Ochelli Effect 10-9-2026 Friday Night Open Mic with B PETE

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The Ocelli Effect is sponsored by WallStreetWindow.com and listeners like you.
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And now, the most underrated voice in all media, Chuck Ocelli.
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It is October 8, 2026, allegedly according to that thing
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we call a calendar. This, The Ocelli Effect, and it
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is Friday night, the open mic time. Now, I did
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not release the Thursday Jam just yet. uh had other
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things occupying me like trying to find bottled water because
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i'm in storm prep mode over here i don't even
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think i'm not doing anything major and i don't have
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the money to do it even if i wanted to
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but uh you know little bottled water is never a
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bad thing to have around house anyway uh so you
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know i try and keep some on hand but it's
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been tight lately so you know nothing extra We used everything.
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But anyways, how are you doing? Where are you at?
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If you're in Alabama, you probably can't even hear me now.
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But whatever's going on is going on. So we're going
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to talk about whatever's on your mind tonight. And how
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do you do that? Well, you join into the conversation
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at 319-527-5016. We did go to air about eight minutes
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after the hour of eight yesterday. p.m. Eastern, but that
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means we'll just go to 10 after 10, most likely tonight.
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That is if the internet gods cooperate, and there's no
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electrical disruptions or anything like that. So we'll be live
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unless I'm not, you know, with a live wire. How
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about that? All the way till at least 10 after 10,
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and you can call in and be part of this.
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319-527-5016.
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And I always try and give the caller priority for,
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you know, setting the bar. And I got to tell you,
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I'm getting some interesting reviews of Jimmy James' Wild Kingdom already,
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and it's not even a show, because he's had some
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interesting animal stuff lately. And some of it I found
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way too funny, I guess, the one day. I couldn't
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even stop laughing. Anyways, my co-host B. Pete is with me.
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And like I say one more time, I know I'm
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going to repeat it way too many times, 319-527- five
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zero one six and last week somebody called in like
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two hours after we were done um obviously hearing the
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replay or something so it is what it is anyways
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bp how has your week been my friend oh.
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It's been pretty good we've had some uh had some
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decent weather all week but we're gonna start hitting rain
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for today start tomorrow after it passes by you guys
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we get cast off so i went and Bought some
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additional inside lights.
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And I'm going to wire them up in the garage,
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give me more light out there. It'll be a nice
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rain day activity.
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Other than that, I've spent the day spraying Roundup, trying
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to get rid of all these vines growing up on
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fences around here.
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So we'll see how well that stuff did.
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Well, you know what else I got is some of
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those solar lights that are driven into the ground. They're
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not too deep, but they look like they're kind of
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deep into the ground. Um, and, uh, you know, if
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I really need light in the house, I might just
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grab those for at night. Uh, because after all, it'll
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kind of work and it'll be charged all day. Right.
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So what the hell? Um, you know, they got the
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little solar cell on them and, uh, you know what
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I'm talking about, right?
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Yeah.
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You just need to make sure that, uh, when you're
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using them, you're not pointing light at the solar switch.
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Oh, right.
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You got too much light. They'll shut off. Right.
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If it's too bright, it'll shut off.
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So put some tape over it or something. But, yeah,
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that's the perfect thing to use in a storm is
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get the solar stuff out. My brother's got a battery
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system that he can actually run his refrigerator off of,
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and it's got one of those roll-up solar mats that
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you hang outside, and then you can run the wires
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into the battery pack and charge it that way.
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Nice emergency. You don't have to run a generator.
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I like that. I also have, you know, a little
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wind up radio and I have several wind up flashlights
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because inevitably, you know, with three of us in the house,
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somebody will lose one. So I've got about six of
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them just to make sure, you know, because somebody will
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lose it or leave it somewhere. It'll turn off and
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then they won't be able to find it again.
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What is that damn radio that they used to advertise?
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Art Bell used to advertise it.
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Oh, yeah, that was... It was a wind-up model.
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Yeah.
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And I was going to get one of those, but
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they are ridiculously expensive.
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Yeah, that brand name is. But, you know, as with
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all things, if you go to a Chinese knockoff, you
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can find an AM FM radio combo with a flashlight.
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Matter of fact, the one I have actually can temporarily
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or give a little charge to a cell phone, depending
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on how powerful the battery is or whatever. Um, so,
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you know, I can actually wind up and chart. Now
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the radio, the only thing that sucks about it is
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the radio does not last that long.
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Okay.
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Like I've got about a half hour of listening before
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I have to sit there cranking it up again. But
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other than that, it's not bad, you know, and it's easily, it's,
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it still fits in a good size pocket on your pants. So,
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you know what I'm saying? It's compact. And I got
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little tiny, just dedicated flashlights that also wind up. But again,
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buying the cheap Chinese stuff, you get varying quality.
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Now, my brother, he bought me a light years ago
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for Christmas, and it's got– it's the equivalent of like
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two AA batteries, but it's in one battery inside, and
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it's rechargeable.
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Yep.
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And it– you can charge it either through USB off
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your computer or in your car. But the nice thing
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about it is not only does it give you light,
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but if your phone battery is low, you can hook
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your phone up to it, and it will charge your
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phone enough to give you about a half a full charge,
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three-quarters of a full charge, and still have plenty of
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power to power the light.
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Yeah, you can do that. Or if you happen to
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have a laptop that holds a charge, right? You can
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just charge things off of the laptop with the USB. See,
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that's the good thing about all this, you know, interchangeable
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USB stuff anymore is that like I can charge some
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of these lights and and things like that, you know,
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some of the rechargeable, this and that, and the third
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thing with just a couple of laptops, even if the
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laptops aren't functional, as long as the battery is cool, and,
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you know, you still have a good housing for the HDMI,
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or not HDMI, excuse me, the, oh God, I just
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said it too, the, you know, the plug, if you
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have it, and it sends a charge, you have the
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right kind of cord to send a charge, you can
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charge a lot of things just off of your laptop battery,
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which is not bad for your small electronics, certain flashlights.
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There's a whole bunch of those, you know, with the digital, like,
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you know, they don't heat up lights and all that stuff,
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that are pretty powerful and can get you through.
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I found the radio. It is the C-Crane radio.
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Oh, there you go.
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And the cheapest version they've got.
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Like, what, 200 bucks, right?
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Let's see.
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CC radio, solar AM FM weather, alert wind-up, emergency radio
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with Bluetooth.
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Oh, it's got Bluetooth.
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AMFM Weather Emergency Radio with Bluetooth, $ 109.
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99.
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Yeah, see, I told you, $ 200, right? And I don't
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think Art Bell was alive when Bluetooth was a thing,
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so they've obviously upgraded the radio. But, no, that was
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one of the big ones, yep.
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Well, now, take that back.
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They do have a pocket, the C-Crane Pocket AMFM NOAA
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Weather Radio with alert and a clock and a sleep
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timer for $ 74.
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99.
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Nice now does that have a flashlight on it no
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okay well see now they're cutting you a little short
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for 75 bucks though but that reminds me of the
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stuff they had a whole bunch of different brands actually
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i think some of the people that made the gps
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units what was it garmin or whatever.
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Uh you used to actually used to have.
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One yeah well radio shack realistic yeah go ahead sorry I.
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Was going to say a realistic brand, Radio Shack.
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Right. Well, Radio Shack had, you know what, Tandy, Realistic.
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There was a couple other brands that were all, you know,
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supposed to look like different brands, but they were all
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Radio Shack. And they had a wind-up radio also. But
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Army-Navy stores had, like, exclusives on stuff like Garmin wind-up flashlights.
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I think it was Garmin. It was one of the
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GPS companies. Remember when GPS was a whole separate unit
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that people had on their dashboard?
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Yeah, so those things. There were a couple of those companies,
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and Garmin's the one I keep remembering, but maybe it's
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not that one. It was something that sounded like it
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or whatever. Probably the knockoff of that.
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Yeah, here's a portable emergency solar radio with a hand crank,
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NOAA weather alerts, LED flashlight.
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And 2,000 megaamp power bank for $ 29. 99. See, there you go. $ 30,
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not bad.
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You know, but I found that the little red one
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I have now, my radio only lasts for like a
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half hour playtime. But, you know, and my flashlight lasts
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longer than the radio. But radio doesn't actually, you know,
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radio reception is not a high impact thing energy wise,
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which is weird. But it's all hand crank. There's supposedly
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a solar cell on it, but I never seem to
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get to use it because every time it's always sitting somewhere,
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not charged that way. But I always wind up using
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the hand crank option and I get like 30 minutes
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worth of radio out of it and then I got
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to crank it up again. But mine I got for like,
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I don't know, 10 bucks. You know what I'm saying?
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That's a bargain.
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Yeah.
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I mean, but but that's the thing is if you
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go to some of these like AliExpress, you know, the
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Chinese junk websites, Timu, Sheen, whatever, all those things. Right.
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you look around a little bit, you poke around, you'll
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find that $ 30 model first, poke around a little, you'll
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find almost exactly the same thing or a clearly a
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knockoff version of, and it'll be, you know, a half,
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a third of the price. So, you know, I'm just
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saying you do a little searching, you can find your little,
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and I always love the crank up flashlights. As a
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matter of fact, I think the best one I ever
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got was from, um, Let me think about this.
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Oh, right.
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There was a gift basket that was given to us
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when we signed up with the Mike Adams Radio Network.
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Remember the Health Ranger? Yeah. During our contract negotiations, he
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sent out gift baskets. And you know what it was?
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A bunch of Health Ranger products.
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Is that the same guy that's the Health Ranger on Twitter?
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He was the Health Ranger on Alex Jones. It's probably
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the same guy. I'm sure he's got that trademarked. Mike
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Adams is the guy's name, if you want to look
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him up and see. But he had a radio network
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briefly when radio networks were a little more, because I
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still have my little thing. But my thing is a dinosaur, really,
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because in the early 2000s, there were online radio networks
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that were special. Now, every terrestrial radio is available through
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an app. Wasn't the case back in, you know, 05, 08,
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2014 even. So, you know, when I started doing this,
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it was special and new. And you had a free
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way to listen to radio anywhere you had Internet access.
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Ooh.
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But nowadays, like I say, you can get almost any
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radio station you want unless they're playing some sort of
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sporting event on it. You can get radio from anywhere.
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I can listen to New Jersey radio whenever I want,
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and I do it sometimes when I'm homesick, actually. I
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listen to the local stations there.
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Radio reception is a little weird here.
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Out in my shop, I've got a radio CD player
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in it. picks up okay, but it's the megastations that
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bleed over everything else. So if you've got something within
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two dial numbers of what you're listening to.
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can fine-tune it in, and finally the.
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Static will go away.
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But it's kind of a dead spot in the area
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I am for picking up radio.
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Especially FM. Yeah, I don't know how to articulate this
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to people, but I'm willing to bet that at some
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point you came across this as a kid or a
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little later. Um, you could go to Radio Shack since
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you mentioned Radio Shack and buy a build your own
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radio kit. Right.
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Do you remember those? I had one of the I
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had one of those crystal radio kits.
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There you go. And I mean, these things would run
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on the most minimal possible power. I mean, literally, if
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you caught it at the right time, you know, that
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point in time when they teach you how to use
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a potato and turn it into a battery in school,
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which I don't think they do anymore.
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Right.
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But anyway, yeah, you could use a potato as a battery.
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No kidding. You can also use the earth as a
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battery if you put the right rods into it. But anyway,
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let's not go there. There is free energy all around us.
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We just need to know how to harness it. Anywho,
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back to it. The radio was interesting because you could
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tweak it a little bit, and it gave you directions
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how to set it up, right? And you could get
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a perfectly good working AM and FM, and if you
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got the bigger kit, you could get some shortwave bands, right?
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you remember this? Okay. Well, the thing is that taught
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me a little bit about the limited, like you could
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limit the tuning options or you could expand them. So
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cheaper radios, what they figured out how to do when
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they started. Cause remember CD boom boxes and stuff used
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to be ultra expensive pieces of equipment. And then for
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a little while they became like $ 20 items. And now
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they're almost unheard of, right? You don't really see the
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CD boom box anywhere. No, who's got CDs anymore.
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Right. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's a thing of the past. Yeah.
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But those of us that bought them now, if you
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bought a Sony or whatever, you might notice your radio
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stations give you a little more options because they switch
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the way that they do broadcasting so that it covers
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all that. But it's also on a digital sort of frequency,
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which is different. Plus, they reorganize things when they sort
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of eliminated CB radios. You know, notice you don't see
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those around so much anymore either. Occasionally you see them,
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but police don't use them anymore. They use a totally
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different type of communication. Right. So and a lot of
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things are based off of cell towers, depending on where
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your populated area is. And yes, there is indeed free
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use of cell towers that's granted to certain organizations. Anywho,
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they reorganized the way things were done. The FCC did
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publish this stuff, but nobody read it. OK, you know,
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this is how all those cell phones, by the way,
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you know, ended up getting their grants for all these
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frequencies and pieces of the airwaves, the public airwaves. You know,
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they're supposed to be ours, but we never get paid
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a single cent for them. And, you know, in the FCC,
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you only hear about them when they want to, you know,
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curtail language or whatever. But the truth is, they're really
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there just to regulate, you know, people bleeding over top
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of each other as far as radio signals go. And,
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you know, that's why I talked to you about I
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don't know if you remember a couple of years ago,
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I kind of got hot for the idea, but never
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got it together of, you know, putting together our own
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chain of radio stations, because you could do that without
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a license. Now, this is oh, wait a minute. He's
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going to say something positive about the Trump administration under
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the Trump administration. They deregulated the smaller radio stations. So
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you don't even require FCC licensure. If your power is
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under a certain limit. Now, the thing is, you can
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string these things together and declare them separate radio stations,
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and you could create a massive interlocking network that could
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bleed over top of all kinds of things and really
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take over the airwaves if we were able to link
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them all together a few miles apart, a few towns
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apart at a time. We could create a coverage map.
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and determine whatever it is we want to do with
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it with a whole bunch of independent operators doing the maintenance.
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And the maintenance is not that difficult. It's a little
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bit of electricity and an antenna in your backyard, pretty much.
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And I've also seen people adapt them to hang them
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off of their balconies in apartments and even put them
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on the roof of apartment buildings. It is possible. There
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are people doing this, by the way. And the concept
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was developed in the early 2000s initially, but it was
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mostly pirate signals. It was called micro broadcasting. And it
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is still a possibility in the Trump administration actually deregulated it.
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So now there's no fines. There's very little. The only
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thing that can be a problem is if somebody does
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complain to the FCC about you, then they have to
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go find you. So, you know, you can't just get
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away with doing anything. But Pretty much if you behave
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within broadcast standards basically for– what is it? 17– no,
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19 hours a day. You got five free hours where
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it doesn't matter what you say on the air. But
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that regulation still exists, and you could do that where
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19 hours out of the day if you behave– You
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could go hog wild for like, say, four solid hours
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without an issue. And, you know, you leave yourself a
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buffer on either side. So there's no question of timing
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and violation. And the FCC doesn't even get to regulate
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you outside of that at all. No license fee, no issue,
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no telling you what you can do with your power
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levels so long as you don't exceed a certain power
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level and etc. So I always found this fascinating. But
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back to that Radio Shack radio. See, here's the thing.
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This is an alternative in the event that, like, say,
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you know, Internet becomes untenable for, I don't know, poor
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folks or if the government shuts it down or if
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a massive EMP or a serious cyber attack occurs that
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literally destroys the infrastructure. You have alternatives for mass communication
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at your fingertips with a minor investment and a little
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bit of knowledge. And I mean just a tiny bit.
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It takes very little to figure out. And a blind
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guy with a toolbox can do it. So guess what?
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So can you. We could have an independent network of communication.
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that would be outside of the preview of the government
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and would be beyond their regulation and most likely beyond
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even the scope of their normal monitoring. Because to my understanding,
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the NSA, which is supposed to monitor like basically every
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signal that's sent, you know, kind of the basic summation
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of what their, you know, alleged purpose is, they're supposed
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to monitor all sorts of signals. So they don't monitor
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radio like they used to at all. It's not a
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priority because of the massive databases that need to be
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maintained over digital and all that. And also they assume that,
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you know, outside of like your major radio stations are
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all on digital bandwidths. That's where they're primarily being received
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from at all. And in addition, they're being relayed on
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Internet all over the place, which, again, like I say,
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was a special thing 20 years ago. But now not
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very special. Everything. You can go listen to the college
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radio station or the guy who literally has everything. If
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you wanted to, if you got the right app, you know,
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like when you used to go to like the Safari
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at Six Flags and they tell you to tune to
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a certain radio station and therefore you could hear the
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narration of the monkeys and everything else while you're driving through.
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That was on a radio band that is now available also.
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And I could tune into Great Adventure, which was the
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Six Flags outlet in New Jersey. And I could listen
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to the Safari as people drive through if I wanted to. Um,
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you know, right now with an internet relay, because that's
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how much of this crap is out there. Um, so,
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you know, it's all in how you search and what
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you search, right? Anyway, I'm just trying to give people
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options outside of the AI driven answer machines that everybody's
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becoming dependent upon in case we ever wanted to communicate.
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Good.
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Sorry.
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While you were talking, I looked up, remember, um, remember
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the movie that came out, um, Pirate Radio.
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It was a British film.
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It was titled Pilot Radio in the U.S.
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It had Philip Seymour Hoffman in it.
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Oh, yeah, and it had a different title.
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It had a different title in Europe.
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It had a different title in Europe, right?
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Yeah, it was called The Boat That Rocked.
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That's it. Yes. Okay, okay. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah.
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But I was looking at that.
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They still have an estimated more than 150 pirate radio
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stations still operating throughout the U.K.
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Yep.
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Well, here's the other thing. Once you broadcast from international waters, right,
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you now have no singular regulation over your broadcast. Which,
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by the way, was a plan that was hatched by
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somebody who was thinking about how is it we're going
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to continue alternative media if the Internet all gets shut
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down and everybody gets blacklisted. There was a guy who,
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I'm not going to mention the name, used to be
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a frequent guest on this show. Um, and he, his
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whole plan is if he, uh, he was suing the
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U S government. Now, somebody who really knows the history
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of the show knows who I'm talking about. Uh, but
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he was suing the U S government when he got
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his settlement. That was the big thing. He wanted me
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to run the broadcast ship. Like in other words, me
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and my family would live at sea. Okay. And run
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the 24 seven operations of the radio ship. that was
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going to just be in international waters like permanently. Okay.
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Can you dig that? What do you think of that
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would be, Pete? Is that an offer? Is that an offer?
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Oh, yeah, definitely.
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You know, we'll fly in everything. And if your wife
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wants to leave, we'll fly in a new one of
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those for you too, was one of the statements made
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to me. You know, your son gets old enough, we'll
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fly in girls for him.
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Um, that would be a good job. And the thing is,
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you just can't leave it.
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That's the only thing, you know, can't drive down to
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the corner or McDonald's and grab you a burger and
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a shake and go do something else.
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You're pretty much, it's like working on an oil rig,
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you know, you're there.
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Yeah.
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See, that's the thing. Like, I remember when, uh, you know,
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I was given the, uh, okay. So you remember during
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desert storm and there was that whole thing that went
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on real quickly, uh, Well, there were a whole bunch
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of independent contracts for construction workers. OK. And at the time,
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I was still involved a little bit in construction, like
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right around my 18th birthday. And there were independent contracts
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where the government was paying people to go over there
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and rebuild parts of Kuwait and this and that. And
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I mean, every kind of contractor imaginable, including laborers, if
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you knew who was who. And I was offered one
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of these things where, listen, you can go there. You
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live there for one or two straight years. You have
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to stay, you know, on a particular compound. OK, you
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can't interact with the locals at all. All your stuff
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is brought in for you and all that. Plus, we
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pay you. And the pay rate was, you know, I
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don't know, triple what you would get in the U.S.,
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but you're being paid for 24 hours of every day.
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Yeah, I know a guy, he was an engineer, private
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engineer in Greenville, and he went over to work for
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Saudi Arabia on a couple big projects they had over there.
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He was over there for a year and a half.
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Everything he made was tax-free.
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They were paying him like two to three times the
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normal rate over here for an engineer per hour.
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And this guy made a fortune. He sold his business
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before he left.
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He came back and ended up being a county engineer
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in a nearby county for, oh crap, 15 years.
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This guy was sitting on a gold mine.
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But he said that year and a half over there
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was probably the toughest year and a half, although it
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was great money. He said just the fact that you
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were so restricted as to what you could do and
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where you could go and what you could have. And
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he said it really made it rough. But I mean,
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he said he's glad he did it. But, you know,
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that's just that's a that's a very restrictive world to
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00:25:17.730 --> 00:25:18.289
move into.
485
00:25:18.309 --> 00:25:21.589
Yeah, it would be a tough haul. But as I said, OK,
486
00:25:22.049 --> 00:25:24.720
so imagine they're going to pay you whatever. Let's just
487
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:29.180
say your hourly wage is 10 bucks. OK, 1991. And
488
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:31.740
for a construction worker to get $ 10 on the Jersey
489
00:25:31.809 --> 00:25:34.049
Shore meant you were working off the books and under
490
00:25:34.089 --> 00:25:37.210
the table. So here's the thing. If somebody told you,
491
00:25:37.230 --> 00:25:40.990
I'm going to pay you $ 20 an hour, except we're
492
00:25:41.009 --> 00:25:43.369
going to pay you all 24 hours of every day
493
00:25:43.410 --> 00:25:46.950
you're there. Okay. You're going to be allowed to go
494
00:25:47.029 --> 00:25:49.210
sleep and we're going to pay for your meals. Your
495
00:25:49.289 --> 00:25:53.940
board is included. Your room and board is included. Okay.
496
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:57.240
So you pay no expenses except for, you know, optional
497
00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:02.390
things that you want. And you're paid 24 hours a
498
00:26:02.490 --> 00:26:07.079
day for a year. Kind of sounds like a pretty
499
00:26:07.130 --> 00:26:10.039
good deal, except, like you said, you're sort of imprisoned
500
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:15.289
because you can't you have no freedom of movement. I mean, zero. Um,
501
00:26:15.509 --> 00:26:18.009
you know, and stuff like that, which is sort of like, well, gee,
502
00:26:18.049 --> 00:26:21.269
who am I trusting that somebody is going to let
503
00:26:21.309 --> 00:26:24.849
me out of the no freedom of movement situation? You
504
00:26:24.890 --> 00:26:27.839
know what I mean? It's like, uh, how do I
505
00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:29.660
know that once I walk to work in the prison,
506
00:26:29.700 --> 00:26:32.200
I'm going to get to walk out of the prison? Um,
507
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:36.779
that kind of thing. Anyway, I wound up not taking it, but, uh,
508
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.029
but I was tempted with such an offer. And I
509
00:26:40.049 --> 00:26:41.750
would have been over there as just a laborer getting
510
00:26:41.769 --> 00:26:44.430
that kind of money. And again, for me at the
511
00:26:44.470 --> 00:26:47.529
age of 18, yeah, that would have been 1990. So
512
00:26:47.809 --> 00:26:50.130
I guess it was like 91 or something when they
513
00:26:50.150 --> 00:26:53.279
did the rebuilding contracts, the government contracts that came out.
514
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.799
And then people wonder why the government contracts are so high,
515
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.180
you know? Well, think about it. If you've got to
516
00:26:59.220 --> 00:27:02.519
pay workers like that to go do stuff like that,
517
00:27:02.740 --> 00:27:06.059
and that's the contract you're handing out to, you know,
518
00:27:06.140 --> 00:27:10.190
we don't have enough government workers to do this. Um, yeah.
519
00:27:11.609 --> 00:27:11.829
Right?
520
00:27:12.329 --> 00:27:14.250
I mean, the math starts to make a little more
521
00:27:14.289 --> 00:27:15.589
sense when you think about that.
522
00:27:16.630 --> 00:27:16.859
No?
523
00:27:18.259 --> 00:27:19.539
I don't know. What do you think, BP?
524
00:27:20.940 --> 00:27:22.920
Yeah, no, I agree with you. I agree with you.
525
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.619
It would be hard for me to take a job,
526
00:27:25.700 --> 00:27:29.740
you know, with that kind of limitations because I'm one
527
00:27:29.789 --> 00:27:31.650
of those that just, you know, sometimes I'll just pick
528
00:27:31.710 --> 00:27:34.250
up and go for a walk somewhere and, you know,
529
00:27:34.470 --> 00:27:37.750
when you're making good money, And the thing is, you're
530
00:27:37.769 --> 00:27:39.670
making good money, but you really don't have anywhere to
531
00:27:39.710 --> 00:27:40.099
spend it.
532
00:27:40.910 --> 00:27:43.559
You're not spending it on food because that's covered. You're
533
00:27:43.579 --> 00:27:45.500
not spending it on rent because that's covered.
534
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:47.980
You're just banking a bunch of money, but you can't
535
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:49.359
go out and do anything with it.
536
00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:50.339
Not a damn thing.
