ABOUT THIS EPISODE
The OneCast crew and some special guests break down fishing through the dog days of summer, covering top bait choices (buzzbaits, frogs, ploppers, jigs, swimbaits), how to read current, inflows and thermoclines, and when to fish shallow versus offshore.
The episode also includes tournament insights, gear and mapping tips (Deep Dive), rotation strategies, safety reminders like staying hydrated, and practical adjustments for changing conditions.
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That's a good one. That's a goodie.
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Oh God, it's a toad, son. It's a fucking toad,
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dude. Let's go. I wake up to a little bit
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of drool on my pillow, feel like it's gonna be a bad day.
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We got, uh, if you're watching, folks, we got somebody over here sitting here dancing
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to the intro music. We're gonna have
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some fun this afternoon. Uh, we've got a couple great guests lined up. We might
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have one more joining us if those, uh, storms pass down there in FlowRida area.
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But real quick, before we, uh, get cracking with this week's episode,
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we're going to talk about today in this episode such as wind direction,
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inflows, outflows, uh, water levels,
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and all the weather that typically ends up smashing us at
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the end of the day in these dog days of summer, uh, with storms and
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Where'd you see that number? It's right behind me, but I got it
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memorized. Dang, he said it enough times. Yeah,
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hey, what? I am Good Will Hunting,
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dude. I'm super pumped for
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tonight's episode. You know, we've been running, running our gums for the past few weeks.
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We've had some great guests on. We've had our, our biologist friends on to talk
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about, you know, the health of our fisheries and the F1 bass stocking program
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and what the status is on that. Um, we've had Seth on a couple times
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within the last few months to kind of go, you know, talk about some national
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level tournament stuff. Uh, and then we've talked about, you know,
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organically we just talked about fishing in general. But tonight we got our good
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friend and, uh, brother Mikey from Special
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Operations Bass Anglers, Drop Zone Tech. I don't know, the list goes on and on.
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Uh, you're the tournament director for your club too, aren't you? Yeah, so Carolina
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Bassers Uh, out of Harnett County. He's the president of the
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Carolina Bassers Club— huh, tournament director. Tournament director.
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I'm sorry, the president's different. Yeah, sorry, Mr.— sorry, Mr. Not President.
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I got no time. Yeah. Uh,
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so you're— are you in an appointed or an elected position,
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man? We just volunteer, man. We just do stuff. We do.
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Mikey. But— and then we got Seth joining us up there in Durham.
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Uh, the Durham area, who's getting ready to leave here and go
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fish up, up north for some brownfish. Um, so appreciate you
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jumping on with us, Seth, and then Ben. But if you look around the room,
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I'm not saying they're good years, but there's about
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80 to 100 years of bass fishing experience
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in this room, right? Uh, some better than others. I would be at the bottom
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here. Uh, but anyways, you know, I wanted
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to talk to the audience tonight about, uh, just the dog days of summer
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fishing Uh, we're definitely in the middle of it right now.
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Um, and, uh, but you know what, wait, let me, let me back up.
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Ben, we talked about it before we even started. Are there any major
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updates in the bass fishing world right now that the audience needs to know about?
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Uh, just the, uh, well, the NPFL event at, uh, where are
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they at? St. Lawrence River. St. Lawrence will be wrapped up,
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uh, by the time you all are listening to this episode. So we'll
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know the winner then. We'll see what happens. Oh, I'm actually anxious
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to see how that event goes without Ford facing Sonar now on the,
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uh, on the St. Lawrence. Plus they got locking issues.
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Yes. Oh, that's right. Yep, yep. So it's— yeah,
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are they gonna be able to get in the lake at all? Yeah, so this
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is the first time that this is ever going to happen. Uh,
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the NPFL paid for lock times so those guys could
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lock down through the through the commercial
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traffic lock. See, with the way the Iroquois Dam's set up, there's a thoroughfare
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through there where just recreational traffic can come and go.
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But since the water's so high, it's shut down. So the only way to access,
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um, the western, I guess southwestern part of the, of the river to the
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lake is go through the, the commercial lock. So they're going
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to try that. Apparently it's, um, not a
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quick process. It's like up to an hour long. Wow. And then
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if you're running south, it's, you know, hour and a half. So it's,
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it's going to be something to watch over a course of 3 days.
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Um, I'm interested just to see how it plays out because a
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lot of these guys have never had to do that before. Yeah, I mean,
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in that case, I anticipate a lot of drifting in the river,
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probably over those sandbars with drop shots and stuff. Yep, probably.
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Well, hey, I mean, kudos to the, uh, to the NPFL for trying to,
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you know, adjust fire to that situation, do something a little bit different, maybe get
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those guys some more access We'll see how it plays out though. I mean,
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we've all heard the, um, the stories, uh,
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specifically Apopka. The Apopka lockdown in Florida seems
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to be the nemesis for a lot of people. Maybe this, you know, hopefully this
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situation isn't the same, but you never know, man. If they're on a tight timeline
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and you can't make it back, like, your weight don't count, right? So,
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um, it'll be interesting to see. I do want to ask you guys though real
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quick before we get talking about the dog days of summer though.
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Seth, you just got done fishing the MPFL over the last couple years. Who do
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you think— you just give it, give me one, give us one— who's gonna
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win the St. Lawrence River for the MPFL?
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Uh, who's gonna win the St. Lawrence River for the MPFL?
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Probably Zach
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Burge. Oh, I knew you were gonna say it, man.
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I'll be honest with you, with no scope,
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yeah, all those guys can catch them, right? Yeah, some of those
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guys better than others, but Zach's the type of guy that
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will literally pull up to a place, catch a couple fish,
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and he's not feeling it or they're not the right ones, and he will run
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70 miles the other way and get on them. So I just I
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know how Zach fishes. Um, he's not afraid to put it in
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the wind and burn fuel. And with the conditions being the
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way they are, that might be what you have to do. But that's my pick.
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Yeah. Mikey, do you, do you follow the NPFL much?
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No. No. All right, well, if you're gonna pick somebody in the world,
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Trey Thompson, it's definitely
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not gonna— I won't be there. But if I was gonna pick somebody, it'd be
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myself too. Uh, no, Ben, do you have a— do you have an
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idea of who you think may win this event? I mean, if, if Seth
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went with Zach, I'll just go with, uh, I'll go with Patrick Walters because kind
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of the same thing. He's got the experience, he's done well in those fisheries up
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there before. I think he's— does he have a
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century belt on St. Lawrence? He, he might from Bassmaster.
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I think he does. I don't know, he does. You probably— I'm not gonna look
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it up, but he pretty much got every title. Yeah, so you know,
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you're looking at guys with experience, especially there's lock issues,
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managing fish, and just being able to adapt. So yeah,
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that's a good choice. I'll have to go with Patrick just because he's a
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hammer and it's going to be very, uh, it's going to be different up there.
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Yeah, so I think Patrick Walters has the most earnings
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in the NPFL right now. I think they just published that. But I think
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second to Patrick was Timmy Reams. Is Timmy Reams still fishing, Seth?
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Uh, yeah, he's fishing both the Opens and the NPFL.
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All right, I'm gonna pick Timmy Reams. We're gonna go with Timmy Reams on this
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one. Uh, let me catch him. I mean, he's a shallow guy,
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but he can catch him. You know, I wonder if, you know,
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because Zach fishes the BPT format, which is vastly
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different than any other tournament circuit out there, I wonder if that really
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gives him a competitive advantage or not,
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uh, because like you said, uh, he's not afraid
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to pull the trolling motor up and make a really long run. And I'm,
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I'm sure guys do that, and, you know, guys definitely do that in a 5-fish
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format. But, you know, with being in the BPT, like, if Zach's on,
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you know, 1.7-pound fish consistently, he's got to pull
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the trolling motor up, he's got to leave, he's got to go find something else,
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right? He knows that he has to make runs make
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adjustments because he gets that live score tracker update. He gets
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to hear what the rest of the field is catching. He can't— you know,
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I don't, I don't know, but I'm just— I wonder if it does give him,
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uh, an advantage to being more adaptable.
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Maybe. But you got to remember too, if he's on 10,000
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1.7s, it doesn't matter. It's true. You know what I mean? They— yeah,
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they catch every fish. Now granted it's all
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based on what the minimum is set for that body of water that you're fishing.
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Yeah. Um, and a lot of times, guys, if you watch it— like,
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and I'm a fan of bass fishing, so I watch it all— but a lot
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of those guys will find those places that are full of those 1.5 to 2.25
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pound fish, and they'll burn it down because it's
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easy, for one, for them, and for two, it gives them comfortable
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enough to go then look for other better quality fish in different places. Uh,
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because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you're catching 10 5-pounders
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or 50 1-pounders, as long as you have that weight, that's all that matters.
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True, true. And well, and I lied, I did look it up.
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Patrick won in '23 with a Century Belt. There you go.
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Yeah, you know, somebody that I really would like to see win,
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and I know he's won a lot in the past, but I'm
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a big fan of Andy Morgan, right? He's like a taller version of Greg Hackney
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in my opinion, just with his style of fishing, you know,
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and how good he is. Flipping a jig and throwing a spinnerbait.
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I mean, he can do it all, but, um, you know, he's somebody that I
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think is a true steward of instinctual bass fishing, uh,
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and, and I've been a fan of his, you know, since he fished the FLW
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Tour and stuff. So, um, but got to give a shout out to— he's one
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of my best friends, Josh Watkins. Hopefully, uh, he can turn this season around
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up there and, and go smash them as well. I know it's been rough.
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I've been seeing a lot, uh, Like you said, Ben, the NPFL
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is going to be done by the time this is recorded. We all got our
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picks for that. But also the, um, the Tackle Warehouse Pro Circuit
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is going on on Champlain at the same time. Am I, am I wrong on
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that? No, it is Champlain. And let me tell you, dude,
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watching Latimer, Bobby Bakewell, some of these other guys post some
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of their Instagram reels and stories, it's rough up there.
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It's super, super rough. Hence reason I ordered
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an external bilge pump today with some gator clips on it, because I ain't
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trying to go upside down in the lake. But, um, but yeah,
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man, so we got, we got all you guys in the room and stuff,
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and, uh, you know, the dog days of summer are upon us,
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and I wanted to kind of hit you guys with some different questions and stuff.
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Uh, first and foremost, and, and anybody can jump in, but,
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uh, let's ask Mikey. Mikey's sitting here right now, so we're gonna, we're gonna,
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we're gonna hit you with the first question. The dog days of summer in
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your opinion, you see a lot of people, uh,
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talk about their top 5 baits for the dog days of summer and stuff
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like that. What is your top 1 bait for
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the dog days of summer? Depends on what fishery. Ah, I knew you
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were gonna do that. Well, talk, talk to the audience. So like,
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why, why, why do you say it depends on the fishery?
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Okay, so we just come off of the river. Yep. Past 2 tournaments.
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Um, We're at Show-On and
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they were not touching the topwater. I like topwater.
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Yeah, I'm a topwater fanatic. I mean, he's holding the buzzbait in his hand right
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now. Um, he wears that. You go to the other
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ones, other like lakes and stuff, might not be topwater.
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Yeah, shaky head, Carolina rig,
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deep diving stuff. Or they could be shallow. I know Seth likes to
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fish shallow too. I'd rather fish shallow all day. Yeah, it's deep. I don't like
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fishing 20 foot deep because then I got to worry about fish— I gotta stick
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them and all that stuff. Yeah. So I catch a fish in 2 foot
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of water, I don't have to worry about it. Yeah, throw it in the live
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well and they're good. Yep. But one of the things that we didn't even talk
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about this the other day, the fish right now up at Roanoke,
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a lot of them are post-spawn.
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We caught a ton of fish that were post-spawn. I actually had one die
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because it was straight up post-spawn. Like immediately post-spawn? Oh dude,
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pretty quickly. Any— I mean, big head, it still didn't
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put the weight on yet. And if you remember the,
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uh, the Bassmaster when they were down here, they were talking about catching them on
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beds. So when I saw that fish, I was like, dude, that's a post-spawn fish.
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And I was like, I did everything I could. My live wells had ice
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in them and everything. Gone. Yeah, but, but buzzbait
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up in the rivers is is my go-to. Yeah,
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absolutely. You bring up a good point, Mikey, and I'll turn this over
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to Seth. Like, you know, when we ask the question like, what is your top
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baits? And, you know, Seth, you do a really good job promoting your— your— one
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of your sponsors being Strike King. Um, you know, your, your top 5 bait choices
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for July or what, August, whatever. But really, like,
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when you're in the middle of the dog days of summer like this, you love
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to go shallow, but If you were to really truly
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pick like a bait for you in this month of the year,
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like what is your 100% go-to bait?
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It's going to be some type of topwater. I mean, yeah, I'm,
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I'm along the same lines with Mikey. Here's the deal,
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if some of the lakes around here didn't— or were at full pool,
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it would probably be a frog, right? But right now with everything being down
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and a lot of fish suspended out off the bank Um, and even on the
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bank, you know, I really love a Mach Patroller, which is a plopper-style
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bait, uh, backs in the pockets for bluegill eaters. And then
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on the main, the main bodies of water, I like a walking bait like
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a Strike King KVD Sexy Dog. But it's gonna be a topwater because
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you're just more apt to get a bigger bite and more
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bites, I think, on topwater this time of year because the fish
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are so pelagic, they're moving. And they've seen almost every type
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of soft plastic there is up until this point in the year. And the topwater
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baits is something that you can move quickly and get a reaction bite.
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Yeah, no, I agree. I definitely agree with that. Ben, do you
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have any takes on the, the dog days of summer style fishing? Because I'm gonna,
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I'm gonna segue this here after you're done. I mean, I think, I think Seth
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is right. Like, you get— and, and I think the dog days set in
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early for us this year, um, mainly because it's
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been so hot and so dry. So the water, you know A lot of times
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our lakes will get lower in August, early September,
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um, but it's, it's, it's been that way all
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year. And as the fish— as that
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thermocline rises in a lot of our bodies of water, as the fish
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are pressured, they're beat up, uh, they are— they get a lot more lethargic,
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uh. And so usually— so like you
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guys covered it, like it depends on your fishery and, and what the fish are
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doing and where you're at, but you all things being equal, like, to me,
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a jig, I love just dragging on the bottom because a lot of times instead
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of suspending, sometimes they just lay on the bottom, um, just kind of laying there
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in the mud. And if you bring a big meal past them,
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um, I think they're more willing to exert some of that energy to,
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uh, to eat a big meal. And with that said,
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you know, this time of year, starting in August, a lot of times I,
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I've had a lot of success over the years doing an old-school technique with the,
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the jig and worm. So you take a 10-inch worm and
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put it on a, a big 3/4-ounce football jig, and you just drag
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it along. And, um, a lot of times the,
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uh, the bites actually won't be very heavy. You'll just kind
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of feel your line get heavy. It's not like, you know, a lot of times
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it's not that tap tap or you really hear a thump. They just kind of
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suck it in. Yeah. Um, yeah, so,
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yeah, like a Carolina rig bite. Yeah, Mikey's right on
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that. So, you know, and, and this is why, like, for, for all the listeners,
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like, when you see a lot of the pros and a lot of social
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media influencers and stuff talk about their, their top baits for,
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for said month, like, understand, one, it's relative to the area
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that they're fishing. It could be relative to, uh, you know, the state they're fishing
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in, could be relative to the body of water specifically, because we have
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places like Mikey talked about in North Carolina, you could go 10
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minutes away from where we are right now and fish vastly different from what
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you're going to fish 2.5 hours to the east or 2.5 hours to the west.
