Mel Elorche - Code of Silence

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It's the Opperman Report and now here is investigator.
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Okay, welcome to the Opperman Report. I'm your host, Private investigator,
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Ed Opperman. You can get a hold of me at
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out to me through my email Opperman Investigations at gmail
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dot com. We've done a series of shows about this
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Gary DeVore. We started out with Gary Devor, who is
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the writer who's was discovered in this vehicle on the
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bottom of this reservoir with no hands and uh. We've
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interviewed many people about this with PI was involved in
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investigations and different people want books about it, articles about it,
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and the story just gets deeper and deeper and deeper.
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Mel elorshe is back. You can check out her on
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her substack. She got everybody's going on substack these days.
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Everybody that's substacked, I know, is going on the bed.
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Her substack is called called Code of Silence, and she's
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got a four part series on this story here and
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of all the other mysterious deaths going on in that
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little creepy town down there where it seems like everybody's
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involved in that criminal activity. Otherwise that there's going to
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be a fourth part of this series. She's been doing
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a series on Covert Action magazine, so you could check
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it out there, mel Iloche, are you there.
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I'm here, great, great introduction, Thank you so much. Yeah yeah,
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thanks for having me. Yeah yeah. Code of Silence it's
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a series about, you know, how police corruption actually silence
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a few I loved unsolved murders in the Antelope Valley
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right over thirty years.
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You know, before we get into this, remind you, audience, though,
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who is mel Ilosha a.
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Screenwriter first and foremost an investigative journalists?
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Gotcha? And so now you started on Substack, you and
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writing articles and working on a documentary film. But beyond
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Substack now right? Oh yeah, gotcha? So now you discovered
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this whole situation down here in little Block, Little Rock,
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para blossom by the Gary DeVore case. That's what sparked
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your interest.
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Yeah, a few years back, definitely. And and Matthew as
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you know Matthew because he interviewed him as well, right, friends,
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My Matthew offered uh a British professor, he wrote a
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book on the war, and he started investigating that and
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I sort of picked it up and years later, during
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my research, I just found out that he's murdered. He
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was definitely murdered. His body was found, his organs were
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all taken out, his DNA matched, his hands were caught off,
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and it's called a lot of media attention, et cetera.
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But his murder may have developing links to auto murders
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in the region, in the area. And so I looked
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into the murder of sheriff's Deputy John Algy Michelle Peach
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as a double homicide. Philip Priffitt and Maudgie had that
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link standish way back in the early nineties, ninety ninety four,
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and then in two thousand and three, deputy was savagely
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murdered in the desert of Lamo. Yeah, and a private
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investigator who researched most of these murderers disappeared and most
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definitely was murdered, but his body was never found. No, No,
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this is rob catsif and because then, yeah.
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Now, out of all these cases, you know, because we
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pretty much discovered that there's a methamphetamine operation going on
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down in this town. The cops are in on it,
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everybody the whole time. So it's the business of this town,
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is what they do. Right, is it make math now?
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But these people are they just passing through or are
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they part of the operation, Like, let's start with the war,
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like was the war just passing through.
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And witness yeah? Or witnesses of an exchange? Uh? You know, right,
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wrong time, wrong place. Especially in the case of Sheriff's
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Deputy John O. Jay, he may have stumbles led and
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so one of his brothers of the police sheriffs Department
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present I could have been there. Definitely. Yeah.
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If people go back and listen to the show. The
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last show we did in March of twenty twenty four, No.
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Twenty twenty five was just recently. Now go back and
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list we listen to that repeat, we go into the
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whole story about all j. He was this ultra marathon
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runner out there running and wound up dead out there
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in the middle of the desert. But no, no, AUJ.
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You think he stumbled onto something. You think he was
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part of the oppertation?
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No, no, no, he stumbled and he witnessed something. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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that methlet may have also been owned by Judge And
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how did he know that? So one of one of
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the articles of Quote of Silence is about Lieutenant Ron
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Shreve and Lieutenant Bron Shreeves was Lieutenant of the Lancaster
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Shares' Apartment and he initiated a joint test force this Eliot,
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SD and the DA to bring down six mass and
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satamine lab cells. They successfully did so, by the way,
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they arrested three hundred people in the end, but they
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also discovered two wire taps and outs of failance techniques
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that a methlet was mostly or likely owned by a judge. Really, yeah,
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I'm not going to mention the name, but it's in
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one of the articles.
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Yeah, so if we go to your sub stack, will
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find the name of this judge. Yeah, I'm part four,
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part four in the last one. And how come you
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don't want to mention the judge's name on the air, because.
