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A note to listeners before we begin. Today's story deals with violence against a
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transgender individual, as well as transphobic
behavior and language from some characters which may
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be triggering. These are for the
purposes of historical accuracy and do not reflect
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mine the caste or the crew's opinions. Listener discretion is advised. As a
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writer and researcher, I put as
much thought as possible into every character of
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every script. Am I being fair
to this person? Would they have said
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something to this effect or behaved in
this particular way if they were hearing my
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retelling of their story, would they
say? What the fuck were you reading?
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Or whole Skylar, It's almost like
you were there. I truly hope
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the latter. Back when I was
planning out this season with the high hopes
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that my husband and I could juggle
working full time, planning a wedding,
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honeymooning, and creating the best true
crime podcast the Side of the Mississippi,
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I knew I wanted to dedicate our
June episodes to stories about the LGBTQ plus
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community. After all, that is
the one month where I get a full
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thirty days to force my sexual orientation
onto society. So we all become gay,
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right sarcasm that is dripping with sarcasm. Please don't clutch your parls too
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closely. Well, here we are
now October or maybe even Christmas by the
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time this airs, who knows,
Pride Month is over. But I still
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want to share with you stories of
my community because they're so important. Never
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in my wildest dreams did I ever
imagine having to use these stories to fight
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the Supreme Court. I mean,
hello, you helped band abortions on everyone,
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including children, and now you're planning
on making my marriage illegal. Remembering
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season one when I talked about the
Dudler of San Francisco and how back then
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it was illegal to have gay sex
between two consenting adults and just how absurd
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that seemed. Yeah, well we
might just be back to that point,
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baby, seriously, just as Clarence
Thomas can sit on a prickly cactus and
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spin, I mean, he'd probably
like it. Of course, as usual,
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I'm getting off topic, right,
history and making its subjects proud.
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When thinking about today's protagonist, Angie
Zapata, I was conflicted about how I
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wanted to portray her. I mean, she lived very much as a woman,
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using she her pronouns and not her
birth name. Angie was all woman.
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I considered an approach like The Share
Show, which was a musical I
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was privileged enough to see back in
twenty nineteen, they bypass SHARE's son,
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Chaz, being born biologically female.
So do I do that with Angie?
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Make her Angie from birth out of
respect? And then I thought about the
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whole point of why I'm doing this
story. Transgender individuals were once not considered
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a group protected under hate crime laws. Angie being born male is incredibly important
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to the story because she is transgender. Today's story, as she'll soon here,
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begins with Angie's childhood. I'm using
her dead name and he him pronounced,
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and I want it to be super
clear that this is not out of
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disrespect to Angie or members of the
trans community. I'm telling her story and
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I want it to be as accurate
as possible from beginning to end, and
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show why it's still so incredibly relevant
to our lives today in twenty twenty two
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and beyond. Welcome to the Original
Dead Time Stories, a podcast where I
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Skyler Baston now Jones go beyond the
crime to investigate human psychology and history.
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So maybe we don't make the same
mistakes of our ancestors. If you're enjoying
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our show and you want to support
us more, head on over to patreon
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dot com slash og deadtime. Our
story will begin after these messages. As
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now on with the show, or
should I say, on with the miss
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us Latina pageant. The crowd is
eating up all of the gorgeous dresses of
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these flawlessly faced women to stand before
the judges, holding hands, smiles brightening
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their faces as tears slowly roll down
their cheeks. Just how does that makeup
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manage to stay in place? The
MC takes the microphone envelope in hand.
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Okay, okay, I think we're
all ready to see who are next?
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Miss you? What latiner? Before
I announced the winner, remember this,
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I will only read the winner's name. The name not called is the first
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runner up, which is still a
very important role. Should our winner not
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be able to perform her duties,
the first runner up will step in now,
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Miss you Slatina nineteen ninety nine is
Miss Justin Zippota from Fort Laftoncato.
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Thank you, thank you. It's
just an honor to be here. Really,
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ten year old Justin Zipota paraded through
his mother's living room, grinning as
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he pushed the long blue towel back
from his forehead. How do I get
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my hair so long and silky?
Simple? I used Aquanette, the Brandon
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Queen's Justin Amho, what are you
doing with that towel on your head?
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I just washed it and my high
heels. My baby, you're gonna hurt
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yourself. Sorry. Mom, here's
the towel. It's not really dirty glass.
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Yes, what are you doing in
here? And what was that about?
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Miss Latina America? Miss us Latina? Mom? That's what I want
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to be when I grow up.
I see PRINCESSA. Well you cong grace
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us with that some other day.
Today, Rochelle's outside and she wants you
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to go out and play a fueta
being. Yeah, mik us on,
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make sure you're back before it's dark. Please I will. Maria picked up
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the blue towel and slowly folded it, shaking her head. She wasn't mad
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at her son, quite the contrary, he mevia mevia the world is not
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as kind as we wanted to be. Young, Justin grew up his desire
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to be miss Us Latina, never
fading by the time he was in middle
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school, he knew he was different
than the other guys in his class.
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He'd come out to Rochelle telling her
that he liked boys, and she had
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absolutely no problem with this. On
one particular afternoon, the two found themselves
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that their usual hangout TJ's, the
local convenience store. Jess, you absolutely
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are not allowed to like Nick.
I'm in love with Nick. Girl.
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Nick. Would it give you the
time of day if you were cheer captain?
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Okay, maybe not, But Jess, he's not gay. It's nothing
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against you. But like, you
can't just turn a straight guy like bat
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Well, it wouldn't really be me. He'd be dating. What do you
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mean, I don't like that look
in your eye. I've been wanting to
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tell you this for a while,
but oh no. Justin glanced at the
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end of the aisle, where two
girls clad in low rise jeans and unbuttoned
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polo sporting the Appercrombie and Fitch logo
leered back at him. Oh look,
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Jessica, there's that queer boy.
Quick put your snack of Rooney's back.
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I don't want to catch what she
has. Come on, let's get out
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of here. Wait, are those
the girls you said? We're real caddy
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with you in third period? Yeah? Oh hell no, Hey, Rochelle
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reached into her purse and hurled a
tube of lip gloss at them. Oh
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what is wrong with you? You? I hear y'all a real bitch to
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my boy Justin, and I ain't
gonna have it. You got a problem
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with the facty gay? Please?
Baby? The only gross thing he is
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you're showing up your time to tittis
to the whole football team and letting them
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take turns finger and you'll pussy out
the practice. What who? Even?
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All the girls from your church camp
tell me they call you lunch meet Lindsay,
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and that's the only thing gross and
tjs as if let's get out of
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here, Lindsay, we don't shop
with freaks. And for the record,
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the girls at church start rumors about
me because I'm the best in the choir.
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Let's go, Jessica. How'd you
know she goes to church? I
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don't. I just saw red and
spat out whatever mean thing I could.
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I guess she really is making a
touchdown with the jocks. Thanks, Rochelle,
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that was real cool. Don't mention
it. Now, let's get out
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nachos and oh Yeah, what were
you saying about Nick not dating you?
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Well, when we go back to
your house, I want to show you
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something, but you have to promise
not to wear it out. Okay with
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you never now? Give me those
ships. When they got to Rochelle's house,
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Justin immediately made a bee line for
the bathroom and locked himself inside.
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Rochelle pranced impatiently in the hallway over
the course of an hour, having finished
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her nachos and diet coke, and
moving on to Justin's portion. Jess,
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hurry up, what could you possibly
be doing it? Okay, okay,
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hang on. When the door opened
up, it revealed a totally transformed Justin.
