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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Friday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Time to dig deeper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to MD Wheel Friday's on the Nicole Sandler Show, featuring national security journalist and BS detector, Marcy Wheeler from MT Wheel.net.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Marcy is here to break down the chaos, connect the dots, and probably drop a few F bombs along the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is empty wheel Friday's on the Nicole Sandler Show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this was a week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got to tell you, I never in my life thought I would hear.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A president suggests another country, perhaps, a blow up to American cities like Los Angeles and San Diego.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've entered a new territory, haven't we?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I do think that he was thinking something else, but it's a testament to how fucking nuts he is that he couldn't deliver the message that says we need to make sacrifices so that Iran doesn't get nukes, you know, we know the sacrifice that you could have made Donald Trump to prevent Iran from getting a nukes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: not rip up JPCOA.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, that would have done it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if he had read the thing, if he had any idea what it was all about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was jealousy about Obama and then today, the ICC gave a former ICC judge the Nobel Prize.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so Trump immediately sanctioned the entire court.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And apparently Maga World is losing their heads.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say mines, but I don't think there's anything there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because Donald Trump didn't get it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did they really think he would?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, they're performative, but you know, there's fewer and fewer maggots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just have to be performative to kind of talk each other up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because there are people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a, I mean, some of the good things from the week, both Abdel Sayad and especially John Assa, we always talk about John Assa, kick the fucking daylights out of my
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[SPEAKER_02]: Boer has a focus group, you know, Sarah Longwell, does her focus groups all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have this focus group with former Trump voters in Florida about his illegal ads.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is worth reading because it's like worth the price of admission.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just hate it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just, yeah, like one of them's like, this is a definition of a narcissist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it's interesting, because I mean, I think that,
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[SPEAKER_02]: We know that the polling numbers look bad for Trump for Republicans because they are Trump's lackeys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we, I mean, we still have 20 something days and we're at the point where Trump begins to smell like a loser.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where you triple down and really consolidate, really trying, turn people like that, just discussed it into Donald Trump so that then they heard hold, we were one of the things that Offsaf did really well last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think adulthood too, Dirkie as well, was like, say, you have not done anything to hold Donald Trump accountable, so it's your fault.
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[SPEAKER_02]: for these Republicans who have been locked up with Donald Trump as if it wasn't going to blow back onto them themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I did a, um, people should look at my thread and answer or they can do it in the thread here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, name, I said, what is the house race that if we flip it, will you'll be most excited about it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's actually a super good question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I said Derek Van Orden,
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[SPEAKER_02]: in Wisconsin, in O'Clarer, I said, Scott Perry, because he's such a fucking douchebag, and then at least, Staphonic's district is very much in play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the guy who's running to replace with the Republican is just as people there describe an affirmative douchebag, whereas I think he's a dairy farmer
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[SPEAKER_02]: from the democrat is great, so there are these opportunities, like I know that democratic polling is in the tank, but I think there is this opportunity in a way that
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[SPEAKER_02]: people aren't thinking enough about when you've got three weeks they run more the AI grows like leaked to axia saying yeah we think we may cause a catastrophe next year and we're just trying to figure out how to get ahead of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like caught.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, there is going to be a catastrophe at least one from AI one way or another.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the only thing, you know, if I initially catastrophe or like we hacked your, we hacked, we shut down the entire US greater something and I think that, um, yeah, we all need to be preparing for when Elon Musk comes to taxpayers and asks for a bailout.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, yeah, so much is ready to explode and Elon Musk is so he came to the AI party late and he's got a lot tied up in it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when the bubble bursts, I think a lot of his stuff is going to go with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the whole, I think it's scary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the, like, so much of the wealth of all these people is tied in stock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, um, uh, if you, if you can get, I mean, like, I think Oracle would be the first one to break, which is interesting given the Werner can be into that one through this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's it, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then open AI, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, we don't know, but we do know that, you know, we just need to keep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Holding Republicans accountable for the loser's stench that they've enabled and Donald Trump.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So all that is to look out for any good happen any time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't really know when, but no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all that's going on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the meantime, you were traveling up until this morning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I knew I went to the news.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was at the news, so it's a conference called Disempho.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Disempho, it's run by, yeah, it's run by what's called the E Disempho Lab.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it does the kind of research that Renee, Deresta and Nina Jengwitz and so on, that they've, that they've been really tormented about doing in the United States.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was originally funded by Canada, the EU and Lithuania, which is where it was held in the Alliance, which is a beautiful city, and it was a lot of fun to be there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things about this, it reminds me of cyber conferences in that there's this huge crowd of contractors and many of them are former spooks, kind of like cyber contractors are and you know, and they were like, where are you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I'm empty, we know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, granted, many of them don't have a US focus, but then they were all these other people at the conference
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, basically like we need to talk about the United States being a vector of disinformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the second one of which was here's what we need to do when the United States attacks disinformation researchers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I should say the opening panel was the head judge of the
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's how we started was to talk about the, I mean, I don't think that's why the state department pressured these governments to withdraw funding.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just the two panels that named the United States.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The one panel that talked about the U.S. is a disinformation vector.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First of all,
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[SPEAKER_02]: really pulled its punches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Had I been on that panel, then they would have had something to complain about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But because, I mean, just for example, one of the panelists was like, oh, yeah, you shouldn't have said Hunter, but 51 spook said Hunter, by next Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, no, that was actually accurate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but like, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, so that it pulled its punches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it understood US disinformation that well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the second panel, and here's the really interesting bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: in December, and then in April, Marco Rubio, this is actually Sarah Rogers, and who is Sarah Rogers?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah Rogers is a pretty, troll, pretty far-right extremist, okay?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, there's a guy named Darren Bady and he, um, used to be in charge of Gateway Pundit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's insane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was removed from the administration in the first term because he is too close ties to Nazis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was, I mean, the time I've dealt with him most directly is during January 6.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was so desperate to undermine the claims that the FBI was making that he was slandering the wife of one of the oathkeepers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, dude, she's just, I hate them both, but I do respect that she is standing by her man and she's doing everything she can to keep them out of prison and blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this guy's like, oh, she must be a snitch for the FBI, totally made up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Totally made up and he was perfectly happy to make sure up about somebody who is, if you looked at all closely, it was pretty obvious that she was somebody who is still faithful
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[SPEAKER_02]: keepers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was installed in in state department very early and I think he sort of runs state department and he's the one whose whose made Marco Rubio into more of a Nazi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah Rogers is the person such as a lawyer and has argued these.
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[SPEAKER_02]: fake censorship cases and I believe that she represented Douglas Mackie and what part of his legal challenge is Douglas Mackie is the far right extremist who was charged for cheating, Hillary voters out of their votes in 2016, but he was part of this far right trolling operation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She has explained to Semaphore that she was basically a troll that she's one of, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: But she has a lot of greed and she's blonde and pretty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She spends a lot of time traveling around Europe talking to far-right extremists.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So AFD, she got Steadman found a picture of her the other day meeting with pro-Russian
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she was the one who sanctioned, so back in December, April, five disinformation researchers basically state departments said they can't have visas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's one, Imrod Ahmed, who is sort of he and Elon Musk have been having an out for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because he, his group basically said, here's all the Nazi content on, on, on, on shitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that hurt shitter's advertising and they blamed him, not the fact that they let all these Nazis back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, so that, there's like this personal fight between the two of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This, I mean, to some degree, this was a favor for Elon Musk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The four other people,
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[SPEAKER_02]: to our countering hate, so countering AFD basically in Germany, one is the French politician who kind of brain, who led what's called the digital services act, which is where the EU can and did find Elon Musk, find Shitter, for three things not providing, not making it accessible
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[SPEAKER_02]: In another way, not making data accessible for researchers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the third one is, and this is, I love.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Miss representing what the blue checkmark is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know that quite well because you're constantly trying to get around them giving you a blue checkmark Right, and so they changed they they purportedly changed their rules about who has a blue checkmark And they now claim that everyone has a blue checkmark paid for a I didn't pay for like I never I whatever so
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but that's it, you know, like it's just like just make, just make it obvious who you're giving blue check marks to and it still isn't he still not in compliance, you know, but anyway, so and then there's a woman in the UK, um, who and I can't describe what work she does, but anyway, she's the important one because after she was sanctioned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A group called the Coalition for Independent Technology Research, which is based in Berkeley and has a bunch of member groups.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And her group is a member group of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they sued.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in July,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jeff Bozberg James Boberg and DC said, you know, I think they're going to succeed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is a first amendment problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that, that organization was on the second panel that was targeted by Sarah Rogers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Sarah Rogers says, uh, you're being mean to the United States on two panels one, you're talking about us spreading disinformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the second one, you're talking about
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is why we're going to push these countries to defund you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, that's interesting in of itself because the lawsuit is like the what DOJ is arguing the lawsuit is, oh, state department has an interest in making sure countries don't use their sovereign power to harm the first amendment interests of American citizens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And mostly they're talking about Elon Musk, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't care about me or you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But on that panel, the moderator on that panel is a U.S. citizen, and as I think I said, all three of the speakers on the other panel, all U.S. citizens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So basically, their Rogers sitting there playing God ends up censoring at least four American citizens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the closing panel was one of the people at the onion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, he's a U.S. citizen as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but what's interesting about it is now, she's fucked up the lawsuit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That implicates the lawsuit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the people, soon we're like, you know, we think she's going to retaliate against us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the judge was like, no, I don't think you have any proof that she's going to retaliate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, she not only retaliates against them, but retaliates against the entire international disinformation community, and then Donald Trump goes after the ICC.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I get why she's doing this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a policy of the Trump administration to export fascism to Europe, to destroy democracy in Europe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that has always been the logic for attacking disinformation researchers, because if you can quantify how many Nazis are on shitter,
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[SPEAKER_02]: then it changes how that is perceived as a public square.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you can track how, I mean, there's this classic one from 2020, where after the election, this organization in Stanford, which is subsequently been shut down because of this, basically track choose lying the most.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Two is using Twitter that most on,
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[SPEAKER_02]: to lie, to spread lies about the election, and all the top 20 accounts were Donald Trump his two sons, cat, or Jack Pesoby, Charlie Kirk, you know, was all Trump people, and they're like, how dare you censor us before the election?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, we didn't censor you before the election.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We counted you after the election, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, it's, it is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: People within the information community, you know, see it as the kind of harassment that you see being targeted against judges, being targeted against ICE activists, et cetera, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think there's this disjunk, not enough people talk about
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[SPEAKER_02]: the reason they're doing it, you know, like Steven Miller in the transition period basically demanded that all the big tech companies count out to administration interests and exporting fascism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and what they, you know, like one of the things Elon does and I've talked about this is he likes to gin up violence in the UK and Ireland has done it repeatedly and it's very hard to regulate him and that, you know, because it's like, well, how are we going to get the richest man in the world and throw him in the Poke for violating our speech?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the things literally one of the, one of the
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[SPEAKER_02]: is to prevent the UK or I mean Ireland, never do it because we're too small and because all our money comes from tech companies, but to prevent the UK from saying Elon Musk, keep just you're a terrorist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You need to go to prison and we'll seize everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's where we should be going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what the U.S. is trying to stay off with this and also trying to stay off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying, you know, and trying to try and prevent
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[SPEAKER_02]: Germany, for example, from preventing shitter from giving favorable platform to AFD or forage, for example, of course, has gotten it and you can also has gotten modernization from shitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that Steven Miller has this great plan to export fascism on the backs of big tech.
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[SPEAKER_02]: especially shitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this effort to go after disinformation, researchers is really an effort to spread fascism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You mentioned AFD and forage and so how prevalent is
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[SPEAKER_03]: right wing you know the fascism spreading how how prevalent is it in Europe because I know it's there are big pockets that were it's you know there I mean like Eastern Germany which used to be East Germany yeah there FT is pretty dominant um
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of countries kind of on a knife-sedge, poll and checker public.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in those countries, Russia has been just seeping in disinformation very heavily.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a former B&D, so national spy entity, former B&D, the equivalent of a CIA.