537
00:27:50.380 --> 00:27:51.160
Very frustrating.
538
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:54.500
Yeah, I mean, nothing. Because you can't even, and by
539
00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:56.539
the way, it's not even like you could fly movies
540
00:27:56.619 --> 00:28:00.650
in or whatever. because they it was restricted you can't
541
00:28:00.690 --> 00:28:05.160
bring contraband in there and also they they uh i
542
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:08.940
believe one of the provisions under certain contracts was no
543
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:15.519
alcohol whatsoever um you know and i'm like hmm and
544
00:28:16.099 --> 00:28:18.359
i i i don't know you know and alcohol is
545
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:21.440
not an important thing in my life but If I'm
546
00:28:21.460 --> 00:28:23.720
going to be under those conditions and not be able
547
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.099
to drink, plus I got no woman with me, plus
548
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:32.640
I got no entertainment. Yeah, I can foresee problems. And
549
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:34.900
you know what? I think you'd explode after a couple
550
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:36.809
of months and it would be over something like, what
551
00:28:36.829 --> 00:28:41.349
do you mean I can't have a cheeseburger? Like like
552
00:28:41.410 --> 00:28:43.349
that would be the thing that got you sent home,
553
00:28:43.430 --> 00:28:46.839
I think, is like I can't have a cheeseburger. then
554
00:28:47.099 --> 00:28:49.339
I'm getting the fuck out of here. That's what I
555
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.460
figure is what's going to happen with you. But I mean,
556
00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:55.069
I'll just, I'll be insane after a little bit. So
557
00:28:55.190 --> 00:28:57.289
God knows what I would do, but I could see
558
00:28:57.329 --> 00:28:58.730
you getting into that kind of argument.
559
00:28:58.829 --> 00:29:00.740
I think the thing that would, I think the thing
560
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:02.420
that would get me the worst is not being able
561
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:03.839
to get a decent cigarette.
562
00:29:05.059 --> 00:29:08.000
Well, see, there you go. You should be able to
563
00:29:08.180 --> 00:29:11.680
access decent cigarettes in a Middle Eastern nation where we
564
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:12.789
have a military nation. I don't know, man.
565
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:15.990
In Europe, that was the thing about Europe.
566
00:29:16.190 --> 00:29:19.750
I mean, the nastiest cigarettes in the world, they're still
567
00:29:19.829 --> 00:29:22.150
selling Terrytons.
568
00:29:22.410 --> 00:29:23.210
Is that what it was?
569
00:29:23.410 --> 00:29:24.750
Oh, Terryton. Yeah.
570
00:29:24.930 --> 00:29:28.079
Yeah, Terrytons are over in Europe. I mean, the Parliament
571
00:29:28.579 --> 00:29:30.720
is still a brand that they use over there. I'm
572
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:31.980
sure it's under license from.
573
00:29:32.779 --> 00:29:35.519
R.J. Reynolds or whoever had it over here originally.
574
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:37.460
But, they brought back.
575
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:39.740
Lucky Strikes over here, and they're really not the best
576
00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:42.259
in the world. But that was the hardest thing for me,
577
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:46.380
especially living in Germany, because they had Marlboros in Germany.
578
00:29:46.460 --> 00:29:50.859
We called them Radboros, but they were a blend. They
579
00:29:50.890 --> 00:29:52.140
weren't American tobacco.
580
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:52.740
Right.
581
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:55.440
It was European and Middle Eastern tobacco. And they were
582
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:56.900
some nasty cigarettes.
583
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:00.059
See, that was the problem with camels for a little bit, too.
584
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:05.430
But but my understanding is that this is what they
585
00:30:05.470 --> 00:30:07.450
told me anyway, is that we would be able to
586
00:30:07.609 --> 00:30:11.789
get cigarettes. But, you know, in a limited fashion from
587
00:30:11.869 --> 00:30:15.299
the military bases, because they they would make an agreement
588
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.910
with them. Uh, cause in, in the middle East, anyway,
589
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:21.420
they had the cigarettes there. Now this is the nineties.
590
00:30:21.460 --> 00:30:23.299
So I don't know. I mean, you know, is this
591
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:25.200
after you served? Is it early?
592
00:30:25.299 --> 00:30:28.039
Yeah, I was there. I was there like early to
593
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:28.579
mid eighties.
594
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.319
Well, guys like you might've been pissed enough. I mean, look,
595
00:30:32.339 --> 00:30:34.099
the fact is though, if you were a high up
596
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.140
enough officer, I mean, you could get whatever, you know,
597
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:40.269
that because I mean, there were plenty of guys I
598
00:30:40.289 --> 00:30:43.089
knew that were involved in exchanging things for cigarettes, uh,
599
00:30:44.049 --> 00:30:46.490
in order to get exports from certain places out of
600
00:30:46.529 --> 00:30:49.019
military guys. I happen to know that some of that
601
00:30:49.099 --> 00:30:53.079
sometimes could be transacted with a case of Marlboro's. I'm
602
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:54.740
just telling you.
603
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.359
It's like being in Saudi Arabia. It's a Muslim country,
604
00:30:59.380 --> 00:31:02.009
and alcohol is forbidden. But I guarantee you there are
605
00:31:02.049 --> 00:31:05.710
certain residences in Saudi Arabia that you can get a
606
00:31:05.950 --> 00:31:06.849
fifth of Jack Daniels.
607
00:31:07.069 --> 00:31:10.609
Oh, yeah, guaranteed. But here's the thing. Don't let your
608
00:31:10.650 --> 00:31:12.009
women leave without a headscarf on.
609
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:13.119
Exactly.
610
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:17.940
Because that will attract attention. See, if you're smoking in
611
00:31:17.980 --> 00:31:20.039
your own house, they'll leave you alone. You know what
612
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.769
I'm saying? And it don't matter if it's weed or
613
00:31:22.829 --> 00:31:25.230
if it's cigarettes. They'll leave you alone. If you got
614
00:31:25.269 --> 00:31:28.630
it in there, it's your home. But you start going
615
00:31:28.690 --> 00:31:31.529
out on the street and doing it, you're going to
616
00:31:31.549 --> 00:31:33.549
have a problem. Yeah, it's funny.
617
00:31:33.609 --> 00:31:35.529
Europe forced everybody out on the streets.
618
00:31:35.630 --> 00:31:38.250
When they came up with these damn bans in pubs
619
00:31:38.309 --> 00:31:40.960
and bars, everybody hit the street corner.
620
00:31:41.779 --> 00:31:44.160
And people started complaining about that. We need to ban
621
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:44.819
it completely.
622
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.079
And it's like, all right, that's one step too far.
623
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:49.970
You already got us outside. Don't push it.
624
00:31:50.380 --> 00:31:53.480
Well, the weirdest thing I saw in America and from
625
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:57.119
what I understand, not everybody saw this, but maybe you
626
00:31:57.140 --> 00:32:00.130
did be because you're an observant kind of guy. And I,
627
00:32:00.430 --> 00:32:02.410
you know, even though you and I see things differently,
628
00:32:02.670 --> 00:32:05.170
I'm willing to bet you might have witnessed some of this.
629
00:32:06.089 --> 00:32:10.390
We got hustled out into cages. is what happened at
630
00:32:10.470 --> 00:32:14.539
bus terminals, at bars. And what do I mean by this? Well,
631
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.079
here's the thing. They didn't want to make it so
632
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.759
that you had to leave your drink on the bar, right?
633
00:32:19.819 --> 00:32:21.279
Like if you've got a bottle of beer and you're
634
00:32:21.299 --> 00:32:22.980
drinking in the bar, now they don't want you to
635
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:26.140
smoke in there unless, and there were those exemptions in
636
00:32:26.180 --> 00:32:29.259
certain places. If it's a family run business, they can
637
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:31.549
make their own decisions for themselves, this and that. But
638
00:32:31.569 --> 00:32:35.089
if you have employees, right, in a bar, then that
639
00:32:35.130 --> 00:32:38.269
meant you can't have smoking. That was sort of the
640
00:32:38.329 --> 00:32:41.190
general rule that was on the East Coast. And they
641
00:32:41.250 --> 00:32:44.009
also removed it from like the hallways of bus stations
642
00:32:44.069 --> 00:32:46.410
and all that stuff where it used to be discouraged,
643
00:32:47.089 --> 00:32:51.900
but not prohibited. They had smoking sections and stuff like that. Right.
644
00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:55.579
So when they moved it all outside, what they did
645
00:32:55.740 --> 00:33:00.779
is create these like like iron bar fences, which basically
646
00:33:00.819 --> 00:33:04.269
look like animal cages to me. And the bars that
647
00:33:04.309 --> 00:33:06.390
could afford to do it in New York and Jersey
648
00:33:06.430 --> 00:33:09.009
and stuff like that did the same thing. So they
649
00:33:09.049 --> 00:33:11.509
could keep their customers, you understand.
650
00:33:11.690 --> 00:33:13.519
Yeah, you just fence in the patio.
651
00:33:13.859 --> 00:33:14.880
Right, you fence it in.
652
00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:15.880
And move them out there.
653
00:33:16.180 --> 00:33:19.140
That way you don't have, and the justification was, of course,
654
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.900
this way nobody's letting, like, you know, 18-year-olds sneak in
655
00:33:21.940 --> 00:33:24.930
and this and that that didn't get carded or whatever, right?
656
00:33:25.910 --> 00:33:28.009
And they would provide, like, you know, a lock on
657
00:33:28.029 --> 00:33:31.410
the gate. that only certain people could open, so it
658
00:33:31.450 --> 00:33:35.009
had to be a combination or an electronic lock or
659
00:33:35.049 --> 00:33:37.789
whatever so that you didn't have a fire issue. Because look,
660
00:33:37.829 --> 00:33:39.869
if you're trapped in the cage outside of the building,
661
00:33:39.930 --> 00:33:42.650
you're still going to burn up with it, right? So
662
00:33:43.069 --> 00:33:45.200
they had to go through all this stuff. But basically,
663
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:49.519
they herded smokers into cages everywhere. Did you know when
664
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.140
that happened? It was like, dude, we're all being put
665
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:53.680
in fenced-in areas.
666
00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:01.769
For us, it happened in, let's see, 19... 92 in
667
00:34:01.829 --> 00:34:06.329
hickory they had wow they passed a health uh health
668
00:34:06.390 --> 00:34:09.409
ordinance they went to the health department to enforce it
669
00:34:10.150 --> 00:34:15.019
we moved to hickory oh crap 90 when i take
670
00:34:15.059 --> 00:34:17.679
that back it was 90 it was about 92 when
671
00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:21.780
they started enforcing it we moved to hickory in 93
672
00:34:22.579 --> 00:34:25.800
and when we moved there Probably about the third or
673
00:34:25.820 --> 00:34:28.880
fourth weekend we were there. We got everything unpacked and
674
00:34:28.900 --> 00:34:30.679
settled in the house. We decided to go into town.
675
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:31.570
We wanted to go bowling.
676
00:34:31.590 --> 00:34:35.429
So we went to the bowling alley. And they've got
677
00:34:35.489 --> 00:34:38.130
big no-smoking signs on the doors. You know, this is
678
00:34:38.190 --> 00:34:42.710
a public establishment. All smoking needs to be outside designated areas, blah, blah, blah.
679
00:34:42.750 --> 00:34:47.139
We go inside, and it's like the fog is settling
680
00:34:47.300 --> 00:34:48.019
on the moors.
681
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:55.159
Okay. So that, now that represents an interesting transitional period because.
682
00:34:54.820 --> 00:34:57.480
Here's what happened was I asked, I went up and
683
00:34:57.539 --> 00:34:59.360
asked the manager. I said, wait a minute. I saw
684
00:34:59.409 --> 00:35:04.389
the doors, um, no smoking. So what's the deal? He says, well,
685
00:35:05.550 --> 00:35:08.369
he says, you know, I told all of our leagues
686
00:35:08.389 --> 00:35:10.650
and everybody that it was going to be no smoking.
687
00:35:11.090 --> 00:35:13.610
And we took all the ashtrays out. He said, and
688
00:35:13.659 --> 00:35:16.440
when it's league night, they started bringing in their own ashtrays.
689
00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:16.860
Right.
690
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:19.429
He says, we tell him we couldn't smoke. He says,
691
00:35:19.530 --> 00:35:21.170
you know, what the hell am I going to do?
692
00:35:21.190 --> 00:35:24.750
He said, I'd turn away 75% of my crowd if
693
00:35:24.809 --> 00:35:27.070
I enforced the no smoking. I said, has the health
694
00:35:27.090 --> 00:35:28.670
department ever come in here and bothered you?
695
00:35:28.710 --> 00:35:29.739
He says, not once.
696
00:35:30.050 --> 00:35:30.320
Right.
697
00:35:31.340 --> 00:35:34.739
So for years, people just basically, you know, gave a
698
00:35:34.820 --> 00:35:37.679
finger to the rule and went about doing what they
699
00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:41.070
wanted to do. And then they started cracking down more.
700
00:35:41.090 --> 00:35:43.210
You know, they used to, you could sit in the mall.
701
00:35:44.449 --> 00:35:46.349
and sit there and smoke cigarettes and watch the world
702
00:35:46.389 --> 00:35:46.929
walk by.
703
00:35:47.070 --> 00:35:51.519
That got outlawed. So it was incremental, little by little.
704
00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:56.579
And at that time, restaurants could have a smoking section
705
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:01.590
if it had a separate air handler unit. So a
706
00:36:01.610 --> 00:36:04.329
lot of the restaurants, they spent the money to make
707
00:36:04.389 --> 00:36:08.550
a section of their restaurant smoking, had to put in
708
00:36:08.670 --> 00:36:13.030
separate air conditioning, separate heat units, So the air wouldn't
709
00:36:13.110 --> 00:36:16.409
mix between the two. And then they clamped down on
710
00:36:16.449 --> 00:36:18.650
those and made that illegal, which pissed off all the
711
00:36:18.710 --> 00:36:21.320
restaurant owners because they said, hey, you made us spend
712
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.420
all this money. Now you're telling us we can't have
713
00:36:24.460 --> 00:36:27.019
any smoking at all. You know, that's half our customer base.
714
00:36:27.099 --> 00:36:29.460
And on top of that, they put in partitions a
715
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.829
lot of these restaurants, too, where it was like, look,
716
00:36:32.909 --> 00:36:36.690
this half of the restaurant is smoking. This half is not.
717
00:36:37.130 --> 00:36:39.489
And they put up like a glass or a semi,
718
00:36:39.530 --> 00:36:43.250
like almost like a shower glass wall. OK, half of
719
00:36:43.269 --> 00:36:45.070
the wall was like shower glass and half of the
720
00:36:45.090 --> 00:36:48.929
wall was like, you know, cheap cubicle wall like to
721
00:36:48.989 --> 00:36:51.760
divide the restaurant in half. Now, here's what the common,
722
00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:54.860
you know, day to day problem is. What happens when
723
00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:58.099
you get more non smokers that you can't see because
724
00:36:58.119 --> 00:36:58.739
you only.
725
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.960
Went through that? Applebee's when you.
726
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.480
Went in was on one level and they had a
727
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.860
raised level on each side on the exterior wall of
728
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:09.760
the building and they had tables up there.
729
00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:10.280
Right.
730
00:37:10.590 --> 00:37:14.510
That was smoking. So I go and they say, oh,
731
00:37:14.530 --> 00:37:16.369
I'm sorry. You know, the only thing we have left
732
00:37:16.469 --> 00:37:20.269
is non-smoking. And I said, well, how many non-smokers do
733
00:37:20.309 --> 00:37:23.909
you have in the smoking section? Well, I haven't really counted.
734
00:37:23.969 --> 00:37:26.070
So I sat down and I heard the lady that
735
00:37:26.110 --> 00:37:29.500
was just up above us, table right next to ours,
736
00:37:29.619 --> 00:37:32.380
going on about, I can't believe they still allow smoking.
737
00:37:32.420 --> 00:37:35.159
And I said, excuse me, ma'am. I said, are you
738
00:37:35.179 --> 00:37:35.800
a non-smoker?
739
00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:36.739
Yeah.
740
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.619
I said, well, you know, you're smoking in the you're
741
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:40.030
sitting in the smoking section, right?
742
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:41.059
Yeah.
743
00:37:41.260 --> 00:37:43.199
I said, well, then don't get pissed when I do this.
744
00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:46.349
And I lit one up and man, she went ballistic.
745
00:37:46.489 --> 00:37:48.710
Yep. And a manager came over.
746
00:37:48.789 --> 00:37:51.820
I said, hey, you're not making these people wait for
747
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.460
non-smoking seats. So they're taking our seats in the smoking section.
748
00:37:56.190 --> 00:37:58.789
So if you're going to do that, I'm making this
749
00:37:58.869 --> 00:38:00.110
table a smoking section.
750
00:38:00.250 --> 00:38:00.619
Screw it.
751
00:38:00.650 --> 00:38:04.409
The only thing separating us is this rail. There's no plexiglass,
752
00:38:04.730 --> 00:38:05.269
no nothing.
753
00:38:05.550 --> 00:38:05.789
Right.
754
00:38:05.929 --> 00:38:07.230
You see, you demonstrated.
755
00:38:07.269 --> 00:38:08.750
Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to leave.
756
00:38:08.829 --> 00:38:11.030
I said, well, let me finish this smoke and I'll
757
00:38:11.050 --> 00:38:11.800
be on my way out.
758
00:38:11.860 --> 00:38:12.320
How about that?
759
00:38:12.550 --> 00:38:16.440
There you go. Look, you demonstrated the absurdity, though, because
760
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:20.280
you have no way of understanding exactly how many unless
761
00:38:20.300 --> 00:38:24.619
you have movable smoking sections. OK, where you constantly adjust them.
762
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:27.260
You have no way of accounting for if you're going
763
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.300
to have a day where your whole place is filled
764
00:38:29.340 --> 00:38:31.239
with smokers or your whole place is going to fill
765
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:37.039
with non-smokers. It is ridiculous. So, you know, there used
766
00:38:37.059 --> 00:38:38.880
to be a little bit of like courtesy to this
767
00:38:38.900 --> 00:38:42.199
a long time ago where, you know, some places you
768
00:38:42.219 --> 00:38:43.900
just knew were going to be smoke filled. And by
769
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.019
the way, the bowling alley is the funniest thing. Because
770
00:38:47.179 --> 00:38:49.539
I remember on a Family Guy episode, they did this
771
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.840
and I couldn't stop laughing again for about an hour.
772
00:38:54.309 --> 00:38:56.449
You know, the guy, all of a sudden, Stewie's like, yeah,
773
00:38:56.469 --> 00:38:57.989
I'm going to go to work at a bowling alley.
774
00:38:58.650 --> 00:39:00.449
So somebody comes in and goes, hey, is this a
775
00:39:00.510 --> 00:39:03.690
bowling alley? And Stewie goes through the rules and he says,
776
00:39:04.429 --> 00:39:08.280
there's no smoking here, but there will be smoking, which
777
00:39:08.659 --> 00:39:11.380
was like a nationwide issue with the bowling alleys.
778
00:39:12.050 --> 00:39:13.929
They couldn't.
779
00:39:14.110 --> 00:39:16.329
And that was the other day. You're not going to
780
00:39:16.349 --> 00:39:18.119
let me smoke in a pool hall.
781
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:19.619
Are you kidding? Exactly.
782
00:39:19.820 --> 00:39:22.960
See, I thought that people would rebel against the bar thing.
783
00:39:23.539 --> 00:39:26.369
I can sit here and toxify my liver, but God
784
00:39:26.449 --> 00:39:28.349
help you if you get some secondhand smoke.
785
00:39:29.210 --> 00:39:29.409
What?
786
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.360
Well, what happened here, all of the good pool halls,
787
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:35.840
I mean, the pool halls that have been around since
788
00:39:35.929 --> 00:39:39.590
the 20s, since the teens, you know, the ones with
789
00:39:39.630 --> 00:39:43.800
the old oak floors, the ones with You know, exposed
790
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.670
brick above 10 feet on the walls.
791
00:39:47.329 --> 00:39:50.389
You know, the nice old true pool halls. They all
792
00:39:50.409 --> 00:39:51.969
went private club. Yep.
793
00:39:52.070 --> 00:39:56.139
Because the law and here's what the legislature did. They
794
00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:59.000
excluded private clubs so that they could still smoke in
795
00:39:59.019 --> 00:39:59.860
their country clubs.
796
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:00.289
Mm hmm.
797
00:40:01.329 --> 00:40:04.829
So they made private clubs exempt. So these, I mean,
798
00:40:04.969 --> 00:40:07.769
these old established pool halls that made a ton of
799
00:40:07.809 --> 00:40:08.840
money on the weekends.
800
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:10.300
Yep. They said, that's it.
801
00:40:10.300 --> 00:40:12.400
We're going private club and we're only going to charge
802
00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:15.940
you a dollar admission. But you smoke any damn thing
803
00:40:15.980 --> 00:40:16.699
you bring in with you.
804
00:40:16.889 --> 00:40:21.130
It created the temporary membership. Yeah. So when you walked in,
805
00:40:21.170 --> 00:40:24.289
you wanted to drink your beer, smoke your cigarettes and
806
00:40:24.329 --> 00:40:26.550
you want to play here. Tell you what, you have
807
00:40:26.590 --> 00:40:29.530
to be a member of our club. And today, sir,
808
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:31.539
it is only a dollar to join our club.
809
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:33.460
Yeah.
810
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:35.179
Or you would get in and they go, you know,
811
00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:36.300
this is a private club.
812
00:40:36.380 --> 00:40:39.440
OK, what's what's it cost me for a membership? Well,
813
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:41.199
the membership is five bucks.
814
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:46.619
But today, because you're the 13th customer, we'll waive the fee.
815
00:40:47.329 --> 00:40:52.590
Yeah, just for you. Just for you. And by the way,
816
00:40:52.670 --> 00:40:55.969
none of that membership money ever got accounted for properly.
817
00:40:56.429 --> 00:41:00.239
You know, so they lost out on taxes and everything
818
00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:04.219
by doing this crap. But it was hilarious to watch
819
00:41:04.260 --> 00:41:06.719
people work around it. Yeah, you're right. The private club.
820
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:08.260
As a matter of fact, I ran into one of
821
00:41:08.300 --> 00:41:09.780
those when I first came to Georgia.
822
00:41:10.989 --> 00:41:11.320
Because.
823
00:41:12.050 --> 00:41:14.940
I walked into a place and they were like, you know,
824
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:16.639
and I went up to the bar and I'm looking around.
825
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:18.840
It looks like a bar. There's ashtrays on the bar.
826
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:22.320
I'm like, oh, great. So I sat down and I'm like,
827
00:41:22.340 --> 00:41:23.960
I want to shoot pool, but I'd like to have
828
00:41:23.980 --> 00:41:28.679
a beer with my friend first. And they were like, OK, well,
829
00:41:28.739 --> 00:41:30.659
you have to be a member of this club to
830
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:33.880
drink here. I was like, oh, OK, well, I'm not
831
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:35.440
a member. So I get up to go leave and
832
00:41:35.460 --> 00:41:40.070
they went, no, you don't understand that. It just so
833
00:41:40.110 --> 00:41:44.880
happens that today it was a buck. So, you know,
834
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:46.800
give me a dollar and you and your friends are
835
00:41:46.820 --> 00:41:48.159
members for a temporary.
836
00:41:48.380 --> 00:41:51.739
Yeah, the addict finally had to issue membership cards and
837
00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:54.570
they hated it because they cost money. At that time,
838
00:41:54.590 --> 00:41:57.449
with their lamination machine and everything, it was like they
839
00:41:57.469 --> 00:42:00.389
charged you two bucks for the card, which covered their cost.
840
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.320
But at least that way going in, if you had
841
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.739
the membership, that means they've checked your ID.
842
00:42:05.780 --> 00:42:06.940
That was the nice thing about it.
843
00:42:06.980 --> 00:42:09.940
If you forgot your license, you could still get in
844
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.659
with your membership card because you had to verify age
845
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.000
before they would let you become a member, which made
846
00:42:16.059 --> 00:42:17.000
it real convenient.
847
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:19.380
But yeah, it got to where my wallet.
848
00:42:19.460 --> 00:42:23.519
It seems like every single club that we went to
849
00:42:24.849 --> 00:42:27.800
started issuing membership cards and you had to have it
850
00:42:27.820 --> 00:42:31.139
to get in or somebody else sign you in as
851
00:42:31.179 --> 00:42:31.559
a guest.
852
00:42:32.820 --> 00:42:33.199
Sorry.
853
00:42:34.340 --> 00:42:37.480
I love that though, because that's the way it is.