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Well, I mean, they're allegedly Judge Steve Ogden was under
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the famous of Narcotics duera the before this joint test
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force the whole of internal documents and they found letters
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and a communication between the judge and people who were
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convicted of a crime. And according to the documents I've seen,
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it was more than a judge criminal communications, you understand it.
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It looked more like a friendship.
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Mm hm, Well, these small towns. You know, there's a
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lot of that stuff does go on, but usually you know,
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they try to at least give the appearance of propriety
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at least the.
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Right And I think that's why I had resident deputies, right.
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I mean, it's also geographical logic because it's it stretched
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sad plans. It cost a lot of money to have
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a you know, a station bombing there, So why not planned?
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Why not have a resident deputy on payroll and they
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live in their house and they operate on the house
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and and that's it. So they had at least two
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resident deputies, and one of them evolved at their climb
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brick Angles a little rock, and the other one later
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in in in two thousand and one, I think for
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one he came on a Stephen doctor Thornton resident Deputies
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and apparently he was very strict right with during his patrols. Yeah, well,
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things do happen in terms of I mean, how can
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you monitor that your resident deputy is not becoming corrupt?
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Mm hmm.
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If he has his own set of rules, how is
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that monitored? How is the has the recula I don't know. Apparently,
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and someone like resident Deputy Rick Angeles he clocked in
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by just calling the the radio person, you know, the
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person who who of the set. Call again the dispatch dispatchure. Yeah,
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I'm on. You know, it's nine o'clock and a clock
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off at five and a callback and that's it.
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Yeah. People that are not familiar with these areas Pair Blossom, Lancaster,
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these are very rural areas. They're spread out far. It's
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just a distance to drive, you know. So and and
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then these deputies, you know, they're out there. The only
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other people out there this you got to socialize with someone.
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You gotta have friends with some people, and the only
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other leave We're friends with the people out there there,
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you know, are out there in these motorcycle gangs and
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and doing these things, you know. And it's it's so
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isolated that the you know, you're making your own rules,
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their own rules exist out there in the middle of it,
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does it. It's just not like it is.
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Yeah, that's it, Yeah, exactly. And that area has a
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lot of abandoned minds too, right right, maybe the gold
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Rush in the in the nineteenth century. I think they
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are all over five homere abandoned mines in the area alone.
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So what about who is this Linn, I'm looking at
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your substack the Code of Silence Substack by mel Elosh
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And who is this, Linn Standish. Now that's an interesting murder.
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It has to be a murder. It's going to be
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a pipe. I'm involved.
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Yeah, So, I mean we were just talking about jazz area.
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You know, you don't have direct neighbors. You can sort
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of do whatever you want, right, you still have a
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resid his deputy. But still, I mean it's a whole
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different culture. So you see when you grow up there,
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people can make their own fireworks because normal is monitoring, right,
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So you had a culture, especially the kids, they built
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on fireworks. They compete it to one another, and it
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expands into bomb making and other types of things that
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can explode and you can impress other people with it.
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And Lindstandish she was found that as a victim of
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a pie bond. She's the middle of the desert with
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her two sons or two young sons than Jeffrey and Michael.
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She was, you know, scavenging. She was just going through rubberish.
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I guess thrash. I'm not entirely sure what she was
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looking for. I think you can recycle, you can retail
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and she opened a microwave and the microwave exploded and
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there was a pipeline minute apparently the timer.
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That someone got into her house and planted in our house.
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Then right, no, it's outside outside at outside in the
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middle of nowhere. Yeah, oh okay. Apparently she was lured
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into going there. She does, you know, sort of dress
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something for you there, go there. So she went over there.
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Yeah, Now was she involved in a drug trade or
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her family what was going with them?
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She was very a user. They found mess in the
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video of myth in her blood. I mean it's out
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of sever port shows the taxology support. So she bother
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or yeah, I think she may have been pretty to
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certain dealing god yeah, yeah, she will be the boyfriend
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at that time and he was, uh suspects.
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You know. It's so interesting too because these rural areas,
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especially these rural desert areas and like Needles, Arizona, these
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different areas of Kingman, you know, where there's so much
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meth and these people they're out, they're out on these
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echo almost like a junk yards where they live. You know,
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they would it's like chunk strewn everywhere and there's nothing
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to do. Why would they need stimulants to keep awake
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for days and do nothing. It's not like, you know,
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there's anything to do in those little towns.
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There's nothing there, nothing, No, it's it's so addictive, and
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it's all your brain, your brain, and it's it's it's
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sad in a way. I mean it's I know, it's
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just eventive opinions you, but it's it's really sad.
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Oh yeah, it's terrific. If you ever saw anybody with
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a math psychosis, man where they've been up for days
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and they're just crazy seeing things. Oh my god, I
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haven't eaten for days or slept for days. Which brings
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us to this young girl, this eighteen year old college
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kid that everybody said was a goodie goodie. This Michelle
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O'Keefe who died out there at eighteen years old. What's
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her story?
