those guys out of 10?
01:19:50.400 --> 01:19:50.950
>> How would I rate
01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:53.030
>> C? What would you give him?
01:19:53.040 --> 01:19:55.830
>> I think a five is actually fair.
01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:56.870
>> Keshan out of 10.
01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:59.750
>> Probably a two or three.
01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:01.510
>> Valentine's probably a three or four.
01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:03.510
St. Juice is yeah, kind of in that
01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:05.669
range, too. It's not It's not very good.
01:20:05.679 --> 01:20:08.310
Um it's not as bad as offensive line. I
01:20:08.320 --> 01:20:10.470
have to again be true to myself of like
01:20:10.480 --> 01:20:13.110
okay I went was like what's the best and
01:20:13.120 --> 01:20:15.350
what's the worst and then okay fill it
01:20:15.360 --> 01:20:17.669
in on that kind of curve of like all
01:20:17.679 --> 01:20:19.510
right where where does it all stack out
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:22.149
I do think O line's in a in a worse spot
01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:24.950
unfortunately I think O line it also
01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:26.630
kind of in a worse spot even though they
01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:28.229
have obviously more players along the
01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:29.350
offensive line there are corners
01:20:29.360 --> 01:20:30.870
>> yeah no I agree 100%
01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:33.510
>> but I think the corners have the benefit
01:20:33.520 --> 01:20:35.750
of not being
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:37.990
as big of an engine in the entanglement
01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:39.350
that is all 11 players that the
01:20:39.360 --> 01:20:41.270
offensive line does, right? Like there
01:20:41.280 --> 01:20:42.229
are going to be plays where there's only
01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:43.430
two corners on the field. There's always
01:20:43.440 --> 01:20:44.870
going to be five alignment out there.
01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:46.950
>> So, they're always going to be they're
01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:50.790
always going to be more important
01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:53.990
>> just from a percentage standpoint. Yeah.
01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:55.590
in your entanglement of like all this
01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:56.790
being connected like they're always
01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:59.350
going to be more important and so
01:20:59.360 --> 01:21:00.550
they're going to get probably they're
01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:01.669
just going to get exposed more I think
01:21:01.679 --> 01:21:03.270
than the corner room will because
01:21:03.280 --> 01:21:04.790
especially when Micah comes back and if
01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:06.790
Wyatt plays a healthy season like we're
01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:08.229
be talking about this defensive line and
01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:10.470
some some good conversations and it's
01:21:10.480 --> 01:21:11.590
going to be like oh yeah the corners
01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:14.149
they're not very good but like maybe
01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:15.270
like the first two weeks of the season
01:21:15.280 --> 01:21:17.510
we just don't hear from them very often
01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:19.990
like Detroit game hear from them really
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:21.030
at all
01:21:21.040 --> 01:21:23.110
>> other than Tesla making a big play back
01:21:23.120 --> 01:21:24.229
the end zone have been nothing like
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:27.189
that. That was it basically.
01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:27.750
So
01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:31.430
>> I I would also say another similarity
01:21:31.440 --> 01:21:35.189
between those two though is that
01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:37.430
there's a lot you can do throughout the
01:21:37.440 --> 01:21:39.990
season to hide offensive line problems
01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:43.270
and quarterback problems. And also there
01:21:43.280 --> 01:21:47.510
are some NFC West teams
01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:51.590
who have the roster to abuse you at
01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:53.750
those spots and destroy a game if you
01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:55.669
are incompetent at corner or at
01:21:55.679 --> 01:21:57.590
offensive line. You can survive a lot of
01:21:57.600 --> 01:21:59.910
the regular season. But if you get
01:21:59.920 --> 01:22:02.149
matched up against
01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:06.790
LA, Seattle, heck, San Francisco in the
01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:08.629
playoffs,
01:22:08.639 --> 01:22:11.590
those teams are constructed in such a
01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:14.149
way they could m maybe is slightly less
01:22:14.159 --> 01:22:15.510
so San Francisco with the wide
01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:16.310
receivers. But
01:22:16.320 --> 01:22:18.070
>> yeah, if Evans can't be healthy, which
01:22:18.080 --> 01:22:19.510
he's already kind of not, it's maybe
01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:22.790
less so, but still it's a guy who can
01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:25.510
scheme up good opportunities and and
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:28.709
really stress you out.
01:22:28.719 --> 01:22:32.709
So, uh, on safety, so I I was a 7.3. The
01:22:32.719 --> 01:22:35.510
fans are a 9.2. I want to get your
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:36.629
number and then we can break down the
01:22:36.639 --> 01:22:37.270
players.
01:22:37.280 --> 01:22:41.669
>> Okay. Do you do you have a guess?
01:22:41.679 --> 01:22:43.990
I think you're right about an eight or
01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:46.709
so because you like Evan Williams so
01:22:46.719 --> 01:22:48.310
much.
01:22:48.320 --> 01:22:49.669
>> And I go 7.8.
01:22:49.679 --> 01:22:51.830
>> And I include I included Bullard here,
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:52.550
too.
01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:54.550
>> Oh, and you like Bullard. Yeah. I'm
01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:55.669
You've been doing a lot of quarter
01:22:55.679 --> 01:22:57.430
numbers. I'll go 775 from you.
01:22:57.440 --> 01:22:59.110
>> This is a nine.
01:22:59.120 --> 01:23:00.149
>> All right.
01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:01.110
>> McKini. I think
01:23:01.120 --> 01:23:01.750
>> Wow.
01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:03.590
>> I think McKinn's as good as anybody not
01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:05.510
named Kyle Hamilton in this league.
01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:07.030
>> And I give him a 10 out of 10.
01:23:07.040 --> 01:23:08.149
>> And then maybe that's going to change
01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:09.990
with Caleb DS. That's fine. Whatever.