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And so you need to understand that. Uh, but, but that
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brings me to talking about like breaking down the
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water. And this is why Deep Dive is such a great tool, especially for people
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that are just trying to get an understanding of what may be going on based
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on the, the data that they have for you guys in the, in the features.
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But Mikey, when it comes to like, you love to throw topwater.
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Um, so talk about whether or not it's the river system
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or it's a lake and stuff like that, you know, Ben talked about and
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Seth talked about like really pressured fish, subtle bites and stuff.
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When you're breaking down a lake, a reservoir,
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a river, like what are some of the— in the month of July
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and going into August, what are some of the biggest things that you're looking for?
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Uh, because let me, let me preface this too. Tournament fishing
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is different than fun fishing, right? Like, I can go out right
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now and I know where about 6 different schools of fish are at. So if
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I'm going out to fun fish and I just want to catch fish,
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that's going to change the way that I go and attack a body of water
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versus if I'm preparing for a competition. So let's
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talk about on the competition side, because if you're going fun fishing, you just do
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whatever you want. Yeah, but if you were going out and you had a tournament,
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let's say, on whatever body of water Talk us through like
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the way in this month and going into August that you're gonna really attack breaking
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that body of water down. So river, I'm gonna look for
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current and water color. Lakes,
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current plays a big one. Uh, like Seth was talking about topwater
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with a lake, I noticed this a long time ago, uh,
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Tillery, you go in there, wind current is your biggest
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thing now. Um, they do have current sometimes during the weekend,
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but Duke took over and they don't pull current during the weekend anymore.
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It used to be they did. So now you're looking at wind current. Um,
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if you don't have a lot of wind current, your topwater bait's gonna be smaller,
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like a spook. It's got to be like a puppy spook or a pop bar.
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If the wind's blowing, buzzbait or spook.
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Um, at the river Same thing. If the
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currents are flowing, the loudest buzzbait you can get, the loudest
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buzzbait. I don't like spooks because there's so much wood you're
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working around. Um, when the current dies on the river,
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a frog, a horny toad, those are the key things
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I'm looking at. So when you go— let's just, let's use,
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um, let's use a Highland or— I don't—
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is Tillery considered a Highland reservoir? No, it's just a reservoir.
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All right, so it's a flood control reservoir though, right? Um,
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so, so are you— so like, talk us through,
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like, what are the types of things you're looking
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for besides current? Are, you know, like, are you looking— like, do contour lines
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play a role this time of year for you? Do— does certain types
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of grass play a role? Certain type of docks? Like, really, outside of current and
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stuff, are you focused on any of that stuff? Shade.
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Shade in July, like I've seen on grass lakes— well,
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willow grass. If you got shade in July, August,
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you can throw a frog up in there middle of the day and catch fish.
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Yep. They move to the shade. They want shade. The deeper fish,
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you might want to look at points that drop off real quick. They'll move up
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there and push shad up there, and they can stay up there all day.
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Yep. They'll stay up there all day and feed. And that's
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deep water or shade. Deep water and shade.
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Yeah, I will tell you, like, and, and Ben, I'll turn this over to you.
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Like, so if I'm going to in this time of
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year, it takes everything out of me not to
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go deep immediately, right? But I will tell from
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what I've seen over the years, and especially now with how
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much pressure is being put out into the middle of the lakes on
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the offshore structure, the contour lines being the roadbeds the,
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the humps, the saddles, everything, and then just straight up middle of the
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water, do nothing type thing. I feel like a lot of times
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the bank or the shallow water areas are really being
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left alone, right? Because anglers,
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especially if you're going out on a weekend, if, if they're not tournament anglers,
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they're just going there to catch fish, and they're going to go to where the
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majority of the fish are at, right? And, and majority of the fish relative
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to where you're fishing won't use the river, that's not a good example. Certain rivers
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in there can be offshore rivers, um, but if you're going to one of these
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lakes and you're just going to catch numbers of fish, clearly most
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of your numbers are going to be out there, um, feeding on bait,
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right? Feeding on shad, gizzard threadfin, gizzard shad,
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whatever. We're talking largemouth and spots because the,
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the north is, is built different, right? But if
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you, but if you think about it, a lot of the shallow water fish,
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there's so many resident shallow water fish Those are the
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ones to me that really end up being some of your biggest
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fish in the dog days of summer. Because the,
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the end of July and beginning of August, those fish, they were nice and
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fresh in May and June, but they have been pounded on.
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And I'm not saying you can't catch big fish this time of year offshore because
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I do it all the time. What I'm saying is if you want to,
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I go out and I start eliminating shallow first.
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It's— it takes everything in my body, but I've been
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burned so many times on these lakes where if you don't go shallow,
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you're missing enough. You could be missing a big opportunity. I think Brandon
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Palaniuk said it years and years ago. I think he was on this, uh,
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I think it was on Santee or somewhere, and he goes, I always eliminate the
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shallow bite first because if I do find a shallow bite, I usually know it's
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going to be probably a quality type of fish, especially in
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the middle of the summer. The only caveat to that is something that
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Ben brought up. And for the listeners, you're like, yeah, well, you know what,
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I've been fishing Jordan Lake, I've been fishing Falls Lake, I've been fishing wherever,
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I can't get a shallow water bite. Well, the drought
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probably has a lot to do with that, right? So that
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is something we're seeing abnormality with the drought here
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in central North Carolina. I don't know how to break
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down those bodies of water that well. I haven't even been on them really,
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um, and that's why I think a lot of people are going immediately deep water
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because that's where most of the fish are congregated. But if we were in a
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perfect situation, we had normal levels of water and stuff like that,
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Ben, what are your thoughts on, you know, looking at
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a lake from a tournament perspective, not like the Roanoke River? Like,
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how do you go about breaking that down? Mikey talked about wind
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direction, wind-driven current, uh, shade lines and stuff like
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that. What else would you add to that? So one of the key things,
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uh, this time of year, really in the summertime,
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uh, when I first get on the body of water, I turn up the sensitivity
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on my graph and I, and identify if there is a thermocline and what
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depth. And, and the main reason for that is it eliminates a
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lot of water. Like if you're out on Jordan Lake or Harris and the
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thermocline's 12 or 15 feet, then that can eliminate
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a lot of water. Um, and as it— right, there's certain— there can be fish
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below it and some fish can go for a certain amount of time, but they
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usually don't live there just because that water is not mixing. There's no— there's
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not enough oxygen formed down there, right? And that just continues to get greater as
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the season goes along. So that helps eliminate a lot of the depths
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you need to look at. Um, but I
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think, you know, early in the season when that thermocline first starts
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up, you got a lot more post-spawn fish. They're a lot more active.
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They seem to roam around out there more along the thermocline.
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But as the season goes along, and, and although thermoclines
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can shift, I do feel like a bass will move up a
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little shallower, as you were talking about. And I think Part
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of that's because as the summer goes along, the water
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up top just gets warmer and warmer, and so it floats. And although it may
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not be as much of a difference, um, to create like
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a thermocline or a second thermocline, which can happen on some bodies of water,
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um, because that water doesn't mix
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as much, that shallower you get, the more oxygen it's going to have.
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And of course, bass love eating bugs and everything else too, so Right.
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It just feels like as the summer goes along, you can start
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keying on some, some shallower spots or mid-depth range again.
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Um, but that's, that's one of the first things I look at,
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and it just to help eliminate a lot of water. And then current,
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shade lines, um, all that stuff plays a role. Uh,
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water inflow too. If you got a lot of water inflow,
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um, that's just naturally stirring the water up, um, bugs and coming in.
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So Um, you know, in summertime you can,
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you can still catch, you know, fish out in the backs of pockets or in
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the little ditches back there and, uh, do really well when most
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guys are out on the main lake. Yeah, you know, some of those places may
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be harder to find, or they may be a 1 or 2 fish spot,
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but, um, they're not, they're not
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beat up as bad because most people aren't targeting them, right? One of
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the things I I'll, I'll tell to the audience, then we'll transition over to
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your tournaments, Mikey, because this kind of bleeds into what you were talking about with
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like current and, and lack of current, right? Uh,
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A, pay attention to the weather this time of year, right? Like here in central
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North Carolina, we're getting ready to get— not enough, but we're getting ready to get
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a downpour over the next couple days. We're gonna get a significant amount of rain,
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right? So that— what immediately I know that I'm gonna go to
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my Deep Dive app the next time I go fishing if it's on a body
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of water that just got done getting a bunch of rain. And I'm going to
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go to that inflow feature on the app, and I'm going to turn
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it up and, and go to where the majority of the inflow is coming into
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the lake. And those are probably going to be the areas I start targeting first,
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because like Ben said, you got watershed, you got runoff
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pushing into the water, either whether or not it's high ground pushing in
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or you got a stream inflow, whatever, it's going to push in there.
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And the highest protein diet's going to be in the shallow waters
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for these bass during that time. The bluegill are higher protein diet,
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crawfish are, bugs and stuff probably not so much. But they're going
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to leave— a lot of fish will not abandon, but they'll leave a lot of
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those threadfin shad that are 2 to 3 inches. They're tired of chasing them and
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they're going to move up there. They're going to feed, uh, in the shallows and
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stuff like that. So I'm going to use that feature and I'm going to go
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target those areas. The other thing, especially if you have a good mapping product this
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time of year you have a lot of fish that are off on the flats
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offshore, right? They'll be in that 10 to 12 foot range, or relative
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to where you're fishing, those flats where they can, they can move laterally and chase
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baitfish. They're not really relating to that vertical contour lines
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like you'd see like in the wintertime and stuff. Um, but one
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of the things to pay attention to on your map though is your creek channels,
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right? So if you have a creek, if you have a flat that butts up
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with a creek channel that goes to a pocket,
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that is like textbook what you want to be looking for this
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time of year, especially if you're getting a bunch of rain in the afternoons and
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you're trying to target shallow fish. Because what will happen is they'll be on those
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shallow flats, they'll slide out into that creek channel, and they'll follow it to
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where majority of that inflow is coming into those creek arms. It may not be
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in the very back of a creek, it could be at the highest point,
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high ground on that creek, and the water's coming in and they're only able to
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move like 50 feet off of a flat into a creek channel and go feed.
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But you're— I, I get so dialed into mapping this time
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of year because it tells the story.
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Like, you just think of a, think of a natural highway that a bass is
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going to follow. And Rick Salvatore, who, who is Bassin' Through, man,
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he does a really great job with his audience talking about like the natural highways
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that a bass will follow, baitfish are following it, and all that stuff. So make
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sure you guys pay attention to your mapping products. Outside of
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visually looking around, right? Like visually seeing docks,
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visually seeing shade lines, visually seeing that current that Mikey's about to talk
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about here in a minute. Like look at your mapping product and be like,
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okay, what's the highest probability of success if I'm going to target
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fish after a strong rain or it's windy today? Where are
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they going to go to, right? Especially if you don't want to go offshore all
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day long. Offshore is a whole different animal, but you're still
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going to use your contour lines. And there also is shade offshore, y'all. So if
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you're fishing stump fields, you're fishing brush piles. When that sun hits
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at a certain angle on a brush pile or a stump, there's a shade
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line on the back side of it created, right? So positioning is everything
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when you're targeting fish offshore as well. But I want to move into that
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July-August current that you're talking about, Mikey, specifically with
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the river that you were fishing. Um, you just got done winning 2
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one-day individual tournaments right down there on the in, in the Albemarle
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Sound area. Um, but you fished differently
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each day, and I, I kind of want you to talk to the audience about
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that. Um, talk, talk, talk them through like day
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1, what was going on, and what was so different on day
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2 and the adjustments that you made, uh, to have success.
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So I'm gonna back up even further. Back up. Practice.
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Back it up. Because I had 3 different
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colored buzzbaits tied on. So I had a black bladed
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one, I had a silver one, and a gold one.
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It just depends on what they want. And they did not want the black,
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which my biggest fish up there, it was almost 8 pounds, it came off a
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black one. And black works really good, but it was not working.
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Uh, that was within the first 200 yards. Not a bite,
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not a bite, not a bite. Changed up the silver, not a bite, not a
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bite, not a bite. Changed up the gold, 2, 3 casts later,
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boom. I said, okay. Went back through the same area
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and caught 2 more fish. That's it, I'm done, I'm coming back here.
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Came back Saturday and just locked that buzzbait in my hand,
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a Gold Blade. It's a 9/11, it's got a—
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it ticks the head, but it also has a clacker, so it's ultra loud.
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And those fish, because the current and because of the water color, it was kind
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of dingy. They want that loud. They want loud.
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You gotta think they're, they're mainly looking at crawdads.
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They want— they eat crawdads all the time. So when they hear the crawdad fall
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in the water, just like when you're flipping, you want a heavy weight. You make
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that loud splash. Not like a lake, you want to be nice and subtle.
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No, here you want to be as loud as you possibly can. Yeah, they want
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to hear it. And usually within the first foot of the bank, they're going to
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crush it. Very rarely they'll come all the way out.
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Oh, and the current was moving pretty decent,
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so I just fished all day with that buzzbait and caught fish non-stop.
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And I think I had almost 19 pounds. Big fish was 6,
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and that's the only fish that hit away from the bank. The reason was
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the bank has about a foot to 2-foot ledge, and then it dropped off into
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15, 20 foot. There's a bunch of log jams right there. So I
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think what happened was it came off that bank and came over. It was logs,
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and she come shooting out. When she hit it right next to the boat,
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it just— yeah, well, yeah, I was giggling
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like a little schoolgirl, man. I was like, so,
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but so that day though, you talked about current, like it was ripping,
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right? It wasn't ripping, but it was moving. It was moving pretty good.