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So this this her she story? I mean she died
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in two thousands. The story story twenty second two thousand.
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Really it was very cold. She came back from she
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was an extra on a kid's rock music video. Shoot.
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Oh really?
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So yeah, she did the type of work and I
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just to she really wanted to break into acting. I
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mean that was allisurely. One of her ambitions, she came
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back with her friend Jennifer Peterson from that kid rock
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staping and she had parked her car before that at
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a parking ride parking lot in palmdal And between Highways
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fourteen and East Avenue, so they drove back in Jennifer
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Peterson's car. She set up, went to her own car
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and gave her friend some food. Her friend drove off.
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It just started to rain, and that was basically the
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last moon that wever. Then she just killed four shots
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in her face and her stomach.
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Yeah, But then when you get to part the real
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you said that some of her friends said she was
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a goodie goodie and some of her friends is know
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she was a party girl.
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During the trial of the first suspect who was later
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convicted and then much later accelerated, Yeah, they gave conflicted
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statements of her nature of Yeah.
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And soerly. Do you think she was just like a
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user or was she somebody who was like maybe like
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a trafficker delivering things?
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No? No, I think she was really popular high school
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student these ambitions. Perhaps she did experiment it, going out
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with boyfriends her girlfriends, Yet her Peters and boss a
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scout and the Sheriff's department, so she may have been
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in touch with law enforcements. You know, young guys look
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goodly guys back then. We don't know. I know that
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her family didn't think she was a virgin at the time.
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She didn't date, but there was a lot of friends
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who goes from the stand and gave her statements during
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the trial that she was definitely in a dating scene.
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don't you don't always confide in your parents about everything.
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she can't be totally innocent, and she's running around with
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Kid Rock, you know. I have a collage of photos
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of Kid Rock with the p Ditty, you know, and
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then they're wasted and never you texture. There's about twenty
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five different events they were hanging out together as buddies.
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he has a song talks about smoking funny things.
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So yeah, I mean, it is a good point. But
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she was only an X sign in a video shoot
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and she lived straight away.
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you know, they you know, they take advantage of those
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girls in those videos, you know, eighteen years old.
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Oh yeah, yeah, it's something to think of. Well, did
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you know is that according to her friends, she definitely
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wanted to get out of her clothes, so she was
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she didn't feel comfortable in her uh skirt, and she
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had a tube top. I think, yeah, she wanted to
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change show she was about to change into jeans, pair
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of jeans or a jacket or whatever in her car.
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But she was pound shot to death the same consome
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yeah and yeah, and her top was uh, someone took
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down her top, so.
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She was exposed eighteen years a little little kid, little kid,
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you know, that breaks your heart. And what about the
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double house side of Philip Prevatt and maj Mage. Oh yeah,
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I died.
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That's interesting because I haven't gotten into the fully, but
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I recently received the auto see reports. Very very interesting.
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It looks like a set of robbery. Still, the Prefet
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was thirty years old and Maggie was only eighteen. You know.
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According to his mother, a football star, it was very
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popular and he should not have been working in the
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store at that time. So this is double horble side.
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It occurred at F and M Market in Palmdom on
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September thirteenth in two thousands, So that's a few months
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after Michelle Kish murder. And Philip Privet had a brother
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who was convicted for helping this amphetamine business. It's Thomas Pinkel, right,
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that's it. So that was his semi And that's what
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I know.
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Yeah, because you know they do use they use convenience
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stores to order those that cough medicine and the you know,
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the antihistamines that they use in the manufacturer methamphetamines inter
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packets legally at a time, but the stores, you know,
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can order hundreds of packets at a time, you know,
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and then just have to account for them. Oh boy,
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you mentioned that before. This private investigator Katsif Rodney Katsif,
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now he was investigating the uh the.
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Uh well, actually a lot more because he was helping
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the first suspects on the Lynn Standish case had a
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private investigator and later on his attorney hired God Captive okay,
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And so he was working on this case of Lynn
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Standish and he found there were certain links to Jonathan A.
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J's murder or disappearance. We cannot still call it the
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murder because the body well never has never been found,
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not yet. But yeah, so he he wrote, he made notes,
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he made tape recordings. He was I think he was
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present at a chefon station owned by Larry craw Crawford too,
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a certain liaisonswitch, sheriff Deputy Rick Engels, and Mike Booth.
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So he was present there, and he witnessed certain exchanges.
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Now and in two thousand and one, he he disappeared
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from his house. His daughter was present, and sheriff deputies
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took away or some we don't know. Still we don't
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know who did it. But all of his stakes, recordings
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and note books disappeared from his house.