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[SPEAKER_02]: head, like a John Brennan or a John Ratcliffe being arrested for spying, I think there was a cut out between him and Germany, but basically being arrested for for treason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a long history of that in Germany where people, so you know, it is there are a bunch of
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[SPEAKER_02]: Heeded problem here than even in the States.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In other words, just because
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because the EU was closer to the Middle East that the United States fucked up, the United States was, and therefore, and depending on the country, there are people who had immigration privileges left over from one or another empire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, there's that, and there's there's
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a different, like the stresses are different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so you could see France go to Le Pen next year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People are wondering whether there's a center in Germany left anymore, as I said, Czech Republic and Poland are always on a knife side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's where you're at.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so all the more troublesome that Trump is doing this shit here and, you know, trying to suck up to the dictators to the fascists around the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess to increase their power base or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we've really seen like a huge number, I mean at this morning, I treated on Blue Sky, I'm like, just in the last two days, we have four massive scandals about the oil industry with Donald Trump.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One is that, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jared Kushner's handler, Kural Dmitriv, is trying to offer him part of the gass line from Russia that the Ukraine blew up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In other words, to force themselves back into exporting gas to Europe by giving Jared a cut of the deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was another story where there was a big sale of luke oil properties that had to be developed and that's being offered to one of Trump's $2 million donors with
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[SPEAKER_02]: funding from the Emirates and Qatar and all the Middle Eastern.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A third is just a story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was Washington Post about all of the Trump flunkies who just quit the administration who are down in Venezuela making bank off of that crowd deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: there's one more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Tom Barock did not disclose an oil deal that he was benefiting from when he was, and Tom Barock, again, people forget this, Tom Barock one was the third musketeer with Trump and Epstein.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow, I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's all over the Epstein files, and so when Epstein's still trying to kind of stay in touch with Trump after Trump gets the presidency, Barack is one of his back channels until Steven and still Steve Bannon becomes his big side channel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then Barack also was prosecuted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was acquitted, but he was prosecuted for being a foreign agent of the Emirates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in association with the 2016 election because he was basically crafting U.S. policy for the Emirates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was doing it because he thought he'd get all these big contracts for the Emirates, which he since gotten.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a quitter for a number of reasons, one of which is he was like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was good policy, you know, I wasn't doing it to get paid, I thought it was good policy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was acquitted, but in the process of that prosecution, we saw literally him writing speeches for Trump to give that catered to the Emirates and Mohammed bin Salman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and then on top of that, there's this like Trump's two-top campaign people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chris Lasvita and James, what's this name?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are both in Serbia running their campaign, running the, you know, the extremist campaign in Serbia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, Susie Wilde's daughter is there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike Flynn is there getting oil money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of these Trump people are basically supporting the pro-Russian party in Serbia right now and trying to get them off sanctions, which is the same project that Russia is trying to do, but on a smaller level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But of course, that's one of the things Russia is doing is getting like these people are so fucking venal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're just like, let's see how many more of these people I can throw, you know, $50 million to and and we'll slowly break down the United States and with it break down Europe and that's the plan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The funny thing about Lasvita and James Blair is James Blair, especially he was working in the White House until a couple months ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he leaves the White House ostensibly to focus on getting Republicans reelected here and then we're there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not here there in the United States.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he leaves the White House to help win however many seats they can win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And instead of doing that, he's in Serbia making bank.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it is overwhelming, how much corruption there is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Donald Trump, Donald Trump and his illegal ads that really piss off even former Trump voters and the corruption is just breathtaking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's really disgusting people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we need to keep hammering on it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, vote, vote, get these fucking people out of office.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Get as many of them, I mean, a lot of these people are not elected officials, but they work for the elected officials, ostensibly, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, the Republicans, it's like, uh, you know, like Mike Flynn was pardoned from being a Russian agent and now he's a Russian agent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, they wouldn't be, and he was a key part of January 6th.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They wouldn't be able to do this if the Republicans weren't in power.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they don't go to prison.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: as they should.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, one of the things Pam Bonnie did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember there's Mercury, public, whatever, which is Susie Wiles is lobbying group and Pam Bondi used to work for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Bondi basically said, we're not going to prosecute foreign agent line anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that basically ensured all of these people making bank off malign foreign entities can continue to do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, yeah, these elections can happen soon enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe I'm getting my ballot today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got an email the other day that they went out and my in-law.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's no word for the mother of my daughter-in-law.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The mother of my daughter-in-law, there's no, is there a word?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you think of one?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, but I think I'm actually, I'm thinking that some...
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[SPEAKER_02]: Languages, and I'm, you know, like I'm my brain, all my languages get mixed up in my head.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, in some languages there is a word for that, but there isn't an English.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And English, no, but anyway, she, the mother of my daughter-in-law, got her ballot yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, mine should be here any minute now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And as I tell everyone, when you get it, if you get it early, fill it out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you can, hand deliver it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to address the nonpartisan because those are super important.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you, um, you should look up down, um, oh, hold on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to see if I can get the actual proper name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so,
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's what's called Bolt Magazine, and it's at B.O.B.
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[SPEAKER_02]: as a boy, O.L.
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[SPEAKER_02]: T.S.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mag, there's a guy on both shitter and blue sky whose name is Tanya with a T.A.
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[SPEAKER_02]: as a Tom T.A.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and I.E.L.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they do a really comprehensive elections guide with things like who's the nasty sheriff that you want to get rid of who, you know, which are the judges that are the good judges.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I encourage everybody to look.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that up and check out the site because it's, you know, like that site and down ballot and GLE Morris are the three sites that I really follow a lot of elections with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, especially both magazine before you feel at your ballot and encouraging, just to look through what's local, because he did do especially a lot of focus on criminal justice reform and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, if there's a better prosecutor who's running, they'll find you, they'll find you for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, okay, that's quite advice and I will put it in the blog as well if you missed it, but Boltzmagazine Tanniel is the, the, he isn't, yeah, he isn't Tom Tanniel B is in boy bolts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, well, when there's a low, this is a good time to take a break.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll do that and come right back with more on this empty wheel Friday with Marcy Wheeler.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to call Sandler.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll be right back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are the sounds of despair from former radio personalities, languishing in the purgatory of corporate consolidation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These former radio personalities have lost their lilyards, and because they don't need today's corporate terrestrial broadcast standards of being smelly overweight douchebags, see-thing with vain popping hatred.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, wait, now wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a bit much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not all smelly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Certainly not all overweight, so stop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, continue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These radio refugees and their audiences have since migrated to the internet, but their struggle continues as the quest for monetization and sues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nicole Sandler is leading the way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Leading the way?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe started before most other people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the way to reestablishing thought-provoking and entertaining radio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can help by clicking the donate button on NicoleSandler.com.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How about we just say, subscribe to the Nicole Sandler show and tell your friends, you know, like that, all right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Drive the tears of listeners by removing the writing stench of corporate radio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: won't you help?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we're back, Marcy Wheeler, Nicole Sandler, and lots of corruption.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kimberly Gilfoyle is that, oh, speaking of more crept of him forgot about her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, and this is actually sort of interesting because she is just as crept as everyone else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's not very effective.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's actually two scandals here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One is she has her own basically George Poppedopolis who's an energy consultant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's all a oil and cast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, imagine if there were George Pappadabla who had facial hair.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's who is following Gilphoil around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what's interesting about it is, that's scandalous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's like, what's this dude?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what's interesting is she was caught on video saying, yeah, you know, we told Romania if they don't, if they don't behave, we'll take them out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: Trump actually did take Romania's government out because they weren't buying oil from them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're beginning, like, you can put together a map of what Donald Trump is trying to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, this map is what Donald Trump was trying to do in 2019 when he was, you know, making deals with Lev Parnas and Igor Frumman is they were trying to become oil brokers and use oil brokers to coerce behavior from other governments.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and it all, you know, that is an organizing principle of what they're doing, the irony of course, if you can call it that, is with the war and Iran, the rest of the world is sprinting to free themselves of dependence on gas and some countries are getting pretty close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Donald Trump is dumping America's future in addition to AI, also into oil, and it's at a time where China meanwhile is going to dominate the non-renewable renewables, I mean solar and electric cars and so on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's some wind here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's wind manufacturers here in Europe, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but Donald doesn't like when the windmills because they, you know, they kill the birds and the birds who, I don't know what he does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he doesn't like windmills because for two reasons, both his golf course here in Ireland and as well in Scotland have turbines right there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I post this picture a lot of a lot of the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a view, there's a, there's an island in the Shannon that is, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a monastery, one of those Irish monasteries where you go and so in the 400s or whatever, and then the Vikings came.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a view of the church that looks like a perfect
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[SPEAKER_02]: on the Shannon there's two and that energy plant had when I was when I took this picture had just gone off coal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the last plant in Ireland that was burning coal and had just shift to that and the reason it could and again in this picture you can see turbines because there's a
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, on a win, like obviously Ireland, we'd get a ton of win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So on a windy day, we can, we can get about half of our electricity from from wind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I still have the data center problem that everyone else has, but.
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[SPEAKER_03]: yeah but you know we're going backwards here meanwhile while the rest of the world is moving forwards in terms of renewables and you know he's cleaned you to feel cold there's no such thing is clean coal and you know drill he's opening up more I think Arctic lands to drilling I mean it's so
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[SPEAKER_03]: So depressing, I mean, we're counting the days until November 3rd, but on November 4th, we start counting the days to 2028, because we got to get rid of this guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, there were two...
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I had to say those.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There were two big deaths this week and I'm drawing a blank on them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I'm like dead guy, but he also died.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, didn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So not the woman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he died just before we went on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's a famous woman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Programmer computer like one of the found or a computer programming computer science Yeah, so she also passed this week, but none of those two people are the people you're talking about No, and I'm I'm drawing a blank on them at the moment because my brain is for I They'll come to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why I'm not thinking of that, but you know when I heard the news of these two It's like all right, who's gonna be the third and if there's an 80-year-old did get yeah, I guess Yeah, it must have been I
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, you were, there's so much, I don't even know where to go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the USS Lincoln is back home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 50, 50 people, 50 guys on the boat were the first ones off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They all had 10-month-old babies waiting for them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God, so they've never even met their babies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they were 50 of them, which is like one, you know, one percent of the people on the boat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: on a ship, and they all, they were the first of all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They got to see their babies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, well, so that's good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Although, you know, that's about the only good thing, because Heg Seth has announced that he's going to live stream the execution of the Ford Hood Shooter, who will die by firing squad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's insane and there's enough Republicans who are opposed to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's another thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I said, I said, I'm sure to be sure we went on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you know, you know how you prevent this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because remember, Tom Massey's going to come back from election and make a concerted press to impeach Hegsa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so,
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[SPEAKER_02]: like though the numbers on if he manages to get that in the numbers on impeachment I think would be very interesting because you're going to have a bunch of people who retired and you know people like Don Bacon who hates Pete Hegseth you're going to have people who didn't intend to retire who will be forced into retirement and they'll be ready to scapegoat somebody and then you've got
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, in pitching, there are things that say, well, Democrats are going to prioritize Pete Hexas, and yeah, they are, but, you know, this could move, this could move in the weeks before the needle has on execution, right, and, and it's, you know, the other thing is like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I asked on Blue Sky, I'm like, so how's this going to work?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, how do you prevent him from saying allow him Akbar when he dies, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He prevents him from doing something that turns him into a martyr for Islamic extremists because and then somebody else whose Irish was like, yeah, you know, we don't know anything about that because that I mean the entire foundation of the Irish nation,
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[SPEAKER_02]: comes out of the executions that the British Empire did after the 1916 rising and so and our inner train stations are all named after the people who were executed so it's like I mean you know that like you don't you don't murder somebody right um uh somebody that I'm online friends with
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[SPEAKER_02]: made a point is after Osama bin Laden was executed, they refused to release the photos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason they refused to release the photos is not because there was any shameful in the way that they killed him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was proper according to Muslim terms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But because they knew that they could make it look improper and it would be used for disinformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the same thing is going to be true here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: are for people who do nothing but spread propaganda they're not actually very good at it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, meanwhile, meanwhile,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, a, um, Dominican migrant was shot in the Bronx with his five-year-old in the car.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is actually going to be very interesting because, um, one, they shot somebody with the five-year-old in the car.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: who we don't know, it's DHS, you can't believe a word they say it, but the guy who shot him has been involved in foreknown incidents already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you, like, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wired pulls these together he kind of assaulted a pregnant woman in Minnesota.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a case where the case the criminal case was dismissed because it was bullshit that maybe related.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But just in the last six weeks two judges in in Brooklyn have
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[SPEAKER_02]: Throw now have have ruled on habeas cases for the petitioner, meaning like, you're right, you shouldn't have been detained, and in both of them, the guy who did this his name is Coney, let me look it up, um, the guy who shot, who shot the guy in Bronx, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: He basically fabricated stories badly, and the judges like at some length, I posted two of these on Blue Sky.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this guy's name is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Brendan Cooney, see you and I and the the wired article doesn't link the court filings, but I like I said I linked to them and it has