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Um, ripping in there's rough. It's tough
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to fish in there. Um, like, you catch a fish in the
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current when the current's really ripping out there, you have to— you have to hook
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that fish, get it away from all the wood and stuff. You got to get
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out into the current and put that Spot-Lock on, because if you don't,
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you come off that trolling motor, you'll be half a mile down the river and
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smashing into some other logs. Uh, it's, it's fun,
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but it's, it's hair-raising. So you After day
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1, you had, you know, 19 pounds. You said that was an individual day tournament.
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You won that one. What happened day 2? Day 2,
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I went in there, um, right away within the
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first 100 yards, I think I had one blowup on a buzzbait. And I
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started looking at the current. The current was not flowing. It was not flowing like
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it was day 2. Um, I started thinking about it. I was like, well,
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I'm gonna start flipping. And I'm like, you know what, me throw
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a horny toad because they'll bite a horny toad.
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And as soon as I started flipping that horny toad, they started coming out.
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But they were coming out and slashing at it or getting it. And the ones
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that were slashing at it— there's something I told you about this already. It was
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kind of funny. I come over a log, it got hung up on the log,
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and I popped it. When I popped it, you know, that slacks the line.
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So I'm reeling up slack, and I watched that thing kind of flutter down,
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and a fish come out and grabbed it. So it kind of turned me
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on something. I'm like, wait a minute. So I started chucking the Horny Toad like
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normal, but when I came over a log, I just let it drop and I
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kind of fished it like a fluke. And just watching that thing, how erratic it
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is, is nuts. It's better than a fluke, I think. Yeah, because you
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don't know which way it's going to go. It just— it'll go backwards sometimes.
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And the fish were just hammering it. In between that, when I was flipping,
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they would pick it up And I tried 4 different baits,
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but every single bait they would just pick it up and chew on it.
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And you'd lift up and either they let it go or they just start
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swimming little circles with it. And like, you had to let them eat it.
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Yeah, I mean, it was painful. So what color Horny
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Toad were you throwing? White. White. Okay, yeah, I was gonna ask you
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if you've thrown a different color compared to your buzzbait the day prior— a gold
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blade with a white Horny Toad on it. You were throwing a straight white Horny
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Toad. You noticed a lack of current in the river,
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which made you go a little bit more subtle in your, uh,
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your approach to catching the fish and stuff. And you ended up catching like,
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what, 17 pounds that day? 14 pounds, almost 14
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pounds, but big fish was only like 4.5. Okay, so the quality of fish
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went down, but you still caught a bunch of numbers, right? Yeah, yeah.
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And that's the thing too, like the last fish I caught,
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coalfish, was actually at 4.5, and I just I just
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messed— there's a brush pile that I caught, caught 2
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off of, missed 2, came back to it. I say brush pile, but it was
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like a couple logs and there's some vines hanging down, and,
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uh, it was a pain in the butt trying to get that horny toad in
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there. But I happened to look behind me, there's a log going with the current
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and a log going across the current, and there was actually current, wind current.
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And I was like, wait a minute, there's wind current now. I was
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like, give me— pick up the buzzbait. I fired that buzzbait over there twice,
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that 4.5 just jumped all over it. Ah, but then I couldn't get a buzzbait
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bite after that. It doesn't matter, that was the winning fish. I'm happy.
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So, so Mikey— so Seth, thanks for joining us again after making— yeah, sorry I
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had to step out. You're good, you're good. Uh, this is a perfect segue.
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So, well, congrats Mikey on smoking the competition both days.
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But Mikey's talking about current and he's talking about in a, in a river system.
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Before you, uh, while you were away, we talked about shallow
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water fishing in the middle of July and August, right? Fishing for those less pressured
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fish, maybe some of the bigger fish in the lake, especially after rain,
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good rain and stuff. Looking for those strong inflows coming in where they're feeding
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on gills and bugs and lizards and everything else that's going on.
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But Mikey's talking about current, and I think that's a topic that's really
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not talked about a lot, like, and I know how important it is,
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uh, on a lot of bodies of water in, in July and August,
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specifically when that thermocline is at its strongest and they need
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the maximum amount of oxygen they can get to survive and feed and stuff like
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that. You're a big reservoir fisherman, right? You fish rivers and stuff too,
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but you're really good on places like Carr Lake, Bugs Island, whatever,
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Gaston. Obviously you just got done fishing the Potomac River.
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That was current, tidal-driven stuff like that. For the lakes,
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for the audience— so Mike, you just talked about current in the river systems,
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but for the lakes— and I'll talk about what we know, what I noticed
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the other day when we were out Uh, fishing. But talk about your approach to
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like current-driven situations, um,
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in some of our reservoirs. What's most important for the audience
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to know? So July and August,
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mainly current is king. Doesn't matter where you're at— rivers,
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lakes— current is king. If you have current, you're going to have shallow fish and
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you're gonna have shallow feeding fish, um, and sometimes more
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in August than you in July because there's still a big contingent of fish out
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deep. You'll have a lot of fish shallow in August because of the current,
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right? Um, and you'll have a lot of fish
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because of the bait as well. You'll be at the last— the tail end of
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that last bream spawn. Um, the, the big bait balls are starting
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to move back shallow again because of the thermocline. Um,
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they need to get into the best oxygenated water as well. And current just
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adds a recipe for, lack of a better word, disaster for
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shallow fishermen, right? It's just a way to go in there and catch really big
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fish shallow in those, those months. Um,
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the places to look for me would be obviously in the backs of pockets,
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um, where there's some type of inflow if you have that, right?
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Um, whether it's a small feeder creek, uh,
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runoff from rains, things like that. And then if there is
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a river system that feeds that lake.
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Those are places that I'm going to first. Now, not necessarily a river,
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but a bigger stream that will create some type of
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current flow. Now, what we have around here for a couple of the
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lakes that you mentioned, they use a dam system
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to generate electricity, so that in itself creates
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current, right? And you can go to the far end of a creek or a
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pocket. And if there's dock posts, stumps, laydowns, anything that
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will break that current, those fish are going to sit there and feed on whatever
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comes and goes as that current comes in and goes back out,
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depending on whether they're, they're backflowing or actually pulling current
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to generate electricity. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's no secret.
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Like, you guys can jump on Deep Dive and check out if you're on a
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lake where they're pulling. This isn't a Deep Dive episode,
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by the way, but it fits well with like you know, July,
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August fishing, you know, and especially like targeting, um,
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you know, targeting shallow water fish like I was talking about before. Like,
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if you're fun fishing and you just
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want to catch numbers, you can pretty much go offshore. Oh,
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can you hear me now? You got
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me? Oh no,
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can you hear me?
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Can't hear. Do you got me now? I can't
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hear you. Oh, hang on a minute.
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But anyways, I'm gonna keep talking while, uh, I think, I think Seth can't
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hear us because Ben, uh, stepped away for a minute. But, um,
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here's a question. Yeah, you're saying shallow. What's shallow?
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Right, shallow is also relative. A lot of people— is it— I
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mean, 6 foot to me, you know, that's shallow. Yeah,
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you start talking down to 12, that's a little bit like mid-range.
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Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and pause it just for a second. We'll be right
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back, folks. Mikey, you just, uh,
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you just asked a great question to the audience, or to myself, like, what is
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considered shallow water, right? Like Actually, that's a very great,
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great question. It's, it's also relative to how each individual
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defines shallow water, right? Like, go ahead, Mikey. Seth, what's shallow to
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you? So you mean in July and August?
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Yeah, shallow, general. Uh, foot and a half or less.
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Oh wow, because here's the thing,
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you're— you have a lot of fish that are cruising up there in nothing,
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in shade lines. Oh sure. And if that's all they got,
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that's all they got. So a foot and a half, I mean, to me,
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I saw fish at Gaston last week in 6 inches of water in shade
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lines. Yeah. Um, and it was 88 degrees, 89 degrees.
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And it's only gonna— there's only gonna be more fish go that
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direction as it— the hotter it gets or the amount of rain that we have
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and it circulates through a system. And like you
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said, relative to fisheries too. It is, because when you get
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out to the rivers— and the pros saw it— these fish
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get shallow. Oh yeah, I'm sorry, like Seth just
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said, a foot and a half to a foot. Yeah, I mean, sometimes they
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get back there so far, you're like, how is that fish back there? There's like
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6 inches of water. Yeah, and dude, I know this conversation between all of
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us doesn't really— you know, I hate to say it, but I don't
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think it really speaks to the guys that fish a lot of like the Tuesday,
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Wednesday, Thursday nighters, right? Like,
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that's Like, clearly those guys that go out there,
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they know exactly where they're going, they know exactly what brush pile
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they're going to, what ledge they're going to, right? But we're talking
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to the, to the masses here. Like, if you're trying to go out, for instance,
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and just practice for— like,
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just practice to practice, or practice for a tournament, whatever, and you,
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and you're not on a body of water that you fish every single day of
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the week, like Jordan Lake, or Sharon Harris or Falls Lake or anything around
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here in the Piedmont, whatever. If you're not going to your local
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lake and you're not going shallow this time of year, you could be hurting yourself,
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right? There could be some of the best quality fish that have the best
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protein diets up there in the shallow waters, and it's— you're
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doing yourself a huge disservice. And that's one of the challenges that I've had,
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um, over the years, man. Like, as I've gotten more and more in touch with
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like the offshore fishing— and offshore is also relative too, Mikey, that's like
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saying shallow— but like where I'm not casting at the bank. We'll just put
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it to you that way. When we're going off and we're looking for groups of
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fish and stuff, like, it's hard for me not to just go and
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use my mapping product and go offshore and look for those high percentage areas to
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catch numbers of fish. That has hurt me because some
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of the best quality fish are still living shallow this time of year. They do
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it in January too. I've seen it happen, right? So, um, but for,
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for you, for you guys, like Mikey, you talked about using a buzzbait and stuff,
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which is a great bait, uh, this time of year to go up there in
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the shallows and cover water, especially if you're on a place
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like the Roanoke River with a lot of timber, or you're on a grass fishery
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and stuff. Seth, you talked about using a walking bait. Are you going to use
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a walking bait in a foot of water, like really, really shallow as well?
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Yeah, if there's shad in the back of a pocket, absolutely.
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Okay, what if you— what if you notice that they're really primarily
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feeding on bream? What's your go-to bait for that? Frog or a Mock
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Patroller, yeah, popper-style bait. I mean, those 2 things just depends,
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you know. If you're targeting single fish on an isolated piece of COVID in
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the back of a pocket, then I might, I might tend to, to lean
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more towards the frog. But if you're charging or targeting
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wolf pack fish that are on bream or bait, then I'm gonna go
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to something that's moving because then it becomes no different than these
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guys that are forward-facing sonar, and it's a competition. And the biggest one's going to
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go after the most aggressive bait. And I want something that draws the biggest fish
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out of the wolf pack. And to me, that's going to be a plopper-style bait.
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So, uh, my last question on this,
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and I'll turn over to Ben if he's got anything, then I got some other
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random questions for you too. Um,
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what is— so Mikey, for, for, for you, for the audience,
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if you can give them one piece of advice for fishing in the dog
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days of summer It doesn't even have to be fishing related, it could be anything
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related. What is your best piece of advice to give people for the dog days
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of summer? Drink lots of water. I knew he was gonna
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say, you know, over the years— and eat.
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I mean, guys don't eat. Yeah, me and Nick are horrible
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with eating. When we fish team tournaments, yeah,
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we kind of have this unwritten rule that if you don't get 5 fish
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in the boat, you punish yourself. Yes, we do, we do. Because you should be
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throwing. Um, but if you don't eat and drink,
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yeah, it tears you up. It's 100 degrees out there and
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you just start doing stupid crap. Yeah, I mean, you become— right,
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you're— yep, it's just worthless. It doesn't only affect your physical
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ability, it also affects your mental capacity too when you're out there all
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whacked out because you're dehydrated and you ain't peed in like 4 hours
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and stuff like that. Uh-huh, bright orange. That's a great piece of advice
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from Mikey, who's been fishing for a very, very long time. Once you retire from
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the Army, like 1976—
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I, I'm joking. I know when Mikey retired.
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We actually crossed paths and didn't even know it in Afghanistan one time. So yeah,
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it's pretty cool. Seth, what is your biggest piece of advice for fishing
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in the month of July, August, dog days of summer, for, for those listening?
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Go until you can't go anymore. Know when to quit?
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No, I mean as far back in a place as you can go. Go until
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your boat cannot float anymore, and you'd be surprised what's laying back there
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in the shade. Yeah, I promise you, you will. Um, that's one thing
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that, you know, growing up where I grew up, fished that way all
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the time. But down here, I got sucked into being offshore and big groups of
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fish. And to be honest with you, what put me back shallow was, was I
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could not stand the boat traffic around here. It is absolutely
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horrific. So I just said, all right, I'm going back to the bank and I'll
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have to figure it out. And I did. And I just started going back because
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you don't have skiers in those places, you don't have jet skiers, right? And then
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all of a sudden you start realizing, well, maybe those fish are back there for
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the same reason and it's cooler. But yeah, don't be afraid to go
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as far back as you possibly can go and find shade, and you'll, you'll be
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surprised at what you see swimming around. So folks, Seth is speaking directly to
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me. Uh, and, and I'm taking it, I'm taking it to heart. No, but let
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me tell you, let me tell y'all a little secret. Where does— if
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you got a fishery that you're like, man, they killed all the grass in here,
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whatever, what are the first thing— where's the first place that's usually gonna start growing?
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It's gonna start growing in the shallowest water in the back of a
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creek most of the time. Not all the time, but a lot of the times.
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And when you start going back in these creeks and these little cuts and stuff
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like that and getting away from the jet skiers and the wakeboarders and the
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lake lice, as Pete likes to call them, uh, you start noticing
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things. You start visually seeing things with your eyes and you're like, hey,
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there's something there that I'm not going to tell the biologist about. You know what
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I mean? But, but it's a great way to get away from
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the traffic. It's a great way to get yourself some shade, target some
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resident fish and stuff like that too. Uh, Ben, what's your piece of
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advice for folks besides drink water and go back? If you're just out fishing
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the fish, have a good time, you're not focusing on a tournament and,
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you know, focusing on finding fish during that tournament window, go in the afternoon to
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evening. Yeah, I feel like, um,
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it doesn't translate because if— like, I've spent years,
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you know, getting off from work, from the Army, and going running up
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to Jordan in the evening in the summertime to get ready for a tournament and
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stuff. And even though it's like— but the fishing is different. I mean,
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it's always different on the weekend, and it's different in the, you know, in the
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morning and the feeds. But I feel like, especially a lot of lakes around here,
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and this even applies the places I fished in Missouri,
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um, when as the day goes on,
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you know, those fish will kind of migrate out, kind of get lazy, lay there.
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And so if you go late afternoon, you can kind of get on that bite.
