Ochelli Effect 10-2-2026 FRriday Open Mic with B Pete

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Get ready, get ready for the A.O. Shelley Effect. Hey, October,
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what is it, two? Yeah, October 2nd, 2026. Allegedly, according
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to that thing we call a counter, this, the Ocelli effect,
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you hearing it, may be catching the podcast or the
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replay on the 24-7 Ocelli.com radio stream, which is available
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through just about every radio app in existence on your
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Apple and your other fondle slabs of choice. And we're here.
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All right. It is Friday night as I'm speaking, but
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who knows when you're hearing this. Just eight minutes past
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8 p.m. actually in the Eastern time zone. No idea
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what time it is wherever the hell you are, but
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that's what time it is where I'm talking to you from. Anyway,
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and it is Friars Day, the second day of October,
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like I said, so that's that. But you could be
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hearing it at any given time. It is the open mic,
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and that means my co-host B. Pete is with me,
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and so can you be with me. You can't be B.
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Pete.
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Nope, only one B. Pete. But you cannot be B. Pete,
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but you can be with us, okay? 319-527-5016. I got
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open lines. They appear to be working. Teams gave me
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a little trouble just trying to call BP just before air.
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So we went to air just a touch late. And
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I'll stay past 10. But I got to tell you,
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totally fell yesterday. Wait a minute. Was it yesterday? No,
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I fell the day before yesterday. Excuse me. Or was it?
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No.
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You know what? I'm not even sure what the hell
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day it was now. I think it was yesterday, and
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I cannot recall at this point, but I fell and
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totally screwed up my back, and I hope I don't
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have to get shots again, because it feels like all
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those discs squirted back out again because they weren't totally healed.
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But anyway, here I am, and we're going to do
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this as best I can. And unless it really starts
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hurting real bad and spasming, then I'll end the show early.
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But otherwise... Join in. You can change the topic. You
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can tell us what to talk about. Doesn't have to
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be about what we discussed last night. The most recent, oh,
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my goodness, maybe mass shooting in a park just down
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the street from me. No, 12, 12 charges of aggravated
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assault on like five people from ages 15 to 20 something,
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because that's what you call a shootout in the hood. Or,
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you know, some sort of battle. And it ain't about rap.
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Although they were filming a rap video a little bit
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before when the beef got started. And that's not your
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normal mass casualty shooting event. So Fox News certainly don't
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care except to go, look, black people shooting each other
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just like Chicago. Moving on, Donald Trump said. Anyway, they
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do that. And the liberals will tell you the guns
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are bad. And somebody else will come out and say
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mental health. But it won't even survive the 24 hours
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in the 24 hour news cycle. So don't even sweat it.
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It just happened over here. And who knows if anybody
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will die from it. But charges are going. Anyways, I
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don't want to discuss it tonight. We'll talk about anything
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on your mind.
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319-527-5016.
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And now, let's get the report from BP, the co-host
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with the most weather reports possible. I cracked up, by
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the way. I cracked myself up a couple of times
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responding to people. what is the weather like where you are?
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What is the weather like in the South? I don't know,
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they said. And I went, well, you listen to the
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Friday night show and you don't know. That's because you're
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not listening to the first few minutes, because after I'm
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done rambling, BP always tells us how the weather is
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where he is, which is just north of me and
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still south of the Mason-Dixon line. So anyway.
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Freaking God's country, man.
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Damn right. I'm in the buckle of the Bible belt, though.
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You're a bit above the belt, you know.
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We're kind of the top of the belt, man. Although,
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I know, parts of this state, I mean, it's, you know,
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you look at fundamentalist and stuff. If you're in the
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mountains and you go to date a girl, ask her
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out on a date, you need to check her hands
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for snake bite scars. I mean, they really, we have
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a string through our, it's almost like we have our
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own Bible belt through our state.
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Oh, yeah, you got snake handlers there, that's for sure.
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You know what's even stranger? Here's the strangest part about it.
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Anybody who's picturing snake handlers, especially if you saw faces
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of death or anything like that earlier on in life
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or news reports, you're thinking it's white people. Guess what?
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In North Carolina, it's not just white people handling snakes.
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I want you to know that.
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Oh, no, it's a very diverse crowd.
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It's quite the diverse crowd. It is a rainbow coalition
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of snake handlers and what we used to call holy rollers, B. Pete.
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But the funny thing is, though, most of the snake
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bite incidents that you hear about are not from the fundamentalists.
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No.
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It's from the freak that lives three doors down from
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you with... four anacondas and a couple rattlesnakes and something
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he bought on the black web and you know, from
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some country that will kill you if it looks at
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you cross-eyed. You know, it can spit venom through its scales.
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So that's, you know, that's also a big problem there.
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Or some moron that figured out how to cross up
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a water moccasin and a, I don't know, a king cobra.
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I'll tell you what, though.
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I have, just through work, The years I spent surveying
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and the years I spent, you know, working on highways
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and culverts and things like that, I have seen, in fact,
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the biggest water moccasin I ever saw in my life
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was about maybe 12 miles, no, more than that, maybe
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15 miles from here in an old sand pit that
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they used to build the highway. And every time the river,
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the Tar River floods, it also floods the sand pit ponds.
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And we were in there fishing, and that thing was
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longer than I am tall. And at its thickest point
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was as big as my thigh, the biggest damn snake
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I have ever seen. It was a water moccasin, and
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it was about four feet from me, going up a log,
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and it turned, and it came back down the log,
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and it turned, and it went about halfway back up,
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and that's where its head was. It was sunny. That
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was the only log that was catching sun rays through
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the cypress trees. Right. And he stretched out there having
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a good old time, and that's about the time that
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our boat bottomed out as we were heading back in. Yeah.
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It was kind of scary to be that close to
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something that big that could move that fast.
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Well, it was funny when I moved into Kinston, the
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first thing the landlord told me is, listen, at the
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back of the property, it drops off.
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Right. And it did.
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It dropped off like a good, I don't know, couple
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of feet right into a wooded area. So like the
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yard was sort of up there and then it just
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sort of drops off. Good place to put a fence, really.
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Is there a creek back there?
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Well, yeah, there was kind of a creek that ran
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behind all the houses on that block, right?
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Yeah, you had that floodplain where it drops off.
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Yeah, exactly. And so that was in the back. So
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you know what was in there. He goes, look, don't
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go back there if you don't know how to avoid
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the water moccasins.
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Yeah.
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I said, okay.
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It's amazing how diverse this state is in the dangerous
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wildlife that it has. It's amazing. Like I said, it's
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God's country.
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Because there's also four-legged dangerous wildlife because the first coyote
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I ever saw, I think, was right there.
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Also. Right. So.
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Oh, yeah.
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And if you'd have gone.
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Yeah.
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If you'd have gone two miles out of town in
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a certain area, a certain direction, you'd have seen black bears.
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Yes. Yes. That's another thing is if you go out
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into one of the wooded areas just a little bit
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away from Kinston, like you go past them railroad tracks
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and you go a couple of miles away. There's bears
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like like like big bears. We got it all. Now,
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the only thing I got confused about is this one
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wicked snake that made its way into the house. Now,
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I'm not concerned that this is going to sound crazy,
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but I'm not concerned about being bit by snakes because
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even when I've handled snakes that bite, they don't bite me.
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And I don't know why that is. It's just one
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of those things that even when people have had snakes
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that are agitated and everything else and they've handed them
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to me, they calm down. So even my uncle had
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a giant python that got very upset, and it used
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to eat rabbits. It was that big, right? A couple
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of rabbits.
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I don't understand why somebody would have something that big
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in their house.
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Well, I didn't either, especially because he had eight kids.
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But he was one of these nuts who also had
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Wally Gator. No kidding. He had a gator in him.
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in his house. But anyway, my, my uncle was nuts. Um,
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the point is that, um, and he wound up moving
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to Florida and staying there. I think, uh, he liked
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it down there. He liked that wildlife, but, but anyway,
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back to it. The one snake that got in the
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house really freaked him out because it was one of
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them sidewinding ones. And I don't think that was a
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water box. Um, it kind of looked like a water moccasin,
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but it did the sideways motion. You know what I mean?
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Well, sometimes water snakes, uh, On land, you notice how
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they move different because they're used to being in the water.
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Well, that's what I was curious about, because water moccasins
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I saw in, you know, that little creek slash stream,
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whatever it was that would grow and swell and then
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go down. I would see them in there all the
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time and they didn't move that way. But in our house.
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it was like a sidewinder. And when I when I
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released it, it kind of was it was really agitated.
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So it was jumping all over the place.
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What color was it?
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You know what? I don't really remember because it was
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like brownish greenish and I was half asleep.
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So I just probably a water snake of some kind.
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Yes, some kind of water snake. And I grabbed it
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and kind of like scooped it up in an empty
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garbage can and put something over top of the garbage can.
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You know, I was trying to remove it humanely and
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I put it outside. I let it go. And we
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had this board out there. You ever see when people
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like start seeds off and they put them in like
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the cut off. I did the whole thing with the
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cut off two liter bottle pieces and you nail them
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to a board. OK, so I was growing seeds that way,
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trying to get them ready to see if I could
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plant them in the yard there. Turns out there was
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too much sand in my yard. But, you know, anyway,
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but when I'm beginning these seeds, I tried to release
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him and he jumped out of the garbage can, like
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like popped out of the garbage can and jumped up
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onto that thing and sidewinded his way through this maze
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of nailed on freaking two liter bottle halves.
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Right.
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And and then wound up like sidewinding his way off
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of my porch and disappearing into the woods. But I
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was like, damn, I never saw a snake do that
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that fast. I mean, I've seen rattlesnakes do that, but
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I've never seen a snake in the east in the
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eastern part of the country. I've never seen one do that.
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But go ahead.
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Tell me the snakes around here. They've got green on them.
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Usually they're not dangerous. The only dangerous ones you've got
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to worry about are the water moccasins, copperheads, coral snakes
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down near the coast, and any assortment of maybe two
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or three different rattlesnakes, which are usually up in the mountains.
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The biggest rattlesnake I saw was in Colombia, which was
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like 20 miles from Manteo on the coast. It was
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the biggest rattlesnake I ever saw, and he had, I
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want to say, 19 rattlesnakes. It was a good long one.
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That's wild, yeah.
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There's strange ones come across here. Where I live— I.
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Saw a rattlesnake in New Bern, actually. I think I
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saw a rattlesnake in New Bern.
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Oh, yeah. It's strange when you see them around areas
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of water. But here on my ranch, we've only got
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two kinds of snakes, dead ones and alive ones.
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And the alive ones don't stay alive long. I do
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not like snakes.
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I got you. I don't mind them. You know what
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I can't stand them.
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They're not a big deal to me. But like I say,
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I humanely removed it and was just trying to let
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it go. And it wound up going back in with
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all the water moccasins back there. And that thing would
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get itself infested. That whole area behind the houses would
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get infested with water moccasins. So, yeah, the first thing
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that the landlord told me is, you know, don't go
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back there unless you know how to deal with the
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water moccasins. And two, you might want to keep your
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dog away from there.
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Oh, yeah.
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Because the dog will get killed. And I'm just like, okay. But, yeah,
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that's that. But it was pretty strange because that thing moved, like,
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super quick, though. Like, you know, like those fast desert
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rattlesnakes can move through the sand when they sidewind?
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You know what I'm saying?
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Cover ground quick.
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Yeah, they come up and they can disappear and reappear
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from the sand and cover a lot of ground really
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fast with that very complex looking movement. And I find
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it fascinating, but I just never saw one like that
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that was like just a little snake. And never saw
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one in the eastern part of the country like that.
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Even the rattlesnake I saw in New Bern did not
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move like this thing.
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It was weird. I can tell you one of the
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funniest things about a snake. Back when I was surveying,
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we had to do a farm. And the side property
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lines were probably 2,200, 2,300 feet. And it started at
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the highway or the county road and then went all
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the way back to the Roanoke River. And so there
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was a huge floodplain there. Roanoke River gets massive when
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it's when it's flowing. We've had a lot of runoff.
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And so one one live listener. Yeah, sorry. One live listener.
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Just real quick. One live listener that I've had for
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over a decade who was only called into the show once. Yeah.
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Now it's now it's Chuck can be Pete's Wild Kingdom.
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You're right, because he was listening last week. Yeah, we had,
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you know, whatever. But yeah, that's what's going on, man. And,
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you know, call in if you want to change the topic.
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But you won't because you haven't called in in about
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10 years. Anyway, sorry. I just wanted to speak to
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the one listener. Go ahead.
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Years and years ago, people back on farms and then
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a lot of times they would get rid of their
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junk and trash and that along a property line. Right.
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And this thing was heavily wooded all the way back
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to the river. And we're going along and I had
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just set a point. So I pick up the tripod
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and I've got the instrument on it and I've got
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a bush axe in my hand and I'm walking about
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300 feet ahead to get on the next point. And
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while I'm walking, I cross this old trash pile. And
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something out of the corner of my eye, black, I
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saw it flip over the toe of my boot. You know,
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like halfway up my foot. And I felt it hit.
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And I started cutting. I've got that thing on my shoulder,
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and I'm sitting there swinging a bush axe with one hand,
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just cutting everything up. And about that time, my rodman, chainman,
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comes up behind me and goes, I think it's dead now.
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And I looked. And then... It was a piece of
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about four and a half foot of black garden hose.
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And when I stepped on that trash pile, the end
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of it flipped over my boot and I started cutting.
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I looked and there must have been eight pieces, about
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eight inches long of black garden hose. That I was
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sure was going to kill me.
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You just thought it was a snake. Okay. Yeah. That's funny. Oh, man.
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I thought you were going to tell me because I've
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heard a hundred stories of people. I cut the snake
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and it kept going. Yeah. They're able to do that.
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Some of them, they don't need their whole body.
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Yeah. Yeah. If you kill a poisonous snake, don't handle
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the head because it still has a reflex action and
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can bite you after the fact.
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Right. And that that they don't even need to be.
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I mean, they can be freshly dead and still release
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the venom that they have. So, yeah, you even and
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they might not be completely dead either. That's the other thing.
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They're sometimes partially alive and sometimes, like you said, even
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the corpse of a snake can envenom you. But I
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don't know. I have never been bit by a snake.
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A couple people I know have been bit by copperheads,
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and it was pretty– they got pretty sick, even with
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the antivenom and everything. They– like one guy got bit
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right on the forearm just above his wrist. He was
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reaching into a pile to move something to try to
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find a property corner, and one bit him. And, I mean,
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his whole arm swelled up like a damn elephant. It
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was rough. It was six months before he probably– his
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arm was back halfway to normal.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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It is rough. It is rough. So, and yeah, I mean, look,
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I have always considered it part of my pagan practice
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because the snake is one of my animals that I
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interact with. But who knows? Maybe it's just my attitude
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because snakes are not, you can't domesticate them. I get
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people arguing with me all the time about this. They
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don't domesticate. Um, if you know, they're.
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A snake, I mean, people that think, I don't know.
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I don't want to get into it.
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No, I don't understand it. I appreciate the snake, but
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I also know that if I keep it as a pet,
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all I'm doing is jailing a wild animal. I, I,
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I'm not training it. Like there are people that somehow
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think they've trained their snake and And it's like, no,
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you didn't train anything. I'm telling you.
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Well, you can show me a snake that will play fetch.
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I'll believe you trained it.
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Well, my point is that even worse than cats, because
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cats will eat you if you die. But snakes, if
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you're alive, they'd be more than happy to swallow you
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if they're big enough. I'm telling you. They love to
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swallow mammals that are smaller than them. This is what
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they do. You know, I mean, even the Texas garter
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snake that I had for a pet for a little while,
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he used to eat little mice eventually. I mean, he
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started out eating like crickets or whatever. But after a
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little while, he ate little what they called pinkies, which
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are little dead mice. And, you know, like they're supposed
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to be freshly dead mice. And then, yeah, after a
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little bit, you know, tiny mice. Yes.
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Yes.
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They eat little, and then a mouse is a mammal.
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And like I told you about the python eating the rabbits, well,
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you know, that's just a larger rodent. I know everybody
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loves bunnies, but, you know, at least for a little
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while around Easter. But, yeah, no, that's another rodent. This
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is what they do, and they don't usually eat dead
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ones unless they're very freshly dead. I'm going to try.
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To take the squirrels around here and train them to
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be attack squirrels.
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Well, you know, like a mongoose or I've seen a
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squirrel fight with a snake, you know, and sometimes they win,
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sometimes they lose. I mean, as a kid, I'm sure
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you saw or read Ricky Ticky Tabby, right? You know,
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where you got the story of the mongoose and and
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the snakes. Well, anyway, I mean, that is based on,
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you know, the natural order of things there. When it
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comes to, you know, there are certain types of rodents,
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let's call them, that can fight with a snake, but
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most mice and rats can't. Uh, although the, the bunnies
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occasionally would fight back a little bit, they would kick
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hard with their legs. Um, you know, cause these pythons would,
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would coil back and snap so fast. You couldn't even
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see it. And it wasn't just me. Um, and they
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would grab them by the face sometimes and their feet
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would still be kicking them while they were swallowing them. Um, but, uh,
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you know, outside of the rabbit having claws in its paws,
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believe me, these things can't really fight too well against
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a snake, but. There are some things like ferrets and
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mongoose and things like that that are capable of killing
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even bigger snakes than themselves by a long shot. You know,
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but that's part of the natural order. There's a battle
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for survival between these animals. And again, you can't domesticate
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something that does that. I know your cats kill birds
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or whatever, or grab dead birds or whatever they do,
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and they are predatory. Cats are predatory by nature, but
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They're nothing like snakes and these vicious, vicious rodents. You know,
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as a matter of fact, one of the most dangerous
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things I've ever seen is a cornered squirrel. I don't know,
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maybe Eddie will call in about that and we'll get
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some more Wild Kingdom talk. But look, I didn't intend
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to do this, actually. I just meant to mention that, yeah,
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that there was snakes around. How did we get on snakes, actually?
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Let me think back.
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We were talking about Kensington. We were talking about that
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low area back behind the house.
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Oh, that's right. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, somehow. But yeah,
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there were snakes in there. That's what it was. And
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then I remembered the snake that got in the house.
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But anyway, that was weird. Anyway, we could talk about anything.
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We could talk about, you know, the mass shooting near you,
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because I'm sure it's already out of the news cycle,
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the one that happened in Macon. But again, it wasn't
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one of those mass tragedy events. It was just, you know,
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two people having beef and then it turned into a
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shootout between a couple of handful of people. So that
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was just, you know, in the park. the, quote, park,
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end quote, here in Macon. And like I said previous
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to them shooting at each other, they were over there.
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Somebody was filming a rap video, I guess. And apparently
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the rap video wasn't that bad. And somebody took issue
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with that. And then a fight sort of broke out
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and it broke up. And then people came back to
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the park later and started shooting at each other. So
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that's a little different than a guy who decides he's
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going hunting for humans, you know, at McDonald's like they
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did in San Diego years ago, one of the most
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famous cases. And it's definitely not a Columbine. So, you know,
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it's no big deal. And I already made my commentary
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about that last night. But anything that you want to
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talk about, whether it's local to you or Or maybe
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it's national news. Maybe it's just your thought for the day.
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Go ahead and join us. 319-527-5016. Other than that, what
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is on your mind? Oh, that's where we started with
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the weather and what's going on with the water and
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the weather and how things are going and the weather. Well,
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we talked about the pollen, I think, before we went
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to air. But what else is going on?
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Grass pollen has been bad here the past year. We
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finally hit some fall weather at the beginning of the week.
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I mean, it was in the 70s, a nice gentle breeze.
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You could get out and work all day in the yard.
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It was absolutely beautiful. Kind of weather you want. except
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for the week of Christmas where you want it to
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snow and then go away. Perfect weather. So it's gotten
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hotter all week, but tomorrow we're looking at about two
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days of rain, and I'm looking forward to it. So
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we need that. But other than that, a news item
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hit me yesterday. I think I saw it on Court TV.
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Remember the Alex Murdaugh trial, the lawyer down in South
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Carolina that killed his wife and his son?
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Yes.
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Well, I heard there is a A police chief and
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another officer in a nearby small municipality near where his
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house was that the murders took place.
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Okay.
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And apparently these two guys hid the murder weapons and
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talked about providing a change of clothes to Alec Murdoch
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right after it happened.
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Wow.
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Okay. Like this guy, this... He was an old apparently
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this chief had come under some charges or something years ago.
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And Murdoch was one of the few Murdoch and his father,
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who was a prosecutor. At the time.