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, hold on, I'm, I'm distracted, but, but it has, it has explanations of what he did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So um, um, yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the thing is, um, you know, they shot again, like through the windshield seven times this guy who I understand was here illegally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He and was a felon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, great, get up, but you, you could have stopped the car and pulled him out of the car without shooting him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Especially, you know, there's a kid in the car, luckily the kid wasn't hurt, but I'm sure mentally he was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, can you imagine being in the backseat of a car?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be in the back shot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mass, and didn't identify themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just surrounded the car.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They keep fighting his him and trying to get him out of New York because they know they've done wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the whole thing is just disgusting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ice is untrained.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the fact that they were unidentified.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're masked.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Goons, and if they came up to my car, but he was pretending to be a construction guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I just do look at the wired article because it's like, I mean, the wired article doesn't capture the horrible things he's done, but one of the things, I mean, the same is true of Greg Bovina.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Greg Bovina has lied so many times about what happened, like he'll push somebody and then claim assault.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the problems is the way you normally punish somebody for lying all the time, like this guy, Kuni did, and Bovino did is, is by saying that they can no longer be a dance on a filing, which Kuni has twice recently, and Hibis case is, but the leverage only works if somebody is a criminal defendant, and because these people are immigration defendants,
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[SPEAKER_02]: There isn't a way, there isn't a mechanism to prevent that from being prevent these people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, that's, that's neither here nor there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Trump's latest thing is, I guess, bribery.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not so late because not so new.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because he floated it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess as long as a month ago,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if the Republicans win in the mid-terms, I'll pay every adult $5,000.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he has repeated that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, now he's added to that some recipient, some people who get their health care through the Affordable Care Act will get $500 rebates.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand how those work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess it's only for people in red states.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and some of us old people are getting $90.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He gave me nine, he, and I say this because he, his name is on an email that went out yesterday, saying you're going to get $90 million.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's from the Medicare Improvement Fund.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, first of all, what's $90 going to do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Seriously.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to put it up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say that in more and more people are doing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So those of us who got these $90 checks, again, it's not going to pay my Medicare Part B premium.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yes, donated to a candidate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm going to give mine to Elizabeth Lee, who is running
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[SPEAKER_03]: four Congress in my district against, you know, it's not Andy Biggs who's the incumbent now who's running for governor of Arizona and he's going to lose big time to Katie Hobbs the who's in there now, but this seat, it's like an R plus 17 district or something, but the Republican candidate, this guy Mark Lam,
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[SPEAKER_03]: is there's all kinds of, you know, sex allegations against him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He and his wife, they propositioned people to do three songs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's emails and text messages from them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's really kind of gross.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's the former sheriff of Penel County, which is the next county over.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a lot of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: bad stuff out there about him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, Mark Lam, Google him, and you'll see, and oh, yeah, they just bought a ranch in Tennessee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's, it's, um, unknown, whether or not he and his family actually live in Arizona, anymore, or if they live in Tennessee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, Elizabeth Lee, the Democrat is a nurse and she's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If she pulls this off of you are talking about what races, what upsets would be great?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she'd be like the first Democrat in a long time and the first woman to hold that seat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If she wins and there are some polls and have it as a toss-up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is Arizona's fifth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think that there's more and more of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, you know, it's like nobody knows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody knows what's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody knows what kind of chicaneery, but yeah, it's going to be pretty interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, this week gave us the first Monday and October, which means the Supreme or Extreme Court is back in session.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yesterday, Lisa Graves came on this show, and she's a brilliant, illegal expert.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, she traced it back, you know, we were taught we went back to Bush v. Gore, and do you know, Clarence Thomas, three of the current court, three members of this current court, were involved in the Bush v. Gore fight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 25 years ago, 26 years ago, including Clarence Thomas, who should have refused himself because Ginny Thomas his wife was at the time
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, working in a senior position at the Heritage Foundation where she was vetting candidates to work in the poor, I'm sorry, in the Bush administration.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was fascinating the way she traced it back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This court, Amy Coney Barrett, and Brett Kavanaugh, and John Roberts also were had their fingers in the mess back then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, yeah, you know, so, you know, one thing about Republicans is they played the long game, you know, they look at, they play the long game, they plan for the future.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And boy, they've been doing this for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so there's that, the courts back in action.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, officially, they're first, they're first, they're first case that they reviewed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Alito at the last minute finally recused because he had financial interest and it was an attempt to prevent states from holding oil companies accountable for climate change and it sounds like it didn't go well for the company.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so there's that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, what I was going to say is during the break, they were still in action because of the shadow dock at which was used more this year than I think ever before, you know, because Trump keeps bringing things right to the court.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and a lot of those rulings which don't have hearings which often are not signed, but they allow stupid things like states to use some database to purge voters from the voting world and the database, the save database which was not constructed to be used for anything having to do with elections.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Supreme Court said sure you can use that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And pull the problem is it uses immigration data that is not accurate, and especially is not accurate if there are five people in Texas that have the name Jose Rodriguez, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably 20 people in Texas, and they're not very good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That list is not very good at figuring out which Jose Rodriguez is which.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they're pulling U.S. citizens off the list.
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[SPEAKER_02]: non-citizens voting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The majority of those are actually, um, uh, bullshit, green card holders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, one case got this missed in Florida already because they they screwed up in the grand jury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then in a different case in Florida, a guy's like, it's actually this, there is no law.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no federal law.
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[SPEAKER_02]: prohibiting non-citizens from voting, and that's not Congress's job to do because that is reserved for the state.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it wasn't, it wasn't, I mean, in fact, on that case, he got Paul Clemente, who is George Bush's White House councillor or solicitor general.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to be amicus on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So wasn't like screaming lefty opinion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a tell me what is going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in you know tell me like tell me what the law really says tell me what's really legal and not legal because you can prohibit certain kinds of people to vote like every state decides whether felons can vote or not and that's an example where it's a state-by-state basis and that is how the you know the it's
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's how the federalism of the United States works and so they're they're I mean it it's so infuriating they're they're inviting all these people and they're doing it just to have propaganda Stan Woodward is going to Michigan to have an anti-Semi event
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because he's going to tart now, it's going to end up targeting Abdel, of course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas, as I mentioned at the beginning, State Department is infested with Nazis, with actual Nazis, and they're setting policy, and it's like, if you want to do something about anti-Semitism, clean house, it's state.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Take all of the anti-Semites out of there, and send them to, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, send them to seek out or something, but you know, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's said.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A couple of weeks ago, for the last two weeks, you introduced us to Sherry Mecklenberg.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and it has having to do with the, um, the grand jury in the, in the, in the broad view six case.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know you've got a big story at at emptywill.net that you published just today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what's going on with this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So no, so the government is weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So two things are going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That actually, and I just cut up while we were on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That actually is just, there's an OPR investigation of all the lawyers who were involved in the case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so for the two lawyers who presented the case to the Grand jury, Mechland Bergen, this guy Matthew Skiba, their lawyers need to have access to the unredacted Grand jury transcripts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was not a big deal, and for some reason, DOJ decided to seal it, and it's like, no, there's no point of doing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This has all been unsealed already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's sort of just a false alarm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it, you know, because I let me to believe, because there are still some problems with the grand jury transcript.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't match the actual recording.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and uh, but the, but the other thing that happened is there was a hearing last week, and I've sensed read the transcript of it, and uh, Judge Perry is, is she's, she's honing in on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: whether the White House was involved in, so the first time they tried to get an indictment on October 9th of last year, they were no belt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The grand jury was like, no, we're not gonna do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And every other case at the time, Bootress was dropping.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So all of these cases that were charged in the same period that were bullshit for the same reasons the Broadway Six was bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bootress was dropping.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He did drop it here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He got, he got Mecklenberg to go back on the 16th and go back on the 23rd to ultimately get an indictment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Judge Perry was like, back on March, well, it was April.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Back on April 7th when I said that they couldn't get discovery into selective and vindictive prosecution.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You told me there was no communication of any kind about these charging
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[SPEAKER_02]: We know there was communication, so I need to know what those were.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she ordered those up today and basically said because she has the same theory I do, which is after they got no build the first day, somebody at Main DOJ, like a Cush thing, said, you keep trying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This one we want to indict.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't care about those other people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so that's the status of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they've got until the 30th to provide these documents to her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, so that's ongoing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if you can remember back to the January 6th hearings, there was one witness named Cassidy Hutchinson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: who worked for, who did she work for?
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[SPEAKER_03]: She worked, she was, I forgot what I was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She was Martin's mother?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Martin's mother?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Martin's mother?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She was in the West Wing, and was privy to a lot of information.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she testified, well, now the DOJ is going after her, considering a perjury case.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And importantly, it's not, it's not to mean pure going after it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, um, it's harmeet dillin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I say this all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, harmeet dillin is the one who prosecuted is prosecuting this, the city's church case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There were no, at various times in that prosecution, there were no local prosecutors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's two now, but there's sort of, there were brought in to do the case, because no one else wanted to do the case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Army, so this is the Don Lemon case, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Army tries to, well, first of all, after the protest, all of the trolls, people like cat-turn, Jack, so the Ecker screaming in real time about this protest, because they're all racist, and, and, and, so, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you
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[SPEAKER_02]: Army was like, yeah, she does this all the time with trolls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, oh, yeah, I'm on it, I'm on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And over the course of the period where first she goes to the Magistrate judge and says, we want to rest for all of these, he only proves three.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The rest he says there's not probable cause.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then DOJ goes to his superior, his superior says, procedurally, I'm not sure I'm allowed to do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they go to the eighth circuit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the eight circuit versus they go, so then they go, they've tried to get this arrest warrant without going to the grand jury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They go to the grand jury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they made a bunch of claims about Georgia fort.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So another journalist, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They made a bunch of claims about her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They said she was chanting along with protestors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They said she bullied the pet pastor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They said she bullied a van and none of that is true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they've acknowledged that none of that is true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've also acknowledged that she was serving as a journalist there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what they did is they went into a grand jury
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[SPEAKER_02]: they fabricated all of the over acts besides being present that they made against Georgia for all of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's the kind of unethical conduct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the other thing about Hermit, just fucking insane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing about Hermit is in this period, well, she is personally overseeing prosecutors are presenting this case in fabricating at least the case against Georgia for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She platforms a polymarket post for my think, Pesobiac, and then somebody else should put Pesobiac saying, oh, yeah, I've got a bet on whether this will be indicted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then somebody just posting a polymarket bet on whether or not it'd be indicted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she's platforming.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She is aware of her trolls betting on whether or not there would be indictment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she's overseeing presenting this case to the Granger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's insanely an ethical.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She also posted the A.I.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Slap about Neckham and Levy, Armstrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She also lied about what the eight circuit said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she should go to prison for all of that stuff, as far as I'm concerned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when people say, oh, yeah, she's going after Cassidy Hutchinson,
01:00:05.512 --> 01:00:22.888
[SPEAKER_02]: my guess is that it will be similarly bullshit because Hutchinson like the case against Hutchinson is she was told second hand a bunch of stuff and she was very clear that she was told second hand and she corroborated that the people who testified against her were
01:00:23.668 --> 01:00:31.773
[SPEAKER_02]: were panicked when she, like they watched her in real time and said, oh fuck, she just, she just knocked us out, right?
01:00:32.193 --> 01:00:37.437
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that they will be, they would be easy to discredit on the stand.
01:00:37.797 --> 01:00:39.838
[SPEAKER_02]: To some degree, this is about punishing her.
01:00:39.878 --> 01:00:47.403
[SPEAKER_02]: This is about enforcing her to, I mean, like go back to the Broadway six case, one of the things that they discussed in last week's hearing is dude is like, yeah, we'll pay,
01:00:48.063 --> 01:00:53.407
[SPEAKER_02]: will pay legal fees, but the legal fees are at a rate that was set years ago.
01:00:53.987 --> 01:01:09.838
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's the equivalent of paying minimum wage when you've got, so that's what they're fighting over, but it's insane because this case, like Judge Perry is going to find that this case went four months longer than
01:01:14.155 --> 01:01:15.596
[SPEAKER_02]: misrepresented things to her.
01:01:16.456 --> 01:01:26.342
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the notion that defendants still had to keep paying attorneys for those four extra months because DOJ liked them, I think, you know, you know.
01:01:28.048 --> 01:01:49.951
[SPEAKER_03]: it's also insane so Marcy will have got to ask you so you're in Lithuania this week you just got back at seven thirty this morning right I mean yeah so you're exhausted but you know in Europe I mean or at this conference specifically dealing with disinformation do the people there realize that the majority I think of the American people
01:01:50.872 --> 01:01:58.584
[SPEAKER_03]: are just besides ourselves like know that this government is batched crazy and count way to get them the fuck out of there.
01:01:59.375 --> 01:02:08.280
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, there were a ton of Americans at the conference, and we were all like, uh, you know, um, there wasn't a lot of apology for Trump.
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:18.325
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there was actually a guy who was in the audience at the, at the, at the, at the, the US's disinformation was like, you know, there are people within this government who understand the problem with this information.
01:02:19.866 --> 01:02:26.910
[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, yeah, I mean, I just think, I think one of my biggest takeaways from the conference was that, um,
01:02:28.993 --> 01:02:39.278
[SPEAKER_02]: The only people who can fix the U.S. disinformation because the power relationships are us.
01:02:40.358 --> 01:02:49.423
[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a tremendous amount of opportunity to do that right now because of these people, again, go back and read the,
01:02:51.064 --> 01:02:56.809
[SPEAKER_02]: the article, the work focus group, yes.
01:02:56.829 --> 01:03:11.040
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you have these people who used to be maggots who are who feel sold out and that is, I think, that is an important
01:03:12.801 --> 01:03:38.460
[SPEAKER_02]: moment where you've got these people who feel sold out and sound like we did 10 years ago that that you have this moment to to reach out to them and and find common ground like on data centers data centers is the common ground and you're going to see like I think we're going to see Democrats especially in house races where they're you know in plus 20 districts who have been running on data centers who will win because they are
01:03:39.020 --> 01:03:49.971
[SPEAKER_02]: appealing to rural voters who wouldn't normally vote for a Democrat, and that may be why if if sheriff brown wins, that's a big part of why he would win.