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His face was caked with makeup,
eyelashes coated with mascara, and his
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longer hair carefully straightened with little curls
at the end. Gone where the boys
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clothes his mother had bought, and
instead appeared jeans and a nicely fit shirt
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from the ladies department, stuffed in
the chest with a few pairs of socks.
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Well, what do you think?
Oh my god, Jess, you're
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damn it. You had it than
me. I mean, my boobs aren't
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nicer than yours, at least of
course they are. You get to you
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sucks. God, Justin, I
can't believe. And that's another thing.
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I'm not Justin. I'm Angie.
Doesn't that just sound so sexy with a
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Mexican accent? Angelica, Angie,
it is? Oh my god, what
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did your mom say? Oh?
Your brother? Oh? I about Justin
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has loved it. I haven't actually
told them yet, Jess. Angie,
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you gotta tell them. This is
real important. They love you, so
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they'll be okay with it. God, I hope, so, I really
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really hope. So I let you
guys who wants popcorn? Angie had decided
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that tonight was going to be the
night. Rochelle was right. Her family
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loved her. They wouldn't care if
she told them the truth. And what
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better time to come out than when
you're sitting around telling secrets with your whole
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family on girls' night. Pass me
the popcorn, mamma, here you go
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me a hell all right, chees
mosas let's continue playing Super Secret time Ashley
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Europe. Okay, well, don't
call me an angel anymore, mamma,
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because I'm not a virgin. Yo, Ashley, Oh we all do that.
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You've always been boy crazy. It
was only a matter of time before
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you got laid. How big was
his thing? I nan, Yes,
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let's not make this vulgar. Sorry, Mop, but Justin's right, it's
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a valid question. One look for
Maria was all it took for her other
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daughter, Stephanie, to know it
was time to pipe down. Yes,
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okay, I know what am I
gonna do with you? Hey? Mom,
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you're the one who agreed to play
cc CCC. Okay, Stephanie,
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your turn, but please don't make
it sexual. I won't, but I
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hope you still love me. See, I'm not as boy crazy as Ashley
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because I'm a lesbian. You mad
never, my sweet girl. A mother
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always loves her children, and a
mother always knows when her child is homosexual.
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Okay, Justin your turn. Angie
looked between her mother and her siblings,
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her palm sweating, and the popcorn
threatening to come back up. Well,
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Mamma, it's kind of like Stephanie. I like boys a lot.
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Done will love you so much more
because of that, Justin. That's just
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it, though. I like boys, but I'm not a boy. I've
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always felt like a woman. Justin. When you were in second grade,
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your teacher told me that you went
to the girl's restroom at school? Is
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this why? Yes, mamma.
I didn't want to peek at them or
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anything. I was just supposed to
be in there. Does anyone want any
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more popcorn? I'll go mix some
more. Yo, mom, you can't
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treat Justin like that. He was
so brave. I see, Stephanie.
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I do not have a problem with
Justin wanting to be a woman. It's
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the world that will. That teacher
called me into her school and do you
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know what she said, No,
ma'am. She said it was disgusting that
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a boy should think he belongs in
a girl's bathroom. People would think,
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my sweet baby boy, he's my
bottle. And that's why I'm crying.
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Mama, here's my beautiful girl.
Oh sorry, I wanted to wash the
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bawl out before we put more popcorn
in it. I'll go check on Ashley.
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Mama. I don't want you to
be upset. No, me vida,
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But you don't like the clothes I
buy you or the way I nag
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about keeping your hair so short?
Do you No? I wanted to make
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you happy, but those things aren't
me, Mama. I hate my carpenter
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jeans and ball haircut. I want
my hair to flow and wear makeup like
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Ashley and walking high el And I
was afraid to tell you, oh miha,
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no care. I didn't want to
put you in those feminine clothes picked
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out because the world is not kind
to gay little boys and surely will not
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be kind to a boy who wants
to be a girl. I don't want
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to be a girl, mamma.
I am a girl, I know.
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But the world, this town,
they don't see things like you do,
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like we do. I come from
Mexico, where they teach you a man
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is a man and a woman is
a woman. But I am a mother
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that loves her children no matter what. So Justin, if you want to
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be Justine, I will love you
just as much. Now let's go back
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and start that movie. Huh Justine, Actually, mamma, it's Angie and
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Jacca's bada. Maria allowed herself a
smile, of course, Come on,
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Angie, let's go watch the movie
with your sisters. So, Stephanie,
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your brother Justin really lived like that? You mean my sister? Yeah,
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Angie lived as a woman. No, no, now we're talking about Justin.
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Freeze frame on this awful lady's face. She is Annette Condelius. You
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remember Professor Umbradge from Harry Potter.
Yeah, these two would get along.
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Oh so well, it's now April
sixteenth, two thousand and nine, several
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years after Angie announced she was trans, and nine months after her sister Monica
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entered an apartment to find Angie's battered, bloody body covered in a blanket.
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Annette was one of the defense lawyers
in the case who decided to use he
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hymn pronouns and the dead named Justin
any chanced he got. I can't help
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but assume that she doesn't believe being
trans is real. Okay, and Unfreeze,
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Yes, we're talking about Angie.
Sure, so your brother Justin.
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He didn't let people know he wasn't
really a woman. No, Angie was
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pretty open about that. She often
told guys right away. And these guys
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he told, how did he meet
them? I think she usually met them
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on sites like Moco Space. Freeze
again, sorry, I had no idea
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what Mocho Space was, and surprisingly
it seems to still exist today. Basically,
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it's a rip off of my Space, where users could send pictures and
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step messages e cards. You get
the idea and resume the tape and here
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it is. Oh, mgee,
Angie, girl, this is the key
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utest a little apartment. I know, right. Mama was so nervous about
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me moving to Greeley, and even
though I told her I'd be fine,
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she got her own spot a few
walks away. Oh, she loved you
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so much. She really does.
Sit down, I'll give you something to
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drink. Rochelle plopped onto Angie's less
than comfortable foot on and looked around the
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petite, white wall department with a
smile. After constant harassment in high school
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and lack of support from the staff, Angie dropped out and moved to the
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quiet, fairly conservative town of Greeley, Colorado. Hope water is okay because
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that's all I got. It's perfect, okay, So tell me everything.
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Girl. It is tough. I
gotta get my cosmetology license if I want
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to go somewhere. But shit,
you need money to live. I've been
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babysitting my nieces and nephew, but
my sister can't pay all my bills.
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What are you gonna do? I
mean, I'm beautiful, so I might
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as well put myself to work.
You mean, like prostitution. Girls gotta
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do? What a girl's gotta do, Angie, it's not that serious.
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Look at this guy I've been talking
to on mucal space, this one with
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all the nasty ass tattoos, Angie, No, you can do so much
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better, girl. I know.
But he's kind of cute in a trashyway.
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We've been flirting back and forth,
and I think he's gonna come over
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for a few days. Mama just
needs to give him some kisses. Telling
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me it's pretty borrow some money for
gas, and I never talk to him
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again. Angie. It says he's
over thirty years old. He's ancient.
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Thirty one is not ancient. It
is when you're eighteen. What it's legal?
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I promise I'll be okay. I
just get the cash, have a
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little fun. Nobody gets hurt.
Oh thank god it's him. I have
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to take this. I'll see you, sir. Just be careful please,
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I will okay, Bye, Allen. Our story will continue after a few
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brief messages. M And now back
to the story. Hey, baby,
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Ellen, Yeah, sure, it's
cool if I stay here a few days.