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Well, that was a generational thing all the way back. Like,
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you know, generations of Murdaugh's had been prosecutors, judges, whatever,
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in that area that they call the low country in
478
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South Carolina. Again, sort of like, you know, the local
479
00:24:57.109 --> 00:25:00.980
machine boss, you know, the local machine bosses. Well, this is,
480
00:25:01.009 --> 00:25:04.759
you know, part of that infrastructure is the prosecutory team.
481
00:25:05.450 --> 00:25:07.410
you know, screw with us and we'll wind up getting
482
00:25:07.430 --> 00:25:12.109
you into prison for something, et cetera, et cetera. And also, hey, look,
483
00:25:12.450 --> 00:25:14.750
nobody that I know, just like as if he was
484
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really super rich, although apparently he wasn't, had a serious
485
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drug problem that ate up a lot of his money,
486
00:25:20.750 --> 00:25:22.630
which I still don't know how you spend that much
487
00:25:22.690 --> 00:25:26.089
on Oxycontin. I mean, Oxycontin is expensive, but I mean,
488
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you know, even paying rock star rates, you shouldn't have
489
00:25:28.589 --> 00:25:30.240
ran out of the money that he ran out of.
490
00:25:30.750 --> 00:25:33.690
But anyway, no, it's a fascinating case. Go ahead.
491
00:25:34.630 --> 00:25:40.410
It says the investigation involves allegations that Yemesee, Yemesee police
492
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chief Greg Alexander and another officer may have handled and
493
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concealed murder weapons related to the double murder of Maggie
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and Paul Murdoch. This inquiry follows accusations that they transported
495
00:25:51.619 --> 00:25:55.619
evidence shortly after the murders in 2021. Wow. So I
496
00:25:55.619 --> 00:25:59.680
don't know how long it's been going on or how
497
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:06.200
recent this thing started, but But apparently they just had
498
00:26:06.220 --> 00:26:12.279
a longstanding friendship over the years through working together. It
499
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:17.200
says the murders occurred June 7th of 2021. Despite Murdoch's conviction,
500
00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:19.779
the murder weapons have never been found, and the investigation
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into the police chief's actions continue. Interesting.
502
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:26.960
Okay, that's interesting for sure. But, I mean, the fact
503
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.839
that he's connected to other law enforcement agencies that are
504
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:36.920
immediately adjacent to their power area– Not a surprise. That's
505
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.880
just the way things work. They network with each other.
506
00:26:39.940 --> 00:26:47.339
Small town, small, small county sheriffs and small county police chiefs. Yeah, they're.
507
00:26:48.619 --> 00:26:51.480
Small and large, small and large, to be honest with you.
508
00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:53.700
I mean, it's not like the guys in Jersey City
509
00:26:53.740 --> 00:26:57.029
are unfamiliar with the prosecutors in New York City. OK,
510
00:26:57.630 --> 00:26:58.329
I mean, what I.
511
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Was going to say is that even in small towns,
512
00:27:00.450 --> 00:27:06.039
you have. machinations in place that control everything. You know, it's,
513
00:27:06.059 --> 00:27:10.160
it's the, you have these little mafias scattered throughout the state.
514
00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:14.200
Right. Little, little special groups for the privileged who happen
515
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.069
to be connected one way or another. Same thing as like,
516
00:27:17.109 --> 00:27:19.650
like you said, almost like a mafia kind of situation.
517
00:27:20.210 --> 00:27:22.710
If you're connected, you're connected. If you're not, guess what?
518
00:27:22.809 --> 00:27:25.650
You're not. Um, you know, and that's the way it is.
519
00:27:25.710 --> 00:27:28.769
And Murdoch was like super connected, uh, You know, that
520
00:27:28.809 --> 00:27:32.009
was the thing. I mean, even in that whole, you
521
00:27:32.049 --> 00:27:34.990
saw the footage of the boat crash and the drunk
522
00:27:35.029 --> 00:27:36.430
kid and everything, his kid, right?
523
00:27:37.269 --> 00:27:37.529
Yeah.
524
00:27:38.289 --> 00:27:40.630
Well, I mean, even in that instance, you know, the
525
00:27:40.670 --> 00:27:44.799
guy whose girlfriend just died, you know, during this whole mess,
526
00:27:44.819 --> 00:27:47.519
because she disappeared and never came up or whatever when
527
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:49.900
everybody else came up after they ran into the bridge
528
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:51.660
with the boat, you know, because he was like drunk
529
00:27:51.700 --> 00:27:55.359
driving the boat. Right after he goes, yeah, well, good luck.
530
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:58.259
When they said, well, we're going to have to contact
531
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:00.359
the authorities, and they went, you know who that guy is?
532
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.519
He's a Murdoch. Good luck. Even his friends knew what
533
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:09.319
was what the second that something went wrong. I'm just saying.
534
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:11.519
It was like, yeah, you ain't going to go nowhere
535
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:13.599
with this. Go ahead.
536
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:18.869
It's interesting, though, because Murdoch, his conviction was overturned, so
537
00:28:18.900 --> 00:28:21.950
he's supposed to go back to court, I think, April
538
00:28:22.109 --> 00:28:22.769
of next year.
539
00:28:23.069 --> 00:28:23.269
Yeah.
540
00:28:23.910 --> 00:28:27.299
So it's going to be interesting to see if this
541
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changes the whole complex of his case.
542
00:28:30.589 --> 00:28:32.529
Well, this might have been a smart move on the
543
00:28:32.569 --> 00:28:35.769
part of the prosecutor to not introduce any of that
544
00:28:35.950 --> 00:28:37.150
in the initial trial.
545
00:28:37.890 --> 00:28:40.049
I don't think he knew about it in the initial trial.
546
00:28:40.250 --> 00:28:42.049
Well, whether he knew about it or not.
547
00:28:42.190 --> 00:28:44.609
Yeah, I think it's stuff that has come out here
548
00:28:44.849 --> 00:28:48.609
fairly recently because they just announced the investigation about seven
549
00:28:48.650 --> 00:28:53.210
days ago. So what I'm thinking is, you know, you
550
00:28:53.250 --> 00:28:56.940
had the clerk of court Was it the clerk that
551
00:28:57.059 --> 00:29:01.069
wrote a book and she got nailed for influencing the jury?
552
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:06.789
And that's why Murdaugh got his conviction overturned.
553
00:29:06.849 --> 00:29:12.079
Yeah, because she told on herself influencing the jury multiple times. Oh, yeah,
554
00:29:12.140 --> 00:29:15.079
she wrote a fucking book. Exactly. And then wrote a book, too.
555
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.460
She's like the Keefie Dee of the Murdoch trial.
556
00:29:17.579 --> 00:29:23.710
Pretty much. She was Keefie Dee, exactly. That's perfect. That's
557
00:29:23.750 --> 00:29:26.109
what she did. And the funny thing is, even after
558
00:29:26.150 --> 00:29:29.470
people started going to her, like, you might be the
559
00:29:29.509 --> 00:29:31.690
person who gets him off. And she went, no, I won't.
560
00:29:31.869 --> 00:29:35.009
He murdered. I know that I didn't. And it's like,
561
00:29:36.529 --> 00:29:39.559
somebody should have just told her to shut up, uh
562
00:29:39.670 --> 00:29:42.900
you know but nobody did apparently or nobody said that
563
00:29:42.940 --> 00:29:45.140
she wanted to listen to told her that because she
564
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:46.619
kept going right.
565
00:29:47.259 --> 00:29:50.000
That's what that's what her nickname entails it.
566
00:29:50.660 --> 00:29:53.420
Was a keepy you hey that was keepy d you're
567
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:59.490
keepy e look here's the next letter oh my god
568
00:29:59.569 --> 00:30:02.490
key p e that's it wait what's her name that
569
00:30:02.509 --> 00:30:05.589
might be perfect actually what was her name uh let.
570
00:30:05.509 --> 00:30:09.230
Me look it up yeah what we need to do
571
00:30:09.309 --> 00:30:11.250
is give her that letter that makes sense with her
572
00:30:11.289 --> 00:30:14.579
name somehow and if it's key p e it's perfect
573
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.200
because she's the next letter in the alphabet.
574
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:20.380
Like if her name's evelyn or something i i think
575
00:30:20.420 --> 00:30:22.019
it was something like evelyn wasn't it.
576
00:30:23.819 --> 00:30:24.819
Uh, maybe, I don't know.
577
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:25.200
Let's see.
578
00:30:25.259 --> 00:30:25.440
Yeah.
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00:30:25.460 --> 00:30:27.720
See if you can find it because yeah, she's totally
580
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.740
responsible for the total over to, and you know, that
581
00:30:30.819 --> 00:30:33.289
trial was strange cause I watched some of it on
582
00:30:33.309 --> 00:30:38.069
the dailies and it was really super circumstantial what they
583
00:30:38.089 --> 00:30:40.819
kept coming up with. And at one point, you know,
584
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one of the big reveals was this FaceTime video. You know,
585
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.279
of somebody out there with the dog kennel and this
586
00:30:48.339 --> 00:30:50.119
and that and blah, blah, blah, and they're trying to
587
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.140
figure out how to handle the dogs. I mean, you know,
588
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:55.880
this is definitely a South Carolina situation.
589
00:30:55.900 --> 00:31:00.069
Okay, her name was Becky Hill, so she could be
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00:31:00.140 --> 00:31:00.769
Keefy B.
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00:31:00.849 --> 00:31:09.549
She could be Keefy B, all right. KPP. That's better. Okay,
592
00:31:09.589 --> 00:31:13.509
so you got KPD and KPP. They tell on themselves. Oh,
593
00:31:13.549 --> 00:31:14.269
my God.
594
00:31:14.289 --> 00:31:19.559
She was convicted. Let's see. She was charged with obstruction
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00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:26.539
of justice, perjury, and misconduct in office. Right. Now, she
596
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.380
was sentenced to probation and community service after pleading guilty
597
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:31.079
to her charges.
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00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:35.369
Okay. Well, because you know what? It's probably a mens
599
00:31:35.410 --> 00:31:37.849
rea type plea where it's like she has no idea
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00:31:37.869 --> 00:31:41.410
that what she was doing was wrong somehow. And it's
601
00:31:41.450 --> 00:31:45.819
not like she was an inexperienced court clerk. It's just
602
00:31:45.859 --> 00:31:50.039
that she'd been there for many years. But what it was,
603
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.319
the new thing here is that nobody in the rest
604
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.700
of the country even knew this area of South Carolina existed, okay?
605
00:31:57.930 --> 00:32:01.269
That's the point. And then Netflix made a documentary out
606
00:32:01.309 --> 00:32:03.170
of it, or HBO, I forget who did it first.
607
00:32:03.910 --> 00:32:06.519
But whichever one of them did it first made it famous.
608
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.319
And as soon as that happened, she went, oh, I
609
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:15.150
can write a book. And other than that, she was
610
00:32:15.190 --> 00:32:18.970
probably involved in mundane, stupid things. You know what I'm saying?
611
00:32:19.029 --> 00:32:22.500
In South Carolina, in the low country. You know, not
612
00:32:22.539 --> 00:32:24.200
a lot of rich folks, so a lot of poor
613
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.880
people court cases. Not very interesting when you take a
614
00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:30.109
look at what goes on in the courts, because I've
615
00:32:30.140 --> 00:32:32.130
sat through court in the South in a couple of
616
00:32:32.170 --> 00:32:37.490
different places. And in Georgia, it's really boring. I got
617
00:32:37.509 --> 00:32:41.529
to tell you, it's not even like Jerry Springer level good.
618
00:32:42.230 --> 00:32:45.809
It's like just stupid things go on. And I mean,
619
00:32:45.930 --> 00:32:48.289
I'd be bored to death trying to work that court
620
00:32:48.329 --> 00:32:51.700
system in Georgia. Now, I don't know. Maybe South Carolina
621
00:32:51.740 --> 00:32:55.220
is different. But my experience in South Carolina after going
622
00:32:55.259 --> 00:32:57.539
to see Columbia, South Carolina, I got to tell you,
623
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:01.359
I imagine it's almost the same thing. Because it's the
624
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:04.849
same level of like, you know, petty nonsense that needs
625
00:33:04.910 --> 00:33:07.930
to be adjudicated in court. They probably don't have a
626
00:33:07.970 --> 00:33:11.829
lot of murders. You know, the drug dealer locally is
627
00:33:11.890 --> 00:33:14.450
probably the kid who's growing weed on his own property.
628
00:33:14.970 --> 00:33:17.410
You know what I mean? It's one of those situations
629
00:33:17.430 --> 00:33:20.359
where everything is kind of small town and stays that way.
630
00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:26.279
But she saw dollar signs and notoriety because all of
631
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.299
a sudden the nation and part of the world knew.
632
00:33:29.089 --> 00:33:31.890
About Murdoch, the trial, you know, and like I said,
633
00:33:32.450 --> 00:33:34.920
they could have gone probably another five generations and nobody
634
00:33:34.940 --> 00:33:37.160
would have heard of him if this guy didn't pull
635
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.400
what he pulled, you know, and then his weirdness with
636
00:33:40.460 --> 00:33:43.349
the like, oh, somebody shot me. Oh, well, maybe I
637
00:33:43.390 --> 00:33:47.289
tried to commit suicide. Oh, you know, like that whole
638
00:33:47.349 --> 00:33:51.359
thing made it even weirder. You remember that? Yeah.
639
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.960
And it turns out the guy was his cousin or something.
640
00:33:54.420 --> 00:33:54.640
Yeah.
641
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:57.859
He like either paid to take a shot at him.
642
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.200
Yeah. He either paid him or promised to pay him.
643
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.589
I'm not sure which, but one way or another, it
644
00:34:02.609 --> 00:34:04.089
was like, Hey, look, you got to take a shot
645
00:34:04.150 --> 00:34:05.809
at me. So it makes it look like somebody tried
646
00:34:05.829 --> 00:34:10.030
to kill me. I mean, like he's doing that to
647
00:34:10.050 --> 00:34:12.980
allegedly get away with, you know, all this embezzlement he did.
648
00:34:13.650 --> 00:34:17.099
Where he's like, you know, convincing people to file lawsuits
649
00:34:17.739 --> 00:34:20.059
and then taking the money from their lawsuits and like,
650
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.059
you know, giving them like two, three grand. So they
651
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.659
think they're rich and keeping the rest of the money
652
00:34:24.699 --> 00:34:27.130
and stuff like this. He was pulling. What's that?
653
00:34:27.170 --> 00:34:27.750
Legal fees.
654
00:34:28.010 --> 00:34:29.230
Yeah. Legal fees. Yeah.
655
00:34:29.269 --> 00:34:33.250
But we promised you we promised you a settlement after costs.
656
00:34:33.469 --> 00:34:35.610
And those are legal fees. Yeah.
657
00:34:35.650 --> 00:34:39.679
But those costs ended up being like 90 percent. because
658
00:34:39.739 --> 00:34:41.059
then nobody would take that.
659
00:34:41.059 --> 00:34:44.320
99% in most or some, you know, a lot of
660
00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:45.760
cases he didn't give him a dime.
661
00:34:46.139 --> 00:34:46.420
Right.
662
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:48.539
And that was the other thing. He kept promising money,
663
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:51.920
even his own housekeeper, which his own housekeeper dies under
664
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.550
weird circumstances, supposedly like tripping over a dog and falling
665
00:34:55.570 --> 00:34:59.510
down steps. I'm not kidding, by the way, look it up. And,
666
00:35:00.070 --> 00:35:03.090
and then he's got the family filing for like a
667
00:35:03.150 --> 00:35:08.340
lawsuit against himself and That he then settles. It's like,
668
00:35:09.099 --> 00:35:12.360
what are you doing? And insurance claims, all kinds of
669
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.440
wild stuff. And he's just inventing ways to skim and
670
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:18.059
just like take most of the money. And like I said,
671
00:35:18.099 --> 00:35:20.320
write somebody a little token check and be like, here
672
00:35:20.340 --> 00:35:23.519
you go. That's your settlement. And he was doing that
673
00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:26.989
to tons of people for years, apparently. Like I said,
674
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.849
I can't even fathom. There has got to be another
675
00:35:30.949 --> 00:35:33.750
sort of like hidden story behind where some of that
676
00:35:33.809 --> 00:35:38.829
money went. Because I can't imagine that they I mean,
677
00:35:39.010 --> 00:35:41.489
let's just say they had a lavish lifestyle and he
678
00:35:41.510 --> 00:35:44.510
was spending, you know, pretty heavily on the drugs he
679
00:35:44.530 --> 00:35:47.289
was working on. But even like I said, if you
680
00:35:47.329 --> 00:35:51.070
pay rock star rates on Oxycontin, there's no way you're
681
00:35:51.090 --> 00:35:53.489
going to go through millions at the speed that he did.
682
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:56.880
And he literally blew out millions of dollars. Yeah, go ahead.
683
00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:59.550
Yeah, but you know, anybody that was selling to him
684
00:35:59.659 --> 00:36:03.230
knew that he had the money and knew that he
685
00:36:03.269 --> 00:36:06.110
didn't want anything to be public. And they could charge
686
00:36:06.230 --> 00:36:08.630
anything they wanted he to pay. He'd have paid it.
687
00:36:08.949 --> 00:36:12.179
I think he had limited sources that he could get
688
00:36:12.219 --> 00:36:14.929
it from. And those people took advantage of the situation.
689
00:36:14.989 --> 00:36:17.489
They gouged him. Well, you see, that's where I disagree,
690
00:36:17.730 --> 00:36:21.800
because since he's in the legal system, he's also connected
691
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:23.940
to plenty of people he can get out of charges.
692
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.320
And if somebody, listen, man, if you can get me
693
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:29.260
some drugs, I can make sure that your charges disappear.
694
00:36:30.010 --> 00:36:34.269
He could get free drugs that way. He seemed that smart. So,
695
00:36:34.909 --> 00:36:37.210
you know, that's one way I'm just saying. And I
696
00:36:37.269 --> 00:36:39.530
know that that occurs because I've been involved in those situations.
697
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:44.679
And another thing is that, you know, you can lean
698
00:36:44.860 --> 00:36:47.159
on a pharmacist who can order bottles of pills.
699
00:36:47.619 --> 00:36:50.679
Well, but I'm not saying it all went on the drugs.
700
00:36:50.780 --> 00:36:52.360
I'm not saying he blew through that much on just
701
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:52.760
the drug.
702
00:36:52.820 --> 00:36:53.480
No, that's impossible.
703
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:55.760
I'm sure this guy was paying a lot of people
704
00:36:55.820 --> 00:36:57.639
under the table. We don't know how many women he
705
00:36:57.659 --> 00:37:00.300
was giving money to, how many law enforcement agents he
706
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:01.219
was giving money to.
707
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.429
Well, that's what I'm saying. There's an accounting that's missing here. Now,
708
00:37:04.489 --> 00:37:05.150
maybe it was.
709
00:37:05.190 --> 00:37:05.769
Well, they haven't.
710
00:37:06.130 --> 00:37:06.750
Yeah.
711
00:37:06.849 --> 00:37:08.429
It's like they got him on the murder and we
712
00:37:08.449 --> 00:37:09.809
don't need to check in anything else.
713
00:37:09.949 --> 00:37:12.190
Well, there was that. But they also they got him
714
00:37:12.309 --> 00:37:14.130
on not just the murder, though. They got him on
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00:37:14.150 --> 00:37:18.510
the embezzlement. So, well, true, true, because I think that
716
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the whole point of this is that they've overturned it
717
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on the murder charge. Right. But they didn't overturn the embezzlement.
718
00:37:24.809 --> 00:37:26.150
So he's still in prison. Right.
719
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No, I don't think he's I don't know if he's
720
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filed an appeal on that or not.
721
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Well, but that's the thing. I don't think she influenced
722
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them on any of that because that was very confusing.
723
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And like I said, when I heard the amounts during
724
00:37:41.130 --> 00:37:43.679
the trial that they were talking about, the amounts of
725
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money that was disappearing into, you know, and he supposedly broke.
726
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At this point, right, I'm going, yeah, you can't spend
727
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.480
that much on Oxycontin. I mean, look, if I had
728
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.239
somebody who didn't want to risk public exposure and I
729
00:37:58.260 --> 00:38:00.960
was selling drugs to them, obviously I tripled the amount
730
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:02.539
of money that I was going to collect on it.
731
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And they understood that. That was a given in Jersey.
732
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So I imagine it worked the same way in South Carolina.