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And it says here too that some of the other
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witnesses either killed or disappeared in this in this investigation
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or this Lynn Standish case. So so the guy there is,
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do you have a suspect in mind who's really behind
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this microwave pipe bomb killing of Lynn Standish? Who is
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powerful enough to pull off that and start killing witnesses
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all over the joint?
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Yeah? No, I think it's multiple people, right, not not
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not only one? So Lynn Standish then they investigated that
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murder thing. Yeah, and I think it was a lead investigator,
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Joseph Holmes was there and they found and Rick Engels
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was present. He wrote one of the first supplemental reports.
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They found tire tracks leading to Thomas beIN Hinko's house
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and Thomas bin Hinkle was a very known, very known
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like Lenz POMPEII, very known mess and fetamine distributor. He
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had several labs. He managed the labs. He never was
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never present there, but he had his own He managed
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his own, uh sort of. His is an empire, if
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you can call it empire. So if he if he
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needed someone to disappear, or someone asked him, can he
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get rid of someone? He never did himself. I don't
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think he. He may have done with himself. I don't know,
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but I think they use certain people to get rid
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of others, whether it's a kidnapping murderer, or they use
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lie to have murder people decomposed very easily so he
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never can find the remains anymore. That is definitely around.
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I think they may have hired even tweakers, because people
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who are addicted are very very desperate right in a way,
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and very unstable. H Maybe, I mean definitely in the
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case of Stephen Sawrenson murder that could have happened. Tweakers
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for given money, is that he's beat the ship out
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of this guy, get rid of him. It's it's an
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easy way, right to say, Okay, I'm not involved, I'm
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a shareff's deputy, I'm an owner of a business. Why
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would I kill someone? Right, I'm clean, So I'm And
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you don't believe the tweakers because they always told bullshit.
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A tweaker talk it's easy.
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So you're talking about the murder of Japany Stephen Sorensen, right, Luca,
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tell us about that one. That's that's the more involved
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one here. You got a lot of content on this
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guy here.
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So Stephen Sorensen, he came late into the blue world,
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so speech. So he's because I think in his thirties
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and he came out of the academy and he was
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very ambitious, very ambitious guy, self righteous in a way,
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you know, and he was very attracted to the position
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of resident deputy. He was very well liked in the
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area where he became a sheriff in a resident deputy.
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It was Lano Lake, Los Angeles, actually, and he stood
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up for a lot of minority business owners, you know,
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Hispanic business owners, but for everyone he I think he
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tries to do an equal job. Son't speak, but he
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was not always the like because of his self righteousness.
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I mean, that's what his attorney toldhim later. I spoke
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to his attorney several a few months ago. So Steven Swillington,
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what happened? He was, uh, maybe a year into the job.
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He had a loss, and I will come back to
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the defamation lost it got good. I will come back
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to that. So what happened to him? In August? On
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the Saturday morning, he got a call of a disturbance
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on a property and apparently that had to do with
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someone who is easy there another trespasser about come on,
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help me out of the woods. Okay, he disturbance on
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the squatter, get squatter. And he had served this guy
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already like a burning before about someone called him and
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he came over and then further away gunshots were hurt.
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He was found uh killed I think a few miles
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not a few miles as like a quarter of a
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mile further down where his vehicles found m hm. And
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they found him these fourteen gun shots and his brain
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was not there anymore. They've sorry to use the orbit.
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They scooked it out. They was found in a bucket,
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So this is sort of an overkill. This is very
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this is this is a lot while Why fourteen gunshots
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and brains in a bucket? Right, this is this is extreme.
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And his patrol car was found near a trailer of
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someone who loved the desert. He sort of lift up
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the grid. His name was Donald Charles Keck And then
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I think about a Seventh Day man hunts and sued
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following the journal where his body was found. And then
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they found the car and I think Donald Charles kek
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was later he was killed by swat teams because he
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was found the main suspect of the murder of Stephen Soornson.
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Now a homicide detective. Chate some conversations with Donald Kak
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and his daughter during the man hunt. They they put
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a tape recorder on his daughter's phone just in case
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your dad is calling. You know, we need to know
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what he's selling him. And he told she has she
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asked her father, So he calls, right, Donald, Donald calls
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his daughter and and did you kill Deputy Stephen Seoranson?
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And he said no. Two tweakers were outside of my trailer.
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They did. They took my car his own take. I
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tried to get to take from homicide department. I still
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haven't governments, but anyway, it's own. Take a couple of.
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Questions, a couple of quick questions before you move on.
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Is uh with the on your substack? Here the code
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of silent substack. You got a bunch of pictures of
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this crime scene and some pictures of some dirt roads.