01:03:49.991 --> 01:03:50.592
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:03:51.523 --> 01:03:53.763
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Sherrod Brown has got to win.
01:03:54.183 --> 01:03:57.304
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, again, we keep going back to vote.
01:03:57.624 --> 01:03:59.404
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we need to do this.
01:03:59.484 --> 01:04:00.445
[SPEAKER_03]: It's up to us.
01:04:01.005 --> 01:04:02.285
[SPEAKER_03]: Now it's in our hands.
01:04:02.885 --> 01:04:04.545
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's no excuse not to vote.
01:04:04.705 --> 01:04:12.467
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, when you're out and about, and I talk to people, I always somehow get to the subject of voting.
01:04:12.487 --> 01:04:13.227
[SPEAKER_03]: You're voting, right?
01:04:13.487 --> 01:04:14.547
[SPEAKER_03]: You're registered, right?
01:04:16.027 --> 01:04:19.908
[SPEAKER_03]: And occasionally, I come across the person who says, I don't vote.
01:04:20.688 --> 01:04:23.812
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know what, I got nothing to lose by talking to them.
01:04:24.133 --> 01:04:26.636
[SPEAKER_03]: So you really, you like the way things are going now.
01:04:26.676 --> 01:04:27.517
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to vote.
01:04:28.158 --> 01:04:33.565
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying not to shame anyone, but try to talk some sense into them.
01:04:34.406 --> 01:04:37.430
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, my plan this morning, I started breeding.
01:04:39.092 --> 01:04:41.514
[SPEAKER_02]: Ben, what is his last name?
01:04:41.954 --> 01:04:42.715
[SPEAKER_02]: Wrangler.
01:04:42.755 --> 01:04:42.955
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:04:43.176 --> 01:04:46.959
[SPEAKER_02]: And the first chapter of his book talks about how to talk to people who don't vote.
01:04:47.279 --> 01:04:47.599
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:49.421
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a good book.
01:04:49.561 --> 01:04:50.702
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really listenable.
01:04:50.882 --> 01:04:52.263
[SPEAKER_02]: I know he's such a jolly person.
01:04:52.283 --> 01:04:52.603
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:04:54.105 --> 01:04:54.885
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, pick it up.
01:04:55.286 --> 01:04:59.469
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, he talks about times he's been able to persuade people and times he didn't.
01:05:00.710 --> 01:05:03.212
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he's good, you know what, he's, he's also very funny.
01:05:03.292 --> 01:05:11.999
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe that he produced, um, um, oh, Al Franken's show on a America back in the day.
01:05:12.720 --> 01:05:14.681
[SPEAKER_03]: Ben Wickler has a great sense of humor.
01:05:14.721 --> 01:05:16.743
[SPEAKER_03]: He did his own podcast for a while.
01:05:17.364 --> 01:05:18.925
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, he's very affable.
01:05:18.985 --> 01:05:22.508
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be surprised to see him run for office one of these days.
01:05:23.108 --> 01:05:25.690
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I wouldn't be surprised to see him take on Ron Johnson.
01:05:26.131 --> 01:05:26.591
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well,
01:05:27.872 --> 01:05:28.712
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be great.
01:05:28.872 --> 01:05:41.935
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, and I remember back to Ron Johnson, beating Russ fine gold, which was such a travesty because Russ fine gold was great, and was constant was always so progressive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it made no sense.
01:05:43.475 --> 01:05:49.997
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, Ben's book is great because he talked about it got that progressive, but it's also the most evenly split stay and
01:05:50.837 --> 01:05:55.302
[SPEAKER_02]: And as he describes, he's like, look, we did what the United States has to do.
01:05:55.382 --> 01:05:59.846
[SPEAKER_02]: We've done it in Wisconsin, and I will tell you how to do it at the Nationalum.
01:06:00.126 --> 01:06:01.227
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, go read it.
01:06:01.388 --> 01:06:06.653
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if nothing else did something to calm your nerves, speak between now and November.
01:06:07.013 --> 01:06:07.213
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
01:06:07.874 --> 01:06:09.696
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's only a few weeks away.
01:06:09.816 --> 01:06:12.539
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, we're in the home stretch, right?
01:06:12.899 --> 01:06:13.419
[SPEAKER_03]: You got it.
01:06:14.160 --> 01:06:20.107
[SPEAKER_03]: get out and again next week the 17th what day is that I mean it's a Saturday isn't next Saturday.
01:06:20.508 --> 01:06:25.815
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes it's a week from tomorrow is the no kings day please go.
01:06:25.835 --> 01:06:29.900
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this will be the biggest one yet.
01:06:30.750 --> 01:06:35.212
[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't let fear stop you, don't let fear stop you.
01:06:35.692 --> 01:06:37.293
[SPEAKER_03]: I would leave my cell phone at home.
01:06:37.313 --> 01:06:46.497
[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to take pictures, bring a burner phone or an old-fashioned camera or something, because who knows what kind of surveillance they'll have out there.
01:06:47.137 --> 01:06:50.199
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're trying to make protesting illegal.
01:06:50.299 --> 01:06:56.301
[SPEAKER_03]: And Donald Trump has floated the idea of raising the Insurrection Act before the election.
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[SPEAKER_03]: don't let it, so that's my advice.
01:07:03.872 --> 01:07:24.204
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, last week, we were talking about, you know, Jack Smith and his trial or his hearing, where, you know, what's his name, Schmidt, tried to catch him in a gotcha moment because Jack Smith was at a college basketball game in Maryland, not the one that,
01:07:25.164 --> 01:07:38.655
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Schmidt said he was at, uh, I only bring this up because this past weekend was a big concert, Tom Morello's power to the people concert that was also in Maryland and you know who was there?
01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:46.665
[SPEAKER_03]: Jax Smith, Jax Smith, and there are numerous pictures of him smiling.
01:07:47.306 --> 01:07:57.915
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I've ever seen Jax Smith smile before, and on top of that, in this picture, his wearing a Bruce Springsteen, land of hope and dreams, tour, no kings t-shirt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know what?
01:08:00.762 --> 01:08:12.169
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't let the bastards muffle you or make you be silent, get out there and stand up for us, stand up for yourself.
01:08:12.950 --> 01:08:14.450
[SPEAKER_03]: That's my advice.
01:08:14.471 --> 01:08:15.171
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm gonna do.
01:08:15.191 --> 01:08:18.233
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that can't really do that.
01:08:19.914 --> 01:08:21.915
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, anything else?
01:08:22.115 --> 01:08:24.737
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's I know there's tons of stuff but you must be exhausted.
01:08:26.352 --> 01:08:28.394
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I think it's a good time to call it this week.
01:08:28.414 --> 01:08:31.958
[SPEAKER_02]: Just because say, yeah, crazy stuff.
01:08:32.659 --> 01:08:34.781
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so do what you do.
01:08:35.221 --> 01:08:37.844
[SPEAKER_03]: Get involved with an invisible group.
01:08:38.024 --> 01:08:43.770
[SPEAKER_03]: If you can, canvas, whatever you do, make phone calls, wear in the home stretch.
01:08:43.830 --> 01:08:48.074
[SPEAKER_02]: If you've got crazy mag at neighbors and family members who might be,
01:08:48.795 --> 01:08:51.098
[SPEAKER_02]: having cold feet finally do reach out to them.
01:08:51.158 --> 01:08:51.999
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't be judgey.
01:08:52.059 --> 01:08:56.024
[SPEAKER_02]: Just say, you know, here's something we can here's where we can look again.
01:08:56.104 --> 01:09:04.875
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the data center stuff is a place where everyone can make common ground because it really is something that most Americans agree on definitely.
01:09:05.355 --> 01:09:19.466
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Marcie Wheeler, find her at mtwheel.net, go there, read her stories, but also read the comment threads, because you've got some great readers who make some really wonderful points in the comments.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the comments are, you know, I always read the comments on your site, not so much others, but definitely an mtwheel.net.
01:09:28.294 --> 01:09:30.515
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so we get a lot from that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, until next week, Marcy Wheeler, and while you're there, maybe, you know, throw some love to empty wheel and the work she does because like me, she's got no paywall.
01:09:43.663 --> 01:09:46.644
[SPEAKER_03]: She does this because she wants everyone to be informed.
01:09:47.184 --> 01:09:51.347
[SPEAKER_03]: And I should say this, being in Lithuania at this conference this week.
01:09:52.417 --> 01:10:05.909
[SPEAKER_02]: Being self-funded gives me a kind of liberty that, you know, these groups that are funded by states or by corporate sponsors.
01:10:06.029 --> 01:10:15.377
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, one of the, one of the discussions that went on in the back, like one of the things I'm obsessed about, but I just don't have the bandwidth to cover right now is when Musk shut down USAID.
01:10:17.599 --> 01:10:29.088
[SPEAKER_02]: a lot of big funders rushed in to fund the like life or death people who needed funding people like journalists who would get assassinated if they didn't get some kind of support immediately.
01:10:29.649 --> 01:10:36.194
[SPEAKER_02]: And those funders, therefore, withdrew funding, moved funding from other NGOs that are less life or death.
01:10:36.815 --> 01:10:42.419
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and there are a number of other things that are similarly leading funding.
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.262
[SPEAKER_02]: So everyone is really in a funding crunch right now.
01:10:46.182 --> 01:10:55.625
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sorry, like that's what they were trying to do with the conference was to create a funding crunch for this thriving conference.
01:10:55.645 --> 01:11:00.867
[SPEAKER_02]: There were 600 people at it and lots of people from governments in Europe.
01:11:01.767 --> 01:11:13.493
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and they were trying to withdraw the funding of it to make it a lot harder to put it on next year to make it a lot harder to find a place to put it next year, um, you know, they're delaying announcing where it's going to be.
01:11:13.593 --> 01:11:15.114
[SPEAKER_02]: There was the other thing that would happen.
01:11:15.254 --> 01:11:16.635
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this was all coming out.
01:11:16.675 --> 01:11:20.977
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Michael Schellenberger, the one of the Twitter guys guys was emailing.
01:11:20.997 --> 01:11:22.517
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, again, funding.
01:11:22.878 --> 01:11:23.038
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:11:23.058 --> 01:11:26.860
[SPEAKER_02]: He was emailing all the Americans that were on the, on the, on the, on the, um,
01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:37.764
[SPEAKER_02]: on the panels that were speaking or that were on panels and I wasn't so, but he wouldn't emailed me anyway because we're old, you know, we haven't old relationship cool.
01:11:37.824 --> 01:11:48.347
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, so he was emailing them and nagging them about whether they had any federal funding and probably an intramating that he was going to go for you to find out whether they have any federal funding.
01:11:48.367 --> 01:11:50.268
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's trying to defund anybody who was there.
01:11:53.169 --> 01:11:55.810
[SPEAKER_03]: The people who are pushing disinformation
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[SPEAKER_02]: The people who are researching disinformation, he's trying to find a way to further cut off their funding base, which he succeeded in, he and his Nazi friends have succeeded in doing the United States, and he's trying to do that on a larger level.
01:12:11.779 --> 01:12:24.529
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's trying to, he and Sarah Rogers, who's evil, are trying to silence everybody who is talking about disinformation, and it's a pure first amendment violation, but they're trying to do it anyway.
01:12:25.029 --> 01:12:30.519
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, so he, I thought he was sort of one of the good guys, he's not.
01:12:31.718 --> 01:12:34.260
[SPEAKER_02]: No, my little Sean Berger is, no, he's a fan of Matt Tape.
01:12:34.360 --> 01:12:34.760
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:35.221
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:12:35.561 --> 01:12:37.442
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's a terrible, terrible, terrible person.
01:12:37.462 --> 01:12:38.023
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, good to know.
01:12:38.183 --> 01:12:49.511
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, oh, okay, I thought I remembered his name and association with breaking a story this in the last year or two, but again, my brain is fried.
01:12:49.571 --> 01:12:54.515
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe I'm thinking of someone else, but store that away.
01:12:54.795 --> 01:12:55.055
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:12:56.036 --> 01:13:06.146
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so do support, you know, the credible sources who you go to for information, and those who, you know, frankly are not behind a paywall.
01:13:07.667 --> 01:13:14.814
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, who do it for the, for the greater good, but also, you know, do it to earn a living.
01:13:15.074 --> 01:13:17.116
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, we earn a living.
01:13:18.057 --> 01:13:22.020
[SPEAKER_03]: based on the generosity of the readers and listeners and viewers and all that.
01:13:22.881 --> 01:13:26.965
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, Marcy Wheeler.net, you'll see a link right there to help her out.
01:13:27.385 --> 01:13:29.206
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, until next week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, have a good week.
01:13:30.848 --> 01:13:31.368
[SPEAKER_03]: Stay safe.