733
00:38:10.530 --> 00:38:12.869
So you sell a $ 10 Percocet to this guy, it's
734
00:38:12.889 --> 00:38:16.429
going to be 30 bucks. But even at that rate,
735
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He couldn't have consumed the millions that he consumed in
736
00:38:20.130 --> 00:38:23.429
the short amount of time. So there is unaccounted for
737
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money here. Like you said, he could have been paying
738
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10 different women, and he's got eight mistresses for all
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we know. I don't know.
740
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There's no telling. Yes, apparently he did appeal the 40-year
741
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sentence for the embezzlement. His lawyers argued that the sentence
742
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was greater than what the prosecution asked for and that
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it was unusual. And let's see. The sentence was deemed
744
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appropriate due to the nature of his crimes, which involved
745
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stealing from vulnerable clients.
746
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Right.
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And the judge emphasized that Murdoch's actions harmed those who
748
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were already in difficult situations, such as clients who had
749
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suffered injuries or lost loved ones. Right.
750
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But right.
751
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I got turned down.
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Like I said, the maid's family. Right. His maid dies
753
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on his property and he, you know, goes and.
754
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Yeah, that was. You know, that sounded awfully fishy to
755
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me when it happened. And I'm surprised there wasn't more
756
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investigation into that when that took place. Well, see, that's
757
00:39:21.150 --> 00:39:23.369
his insurance to pay off on it because it was
758
00:39:23.429 --> 00:39:26.690
his dog supposedly. Right. That made the woman fall off
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the porch.
760
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Right.
761
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I mean, that's a little strange.
762
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No, it's a little strange. But here's the thing. It
763
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would have had to start with a local prosecutor and
764
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he had that on lockdown. So there was no you
765
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know what I'm saying? Like the initial investigation would have
766
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been local and that evaporated. Oh, well, Murdoch said it happened.
767
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He's a Murdoch. And that's the end of it. So
768
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that's how he did that. But it is funny because,
769
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I mean, in some cases, these people that he was
770
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taking advantage of were illiterate, you know, had no idea
771
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what they were signing, all kinds of stuff. Um, he
772
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did that. And, and there, there's the lost loved one
773
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issue with the, with the maid, she dies and he
774
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gets her family to sue him so that there can
775
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be a collection on the insurance. He's the collecting lawyer.
776
00:40:11.150 --> 00:40:13.480
He turns around and gives them like 2% of what
777
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they actually collected, you know, and goes, here you go.
778
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This is where your mom says, um, kind of, you know,
779
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a little bit evil there. You know what I'm saying?
780
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A little bit evil greed.
781
00:40:24.789 --> 00:40:26.449
He was definitely on the evil side.
782
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Yeah, yeah, for sure. And, you know, and somehow feeling
783
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entitled to all this was the other thing. But then
784
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:36.739
he starts panicking and getting weird and pulling stuff, like
785
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you said, with his cousin shooting him and whatever else.
786
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And then he's wandering around on the road.
787
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You know, that really should have opened more eyes, too, because,
788
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you know, if I'm going to have somebody look, I
789
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want you to take a shot at me. I sure
790
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as hell don't want it to be on a public
791
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street with a whole bunch of witnesses to something that
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nefarious as your cousin taking a shot at you. Because
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your chances of people seeing the guy or getting a
794
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license number or knowing which way he went and being
795
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able to apprehend the guy you would think would be
796
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easier doing it out on a public road like that
797
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when you're supposedly, quote, unquote, fixing a flat tire.
798
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No, what you do in that case is you hire
799
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a guy from Chicago to come to the East Coast
800
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for a weekend. He takes a shot at you and
801
00:41:26.179 --> 00:41:29.650
then jumps on a plane and disappears. So that's how
802
00:41:29.690 --> 00:41:31.250
you do that, and then you can do it in
803
00:41:31.289 --> 00:41:33.530
front of witnesses because they'll never see that guy again.
804
00:41:33.789 --> 00:41:35.590
You know what I mean? Unless somebody happens to go
805
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to Chicago.
806
00:41:37.090 --> 00:41:39.250
I looked up to see if any wrongful death suits
807
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were filed against him.
808
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Against him?
809
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And Mallory Beach, who is the girl that died in
810
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the boat wreck.
811
00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:47.320
Oh, well, there you go. Yeah, that one.
812
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:51.219
Mallory Beach, right. They sued him, and they settled. Murdaugh's
813
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.599
insurer agreed to pay the family half a million. Okay.
814
00:41:54.820 --> 00:41:58.019
And it said a family reached separate settlements with other defendants.
815
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.159
The interpassengers filed related lawsuits, which were all settled.
816
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Right.
817
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:07.429
So I don't know. I thought I thought that his
818
00:42:07.550 --> 00:42:11.409
wife's family filed one, but it doesn't list it here.
819
00:42:11.750 --> 00:42:14.139
Yeah, I don't know about his wife's family filing one.
820
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.500
I do know about all that, though, because he was
821
00:42:16.539 --> 00:42:20.179
trying to control that from the moment all the kids
822
00:42:20.219 --> 00:42:21.079
went to the hospital.
823
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:22.159
Oh, yeah.
824
00:42:22.179 --> 00:42:24.440
He was in the emergency room. Tell him, hey, you know,
825
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we're handling this. You know, if you need me as
826
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a lawyer to represent you and blah, blah, blah, blah.
827
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:32.050
Yeah. I'm your lawyer right now.
828
00:42:34.329 --> 00:42:36.230
They were trying to pin the other kid that was
829
00:42:36.289 --> 00:42:38.730
in the front as being behind the wheel and not.
830
00:42:39.619 --> 00:42:40.179
His son.
831
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:42.239
Right. And they were like, yeah, just tell him that
832
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:44.920
he was driving and it'll all work out. And, you know,
833
00:42:44.980 --> 00:42:47.619
and they're like, yeah, but that's not what happened. And
834
00:42:47.699 --> 00:42:48.820
that was the whole thing there.
835
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:49.360
Right.
836
00:42:49.940 --> 00:42:52.289
But eventually it was like, listen, if you just shut
837
00:42:52.369 --> 00:42:54.610
up and follow along, you'll get this check for like
838
00:42:54.610 --> 00:42:56.989
10 grand, 20 grand for your injury. So, you know,
839
00:42:57.030 --> 00:42:57.329
take it.
840
00:42:57.510 --> 00:42:57.710
Right.
841
00:42:58.530 --> 00:43:01.210
Uh, meanwhile, who knows what the real payouts were because
842
00:43:01.349 --> 00:43:03.409
every time they did and went through his ledgers, it
843
00:43:03.449 --> 00:43:05.900
was like, well, you collected a hundred thousand and you
844
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.539
gave the client like five, you know, it's like, uh, yeah,
845
00:43:10.780 --> 00:43:12.800
you know what I mean? Like, that's the kind of
846
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.719
crap he was pulling, which, uh, you know, uh, and,
847
00:43:16.820 --> 00:43:18.699
and that's how, you know, not only that, but he
848
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:21.389
had good jobs too, that were paying well. And he
849
00:43:21.429 --> 00:43:23.809
was also, guess what? A lawyer and was getting paid
850
00:43:23.829 --> 00:43:26.469
well to do some lawyer. And now, and then to, uh,
851
00:43:26.510 --> 00:43:29.789
be Pete, uh, You know what I mean? Like, there's
852
00:43:29.809 --> 00:43:34.170
just too much money going in for, you know, and
853
00:43:34.190 --> 00:43:36.909
they just kept saying, oh, it's because of his Oxycontin problem.
854
00:43:37.849 --> 00:43:41.849
You know, and I'm going, yeah, unless you've got 10
855
00:43:41.849 --> 00:43:44.309
people with an Oxycontin problem, I don't see how you
856
00:43:44.329 --> 00:43:46.989
spent that much. You know what I mean? Like, it's
857
00:43:47.030 --> 00:43:49.360
not one guy that he'd be dead if he bought
858
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:53.679
that much Oxycontin for sure. Unless he's got a stash
859
00:43:53.699 --> 00:43:59.360
somewhere of like, you know, a billion pills. Um, yeah. Okay.
860
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:01.559
And apparently he ran out of his stashes all over
861
00:44:01.579 --> 00:44:04.409
the place too. So, you know, that was the other thing.
862
00:44:04.429 --> 00:44:06.269
Remember the, during the one part of the trial, they
863
00:44:06.289 --> 00:44:08.510
were like, Oh, well there was problems. Cause you know,
864
00:44:08.530 --> 00:44:11.170
he was withdrawn from the pills and he didn't have
865
00:44:11.230 --> 00:44:14.869
no more. And like this guy was running out. So,
866
00:44:15.170 --> 00:44:18.110
you know, he couldn't have spent that much. It's just,
867
00:44:18.260 --> 00:44:24.920
it's a little crazy, you know? Anyway, Um, cause I mean,
868
00:44:24.980 --> 00:44:26.699
I would spot a guy like that, a couple thousand
869
00:44:26.739 --> 00:44:29.139
dollars worth of pills if need be. Cause I already
870
00:44:29.179 --> 00:44:31.179
tripled up on him a few times. You know what
871
00:44:31.219 --> 00:44:35.159
I mean? Dealers would hook him up for sure. So
872
00:44:35.179 --> 00:44:36.900
at least he wouldn't have to go through withdrawal for
873
00:44:37.219 --> 00:44:40.039
whatever time periods they were talking about. Like, like I said,
874
00:44:40.059 --> 00:44:42.980
there was a bunch of weirdness in there that, you know,
875
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:46.539
didn't make real world sense. And he, he was the
876
00:44:46.579 --> 00:44:48.719
worst of it with these, you know, different plots. Oh,
877
00:44:48.820 --> 00:44:52.199
maybe I was hit by a car. Maybe I was shot. Um, Like,
878
00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:53.940
I was changing a tire and I got shot and
879
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:57.320
hit by a car. Who, you know, who are you?
880
00:44:57.380 --> 00:45:01.250
Bill Cosby's kid? What the hell happened? Anyway, that kid died.
881
00:45:01.849 --> 00:45:04.829
But remember that? Bill Cosby's kid died changing a tire?
882
00:45:06.550 --> 00:45:07.010
Real weird.
883
00:45:07.829 --> 00:45:08.610
Yeah, he was shot.
884
00:45:08.969 --> 00:45:11.699
Yeah, he was shot. Now, that was an incident that
885
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:16.780
actually happened. But this was all, you know, clearly like
886
00:45:16.940 --> 00:45:22.119
there was some BS happening. Anyway. So, look, I didn't
887
00:45:22.139 --> 00:45:24.519
mean to talk about the Murdaugh trial either, but again,
888
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:31.420
we haven't gotten calls yet. So, 319-527-5016 is the number
889
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:33.679
to call, and you can bring up any topic you like,
890
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.539
and you can add in if you're hearing us live.
891
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:38.139
If not, look, me and BP can sit here and
892
00:45:38.179 --> 00:45:41.199
talk this whole time without any of you, but little
893
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:44.489
surprised I haven't heard from Jimmy or Danny or Ed
894
00:45:44.550 --> 00:45:47.739
or anybody tonight yet. So he was.
895
00:45:47.659 --> 00:45:50.369
In the room. Let me see. I thought Jimmy was
896
00:45:50.429 --> 00:45:51.469
in chat. Let me look.
897
00:45:51.650 --> 00:45:54.110
Oh, I get now. I shut everything down because I
898
00:45:54.130 --> 00:45:56.210
was having that problem with teams. So I don't have
899
00:45:56.250 --> 00:45:57.250
my shadow in chat.
900
00:45:57.809 --> 00:45:58.949
OK, he's in the chat room.
901
00:45:59.130 --> 00:46:01.230
Cool enough. Well, look, Jimmy, if you want to join in,
902
00:46:01.269 --> 00:46:02.630
you can. But I think I'm going to take a
903
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:05.719
quick break. You want to get some coffee or something?
904
00:46:05.739 --> 00:46:08.309
Because I got to pee. And that's going to take
905
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a couple minutes.
906
00:46:09.090 --> 00:46:11.170
I'm good. But we can take a break if you want.
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That's fine. Yeah, because I'm not moving so well again
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because I fell over. Messed up thing. I reached for
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something in my chair, and it's a little bent out
910
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of shape. And my chair went over, and I slammed
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on the ground, and it just jacked up my back again.
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So now I'm back to, you know, like three-inch steps.
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And I'm pushing myself up with the cane as I'm
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walking again. So I'm back to trying to get back
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to walking. And if it wasn't for a friend yesterday,
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I would have to suffer for like 12 hours at
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least before I got any sort of pain relief. And
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I don't even have good painkillers, by the way. I'm
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talking over-the-counter crap. I just couldn't afford it. So I
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remind you once again that we are listener-supported, and even
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Real history that you were never taught in schools?
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around 9.01 p.m. Eastern Time in the U.S. Now, some
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people might be watching the baseball playoffs at this point.
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There's a couple left. Isn't there, B.
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Pete? Yeah, wild cards going on right now. Yankees beat
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Boston the other night, so Boston's out of it. I
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haven't looked at the standings. Hockey is back in season.
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We're in the third game of the season now. In fact,
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the Hurricanes, the reigning champions, are getting their ass waxed
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by the Capitals.
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Wow.
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What else is going on?
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We've got some football stuff happening, right?
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Yeah, well, NFL's cranked up. Yeah, college football's cranked up.
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This is a good time to be a sports fan.
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Right. And, you know, it's weird, this wildcard thing, because
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I'm a little confused by it because they keep expanding
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these playoffs. You know, when I was a kid, it
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was pretty simple. The East and the West of the
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NL and the AL got together and played out a
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seven game series. And then the winners of each of
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those played each other in the World Series. Right. It
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was pretty simple.
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Right.
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No longer is it like that because you've got the
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wild card contention, which involves all these teams, right? It's
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not just the fourth-place finisher, done, that's it. There's wild
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card contention. And occasionally there's a one-game playoff if they
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have the same record, right?
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So it can get even bigger.
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Look at that.
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Look at the National League. The division leaders right now
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are the Brewers, the Dodgers, and the Braves. Uh-huh. Brewers
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got 103 wins, 59 losses. So they're in the lead.
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There's 12 wildcard teams.
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Right.
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Just in the National League.
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That's what I'm saying. It's nuts.
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It's nuts. Let me look at the American League. I
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thought the Red Sox were out when they lost to
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the Yankees the other night.
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Well, it's a three-game series. And I could have swore
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they only had time so far to play two, right?
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So they could be out.
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All right, let's look at what the schedule is, see
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who the hell's playing.
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Maybe I should open up my browser and get the
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standings up, too.
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Okay, no, we'll see, because we're already in the division
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series tomorrow.
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Okay.
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So we've got the American League, you've got the White
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Sox versus the Guardians, and then in the National League,
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you've got the Braves. versus the dodgers and then in
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the american league divisions the other division you've got the
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yankees versus the rays and then in the national league
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you got the padres against the brewers so we're finally
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down the league division okay okay so.
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We're down to four teams now right yeah okay so
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well eight teams eight teams eight teams so there's four
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sets of games going on Right. Okay. Okay. Fair enough.
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But that means that eventually, once these two are done,
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then each of them will play for National League and
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American League championships in the next stage.
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Right.
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It'll be the division playoff.
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Right. And then we go to the World Series. But
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that's what I'm saying. We are now currently at a
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spot that didn't even exist, like I said, when I
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was a kid.
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Right?
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The next phase... Oh, yeah.
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I mean, but it's that way with all of the leagues. Even,
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I mean, look at college basketball. You used to have
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the tournament in the spring... And now that's expanded to what,
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68 teams?
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Yeah, that's crazy.
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I mean, it's getting ridiculous. It's like, okay, well, you know,
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what we're going to do is we're going to have
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a season. And at the end of the season, whoever's
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in the lead, they get a bye week. And we
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let all the other ones play each other. four times
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and we take the winners of those well three times
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has to be odd three or five right and they
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almost create another season just with.
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Playoffs well that's what i was going to say it's
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like the second season now instead of playoff games it's
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the second season you know what i mean it's crazy
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because think about that the minimum amount of games that
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you'd have to play to get through from wild card
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all the way to world series win right is let's see,
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you got to win. Let's just say you had a
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full-blown schedule as a wildcard team. You might have a
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wildcard playoff, which is one game. So there's one. Then
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you have a three-game playoff, which means you have to
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win two out of three. So there's three altogether, right?
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Then you enter a five-game playoff where you got to
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add three more games. We're up to six. Then you
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enter a seven-game playoff where you have to win a
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minimum of four. So now we have tens. Then you
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have four more games that you need to win to
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win the World Series. Fourteen games minimum if you have
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a full-blown wildcard climb into the World Series and win
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it by sweeping every single playoff level. Fourteen games. So,
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I would say 14 to 20 games are possible for
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a playoff season with baseball, right? I mean, does that
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sound logical to you? Yeah, it's... I'm trying to find
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the historical.
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Dates when it got kicked back even further. Because used to,
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by the first week of October, you were halfway through
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the series. And now we're not even at the division
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00:58:48.980 --> 00:58:49.659
playoffs yet.
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Right. And that's because, you know, and if you remember
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when you were much younger and I was a kid,
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Reggie Jackson was Mr. October for this reason. Yeah, because
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that's when everything got done by like, you know, mid-October,
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you were done. The World Series was over.
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Yeah. You know, they've added a month to the playoffs
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because the first World Series game began on October 1st, 1903. Right.
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And this year is not scheduled to start until October 24th. Right.
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With the last game planned on the 1st of November.
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You shouldn't be playing freaking baseball in November. Right.
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Well, they extended the playoff thing, first of all. But
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they also extended the season. It wasn't always 160 games, neither.
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You know, that's the other thing, right? 162 or whatever
1117
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it is they do. It wasn't that. 162 it is.
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Yeah.
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It wasn't that. And the moment that they added this,
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you know, central division to baseball, that's when it went crazy.
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Because now you had three National League divisions, three American
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League divisions, and they balanced it out by creating, you know,
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the extra wild cards. So then that way you have
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four winners on each side. Okay. And this way you
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have to minimally go through what we're about to go
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through now, where you have four teams or you have
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four games that need to be played. You know, four
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separate matches, let's say, that have to be played, which
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are in series. Okay. You know, it's crazy. And to
1130
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:23.739
be honest with you, I don't even think three games
1131
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:25.960
is a fair series for baseball.
1132
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:31.070
Well, reading this, I discovered something I did not know.
1133
01:00:31.340 --> 01:00:42.010
Back in, when was it? They went to 12 games. Okay,
1134
01:00:42.110 --> 01:00:44.590
it was from 1919 to 1921, they went to a
1135
01:00:44.630 --> 01:00:47.409
best of nine instead of a best of seven. Okay.
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01:00:48.849 --> 01:00:51.550
That's two more games.
1137
01:00:51.590 --> 01:00:55.420
Don't be surprised if they don't try to revive that.
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Here's the greed of it all. It's because each one
1139
01:00:58.179 --> 01:01:02.260
of these teams gets to charge way more money for
1140
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:05.900
playoff games right that's additional revenue.
1141
01:01:05.500 --> 01:01:11.469
From tickets to concessions to advertising time and merchant yeah
1142
01:01:11.510 --> 01:01:12.469
it all goes price.
1143
01:01:12.309 --> 01:01:14.710
All goes up yeah all the prices go up and
1144
01:01:14.769 --> 01:01:17.150
now it creates opportunities you know we were the wild
1145
01:01:17.190 --> 01:01:19.809
card champions we were the division champions we were the
1146
01:01:20.230 --> 01:01:22.989
national league champions and you can print a t-shirt and
1147
01:01:23.010 --> 01:01:26.210
a hat and everything else for each one of these Right. And,
1148
01:01:26.250 --> 01:01:28.469
you know, you can print special baseball cards and you
1149
01:01:28.510 --> 01:01:31.920
can print, you know, special jerseys. And, oh, they only
1150
01:01:31.940 --> 01:01:35.719
wore this jersey during the series, you know, et cetera,
1151
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.519
et cetera. And then even more money for the. And
1152
01:01:38.539 --> 01:01:40.719
by the way, they even make fake World Series rings.
1153
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:44.869
Have you seen these fake World Series rings? Oh, my God.