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Obviously, I know he just met, So I sleep on the foodton
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and you can sleep in my bed. Cool? Should we go or all
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right the courthouse? Are you really
really really sure you don't mind coming with
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me? Heck no, babe.
All my girls have gone with me,
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so I can go with them.
M What would I do while you're out?
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Make out on myself? Okay,
great, let's go. Hey,
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Justin, haven't seen you here in
a while. Where's your sisters? And
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bah? This nk Barbie. This
is Ellen and Drade, my handsome new
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man friends. Allen. This is
Barbie, my beautiful slave to the government.
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Oh, it ain't that bad,
and it's nice to meet you.
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Pumpkin. You know the drill sign
in here? Please wait a second government
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name. Sorry, but rules are
rules, right? Sorry? Thank you,
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sugar. Hope to not see y'all
back here again. The defense team
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is not correct, Ladies and gentlemen. This is Brandy Nieto, the kind,
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wonderful pronoun proper prosecuting attorney, and
yes I am biased. She paced
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before the jury, ready to fight
for an This was not a snap decision.
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The defendant knew for approximately thirty six
hours that Angie was biologically male.
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The day before she was murdered,
the court heard the case of Greeley versus
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Justin Zapata and mister Androde was right
there with her. The court staff knew
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Angie was trans and when she came
she was usually with one of her sisters.
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Seeing a man with her, this
man right here, in fact,
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set the office into a tizzy of
gossip. None of them is going to
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point to Alan Androtte and say that's
the man that was here. I'm speaking
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miss Condelius, and actually we have
women who are ready to testify your client
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was there. But we'll get to
that when the time comes. For now,
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let's talk more about what mister Andrade
did with Angie after court. Oh
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oh yeah, maybe just like that, but use your tongue a little fuck.
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Look at me more coming. Oh
ah, you like that, babe.
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Heck, you're better than other girls. I fucked. Thanks. Yeah,
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I got a question about yesterday.
Oh shit, hold up that baby.
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I gotta go watch one because kids, I'll be back later. We
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can order Chinese or something. Okay. Bye. It was the third day
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of Alan crashing at Angie's apartment and
something wasn't sitting right with him. He
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waited for the sound of his new
girl's pet cruiser to drive off into the
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distance before getting off the couch and
perusing the home. Damn got so many
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fucking photos. He bit down on
one of his fingernails as he leaned in
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closer to a family portrait on the
wall. As he chewed the nail off,
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he counted the number of women.
Mom, three sisters, Oh,
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brother, who fox? This ugly
boy? Oh shit, hey justin haven't
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seen you here in a while?
Where's your sisters? And bah? This
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song? Oh fuck no, this
pitch is a dude. A dude fucking
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suck my cock. It fucking violated
me that queer. Enraged with this new
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realization, Alan crashed on the couch
and waited. We don't know what he
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did for the rest of the day
as he's kept those details close to his
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chest, but eventually Angie returned,
Hey baby, oh those kids wear Oh
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are you a dude? What a
man? A guy, a boy,
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a queer? All these picks got
to do a dinnim. Angie smiled at
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Alan. I am all woman.
Let me see this. Hey. Alan
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forcefully grabbed Angie, holding her in
place by the neck with one hand as
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the other squeezed the place her legs
met. Feeling what he suspected, Alan
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shoved Angie to the ground. The
fucking christ you are a dude. You
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got a fucking dick man, Baby, I stay on the ground, you
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fucking free. With a shriek,
Angie was pushed away as Alan punched her
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over and over, screaming obscenities the
whole time. Eventually, Angie fell to
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the ground with a gasp. She
cowered, holding her hands over her head.
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Fucking animal, you fucking monster.
Alan looked around, unable to control
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his anger. His eyes locked onto
a fire extinguisher and he ripped it off
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the wall, smashing it into Angie's
skull, not once, but twice.
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Great man, Now I gotta fucking
clean this place up. Fucking bullshit,
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fucking bullshit. So I'm fucking queer
coming hand. Now, I gotta fucking
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deal with all this shit. Fucking
bullshit. It's fucking stupid, bullshit,
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fucking idiot what Alan turned to see
Angie groggy, sitting up, holding her
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head and trying to get her vision
to focus. Are you fucking serious?
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Stay down? With one final bash
of the red fire extinguisher to her skull,
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Angie was down for the count.
Alan shook his head and covered the
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woman with a blanket, letting the
blood soak into it while he grabbed her
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car keys and purse and exited stage
Right. Back at the trial, Detective
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Greg Thorpe sat confidently on the witness
stand before Brandy Nieto. Angie's sister,
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Monico was the one who found her
pulverized body and reported it to the police.
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When they were searching the apartment for
clues, Monica told them Angie often
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borrowed her pet Cruiser, which was
now missing. They assumed whoever stole that
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car also stole Angie's life, and
you found the car, yes, ma'am.
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Two weeks after Angie was found dead, we received a noise complaint in
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Thornton. I'm gonna move a bar
just like all right, budd Come on,
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turn the music off and show me
your hands. Drinking and driving,
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huh? Not a good move,
buddy. As soon as he saw me,
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he reached under his seat like he
was going for a gun or something.
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Freeze, keep those hands where I
can see him. Sorry. That
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vehicles the one missing from the pot
up mark. Careful how you approach him.
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He didn't put up a fight.
We got him handcuffed and in our
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possession shortly after arrival. Good morning, Sunshine, I got a few questions
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for you. Let me show you
a picture of somebody here. Do you
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know that individual? You've never seen
that picture? No, not at all.
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Okay, let's talk about that PT
cruiser. It's not yours, is
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it? Nope? Do you know
who it belongs to? Nah? I
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kind of got it through bad luck. You know, I was walking around
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the neighborhood and I mean not really
in my neighborhood, and like I got
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a bad habit from you know,
when I was younger looking at vehicles,
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you know, bad habit. Anyway, I do that come across the keys
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and dumb, dumb ask me figured, Oh, you know, it's a
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cool little ride for two three days, has guys in it, So I
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take it. I see, well, that person's photo I showed you it
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was her car and she was found
dead on July seventeenth. Oh damn.
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And we also know you use Moco
space to talk with women. Incidentally,
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that individual's phone number popped up several
times on your phone, and I know
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you spent time with this person because
you stopped messaging a few days before the
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body was found. Are you guys
are gonna blame it on me? Men?
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While this woman you were talking to
Angie. Her family says she was
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born justin We think you killed her
because she was deceiving you, tricking you
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into thinking she was something she wasn't, using you as a piece in her
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game. I just want to say
I don't have a problem with Angie being
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trans This was my interrogation tactic,
make him admit Angie was deceiving him.
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Meg Allan think I was on his
side. I pressed on, I think
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something happened to your brother. Yeah, I'm done. Although there was more
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to the interrogation video, it was
ruled not admissible in court. After Alan
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had told them he was done,
Greg kept pressing until Alan finally confessed that
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he murdered Angie. However, Alan
telling them that he was done was seen
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as him invoking his right to remain
silent. This was fine with the prosecution,
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though, because they had two of
Alan's ex girlfriends to bring to the
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stand. Thank you, Miss Tyree. So, ladies and gentlemen, through
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Miss Tyree's calls with mister Andrade,
we learned that he killed someone. Ain't
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no going back now. I mean, it's not like I just went up
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to a school teacher and shot her
in the head. Or a law abiding
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straight citizen. As mister Andrade said, Remember, ladies and gentlemen, we're
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here to not only prove that mister
Andrada murdered Angie Zapata, but this this
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was a hate crime against a transgender
woman. To further prove this hatred,
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I'd like to bring Miss Felicia Mendoza
to the stand. Please, Hello,
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miss Mendoza, can you tell us
about your calls with mister Andrade. Yeah,
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I didn't like, no, I'd
killed no one yet. I was
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just like more confused than anything.