854
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.909
And it just points out the absurdity of it all. And,
855
00:42:41.010 --> 00:42:44.730
you know, I was surprised actually in Jersey because, you know, we,
856
00:42:44.789 --> 00:42:47.929
we had lots of shopping malls, even in the weirdest
857
00:42:47.969 --> 00:42:51.309
places in Jersey, you know, and the rule for a
858
00:42:51.349 --> 00:42:53.820
long time, there was no rule. You could smoke everywhere
859
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:56.409
at one point. But then at a certain point, they
860
00:42:56.429 --> 00:42:59.250
started saying, listen, we don't want you smoking inside of
861
00:42:59.289 --> 00:43:05.280
the stores. Right. Because, you know, products get damaged from,
862
00:43:05.300 --> 00:43:07.699
you know, smoke and they get damaged from, you know,
863
00:43:07.739 --> 00:43:11.280
wayward ashes and stuff like this. Plus, you know, people
864
00:43:11.300 --> 00:43:14.050
are pigs. They're irresponsible. They put out their frigging cigarettes
865
00:43:14.110 --> 00:43:17.750
on our stuff, whatever. So no smoking in the stores.
866
00:43:17.889 --> 00:43:18.130
Right.
867
00:43:18.869 --> 00:43:21.429
And then there was two exemptions to that, which was
868
00:43:21.449 --> 00:43:25.820
a place that served food. OK, because they had ashtrays
869
00:43:25.980 --> 00:43:28.739
and all that that were laid out perfectly. And, you know,
870
00:43:28.780 --> 00:43:31.059
you were at an assigned table. So it wasn't a
871
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:33.199
big deal. And you couldn't randomly put out your cigarette
872
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:37.360
on something and ruin it. And also, guess what? The
873
00:43:37.420 --> 00:43:40.260
smoke shop, the actual tobacco shop.
874
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:40.760
In the mall.
875
00:43:42.329 --> 00:43:43.630
Anyway, it's smoking there.
876
00:43:44.070 --> 00:43:46.809
You can smoke in there and the restaurants. Now, they
877
00:43:46.849 --> 00:43:50.809
allowed smoking in the hallways. which was the rest of
878
00:43:50.849 --> 00:43:53.429
the mall, as long as you're not stepped over into
879
00:43:53.469 --> 00:43:57.210
a store particularly. And, you know, you could step into
880
00:43:57.230 --> 00:44:00.690
the smoke shop and smoke, thank God. But any other store,
881
00:44:00.889 --> 00:44:04.989
no smoking, no smoking in the arcades, you know, because
882
00:44:05.010 --> 00:44:08.989
there used to be, yes, indeed, a cigarette ashtrays attached
883
00:44:09.030 --> 00:44:10.760
to video games and pinball machines.
884
00:44:11.619 --> 00:44:11.840
Oh, yeah.
885
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.460
You know, because that would help keep a guy there,
886
00:44:14.500 --> 00:44:14.840
wouldn't it?
887
00:44:15.349 --> 00:44:17.429
Who didn't want tables had ashtrays on them.
888
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:21.760
Oh yeah, exactly. So anyway, all that stuff. But then
889
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.539
when they started to remove it from indoors, it got
890
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.880
really weird where you had to smoke outside. And then
891
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:29.420
they told you you had to be a certain amount
892
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.630
of feet away from the entrance. Okay. And then if
893
00:44:32.690 --> 00:44:34.829
it was raining, they kind of let you slide a
894
00:44:34.909 --> 00:44:37.170
little bit. So you stayed under the overhang. You know
895
00:44:37.190 --> 00:44:40.489
what I mean? And all this crap going on. And meanwhile,
896
00:44:40.550 --> 00:44:44.010
business is going down the toilet. And they're wondering why.
897
00:44:44.090 --> 00:44:46.369
And it's not just because there's a majority of smokers
898
00:44:46.469 --> 00:44:49.670
out there, because I know we've been systematically kind of discouraged,
899
00:44:49.710 --> 00:44:54.159
you know, over time. And we weren't, you know, earlier
900
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:57.519
on in our generations. If you're an Xer or a
901
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.480
boomer or whatever, we weren't discouraged from smoking, not really.
902
00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:03.780
You know, we were told, hey, bad things might happen.
903
00:45:03.820 --> 00:45:08.969
But then again, you know, now smoking is like a sin. So,
904
00:45:09.090 --> 00:45:09.929
you know, it's a whole thing.
905
00:45:10.070 --> 00:45:12.889
But Well, if you think about it, it was– I
906
00:45:12.909 --> 00:45:18.170
looked it up. It wasn't until the mid-' 90s.
907
00:45:17.110 --> 00:45:20.730
In fact, Chrysler was the first major car company to
908
00:45:20.849 --> 00:45:22.769
eliminate ashtrays in cars.
909
00:45:23.260 --> 00:45:23.840
Yeah.
910
00:45:23.889 --> 00:45:26.380
That was in 94.
911
00:45:26.380 --> 00:45:30.199
Yeah, and I'm surprised that North Carolina had these issues
912
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.489
in 92, like you said, because, look, all the way
913
00:45:34.570 --> 00:45:37.610
up to the– okay, so I'm going to school in Neptune,
914
00:45:37.670 --> 00:45:41.690
New Jersey. And the high school had a smoking section.
915
00:45:42.550 --> 00:45:43.820
Yeah, we had one in our high school.
916
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.300
You know, technically, legally speaking, unless you're 18 years old,
917
00:45:47.340 --> 00:45:49.619
you weren't supposed to be able to smoke in New Jersey. But,
918
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:53.739
I mean, please, that wasn't the case in a bad neighborhood.
919
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:57.590
For years here, it was 16 for age.
920
00:45:57.409 --> 00:45:58.670
Of buying tobacco products.
921
00:45:58.769 --> 00:46:03.610
And then they raised the age about the time– it
922
00:46:03.630 --> 00:46:06.869
was shortly after the time that they raised the drinking
923
00:46:06.969 --> 00:46:11.239
age from 18 to 19. Then they raised the smoking
924
00:46:11.380 --> 00:46:13.980
age to 18. And then they raised the drinking age
925
00:46:14.019 --> 00:46:17.059
from 19 to 21. My first wife got caught up
926
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:21.340
in that twice. We were married. and got thrown out
927
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.840
of a restaurant because we had a pitcher of beer
928
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:25.739
with our dinner, and we were almost finished when they
929
00:46:25.780 --> 00:46:28.139
came and asked us to leave because she was underage,
930
00:46:28.739 --> 00:46:30.389
and we had been married almost a year.
931
00:46:31.269 --> 00:46:32.710
So she really got screwed over.
932
00:46:32.949 --> 00:46:37.199
When she turned 18, they raised the age to 19,
933
00:46:37.190 --> 00:46:39.929
and we had gotten married in that time, and then
934
00:46:40.590 --> 00:46:42.869
she hits 19, and it was like two months later
935
00:46:42.929 --> 00:46:44.679
they raised it to 21.
936
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:46.159
She was pissed.
937
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:47.780
Now that happened to me with the age of 16
938
00:46:47.780 --> 00:46:52.760
in Jersey. Because you could buy cigarettes if you were 16.
939
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:54.980
But the funny part was it was difficult to have
940
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:57.380
ID at the age of 16.
941
00:46:57.380 --> 00:47:00.360
Well, before that, though, you didn't they'd sell them to
942
00:47:00.380 --> 00:47:02.019
you at any age. I used to go.
943
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:06.139
My mom used to give when they dad was retired military.
944
00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:08.239
So they would go to the commissary and to the exchange.
945
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:10.070
And that's where they buy the cigarettes because they were
946
00:47:10.110 --> 00:47:10.670
tax free.
947
00:47:10.889 --> 00:47:12.230
Yeah. And she'd run out.
948
00:47:12.309 --> 00:47:14.050
You know, it was she wasn't planning on going to
949
00:47:14.070 --> 00:47:15.389
the commissary till Saturday.
950
00:47:15.429 --> 00:47:17.230
And here it is Thursday. She's run out.
951
00:47:17.929 --> 00:47:19.590
She'd give me a $ 5 bill, send me to the
952
00:47:19.630 --> 00:47:23.769
store to get a Pepsi and a pack of Winston 100s.
953
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:26.900
Yeah, and plenty of change.
954
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:27.860
And the old gold pack.
955
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:29.219
And plenty of change.
956
00:47:30.469 --> 00:47:33.250
Yeah, I mean, but, you know, the store would sell
957
00:47:33.329 --> 00:47:33.969
it to you.
958
00:47:34.170 --> 00:47:37.690
You know, here you are, eight years old, on your bicycle,
959
00:47:38.030 --> 00:47:40.409
running down to the store to get cigarettes for your mom.
960
00:47:40.429 --> 00:47:41.329
They'd sell them to you.
961
00:47:41.650 --> 00:47:43.880
No, I used to buy them at seven. I was
962
00:47:43.940 --> 00:47:46.420
seven years old. I would show up, like you said,
963
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:49.000
on foot, usually, and around the time I was nine
964
00:47:49.059 --> 00:47:52.099
or ten, I got a bicycle, but... Uh, but like
965
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.500
at the age of seven, I could go down. My
966
00:47:54.539 --> 00:47:57.699
mom would just be like, here's money. And you know
967
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.860
what kind of cigarettes I smoke, go get them. And
968
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:02.860
the only thing I would get from the lady at
969
00:48:02.900 --> 00:48:05.380
the counter is these are for your mom, right? That
970
00:48:05.420 --> 00:48:09.090
was it. There wasn't nothing else to it. This is
971
00:48:09.110 --> 00:48:09.670
for your mom.
972
00:48:09.690 --> 00:48:09.889
Yup.
973
00:48:11.269 --> 00:48:13.489
And you know, there was change left over. I could
974
00:48:13.510 --> 00:48:17.130
buy a candy bar for a quarter, but, um, you know,
975
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.000
And that was expected, too. Okay, you bought a candy
976
00:48:21.019 --> 00:48:22.539
bar and you bought my cigarettes. All right, where's the
977
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.019
rest of my change? You know what I mean? And
978
00:48:25.099 --> 00:48:28.630
that was, like, normal. The lady that owned the store,
979
00:48:28.690 --> 00:48:31.710
the people around, nobody was shocked. You know what I mean?
980
00:48:31.730 --> 00:48:35.550
Yeah, when I started smoking, cigarettes were 35 cent a pack.
981
00:48:36.780 --> 00:48:36.889
Mm-hmm.
982
00:48:38.300 --> 00:48:41.139
Carton was $ 3. 50, sometimes $ 3. A lot of times, if
983
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:42.780
you bought a carton, they'd knock $ 0.
984
00:48:42.619 --> 00:48:42.820
50 off.
985
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:47.260
Well, you know, I got them for a buck. And,
986
00:48:47.500 --> 00:48:50.050
you know, by the time I started buying cartons, they
987
00:48:50.070 --> 00:48:52.170
had gone up over a buck, but you could still
988
00:48:52.210 --> 00:48:54.510
get a $ 10 carton of cigarettes in Jersey.
989
00:48:55.289 --> 00:48:56.849
Just yesterday, I was.
990
00:48:56.769 --> 00:49:01.489
In the Dollar General, and their Newports were $ 9.
991
00:49:00.889 --> 00:49:02.360
95 a pack. A pack, yep.
992
00:49:02.349 --> 00:49:02.889
$ 10 a pack.
993
00:49:02.929 --> 00:49:03.110
Yep.
994
00:49:08.449 --> 00:49:11.559
That's what they are without discounts in the state of Georgia,
995
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:15.079
North Carolina. All the southern states have all jacked up
996
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:18.449
recently due to taxation increases. And now they're up to
997
00:49:18.449 --> 00:49:20.800
the $ 10 level. I don't even want to think about
998
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:22.480
what it would cost me to smoke in Jersey now.
999
00:49:24.019 --> 00:49:26.559
But that's what it is without a discount. And then
1000
00:49:26.900 --> 00:49:29.679
the manufacturers have to come in and account for all
1001
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:33.070
your cigarettes and pay you a discount fee in order
1002
00:49:33.110 --> 00:49:36.030
to keep them up. And then they'll turn around and say,
1003
00:49:36.070 --> 00:49:39.110
maybe make some other kind of cigarette $ 7 when everybody
1004
00:49:39.190 --> 00:49:42.539
else is $ 10. And their sales will either maintain or
1005
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:43.119
jump up.
1006
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:48.449
Yeah. When I was with the ball team, this was
1007
00:49:48.769 --> 00:49:52.610
the 1980 winter meetings. And they had them in Hollywood, Florida.
1008
00:49:52.829 --> 00:49:53.150
Okay.
1009
00:49:53.230 --> 00:49:56.170
So we went down there for a week. They have
1010
00:49:56.230 --> 00:49:59.909
the baseball winter meetings. The first three or four days
1011
00:49:59.989 --> 00:50:04.570
is all of the major league teams. And then after
1012
00:50:04.630 --> 00:50:07.449
day three, it's opened up to all of the minor
1013
00:50:07.489 --> 00:50:08.070
league teams.
1014
00:50:08.110 --> 00:50:10.829
So you're there for a week. regardless if you go.
1015
00:50:10.750 --> 00:50:13.369
Down for the whole thing and you know we spent
1016
00:50:13.389 --> 00:50:15.969
the first part of the week negotiating stuff with our
1017
00:50:16.860 --> 00:50:19.360
uh the the team that we were a farm team
1018
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.639
for contracts what they're willing to pay right you know
1019
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:26.340
everything down to you know they paid 80 of the
1020
00:50:26.380 --> 00:50:30.179
back contract we paid 20 uh we paid 100 of
1021
00:50:30.219 --> 00:50:33.059
this they didn't pay anything but they paid 100 so
1022
00:50:33.099 --> 00:50:35.219
you work all that out during the first part of
1023
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.630
the week second part of the week Minor league teams
1024
00:50:37.670 --> 00:50:40.489
come in and it's like you start all over again.
1025
00:50:40.849 --> 00:50:43.559
You know, now the minor leagues are all dealing amongst
1026
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:45.699
themselves and the guest speakers.
1027
00:50:45.739 --> 00:50:47.500
And in fact, that's where I got to meet Gene Autry.
1028
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:51.639
But the most I ever paid for a pack of
1029
00:50:51.699 --> 00:50:53.880
cigarettes was in a machine. Now, this was back when
1030
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:57.860
they still had them in machines in Hollywood, Florida, at
1031
00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:01.090
the Diplomat Hotel in the bar across the street.
1032
00:51:01.590 --> 00:51:06.289
And it was eight bucks a pack then. That's just killer.
1033
00:51:08.090 --> 00:51:15.369
Well, like I said, and before I left, before I left, uh, Jersey, um,
1034
00:51:15.369 --> 00:51:20.360
12 bucks a pack was New York price, you know? So,
1035
00:51:20.699 --> 00:51:23.760
I mean, and that's, uh, 2014.
1036
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:26.139
I'll sell people can afford to smoke it with a
1037
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:26.980
cost like that.
1038
00:51:27.099 --> 00:51:28.880
Well, it's way down. If you take a look at
1039
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:31.889
the amount of tobacco they're selling, it's low, it's lower
1040
00:51:31.949 --> 00:51:34.590
than it ever was. It's at an all time low.
1041
00:51:34.630 --> 00:51:37.980
And that's why they're, you know, Owned by these multi,
1042
00:51:38.019 --> 00:51:40.599
you know, the cigarette companies are not on their own anymore.
1043
00:51:41.699 --> 00:51:44.559
You know, a lot of them got consumed by other companies.
1044
00:51:44.820 --> 00:51:47.110
They still carry the same brand names, but you take
1045
00:51:47.139 --> 00:51:49.329
a look and you find out that those companies are now,
1046
00:51:49.869 --> 00:51:52.070
you know, owned by something else that we really had
1047
00:51:52.090 --> 00:51:55.429
the big three in this country for quite a while.
1048
00:51:55.510 --> 00:51:58.210
And Philip Morris was, of course, the largest one, Maker
1049
00:51:58.230 --> 00:52:03.719
of Marlboro, et cetera. But yeah, no, it's it's a
1050
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:07.670
weird business now. Um, but at one time, you know, there,
1051
00:52:07.690 --> 00:52:09.329
there was a lot to it. There was a lot
1052
00:52:09.369 --> 00:52:12.389
to it. I mean, in fact, in the late nineties,
1053
00:52:12.610 --> 00:52:15.630
we would send a van, an empty van down to
1054
00:52:15.670 --> 00:52:20.230
North Carolina and spend about two grand and fill up
1055
00:52:20.289 --> 00:52:22.530
that van with cigarettes. And I mean, retail, if you
1056
00:52:22.590 --> 00:52:23.909
had to. Okay.
1057
00:52:23.949 --> 00:52:24.210
Yeah.
1058
00:52:24.929 --> 00:52:31.780
Um, my, my brother's sister-in-law from Pennsylvania and whenever she would,
1059
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:33.500
she would come down at least twice a year to
1060
00:52:33.539 --> 00:52:34.000
visit them.
1061
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.440
And whenever she got down here, she would hand.
1062
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.719
My brother $ 1, 000 and say, now, go.
1063
00:52:39.900 --> 00:52:41.480
Get every pack of Newport you can find.
1064
00:52:41.980 --> 00:52:42.599
Yep.
1065
00:52:42.820 --> 00:52:45.579
Which was illegal, but she'd load them up in the
1066
00:52:45.619 --> 00:52:48.119
trunk of that car and haul them home. She had
1067
00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:51.639
enough friends that, you know, within three days of getting home,
1068
00:52:51.710 --> 00:52:54.429
they were all distributed. But they all gave her money
1069
00:52:54.489 --> 00:52:56.230
just to come down here and buy Newports.
1070
00:52:56.469 --> 00:52:58.309
Yeah, here's the thing. I mean, I didn't have two
1071
00:52:58.329 --> 00:53:00.170
grand on hand. So what you do is you go
1072
00:53:00.190 --> 00:53:02.789
to a couple of people and say, look, I'll give
1073
00:53:02.829 --> 00:53:06.510
you cigarettes half price. And you got to pay me
1074
00:53:06.530 --> 00:53:08.320
in advance. I'm going to go pick them up. They're
1075
00:53:08.340 --> 00:53:10.480
going to have a North Carolina tax stamp on them.
1076
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:14.300
And that's that, you know, and you do that. But meanwhile,
1077
00:53:14.340 --> 00:53:16.039
you're paying like a quarter of the price. So you're
1078
00:53:16.059 --> 00:53:20.179
making a small profit on them. And, you know, you
1079
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:22.320
give people a dollar off on a pack in Jersey
1080
00:53:22.340 --> 00:53:25.360
and they're selling. No problem all day long.
1081
00:53:25.420 --> 00:53:27.949
I got, believe it or not, I got out of
1082
00:53:27.989 --> 00:53:31.030
drug charges in Germany over a tax stamp on a
1083
00:53:31.050 --> 00:53:31.769
pack of cigarettes.
1084
00:53:32.949 --> 00:53:33.489
Oh, really?
1085
00:53:33.510 --> 00:53:33.590
Yeah.
1086
00:53:36.619 --> 00:53:40.239
I got over there, went through initial training where they
1087
00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:43.170
give you the culture training, the language training and all that.
1088
00:53:43.309 --> 00:53:47.550
And then within five days of being over there was
1089
00:53:47.610 --> 00:53:53.139
the start of Reforger, which is when European war games. And,
1090
00:53:53.300 --> 00:53:55.719
you know, you would go out in the field, play
1091
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:58.400
war games. All these troops would come from the United
1092
00:53:58.460 --> 00:54:02.139
States over. And it was just one massive war game.
1093
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:05.230
And you were You know, you had German troops involved
1094
00:54:05.349 --> 00:54:07.750
and Belgian troops involved and French.
1095
00:54:07.849 --> 00:54:10.530
I mean, it was like a huge war game. Right.
1096
00:54:10.809 --> 00:54:12.659
And we went out on that. We were out in
1097
00:54:12.699 --> 00:54:16.139
the field for two and a half weeks. So then
1098
00:54:16.219 --> 00:54:19.579
we get done, come back. You go through, you know,
1099
00:54:19.619 --> 00:54:24.519
your inspection. Everything is cleaned. Everything is accounted for. Then,
1100
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:27.389
you know, they give you leave. So we went to Frankfurt.
1101
00:54:28.329 --> 00:54:30.010
And a guy that I was with, he was one
1102
00:54:30.030 --> 00:54:34.210
of the tank mechanics there. He was drunk on his ass.
1103
00:54:34.630 --> 00:54:34.869
Right.
1104
00:54:35.250 --> 00:54:37.539
And he went ahead of me. He said, I'll be
1105
00:54:37.579 --> 00:54:40.179
back in a minute. We're walking down the street in Frankfurt.
1106
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:43.300
And I had a bottle of Bailey's that I was drinking.
1107
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:45.940
And he went up to the corner and he was
1108
00:54:45.980 --> 00:54:48.260
talking with this black guy, Africana.
1109
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:51.780
He comes back. He said, I scored.
1110
00:54:52.389 --> 00:54:55.429
I said, OK, not knowing what the hell he was
1111
00:54:55.489 --> 00:54:58.750
talking about. Over there, the big thing was hash because
1112
00:54:58.809 --> 00:55:02.949
marijuana was so hard to transport and move around.
1113
00:55:03.010 --> 00:55:04.769
But hash, you know, is small.
1114
00:55:05.210 --> 00:55:05.389
Right.
1115
00:55:05.409 --> 00:55:09.750
You take a plate of hash the size of my wireless.
1116
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:11.769
Keyboard here and you can make a fortune off of it.
1117
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:13.280
So he had bought some hash.
1118
00:55:14.139 --> 00:55:17.019
And about three and a half hours later, we're coming
1119
00:55:17.099 --> 00:55:18.739
back towards the train station.
1120
00:55:18.780 --> 00:55:20.869
Buy that by the brick over there is what you.
1121
00:55:20.900 --> 00:55:21.199
Yeah.
1122
00:55:21.500 --> 00:55:22.300
So you bought a brick.
1123
00:55:22.460 --> 00:55:27.179
OK. Well, he bought a couple of 20-mark pieces.
1124
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:28.320
Oh, okay.
1125
00:55:28.340 --> 00:55:31.699
Which were about the size of, you know those thin
1126
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:34.800
Ocelli pens that you had a few years ago, the
1127
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:35.500
real thin ones?
1128
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:37.539
Yeah. Had the rubber cushion on the end?
1129
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:37.880
Yep.
1130
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:39.139
Okay.
1131
00:55:39.539 --> 00:55:42.760
Well, about the cap length, he bought a piece about
1132
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:43.929
the size of the cap.
1133
00:55:44.670 --> 00:55:44.989
Oh, okay.
1134
00:55:45.030 --> 00:55:48.710
So an inch and a half long and not even, what,
1135
00:55:48.750 --> 00:55:49.949
three-sixteenths wide.
1136
00:55:49.969 --> 00:55:52.440
Mm-hmm. So he bought a couple of those and he
1137
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:53.559
put them in a cigarette pack.
1138
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:54.619
Right.
1139
00:55:54.699 --> 00:55:56.559
And we were walking down the street and all of
1140
00:55:56.579 --> 00:56:00.340
a sudden these two unmarked CID agents come up and
1141
00:56:00.380 --> 00:56:02.780
pull him to the side. They had been watching him
1142
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:05.219
and they had been watching the guy that was dealing.
1143
00:56:05.619 --> 00:56:05.900
Right.
1144
00:56:06.059 --> 00:56:09.519
Well, they pulled him over and they frisk him and
1145
00:56:09.539 --> 00:56:11.599
they find the hash. And then they tell me, well,
1146
00:56:11.619 --> 00:56:13.929
you need to go downtown and make a statement.
1147
00:56:14.820 --> 00:56:17.570
I said, for what? I didn't see a damn thing. Well,
1148
00:56:17.610 --> 00:56:19.150
you got to go. When you're in the Army, you
1149
00:56:19.170 --> 00:56:20.349
pretty much got to follow orders.
1150
00:56:20.869 --> 00:56:24.480
So we go down to the Polozai station, which had
1151
00:56:24.659 --> 00:56:29.639
a section on the side for military police. And they
1152
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:32.159
take us into our side. Before they go in, he says, well,
1153
00:56:32.340 --> 00:56:34.079
before you go in, I got to search you for weapons.
1154
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:37.500
I said, OK, I got nothing on me. Well, he
1155
00:56:37.539 --> 00:56:39.559
pulls out a cigarette pack that was in my back
1156
00:56:39.619 --> 00:56:43.079
pocket that only had like two cigarettes in it. And
1157
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:45.179
he sticks his finger down in there and.
1158
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.610
Opens it up. And he says, aha, I've got you too.
1159
00:56:47.909 --> 00:56:51.269
I said, for what? Possession of narcotics. I said, where?
1160
00:56:51.750 --> 00:56:53.869
In the cigarette pack. I said, all right, bro.
1161
00:56:54.730 --> 00:56:57.730
So they busted us, took us in, put us in jail.
1162
00:56:57.769 --> 00:56:59.510
We had to wait for somebody to come from our
1163
00:56:59.610 --> 00:57:01.980
unit to come pick us up. So the next morning
1164
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:02.679
they come pick us up.