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You know what a desolated people should really get to
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look at this. Uh, get an idea of what we're
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talking about here, and then this when she's talking about
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these dwellings. These things are like campers and trailers they are.
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Living in, you know, yeah.
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All kinds of burned, you know, like fire damage going
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out all over the place. And you tell me that.
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So they killed it, and they killed the cop here,
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and then they move his body fourteen miles.
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No, no, no, a quarter of a mile.
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It's a quarter of a mile.
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Quarter quarter of a mile and to the I think
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lists So the patrol corners found Sudent's patrol corn of
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us found outside of the Donald text trainer, and then
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a quarter mile west they found uh Surrenton's body. As
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if he was dragged behind a vehicle, so it something
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did his arms above his head right is his whists
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were tied.
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Yeah, now I know this is Donald Keck. And there's
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there's a picture of Men two once again. If you
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go to the Substack the code of Silent Substack, there's
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a wanted poster of them. Then there's another Pubert looks
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like it's an arrest the photo here, and then there's
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a picture of them using like a tank with a
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battering ramp to shoot into one of these giants. So
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they came down with this l A p D. That's
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Los Angeles, came all the way down with this big
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giant tank to the UH insert into these buildings.
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Yeah, the you know the Sheriff's Department. They the Sheriff's Department,
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and UH has a Special Enforcement Bureau and the E
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S e V. Then there was their small teams. Yeah.
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Wow. So there's there's a big operation and they went
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down and to go.
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After this because it's one of them, right, it's one
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of one of the brothers. And during the men hunts
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and then they finally found Donald Cook in that pride
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in that house and a residence. He was still on
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the phone with Holmo Side Detective and Margin lilling Fields
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and apparently he confessed to have murdered Now I haven't
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hear the tapes. That's what they say he said. That's
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what they say he said. There's also a book written
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about this by d. N. Stillman. I think it's called
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Desert Reckoning. She does a lot of backfound work on
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Sorenson and Donald Keeck. You know how they grow up
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their childhoods Oh, do they know.
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Each other in childhood?
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No? No, no, okay, but they knew each other since
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ninety ninety five. I believe during a traffic altercation and
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that that was important. But because of that, that's what
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Donald Keik said to his daughter on the phone. Digit
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was recorded, Dave will never believe me. Dave will never
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believe me. Why would he say to his daughter who
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asked him, did you kill Deputy Steven Swinson? Why would
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he say, no, two teakers did that. They stole my car?
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Why would he Why would he come up with that?
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And then the second question I have, And not only that,
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but the second question, has he he knew they were
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going to after him because there was that block between
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Steven Sorenson and Donald Keck, Because of the traffic alplication.
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He didn't want to have anything to do with law enforcement,
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he wrote. Apparently he wrote the letters to the FBI.
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Now I did a request to the FBI. They do
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have holand on thirty four pages of this case, which
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will be released. But my sense is that Donald Keck
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was set up. Hm.
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What was the nature of this traffic altercation? Were they
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in a car accident together or was he stopped as
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a police traffic stop?
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I think he was stopped at the traffic I kind
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of remember the name, the exact details about the the
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traffic stop.
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Yeah, and then a sense that Sorenson was afraid for
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00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:19.880
his life. What was Sorenson afraid of?
479
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:26.280
Now that's that's where we get to the defamation, right, No,
480
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:30.920
that's pretty interesting. So, uh, he was He was killed
481
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:36.400
in August. But if he go back, he flashed backwards
482
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:40.159
to January of the year two thousand and three. He
483
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:44.400
found a the defamation lawsuit against four council members of
484
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:50.679
Lake Los Angeles because one of them had threatened him.
485
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:58.119
He she had she what's her name again, Harriman? I
486
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:05.719
believe surely Harriman. He was they she accused him of
487
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:14.280
being not not a Nazi, but definitely a corrupt deputy.
488
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:20.719
It's it's a very long case, and his attorney said
489
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:25.400
that he felt his life was in danger. Now one
490
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.280
of the council members called him, he was just on
491
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.800
the job, maybe a few days, then maybe a weekend.
492
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.800
He was just on a job. She called him, intimidating
493
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:41.760
him that she knows the sheriff, she knows certain deputies,
494
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:46.840
and that everyone always does what she wants. That that's
495
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:49.800
all in his declaration. I can see in the declaration,
496
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:55.840
but it's all in there. So she definitely pushed. I mean,
497
00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:02.360
she just unsolicitly, you know, invited herself into his life.
498
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:03.199
May speak.