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But I feel like it turns on more because Um,
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I have a feeling a lot of the fish in the summertime feed at night.
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Maybe they feed at night more, they move up shallow, and so you're starting to
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get that transition. They're trying to get hungrier and then they'll move up, but you
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can get that late evening topwater bite. A lot of times I've had more,
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uh, success, you know, evening topwater bite than I have a lot of times in
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the morning in the summertime. Maybe that's just me, but that's just, uh,
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some success I have and I mean, especially if it's full
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moon. Like, if it's like bright, they are feeding at night, you know.
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If you go out in the morning, like, they've gorged themselves all night, probably.
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Yeah. So you can turn around. So, dude, and it doesn't apply
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for tournament fishing because, like, I mean, it's jacked me
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up before because the only time you can practice is in the afternoon and night,
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and then it's not— they're not there in the day, in the morning. So night
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fishing is so fun, night bass fishing. And,
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and I'll tell you, if you never fished at night,
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A, it's scary, uh, but depending
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on where you're at. But if you're on a place like Lake Norman,
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Lake Gaston, stuff like that, you know, there are
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certain areas of the lake that you should look at to target. I'm not going
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to give you the juice, okay? Check for the lit docks. Go check for the
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lit docks, right? Because those bass are going to be up there feeding by those
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docks with lights on them. But if you're on a place like Sharon Harris or
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Jordan, used to hear the tales of the the old guys back in the day
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with the black jitterbugs, black buzzbaits, and stuff like that. But I'm gonna tell
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you right now, fish still eat offshore at
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nighttime. I have caught monster fish on big
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black shaky head worms in 15 foot of water offshore,
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one after the other after the other. And so, um,
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it's a great time to get out there. And dude, yeah, you have no boat
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traffic. The only thing you get to see on a lot of our lakes around
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here is those guys with them boats with them generators and those big old lights
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bow fishing for carp. Dude, like, that's pretty cool to watch those guys do
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that. Um, but I want to transition here. So we talked about all the things
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you like to do in the dog days of summer. Mikey, I'm at— nope,
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let me go to Seth this time. Seth, what is— what
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baits do you not even have in your boat during
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the dog days of summer? Like, give us, give us a couple baits you're like,
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I'm not even gonna have it in the boat.
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Um, I usually don't have any type of lipless
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in the boat, uh, in the summertime.
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Um, Mikey's thinking.
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That's a good question. Uh, you know,
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depending on the fishery, most of the time I get an idea what I want
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to do, but I don't usually carry much lipless. Um, and then
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honestly, I scale down my shallow water tackle a lot. Um, yeah,
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only because I, I tend to fish bigger baits in the summer—
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big jigs, full-size Game Hogs, Rage Hogs, things like that.
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Um, so I take out like,
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uh, like small beavers and things like that. I want a lot of action.
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So, um, that'd be about it,
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probably just the lipless. I mean, I still have squarebills in there because
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I do, I do fish isolated targets with squarebills. Um,
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Maybe ones I don't carry a bunch is like big thumping spinnerbaits.
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I take those out too just because usually in the summertime,
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like Ben was saying earlier, our lakes start to get a little bit lower.
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We don't get as much rainfall. We're— we've been dealing with that since April this
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year. So, um, dirty water is not much of an issue in the summer,
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so I take that out. Um, but other than that,
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that's probably the 2 that I don't carry. Everything else— but there
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again, Trey, you've seen my tackle selection. It's not crazy. You know, I got
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Rage Bugs and I have, you know, some handful of topwaters, some frogs,
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and some, and some bladed jigs. So that's about what I have all year round
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anyways. That's true, that's true. I, I do, I do have to tell the audience
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that, like, if there was the most streamlined tackle setup
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that I've ever seen, it's definitely not mine, it's definitely
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not Mikey, it's definitely not Pete, it's definitely, it's definitely Ben
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has all his organic stuff in there, but it's definitely not Ben because he
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carries a lot of tackle too.
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It's definitely not Mike Johns, who didn't join us tonight because he
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got our storm that came through. Seth, you definitely have the most streamlined
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tackle setup I've ever seen out of any competitive angler. So it's about
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efficiency. That's the only reason why. If I was a— if I was
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a recreational angler and that's all I did, I'd carry everything. But it's about efficiency,
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and so I know what I use and that's what I carry.
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Yep. And a lot of confidence. But yeah, it's a big one for me.
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I don't carry a bunch like And if guys were to get in my boat,
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I don't carry full-size 3700s anymore. Um,
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I carry small— I don't know what they are. They're,
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I guess, half-size freight. Yeah, they're small, and I carry a
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bunch of those because it has what I need, and that's it. Yep, 100%.
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Mikey, I know you, you took, you took 4 minutes to think about
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this. You better come, and don't use the Roanoke River as the answer. No.
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What do you not have in your boat this time of year? I don't fish—
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well, we fish rivers. Yeah, we don't fish— if
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I go to a lake in the summer, it's fun fishing. Okay, so everything
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in my boat's for river. Yeah. Um, so I don't have a lot of crankbaits
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and stuff in there. Okay. Um, I don't— I'm not a crankbait fisherman, so I
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mean, I have some, but I don't— yeah, throw it a lot. But yeah,
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I don't have traps in there. That ain't till like
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spring and fall for me. Um, I got a little bit of everything in
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there, man. Yeah, it's like we went to— are you, are you throwing a wacky
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worm this time of year? I, you know that I hate throwing that
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stupid thing. I'm with you, bro.
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I do hate saying it, but I am more of a power— I'd rather power
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fish. Yeah, throw a buzzbait, throw a horny toad. Yeah. Uh,
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even my damn shaky head, when I'm throwing it, I'm, I'm moving that thing.
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Yeah, it's— unless we know it's a slow, slow, slow— yeah,
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buckhorn or something. Yeah, but I'm moving. Yeah, I don't
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like sitting still. That's why I don't like this forward-facing.
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I hate it. I hate it. I don't see the sense of sitting
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on some fish for an hour and you don't get a bite.
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I just wasted an hour where I can go shallow. Yeah, and go catch some
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fish. Yeah, touché, Mikey, because that was touché,
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buddy. You know, I, I mean I know how to use it.
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I've used it to my advantage, but I'm— I,
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I can't do sit-up schools. Yeah, it's just, it's, it's a
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pain. Yeah, especially now that everybody's got it. These fish are
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not stupid. No, they're not. Trey and I experienced that this weekend.
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These fish are as smart as they've ever been, and they're only going to get
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smarter. And it's stupid to waste your time out there. But you know what was
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cool about this weekend fishing that tournament? They ate like—
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yeah, we got them on a couple urchin stuff. Like, we— I think we caught
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like 2 or 3 on an urchin, but they didn't do anything for us.
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But all of our bigger fish came off like traditional baits,
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like paddle tail swimbaits, the One Cast Fishing 5-inch Stinger
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I was talking about. Seth was throwing a little bit bigger, uh,
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swimbait and drop shots. Well, we caught a good one
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on top. Yeah, and topwater. Yeah, right, like Straight up, dude.
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Um, so we got Mikey who doesn't really throw a whole lot of
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like non-moving baits. If there is, he's power fishing a non-moving— or,
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uh, yeah, you got Seth talking about spinnerbaits. And,
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uh, what was the other thing you said? Traps.
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Traps. Ben, what's, what's not in your box in
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the dog days of summer? So if you said traps to begin with, but I
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fish enough grass, I always have traps. I mean, I get it.
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I just, it's just like I'm with Mikey on it. It's a spring and a
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fall bait for me. Yeah, um, blade baits.
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Oh, there you go.
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Yeah, blade bait, like a steel shad. Um,
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uh, probably like, uh, Shad Wraps, so like those little cold
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water things. A lot of times I probably take my
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Wiggle— my Wiggle Wart Rock Crawler crankbait box out.
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Um, I usually tend to focus on other crankbaits in the summertime,
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so Um, but like, to be honest, like,
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my tackle selection isn't as small as, uh,
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Seth's, but it's definitely— I know it's smaller than everyone else's.
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Yeah, than the rest of you guys. I just, you know, I got
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all my organic stuff and some other standard stuff. I actually need to expand out
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and, and try and do more things again. But, um,
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but like, I don't, uh, I don't carry that,
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that much stuff because like a lot of my plastics and
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stuff. And like, jerkbaits are a great cold water bait. A lot of people quit
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throwing them, but like, I, I can love a jerkbait in the summertime.
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Um, I've had some phenomenal days on it. Um,
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that's actually mine that I was gonna say, especially with scope.
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Um, I, I just, I don't, I don't, I always— so
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first of all, I'm gonna— I carry way too much stuff. Everybody knows that.
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Uh, and I have everything tied on. All the time. But there is one bait
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that usually in the dog days of summer I just do not throw, and that
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is a jerkbait. The only time I've really— and it's, it's a scope-only
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deal for me— is if I'm trying to target an individual or group
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of fish that is suspended like immediately underneath the surface. And so
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far this year, the urchin-style bait has taken over that
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because I've tried to focus on getting dialed in on that bait.
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But yeah, jerkbait Um, and yeah, same as you guys,
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lipless crankbaits, dude. Like, I'm just not— there's— there— I've heard
01:00:07.715 --> 01:00:11.980
of guys doing really, really well in schools of fish offshore throwing
01:00:12.012 --> 01:00:16.151
those, but if we're talking about like targeting more shallow water, relative shallow
01:00:16.167 --> 01:00:19.938
water areas and stuff like that, a lipless crankbait is just not
01:00:20.438 --> 01:00:23.644
going to be— I actually don't have that tied on. That is one thing I
01:00:23.724 --> 01:00:26.532
do not have tied on right now. I got a wacky worm though, Mikey.
01:00:26.612 --> 01:00:29.853
You look— I do. Welcome. You can throw it and work it like a spoon.
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You can, you can. And you can throw really, really,
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really big lipless crankbaits offshore too and do really well with those,
01:00:37.431 --> 01:00:41.397
uh, mimicking big gizzards. Yeah, glide baits and stuff. Is it—
01:00:41.542 --> 01:00:44.881
yeah, I mean, but yeah, I mean, you know, the dog days
01:00:44.913 --> 01:00:48.189
of summer, man. Like, it's, uh, you know, a lot of people talk about—
01:00:48.689 --> 01:00:51.288
like, I've seen it on, you know, social media forums where guys are going out
01:00:51.336 --> 01:00:54.515
there and blasting numbers. And then I've also seen guys that are,
01:00:55.013 --> 01:00:58.401
uh, you know traditional shallow water anglers that are having
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a really, really hard time, uh, this time of year. Uh,
01:01:02.335 --> 01:01:04.872
because when you're, when you're fishing this time of year in the dog days of
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summer, and you guys can correct me if you think I'm wrong, you're not gonna—
01:01:09.385 --> 01:01:12.516
most likely you're not gonna go out there and set the world on fire with
01:01:12.532 --> 01:01:15.760
catching 100+ fish on the, you know, in the shallow water.
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But so you may be going for 7 to 9
01:01:20.561 --> 01:01:23.918
bites a day, maybe 5 bites a day, depending on what
01:01:24.418 --> 01:01:28.405
you're doing, depending on where you're at, not not where you came from, but depending
01:01:28.421 --> 01:01:30.854
on where you're at, you, you may not set the world on fire in the
01:01:31.354 --> 01:01:34.462
shallow water situation, uh, but you might catch some of the right fish. So for
01:01:34.962 --> 01:01:37.457
those of you guys that are— and you guys correct me if I'm wrong— maybe
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some of your best numbers come in the shallows this time of year. I don't
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know. No, it's usually better than average fish for me.
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Um, I go up there and I'm 5 to 7,
01:01:48.624 --> 01:01:52.030
8 bites a day. Um, but it's gonna
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be quality. It's not gonna be you know, pound and a half, or is this
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going to be 3 pluses? Because it's either wolf packs or it's individual fish on
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isolated cover, right? And that's, that's why I think, you know,
01:02:02.247 --> 01:02:05.582
for, for those anglers out there that are getting deterred from,
01:02:05.758 --> 01:02:09.060
you know, fishing in shallows this time of year, like, look, man, like,
01:02:09.685 --> 01:02:13.100
you're fishing for resident fish or fish that just slid up there after a good
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rain or something like that, or fish that are, you know, hanging out in the
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backside of a dock because it's got a shade line. And, you know, if you
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guys go watch, uh, camera footage of— there's tons of
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videos out there, but one of the best ones that I saw, I think it
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4 years ago, uh, Swindle, uh,
01:02:30.288 --> 01:02:33.657
uh, Ben's like, ah, uh, Swindle did
01:02:34.157 --> 01:02:37.459
a video and he was talking, he was skipping docks. That was his whole
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video was talking about skipping docks. And they put some cameras underneath the docks and
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dude, those docks were absolutely loaded with bass in the middle of
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the dog days of summer. I mean loaded with them. And they, and guess
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what they were sitting right next to? Bluegills. They're all just sitting there next to
01:02:53.070 --> 01:02:56.633
each other, just hanging out. Like, one minute I'm your friend, one minute
01:02:57.133 --> 01:02:59.041
I'm your frenemy, dude, and I'm gonna try to eat you, you know what I
01:02:59.541 --> 01:03:03.278
mean? So like, if you think that there's not groups of fish up there shallow
01:03:03.778 --> 01:03:07.258
in the dog days of summer, you're wrong. Getting them to bite is,
01:03:07.451 --> 01:03:10.661
is the art of, of fishing shallow and
01:03:11.161 --> 01:03:15.059
targeting those fish during the dog days of summer, because you may throw a half-ounce
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:19.293
One Cast Fishing Snagless Jig underneath the dock one of the 18
01:03:19.470 --> 01:03:21.826
fish may eat it, and then you're not— and look,
01:03:22.932 --> 01:03:26.042
this is also something that you need to know about shallow water fish too.
01:03:27.244 --> 01:03:30.963
You will pull those fish away from that structure
01:03:31.108 --> 01:03:34.538
or cover when you're fishing for them shallow. They don't
01:03:34.554 --> 01:03:37.648
just all stay there. It's the same concept as when you're
01:03:37.664 --> 01:03:41.127
offshore and you're looking at them on forward-facing sonar and you
01:03:41.627 --> 01:03:44.173
catch one and about 50 of them come back to the boat. Well, a lot
01:03:44.673 --> 01:03:48.139
of fish do that stuff in the shallow shallows too. So that shallow piece
01:03:48.204 --> 01:03:51.415
of COVID that you fished— and Seth and Mikey and Ben, you can talk about
01:03:51.463 --> 01:03:54.963
that too— like, you may have to revisit that 45 minutes to an
01:03:54.995 --> 01:03:57.629
hour later again to catch another one off that one. Am I wrong?