01:13:31.749 --> 01:13:32.249
[SPEAKER_03]: You too.
01:13:32.569 --> 01:13:33.270
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, Marcy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, see you next week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Peace out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good luck, custom time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, can you get a wardrobe for that pretty place?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what that's what I'm telling David look we can we can get
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Friday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Time to dig deeper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to MD Wheel Friday's on the Nicole Sandler Show, featuring national security journalist and BS detector, Marcy Wheeler from MT Wheel.net.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Marcy is here to break down the chaos, connect the dots, and probably drop a few F bombs along the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is empty wheel Friday's on the Nicole Sandler Show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this was a week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got to tell you, I never in my life thought I would hear.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A president suggests another country, perhaps, a blow up to American cities like Los Angeles and San Diego.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've entered a new territory, haven't we?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I do think that he was thinking something else, but it's a testament to how fucking nuts he is that he couldn't deliver the message that says we need to make sacrifices so that Iran doesn't get nukes, you know, we know the sacrifice that you could have made Donald Trump to prevent Iran from getting a nukes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: not rip up JPCOA.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, that would have done it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if he had read the thing, if he had any idea what it was all about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was jealousy about Obama and then today, the ICC gave a former ICC judge the Nobel Prize.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so Trump immediately sanctioned the entire court.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And apparently Maga World is losing their heads.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say mines, but I don't think there's anything there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because Donald Trump didn't get it.
01:47.086 --> 01:48.427
[SPEAKER_03]: Did they really think he would?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, they're performative, but you know, there's fewer and fewer maggots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just have to be performative to kind of talk each other up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because there are people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a, I mean, some of the good things from the week, both Abdel Sayad and especially John Assa, we always talk about John Assa, kick the fucking daylights out of my
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[SPEAKER_02]: Boer has a focus group, you know, Sarah Longwell, does her focus groups all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have this focus group with former Trump voters in Florida about his illegal ads.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is worth reading because it's like worth the price of admission.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just hate it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just, yeah, like one of them's like, this is a definition of a narcissist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it's interesting, because I mean, I think that,
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[SPEAKER_02]: We know that the polling numbers look bad for Trump for Republicans because they are Trump's lackeys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we, I mean, we still have 20 something days and we're at the point where Trump begins to smell like a loser.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where you triple down and really consolidate, really trying, turn people like that, just discussed it into Donald Trump so that then they heard hold, we were one of the things that Offsaf did really well last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think adulthood too, Dirkie as well, was like, say, you have not done anything to hold Donald Trump accountable, so it's your fault.
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[SPEAKER_02]: for these Republicans who have been locked up with Donald Trump as if it wasn't going to blow back onto them themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I did a, um, people should look at my thread and answer or they can do it in the thread here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, name, I said, what is the house race that if we flip it, will you'll be most excited about it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's actually a super good question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I said Derek Van Orden,
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[SPEAKER_02]: in Wisconsin, in O'Clarer, I said, Scott Perry, because he's such a fucking douchebag, and then at least, Staphonic's district is very much in play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the guy who's running to replace with the Republican is just as people there describe an affirmative douchebag, whereas I think he's a dairy farmer
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[SPEAKER_02]: from the democrat is great, so there are these opportunities, like I know that democratic polling is in the tank, but I think there is this opportunity in a way that
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[SPEAKER_02]: people aren't thinking enough about when you've got three weeks they run more the AI grows like leaked to axia saying yeah we think we may cause a catastrophe next year and we're just trying to figure out how to get ahead of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like caught.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, there is going to be a catastrophe at least one from AI one way or another.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the only thing, you know, if I initially catastrophe or like we hacked your, we hacked, we shut down the entire US greater something and I think that, um, yeah, we all need to be preparing for when Elon Musk comes to taxpayers and asks for a bailout.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, yeah, so much is ready to explode and Elon Musk is so he came to the AI party late and he's got a lot tied up in it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when the bubble bursts, I think a lot of his stuff is going to go with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the whole, I think it's scary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the, like, so much of the wealth of all these people is tied in stock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, um, uh, if you, if you can get, I mean, like, I think Oracle would be the first one to break, which is interesting given the Werner can be into that one through this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's it, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then open AI, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, we don't know, but we do know that, you know, we just need to keep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Holding Republicans accountable for the loser's stench that they've enabled and Donald Trump.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So all that is to look out for any good happen any time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't really know when, but no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all that's going on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the meantime, you were traveling up until this morning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I knew I went to the news.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was at the news, so it's a conference called Disempho.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Disempho, it's run by, yeah, it's run by what's called the E Disempho Lab.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it does the kind of research that Renee, Deresta and Nina Jengwitz and so on, that they've, that they've been really tormented about doing in the United States.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was originally funded by Canada, the EU and Lithuania, which is where it was held in the Alliance, which is a beautiful city, and it was a lot of fun to be there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things about this, it reminds me of cyber conferences in that there's this huge crowd of contractors and many of them are former spooks, kind of like cyber contractors are and you know, and they were like, where are you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I'm empty, we know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, granted, many of them don't have a US focus, but then they were all these other people at the conference
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, basically like we need to talk about the United States being a vector of disinformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the second one of which was here's what we need to do when the United States attacks disinformation researchers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I should say the opening panel was the head judge of the
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's how we started was to talk about the, I mean, I don't think that's why the state department pressured these governments to withdraw funding.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just the two panels that named the United States.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The one panel that talked about the U.S. is a disinformation vector.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First of all,
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[SPEAKER_02]: really pulled its punches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Had I been on that panel, then they would have had something to complain about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But because, I mean, just for example, one of the panelists was like, oh, yeah, you shouldn't have said Hunter, but 51 spook said Hunter, by next Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, no, that was actually accurate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but like, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, so that it pulled its punches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it understood US disinformation that well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the second panel, and here's the really interesting bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: in December, and then in April, Marco Rubio, this is actually Sarah Rogers, and who is Sarah Rogers?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah Rogers is a pretty, troll, pretty far-right extremist, okay?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, there's a guy named Darren Bady and he, um, used to be in charge of Gateway Pundit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's insane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was removed from the administration in the first term because he is too close ties to Nazis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was, I mean, the time I've dealt with him most directly is during January 6.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was so desperate to undermine the claims that the FBI was making that he was slandering the wife of one of the oathkeepers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, dude, she's just, I hate them both, but I do respect that she is standing by her man and she's doing everything she can to keep them out of prison and blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this guy's like, oh, she must be a snitch for the FBI, totally made up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Totally made up and he was perfectly happy to make sure up about somebody who is, if you looked at all closely, it was pretty obvious that she was somebody who is still faithful
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[SPEAKER_02]: keepers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was installed in in state department very early and I think he sort of runs state department and he's the one whose whose made Marco Rubio into more of a Nazi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah Rogers is the person such as a lawyer and has argued these.
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[SPEAKER_02]: fake censorship cases and I believe that she represented Douglas Mackie and what part of his legal challenge is Douglas Mackie is the far right extremist who was charged for cheating, Hillary voters out of their votes in 2016, but he was part of this far right trolling operation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She has explained to Semaphore that she was basically a troll that she's one of, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: But she has a lot of greed and she's blonde and pretty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She spends a lot of time traveling around Europe talking to far-right extremists.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So AFD, she got Steadman found a picture of her the other day meeting with pro-Russian
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she was the one who sanctioned, so back in December, April, five disinformation researchers basically state departments said they can't have visas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's one, Imrod Ahmed, who is sort of he and Elon Musk have been having an out for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because he, his group basically said, here's all the Nazi content on, on, on, on shitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that hurt shitter's advertising and they blamed him, not the fact that they let all these Nazis back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, so that, there's like this personal fight between the two of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This, I mean, to some degree, this was a favor for Elon Musk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The four other people,
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[SPEAKER_02]: to our countering hate, so countering AFD basically in Germany, one is the French politician who kind of brain, who led what's called the digital services act, which is where the EU can and did find Elon Musk, find Shitter, for three things not providing, not making it accessible
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[SPEAKER_02]: In another way, not making data accessible for researchers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the third one is, and this is, I love.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Miss representing what the blue checkmark is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know that quite well because you're constantly trying to get around them giving you a blue checkmark Right, and so they changed they they purportedly changed their rules about who has a blue checkmark And they now claim that everyone has a blue checkmark paid for a I didn't pay for like I never I whatever so
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but that's it, you know, like it's just like just make, just make it obvious who you're giving blue check marks to and it still isn't he still not in compliance, you know, but anyway, so and then there's a woman in the UK, um, who and I can't describe what work she does, but anyway, she's the important one because after she was sanctioned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A group called the Coalition for Independent Technology Research, which is based in Berkeley and has a bunch of member groups.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And her group is a member group of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they sued.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in July,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jeff Bozberg James Boberg and DC said, you know, I think they're going to succeed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is a first amendment problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that, that organization was on the second panel that was targeted by Sarah Rogers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Sarah Rogers says, uh, you're being mean to the United States on two panels one, you're talking about us spreading disinformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the second one, you're talking about
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is why we're going to push these countries to defund you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, that's interesting in of itself because the lawsuit is like the what DOJ is arguing the lawsuit is, oh, state department has an interest in making sure countries don't use their sovereign power to harm the first amendment interests of American citizens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And mostly they're talking about Elon Musk, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't care about me or you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But on that panel, the moderator on that panel is a U.S. citizen, and as I think I said, all three of the speakers on the other panel, all U.S. citizens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So basically, their Rogers sitting there playing God ends up censoring at least four American citizens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the closing panel was one of the people at the onion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, he's a U.S. citizen as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but what's interesting about it is now, she's fucked up the lawsuit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That implicates the lawsuit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the people, soon we're like, you know, we think she's going to retaliate against us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the judge was like, no, I don't think you have any proof that she's going to retaliate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, she not only retaliates against them, but retaliates against the entire international disinformation community, and then Donald Trump goes after the ICC.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I get why she's doing this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a policy of the Trump administration to export fascism to Europe, to destroy democracy in Europe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that has always been the logic for attacking disinformation researchers, because if you can quantify how many Nazis are on shitter,
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[SPEAKER_02]: then it changes how that is perceived as a public square.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you can track how, I mean, there's this classic one from 2020, where after the election, this organization in Stanford, which is subsequently been shut down because of this, basically track choose lying the most.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Two is using Twitter that most on,
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[SPEAKER_02]: to lie, to spread lies about the election, and all the top 20 accounts were Donald Trump his two sons, cat, or Jack Pesoby, Charlie Kirk, you know, was all Trump people, and they're like, how dare you censor us before the election?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, we didn't censor you before the election.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We counted you after the election, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, it's, it is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: People within the information community, you know, see it as the kind of harassment that you see being targeted against judges, being targeted against ICE activists, et cetera, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think there's this disjunk, not enough people talk about
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[SPEAKER_02]: the reason they're doing it, you know, like Steven Miller in the transition period basically demanded that all the big tech companies count out to administration interests and exporting fascism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and what they, you know, like one of the things Elon does and I've talked about this is he likes to gin up violence in the UK and Ireland has done it repeatedly and it's very hard to regulate him and that, you know, because it's like, well, how are we going to get the richest man in the world and throw him in the Poke for violating our speech?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the things literally one of the, one of the
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[SPEAKER_02]: is to prevent the UK or I mean Ireland, never do it because we're too small and because all our money comes from tech companies, but to prevent the UK from saying Elon Musk, keep just you're a terrorist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You need to go to prison and we'll seize everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's where we should be going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what the U.S. is trying to stay off with this and also trying to stay off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying, you know, and trying to try and prevent
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[SPEAKER_02]: Germany, for example, from preventing shitter from giving favorable platform to AFD or forage, for example, of course, has gotten it and you can also has gotten modernization from shitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that Steven Miller has this great plan to export fascism on the backs of big tech.
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[SPEAKER_02]: especially shitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this effort to go after disinformation, researchers is really an effort to spread fascism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You mentioned AFD and forage and so how prevalent is
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[SPEAKER_03]: right wing you know the fascism spreading how how prevalent is it in Europe because I know it's there are big pockets that were it's you know there I mean like Eastern Germany which used to be East Germany yeah there FT is pretty dominant um
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of countries kind of on a knife-sedge, poll and checker public.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in those countries, Russia has been just seeping in disinformation very heavily.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a former B&D, so national spy entity, former B&D, the equivalent of a CIA.