And I can just talk to him through
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my phone. Yes, but remember
these calls are recorded, right, babe,
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what are you doing here? I
missed you so daying much. It
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was a mistake, I totally you
know when it happened. It happened,
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Would you do somebody? Somebody died? Who died? When I wasn't talking
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to you, I started trying to
meet people and I met this person,
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this female. I thought it was
a female, and then I found out
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on a meeting that it wasn't and
I I just snapped, I swear,
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did you kill some money? I
can't say that we're on the phone.
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You're gonna be gone forever and like
you didn't realize that, Like, like
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I understand you about mad, you
fucking snap, But when you're doing that,
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like, why couldn't you just suck
it up in just like a minute
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and just fucking leave, Like after
you fucking realize that you why couldn't you
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just think of me? Like when
you're doing that, I don't know that
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happens to freaking fast and so hard. I could have stopped. I swear,
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well, you know, all people
are like talking about you. Erica's
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man kind of got me mad yesterday
because he was like, what's up with
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your boyfriend? And I was like, what, Erica's man, my best
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friend's boyfriend. We'll tell him.
I'll kill him too. Shut up,
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baby, don't say that. Damn
it. My phone's all dying. Your
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phone's always dying. It's gay.
I'll go charget. Gay things need to
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die. Gay things need to die. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury.
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Those words make it clear that Alan
Androde did not like members of the LGBT
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community. This is about an unreasonable
and deep seated anger. Mister Androde unleashed
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on Angie Zapata on July sixteenth because
she was a transgender woman or transgender girl
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because she was only eighteen years old. Mister Andrade had time to think about
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this, between hearing the clerks call
Angie Justin to spending an afternoon piecing together
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that Angie had childhood photos of herself
as a man. He could have left,
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but instead chose to stay in the
apartment, confront Angie and kill her.
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Flora's yours, Miss Condelius, Ladies
and gentlemen. I underst stand the
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case of Justin's about him maybe confusing
and difficult to wrap your head around.
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The prosecution has not made it clear
what mister Androwde's intent was if he had
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killed Justin. Was it because Justin
was choosing to be a woman, or
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was it because he lied to Allen
and those comments in prison, Those were
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not homophobic remarks. It was mister
androw Day's way of joking with his girlfriend
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about the fact that he was in
jail for something he didn't do. I
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think it's important for everyone to know
mister Androwde is not some kind of monster
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as some have portrayed. He is
a good person and has feelings and he
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does care. He does have a
lot of people who care about him and
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he does care about them as well. Please remember that as you deliberate,
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and I urge all of you to
consider a lesser charge for this man,
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spare him life in prison. The
jury quietly filed out to deliberate. Brandy's
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palms moistened as she began to worry
whether her team had done enough to show
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the jury that this was a hate
crime. Up until this point, it
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seems there had only been one instance
an attorney attempted to file their transgender clients
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murder as a hate crime, the
two thousand and two murder of Gwen Arajo
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in California. Attempted to make her
murderers guilty of a hate crime, but
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although they were found guilty of murder, the jury decided it was not a
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hate crime. For Angie and Colorado. If this jury decided that Alan was
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guilty of the murder and it was
deemed a bias motivated crime, history would
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be made. Your honor. We
either jury found mister Allan and Dry guilty
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for first degree murder, aggravated motor
vehicle theft, identity theft he had used
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Angie's credit cards to pay for gas
multiple times, and bias motivated crime.
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Thank you mister Andrade, for first
degree murder, I have to give you
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a mandatory sentence of life in prison. But as you know, the prosecution
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earlier filed habitual criminal charges against you. This was just in case the jury
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found him guilty of a lesser crime
than first degree murder. The prosecuting attorneys
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knew that habitual criminal charges would quadruple
alan sentence. If they couldn't get him
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life, they could come pretty darmed
close. Looking at your records, it
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is clear to me that you are
a habitual criminal, which means for identity
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theft twenty four years, vehicle theft
twenty four years, hate crime charges twelve
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years. For those counting, that's
an additional sixty years. Angie's story is
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an extremely important one for us to
tell, since this was the first time
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the murder of a transgender victim was
considered a hate crime. As I'm writing
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this, it's July of twenty twenty
two. Abortion has been turned over to
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the states to decide if they want
to ban it or not, and our
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super Christian Supreme Court wants to consider
marriage equality this upcoming fall. Now,
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I don't know what the future holds. I hope to God that it's nothing
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but good things, but right now
it all feels really negative. Right after
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Angie's case in October of two thousand
and nine, then President Obama signed the
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Matthew Shepherd Act into law, which
recognized gender, sexual orientation, and gender
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identity to federal hate crime laws.
This bipartisan bill passed Congress in two thousand
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and seven, but then President George
W. Bush threatened to veto it if
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it passed, and the law was
dropped. Growing up with a super right
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wing Republican mama, I didn't understand
why people thought Georgie Porgie was incompetent.
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I get it now. At that
time, groups like Focus on the Family
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were basically saying that hate crime laws
would create a special class of victims and
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affect people's freedom of speech. Now, I interpret that to mean that they
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were afraid hate crime laws would end
people killing someone like Angie because the murderer
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would get a heavier sentence, and
that therefore meant people weren't able to make
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a statement of hating LGBTQ plus individuals
by murdering them. I could be wrong,
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but that's just how I interpret it, and that is disgusting. I
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also want to point out just how
frustrating the defense team made me while I
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was researching this story. Annett Kundelius
had no shame in using Angie's dead name
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or incorrect pronouns, and tried to
make Alan out to be this kind man.
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At one point in the trial,
her team even went as far as
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saying, at best, this is
a case about passion. When Justin smiled
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at him, this was a highly
provoking act and it would cause someone to
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have an aggressive reaction. This type
of defense tactic became known as the gay
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panic defense, meaning the defendant reacted
so violently because they totally lost control of
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themselves due to the victim's sexual orientation
or gender identity. In short, victim
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blaming, I suppose a net and
gang would also argue that victims of rape
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wouldn't have been sexually assaulted if they
just didn't wear skirts. For those wondering
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where this lovely woman is today,
don't worry. In twenty nineteen, she
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was appointed a judge who presides over
domestic relations, dependency and neglect and adoption
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matters in Division two in Weld County
rad on the plus side. In twenty
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twenty, Colorado became the eleventh State
to ban the LGBTQ panic defense in the
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courtroom. Hey, any victory is
still a victory? Do say? Trans
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was written and near rated by me
Skyler Fasten now Jones and executive produced by
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Daniel Faston now Jones. Voice talent
was provided by Jeremy Staple, Jeanette Zosh,
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Jordan Catcher, Crystal Mosley, Kayla
Esmond, Katrina, Marie Nunez,
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and Daniel Fasten now Jones. Our
theme music was written and performed by Tracy
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Zailes. Thank you for tuning in
to another episode of our show. If
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didn't have time to cover today.
Want to know more about her badass moment
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at the local gas station, then
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over there real soon. Our murderous
road trip across America continues in one week
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with a stop in Utah. You
might want to go to church on Sunday
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so you're all prepped up for this
episode. You'll see what I mean.