1165
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:04.940
We go back. First thing we do is take a
1166
00:57:04.940 --> 00:57:09.139
drug test. So we go do that.
1167
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:11.820
Then we're back. We're in the first sergeant's office. And
1168
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:12.920
I told him, I said, I have a damn thing
1169
00:57:12.940 --> 00:57:15.059
to do with this. I said, those guys are fucking,
1170
00:57:15.860 --> 00:57:17.860
this is entrapment. I said, I didn't have any drugs
1171
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:20.579
on me. Hadn't seen any drugs. Hadn't taken any drugs.
1172
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:24.340
I said, when that urinalysis I just took comes back,
1173
00:57:24.460 --> 00:57:25.480
it's going to be clear of drugs.
1174
00:57:25.900 --> 00:57:27.909
Because I had been in the field for two and
1175
00:57:27.929 --> 00:57:28.510
a half weeks.
1176
00:57:28.769 --> 00:57:29.030
Right.
1177
00:57:29.590 --> 00:57:29.909
You know?
1178
00:57:30.449 --> 00:57:36.329
So before we went on maneuvers, I brought four cartons
1179
00:57:36.369 --> 00:57:39.989
of cigarettes with me from the States. Had North Carolina's
1180
00:57:40.050 --> 00:57:44.559
tax stamp on them. OK, we get into court and,
1181
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:47.000
you know, you got a choice. Article 15, you take
1182
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:48.920
Article 15 or you can take a court hearing.
1183
00:57:48.980 --> 00:57:51.179
I took court hearing. We get in there.
1184
00:57:51.949 --> 00:57:54.289
The lawyer that I had, I said, look, I said,
1185
00:57:54.309 --> 00:57:59.190
you need to ask them. To produce that evidence, he said, why?
1186
00:57:59.349 --> 00:58:01.789
I said, because the cigarette I said, if the cigarette
1187
00:58:01.829 --> 00:58:05.550
pack that they pull up. doesn't have a north carolina
1188
00:58:05.630 --> 00:58:07.849
tax stamp on it it's not mine now.
1189
00:58:07.750 --> 00:58:09.730
Hang on just a quick second just for the listeners
1190
00:58:09.789 --> 00:58:13.340
edification when you say uh you know the the 15
1191
00:58:13.340 --> 00:58:15.619
there what you mean is you're you're just going to
1192
00:58:15.699 --> 00:58:20.199
accept discipline for wrongdoing right Well, yeah.
1193
00:58:20.340 --> 00:58:24.409
It's a non-judicial punishment. Yeah, you don't go before your.
1194
00:58:24.610 --> 00:58:27.710
Yeah, you go before the company commander or the battalion
1195
00:58:27.750 --> 00:58:30.210
commander or whoever they set that level at.
1196
00:58:30.409 --> 00:58:33.369
Your unit will punish you. That's what that is. Okay,
1197
00:58:33.389 --> 00:58:35.949
but you said, nope, put me on trial or here,
1198
00:58:36.070 --> 00:58:38.489
you know, put me through the process. Okay.
1199
00:58:38.780 --> 00:58:39.050
Yeah.
1200
00:58:39.110 --> 00:58:40.340
I just wanted to be clear.
1201
00:58:41.179 --> 00:58:43.219
Because I wanted them to find me guilty and kick
1202
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:44.639
me out if they were going to pull that shit.
1203
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:45.119
Yep.
1204
00:58:45.460 --> 00:58:46.300
Okay.
1205
00:58:46.739 --> 00:58:50.119
So anyway, we go through the hearing. And my lawyer
1206
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:53.429
asked them to produce the cigarette pack, and they do,
1207
00:58:53.610 --> 00:58:55.550
and it's in an evidence bag, and they bring it up.
1208
00:58:56.670 --> 00:58:59.170
And there's no tax stamp on it, which means it
1209
00:58:59.210 --> 00:59:05.070
was bought in a commissary or an exchange in Germany.
1210
00:59:05.570 --> 00:59:05.849
Right.
1211
00:59:07.070 --> 00:59:10.210
So, you know, I still, at this time....
1212
00:59:11.590 --> 00:59:13.989
Had cigarettes in my locker from North Carolina that still
1213
00:59:14.010 --> 00:59:17.289
had tax stamps on them. So I got out of
1214
00:59:17.329 --> 00:59:19.909
the charges because of that, because it didn't have that
1215
00:59:19.949 --> 00:59:24.110
tax stamp. And of course, you know, fingerprints, my fingerprints
1216
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:25.900
weren't on it because I'd never touched the damn pack
1217
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:26.739
that they were using.
1218
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:27.820
Right.
1219
00:59:28.059 --> 00:59:30.219
But so it's kind of funny, you know, that you
1220
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.539
get saved by a little tax stamp, a little teeny
1221
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:35.099
thing stuck on the bottom of a cigarette pack to
1222
00:59:35.139 --> 00:59:36.139
seal the cellophane.
1223
00:59:36.409 --> 00:59:36.590
Yep.
1224
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:39.849
So when the taxes were paid in North Carolina, it's funny.
1225
00:59:40.150 --> 00:59:41.309
It's funny. Yeah.
1226
00:59:41.369 --> 00:59:41.550
No.
1227
00:59:41.630 --> 00:59:44.650
And you look, you you pay for those by the
1228
00:59:44.710 --> 00:59:46.590
number and then you can tax them, you know, at
1229
00:59:46.630 --> 00:59:49.050
the distributor. And that's the way that works. I mean,
1230
00:59:49.090 --> 00:59:50.590
you know, if I pick up you pick up any
1231
00:59:50.630 --> 00:59:52.590
pack cigarettes anywhere, you'll see it on the bottom in
1232
00:59:52.610 --> 00:59:56.590
the United States for sure. Um, but, uh, yeah, so
1233
00:59:56.670 --> 00:59:59.250
absolutely you didn't have a North Carolina, but see, now
1234
00:59:59.289 --> 01:00:01.719
we would take these from North Carolina, bring them to
1235
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.539
Jersey and make a fortune on them. Cause that two
1236
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:08.400
grand easily would turn into 20.
1237
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:08.739
Okay.
1238
01:00:08.780 --> 01:00:09.500
By the time we.
1239
01:00:09.420 --> 01:00:12.400
Were done now, I'm looking at this pack of cigarettes.
1240
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:19.460
Now, now the tax stamp is actually printed in the barcode.
1241
01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:22.530
Or right above the barcode.
1242
01:00:22.769 --> 01:00:27.039
There's nothing on the cellophane now that shows that taxes
1243
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:28.400
were paid on these cigarettes.
1244
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:28.929
That's weird.
1245
01:00:29.110 --> 01:00:31.809
Well, see, North Carolina must be ahead of Georgia because
1246
01:00:32.050 --> 01:00:34.650
I still see that same old, you know, it's a
1247
01:00:34.670 --> 01:00:38.929
light blue color, and it's got the two serial numbers
1248
01:00:39.030 --> 01:00:39.650
on it and all that.
1249
01:00:39.809 --> 01:00:42.019
Yeah, that's what I'm looking for is the ink.
1250
01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:47.300
Yeah, but this is literally a paper piece added to,
1251
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.139
and like you said, it's sort of holding the folded
1252
01:00:49.179 --> 01:00:52.320
cellophane together on the bottom of my cigarette pack as
1253
01:00:52.409 --> 01:00:55.880
I speak to you. You know, so Georgia's still using
1254
01:00:55.900 --> 01:00:56.460
the old school.
1255
01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:58.559
I guess we went digital.
1256
01:00:58.719 --> 01:00:59.280
You guys went digital.
1257
01:00:59.300 --> 01:01:02.659
Yeah, because there's a barcode on here, and apparently that's
1258
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:05.639
what they, shows the tax was paid when.
1259
01:01:05.579 --> 01:01:06.210
They ring it up.
1260
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.489
Well, that's the interesting thing about these, you know, UPC codes.
1261
01:01:09.510 --> 01:01:13.150
They still work, you know, and they scan. I mean,
1262
01:01:13.190 --> 01:01:16.610
you can get an app to scan UPC codes, you know,
1263
01:01:16.769 --> 01:01:19.210
and it'll tell you exactly what it's supposed to be
1264
01:01:19.289 --> 01:01:24.119
based on its UPC code. But anyways, yeah, no, it's
1265
01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:28.260
it's an amazing story, though. So obviously they didn't have evidence.
1266
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:30.539
So what did they do? Did they just dismiss the charge?
1267
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:36.300
Yeah, they dismissed everything. But then later on, I used
1268
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:40.949
that as a first strike. You know, they tried to.
1269
01:01:42.510 --> 01:01:43.030
It's funny.
1270
01:01:44.139 --> 01:01:47.230
They didn't find me guilty for that. But the fact
1271
01:01:47.269 --> 01:01:49.590
that it was on my record, two strikes in the
1272
01:01:49.710 --> 01:01:52.750
army at that time and you were gone. So when
1273
01:01:52.789 --> 01:01:55.369
I got tired of the crap and because what had
1274
01:01:55.429 --> 01:01:58.070
happened was while I was waiting for this to happen
1275
01:01:59.010 --> 01:02:02.480
and take place, they flagged my records. I couldn't be promoted.
1276
01:02:03.059 --> 01:02:05.900
I couldn't go to certain schools. I couldn't do certain
1277
01:02:05.940 --> 01:02:07.659
things because they had a flag on my record.
1278
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:07.980
Right.
1279
01:02:08.809 --> 01:02:13.559
Well, so that put me back money-wise and promotion-wise. I
1280
01:02:13.579 --> 01:02:15.940
had missed two promotions because of this. And then finally
1281
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:17.539
my sergeant comes to me and says, well, we found
1282
01:02:17.579 --> 01:02:17.840
out what.
1283
01:02:17.780 --> 01:02:18.480
The problem was.
1284
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:22.420
They had your record still flagged. I said, so I've
1285
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.809
been busting my ass for six months for a promotion
1286
01:02:25.849 --> 01:02:27.670
that you're telling me they can't give me because they
1287
01:02:27.710 --> 01:02:31.429
can't go and backdate taking the flag off. No, basically
1288
01:02:31.449 --> 01:02:33.570
you're just having to start over. I said, well, fuck this.
1289
01:02:34.530 --> 01:02:36.210
I said, if they want to play that goddamn way,
1290
01:02:36.309 --> 01:02:38.389
I'll fix them. So I went and found a can
1291
01:02:38.429 --> 01:02:40.530
that someone had used to smoke hash out of and
1292
01:02:40.570 --> 01:02:43.820
turned it in as a marijuana smoking device.
1293
01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:47.179
That was strike two. That got me on a plane
1294
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:48.179
coming back to the States.
1295
01:02:50.500 --> 01:02:50.780
Wow.
1296
01:02:50.940 --> 01:02:53.420
So it was a good thing, but then it was
1297
01:02:53.460 --> 01:02:55.110
a bad thing at first, but it turned into a
1298
01:02:55.130 --> 01:02:58.130
good thing later. I got screwed out of a lot
1299
01:02:58.170 --> 01:02:59.829
of money because of that. And it was because I
1300
01:02:59.849 --> 01:03:04.579
pissed off company commander. and held him accountable for some shit.
1301
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:06.179
You know, being a medic, you can kind of get
1302
01:03:06.219 --> 01:03:09.900
away with some crap because not only did we, you know,
1303
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:11.860
handle things when we went to the field, but also
1304
01:03:11.909 --> 01:03:12.829
you had to run sick.
1305
01:03:12.659 --> 01:03:15.989
Call and everything else, you know, on a day-to-day.
1306
01:03:15.630 --> 01:03:20.809
Basis for your entire unit. So I'd work sick call
1307
01:03:20.849 --> 01:03:22.929
till nine o'clock in the morning, go to breakfast and
1308
01:03:22.969 --> 01:03:25.739
then work at the clinic that we had on post.
1309
01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:26.380
Right.
1310
01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:29.659
But, you know, you hold somebody accountable with the, you know,
1311
01:03:29.699 --> 01:03:32.840
captain and above, and they have a tendency to, Screw
1312
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:35.059
your life over. So they didn't take the flag off
1313
01:03:35.099 --> 01:03:37.780
my records, which kept me from getting promotions.
1314
01:03:37.860 --> 01:03:39.239
And I said, screw this shit.
1315
01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:43.559
No, they yeah, that's the thing about military culture is, again,
1316
01:03:43.619 --> 01:03:47.059
it's it's it's just as crony as anything else. You know,
1317
01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:49.199
a lot of people represent it as like a fully
1318
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:54.730
egalitarian situation, but it ain't. I mean, you're in, you're in,
1319
01:03:54.769 --> 01:03:56.639
you ain't, you ain't. It's just that simple.
1320
01:03:58.280 --> 01:03:59.800
In fact, I got into it with one of their
1321
01:03:59.820 --> 01:04:01.820
psychologists when I made a comment. I said, you know,
1322
01:04:01.860 --> 01:04:04.780
this isn't fair. He goes, well, that's an irrational statement.
1323
01:04:05.460 --> 01:04:08.480
I said, how is it irrational? Well, you know, things
1324
01:04:08.619 --> 01:04:09.219
aren't fair.
1325
01:04:09.260 --> 01:04:10.260
I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
1326
01:04:10.340 --> 01:04:14.199
This is not living on the outside. This is not
1327
01:04:14.260 --> 01:04:16.409
being a civilian where you have rules. And I said,
1328
01:04:16.469 --> 01:04:19.760
this is the army. You have a uniform code of
1329
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:20.920
military justice.
1330
01:04:21.059 --> 01:04:21.480
Correct.
1331
01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:24.980
You follow that code. If you don't follow that code,
1332
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.519
you're in violation of it and should be held accountable.
1333
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:30.880
So don't tell me that's irrational. And he started thinking
1334
01:04:30.900 --> 01:04:33.000
for a minute. He goes, well, I'm going to have
1335
01:04:33.019 --> 01:04:36.469
to rethink how I respond to that, because you're absolutely right.
1336
01:04:36.590 --> 01:04:39.750
Under this structured system, it's not a question of fair.
1337
01:04:39.889 --> 01:04:41.170
It's a question of the rules.
1338
01:04:41.610 --> 01:04:41.789
Yeah.
1339
01:04:42.070 --> 01:04:45.010
And here's the other issue. It is a question of
1340
01:04:45.110 --> 01:04:46.309
selective enforcement.
1341
01:04:46.889 --> 01:04:48.769
Yeah, and I looked at him and said, you know,
1342
01:04:48.789 --> 01:04:50.929
you've been doing this how long, and you finally come
1343
01:04:50.969 --> 01:04:52.280
around to that line of thinking?
1344
01:04:52.340 --> 01:04:53.239
Jesus Christ.
1345
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:56.099
Well, to be honest with you, man, the majority of
1346
01:04:56.139 --> 01:04:58.800
people that make it to him are already broken and
1347
01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:00.559
are not thinking for themselves anymore.
1348
01:05:01.449 --> 01:05:02.829
This guy was a major.
1349
01:05:02.869 --> 01:05:04.789
I mean, he'd been in the service for a long time.
1350
01:05:04.809 --> 01:05:07.889
He's highly educated. He had more damn letters after his
1351
01:05:07.949 --> 01:05:11.670
name from degrees. And it's like you finally realized you're
1352
01:05:11.730 --> 01:05:14.820
in the military and not on the outside world and
1353
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:16.400
how things actually work.
1354
01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:18.739
But my point about this guy is not him. What
1355
01:05:18.780 --> 01:05:21.000
I'm saying is what he's been exposed to. The people
1356
01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:23.260
that are being sent to him, for the most part,
1357
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:26.340
are guys that are meant to take orders from him normally.
1358
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:31.619
So you can't have a level conversation with a psychologist
1359
01:05:31.659 --> 01:05:35.260
like that if he's your superior, can you? See, this
1360
01:05:35.340 --> 01:05:39.610
is where military culture interferes, which is why I've always
1361
01:05:39.650 --> 01:05:42.269
said that, you know, there should be some civilian involvement
1362
01:05:42.349 --> 01:05:46.789
in various parts of military action, because you got guys
1363
01:05:46.809 --> 01:05:49.570
who are supposed to be taking orders. Here's the problem.
1364
01:05:49.710 --> 01:05:51.989
What if that guy's a moron giving you the order,
1365
01:05:53.030 --> 01:05:56.099
you know, and is not thinking clearly? You still got
1366
01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:58.940
to follow it, don't you? So long as it's not
1367
01:05:59.000 --> 01:05:59.780
directly illegal.
1368
01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:00.820
Unless it's unlawful.
1369
01:06:01.210 --> 01:06:03.909
If it's a lawful.
1370
01:06:03.190 --> 01:06:04.469
Order, you've got to follow it.
1371
01:06:04.630 --> 01:06:07.329
A lawful order. Even if it's stupid, as long as
1372
01:06:07.389 --> 01:06:10.610
it's lawful, it's fine. See, this is what the problem is.
1373
01:06:10.849 --> 01:06:13.090
And this guy has been exposed to, guess what, a
1374
01:06:13.139 --> 01:06:15.059
bunch of people that are meant to take orders from
1375
01:06:15.099 --> 01:06:18.820
him based on what is on his uniform already. So
1376
01:06:18.980 --> 01:06:21.400
how are you going to have a conversation with somebody
1377
01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:26.400
that is your superior automatically? When it comes to psychology.
1378
01:06:26.460 --> 01:06:26.960
Seriously.
1379
01:06:27.019 --> 01:06:29.019
I mean, consider that for a moment, guys.
1380
01:06:29.460 --> 01:06:30.519
You should catch him.
1381
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:32.619
We used to have a big sign on the aid
1382
01:06:32.659 --> 01:06:36.130
station door in the basement of the building we were in.
1383
01:06:36.190 --> 01:06:38.469
It says, your rank stops here. Yeah.
1384
01:06:38.489 --> 01:06:40.469
And basically it was, we don't give a shit how
1385
01:06:40.489 --> 01:06:42.630
much gold you got on your shoulder. When you come
1386
01:06:42.670 --> 01:06:45.429
through here, you're just a private. Shut the fuck up.
1387
01:06:45.610 --> 01:06:48.409
Well, yeah. Now, but see, you have to create stuff
1388
01:06:48.449 --> 01:06:52.050
like that. Otherwise, there is never the opportunity to engage
1389
01:06:52.170 --> 01:06:56.280
with any meaningful dialogue. Because nobody ever challenged him. This
1390
01:06:56.380 --> 01:06:58.900
is why, you know, you decided to challenge him. But
1391
01:06:58.940 --> 01:07:01.260
think about it. The majority of guys sitting there in
1392
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:04.550
your position went, yes, sir. No matter what the hell
1393
01:07:04.590 --> 01:07:07.969
he said. So he had no pressure to perform.
1394
01:07:08.989 --> 01:07:11.309
My first sergeant told me one day, he goes, you know,
1395
01:07:12.409 --> 01:07:14.230
he says, I really wouldn't want to go to.
1396
01:07:14.260 --> 01:07:16.559
Battle with an entire battalion full of you.
1397
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:19.340
But when the shit does hit the fan, I definitely
1398
01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:20.360
would want you around.
1399
01:07:21.380 --> 01:07:24.300
Yeah, no, I agree. Listen, I would not a whole
1400
01:07:24.539 --> 01:07:26.800
I would not want a whole gang full of BP's.
1401
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.400
Not at all. But one or two of them among
1402
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:37.269
10 is a good idea. And I can point to that.
1403
01:07:38.650 --> 01:07:42.050
What was it? Twenty twenty three Lancer convention for that
1404
01:07:42.150 --> 01:07:44.429
one right there. That was hilarious. I'll never forget that.
1405
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:47.300
I really thought we were going to wind up in
1406
01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:48.719
the parking lot there for a little bit.
1407
01:07:49.860 --> 01:07:50.719
We almost did.
1408
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:51.380
We almost did.
1409
01:07:53.380 --> 01:07:54.719
Anyway. I'm serious.
1410
01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:56.800
That crowd that was sitting back there when people were
1411
01:07:56.840 --> 01:07:59.630
trying to give presentations, they just flat pissed me off.
1412
01:08:00.050 --> 01:08:05.789
See, that's what happens when YouTube celebrities attack. Anyways, guys,
1413
01:08:06.010 --> 01:08:11.949
stay tuned. Listen, you can call in 319-527-5016. The Friday
1414
01:08:11.989 --> 01:08:15.429
night open mic Ocelli effect will continue because it is
1415
01:08:15.550 --> 01:08:17.920
well past one hour that we've been talking here and
1416
01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:19.899
nobody's called in.
1417
01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:20.199
319-527-5016.
1418
01:08:20.420 --> 01:08:24.359
I could talk to BP like this all night, though.
1419
01:08:24.380 --> 01:08:26.520
It don't matter to me. But if you want to
1420
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:28.760
change the topic or enter into the discussion.
1421
01:08:38.420 --> 01:08:40.399
The views expressed by Caller Schools or anyone else who
1422
01:08:40.420 --> 01:08:42.159
happens to get on the air at Ocelli.com do not
1423
01:08:42.180 --> 01:08:45.319
necessarily reflect the views of Ocelli.com or Chuck Ocelli, and
1424
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:47.739
we are not responsible for any stupidity which might ensue.
1425
01:08:47.859 --> 01:08:48.140
Thank you.
1426
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:49.439
Stoy Apple!
1427
01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:50.550
Stoy Apple!
1428
01:08:50.890 --> 01:08:51.050
Oi!
1429
01:08:51.149 --> 01:08:53.329
Stoy Apple! Stoy Apple!
1430
01:08:53.430 --> 01:08:54.369
Stoy Apple!
1431
01:08:54.449 --> 01:08:55.510
We're Stoying Apple!
1432
01:08:55.569 --> 01:08:56.189
We're Stoying- Oi!
1433
01:08:56.350 --> 01:08:56.489
Oi!
1434
01:08:56.810 --> 01:08:59.930
Oi! Oi! Oi! We Stoy Apple! We Stoy Apple! Oi!
1435
01:08:50.130 --> 01:08:51.029
Now that's good.
1436
01:09:20.470 --> 01:09:21.279
Thank you.
1437
01:09:49.390 --> 01:09:53.369
Chilly.com.
1438
01:09:53.409 --> 01:09:53.890
Chilly.com.
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Before World War II.
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The United States was a continental republic. In the decade
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that followed, it became an imperial superpower. Generals such as
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Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba, but knew
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that there were short-range missiles on the island armed with
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nuclear warheads that they could not destroy because they were
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on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have led to a
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Get ready for the Ocelli Effect. Second segment of the
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01:14:04.729 --> 01:14:07.729
Ocelli Effect Friday night open mic begins now, and you
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01:14:07.770 --> 01:14:13.470
can join us by dialing 319-527-5016. That's how you become
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01:14:13.510 --> 01:14:17.760
a part of this. Me here, my co-host, Pete, and you,
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01:14:17.949 --> 01:14:20.359
if you decide to join us, 319-527-5016, and we'll take
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01:14:20.380 --> 01:14:23.640
this to about 10 quarter after something like that, after
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01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:30.479
10 p.m. Eastern time. here uh as we uh bear
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01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:33.699
down and get ready for the storms also anybody in
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01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:38.649
the uh georgia area i got more puppies god help
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01:14:38.729 --> 01:14:42.109
us all um and uh yeah these are bigger dogs
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01:14:42.390 --> 01:14:44.609
so anybody needs a big dog and you're near macon
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01:14:44.649 --> 01:14:47.890
georgia get in touch with me uh i would be
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01:14:47.989 --> 01:14:50.250
more than happy to rehome these bad boys and they
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01:14:50.270 --> 01:14:56.300
were just born oh yesterday or the day before actually Anyway,
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01:14:56.840 --> 01:14:59.199
my wife and her stray dogs. What can I say?
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01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:02.880
Maybe that's how she ended up with me. Anyway, BP,
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01:15:02.939 --> 01:15:04.819
you want to get to Danny or should we cover
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01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:06.060
something else real quick first?
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01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:08.159
No, go ahead and bring Danny on.
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01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:10.359
All right. So we got Danny on the line. And
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01:15:10.380 --> 01:15:15.640
like I said, you can do that too. 319-527-5016. That's
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01:15:15.659 --> 01:15:20.779
the number to call into this. So let's see. Oh,
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01:15:20.819 --> 01:15:23.949
wait a minute. Oh, I did a mistake. Hold on.
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01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:27.460
Hold on. I made a mistake because somebody else popped
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01:15:27.539 --> 01:15:31.020
up on the line and took over Danny's spot. So
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01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:34.220
now I got Danny. Okay, there we go. Danny, you're
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01:15:34.260 --> 01:15:35.239
first up. What's up?
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01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:40.960
Present. Present. So how are you surviving this storm?