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[SPEAKER_02]: head, like a John Brennan or a John Ratcliffe being arrested for spying, I think there was a cut out between him and Germany, but basically being arrested for for treason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a long history of that in Germany where people, so you know, it is there are a bunch of
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[SPEAKER_02]: Heeded problem here than even in the States.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In other words, just because
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because the EU was closer to the Middle East that the United States fucked up, the United States was, and therefore, and depending on the country, there are people who had immigration privileges left over from one or another empire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, there's that, and there's there's
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a different, like the stresses are different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so you could see France go to Le Pen next year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People are wondering whether there's a center in Germany left anymore, as I said, Czech Republic and Poland are always on a knife side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's where you're at.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so all the more troublesome that Trump is doing this shit here and, you know, trying to suck up to the dictators to the fascists around the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess to increase their power base or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we've really seen like a huge number, I mean at this morning, I treated on Blue Sky, I'm like, just in the last two days, we have four massive scandals about the oil industry with Donald Trump.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One is that, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jared Kushner's handler, Kural Dmitriv, is trying to offer him part of the gass line from Russia that the Ukraine blew up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In other words, to force themselves back into exporting gas to Europe by giving Jared a cut of the deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was another story where there was a big sale of luke oil properties that had to be developed and that's being offered to one of Trump's $2 million donors with
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[SPEAKER_02]: funding from the Emirates and Qatar and all the Middle Eastern.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A third is just a story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was Washington Post about all of the Trump flunkies who just quit the administration who are down in Venezuela making bank off of that crowd deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: there's one more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Tom Barock did not disclose an oil deal that he was benefiting from when he was, and Tom Barock, again, people forget this, Tom Barock one was the third musketeer with Trump and Epstein.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow, I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's all over the Epstein files, and so when Epstein's still trying to kind of stay in touch with Trump after Trump gets the presidency, Barack is one of his back channels until Steven and still Steve Bannon becomes his big side channel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then Barack also was prosecuted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was acquitted, but he was prosecuted for being a foreign agent of the Emirates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in association with the 2016 election because he was basically crafting U.S. policy for the Emirates.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was doing it because he thought he'd get all these big contracts for the Emirates, which he since gotten.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a quitter for a number of reasons, one of which is he was like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was good policy, you know, I wasn't doing it to get paid, I thought it was good policy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was acquitted, but in the process of that prosecution, we saw literally him writing speeches for Trump to give that catered to the Emirates and Mohammed bin Salman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and then on top of that, there's this like Trump's two-top campaign people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chris Lasvita and James, what's this name?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are both in Serbia running their campaign, running the, you know, the extremist campaign in Serbia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, Susie Wilde's daughter is there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike Flynn is there getting oil money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of these Trump people are basically supporting the pro-Russian party in Serbia right now and trying to get them off sanctions, which is the same project that Russia is trying to do, but on a smaller level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But of course, that's one of the things Russia is doing is getting like these people are so fucking venal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're just like, let's see how many more of these people I can throw, you know, $50 million to and and we'll slowly break down the United States and with it break down Europe and that's the plan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The funny thing about Lasvita and James Blair is James Blair, especially he was working in the White House until a couple months ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he leaves the White House ostensibly to focus on getting Republicans reelected here and then we're there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not here there in the United States.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he leaves the White House to help win however many seats they can win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And instead of doing that, he's in Serbia making bank.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it is overwhelming, how much corruption there is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Donald Trump, Donald Trump and his illegal ads that really piss off even former Trump voters and the corruption is just breathtaking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's really disgusting people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we need to keep hammering on it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, vote, vote, get these fucking people out of office.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Get as many of them, I mean, a lot of these people are not elected officials, but they work for the elected officials, ostensibly, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, the Republicans, it's like, uh, you know, like Mike Flynn was pardoned from being a Russian agent and now he's a Russian agent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, they wouldn't be, and he was a key part of January 6th.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They wouldn't be able to do this if the Republicans weren't in power.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they don't go to prison.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: as they should.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, one of the things Pam Bonnie did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember there's Mercury, public, whatever, which is Susie Wiles is lobbying group and Pam Bondi used to work for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Bondi basically said, we're not going to prosecute foreign agent line anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that basically ensured all of these people making bank off malign foreign entities can continue to do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, yeah, these elections can happen soon enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe I'm getting my ballot today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got an email the other day that they went out and my in-law.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's no word for the mother of my daughter-in-law.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The mother of my daughter-in-law, there's no, is there a word?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you think of one?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, but I think I'm actually, I'm thinking that some...
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[SPEAKER_02]: Languages, and I'm, you know, like I'm my brain, all my languages get mixed up in my head.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, in some languages there is a word for that, but there isn't an English.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And English, no, but anyway, she, the mother of my daughter-in-law, got her ballot yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, mine should be here any minute now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And as I tell everyone, when you get it, if you get it early, fill it out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you can, hand deliver it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to address the nonpartisan because those are super important.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you, um, you should look up down, um, oh, hold on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to see if I can get the actual proper name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so,
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's what's called Bolt Magazine, and it's at B.O.B.
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[SPEAKER_02]: as a boy, O.L.
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[SPEAKER_02]: T.S.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mag, there's a guy on both shitter and blue sky whose name is Tanya with a T.A.
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[SPEAKER_02]: as a Tom T.A.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and I.E.L.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they do a really comprehensive elections guide with things like who's the nasty sheriff that you want to get rid of who, you know, which are the judges that are the good judges.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I encourage everybody to look.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that up and check out the site because it's, you know, like that site and down ballot and GLE Morris are the three sites that I really follow a lot of elections with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, especially both magazine before you feel at your ballot and encouraging, just to look through what's local, because he did do especially a lot of focus on criminal justice reform and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, if there's a better prosecutor who's running, they'll find you, they'll find you for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, okay, that's quite advice and I will put it in the blog as well if you missed it, but Boltzmagazine Tanniel is the, the, he isn't, yeah, he isn't Tom Tanniel B is in boy bolts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, well, when there's a low, this is a good time to take a break.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll do that and come right back with more on this empty wheel Friday with Marcy Wheeler.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to call Sandler.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll be right back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are the sounds of despair from former radio personalities, languishing in the purgatory of corporate consolidation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These former radio personalities have lost their lilyards, and because they don't need today's corporate terrestrial broadcast standards of being smelly overweight douchebags, see-thing with vain popping hatred.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, wait, now wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a bit much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not all smelly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Certainly not all overweight, so stop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, continue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These radio refugees and their audiences have since migrated to the internet, but their struggle continues as the quest for monetization and sues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nicole Sandler is leading the way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Leading the way?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe started before most other people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the way to reestablishing thought-provoking and entertaining radio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can help by clicking the donate button on NicoleSandler.com.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How about we just say, subscribe to the Nicole Sandler show and tell your friends, you know, like that, all right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Drive the tears of listeners by removing the writing stench of corporate radio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: won't you help?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we're back, Marcy Wheeler, Nicole Sandler, and lots of corruption.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kimberly Gilfoyle is that, oh, speaking of more crept of him forgot about her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, and this is actually sort of interesting because she is just as crept as everyone else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's not very effective.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's actually two scandals here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One is she has her own basically George Poppedopolis who's an energy consultant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's all a oil and cast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, imagine if there were George Pappadabla who had facial hair.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's who is following Gilphoil around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what's interesting about it is, that's scandalous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's like, what's this dude?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what's interesting is she was caught on video saying, yeah, you know, we told Romania if they don't, if they don't behave, we'll take them out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: Trump actually did take Romania's government out because they weren't buying oil from them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're beginning, like, you can put together a map of what Donald Trump is trying to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, this map is what Donald Trump was trying to do in 2019 when he was, you know, making deals with Lev Parnas and Igor Frumman is they were trying to become oil brokers and use oil brokers to coerce behavior from other governments.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and it all, you know, that is an organizing principle of what they're doing, the irony of course, if you can call it that, is with the war and Iran, the rest of the world is sprinting to free themselves of dependence on gas and some countries are getting pretty close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Donald Trump is dumping America's future in addition to AI, also into oil, and it's at a time where China meanwhile is going to dominate the non-renewable renewables, I mean solar and electric cars and so on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's some wind here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's wind manufacturers here in Europe, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but Donald doesn't like when the windmills because they, you know, they kill the birds and the birds who, I don't know what he does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he doesn't like windmills because for two reasons, both his golf course here in Ireland and as well in Scotland have turbines right there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I post this picture a lot of a lot of the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a view, there's a, there's an island in the Shannon that is, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a monastery, one of those Irish monasteries where you go and so in the 400s or whatever, and then the Vikings came.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a view of the church that looks like a perfect
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[SPEAKER_02]: on the Shannon there's two and that energy plant had when I was when I took this picture had just gone off coal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the last plant in Ireland that was burning coal and had just shift to that and the reason it could and again in this picture you can see turbines because there's a
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, on a win, like obviously Ireland, we'd get a ton of win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So on a windy day, we can, we can get about half of our electricity from from wind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I still have the data center problem that everyone else has, but.
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[SPEAKER_03]: yeah but you know we're going backwards here meanwhile while the rest of the world is moving forwards in terms of renewables and you know he's cleaned you to feel cold there's no such thing is clean coal and you know drill he's opening up more I think Arctic lands to drilling I mean it's so
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[SPEAKER_03]: So depressing, I mean, we're counting the days until November 3rd, but on November 4th, we start counting the days to 2028, because we got to get rid of this guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, there were two...
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I had to say those.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There were two big deaths this week and I'm drawing a blank on them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I'm like dead guy, but he also died.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, didn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So not the woman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he died just before we went on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's a famous woman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Programmer computer like one of the found or a computer programming computer science Yeah, so she also passed this week, but none of those two people are the people you're talking about No, and I'm I'm drawing a blank on them at the moment because my brain is for I They'll come to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why I'm not thinking of that, but you know when I heard the news of these two It's like all right, who's gonna be the third and if there's an 80-year-old did get yeah, I guess Yeah, it must have been I
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, you were, there's so much, I don't even know where to go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the USS Lincoln is back home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 50, 50 people, 50 guys on the boat were the first ones off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They all had 10-month-old babies waiting for them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God, so they've never even met their babies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they were 50 of them, which is like one, you know, one percent of the people on the boat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: on a ship, and they all, they were the first of all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They got to see their babies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, well, so that's good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Although, you know, that's about the only good thing, because Heg Seth has announced that he's going to live stream the execution of the Ford Hood Shooter, who will die by firing squad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's insane and there's enough Republicans who are opposed to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's another thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I said, I said, I'm sure to be sure we went on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you know, you know how you prevent this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because remember, Tom Massey's going to come back from election and make a concerted press to impeach Hegsa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so,
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[SPEAKER_02]: like though the numbers on if he manages to get that in the numbers on impeachment I think would be very interesting because you're going to have a bunch of people who retired and you know people like Don Bacon who hates Pete Hegseth you're going to have people who didn't intend to retire who will be forced into retirement and they'll be ready to scapegoat somebody and then you've got
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, in pitching, there are things that say, well, Democrats are going to prioritize Pete Hexas, and yeah, they are, but, you know, this could move, this could move in the weeks before the needle has on execution, right, and, and it's, you know, the other thing is like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I asked on Blue Sky, I'm like, so how's this going to work?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, how do you prevent him from saying allow him Akbar when he dies, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He prevents him from doing something that turns him into a martyr for Islamic extremists because and then somebody else whose Irish was like, yeah, you know, we don't know anything about that because that I mean the entire foundation of the Irish nation,
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[SPEAKER_02]: comes out of the executions that the British Empire did after the 1916 rising and so and our inner train stations are all named after the people who were executed so it's like I mean you know that like you don't you don't murder somebody right um uh somebody that I'm online friends with
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[SPEAKER_02]: made a point is after Osama bin Laden was executed, they refused to release the photos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason they refused to release the photos is not because there was any shameful in the way that they killed him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was proper according to Muslim terms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But because they knew that they could make it look improper and it would be used for disinformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the same thing is going to be true here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: are for people who do nothing but spread propaganda they're not actually very good at it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, meanwhile, meanwhile,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, a, um, Dominican migrant was shot in the Bronx with his five-year-old in the car.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is actually going to be very interesting because, um, one, they shot somebody with the five-year-old in the car.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: who we don't know, it's DHS, you can't believe a word they say it, but the guy who shot him has been involved in foreknown incidents already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you, like, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wired pulls these together he kind of assaulted a pregnant woman in Minnesota.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a case where the case the criminal case was dismissed because it was bullshit that maybe related.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But just in the last six weeks two judges in in Brooklyn have
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[SPEAKER_02]: Throw now have have ruled on habeas cases for the petitioner, meaning like, you're right, you shouldn't have been detained, and in both of them, the guy who did this his name is Coney, let me look it up, um, the guy who shot, who shot the guy in Bronx, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: He basically fabricated stories badly, and the judges like at some length, I posted two of these on Blue Sky.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this guy's name is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Brendan Cooney, see you and I and the the wired article doesn't link the court filings, but I like I said I linked to them and it has