1154
01:01:45.449 --> 01:01:48.349
So now they have like replica World Series rings, everything,
1155
01:01:48.949 --> 01:01:53.750
you name it. OK, it's gone well beyond those weird
1156
01:01:54.230 --> 01:01:59.730
baseball bat mugs. Have you seen the baseball bat mugs? Well,
1157
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:04.880
you know, it's surprising to me because so many people
1158
01:02:04.940 --> 01:02:09.280
abandoned baseball after that one big strike. And they were
1159
01:02:09.539 --> 01:02:13.840
they became the losing major sports, you know, business for
1160
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:16.989
a little bit because they were, you know, the national pastime,
1161
01:02:17.070 --> 01:02:20.570
all that stuff. The NFL built and went around them.
1162
01:02:20.610 --> 01:02:23.409
And even NASCAR was more popular than baseball for a bit.
1163
01:02:24.690 --> 01:02:27.329
You know, as far as a national fan base, they
1164
01:02:27.349 --> 01:02:30.289
depleted their fan base with those strikes and the replacement
1165
01:02:30.329 --> 01:02:32.809
players and all that nonsense with the umps and everything
1166
01:02:32.909 --> 01:02:36.869
else where, you know, everybody was after money and nobody
1167
01:02:36.909 --> 01:02:39.250
wanted to give up ground while they were jacking up
1168
01:02:39.289 --> 01:02:43.429
prices on everybody else in the world. You know, they
1169
01:02:43.449 --> 01:02:47.190
were arguing over their percentages of the big cut. And
1170
01:02:47.329 --> 01:02:49.400
it pissed so many people off. Like I said, they
1171
01:02:49.420 --> 01:02:51.460
started doing other things. It just said, screw it. I
1172
01:02:51.500 --> 01:02:53.699
won't even follow baseball anymore for a little bit.
1173
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:57.500
I've read several articles, I don't know, past six months
1174
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:01.070
where they're talking about how all of major league sports
1175
01:03:01.449 --> 01:03:04.449
are starting to price themselves out of fans.
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01:03:04.829 --> 01:03:05.070
Yeah.
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01:03:05.190 --> 01:03:06.929
It's just going to be the super rich that can
1178
01:03:06.969 --> 01:03:09.789
afford the tickets. I mean, the tickets, you know, they
1179
01:03:09.809 --> 01:03:13.139
had trouble buying. selling out the first part of the
1180
01:03:13.179 --> 01:03:16.929
season for the hurricanes last year because of attendance well
1181
01:03:16.969 --> 01:03:20.030
now because they won the championship for the second time
1182
01:03:20.570 --> 01:03:25.309
in 20 years um they they're sold out they announced
1183
01:03:25.389 --> 01:03:27.250
it the other day that they were sold out of
1184
01:03:27.269 --> 01:03:30.630
tickets so now the price is if you want to
1185
01:03:30.710 --> 01:03:33.110
buy tickets you know the guy with the guy that
1186
01:03:33.130 --> 01:03:36.199
bought two tickets or four tickets for his family and
1187
01:03:36.219 --> 01:03:38.039
they don't go every night so they put the ones
1188
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:40.820
that they're not going to use up on auction sites
1189
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:44.159
are making a killing now right it's ridiculous what people
1190
01:03:44.179 --> 01:03:47.650
are having to pay to go watch professional sports anymore right.
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01:03:47.570 --> 01:03:49.989
And and that's the thing and then they they price
1192
01:03:50.050 --> 01:03:54.130
people out of even tv viewing you know oh yeah.
1193
01:03:53.909 --> 01:03:56.849
By putting it on these on cable or you know
1194
01:03:57.090 --> 01:04:01.230
um nascar used to be half the season was on
1195
01:04:01.670 --> 01:04:04.539
nbc the other half of the season was on fox
1196
01:04:04.659 --> 01:04:09.320
which was something that Used to, once a network got
1197
01:04:09.409 --> 01:04:11.409
the season for that year, all the games were on
1198
01:04:11.429 --> 01:04:14.269
that network. Then they got smart. Hey, we can break
1199
01:04:14.309 --> 01:04:17.030
it into half seasons and have them bid against each
1200
01:04:17.130 --> 01:04:20.179
other for the half of the season. So if one
1201
01:04:20.219 --> 01:04:21.980
station wants to carry it all, they're going to pay
1202
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:25.300
through the nose. to get the second half that they
1203
01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:27.099
didn't get in the first bidding.
1204
01:04:27.460 --> 01:04:31.889
It's ridiculous. And then they atomized it even further by saying, okay, look,
1205
01:04:32.030 --> 01:04:34.650
NBC can have the game of the week on Sundays
1206
01:04:34.730 --> 01:04:37.610
or whatever, like with baseball, because seven days a week
1207
01:04:37.630 --> 01:04:40.530
there's baseball one way or another, right? Not every team
1208
01:04:40.550 --> 01:04:43.010
plays seven days a week, but there's baseball seven days
1209
01:04:43.050 --> 01:04:45.969
a week for quite a few months. So they were like, well,
1210
01:04:46.010 --> 01:04:48.789
Sunday night baseball can go here. You know, much like
1211
01:04:48.849 --> 01:04:53.659
Monday night football was on ABC broadcast forever. You know,
1212
01:04:53.739 --> 01:04:57.880
ever since they created it, it was literally created by
1213
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:02.039
the TV networks. Right. And that that was part of
1214
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.440
the way things were played. But, you know, the NFL
1215
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:08.980
went international and so did the NBA, where they started
1216
01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:13.789
marketing themselves to people not even here. And started pricing out,
1217
01:05:13.969 --> 01:05:16.570
you know, even their cheap fans who were sitting at
1218
01:05:16.610 --> 01:05:19.559
home and watching the games and still buying their merchandise
1219
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:21.380
and still going for, you know, I'm going to go
1220
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:24.619
to a special game once, twice a year. They totally
1221
01:05:24.659 --> 01:05:27.579
knocked those people out. And the Mets were worse at
1222
01:05:27.619 --> 01:05:31.710
it than anything up where I lived because when they
1223
01:05:31.750 --> 01:05:35.349
built Citi Field, all of a sudden your ticket prices
1224
01:05:35.409 --> 01:05:38.960
from Shea to Citi Field were tripled. And you still
1225
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:40.280
had to go way the hell out of your way
1226
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:42.300
to get there. You know, it sucks trying to get
1227
01:05:42.340 --> 01:05:45.929
there by mass transit, just like anything else. I mean,
1228
01:05:46.269 --> 01:05:48.050
all of the things that would have allowed it to
1229
01:05:48.090 --> 01:05:51.050
be accessible to a lot of other people, even when
1230
01:05:51.130 --> 01:05:53.710
I applied to go get, you know, special tickets, because
1231
01:05:53.730 --> 01:05:55.969
you can, if you're a blind person, get special tickets
1232
01:05:56.010 --> 01:05:59.250
to sporting events in a lot of cases. They were
1233
01:05:59.289 --> 01:06:03.539
still quoting me 200 bucks a ticket, you know, which
1234
01:06:03.699 --> 01:06:04.199
I'm like, $ 200, right?
1235
01:06:07.030 --> 01:06:09.699
Well, think about it. Just to show you how lucrative
1236
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:15.920
it is, for years, Notre Dame football was the TV draw.
1237
01:06:16.500 --> 01:06:19.360
And they draw so much money now from TV rights
1238
01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:23.320
just for Notre Dame football that for a while they
1239
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:27.989
didn't want to join a conference in college football because
1240
01:06:28.030 --> 01:06:30.849
they didn't want to have to share that revenue that
1241
01:06:30.869 --> 01:06:33.650
they're making off an exclusive for their games. I don't
1242
01:06:33.670 --> 01:06:36.389
know who has it now. Maybe it's either NBC or CBS,
1243
01:06:36.449 --> 01:06:40.480
I think. is carrying their Notre Dame football. But, you know,
1244
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:44.800
and this has been going on for 50 years. They've capitalized.
1245
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:48.989
A college now has capitalized on that and been able
1246
01:06:49.050 --> 01:06:52.309
to make whatever they want for the year. What's our
1247
01:06:52.329 --> 01:06:53.610
goal for the year? I don't know. We need to
1248
01:06:53.650 --> 01:06:57.110
pull in this much. All right. Tell the TVs, you know.
1249
01:06:57.130 --> 01:06:58.030
That's a real cost.
1250
01:06:58.230 --> 01:07:01.869
Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. I mean, the amount of money
1251
01:07:01.949 --> 01:07:05.349
that is swapped hands on professional sport. That's why I
1252
01:07:05.369 --> 01:07:08.130
quit going to NASCAR races. I got tired of paying
1253
01:07:08.130 --> 01:07:12.369
$ 75 for a ticket. You know, it's ridiculous. Right.
1254
01:07:12.510 --> 01:07:16.019
And at one time, that was like the cheapest, you know,
1255
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:19.599
bigger sport was NASCAR. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was the
1256
01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:20.179
way to go.
1257
01:07:20.219 --> 01:07:23.019
You know, anywhere from when we first started going, we
1258
01:07:23.059 --> 01:07:25.780
were paying. Well, it's just like rock concerts. You know,
1259
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:29.530
I remember going to see major bands for $ 12.
1260
01:07:28.570 --> 01:07:28.809
Right.
1261
01:07:28.929 --> 01:07:30.750
You know, the last tickets I bought was to an
1262
01:07:30.769 --> 01:07:32.449
Elton John concert, and they were $ 180 apiece.
1263
01:07:34.670 --> 01:07:37.210
Yeah, and that's real cheap nowadays.
1264
01:07:37.250 --> 01:07:40.710
Man, that was nosebleed section. We were in the Dean Dome,
1265
01:07:41.190 --> 01:07:48.610
the actual next to last seat in the ceiling for $ 180.
1266
01:07:47.489 --> 01:07:52.090
If the lady beside me had not had binoculars, I
1267
01:07:52.130 --> 01:07:54.389
would not have known the guy playing the piano was
1268
01:07:54.469 --> 01:07:56.380
Elton John. Of course, you know, they have a big screen.
1269
01:07:57.119 --> 01:08:01.699
You could basically put a body double on stage. And
1270
01:08:01.739 --> 01:08:04.219
then just play whatever you want on the big screens,
1271
01:08:04.260 --> 01:08:06.380
and that's what people are paying attention to. They're so
1272
01:08:06.420 --> 01:08:06.920
far away.
1273
01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:09.340
Yeah, they could have played you a video of two
1274
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:12.400
nights ago's concert and just piped the sound through. You
1275
01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:13.380
wouldn't have known the difference.
1276
01:08:14.019 --> 01:08:17.340
No, but luckily she had binoculars. I said, do you
1277
01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:20.989
mind if I borrow those a minute? I'm sitting there looking. Finally,
1278
01:08:21.010 --> 01:08:23.260
I gave him back, and she goes, it's him, isn't it?
1279
01:08:23.310 --> 01:08:26.050
I said, yeah, but I had to see because I've
1280
01:08:26.069 --> 01:08:28.090
never been this far away from a damn stage in
1281
01:08:28.130 --> 01:08:31.109
my life. We were in the nosebleed section.
1282
01:08:31.409 --> 01:08:32.229
I thought they.
1283
01:08:32.100 --> 01:08:34.479
Were going to open the door. At the end of
1284
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:36.479
the stairs, there was a door that went out on
1285
01:08:36.500 --> 01:08:38.000
the roof. I thought they were going to open the
1286
01:08:38.060 --> 01:08:40.199
door and take us out there for our seats.
1287
01:08:41.029 --> 01:08:44.930
Oh, my God. I have sat at the top of
1288
01:08:44.989 --> 01:08:48.539
a stadium before. There used to be the Brendan Byrne Arena,
1289
01:08:48.579 --> 01:08:53.420
which was at the Meadowlands, and that's a fairly small arena,
1290
01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:56.189
generally speaking. That's where the Devils played for a long time.
1291
01:08:56.229 --> 01:08:58.250
I don't know where they're playing now, but that's where
1292
01:08:58.270 --> 01:09:00.220
the Devils played, and that's where the Devils played. where
1293
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:03.180
a lot of concerts were in New Jersey. They were
1294
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:06.720
either at the Meadowlands or at what was called the
1295
01:09:06.779 --> 01:09:10.920
Garden State Art Center, which was an outdoor venue. But
1296
01:09:10.939 --> 01:09:13.140
I got a little spoiled there because those were sort
1297
01:09:13.180 --> 01:09:17.789
of small venues in comparison to some of these major things. Now,
1298
01:09:17.850 --> 01:09:21.520
when I went to Giant Stadium, OK, which, you know,
1299
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:25.920
that's in the Meadowlands also, the Meadowlands sports complex. But
1300
01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:28.930
the indoor thing was it was an arena, you know,
1301
01:09:28.939 --> 01:09:31.270
like I say, built for hockey and basketball and stuff
1302
01:09:31.310 --> 01:09:35.909
like that. The New Jersey Nets played there and like that.
1303
01:09:35.989 --> 01:09:38.590
But the Giants Stadium, because the New York Giants did
1304
01:09:38.630 --> 01:09:43.510
play in New Jersey, that thing, you know, you couldn't
1305
01:09:43.529 --> 01:09:46.859
necessarily see who was on a stage. If you were
1306
01:09:46.939 --> 01:09:49.460
way up in the upper deck, you know.
1307
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:52.739
And I can imagine that about stadiums, you know, stadiums
1308
01:09:52.810 --> 01:09:55.069
are so big that if you're buying cheap seats, you know,
1309
01:09:55.090 --> 01:09:58.069
you're in the end zone and you almost have to
1310
01:09:58.109 --> 01:10:02.130
have somebody drone your drinks into you. It takes so
1311
01:10:02.189 --> 01:10:04.640
long to get anywhere down to a concession stand. You're
1312
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:07.140
so far away. I mean, it's like walking city blocks.
1313
01:10:08.220 --> 01:10:11.239
Well, because by the time the guy with the drinks
1314
01:10:11.300 --> 01:10:13.859
walks up there, he's out of drinks because everybody caught
1315
01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:16.409
him on the way up. I mean, you know.
1316
01:10:17.470 --> 01:10:21.140
It's bad. Now, I did. There's two places. One, I
1317
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:24.340
went to see a Bad Company concert at Norfolk Scope.
1318
01:10:25.189 --> 01:10:28.140
And Norfolk was, the scope was built for basketball.
1319
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:28.840
Okay.
1320
01:10:28.859 --> 01:10:32.239
That's back when the Carolina Cougars, the old ABA teams. And,
1321
01:10:32.659 --> 01:10:36.119
you know, so it was designed for a sporting event.
1322
01:10:36.579 --> 01:10:40.479
The acoustics were horrible. Right. But it was my only
1323
01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:43.079
chance to see Bad Company, so I went. And it
1324
01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:45.520
was really one of the best sounding. They went in
1325
01:10:45.590 --> 01:10:49.010
before the show and hung acoustic panels in that place. Right.
1326
01:10:49.449 --> 01:10:51.529
And it took the rattle out of everything. I mean,
1327
01:10:51.569 --> 01:10:53.770
it was really, it was one of the best concerts
1328
01:10:53.810 --> 01:10:57.899
I've seen. The other was being able to watch something
1329
01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:02.720
in Dorton Arena. where all of the old Southern wrestling
1330
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:06.539
matches took place. It was up on the complex there
1331
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:10.159
in Raleigh, where North Carolina State University is. It was
1332
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:12.899
basically at the fairgrounds. They built Dorton Arena.
1333
01:11:14.529 --> 01:11:17.949
That's a small arena, though, designed for people to look
1334
01:11:17.989 --> 01:11:20.510
at what's in the center of the place.
1335
01:11:20.529 --> 01:11:23.890
To watch a wrestling match there was amazing.
1336
01:11:24.090 --> 01:11:24.789
Right, not bad.
1337
01:11:24.890 --> 01:11:27.710
It's one of those things that nobody is ever going
1338
01:11:27.729 --> 01:11:28.710
to experience again.
1339
01:11:29.270 --> 01:11:31.789
Well, no, now that the territories are gone and, you know,
1340
01:11:31.829 --> 01:11:37.250
you basically have the WWE worldwide domination of that. No,
1341
01:11:37.310 --> 01:11:39.489
you're never going to get that sort of, you know,
1342
01:11:39.689 --> 01:11:43.899
intimate setting with your wrestling anymore. You know, I've talked
1343
01:11:43.939 --> 01:11:47.439
about some of the wrestling shows in in Asbury Park
1344
01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:51.479
at Convention Hall. And, you know, the Convention Hall is
1345
01:11:51.500 --> 01:11:54.180
a very small place. It was designed a long time ago.
1346
01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:58.939
You know, for for stuff like this, for boxing and
1347
01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:02.979
things like that. So not a large place, even the
1348
01:12:03.020 --> 01:12:06.520
worst seats in the house. You could still even me.
1349
01:12:06.659 --> 01:12:08.569
I could tell kind of what was going on in
1350
01:12:08.609 --> 01:12:11.369
the worst seats in the house and that place at
1351
01:12:11.609 --> 01:12:16.949
house concerts and everything since the 60s. Matter of fact,
1352
01:12:17.010 --> 01:12:20.609
one of my most favorite soundboard recordings of Black Sabbath, coincidentally,
1353
01:12:20.649 --> 01:12:23.989
was at Asbury Park. Uh, you know, and it's in 1976, uh,
1354
01:12:24.270 --> 01:12:29.510
and it's the same damn building. I mean, you know, they,
1355
01:12:29.829 --> 01:12:31.789
or it was anyway, up until, I don't know, since
1356
01:12:31.810 --> 01:12:35.899
they gentrified, maybe they fixed it up, but convention hall
1357
01:12:35.949 --> 01:12:41.310
was like, you know, only holds maybe maximum capacity with a,
1358
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:44.579
with a, a small wrestling ring in it. It might
1359
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:46.220
hold 10,000 people. Maybe.
1360
01:12:46.859 --> 01:12:52.079
Maybe. I'll be honest with you. The best concerts, the
1361
01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:56.380
best band acts that I've listened to have all been
1362
01:12:56.619 --> 01:12:59.960
in old, abandoned movie theaters.
1363
01:13:00.699 --> 01:13:01.060
Oh, yeah.
1364
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:05.010
Because you get just the acoustics in the place. The
1365
01:13:05.050 --> 01:13:09.369
high stage, you know, where you can get your lighting
1366
01:13:09.569 --> 01:13:15.090
up out of the way. It's just, for sound, there's one...
1367
01:13:16.260 --> 01:13:18.539
in a town, not far from here that they, the
1368
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:20.539
art center tried to take it over and do something
1369
01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:22.420
with it and eventually had to demolish the building. It
1370
01:13:22.460 --> 01:13:25.319
was in such bad shape, but the bands that I
1371
01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:27.859
heard play in there, it's just amazing. The sounds, because
1372
01:13:27.899 --> 01:13:30.979
I mean, those places were built for good acoustics, right?
1373
01:13:31.220 --> 01:13:33.399
You know, and everybody wondered why are the drapes on
1374
01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:36.420
the walls? Well, that's what absorbs all the crap you
1375
01:13:36.460 --> 01:13:37.020
don't want to hear.
1376
01:13:37.390 --> 01:13:37.819
That's right.
1377
01:13:37.979 --> 01:13:40.149
And, uh, when they go in and they, and they
1378
01:13:40.189 --> 01:13:43.229
fully restore one of those things, there was, um, in fact,
1379
01:13:43.270 --> 01:13:48.449
I did lighting on, um, a weather report concert and
1380
01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:50.819
a theater that they had turned over in Norfolk and
1381
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:53.899
completely rebuilt. And that was, that was a cool experience.
1382
01:13:53.939 --> 01:13:57.020
I got to meet Jacko Pistorius before he passed away.
1383
01:13:57.159 --> 01:14:00.229
You see now those old theaters though were designed so
1384
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:05.529
that you could have stage actors, right? Without microphones. And they,
1385
01:14:05.609 --> 01:14:08.989
you know, they had to project properly, but they could
1386
01:14:09.029 --> 01:14:14.050
be heard throughout the theater and, With no amplification whatsoever.
1387
01:14:14.069 --> 01:14:16.130
I had that same experience of what they call the
1388
01:14:16.170 --> 01:14:18.109
Count Basie Theater or what they used to call the
1389
01:14:18.149 --> 01:14:20.350
Count Basie Theater in Red Bank when I played there.