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Until then, stay safe out there. I don't want you to become the
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next chapter's topic on the original Dead
Time Stories. This was a little bit
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fast in our production.
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A note to listeners before we begin. Today's story deals with violence against a
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transgender individual, as well as transphobic
behavior and language from some characters which may
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be triggering. These are for the
purposes of historical accuracy and do not reflect
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mine the caste or the crew's opinions. Listener discretion is advised. As a
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writer and researcher, I put as
much thought as possible into every character of
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every script. Am I being fair
to this person? Would they have said
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something to this effect or behaved in
this particular way if they were hearing my
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retelling of their story, would they
say? What the fuck were you reading?
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Or whole Skylar, It's almost like
you were there. I truly hope
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the latter. Back when I was
planning out this season with the high hopes
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that my husband and I could juggle
working full time, planning a wedding,
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honeymooning, and creating the best true
crime podcast the Side of the Mississippi,
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I knew I wanted to dedicate our
June episodes to stories about the LGBTQ plus
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community. After all, that is
the one month where I get a full
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thirty days to force my sexual orientation
onto society. So we all become gay,
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right sarcasm that is dripping with sarcasm. Please don't clutch your parls too
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closely. Well, here we are
now October or maybe even Christmas by the
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time this airs, who knows,
Pride Month is over. But I still
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want to share with you stories of
my community because they're so important. Never
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in my wildest dreams did I ever
imagine having to use these stories to fight
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the Supreme Court. I mean,
hello, you helped band abortions on everyone,
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including children, and now you're planning
on making my marriage illegal. Remembering
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season one when I talked about the
Dudler of San Francisco and how back then
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it was illegal to have gay sex
between two consenting adults and just how absurd
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that seemed. Yeah, well we
might just be back to that point,
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baby, seriously, just as Clarence
Thomas can sit on a prickly cactus and
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spin, I mean, he'd probably
like it. Of course, as usual,
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I'm getting off topic, right,
history and making its subjects proud.
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When thinking about today's protagonist, Angie
Zapata, I was conflicted about how I
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wanted to portray her. I mean, she lived very much as a woman,
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using she her pronouns and not her
birth name. Angie was all woman.
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I considered an approach like The Share
Show, which was a musical I
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was privileged enough to see back in
twenty nineteen, they bypass SHARE's son,
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Chaz, being born biologically female.
So do I do that with Angie?
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Make her Angie from birth out of
respect? And then I thought about the
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whole point of why I'm doing this
story. Transgender individuals were once not considered
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a group protected under hate crime laws. Angie being born male is incredibly important
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to the story because she is transgender. Today's story, as she'll soon here,
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begins with Angie's childhood. I'm using
her dead name and he him pronounced,
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and I want it to be super
clear that this is not out of
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disrespect to Angie or members of the
trans community. I'm telling her story and
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I want it to be as accurate
as possible from beginning to end, and
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show why it's still so incredibly relevant
to our lives today in twenty twenty two
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and beyond. Welcome to the Original
Dead Time Stories, a podcast where I
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Skyler Baston now Jones go beyond the
crime to investigate human psychology and history.
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So maybe we don't make the same
mistakes of our ancestors. If you're enjoying
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our show and you want to support
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dot com slash og deadtime. Our
story will begin after these messages. As
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now on with the show, or
should I say, on with the miss
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us Latina pageant. The crowd is
eating up all of the gorgeous dresses of
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these flawlessly faced women to stand before
the judges, holding hands, smiles brightening
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their faces as tears slowly roll down
their cheeks. Just how does that makeup
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manage to stay in place? The
MC takes the microphone envelope in hand.
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Okay, okay, I think we're
all ready to see who are next?
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Miss you? What latiner? Before
I announced the winner, remember this,
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I will only read the winner's name. The name not called is the first
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runner up, which is still a
very important role. Should our winner not
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be able to perform her duties,
the first runner up will step in now,
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Miss you Slatina nineteen ninety nine is
Miss Justin Zippota from Fort Laftoncato.
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Thank you, thank you. It's
just an honor to be here. Really,
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ten year old Justin Zipota paraded through
his mother's living room, grinning as
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he pushed the long blue towel back
from his forehead. How do I get
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my hair so long and silky?
Simple? I used Aquanette, the Brandon
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Queen's Justin Amho, what are you
doing with that towel on your head?
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I just washed it and my high
heels. My baby, you're gonna hurt
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yourself. Sorry. Mom, here's
the towel. It's not really dirty glass.
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Yes, what are you doing in
here? And what was that about?
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Miss Latina America? Miss us Latina? Mom? That's what I want
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to be when I grow up.
I see PRINCESSA. Well you cong grace
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us with that some other day.
Today, Rochelle's outside and she wants you
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to go out and play a fueta
being. Yeah, mik us on,
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make sure you're back before it's dark. Please I will. Maria picked up
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the blue towel and slowly folded it, shaking her head. She wasn't mad
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at her son, quite the contrary, he mevia mevia the world is not
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as kind as we wanted to be. Young, Justin grew up his desire
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to be miss Us Latina, never
fading by the time he was in middle
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school, he knew he was different
than the other guys in his class.
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He'd come out to Rochelle telling her
that he liked boys, and she had
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absolutely no problem with this. On
one particular afternoon, the two found themselves
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that their usual hangout TJ's, the
local convenience store. Jess, you absolutely
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are not allowed to like Nick.
I'm in love with Nick. Girl.
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Nick. Would it give you the
time of day if you were cheer captain?
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Okay, maybe not, But Jess, he's not gay. It's nothing
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against you. But like, you
can't just turn a straight guy like bat
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Well, it wouldn't really be me. He'd be dating. What do you
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mean, I don't like that look
in your eye. I've been wanting to
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tell you this for a while,
but oh no. Justin glanced at the
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end of the aisle, where two
girls clad in low rise jeans and unbuttoned
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polo sporting the Appercrombie and Fitch logo
leered back at him. Oh look,
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Jessica, there's that queer boy.
Quick put your snack of Rooney's back.
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I don't want to catch what she
has. Come on, let's get out
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of here. Wait, are those
the girls you said? We're real caddy
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with you in third period? Yeah? Oh hell no, Hey, Rochelle
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reached into her purse and hurled a
tube of lip gloss at them. Oh
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what is wrong with you? You? I hear y'all a real bitch to
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my boy Justin, and I ain't
gonna have it. You got a problem
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with the facty gay? Please?
Baby? The only gross thing he is
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you're showing up your time to tittis
to the whole football team and letting them
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take turns finger and you'll pussy out
the practice. What who? Even?
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All the girls from your church camp
tell me they call you lunch meet Lindsay,
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and that's the only thing gross and
tjs as if let's get out of
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here, Lindsay, we don't shop
with freaks. And for the record,
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the girls at church start rumors about
me because I'm the best in the choir.
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Let's go, Jessica. How'd you
know she goes to church? I
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don't. I just saw red and
spat out whatever mean thing I could.
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I guess she really is making a
touchdown with the jocks. Thanks, Rochelle,
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that was real cool. Don't mention
it. Now, let's get out
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nachos and oh Yeah, what were
you saying about Nick not dating you?
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Well, when we go back to
your house, I want to show you
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something, but you have to promise
not to wear it out. Okay with
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you never now? Give me those
ships. When they got to Rochelle's house,
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Justin immediately made a bee line for
the bathroom and locked himself inside.
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Rochelle pranced impatiently in the hallway over
the course of an hour, having finished
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her nachos and diet coke, and
moving on to Justin's portion. Jess,
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hurry up, what could you possibly
be doing it? Okay, okay,
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hang on. When the door opened
up, it revealed a totally transformed Justin.