01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:11.350
He'll still be in the in that top
01:23:11.360 --> 01:23:13.510
echelon this season and the next. At the
01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:15.990
very least, I think Evan Williams
01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:19.189
rolling down into the box, deciphering
01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:21.350
first and second level coverages,
01:23:21.360 --> 01:23:23.430
continues to get better. Really, really
01:23:23.440 --> 01:23:26.470
impressed by him uh in what he did year
01:23:26.480 --> 01:23:27.990
two. Another guy that just might not get
01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:29.750
enough credit as as a number two safety
01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:32.709
in this league. Bullard, I included. I
01:23:32.719 --> 01:23:34.310
think he's getting better as well. I
01:23:34.320 --> 01:23:35.990
just I don't have really many quals. My
01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:37.270
biggest qual is they didn't keep Mark
01:23:37.280 --> 01:23:39.830
Perry on this team. And and it hurts me
01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:41.510
to say that Olapo probably shouldn't
01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:43.510
have made it over him because we have
01:23:43.520 --> 01:23:45.910
been an Oloppo
01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:49.669
uh hype train for years. It just hasn't
01:23:49.679 --> 01:23:52.870
it just hasn't come to fruition. So, you
01:23:52.880 --> 01:23:54.629
know, it it really is it really is a
01:23:54.639 --> 01:23:57.189
2024 room. They've really just it really
01:23:57.199 --> 01:23:59.990
is that that's all this is is the uh
01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:03.030
just 2024 editions. It's it's so good.
01:24:03.040 --> 01:24:06.870
It's to me it's the best room in the uh
01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:09.669
in on the defense right now. Sans Micah,
01:24:09.679 --> 01:24:11.510
of course, that obviously would change
01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:12.790
things, but I think it's just clearly
01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:14.470
above everybody else
01:24:14.480 --> 01:24:16.870
>> uh in terms of just the talent, the the
01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:18.950
the
01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:21.430
roles that everybody can play on this
01:24:21.440 --> 01:24:24.229
defense on top of it. Like it just, you
01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:27.510
know, if you I I happily showed it in
01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:29.430
year one with this team. Like McKenna
01:24:29.440 --> 01:24:32.229
can blitz. McKenna can blitz, not just
01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:33.669
sit on the post and and and
01:24:33.679 --> 01:24:35.030
>> Well, McKenna can do everything. Yeah.
01:24:35.040 --> 01:24:36.470
>> So like he can do everything. I don't
01:24:36.480 --> 01:24:37.669
think you would put Evan Williams on the
01:24:37.679 --> 01:24:38.950
post, but you can play him in the deep
01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:39.990
half, you can play him on the line of
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:41.270
scrimmage, you can roll him into the
01:24:41.280 --> 01:24:44.229
box, and then Bullard competitive as all
01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:46.070
get out. I think just getting better in
01:24:46.080 --> 01:24:47.750
all facets. Like it just to me those
01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:50.550
that trio, it's it's hard to find like a
01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:54.149
better trio in the league, which is
01:24:54.159 --> 01:24:57.430
crazy that he did this. Again, we we we
01:24:57.440 --> 01:24:59.990
crap on goody for plenty of decisions.
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:01.830
The 2024 safety reload. I know you're
01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:03.270
not as high on end as I am, but like I
01:25:03.280 --> 01:25:05.350
just feel like it was massive problem,
01:25:05.360 --> 01:25:07.189
fix problem. It took years to fix
01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:07.510
problem.
01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:08.790
>> Horrendous problem.
01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:10.470
>> It took years to fix problem, but when
01:25:10.480 --> 01:25:12.950
fixed problem, problem fix.
01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:14.550
>> I think he only let the problem simmer
01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:17.350
for one year. The 2023 safety room was
01:25:17.360 --> 01:25:19.350
absolutely atrocious.
01:25:19.360 --> 01:25:20.709
>> Very bad.
01:25:20.719 --> 01:25:22.870
>> And then he really he let that fester
01:25:22.880 --> 01:25:23.830
for just that one year.
01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:25.910
>> True. The 2022 draft, it was kind of
01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:27.830
like could we add one? It would be
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:30.470
really good if we added one just in case
01:25:30.480 --> 01:25:32.149
and it didn't happen. Yeah, I think
01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:32.709
that's fair.
01:25:32.719 --> 01:25:34.310
>> And I was mad we didn't add somebody in
01:25:34.320 --> 01:25:36.310
22 because I could see that cliff
01:25:36.320 --> 01:25:37.189
coming. Yeah.
01:25:37.199 --> 01:25:39.669
>> Like I was I was not shocked at all that
01:25:39.679 --> 01:25:41.830
they were bad in 2023. I was expecting
01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:44.629
them to be worse than they were in 2023.
01:25:44.639 --> 01:25:45.189
>> Sure.
01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:47.270
>> And then they were he let it fester for
01:25:47.280 --> 01:25:49.270
that season and then reloaded in one off
01:25:49.280 --> 01:25:50.790
seasonason. It's been fine ever since.
01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:53.430
It's been it's been the strength of the
01:25:53.440 --> 01:25:55.830
defense since then. So, I went a 10 out
01:25:55.840 --> 01:25:58.550
of 10 for McKini. I went a seven out of
01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:01.830
10 for Evan Williams. I went a six out
01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:04.950
of 10 for Javon Bullard. Um, if he was
01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:06.229
safety three, he would have gotten a
01:26:06.239 --> 01:26:08.629
higher number for me, but he's a he's a
01:26:08.639 --> 01:26:12.229
starter as the slot nickel. And I think
01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:14.629
he's kind of just okay. I think he's a
01:26:14.639 --> 01:26:17.110
little bit better than average. I I just
01:26:17.120 --> 01:26:19.669
want to see a lot more from him. I I I
01:26:19.679 --> 01:26:22.790
still feel like the percentage of plays
01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:25.110
where he makes just boneheaded mistakes
01:26:25.120 --> 01:26:28.229
is really frustrating. Um he's got a
01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:29.910
little bit of Keshan in him at times
01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:32.629
with just making some dumb moves and I I
01:26:32.639 --> 01:26:35.590
need that to stop. If that stops, I'm
01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:37.270
going to stop crapping on him. He He
01:26:37.280 --> 01:26:40.950
still gets beat sometimes, but whatever.