1390
01:14:20.989 --> 01:14:24.510
Very large stage. It was designed, again, for, you know,
1391
01:14:24.609 --> 01:14:26.069
for you to be able to wheel in and out,
1392
01:14:26.270 --> 01:14:30.729
you know, sets for plays and everything. Right. And things
1393
01:14:30.770 --> 01:14:33.420
like that. But also it had an orchestra pit, which was,
1394
01:14:33.500 --> 01:14:36.720
you know, designed for guess what? An orchestra. And you
1395
01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:39.600
had orchestral music or even opera could be heard quite
1396
01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:42.779
well in there, etc., So, you know, when we go
1397
01:14:42.819 --> 01:14:47.220
in there with amplification, it sounded great, you know, because
1398
01:14:47.260 --> 01:14:50.390
of all that stuff. And a lot of times, like
1399
01:14:50.630 --> 01:14:53.050
when George Carlin would come through, he'd play Count Basie
1400
01:14:53.130 --> 01:14:55.399
and he played the Strand Theater and stuff like that.
1401
01:14:55.939 --> 01:14:59.960
Those were great venues for music. Um, but also great
1402
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:03.000
venues for all kinds of things, right? Those old theaters,
1403
01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:07.699
because again, they're designed, you know, they're, they're designed with these,
1404
01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:11.020
you know, super high ceilings and yet you're not lost
1405
01:15:11.090 --> 01:15:14.090
in the cavern because of the, uh, the work that
1406
01:15:14.130 --> 01:15:16.850
they did over the years, you know, controlling the acoustics
1407
01:15:16.890 --> 01:15:20.470
of the place. So yeah, that's an absolute, that's absolutely true,
1408
01:15:20.510 --> 01:15:24.449
you know? Um, but I don't know. I think those
1409
01:15:24.510 --> 01:15:26.689
things are fading more and more because people don't have
1410
01:15:26.750 --> 01:15:30.539
the same sort of, uh, you know, fascination with the
1411
01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:33.520
live event. Cause nowadays you can just, you know, go
1412
01:15:33.619 --> 01:15:35.579
on the internet and see what it's like to see
1413
01:15:35.619 --> 01:15:36.140
a concert.
1414
01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:40.060
Right. Well, yeah, that, and well, like we've got, um,
1415
01:15:40.539 --> 01:15:44.880
there's a theater that they redid up in, in Durham and, uh,
1416
01:15:46.140 --> 01:15:49.319
they have the Durham performing art series and that, and, um,
1417
01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:54.890
you know, the artists that come in there, um, it's like,
1418
01:15:54.930 --> 01:16:01.390
they've almost priced themselves, uh, out of business for tickets.
1419
01:16:01.699 --> 01:16:01.949
Right.
1420
01:16:02.670 --> 01:16:05.529
Um, you know, some artists, yeah, you'll give a bunch
1421
01:16:05.569 --> 01:16:07.590
of money to, I'll be honest with you. One of
1422
01:16:07.609 --> 01:16:10.670
the best concerts I ever heard was Patty Loveless at
1423
01:16:10.770 --> 01:16:14.760
a auditorium at a community college and the show that
1424
01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:16.399
she put on, she put on an hour and a
1425
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:21.090
half show. Um, and it was just her and her band, uh, No,
1426
01:16:21.869 --> 01:16:24.470
no lead in act or anything. And it was amazing.
1427
01:16:24.529 --> 01:16:26.770
I think a dollar that cost us eight bucks for tickets.
1428
01:16:27.109 --> 01:16:27.390
Right.
1429
01:16:27.569 --> 01:16:33.680
You know, so. I don't know. It's it's too expensive
1430
01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:36.970
for me now. to blow a bunch of money on
1431
01:16:37.010 --> 01:16:39.630
going on concerts simply because tickets have gotten $ 100 and
1432
01:16:39.710 --> 01:16:44.090
over in a lot of cases. And to me, it's
1433
01:16:44.109 --> 01:16:46.340
just not worth it. I got their album. I can
1434
01:16:46.380 --> 01:16:48.300
put it on. I've played it a thousand times. It
1435
01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:51.399
cost me $ 8 when it came out, $ 9.
1436
01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:54.060
And I'll tell you the truth. Steven Van Zandt, you
1437
01:16:54.100 --> 01:16:56.000
know little Steven, right? You know who I'm talking about?
1438
01:16:57.090 --> 01:16:57.310
Yeah.
1439
01:16:57.899 --> 01:17:00.149
I was watching something with him where he was talking
1440
01:17:00.210 --> 01:17:04.130
about when he first got the job as an actor
1441
01:17:04.210 --> 01:17:07.510
on The Sopranos, right? He had never acted before. But
1442
01:17:07.550 --> 01:17:09.250
he was a member, for those of you that don't know,
1443
01:17:09.289 --> 01:17:11.250
Stephen Van Zandt was a member of the E Street
1444
01:17:11.310 --> 01:17:13.430
Band with Bruce Springsteen and all that, and he's a
1445
01:17:13.449 --> 01:17:17.800
Jersey guy, etc. But he was, and he played Silvio
1446
01:17:18.149 --> 01:17:23.760
on The Sopranos. Also was in a miniseries called Lilyhammer,
1447
01:17:24.420 --> 01:17:28.399
where he plays yet another sort of mob guy. And
1448
01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:32.319
it's kind of interesting. Anyways. Um, Sylvia Dante.
1449
01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:33.300
Was that a series?
1450
01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:35.470
Yeah. Lily hammer was a series. Yep.
1451
01:17:36.050 --> 01:17:37.149
I hadn't, I haven't seen that.
1452
01:17:38.229 --> 01:17:39.310
Yeah. He winds up.
1453
01:17:39.590 --> 01:17:39.770
Yeah.
1454
01:17:39.810 --> 01:17:43.590
He winds up in Lily hammer, like in witness protection
1455
01:17:43.670 --> 01:17:47.649
kind of, uh, or, or like escaping from the mob
1456
01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:51.579
and go into that weird area. And, uh, it, you,
1457
01:17:51.619 --> 01:17:54.060
you gotta watch the way the story unfolds. It's, it's comical.
1458
01:17:54.079 --> 01:17:57.680
It's hilarious to me. Um, but, uh, and I didn't
1459
01:17:57.720 --> 01:17:59.439
expect to like it because people said, oh, you got
1460
01:17:59.460 --> 01:18:01.279
to see Lilyhammer for a couple of years. And as
1461
01:18:01.300 --> 01:18:05.390
soon as people start doing that, I automatically am resistant. But, uh,
1462
01:18:05.460 --> 01:18:07.359
I finally did sit and watch it because it just
1463
01:18:07.399 --> 01:18:09.239
happened to be on one of the things I had,
1464
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:13.239
you know, access to and, uh, pretty cool. Actually. Um, I'm,
1465
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:17.630
I'm almost disappointed that it was limited. Uh, but anyways,
1466
01:18:18.670 --> 01:18:21.670
Lilyhammer is interesting, but Steven Van Zandt was talking about,
1467
01:18:21.770 --> 01:18:24.899
you know, the earlier days of rock and roll. uh,
1468
01:18:25.020 --> 01:18:27.260
which he, you know, when he was with the East
1469
01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:31.479
street band and they first started getting success in the seventies, uh,
1470
01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:34.069
cause it was before born in the USA. I mean,
1471
01:18:34.109 --> 01:18:38.449
that's what broke, you know, Bruce Springsteen into an international, uh, star,
1472
01:18:38.970 --> 01:18:41.529
but he was definitely a rock star in the seventies already.
1473
01:18:42.130 --> 01:18:43.899
And the East street band was a big part of it.
1474
01:18:45.699 --> 01:18:49.760
And little Steven there is, you know, talking about different things.
1475
01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:52.060
He says, you know, I used to go see these
1476
01:18:52.140 --> 01:18:55.770
big bands and, you know, not just the big bands
1477
01:18:55.819 --> 01:18:59.590
of today come through these little venues in Jersey, like
1478
01:18:59.670 --> 01:19:05.119
roller skating rinks and high school gyms. And that is
1479
01:19:05.189 --> 01:19:08.350
something that went away where like, I mean, I even
1480
01:19:08.390 --> 01:19:12.310
worked like a show with Chuck Berry where, you know,
1481
01:19:12.350 --> 01:19:14.670
Chuck Berry and a whole bunch of guys from that era,
1482
01:19:15.329 --> 01:19:17.390
most of them, you know, you barely heard of, but
1483
01:19:17.829 --> 01:19:19.189
Chuck Berry was the headliner.
1484
01:19:19.250 --> 01:19:19.449
Right.
1485
01:19:20.350 --> 01:19:23.829
And they would play a high school gym and get
1486
01:19:23.970 --> 01:19:29.550
incredible sound, give, give a heartfelt performance, everything right for
1487
01:19:29.630 --> 01:19:30.220
dirt cheap.
1488
01:19:30.729 --> 01:19:31.100
True. True.
1489
01:19:31.949 --> 01:19:34.250
Um, but he was talking about going and seeing like,
1490
01:19:34.289 --> 01:19:37.609
you know, bands at roller skating rinks and things. Um,
1491
01:19:38.329 --> 01:19:41.220
and he said, that's really where rock and roll belongs anyway,
1492
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:44.750
is in a venue like that. That's not designed for it.
1493
01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:47.359
And yet it works out anyway, because the band is
1494
01:19:47.420 --> 01:19:50.399
so great. And that was the thing about it being
1495
01:19:50.470 --> 01:19:53.210
unusual because he was talking about the unusual way that
1496
01:19:53.229 --> 01:19:58.899
the Sopranos came together. Because HBO had, you know, sort
1497
01:19:58.939 --> 01:20:01.220
of experimented a bit with, you know, the longer term
1498
01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:04.439
TV shows with Oz and stuff. Oz came before The Sopranos,
1499
01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:09.220
but The Sopranos changed TV quite a bit. And one
1500
01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:12.149
of the weird things is these non-actors that were introduced
1501
01:20:12.189 --> 01:20:15.850
into that show as actors and the odd way that
1502
01:20:15.890 --> 01:20:18.869
David Chase wrote for them. And he was just talking
1503
01:20:18.890 --> 01:20:20.670
about that and the nature. It was sort of like
1504
01:20:20.710 --> 01:20:24.420
a rock and roll show, he felt like. And they
1505
01:20:24.500 --> 01:20:26.899
actually rejected him, even though he read for a bunch
1506
01:20:26.939 --> 01:20:30.520
of parts, Little Steven. They almost made him Tony Soprano.
1507
01:20:31.380 --> 01:20:36.489
But HBO, like, you know, vetoed it. So they wrote
1508
01:20:36.569 --> 01:20:40.529
the part of Silvio Dante specifically for Little Steven so
1509
01:20:40.550 --> 01:20:42.470
he could be part of the show because David Chase
1510
01:20:42.550 --> 01:20:45.390
wanted him to be part of the show so bad. Plus,
1511
01:20:45.449 --> 01:20:48.340
it was supposed to be Jersey centric. So a member
1512
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:50.699
of Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band. Yeah, you got to
1513
01:20:50.739 --> 01:20:52.319
kind of keep that guy in there if you can.
1514
01:20:53.890 --> 01:20:55.390
And a bunch of other things there, too. There's a
1515
01:20:55.430 --> 01:20:57.909
lot of background on some of the actors on that show.
1516
01:20:58.989 --> 01:21:01.369
A lot of them are from New Jersey. Yeah, go ahead.
1517
01:21:01.569 --> 01:21:03.350
You bring that up, and I think about some of
1518
01:21:03.390 --> 01:21:06.109
the latest stuff that I've read about Bruce Springsteen and
1519
01:21:06.170 --> 01:21:10.689
how he's so much different than where he came from
1520
01:21:10.949 --> 01:21:13.529
and how he got his start, that he's a totally
1521
01:21:13.590 --> 01:21:16.430
different person now. And it's almost like it's gone to
1522
01:21:16.470 --> 01:21:17.329
his head or something.
1523
01:21:17.449 --> 01:21:18.010
Well, it's true.
1524
01:21:18.050 --> 01:21:18.670
It's a shame.
1525
01:21:19.069 --> 01:21:22.960
It's true. Because he was not a leftist. He was
1526
01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:26.159
not a left-wing guy. Everybody who was in the generation
1527
01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:27.380
previous to me in New Jersey.
1528
01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:30.600
Well, he may have been left-wing on some things, but
1529
01:21:30.619 --> 01:21:32.989
you never knew because he never discussed it.
1530
01:21:33.300 --> 01:21:33.520
Right.
1531
01:21:33.579 --> 01:21:35.359
And that's the problem with a lot of these stars
1532
01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:38.960
coming out now. Who's the guy? Mark Ruffalo, who played
1533
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:39.399
the Hulk.
1534
01:21:39.739 --> 01:21:39.899
Right.
1535
01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:43.369
And suddenly he's the spokesman for every bleeding heart on
1536
01:21:43.409 --> 01:21:46.350
the left side, no matter what the subject is. And
1537
01:21:46.409 --> 01:21:49.409
it's like, you know, who was it that came out?
1538
01:21:51.100 --> 01:21:52.569
Who was it that came out with the book and
1539
01:21:52.590 --> 01:21:53.930
they caught a lot of hell for it? But the
1540
01:21:53.989 --> 01:21:55.649
title of the book was Shut Up and Sing.
1541
01:21:55.670 --> 01:21:57.170
Yeah.
1542
01:21:57.229 --> 01:22:00.149
Somebody was complaining about some singer bringing their politics on
1543
01:22:00.229 --> 01:22:01.850
stage and that. And there have been a lot of
1544
01:22:01.909 --> 01:22:05.699
people recently that have started walking out on the great.
1545
01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:07.560
Bruce.
1546
01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:14.060
It's... You wonder what snaps or at what point do
1547
01:22:14.100 --> 01:22:17.960
they feel comfortable enough with enough money that they can say,
1548
01:22:18.539 --> 01:22:20.560
I don't care how many of my fans I piss off.
1549
01:22:20.619 --> 01:22:22.979
I'm going to just talk about what I, you know,
1550
01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:25.989
it's kind of narcissistic to me to get on stage
1551
01:22:26.010 --> 01:22:29.750
and talk about your political leanings. When some guy who
1552
01:22:29.789 --> 01:22:33.810
grew up listening to you buying those record albums, buying
1553
01:22:33.829 --> 01:22:37.439
those concert tickets, buying your merch suddenly has to get
1554
01:22:37.479 --> 01:22:41.159
a lecture from you. It's just a sad state of affairs.
1555
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:44.899
No, absolutely agreed upon. And look, I, I accept that
1556
01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:48.220
Bruce Springsteen is part of the iconography of New Jersey,
1557
01:22:48.300 --> 01:22:52.279
but I was never a Springsteen fan. And in my generation,
1558
01:22:52.340 --> 01:22:54.680
it's really weird because I played all the same clubs
1559
01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:57.920
he did and all that stuff. So like his legacy
1560
01:22:58.000 --> 01:22:59.819
was all around, right?
1561
01:22:59.979 --> 01:23:02.500
I'm not cutting him any slack. I mean, he was
1562
01:23:02.539 --> 01:23:05.699
a good artist. The only album of his I bought
1563
01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:06.810
was tunnel of love album.
1564
01:23:07.149 --> 01:23:07.470
Okay.
1565
01:23:07.619 --> 01:23:10.189
And, uh, And that's it. I mean, out of my
1566
01:23:10.229 --> 01:23:12.819
vast collection, I've got one Bruce Springsteen album and there's
1567
01:23:12.859 --> 01:23:14.800
only a few songs on there that I like.
1568
01:23:15.060 --> 01:23:16.739
Yeah, but I'm just saying it was like, you know,
1569
01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:19.279
the fact that I mean, when we would contact people
1570
01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:20.220
from other countries.
1571
01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:20.699
Right.
1572
01:23:21.819 --> 01:23:23.579
Like when I was going to go play in Canada.
1573
01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:24.350
Right.
1574
01:23:24.430 --> 01:23:28.619
I'm talking to somebody who speaks, you know, French Canadian. Uh, and, uh,
1575
01:23:28.770 --> 01:23:30.930
over the phone and the, and they're like, Oh, New Jersey,
1576
01:23:30.989 --> 01:23:33.810
Bruce Springsteen, Bruce Springsteen, you play stone pony, you know,
1577
01:23:34.210 --> 01:23:36.409
that he knows in English. And I'm going, yeah, I
1578
01:23:36.449 --> 01:23:38.250
play the stone pony all the time. I ain't nothing
1579
01:23:38.270 --> 01:23:42.250
like Bruce Springsteen pal. Um, you know, and, and that's
1580
01:23:42.270 --> 01:23:44.550
the thing. So his legacy was all over the place.
1581
01:23:44.649 --> 01:23:49.770
And even among, let's just call it my parents' generation. Uh,
1582
01:23:50.109 --> 01:23:53.159
you know, the generation that was 10 to 20 years
1583
01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:56.560
to 30 years older than me in that slot. They
1584
01:23:56.779 --> 01:23:59.590
all had if they grew up in New Jersey and
1585
01:23:59.689 --> 01:24:02.470
around that area in the Neptune Asbury Park area, they
1586
01:24:02.689 --> 01:24:05.590
all had a Bruce Springsteen story. You know what I mean?
1587
01:24:05.710 --> 01:24:08.109
Like they all knew him. They didn't all know him.
1588
01:24:08.229 --> 01:24:11.329
That's the key here, guys. But, you know, it seemed
1589
01:24:11.369 --> 01:24:13.069
like everybody knew him because it was sort of like
1590
01:24:13.109 --> 01:24:15.560
a collective hero for the area even.
1591
01:24:16.699 --> 01:24:21.989
You know, it's funny. I was after I left, sold
1592
01:24:22.029 --> 01:24:24.569
all my shares in the ball team here. I went
1593
01:24:24.609 --> 01:24:29.170
down to Charlotte and I was doing some. off-season ticket
1594
01:24:29.229 --> 01:24:36.390
sales for Francis Crockett, who Jim Crockett's daughter. She owned
1595
01:24:36.409 --> 01:24:40.189
the Charlotte Minor League Club. She still had all the
1596
01:24:40.409 --> 01:24:45.920
investments in the wrestling and everything else. Occasionally, we'd have
1597
01:24:46.220 --> 01:24:48.359
one of these wrestlers walk into office because they had
1598
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:52.619
to get up with Francis over something. I was staying
1599
01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:58.619
with a friend with a couple and another girl who
1600
01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:02.020
were friends of the girl I was dating when they
1601
01:25:02.060 --> 01:25:04.760
were in college. So I had to go to Charlotte.
1602
01:25:04.979 --> 01:25:06.739
I didn't want to have to start paying hotel rent
1603
01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:08.760
and all that because I was only there like three days,
1604
01:25:08.819 --> 01:25:11.579
four days a week. So I would stay with them.
1605
01:25:12.300 --> 01:25:14.479
And one of the girls that lived there, her claim
1606
01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:20.220
to fame was her brother was the guy who gave
1607
01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:25.489
Bruce Springsteen the red flag. cap ball cap that he
1608
01:25:25.550 --> 01:25:27.390
had in his back pocket on.
1609
01:25:27.310 --> 01:25:32.529
Born in the usa album cover right okay yeah it.
1610
01:25:32.510 --> 01:25:34.810
Was her brother's cap that made it on the on
1611
01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:38.319
the cover you know well at least you got something
1612
01:25:38.779 --> 01:25:41.399
you can claim you know somebody famous you know.
1613
01:25:41.300 --> 01:25:45.140
What's hilarious go ahead and google uh like ask ask
1614
01:25:45.180 --> 01:25:47.699
the google ai about that red cap and about how
1615
01:25:47.739 --> 01:25:50.520
many where that red cap came from i bet you're
1616
01:25:52.529 --> 01:25:54.970
That's what I was going to tell you. I heard
1617
01:25:55.029 --> 01:25:59.239
stories of that was my red cap. I gave it
1618
01:25:59.279 --> 01:26:03.020
to him. We sold it to him. You know, like
1619
01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:07.359
everything we we sold Nils Lofgren's.
1620
01:26:06.840 --> 01:26:10.010
Been around more than than most world airliners.
1621
01:26:10.100 --> 01:26:13.430
Oh, yeah. Between that and. OK, so little Steven used
1622
01:26:13.470 --> 01:26:16.109
to wear because he's, you know, balding. Right. And that's
1623
01:26:16.130 --> 01:26:19.630
why he wears the toupee is Silvio Dante. Um, he
1624
01:26:19.670 --> 01:26:22.069
wore a bandana over his head, right? You know, like
1625
01:26:22.090 --> 01:26:25.390
the do rag kind of looking thing. So everybody talked
1626
01:26:25.430 --> 01:26:27.569
about who gave him the do rag, who taught him
1627
01:26:27.590 --> 01:26:31.729
to tie a do rag. Nils Lofgren had headbands. He
1628
01:26:31.750 --> 01:26:33.529
was another guy who played in the, in the East
1629
01:26:33.550 --> 01:26:37.569
street band. Right. So another guy who had like all
1630
01:26:37.609 --> 01:26:42.659
kinds of stories. And even then there were knock around
1631
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:45.300
musicians that were still playing in bars in the eighties
1632
01:26:45.380 --> 01:26:49.149
and nineties. Um, And, you know, these guys were actually
1633
01:26:49.189 --> 01:26:50.960
in the E Street Band before they were called the
1634
01:26:51.020 --> 01:26:54.619
E Street Band. Hey, these guys were members of, and
1635
01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:57.479
Bruce Springsteen had a heavy metal band briefly called Steel Mill.