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His face was caked with makeup,
eyelashes coated with mascara, and his
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longer hair carefully straightened with little curls
at the end. Gone where the boys
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clothes his mother had bought, and
instead appeared jeans and a nicely fit shirt
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from the ladies department, stuffed in
the chest with a few pairs of socks.
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Well, what do you think?
Oh my god, Jess, you're
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damn it. You had it than
me. I mean, my boobs aren't
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nicer than yours, at least of
course they are. You get to you
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sucks. God, Justin, I
can't believe. And that's another thing.
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I'm not Justin. I'm Angie.
Doesn't that just sound so sexy with a
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Mexican accent? Angelica, Angie,
it is? Oh my god, what
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did your mom say? Oh?
Your brother? Oh? I about Justin
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has loved it. I haven't actually
told them yet, Jess. Angie,
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you gotta tell them. This is
real important. They love you, so
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they'll be okay with it. God, I hope, so, I really
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really hope. So I let you
guys who wants popcorn? Angie had decided
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that tonight was going to be the
night. Rochelle was right. Her family
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loved her. They wouldn't care if
she told them the truth. And what
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better time to come out than when
you're sitting around telling secrets with your whole
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family on girls' night. Pass me
the popcorn, mamma, here you go
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me a hell all right, chees
mosas let's continue playing Super Secret time Ashley
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Europe. Okay, well, don't
call me an angel anymore, mamma,
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because I'm not a virgin. Yo, Ashley, Oh we all do that.
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You've always been boy crazy. It
was only a matter of time before
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you got laid. How big was
his thing? I nan, Yes,
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let's not make this vulgar. Sorry, Mop, but Justin's right, it's
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a valid question. One look for
Maria was all it took for her other
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daughter, Stephanie, to know it
was time to pipe down. Yes,
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okay, I know what am I
gonna do with you? Hey? Mom,
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you're the one who agreed to play
cc CCC. Okay, Stephanie,
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your turn, but please don't make
it sexual. I won't, but I
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hope you still love me. See, I'm not as boy crazy as Ashley
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because I'm a lesbian. You mad
never, my sweet girl. A mother
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always loves her children, and a
mother always knows when her child is homosexual.
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Okay, Justin your turn. Angie
looked between her mother and her siblings,
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her palm sweating, and the popcorn
threatening to come back up. Well,
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Mamma, it's kind of like Stephanie. I like boys a lot.
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Done will love you so much more
because of that, Justin. That's just
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it, though. I like boys, but I'm not a boy. I've
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always felt like a woman. Justin. When you were in second grade,
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your teacher told me that you went
to the girl's restroom at school? Is
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this why? Yes, mamma.
I didn't want to peek at them or
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anything. I was just supposed to
be in there. Does anyone want any
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more popcorn? I'll go mix some
more. Yo, mom, you can't
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treat Justin like that. He was
so brave. I see, Stephanie.
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I do not have a problem with
Justin wanting to be a woman. It's
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the world that will. That teacher
called me into her school and do you
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know what she said, No,
ma'am. She said it was disgusting that
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a boy should think he belongs in
a girl's bathroom. People would think,
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my sweet baby boy, he's my
bottle. And that's why I'm crying.
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Mama, here's my beautiful girl.
Oh sorry, I wanted to wash the
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bawl out before we put more popcorn
in it. I'll go check on Ashley.
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Mama. I don't want you to
be upset. No, me vida,
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But you don't like the clothes I
buy you or the way I nag
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about keeping your hair so short?
Do you No? I wanted to make
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you happy, but those things aren't
me, Mama. I hate my carpenter
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jeans and ball haircut. I want
my hair to flow and wear makeup like
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Ashley and walking high el And I
was afraid to tell you, oh miha,
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no care. I didn't want to
put you in those feminine clothes picked
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out because the world is not kind
to gay little boys and surely will not
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be kind to a boy who wants
to be a girl. I don't want
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to be a girl, mamma.
I am a girl, I know.
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But the world, this town,
they don't see things like you do,
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like we do. I come from
Mexico, where they teach you a man
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is a man and a woman is
a woman. But I am a mother
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that loves her children no matter what. So Justin, if you want to
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be Justine, I will love you
just as much. Now let's go back
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and start that movie. Huh Justine, Actually, mamma, it's Angie and
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Jacca's bada. Maria allowed herself a
smile, of course, Come on,
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Angie, let's go watch the movie
with your sisters. So, Stephanie,
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your brother Justin really lived like that? You mean my sister? Yeah,
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Angie lived as a woman. No, no, now we're talking about Justin.
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Freeze frame on this awful lady's face. She is Annette Condelius. You
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remember Professor Umbradge from Harry Potter.
Yeah, these two would get along.
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Oh so well, it's now April
sixteenth, two thousand and nine, several
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years after Angie announced she was trans, and nine months after her sister Monica
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entered an apartment to find Angie's battered, bloody body covered in a blanket.
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Annette was one of the defense lawyers
in the case who decided to use he
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hymn pronouns and the dead named Justin
any chanced he got. I can't help
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but assume that she doesn't believe being
trans is real. Okay, and Unfreeze,
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Yes, we're talking about Angie.
Sure, so your brother Justin.
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He didn't let people know he wasn't
really a woman. No, Angie was
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pretty open about that. She often
told guys right away. And these guys
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he told, how did he meet
them? I think she usually met them
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on sites like Moco Space. Freeze
again, sorry, I had no idea
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what Mocho Space was, and surprisingly
it seems to still exist today. Basically,
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it's a rip off of my Space, where users could send pictures and
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step messages e cards. You get
the idea and resume the tape and here
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it is. Oh, mgee,
Angie, girl, this is the key
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utest a little apartment. I know, right. Mama was so nervous about
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me moving to Greeley, and even
though I told her I'd be fine,
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she got her own spot a few
walks away. Oh, she loved you
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so much. She really does.
Sit down, I'll give you something to
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drink. Rochelle plopped onto Angie's less
than comfortable foot on and looked around the
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petite, white wall department with a
smile. After constant harassment in high school
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and lack of support from the staff, Angie dropped out and moved to the
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quiet, fairly conservative town of Greeley, Colorado. Hope water is okay because
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that's all I got. It's perfect, okay, So tell me everything.
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Girl. It is tough. I
gotta get my cosmetology license if I want
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to go somewhere. But shit,
you need money to live. I've been
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babysitting my nieces and nephew, but
my sister can't pay all my bills.
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What are you gonna do? I
mean, I'm beautiful, so I might
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as well put myself to work.
You mean, like prostitution. Girls gotta
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do? What a girl's gotta do, Angie, it's not that serious.
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Look at this guy I've been talking
to on mucal space, this one with
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all the nasty ass tattoos, Angie, No, you can do so much
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better, girl. I know.
But he's kind of cute in a trashyway.
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We've been flirting back and forth,
and I think he's gonna come over
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for a few days. Mama just
needs to give him some kisses. Telling
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me it's pretty borrow some money for
gas, and I never talk to him
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again. Angie. It says he's
over thirty years old. He's ancient.
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Thirty one is not ancient. It
is when you're eighteen. What it's legal?
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I promise I'll be okay. I
just get the cash, have a
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little fun. Nobody gets hurt.
Oh thank god it's him. I have
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to take this. I'll see you, sir. Just be careful please,
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I will okay, Bye, Allen. Our story will continue after a few
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brief messages. M And now back
to the story. Hey, baby,
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Ellen, Yeah, sure, it's
cool if I stay here a few days.