01:03:58.303 --> 01:04:01.868
No, you're right. Yeah, it depends. But yeah, it depends for sure. Yeah,
01:04:02.092 --> 01:04:05.705
it depends. Like I said, a lot of times if you're around something like
01:04:06.205 --> 01:04:08.660
a bream bed and there's wolf packs, then yeah, absolutely, I'm going back to that
01:04:09.160 --> 01:04:11.547
area. But if I'm running to the very back end of a place and I'm
01:04:12.047 --> 01:04:14.930
fishing one stump, one laydown, one fish deal, yeah,
01:04:14.994 --> 01:04:19.291
yeah, yeah. So it just, it's all situational. But absolutely,
01:04:19.949 --> 01:04:23.252
um, there are going to be places on your local bodies of water that are
01:04:23.752 --> 01:04:27.790
going to hold multiple fish that you need to revisit, especially because
01:04:27.822 --> 01:04:31.493
think about it, you probably, everybody probably has a place that they'll go and they
01:04:31.654 --> 01:04:35.262
always catch a fish off something, right? Oh, I always catch fish
01:04:35.762 --> 01:04:38.323
off this dock. Well, it's not the same fish Right, so that means there's a
01:04:38.823 --> 01:04:42.041
group of fish there. There's a group of fish that lives there. So that's why
01:04:42.169 --> 01:04:45.774
you need to, to, to revisit that multiple times in a day,
01:04:46.399 --> 01:04:49.877
um, because it's, it's a group of fish usually. Yep.
01:04:50.982 --> 01:04:53.915
I got, I got one more question before we end here. I know we've been
01:04:53.947 --> 01:04:56.911
going over a little over an hour, but I, I wanna, I wanna ask this
01:04:57.411 --> 01:05:00.789
question because you hear about it a lot of times in the summertime, but in
01:05:00.901 --> 01:05:04.544
general, right? And that's talking about rotation. Getting in a
01:05:04.608 --> 01:05:07.239
bad rotation. All right, so,
01:05:08.385 --> 01:05:11.113
and anybody can answer this, it can be Seth or Mikey or Ben.
01:05:11.872 --> 01:05:15.880
What— how do you know how to get into a good
01:05:16.380 --> 01:05:19.932
rotation versus a bad rotation? Like, what are, what are some of the things that
01:05:19.981 --> 01:05:23.171
you're looking for? Seth, you can go ahead and answer.
01:05:23.967 --> 01:05:27.784
So for me, um, if I'm gonna start where
01:05:28.284 --> 01:05:31.900
I feel like there's a big population of fish in an area. So it might
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:33.988
be the back end of the creek, like I might go into a creek and
01:05:34.488 --> 01:05:38.933
I might get 4 or 5 bites off of different pieces of COVID So
01:05:38.949 --> 01:05:42.225
I'm going to start there because that's their highest percentage of getting a bite.
01:05:42.803 --> 01:05:46.913
Then from there, my rotation is going to be based on what part
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of the lake I'm in and then how much shade I have throughout the day,
01:05:50.911 --> 01:05:53.561
right? So I'm going to start on the area that's going to get the sunlight
01:05:54.061 --> 01:05:57.160
first, that I get the most bites in. That's going to have the shortest amount
01:05:57.208 --> 01:06:00.502
of shade, so I'm going to start in there because your, your percentage of getting
01:06:00.551 --> 01:06:03.331
a bite or higher quality goes up. From there,
01:06:03.604 --> 01:06:06.470
I just run— so for instance, I might have a creek I know that I
01:06:06.598 --> 01:06:09.738
can fish down a stretch that has shade until 10:30.
01:06:10.125 --> 01:06:13.168
Well, I'm not going to run that to my second or third stop. I'm going
01:06:13.184 --> 01:06:16.432
to run that later in the day, and I know that I still have
01:06:16.721 --> 01:06:20.257
a good, uh, bite window in that area because of the shade
01:06:20.273 --> 01:06:23.859
line that it creates till 10 or 10:30. Um, that's how I do
01:06:23.907 --> 01:06:27.631
it. Some guys just kind of run all over the place this
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:30.664
time of year when I'm running shade and I'm running the backs of places.
01:06:31.065 --> 01:06:34.178
I always go to the areas that get the sunlight the first and work my
01:06:34.678 --> 01:06:37.517
way to the places that have the shade the longest. Yeah, that makes sense.
01:06:37.870 --> 01:06:41.705
That makes— so you're— go ahead. I should send Braden an
01:06:42.205 --> 01:06:45.252
email from Deep Dive. They need to have a, a shade feature, you know.
01:06:45.380 --> 01:06:49.489
100%. I want— hey, I want royalties off of that then
01:06:50.067 --> 01:06:53.563
because, uh Because that obviously, that changes
01:06:53.595 --> 01:06:57.409
where you're at in the country, where the sunrise, sunset location.
01:06:57.985 --> 01:07:00.549
It's no different than in the spring of the year when you want to fish
01:07:01.049 --> 01:07:04.331
north-facing banks, right? That water heats up the fastest. So it's just in the
01:07:04.831 --> 01:07:08.338
summertime I want to find places that hold shade the longest. And that's
01:07:08.838 --> 01:07:12.120
pro— I mean, it depends, uh, but obviously it's usually the, uh,
01:07:13.001 --> 01:07:17.793
east side. And correct. And, uh, probably It'll
01:07:18.293 --> 01:07:21.691
be east to south. Yep. Yeah, southeast side.
01:07:21.803 --> 01:07:25.076
Well, and, and that's where you, you know, folks, you gotta— and we'll go
01:07:25.092 --> 01:07:27.337
to Mikey here in a second, but you got to keep your eyes open.
01:07:27.401 --> 01:07:31.348
This is one thing that, like, you know, forward-facing sonar has kind of messed
01:07:31.848 --> 01:07:35.598
with me a little bit, and it's my fault, is paying attention to your surroundings
01:07:36.098 --> 01:07:38.855
instead of getting hyper-focused in on your screen. Like, look, I got it, man.
01:07:38.951 --> 01:07:42.704
Like, I, I love using the technology, but a lot of times you miss those
01:07:42.736 --> 01:07:45.481
little things that Seth and Ben were talking about. You know,
01:07:45.850 --> 01:07:48.902
even, even a, even a, a shade or
01:07:49.063 --> 01:07:52.355
an east-facing bank can be— it's going to be
01:07:52.371 --> 01:07:56.708
vastly different. I know areas on Falls Lake that get like shade
01:07:57.208 --> 01:08:00.917
lines until 10:30 like you're talking about, and they're east-facing banks, right? Um,
01:08:01.833 --> 01:08:04.756
and it has to do with the terrain, the surrounding terrain, right?
01:08:04.884 --> 01:08:08.242
If you're going to fish a mountain reservoir in western North
01:08:08.258 --> 01:08:11.534
Carolina, or you're going to fish the Yadkin chain, which has a lot of rolling
01:08:11.631 --> 01:08:15.498
hills and stuff like that, they— everything sets up so
01:08:15.578 --> 01:08:18.272
differently. But if you're going to fish a place like out in the desert or
01:08:18.304 --> 01:08:21.271
something like that, you got to look at the mountain terrain, you got to look
01:08:21.771 --> 01:08:25.120
at the way the sun's hitting that stuff. So like, that is a great point
01:08:25.620 --> 01:08:28.456
for the audience to know about, like rotations. You're talking about chasing the sun,
01:08:28.809 --> 01:08:31.375
or chasing away from the sun is what you're talking about.
01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:35.609
Um, and that makes a lot of sense, dude. Um, well, here's for
01:08:36.109 --> 01:08:39.627
you, Trey. Well, go ahead, Seth. Well, I'm saying, here's the thing. Once I've run
01:08:40.127 --> 01:08:43.943
all my shade stuff, then guess where I go? I go
01:08:44.443 --> 01:08:47.371
right back to where I started, because then those fish are going to position themselves
01:08:47.468 --> 01:08:50.788
on the COVID the way they need to with the shade line. Exactly. Yep,
01:08:50.965 --> 01:08:54.716
same deal. Yep. So you got shade down the entire bank
01:08:55.216 --> 01:08:58.813
line, and then you have isolated shade, correct? Which is going to position the fish
01:08:59.414 --> 01:09:02.354
the exact same way that you would run offshore stuff,
01:09:02.825 --> 01:09:06.660
positioning fish on brush piles on ledges, on stumps,
01:09:07.094 --> 01:09:10.369
with the way that the sun's hitting them and creating shade lines. And so
01:09:10.401 --> 01:09:13.838
whatever, you know, for you offshore guys— and I'm— I love offshore
01:09:14.338 --> 01:09:17.450
fishing— you can treat the bank or treat the shallows the
01:09:17.950 --> 01:09:20.646
exact same way. Yeah, right. Current, shade lines,
01:09:20.822 --> 01:09:24.258
structure, cover, targets of opportunity, right?
01:09:24.451 --> 01:09:27.486
Bait. Mikey? So I don't know if
01:09:27.986 --> 01:09:32.606
you've noticed this, Seth, about Kerr, but What I've seen schooling
01:09:32.702 --> 01:09:35.575
fish, 9, 10,
01:09:35.751 --> 01:09:39.379
11, 12 o'clock in the sun on points,
01:09:40.021 --> 01:09:43.487
you will start seeing schooling fish. Yep. And I— you might see
01:09:43.987 --> 01:09:46.874
some in the morning, but I see the majority later in the day. And you
01:09:46.906 --> 01:09:50.260
may not see them schooling, like blowing up like crazy,
01:09:51.015 --> 01:09:54.000
until 12 o'clock, right? Did you say bugs?
01:09:54.465 --> 01:09:58.208
Huh? Did you say bugs? Yeah, Bugs does it, Tillery does
01:09:58.320 --> 01:10:01.502
it. Well, Tillery makes sense because Bugs does
01:10:01.759 --> 01:10:04.105
have herring in it, so that kind of makes sense with the herring because the
01:10:04.605 --> 01:10:07.800
herring love the sun. That's right, they move up. Yeah, yeah.
01:10:07.881 --> 01:10:11.512
But there's a thing too, like Tillery and Kerr,
01:10:12.765 --> 01:10:16.139
it drives me nuts for topwater because you
01:10:16.639 --> 01:10:20.301
want to run shade and they're in the sun. When it's bright sunny,
01:10:20.879 --> 01:10:23.978
oh, it's perfect. It's great topwater. But when it's cloudy, yeah,
01:10:24.170 --> 01:10:27.797
it sucks. It's awful. People don't realize that it's
01:10:27.861 --> 01:10:31.391
awful in those places when it's cloudy. It's backwards. Yep.
01:10:32.353 --> 01:10:35.883
Well, you know, this is interesting too. So Seth and
01:10:36.383 --> 01:10:38.803
I fished a tournament out on, uh, on Mayo Lake. I'll just say it,
01:10:38.852 --> 01:10:42.141
right? Everybody knows that lake's a clear water
01:10:42.641 --> 01:10:45.141
reservoir. Um, clear water,
01:10:45.607 --> 01:10:48.799
it's a— that's a whole nother podcast in itself about bait
01:10:49.299 --> 01:10:53.195
selection and movement and stuff like that. But, you know, one of the things,
01:10:53.371 --> 01:10:56.578
uh, for those of y'all that are listening, you know, fishing clear water
01:10:57.078 --> 01:11:00.346
reservoirs, try to find some of the more stained water in your
01:11:00.846 --> 01:11:04.211
reservoir. Because, you know, we— there are— there is some stained water, and we ran
01:11:04.711 --> 01:11:08.268
across it. You could— you would— you would be out in the middle of
01:11:08.300 --> 01:11:12.389
clear water, and the bait would be suspended on a bright bluebird sky
01:11:12.889 --> 01:11:16.366
day, right? But you would slide 25,
01:11:16.398 --> 01:11:19.574
50, 100 feet off to this area, and this water has a little bit more
01:11:19.606 --> 01:11:22.814
stain to it based on the runoff, and the bait's all pushed towards the bottom,
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:27.481
right? Why that is, maybe because of whatever,
01:11:27.545 --> 01:11:30.609
right? They can't see as well, so they're trying to get to the closest amount
01:11:31.109 --> 01:11:34.281
of COVID to keep themselves protected. So the fish are down there. So the way
01:11:34.426 --> 01:11:37.938
we were catching them 200 feet this way was
01:11:38.131 --> 01:11:40.938
vastly different than the way we were catching them 200 feet that way, right?
01:11:41.258 --> 01:11:44.563
And it was, it was night and day. It was like you're fishing 2 different
01:11:44.707 --> 01:11:48.718
lakes, dude. I'm telling you right now. So Uh, that's another thing during the dog
01:11:49.218 --> 01:11:52.296
days of summer is water clarity, man. Like, pay attention to that water clarity because
01:11:53.050 --> 01:11:56.323
your bait may be relating like you were talking about on Bugs and Tillery in
01:11:56.823 --> 01:11:59.821
that clear water to certain stuff, but then you go up into a place like
01:11:59.870 --> 01:12:03.079
Grassy Creek at Bugs and it's a little bit more stained water and
01:12:03.579 --> 01:12:06.994
your bait's relating differently. So your bite is going to be different, your bait selection
01:12:07.494 --> 01:12:10.332
is going to be different. That's why I carry the whole tackle box. Well,
01:12:10.380 --> 01:12:12.482
that's not why, because I'm too lazy to take it out of the boat.
01:12:12.546 --> 01:12:16.362
That's the real reason. But still, like your bait's going to be relating
01:12:16.394 --> 01:12:20.080
differently in different parts of the lake, so your bait selection could be different.
01:12:20.625 --> 01:12:24.246
Um, and it's crazy to me, dude, I— this— a lot
01:12:24.746 --> 01:12:27.387
of our lakes that you were talking about, like Tillery and Bugs and Gaston and
01:12:27.887 --> 01:12:31.970
stuff, they remind me so much of northern fisheries up in Michigan
01:12:32.483 --> 01:12:36.088
and Wisconsin and stuff like that, where you can get away with throwing topwater
01:12:36.168 --> 01:12:39.581
all day long in the brightest bluebird sky conditions, and it—
01:12:39.710 --> 01:12:43.044
because they're sight feeders. And they want it that way, you know
01:12:43.060 --> 01:12:45.985
what I mean? So anyways, Ben, what was you gonna say?
01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:48.912
I was gonna ask you, like, when you're fishing offshore,
01:12:49.908 --> 01:12:52.978
uh, the rotation is a little bit different. I mean, you talk about how shade
01:12:53.478 --> 01:12:56.159
plays a little bit of role, but that shade is much less of a role
01:12:56.272 --> 01:12:59.580
than, than fishing the bank. So how do you, how do you,
01:12:59.596 --> 01:13:03.018
how do you know when you're in good or bad rotation, uh, for,
01:13:03.229 --> 01:13:05.877
uh, like fishing offshore brush piles, ledges?