1636
01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:04.520
These guys were in the Steel Mill Band. The Federici brothers,
1637
01:27:05.689 --> 01:27:09.430
they were two, Vinnie and whatever, two Italian guys, were
1638
01:27:09.489 --> 01:27:13.529
supposedly like the core of five of Springsteen's bands before
1639
01:27:13.550 --> 01:27:18.050
he got a success. The Lopez brothers also, these guys
1640
01:27:18.270 --> 01:27:22.569
were Puerto Rican, but so it wasn't all Italians. And
1641
01:27:22.600 --> 01:27:25.439
of course, Clarence Clemens, who later on became Mok Shagoon
1642
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:31.800
when he made a religious conversion. You know, the sax player,
1643
01:27:31.939 --> 01:27:36.829
Clarence Clemens. OK, well, people had stories about every member
1644
01:27:36.869 --> 01:27:39.880
of that band. Of course. All up and down the
1645
01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:42.979
Jersey Shore because that's a narrow area. Yeah, go ahead.
1646
01:27:43.220 --> 01:27:46.060
Yeah, we were lucky in this area because we had
1647
01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:50.579
two bars. One was in One Direction 30 Minutes, which
1648
01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:53.539
at one time was the number– I think it was
1649
01:27:53.579 --> 01:27:57.300
the number three nightclub in the south. But it was
1650
01:27:57.359 --> 01:28:04.310
only because of East Carolina University. The attic was– known
1651
01:28:04.529 --> 01:28:07.550
everywhere i mean it was i've seen people from jersey
1652
01:28:07.609 --> 01:28:09.989
and other places coming down here oh yeah we've been
1653
01:28:10.010 --> 01:28:12.369
to the attic yeah no i we were able to
1654
01:28:12.449 --> 01:28:16.060
see bands come through and they were so familiar with
1655
01:28:16.100 --> 01:28:19.359
the area that eventually we had like small concerts this
1656
01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:21.840
one in stonington stables they had uh what was it
1657
01:28:21.899 --> 01:28:26.619
nantucket and uh molly hatchett Well, there were seven bucks.
1658
01:28:26.859 --> 01:28:29.739
There were independent and there were independent concerts that were
1659
01:28:29.760 --> 01:28:33.970
held outdoors in North Carolina for bands like mine that
1660
01:28:34.010 --> 01:28:37.289
passed through that nobody really knew so that we could
1661
01:28:37.329 --> 01:28:39.170
get down to some of the other weird gigs that
1662
01:28:39.210 --> 01:28:41.680
we did in the South. Because I actually, at one point,
1663
01:28:41.720 --> 01:28:44.039
I was in a band that played in between strippers
1664
01:28:44.220 --> 01:28:46.659
in clubs in the South. It was a weird situation.
1665
01:28:48.899 --> 01:28:50.420
And by the way, you don't want to be the
1666
01:28:50.479 --> 01:28:52.880
band in between the strippers. I want to tell you
1667
01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:55.399
guys that. If that ever occurs again in history, don't
1668
01:28:55.439 --> 01:29:00.859
do it. Because they hate you. They absolutely, the audience
1669
01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:05.710
that's there to see strippers and a band hates the band. Okay.
1670
01:29:05.750 --> 01:29:07.569
You're cutting into the strippers, Tom.
1671
01:29:08.409 --> 01:29:11.789
Damn right. Anyway, look, we got a caller and I'm
1672
01:29:11.810 --> 01:29:13.390
not sure how long he's been holding on, but I
1673
01:29:13.430 --> 01:29:17.149
want to get to him. But yeah, exactly. They hate you.
1674
01:29:17.550 --> 01:29:21.699
They will pelt you. Okay. Everybody's probably seen the Blues
1675
01:29:21.739 --> 01:29:25.300
Brothers who's listening to this show. Remember when they show
1676
01:29:25.460 --> 01:29:28.729
up at like the country bar and, And, well, we're
1677
01:29:28.750 --> 01:29:31.289
the good old boys, and they play rawhide six times
1678
01:29:31.890 --> 01:29:34.210
and all that, and people are smashing beer bottles up
1679
01:29:34.250 --> 01:29:38.899
against chicken wire. Yeah, in between the strippers, they slid
1680
01:29:38.909 --> 01:29:43.800
a chicken wire cage in front of us because guess what?
1681
01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:50.939
Sometimes partially full beer bottles were being smashed up against
1682
01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:54.109
the chicken wire. in front of my face while I'm
1683
01:29:54.149 --> 01:29:57.699
trying to sing. So just saying, don't be the band
1684
01:29:57.939 --> 01:30:02.199
in between the strippers. It's not a good scene. That
1685
01:30:02.239 --> 01:30:05.100
is my public service for tonight. Anyway, it looks like
1686
01:30:05.119 --> 01:30:07.060
Danny from California is on the phone, so I want
1687
01:30:07.079 --> 01:30:14.829
to get to him. We'll put our music conversation on hold. Oh, boy. Danny.
1688
01:30:16.369 --> 01:30:16.590
Yeah.
1689
01:30:17.029 --> 01:30:19.149
There you are. I don't know how long I had
1690
01:30:19.170 --> 01:30:20.479
you on hold, but how you doing, man?
1691
01:30:22.210 --> 01:30:26.949
Uh i've been busy not long not um not long
1692
01:30:27.010 --> 01:30:29.489
i haven't been a whole very long but um i'm
1693
01:30:29.550 --> 01:30:33.100
enjoying the conversation because you're talking about probably one of
1694
01:30:33.140 --> 01:30:36.600
my favorite musicians growing up that has to be bruce
1695
01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:41.199
springsteen i was a fan i was like a teenager
1696
01:30:41.220 --> 01:30:43.399
and it was greasy lake and the darkness on the
1697
01:30:43.439 --> 01:30:46.840
edge of town and i wore that that album out
1698
01:30:46.970 --> 01:30:52.680
but um I never realized until I picked up his autobiography,
1699
01:30:52.689 --> 01:30:56.180
Born to Run, which I read twice, that his parents
1700
01:30:56.560 --> 01:31:00.979
left New Jersey and they moved to Northern California. They
1701
01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:04.479
moved to San Mateo, to south of San Francisco.
1702
01:31:04.899 --> 01:31:06.260
And his father was.
1703
01:31:06.180 --> 01:31:10.789
A bus driver. He was a city bus driver. And
1704
01:31:11.170 --> 01:31:14.949
I'll just let you know, it's Bruce Springsteen's words, not mine.
1705
01:31:15.510 --> 01:31:17.630
He openly admits that he's a narcissist.
1706
01:31:18.270 --> 01:31:18.529
Yes.
1707
01:31:18.930 --> 01:31:21.949
As part of his narcissism, you know, he says he can't,
1708
01:31:22.810 --> 01:31:27.050
you know, he's so driven to perform and be attention.
1709
01:31:27.550 --> 01:31:32.489
He really credits his wife, Patty, for really, you know,
1710
01:31:33.270 --> 01:31:34.029
grounding him.
1711
01:31:34.689 --> 01:31:39.319
Yeah, he also not only has narcissism, but he has
1712
01:31:39.340 --> 01:31:42.779
a slightly inflated value system when it comes to his
1713
01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:46.720
wife and her talent, too. And that you learned that
1714
01:31:46.739 --> 01:31:50.409
you learned living in New Jersey, because anytime this guy
1715
01:31:50.430 --> 01:31:52.010
would go and do his, you know, I'm going to
1716
01:31:52.029 --> 01:31:55.170
go and actually perform for the people in a club. Well,
1717
01:31:55.189 --> 01:31:58.670
you know, after rock stardom, you always got his wife
1718
01:31:58.729 --> 01:32:02.609
shoved down your throat during those appearances, too. Just saying.
1719
01:32:03.409 --> 01:32:07.029
And I work security at some of those. But Bruce,
1720
01:32:07.289 --> 01:32:09.890
it's a weird it's a weird little patch of Jersey,
1721
01:32:09.930 --> 01:32:13.050
which is a small state to begin with. that gave
1722
01:32:13.109 --> 01:32:17.199
birth to some of the most interesting musicians, okay? The
1723
01:32:17.239 --> 01:32:22.239
Jersey Shore, not only Bruce Springsteen, everybody thinks of him, but,
1724
01:32:22.779 --> 01:32:25.310
you know, John Cafferty and the Bieber Brown Band, who
1725
01:32:25.369 --> 01:32:30.109
is the actual band that plays Eddie and the Cruisers music, okay,
1726
01:32:30.170 --> 01:32:35.279
for that movie. Yeah, those guys are from Jersey, too. Uh,
1727
01:32:35.869 --> 01:32:39.250
you know, and, and Zach Wild is from Jersey and
1728
01:32:39.350 --> 01:32:44.130
Cool in the Gang is also from Jersey. Okay. So, um,
1729
01:32:44.350 --> 01:32:47.090
there's a lot of interesting music and, and guess what?
1730
01:32:47.289 --> 01:32:51.970
Frank Sinatra. Okay. So, uh, just telling you that there
1731
01:32:52.029 --> 01:32:55.140
is an interesting group of people that came out of Jersey, uh,
1732
01:32:55.199 --> 01:32:57.699
when it comes to musicians, but I happen to be
1733
01:32:57.819 --> 01:33:02.479
steeped in the area. And, and unfortunately, John Bon, Bon Homo, Jovi,
1734
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:07.649
I can't stand that. handle him i i you know
1735
01:33:07.689 --> 01:33:10.729
what i i almost called him something much worse just
1736
01:33:10.770 --> 01:33:13.359
now i stopped myself and called him bon homo instead
1737
01:33:14.079 --> 01:33:16.880
you guys are jackass i i and you know what
1738
01:33:17.199 --> 01:33:19.899
i would normally default to supporting the guy because he's
1739
01:33:19.979 --> 01:33:23.399
actually italian his name is bon giovanni that's his real
1740
01:33:23.439 --> 01:33:28.319
name um but but anyway What a freaking loser this
1741
01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:30.859
guy is. I was more than happy to pelt him
1742
01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:32.899
in the back with a bottle of Rolling Rock on
1743
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:36.819
the Seaside Heights boardwalk one night, uh, right after he
1744
01:33:36.859 --> 01:33:39.779
became successful as a teenager. I pelted this son of
1745
01:33:39.819 --> 01:33:43.789
a bitch with a beer myself, uh, because he's such
1746
01:33:43.829 --> 01:33:46.789
a jerk off. Uh, but anyway, he came out of
1747
01:33:46.829 --> 01:33:50.250
that scene too. Um, you know, and, and the guys
1748
01:33:50.270 --> 01:33:52.170
from Skid Row and I mean, look, there's a lot
1749
01:33:52.210 --> 01:33:57.510
of them, um, But talented guys like John Cafferty, and
1750
01:33:57.699 --> 01:34:00.170
I have to say Bruce Springsteen is talented, although he's
1751
01:34:00.210 --> 01:34:04.109
not one of my favorites. But probably because, like I said,
1752
01:34:04.170 --> 01:34:07.369
I was steeped in this area where everybody had Springsteen stories.
1753
01:34:08.149 --> 01:34:09.729
And I don't know if you heard that part, but
1754
01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:12.159
it was like, do you know how many different stories
1755
01:34:12.220 --> 01:34:14.359
I heard about where that red hat came from in
1756
01:34:14.380 --> 01:34:15.199
his back pocket?
1757
01:34:16.359 --> 01:34:17.760
I did hear about the red hat.
1758
01:34:17.979 --> 01:34:19.399
Everybody had it.
1759
01:34:19.500 --> 01:34:21.810
It was in many a heads.
1760
01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:25.979
Yeah. It's many of people's different hats. They sold it
1761
01:34:26.020 --> 01:34:27.869
to him. They gave it to him. They told him
1762
01:34:27.909 --> 01:34:31.130
to do it. You know, this guy taught, you know,
1763
01:34:31.210 --> 01:34:33.729
little Steven had to tie his do rag. I mean,
1764
01:34:33.750 --> 01:34:37.529
I'm telling you another guy, you know, gave meals, his headbands. Yeah,
1765
01:34:37.550 --> 01:34:37.829
go ahead.
1766
01:34:38.630 --> 01:34:40.729
I don't, I don't, I don't know if this is
1767
01:34:40.829 --> 01:34:46.270
like nationwide, but being in the South and, and always
1768
01:34:46.550 --> 01:34:49.680
wearing baseball caps my whole life and being brought up
1769
01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:52.899
with them and, I've never known anybody to carry around
1770
01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:54.119
their cap in their back pocket.
1771
01:34:55.380 --> 01:34:56.039
No, me neither.
1772
01:34:56.060 --> 01:35:01.020
I don't know what the symbolism was. I mean, this
1773
01:35:01.079 --> 01:35:04.920
is Americana in his back pocket. It's like, dude, get real.
1774
01:35:05.300 --> 01:35:08.430
This was, you know what it is? It's a Jersey
1775
01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:14.649
version of redneckism is what it is. That's what that's
1776
01:35:14.689 --> 01:35:16.270
all about. That's why it had to be a pair
1777
01:35:16.329 --> 01:35:19.850
of jeans. You know what I'm saying? And all it's
1778
01:35:19.890 --> 01:35:23.670
a Jersey version of redneckism, which is is is really
1779
01:35:23.710 --> 01:35:28.229
a bad copy. You know, if you look at a
1780
01:35:28.270 --> 01:35:32.479
guy like little little Steven is a Jersey guy. OK,
1781
01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:36.840
that is a normal Jersey guy. Bruce Springsteen is not
1782
01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:40.279
a normal Jersey guy. I got to tell you, even
1783
01:35:40.319 --> 01:35:43.560
when he lived in Freehold, which is a fairly decent
1784
01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:46.880
town in Monmouth County, New Jersey, he had a house
1785
01:35:46.979 --> 01:35:50.329
out there. some of the richer people lived there briefly.
1786
01:35:50.369 --> 01:35:53.890
And also, uh, a little suburb of, believe it or not,
1787
01:35:53.949 --> 01:35:57.529
Red Bank, New Jersey called Little Silver, um, was another
1788
01:35:57.590 --> 01:36:01.479
rich area. Um, and Colts Neck as well, because, and
1789
01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:05.220
Colts Neck was, was known for raising horses, Colts, literally,
1790
01:36:05.779 --> 01:36:08.479
but these became very rich areas. And some of the
1791
01:36:08.539 --> 01:36:12.279
rock stars and stuff that had Jersey roots, you know,
1792
01:36:12.439 --> 01:36:16.449
went back and, um, And yes, that talk show host
1793
01:36:16.489 --> 01:36:20.369
lady that Kevin's messaging me, the talk show host lady
1794
01:36:20.430 --> 01:36:23.529
is also from Asbury Park as well. I can't remember
1795
01:36:23.590 --> 01:36:27.050
her name. The one that had the bulging eyes and
1796
01:36:27.090 --> 01:36:32.729
went crazy. Anyway, yeah. No, she's from. Yeah, she's from there, too.
1797
01:36:32.909 --> 01:36:37.510
But OK. Anyway, back to it. It's weird because these
1798
01:36:37.569 --> 01:36:42.010
are regular Jersey guys. Before Clarence Clemons became Mock Shagoon,
1799
01:36:42.670 --> 01:36:46.170
that was a normal Jersey guy. Nils Lofgren, kind of
1800
01:36:46.210 --> 01:36:52.260
the weird artsy fartsy normal Jersey guy. You know, but
1801
01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:57.840
Bruce Springsteen was not a normal Jersey guy, really. And
1802
01:36:58.020 --> 01:37:00.960
anybody that interacted with him, especially like in the 80s
1803
01:37:01.079 --> 01:37:03.760
or the later 70s and stuff, they could tell you
1804
01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:11.029
he was like unusual. So, you know, I'm not surprised
1805
01:37:11.130 --> 01:37:14.090
that he's speaking about his politics, but for years he didn't.
1806
01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:18.460
You know, he was smarter about it. Yeah.
1807
01:37:19.020 --> 01:37:24.279
For years, you know, it's only been what the past
1808
01:37:24.380 --> 01:37:28.729
maybe five that I've heard anything about his politicism on stage.
1809
01:37:28.810 --> 01:37:31.529
And really just the last year and a half is
1810
01:37:31.829 --> 01:37:34.449
where you hear the most of it because people are.
1811
01:37:35.369 --> 01:37:38.390
walking out of concerts and somebody else is taking notice.
1812
01:37:38.590 --> 01:37:40.189
Let me ask you any of this.
1813
01:37:40.250 --> 01:37:43.760
I never would have thought, you know, back in his heyday,
1814
01:37:44.340 --> 01:37:47.399
politics was never a thing. And that's the way it
1815
01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:51.020
was with a lot of these older entertainers now that are,
1816
01:37:51.579 --> 01:37:54.810
you know, they're past retirement age. Apparently they didn't shovel
1817
01:37:54.850 --> 01:37:57.149
enough money away or they didn't make enough off their
1818
01:37:57.270 --> 01:38:00.210
albums to be able to live. They're still having to work.
1819
01:38:00.609 --> 01:38:04.619
They think that, that people want to hear somebody when
1820
01:38:04.659 --> 01:38:08.079
they're 80 that doesn't sound anything like when they were
1821
01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:12.119
in their late 20s putting out music. There's some of
1822
01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:14.539
them that really need to say, hey, you're retired. It's
1823
01:38:14.579 --> 01:38:17.239
time to go home. You don't need to be on stage.
1824
01:38:17.279 --> 01:38:18.960
David Lee Roth, perfect example.
1825
01:38:19.470 --> 01:38:21.930
There's another. Yeah, but he's in bad shape. I mean,
1826
01:38:21.949 --> 01:38:24.010
the backup singers are doing most of the work now
1827
01:38:24.050 --> 01:38:26.949
with David Lee Roth. But anyway, I want to ask
1828
01:38:26.970 --> 01:38:31.319
Danny this because he proclaims to be a Springsteen. fan. So,
1829
01:38:31.560 --> 01:38:34.640
you know, I want to know what your view is on,
1830
01:38:34.699 --> 01:38:38.199
you know, Bruce and his politicking now. Also, we have
1831
01:38:38.239 --> 01:38:40.079
Jimmy James on the line, so I want to get
1832
01:38:40.119 --> 01:38:44.600
to him soon. But yeah, so Jimmy, hang on. But yeah,
1833
01:38:44.659 --> 01:38:48.050
I want to know what your thoughts are, unmolested, regarding
1834
01:38:48.130 --> 01:38:52.470
sort of the politicization of the Springsteen performances and him
1835
01:38:52.489 --> 01:38:55.289
starting to speak out. Because to my memory, and again...
1836
01:38:55.649 --> 01:38:57.569
He was very much shoved down my throat where I
1837
01:38:57.609 --> 01:39:01.039
grew up and I played the same clubs. And trust me,
1838
01:39:01.399 --> 01:39:03.680
at one point they even created what they called a
1839
01:39:03.739 --> 01:39:06.079
rock and roll museum in Asbury Park. And it was
1840
01:39:06.140 --> 01:39:08.800
all Springsteen crap, by the way. It was nothing but
1841
01:39:08.859 --> 01:39:15.909
him as if nothing else ever existed. So anyways, so
1842
01:39:15.970 --> 01:39:18.789
my point is, Danny, what is your thoughts purely as
1843
01:39:18.869 --> 01:39:23.149
a fan of Springsteen about his more recent being outspoken
1844
01:39:23.229 --> 01:39:24.560
sort of public persona?
1845
01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:29.779
I've seen him play several.
1846
01:39:29.420 --> 01:39:30.779
Times, and.
1847
01:39:32.270 --> 01:39:36.949
He would usually make a short speech somewhere in the show,
1848
01:39:37.029 --> 01:39:43.789
and it was usually about a local cause, usually pertaining
1849
01:39:43.829 --> 01:39:47.000
to poorer people in the neighborhood. It was not too long.