01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:43.430
Everybody gets beat sometimes. Uh Katano
01:26:43.440 --> 01:26:48.070
Adapo as the third safety. I gave a
01:26:48.080 --> 01:26:49.830
three out of 10. Things are not looking
01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:51.350
too good for our buddy Katon.
01:26:51.360 --> 01:26:53.350
>> No.
01:26:53.360 --> 01:26:54.310
>> And uh
01:26:54.320 --> 01:26:56.629
>> point Mark Perry
01:26:56.639 --> 01:26:58.229
>> that. Yeah. I'd like to have Mark Perry
01:26:58.239 --> 01:27:00.550
on the roster. So I I got a 7.3.
01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:01.430
>> Go ahead.
01:27:01.440 --> 01:27:04.390
>> Is is Would you say how many how many
01:27:04.400 --> 01:27:05.990
safety rooms do you think are better
01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:08.550
than this one?
01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:12.470
>> I don't know. May maybe we a comment.
01:27:12.480 --> 01:27:14.629
>> I've got a couple. Obviously Detroit
01:27:14.639 --> 01:27:16.390
maybe when healthy
01:27:16.400 --> 01:27:18.229
>> with their top two maybe you think is
01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:20.470
better. Houston has just because there
01:27:20.480 --> 01:27:21.430
were a few that came to mind
01:27:21.440 --> 01:27:23.350
immediately. Houston has if you count
01:27:23.360 --> 01:27:25.830
Petri if you count Petri in this is kind
01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:27.669
of the nickel if you count him. Yeah.
01:27:27.679 --> 01:27:29.270
Then it's him. Kaylin Bullock Reed
01:27:29.280 --> 01:27:31.189
Blankenship Kamari Ramsey who they just
01:27:31.199 --> 01:27:32.149
drafted.
01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:34.550
>> It's pretty good. Ravens have former
01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:36.950
firstrounder Malachi Starks who I think
01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:39.750
could take a big jump this year. Kyle
01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:41.990
Hamilton. And they also have um they
01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:43.590
just signed him.
01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:45.669
>> Uh who was the third? Who's their third?
01:27:45.679 --> 01:27:49.350
Jaylen Hawkins is their third uh in that
01:27:49.360 --> 01:27:51.750
room right now. Um
01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:55.030
Rams maybe
01:27:55.040 --> 01:27:58.070
it's like what? Cam Curl,
01:27:58.080 --> 01:27:59.990
Kinchin's
01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:04.790
Quinton Lake. Eh, I don't think so.
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:07.430
It's really hard to think of like that
01:28:07.440 --> 01:28:09.510
many. The Seahawks. Do you do Seahawks?
01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:11.910
You got Emmen Worry, Julian Love.
01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:13.750
>> Emmen Worry, Julian Love, and then I
01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:16.149
guess Tyoka. Bud Clark.
01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:19.510
>> Yeah, Bud Clark. I bold prediction. Bud
01:28:19.520 --> 01:28:22.390
Clark is gonna take Okata's job sooner
01:28:22.400 --> 01:28:23.510
rather than later.
01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:25.590
>> He is on IR. I hope that's not season
01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:26.470
ending IR.
01:28:26.480 --> 01:28:27.910
>> Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.
01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:30.229
>> Is it season ending or is it like does
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:31.590
it put him on pup?
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.149
>> Shoot, that's really unfortunate.
01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:37.110
>> Um, hold on. I'm checking the news here.
01:28:37.120 --> 01:28:39.669
Yeah, that sucks. It is seasoning out
01:28:39.679 --> 01:28:41.430
here. All right. Well, can I take that
01:28:41.440 --> 01:28:42.470
bold pee back?
01:28:42.480 --> 01:28:42.870
>> Dang it.
01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:44.070
>> Is it too late for me to take that back?
01:28:44.080 --> 01:28:46.310
>> That's really unfortunate. So, that's
01:28:46.320 --> 01:28:49.990
>> No, no, you're good. You're good. Oh,
01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:53.510
uh, the the Falcons do have Jesse Bates,
01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:56.229
Xavier Watts, Billy Bowman.
01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:57.270
>> Not moved.
01:28:57.280 --> 01:28:58.390
>> Um, not moved.
01:28:58.400 --> 01:29:01.830
>> Did you not like Watts?
01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:04.310
>> I Jesse Bates at this point in in his
01:29:04.320 --> 01:29:07.830
career. Little little more washed.
01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:08.310
>> For sure.
01:29:08.320 --> 01:29:09.669
>> Yeah,
01:29:09.679 --> 01:29:11.030
>> for sure.
01:29:11.040 --> 01:29:13.430
>> Watts is okay. I I was never a huge
01:29:13.440 --> 01:29:15.830
>> Watt Notre Dame, right?
01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:17.510
>> I'm think he was he had a he was
01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:19.030
probably a top five rookie on defense
01:29:19.040 --> 01:29:20.790
last season for me when I went through
01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:22.709
all the rookies. Like it was that it was
01:29:22.719 --> 01:29:24.229
that good.
01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:26.790
>> But like, yeah, I think Billy Bowman's
01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:28.870
also dealt with injury. Again, it's just
01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:30.149
it's really hard to come up with like
01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:32.149
teams like the Bears potentially if they
01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:33.590
had Kobe Bryant on their team, but they
01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:36.229
don't have him now this year.
01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:37.189
Like, it's just they're
01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:39.830
>> I think that probably is the answer. I I
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:42.790
do I think that I think the Bears and
01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:46.390
the Lions and the Texans. I think that's
01:29:46.400 --> 01:29:47.990
I think that's that's the trio, but the
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:49.830
Bears don't have Kobe anymore, so
01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:52.390
they're by default they're dropped down.