499
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.679
Well, these small towns, you know, the city council. You know,
500
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:12.199
a new cop comes in. You know, that's not that's
501
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:14.679
not that unusual that they you know that they're pushing
502
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:19.199
their weight around. But it seems this defamation was Now
503
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:21.800
he was suing them for defamation. And it looks like
504
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:26.199
his widow settled this case with the defendants. Do we
505
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:27.800
know if she got a settlement. Do you know if
506
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:28.519
she made any money?
507
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:35.360
I cannot she did, you mean the council members or
508
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:37.039
Christine Sawanson.
509
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:37.960
The widow the widow, Christine.
510
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:42.800
I have never you know, I tried to reach her.
511
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.599
It's very very difficult. I don't think she wont talk
512
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:51.880
to anyone if if she's still with us, so speak.
513
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:56.239
I know his son because I'm still working on that
514
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.519
to talk to his son, Matthew Swaranson, his adopted son.
515
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.360
Okay, Bob.
516
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:04.679
In terms of the law, people know, but that's still
517
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:11.840
that's still yeah. I have questions about that because one
518
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.719
of the council members had a very close relationship with
519
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:19.840
two deputies. And these two deputies were older involved, not involved,
520
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:24.239
but they knew one of the resident deputies. I'm looking
521
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:25.519
into it's Rick Angels.
522
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.320
Now does Christine Sorenson? Does she still live in that town?
523
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:36.719
No, she moved away. I think she's still in language.
524
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:42.239
She moved out. She sold that house, that resident deputy's house, right,
525
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:47.239
she sold that in someone and was later interviewed by
526
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:48.360
the author of that book.
527
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:53.480
Now, what is the connection here? It says something about
528
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:58.519
this other deputy, Rick Angles, was connected to the It
529
00:38:58.559 --> 00:38:59.400
was suspected in the.
530
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:09.079
On and and and and you know other other What's
531
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:16.400
that so that Swans and apparently Stephen Swanson kept no
532
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:20.960
book And this is hearsay. But during one of the
533
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:25.360
depositions of the Darren Hagar case, and the Darren Hagar
534
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:31.119
case is uh a disc blower retaliation lawsuits this deputy
535
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:37.880
filed against Los Angeles Sheriff's departments. Then he was fired
536
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:46.519
because he found evidence evidence, but he had wire tips
537
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:51.519
and evidence the certain people were involved in the disappearance
538
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:55.679
of Sheriff's Deputy Jonathan Algy, but also more because they
539
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:00.239
they had recorded certain people and they've recorded also in
540
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:09.039
phone conversations between Summon Thinkle and break Angles and other people.
541
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:14.559
Now it is believed that Stephen Swanson was murdered, kept
542
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:23.199
no book on activities of Deputy break Angles. There's no
543
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:28.039
book was gone as well as disaph was never found.
544
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:30.559
And then what would the purpose of that be for
545
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:32.920
black o purposes? Was he going to cooperate with the
546
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:34.360
Feds or something trying and get a conviction.
547
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:39.960
I don't know. I think perhaps we just study, you know,
548
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:42.639
And this is the thing, the code of silence. This
549
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.800
is one of your brothers in the in the Sheriff's department.
550
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:49.960
You know that, right, So you're not going to read
551
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:54.920
out one of your own even if that person here
552
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:57.280
or she breaks the law. That's the code of that's
553
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:01.800
the unwritten code of a moral code of science. And
554
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:06.480
it's been in police department since what forever, And as
555
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:08.679
you and I know, that's also in the gangster in
556
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:15.239
the mafia world, the America Code. Yeah, I don't know.
557
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:21.639
I mean, I I've I know that Brick deputly, Brick
558
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:26.400
Angels doesn't give any interviews. I've read all his depositions.
559
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:30.840
He gave his declarations. He gave depositions during the Darren
560
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:36.400
Hager case. I think he denied so he he was
561
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:43.960
under investigation of the Internal Internal Crime Bureau of the
562
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:52.840
Los Angeles Sheriff's Department. He didn't It never came to
563
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:56.440
an interview, a formal interview. He just left. He never
564
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:58.719
had to deny anything. He just didn't want to answer
565
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:02.239
any questions because he knows it's right. So you have
566
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:03.920
don't have anything on me.
567
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:10.639
I leave. But before we get back to this, when
568
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.079
when you're investigating this and you're writing about this, do
569
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:15.559
you go down to these little towns and visit in person.
570
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:22.400
Yeah, even after twenty eight, twenty nine years and a
571
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:27.239
lot some of these properties, like the that e Finem
572
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:35.159
market that is gone, Yeah, especially areas where where sort
573
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:40.239
of mind shifts were, you know, where people could easily disappear.
574
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:45.519
The California aqueducts, you know, right, defl spongeable.
575
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.159
So when you go down there, do you see indications
576
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:57.840
of people widespread methamphetamine? Us?