1850
01:39:47.060 --> 01:39:50.720
It was like, hey, get out there and support like, oh,
1851
01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:53.739
it might be some rehabilitation center or a food bank.
1852
01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:54.840
They were doing good work.
1853
01:39:56.979 --> 01:40:00.140
I mean, I would say a lot of his politics,
1854
01:40:01.060 --> 01:40:04.720
I'm in line with a lot of it, especially a
1855
01:40:05.439 --> 01:40:06.819
lot of his union talk.
1856
01:40:07.279 --> 01:40:08.479
I'm all in favor.
1857
01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:14.159
I mean, I have seen, I think it was Jackson
1858
01:40:14.199 --> 01:40:18.140
Brown a long time ago. He was talking stuff about
1859
01:40:18.239 --> 01:40:20.779
the Native Americans. I think most people were there for
1860
01:40:20.810 --> 01:40:25.439
the music. Some were receptive and some were unhappy, I think.
1861
01:40:25.460 --> 01:40:27.819
You're going to find that, you know, when you fill
1862
01:40:27.859 --> 01:40:30.260
an arena, you're going to have a lot of people
1863
01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:31.859
with a lot of different points of view. Some people
1864
01:40:31.899 --> 01:40:33.039
are going to, you know, if they want to get
1865
01:40:33.060 --> 01:40:35.050
up and walk out, they should walk out if that's
1866
01:40:35.090 --> 01:40:37.409
what really bothers them. But most people are going to
1867
01:40:37.449 --> 01:40:39.649
stay and enjoy it. But I've never seen him go
1868
01:40:39.869 --> 01:40:41.750
on too much of a tirade. You know, how much
1869
01:40:41.850 --> 01:40:46.869
is being said to feed the echo machines and loops?
1870
01:40:46.930 --> 01:40:49.850
You know, I don't know. I doubt his whole show.
1871
01:40:50.789 --> 01:40:55.109
is a whole political you know tirade but i mean
1872
01:40:55.130 --> 01:40:56.529
he puts on a good show it's a you know
1873
01:40:56.609 --> 01:40:59.029
three three and a half hours of him you know.
1874
01:40:58.949 --> 01:41:01.069
Playing yeah no money's worth.
1875
01:41:01.010 --> 01:41:03.170
It it used to be you know but when was
1876
01:41:03.189 --> 01:41:05.180
the last time you went because they used to be
1877
01:41:05.220 --> 01:41:07.960
marathon shows i don't know if he's capable of that
1878
01:41:08.279 --> 01:41:12.039
anymore uh or what's up because.
1879
01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:13.779
You know i'm trying to think last time i saw
1880
01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:15.039
spring thing um.
1881
01:41:16.859 --> 01:41:22.270
I saw him in Sacramento, and damn, it was probably
1882
01:41:22.289 --> 01:41:23.989
a little over three hours.
1883
01:41:24.329 --> 01:41:25.470
It was pretty good.
1884
01:41:26.550 --> 01:41:30.810
I was, you know, now, that was probably, I'm going
1885
01:41:30.829 --> 01:41:34.869
to say maybe ten years ago, maybe eight to ten
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01:41:34.909 --> 01:41:37.149
years ago, I guess.
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01:41:37.449 --> 01:41:39.520
Okay. So somewhere middle.
1888
01:41:39.539 --> 01:41:41.479
No, I mean, I haven't seen him recently. I haven't
1889
01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:44.750
seen him recently. It's probably been... Probably eight years, eight
1890
01:41:44.770 --> 01:41:46.270
to ten years since I've seen him.
1891
01:41:46.289 --> 01:41:50.000
Okay, because eight to ten years ago, he wasn't doing
1892
01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:55.579
what he's doing now, apparently. You know what I mean? So, look,
1893
01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:57.859
I know he used to do that, and also you
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01:41:57.899 --> 01:42:00.989
ingratiate yourselves to the locals when you do a big
1895
01:42:01.050 --> 01:42:02.569
show a lot of times, and a lot of them
1896
01:42:02.590 --> 01:42:05.630
screw it up. Like, you know, a lot of bands
1897
01:42:05.689 --> 01:42:07.750
used to come to Jersey and go, Hello, New York!
1898
01:42:07.949 --> 01:42:13.289
And we'd go... Oh, yeah. Jersey. Jersey.
1899
01:42:13.710 --> 01:42:16.189
I'm sure they start booing. Yeah, but, you know, he
1900
01:42:16.210 --> 01:42:18.770
did do a set where he did, I think it was,
1901
01:42:18.829 --> 01:42:20.649
I want to say he did like a Pete Seeger,
1902
01:42:20.970 --> 01:42:23.810
you know, acoustic set. And if you go with Pete
1903
01:42:23.869 --> 01:42:26.029
Seeger's politics, it kind of makes sense.
1904
01:42:26.329 --> 01:42:30.020
Okay. No, I understand that. But what I'm saying is
1905
01:42:30.140 --> 01:42:32.439
I think you might have seen him before he launched
1906
01:42:32.569 --> 01:42:35.140
into these larger tirades that he's doing now.
1907
01:42:35.779 --> 01:42:38.270
Yeah, no, I never saw him really go into, like,
1908
01:42:38.489 --> 01:42:42.170
what was currently happening in today's politics. Matter of fact, actually,
1909
01:42:42.189 --> 01:42:45.649
when I saw him, yeah, Obama was president, so yeah,
1910
01:42:45.689 --> 01:42:46.810
so it's been over 10 years.
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01:42:47.050 --> 01:42:50.069
Yeah, and he made, and he used to make, like,
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01:42:50.170 --> 01:42:53.800
general kind of, you know, like you said, look, go support,
1913
01:42:53.819 --> 01:42:56.619
you know, your food bank, almost like what BP does
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01:42:56.659 --> 01:42:58.180
at the end of the show, go support the local
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01:42:58.199 --> 01:42:59.500
food bank, you know, this kind of thing.
1916
01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:01.260
Yeah, it was kind of like, it was kind of
1917
01:43:01.279 --> 01:43:04.590
like that, but he would name, like, a specific local,
1918
01:43:05.310 --> 01:43:07.489
agency one or two and that was probably it was
1919
01:43:07.649 --> 01:43:10.170
short it was not like overwhelming but.
1920
01:43:10.289 --> 01:43:13.270
But again that but that is okay but that's typical
1921
01:43:13.350 --> 01:43:16.989
rock star theater right where you go hey man you
1922
01:43:17.029 --> 01:43:19.189
know what i like to go to the most you
1923
01:43:19.229 --> 01:43:23.989
know insert most popular bar for 100 miles around you
1924
01:43:24.029 --> 01:43:26.829
know into when you mention something on a stage right
1925
01:43:26.850 --> 01:43:29.810
and Um, you know, and Hey, uh, we know all
1926
01:43:29.850 --> 01:43:33.720
about the girls, especially over in Avon by the sea,
1927
01:43:34.220 --> 01:43:37.159
you know, like they, you know, they have no, no
1928
01:43:37.220 --> 01:43:39.319
idea what the hell they're saying, but somebody fed them
1929
01:43:39.380 --> 01:43:42.659
a line. Um, you know, stuff like that. They've always
1930
01:43:42.699 --> 01:43:44.890
done that. It's really hilarious. Like I said, when they
1931
01:43:44.909 --> 01:43:49.050
screw it up. And somebody has their information slightly wrong.
1932
01:43:49.710 --> 01:43:54.229
And like the crowd turns on him for it. That
1933
01:43:54.270 --> 01:43:56.350
happened to Tommy Lee in New Jersey, by the way.
1934
01:43:56.850 --> 01:43:59.090
He was one of those guys. Yeah, he went, hello,
1935
01:43:59.130 --> 01:44:02.390
New York. And people started throwing stuff at him. Yeah.
1936
01:44:03.829 --> 01:44:06.670
I was like, Dick, you're not in New York. Anyway.
1937
01:44:07.310 --> 01:44:11.130
It's kind of like getting your basketball games mixed up
1938
01:44:11.170 --> 01:44:12.670
from like Atlanta Hawks to.
1939
01:44:14.010 --> 01:44:16.189
Iowa Hawkeyes game something.
1940
01:44:15.810 --> 01:44:20.100
Like that it's like I like the Pennsylvania Knicks what?
1941
01:44:21.260 --> 01:44:26.760
what are you talking about? anyway but Danny I wanted
1942
01:44:26.779 --> 01:44:27.880
to get your view on it but I'm going to
1943
01:44:27.899 --> 01:44:29.800
put you on hold and see what Jimmy James has
1944
01:44:29.859 --> 01:44:32.710
to say but just hang on it sounds like you're
1945
01:44:32.729 --> 01:44:34.109
in the car so I know if you've got to
1946
01:44:34.149 --> 01:44:36.430
hang up or whatever that's cool but we'll keep.
1947
01:44:36.310 --> 01:44:38.729
You on hold thank you, thanks for having me on.
1948
01:44:38.789 --> 01:44:44.630
No problem, hang on let's see Jimmy, okay, I've gotten
1949
01:44:44.710 --> 01:44:46.880
over to you, but I wanted to finish that Bruce
1950
01:44:46.899 --> 01:44:49.020
Springsteen thing, and we're going to go to about around
1951
01:44:49.020 --> 01:44:52.859
10 after tonight anyway. So you got a little time.
1952
01:44:52.899 --> 01:45:01.739
What's on your mind, man? Holy crap, Jimmy.
1953
01:45:02.079 --> 01:45:03.020
Holy crap, Jimmy.
1954
01:45:03.390 --> 01:45:06.210
You are very quiet. My echo back from your phone
1955
01:45:06.270 --> 01:45:07.069
is louder than you.
1956
01:45:07.090 --> 01:45:08.020
Your phone is louder than you.
1957
01:45:08.029 --> 01:45:14.270
I don't know. And I just talked to Danny. He
1958
01:45:14.310 --> 01:45:15.109
was plenty loud.
1959
01:45:15.130 --> 01:45:18.970
I don't hear him at all. All I hear is
1960
01:45:19.010 --> 01:45:19.470
your echo.
1961
01:45:19.649 --> 01:45:25.489
Yeah, I vaguely hear Jimmy in the background. Oh, was
1962
01:45:25.529 --> 01:45:26.029
that music?
1963
01:45:27.149 --> 01:45:28.430
Yeah, it was off my computer.
1964
01:45:28.789 --> 01:45:33.680
Oh, oh. See, I just heard your echo back, and
1965
01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:35.659
I don't hear Jimmy. And I don't hear Jimmy.
1966
01:45:35.680 --> 01:45:36.520
Sorry.
1967
01:45:40.180 --> 01:45:44.420
Jimmy just said something. Yeah, he just said something. But
1968
01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:47.020
I don't understand what he said. Jimmy, try to call
1969
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:53.720
back in. Yeah, you know what? Try to call back in. Wait,
1970
01:45:53.800 --> 01:45:57.180
did he just do it? He might have just called
1971
01:45:57.199 --> 01:45:59.699
back in. Let's see. He might have just called back in.
1972
01:46:00.579 --> 01:46:01.560
Let's see if we got him.
1973
01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:02.319
Jimmy. Jimmy.
1974
01:46:07.500 --> 01:46:13.439
Jimmy. Hello? Jimmy James? You're live.
1975
01:46:15.399 --> 01:46:16.630
Oh, can you hear me now?
1976
01:46:16.890 --> 01:46:18.850
Oh, yes, I can. Can you hear me, Pete?
1977
01:46:20.569 --> 01:46:21.510
Yes, I've just heard him.
1978
01:46:21.829 --> 01:46:24.189
Excellent. Okay, now we heard you, Jimmy. Sorry. Go ahead.
1979
01:46:26.810 --> 01:46:31.819
Oh, yeah, well, fine here. See, I was listening. You
1980
01:46:31.840 --> 01:46:32.619
got the Murdo's.
1981
01:46:33.039 --> 01:46:33.159
Yep.
1982
01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:42.520
That was a crazy that was a crazy case right
1983
01:46:42.539 --> 01:46:44.939
jimmy and there's still more to come because the murder
1984
01:46:44.960 --> 01:46:47.510
case has been overturned but he's still you know working
1985
01:46:47.550 --> 01:46:49.970
on the appeal for the other thing and now there
1986
01:46:49.989 --> 01:46:52.310
might be that other stuff that bp was talking about
1987
01:46:52.369 --> 01:46:55.229
so looks like we haven't heard the last of the
1988
01:46:55.310 --> 01:46:59.939
story from the low country okay so go ahead what else.
1989
01:47:02.460 --> 01:47:07.710
Well now they can uh They should put the capital
1990
01:47:07.729 --> 01:47:12.489
punishment on them since they're going to bother to retry them.
1991
01:47:13.789 --> 01:47:15.170
I would put that on the plate.
1992
01:47:16.409 --> 01:47:16.770
Why not?
1993
01:47:18.050 --> 01:47:22.609
You know what? I generally object to capital punishment because
1994
01:47:22.630 --> 01:47:24.680
of the system, but I got to be honest with you.
1995
01:47:24.850 --> 01:47:28.539
If he's even remotely guilty of the crap he pulled
1996
01:47:28.600 --> 01:47:31.739
and the lives he destroyed, I don't object to them
1997
01:47:31.779 --> 01:47:35.899
putting the death penalty on the table for this guy. It's,
1998
01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:38.500
you know, case by case. And if he's even guilty
1999
01:47:38.680 --> 01:47:41.479
of half of what it is they're talking about, I
2000
01:47:41.520 --> 01:47:44.369
can't argue with you, Jimmy. I agree with you.
2001
01:47:45.210 --> 01:47:49.970
Well, he's a family annihilator. Of course he should get
2002
01:47:51.649 --> 01:47:55.270
the firing squad. Actually, he shouldn't get that. That's for
2003
01:47:55.300 --> 01:47:55.840
a soldier.
2004
01:47:55.880 --> 01:47:57.279
He should be hung by the neck.
2005
01:47:59.220 --> 01:48:04.430
I concur, sir. Okay. If he is indeed guilty of
2006
01:48:04.470 --> 01:48:07.689
what they claim he is guilty of, I can't fight
2007
01:48:07.729 --> 01:48:07.970
with you.
2008
01:48:13.970 --> 01:48:18.130
Well, now, let's see. Where's the NASA people?
2009
01:48:19.050 --> 01:48:27.979
Oh, no. What happened? in Massapequa? Tell me. The year 1935.
2010
01:48:27.979 --> 01:48:32.720
A neglectful watchman didn't latch the door. 175 monkeys led
2011
01:48:32.739 --> 01:48:44.239
by a monkey known as Al Capone. escaped the zoo.
2012
01:48:45.420 --> 01:48:48.140
And that was the night of the apes.
2013
01:48:50.720 --> 01:48:52.260
Bedlam.
2014
01:48:52.939 --> 01:48:53.739
Mayhem.
2015
01:48:58.199 --> 01:49:02.140
I'm probably the only one that finds this hilarious. Go ahead.
2016
01:49:02.579 --> 01:49:05.479
Keep telling them, Jimmy.
2017
01:49:07.819 --> 01:49:15.550
Oh, the scat flew that night, my friends. People woke
2018
01:49:15.699 --> 01:49:19.270
up and said, what the hell is going on here?
2019
01:49:19.289 --> 01:49:19.359
Yep.
2020
01:49:20.670 --> 01:49:23.250
Well, it's been a little oopsie.
2021
01:49:24.810 --> 01:49:29.109
Well, luckily, most of the crazy critters made their way
2022
01:49:29.149 --> 01:49:30.010
to trees.
2023
01:49:30.890 --> 01:49:32.550
And they got a lot of them back.
2024
01:49:34.050 --> 01:49:35.430
But not Al Capone.
2025
01:49:36.350 --> 01:49:36.470
Nope.
2026
01:49:36.489 --> 01:49:41.899
And not several of his henchmen. They disappeared, went into
2027
01:49:41.939 --> 01:49:48.470
the woods. Never to be seen, at least officially, again.
2028
01:49:48.489 --> 01:50:07.380
I love it. You got anything else, Jimmy? Well, let's see.
2029
01:50:08.180 --> 01:50:09.199
Let me think on that.
2030
01:50:09.439 --> 01:50:10.939
CP Pete's got something.
2031
01:50:10.979 --> 01:50:12.989
There was another thing that I did.
2032
01:50:13.409 --> 01:50:16.090
Well, no problem. I want you to know. I want
2033
01:50:16.109 --> 01:50:16.489
you to know.
2034
01:50:16.510 --> 01:50:17.930
Animals came up earlier.
2035
01:50:18.050 --> 01:50:20.789
My mind was wandering on a couple of things.
2036
01:50:20.909 --> 01:50:25.399
No problem. We were talking snakes earlier, but yeah, we
2037
01:50:25.439 --> 01:50:29.880
were adding to the wild kingdom collection, which by the way,
2038
01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:32.239
I've gotten a couple of pieces of feedback on that.
2039
01:50:33.109 --> 01:50:36.770
And apparently that's not a bad idea to do like
2040
01:50:36.930 --> 01:50:40.710
a nature show on here. Apparently, just like with you
2041
01:50:40.750 --> 01:50:46.329
guys and your unique points of view on nature. Apparently,
2042
01:50:46.430 --> 01:50:49.810
some people say they would listen to it, you know,
2043
01:50:49.909 --> 01:50:52.779
and I've actually gotten emails to that effect and a
2044
01:50:52.819 --> 01:50:55.960
couple of messages on X. Look, I'm going to I'm
2045
01:50:55.979 --> 01:50:57.819
going to open the lineup for Danny and let you
2046
01:50:57.840 --> 01:51:02.050
guys talk to each other. Cause we got about maybe
2047
01:51:02.050 --> 01:51:06.079
12 minutes left. And, and then I'm going to have
2048
01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:09.539
to go. But yeah, hang on. Let me see if
2049
01:51:09.579 --> 01:51:12.239
I can get Danny back on where the, there it is. Okay.
2050
01:51:13.159 --> 01:51:18.649
So Danny, any, any, listen, Jimmy James is out of stuff.
2051
01:51:18.689 --> 01:51:20.590
Maybe you got something else. And if not, we'll go
2052
01:51:20.609 --> 01:51:21.310
to BP.
2053
01:51:22.569 --> 01:51:25.090
I think that, I think.
2054
01:51:26.109 --> 01:51:26.689
It's great.
2055
01:51:27.010 --> 01:51:30.489
I mean, there's a story about these monkeys getting off.
2056
01:51:30.569 --> 01:51:33.609
It kind of, when I heard Al Capone, I was
2057
01:51:33.689 --> 01:51:36.699
thinking about Chicago the night the music died, but this
2058
01:51:36.779 --> 01:51:42.340
is Chicago or wherever the town was that monkeys escaped,
2059
01:51:42.420 --> 01:51:42.819
you know?
2060
01:51:44.659 --> 01:51:50.880
Massapequa is an area in New York also. Oh, okay. Yeah,
2061
01:51:51.050 --> 01:51:51.770
and I think there's a.
2062
01:51:51.739 --> 01:51:54.869
Couple of them. Isn't that where the Clintons moved to
2063
01:51:54.949 --> 01:51:57.189
after he got out of office, was Massapequa?
2064
01:51:58.409 --> 01:52:01.479
They might have gotten a house. That would be Long Island,
2065
01:52:01.520 --> 01:52:05.760
New York, what they call Long Island. That's where Massapequa is.
2066
01:52:06.779 --> 01:52:12.960
Yeah, that's where Hillary was able to qualify for the election,
2067
01:52:13.300 --> 01:52:14.819
even though she was a carpetbagger.
2068
01:52:15.329 --> 01:52:18.569
Absolutely true. Like how she became the senator from New York,
2069
01:52:18.609 --> 01:52:21.409
that killed me. But then again, you know, Bobby Kennedy
2070
01:52:21.449 --> 01:52:25.329
did the same thing, right? Where he became the senator from... Anyways...
2071
01:52:28.300 --> 01:52:31.770
It's a weird thing, though, because, yeah, I think that
2072
01:52:31.819 --> 01:52:35.470
is where she came out of. Massapequa. What was I
2073
01:52:35.510 --> 01:52:39.010
going to say? All right. Native American names all over
2074
01:52:39.050 --> 01:52:42.390
the place in New York and New Jersey survived as
2075
01:52:42.449 --> 01:52:45.750
town names and stuff, you know, which I always found interesting.
2076
01:52:45.770 --> 01:52:49.789
And I think we just lost Danny. But that's OK.