01:29:52.400 --> 01:29:55.430
>> Um, and I need to go watch some uh some
01:29:55.440 --> 01:29:58.629
Watts. I I I did not watch Watts's uh
01:29:58.639 --> 01:30:00.550
rookie year, so I need to go do that.
01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:02.870
>> Tiki Smith, Antoine Winfield's not bad
01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:03.510
in Tampa.
01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:04.870
>> Oh, that's good. Yeah,
01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:06.070
>> they don't really have anything after
01:30:06.080 --> 01:30:09.030
that. Uh Parish and Keonte Scott both
01:30:09.040 --> 01:30:11.350
played corner, so I'm not counting them.
01:30:11.360 --> 01:30:13.270
>> Um whereas Bullard played safety, so I
01:30:13.280 --> 01:30:14.709
would count him.
01:30:14.719 --> 01:30:17.270
>> Uh and Emman Wor did as well.
01:30:17.280 --> 01:30:19.350
>> Yeah, I would I I'm I'm I'm kind of
01:30:19.360 --> 01:30:19.830
tempted to say
01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:21.750
>> it's a good duo in Tampa. It's a good
01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:23.510
duo, but Miles Kilibru is the
01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:25.669
technically the third safety.
01:30:25.679 --> 01:30:28.310
which is that's a that's a steep that's
01:30:28.320 --> 01:30:33.030
a steep boy drop off there. Tampa is
01:30:33.040 --> 01:30:35.750
it's pretty good.
01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:41.830
I'm going to go with
01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:46.790
right now with the Lions not having
01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:49.910
Kirby or Branch healthy, which is we we
01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:51.270
we docked the Bears.
01:30:51.280 --> 01:30:53.350
>> That's kind of a big deal.
01:30:53.360 --> 01:30:55.270
I'm gonna say the Packers are no worse
01:30:55.280 --> 01:30:57.590
than second behind
01:30:57.600 --> 01:30:59.430
>> the Texans.
01:30:59.440 --> 01:31:01.590
>> And I I guess it kind of comes down
01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:04.709
probably to your personal preference
01:31:04.719 --> 01:31:08.149
>> about Blankenship versus
01:31:08.159 --> 01:31:12.149
>> um Bullard, but I would also say or
01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:14.229
really Petri versus Bullard and then
01:31:14.239 --> 01:31:15.830
Blankenship versus Williams, which I
01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:18.229
think both kind of cancel each other out
01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:20.950
>> potentially. And then you get, you know,
01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:26.070
into McKenna versus Bulock which
01:31:26.080 --> 01:31:27.510
>> but I think their fourth is better than
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:31.110
Ramsey.
01:31:31.120 --> 01:31:32.070
>> It's a fascinating comp.
01:31:32.080 --> 01:31:35.030
>> Yeah, it you're you're pro your your
01:31:35.040 --> 01:31:36.790
decision probably has to be based off of
01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:39.430
McKini versus Bullock. I think that's I
01:31:39.440 --> 01:31:41.590
think that that's what it has to
01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:42.229
>> think. So
01:31:42.239 --> 01:31:43.590
>> has to boil down to.
01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:49.030
>> That's right. And Bulock is
01:31:49.040 --> 01:31:51.510
he's really promising, but he's not on
01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:52.950
McKinn's level yet.
01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:54.229
>> He's better than I thought he was going
01:31:54.239 --> 01:31:56.229
to be.
01:31:56.239 --> 01:31:59.030
>> I'm going to go yes for the Packers
01:31:59.040 --> 01:32:03.270
having the best safety room in football.
01:32:03.280 --> 01:32:03.750
>> Yeah.
01:32:03.760 --> 01:32:06.950
>> And that makes me feel awkward about
01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:09.110
giving them a
01:32:09.120 --> 01:32:10.229
7.3.
01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:11.990
>> Sure.
01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:13.510
But maybe you're just a harsher critic
01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:15.030
on it. Your curve looks like more of
01:32:15.040 --> 01:32:17.030
like three to seven is like or three to
01:32:17.040 --> 01:32:18.470
eight is like kind of like best to
01:32:18.480 --> 01:32:20.709
worst. It could be that way
01:32:20.719 --> 01:32:22.870
>> in some spots.
01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:23.910
>> Let's do the
01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:25.270
>> You don't have to defend your process to
01:32:25.280 --> 01:32:26.550
anybody. You don't have to defend your
01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:28.790
process any process.
01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:30.070
>> I explained my process.
01:32:30.080 --> 01:32:32.070
>> No, I know. I gave you all my numbers.
01:32:32.080 --> 01:32:33.990
>> I know. I'm saying you don't have to
01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:37.830
say, "Oh, no. I was too low." You're
01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:40.790
>> I let here I'll I'll show you real
01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:42.870
quick. Here's here's my uh spreadsheet.
01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:46.390
So you can you can see how crazy I am
01:32:46.400 --> 01:32:49.430
here. See, I got I got all the numbers
01:32:49.440 --> 01:32:49.830
in here.
01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:51.110
>> Jeez, this looks like what I did with
01:32:51.120 --> 01:32:54.149
the Goody versus other draft uh versus
01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:55.990
other GMs.
01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:57.590
>> I mean, I'll be honest, this is this is
01:32:57.600 --> 01:33:00.310
one of my simpler spreadsheets. Most of
01:33:00.320 --> 01:33:03.430
my spreadsheets are are super crazy and
01:33:03.440 --> 01:33:05.910
have, you know, 20 plus tabs.
01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:06.870
>> Sure.
01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:08.390
>> Bungie says, "You're harsh on every
01:33:08.400 --> 01:33:11.030
group." I want to win a freaking Super
01:33:11.040 --> 01:33:13.750
Bowl. I'm sick of being the seventh
01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:17.430
round wild card. I get that for a Lions
01:33:17.440 --> 01:33:23.030
fan. That's cool. That's not cool to me.