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, hold on, I'm, I'm distracted, but, but it has, it has explanations of what he did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So um, um, yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the thing is, um, you know, they shot again, like through the windshield seven times this guy who I understand was here illegally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He and was a felon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, great, get up, but you, you could have stopped the car and pulled him out of the car without shooting him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Especially, you know, there's a kid in the car, luckily the kid wasn't hurt, but I'm sure mentally he was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, can you imagine being in the backseat of a car?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be in the back shot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mass, and didn't identify themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just surrounded the car.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They keep fighting his him and trying to get him out of New York because they know they've done wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the whole thing is just disgusting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ice is untrained.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the fact that they were unidentified.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're masked.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Goons, and if they came up to my car, but he was pretending to be a construction guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I just do look at the wired article because it's like, I mean, the wired article doesn't capture the horrible things he's done, but one of the things, I mean, the same is true of Greg Bovina.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Greg Bovina has lied so many times about what happened, like he'll push somebody and then claim assault.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the problems is the way you normally punish somebody for lying all the time, like this guy, Kuni did, and Bovino did is, is by saying that they can no longer be a dance on a filing, which Kuni has twice recently, and Hibis case is, but the leverage only works if somebody is a criminal defendant, and because these people are immigration defendants,
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[SPEAKER_02]: There isn't a way, there isn't a mechanism to prevent that from being prevent these people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, that's, that's neither here nor there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Trump's latest thing is, I guess, bribery.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not so late because not so new.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because he floated it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess as long as a month ago,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if the Republicans win in the mid-terms, I'll pay every adult $5,000.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he has repeated that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, now he's added to that some recipient, some people who get their health care through the Affordable Care Act will get $500 rebates.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand how those work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess it's only for people in red states.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and some of us old people are getting $90.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He gave me nine, he, and I say this because he, his name is on an email that went out yesterday, saying you're going to get $90 million.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's from the Medicare Improvement Fund.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, first of all, what's $90 going to do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Seriously.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to put it up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say that in more and more people are doing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So those of us who got these $90 checks, again, it's not going to pay my Medicare Part B premium.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yes, donated to a candidate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm going to give mine to Elizabeth Lee, who is running
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[SPEAKER_03]: four Congress in my district against, you know, it's not Andy Biggs who's the incumbent now who's running for governor of Arizona and he's going to lose big time to Katie Hobbs the who's in there now, but this seat, it's like an R plus 17 district or something, but the Republican candidate, this guy Mark Lam,
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[SPEAKER_03]: is there's all kinds of, you know, sex allegations against him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He and his wife, they propositioned people to do three songs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's emails and text messages from them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's really kind of gross.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's the former sheriff of Penel County, which is the next county over.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a lot of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: bad stuff out there about him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, Mark Lam, Google him, and you'll see, and oh, yeah, they just bought a ranch in Tennessee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's, it's, um, unknown, whether or not he and his family actually live in Arizona, anymore, or if they live in Tennessee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, Elizabeth Lee, the Democrat is a nurse and she's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If she pulls this off of you are talking about what races, what upsets would be great?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she'd be like the first Democrat in a long time and the first woman to hold that seat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If she wins and there are some polls and have it as a toss-up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is Arizona's fifth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think that there's more and more of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, you know, it's like nobody knows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody knows what's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody knows what kind of chicaneery, but yeah, it's going to be pretty interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, this week gave us the first Monday and October, which means the Supreme or Extreme Court is back in session.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yesterday, Lisa Graves came on this show, and she's a brilliant, illegal expert.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, she traced it back, you know, we were taught we went back to Bush v. Gore, and do you know, Clarence Thomas, three of the current court, three members of this current court, were involved in the Bush v. Gore fight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 25 years ago, 26 years ago, including Clarence Thomas, who should have refused himself because Ginny Thomas his wife was at the time
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, working in a senior position at the Heritage Foundation where she was vetting candidates to work in the poor, I'm sorry, in the Bush administration.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was fascinating the way she traced it back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This court, Amy Coney Barrett, and Brett Kavanaugh, and John Roberts also were had their fingers in the mess back then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, yeah, you know, so, you know, one thing about Republicans is they played the long game, you know, they look at, they play the long game, they plan for the future.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And boy, they've been doing this for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so there's that, the courts back in action.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, officially, they're first, they're first, they're first case that they reviewed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Alito at the last minute finally recused because he had financial interest and it was an attempt to prevent states from holding oil companies accountable for climate change and it sounds like it didn't go well for the company.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so there's that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, what I was going to say is during the break, they were still in action because of the shadow dock at which was used more this year than I think ever before, you know, because Trump keeps bringing things right to the court.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and a lot of those rulings which don't have hearings which often are not signed, but they allow stupid things like states to use some database to purge voters from the voting world and the database, the save database which was not constructed to be used for anything having to do with elections.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Supreme Court said sure you can use that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And pull the problem is it uses immigration data that is not accurate, and especially is not accurate if there are five people in Texas that have the name Jose Rodriguez, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably 20 people in Texas, and they're not very good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That list is not very good at figuring out which Jose Rodriguez is which.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they're pulling U.S. citizens off the list.
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[SPEAKER_02]: non-citizens voting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The majority of those are actually, um, uh, bullshit, green card holders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, one case got this missed in Florida already because they they screwed up in the grand jury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then in a different case in Florida, a guy's like, it's actually this, there is no law.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no federal law.
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[SPEAKER_02]: prohibiting non-citizens from voting, and that's not Congress's job to do because that is reserved for the state.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it wasn't, it wasn't, I mean, in fact, on that case, he got Paul Clemente, who is George Bush's White House councillor or solicitor general.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to be amicus on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So wasn't like screaming lefty opinion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a tell me what is going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in you know tell me like tell me what the law really says tell me what's really legal and not legal because you can prohibit certain kinds of people to vote like every state decides whether felons can vote or not and that's an example where it's a state-by-state basis and that is how the you know the it's
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's how the federalism of the United States works and so they're they're I mean it it's so infuriating they're they're inviting all these people and they're doing it just to have propaganda Stan Woodward is going to Michigan to have an anti-Semi event
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because he's going to tart now, it's going to end up targeting Abdel, of course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas, as I mentioned at the beginning, State Department is infested with Nazis, with actual Nazis, and they're setting policy, and it's like, if you want to do something about anti-Semitism, clean house, it's state.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Take all of the anti-Semites out of there, and send them to, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, send them to seek out or something, but you know, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's said.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A couple of weeks ago, for the last two weeks, you introduced us to Sherry Mecklenberg.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and it has having to do with the, um, the grand jury in the, in the, in the broad view six case.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know you've got a big story at at emptywill.net that you published just today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what's going on with this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So no, so the government is weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So two things are going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That actually, and I just cut up while we were on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That actually is just, there's an OPR investigation of all the lawyers who were involved in the case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so for the two lawyers who presented the case to the Grand jury, Mechland Bergen, this guy Matthew Skiba, their lawyers need to have access to the unredacted Grand jury transcripts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was not a big deal, and for some reason, DOJ decided to seal it, and it's like, no, there's no point of doing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This has all been unsealed already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's sort of just a false alarm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it, you know, because I let me to believe, because there are still some problems with the grand jury transcript.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't match the actual recording.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and uh, but the, but the other thing that happened is there was a hearing last week, and I've sensed read the transcript of it, and uh, Judge Perry is, is she's, she's honing in on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: whether the White House was involved in, so the first time they tried to get an indictment on October 9th of last year, they were no belt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The grand jury was like, no, we're not gonna do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And every other case at the time, Bootress was dropping.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So all of these cases that were charged in the same period that were bullshit for the same reasons the Broadway Six was bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bootress was dropping.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He did drop it here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He got, he got Mecklenberg to go back on the 16th and go back on the 23rd to ultimately get an indictment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Judge Perry was like, back on March, well, it was April.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Back on April 7th when I said that they couldn't get discovery into selective and vindictive prosecution.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You told me there was no communication of any kind about these charging
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[SPEAKER_02]: We know there was communication, so I need to know what those were.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she ordered those up today and basically said because she has the same theory I do, which is after they got no build the first day, somebody at Main DOJ, like a Cush thing, said, you keep trying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This one we want to indict.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't care about those other people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so that's the status of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they've got until the 30th to provide these documents to her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, so that's ongoing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if you can remember back to the January 6th hearings, there was one witness named Cassidy Hutchinson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: who worked for, who did she work for?
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[SPEAKER_03]: She worked, she was, I forgot what I was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She was Martin's mother?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Martin's mother?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Martin's mother?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She was in the West Wing, and was privy to a lot of information.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she testified, well, now the DOJ is going after her, considering a perjury case.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And importantly, it's not, it's not to mean pure going after it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, um, it's harmeet dillin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I say this all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, harmeet dillin is the one who prosecuted is prosecuting this, the city's church case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There were no, at various times in that prosecution, there were no local prosecutors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's two now, but there's sort of, there were brought in to do the case, because no one else wanted to do the case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Army, so this is the Don Lemon case, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Army tries to, well, first of all, after the protest, all of the trolls, people like cat-turn, Jack, so the Ecker screaming in real time about this protest, because they're all racist, and, and, and, so, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you
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[SPEAKER_02]: Army was like, yeah, she does this all the time with trolls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, oh, yeah, I'm on it, I'm on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And over the course of the period where first she goes to the Magistrate judge and says, we want to rest for all of these, he only proves three.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The rest he says there's not probable cause.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then DOJ goes to his superior, his superior says, procedurally, I'm not sure I'm allowed to do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they go to the eighth circuit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the eight circuit versus they go, so then they go, they've tried to get this arrest warrant without going to the grand jury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They go to the grand jury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they made a bunch of claims about Georgia fort.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So another journalist, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They made a bunch of claims about her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They said she was chanting along with protestors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They said she bullied the pet pastor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They said she bullied a van and none of that is true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they've acknowledged that none of that is true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've also acknowledged that she was serving as a journalist there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what they did is they went into a grand jury
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[SPEAKER_02]: they fabricated all of the over acts besides being present that they made against Georgia for all of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's the kind of unethical conduct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the other thing about Hermit, just fucking insane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing about Hermit is in this period, well, she is personally overseeing prosecutors are presenting this case in fabricating at least the case against Georgia for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She platforms a polymarket post for my think, Pesobiac, and then somebody else should put Pesobiac saying, oh, yeah, I've got a bet on whether this will be indicted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then somebody just posting a polymarket bet on whether or not it'd be indicted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she's platforming.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She is aware of her trolls betting on whether or not there would be indictment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she's overseeing presenting this case to the Granger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's insanely an ethical.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She also posted the A.I.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Slap about Neckham and Levy, Armstrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She also lied about what the eight circuit said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she should go to prison for all of that stuff, as far as I'm concerned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when people say, oh, yeah, she's going after Cassidy Hutchinson,
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[SPEAKER_02]: my guess is that it will be similarly bullshit because Hutchinson like the case against Hutchinson is she was told second hand a bunch of stuff and she was very clear that she was told second hand and she corroborated that the people who testified against her were
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[SPEAKER_02]: were panicked when she, like they watched her in real time and said, oh fuck, she just, she just knocked us out, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that they will be, they would be easy to discredit on the stand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To some degree, this is about punishing her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is about enforcing her to, I mean, like go back to the Broadway six case, one of the things that they discussed in last week's hearing is dude is like, yeah, we'll pay,
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[SPEAKER_02]: will pay legal fees, but the legal fees are at a rate that was set years ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's the equivalent of paying minimum wage when you've got, so that's what they're fighting over, but it's insane because this case, like Judge Perry is going to find that this case went four months longer than
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[SPEAKER_02]: misrepresented things to her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the notion that defendants still had to keep paying attorneys for those four extra months because DOJ liked them, I think, you know, you know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: it's also insane so Marcy will have got to ask you so you're in Lithuania this week you just got back at seven thirty this morning right I mean yeah so you're exhausted but you know in Europe I mean or at this conference specifically dealing with disinformation do the people there realize that the majority I think of the American people
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[SPEAKER_03]: are just besides ourselves like know that this government is batched crazy and count way to get them the fuck out of there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, there were a ton of Americans at the conference, and we were all like, uh, you know, um, there wasn't a lot of apology for Trump.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there was actually a guy who was in the audience at the, at the, at the, at the, the US's disinformation was like, you know, there are people within this government who understand the problem with this information.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, yeah, I mean, I just think, I think one of my biggest takeaways from the conference was that, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: The only people who can fix the U.S. disinformation because the power relationships are us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a tremendous amount of opportunity to do that right now because of these people, again, go back and read the,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the article, the work focus group, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you have these people who used to be maggots who are who feel sold out and that is, I think, that is an important
01:03:12.801 --> 01:03:38.460
[SPEAKER_02]: moment where you've got these people who feel sold out and sound like we did 10 years ago that that you have this moment to to reach out to them and and find common ground like on data centers data centers is the common ground and you're going to see like I think we're going to see Democrats especially in house races where they're you know in plus 20 districts who have been running on data centers who will win because they are
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[SPEAKER_02]: appealing to rural voters who wouldn't normally vote for a Democrat, and that may be why if if sheriff brown wins, that's a big part of why he would win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Sherrod Brown has got to win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, again, we keep going back to vote.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we need to do this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's up to us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now it's in our hands.
01:04:02.885 --> 01:04:04.545
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's no excuse not to vote.
01:04:04.705 --> 01:04:12.467
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, when you're out and about, and I talk to people, I always somehow get to the subject of voting.
01:04:12.487 --> 01:04:13.227
[SPEAKER_03]: You're voting, right?
01:04:13.487 --> 01:04:14.547
[SPEAKER_03]: You're registered, right?