577
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:04.280
No, But perhaps I got the wrong time. It's hard
578
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.320
to do. I mean, what I'm supposed to do that's
579
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:11.039
being there twenty four seven maybe. Do you know two
580
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:16.119
weeks ago they found human remains at a junkyard not
581
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:18.400
fear and away from everything else.
582
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:22.519
It's amazing, man, It's just and you think this would
583
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.239
be like a nationwide story. You know, everybody what's going
584
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:27.280
on in these little towns, But this goes on in
585
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:29.360
a lot of little towns. But when you're driving through
586
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.559
some of these little towns and you just say, man,
587
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:33.880
what is going on in those little trailers, in those
588
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:38.960
little houses. You can only imagine the horrifying things that
589
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:40.920
are going on. People that the women that are trapped
590
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.400
in there they can't get. Local cops are in on it.
591
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.039
You know, it's just one thing after another. Somebody's town
592
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:49.280
like West Virginia. You drive through some of these towns
593
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:54.119
when you know the whole town is like one shock
594
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:58.199
after another with which garbage strewn over every lawn you know,
595
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.840
and anybody see walking down the road all methed out
596
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:04.599
or heroined out. Necess here too in your article here
597
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.079
on a cote of silence on your sub stack. And
598
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:08.280
by the way, keep an eye on to this is
599
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:16.760
all going to be in uh COVID action, COVID Action magazine. Uh.
600
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:21.519
This guy here, Wayne worked, how does he fit into this?
601
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.320
Donald Kirk's neighbor, Wayne wurts.
602
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.800
So so who called Stephen Storrington on let's say, the
603
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:35.079
day of August seconds? Who called him? Now? They were
604
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:43.360
the neighbors of Donald Pick and researching is further. I
605
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:45.280
don't know he was called by a woman or a man.
606
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:48.760
That's just my main thing. But either way, he was
607
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:52.559
called by the neighbors. And his neighbors were Wayne Wort
608
00:44:52.760 --> 00:45:00.000
and his wife. And Wayne Mort owns an airstrip next
609
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:08.159
through his property and he rented out that airstrip occasionally.
610
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:15.519
Now again rebeck to the geographical significance of the area
611
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:22.320
that's unregulated, un monitored. You have your own airstrip. What
612
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:26.880
do you think happens during that era? Right the eighties nineties,
613
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:32.920
drugs going in and out, maybe across borders. I don't know,
614
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:39.880
supplies formats maybe maybe not, maybe slowly, maybe nothing at all,
615
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:49.360
who knows. But he did he didn't know that Donaldak
616
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:54.360
had an issue with Stephen Sowrenson. Okay, could be used
617
00:45:54.400 --> 00:46:00.679
against him, the hot squatter on that property and waynmod
618
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.239
trying to get that squatter out. I've found the files,
619
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:08.840
the court files. They were destroyed. But apparently Wayne wod
620
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:14.280
harrested this squatter and the squatter suit this guy. He
621
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:18.239
wanted the squatter out. Now did the squatterhead did he
622
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:23.840
see anything? Does he know anything? Okay? So on that day,
623
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:28.719
Wayne Wood or his wife calls not Rick Engels, who's
624
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:33.519
actually uh he's a resident debut of Little Rock. Right,
625
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:38.199
it's very close to Lano. Why call Stephen Sorenson? Why
626
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:49.760
call Stephen Sorenson on his day off out there? So
627
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:54.159
that's all give you. So Wayne Ward called Stephen Sorenson
628
00:46:55.079 --> 00:47:01.440
and he comes out there. He's killed. I mean I
629
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:05.599
cannot interview being worth anymore because he's dead. He flew
630
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:10.760
one of his planes to Washington and it's crashed. Never
631
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.360
never exploded, by the way, just crashed.
632
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.800
And yeah, and they discover his body, and did they
633
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:20.159
find the body?
634
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:20.760
I believe so.
635
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.280
Yeah, okay, because it's very rural up there in Washington summer,
636
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:26.719
I say, here, you got a guy down here in
637
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:30.280
Meth Country with a private airstrip with a private when
638
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.400
private planes are taken off and landing, and the benefit
639
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:35.480
to that is you can load whatever you want on
640
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.159
that plane. You're not going through any there's no security
641
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:41.800
of metal detectives or anything like that. These private asterds.
642
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.440
To just drive up there. Back your truck up, man,
643
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:47.800
and you'll put whatever, women, whatever, your kids, whatever you
644
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:49.880
want to put in at the that plane and they
645
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.280
take off and land up and I know the similar
646
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.760
type of airstrip. And I said that stuff works.
647
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:57.760
Man, seriously, right, I mean yeah, I mean you can
648
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.320
speculate and we can have a opins. I know that.