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Obviously, I know he just met, So I sleep on the foodton
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and you can sleep in my bed. Cool? Should we go or all
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right the courthouse? Are you really
really really sure you don't mind coming with
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me? Heck no, babe.
All my girls have gone with me,
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so I can go with them.
M What would I do while you're out?
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Make out on myself? Okay,
great, let's go. Hey,
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Justin, haven't seen you here in
a while. Where's your sisters? And
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bah? This nk Barbie. This
is Ellen and Drade, my handsome new
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man friends. Allen. This is
Barbie, my beautiful slave to the government.
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Oh, it ain't that bad,
and it's nice to meet you.
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Pumpkin. You know the drill sign
in here? Please wait a second government
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name. Sorry, but rules are
rules, right? Sorry? Thank you,
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sugar. Hope to not see y'all
back here again. The defense team
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is not correct, Ladies and gentlemen. This is Brandy Nieto, the kind,
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wonderful pronoun proper prosecuting attorney, and
yes I am biased. She paced
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before the jury, ready to fight
for an This was not a snap decision.
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The defendant knew for approximately thirty six
hours that Angie was biologically male.
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The day before she was murdered,
the court heard the case of Greeley versus
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Justin Zapata and mister Androde was right
there with her. The court staff knew
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Angie was trans and when she came
she was usually with one of her sisters.
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Seeing a man with her, this
man right here, in fact,
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set the office into a tizzy of
gossip. None of them is going to
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point to Alan Androtte and say that's
the man that was here. I'm speaking
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miss Condelius, and actually we have
women who are ready to testify your client
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was there. But we'll get to
that when the time comes. For now,
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let's talk more about what mister Andrade
did with Angie after court. Oh
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oh yeah, maybe just like that, but use your tongue a little fuck.
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Look at me more coming. Oh
ah, you like that, babe.
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Heck, you're better than other girls. I fucked. Thanks. Yeah,
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I got a question about yesterday.
Oh shit, hold up that baby.
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I gotta go watch one because kids, I'll be back later. We
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can order Chinese or something. Okay. Bye. It was the third day
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of Alan crashing at Angie's apartment and
something wasn't sitting right with him. He
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waited for the sound of his new
girl's pet cruiser to drive off into the
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distance before getting off the couch and
perusing the home. Damn got so many
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fucking photos. He bit down on
one of his fingernails as he leaned in
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closer to a family portrait on the
wall. As he chewed the nail off,
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he counted the number of women.
Mom, three sisters, Oh,
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brother, who fox? This ugly
boy? Oh shit, hey justin haven't
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seen you here in a while?
Where's your sisters? And bah? This
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song? Oh fuck no, this
pitch is a dude. A dude fucking
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suck my cock. It fucking violated
me that queer. Enraged with this new
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realization, Alan crashed on the couch
and waited. We don't know what he
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did for the rest of the day
as he's kept those details close to his
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chest, but eventually Angie returned,
Hey baby, oh those kids wear Oh
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are you a dude? What a
man? A guy, a boy,
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a queer? All these picks got
to do a dinnim. Angie smiled at
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Alan. I am all woman.
Let me see this. Hey. Alan
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forcefully grabbed Angie, holding her in
place by the neck with one hand as
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the other squeezed the place her legs
met. Feeling what he suspected, Alan
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shoved Angie to the ground. The
fucking christ you are a dude. You
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got a fucking dick man, Baby, I stay on the ground, you
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fucking free. With a shriek,
Angie was pushed away as Alan punched her
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over and over, screaming obscenities the
whole time. Eventually, Angie fell to
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the ground with a gasp. She
cowered, holding her hands over her head.
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Fucking animal, you fucking monster.
Alan looked around, unable to control
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his anger. His eyes locked onto
a fire extinguisher and he ripped it off
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the wall, smashing it into Angie's
skull, not once, but twice.
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Great man, Now I gotta fucking
clean this place up. Fucking bullshit,
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fucking bullshit. So I'm fucking queer
coming hand. Now, I gotta fucking
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deal with all this shit. Fucking
bullshit. It's fucking stupid, bullshit,
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fucking idiot what Alan turned to see
Angie groggy, sitting up, holding her
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head and trying to get her vision
to focus. Are you fucking serious?
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Stay down? With one final bash
of the red fire extinguisher to her skull,
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Angie was down for the count.
Alan shook his head and covered the
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woman with a blanket, letting the
blood soak into it while he grabbed her
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car keys and purse and exited stage
Right. Back at the trial, Detective
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Greg Thorpe sat confidently on the witness
stand before Brandy Nieto. Angie's sister,
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Monico was the one who found her
pulverized body and reported it to the police.
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When they were searching the apartment for
clues, Monica told them Angie often
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borrowed her pet Cruiser, which was
now missing. They assumed whoever stole that
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car also stole Angie's life, and
you found the car, yes, ma'am.
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Two weeks after Angie was found dead, we received a noise complaint in
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Thornton. I'm gonna move a bar
just like all right, budd Come on,
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turn the music off and show me
your hands. Drinking and driving,
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huh? Not a good move,
buddy. As soon as he saw me,
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he reached under his seat like he
was going for a gun or something.
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Freeze, keep those hands where I
can see him. Sorry. That
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vehicles the one missing from the pot
up mark. Careful how you approach him.
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He didn't put up a fight.
We got him handcuffed and in our
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possession shortly after arrival. Good morning, Sunshine, I got a few questions
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for you. Let me show you
a picture of somebody here. Do you
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know that individual? You've never seen
that picture? No, not at all.
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Okay, let's talk about that PT
cruiser. It's not yours, is
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it? Nope? Do you know
who it belongs to? Nah? I
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kind of got it through bad luck. You know, I was walking around
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the neighborhood and I mean not really
in my neighborhood, and like I got
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a bad habit from you know,
when I was younger looking at vehicles,
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you know, bad habit. Anyway, I do that come across the keys
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and dumb, dumb ask me figured, Oh, you know, it's a
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cool little ride for two three days, has guys in it, So I
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take it. I see, well, that person's photo I showed you it
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was her car and she was found
dead on July seventeenth. Oh damn.
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And we also know you use Moco
space to talk with women. Incidentally,
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that individual's phone number popped up several
times on your phone, and I know
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you spent time with this person because
you stopped messaging a few days before the
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body was found. Are you guys
are gonna blame it on me? Men?
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While this woman you were talking to
Angie. Her family says she was
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born justin We think you killed her
because she was deceiving you, tricking you
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into thinking she was something she wasn't, using you as a piece in her
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game. I just want to say
I don't have a problem with Angie being
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trans This was my interrogation tactic,
make him admit Angie was deceiving him.
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Meg Allan think I was on his
side. I pressed on, I think
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something happened to your brother. Yeah, I'm done. Although there was more
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to the interrogation video, it was
ruled not admissible in court. After Alan
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had told them he was done,
Greg kept pressing until Alan finally confessed that
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he murdered Angie. However, Alan
telling them that he was done was seen
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as him invoking his right to remain
silent. This was fine with the prosecution,
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though, because they had two of
Alan's ex girlfriends to bring to the
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stand. Thank you, Miss Tyree. So, ladies and gentlemen, through
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Miss Tyree's calls with mister Andrade,
we learned that he killed someone. Ain't
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no going back now. I mean, it's not like I just went up
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to a school teacher and shot her
in the head. Or a law abiding
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straight citizen. As mister Andrade said, Remember, ladies and gentlemen, we're
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here to not only prove that mister
Andrada murdered Angie Zapata, but this this
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was a hate crime against a transgender
woman. To further prove this hatred,
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I'd like to bring Miss Felicia Mendoza
to the stand. Please, Hello,
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miss Mendoza, can you tell us
about your calls with mister Andrade. Yeah,
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I didn't like, no, I'd
killed no one yet. I was
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just like more confused than anything.