01:04:16.027 --> 01:04:19.908
[SPEAKER_03]: And occasionally, I come across the person who says, I don't vote.
01:04:20.688 --> 01:04:23.812
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know what, I got nothing to lose by talking to them.
01:04:24.133 --> 01:04:26.636
[SPEAKER_03]: So you really, you like the way things are going now.
01:04:26.676 --> 01:04:27.517
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to vote.
01:04:28.158 --> 01:04:33.565
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying not to shame anyone, but try to talk some sense into them.
01:04:34.406 --> 01:04:37.430
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, my plan this morning, I started breeding.
01:04:39.092 --> 01:04:41.514
[SPEAKER_02]: Ben, what is his last name?
01:04:41.954 --> 01:04:42.715
[SPEAKER_02]: Wrangler.
01:04:42.755 --> 01:04:42.955
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:04:43.176 --> 01:04:46.959
[SPEAKER_02]: And the first chapter of his book talks about how to talk to people who don't vote.
01:04:47.279 --> 01:04:47.599
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:49.421
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a good book.
01:04:49.561 --> 01:04:50.702
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really listenable.
01:04:50.882 --> 01:04:52.263
[SPEAKER_02]: I know he's such a jolly person.
01:04:52.283 --> 01:04:52.603
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:04:54.105 --> 01:04:54.885
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, pick it up.
01:04:55.286 --> 01:04:59.469
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, he talks about times he's been able to persuade people and times he didn't.
01:05:00.710 --> 01:05:03.212
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he's good, you know what, he's, he's also very funny.
01:05:03.292 --> 01:05:11.999
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe that he produced, um, um, oh, Al Franken's show on a America back in the day.
01:05:12.720 --> 01:05:14.681
[SPEAKER_03]: Ben Wickler has a great sense of humor.
01:05:14.721 --> 01:05:16.743
[SPEAKER_03]: He did his own podcast for a while.
01:05:17.364 --> 01:05:18.925
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, he's very affable.
01:05:18.985 --> 01:05:22.508
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be surprised to see him run for office one of these days.
01:05:23.108 --> 01:05:25.690
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I wouldn't be surprised to see him take on Ron Johnson.
01:05:26.131 --> 01:05:26.591
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well,
01:05:27.872 --> 01:05:28.712
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be great.
01:05:28.872 --> 01:05:41.935
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, and I remember back to Ron Johnson, beating Russ fine gold, which was such a travesty because Russ fine gold was great, and was constant was always so progressive.
01:05:42.175 --> 01:05:43.455
[SPEAKER_03]: So it made no sense.
01:05:43.475 --> 01:05:49.997
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, Ben's book is great because he talked about it got that progressive, but it's also the most evenly split stay and
01:05:50.837 --> 01:05:55.302
[SPEAKER_02]: And as he describes, he's like, look, we did what the United States has to do.
01:05:55.382 --> 01:05:59.846
[SPEAKER_02]: We've done it in Wisconsin, and I will tell you how to do it at the Nationalum.
01:06:00.126 --> 01:06:01.227
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, go read it.
01:06:01.388 --> 01:06:06.653
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if nothing else did something to calm your nerves, speak between now and November.
01:06:07.013 --> 01:06:07.213
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
01:06:07.874 --> 01:06:09.696
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's only a few weeks away.
01:06:09.816 --> 01:06:12.539
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, we're in the home stretch, right?
01:06:12.899 --> 01:06:13.419
[SPEAKER_03]: You got it.
01:06:14.160 --> 01:06:20.107
[SPEAKER_03]: get out and again next week the 17th what day is that I mean it's a Saturday isn't next Saturday.
01:06:20.508 --> 01:06:25.815
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes it's a week from tomorrow is the no kings day please go.
01:06:25.835 --> 01:06:29.900
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this will be the biggest one yet.
01:06:30.750 --> 01:06:35.212
[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't let fear stop you, don't let fear stop you.
01:06:35.692 --> 01:06:37.293
[SPEAKER_03]: I would leave my cell phone at home.
01:06:37.313 --> 01:06:46.497
[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to take pictures, bring a burner phone or an old-fashioned camera or something, because who knows what kind of surveillance they'll have out there.
01:06:47.137 --> 01:06:50.199
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're trying to make protesting illegal.
01:06:50.299 --> 01:06:56.301
[SPEAKER_03]: And Donald Trump has floated the idea of raising the Insurrection Act before the election.
01:07:00.590 --> 01:07:03.832
[SPEAKER_03]: don't let it, so that's my advice.
01:07:03.872 --> 01:07:24.204
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, last week, we were talking about, you know, Jack Smith and his trial or his hearing, where, you know, what's his name, Schmidt, tried to catch him in a gotcha moment because Jack Smith was at a college basketball game in Maryland, not the one that,
01:07:25.164 --> 01:07:38.655
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Schmidt said he was at, uh, I only bring this up because this past weekend was a big concert, Tom Morello's power to the people concert that was also in Maryland and you know who was there?
01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:46.665
[SPEAKER_03]: Jax Smith, Jax Smith, and there are numerous pictures of him smiling.
01:07:47.306 --> 01:07:57.915
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I've ever seen Jax Smith smile before, and on top of that, in this picture, his wearing a Bruce Springsteen, land of hope and dreams, tour, no kings t-shirt.
01:07:59.001 --> 01:08:00.142
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know what?
01:08:00.762 --> 01:08:12.169
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't let the bastards muffle you or make you be silent, get out there and stand up for us, stand up for yourself.
01:08:12.950 --> 01:08:14.450
[SPEAKER_03]: That's my advice.
01:08:14.471 --> 01:08:15.171
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm gonna do.
01:08:15.191 --> 01:08:18.233
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that can't really do that.
01:08:19.914 --> 01:08:21.915
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, anything else?
01:08:22.115 --> 01:08:24.737
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's I know there's tons of stuff but you must be exhausted.
01:08:26.352 --> 01:08:28.394
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I think it's a good time to call it this week.
01:08:28.414 --> 01:08:31.958
[SPEAKER_02]: Just because say, yeah, crazy stuff.
01:08:32.659 --> 01:08:34.781
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so do what you do.
01:08:35.221 --> 01:08:37.844
[SPEAKER_03]: Get involved with an invisible group.
01:08:38.024 --> 01:08:43.770
[SPEAKER_03]: If you can, canvas, whatever you do, make phone calls, wear in the home stretch.
01:08:43.830 --> 01:08:48.074
[SPEAKER_02]: If you've got crazy mag at neighbors and family members who might be,
01:08:48.795 --> 01:08:51.098
[SPEAKER_02]: having cold feet finally do reach out to them.
01:08:51.158 --> 01:08:51.999
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't be judgey.
01:08:52.059 --> 01:08:56.024
[SPEAKER_02]: Just say, you know, here's something we can here's where we can look again.
01:08:56.104 --> 01:09:04.875
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the data center stuff is a place where everyone can make common ground because it really is something that most Americans agree on definitely.
01:09:05.355 --> 01:09:19.466
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Marcie Wheeler, find her at mtwheel.net, go there, read her stories, but also read the comment threads, because you've got some great readers who make some really wonderful points in the comments.
01:09:19.546 --> 01:09:27.032
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the comments are, you know, I always read the comments on your site, not so much others, but definitely an mtwheel.net.
01:09:28.294 --> 01:09:30.515
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so we get a lot from that.
01:09:30.775 --> 01:09:43.162
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, until next week, Marcy Wheeler, and while you're there, maybe, you know, throw some love to empty wheel and the work she does because like me, she's got no paywall.
01:09:43.663 --> 01:09:46.644
[SPEAKER_03]: She does this because she wants everyone to be informed.
01:09:47.184 --> 01:09:51.347
[SPEAKER_03]: And I should say this, being in Lithuania at this conference this week.
01:09:52.417 --> 01:10:05.909
[SPEAKER_02]: Being self-funded gives me a kind of liberty that, you know, these groups that are funded by states or by corporate sponsors.
01:10:06.029 --> 01:10:15.377
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, one of the, one of the discussions that went on in the back, like one of the things I'm obsessed about, but I just don't have the bandwidth to cover right now is when Musk shut down USAID.
01:10:17.599 --> 01:10:29.088
[SPEAKER_02]: a lot of big funders rushed in to fund the like life or death people who needed funding people like journalists who would get assassinated if they didn't get some kind of support immediately.
01:10:29.649 --> 01:10:36.194
[SPEAKER_02]: And those funders, therefore, withdrew funding, moved funding from other NGOs that are less life or death.
01:10:36.815 --> 01:10:42.419
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and there are a number of other things that are similarly leading funding.
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.262
[SPEAKER_02]: So everyone is really in a funding crunch right now.
01:10:46.182 --> 01:10:55.625
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sorry, like that's what they were trying to do with the conference was to create a funding crunch for this thriving conference.
01:10:55.645 --> 01:11:00.867
[SPEAKER_02]: There were 600 people at it and lots of people from governments in Europe.
01:11:01.767 --> 01:11:13.493
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and they were trying to withdraw the funding of it to make it a lot harder to put it on next year to make it a lot harder to find a place to put it next year, um, you know, they're delaying announcing where it's going to be.
01:11:13.593 --> 01:11:15.114
[SPEAKER_02]: There was the other thing that would happen.
01:11:15.254 --> 01:11:16.635
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this was all coming out.
01:11:16.675 --> 01:11:20.977
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Michael Schellenberger, the one of the Twitter guys guys was emailing.
01:11:20.997 --> 01:11:22.517
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, again, funding.
01:11:22.878 --> 01:11:23.038
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:11:23.058 --> 01:11:26.860
[SPEAKER_02]: He was emailing all the Americans that were on the, on the, on the, on the, um,
01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:37.764
[SPEAKER_02]: on the panels that were speaking or that were on panels and I wasn't so, but he wouldn't emailed me anyway because we're old, you know, we haven't old relationship cool.
01:11:37.824 --> 01:11:48.347
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, so he was emailing them and nagging them about whether they had any federal funding and probably an intramating that he was going to go for you to find out whether they have any federal funding.
01:11:48.367 --> 01:11:50.268
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's trying to defund anybody who was there.
01:11:53.169 --> 01:11:55.810
[SPEAKER_03]: The people who are pushing disinformation
01:11:57.148 --> 01:12:11.659
[SPEAKER_02]: The people who are researching disinformation, he's trying to find a way to further cut off their funding base, which he succeeded in, he and his Nazi friends have succeeded in doing the United States, and he's trying to do that on a larger level.
01:12:11.779 --> 01:12:24.529
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's trying to, he and Sarah Rogers, who's evil, are trying to silence everybody who is talking about disinformation, and it's a pure first amendment violation, but they're trying to do it anyway.
01:12:25.029 --> 01:12:30.519
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, so he, I thought he was sort of one of the good guys, he's not.
01:12:31.718 --> 01:12:34.260
[SPEAKER_02]: No, my little Sean Berger is, no, he's a fan of Matt Tape.
01:12:34.360 --> 01:12:34.760
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:35.221
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:12:35.561 --> 01:12:37.442
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's a terrible, terrible, terrible person.
01:12:37.462 --> 01:12:38.023
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, good to know.
01:12:38.183 --> 01:12:49.511
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, oh, okay, I thought I remembered his name and association with breaking a story this in the last year or two, but again, my brain is fried.
01:12:49.571 --> 01:12:54.515
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe I'm thinking of someone else, but store that away.
01:12:54.795 --> 01:12:55.055
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:12:56.036 --> 01:13:06.146
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so do support, you know, the credible sources who you go to for information, and those who, you know, frankly are not behind a paywall.
01:13:07.667 --> 01:13:14.814
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, who do it for the, for the greater good, but also, you know, do it to earn a living.
01:13:15.074 --> 01:13:17.116
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, we earn a living.
01:13:18.057 --> 01:13:22.020
[SPEAKER_03]: based on the generosity of the readers and listeners and viewers and all that.
01:13:22.881 --> 01:13:26.965
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, Marcy Wheeler.net, you'll see a link right there to help her out.
01:13:27.385 --> 01:13:29.206
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, until next week.
01:13:30.047 --> 01:13:30.828
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, have a good week.
01:13:30.848 --> 01:13:31.368
[SPEAKER_03]: Stay safe.
01:13:31.749 --> 01:13:32.249
[SPEAKER_03]: You too.
01:13:32.569 --> 01:13:33.270
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, Marcy.
01:13:33.610 --> 01:13:34.291
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, cool.
01:13:34.591 --> 01:13:35.852
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, see you next week.
01:13:36.072 --> 01:13:36.492
[SPEAKER_03]: Peace out.
01:13:42.057 --> 01:13:42.457
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
01:13:43.358 --> 01:13:44.219
[SPEAKER_03]: Good luck, custom time.
01:13:44.799 --> 01:13:45.240
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
01:13:46.103 --> 01:13:48.878
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, can you get a wardrobe for that pretty place?
01:13:48.939 --> 01:13:52.679
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what that's what I'm telling David look we can we can get