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01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:45.300
Well, so far it hasn't been bad. I can feel it,
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01:15:45.550 --> 01:15:49.510
but we're not getting hit with anything yet. So I
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01:15:49.529 --> 01:15:51.829
know it's coming. The low pressure is swooping in and
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01:15:51.890 --> 01:15:55.539
all that. So my bones and injuries are hurting a
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01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:57.680
little more and a few other things are happening that
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01:15:57.720 --> 01:16:00.289
let me know a storm is coming. But I have
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01:16:00.430 --> 01:16:03.949
no idea what the impact is going to be. Just
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01:16:03.989 --> 01:16:07.210
trying to gather water and stuff like that with, you know,
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01:16:07.369 --> 01:16:11.460
low budget and also with the panic in Georgia, which
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01:16:11.539 --> 01:16:15.829
is unusual this time. The Governor Kemp declared a state
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01:16:15.850 --> 01:16:20.449
of emergency, activated his operational security measures, blah, blah, blah,
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01:16:21.260 --> 01:16:25.180
informed FEMA and all that. And usually in Georgia, that's
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01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:28.800
not normal. So I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
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01:16:30.579 --> 01:16:33.520
But I'm sure people tune into something on the Internet somewhere.
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01:16:33.579 --> 01:16:36.300
They'll see a weather map creeping over toward us that
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01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:43.539
doesn't look friendly. Okay. But anyway, it's Hurricane Isaiah, I think.
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01:16:43.619 --> 01:16:44.359
Is that what it's called?
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01:16:44.380 --> 01:16:46.800
Something like that.
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01:16:46.819 --> 01:16:50.060
Something like that. So what's on your mind, Danny?
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01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:54.560
Well, September's over. We're in October.
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01:16:54.619 --> 01:16:57.170
We're getting close to the middle of October, and it
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01:16:57.350 --> 01:17:01.909
is an election season. So I want to chat a
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01:17:01.909 --> 01:17:07.529
little bit about the political economy and the storm that
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01:17:07.569 --> 01:17:14.680
may be coming or not coming. I'm looking at this season.
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01:17:17.060 --> 01:17:19.199
Tell me what you guys think is.
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01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:19.920
Going on here.
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01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:23.260
I've got some ideas, but last year in 2025, the
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01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:26.479
corporate profits was $ 4 trillion.
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01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:30.279
The second quarter of 2026 is $ 4. 7 trillion corporate profits. Yeah.
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01:17:38.939 --> 01:17:40.140
How are your neighbors doing?
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01:17:41.699 --> 01:17:45.010
Well, see, now there's an interesting question because to me,
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01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:49.250
politics is separate from the economy at this point because
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01:17:49.390 --> 01:17:53.909
people act in an emotional response to both. But it
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01:17:53.989 --> 01:17:57.210
may be bipolar in nature. And what do I mean
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01:17:57.250 --> 01:18:00.729
by this? Well, in Georgia– It's pretty interesting because we
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01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:03.720
are in the full swing here of the dreaded midterms
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01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:07.720
that everybody was talking about, right? And the typical attack
1537
01:18:07.859 --> 01:18:11.630
ads are happening. John Ossoff is a scumbag. Actually, John
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01:18:11.729 --> 01:18:15.109
Ossoff tried to stop child trafficking. Actually, John Ossoff is
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01:18:15.149 --> 01:18:20.310
a scumbag is the most common refrain here on every device.
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01:18:21.689 --> 01:18:25.090
And on every billboard and they're mailing stuff out, you know, big,
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01:18:25.149 --> 01:18:31.220
huge laminate or not laminated, glossy mailers and everything. OK,
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01:18:31.579 --> 01:18:34.399
are hitting my house even even though Mrs. O is
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01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:38.239
the only registered voter here. We're getting these things daily.
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01:18:39.939 --> 01:18:44.699
So the Senate races are apparently important. But here's the
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01:18:44.739 --> 01:18:48.869
thing on the street and among people, they're not really
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01:18:48.909 --> 01:18:49.550
talking about it.
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01:18:50.899 --> 01:18:51.000
It.
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01:18:51.020 --> 01:18:53.909
It hasn't lit a fire under anybody in Georgia. Now,
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01:18:54.020 --> 01:18:55.800
I don't know if this prevails in other parts of
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01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:59.100
the country, but if so, it may be a very
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01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:04.149
quiet midterm here where we don't see the record high voting.
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01:19:04.229 --> 01:19:06.350
We don't see the crazy, you know, Oh, we're getting
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01:19:06.369 --> 01:19:08.329
rid of the mail-in ballots and the voter, this and
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01:19:08.369 --> 01:19:11.920
voter fraud and, All those arguments, I got to tell you,
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01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:14.520
I'm starting to settle on the idea that at least locally,
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01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:20.279
fatigue has set in. They have finally gotten tired of
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01:19:20.340 --> 01:19:23.119
what was going on here, and they're just not lit
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01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:25.300
up like they were. And like they were screaming about
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01:19:25.380 --> 01:19:27.819
Stacey Abrams, you either loved her or hated her here.
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01:19:28.520 --> 01:19:33.479
And she became a national issue. And, you know, Keisha
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01:19:33.899 --> 01:19:37.579
Higgins Bottoms, whatever the hell, the former mayor of Atlanta
1562
01:19:37.619 --> 01:19:41.140
or whatever. uh, was a big political figure for a second.
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01:19:41.220 --> 01:19:44.659
Now nobody cares. Um, you know what I mean? They
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01:19:44.739 --> 01:19:46.680
even put a matter of fact, it was so funny.
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01:19:46.739 --> 01:19:49.810
Stacey Abrams, I think, uh, I'm pretty sure they made
1566
01:19:49.850 --> 01:19:53.510
her the president of planet earth on Star Trek. No kidding. Uh,
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01:19:53.609 --> 01:19:55.989
so in, you know, in liberal Hollywood, it was pretty
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01:19:56.029 --> 01:20:00.920
interesting five years ago. Um, but I, I, I see
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01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:04.680
nothing but dispassionate disinterest at this point because we're exhausted. Um,
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01:20:05.350 --> 01:20:10.720
from two very interesting paradigms here. One is you can't
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01:20:10.779 --> 01:20:15.579
maintain outrage at all times. It's impossible. So you don't
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01:20:15.619 --> 01:20:19.380
have that engagement going on here in Georgia. And secondly,
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01:20:19.539 --> 01:20:25.619
the economic pressures have now taken primary energy away from
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01:20:25.859 --> 01:20:28.119
any of the debate, any of the other stuff that
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01:20:28.140 --> 01:20:31.489
would have gone on here. So I'm feeling like, at
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01:20:31.529 --> 01:20:34.949
least in Georgia, it's going to be a relatively quiet situation,
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01:20:35.430 --> 01:20:40.840
which usually bodes well for incumbents, except here. Because this state,
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01:20:40.899 --> 01:20:43.659
top to bottom, I don't care what anybody says, is
1579
01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:49.579
run by the GOP. It literally is. And I mean,
1580
01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:52.680
on every level, we have like two big swipes of
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01:20:52.739 --> 01:20:56.090
the state that are blue. And that's obviously in Atlanta
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01:20:56.350 --> 01:20:59.930
and Savannah. And the little track that I live in
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01:21:00.029 --> 01:21:03.829
is also blue. The rest of the state is red. So,
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01:21:05.050 --> 01:21:07.189
you know, and by the way, the blue people here
1585
01:21:07.390 --> 01:21:11.100
hate their their mayor right now. They're literally like calling
1586
01:21:11.140 --> 01:21:13.779
for his head because he's doing nothing and not even
1587
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.079
mentioning when we have a gunfight in a public place.
1588
01:21:16.119 --> 01:21:19.659
He goes out and talks about something else literally hours afterwards.
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01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:24.260
Totally disconnected. This guy is OK. And that's the mayor
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01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:28.510
of Macon, Georgia. Uh, Lester, I forget Lester, whatever the
1591
01:21:28.529 --> 01:21:30.649
hell his name is. Look him up. His name is Lester.
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01:21:30.670 --> 01:21:34.140
He's the mayor of Macon and people are pissed because, uh,
1593
01:21:34.189 --> 01:21:37.789
there were 12 people shot in a, in a gunfight
1594
01:21:37.890 --> 01:21:39.800
in a public park. And this guy didn't even make
1595
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:45.109
a comment about it. So, you know, yeah. So and Democrat,
1596
01:21:45.170 --> 01:21:48.909
by the way, which makes zero sense. So what in
1597
01:21:48.970 --> 01:21:51.909
the hell is going on? I think everybody is disconnected
1598
01:21:51.970 --> 01:21:56.479
and dispassionate in Georgia. Now, your experiences may vary elsewhere,
1599
01:21:57.100 --> 01:21:59.819
but that's what I see. Now, what's interesting here is
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01:21:59.880 --> 01:22:02.060
I want to be Pete to answer this question, because
1601
01:22:02.779 --> 01:22:05.260
I'm always told North Carolina is more of a purple
1602
01:22:05.340 --> 01:22:08.840
state than the place I live in. Um, but I
1603
01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:10.319
don't know, I don't know what to make of it
1604
01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:13.069
because you've got corruption charges and all kinds of weirdness
1605
01:22:13.090 --> 01:22:16.729
going on and contention there, but is exhaustion setting in
1606
01:22:16.770 --> 01:22:20.130
in North Carolina or are people still engaged? What do
1607
01:22:20.149 --> 01:22:20.489
you see?
1608
01:22:22.810 --> 01:22:25.640
Well, you always got a certain percentage that's going to
1609
01:22:25.659 --> 01:22:29.520
be engaged no matter what, just because, you know, politics
1610
01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:34.420
is tied to money and tied to Raleigh, but, You know,
1611
01:22:34.699 --> 01:22:37.159
I see a lot of people that they just want
1612
01:22:37.180 --> 01:22:40.220
to get these midterms over with. And I see a
1613
01:22:40.260 --> 01:22:41.979
lot of them that really don't give a damn which
1614
01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:44.880
way it goes, you know, whether the Dems take over
1615
01:22:44.899 --> 01:22:46.560
the Senate or the House or both.
1616
01:22:46.579 --> 01:22:50.890
I mean, they're just— the system is so broken now, people
1617
01:22:50.909 --> 01:22:56.010
are just tired of it. Personally, I can't wait for
1618
01:22:56.029 --> 01:22:57.710
the damn midterms to be over with.
1619
01:22:57.810 --> 01:23:04.050
It doesn't matter— You've had Republicans in charge now long
1620
01:23:04.109 --> 01:23:05.909
enough that things should have been voted on.
1621
01:23:05.970 --> 01:23:06.729
But what are they doing?
1622
01:23:06.750 --> 01:23:09.590
They're spending all their damn time on recess and vacation.
1623
01:23:10.210 --> 01:23:12.970
They shut down for how many months at the beginning
1624
01:23:13.010 --> 01:23:17.569
of this recent Trump term? And it's like we are
1625
01:23:17.630 --> 01:23:22.340
paying people to go and do a job who we
1626
01:23:22.399 --> 01:23:26.720
can't afford to pay them what we're paying them based
1627
01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:30.760
on the average salary of people in this state. And
1628
01:23:30.819 --> 01:23:33.619
they just blow it off and go the hell home.
1629
01:23:34.510 --> 01:23:37.890
It's like anytime, you know, I'm one of those that
1630
01:23:37.930 --> 01:23:42.069
for every day that they're in recess, their pay should
1631
01:23:42.090 --> 01:23:46.329
be docked because they're not doing what they were hired
1632
01:23:46.390 --> 01:23:46.850
to do.
1633
01:23:47.489 --> 01:23:51.899
Any other business, well, even government jobs, if.
1634
01:23:51.859 --> 01:23:54.119
You don't produce a certain amount, you're going to be gone.
1635
01:23:55.180 --> 01:23:57.159
Either because they want to get somebody else in that's
1636
01:23:57.220 --> 01:23:59.819
a buddy of theirs or you're costing the company time
1637
01:23:59.880 --> 01:24:02.260
and money and they don't want to put up with it.
1638
01:24:02.810 --> 01:24:06.329
But when we've got– and this is the part that
1639
01:24:06.350 --> 01:24:10.689
really bothers me. Duke Power in this state keeps wanting
1640
01:24:10.710 --> 01:24:13.829
to raise rates, raise rates, raise rates. Oh, we need
1641
01:24:13.850 --> 01:24:18.310
to pay for upgrading the infrastructure. Okay, well, you guys
1642
01:24:18.350 --> 01:24:20.770
have had a monopoly on power in this state for
1643
01:24:20.829 --> 01:24:24.779
quite some time. So you've let the infrastructure go to
1644
01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:31.079
crap while you pay your CEO millions of dollars, which
1645
01:24:31.260 --> 01:24:36.109
adds up to billions of dollars over this time. And
1646
01:24:36.149 --> 01:24:39.810
instead of upgrading the infrastructure, you're worried about somebody's stock
1647
01:24:39.829 --> 01:24:42.989
portfolio and their golden parachute on the way out the door.
1648
01:24:43.770 --> 01:24:45.710
And now you want us to pay for the upgrade
1649
01:24:46.949 --> 01:24:51.109
of the grid. I mean it's ridiculous, and people are
1650
01:24:51.149 --> 01:24:53.649
really starting to get pissed off with companies like Duke
1651
01:24:53.689 --> 01:24:56.789
Power that end up not paying shit in taxes, and
1652
01:24:56.869 --> 01:25:00.189
any taxes they do pay get dumped right back on us,
1653
01:25:00.260 --> 01:25:03.920
the consumer. So what the hell are we supposed to do?
1654
01:25:04.340 --> 01:25:09.270
We can't go off the grid cheaply. If you want
1655
01:25:09.289 --> 01:25:12.170
to start, you know, it all started with the solar power. Oh, yes,
1656
01:25:12.229 --> 01:25:14.909
everybody needs solar power. And then anything else that you
1657
01:25:14.949 --> 01:25:16.390
have is going to be put back on the grid.
1658
01:25:16.449 --> 01:25:19.430
We'll teach those big electric companies on how we're going
1659
01:25:19.449 --> 01:25:21.770
to do this. Well, that was fine when it started.
1660
01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:24.140
But now if you've got solar panels on your house
1661
01:25:24.180 --> 01:25:27.340
and they're connected to the grid, Duke Power charges you
1662
01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:29.279
for having those damn solar panels.
1663
01:25:29.579 --> 01:25:31.079
And what do they do to undercut you?
1664
01:25:31.100 --> 01:25:35.760
They go out and buy acre upon acre of farmland
1665
01:25:36.220 --> 01:25:39.739
and put these solar panel fields on them. And start
1666
01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:44.319
giving dividends for tax credits or carbon credits and everything else.
1667
01:25:45.340 --> 01:25:49.310
Carbon credits became a bigger business than solar panels at
1668
01:25:49.430 --> 01:25:52.630
one time. Because the money that the government was giving
1669
01:25:52.729 --> 01:25:54.810
out in the way of credits. And people wanted to
1670
01:25:54.909 --> 01:25:57.149
bank these things so that they could sell them on
1671
01:25:57.189 --> 01:25:57.670
the market.
1672
01:25:58.930 --> 01:26:02.220
And we're paying for it. We're paying for all that shit.
1673
01:26:02.260 --> 01:26:04.180
We're paying for it through our taxes and the money
1674
01:26:04.220 --> 01:26:06.350
and the incentives that the government gives the power company.
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01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:08.109
And then we're paying for it at the power company.
1676
01:26:08.130 --> 01:26:09.170
We're getting screwed twice.
1677
01:26:09.710 --> 01:26:09.970
Right.
1678
01:26:10.029 --> 01:26:12.609
So what I'm what I'm hearing here, BP, is that
1679
01:26:12.670 --> 01:26:15.989
you and I are almost saying the same thing with
1680
01:26:16.229 --> 01:26:20.640
with slightly different circumstances where we have the economic pressures
1681
01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:24.609
of day to day life. And the inefficiency of the
1682
01:26:24.670 --> 01:26:29.350
government causing a fatigue where it's becoming a dispassionate situation.
1683
01:26:29.810 --> 01:26:31.369
I mean, there's always going to be those that are
1684
01:26:31.409 --> 01:26:35.210
engaged politically because that's their primary source of, I don't know,
1685
01:26:35.310 --> 01:26:38.890
life force and living. But then again, the rest of
1686
01:26:38.989 --> 01:26:42.569
us are becoming disconnected from the system and really kind
1687
01:26:42.609 --> 01:26:45.989
of ineffectual about it. Where it's like, look, just get
1688
01:26:46.029 --> 01:26:47.210
it over with.
1689
01:26:47.810 --> 01:26:49.739
This state is just like the federal government.
1690
01:26:50.060 --> 01:26:53.359
The Republicans have been in charge of the statehouse and
1691
01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:56.159
Senate now for going.
1692
01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:59.600
On 20 years. Now, we went 140 years of Democrat control.
1693
01:27:02.689 --> 01:27:04.829
And the way they had it locked down, it was
1694
01:27:04.890 --> 01:27:07.810
hard as hell for it to be broken. But it
1695
01:27:07.829 --> 01:27:09.380
finally got broken by Republicans.
1696
01:27:09.609 --> 01:27:09.840
Right.
1697
01:27:10.420 --> 01:27:13.300
And through gerrymandering and everything else that's gone on over
1698
01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:15.420
the past 20 years, they've been able to keep control.
1699
01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:20.300
But we've got a Democrat governor. We've only had two
1700
01:27:20.340 --> 01:27:22.460
Republican governors in the last, what, 100 years?
1701
01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:24.199
Or three, I think it is.
1702
01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:27.960
So this state is really screwed up when it comes
1703
01:27:28.020 --> 01:27:28.720
to politics.
1704
01:27:28.779 --> 01:27:30.100
The state is Democrat.
1705
01:27:31.140 --> 01:27:34.319
Until Republicans broke it, you know, 18 years ago and
1706
01:27:34.340 --> 01:27:38.340
have had it ever since. It seems like other than Obama,
1707
01:27:38.380 --> 01:27:41.539
we voted Republican for president, I don't know how many
1708
01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:47.020
terms back. But yet we at one time it was
1709
01:27:47.060 --> 01:27:49.619
a Democrat state. So, yeah, we are kind of a
1710
01:27:49.659 --> 01:27:53.300
purple state. But, you know, here we are in this
1711
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:57.060
state and can't get things passed with a Republican control
1712
01:27:57.100 --> 01:28:00.020
for the past 15 years on the House and the Senate.
1713
01:28:01.300 --> 01:28:03.140
It's just like the federal government. Right.
1714
01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:05.119
Republicans have been in charge and haven't done a damn
1715
01:28:05.159 --> 01:28:07.220
thing other than the big, beautiful bill at the beginning
1716
01:28:07.239 --> 01:28:07.960
of all this crap.
1717
01:28:07.979 --> 01:28:10.359
They haven't done squat since. Right.
1718
01:28:10.470 --> 01:28:12.270
So with that, I want to go back to Danny.
1719
01:28:12.359 --> 01:28:14.289
And then also we got Jimmy James on the line.
1720
01:28:14.329 --> 01:28:16.390
So I want to let Danny now respond to the
1721
01:28:16.430 --> 01:28:18.770
question that he asked, because he got long answers out
1722
01:28:18.789 --> 01:28:21.949
of both of us. But ultimately, I believe you and
1723
01:28:21.989 --> 01:28:24.149
I are telling two different versions of the same story.
1724
01:28:24.670 --> 01:28:28.149
Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it sounds like to me. Danny,
1725
01:28:28.369 --> 01:28:30.609
what do you think of both of those reports? Go ahead.
1726
01:28:32.260 --> 01:28:37.100
I think what you're saying about your utilities, you both
1727
01:28:37.189 --> 01:28:37.970
have two.
1728
01:28:39.850 --> 01:28:40.899
Utility companies.
1729
01:28:40.909 --> 01:28:43.600
You have a monopoly in basically taking care of their
1730
01:28:43.659 --> 01:28:49.260
shareholders and CEO pay and then.
1731
01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:52.659
Flipping it back onto the rate payer, the consumer.
1732
01:28:54.260 --> 01:28:56.569
But you can apply that same thing. But hang on,
1733
01:28:56.609 --> 01:28:59.350
you can apply that same thing to all the energy
1734
01:28:59.409 --> 01:29:03.520
costs and all of your day to day living costs, right?
1735
01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:07.800
Your cost of living, essentially, it's all functioning under the
1736
01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:11.470
same dysfunction. Where, you know, whether it's gas or it's,
1737
01:29:11.609 --> 01:29:16.609
you know, essential resources or it's electricity, it's irrelevant. And
1738
01:29:16.689 --> 01:29:18.770
he's got Duke Energy. We don't have that. We have
1739
01:29:18.810 --> 01:29:22.659
the Georgia thing. And the Georgia power people are also
1740
01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:27.560
in charge of what? Louisiana and Alabama. That's their big monopoly. OK,
1741
01:29:27.579 --> 01:29:32.189
they control like the Bible Belt. All right. And, you know,
1742
01:29:32.229 --> 01:29:35.250
and his controls like the next, you know, the belly
1743
01:29:35.289 --> 01:29:37.770
button above the Bible Belt is all controlled by Duke.
1744
01:29:38.569 --> 01:29:41.289
I mean, it's now in seven states.
1745
01:29:41.789 --> 01:29:42.489
Yeah.
1746
01:29:42.970 --> 01:29:47.729
And their subsidiaries are nationwide. So they're pulling in from
1747
01:29:47.770 --> 01:29:48.850
every state. They're making money.
1748
01:29:48.930 --> 01:29:52.289
Yeah, right. But my point is your company's bigger, but
1749
01:29:52.649 --> 01:29:55.520
it's the same. But the same methodology applies and the
1750
01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:59.680
same economic pressures on guess who the consumer apply is.
1751
01:30:00.369 --> 01:30:05.250
In the majority of the country. So, you know, California is,
1752
01:30:05.489 --> 01:30:07.260
you know, like I talked to you off air about,
1753
01:30:07.899 --> 01:30:11.000
it's a different situation. Everybody wants to go, it's California
1754
01:30:11.039 --> 01:30:15.020
and all that. But it's a different situation because that
1755
01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:18.170
could function as its own national economy without a problem.
1756
01:30:19.189 --> 01:30:23.630
We're part of these interlocking coalitions of states. You guys
1757
01:30:23.869 --> 01:30:26.930
are the coalition of states. You could be separate states
1758
01:30:27.449 --> 01:30:32.329
without an issue. But yet, here's the thing. I'm willing
1759
01:30:32.369 --> 01:30:35.789
to bet that some of the same conditions prevail in
1760
01:30:35.829 --> 01:30:36.789
California even.
1761
01:30:37.909 --> 01:30:39.289
Yes. Yes.
1762
01:30:40.689 --> 01:30:41.130
So go ahead.
1763
01:30:41.149 --> 01:30:42.670
Tell us about it.
1764
01:30:43.149 --> 01:30:48.579
Now, what they have for– there's particular segments in California–
1765
01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:51.579
This is where the grid is all over the place.
1766
01:30:51.779 --> 01:30:55.979
Where I live, it's called under SMUD, Sacramento Municipal Utilities.
1767
01:30:56.920 --> 01:31:00.739
My electric bills, compared to most of the country, are
1768
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:03.680
relatively low.
1769
01:31:03.699 --> 01:31:05.180
They're not a shareholder.
1770
01:31:05.260 --> 01:31:12.039
It's actually the definition of a socialist type of deal.
1771
01:31:12.100 --> 01:31:13.510
It's not a for-profit.
1772
01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:20.399
The The energy bills are quite consistent, and now in
1773
01:31:20.859 --> 01:31:24.060
other parts of California, they have Pacific Gas and Electric,
1774
01:31:24.670 --> 01:31:30.409
and they are shareholder-driven, and I have heard complaints. I
1775
01:31:30.449 --> 01:31:32.770
have it for my gas because I have a gas dryer.
1776
01:31:32.970 --> 01:31:34.949
I get a bill from them, but it does not
1777
01:31:35.029 --> 01:31:37.039
heat the entire house, and I get it for heating.
1778
01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:38.920
And my bills are.
1779
01:31:42.609 --> 01:31:45.829
I've heard a lot of complaints about Pacific Gas.
1780
01:31:45.890 --> 01:31:48.130
There's been talk about wanting to break them up.
1781
01:31:49.250 --> 01:31:52.550
Yeah, but for the record and for the listener's edification,
1782
01:31:52.630 --> 01:31:55.810
me sitting in one of the poorest places in Georgia
1783
01:31:55.850 --> 01:32:00.210
to be, okay, outside of the rural. If you're in
1784
01:32:00.350 --> 01:32:03.470
an urban environment, I'm in one of the crappiest places
1785
01:32:03.510 --> 01:32:07.470
to be urban-wise in Georgia. Guess what? I'm paying more
1786
01:32:07.550 --> 01:32:10.430
on my power bill than Danny is in California. For
1787
01:32:10.470 --> 01:32:11.590
those of you that think.
1788
01:32:11.630 --> 01:32:14.029
You're telling me you're paying quite a bit more. I think,
1789
01:32:14.050 --> 01:32:16.149
I mean, I'll just give you an idea.