01:13:06.090 --> 01:13:09.725
Because, uh, that, that's To me, that's more— it's more of a timing
01:13:09.774 --> 01:13:13.544
deal. Yeah. And if you're targeting maybe isolated fish
01:13:14.044 --> 01:13:16.863
under a dock or stump, uh, a laydown shade.
01:13:17.652 --> 01:13:21.179
So I mean, for me, offshore fishing, like getting into a
01:13:21.679 --> 01:13:25.704
good rotation, has to do with, with really 2 factors, and that's bait
01:13:26.204 --> 01:13:29.793
and that's current, right? So like, you know, Mikey and Seth talked
01:13:30.293 --> 01:13:33.514
about current. Current exists. There's underwater current seams that
01:13:34.014 --> 01:13:37.694
you can't see. You have no idea what the current is doing underneath
01:13:38.194 --> 01:13:41.067
the water. You only see what's going on in the surface, which is why your
01:13:41.567 --> 01:13:44.970
contour lines are so important on your map, right? So you're looking for those saddles,
01:13:45.002 --> 01:13:48.134
you're looking for those humps, you're looking for, um, those creek
01:13:48.198 --> 01:13:51.796
channels, you're looking for the generation schedule on a lake, which,
01:13:52.294 --> 01:13:55.763
you know, Deep Dive, you can pull up if, if they're generating on a
01:13:56.263 --> 01:13:59.136
lake or not, how much water they're pulling and stuff like that. And you can
01:13:59.636 --> 01:14:02.460
start targeting those high percentage areas. I noticed it the other day when we were
01:14:02.573 --> 01:14:05.912
out on Gaston My wife and I were out there, Seth was out there testing
01:14:05.961 --> 01:14:09.910
some new, um, Lew's rods, and the bite was phenomenal.
01:14:10.536 --> 01:14:13.795
The bite was absolutely phenomenal on those offshore places,
01:14:14.453 --> 01:14:17.808
those high percentage offshore places that I talked about— brush piles,
01:14:18.178 --> 01:14:22.223
stump fields, um, creek channel swings, uh, all those
01:14:22.255 --> 01:14:25.980
things— because they were drawing water. As soon as that
01:14:26.108 --> 01:14:29.399
water slacked off, I mean as soon as it
01:14:29.899 --> 01:14:32.672
slacked off That bite— I don't know about you, I think I called you,
01:14:32.688 --> 01:14:36.586
Seth— that bite died. It absolutely died.
01:14:36.938 --> 01:14:40.708
And that's when it was like, okay, either go shallow or go
01:14:40.868 --> 01:14:44.525
target individual brush piles, because now those
01:14:44.557 --> 01:14:48.118
fish need to hold on something or move somewhere
01:14:48.246 --> 01:14:51.213
so that they can get in a position to continue to ambush bait.
01:14:51.598 --> 01:14:55.207
The bait was just being brought to them. So I look for current, if they're
01:14:55.707 --> 01:14:58.623
drawing water, or if there's a natural current like a river or something like that.
01:14:58.992 --> 01:15:01.976
And then I look for, um, what was the other thing I said?
01:15:02.906 --> 01:15:06.210
Current and something else. Bait. Bait. Bait was the other
01:15:06.710 --> 01:15:10.621
thing, right? I'm literally— so I use my side scan a ton this
01:15:11.121 --> 01:15:14.599
time of year. And then much like the, the shade lines like Seth
01:15:14.952 --> 01:15:18.561
and Mikey were talking about, like, I will also chase, uh,
01:15:19.106 --> 01:15:22.122
chase the sun, um, this time of year.
01:15:22.972 --> 01:15:26.019
Sometimes the sun, the sun does a really good job offshore
01:15:26.083 --> 01:15:30.090
activating the bite. And it may not— it
01:15:30.590 --> 01:15:33.214
activates the bite in the shallow because of the shade lines, but it activates the
01:15:33.230 --> 01:15:36.515
bite offshore. And maybe because it's shade lines, but it really fires them up.
01:15:37.059 --> 01:15:39.318
Um, so I feel like, you know, a lot of guys are like, oh,
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:42.955
there's that dead period between like 10 and 12 offshore
01:15:43.148 --> 01:15:46.657
where they're really not feeding that well. They are feeding, you just have to
01:15:46.673 --> 01:15:50.390
go throw some different bait selections at them. They may not be eating a deep
01:15:50.438 --> 01:15:54.443
plug. So to answer your question, I will go and
01:15:54.943 --> 01:15:57.988
find the maximum amount of bait in the lake, whether or not it's on the
01:15:58.488 --> 01:16:01.954
north end, south end, east end, west end, and then find out what
01:16:02.067 --> 01:16:05.647
position they are in the lake. That's why I like fishing lakes around here.
01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:09.404
I don't like that Ben and Seth really keyed me onto that, is because you
01:16:09.904 --> 01:16:13.370
can't really pattern our lakes as well in the central North
01:16:13.386 --> 01:16:16.309
Carolina region as you can going up to like Gaston and Kerr,
01:16:16.453 --> 01:16:19.761
because it's more spot-driven. Like, they're always
01:16:19.809 --> 01:16:23.600
going to be on that spot, right? Um, so I'll look for the maximum
01:16:24.100 --> 01:16:26.621
amount of bait. I'll look for the kind of bait that they're feeding on,
01:16:26.717 --> 01:16:30.509
whether or not it's gizzards or threadfin or whatever. And then I'll look at,
01:16:31.216 --> 01:16:34.510
um, what was the other thing I said? Bait and
01:16:35.010 --> 01:16:38.334
whatever. Current. Golly. And the current. I don't
01:16:38.834 --> 01:16:42.367
know why I keep messing that up. Uh, and then I will literally run—
01:16:43.685 --> 01:16:46.674
that's a practice thing, right? So like, I won't be able to do it like
01:16:46.738 --> 01:16:50.221
right off the rip. So it'll be like, hey, am I targeting
01:16:50.269 --> 01:16:53.510
the fish that are in 8 to 10 foot of water at the beginning of
01:16:53.542 --> 01:16:56.574
the day, and then I'm moving out deeper later on the day as
01:16:56.606 --> 01:16:59.959
the underwater current is more prominent out there? And so
01:16:59.975 --> 01:17:03.681
it's like going shallow to deep to deep to deeper
01:17:04.066 --> 01:17:07.403
and then following that thermocline like you talked about. And really,
01:17:08.382 --> 01:17:11.831
uh, Seth talked about this to me before, uh,
01:17:11.847 --> 01:17:14.461
we had to turn around gas, and it's like Hey man, pick a zone.
01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:18.277
You got to pick a zone of the lake, right? And that's where quality— they're
01:17:18.341 --> 01:17:22.092
going to be fish biting all over the lake most likely, but you
01:17:22.592 --> 01:17:26.484
got to zone yourself into whatever section of the lake you're getting the most quality
01:17:26.596 --> 01:17:30.043
bites in, right? And that truly was something I never
01:17:30.543 --> 01:17:34.083
really realized because our reservoirs here, they're too small
01:17:35.093 --> 01:17:38.523
to really pick a good zone. In my opinion, they're too small to pick a
01:17:39.023 --> 01:17:42.486
good zone. You need like 30-plus thousand acres to really hone
01:17:42.534 --> 01:17:45.536
in on a good zone of a lake. I mean, even Jordan,
01:17:45.584 --> 01:17:48.971
you could run from Pose to Farrington and north of that in like 15 minutes.
01:17:49.357 --> 01:17:52.984
Yeah, exactly. That's, that's not even— that's a whole, that's a whole zone on
01:17:53.484 --> 01:17:57.206
a big lake. That's a whole zone, right? I can go fish one laydown in
01:17:57.254 --> 01:18:00.657
Stinking Creek and I can run all the way up to Bush Creek, fish another
01:18:00.770 --> 01:18:04.044
laydown. And then you say, well, the pattern's laydowns. Well, no shit,
01:18:04.060 --> 01:18:07.415
it's 14,000 acres. Like, I can go fish laydowns everywhere.
01:18:07.656 --> 01:18:10.878
You can stay in Grassy Creek. That's like fishing Grassy Creek from the
01:18:11.378 --> 01:18:14.885
back to the front. Yeah, yeah. Um, but offshore rotation,
01:18:15.029 --> 01:18:18.492
I think offshore rotation is pretty tough. I really do. I think it's
01:18:18.992 --> 01:18:22.419
a very tough deal. Um, and, and that's also relative to the
01:18:22.919 --> 01:18:26.042
time of year too, because I got my teeth kicked in at Eufaula,
01:18:26.651 --> 01:18:30.145
uh, offshore when I was fishing shallow and I should have been fishing offshore.
01:18:30.899 --> 01:18:35.003
And what a lot of those guys dialed in was the offshore rotation Uh,
01:18:35.324 --> 01:18:38.983
was because of the immediate post-spawn that was going on,
01:18:39.079 --> 01:18:42.610
and fish were constantly coming to them. That's the other thing about
01:18:43.110 --> 01:18:46.510
offshore fishing for, for folks out there during this time of year.
01:18:47.441 --> 01:18:50.860
They're— and Seth talked about it a little bit too— you could
01:18:50.892 --> 01:18:54.182
be fishing at the end of July offshore, and then
01:18:54.682 --> 01:18:58.515
all of a sudden those fish are gone, right? They moved,
01:18:59.061 --> 01:19:02.273
um, because now things are changing and are— in,
01:19:02.450 --> 01:19:05.824
in August is coming upon us and bait's starting to migrate potentially,
01:19:06.531 --> 01:19:10.050
uh, so you got to follow the baitfish. And you, you could find yourself
01:19:10.550 --> 01:19:14.057
fishing behind fish, uh, in the dog days of summer where you think
01:19:14.557 --> 01:19:17.240
they should be. I can tell you right now, and this goes for the audience
01:19:17.740 --> 01:19:21.364
listening from the central North Carolina region, our thermoclines on Jordan Lake and
01:19:21.864 --> 01:19:25.381
Sharon Harris have changed. They're not the same as they were before.
01:19:25.788 --> 01:19:29.205
They're shallower. Because we're in a drought. So now there's
01:19:29.285 --> 01:19:32.528
less oxygen in the lakes right now. So a lot of the
01:19:33.028 --> 01:19:36.350
stuff you were fishing before in 15, 18 foot of water,
01:19:36.687 --> 01:19:40.396
you're not fishing that anymore because the thermocline is higher
01:19:40.525 --> 01:19:43.800
in the water column. So you can't fish those same brush piles as
01:19:43.816 --> 01:19:47.429
you used to be able to before. So Mikey, go ahead, let's hit
01:19:47.929 --> 01:19:51.202
on that real quick. Thermocline, Seth, do you see a lot of thermocline up at
01:19:51.702 --> 01:19:55.035
Gaston? Kerr? Not usually because the water's moving.
01:19:55.227 --> 01:19:58.434
Kerr, yes, you'll see it occur more than you will, uh,
01:19:58.834 --> 01:20:00.902
Gaston because sometimes they won't, you know,
01:20:02.201 --> 01:20:05.535
the water won't move as much, especially if the
01:20:06.035 --> 01:20:09.960
systems are stable, meaning like Kerr is, or Gaston's at a good level
01:20:10.460 --> 01:20:13.566
where they don't have to push too much through to generate electricity downstream.
01:20:14.448 --> 01:20:17.879
Um, but at Gaston it's hard to find because there's so much water movement in
01:20:17.911 --> 01:20:21.092
the place. Yeah. Um, now I will see
01:20:21.592 --> 01:20:26.147
it, uh, at Bugs like this time of year, it's probably 35-foot-ish.
01:20:26.873 --> 01:20:30.407
Um, and then it'll get less and less as,
01:20:30.585 --> 01:20:33.247
as the summer goes on. But right now they're still pretty deep. I mean,
01:20:33.263 --> 01:20:36.788
I know a lot of guys are still catching fish that 35-foot zone.
01:20:37.289 --> 01:20:40.606
Um, which tells me that there's still a pretty good depth of
01:20:40.622 --> 01:20:44.068
thermocline there. I mean, that's a great question, Mikey. I mean,
01:20:44.265 --> 01:20:48.037
it's like Yak and chain. Yeah, I've never seen a thermocline until we bait
01:20:48.102 --> 01:20:51.697
because it's always running. That's something, you know, Ben, to keep— to
01:20:52.197 --> 01:20:54.473
go into your point on that one's like, you may,
01:20:55.709 --> 01:20:59.561
you may not even have to fish offshore, or you may not even understand
01:21:00.061 --> 01:21:03.269
the rotation offshore if you don't have a thermocline, or you don't, you know,
01:21:03.285 --> 01:21:06.511
that con— that water is constantly moving. I think you still can dial it in
01:21:06.559 --> 01:21:10.459
though offshore, uh, with constant moving water. You're really looking
01:21:10.556 --> 01:21:14.632
for targets at that point. I think you're looking for those offshore ledges,
01:21:15.049 --> 01:21:17.648
those brush piles, stump fields, and stuff like that.
01:21:18.258 --> 01:21:22.172
Um, and I think it's much like shallow water fishing. You just follow shade lines
01:21:22.429 --> 01:21:25.846
underwater, you follow baitfish population. And, uh,
01:21:26.119 --> 01:21:29.424
you know, that's also a thing where if you're not getting bit,
01:21:29.488 --> 01:21:32.745
you need to pull the trolling motor up and move. Uh, because offshore
01:21:32.793 --> 01:21:37.398
fish, you either— there's 2 things with offshore fishing that really I
01:21:37.446 --> 01:21:40.895
haven't really truly figured out yet. Unless it's on one of
01:21:41.395 --> 01:21:44.859
our lakes here. There's a time, there's a zone,
01:21:45.132 --> 01:21:48.678
a window where they're gonna actively feed. And that, I think that takes
01:21:48.742 --> 01:21:52.561
years of experience on bodies of water to truly figure out
01:21:53.155 --> 01:21:56.990
when they're the most active. Some guys are better at it than I am when
01:21:57.022 --> 01:22:00.231
it comes to figuring it out within a 3-day window of practice.
01:22:00.697 --> 01:22:04.532
But it's like, I can go sit on a spot for 6 hours
01:22:04.724 --> 01:22:08.045
and have confidence that I'm going to be able to catch fish on
01:22:08.093 --> 01:22:11.684
Sharon Harris in an hour and a half to 2-hour window. What's up,
01:22:11.700 --> 01:22:15.082
Seth? I'm not sitting anywhere for 6 hours. Thank you.