01:33:23.040 --> 01:33:25.669
I want to win a Super Bowl. We're We
01:33:25.679 --> 01:33:27.270
traded two first round picks to go get
01:33:27.280 --> 01:33:28.470
Micah Parsons.
01:33:28.480 --> 01:33:30.550
>> I'm not interested in We don't have an
01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:34.550
offensive line. And Javon Bullard is
01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:37.189
often pretty darn good, but then also
01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:38.950
sometimes he just loses his head and
01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:41.430
does stupid stuff on a play that wrecks
01:33:41.440 --> 01:33:44.470
stuff. I'm not interested in that. I,
01:33:44.480 --> 01:33:46.870
you know, I'm I'm really happy that we
01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:50.149
went out and upgraded tight end at day.
01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:51.590
That's the kind of stuff that we should
01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:52.790
be doing. That's the kind of stuff we
01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:54.950
should be doing at offensive line. kind
01:33:54.960 --> 01:33:57.590
of pissed that Goody did nothing to go
01:33:57.600 --> 01:34:02.629
get a competent quality starting right
01:34:02.639 --> 01:34:04.790
guard and that we have to run Jacob Monk
01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:08.629
out there and that we're still running
01:34:08.639 --> 01:34:11.430
this back with Aaron Banks
01:34:11.440 --> 01:34:13.510
based on nothing except for his
01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:15.350
contract.
01:34:15.360 --> 01:34:17.189
So
01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:19.189
Bungie says until someone hits superstar
01:34:19.199 --> 01:34:21.189
you are leery.
01:34:21.199 --> 01:34:23.430
I think that's I think that's uh true
01:34:23.440 --> 01:34:25.590
but also inconsistent. There are there
01:34:25.600 --> 01:34:28.390
are some players on here so like I think
01:34:28.400 --> 01:34:32.550
most people watching this would not
01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:35.270
agree that Lucas Vaness has hit
01:34:35.280 --> 01:34:36.790
superstar.
01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:40.070
I have full confidence in Lucas Vaness.
01:34:40.080 --> 01:34:41.270
Like there's a lot of people saying like
01:34:41.280 --> 01:34:43.669
oh I just hope Vaness can break out this
01:34:43.679 --> 01:34:45.189
year. I'm saying he already broke out
01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:47.189
last year. you missed it because he
01:34:47.199 --> 01:34:50.310
spent so much time not on the field
01:34:50.320 --> 01:34:52.790
because he was injured.
01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:54.470
>> Like I I I I think there's plenty of
01:34:54.480 --> 01:34:56.310
guys who I'm giving benefit of the doubt
01:34:56.320 --> 01:34:59.430
to because I've seen that they're good
01:34:59.440 --> 01:35:01.110
enough and now I just need them to be
01:35:01.120 --> 01:35:03.669
healthy.
01:35:03.679 --> 01:35:07.030
Uh you know, you ready to do uh
01:35:07.040 --> 01:35:09.510
specialists and then I I can pull
01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:12.310
together. I can I can reveal the final
01:35:12.320 --> 01:35:14.709
numbers for Oh, I guess I should reveal
01:35:14.719 --> 01:35:16.709
the final number for defense.
01:35:16.719 --> 01:35:17.510
>> What was offense?
01:35:17.520 --> 01:35:21.990
>> For defense. So So offense,
01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:24.310
I I have two numbers in here. I have my
01:35:24.320 --> 01:35:26.950
number and I have all of our number
01:35:26.960 --> 01:35:30.790
averaged. So my number for offense,
01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:32.950
and this is weighted for the position
01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:36.550
group. So Oh, quarterback is weighted
01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:38.149
heavier than running back.
01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:39.910
>> Sure.
01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:41.669
Offense
01:35:41.679 --> 01:35:46.629
7.1 from me and also 7.1 from all of us
01:35:46.639 --> 01:35:49.830
combined.
01:35:49.840 --> 01:35:50.229
>> Okay.
01:35:50.239 --> 01:35:55.590
>> Defense 6.2 from me, 6.8 from all of us
01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:58.229
combined.
01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:00.470
>> Let's do special specialist real quick
01:36:00.480 --> 01:36:02.950
and then and then I'll
01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:05.430
>> I'll give you the the full rating.
01:36:05.440 --> 01:36:09.189
>> What about defense with Micah?
01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:10.709
Does that change?
01:36:10.719 --> 01:36:11.110
>> Should
01:36:11.120 --> 01:36:13.910
>> I can Well, I can add that back in for
01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:16.470
just me. So, what I say is it
01:36:16.480 --> 01:36:19.270
>> because I had a 925 versus a 625 with
01:36:19.280 --> 01:36:20.470
Micah
01:36:20.480 --> 01:36:22.709
>> as the pass rush.
01:36:22.719 --> 01:36:26.790
>> DDS gets uh Oh, no. I said Brentton Cox.
01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:31.030
So, Brentton Cox gets
01:36:31.040 --> 01:36:35.350
DDS gets that.
01:36:35.360 --> 01:36:37.430
Okay. So,
01:36:37.440 --> 01:36:41.270
for me, defense goes up to a 6.8
01:36:41.280 --> 01:36:45.109
overall.
01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:46.470
>> Okay.
01:36:46.480 --> 01:36:48.070
>> So, still lower than offense, but
01:36:48.080 --> 01:36:49.350
definitely better.
01:36:49.360 --> 01:36:49.669
>> Okay.
01:36:49.679 --> 01:36:53.030
>> So, it goes up from 6.2 to a 6.8. But I
01:36:53.040 --> 01:36:57.030
but but that's just like the the sum of
01:36:57.040 --> 01:36:58.149
the parts.
01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:00.870
>> Massive. It's not factoring in how much
01:37:00.880 --> 01:37:04.790
does Micah returning lessen the dangers
01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:05.910
at cornerback.
01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:06.390
>> Sure.