2077
01:52:49.970 --> 01:52:57.729
Anybody can call in 319-527-5016. So with that. Um, you know, Danny, uh, votes, uh,
2078
01:52:57.850 --> 01:53:00.569
yay on, uh, wild kingdom. So we might have to
2079
01:53:00.609 --> 01:53:03.510
figure out a way to develop that. But, uh, BP,
2080
01:53:03.529 --> 01:53:06.130
you got anything else while Jimmy James is conjuring something
2081
01:53:06.170 --> 01:53:06.550
else up?
2082
01:53:07.470 --> 01:53:09.590
No, I've just been sitting here kind of scanning some
2083
01:53:09.630 --> 01:53:12.659
headlines from yesterday's news. And I really don't see a
2084
01:53:13.859 --> 01:53:16.359
whole lot other than, you know, the petty crap from
2085
01:53:17.119 --> 01:53:18.640
all across the U S and Europe.
2086
01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:19.359
Right.
2087
01:53:19.579 --> 01:53:24.250
Um, kind of strange, although old France is on fire.
2088
01:53:25.250 --> 01:53:29.670
A lot of protests going on there with people that
2089
01:53:29.689 --> 01:53:30.829
came from somewhere else.
2090
01:53:31.649 --> 01:53:32.670
Okay.
2091
01:53:32.710 --> 01:53:38.550
Let's see. Yeah, Marseille's in flames. They were burning schools and... Apparently,
2092
01:53:38.689 --> 01:53:42.590
if you listen to the U.S. news reports, its students
2093
01:53:42.670 --> 01:53:46.689
are protesting conditions of schools. But if you listen to
2094
01:53:47.170 --> 01:53:50.600
Australian news and some of the Eastern news agency, Eastern
2095
01:53:50.659 --> 01:53:55.600
Asian news agency is just all out immigrant rioting. So,
2096
01:53:55.680 --> 01:53:57.659
you know, it's kind of hard to find that happy
2097
01:53:57.729 --> 01:54:00.640
in between between this like two extremes are being reported and.
2098
01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:03.479
I'm sure the real story is somewhere in between.
2099
01:54:03.899 --> 01:54:06.079
Well, I don't have access to it anymore, but there
2100
01:54:06.140 --> 01:54:11.779
was an in English network called France 24 that used to,
2101
01:54:12.439 --> 01:54:15.220
you know, be able to handle that, you know, very
2102
01:54:15.319 --> 01:54:20.399
French centric kind of news in a unique way. I
2103
01:54:20.439 --> 01:54:21.840
guess I'm going to have to check in with them
2104
01:54:21.880 --> 01:54:24.260
to see what the deal is, because every time I
2105
01:54:24.300 --> 01:54:28.189
see protests being reported on from France, it's always a
2106
01:54:28.229 --> 01:54:31.979
different story depending on where it's reported. you know, when
2107
01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:33.840
they had the yellow vest thing going on, what was
2108
01:54:33.880 --> 01:54:37.710
that one or two years ago, maybe three, you know,
2109
01:54:37.829 --> 01:54:40.930
and they were protesting because they, they thought they were
2110
01:54:40.949 --> 01:54:45.270
being worked too hard. Remember that? That's what we heard
2111
01:54:45.329 --> 01:54:47.289
in the U S but it was a totally different
2112
01:54:47.329 --> 01:54:50.869
story on that. France 24. It was a totally different
2113
01:54:50.909 --> 01:54:53.939
story in Asia, like you said, and a completely different
2114
01:54:53.979 --> 01:54:56.920
story in Europe. Like there was actually three different versions
2115
01:54:56.960 --> 01:54:59.960
of what was going on there. And they were shutting
2116
01:55:00.420 --> 01:55:04.430
shutting down major cities, those yellow vest protests, riots, whatever.
2117
01:55:06.470 --> 01:55:08.390
But I don't know if this is immigrants or if
2118
01:55:08.430 --> 01:55:11.569
this is an anti-immigrant thing or what at this point.
2119
01:55:12.390 --> 01:55:18.350
Well, I just went to France 24 and their lead story. Well,
2120
01:55:18.390 --> 01:55:21.590
let's see. Their lead story was about the guy. Remember
2121
01:55:21.670 --> 01:55:25.109
Kony down in the Central African Republic?
2122
01:55:25.939 --> 01:55:26.380
Oh, yeah, yeah.
2123
01:55:26.579 --> 01:55:29.979
The warlord, Kony. Apparently, he's 20 years on. He's still
2124
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active with his resistant army down there. But let's see
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what's happening in France. Let's click on that.
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Yeah.
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French media responds to Le Pen's Kevlar Sioux comments against
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investigative outlets. French unrest. Are we witnessing a new yellow
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vest movement?
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01:55:50.170 --> 01:55:51.949
See, yellow vests are still going on.
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01:55:52.510 --> 01:55:57.170
Yeah, amid French school protests, students seek respect, dignity, and
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01:55:57.210 --> 01:56:03.859
decent working conditions. Europe's balance of power shifts eastward. France
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01:56:03.939 --> 01:56:06.520
and Spain seek to reinforce their own positions. We do
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01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:09.140
have an interesting, though, thing came up I read the
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01:56:09.180 --> 01:56:13.659
other day. Turkey is really irritating a lot of people
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01:56:13.720 --> 01:56:17.310
right now. You know, they took over parts of... Cyprus
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01:56:17.369 --> 01:56:21.210
and Greece and have been occupying them for quite some time.
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01:56:21.810 --> 01:56:25.329
And apparently tensions are rising, which is going to pit
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01:56:25.949 --> 01:56:31.229
Turkey against a fellow NATO nation. And what is going
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01:56:31.260 --> 01:56:33.539
to be the result of that? And I'm thinking the
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01:56:33.579 --> 01:56:36.039
result of that is Turkey is about to get their
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01:56:36.220 --> 01:56:37.479
ass booted out of NATO.
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01:56:37.500 --> 01:56:42.989
Mm hmm. Well, I would not be surprised. Yeah. And
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01:56:43.069 --> 01:56:45.210
by the way, I think we have Danny back. So
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01:56:45.369 --> 01:56:47.149
I'm going to bring him back on and let him
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01:56:47.189 --> 01:56:50.689
talk to Jimmy. We got about five more minutes left.
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01:56:51.189 --> 01:56:54.180
You know what? Actually, Danny, hang on. And what we'll
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01:56:54.220 --> 01:56:57.479
do is we'll get the final thoughts and end the
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01:56:57.520 --> 01:57:00.720
show at a little bit after 10 after. So, Jimmy,
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what is your final thought for the week, sir? Picture it.
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01:57:09.220 --> 01:57:15.899
1850s, Secretary of War Jefferson Davis starts the Camel Corps.
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01:57:17.149 --> 01:57:26.210
He imports camels from all over. They begin their training
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01:57:26.350 --> 01:57:27.260
and they find.
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01:57:27.029 --> 01:57:29.539
Them somewhat useful in the desert.
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01:57:31.380 --> 01:57:35.960
In our west. But hey, railroads came along.
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01:57:37.020 --> 01:57:38.880
By the time the Civil War.
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01:57:38.659 --> 01:57:39.659
Came along, it.
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Was gone.
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01:57:43.189 --> 01:57:44.319
There was no need.
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For a snow-stinking camel court.
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01:57:47.430 --> 01:57:48.430
So they just let.
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01:57:48.289 --> 01:57:54.489
The bastards out. For the next 20, 30, 40 years,
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01:57:54.770 --> 01:58:00.829
all throughout the South and Southwest, particularly in Texarkana, rumors
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01:58:00.949 --> 01:58:07.810
persisted of strange creatures wandering around with red eyes, bizarre
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01:58:07.899 --> 01:58:09.970
looks and they.
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01:58:09.869 --> 01:58:19.689
Would spit at people. Well, that's that. Have a good one.
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01:58:20.029 --> 01:58:28.850
Peace. Oh, Jimmy, you are brilliant, my brother. The camel core.
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01:58:30.199 --> 01:58:31.039
Oh, my God.
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01:58:31.359 --> 01:58:35.659
I did not expect that was not on my bingo card. Danny.
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01:58:37.380 --> 01:58:42.710
Yeah, I want whatever he's drinking or smoking.
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01:58:44.609 --> 01:58:49.590
Oh, me too. Oh, me too.
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01:58:49.949 --> 01:58:50.789
That actually.
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01:58:53.220 --> 01:58:55.630
Wait, before you say anything, Danny, I got to thank
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01:58:55.689 --> 01:59:00.770
Jimmy for uplifting my spirits with the most unexpected thing
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01:59:01.050 --> 01:59:05.189
that I ever heard on this show from a caller.
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01:59:05.550 --> 01:59:08.149
Thank you. yeah go ahead danny.
2177
01:59:07.909 --> 01:59:12.130
Yeah you know i i've been giggling the whole time
2178
01:59:12.170 --> 01:59:13.850
i had to i had to go walk in i
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01:59:13.880 --> 01:59:16.340
had to go order a cheese steak for my wife
2180
01:59:16.460 --> 01:59:20.199
so okay um i'm trying to be the effect on
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01:59:20.359 --> 01:59:24.270
more than just on your show so yeah jimmy your
2182
01:59:24.350 --> 01:59:27.329
your uh your animal stories are great i really i
2183
01:59:27.390 --> 01:59:31.920
really um Yeah, that's a great thinking. I think everybody
2184
01:59:31.939 --> 01:59:35.239
should learn a lesson from Jimmy to think outside the
2185
01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:36.920
box because he's doing a great job.
2186
01:59:37.199 --> 01:59:40.850
Good job, Jimmy. I think we cannot have an Animal
2187
01:59:40.890 --> 01:59:43.630
Kingdom show. Even if Jimmy isn't the host, there must
2188
01:59:43.710 --> 01:59:46.750
be a Jimmy James report on the Animal Kingdom show.
2189
01:59:47.760 --> 01:59:48.140
Oh yeah.
2190
01:59:48.319 --> 01:59:49.039
It has to be.
2191
01:59:49.779 --> 01:59:52.520
I just, I just hear you. I've been to the,
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01:59:53.220 --> 01:59:56.130
to the Omaha zoo that, you know, it was at
2193
01:59:56.210 --> 01:59:59.729
Marlin Perkins and Jim, you know, you know, straight there
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01:59:59.750 --> 02:00:02.909
in Nebraska. It's a, it's a really nice zoo, but
2195
02:00:03.050 --> 02:00:05.050
I now have a whole new meaning that I can
2196
02:00:05.069 --> 02:00:08.060
just picture myself in that zoo. And Jimmy just kind
2197
02:00:08.100 --> 02:00:10.949
of tell one of them stories and, Maybe I'll find
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02:00:11.050 --> 02:00:13.310
one of them camels, you know, spit, you know, that
2199
02:00:13.329 --> 02:00:15.270
might be there. And I was like, I wonder if
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02:00:15.289 --> 02:00:16.869
that was Jefferson Davis.
2201
02:00:16.550 --> 02:00:18.130
Camels, you know, related.
2202
02:00:18.550 --> 02:00:19.170
I don't know.
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02:00:19.210 --> 02:00:19.409
Yeah.
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02:00:19.689 --> 02:00:21.510
I don't know if I could handle a day at
2205
02:00:21.550 --> 02:00:25.069
the zoo with Jimmy James, but I'd love to try. B. Pete,
2206
02:00:25.649 --> 02:00:28.739
you and I have driven through Texarkana. By the way, B.
2207
02:00:28.779 --> 02:00:31.140
Pete and I have driven through Texarkana together.
2208
02:00:31.159 --> 02:00:38.510
Oh, really? Texarkana. Oh, yeah. It's fun. Yeah.
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02:00:39.069 --> 02:00:39.489
Right, BP?
2210
02:00:39.590 --> 02:00:42.229
I knew somebody that moved there. They moved there, and
2211
02:00:42.270 --> 02:00:44.930
they said, I go, what is it? It's hot, and
2212
02:00:45.409 --> 02:00:48.250
it's cheap to live in. It's like hell.
2213
02:00:49.010 --> 02:00:50.949
It's a miserable place.
2214
02:00:51.029 --> 02:00:52.770
We drove through it. We might have stopped at a
2215
02:00:52.810 --> 02:00:55.699
gas station. BP, didn't we stop at a gas station
2216
02:00:55.760 --> 02:00:57.880
in Texarkana, or am I imagining things?
2217
02:00:58.159 --> 02:01:01.420
No, I think we stopped at that. It was the
2218
02:01:01.460 --> 02:01:04.500
last gasp of gas we got before we hit Texas.
2219
02:01:04.640 --> 02:01:06.560
There you go.
2220
02:01:06.579 --> 02:01:11.449
I told you. We used to live in New Orleans,
2221
02:01:11.510 --> 02:01:13.729
and that was probably the worst humidity I've ever lived
2222
02:01:13.750 --> 02:01:17.270
through in my life. Summertime was hell for four months,
2223
02:01:17.710 --> 02:01:18.289
five months.
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02:01:18.970 --> 02:01:22.069
I have to apologize, BP. I might have to cut
2225
02:01:22.109 --> 02:01:31.340
my mic. I can't stop laughing at the spinning camels.
2226
02:01:31.439 --> 02:01:34.479
I can't believe BP's talking straight right now because I
2227
02:01:34.520 --> 02:01:38.560
can't stop laughing at the spinning camels. Oh, my God.
2228
02:01:38.579 --> 02:01:41.319
Go ahead. You've lived my life. You've seen enough. You've
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02:01:41.340 --> 02:01:44.380
seen camels spit before. I didn't know llamas spit.
2230
02:01:44.739 --> 02:01:45.359
Yeah, they do.
2231
02:01:45.380 --> 02:01:47.600
They do as well. That's true.
2232
02:01:50.550 --> 02:01:53.430
They used to have one at Popcorn Park Zoo in Jersey.
2233
02:01:53.510 --> 02:01:56.689
And I forget what town it's in. It's in southern Jersey, though.
2234
02:01:57.890 --> 02:02:00.189
Popcorn Park Zoo, where they took in all kinds of
2235
02:02:00.250 --> 02:02:03.619
wounded animals and stuff. And you go there to see
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02:02:03.659 --> 02:02:05.770
the animals in the zoo and you feed them popcorn.
2237
02:02:05.779 --> 02:02:09.050
That's why it's called that. And they had, yeah, they
2238
02:02:09.069 --> 02:02:10.529
had a camel and they also.
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02:02:15.350 --> 02:02:17.239
Sorry, I can't stop.
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Go ahead, BP. I'm sorry.
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02:02:20.880 --> 02:02:23.960
Well, I'm wondering, was the camel corn maybe two hump
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02:02:24.039 --> 02:02:24.930
or one hump camel?
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02:02:26.829 --> 02:02:29.760
Does it make a difference? Danny, I'm sorry, what is your...
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02:02:29.800 --> 02:02:30.399
Did you have a.
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02:02:30.380 --> 02:02:36.399
Final thought for the week?
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02:02:36.479 --> 02:02:39.239
I was going.
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02:02:39.239 --> 02:02:42.659
To say something about this situation wasn't going to last
2248
02:02:42.689 --> 02:02:46.789
because this isn't our final destination, but this destination we
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02:02:46.810 --> 02:02:48.310
kind of landed on tonight.
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02:02:48.590 --> 02:02:52.350
Is not a bad situation. So that's my final thoughts.
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02:02:52.430 --> 02:02:53.649
Keep it light.
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02:02:54.649 --> 02:02:59.130
There you go. Danny, thank you. And you know what, B. Pete,
2253
02:02:59.270 --> 02:03:02.260
it's your turn, but I say, before I even get
2254
02:03:02.300 --> 02:03:07.439
to my final words, bring back the camel corps. Go ahead, B.
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02:03:07.500 --> 02:03:14.600
Pete. I don't know that they wouldn't be useful in
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02:03:14.649 --> 02:03:16.850
these Middle East conflicts that we seem to want to
2257
02:03:16.890 --> 02:03:20.529
get into, that we have a camel corps. You know,
2258
02:03:20.569 --> 02:03:24.229
you think about animals like that, supposedly... you know they
2259
02:03:24.390 --> 02:03:28.449
they cross the alps on elephants so you know you
2260
02:03:28.850 --> 02:03:33.119
i guess you apply the animal or dromedary of your
2261
02:03:33.180 --> 02:03:36.680
choice depending on the situation i would think camels would
2262
02:03:36.699 --> 02:03:39.600
be useless in certain situations i mean not here i
2263
02:03:39.640 --> 02:03:41.720
mean you know it's like he said the only place
2264
02:03:41.739 --> 02:03:45.789
they do well was in the desert right so i
2265
02:03:45.829 --> 02:03:48.649
mean you could start a camel train between what las
2266
02:03:48.689 --> 02:03:52.460
vegas and uh Oh, what's the place down in the
2267
02:03:52.500 --> 02:03:56.489
southern end that everybody also goes to gamble at? I
2268
02:03:56.529 --> 02:03:58.909
can't think of it. It's the second biggest town.
2269
02:03:59.949 --> 02:04:00.449
Reno?
2270
02:04:00.489 --> 02:04:03.630
Yeah, Reno. I mean, you can start a camel train
2271
02:04:03.670 --> 02:04:06.369
between Reno and Vegas. The camel tours.
2272
02:04:06.729 --> 02:04:07.170
There you go.
2273
02:04:09.520 --> 02:04:11.800
You know, throw in three nights at each end of
2274
02:04:11.840 --> 02:04:13.960
the trip at the casino of your choice.
2275
02:04:15.680 --> 02:04:20.720
There you go. so bp go ahead man.
2276
02:04:20.510 --> 02:04:22.729
Close it out what'd you do in the war i
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02:04:22.770 --> 02:04:24.310
was on the camel.
2278
02:04:23.930 --> 02:04:28.149
Corps revelation through conversation.
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02:04:27.189 --> 02:04:30.359
Irish and sicilian you the first double nigga i ever
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02:04:30.399 --> 02:04:31.220
met in my life.
2281
02:04:38.149 --> 02:04:40.890
The following message is transmitted at the request of the
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02:04:40.930 --> 02:04:45.960
Federal Aviation Administration. An unidentified aircraft has been located near
2283
02:04:46.000 --> 02:04:49.159
the state of Florida. The aircraft is presumed to be
2284
02:04:49.199 --> 02:04:52.140
foreign and may pose a threat to those in the area.
2285
02:04:52.680 --> 02:04:56.149
Florida residents are advised to immediately tune to local media
2286
02:04:56.239 --> 02:04:59.430
outlets for further developments, as is it not known if
2287
02:04:59.489 --> 02:05:03.050
this aircraft is a hostile enemy. More updates will follow
2288
02:05:03.090 --> 02:05:11.590
as information becomes available. We would have probably lost hundreds
2289
02:05:11.630 --> 02:05:13.930
of thousands of lives more had I not done that.
2290
02:05:14.869 --> 02:05:16.520
And by the way, if you watch the fake news
2291
02:05:16.600 --> 02:05:19.020
on television, they don't even talk about it. But you know,
2292
02:05:19.340 --> 02:05:22.020
there are 188 other countries right now that are suffering,
2293
02:05:22.359 --> 02:05:24.689
some proportionately far greater than we are.
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02:05:25.680 --> 02:05:28.140
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02:05:28.180 --> 02:05:29.199
United States government.
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02:05:30.779 --> 02:05:32.960
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To the Ocelli Effect.
2298
02:05:34.550 --> 02:05:36.569
I just wanted to call in and tell you and
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Michael Swanson and J.P. Sotillion, all of the guests that
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you have, how much I love your show. Always interesting.
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It's always informative. I just wanted to tell you in
2302
02:05:45.270 --> 02:05:47.850
person on the phone, I mean, I love you. I
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02:05:47.899 --> 02:05:50.899
love your show. I love everything you do. I will
2304
02:05:51.119 --> 02:05:52.300
always be there to support you.
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02:05:52.319 --> 02:05:52.840
You know that.
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02:05:52.859 --> 02:05:55.319
We appreciate you so much. You have no idea.
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Thanks.
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Most of our fans just send hate mail and death threats.
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Selly.com.
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I want them to appreciate the incredible job we're doing.
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We are doing a job the likes of which has
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never been done before. You're going to have mental depression
2313
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for people. You're going to have large numbers of suicides.
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Take a look at what happens in a really horrible
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recession or worse.
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So you're going to have tremendous suicides. But you know
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what you're going to have more than anything else? Drug addiction.
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You will see drugs being used like nobody's ever used.