1790
01:32:16.270 --> 01:32:19.979
Well, you don't have to share that information. I'm just
1791
01:32:19.989 --> 01:32:22.899
saying that in our private conversations, I know for a
1792
01:32:22.979 --> 01:32:26.739
fact that I'm paying more than you for a smaller
1793
01:32:26.859 --> 01:32:30.170
house to keep the power on. That's all I'm trying
1794
01:32:30.189 --> 01:32:32.930
to explain to anybody is that that's the circumstance we
1795
01:32:32.970 --> 01:32:36.760
find ourselves in. Even in California, where everything is supposed
1796
01:32:36.779 --> 01:32:39.060
to be super expensive and you're being told by certain
1797
01:32:39.079 --> 01:32:42.779
media outlets, everybody's fleeing and all this other stuff. Guess what?
1798
01:32:43.300 --> 01:32:46.710
I'd rather have his power bill. Okay, then the crap
1799
01:32:46.789 --> 01:32:48.729
I'm facing, and he knows it because I've told him
1800
01:32:48.770 --> 01:32:52.850
about it personally, but I'm just saying that this is
1801
01:32:52.869 --> 01:32:55.489
something you need to observe. There's a bit of an
1802
01:32:55.529 --> 01:32:57.510
imbalance here is all I'm saying. Go ahead, Danny.
1803
01:32:57.569 --> 01:32:58.899
Sorry. Well, there is.
1804
01:32:58.979 --> 01:33:01.239
Well, just to give you an idea without giving numbers,
1805
01:33:01.659 --> 01:33:05.939
basically the information you're talking, you've told me your power
1806
01:33:05.979 --> 01:33:10.479
bill in a poor part of Georgia is three times
1807
01:33:10.539 --> 01:33:12.989
larger than my power bill in a.
1808
01:33:14.649 --> 01:33:18.329
Pretty much predominant middle to upper middle class neighborhood.
1809
01:33:18.510 --> 01:33:20.310
Yeah.
1810
01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:23.539
Now, there's certain things that will cost more. We definitely
1811
01:33:23.579 --> 01:33:27.800
pay far more higher price in gasoline, and that some
1812
01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:34.659
of that is because of the environmental, you know, because
1813
01:33:34.699 --> 01:33:36.850
we live in basins and the type of climate we
1814
01:33:36.890 --> 01:33:40.189
have to keep the air quality clean, and plus also, too,
1815
01:33:40.229 --> 01:33:41.670
we've shot ourselves in the foot.
1816
01:33:41.689 --> 01:33:45.029
We haven't I mean, even the United States in general.
1817
01:33:45.050 --> 01:33:48.510
We haven't built enough refineries for the capacity, so we
1818
01:33:48.529 --> 01:33:51.739
do import a lot of gas, and the gas that
1819
01:33:51.880 --> 01:33:54.340
is refined is a different blend, so it costs more.
1820
01:33:55.460 --> 01:33:59.079
We're having two refineries, not six, just like some people report,
1821
01:33:59.619 --> 01:34:02.739
are closing down. One is, I'm not sure what the
1822
01:34:02.939 --> 01:34:05.210
full reason why that is closing down, but the other
1823
01:34:05.310 --> 01:34:07.029
one is because they've actually.
1824
01:34:07.890 --> 01:34:09.289
violated.
1825
01:34:08.930 --> 01:34:12.229
The pollution standards they had to pay fine they wanted
1826
01:34:12.250 --> 01:34:16.670
to be pot fines and upgrades they said screw you
1827
01:34:16.710 --> 01:34:20.310
california and i've heard that they're able to write off
1828
01:34:20.329 --> 01:34:23.949
their closure and guess what we'll import gas but i
1829
01:34:23.989 --> 01:34:26.310
was coming from the bay area guess what the freeways
1830
01:34:26.369 --> 01:34:29.569
are full you know so go figure they know that
1831
01:34:29.949 --> 01:34:33.470
they know that there's going to be you know customers
1832
01:34:33.850 --> 01:34:35.680
so They're fine.
1833
01:34:35.699 --> 01:34:36.859
They're making plenty of profit.
1834
01:34:36.899 --> 01:34:41.550
But it is more expensive. Housing is more expensive. And
1835
01:34:41.590 --> 01:34:46.680
the gas pumps are more expensive. Those are definitely, yeah,
1836
01:34:46.859 --> 01:34:47.899
other places are cheaper.
1837
01:34:48.590 --> 01:34:51.590
Yeah, and I mean, look, there are national taxes on
1838
01:34:51.630 --> 01:34:55.369
gasoline that account for part of the– this is why
1839
01:34:55.409 --> 01:34:59.789
you see nine-tenths on your price every sign, okay? Because
1840
01:34:59.890 --> 01:35:04.409
two different taxes that are federal come together and make
1841
01:35:04.479 --> 01:35:07.819
nine-tenths of a penny because these things are done by
1842
01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:11.199
the cent and the percent of the cent, no kidding,
1843
01:35:11.260 --> 01:35:11.800
per gallon.
1844
01:35:12.369 --> 01:35:12.670
All right.
1845
01:35:12.689 --> 01:35:14.550
So two of them come together to make nine tenths
1846
01:35:14.590 --> 01:35:16.560
of a penny. That's why there's nine tenths on every
1847
01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:20.460
gas sign, because that cost is passed directly along to you,
1848
01:35:20.579 --> 01:35:26.149
the consumer. OK, now just saying the oil companies have
1849
01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:30.210
functioned in a way that upward pressure, as long as
1850
01:35:30.250 --> 01:35:33.680
it is tolerated in the market, they move upward. It
1851
01:35:33.739 --> 01:35:36.880
doesn't matter about who's at war. It doesn't matter about
1852
01:35:36.899 --> 01:35:39.680
what the real supply level is. I mean, I'll point
1853
01:35:39.800 --> 01:35:42.319
once again to the time when we had a negative
1854
01:35:42.539 --> 01:35:48.000
oil future price, okay, which makes zero sense. But it
1855
01:35:48.060 --> 01:35:51.479
does when you consider the way that they're functioning and
1856
01:35:51.680 --> 01:35:55.439
the actual profit margin they're functioning under. Your local gas
1857
01:35:55.460 --> 01:36:00.659
station is not functioning this way. The oil companies are. Anyway,
1858
01:36:01.560 --> 01:36:03.079
Let's put that aside for a minute and get a
1859
01:36:03.100 --> 01:36:05.100
report from the middle of the country. If Jimmy wants
1860
01:36:05.140 --> 01:36:07.199
to join into it or God help us all, we
1861
01:36:07.239 --> 01:36:10.289
might get a new wild kingdom, which, uh, I got
1862
01:36:10.329 --> 01:36:13.329
some feedback on this week and, uh, want to tell you,
1863
01:36:13.369 --> 01:36:17.630
people are very pleased with Jimmy's animal stories or as
1864
01:36:17.710 --> 01:36:20.689
I called it, Jimmy's wild kingdom. Uh, and it's not
1865
01:36:20.750 --> 01:36:24.550
even a show yet and they're already happy with it. So, uh, Jimmy,
1866
01:36:25.010 --> 01:36:26.229
I don't know, maybe you're going to get a new
1867
01:36:26.270 --> 01:36:28.329
fan club started. Let's get you on air though. You
1868
01:36:28.350 --> 01:36:32.539
waited long enough. Um, There you go, sir. How are you?
1869
01:36:32.739 --> 01:36:34.100
And go ahead. What's on your mind?
1870
01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:42.659
Oh, Jimmy.
1871
01:36:44.779 --> 01:36:51.689
Oh, I know. I'm hearing my own feedback. Are you there, sir? Oh, crap.
1872
01:36:51.810 --> 01:36:54.060
All right. BP, he's in that state again where he's
1873
01:36:54.100 --> 01:36:56.630
like real super low and I could barely hear him
1874
01:36:57.510 --> 01:37:01.800
in my cranked up earphones. Jimmy might have to call back.
1875
01:37:02.020 --> 01:37:02.560
All right, go ahead.
1876
01:37:02.619 --> 01:37:03.560
I can't hear him at all.
1877
01:37:03.699 --> 01:37:05.569
Yeah, and I know you couldn't because you don't have
1878
01:37:05.630 --> 01:37:08.510
the monitor that I do. Sorry, but he was real
1879
01:37:08.590 --> 01:37:11.369
super low. I doubt any listener heard him, but I
1880
01:37:11.430 --> 01:37:14.350
did because despite one ear being damaged, I got one
1881
01:37:14.390 --> 01:37:18.029
really good ear still. So let's see. Okay, maybe Jimmy
1882
01:37:18.069 --> 01:37:20.449
has called back in. Let's see.
1883
01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:21.029
Jimmy.
1884
01:37:22.890 --> 01:37:25.550
There you are. There you are. Now we can hear
1885
01:37:25.590 --> 01:37:28.109
you now, Mr. Verizon guy. Sorry. Uh, I want to
1886
01:37:28.149 --> 01:37:29.869
know what was on your mind and if you want
1887
01:37:29.890 --> 01:37:32.409
to join in or did you hear everything I said
1888
01:37:32.449 --> 01:37:33.760
about the wild kingdom reports?
1889
01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:37.359
I've heard everything.
1890
01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:38.300
Okay, great.
1891
01:37:38.359 --> 01:37:38.600
Great.
1892
01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:41.439
So go ahead. Floor is yours.
1893
01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:43.340
I'll come up with more of those.
1894
01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:44.739
No problem.
1895
01:37:45.149 --> 01:37:46.409
Uh, yeah, something.
1896
01:37:46.130 --> 01:37:52.710
Important has come up, uh, BP, Danny, do you remember
1897
01:37:52.770 --> 01:37:55.840
that cool in the gang, that song, Celebrate?
1898
01:37:57.319 --> 01:37:58.359
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
1899
01:37:58.380 --> 01:37:59.199
I remember it.
1900
01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:05.920
Cool, spelled with a K. Now, during that video, you know,
1901
01:38:05.979 --> 01:38:09.800
they got that, they just go to this guy, this
1902
01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:12.720
black guy with like a jerry curl, and he's just
1903
01:38:12.760 --> 01:38:17.729
standing there, and he's, yeah, there's a party going on
1904
01:38:17.869 --> 01:38:18.829
over here.
1905
01:38:19.250 --> 01:38:19.630
That's it.
1906
01:38:20.750 --> 01:38:21.609
Who is that guy?
1907
01:38:21.630 --> 01:38:23.189
Is that Cool?
1908
01:38:24.180 --> 01:38:24.920
Who's that dude?
1909
01:38:25.939 --> 01:38:28.109
You know what's funny? I should know this, Jimmy, because
1910
01:38:28.170 --> 01:38:31.449
Cool and the gang is from Jersey. And I should
1911
01:38:31.489 --> 01:38:34.239
know this. But I don't. I don't know who that
1912
01:38:34.300 --> 01:38:36.720
is in that video. Let me put Danny on, see
1913
01:38:36.760 --> 01:38:39.699
if he knows. Danny, do you know who the guy
1914
01:38:39.720 --> 01:38:41.479
in the Cool and the Gang video with the jerry
1915
01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:42.600
curl is? Because I don't.
1916
01:38:44.380 --> 01:38:48.470
I do not know, but I'll tell you what.
1917
01:38:48.710 --> 01:38:52.210
I worked for Electronic Retail, and we had one of
1918
01:38:52.270 --> 01:38:57.069
those laser discs of Kool and the Gang, and they became,
1919
01:38:57.529 --> 01:39:01.300
them and Cameo became my two favorite R & B groups.
1920
01:39:01.399 --> 01:39:06.619
Kool and the Gang's amazing. They're really, really a talented group. No,
1921
01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:09.779
I don't know. But that's a good question. So you
1922
01:39:09.819 --> 01:39:11.819
have Kool and the Gang. They're great.
1923
01:39:12.689 --> 01:39:14.869
Yes, they are. If you ever catch any of my
1924
01:39:14.909 --> 01:39:17.670
short attention span DJ theaters, every once in a while,
1925
01:39:17.729 --> 01:39:21.369
you'll hear a little, you know, jungle boogie kick in there, too,
1926
01:39:21.390 --> 01:39:24.409
because I love that song. I do love that song
1927
01:39:24.449 --> 01:39:26.960
for some reason. I think it reminds me of my
1928
01:39:27.039 --> 01:39:30.180
early childhood. Sorry.
1929
01:39:35.500 --> 01:39:38.279
And speaking of the R & B of that time is,
1930
01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:40.960
you know, remember Kanyo's song, Candy?
1931
01:39:42.899 --> 01:39:45.840
Oh, is that that song? I want candy. That one?
1932
01:39:46.399 --> 01:39:48.579
No, no, no. No. OK.
1933
01:39:48.939 --> 01:39:51.420
He kind of talks and it sings in a nasally voice.
1934
01:39:51.460 --> 01:39:54.619
But the video is hilarious because he's kind of dancing
1935
01:39:54.659 --> 01:39:57.689
around there and he's wearing like on the outside of
1936
01:39:57.750 --> 01:40:01.369
his leather pants. It's like that red baseball cup.
1937
01:40:01.689 --> 01:40:07.489
It's a lawyer. It's a lawyer. It's right there. It's cameos, candy.
1938
01:40:07.850 --> 01:40:11.109
Okay. You know what? I might have missed that one
1939
01:40:11.130 --> 01:40:12.949
because the only candy songs I remember.
1940
01:40:13.560 --> 01:40:14.979
It's got a very catchy beat.
1941
01:40:15.850 --> 01:40:18.590
You know what? I'd probably recognize it if I heard it. Oh,
1942
01:40:18.649 --> 01:40:19.649
you will. You will.
1943
01:40:19.729 --> 01:40:21.600
It's got a distinct bass to it.
1944
01:40:21.859 --> 01:40:22.159
Cool.
1945
01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:25.000
Yeah, it's great.
1946
01:40:25.100 --> 01:40:27.100
Two songs that come to mind when you say candy
1947
01:40:27.300 --> 01:40:30.279
is that one. You know, the I Want Candy, Annoying
1948
01:40:30.300 --> 01:40:33.850
Annie song. And I found that song highly annoying. But
1949
01:40:33.890 --> 01:40:37.189
the other one that I kind of found oddly, creepily
1950
01:40:37.489 --> 01:40:41.949
interesting was... I smell sex and candy.
1951
01:40:42.390 --> 01:40:46.090
Yeah, that was Marcy's Playground.
1952
01:40:46.229 --> 01:40:47.729
There you go, Marcy's Playground.
1953
01:40:48.609 --> 01:40:51.550
Yeah, Marcy's Playground. They were a one-hit wonder, I think.
1954
01:40:51.609 --> 01:40:56.140
But Cameo had a few hits. But Kool and the Gang,
1955
01:40:56.149 --> 01:40:57.380
they've got a great playlist.
1956
01:40:58.239 --> 01:40:59.920
Oh, no, that's awesome stuff, yeah.
1957
01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:01.460
If I want some R & B, I go to
1958
01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:03.260
Kool and the Gang, Earth, Wind, and Fire.
1959
01:41:04.699 --> 01:41:05.899
Earth, Wind, and Fire.
1960
01:41:06.279 --> 01:41:06.560
Yeah.
1961
01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:09.279
That's right.
1962
01:41:09.380 --> 01:41:11.880
Earth, Wind & Fire. These are groups I don't often
1963
01:41:11.939 --> 01:41:15.359
think of anymore, but yeah. Earth, Wind & Fire.
1964
01:41:15.380 --> 01:41:16.399
It's got some good music.
1965
01:41:16.699 --> 01:41:21.050
Yeah, definitely. But Cool in the Gang was unique to
1966
01:41:21.090 --> 01:41:26.060
me because it just always had an uplifting flow to it.
1967
01:41:26.289 --> 01:41:29.090
You know what I mean? And it wasn't like that
1968
01:41:29.189 --> 01:41:33.699
crappy mass-produced disco stuff that came out after, even though
1969
01:41:33.720 --> 01:41:34.859
it got all mixed in with it.
1970
01:41:36.020 --> 01:41:36.199
Sure.
1971
01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:38.430
You know, to me, that was like it was more
1972
01:41:38.470 --> 01:41:41.989
like funk stuff. Like, you know, I could play that
1973
01:41:42.050 --> 01:41:45.210
along with with James Brown or, you know, even Parliament
1974
01:41:45.250 --> 01:41:47.050
Funkadelic or. Yeah.
1975
01:41:47.090 --> 01:41:49.079
Yeah. Collins. Yeah. Bootsy.
1976
01:41:49.159 --> 01:41:49.420
Right.
1977
01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:54.220
Exactly. That kind of stuff. All of that. OK. And yeah,
1978
01:41:54.300 --> 01:41:56.079
I would go for all that. I mean, even even
1979
01:41:56.199 --> 01:42:00.180
early Rick James, to be honest with you. All really
1980
01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:04.100
interesting stuff and experimental in its own way. And I
1981
01:42:04.140 --> 01:42:06.060
bet you nobody expects me to say this kind of stuff.
1982
01:42:06.619 --> 01:42:12.300
But I enjoyed that stuff. That was like I kind
1983
01:42:12.340 --> 01:42:15.399
of like had two different competing musical sounds in my
1984
01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:19.090
home when I was very little. And one of them
1985
01:42:19.130 --> 01:42:21.829
was definitely the heavy metal, hard rock stuff, which dictated
1986
01:42:21.869 --> 01:42:24.350
a lot of my life. But, you know, that I
1987
01:42:24.390 --> 01:42:28.220
could perform. I could never do Bootsy Collins, man. There
1988
01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:31.100
was no way. I mean, I could I could play
1989
01:42:31.140 --> 01:42:34.779
geezer Butler stuff, but I could not do Bootsy. And
1990
01:42:34.819 --> 01:42:37.890
there's only and there's only one James Brown. I don't
1991
01:42:37.899 --> 01:42:40.630
give a damn what anybody says. And I know he's crazy.
1992
01:42:41.210 --> 01:42:43.270
And you know what? The one one of my favorite
1993
01:42:43.289 --> 01:42:45.510
things on the Internet to watch every now and then,
1994
01:42:45.569 --> 01:42:47.909
like one of my guilty little I have to watch
1995
01:42:47.949 --> 01:42:50.449
it every now and then just to feel normal. Is
1996
01:42:50.470 --> 01:42:52.350
you ever see when James Brown went on like a
1997
01:42:52.630 --> 01:42:56.810
satellite feed on CNN? And he starts talking to the
1998
01:42:56.850 --> 01:43:00.670
reporter that's asking him questions, and he's making, like, absolutely
1999
01:43:00.729 --> 01:43:07.060
no sense. And it's like, James, so you have anything
2000
01:43:07.100 --> 01:43:10.359
to say about the recent charges? You were actually arrested
2001
01:43:10.420 --> 01:43:14.619
for assault and this and that. Well, I feel good. Like,
2002
01:43:14.659 --> 01:43:17.800
he just said stuff like that. And it was like,
2003
01:43:18.359 --> 01:43:20.699
all I can think of is Rick James going, cocaine
2004
01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:21.560
is a hell of a drug.
2005
01:43:21.579 --> 01:43:22.319
Yeah.
2006
01:43:24.670 --> 01:43:26.890
And you watch that. I mean, I love James all
2007
01:43:26.930 --> 01:43:30.670
the way around. Like unique is, is all I could
2008
01:43:30.729 --> 01:43:33.770
say about it. But, um, you know, and even when
2009
01:43:33.810 --> 01:43:36.710
he did the soundtrack to Dr. Detroit, remember that with
2010
01:43:36.729 --> 01:43:43.130
the Dan Aykroyd movie, that goofy ass movie, that thing
2011
01:43:43.189 --> 01:43:50.439
was hilarious. And James Brown, Dr. Detroit. Oh my God.
2012
01:43:51.510 --> 01:43:54.310
James Brown is a staple in American culture, whether you
2013
01:43:54.329 --> 01:43:56.569
like it or not. And I mean, even if you
2014
01:43:56.590 --> 01:43:58.710
don't like any of that, how about this? He's in
2015
01:43:58.750 --> 01:44:01.390
that Rocky movie, too, where Apollo Creed gets killed, right?
2016
01:44:02.029 --> 01:44:10.359
Living in America. Oh, man. Anyway, I noticed BP's being quiet.
2017
01:44:14.479 --> 01:44:15.560
No, I'm searching.
2018
01:44:15.739 --> 01:44:19.149
I'm going through the celebration video right now so I
2019
01:44:19.189 --> 01:44:21.489
can see who it is that Jimmy James is talking
2020
01:44:21.529 --> 01:44:24.369
about so I can tell him which band member it is.
2021
01:44:24.529 --> 01:44:26.630
Oh, I was hoping you would get an AI answer
2022
01:44:26.729 --> 01:44:28.710
because I can't, I don't know.
2023
01:44:29.850 --> 01:44:33.949
Well, he described him as having curls, but none of
2024
01:44:33.970 --> 01:44:37.590
these guys, they all got froze or short hair.
2025
01:44:39.170 --> 01:44:42.010
No, but there is. I know what he's talking about, though.
2026
01:44:42.050 --> 01:44:45.409
There is a dude with like a tight jerry curl.
2027
01:44:45.449 --> 01:44:47.770
And I think Jimmy's back on the line. But there
2028
01:44:47.829 --> 01:44:49.989
is a dude with a jerry curl in that video
2029
01:44:50.029 --> 01:44:52.649
that pops up. And, you know, the whole there's a
2030
01:44:52.689 --> 01:44:56.229
party going on over here, which they put into the
2031
01:44:56.270 --> 01:44:58.609
mouth of a couple of cartoon characters a few years ago.
2032
01:44:58.670 --> 01:45:04.289
Just that phrase. And I know that became like, what
2033
01:45:04.310 --> 01:45:08.569
would you call that? Like a piece of slang. That
2034
01:45:08.689 --> 01:45:14.300
meant something at one point in urban culture. But I
2035
01:45:14.350 --> 01:45:16.720
can't think, and I can picture what he's talking about,
2036
01:45:16.779 --> 01:45:19.579
and I can't picture who the guy is. Anyway, let's
2037
01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:22.180
see if we can hear more from Jimmy. Because he's
2038
01:45:22.239 --> 01:45:24.460
back on the line. I got Danny still open. Jimmy,
2039
01:45:25.310 --> 01:45:28.010
we're trying to find out. We're doing an investigation here,
2040
01:45:28.050 --> 01:45:30.149
BP searching to find out who the guy with the
2041
01:45:30.170 --> 01:45:30.909
jerry curl is.
2042
01:45:30.930 --> 01:45:34.909
I can't believe he hasn't noticed him yet.
2043
01:45:36.500 --> 01:45:38.470
I know I noticed him. I just don't know who
2044
01:45:38.479 --> 01:45:40.590
he is. BP is trying to figure it out and
2045
01:45:40.630 --> 01:45:44.050
he can't find him. And Danny, what did you say?
2046
01:45:44.090 --> 01:45:45.970
Did you do you remember the guy he's talking about
2047
01:45:46.010 --> 01:45:46.449
with the Jerry?
2048
01:45:46.529 --> 01:45:48.659
I do remember the guy because they there was a
2049
01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:53.180
late laser video. This was electronic store. I worked at
2050
01:45:53.720 --> 01:45:56.600
the salesman there a long time ago. And it was
2051
01:45:56.659 --> 01:46:01.319
a laser video of a very nicely produced Kool &
2052
01:46:01.319 --> 01:46:04.420
Gang concert. That's when it became really big fan because
2053
01:46:04.439 --> 01:46:07.039
it was just a great show, great music, and the
2054
01:46:07.060 --> 01:46:07.880
quality was great.
2055
01:46:08.319 --> 01:46:10.979
But also, too, do you remember prior to that, do
2056
01:46:11.380 --> 01:46:15.039
you remember Kool & Gang being a Schlitz malt liquor commercial,
2057
01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:15.939
beer commercial?
2058
01:46:17.300 --> 01:46:19.260
I remember them doing a malt liquor. I didn't remember
2059
01:46:19.279 --> 01:46:20.609
it was Schlitz, but I believe you.
2060
01:46:20.720 --> 01:46:23.659
It was Schlitz malt liquor. Yeah, I remember that it
2061
01:46:23.680 --> 01:46:24.420
was Kool & Gang.
2062
01:46:25.729 --> 01:46:28.260
Well, you know what it was? Billy Dee had Colt
2063
01:46:28.260 --> 01:46:32.800
45 taken. So, you know, and what are you going
2064
01:46:32.819 --> 01:46:35.020
to do with the only black man in Star Wars?
2065
01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:39.500
I mean, it's just, you know, it's Billy Dee Williams.
2066
01:46:41.500 --> 01:46:44.739
I think Colt 45 was the second beer I ever drank.
2067
01:46:44.819 --> 01:46:49.609
I remember the first beer I drank was Olympia from Water, Washington.