And I can just talk to him through
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my phone. Yes, but remember
these calls are recorded, right, babe,
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what are you doing here? I
missed you so daying much. It
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was a mistake, I totally you
know when it happened. It happened,
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Would you do somebody? Somebody died? Who died? When I wasn't talking
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to you, I started trying to
meet people and I met this person,
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this female. I thought it was
a female, and then I found out
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on a meeting that it wasn't and
I I just snapped, I swear,
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did you kill some money? I
can't say that we're on the phone.
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You're gonna be gone forever and like
you didn't realize that, Like, like
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I understand you about mad, you
fucking snap, But when you're doing that,
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like, why couldn't you just suck
it up in just like a minute
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and just fucking leave, Like after
you fucking realize that you why couldn't you
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just think of me? Like when
you're doing that, I don't know that
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happens to freaking fast and so hard. I could have stopped. I swear,
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well, you know, all people
are like talking about you. Erica's
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man kind of got me mad yesterday
because he was like, what's up with
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your boyfriend? And I was like, what, Erica's man, my best
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friend's boyfriend. We'll tell him.
I'll kill him too. Shut up,
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baby, don't say that. Damn
it. My phone's all dying. Your
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phone's always dying. It's gay.
I'll go charget. Gay things need to
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die. Gay things need to die. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury.
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Those words make it clear that Alan
Androde did not like members of the LGBT
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community. This is about an unreasonable
and deep seated anger. Mister Androde unleashed
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on Angie Zapata on July sixteenth because
she was a transgender woman or transgender girl
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because she was only eighteen years old. Mister Andrade had time to think about
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this, between hearing the clerks call
Angie Justin to spending an afternoon piecing together
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that Angie had childhood photos of herself
as a man. He could have left,
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but instead chose to stay in the
apartment, confront Angie and kill her.
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Flora's yours, Miss Condelius, Ladies
and gentlemen. I underst stand the
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case of Justin's about him maybe confusing
and difficult to wrap your head around.
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The prosecution has not made it clear
what mister Androwde's intent was if he had
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killed Justin. Was it because Justin
was choosing to be a woman, or
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was it because he lied to Allen
and those comments in prison, Those were
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not homophobic remarks. It was mister
androw Day's way of joking with his girlfriend
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about the fact that he was in
jail for something he didn't do. I
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think it's important for everyone to know
mister Androwde is not some kind of monster
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as some have portrayed. He is
a good person and has feelings and he
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does care. He does have a
lot of people who care about him and
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he does care about them as well. Please remember that as you deliberate,
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and I urge all of you to
consider a lesser charge for this man,
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spare him life in prison. The
jury quietly filed out to deliberate. Brandy's
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palms moistened as she began to worry
whether her team had done enough to show
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the jury that this was a hate
crime. Up until this point, it
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seems there had only been one instance
an attorney attempted to file their transgender clients
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murder as a hate crime, the
two thousand and two murder of Gwen Arajo
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in California. Attempted to make her
murderers guilty of a hate crime, but
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although they were found guilty of murder, the jury decided it was not a
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hate crime. For Angie and Colorado. If this jury decided that Alan was
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guilty of the murder and it was
deemed a bias motivated crime, history would
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be made. Your honor. We
either jury found mister Allan and Dry guilty
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for first degree murder, aggravated motor
vehicle theft, identity theft he had used
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Angie's credit cards to pay for gas
multiple times, and bias motivated crime.
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Thank you mister Andrade, for first
degree murder, I have to give you
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a mandatory sentence of life in prison. But as you know, the prosecution
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earlier filed habitual criminal charges against you. This was just in case the jury
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found him guilty of a lesser crime
than first degree murder. The prosecuting attorneys
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knew that habitual criminal charges would quadruple
alan sentence. If they couldn't get him
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life, they could come pretty darmed
close. Looking at your records, it
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is clear to me that you are
a habitual criminal, which means for identity
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theft twenty four years, vehicle theft
twenty four years, hate crime charges twelve
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years. For those counting, that's
an additional sixty years. Angie's story is
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an extremely important one for us to
tell, since this was the first time
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the murder of a transgender victim was
considered a hate crime. As I'm writing
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this, it's July of twenty twenty
two. Abortion has been turned over to
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the states to decide if they want
to ban it or not, and our
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super Christian Supreme Court wants to consider
marriage equality this upcoming fall. Now,
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I don't know what the future holds. I hope to God that it's nothing
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but good things, but right now
it all feels really negative. Right after
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Angie's case in October of two thousand
and nine, then President Obama signed the
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Matthew Shepherd Act into law, which
recognized gender, sexual orientation, and gender
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identity to federal hate crime laws.
This bipartisan bill passed Congress in two thousand
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and seven, but then President George
W. Bush threatened to veto it if
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it passed, and the law was
dropped. Growing up with a super right
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wing Republican mama, I didn't understand
why people thought Georgie Porgie was incompetent.
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I get it now. At that
time, groups like Focus on the Family
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were basically saying that hate crime laws
would create a special class of victims and
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affect people's freedom of speech. Now, I interpret that to mean that they
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were afraid hate crime laws would end
people killing someone like Angie because the murderer
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would get a heavier sentence, and
that therefore meant people weren't able to make
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a statement of hating LGBTQ plus individuals
by murdering them. I could be wrong,
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but that's just how I interpret it, and that is disgusting. I
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also want to point out just how
frustrating the defense team made me while I
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was researching this story. Annett Kundelius
had no shame in using Angie's dead name
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or incorrect pronouns, and tried to
make Alan out to be this kind man.
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At one point in the trial,
her team even went as far as
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saying, at best, this is
a case about passion. When Justin smiled
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at him, this was a highly
provoking act and it would cause someone to
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have an aggressive reaction. This type
of defense tactic became known as the gay
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panic defense, meaning the defendant reacted
so violently because they totally lost control of
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themselves due to the victim's sexual orientation
or gender identity. In short, victim
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blaming, I suppose a net and
gang would also argue that victims of rape
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wouldn't have been sexually assaulted if they
just didn't wear skirts. For those wondering
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where this lovely woman is today,
don't worry. In twenty nineteen, she
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was appointed a judge who presides over
domestic relations, dependency and neglect and adoption
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matters in Division two in Weld County
rad on the plus side. In twenty
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twenty, Colorado became the eleventh State
to ban the LGBTQ panic defense in the
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courtroom. Hey, any victory is
still a victory? Do say? Trans
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was written and near rated by me
Skyler Fasten now Jones and executive produced by
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Daniel Faston now Jones. Voice talent
was provided by Jeremy Staple, Jeanette Zosh,
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Jordan Catcher, Crystal Mosley, Kayla
Esmond, Katrina, Marie Nunez,
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and Daniel Fasten now Jones. Our
theme music was written and performed by Tracy
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over there real soon. Our murderous
road trip across America continues in one week
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with a stop in Utah. You
might want to go to church on Sunday
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so you're all prepped up for this
episode. You'll see what I mean.
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Until then, stay safe out there. I don't want you to become the
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next chapter's topic on the original Dead
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fast in our production.