01:37:06.400 --> 01:37:08.070
>> You know, so that's
01:37:08.080 --> 01:37:08.629
>> Yeah.
01:37:08.639 --> 01:37:11.750
>> Which is correct. Like the the the s the
01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:13.430
whole is greater than the sum of his
01:37:13.440 --> 01:37:15.910
parts and a guy like Micah, you have to
01:37:15.920 --> 01:37:17.830
have that conversation when you're
01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:20.390
talking about his impact.
01:37:20.400 --> 01:37:22.870
for the specialists.
01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:23.189
>> Yeah,
01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:28.550
>> I did kicker, punter, long snapper,
01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:30.950
returner, and then I also included
01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:32.550
backup returner, but I gave backup
01:37:32.560 --> 01:37:34.070
returner just the tiniest little bit of
01:37:34.080 --> 01:37:36.229
weight. And my backup returner was Bo
01:37:36.239 --> 01:37:38.709
Melton. I have Skyore as the starting
01:37:38.719 --> 01:37:41.590
kick and punt returner and Bo Melton as
01:37:41.600 --> 01:37:45.109
as the second returner returner.
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:48.790
Um, tool for this says LVN is the
01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:50.550
opposite of Musgrave. Everyone thinks he
01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:52.470
sucks because he's injured, but everyone
01:37:52.480 --> 01:37:54.070
loves Musgrade even though he's awful
01:37:54.080 --> 01:37:55.750
but injured. That's a good point.
01:37:55.760 --> 01:37:56.550
>> It's interesting.
01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:59.830
>> So, uh, what did you give the
01:37:59.840 --> 01:38:02.390
specialists?
01:38:02.400 --> 01:38:05.189
So
01:38:05.199 --> 01:38:07.189
the specialists
01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:11.350
I would say get a
01:38:11.360 --> 01:38:14.149
man I just it's really annoying because
01:38:14.159 --> 01:38:15.990
Edomitas would have made this a lot
01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:18.550
different but the specialists I would
01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:20.550
say get
01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:23.270
a a seven.
01:38:23.280 --> 01:38:25.189
>> Okay I went 6.6
01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:27.830
Dan Wheelen stud.
01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:30.070
I'm going to choose to side with this is
01:38:30.080 --> 01:38:33.830
an optimism uh slider on that the
01:38:33.840 --> 01:38:35.990
kicking operation does not get worse
01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:40.229
with Orzac, but it probably will. Um
01:38:40.239 --> 01:38:42.390
I think teams as a whole should be
01:38:42.400 --> 01:38:43.910
bumped
01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:45.669
>> by AORD himself. So if you're doing
01:38:45.679 --> 01:38:46.950
teams as a whole, if you're thinking
01:38:46.960 --> 01:38:48.629
about teams as a whole, the specialists
01:38:48.639 --> 01:38:51.350
>> by AORD and I also think that our the
01:38:51.360 --> 01:38:53.750
depth across the 53
01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:55.030
>> Yeah. who are going to be playing on
01:38:55.040 --> 01:38:57.830
special teams is significantly better
01:38:57.840 --> 01:38:59.910
than it is most years.
01:38:59.920 --> 01:39:01.430
>> Yeah.
01:39:01.440 --> 01:39:04.310
Yeah. It's It probably should be a six
01:39:04.320 --> 01:39:07.350
with Orzac coming back in and it's
01:39:07.360 --> 01:39:08.870
probably a seven to a seven and a half
01:39:08.880 --> 01:39:12.870
with with where was without a Midas. But
01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:15.990
so I'm I'm going 6.6. I gave Daniel
01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:17.910
Wheelan
01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:19.350
Oh, you know what? Hold on. I just
01:39:19.360 --> 01:39:22.870
realized I have to change. I I listed um
01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:25.189
I put these two guys in the wrong spot.
01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:28.470
Okay, 5.9. Sorry. I had Daniel Wheelen
01:39:28.480 --> 01:39:30.310
and Trace Mack in the wrong slots for
01:39:30.320 --> 01:39:32.550
each other and kicker is more important
01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:34.790
than punter. So
01:39:34.800 --> 01:39:36.149
>> Wheelen having a really good
01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:36.870
>> says you
01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:40.629
>> grade move this around. So 5.9 was my
01:39:40.639 --> 01:39:41.750
specialists.
01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:43.189
>> So I got um
01:39:43.199 --> 01:39:47.350
>> It's not if you never kick.
01:39:47.360 --> 01:39:48.709
Yeah, because we're certainly not gonna
01:39:48.719 --> 01:39:50.070
stall out in the red zone with this
01:39:50.080 --> 01:39:52.390
offensive line that can't run.
01:39:52.400 --> 01:39:53.750
>> No way.
01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:56.790
>> It's It's simply going to be Tucker
01:39:56.800 --> 01:39:58.870
Craft willing his way into the end zone,
01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:02.070
carrying five people on his back.
01:40:02.080 --> 01:40:04.310
>> Wheeling gets a 10 from me.
01:40:04.320 --> 01:40:05.910
>> Electric punter.
01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:09.109
>> Trace Mack gets a four from me
01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:11.030
>> because I need a bigger sample size than
01:40:11.040 --> 01:40:13.510
just three preseason games. We have
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:16.390
somewhat of a sample size from him over
01:40:16.400 --> 01:40:18.550
the course of the summer that was not
01:40:18.560 --> 01:40:20.229
good.