2068
01:46:50.069 --> 01:46:51.989
I used to sneak it from my office when I
2069
01:46:51.989 --> 01:46:52.609
was a little kid.
2070
01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:55.560
That's because they wouldn't stop you if you tried to
2071
01:46:55.600 --> 01:46:56.020
steal it.
2072
01:46:59.020 --> 01:46:59.279
Yeah.
2073
01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:05.630
It was one step above peels. Peels, beer. Oh, my God.
2074
01:47:05.649 --> 01:47:09.689
Talk about awful. Anyways, Jimmy, we're working on it, man.
2075
01:47:09.729 --> 01:47:12.210
We're trying to sort it out. But between the three
2076
01:47:12.250 --> 01:47:14.390
of us, nobody's got the answer for this guy yet.
2077
01:47:14.710 --> 01:47:18.350
I'm three quarters of the way through this music video,
2078
01:47:18.529 --> 01:47:21.189
and there's nobody with Jerry Curls.
2079
01:47:23.010 --> 01:47:26.989
The party over here part. Maybe you can do a
2080
01:47:27.130 --> 01:47:33.449
search on the lyrics and find it that way. Anyways, Jimmy,
2081
01:47:34.119 --> 01:47:37.399
what a stumper, man. You know what? You'd be like
2082
01:47:37.420 --> 01:47:39.960
the worst guy to call up or stump the host.
2083
01:47:41.380 --> 01:47:43.659
Because you always come up with stuff where it's like, damn,
2084
01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:45.649
I got to look it up now. Or I got
2085
01:47:45.670 --> 01:47:47.270
to have BP look it up or something.
2086
01:47:47.289 --> 01:47:47.949
Okay.
2087
01:47:49.489 --> 01:47:50.100
You kill me, man.
2088
01:47:50.140 --> 01:47:53.000
Well, I'm going back to the beginning of the video.
2089
01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:57.220
Okay. How far in... Jimmy, how far in would you
2090
01:47:57.260 --> 01:47:59.859
say it is? Just generally.
2091
01:48:02.899 --> 01:48:03.859
I have no idea.
2092
01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:06.270
Oh, crap. Okay. Well, neither do I, so.
2093
01:48:06.279 --> 01:48:07.279
Well, here's what I've done.
2094
01:48:07.359 --> 01:48:09.609
I can't play this with the volume up because you're
2095
01:48:09.630 --> 01:48:11.890
going to be hearing it, but I've got the closed
2096
01:48:11.930 --> 01:48:15.970
captioning on. And at the beginning of the song, it.
2097
01:48:15.949 --> 01:48:18.470
Says, this is your celebration....
2098
01:48:18.909 --> 01:48:19.520
Can you draw?
2099
01:48:20.100 --> 01:48:23.729
Horns and then Yahoo and then right. Can you drop
2100
01:48:23.750 --> 01:48:25.770
your celebration? And that's the lead singer.
2101
01:48:26.050 --> 01:48:29.489
OK, can you drop the link to me in teams
2102
01:48:29.550 --> 01:48:31.090
and I'll look at it, too, and see if I
2103
01:48:31.130 --> 01:48:32.029
can help you find it?
2104
01:48:32.350 --> 01:48:35.149
No, because I'm on this on my computer and teams
2105
01:48:35.189 --> 01:48:35.979
is on my phone.
2106
01:48:36.180 --> 01:48:38.539
OK, sorry. All right. Well, can't do that right now.
2107
01:48:39.140 --> 01:48:41.399
But oh, can you drop it in the chat room?
2108
01:48:41.420 --> 01:48:43.100
How about that? I'll go into the chat room and
2109
01:48:43.119 --> 01:48:43.359
get it.
2110
01:48:46.659 --> 01:48:48.380
Hold on. Let me go back to the chat room.
2111
01:48:48.479 --> 01:48:51.180
Let's try and solve this mystery for Jimmy. He deserves it.
2112
01:48:51.229 --> 01:48:52.520
We should be able to solve this for him.
2113
01:48:52.909 --> 01:48:55.630
Well, I don't see everybody's got either a tight fro
2114
01:48:55.729 --> 01:48:56.500
or shorter hair.
2115
01:48:56.539 --> 01:49:00.779
There's nobody with curls. You sure? I don't know which
2116
01:49:00.859 --> 01:49:03.239
version he's watched, but this is them.
2117
01:49:03.260 --> 01:49:07.619
Ah, that's crazy talk. There's a black man wearing purple
2118
01:49:07.739 --> 01:49:12.479
clothes that shine with a jerry curl and facial hair.
2119
01:49:12.500 --> 01:49:16.520
Which video are you watching? Because I'm watching a live version.
2120
01:49:17.380 --> 01:49:21.729
Almost explicitly far as I remember is, yeah, there's a
2121
01:49:21.819 --> 01:49:24.270
body going on here.
2122
01:49:24.949 --> 01:49:25.680
And then that's it.
2123
01:49:27.319 --> 01:49:31.029
Well, then I've got the official music video for the song,
2124
01:49:31.090 --> 01:49:32.430
and there's nobody wearing purple.
2125
01:49:33.029 --> 01:49:33.310
All right.
2126
01:49:33.550 --> 01:49:36.369
Let me see what I can do here. I'll go
2127
01:49:36.470 --> 01:49:38.789
on YouTube and search myself. But if you can drop
2128
01:49:38.810 --> 01:49:40.729
the link to what you're looking at, I'll look at that,
2129
01:49:40.770 --> 01:49:43.729
and I'll also look at YouTube. Because I might be
2130
01:49:43.770 --> 01:49:45.189
able to find it on there. Let me see.
2131
01:49:45.210 --> 01:49:50.539
All right. I just put the video in the room.
2132
01:49:52.789 --> 01:49:55.840
Actually, let me go back and find another version and
2133
01:49:55.880 --> 01:49:57.920
see if it was on Soul Train or something. But
2134
01:49:57.939 --> 01:50:00.439
the official music video, ain't nobody wearing purple.
2135
01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:04.460
Ain't nobody got. All right.
2136
01:50:04.680 --> 01:50:07.079
I see. Actually, I do see the first thing that
2137
01:50:07.119 --> 01:50:09.760
comes up for me is something that was obviously filmed
2138
01:50:09.819 --> 01:50:15.390
on Soul Train. So I don't know. Let's see. Cooling
2139
01:50:15.409 --> 01:50:19.600
the Gang Celebration official video. All right, let me get
2140
01:50:19.659 --> 01:50:21.680
this and try and kill the sound quick before it
2141
01:50:21.779 --> 01:50:22.239
comes in.
2142
01:50:22.899 --> 01:50:25.539
Yeah, the official video is what I put in the room.
2143
01:50:26.140 --> 01:50:29.880
Okay, so let's go back to the room, grab that.
2144
01:50:32.199 --> 01:50:34.800
Let's see if we can go to that link. Okay,
2145
01:50:34.819 --> 01:50:37.840
that appears to be the Soul Train background, but let
2146
01:50:37.859 --> 01:50:39.939
me see what this is going on over here on
2147
01:50:39.979 --> 01:50:43.619
this video. All right, now you're saying he's wearing purple, Jimmy?
2148
01:50:43.649 --> 01:50:43.710
Yes.
2149
01:50:45.630 --> 01:50:49.369
That's my remembrance yeah check out that Soul Train video
2150
01:50:49.529 --> 01:50:52.710
it's probably even older than the so called real video
2151
01:50:52.750 --> 01:50:56.550
since there wasn't even an MTV when they made that song.
2152
01:50:56.529 --> 01:50:59.109
Alright well on the Soul Train ok but on the
2153
01:50:59.149 --> 01:51:02.680
Soul Train video right there is a guy in white
2154
01:51:02.760 --> 01:51:04.819
there's a guy in orange there's a guy in red
2155
01:51:04.840 --> 01:51:11.060
let's see it's not the drummer he's got an open
2156
01:51:11.100 --> 01:51:14.449
shirt and a medallion too but different one Let's see.
2157
01:51:14.869 --> 01:51:18.409
The lead singer has a fairly puffed-out fro, and he's
2158
01:51:18.470 --> 01:51:23.920
definitely with the red shirt. Bass player's wearing a bowler.
2159
01:51:24.180 --> 01:51:28.479
I only remember one of them being black and crying
2160
01:51:28.640 --> 01:51:29.180
out loud.
2161
01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:32.310
Dude, they're all black. They're all black.
2162
01:51:33.770 --> 01:51:35.229
The whole band is black.
2163
01:51:35.369 --> 01:51:36.670
The whole band is black, Jimmy.
2164
01:51:39.199 --> 01:51:42.260
Well, I guess it depends which show you see.
2165
01:51:42.300 --> 01:51:45.340
Hold on. Hold on. Wait, this might be the video.
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01:51:45.399 --> 01:51:47.020
I see someone in purple.
2167
01:51:48.380 --> 01:51:50.369
Oh, okay. Can you give me.
2168
01:51:51.890 --> 01:51:52.189
A link?
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01:51:52.210 --> 01:51:57.489
Let me let it play. It's some live performance. It's
2170
01:51:57.529 --> 01:52:00.529
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2024 induction. The
2171
01:52:00.569 --> 01:52:04.300
bass player is wearing a purple shirt. Not a Daisiki shirt,
2172
01:52:04.399 --> 01:52:05.439
but something similar.
2173
01:52:05.460 --> 01:52:10.399
All right. My bass player has an open-to-his-navel freaking white
2174
01:52:10.439 --> 01:52:10.859
shirt on.
2175
01:52:11.300 --> 01:52:13.939
But the guy in purple has got short hair. I mean,
2176
01:52:14.010 --> 01:52:16.489
it's not even a half inch long. It's not curls.
2177
01:52:17.140 --> 01:52:19.460
Yeah, but, you know, might have changed somewhere. Let's see.
2178
01:52:19.479 --> 01:52:22.060
I don't see nobody with curls here either. I see
2179
01:52:22.180 --> 01:52:26.600
like slightly puffy froze, you know, that light bulb look
2180
01:52:28.970 --> 01:52:30.970
and short stuff and a couple of guys wearing hats
2181
01:52:31.069 --> 01:52:34.350
actually on the soul training video. So let's see. Where's
2182
01:52:34.390 --> 01:52:41.130
the other one at? It's got to... You know what?
2183
01:52:41.270 --> 01:52:43.649
If Jimmy saw it, it happened, but I don't know
2184
01:52:43.670 --> 01:52:46.189
where it happened. Did it happen on MTV? Did it
2185
01:52:46.229 --> 01:52:50.130
happen at Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
2186
01:52:50.229 --> 01:52:52.890
I don't know. Well, none of them had curls in
2187
01:52:52.909 --> 01:52:53.489
that one either.
2188
01:52:54.109 --> 01:52:58.579
Okay. I'm sure it happened, Jimmy. I'm just trying to
2189
01:52:58.600 --> 01:52:58.899
find out.
2190
01:52:58.920 --> 01:53:00.619
Jerry Curls was a set time frame.
2191
01:53:00.819 --> 01:53:01.500
I mean, that was.
2192
01:53:01.920 --> 01:53:05.539
You don't... You know, their Rock and Roll induction was
2193
01:53:05.619 --> 01:53:05.810
in 2024, so.
2194
01:53:08.619 --> 01:53:11.840
Well, that should have been. Yeah. Okay. So Jerry curls,
2195
01:53:12.100 --> 01:53:17.920
as far as I remember was something that was mid eighties, uh,
2196
01:53:18.140 --> 01:53:24.689
mainly mid eighties, big time. Um, and like say starting
2197
01:53:24.750 --> 01:53:30.350
in 82 or 83 and going on until about 89 almost. Uh,
2198
01:53:30.430 --> 01:53:32.470
so like the, the whole, like not that the very
2199
01:53:32.510 --> 01:53:34.489
beginning and not at the very end of the decade,
2200
01:53:34.710 --> 01:53:38.229
it was gone. Um, But but in between there for
2201
01:53:38.250 --> 01:53:41.449
the bulk of the decade, Jerry Curls was happening. Matter
2202
01:53:41.489 --> 01:53:43.289
of fact, if you remember, that was the whole thing
2203
01:53:43.329 --> 01:53:49.220
about Soul Glow on the Coming to America movie. You know,
2204
01:53:49.279 --> 01:53:52.000
the whole family's like he's the prince of Soul Glow.
2205
01:53:52.439 --> 01:53:55.199
And they all had wet heads with the activator juice
2206
01:53:55.279 --> 01:53:59.829
that they kept spraying on them. I mean, that was
2207
01:53:59.869 --> 01:54:01.609
the height of Jerry Curl.
2208
01:54:02.609 --> 01:54:04.930
Yeah, I'm going to have to hit AI now because
2209
01:54:05.010 --> 01:54:08.710
I've been through six videos, seven videos of live performances,
2210
01:54:08.789 --> 01:54:11.949
and nobody's got curls, and only one guy was wearing
2211
01:54:11.989 --> 01:54:12.770
a purple shirt.
2212
01:54:14.069 --> 01:54:16.880
So far, I got a lot of the puffy head look,
2213
01:54:17.399 --> 01:54:22.739
like that light bulb-sized, oversized afro. It's not gigantic, but
2214
01:54:22.779 --> 01:54:26.739
it's bigger than his head for sure. Kind of afros,
2215
01:54:26.779 --> 01:54:31.270
that's what I'm seeing. And hats, too. So I'm not
2216
01:54:31.310 --> 01:54:32.250
getting the right thing either.
2217
01:54:32.270 --> 01:54:41.479
Well, if you take Arnold Jackson's little afro and then, like,
2218
01:54:41.539 --> 01:54:44.020
greased it down, isn't that a jerry curl?
2219
01:54:44.039 --> 01:54:45.399
Because that's pretty much what.
2220
01:54:45.260 --> 01:54:46.539
That guy had going on.
2221
01:54:46.619 --> 01:54:49.829
Well, no, it's not just grease. It's, like, it's activator.
2222
01:54:50.850 --> 01:54:51.090
Right.
2223
01:54:51.210 --> 01:54:53.789
Which is this stuff that keeps it wet. And so
2224
01:54:53.829 --> 01:54:56.890
it looks wet. It's sort of like remember Michael Jackson
2225
01:54:56.989 --> 01:54:59.800
in the early videos, like for Thriller and Beat It
2226
01:54:59.859 --> 01:55:00.640
and stuff like that.
2227
01:55:02.579 --> 01:55:04.760
Yeah, that's kind of how I picture it, dude.
2228
01:55:04.819 --> 01:55:07.680
So that's OK. Well, that's like a jerry curl. But,
2229
01:55:07.939 --> 01:55:10.560
you know, Michael had the high end jerry curl kind
2230
01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:10.819
of thing.
2231
01:55:13.609 --> 01:55:16.710
Is that what made him catch fire in that Pepsi commercial?
2232
01:55:17.670 --> 01:55:22.550
No, that was a misfired pyrotechnic that went sideways instead
2233
01:55:22.569 --> 01:55:23.069
of upwards.
2234
01:55:24.409 --> 01:55:28.560
Did I tell you about going to Hard Rock in Manhattan?
2235
01:55:29.380 --> 01:55:30.340
No, I don't remember that.
2236
01:55:30.989 --> 01:55:32.670
All right. Well, you know, the thing with Hard Rock
2237
01:55:32.689 --> 01:55:33.850
Cafe is they.
2238
01:55:33.710 --> 01:55:37.489
Have a lot of guitars and instruments and sheet music.
2239
01:55:37.550 --> 01:55:39.930
And all this stuff is displayed on the wall. You know,
2240
01:55:39.989 --> 01:55:43.770
they've got famous guitars that have been autographed. And so
2241
01:55:43.810 --> 01:55:44.409
we're sitting there.
2242
01:55:44.449 --> 01:55:44.949
We're kind of.
2243
01:55:45.010 --> 01:55:48.229
Over in the corner on the second floor. And I'm
2244
01:55:48.270 --> 01:55:49.979
waiting for them to bring us our food.
2245
01:55:50.609 --> 01:55:51.189
And I look.
2246
01:55:51.810 --> 01:55:55.399
And there's like a gold album that's been framed, and
2247
01:55:55.439 --> 01:55:59.800
I forgot whose it was. But next to that is
2248
01:55:59.880 --> 01:56:03.659
where the mandated fire extinguisher hung on the wall.
2249
01:56:04.380 --> 01:56:05.859
And somebody had taken.
2250
01:56:05.579 --> 01:56:09.899
A Sharpie, and on the bottom– Like the bottom third
2251
01:56:10.020 --> 01:56:13.489
of the fire extinguisher wrote, this is the fire extinguisher
2252
01:56:13.529 --> 01:56:16.189
that was used to put out Michael Jackson's hair during
2253
01:56:16.210 --> 01:56:17.989
the filming of a Pepsi commercial.
2254
01:56:18.069 --> 01:56:22.890
And they had the year. That's somebody being creative.
2255
01:56:24.170 --> 01:56:26.760
That's that is funny. Wait a minute. I have found
2256
01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:33.180
a guy with a purple shirt doing celebration in 1987,
2257
01:56:33.180 --> 01:56:36.500
which would make sense for Jerry Carl. Hold on. Let's
2258
01:56:36.539 --> 01:56:37.399
see if I got this.
2259
01:56:39.300 --> 01:56:41.039
Freaking is it the bass player.
2260
01:56:41.060 --> 01:56:43.420
No no it looked like there might be more than
2261
01:56:43.500 --> 01:56:45.600
one guy with a purple shirt on and it looked
2262
01:56:45.619 --> 01:56:51.270
like jerry lewis introduced him hold on 87 let's see
2263
01:56:51.430 --> 01:56:58.510
okay wow okay this is the muscular dystrophy telethon hold
2264
01:56:58.649 --> 01:57:06.380
on And indeed, there is a guy with a purple shirt. Okay, Jimmy,
2265
01:57:06.600 --> 01:57:09.460
purple and black, right? There's like black parts of the shirt, too,
2266
01:57:09.520 --> 01:57:10.239
not just purple?
2267
01:57:12.930 --> 01:57:15.270
Yeah. Okay.
2268
01:57:15.630 --> 01:57:19.350
I mean, I was mostly fascinated by the man's hairdo.
2269
01:57:19.890 --> 01:57:23.970
Okay, here it is. I got it. It is the
2270
01:57:24.020 --> 01:57:28.380
Muscular Dystrophy Association Telethon from 1987, where Kool and the
2271
01:57:28.399 --> 01:57:31.609
Gang performed Celebration. That is where the guy has a
2272
01:57:31.649 --> 01:57:34.930
purple hat on. And what I would characterize as a
2273
01:57:35.029 --> 01:57:38.029
very tight Jerry curl on the lead singer. There may
2274
01:57:38.069 --> 01:57:41.000
indeed be other Jerry curl wearing suckers in this, in
2275
01:57:41.039 --> 01:57:42.739
his band too. I'm checking.
2276
01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:44.199
Wait a minute.
2277
01:57:44.239 --> 01:57:46.279
The guy with the purple shirt has a hat on.
2278
01:57:46.619 --> 01:57:47.819
Nope. No hat.
2279
01:57:48.899 --> 01:57:50.800
I thought you said he had a hat on. No, no, no.
2280
01:57:50.880 --> 01:57:54.020
In the other, other videos, other videos. No, no hat.
2281
01:57:54.119 --> 01:57:57.189
There's black on his shirt along with the purple. Part
2282
01:57:57.229 --> 01:57:57.949
of the shirt is black.
2283
01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:04.229
Jimmy, can I ask why you were so bored in
2284
01:58:04.229 --> 01:58:08.890
1987 that you were watching the Muscular Dystrophy Telethon?
2285
01:58:08.949 --> 01:58:13.729
How dare you?
2286
01:58:13.770 --> 01:58:14.590
How dare you?
2287
01:58:14.649 --> 01:58:17.369
Man, that is one boring life.
2288
01:58:17.449 --> 01:58:19.380
He said, how dare you? Sorry.
2289
01:58:32.279 --> 01:58:34.159
Okay, in the chat room.
2290
01:58:35.409 --> 01:58:37.369
Sit around and watch paint dry.
2291
01:58:38.850 --> 01:58:44.109
Oh, my God. In the chat room. Oh, um, Hey,
2292
01:58:44.310 --> 01:58:48.750
one time when I was dating a Philadelphia, I was
2293
01:58:48.810 --> 01:58:54.029
dating a Philadelphia Eagle cheerleader in like 1991 briefly. And, uh,
2294
01:58:54.109 --> 01:58:57.949
she was on the local cutaways from the muscular dystrophy telethon.
2295
01:58:57.989 --> 01:59:00.010
And I barely watched that thing for a half hour
2296
01:59:00.069 --> 01:59:03.489
just to see her wave at me on TV. Uh, anyways,
2297
01:59:04.140 --> 01:59:04.840
here's the thing.
2298
01:59:04.850 --> 01:59:11.989
Uh, I can't help it. The NBA telethon.
2299
01:59:12.810 --> 01:59:15.930
Look at it, dude. The video's right there, though. He's right.
2300
01:59:16.090 --> 01:59:19.300
The jerry curl, but it's the muscular dystrophy telethon.
2301
01:59:19.359 --> 01:59:23.100
I found it. Good Lord. I don't know that I'd
2302
01:59:23.140 --> 01:59:25.180
admit to anybody that I watched that.
2303
01:59:27.920 --> 01:59:30.609
I think I might have been in jail for this
2304
01:59:31.250 --> 01:59:34.630
at 15. Yeah, I might have been in juvenile detention
2305
01:59:34.670 --> 01:59:35.789
at the time, so I missed it.
2306
01:59:39.800 --> 01:59:42.840
Sorry. Oh, my God.
2307
01:59:44.340 --> 01:59:44.680
Okay.
2308
01:59:45.149 --> 01:59:45.550
Jimmy, I.
2309
01:59:47.029 --> 01:59:48.569
Don't know if you know this, but I think you're
2310
01:59:48.609 --> 01:59:50.810
one of the funniest people I've ever had on the
2311
01:59:50.850 --> 01:59:54.310
show for any reason whatsoever. And I want you to
2312
01:59:54.350 --> 01:59:58.430
know that you have a title with me. No matter what,
2313
01:59:58.510 --> 01:59:59.689
you are hilarious.
2314
01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:02.119
Okay.
2315
02:00:06.029 --> 02:00:07.850
I'm the only one laughing. Oh, God.
2316
02:00:07.890 --> 02:00:11.479
Wait a minute. The lead singer doesn't have jerry curls?
2317
02:00:11.579 --> 02:00:14.100
Yes, that's a tight jerry curl. Look, that's a tight
2318
02:00:14.119 --> 02:00:17.300
jerry curl. Wait until he moves around and he starts sweating.
2319
02:00:18.439 --> 02:00:22.270
I'm sorry. The clip in the room plays in a small.
2320
02:00:22.289 --> 02:00:23.670
I'm going to have to enlarge this.
2321
02:00:23.770 --> 02:00:26.930
Enlarge it because it's a real tight, it's a really
2322
02:00:27.010 --> 02:00:31.069
heavy process jerry curl. That's what he's talking about. I
2323
02:00:31.130 --> 02:00:33.170
guarantee that's what he's talking about. That's the only thing
2324
02:00:33.189 --> 02:00:35.970
that matches what he's saying with the purple shirt and
2325
02:00:36.050 --> 02:00:38.229
all that. Plus, look at the rest of the band.
2326
02:00:38.270 --> 02:00:40.449
I didn't even finish examining it because I couldn't stop
2327
02:00:40.479 --> 02:00:43.729
cracking up. But there's other purple going on on the
2328
02:00:43.770 --> 02:00:44.359
stage there.
2329
02:00:44.380 --> 02:00:49.159
I guess he's had a process there because those are
2330
02:00:49.420 --> 02:00:50.279
larger curls.
2331
02:00:50.920 --> 02:00:51.739
You see what I'm saying?
2332
02:00:51.760 --> 02:00:53.800
I still don't see the purple. No, on my screen
2333
02:00:53.859 --> 02:00:56.100
it looks like he's wearing a silver suit with black.
2334
02:00:56.520 --> 02:01:02.359
Oh, well, no, that's purple. That's like shiny satiny purple material.
2335
02:01:03.390 --> 02:01:06.250
You know what? Phase Shifter is in the chat room. Dude,
2336
02:01:06.409 --> 02:01:08.390
look at that video and tell me that's not a
2337
02:01:08.430 --> 02:01:11.390
guy in a purple shirt with a jerry curl. Help
2338
02:01:11.409 --> 02:01:15.250
me out here. Because if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But that,
2339
02:01:15.329 --> 02:01:18.069
to me, matches what Jimmy's saying perfectly.
2340
02:01:18.880 --> 02:01:21.739
Well, you know, at the point that Jimmy was so
2341
02:01:21.800 --> 02:01:25.729
damn bored, he's watching the NBA telethon. You know, how
2342
02:01:25.770 --> 02:01:28.250
many channels did we have in 87?