01:22:15.210 --> 01:22:19.217
Unless I'm at the house, dude. Unless I can fish everything. The first
01:22:19.717 --> 01:22:23.176
tournament, dude, the first club tournament I ever fished— I love it, man, I won
01:22:23.224 --> 01:22:26.366
it— I sat in the same spot for 6
01:22:26.866 --> 01:22:30.645
and a half hours with a Minn Kota Maxim trolling motor, keeping it
01:22:30.693 --> 01:22:35.021
in the same position, throwing the same Strike King 5XD.
01:22:35.547 --> 01:22:38.623
Until they activated and, and I busted them,
01:22:39.251 --> 01:22:42.262
right? Like, I can do that offshore,
01:22:42.955 --> 01:22:46.501
right? That's something that I think is, uh, you either, you either
01:22:46.517 --> 01:22:50.179
really know it or you get darn lucky, right? Uh,
01:22:50.453 --> 01:22:52.986
but I can do that. I can sit in an area all day long.
01:22:53.115 --> 01:22:56.179
I've done it on several of our lakes. I don't care because I— if you
01:22:56.679 --> 01:22:59.096
have the confidence that, you know, the quality of fish is there and they're gonna
01:22:59.596 --> 01:23:02.062
bite at some point, you just got to figure out how to make them bite,
01:23:02.078 --> 01:23:05.924
then you're good. Right? And that's— I've done that on places like Mayo before
01:23:06.424 --> 01:23:09.260
where there's— it was all current driven and I just had to wait for the
01:23:09.292 --> 01:23:12.308
fish to— the baitfish to come by and it was— and they activated them,
01:23:12.356 --> 01:23:15.308
right? So, um, but I don't know, man. I,
01:23:15.885 --> 01:23:19.141
I think that's a hard question to answer. And,
01:23:19.157 --> 01:23:22.686
uh, maybe we'll get like a real purebred offshore fisherman
01:23:23.186 --> 01:23:26.552
on here, uh, that fishes offshore 100% of the time. I don't know.
01:23:26.616 --> 01:23:29.920
You fish offshore a lot, Ben. What, what do you think the answer to
01:23:30.420 --> 01:23:33.966
that is? I mean, that's, that's something I haven't quite figured out, um,
01:23:35.395 --> 01:23:39.217
to get in that good rotation. Like, uh, as you're talking about, like, they get
01:23:39.717 --> 01:23:41.689
in these feeding windows and,
01:23:43.151 --> 01:23:46.715
you know, it's the same if their fish are at brush piles or,
01:23:47.662 --> 01:23:50.376
you know, because if you roll up and they're kind of on that feeding window—
01:23:51.018 --> 01:23:53.957
and now it's a little bit easier with LiveScope because you can see the baitfish
01:23:54.133 --> 01:23:57.765
moving around and fish moving around. But, but if they're not doing that, I mean,
01:23:57.798 --> 01:24:01.999
you could soak a shaky head or throw a weedless Ned
01:24:02.499 --> 01:24:04.600
or in like something down there, and you might pick up one or two,
01:24:04.729 --> 01:24:08.919
but it's gonna be very painful. But like, if you're brush pile fishing,
01:24:08.935 --> 01:24:12.106
like, you need to rotate because there's usually not as many fish on them.
01:24:13.072 --> 01:24:16.671
Yeah. And so it's very easy, like brush pile fishing, to get all,
01:24:16.751 --> 01:24:18.904
you know, your rotation get all messed up because,
01:24:20.366 --> 01:24:23.654
uh, they, they all don't hit the same window at the
01:24:24.154 --> 01:24:27.732
same time. It's not like there's a 2-hour window that all brush powers
01:24:28.232 --> 01:24:31.296
are firing. And so that's— I think there is a little bit of luck involved.
01:24:31.344 --> 01:24:34.314
I think you have to rely on practice for that. Yeah.
01:24:34.571 --> 01:24:37.846
Um, and then take what you learned in practice and
01:24:37.862 --> 01:24:41.073
apply it to the conditions in your tournament, you know. I mean, look what
01:24:41.137 --> 01:24:44.926
Cliff Prince did last year. Was it last year he got his first Elite
01:24:45.426 --> 01:24:48.763
Series victory, or the year before last on Wheeler Lake in Decatur,
01:24:48.844 --> 01:24:52.469
Alabama? He sat on day 4 in the same spot,
01:24:52.549 --> 01:24:56.222
Power-Pole down all day long, and made the same exact
01:24:56.722 --> 01:25:00.632
cast, or kind of had a zone with a chatterbait and
01:25:00.664 --> 01:25:04.786
a big old worm. And he sat there all day long
01:25:05.139 --> 01:25:09.292
and fished that offshore on the Decatur Flats because he knew that
01:25:09.792 --> 01:25:12.452
fish were coming to him, and at a certain point they were going to activate
01:25:12.952 --> 01:25:16.365
in that eelgrass and they were going to bite. You can burn yourself doing that,
01:25:16.445 --> 01:25:19.493
but a lot of guys have success doing that But
01:25:19.557 --> 01:25:22.924
I just don't think outside of LiveScope that,
01:25:23.245 --> 01:25:26.918
that if we remove that from the equation, because that really does
01:25:27.190 --> 01:25:29.917
gives you the signs, like you don't have to figure it out.
01:25:30.542 --> 01:25:34.247
Um, if unless you have years of experience under your
01:25:34.747 --> 01:25:38.352
belt or you, you just know, I don't know how you know, that to
01:25:38.852 --> 01:25:42.249
me is like either straight luck or years of experience on a body of water.
01:25:42.506 --> 01:25:45.794
It really is. I think that's a lot. And like The same thing
01:25:46.294 --> 01:25:49.328
applies if you're fishing points or ledges, right? You know,
01:25:49.408 --> 01:25:52.845
that throughout the different day, those baitfish will move up and those bass will move
01:25:53.345 --> 01:25:56.475
up to feed, to corral them on those points and ledges, and then drop back,
01:25:56.893 --> 01:26:00.475
maybe suspend off and stuff. Obviously, we know, you know, back in
01:26:00.975 --> 01:26:03.976
the day they said you can't catch a suspending fish. Well, we know that's not
01:26:04.024 --> 01:26:08.008
true. So like, you can still target those fish when they're not actively
01:26:08.024 --> 01:26:11.671
up there feeding. It's just going to get less. I think it's something too You
01:26:11.687 --> 01:26:15.547
got to look at your body of water. Um, you know, like Jordan
01:26:16.047 --> 01:26:19.648
Lake, they pull water, but they usually don't pull that much. But, but they,
01:26:19.664 --> 01:26:23.019
they still go through windows where they pull more than others. But on that body
01:26:23.035 --> 01:26:27.223
of water, you have a river section where there's always water coming
01:26:27.255 --> 01:26:30.700
in, and there's always more current down there on
01:26:31.200 --> 01:26:34.793
the southern end of the lake, uh, consistently because the Haw's
01:26:35.293 --> 01:26:38.840
running, running in. And if they're not pulling water, some of that's going
01:26:39.340 --> 01:26:42.180
to like backfill in. But like if you're up in the mid-lake or up,
01:26:42.404 --> 01:26:45.423
you know, past 64 Bridge, um,
01:26:46.354 --> 01:26:49.324
like that current can get a lot more slack because one, it has to go
01:26:49.824 --> 01:26:53.514
through the, uh, uh, the bridges there, right?
01:26:53.803 --> 01:26:57.239
Yeah. And, and it just has to go a long way, long way to go,
01:26:57.335 --> 01:27:00.723
and there's not as much inflow coming in on the, on that side compared to
01:27:01.223 --> 01:27:05.159
the Haw River. So like there's times that when the water— when
01:27:05.192 --> 01:27:08.330
there seems to be less flow or the water's more slack,
01:27:09.360 --> 01:27:13.094
like being down the river system. But if— but then if it changes, you can
01:27:13.594 --> 01:27:16.488
run to different parts of the lake. And that's just— but see, that takes a
01:27:16.988 --> 01:27:20.143
lot of time of practice or experience on a particular body of
01:27:20.643 --> 01:27:23.963
water to, to kind of notice those things. We just need Seth and
01:27:24.463 --> 01:27:27.800
Mikey to give us all their brush piles on Jordan Lake. Hey, I ain't got
01:27:28.300 --> 01:27:31.679
none. Sometimes it don't matter. Because yeah, the last club tournament I
01:27:32.179 --> 01:27:36.158
fished at Jordan Lake, I took big fish of
01:27:36.190 --> 01:27:39.225
a 6.9. It was big fish for the entire year for the club.
01:27:39.626 --> 01:27:43.720
Wow. And it was out of a brush pile, and it was like I
01:27:44.220 --> 01:27:46.770
was fishing a lot of the ledges and the brush piles and stump up by
01:27:47.270 --> 01:27:51.056
Farrington, but then I went down to a particular one little brush pile
01:27:51.104 --> 01:27:54.347
that I've had a lot of luck on, uh, which wasn't far.
01:27:54.540 --> 01:27:57.847
I pointed it out to you at the, uh Uh, lake cleanup day where
01:27:58.347 --> 01:28:01.267
it was at. It's just like a dude effing bank, it's off there. And I
01:28:01.300 --> 01:28:05.121
caught that 6.9 out of there. And then I— that was probably about like 9
01:28:05.137 --> 01:28:08.831
or 10 o'clock. That was my first fish. And then I ran
01:28:09.393 --> 01:28:12.909
like 50 different brush piles. Every brush pile I pretty much
01:28:12.941 --> 01:28:16.795
had marked. Like, I didn't get another bite. Yeah. And so like
01:28:17.295 --> 01:28:20.553
bad rotation, uh, you know, different stuff like
01:28:20.569 --> 01:28:24.359
that. It just— yeah, that's the deal. But like
01:28:24.859 --> 01:28:26.907
I, I caught that big one, I was like, I'm gonna commit to it because
01:28:27.407 --> 01:28:30.723
I know— because my thought process was there's fish on brush
01:28:30.755 --> 01:28:33.609
piles, like I've got to run into a couple more here and there. And of
01:28:33.625 --> 01:28:36.655
course it just, it didn't happen for me. But, um,
01:28:37.970 --> 01:28:41.449
but that just makes it very hard with brush pile fishing like that because you
01:28:41.949 --> 01:28:45.987
can have 120 mark, but if you're in a bad rotation or something, like you
01:28:46.051 --> 01:28:49.434
get burned easy too. Well, and then, you know, you asked
01:28:49.498 --> 01:28:52.849
a question, we asked it about shallow water fishing and offshore fishing.
01:28:53.346 --> 01:28:57.432
You can get into a bad rotation because you're fishing behind somebody, right? That's another
01:28:57.512 --> 01:29:00.925
thing too. If you're fishing a tournament and you got 100+ people on
01:29:00.957 --> 01:29:04.979
the water, the chances of you fishing behind somebody are probably
01:29:05.059 --> 01:29:08.360
pretty good, right? So, and that was like that, that day, that was my
01:29:08.860 --> 01:29:12.479
other factor. There was like, uh, a couple, you know, maybe it
01:29:12.495 --> 01:29:15.972
was a PBC out there. Yeah, Seth was probably out there fishing it.
01:29:16.372 --> 01:29:19.802
Yeah, this is a few years ago. There's a couple other tournaments
01:29:20.042 --> 01:29:22.865
And so like every single point and every single like,
01:29:22.929 --> 01:29:26.586
you know, traditional spot like you would go, had somebody on it, had somebody
01:29:26.682 --> 01:29:28.943
on it. And at least with brush piles, I was like, well, I've got a
01:29:29.443 --> 01:29:32.231
lot marked that— yeah, people, some people know where they're at, but like,
01:29:33.193 --> 01:29:36.785
you're— most people don't have all these marked and can run exactly to
01:29:37.285 --> 01:29:40.811
all of them. But hey, again, I got burned pretty much that day except for
01:29:40.955 --> 01:29:43.762
catching the big fish, so I guess it was worth something. But, uh,
01:29:43.938 --> 01:29:48.079
100%. But that was my thought process,
01:29:48.272 --> 01:29:51.643
and that was like a June or July tournament too. Oh yeah,
01:29:51.788 --> 01:29:55.481
yeah, I suck on that. I think everybody gets scared about fishing behind
01:29:55.981 --> 01:29:59.174
people. Oh yeah, and you don't. Yeah, don't get
01:29:59.674 --> 01:30:02.771
scared, dude. I fish behind so many people and catch them, dude.
01:30:03.188 --> 01:30:07.218
I waited one day for a point on Gaston. 7 different
01:30:07.718 --> 01:30:11.808
boats, 7 boats, community hole. I fired up,
01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:15.047
finally got over there because I was gonna go fish it because I
01:30:15.547 --> 01:30:18.094
knew exactly how I was gonna fish it. And I threw a shaky head up
01:30:18.594 --> 01:30:21.496
there— no, I threw a drop shot up there and I catch like a 3.5-pound
01:30:21.996 --> 01:30:24.612
spot. It broke off in the boat.
01:30:25.984 --> 01:30:29.121
I was like, all right, flipped it. Yeah, no, I didn't boat flip it.
01:30:29.201 --> 01:30:31.789
When I got in the boat, something broke off, whatever. But I picked up a
01:30:32.289 --> 01:30:35.099
shaky head and fired it all the way out on the point, and as I
01:30:35.163 --> 01:30:38.410
did that, a boat comes flying up next to me. I'm like, what are you
01:30:38.910 --> 01:30:41.430
doing? He's like, oh, I thought you were leaving. I was like,
01:30:41.930 --> 01:30:45.390
whatever. I catch a 4.5 and
01:30:45.890 --> 01:30:47.830
I fish for another 10 minutes. He's trying to come up again. I was like,
01:30:48.330 --> 01:30:51.210
you know what, you can have it. Oh man, I'm going. Well, that's, that's what
01:30:51.710 --> 01:30:54.410
you get in the dog days of summer. Seth talks about that all the time,
01:30:54.910 --> 01:30:58.450
you know, like, uh, you, you may go out and practice and you may
01:30:58.950 --> 01:31:02.550
find 120 different spots that you want to fish, and 119
01:31:03.050 --> 01:31:05.937
of them on tournament day are going to have somebody on them, right? Um,
01:31:06.017 --> 01:31:08.407
and that's just— that's the nature of the beast. And you know what, Mikey,
01:31:08.503 --> 01:31:12.095
I agree with you. Don't be— 2 things: don't be afraid to fish behind people,
01:31:12.111 --> 01:31:15.591
and don't be afraid to fish behind yourself, right? I do that
01:31:15.639 --> 01:31:18.526
all the time. I know Seth does it. We all do it. I'll turn the
01:31:19.026 --> 01:31:22.198
trolling motor around, especially if I'm going down a bank line of docks or something
01:31:22.214 --> 01:31:25.646
like that, and I'll make those same flips. I might change up my bait selection
01:31:26.240 --> 01:31:29.190
and give them something different to look at. But you, you fired a drop shot
01:31:29.690 --> 01:31:32.503
out there, turn around, fire a shaky head out there. And that's a— that's,
01:31:32.745 --> 01:31:36.544
you know, when the— when your wives ask you, why do you have 892
01:31:37.044 --> 01:31:40.246
fishing rods? Well, that's the reason why, because I got to throw that bait that
01:31:40.746 --> 01:31:42.848
looks a little bit different on my second cast after I catch a fish.