01:40:20.239 --> 01:40:23.990
But this is a guy who could very easily
01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:26.470
shoot this number up rapidly. If he just
01:40:26.480 --> 01:40:28.629
kicks like he did in the preseason games
01:40:28.639 --> 01:40:31.669
and we're like, I don't know, nine 10
01:40:31.679 --> 01:40:33.030
games into the season and it's still
01:40:33.040 --> 01:40:35.030
just going like that. Like forget this
01:40:35.040 --> 01:40:36.790
four out of 10 crap. Like he he's going
01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:39.669
to get a proper number right away. Um,
01:40:39.679 --> 01:40:40.550
>> yeah,
01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:42.790
>> but for now I have to give him a four
01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:44.470
out of 10 because of the low low
01:40:44.480 --> 01:40:46.790
confidence that I have. And then Matt
01:40:46.800 --> 01:40:49.510
Orzac gets a four out of 10. Just a
01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:51.830
underwhelming below average long
01:40:51.840 --> 01:40:55.510
snapper. And then for return specialist,
01:40:55.520 --> 01:40:57.830
I gave Skyore a six out of 10. I think
01:40:57.840 --> 01:40:58.790
he's going to be a little bit better
01:40:58.800 --> 01:41:02.629
than average, but I am I want to I want
01:41:02.639 --> 01:41:03.990
to see what they do because maybe it's
01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:06.709
going to be better than expected.
01:41:06.719 --> 01:41:09.830
And I do think that Skymore is the type
01:41:09.840 --> 01:41:13.030
of returner who
01:41:13.040 --> 01:41:15.189
could
01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:16.870
inspire
01:41:16.880 --> 01:41:18.950
better blocking from the rest of special
01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:21.750
teams if they believe that he has a
01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:23.750
chance to pop one.
01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:26.709
>> Yeah. So, I'm giving him a six, but
01:41:26.719 --> 01:41:29.270
again, that could climb. Bo Melton we've
01:41:29.280 --> 01:41:30.790
seen as a returner. I'm giving him a
01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:32.229
three out of 10. I don't think he's that
01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:34.310
good as a returner.
01:41:34.320 --> 01:41:35.189
>> What about Savia?
01:41:35.199 --> 01:41:37.189
>> Hopefully.
01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:39.350
I I don't think Savon's good at
01:41:39.360 --> 01:41:42.390
anything. So,
01:41:42.400 --> 01:41:43.990
>> third round picky. Sick third round
01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:44.790
pick.
01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:47.510
>> I didn't include anybody who's hurt in
01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:50.550
this ratings. If Savon was on here
01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:53.350
instead of J. Michael Sturdivan, the
01:41:53.360 --> 01:41:54.870
wide receiver rating would have been a
01:41:54.880 --> 01:41:58.390
little bit lower. If Colin Oliver was on
01:41:58.400 --> 01:41:59.910
here, the rating would have been a
01:41:59.920 --> 01:42:02.229
little bit lower.
01:42:02.239 --> 01:42:04.070
If Musgrave was in the tight end room,
01:42:04.080 --> 01:42:07.830
the rating would have been a lot lower.
01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:10.790
So, yeah, I'm I'm not I don't miss
01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:13.590
anybody who's injured right now except
01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:17.109
for Micah Parsons.
01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:18.310
>> And you could Yeah, you could say like,
01:42:18.320 --> 01:42:20.470
"Oh, what about Josh Jacobs?" We already
01:42:20.480 --> 01:42:23.270
said last week we want him off the team.
01:42:23.280 --> 01:42:23.910
So
01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:25.510
>> yeah,
01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:27.109
>> the sure the the rating of the running
01:42:27.119 --> 01:42:29.669
back room would go up in terms of how
01:42:29.679 --> 01:42:31.350
much talent you think they have as a as
01:42:31.360 --> 01:42:32.229
a
01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:33.350
>> football player, but
01:42:33.360 --> 01:42:34.310
>> yeah.
01:42:34.320 --> 01:42:37.109
>> So 5.9 for me from the specialist. Did
01:42:37.119 --> 01:42:38.950
you settle on six or on seven?
01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:40.470
>> I six.
01:42:40.480 --> 01:42:42.550
>> I think Adamitis would I I By the way,
01:42:42.560 --> 01:42:45.109
punters I think it's Wheelan and it's
01:42:45.119 --> 01:42:47.750
Michael Dixon. Those are the two bests
01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:49.430
in the league.
01:42:49.440 --> 01:42:50.149
>> Pretty fair.
01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:52.550
>> Those are the two best I think. Um,
01:42:52.560 --> 01:42:58.390
yeah. So, I'll take that. I I EPA also
01:42:58.400 --> 01:43:04.070
agrees, by the way. So,
01:43:04.080 --> 01:43:05.830
well, you've been waiting. You want to
01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:08.790
know what the uh combined special teams
01:43:08.800 --> 01:43:11.189
grade is?
01:43:11.199 --> 01:43:13.430
If you can believe it, the combined
01:43:13.440 --> 01:43:19.189
special teams grade is a 6.5.
01:43:19.199 --> 01:43:22.470
The fans The fans brought it up because
01:43:22.480 --> 01:43:24.709
they gave special teams
01:43:24.719 --> 01:43:27.270
>> 7.7.
01:43:27.280 --> 01:43:29.270
>> Wow. Fans think the defense gonna stink.
01:43:29.280 --> 01:43:32.310
Got it.
01:43:32.320 --> 01:43:34.390
>> So, here's what we got. Everybody thinks
01:43:34.400 --> 01:43:38.149
the defense is bad. How dare you. And
01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:43.350
the offense can do no wrong.
01:43:43.360 --> 01:43:45.590
Luckily playing against a lot of rookies
01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:48.070
in the front seven week one against
01:43:48.080 --> 01:43:52.310
Minnesota. So that's that's helpful.
01:43:52.320 --> 01:43:54.390
>> Weighting each position group and
01:43:54.400 --> 01:43:57.350
combining it all for the full roster
01:43:57.360 --> 01:44:00.629
I have. Remember offense for me was 7.1,
01:44:00.639 --> 01:44:04.310
defense was 6.2, special teams was 5.9.
01:44:04.320 --> 01:44:08.390
So my rating for the entire roster is
01:44:08.400 --> 01:44:12.950
6.6.