2343
02:01:28.250 --> 02:01:29.270
Well, there you go.
2344
02:01:30.210 --> 02:01:30.750
Geez.
2345
02:01:31.010 --> 02:01:34.250
The answer would be three plus PBS.
2346
02:01:34.449 --> 02:01:35.390
There you go.
2347
02:01:35.710 --> 02:01:37.800
I don't know that I'd be admitting that.
2348
02:01:37.939 --> 02:01:40.180
Well, if you didn't have cable, you know, I mean,
2349
02:01:40.199 --> 02:01:42.960
and if you were up late at night, too, because
2350
02:01:43.000 --> 02:01:44.880
don't forget that stuff used to go on, you know,
2351
02:01:44.899 --> 02:01:46.079
24-7 the whole weekend.
2352
02:01:47.289 --> 02:01:49.569
Yeah, but they wouldn't put Kool and the Gang at
2353
02:01:49.569 --> 02:01:50.590
3 o'clock in the morning.
2354
02:01:52.109 --> 02:01:54.170
Well, no, but I imagine if you were watching that
2355
02:01:54.189 --> 02:01:56.149
whole weekend, you didn't know what time it was when
2356
02:01:56.170 --> 02:01:57.170
Kool and the Gang came on.
2357
02:01:58.340 --> 02:01:59.979
Jimmy, what were you smoking that day?
2358
02:01:59.989 --> 02:02:10.739
You know what? Phase shifter concurs that guy's in a
2359
02:02:10.760 --> 02:02:14.250
purple shirt. So, okay, it's not just my eyes.
2360
02:02:14.729 --> 02:02:21.520
Once you see it, you can't unsee it, BP.
2361
02:02:21.579 --> 02:02:23.699
Well, I'm just curious what kind of buzz you had
2362
02:02:23.760 --> 02:02:26.739
going on to sit there and watch the NBA telethon.
2363
02:02:28.479 --> 02:02:30.489
Well, it was good enough that he never forgot it.
2364
02:02:31.850 --> 02:02:33.050
That's a damn good buzz.
2365
02:02:33.310 --> 02:02:36.029
I think he was too stoned. He couldn't get up
2366
02:02:36.050 --> 02:02:39.550
and change the channel. Imagine out in front of the
2367
02:02:39.649 --> 02:02:40.729
MDA telephone.
2368
02:02:40.789 --> 02:02:42.869
Maybe there was a hundred other things going on and
2369
02:02:42.909 --> 02:02:46.949
that's all he recalls. I don't know. I'm just, look,
2370
02:02:47.010 --> 02:02:48.750
I'm not him. I can't speak for him.
2371
02:02:48.789 --> 02:02:52.489
That has got to be the most obscure music reference
2372
02:02:52.510 --> 02:02:55.250
I have ever heard in my life for it to
2373
02:02:55.289 --> 02:03:01.350
turn out to be a performance on the MDA telephone
2374
02:03:01.409 --> 02:03:03.590
from 1987.
2375
02:03:05.600 --> 02:03:08.890
Well, see, I noticed something important.
2376
02:03:13.109 --> 02:03:16.229
I remember watching White Zombie jump into a giant bowl
2377
02:03:16.289 --> 02:03:18.350
of chocolate pudding on the David Letterman show.
2378
02:03:22.909 --> 02:03:25.590
Holy crap, I got a sense you just got.
2379
02:03:26.390 --> 02:03:29.140
Can you show stuff yet to the people, Chuck?
2380
02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:31.300
Like if I sent like a clip from.
2381
02:03:32.060 --> 02:03:34.520
Scott, CCTV Canada.
2382
02:03:35.199 --> 02:03:35.500
No.
2383
02:03:36.579 --> 02:03:37.920
I almost had a.
2384
02:03:37.899 --> 02:03:42.289
Heart attack and died laughing at this thing. Holy crap.
2385
02:03:42.369 --> 02:03:45.229
Well, send it to us and we'll describe it as
2386
02:03:45.289 --> 02:03:48.430
best we can. As you can tell, you'll get different descriptions.
2387
02:03:49.890 --> 02:03:51.409
I mean, this is the funniest thing ever.
2388
02:03:55.069 --> 02:03:59.369
Okay, so it shows the PBS, you know, is that
2389
02:03:59.409 --> 02:04:03.369
the usual bag of thoughts? They have a boxing match
2390
02:04:04.189 --> 02:04:10.329
where it's Fred Rogers versus the cook, Julia Childs.
2391
02:04:10.649 --> 02:04:16.590
Oh, that's funny. I will say, I'm going to put
2392
02:04:16.609 --> 02:04:17.149
that link.
2393
02:04:17.229 --> 02:04:18.890
I want you guys to see this.
2394
02:04:19.630 --> 02:04:21.380
Yeah, put it in the chat room if you can.
2395
02:04:22.760 --> 02:04:24.260
I'll grab it and look at it and we'll play
2396
02:04:24.279 --> 02:04:33.750
the audio. Danny is still on the line, by the way.
2397
02:04:33.789 --> 02:04:35.109
I think he's just speechless.
2398
02:04:35.210 --> 02:04:36.840
Okay. I'm enjoying it.
2399
02:04:39.630 --> 02:04:42.600
Oh, this is fun. This is fun, guys. I got
2400
02:04:42.619 --> 02:04:44.859
to admit, this is more fun. And, you know, the
2401
02:04:44.899 --> 02:04:46.800
sad thing is it's about to come to an end
2402
02:04:46.880 --> 02:04:49.140
because I'm actually right at the end of my time
2403
02:04:49.180 --> 02:04:51.300
that I allotted for tonight. And it's a little after
2404
02:04:51.300 --> 02:04:55.000
10 and I got to get ready for the storm. But, oh,
2405
02:04:55.039 --> 02:05:02.550
my God, Jimmy, you are the the punchline bringer. You
2406
02:05:02.609 --> 02:05:06.689
are bringing punchlines like Mike Tyson throws punches or used to.
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02:05:08.579 --> 02:05:10.960
I mean, with complete efficiency.
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02:05:10.979 --> 02:05:14.289
There it is. Hey, it's posted in the chat.
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02:05:14.329 --> 02:05:15.069
All right.
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02:05:15.189 --> 02:05:17.380
Play this thing. It's a big couple of minutes.
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This thing.
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02:05:18.920 --> 02:05:23.380
The following is a presentation of SCTV Sports. This is
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02:05:23.479 --> 02:05:24.300
William F.
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02:05:24.340 --> 02:05:29.819
Buckley, always in control when hosting his provocative series, Firing Line.
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02:05:30.380 --> 02:05:32.079
But will he be in.
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02:05:32.079 --> 02:05:35.789
Control tonight as he and his team go up against
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02:05:35.909 --> 02:05:41.289
that man there, Carl Sagan, whose series, Cosmos, was, well,
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02:05:41.329 --> 02:05:41.810
to be.
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02:05:41.729 --> 02:05:44.510
Quite honest, not as effective as he hoped.
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02:05:45.350 --> 02:05:50.609
This is SCTV Battle of the PBS, okay? So in
2421
02:05:50.649 --> 02:05:53.609
case people didn't remember this, Second City Television was a
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02:05:53.630 --> 02:05:58.010
Canadian-produced television show. They used to air sometimes right after
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02:05:58.630 --> 02:06:02.970
Saturday Night Live on American television. And there you go.
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02:06:03.010 --> 02:06:05.560
There's my context, and now I'll continue to play the audio.
2425
02:06:06.619 --> 02:06:10.000
But can he overcome that ineffectiveness as he leads his
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02:06:10.079 --> 02:06:15.340
team in the battle of the PBS Stars?
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02:06:16.079 --> 02:06:20.609
Scanning the world over to bring you the hilarious and
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02:06:20.729 --> 02:06:23.510
the tragic FCTV Sports.
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02:06:23.529 --> 02:06:26.010
Hello again, I'm Howard Cosell.
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02:06:27.600 --> 02:06:32.239
I'm Dick Cavett, and I must say I'm really feeling
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02:06:32.319 --> 02:06:34.680
quite strange being back here at.
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02:06:34.659 --> 02:06:35.880
My alma mater, Yale.
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02:06:36.659 --> 02:06:39.399
I feel somewhat awkward it being the first time I've
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02:06:39.420 --> 02:06:42.079
been back without the complete works of Shakespeare under my arm.
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02:06:42.100 --> 02:06:44.850
A very witty quip, Dick, but let's not waste any
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02:06:44.890 --> 02:06:48.609
more time. Simply, the object of today's competition, the two
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02:06:48.630 --> 02:06:51.850
teams will compete to see who wins. Now, Dick, please,
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02:06:51.930 --> 02:06:53.010
try and be more concise.
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02:06:54.449 --> 02:06:57.659
I would, Howard, but I'm getting some confusing directions from
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02:06:57.779 --> 02:06:58.579
off camera.
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02:06:59.439 --> 02:07:01.399
For the sake of making sure that we're not hit
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02:07:01.439 --> 02:07:04.760
with a copyright strike anywhere, I have to provide commentary.
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02:07:04.840 --> 02:07:10.619
So at a certain point in history, children, there were many,
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02:07:10.779 --> 02:07:15.449
many comedians and impressionists that used to imitate and simulate
2445
02:07:16.069 --> 02:07:22.520
Howard Cosell. reporting usually about Ali, Mohammed, that is, although
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02:07:22.760 --> 02:07:27.159
I will still call him Cassius Clay. Anyways, just saying,
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02:07:27.340 --> 02:07:30.409
there you go, there's my commentary, and now you can't
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02:07:30.470 --> 02:07:33.390
strike me for copyright. Fuck you, Apple.
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02:07:34.750 --> 02:07:37.850
I was never good at taking directions, I must confess,
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02:07:37.869 --> 02:07:41.449
even when I was on Broadway and Simon Gray's otherwise engaged.
2451
02:07:42.090 --> 02:07:44.529
So if you'll bear with me, then we can switch
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02:07:44.569 --> 02:07:47.770
to boxing or wrestling or some such thing.
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02:07:47.869 --> 02:07:54.420
Wedge was previously recorded. Rune, we've got to go quicker.
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02:07:54.899 --> 02:07:58.100
I don't mind verbosity, but he's ruining the pace of
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02:07:58.119 --> 02:07:58.439
the show.
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02:07:59.119 --> 02:08:05.579
The crowd is literally buzzing with excitement as Mr. Rogers,
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02:08:05.680 --> 02:08:08.420
representing Bill Buckley's team, enters the ring.
2458
02:08:08.579 --> 02:08:09.819
Oh, look out there, Fred.
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02:08:11.659 --> 02:08:14.489
Mr. Rogers has fell over the top rope, by the way,
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02:08:15.489 --> 02:08:19.439
getting into the ring, and he's on Bill Buckley's team. Okay,
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02:08:19.619 --> 02:08:21.859
now I guess we'll continue with what Jimmy was cracking
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02:08:21.920 --> 02:08:24.439
up at. The slender chap's.
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02:08:24.220 --> 02:08:26.319
Not used to this sort of fare.
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02:08:26.340 --> 02:08:30.979
Tonight, he prepares to face the heavily favored Julian Child,
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02:08:31.260 --> 02:08:32.720
the French chef.
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02:08:32.760 --> 02:08:35.159
More about that later.
2467
02:08:35.199 --> 02:08:38.359
But first, let's take a look at both fighters in
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02:08:38.390 --> 02:08:42.510
their respective corners as they prepare for the upcoming bout.
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02:08:42.569 --> 02:08:42.930
There's Child.
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02:08:43.949 --> 02:08:46.550
Cool and collected, obviously.
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02:08:46.029 --> 02:08:47.930
In shape and ready for this fight.
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02:08:48.369 --> 02:08:49.869
But what about Rodgers?
2473
02:08:50.229 --> 02:08:54.850
Experts have questioned, myself included, his ability to participate in
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02:08:54.890 --> 02:08:58.149
so physical a sport. Some going so far as to
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02:08:58.210 --> 02:09:01.939
cast aspersions on his manhood itself. And of course, the
2476
02:09:01.979 --> 02:09:03.319
confident Julia Child.
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02:09:03.420 --> 02:09:06.460
And there's the bell starting round one.
2478
02:09:09.310 --> 02:09:13.949
But there, he rocked Julia Child with a devastating left,
2479
02:09:14.189 --> 02:09:18.289
and the planchette is visibly shaken. Not unlike George Steinberg,
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02:09:18.510 --> 02:09:20.470
after his humiliating defeat to.
2481
02:09:20.329 --> 02:09:21.760
Tommy Lasorda's Dodgers.
2482
02:09:21.850 --> 02:09:25.640
But more about that later. Rodgers is chasing her around
2483
02:09:25.680 --> 02:09:28.579
the ring. She's running in terror. Coco van.
2484
02:09:28.819 --> 02:09:30.140
Oh, no, Coco van.
2485
02:09:30.319 --> 02:09:34.359
This woman is in trouble. This is really disgusting.
2486
02:09:34.550 --> 02:09:36.970
This is not the sort of fare we're.
2487
02:09:36.770 --> 02:09:45.359
Used to bringing. Watch this bloody trash.
2488
02:09:45.420 --> 02:09:48.819
But wait, a sudden turn of events.
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02:09:48.880 --> 02:09:50.600
Child coming on strong.
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02:09:50.840 --> 02:09:52.279
No longer on the defensive.
2491
02:09:52.300 --> 02:09:55.960
The two of them trading blows like gladiators in the
2492
02:09:56.119 --> 02:09:57.520
ancient Roman tradition.
2493
02:09:57.560 --> 02:09:58.579
Fighting to the death.
2494
02:09:58.880 --> 02:10:02.720
This is a tremendous fight. You can feel the momentum
2495
02:10:02.819 --> 02:10:07.239
actually swinging toward Child. And what just happened there? He
2496
02:10:07.329 --> 02:10:08.250
cracked a puppet.
2497
02:10:08.529 --> 02:10:11.649
Oh, look at this. He's hitting Child with.
2498
02:10:11.409 --> 02:10:13.090
The lovable kick Friday.
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02:10:14.300 --> 02:10:14.500
All right.
2500
02:10:14.800 --> 02:10:17.199
So he resorts to beating her over the head with
2501
02:10:17.220 --> 02:10:20.140
King Friday because she just beat his ass like butter bean.
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02:10:20.659 --> 02:10:23.640
There you go. Commentary once again inserted. Thank you.
2503
02:10:24.239 --> 02:10:27.069
And the French chef is down and being counted out.
2504
02:10:27.109 --> 02:10:30.810
This is an unheard of tactic. Child is outsold.
2505
02:10:30.829 --> 02:10:32.869
Why isn't Rogers being disqualified?
2506
02:10:33.130 --> 02:10:36.310
Instead, he's being declared the winner.
2507
02:10:37.369 --> 02:10:40.029
I don't have to explain. You saw it.
2508
02:10:40.649 --> 02:10:43.300
He beat the woman unconscious with a puck.
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02:10:44.250 --> 02:10:47.010
All the papers will say that Fred Rogers won.
2510
02:10:47.529 --> 02:10:51.649
But in my opinion, it's a dark day in Mr.
2511
02:10:51.689 --> 02:10:56.149
Rogers' neighborhood.
2512
02:10:56.210 --> 02:10:59.270
The Battle of the P.B.F.
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02:10:59.350 --> 02:11:02.239
Stars will continue later tonight on SCTV.
2514
02:11:04.500 --> 02:11:07.680
There you go. A confluence of the Battle of the
2515
02:11:07.720 --> 02:11:12.079
Network stars, PBS fundraising, and freakishly crazy. A guy who
2516
02:11:12.140 --> 02:11:16.380
almost looks like a bobblehead of freaking Mr. Rogers fighting
2517
02:11:16.520 --> 02:11:19.779
a Julia Childs lookalike.
2518
02:11:19.899 --> 02:11:20.319
Mr.
2519
02:11:20.359 --> 02:11:23.279
Speedy and King Friday are in his corner.
2520
02:11:23.359 --> 02:11:26.319
Yeah, the mailman and the King Friday puppet are in
2521
02:11:26.380 --> 02:11:27.300
his corner, yes.
2522
02:11:28.220 --> 02:11:34.619
Fred Rogers as played by Eugene Levy. And Julia Childs is,
2523
02:11:35.819 --> 02:11:36.979
what's his name?
2524
02:11:37.439 --> 02:11:38.159
Uncle Buck.
2525
02:11:38.720 --> 02:11:39.550
Oh, John Candy?
2526
02:11:40.729 --> 02:11:41.729
John Candy.
2527
02:11:42.149 --> 02:11:43.970
I did not realize that was John Candy.
2528
02:11:44.029 --> 02:11:44.430
Wow.
2529
02:11:44.689 --> 02:11:46.329
But that would make sense because he was the only
2530
02:11:46.369 --> 02:11:49.350
fat guy on there, and she is clearly, like, awfully fat.
2531
02:11:50.029 --> 02:11:54.960
So I'm telling you, it looked like Butterbean beating up
2532
02:11:55.000 --> 02:11:59.789
a middleweight. Anyway, all right, we've gone over a little bit,
2533
02:11:59.850 --> 02:12:01.350
but you know what that means is I'm going to
2534
02:12:01.390 --> 02:12:03.850
ask everybody for their final word of the week, and
2535
02:12:03.869 --> 02:12:06.789
we got Danny first because he was the first caller,
2536
02:12:07.250 --> 02:12:09.510
and then, of course, the capper will be Jimmy James,
2537
02:12:09.590 --> 02:12:13.399
and then I'll turn it to BP and close it out. So, Danny,
2538
02:12:14.020 --> 02:12:16.180
what's your final word for the week, sir?
2539
02:12:17.739 --> 02:12:22.079
Hey, laughter brings everybody joy. Let's all laugh some more.
2540
02:12:23.439 --> 02:12:24.529
There you go. I love it.
2541
02:12:24.640 --> 02:12:26.880
Thank you, Danny. Thank you for calling in. And I
2542
02:12:26.920 --> 02:12:30.659
appreciate that one. And Jimmy James, how about you? Now
2543
02:12:30.680 --> 02:12:32.739
that we separated, there was a bit of noise there,
2544
02:12:32.779 --> 02:12:35.279
but you're good now. Go ahead, man. What's your final
2545
02:12:35.300 --> 02:12:35.960
thought for the week?
2546
02:12:39.260 --> 02:12:44.239
Everyone show up next Friday. There's always a party going
2547
02:12:44.560 --> 02:12:45.619
on in the hill.
2548
02:12:50.159 --> 02:12:52.300
And let your soul glow.
2549
02:12:52.319 --> 02:12:57.739
All right.
2550
02:12:57.760 --> 02:13:02.479
Jerry Lewis telethon. That is what's stuck in his memory. BP,
2551
02:13:02.560 --> 02:13:06.479
that is priceless. You can't get that nowhere else, man.
2552
02:13:07.140 --> 02:13:07.939
Your thoughts, brother?
2553
02:13:10.359 --> 02:13:12.720
Well, I'm going to have to dig up old MDA footage.
2554
02:13:15.039 --> 02:13:17.159
I guarantee you there's some fun stuff if you go
2555
02:13:17.180 --> 02:13:20.449
through the archive long enough. There's probably all kinds of
2556
02:13:20.510 --> 02:13:21.109
wild stuff.
2557
02:13:23.289 --> 02:13:25.470
Oh, just a note. I could not hear a single
2558
02:13:25.529 --> 02:13:26.770
word of what you were playing.
2559
02:13:27.409 --> 02:13:28.649
You didn't hear any of that?
2560
02:13:29.550 --> 02:13:29.789
No.
2561
02:13:29.970 --> 02:13:32.029
It was just very faint in the background, not like
2562
02:13:32.050 --> 02:13:33.189
when Jimmy first called up.
2563
02:13:33.569 --> 02:13:36.529
Oh, my God. All right. I'm sorry about that. But one,
2564
02:13:36.590 --> 02:13:38.630
you have the video clip because it's in the chat room.
2565
02:13:39.909 --> 02:13:44.029
But so you can watch it for yourself. Sorry about that.
2566
02:13:44.270 --> 02:13:47.729
I think everybody heard it, though. Uh, it went out
2567
02:13:47.810 --> 02:13:49.350
on air. I can see the, you know, I can
2568
02:13:49.390 --> 02:13:51.949
see the sound going out on air, uh, which is
2569
02:13:51.970 --> 02:13:54.720
the important thing, but, uh, I did, something's going on
2570
02:13:54.760 --> 02:13:57.079
with this, uh, teams and the way it's piping sound.
2571
02:13:57.939 --> 02:14:02.329
You should have heard all that. Anyways, but yeah, what
2572
02:14:02.369 --> 02:14:04.250
else you got to say? I'm sorry you missed that
2573
02:14:04.270 --> 02:14:06.149
because that was a long, boring time for you. About
2574
02:14:06.210 --> 02:14:09.229
four minutes of interrupt. And then with my interruptions to
2575
02:14:09.430 --> 02:14:14.380
assure that I cannot be struck for copyright infringement on Apple,
2576
02:14:14.420 --> 02:14:17.739
by the way, I had to interrupt it with commentary.
2577
02:14:17.779 --> 02:14:20.779
That means you repurposed it and therefore it becomes fair use.
2578
02:14:21.630 --> 02:14:24.189
So go ahead, BP, and you got to do that
2579
02:14:24.369 --> 02:14:28.430
every 60 seconds or so. Otherwise, yeah, you can be
2580
02:14:28.510 --> 02:14:33.210
struck or penalized. But anyway, BP, like I was saying,
2581
02:14:33.430 --> 02:14:34.970
what are your final thoughts for the week, sir?
2582
02:14:36.109 --> 02:14:39.670
Well, I'm just glad Danny and Jimmy called in and,
2583
02:14:39.970 --> 02:14:43.270
you know, go to Ocelli.com, hit the donate button and
2584
02:14:43.789 --> 02:14:45.109
support the local food banks.
2585
02:14:45.310 --> 02:14:47.380
Well, other than that, we'll see everybody next week.
2586
02:14:48.149 --> 02:14:51.550
There you go. I'm Ocelli. All of you are indeed
2587
02:14:51.770 --> 02:14:54.630
the effect. And I say just like Danny did and
2588
02:14:54.670 --> 02:14:55.409
just like Jimmy did.
2589
02:15:23.590 --> 02:15:35.600
So so.
2590
02:15:53.319 --> 02:15:56.600
You like history, real history that you were never taught
2591
02:15:56.619 --> 02:15:57.279
in schools.
2592
02:15:57.739 --> 02:15:58.100
Why?
2593
02:15:58.340 --> 02:16:02.659
The Vietnam War, nuclear bombs and nation building in Southeast
2594
02:16:02.800 --> 02:16:07.859
Asia by author Mike Swanson with new documentation never seen before.
2595
02:16:08.090 --> 02:16:10.609
That'll open your eyes to events that led.
2596
02:16:10.550 --> 02:16:11.010
Up to this.
2597
02:16:11.390 --> 02:16:11.710
Why?
2598
02:16:11.989 --> 02:16:17.850
The Vietnam War, Nuclear Bombs and Nation Building in Southeast Asia,
2599
02:16:17.850 --> 02:16:23.920
1945 through 1961. Get your copy today at Amazon.com.
2600
02:16:24.220 --> 02:16:24.539
Why?
2601
02:16:24.800 --> 02:16:27.329
The Vietnam War by author Mike Swanson.
2602
02:16:38.239 --> 02:16:42.120
Pledge allegiance to a false flag of the never-united manic state.
2603
02:16:42.540 --> 02:16:48.370
A macadamia, red or orange margarita. One nation beneath the anti-gods.
2604
02:16:47.610 --> 02:16:48.950
And anything that with deep words.
2605
02:16:48.969 --> 02:16:50.149
Outro Music.
2606
02:17:12.610 --> 02:17:15.569
Don't forget that though we are a right to life country,
2607
02:17:15.610 --> 02:17:16.309
we just.
2608
02:17:16.170 --> 02:17:18.329
Might make it so.
2609
02:17:18.409 --> 02:17:21.889
The death penalty will be the punishment for daring to
2610
02:17:21.969 --> 02:17:23.809
burn the flag of war.
2611
02:17:23.850 --> 02:17:28.180
The troops already in place will make sure Orange.
2612
02:17:27.959 --> 02:17:31.420
Jesus gets a third term because that is God's choice
2613
02:17:31.479 --> 02:17:32.219
for aging.
2614
02:17:32.340 --> 02:17:35.659
Orange in the new world, order of techno. Make your
2615
02:17:35.700 --> 02:17:41.440
nature so awful. of the never-united Maddox. Pay the Magarita.
2616
02:17:41.500 --> 02:17:42.840
Red or orange margarita.
2617
02:17:42.979 --> 02:17:46.040
One nation beneath the anti.
2618
02:17:40.370 --> 02:17:43.170
Thank you for watching.
2619
02:18:02.120 --> 02:18:27.020
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
2620
02:18:47.590 --> 02:18:47.860
Thank you.