01:31:43.436 --> 01:31:46.488
I mean, so you're right with that. 2 of the club tournaments I won,
01:31:48.154 --> 01:31:51.721
it was a quarter or half mile stretch. I just— it was kind of,
01:31:51.737 --> 01:31:54.624
uh, one was the Choctaw, a creek in the Choctaw, and one was on McIntosh.
01:31:55.191 --> 01:31:58.985
Yep. And I literally lined yourself all day I went down both sides of the
01:31:59.485 --> 01:32:03.089
bank and a quarter, half-mile stretch, and I would just loop or, you know,
01:32:03.634 --> 01:32:07.641
pick it apart. One was topwater, one was a Texas rig trick
01:32:08.141 --> 01:32:11.857
worm, um, just making those loops around. And I probably
01:32:12.114 --> 01:32:15.592
each day— one was a 2-day tournament— I probably fished
01:32:16.041 --> 01:32:19.455
the same, didn't even fire the big motor up, like 5 or
01:32:19.955 --> 01:32:23.511
6 times, you know. And Seth's like, I can't do that, I gotta
01:32:24.011 --> 01:32:27.406
pull that trolling motor, bro. Not necessarily, but yeah, I get it. I mean,
01:32:27.663 --> 01:32:30.760
it's— but that goes back to finding the zone. You found the zone.
01:32:30.969 --> 01:32:33.749
Yeah, and I found both those zones.
01:32:34.584 --> 01:32:37.460
The Choctaw one, I caught— I never caught a big one in the tournament,
01:32:37.717 --> 01:32:40.143
but it was enough to win the tournament. But I caught like a 5,
01:32:40.995 --> 01:32:44.144
um, 4 or 5 in practice. And then in McIntosh,
01:32:45.252 --> 01:32:48.706
um, I caught a couple good ones a little bit farther
01:32:49.206 --> 01:32:53.446
from what I actually fished. I did fish where, like, in McIntosh, where the
01:32:53.946 --> 01:32:56.817
stretch that I caught those fish, but I never had anything. But like, I started
01:32:57.317 --> 01:33:00.808
before, and when your first and third casts are like 5 and 6 pounders,
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:04.863
it's like, oh yeah, kind of hard not to fish that area. Well, hey folks,
01:33:04.911 --> 01:33:07.572
we've been going for about an hour and a half here. I want to ask
01:33:07.796 --> 01:33:10.906
one more question to both of these guys. Seth, you're getting ready—
01:33:11.323 --> 01:33:15.426
well, first, thank you guys for joining us this afternoon talking about offshore,
01:33:15.506 --> 01:33:19.256
you know, shallow water fishing offshore, what you're looking for, bait selections, what you
01:33:19.353 --> 01:33:22.895
don't have in your boat. Uh, this just gives me the opportunity to study
01:33:23.395 --> 01:33:26.758
my competition. No, I'm just kidding. Um, Seth, you're getting
01:33:26.790 --> 01:33:30.421
ready to head off to, uh, the St. Lawrence River for the MLF Toyota
01:33:30.921 --> 01:33:33.634
Series event. Um, what are you, uh,
01:33:34.405 --> 01:33:37.076
what are you looking forward to, man? Cooler weather.
01:33:39.787 --> 01:33:42.162
You still need to drink water, Mikey said. Yeah. Uh,
01:33:42.938 --> 01:33:46.299
no, I mean, I, I really— for the people who have never been,
01:33:46.802 --> 01:33:50.143
this is my, this is my PSA to that. You need to take
01:33:50.273 --> 01:33:53.728
one trip to the North Country, because I'm going
01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:57.004
to tell you right now, it's some of the most incredible fishing
01:33:57.052 --> 01:33:59.894
and fisheries that you'll ever see in your life. Um,
01:34:01.146 --> 01:34:04.502
big largemouth, big smallmouth, crystal clear water, and they
01:34:05.002 --> 01:34:08.661
bite. It's fun, and the water— the weather's nice. Um, the only
01:34:08.693 --> 01:34:11.551
thing that sucks is the drive up and a drive back. Other than that,
01:34:11.663 --> 01:34:15.115
those places are phenomenal. But yeah, I mean, I love it up there.
01:34:15.340 --> 01:34:18.805
You know, I went up last year and Really fell in
01:34:18.837 --> 01:34:21.975
love with it. Um, so I'm really just
01:34:22.475 --> 01:34:25.081
looking forward to getting back up there, man. You know, catch a big smallmouth in
01:34:25.274 --> 01:34:27.980
a foot and a half of water is always fun. Um,
01:34:28.882 --> 01:34:32.284
so that's what I'm basically looking forward to. And Seth doesn't need a
01:34:32.784 --> 01:34:36.138
flogger, for those who are wondering, because he's 872
01:34:36.638 --> 01:34:40.657
feet tall, so he can just see straight down. You don't need
01:34:41.157 --> 01:34:44.941
a stepping stool. No, man, we wish you luck going up there and,
01:34:45.099 --> 01:34:48.890
uh, You had a, a great amount of success from the Potomac River,
01:34:49.390 --> 01:34:51.790
and, you know, hopefully you do well in this tournament, and then the last one,
01:34:52.290 --> 01:34:55.550
it qualifies you for, uh, the championship, and you go knock that out of the
01:34:56.050 --> 01:34:58.710
park. So, uh, but make sure you hang out with us just for a second.
01:34:59.210 --> 01:35:02.490
Mikey, you just won back-to-back tournaments with your club. What's your
01:35:02.990 --> 01:35:07.370
next derby coming up? Chowan River. Chowan River.
01:35:07.870 --> 01:35:11.110
I don't think you're going to be throwing that buzzbait. I bet y'all will.
01:35:12.430 --> 01:35:15.370
It's a frog. It's a frog. Yeah, I'm gonna actually try a couple different things.
01:35:15.870 --> 01:35:19.180
Gonna be up there for 2 days pre-fishing. Um,
01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:22.840
am I gonna start looking out offshore, meaning no deeper than 8,
01:35:23.340 --> 01:35:26.520
9 foot? Oh, I got you. I'll send you some pins. Okay, I got
01:35:27.020 --> 01:35:30.130
you. Are you putting in a different eating pin or a Husky?
01:35:30.200 --> 01:35:34.500
They can trailer, right? No, not in this one. Oh really?
01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:38.460
Yeah, yeah, that's what we used to— I'll make the run, trust me.
01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:42.720
I, I don't— I'm not scared. Mikey's not scared to put that, uh, backwater creeks.
01:35:43.220 --> 01:35:46.810
They'll be loaded up there. Oh, they're gonna be biting. Well,
01:35:47.310 --> 01:35:51.650
you better have an urchin-style bait. I ain't
01:35:52.150 --> 01:35:55.900
got no confidence in it yet. Ben's like, you don't need an urchin.
01:35:56.070 --> 01:35:56.770
No, you don't.
01:35:59.420 --> 01:36:02.870
Uh, Seth, have you used it yet? Oh yeah, he's using it. Oh yeah,
01:36:03.370 --> 01:36:06.090
yeah. You got confidence in it yet? Oh yeah. Okay.
01:36:06.590 --> 01:36:09.810
Yeah. Hey, I've— I've— I'm telling you, first fish I caught
01:36:10.310 --> 01:36:13.673
on it, Mikey, was 7.5, a gassed That'll put some confidence
01:36:13.721 --> 01:36:17.541
on you right there. I don't think I've caught anything bigger
01:36:17.669 --> 01:36:20.911
than like 5 pounds on it, which— that I'm not being ungrateful.
01:36:21.504 --> 01:36:25.035
Um, I've caught my biggest fish like throwing big swimbaits
01:36:25.535 --> 01:36:28.533
and stuff this year and big jigs. But, uh, I'm telling you right now,
01:36:28.582 --> 01:36:31.582
like, it's a bait that, you know, it'll, it'll taper off.
01:36:31.647 --> 01:36:34.808
It'll continue to get bit forever. It's like the Whack. But, um,
01:36:35.065 --> 01:36:38.579
it's the drawing power of that bait is like a glide bait.
01:36:38.836 --> 01:36:42.466
Man, it's, it's crazy to me, right? They're just really aggressive towards it. Uh,
01:36:42.547 --> 01:36:45.679
but one of the things for the audience, if you're, if you're seeing a lot
01:36:46.179 --> 01:36:49.887
of fish following, like, there's a great backup bait to throw, especially if they're not
01:36:49.952 --> 01:36:53.469
feeding up and they're feeding down. Throw a big swimbait,
01:36:53.791 --> 01:36:57.244
throw a big jig. They'll feed on that stuff still too. It's not
01:36:57.744 --> 01:37:00.248
just the urchin. It's the world of the urchin, but I'm telling you right now,
01:37:00.296 --> 01:37:03.685
they eat a lot of other stuff. Mikey talked about it with the buzzbait.
01:37:03.766 --> 01:37:06.657
Seth talked about it. We talked about it with the One Cast Fishing Stinger.
01:37:07.588 --> 01:37:10.816
Um, so yeah, man, so you're gonna go up crush smallmouth, you're gonna
01:37:11.316 --> 01:37:14.846
go crush some big old, uh, river bass. Ben, you're finishing
01:37:14.894 --> 01:37:18.282
up the boat project, right? Yeah, after, uh,
01:37:18.828 --> 01:37:22.377
since we'll get all this rain the next 2 or 3 days. Yep. Then hopefully,
01:37:22.441 --> 01:37:25.973
uh, this weekend or early next week I'll get
01:37:26.473 --> 01:37:30.052
my, uh, my dash put on and just, uh, then hooking up the graphs
01:37:30.164 --> 01:37:33.745
and should be good to go. Awesome, man. Well,
01:37:33.761 --> 01:37:36.988
we're getting ready to gear up here. I just got all my safety equipment for
01:37:37.488 --> 01:37:40.890
the final Bassmaster Open of the year up at Lake Erie. Gonna be heading up,
01:37:40.906 --> 01:37:44.695
staying overnight at Pete's dad's house. He's gonna cook us some steaks and drink
01:37:45.195 --> 01:37:48.019
some cold beers and then, uh, head on up to Lake Erie for the final
01:37:48.067 --> 01:37:52.001
event for the year. And then all of us are gonna hopefully be at
01:37:52.501 --> 01:37:55.582
the Special Operations Bass Angler Charity Tournament, annual Mark McCowan,
01:37:55.678 --> 01:37:59.390
in November. Seth Ellis won Uh, the 2025,
01:37:59.890 --> 01:38:03.270
uh, SOBA event at Lake Norman. So, uh, we're gonna have to go
01:38:03.770 --> 01:38:07.430
up there and, and lay some, some havoc on— I don't get to fish
01:38:07.930 --> 01:38:11.170
this year. Uh, well, I'm a director, so— oh yeah, that's right,
01:38:11.670 --> 01:38:15.110
I am fishing it. Uh, oh yeah,
01:38:15.610 --> 01:38:18.710
I'm— I think I'm boat number 1 this year, so it's pretty awesome.
01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:22.010
Um, but yeah, man, number 1,
01:38:22.510 --> 01:38:25.130
huh? I think the winner from last year should be boat number 1. You can
01:38:25.630 --> 01:38:27.910
be boat number 1, I'll be boat number 1.5. I'm just kidding, I don't— you
01:38:29.060 --> 01:38:32.190
want to be boat number one. You like to be the last boat in every
01:38:32.302 --> 01:38:35.239
tournament. I actually like that too. Yeah,
01:38:35.817 --> 01:38:39.140
yeah. If— look guys, if you're trying to sign up for the SOBA
01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:42.976
event at Lake Norman, it's always the Friday before Veterans Day. You can go
01:38:43.476 --> 01:38:46.299
to the Special Operations Bass Angler Facebook page, you can go to the website,
01:38:46.347 --> 01:38:50.200
but the Facebook page where they do the DMs is really where, uh,
01:38:50.280 --> 01:38:54.100
the sign up is at. And, uh, our good buddy Nick Kincaid manages
01:38:54.116 --> 01:38:58.274
that, so just shoot a, uh, a message on the SOBA Facebook page saying,
01:38:58.306 --> 01:39:01.519
hey, I wanna, I wanna enter into this tournament, and that'll be the
01:39:01.599 --> 01:39:04.939
boat number. So it's based off who enters first, that's where your boat number is,
01:39:05.036 --> 01:39:08.778
right? Yep. Uh, it's a great event, make sure you come out and support it.
01:39:09.228 --> 01:39:13.339
Seth, you got the, uh, the Strike King Road to the Opens Championship
01:39:13.387 --> 01:39:17.627
on Table Rock in September. Ben and I will be at the MPFL Military
01:39:17.659 --> 01:39:21.144
Classic on Douglas Lake, uh, in September as well.
01:39:21.353 --> 01:39:24.796
So looking forward to that. We got a lot more fishing Uh, coming ahead,
01:39:24.877 --> 01:39:27.879
guys, if you don't have anything, I'm gonna close this out. You guys good?
01:39:28.363 --> 01:39:31.979
No, appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Make sure you guys stay online, don't log
01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:35.098
off just yet. Thanks everyone for joining us on this week's episode of The One
01:39:35.130 --> 01:39:38.186
Cast with our good buddies Seth Ellis and Mikey Nadeau. Ben,
01:39:38.849 --> 01:39:42.406
thanks for hopping on here. Thanks for One Cast Fishing and all of our
01:39:42.906 --> 01:39:46.447
other sponsors. And thank you for helping us continue growing culture of anglers helping anglers,
01:39:46.805 --> 01:39:50.392
one cast at a time. That's a good one.
01:39:51.072 --> 01:39:53.404
That's a good one. Oh God, it's a toad.
01:39:56.566 --> 01:40:00.383
It's a fucking hope, dude. Let's go. I wake
01:40:00.883 --> 01:40:02.917
up to a little bit of drool on my pillow, feel like it's gonna be
01:40:02.966 --> 01:40:03.502
a bad day.