01:44:12.960 --> 01:44:15.430
Adding in your votes or your ratings and
01:44:15.440 --> 01:44:18.950
the listeners ratings, we have 7.1 for
01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:21.590
offense, exactly the same as mine. 6.8
01:44:21.600 --> 01:44:24.149
for defense, slightly higher than mine,
01:44:24.159 --> 01:44:27.510
and 6.5 for special teams, pretty
01:44:27.520 --> 01:44:29.030
significantly higher than mine.
01:44:29.040 --> 01:44:29.270
>> Sure.
01:44:29.280 --> 01:44:32.390
>> And that averages out to or it weights
01:44:32.400 --> 01:44:37.030
out to 6.9 out of 10. That's how
01:44:37.040 --> 01:44:40.950
>> you and me and the and the educated
01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:43.669
educated loyal listeners view this team
01:44:43.679 --> 01:44:46.149
is a 6.9 n out of 10.
01:44:46.159 --> 01:44:48.790
>> It's where we want to be.
01:44:48.800 --> 01:44:50.470
>> It's right we got it right where we want
01:44:50.480 --> 01:44:52.629
them really. Uh
01:44:52.639 --> 01:44:53.910
>> if you guys enjoyed this, maybe we
01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:55.270
should do the coaching stuff
01:44:55.280 --> 01:44:55.669
>> maybe
01:44:55.679 --> 01:44:56.709
>> in a future episode.
01:44:56.719 --> 01:44:59.109
>> Right where we want them. just just
01:44:59.119 --> 01:45:02.790
above average enough where maybe maybe
01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:06.550
if everything breaks right
01:45:06.560 --> 01:45:11.430
could happen but probably not. Okay.
01:45:11.440 --> 01:45:13.510
>> Thanks for the happy jewels for this.
01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:17.669
>> Ted Jewels happy poop. Fantastic. No.
01:45:17.679 --> 01:45:19.990
>> Uh all right. Any final thoughts from
01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:21.990
you before we get out of here, Jake?
01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:23.910
>> No, but next week, man, we're'll be
01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:25.990
previewing real football for the
01:45:26.000 --> 01:45:27.510
Packers. Previewing real football next
01:45:27.520 --> 01:45:28.550
week. Good. Wow.
01:45:28.560 --> 01:45:29.590
>> Feels so good.
01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:33.270
>> We've almost made it for for for the
01:45:33.280 --> 01:45:34.550
college and the college football
01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:35.910
enthusiasts. We have made it
01:45:35.920 --> 01:45:39.030
essentially. Um maybe not if you count
01:45:39.040 --> 01:45:40.390
week zero. If you don't count week zero,
01:45:40.400 --> 01:45:42.070
then it's kind of a couple days, but
01:45:42.080 --> 01:45:44.149
we're we're here. We are
01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:46.629
>> Week zero did not really have a a banger
01:45:46.639 --> 01:45:48.709
slate, but weeks a lot better.
01:45:48.719 --> 01:45:50.629
>> Yeah, it's a little better. I I
01:45:50.639 --> 01:45:52.470
mistakenly thought Texas Ohio State was
01:45:52.480 --> 01:45:55.990
this week uh not next week and that hurt
01:45:56.000 --> 01:46:00.470
me a little, not gonna lie.
01:46:00.480 --> 01:46:02.229
It was a little disappointed.
01:46:02.239 --> 01:46:04.310
>> Yeah. No, this week we have uh Ohio
01:46:04.320 --> 01:46:06.229
State Ball State. A lot less exciting.
01:46:06.239 --> 01:46:09.750
>> Very, very sick. Um
01:46:09.760 --> 01:46:12.470
>> yeah,
01:46:12.480 --> 01:46:13.910
>> very good.
01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:15.270
>> We're gonna wrap up and get out of here.
01:46:15.280 --> 01:46:17.590
Thanks for participating in the poll.
01:46:17.600 --> 01:46:19.430
Thanks for listening to us for almost
01:46:19.440 --> 01:46:21.510
two and a half hours. We appreciate you.
01:46:21.520 --> 01:46:23.030
We'll be back here next week to preview
01:46:23.040 --> 01:46:25.270
the Minnesota Vikings and you will get
01:46:25.280 --> 01:46:27.669
our official picks.
01:46:27.679 --> 01:46:31.990
I'm excited. The NFL is finally almost
01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:33.990
back.
01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:36.629
We will catch you guys next Tuesday,
01:46:36.639 --> 01:46:37.910
7:15 Central.
01:46:37.920 --> 01:46:41.750
>> Next Tuesday will be NFL Eve.
01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:42.629
>> That's true.
01:46:42.639 --> 01:46:46.229
>> It will be football eve essentially. Uh,
01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:48.229
which didn't think about that because
01:46:48.239 --> 01:46:50.790
not usually a Wednesday, but that's
01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:52.070
pretty cool.
01:46:52.080 --> 01:46:52.709
>> What's a
01:46:52.719 --> 01:46:54.950
>> guys like Christmas Eve, guys? I just
01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:56.629
What are we going to do with ourselves?
01:46:56.639 --> 01:46:58.790
Get the cookies, get some milk, uh, for
01:46:58.800 --> 01:46:59.270
next week.
01:46:59.280 --> 01:47:01.189
>> What's a better football holiday? NFL
01:47:01.199 --> 01:47:05.030
Eve or Ed Policy Day Eve?
01:47:05.040 --> 01:47:06.550
>> Probably not Ed Policy Day Eve. Ed
01:47:06.560 --> 01:47:10.470
Policy Day, perhaps. I think NFL does a
01:47:10.480 --> 01:47:13.189
better Eve than Ed Policy Day. I think
01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:15.350
NFL draft Eve is pretty good, too. Can't
01:47:15.360 --> 01:47:15.750
lie.
01:47:15.760 --> 01:47:18.310
>> NFL draft Eve is is
01:47:18.320 --> 01:47:20.470
that's peak. That's peak. All right,
01:47:20.480 --> 01:47:21.990
we're getting out of here. Have a great
01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:26.760
night, you guys. Go Pack. Go.