649
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:04.760
And this is all hearsay, but yeah, it looks all
650
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:09.880
too Yeah. Uh, it's way too convenient.
651
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.440
And it's not like there's a lot of executives, you know,
652
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:17.360
flying in and out of this little town here for
653
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:20.239
meetings and conventions and stuff like that that they need
654
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:25.960
private airstrips. That's just me, just say it.
655
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:31.199
Just say that, yeah, there without flight logs there's no
656
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:36.559
one who sees anything. Yeah, no one's that's the cold
657
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.960
of silence too, right. I mean I maybe have witnessed something,
658
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.880
but I don't know anything. I don't know, don't ask me.
659
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:47.639
Yeah, even at small private airstrips in North Las Vegas
660
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:50.079
and in Henderson that there are executive airstrips you know
661
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.599
that are pretty well established. They have offices, they have
662
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:56.199
you know, refueling, all kinds of stuff. Still a lot
663
00:48:56.280 --> 00:49:00.360
of shenanigans go on at these places because it's just
664
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:02.599
you look the other way. There's a lot of stuff
665
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:04.239
that goes on at these places, and they just look
666
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:05.719
the other way, you know.
667
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.880
Hey, And that's that's I mean, that's more in your
668
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:13.159
your wheelhouse with the in case case that happens to
669
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.800
flight looks exactly.
670
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:18.920
Yeah, so we only got a couple of minutes left
671
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:23.000
to melt uh larish? What what? What? What haven't I
672
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.559
asked you about this case? That fascinating right with no
673
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.000
hands Gary Devre Now all these other list of dead bodies,
674
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:36.400
what haven't I asked you? They want the audience to out, well.
675
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:42.199
Does anybody care? Yeah, that's just I mean you hinted
676
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:47.440
on that little earlier it's because it's so long ago,
677
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:53.559
it's hard to sustain the attention, right, And I keep
678
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:57.639
going no matter what. This is not to get any publicity.
679
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.639
But if someone knows the the thing, they can contact
680
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:06.840
you or myself. But that's what this is about, to
681
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:12.719
get justice full first the dead and the truth because
682
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:18.679
and and the families of the victims, even though they're
683
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:26.239
convinced of their own theories, certain people were definitely guilty
684
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:33.880
of murder of their loved them. But it's it's just
685
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:36.599
justice fool full for these people.
686
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:41.920
Because even even I would have no interest in this
687
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:43.920
story at all if it weren't for the whole Gary
688
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:46.440
DeVore angle to it and the writer with no hands
689
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.880
with on so many shows. Otherwise, just another small town
690
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:51.519
where that's this is what goes on the industry is
691
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:56.000
drugs and crime. And I just look, Yeah, the local
692
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:58.760
motorcycle gang. Do they have any connection to the airstrip too,
693
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:00.800
because that's very common to an North Las Vegas.
694
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:05.840
Would absolutely they help one another, I mean likely, Like
695
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:10.559
you said, in this it's this whole region that's sort
696
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:14.480
of self managed, right, self police and all of that.
697
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:16.960
They have their own hierarchy. If you look at the
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00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:23.760
motorcycle clubs. Then they have their hierarchy. They need to
699
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:26.960
protect one another, to help one another. It's it's it's
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00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.039
they have their own code of silence. So if they
701
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:37.840
help the sheriffs definitely on their way, and I mean yeah,
702
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:42.599
it could be, especially in the northern part of Antelope
703
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:48.000
Valley current County. Mojave had a chapter and that's where
704
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.679
Gary DeVore traveled through and he stopped at the Danni's
705
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.320
restaurant and one of the Winders the who saw him
706
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:59.519
last I think her name is Dona Bus. I have
707
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:01.960
not been able to locate her, but I'm still on
708
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:08.519
it because there is a relation to Mike Booth, who
709
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:16.199
had connections at the time. This, Larry Crawford, Rick Engels,
710
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:21.880
Thomas Hinkle, the mass distributors. Yeah, who'll be no witnesses.
711
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:27.320
Camera was dysfunct. This is it. Cameras are always not working,
712
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:32.079
either their dummies or they're just uh ripped off the wall.
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00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:36.199
He was at the Bone Place Bone time, he witnessed stuff.
714
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.159
He was kidnapped and murdered.
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Mel Eloys, you got to keep us updated on SS.
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You'd start digging up more bodies down there in Antelope Valley. Okay,
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check out Code of Silence, Substack for more of Melylus,
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and check out the Covert Action This is will be
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coming up in coverd Action and we think in November
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and the Covert Action Episode Edition Covert Action Magazine. Melley Lush,
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thank you so much help and for revingly. Good night